Driving Pet Peeves

[speedy_gonzales]

People who don’t understand the lane markings and right of way at the roundabout into the Gyle centre.

Going in or out from the centre?
I'm positive I raised the peeve before of drivers using the left hand lane to go right, and it's very prevalent at this roundabout when leaving the Gyle Centre.
Last week I witnessed a relatively minor bump when a car in the left lane went right at the same time a car in the right lane was going straight over.
Madness!

[overdrive]

People who don’t understand the lane markings and right of way at the roundabout into the Gyle centre.

To be fair, coming from South Gyle onto that roundabout, some road markings or signage about the lanes would be useful.

[speedy_gonzales]

To be fair, coming from South Gyle onto that roundabout, some road markings or signage about the lanes would be useful.

I think lane markings were reintroduced this week.
About a year after it was resurfaced 🤭

[HibbyDave]

Drivers who feel the need to “swing out” before turning right or indeed left sometimes….. does my nut in!
Your in a car not a articulated lorry or a bus ffs.

[McD]

Drivers who feel the need to “swing out” before turning right or indeed left sometimes….. does my nut in!
Your in a car not a articulated lorry or a bus ffs.



Usually someone driving a Corsa or a Fiat 500 :rolleyes:

[matty_f]

On the way home this afternoon I was turning right on the roundabout from drum Brae onto the Glasgow road. Some folk think it's ok to straight on from St John's road despite me using the roundabout :confused:

That roundabout is wild for that, it’s like folk forget how they are supposed to drive.

[Since90+2]

Slightly off tangent but some arse has driven in to my car today at some point whilst parked and driven off. Towards the rear of the car the are some obvious scratches and the paintwork chipped in a small area.

Is there a cheap fix for this without having the whole car repainted? The cars only worth about £3,000 so not keen on a big outlay.

[silverhibee]

That roundabout is wild for that, it’s like folk forget how they are supposed to drive.

Worst offenders are bus drivers at the roundabout who just will not stop while heading through it, not Lothian buses but the blue ones.

[w pilton hibby]

Slightly off tangent but some arse has driven in to my car today at some point whilst parked and driven off. Towards the rear of the car the are some obvious scratches and the paintwork chipped in a small area.

Is there a cheap fix for this without having the whole car repainted? The cars only worth about £3,000 so not keen on a big outlay.

Would speak to a company like

https://www.chipsaway.co.uk/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIurCHw7qAggMV1N_tCh2cjwKREAAYAiA AEgKJlvD_BwE

and ask for an estimate to repair the damaged stuff only.

[Scouse Hibee]

Has the law changed where people joining the flow of traffic from a side street no longer have to give way and wait for a safe gap! 😡
The amount of times that people pull out on you, causing you to brake is unbelievable, that and people pulling out from a parking space and doing a U turn across the front of you when there clearly isn’t the time unless you brake for them. Can’t believe the amount of times I have experienced the above manoeuvres over the last couple of days. The general standard of driving on the roads is awful these days.

[Peanut Shaz]

Hm The general standard of driving on the roads is awful these days.

Tailgating really hacks me off. Its everywhere, main roads, side roads, bypass. I could go on and on. I'm by no means a slow driver, but everyone just seems to be in hurry now. It's verging on aggressive driving.

[J-C]

Has the law changed where people joining the flow of traffic from a side street no longer have to give way and wait for a safe gap! 😡
The amount of times that people pull out on you, causing you to brake is unbelievable, that and people pulling out from a parking space and doing a U turn across the front of you when there clearly isn’t the time unless you brake for them. Can’t believe the amount of times I have experienced the above manoeuvres over the last couple of days. The general standard of driving on the roads is awful these days.

Just ***** driver mate, as you may know I drive a taxi for a living and see this BS on a daily basis, driving standards at times are shocking. My big bug bear are cars driving down the centre of a road when there's parked cars either side and these drivers don't know the width of their own vehicle, or how to drive in tight spaces.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Just ***** driver mate, as you may know I drive a taxi for a living and see this BS on a daily basis, driving standards at times are shocking. My big bug bear are cars driving down the centre of a road when there's parked cars either side and these drivers don't know the width of their own vehicle, or how to drive in tight spaces.

That's like the burnshot on the kirkliston stretch. Folk seem content driving in the middle of the road and get visibly pissed off when they have adjust for cars coming the opposite direction

[lapsedhibee]

That's like the burnshot on the kirkliston stretch. Folk seem content driving in the middle of the road and get visibly pissed off when they have adjust for cars coming the opposite direction

That's not too surprising considering the state of the road surface near the verge heading east.

[Wembley67]

That's not too surprising considering the state of the road surface near the verge heading east.

Absolutely agree. The road to Dalmeny is even worse. Most of the time I will drive down the middle of the road but obviously only when safe to do so and certainly wouldn't give it the big one if others drivers are coming!

[nonshinyfinish]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/11/bmw-subaru-and-porsche-drivers-more-likely-to-cause-a-crash-study-finds

Presented without comment.

[Pretty Boy]

Cyclists creeping about in the dark with no lights, hi Viz and so on at this time of year.

Was driving home from work tonight about 4.45 so well into the hours of darkness now. I was turning right onto Craigentinny Avenue from Craigentinny Road. Car coming up the road was a good distance away so I started to turn, next thing I knew there was a cyclist just there. No lights on his bike, no reflectors, no reflective or hi Viz clothing. His bike was grey and he was dressed head to toe in grey and black. Thank god I was turning and had no speed built up at all, I literally could not see him until I was on him. If I'd reacted a split second later I would have hit him.

[Hibrandenburg]

Cyclists creeping about in the dark with no lights, hi Viz and so on at this time of year.

Was driving home from work tonight about 4.45 so well into the hours of darkness now. I was turning right onto Craigentinny Avenue from Craigentinny Road. Car coming up the road was a good distance away so I started to turn, next thing I knew there was a cyclist just there. No lights on his bike, no reflectors, no reflective or hi Viz clothing. His bike was grey and he was dressed head to toe in grey and black. Thank god I was turning and had no speed built up at all, I literally could not see him until I was on him. If I'd reacted a split second later I would have hit him.

Posted similar a few days back. I pass a few schools on my way to work and I can hear some kids before I see them. Dressed like ninjas, no lights and sometimes on the cycle path travelling in the wrong direction. I just don't get how parents can let their kids cycle to school like that when it's pitch black.

[Jim44]

A*****les who don’t understand or care that, on a blind bend, their wheels should be on their side of the road. On a 2 hour journey today, I had to take preventative action 5 times to avoid a collision through inconsiderate (dangerous) driving. On one corner I had to drive on to the verge to prevent an accident. Fortunately, it was a solid, slight incline and I was fortunate to escape unscathed.

[Hibrandenburg]

Folks that turn right (will be left in the UK) off a main road and stop at the corner to glance over their shoulder and check their wing mirror to make sure nothing is coming from behind. Ffs, you've just driven alongside that part of the road, do you think Roadrunner is going to come rattling along the pavement.

[Moulin Yarns]

Folks that turn right (will be left in the UK) off a main road and stop at the corner to glance over their shoulder and check their wing mirror to make sure nothing is coming from behind. Ffs, you've just driven alongside that part of the road, do you think Roadrunner is going to come rattling along the pavement.

Highway code now requires drivers to give way to pedestrians crossing at junctions. Certainly need to be aware of the pedestrians in the vicinity of corners.

[Hibrandenburg]

Highway code now requires drivers to give way to pedestrians crossing at junctions. Certainly need to be aware of the pedestrians in the vicinity of corners.

Obviously, but if you pay attention on your approach to the turn you shouldn't have to stop to check behind you.

[Pretty Boy]

The number of people who seem to be driving about at the moment with headlights on their car not working.

I can understand how you might miss a brake light or whatever (albeit my car is nearly 10 years old and has a dashboard warning if any rear lights go) but surely you must notice if one of your front lights is gone when a significant amount of driving time is in the dark at this time of year?

A new bulb can be got for less than a tenner in Halfords so i don't really get why you'd rather creep around in semi darkness (or worse those people who put on their full beam to compensate).

[Scouse Hibee]

Cars waiting to turn into flow of traffic from side road, the until you reach them is about 800 yards……700……….600…….500…….400……..300………..200………100 then they pull out in front of you. 😡

[overdrive]

Car registration plates being stuck on with double sided tape rather than using some more permanent fitting. We've had this car since January where it was brand new. The reg plate has fell off four times in that year. Dealership not interested.

[LaMotta]

Car registration plates being stuck on with double sided tape rather than using some more permanent fitting. We've had this car since January where it was brand new. The reg plate has fell off four times in that year. Dealership not interested.

I've had my last two cars plates stuck on with double sided tape and they've never fallen off. Looks better than having screws through your reg plate too. Must be quality of the tape or something else? Shouldn't be falling off like that!

[AltheHibby]

Locals to Council: we have a problem with people constantly going the wrong way through the one way streets.

Council: we will send someone to have a look.

Me (nicely) to Council man who parked outside my house: excuse me, but you have just come through a no entry and are facing the wrong way. We have asked for someone to come and look at the signs because this is a problem.

Council man: its me they sent.

Councils don't do irony. But if they did...

[Moulin Yarns]

Locals to Council: we have a problem with people constantly going the wrong way through the one way streets.

Council: we will send someone to have a look.

Me (nicely) to Council man who parked outside my house: excuse me, but you have just come through a no entry and are facing the wrong way. We have asked for someone to come and look at the signs because this is a problem.

Council man: its me they sent.

Councils don't do irony. But if they did...

I would have taken a photo showing the car and no entry sign and sent it to council, and maybe the police.

[grunt]

Having driven back through the city centre after midnight last night, I have two driving pet peeves to report.



People sitting at traffic lights with their foot on the brake. There's a thing called a handbrake which saves you doing that, and which stops you blinding the car sitting behind you at the lights. BMW x5 I'm looking at you here.
Uber / private hire drivers driving with their focus on their satnav. Drifting from lane to lane without any mirror or signal activity. Stopping in the middle of Queen Street at 12:30am when they realise they don't know which way to turn. Getting in the wrong lane at York Place lights entering Greenside roundabout eastbound and then drifting across into my lane without (as above) any mirror or signal action.

[overdrive]

Having driven back through the city centre after midnight last night, I have two driving pet peeves to report.



People sitting at traffic lights with their foot on the brake. There's a thing called a handbrake which saves you doing that, and which stops you blinding the car sitting behind you at the lights. BMW x5 I'm looking at you here.
Uber / private hire drivers driving with their focus on their satnav. Drifting from lane to lane without any mirror or signal activity. Stopping in the middle of Queen Street at 12:30am when they realise they don't know which way to turn. Getting in the wrong lane at York Place lights entering Greenside roundabout eastbound and then drifting across into my lane without (as above) any mirror or signal action.


There seems to be an over reliance on sat navs for private hire drivers and even black cab drivers these days. We got a black cab home from the in-laws recently. Balerno to South Gyle. The driver was following sat nav but he couldn't even follow it properly. Kept missing his turn-offs, slammed on the brakes part way across the junction at the Riccarton Inn when he realised that was where the sat nav was taking him, then the comical going around the wee roundabout that's between Heriot Watt and the Park & Ride multiple times as he couldn't work out from the sat nav whether he should be taking the exit that goes into the P&R or the one that heads to the larger roundabout at the other side of the P&R.

[grunt]

There seems to be an over reliance on sat navs for private hire drivers and even black cab drivers these days.
I used to fly from Edinburgh regularly. Weekly. Usually I'd take the car to the airport but sometimes I knew I'd be flying back after having partaken of the booze. I first realised that the world was ending one morning when I hired a private hire taxi to take me to the airport. Driver used satnav. And we went along roads I hadn't travelled before - or since.

[AltheHibby]

I would have taken a photo showing the car and no entry sign and sent it to council, and maybe the police.

On the grounds that it proves a point nicely, I'll wait until I'm out with the police and playing with their speed gun again before I tell them.

And to be fair to the guy, he accepted that he had proven our point perfectly.

[RyeSloan]

Having driven back through the city centre after midnight last night, I have two driving pet peeves to report.



People sitting at traffic lights with their foot on the brake. There's a thing called a handbrake which saves you doing that, and which stops you blinding the car sitting behind you at the lights. BMW x5 I'm looking at you here.
Uber / private hire drivers driving with their focus on their satnav. Drifting from lane to lane without any mirror or signal activity. Stopping in the middle of Queen Street at 12:30am when they realise they don't know which way to turn. Getting in the wrong lane at York Place lights entering Greenside roundabout eastbound and then drifting across into my lane without (as above) any mirror or signal action.


Amazing the amount of people that don’t understand how their auto stop and HSA works.

I’d assume almost any X5 will have both.

[Alfiembra]

People sitting at traffic lights with their foot on the brake. There's a thing called a handbrake which saves you doing that, and which stops you blinding the car sitting behind you at the lights.


If your car has an electronic handbrake that comes on once you stop it keeps the brake lights on without your foot on the pedal.

[grunt]

If your car has an electronic handbrake that comes on once you stop it keeps the brake lights on without your foot on the pedal.
Not on my car it doesn't. I honestly can't see the point for a car to do that.

[Gatecrasher]

Not on my car it doesn't. I honestly can't see the point for a car to do that.

Mine does keep the lights on but it dims them slightly when I take the my foot off the pedal (VW Golf)

[RyeSloan]

Mine does keep the lights on but it dims them slightly when I take the my foot off the pedal (VW Golf)

Is your car a manual or auto?

[Moulin Yarns]

ICE cars in EV charging bays. I was at Meadowbank on Thursday, 18 EV bays and every car, apart from mine was an ICE car.

[Wilson]

ICE cars in EV charging bays. I was at Meadowbank on Thursday, 18 EV bays and every car, apart from mine was an ICE car.

I had to Google ICE.

Driving pet peeve - driving acronyms that I have to Google...

[Moulin Yarns]

I had to Google ICE.

Driving pet peeve - driving acronyms that I have to Google...

Why use 24 letters when 3 will do. 😁

[Scouse Hibee]

I had to Google ICE.

Driving pet peeve - driving acronyms that I have to Google...

So did I!

[LancashireHibby]

There seems to be an over reliance on sat navs for private hire drivers and even black cab drivers these days. We got a black cab home from the in-laws recently. Balerno to South Gyle. The driver was following sat nav but he couldn't even follow it properly. Kept missing his turn-offs, slammed on the brakes part way across the junction at the Riccarton Inn when he realised that was where the sat nav was taking him, then the comical going around the wee roundabout that's between Heriot Watt and the Park & Ride multiple times as he couldn't work out from the sat nav whether he should be taking the exit that goes into the P&R or the one that heads to the larger roundabout at the other side of the P&R.
Is it not a “dodge the traffic” kind of thing? Although I agree it seems so many drivers these days just don’t have that encyclopaedia-type knowledge of routes and destinations

[Keith_M]

So did I!


I had to Google Danske bank notes....

:wink:

[Scouse Hibee]

I had to Google Danske bank notes....

:wink:

😀

[Green Man]

There seems to be an over reliance on sat navs for private hire drivers and even black cab drivers these days. We got a black cab home from the in-laws recently. Balerno to South Gyle. The driver was following sat nav but he couldn't even follow it properly. Kept missing his turn-offs, slammed on the brakes part way across the junction at the Riccarton Inn when he realised that was where the sat nav was taking him, then the comical going around the wee roundabout that's between Heriot Watt and the Park & Ride multiple times as he couldn't work out from the sat nav whether he should be taking the exit that goes into the P&R or the one that heads to the larger roundabout at the other side of the P&R.

A while back we were getting an Uber home from town and he took us a weird way. My mate questioned it, asked the driver if he knew where he was going and he said he has to follow the route the sat nav gives him.

[Since90+2]

A good few years ago now after a game my and a few mates got a private hire from somewhere in Leith and asked to go to the Royal Mile.

The Glaswegian drivers response was "where is that?", at first we thought he was joking but he was serious and we had to basically tell him what route to take.

[J-C]

A while back we were getting an Uber home from town and he took us a weird way. My mate questioned it, asked the driver if he knew where he was going and he said he has to follow the route the sat nav gives him.

Therein lies your problem, don't get an Uber, get a proper taxi where the driver has sat a topographical test, if he takes you the long way, complain to the cab office. Can't complain about an Uber taking you the long way as he's just a guy in a car following a sat nav, may as well get your mate to pick you up, give him a fiver for petrol and follow his sat nav.

[J-C]

A good few years ago now after a game my and a few mates got a private hire from somewhere in Leith and asked to go to the Royal Mile.

The Glaswegian drivers response was "where is that?", at first we thought he was joking but he was serious and we had to basically tell him what route to take.

Might have been a Glasgow PHC illegally working in Edinburgh, happens a lot.

[Gatecrasher]

Is your car a manual or auto?

I have the DSG (Auto)

[Paulie Walnuts]

A good few years ago now after a game my and a few mates got a private hire from somewhere in Leith and asked to go to the Royal Mile.

The Glaswegian drivers response was "where is that?", at first we thought he was joking but he was serious and we had to basically tell him what route to take.

I got a black cab the other week and the driver asked me at near enough every stage of the journey that you could go two different routes what one he is best taking (for example whether he should have went up Drum Brae and along Queensferry Road or whether he should carry on through Corstorphine). He then didn’t know what street was mine when he got there. He obviously knew the general area but never knew the streets individually.

I personally couldn’t really care less, it’s no skin off my nose to just tell them what way to go etc but it’s not the first time I’ve had black cab journey like that and my street isn’t exactly hidden away, it’s got 100+ properties, is in the city centre and a couple of shops on it.

[Since90+2]

Therein lies your problem, don't get an Uber, get a proper taxi where the driver has sat a topographical test, if he takes you the long way, complain to the cab office. Can't complain about an Uber taking you the long way as he's just a guy in a car following a sat nav, may as well get your mate to pick you up, give him a fiver for petrol and follow his sat nav.

As far as I know the cost of the Uber is set, so a slightly longer journey won't cost more than the pre agreed price, unlike a cab if a driver takes a wrong turn(either intentionally or not).

I've personally never had an issue with Uber.

[Just Alf]

As far as I know the cost of the Uber is set, so a slightly longer journey won't cost more than the pre agreed price, unlike a cab if a driver takes a wrong turn(either intentionally or not).

I've personally never had an issue with Uber.Yeah, fixed price.
I've given up asking drivers to go a slightly different route to drop someone off on the way (even though its shorter etc).

[Since90+2]

Yeah, fixed price.
I've given up asking drivers to go a slightly different route to drop someone off on the way (even though its shorter etc).

As it's a fixed price they have no reason to take a longer route as they'll have less time to pickup other rides.

As I said I've never really had an issue with Uber. I'm my experience you still get the odd black cab driver who will tut a little when you ask to pay by card, a good minority of them still want cash. I wonder why.

[Just Alf]

As it's a fixed price they have no reason to take a longer route as they'll have less time to pickup other rides.

As I said I've never really had an issue with Uber. I'm my experience you still get the odd black cab driver who will tut a little when you ask to pay by card, a good minority of them still want cash. I wonder why. I hear what you're saying but in the case I was thinking of... pick up at usher Hall, preferably a trip along western approach and drop off at diggers, instead he insisted on going up lothian road then along Slateford to same place :-/

[overdrive]

Yeah, fixed price.
I've given up asking drivers to go a slightly different route to drop someone off on the way (even though its shorter etc).

On Uber? You can add drop offs on the app

[patch1875]

Uber always takes the fastest route not the shortest. It monitors traffic so sometimes it can be a bit strange cutting round side streets to avoid traffic lights etc.

Regarding dropping someone else off. You can add multiple stops so you shouldnt expect to taken free of charge as it’s fixed fare and Uber rates are low enough and it can affect getting the next job lined up.

[Just Alf]

On Uber? You can add drop offs on the appHa ha... not while half canned not wearing my glasses and in the back of a moving car :rofl:

[Alfiembra]

F*****g potholes, just burst a tyre and damaged a wheel driving up Murrayburn Drive this evening

[matty_f]

Just driving in Edinburgh in general these days. The amount of times a street is fine to drive down one day but closed the next is unreal. And the traffic - on Monday I was heading home from the Fort, dropping off at The Meadows. The Sat nav took me off the Western Approach to go on to Corstorphine Road at the Roseburn (not sure if that's the street name at that point but you know where I'm talking about). Took over an hour to get from Murrayfield stadium to the Roseburn Bar. I appreciate the M8 had been closed for that horrific accident so it might have been busier than usual, but an hour and a bit for that short distance is mental.

[overdrive]

Top marks to whoever put the temporary road signs out on the Calder Road :rolleyes:

We were going onto the roundabout at Bankhead last night but you couldn't see what was coming as the temp sign had been placed in such a way that it blocked the entire view of the left lane coming from the right.

[silverhibee]

Is there a time limit for sending out bus lane charge notice, was caught on Telford Road at 5.30 on 21/12/2023 and just received notice today, I thought (probably wrong :greengrin) that they had to be sent within 7 days. :aok:

[marinello59]

Is there a time limit for sending out bus lane charge notice, was caught on Telford Road at 5.30 on 21/12/2023 and just received notice today, I thought (probably wrong :greengrin) that they had to be sent within 7 days. :aok:

It’s 28 days. Sorry.

[silverhibee]

It’s 28 days. Sorry.

Oh well, £30 to the council. :rolleyes: :thumbsup:

[Scouse Hibee]

Car insurance, got my renewal quote, nearly £140 more expensive than last year. Phoned up and queried this, ended up getting it with same company for an increase of just £16! Had it set for auto renewal so if I hadn’t bothered querying it I would have lost out.

[Wilson]

Car insurance, got my renewal quote, nearly £140 more expensive than last year. Phoned up and queried this, ended up getting it with same company for an increase of just £16! Had it set for auto renewal so if I hadn’t bothered querying it I would have lost out.

That is what they count on. I got my reminder when I was on holiday. Didn't worry about it at the time. Forgot about it by the time I was home. Autorenewal.

I just left it. I hope it leaves me scope for a reduction next time!

[Scouse Hibee]

Yet again another Glasgow Road ersehole braking suddenly and turning left from the outside lane because they are too daft to use the bus lane when permitted😡

[speedy_gonzales]

Yet again another Glasgow Road ersehole braking suddenly and turning left from the outside lane because they are too daft to use the bus lane when permitted😡

Happens more than it should, heading west it's the David Lloyd entrance, heading east it's "take your pick"!
I'm well aware folk can be easily confused with bus lane timings but what driver thinks it's ok to blindly left hook across a lane without checking nobody is on your inside?¿?

[matty_f]

Driving in the low sun with heavily gritted roads. The sun caused all sorts of problems along with the freezing temperatures in the bypass this morning. Very clear that folk were struggling to clear their windows and that, along with the low sun made visibility an absolute nightmare.

[Hibby Bairn]

Anyone noticed a recent phenomenon where drivers stopping at a light leave at least a full car length space from the car in front of them? Shouldn't bother me but I just find it bizarre.

[EH6 Hibby]

Anyone noticed a recent phenomenon where drivers stopping at a light leave at least a full car length space from the car in front of them? Shouldn't bother me but I just find it bizarre.

It’s the ones that do that then gradually creep forward that annoy me, means everyone behind them has to do the same.

[J-C]

Drivers turning right at lights and stopping all of a sudden because they think the red light for the other traffic is for them, happened today coming out of the Western General, nearly back ended a stupid woman who upon turning right just stopped looking at the red for other traffic.

[speedy_gonzales]

Anyone noticed a recent phenomenon where drivers stopping at a light leave at least a full car length space from the car in front of them? Shouldn't bother me but I just find it bizarre.

I was taught that on an advanced driver course 10+ years ago, think it was called "wheels on road", you should pull up to the car in front as far as you can see their rear wheels on the road. Any closer and it makes it difficult to navigate around that vehicle if, for whatever reason, it can't move off.
I think some driver instructors teach learners a similar approach.

[Rattler]

I was taught that on an advanced driver course 10+ years ago, think it was called "wheels on road", you should pull up to the car in front as far as you can see their rear wheels on the road. Any closer and it makes it difficult to navigate around that vehicle if, for whatever reason, it can't move off.
I think some driver instructors teach learners a similar approach.

And it’s still taught to this day. I’m an advanced driver and have also completed several other courses in instruction on driving. This is how it should be taught properly:

Tyres and tarmac is an option taught by the UK police and it means you should stop far enough behind the vehicle in front so that you can see where their tyres touch the road. The benefits are:

If you are hit from behind by another vehicle there is less chance you will hit the vehicle in front
You can see much more of the road ahead (especially if it’s a large truck you are behind)
There’s less likelihood of the vehicle in front rolling back into your vehicle if you’ve stopped facing uphill
If the vehicle ahead of you breaks down or stalls you can more easily get around them
Pedestrians can more safely walk through the gap between the vehicles
A gap leaves a space which a filtering motorbike or cyclist can use – they’re going to get there quicker than you anyway, so there’s no point in begrudging them the space
As you will brake slightly earlier to stop earlier, it gives you extra leeway if you hit a slippery patch (especially important when you’re on a motorbike)
If a vehicle behind you looks like it’s not going to stop in time, you have a small amount of room to move ahead to give them more room to stop

[overdrive]

Smaller vehicles - Smart cars, motorbikes, moped, etc. that park in a bay space as far into the space as they can go. When two average sized vehicles or bigger are parked either side of them, it looks like the space is empty, only for you to realise as you are about to go into the space.

Twice in the last week, I've gone into the car park at the gym with another car behind me where I think I see a free space, only for the above to be the case and the car that's come in behind me has got the last actual free space in the car park as a result.

[overdrive]

Drivers turning right at lights and stopping all of a sudden because they think the red light for the other traffic is for them, happened today coming out of the Western General, nearly back ended a stupid woman who upon turning right just stopped looking at the red for other traffic.

This is rife at the junction of Corstorphine Tesco, Meadow Place Road and Ladywell Road. Also at the junction of Princes St, North Bridge, Waterloo Place and Leith Street.

[matty_f]

Noticed an increasing number of people who are selective about which red lights apply to them. Really noticeable on roundabouts with lights on them. Folk frequently jump the red light.

[LaMotta]

Roundabouts with only three exits - someone always seems to get confused (guilty on occasion) which can then lead to a lengthy Mexican stand off where nobody is quite sure whose turn it is.

[Gatecrasher]

Smaller vehicles - Smart cars, motorbikes, moped, etc. that park in a bay space as far into the space as they can go. When two average sized vehicles or bigger are parked either side of them, it looks like the space is empty, only for you to realise as you are about to go into the space.

Twice in the last week, I've gone into the car park at the gym with another car behind me where I think I see a free space, only for the above to be the case and the car that's come in behind me has got the last actual free space in the car park as a result.

I get your point but a lot of folk seem to drive monster trucks these days, I would say that more of the issue as they hide the smaller cars.

[Gatecrasher]

Roundabouts with only three exits - someone always seems to get confused (guilty on occasion) which can then lead to a lengthy Mexican stand off where nobody is quite sure whose turn it is.

I that situation I usually just take the initiative and get things moving, being in Livingston we are Scotlands roundabout capital, this happens occasionally.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Electric car drivers that moan about other electric car drivers charging their car.

Local Facebook page is full of people losing their **** about this and losing it a bit more when they get asked why they don't have a charger at home is hilarious. The whataboutery is sublime.

I've not got an electric car and don't particularly want one. The thought of driving a car that is not manual gives me the fear.

[Just Alf]

Electric car drivers that moan about other electric car drivers charging their car.

Local Facebook page is full of people losing their **** about this and losing it a bit more when they get asked why they don't have a charger at home is hilarious. The whataboutery is sublime.

I've not got an electric car and don't particularly want one. The thought of driving a car that is not manual gives me the fear.I can't wait until the day I eventually have an electric car, I'll park at a petrol pump and go get a coffee, go for a pee, wait for my subway etc... just like current petrol car drivers do at the charging points in garages at the mo! :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

I can't wait until the day I eventually have an electric car, I'll park at a petrol pump and go get a coffee, go for a pee, wait for my subway etc... just like current petrol car drivers do at the charging points in garages at the mo! :greengrin

I recently swapped an ICE car for an electric at our Munich branch. I drove down from Berlin to Munich in the ICE car stopping for fuel, food and ablutions which took about an hour. On the way back in the electric car I stopped about a 3rd of the way for the same, it took about an hour. The only real difference was that I was only driving about an average 130kmh on the way back as opposed to about 160 on the way there. I did eventually do a night stop near Leipzig but I would have done that anyway. If planned properly then driving an electric car is not that different from driving an ICE car, it's only really the infrastructure that makes the difference at present.

[Pretty Boy]

People driving about on days like today with no lights on.

No sun, low clouds, heavy rain, spray on the roads all means low visibility. Turn your bloody lights on. I don't buy the 'I have it set to auto' excuse either. Manually override it, you know if your lights are on or not and know better than a machine whether they should be.

[Pretty Boy]

I've had to start driving the bypass 3 days a week due to a relocation at work.

The standard of driving in general at busy periods is just ridiculously bad. People diving into the outside lane without indicating, people who stick on an indicator and think that is a green light to force their way into a space that doesn't exist causing cars behind to have to hit the brakes hard, people coming off slip roads and veering right across into the outside lane and they quite clearly haven't checked if it's safe to do so, people tailgating, people staying in the outside lane until the last second before their junction then diving across 2 lanes to make it and again quite clearly not actually checking it's safe to do so......

I was on the road just before 7 this morning and traffic was just starting to bunch up between Straiton and Lothianburn. The number of people jumping lanes, sitting right on the bumper of the car in front and exiting and reentering on the slip roads was mad. It was no surprise to me when the radio announced there had been a multi car accident at Lothianburn about 5 minutes after I had passed. The way a few people were driving made it inevitable. The worst part is it's often innocent parties who end up paying the price.

[J-C]

I've had to start driving the bypass 3 days a week due to a relocation at work.

The standard of driving in general at busy periods is just ridiculously bad. People diving into the outside lane without indicating, people who stick on an indicator and think that is a green light to force their way into a space that doesn't exist causing cars behind to have to hit the brakes hard, people coming off slip roads and veering right across into the outside lane and they quite clearly haven't checked if it's safe to do so, people tailgating, people staying in the outside lane until the last second before their junction then diving across 2 lanes to make it and again quite clearly not actually checking it's safe to do so......

I was on the road just before 7 this morning and traffic was just starting to bunch up between Straiton and Lothianburn. The number of people jumping lanes, sitting right on the bumper of the car in front and exiting and reentering on the slip roads was mad. It was no surprise to me when the radio announced there had been a multi car accident at Lothianburn about 5 minutes after I had passed. The way a few people were driving made it inevitable. The worst part is it's often innocent parties who end up paying the price.

Welcome to my world of daily crappy drivers, I see this and much more all day long, driving standards are shockingly bad nowadays.

[McD]

I've had to start driving the bypass 3 days a week due to a relocation at work.

The standard of driving in general at busy periods is just ridiculously bad. People diving into the outside lane without indicating, people who stick on an indicator and think that is a green light to force their way into a space that doesn't exist causing cars behind to have to hit the brakes hard, people coming off slip roads and veering right across into the outside lane and they quite clearly haven't checked if it's safe to do so, people tailgating, people staying in the outside lane until the last second before their junction then diving across 2 lanes to make it and again quite clearly not actually checking it's safe to do so......

I was on the road just before 7 this morning and traffic was just starting to bunch up between Straiton and Lothianburn. The number of people jumping lanes, sitting right on the bumper of the car in front and exiting and reentering on the slip roads was mad. It was no surprise to me when the radio announced there had been a multi car accident at Lothianburn about 5 minutes after I had passed. The way a few people were driving made it inevitable. The worst part is it's often innocent parties who end up paying the price.


Before I changed jobs I was round the bypass and back 3-5 times a week, sadly what you’ve experienced is every day, it’s almost surprising that there aren’t more accidents

[speedy_gonzales]

I've had to start driving the bypass 3 days a week due to a relocation at work.

The standard of driving in general at busy periods is just ridiculously bad. People diving into the outside lane without indicating, people who stick on an indicator and think that is a green light to force their way into a space that doesn't exist causing cars behind to have to hit the brakes hard, people coming off slip roads and veering right across into the outside lane and they quite clearly haven't checked if it's safe to do so, people tailgating, people staying in the outside lane until the last second before their junction then diving across 2 lanes to make it and again quite clearly not actually checking it's safe to do so......

I was on the road just before 7 this morning and traffic was just starting to bunch up between Straiton and Lothianburn. The number of people jumping lanes, sitting right on the bumper of the car in front and exiting and reentering on the slip roads was mad. It was no surprise to me when the radio announced there had been a multi car accident at Lothianburn about 5 minutes after I had passed. The way a few people were driving made it inevitable. The worst part is it's often innocent parties who end up paying the price.

As others have said, and in the immortal words of John McClane, "Welcome to the party pal!".

[Paulie Walnuts]

exiting and reentering on the slip roads was mad.

Watched a black cab driver do this and just about cause a pile up the other day on the bypass. No indicators used at any point and the driving was that bad I find it hard to believe a mirror was used at any point either. Oh and the speed limit was of course, not applicable to this particular driver.

[grunt]

Every time I drive back home from Glasgow late at night the M8 is closed.

[Hiber-nation]

Every time I drive back home from Glasgow late at night the M8 is closed.

With no prior warning signs and a dearth of diversion signs. Happened twice coming back from midweek away games.

[hibee_girl]

Traffic in Leith right now is a nightmare with Lindsay Road being closed for the foreseeable.

It wouldn't be so bad if half the roads in Leith weren't already closed.

[overdrive]

With no prior warning signs and a dearth of diversion signs. Happened twice coming back from midweek away games.

My former in-laws used to live in Inverclyde. I was driving back at night myself (no idea why my ex wasn't in the car) and the M8 was closed. Started following the diversion signs and then got to a roundabout. No diversion sign at the roundabout. Got lost and ended up in some right dodgy looking place. This was in the days before internet on your phone and I didn't have sat nav. I couldn't find anywhere with a sign saying M8 or Glasgow. Ended up having to retrace the way I came and stay the night at the in-laws.

[overdrive]

Traffic in Leith right now is a nightmare with Lindsay Road being closed for the foreseeable.

It wouldn't be so bad if half the roads in Leith weren't already closed.

Is that due to the subsidence caused by the trams?

Great time to be announcing the next tram line tomorrow.

[Moulin Yarns]

A85 closed in the centre of Crieff so the road is closed at the perth bypass at tesco, 15 miles away!!!! Traffic backed up past mcdiarmid park.

[hibee_girl]

Is that due to the subsidence caused by the trams?

Great time to be announcing the next tram line tomorrow.

Apparently so.

[Smartie]

Traffic in Leith right now is a nightmare with Lindsay Road being closed for the foreseeable.

It wouldn't be so bad if half the roads in Leith weren't already closed.

This closure lies between my flat and my daughter's primary school.

Walking for most stuff isn't a problem but every now and again you need a carload of stuff and several places to be, so this is going to be hugely inconvenient.

Is that right though that they're thinking that this has been caused by the trams?

[hibee_girl]

This closure lies between my flat and my daughter's primary school.

Walking for most stuff isn't a problem but every now and again you need a carload of stuff and several places to be, so this is going to be hugely inconvenient.

Is that right though that they're thinking that this has been caused by the trams?

That’s what the residents from the building are saying.

[Hiber-nation]

My former in-laws used to live in Inverclyde. I was driving back at night myself (no idea why my ex wasn't in the car) and the M8 was closed. Started following the diversion signs and then got to a roundabout. No diversion sign at the roundabout. Got lost and ended up in some right dodgy looking place. This was in the days before internet on your phone and I didn't have sat nav. I couldn't find anywhere with a sign saying M8 or Glasgow. Ended up having to retrace the way I came and stay the night at the in-laws.

And doesn't help when Google Maps is showing the road as open!

[speedy_gonzales]

That’s what the residents from the building are saying.

A friend used to live above the cafe in the block next to the affected flats. According to her there was investigation in to "movement" years before trams were there and measures were put in place to monitor it.
It was also mentioned that the area to the front of the properties, probably where the road is, is actually a big bank of sand. You'd have to think any recent works would only have exacerbated the situation.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

****ing burnshot ****ing road. Just blew a tyre hitting one of it's many ****ing potholes. *******s!!!! Not sure if the alloy is ****ed!

- thankfully no damage to the alloy

[Since90+2]

The roads around Longstone / Redhall are an absolute disgrace. I've never seen so many potholes in a small area.

[Hibrandenburg]

The roads around Longstone / Redhall are an absolute disgrace. I've never seen so many potholes in a small area.

It's UK wide. I was over in the summer and spent time in Cornwall, Alton Towers and London. The state of the roads was abysmal. It wasn't just the road conditions but also the verges in some areas are so overgrown that you can't see the road signs and many of those you can see you can't read because they're so filthy.

[Since90+2]

Edinburgh council planning to make large parts of the city centre public transport only in 2025. Royal Mile, Lauriston Place, Holyrood Park and both the bridges and the mound amongst others to ban car use.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-roads-through-traffic-to-be-banned-from-key-routes-across-city-centre-4495063

There seems to be a lack of understanding at the council that some people, for a variety of reasons, simply need access to a car. Making the vast majority of the city centre car free is just going to push the issues elsewhere.

As an example, if you own a business or rent/own a home in these areas how are tradesman able to access these places if private vehicles are not allowed?

[McD]

Edinburgh council planning to make large parts of the city centre public transport only in 2025. Royal Mile, Lauriston Place, Holyrood Park and both the bridges and the mound amongst others to ban car use.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-roads-through-traffic-to-be-banned-from-key-routes-across-city-centre-4495063

There seems to be a lack of understanding at the council that some people, for a variety of reasons, simply need access to a car. Making the vast majority of the city centre car free is just going to push the issues elsewhere.

As an example, if you own a business or rent/own a home in these areas how are tradesman able to access these places if private vehicles are not allowed?


Or access these places yourself?

Would drivers with disabilities be allowed to drive to/through these areas?

[Stairway 2 7]

I think it said no through traffic for the roads so you could deliver and park there if disabled

[Gatecrasher]

Car insurance prices are a nightmare at the moment, I have a clean history and drive a Golf GTi and was getting quoted between 5 and 7 hundred pounds. Last yearmy insurance cost 350.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm in Turkey with a hire car at the moment. They drive like they're being chased by Satan himself. It's not helped by mental driving laws like traffic on roundabouts having to give way to traffic coming onto the roundabout. Weirdest of all though has to be pedestrian zebra crossings on the motorways.

[Northernhibee]

Deliveroo/Uber Eats drivers. Heading down the Perth Road last night and the pavements were littered with cars around the takeaways blocking the pavements, cars parked with hazard lights on on double yellows, forcing the two lanes of traffic on a busy road to merge into the middle and crawl past each other, drivers running in between all this across the road to pick up their order or take it to the car.

Downright dangerous.

[hibee_girl]

I’ve mentioned this before but people parking on comers.

It’s so bad round Albion Road/St Clair Street at the minute. How no one has had their car hit yet I’ll never understand.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Another day, another black cab driver swinging out to do a U-turn from a parking space without looking.

Considering how much black drivers like to big themselves up and tell everyone they’re professional drivers, the general standard of driving by them is appalling.

[Northernhibee]

Another day, another black cab driver swinging out to do a U-turn from a parking space without looking.

Considering how much black drivers like to big themselves up and tell everyone they’re professional drivers, the general standard of driving by them is appalling.
Just had one literally inches from my back bumper whilst I was doing the speed limit.

[matty_f]

My daughter is close to sitting her test and so I've been taking her out in the car loads over the last couple of weeks with the L plates on.

The lack of awareness from other drivers, or just sheer stupidity from them is unreal. Tailgating, pulling out in front of her, going onto roundabouts when they should be waiting... It's unreal.

[CropleyWasGod]

My daughter is close to sitting her test and so I've been taking her out in the car loads over the last couple of weeks with the L plates on.

The lack of awareness from other drivers, or just sheer stupidity from them is unreal. Tailgating, pulling out in front of her, going onto roundabouts when they should be waiting... It's unreal.

I've had similar experiences.

My take on it is that learners get to know, quickly, that not all drivers are decent. That's a great tool to have IMO.

[nonshinyfinish]

I've had similar experiences.

My take on it is that learners get to know, quickly, that not all drivers are decent. That's a great tool to have IMO.

Not specific to drivers, but I think there's a place for something like this in the part of the school curriculum where religious education, citizenship etc sits – the stuff that attempts to give kids a grasp of how the world functions and how other people might think and act.

I'd introduce a compulsory 10-week block called Some People Are Just Dicks.

[Pretty Boy]

My daughter is close to sitting her test and so I've been taking her out in the car loads over the last couple of weeks with the L plates on.

The lack of awareness from other drivers, or just sheer stupidity from them is unreal. Tailgating, pulling out in front of her, going onto roundabouts when they should be waiting... It's unreal.

Some people are just ********s around learners.

I was on the A6106 the other day heading towards Sherriffhall. It's a 60 limit starting after a drop to 30 then 40 through and after Newton Village. A learner in front of me was doing just over 50 on the 60 section. I was hanging back to give her plenty space. This tool tailgated me all the way through the 30 and 40 section (with the obligatory slam of the brakes at the speed camera). He then proceeded to fly into the wrong lane to try and pass but he was so close to me he couldn't see a car coming the other way. Got past me, didn't pull in to the sizeable gap between the learner and myself and must have been at well over 80 desperately fighting to get past the learner (who eased off significantly) as a car came the other way flashing lights and clearly braking hard. He got in front of the learner with inches to spare forcing her to slam on the brakes which forced me to brake hard and off he continued on his merry way.

If it wasn't for the fact he would have taken someone else with him and the whole host of other people it would have impacted I wouldn't have shed a single tear if his stupid BMW and the waste of space driving it had been wiped clean out.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Having only passed my test a couple of years ago, I make myself invisible when I see a learner on the road. I know what it’s like to be nervous behind the wheel, the last thing you need is some dick behaving like a dick and unnerving you even more.

My instructor had to near enough physically restrain me from getting out the car to banjo someone who was clapping sarcastically in the vehicle behind me and getting all up in my grill. Hope that wee fanny entertained a lamppost further down the road.

[Smartie]

Yeah, I think there's probably a fair overlap between folk who are dicks to learner drivers, rude to waiting staff and cruel to animals.

There's a particularly warm corner of hell waiting for them.

[danhibees1875]

People who assume an indicator gives them right of way. Yes, you did indicate before you moved out in front of me and I had to break to not crash into you, well done.

Sometimes it's people with the best of intentions trying to make more room for someone joining from a slip road by vearing into my lane, and sometimes they're just trying to overtake as well.

As I write that, I'm not even sure if I'm the one in the wrong and just need to slow down and let it happen...

[overdrive]

Cars that indicate the wrong way. I think I've mentioned this before but I've encountered it lots in Corstorphine since. I'm not sure if it is the same person I'm seeing over and over again or whether its a wider issue in the area.

Indicate left, go right. Indicate right, go left. For example, I was at the junction of the road that takes you into the Lidl/McDonalds car park at Meadow Place Rd, waiting to turn right onto Meadow Place Rd. Car in front was indicating left even though they were positioned to the right and cars were to the left. Several drivers clearly thinking that this car messed up and was trying to get back to turn left. Nope, they turn right. They are again in front of me at the lights in the lane to turn right into Tesco. Initially no indicator on. Lights change and the left indicator goes on. Turns right. Get to the mini roundabout. Indicates right but positioned left and turns left and immediately puts on the left indicator as if to go into the petrol station. Nope drives past and turns right into the car park.

How they ever passed a test, I don't know.

[grunt]

Cars that indicate the wrong way.
Reminds me of this longstanding complaint: people not indicating at lights until the lights go green. Sat behind woman at lights outside Meadowbank Stadium heading East. She's in the right hand lane but no indicators. Lights go green and she then indicates that she wants to turn right towards the park. I'm sorry to say I lost my temper and sounded the horn. She had no idea what she had done wrong.

I think part of the reason from my overreaction was that I'd been sitting there thinking to myself, "I bet she decides to turn right".

[hibee_girl]

Reminds me of this longstanding complaint: people not indicating at lights until the lights go green. Sat behind woman at lights outside Meadowbank Stadium heading East. She's in the right hand lane but no indicators. Lights go green and she then indicates that she wants to turn right towards the park. I'm sorry to say I lost my temper and sounded the horn. She had no idea what she had done wrong.

I think part of the reason from my overreaction was that I'd been sitting there thinking to myself, "I bet she decides to turn right".

This bugs me too.

And it seems to be a more recent thing, people not indicating until they are actually turning not before they intend to turn.

[Just_Jimmy]

This bugs me too.

And it seems to be a more recent thing, people not indicating until they are actually turning not before they intend to turn.Folk that indicate right on the roundabout to exit it...



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[J-C]

Again one already covered, with all the temp light in Edinburgh, many roads are down to single lanes but you still get the knobend who drives all the way up to the roadworks and then indicates to join the rest of us. Always some eejit let's them in, if it was me they'd sit there all day in the wrong lane.

[Just_Jimmy]

Again one already covered, with all the temp light in Edinburgh, many roads are down to single lanes but you still get the knobend who drives all the way up to the roadworks and then indicates to join the rest of us. Always some eejit let's them in, if it was me they'd sit there all day in the wrong lane.Do you mean when it filters? If so they're doing what you're supposed to do. It works like a zip. It's the people who queue for miles in one lane and won't let people in that cause the issues and tailbacks.

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[J-C]

Do you mean when it filters? If so they're doing what you're supposed to do. It works like a zip. It's the people who queue for miles in one lane and won't let people in that cause the issues and tailbacks.

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No, I'm saying when there are road works ahead with no lights but signs telling you the inside lane is closed with only the right to be used, they drive all the way up the inside lane right until the roadworks and then try to push their way into the right hands lane, most normal people see the signs saying 200yds, 100yds etc and move over to the proper lane.

[Just_Jimmy]

No, I'm saying when there are road works ahead with no lights but signs telling you the inside lane is closed with only the right to be used, they drive all the way up the inside lane right until the roadworks and then try to push their way into the right hands lane, most normal people see the signs saying 200yds, 100yds etc and move over to the proper lane.Ah I see. I that case, twats [emoji1787]

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[speedy_gonzales]

No, I'm saying when there are road works ahead with no lights but signs telling you the inside lane is closed with only the right to be used, they drive all the way up the inside lane right until the roadworks and then try to push their way into the right hands lane, most normal people see the signs saying 200yds, 100yds etc and move over to the proper lane.
I think the current advice is all lanes should be used until the merge point, then both/all lanes should zip in turn.
The 400, 200, 100 etc is to assist in timing the zip in turn.

[J-C]

I think the current advice is all lanes should be used until the merge point, then both/all lanes should zip in turn.
The 400, 200, 100 etc is to assist in timing the zip in turn.

No problem with that, it's the ones that drive all the way up to where the roadworks are and then try to force there way in instead of merging gradually like most folk.

[Hibrandenburg]

No, I'm saying when there are road works ahead with no lights but signs telling you the inside lane is closed with only the right to be used, they drive all the way up the inside lane right until the roadworks and then try to push their way into the right hands lane, most normal people see the signs saying 200yds, 100yds etc and move over to the proper lane.

I always get caught out with this when I'm in the UK, in Germany it's expected that you merge at the point where a lane closes and although the rules are the same in the UK, people don't seem to understand the advantages of using the "zipper" system. It's people who merge too early that cause the queue in the open lane to get longer.

[Pretty Boy]

I always get caught out with this when I'm in the UK, in Germany it's expected that you merge at the point where a lane closes and although the rules are the same in the UK, people don't seem to understand the advantages of using the "zipper" system. It's people who merge too early that cause the queue in the open lane to get longer.

I always find you get similar on motorway slip roads. People not realising you can use the whole length of the slip road and can get up to the speed of the traffic already on the carriageway. Instead they slow right down as soon as the entry area begins and try to find gaps in high speed traffic causing a big tailback up the slip road.

[Jim44]

Not really a gripe but rather a comment. I’ve recently been driving a fair bit on the M74 and the M9 and nearly every overhead sign is saying ‘red cross is mandatory’ or ‘comply with red cross restrictions’. I understand what the warnings mean but there are/were no red cross signs above any lanes for miles and it seems like a long, protracted campaign and not particularly relevant, given the almost non existence or rarity of lane closures.

[matty_f]

Not really a gripe but rather a comment. I’ve recently been driving a fair bit on the M74 and the M9 and nearly every overhead sign is saying ‘red cross is mandatory’ or ‘comply with red cross restrictions’. I understand what the warnings mean but there are/were no red cross signs above any lanes for miles and it seems like a long, protracted campaign and not particularly relevant, given the almost non existence or rarity of lane closures.

They went up after multiple attempts to test the measures to use the Forth Bridge if and when the Queensferry Crossing was unavailable. The tests failed because so many motorists ignored the red X in the sign.

You see it all the time, they do often have lanes closed using the red x on that road approaching the bridge, and folk routinely ignore it.

[Hibrandenburg]

They went up after multiple attempts to test the measures to use the Forth Bridge if and when the Queensferry Crossing was unavailable. The tests failed because so many motorists ignored the red X in the sign.

You see it all the time, they do often have lanes closed using the red x on that road approaching the bridge, and folk routinely ignore it.

Is driving through a red cross the equivalent of running a red light? It is here in Germany.

[Just_Jimmy]

Is driving through a red cross the equivalent of running a red light? It is here in Germany.Yes.

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[KeithTheHibby]

Again one already covered, with all the temp light in Edinburgh, many roads are down to single lanes but you still get the knobend who drives all the way up to the roadworks and then indicates to join the rest of us. Always some eejit let's them in, if it was me they'd sit there all day in the wrong lane.

I’m not really sure that’s a problem. You could argue those that cut in at 800 yards are cutting in to early.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yes.

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[Hibrandenburg]

I’m not really sure that’s a problem. You could argue those that cut in at 800 yards are cutting in to early.

And causing the queues in the unblocked lane to get longer. If everyone merged at the obstruction then it would be a simple one for one transition.

[J-C]

I’m not really sure that’s a problem. You could argue those that cut in at 800 yards are cutting in to early.

If cars gradually move in as they should, traffic isn't affected but if they leave it till last minute, the car has to almost stop top let them in because they're coming from a standstill position. It's the same at say the underpass heading to the airport or any other merging lane.

[Hibrandenburg]

If cars gradually move in as they should, traffic isn't affected but if they leave it till last minute, the car has to almost stop top let them in because they're coming from a standstill position. It's the same at say the underpass heading to the airport or any other merging lane.

Not in heavy traffic. As soon as cars start queuing then the best way to merge is a simple one for one at the point where the obstruction is. All cars will at some point have to move to the lane that isn't blocked, if they do that early then all that does is cause an even longer queue in the free lane and block the lane where the obstruction is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not in heavy traffic. As soon as cars start queuing then the best way to merge is a simple one for one at the point where the obstruction is. All cars will at some point have to move to the lane that isn't blocked, if they do that early then all that does is cause an even longer queue in the free lane and block the lane where the obstruction is.

:agree:

[grunt]

Not in heavy traffic. As soon as cars start queuing then the best way to merge is a simple one for one at the point where the obstruction is. All cars will at some point have to move to the lane that isn't blocked, if they do that early then all that does is cause an even longer queue in the free lane and block the lane where the obstruction is.
What difference does it make at which point the cars merge into a single lane? If everyone does it as soon as the obstruction is seen, how does that make any difference to merging at the place of the obstruction? Surely what makes the queue longer is those who don't merge as soon as the problem is identified but who zoom up the free lane in order to beat the queue? I remain to be convinced by the argument that the place the merging occurs makes a difference to the length of time to get through the obstruction.

[CropleyWasGod]

What difference does it make at which point the cars merge into a single lane? If everyone does it as soon as the obstruction is seen, how does that make any difference to merging at the place of the obstruction? Surely what makes the queue longer is those who don't merge as soon as the problem is identified but who zoom up the free lane in order to beat the queue? I remain to be convinced by the argument that the place the merging occurs makes a difference to the length of time to get through the obstruction.

I think the issue is the potential congestion further back. The longer the single line (ie with no merging), the more likely it is to cause congestion in other (unrelated) roads, eg roads crossing that line, roundabouts. By having 2 lanes of congestion nearer the obstruction, those unrelated issues further back can be avoided.

[Scouse Hibee]

Not in heavy traffic. As soon as cars start queuing then the best way to merge is a simple one for one at the point where the obstruction is. All cars will at some point have to move to the lane that isn't blocked, if they do that early then all that does is cause an even longer queue in the free lane and block the lane where the obstruction is.

Spot on, allowing me to drive right down the free lane, past all the idiots in the queue and merge at the point of obstruction to the obvious annoyance of others. 😀

[Keith_M]

I always get caught out with this when I'm in the UK, in Germany it's expected that you merge at the point where a lane closes and although the rules are the same in the UK, people don't seem to understand the advantages of using the "zipper" system. It's people who merge too early that cause the queue in the open lane to get longer.


Do you ever have trouble with getting let in to the lane, or are they OK around your way?

My experience in Bavaria was that you almost had to force your way into another lane, as they just wouldn't budge. Maybe that's just Bavarians...


Actually, they were even worse in and around Vienna. I still get shivers thinking about driving round there. :rolleyes:

[Hibrandenburg]

Do you ever have trouble with getting let in to the lane, or are they OK around your way?

My experience in Bavaria was that you almost had to force your way into another lane, as they just wouldn't budge. Maybe that's just Bavarians...


Actually, they were even worse in and around Vienna. I still get shivers thinking about driving round there. :rolleyes:

I think the only trouble I've witnessed is people trying to change too early not being let in. That said there are still regional differences, in the former East they used to react similarly to the UK but the zipper merge message is obviously getting across because it's very rare you'll see people not adhering to it now.

Austrians are just weird anyway, like snobby Germans. :wink:

[RyeSloan]

What difference does it make at which point the cars merge into a single lane? If everyone does it as soon as the obstruction is seen, how does that make any difference to merging at the place of the obstruction? Surely what makes the queue longer is those who don't merge as soon as the problem is identified but who zoom up the free lane in order to beat the queue? I remain to be convinced by the argument that the place the merging occurs makes a difference to the length of time to get through the obstruction.

It’s physics or dynamics or something….

I get your point as intuitively it’s the same amount of cars doing the same thing but the reality seems to be that zipper merging at point of obstruction is a better and faster way. Some research has suggested it’s up to 40% more efficient. Or so Google says anyway [emoji12]

[Keith_M]

I think the only trouble I've witnessed is people trying to change too early not being let in. That said there are still regional differences, in the former East they used to react similarly to the UK but the zipper merge message is obviously getting across because it's very rare you'll see people not adhering to it now.

Cheers :aok:



,,,
Austrians are just weird anyway, like snobby Germans. :wink:

Very true.

:greengrin

[Just_Jimmy]

ThanksWelcome [emoji2]

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[Hibrandenburg]

What difference does it make at which point the cars merge into a single lane? If everyone does it as soon as the obstruction is seen, how does that make any difference to merging at the place of the obstruction? Surely what makes the queue longer is those who don't merge as soon as the problem is identified but who zoom up the free lane in order to beat the queue? I remain to be convinced by the argument that the place the merging occurs makes a difference to the length of time to get through the obstruction.

The problem is that if it's not defined when or where to merge, then everyone has a different opinion as to where the merge should happen.

[Gatecrasher]

After the game today I went a different way home. I headed down Pilrig St then Newhaven Rd before Ferry Rd.

The road is so tight there there is no room for buses. The whole street needed to come to a standstill and squeeze to the left so the buses could get through, I have no idea what happenens if buses meet heading in opposite directions. For some reason they allow parking on both sides of the road, if the banned parking on one side there would be enough room for everyone.

[Keith_M]

After the game today I went a different way home. I headed down Pilrig St then Newhaven Rd before Ferry Rd.

The road is so tight there there is no room for buses. The whole street needed to come to a standstill and squeeze to the left so the buses could get through, I have no idea what happenens if buses meet heading in opposite directions. For some reason they allow parking on both sides of the road, if the banned parking on one side there would be enough room for everyone.


Ferry Road is a often a nightmare route for heading to the game. My wife drove me through a couple of times on that route, as she was going to the Botanic Garden, and there were just so many blockages/hold-ups.

[LaMotta]

Selfish parkers.

Specifically in areas like where my permit is in Zone 5 and there is a stretch of space boxed off for permit holders ( or paying public). There is room for 8 cars if the full length of the boxed area is used, however I am now constantly seeing cars leaving half a cars length at either end of the boxed area - meaning you are sometimes down to only 5 or 6 cars being able to park there. Presumably they are too cautious in getting the car to the edge of the box and then too lazy once they get out and see their error to actually just get back in the car and move it a couple of yards forward/back. Or maybe they are just oblivious.

It's almost always very small cars too. Minis, Micra's, Twingos etc etc. Not sure why.

[Peanut Shaz]

Cyclists who don’t use the cycle path through Holyrood Park, particularly heading uphill. I was stuck behind one tonight and could not safely overtake as there was a constant stream of traffic heading downhill, resulting in a fairly long tailback. To make matters worse they had no lights on whatsoever, not even a rear reflector. It was just as well they were at least wearing a hi vis jacket. More of a reason to be on the cycle path.

[One Day Soon]

Cyclists who don’t use the cycle path through Holyrood Park, particularly heading uphill. I was stuck behind one tonight and could not safely overtake as there was a constant stream of traffic heading downhill, resulting in a fairly long tailback. To make matters worse they had no lights on whatsoever, not even a rear reflector. It was just as well they were at least wearing a hi vis jacket. More of a reason to be on the cycle path.

You had me at cyclists.

[Onceinawhile]

People who will queue 4 deep at the petrol station, causing a queue out the forecourt, when there are empty pumps available, but they are kn the wrong side.

It's a long hose, just use any pump!!

Saves me time though.

[Scouse Hibee]

People who will queue 4 deep at the petrol station, causing a queue out the forecourt, when there are empty pumps available, but they are kn the wrong side.

It's a long hose, just use any pump!!

Saves me time though.

I have posted about that before on this thread, drives me nuts especially when they end up actually blocking the entrance to the the petrol station.

[J-C]

People who will queue 4 deep at the petrol station, causing a queue out the forecourt, when there are empty pumps available, but they are kn the wrong side.

It's a long hose, just use any pump!!

Saves me time though.

Does my head in. lazy eejits.

[Jim44]

I don’t know if I’m imagining it, but the number of faulty traffic lights, (usually stuck on red) both temporary and permanent, seems to be on the increase. Very annoying but, more importantly, very dangerous, especially when the stretch of road includes bends and frustrated drivers decide to go against red.

[lapsedhibee]

People who switch their engines on and sit for 10 minutes polluting the immediate environment before they drive off. In normal weather, so it's not a de-frosting windscreen issue. Is it just some sort of hangover from the days when people started their horseless transport with a crank handle, and the engine had to warm up, or is there some proper rationale? :dunno:

[McD]

People who switch their engines on and sit for 10 minutes polluting the immediate environment before they drive off. In normal weather, so it's not a de-frosting windscreen issue. Is it just some sort of hangover from the days when people started their horseless transport with a crank handle, and the engine had to warm up, or is there some proper rationale? :dunno:



One of our neighbours does this, sits in the car with the engine running for 5-10 minutes every time, then does the same when she gets back, sits in the car with the engine running for several minutes

[overdrive]

I don’t know if I’m imagining it, but the number of faulty traffic lights, (usually stuck on red) both temporary and permanent, seems to be on the increase. Very annoying but, more importantly, very dangerous, especially when the stretch of road includes bends and frustrated drivers decide to go against red.

Yep, I've noticed this too. A couple of months ago, I was the first car at a light stuck on red. The pressure was added as the car directly behind me was a police car.

[Jim44]

Yep, I've noticed this too. A couple of months ago, I was the first car at a light stuck on red. The pressure was added as the car directly behind me was a police car.

Very tricky. I think I might have turned my engine off, walked back to the police vehicle and asked for their advice. :greengrin

[grunt]

Very tricky. I think I might have turned my engine off, walked back to the police vehicle and asked for their advice. :greengrin
Indeed. Or wait for them to do something.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Folk turning right into a junction and cutting across the car approaching the junction. Of course you're a ****** for nearly causing an accident

[J-C]

Drivers who drive 10 car lengths behind the car in front in heavy traffic at 15MPH and then we miss the traffic lights due to this.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Having to pay for parking at Leith links!! When the **** did that start?!? £8.5 for 2.5 hrs!!

[overdrive]

Cars on South Gyle Access not realising it is a 40mph and going sub 20mph, cutting into the right hand lane quite early, continuing to go at 20mph only to go straight on at the roundabout thinking that they can’t be in the left lane to go straight ahead

[speedy_gonzales]

Cars on South Gyle Access not realising it is a 40mph and going sub 20mph, cutting into the right hand lane quite early, continuing to go at 20mph only to go straight on at the roundabout thinking that they can’t be in the left lane to go straight ahead

I "know" it's a 40 there but the sat-nav in my car which gets live updates thinks it's a 30.
Unsure how the GPS companies get their data but it isn't being thoroughly checked.

[Alfiembra]

That horrible sensation when you are stationary at traffic lights and the car beside you creeps forward and you think you are rolling backwards and jamb on the brake pedal in a panic.

[lapsedhibee]

That horrible sensation when you are stationary at traffic lights and the car beside you creeps forward and you think you are rolling backwards and jamb on the brake pedal in a panic.
:greengrin

[LaMotta]

Drivers who drive 10 car lengths behind the car in front in heavy traffic at 15MPH and then we miss the traffic lights due to this.

Similarly, drivers in front of you who dilly-dally at long queued, short window of opportunity for green traffic lights - meaning you don't get through. Worst spots for this are turning right from Glasgow Road at the Shell Garage on to the Maybury Road, or turning left at the West End from Drumsheugh Gardens to Lyndenoch Place. :grr:

[AltheHibby]

I "know" it's a 40 there but the sat-nav in my car which gets live updates thinks it's a 30.
Unsure how the GPS companies get their data but it isn't being thoroughly checked.

Try driving in Wales right now with that appaling blanket 20 and satnav thinking it's still 30.

[overdrive]

Similarly, drivers in front of you who dilly-dally at long queued, short window of opportunity for green traffic lights - meaning you don't get through. Worst spots for this are turning right from Glasgow Road at the Shell Garage on to the Maybury Road, or turning left at the West End from Drumsheugh Gardens to Lyndenoch Place. :grr:

The T-junction just before Bankhead tram stop, turning right onto S Gyle Access is also bad for this. If there's more than three cars per lane (two right turn lanes exist) there when approaching, I resign myself to having to wait until the second shot at the green.

[matty_f]

Similarly, drivers in front of you who dilly-dally at long queued, short window of opportunity for green traffic lights - meaning you don't get through. Worst spots for this are turning right from Glasgow Road at the Shell Garage on to the Maybury Road, or turning left at the West End from Drumsheugh Gardens to Lyndenoch Place. :grr:

The one at Glasgow Road is a nightmare for that. Lost count of the amount of times when someone's fancying about has held folk up from getting through on the green light.

[Pretty Boy]

Not sure if this is a driving pet peeve or just a peeve but roadworks in which the work is just a total misnomer because no one actually does any for weeks on end.

I returned from holiday last week to find the road leading up to my estate partially dug up (Newcraighall Road). It badly needs resurfaced so I was quite hopeful it might be that and it would be well worth any inconvenience. There are some gas signs though so I don't think it is. Anyway this was last Monday, I asked my neighbour how long it had been up for and he said the Monday before so as of today that is over 2 weeks. In that time I haven't seen a single worker anywhere near it except for a brief 2 hour period on Sunday afternoon. It's a nightmare of a road at the best of times, particularly on a Saturday afternoon with people heading to Fort Kinnaird, and it's even worse now half the road is dug up and fenced off.

Why does stuff like that happen? Surely a road can be dug up the day a job is due to be carried out or even a day or 2 before? What is the point or reason why a road would be dug up, left for 2 weeks plus with no work being carried out and then the job inevitably takes a day or 2 when they get round to doing it?

[J-C]

After finally finishing the Meadowbank/Abbeyhill road and lights with traffic becoming slightly more normal, today as the school go back with more traffic on the road they decide to erect a new lamp post at the junction at the retail park. Needless to say carnage ensues as we now have a lane closed again, only this friggin council.😡

[He's here!]

After finally finishing the Meadowbank/Abbeyhill road and lights with traffic becoming slightly more normal, today as the school go back with more traffic on the road they decide to erect a new lamp post at the junction at the retail park. Needless to say carnage ensues as we now have a lane closed again, only this friggin council.😡

On the subject of Meadowbank (the sports venue) why did they make the car park so small and badly designed? I get that we're all being encouraged to ditch the car but with sport there's often equipment to cart around that doesn't lend itself to public transport. There are acres of derelict land around the car park so plenty room for expansion - or has that been reserved for new property construction?

[He's here!]

Jeez, just as I was typing that last post I heard that a guy has been charged today over the alleged stabbing of a traffic warden in Gorgie.

You're never happy to see them but if that's a nut job reaction to getting a ticket it's appalling.

[HibbyDave]

Pet peeves????

POT HOLES

[Alfiembra]

Pet peeves????

POT HOLES

+1 hit a pot hole on the 6th December, reported through Clarence and filed a claim against the roads department for burst tyre and damaged wheel. Got an email back saying it was being investigated and would give their decision on whether they accept or reject my claim within 18 weeks. Still waiting to hear.

[matty_f]

Not sure if this is a driving pet peeve or just a normal peeve. At Tesco earlier and a big Mercedes SUV pulls into the drop off bay at the front of the store. Guy gets out with his teenage daughter grabs a trolley and goes inside to do their shopping.

Just park your car in the car park you selfish prick.

[Pretty Boy]

Not sure if this is a driving pet peeve or just a normal peeve. At Tesco earlier and a big Mercedes SUV pulls into the drop off bay at the front of the store. Guy gets out with his teenage daughter grabs a trolley and goes inside to do their shopping.

Just park your car in the car park you selfish prick.

There is a special corner of hell reserved for people who do this or park in disabled or parent & child places when they have no right to do so. The height of both ignorance and selfishness.

You just know they are those same pricks who just leave their trolley at their space as well rather than walking it 10 yards to one of the shelters. I actually think that is the most definitive way to judge if someone is a decent person or not; there's no legal responsibility or obligation to return your trolley, it's entirely down to your own conscience.

[McD]

Not sure if this is a driving pet peeve or just a normal peeve. At Tesco earlier and a big Mercedes SUV pulls into the drop off bay at the front of the store. Guy gets out with his teenage daughter grabs a trolley and goes inside to do their shopping.

Just park your car in the car park you selfish prick.


There is a special corner of hell reserved for people who do this or park in disabled or parent & child places when they have no right to do so. The height of both ignorance and selfishness.

You just know they are those same pricks who just leave their trolley at their space as well rather than walking it 10 yards to one of the shelters. I actually think that is the most definitive way to judge if someone is a decent person or not; there's no legal responsibility or obligation to return your trolley, it's entirely down to your own conscience.


Couldn’t agree more with both of you

[staunchhibby]

Asda livingston is notorious for cars not parking in vacant spaces.Some drivers think yellow lines there think its for parking

[McD]

Asda livingston is notorious for cars not parking in vacant spaces.Some drivers think yellow lines there think its for parking

I was actually going to put something along those lines in my post, and also include the big Morrisons and Sainsbury’s as well. constantly vehicles in their drop off zones because of lazy gits

[He's here!]

Not sure if this is a driving pet peeve or just a normal peeve. At Tesco earlier and a big Mercedes SUV pulls into the drop off bay at the front of the store. Guy gets out with his teenage daughter grabs a trolley and goes inside to do their shopping.

Just park your car in the car park you selfish prick.

It's moments like these where taking matters into your own hands would be gratifying (eg letting the tyres down) but getting caught on CCTV would be an issue.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Pelatons. Burnshot road was riddled with them on Sunday. Not a problem if smaller groups but there was 20 in one group riding in fours. Very few places on the road give you enough room to overtake with that much room

[Jones28]

It's moments like these where taking matters into your own hands would be gratifying (eg letting the tyres down) but getting caught on CCTV would be an issue.

If you were caught on CCTV letting the air out of tyres what would you be charged with? Vandalism?

[O'Rourke3]

Pelatons. Burnshot road was riddled with them on Sunday. Not a problem if smaller groups but there was 20 in one group riding in fours. Very few places on the road give you enough room to overtake with that much roomPeletons on country park paths demanding you get out the way. What's worse is they tear up the path too.

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[silverhibee]

Surprised they have put a ( Not in use) cover over the speed camera opposite the zoo, been a few bad accidents on that road in the last few months.

[HibbyDave]

Did I mention POT HOLES?????

[overdrive]

Surprised they have put a ( Not in use) cover over the speed camera opposite the zoo, been a few bad accidents on that road in the last few months.

Why are loads of speed cameras covered up at the moment and have been for years? I wondered if it was to do with the 20 zones being introduced and them being incapable of coping with a speed limit change.

[patch1875]

They said they were not using the fixed cameras anymore due to change in driving habits. So reality is you can’t speed anymore due to congestion and they can’t afford to maintain and run them.

[Since90+2]

Why are loads of speed cameras covered up at the moment and have been for years? I wondered if it was to do with the 20 zones being introduced and them being incapable of coping with a speed limit change.

Iirc did the Police not say they wouldn't be actively enforcing the 20mph limit?

Of course it someone is blasting along at 45 and a Police car sees that they'd pull them but I think they tend to turn a blind eye up to 30ish.

[RyeSloan]

Car manufacturers who seem to think that tiny indicators are sensible.

Was behind a new Mokka today and wondered what the hell the driver was doing just braking right in front of me. The indicator must be about the size of my thumb and is right next to the brake light.

Would have helped if the driver didn’t indicate and brake at the same time but none the less it was almost impossible to see the tiny indicator blinking right next to the bright red brake light.

Seems crazy that whatever legal minimums there are governing this stuff isn’t stronger to make sure the dafties designing the rear light clusters don’t put form over function to such a degree!

[Just Alf]

Car manufacturers who seem to think that tiny indicators are sensible.

Was behind a new Mokka today and wondered what the hell the driver was doing just braking right in front of me. The indicator must be about the size of my thumb and is right next to the brake light.

Would have helped if the driver didn’t indicate and brake at the same time but none the less it was almost impossible to see the tiny indicator blinking right next to the bright red brake light.

Seems crazy that whatever legal minimums there are governing this stuff isn’t stronger to make sure the dafties designing the rear light clusters don’t put form over function to such a degree!Reading this as avoiding other threads at mo!

Totally agree, I've noticed a fair few cars with the indicator right beside the led headlight so basically invisible when the headlight is on :-(

[lapsedhibee]

Car manufacturers who seem to think that tiny indicators are sensible.

Was behind a new Mokka today and wondered what the hell the driver was doing just braking right in front of me. The indicator must be about the size of my thumb and is right next to the brake light.

Would have helped if the driver didn’t indicate and brake at the same time but none the less it was almost impossible to see the tiny indicator blinking right next to the bright red brake light.

Seems crazy that whatever legal minimums there are governing this stuff isn’t stronger to make sure the dafties designing the rear light clusters don’t put form over function to such a degree!

:agree:

[matty_f]

Folk that just blatantly ignore basic rules of the road, like deciding they're bored waiting at a red light and just going anyway (happened the other night at the lights at Maybury Casino). In the last week I've seen folk ignore the red X on more than one gantry, ignore a road closed sign, turn right at a no right turn (there's a wee retail park at the Tesco near me, you can't come out of Tesco and turn right into it, you need to go ten years further, go round the roundabout and then turn left into it. They've had to put an island in the road to stop folk ignoring the no right turn, as well as change the entrance to the retail unit so that it's clear that you need to come in from the left, yet still there was someone who couldn't be arsed to go drive an extra twenty seconds, if that, and instead sat holding up the traffic building up behind her as she waited for a gap to turn right.

[J-C]

Just driving behind a Mokka with these stupid wee indicators, jeez nearly went into the back of them as I never seen it.

[O'Rourke3]

Folk that just blatantly ignore basic rules of the road, like deciding they're bored waiting at a red light and just going anyway (happened the other night at the lights at Maybury Casino). In the last week I've seen folk ignore the red X on more than one gantry, ignore a road closed sign, turn right at a no right turn (there's a wee retail park at the Tesco near me, you can't come out of Tesco and turn right into it, you need to go ten years further, go round the roundabout and then turn left into it. They've had to put an island in the road to stop folk ignoring the no right turn, as well as change the entrance to the retail unit so that it's clear that you need to come in from the left, yet still there was someone who couldn't be arsed to go drive an extra twenty seconds, if that, and instead sat holding up the traffic building up behind her as she waited for a gap to turn right.I'll admit to ignoring red lights on roundabouts when it's safe to do so at night. These worked fine for years without lights and while they became necessary to improve traffic flow in many situations, the lights really only needed at rush hour. To be fair, at rush hour many people still ignore the lights and go though blocking exits and lanes for others to drive on to. These people really piss me off.....

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[matty_f]

I'll admit to ignoring red lights on roundabouts when it's safe to do so at night. These worked fine for years without lights and while they became necessary to improve traffic flow in many situations, the lights really only needed at rush hour. To be fair, at rush hour many people still ignore the lights and go though blocking exits and lanes for others to drive on to. These people really piss me off.....

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I had this discussion with my wife when the guy did it at Maybury - it was late and if you knew the junction, probably safe enough to do it.

Who decides, though? Is it just the roundabout where you can exercise discretion and only at night, and what time does it become ok?

I know you’re a sensible guy, but when you bring in discretion it opens it up to folk who aren’t as sensible and those lines become blurred, so you could ignore the lights at any time if the roundabout is clear, or just if it’s safe to go even if it’s busy (loads of roundabouts don’t have lights so that must be doable)…

Not having a go at all, just curious about it. Like i said, when i talked to my wife about it I was definitely sitting in the “no harm done” camp until we started asking those questions.

[RyeSloan]

Just driving behind a Mokka with these stupid wee indicators, jeez nearly went into the back of them as I never seen it.

They are something else huh.

If someone was deliberately designing ‘hidden’ indicators then I’m not sure they would be as successful as what they have achieved here!

[J-C]

They are something else huh.

If someone was deliberately designing ‘hidden’ indicators then I’m not sure they would be as successful as what they have achieved here!

They disappear as soon as the breakes go on, ridiculous.

[Scouse Hibee]

I had this discussion with my wife when the guy did it at Maybury - it was late and if you knew the junction, probably safe enough to do it.

Who decides, though? Is it just the roundabout where you can exercise discretion and only at night, and what time does it become ok?

I know you’re a sensible guy, but when you bring in discretion it opens it up to folk who aren’t as sensible and those lines become blurred, so you could ignore the lights at any time if the roundabout is clear, or just if it’s safe to go even if it’s busy (loads of roundabouts don’t have lights so that must be doable)…

Not having a go at all, just curious about it. Like i said, when i talked to my wife about it I was definitely sitting in the “no harm done” camp until we started asking those questions.

Yeah it’s a massive no no for the reasons mentioned, Red means stop regardless of time, traffic, or any other excuse you may want to use to go through a red light.

[J-C]

Large roundabouts with lights should just have the lights on flashing amber after a certain time, thus treating it like an ordinary roundabout.

[matty_f]

Large roundabouts with lights should just have the lights on flashing amber after a certain time, thus treating it like an ordinary roundabout.

That’s not a bad suggestion, or they could just turn the lights off when not needed.

[Moulin Yarns]

That’s not a bad suggestion, or they could just turn the lights off when not needed.

Fairly sure that's what originally happened, signs used to be up warning of temporary traffic lights.

EDIT it might have said part time traffic lights.

[O'Rourke3]

Yeah it’s a massive no no for the reasons mentioned, Red means stop regardless of time, traffic, or any other excuse you may want to use to go through a red light.

It'd a fair point but I only choose to do it on roundabouts, late night, where I have clear vision on the approach as to what's coming on from my right and what might be blocking when I go forward - you know, like you have to do on roundabouts.

[silverhibee]

Telford Road coming from Farmers, cars parked on the road now blocking you to get down Groathill Road North, they were always on the pavement to get past before new laws came in.

[Gatecrasher]

That’s not a bad suggestion, or they could just turn the lights off when not needed.

This happens in Livingston at some roundabouts.

on a seperate moan...

There are a lot of people who just seem to drift between lanes without indicating. At busy periods as well. They are just making the traffic worse!

[Donegal Hibby]

Folk that go into a supermarket and just abandon their car outside the parking area. 😡

[McD]

Dickheads who tailgate in the outside lane of the motorway, trying to intimidate the driver in front to move over (whether they’re overtaking another car or not), then immediately do it to the next car, and then the next etc.

[AltheHibby]

Dickheads who tailgate in the outside lane of the motorway, trying to intimidate the driver in front to move over (whether they’re overtaking another car or not), then immediately do it to the next car, and then the next etc.

I find that a gentle touch on the brake pedal helps.

[BS44]

Edin Council meeting this week to discuss the approval of reopening the left turn at Elm Row on to London Road, if approved should be reopen next month or two.

[McD]

I find that a gentle touch on the brake pedal helps.



Yep. The idiot in question spent a long time waiting to get by as well. Had he had any kind of road safety or courtesy he’d have been past 15 miles earlier

[AltheHibby]

Yep. The idiot in question spent a long time waiting to get by as well. Had he had any kind of road safety or courtesy he’d have been past 15 miles earlier

Good.🫡

[Scouse Hibee]

Cyclists with no lights, reflective clothing or indeed anything that makes them visible at night. Encountered yet another one last night on my drive home just before midnight. Absolute idiots just asking to be in an accident.

[pollution]

Bypass closed at Hillend, again !

[Pretty Boy]

Bypass closed at Hillend, again !

Shambles.

I was on for 90 minutes to get between Sherrifhall and Straiton. I think it would have been even worse for those joining 10-15 minutes later.

Partly my own fault for not checking but we just seem so ill equipped for dealing with any inclement weather here. I cycled to and from work today and you could see the chaos coming. Drains that haven't been properly cleared in years all bubbling up and unable to cope with a couple of days rainfall.

[Moulin Yarns]

Shambles.

I was on for 90 minutes to get between Sherrifhall and Straiton. I think it would have been even worse for those joining 10-15 minutes later.

Partly my own fault for not checking but we just seem so ill equipped for dealing with any inclement weather here. I cycled to and from work today and you could see the chaos coming. Drains that haven't been properly cleared in years all bubbling up and unable to cope with a couple of days rainfall.

A month's worth of rain in 36 hours probably caught everyone out.

( posted from a dry pitlochry 😉)

[Pretty Boy]

A month's worth of rain in 36 hours probably caught everyone out.

( posted from a dry pitlochry 😉)

I get the rainfall was exceptional but flooding at that point isn't uncommon and there still seems no contingency planning at all.

The road was first reported flooded at 3 and closed not long after. People at my work who were driving home eastbound said they were still letting people join the road at Calder and Baberton eastbound at 7.30. One guy left work at 5 and got home at 10. It was the same for me going back out westbound with cars still joining at Lasswade, Sherriffhall and Gilmerton well after 7pm. I would have thought that the logical decision would be for the police to prevent access to the road at these junctions and try to disperse the traffic already stuck rather than letting hundreds more cars join.

There is obviously a bit of personal responsibility, and I accept checking the road should really have been something I had done, but it was pretty poorly managed. Even when I was going home at 10pm there was still a huge queue between Lothianburn and Sherrifhall and I saw one police car all night.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I’m guessing the bypass is fine now? I’m heading that way later today and back from Fife.

[Pretty Boy]

I’m guessing the bypass is fine now? I’m heading that way later today and back from Fife.

I believe passing Dreghorn was still down to one lane this morning going westbound (that was at about 6am according to a guy in my work). Not sure if that's resolved now.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Thanks, PB. Just checked on Google maps and there’s an additional ten minutes to my journey if I left now so seems like it’s ok.

[J-C]

Friday bloody drivers.

[RyeSloan]

I get the rainfall was exceptional but flooding at that point isn't uncommon and there still seems no contingency planning at all.

The road was first reported flooded at 3 and closed not long after. People at my work who were driving home eastbound said they were still letting people join the road at Calder and Baberton eastbound at 7.30. One guy left work at 5 and got home at 10. It was the same for me going back out westbound with cars still joining at Lasswade, Sherriffhall and Gilmerton well after 7pm. I would have thought that the logical decision would be for the police to prevent access to the road at these junctions and try to disperse the traffic already stuck rather than letting hundreds more cars join.

There is obviously a bit of personal responsibility, and I accept checking the road should really have been something I had done, but it was pretty poorly managed. Even when I was going home at 10pm there was still a huge queue between Lothianburn and Sherrifhall and I saw one police car all night.

Genuinely I don’t think the authorities really care. You would imagine the flooding and closing of the only bypass around the Capital city would be treated as a major incident but it appears it was largely just closed and then left to sort itself out.

Road Traffic policing in Scotland seems almost non existent now, genuinely can’t remember the last time I saw a ‘traffic cop’.

Anecdotally it seems when I (rarely) venture down south I see much more of a presence on the motorways there.

[pollution]

Genuinely I don’t think the authorities really care. You would imagine the flooding and closing of the only bypass around the Capital city would be treated as a major incident but it appears it was largely just closed and then left to sort itself out.

Road Traffic policing in Scotland seems almost non existent now, genuinely can’t remember the last time I saw a ‘traffic cop’.

Anecdotally it seems when I (rarely) venture down south I see much more of a presence on the motorways there.


When I passed Sheriffhall at 620pm yesterday traffic was still entering the west bound bypass.

Some vehicles were reversing back to the roundabout; not a traffic cop in sight.

No comment today from the police about the long delays or whether they attended last night. No apology from BEAR Scotland , if they are the traffic managers.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Took me over three hours to get from Fife to Tranent and back this afternoon. Can usually do it in two.

[silverhibee]

Friday bloody drivers.

That was horrific yesterday in the Capital, bad enough with roadworks but multiple accidents happening near enough all at the same time in the same area of the city.

[silverhibee]

City centre a nightmare again today, Corstorphine road, Queensferry Road and Ferry road all backed up from 12.30 today, and roadworks everywhere, why can’t they put no parking at the the top of Balgreen Road going on to Corstorphine road, folk parking on the hill brings it down to one lane and lengthy delays.

[heretoday]

Cyclists with no lights, reflective clothing or indeed anything that makes them visible at night. Encountered yet another one last night on my drive home just before midnight. Absolute idiots just asking to be in an accident.

Cyclists on the pavement with helmets and high viz jackets.

Christ, it's us pedestrians who should be wearing the helmets!

[J-C]

Cyclist who insist on cycling on the road when there's a multi million pound cycle lane running along the length of the road they're on (West Coates to Roseburn)

[McD]

Cyclist who insist on cycling on the road when there's a multi million pound cycle lane running along the length of the road they're on (West Coates to Roseburn)


Saw a cracker today, a cyclist peddling along, with his helmet dangling from the handlebars

[matty_f]

Cyclist who insist on cycling on the road when there's a multi million pound cycle lane running along the length of the road they're on (West Coates to Roseburn)

I raised this one a while back, there are a couple of roads near me that are very difficult to pass cyclists so traffic builds up behind them, plus some of them are fast roads so carry more risk for everyone. All served with a cycle path and you still get cyclists on the road. I don't get it?!

[CropleyWasGod]

Cyclist who insist on cycling on the road when there's a multi million pound cycle lane running along the length of the road they're on (West Coates to Roseburn)


I raised this one a while back, there are a couple of roads near me that are very difficult to pass cyclists so traffic builds up behind them, plus some of them are fast roads so carry more risk for everyone. All served with a cycle path and you still get cyclists on the road. I don't get it?!

I haven't been on the new lane, but some of the others are pretty poor in terms of space and safety. I can understand some cyclists feeling safer on the road.

[Scouse Hibee]

I raised this one a while back, there are a couple of roads near me that are very difficult to pass cyclists so traffic builds up behind them, plus some of them are fast roads so carry more risk for everyone. All served with a cycle path and you still get cyclists on the road. I don't get it?!

Some cyclists are arrogant self entitled half wits is the answer.

[lapsedhibee]

I raised this one a while back, there are a couple of roads near me that are very difficult to pass cyclists so traffic builds up behind them, plus some of them are fast roads so carry more risk for everyone. All served with a cycle path and you still get cyclists on the road. I don't get it?!

It's almost always the case that the road offers a faster route for the cyclist than the cycle lane does. Sometimes much faster, sometimes only a little.

The Roseburn-Coates link is only very slightly slower and in good nick because it's new, but Leith Walk heading north is much slower and some cycle lanes are so full of potholes that they're borderline uncyclable (A7 from Sheriffhall to Danderhall).

True fact that some cyclists are selfish ******** though.

[Pretty Boy]

It's almost always the case that the road offers a faster route for the cyclist than the cycle lane does. Sometimes much faster, sometimes only a little.

The Roseburn-Coates link is only very slightly slower and in good nick because it's new, but Leith Walk heading north is much slower and some cycle lanes are so full of potholes that they're borderline uncyclable (A7 from Sheriffhall to Danderhall).

True fact that some cyclists are selfish ******** though.

Add in that most cycle lanes will have at least half a dozen parked cars or vans blocking them at some point along the route.

When you complain about that you get a load of drivers calling you a grass, making excuses and moaning about you being on the road though.

True that some drivers are selfish *******s😂😂

[Pedantic_Hibee]

It's almost always the case that the road offers a faster route for the cyclist than the cycle lane does. Sometimes much faster, sometimes only a little.

The Roseburn-Coates link is only very slightly slower and in good nick because it's new, but Leith Walk heading north is much slower and some cycle lanes are so full of potholes that they're borderline uncyclable (A7 from Sheriffhall to Danderhall).

True fact that some cyclists are selfish ******** though.

Aren’t all facts true? 🙃

[lapsedhibee]

Aren’t all facts true? ��

Not since the invention of Alternative Facts, copyright KellyAnne Conway (https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=kellyanne+conway+alternative+facts+ video&mid=32210812461F888FCF8A32210812461F888FCF8A&FORM=VIRE)

[silverhibee]

Got a new Kia Sportage last week, the constant bleeping when going over the speed limits by 2mph, bleeps to tell you you are in wrong gear, bit of a nightmare that wasn’t mentioned when ordering car.

[Scouse Hibee]

Got a new Kia Sportage last week, the constant bleeping when going over the speed limits by 2mph, bleeps to tell you you are in wrong gear, bit of a nightmare that wasn’t mentioned when ordering car.

Surely you can turn the warnings off?

[Jones28]

Got a new Kia Sportage last week, the constant bleeping when going over the speed limits by 2mph, bleeps to tell you you are in wrong gear, bit of a nightmare that wasn’t mentioned when ordering car.

Aw surely that can get turned off?

[silverhibee]

Surely you can turn the warnings off?

Nope, can’t be turned off, just got to have loud music to drown the bleeping noise out, spoke with salesman yesterday and his advice was you just have to stick to speed limits, :rolleyes: :greengrin and Google isn’t much help either, most folk wanting to know how to turn the bleeping noises off.

Kia say within 5 years they will have cars fitted with a breathalyser in the car, over the limit and it won’t start, doing that every time would be a nightmare.

[sleeping giant]

Nope, can’t be turned off, just got to have loud music to drown the bleeping noise out, spoke with salesman yesterday and his advice was you just have to stick to speed limits, :rolleyes: :greengrin and Google isn’t much help either, most folk wanting to know how to turn the bleeping noises off.

Kia say within 5 years they will have cars fitted with a breathalyser in the car, over the limit and it won’t start, doing that every time would be a nightmare.

Tried this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPw6d_cK2n4

[silverhibee]

Tried this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPw6d_cK2n4

That says “permanently” it isn’t, every time you switch the car off you have to go through all that again every time, loud music is the only answer. :greengrin

[Scouse Hibee]

Nope, can’t be turned off, just got to have loud music to drown the bleeping noise out, spoke with salesman yesterday and his advice was you just have to stick to speed limits, :rolleyes: :greengrin and Google isn’t much help either, most folk wanting to know how to turn the bleeping noises off.

Kia say within 5 years they will have cars fitted with a breathalyser in the car, over the limit and it won’t start, doing that every time would be a nightmare.

That would be going straight back to the dealer. Have been looking at a new Kia Ceed but **** that if that’s gonna happen .

[Moulin Yarns]

That says “permanently” it isn’t, every time you switch the car off you have to go through all that again every time, loud music is the only answer. :greengrin

You've got me curious because I've a kia niro, less than a year old and that's something I've not noticed. You would think that all new kias would have the same technology. The lane assistance was annoying to begin with but there is a button on the steering wheel to switch it off.

[RyeSloan]

That would be going straight back to the dealer. Have been looking at a new Kia Ceed but **** that if that’s gonna happen .

Any car after July 2024 MUST be sold with this tech. Thank the EU regulations for this.

It also cannot be turned off permanently and can only be turned off each and every time you start the car. Some manufacturers might be helpful and give a shortcut button on their infotainment system to do this, others like Kia obviously don’t!

All cars will also have a black box that will record how often the system is turned off. Again no choice for the owner on that being recorded.

[Jones28]

That says “permanently” it isn’t, every time you switch the car off you have to go through all that again every time, loud music is the only answer. :greengrin

Is it literally as soon as you go over 70 on the motorway it kicks in?