Who for next manager?

[Forza Fred]

Hibs could not have timed the sacking of Johnson any worse.


I would be much happier if Kensall goes and IG takes a back seat, preferably well away from the club. Yes, Hibs can be the family toy, but leave it to experienced football people.

I don’t think you would ever be happy mate, judging by some of your posts.

[Unseen work]

MARSHALL AGAIN.


Genuinely brutal

[H18 SFR]

MARSHALL AGAIN.


Genuinely brutal

Too soon to appoint him. Needs to learn his trade elsewhere…

[superfurryhibby]

Hibs could not have timed the sacking of Johnson any worse.

A few days before the transfer window closes and no time for any prospective new manager to be appointed and identify players he would like.

Always felt we got the manager and DOF erse over t*t. Should have got the DOF in first, then for him to structure the club properly and appoint a new manager. This should have been done at the beginning of last season before Johnson was given the job.

The new manager, when he comes in will be on the back foot already, trying to fit in with the current structure. Know we got through a few managers under Dempster but the structure was sound then.

We are looking for a new manager, but I just feel the problems are rooted from Kensall & Ian Gordon. They have both made complete mess of the football side of the club for a good 2 -3 years. Both cannot be trusted.

I would be much happier if Kensall goes and IG takes a back seat, preferably well away from the club. Yes, Hibs can be the family toy, but leave it to experienced football people.

:rolleyes:

Still, at least they didn’t rob the poppy money. Pitchforks sharpened though.

[21sMay]

Hibs could not have timed the sacking of Johnson any worse.

A few days before the transfer window closes and no time for any prospective new manager to be appointed and identify players he would like.

Always felt we got the manager and DOF erse over t*t. Should have got the DOF in first, then for him to structure the club properly and appoint a new manager. This should have been done at the beginning of last season before Johnson was given the job.

The new manager, when he comes in will be on the back foot already, trying to fit in with the current structure. Know we got through a few managers under Dempster but the structure was sound then.

We are looking for a new manager, but I just feel the problems are rooted from Kensall & Ian Gordon. They have both made complete mess of the football side of the club for a good 2 -3 years. Both cannot be trusted.

I would be much happier if Kensall goes and IG takes a back seat, preferably well away from the club. Yes, Hibs can be the family toy, but leave it to experienced football people.

Unbelievable haha

[Hibees1973]

I don’t think you would ever be happy mate, judging by some of your posts.

Apart from the odd game, Luzern & The Yam in the league towards the end of last season, no I've not been happy for a while with Hibs.

Been one car crash to the next under the last 2 clowns we have had managing us.

If you are happy what's been going on, then you are in the vast minority.....mate.

[May21/05/216]

Monty

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[Springbank]

This lady or chap calling themselves Hibees1973 (a fine vintage, btw)

You would have merit in your criticism of the board if they had been happy to tolerate Johnson but my chum they sacked him.

They acted.

They took decisive measures.

So when the new boss is appointed, be it Montgomery / Arnold / McInnes / Whoever, I'll be saying "fair play, the Gordons & BK took decisive action" having spent £2 5m on a forward line for you & me to enjoy

[04Sauzee]

From Patrick McPartlin

https://twitter.com/p_mcpartlin/status/1697361796829421613?t=KhYB8iNT6_Y7AVReRc3BPQ&s=19

Central Coast Mariners boss Nick Montgomery has thrown his hat into the ring for the Hibs job

[Iain G]

From Patrick McPartlin

https://twitter.com/p_mcpartlin/status/1697361796829421613?t=KhYB8iNT6_Y7AVReRc3BPQ&s=19

Central Coast Mariners boss Nick Montgomery has thrown his hat into the ring for the Hibs job

Why not, let's go for it!

[Joe6-2]

Why not, let's go for it!

Yes!

[Hibees1973]

This lady or chap calling themselves Hibees1973 (a fine vintage, btw)

You would have merit in your criticism of the board if they had been happy to tolerate Johnson but my chum they sacked him.

They acted.

They took decisive measures.

So when the new boss is appointed, be it Montgomery / Arnold / McInnes / Whoever, I'll be saying "fair play, the Gordons & BK took decisive action" having spent £2 5m on a forward line for you & me to enjoy

Fine, they sacked Johnson sharpish. Well done them.

But Kensall and Ian Gordon sacked Ross then appointed both Maloney & Johnson. The only thing they get right is to quickly admit they have made mistakes, realise it and sack managers.

How many managers do they need to appoint and sack to see that they might be the problem.

[Brightside]

Fine, they sacked Johnson sharpish. Well done them.

But Kensall and Ian Gordon sacked Ross then appointed both Maloney & Johnson. The only thing they get right is to quickly admit they have made mistakes, realise it and sack managers.

How many managers do they need to appoint and sack to see that they might be the problem.

Ian Gordon didn’t sack Ross. And the fans wanted him sacked. Wrongly imo. But there you go.

[Callum_62]

Fine, they sacked Johnson sharpish. Well done them.

But Kensall and Ian Gordon sacked Ross then appointed both Maloney & Johnson. The only thing they get right is to quickly admit they have made mistakes, realise it and sack managers.

How many managers do they need to appoint and sack to see that they might be the problem.4

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[Unseen work]

From the Teenage Kicks to the Full Monty.

Nick Montgomery’s Green and White Army.

[21sMay]

Derek McInnis please

[Unseen work]

Stephen Bradley mentioned as he was asked about it https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/11171974/hibs-manager-nick-montgomery-stephen-bradley-lennon/

Said he knows Brian McDermott well from their time together at arsenal

[Torto7]

I really don't want Robinson. I can't put my finger on why but he's the one that least excites me.

[Donegal Hibby]

I really don't want Robinson. I can't put my finger on why but he's the one that least excites me.

I can :greengrin

[LancsHibs]

Genuine question, why the excitement about Nick Montgomery?
Until a few days ago and reading this thread I’d never heard of him and it appears his only managerial experience is in the Australian league!
If it is him then so be it and I wish him all the best but this seems like a very risky and ‘left field’ inexperienced appointment to me.

[Slim Shady]

Fine, they sacked Johnson sharpish. Well done them.

But Kensall and Ian Gordon sacked Ross then appointed both Maloney & Johnson. The only thing they get right is to quickly admit they have made mistakes, realise it and sack managers.

How many managers do they need to appoint and sack to see that they might be the problem.

Kensall didn’t appoint Maloney either. Although he did sack him when required.

[Vault Boy]

After doing my research the last couple of days, like the absolute sad weirdo I am, I really hope it’s Monty.

[Iain G]

Genuine question, why the excitement about Nick Montgomery?
Until a few days ago and reading this thread I’d never heard of him and it appears his only managerial experience is in the Australian league!
If it is him then so be it and I wish him all the best but this seems like a very risky and ‘left field’ inexperienced appointment to me.

It's exciting, an unknown, endless possibilities of how well it could go! Think Mogga or Stubbs! 😁

[Hibs1969]

Graham Arnold says no to Hibs according to the Sydney Morning Herald. He was honoured to be offered the job but says the timing wasn’t right for him.

‘Arnold said he was recently offered the head coaching position by the Scottish Premiership strugglers, who sacked Lee Johnson this week after five defeats in their first nine games. I have to say, it was an honour that Hibs rang and offered me the job,” Arnold said on Friday. I spoke to the owner ... at this moment, the timing’s not right.

That’ll be that then, we move on to the next contender.

[Callum_62]

Graham Arnold says no to Hibs according to the Sydney Morning Herald. He was honoured to be offered the job but says the timing wasn’t right for him.

‘Arnold said he was recently offered the head coaching position by the Scottish Premiership strugglers, who sacked Lee Johnson this week after five defeats in their first nine games. I have to say, it was an honour that Hibs rang and offered me the job,” Arnold said on Friday. I spoke to the owner ... at this moment, the timing’s not right.

That’ll be that then, we move on to the next contender. Didn't want him anyway [emoji24][emoji24][emoji24]

Fair play to Ian even testing the water there

Always thought if it was to be someone from Oz it would be Monty

So shortlist is looking like Robinson, Montgomery, Lennon, unknown

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[Bridge hibs]

Didn't want him anyway [emoji24][emoji24][emoji24]

Fair play to Ian even testing the water there

Always thought if it was to be someone from Oz it would be Monty

So shortlist is looking like Robinson, Montgomery, Lennon, unknown

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkI would rather have “unknown” than Lennon 😃

[1875M]

Montgomery would be first choice for me. McInnes would be next. Robinson, third. If it’s Robinson, so be it, I’ll get right behind him.

[Smartie]

Genuine question, why the excitement about Nick Montgomery?
Until a few days ago and reading this thread I’d never heard of him and it appears his only managerial experience is in the Australian league!
If it is him then so be it and I wish him all the best but this seems like a very risky and ‘left field’ inexperienced appointment to me.

He’s probably got the least in the minus column and would have the best chance of uniting us from his starting position.

Having success somewhere with much less by way of resource than most direct rivals is not to be sniffed at, even if it’s at a low level and even if it’s not been for a sustained period of time.

[CapitalGreen]

Graham Arnold says no to Hibs according to the Sydney Morning Herald. He was honoured to be offered the job but says the timing wasn’t right for him.

‘Arnold said he was recently offered the head coaching position by the Scottish Premiership strugglers, who sacked Lee Johnson this week after five defeats in their first nine games. I have to say, it was an honour that Hibs rang and offered me the job,” Arnold said on Friday. I spoke to the owner ... at this moment, the timing’s not right.

That’ll be that then, we move on to the next contender.

He wasn’t my first choice - McInnes or Montgomery please. But the fact we were looking to speak to him should blow out the water any suggestion that we are going for a cheap option.

[Callum_62]

He’s probably got the least in the minus column and would have the best chance of uniting us from his starting position.

Having success somewhere with much less by way of resource than most direct rivals is not to be sniffed at, even if it’s at a low level and even if it’s not been for a sustained period of time.Surely Robinson beats him out there?

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[easty]

Graham Arnold says no to Hibs according to the Sydney Morning Herald. He was honoured to be offered the job but says the timing wasn’t right for him.

‘Arnold said he was recently offered the head coaching position by the Scottish Premiership strugglers, who sacked Lee Johnson this week after five defeats in their first nine games. I have to say, it was an honour that Hibs rang and offered me the job,” Arnold said on Friday. I spoke to the owner ... at this moment, the timing’s not right.

That’ll be that then, we move on to the next contender.

I would’ve been happy with him. Looks a better option than Montgomery.

[easty]

He’s probably got the least in the minus column and would have the best chance of uniting us from his starting position.

Having success somewhere with much less by way of resource than most direct rivals is not to be sniffed at, even if it’s at a low level and even if it’s not been for a sustained period of time.

What is their budget compared to other sides? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times now.

When you actually go look into it, he’s the manager of the only team that spent any transfer fee at all this season.

Then (and I know these sites aren’t exactly reliable) if you look here -

https://footystats.org/australia/a-league/salaries

They’ve got the third largest average salary in the league,

So, is he really doing great with his “lower resources”? Or is he doing pretty much as well as he should be?

[scm70nyd1973]

Imagine - just imagine - if Montgomery turned out to be the next Alex Ferguson - I’m 60 now and I am craving for a sustained period of relative success as I don’t have that many seasons of supporting HIBS left - even a period of exciting football would suffice - you can but dream and who said oldies like me can’t dare to dream anymore.

As for European football and all its nonsense seeding,I just don’t care about it anymore - for teams like us it only seems like it’s a money making exercise i.e. everything that is bad about football these days - just give me some entertainment on a weekly basis FFS.

[Waxy]

What is their budget compared to other sides? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times now.

When you actually go look into it, he’s the manager of the only team that spent any transfer fee at all this season.

Then (and I know these sites aren’t exactly reliable) if you look here -

https://footystats.org/australia/a-league/salaries

They’ve got the third largest average salary in the league,

So, is he really doing great with his “lower resources”? Or is he doing pretty much as well as he should be?

Perhaps we should go for Dick Campbell.

[easty]

Imagine - just imagine - if Montgomery turned out to be the next Alex Ferguson - I’m 60 now and I am craving for a sustained period of relative success as I don’t have that many seasons of supporting HIBS left - even a period of exciting football would suffice - you can but dream and who said oldies like me can’t dare to dream anymore.

As for European football and all its nonsense seeding,I just don’t care about it anymore as (for teams like us) it only seems like it’s a money making exercise i.e. everything that is bad about football these days - just give me some entertainment on a weekly basis FFS.

You can feel free to imagine whatever manager we appoint is the new Alex Ferguson 👍

You’ve got plenty seasons to watch Hibs, you’re only 60!

[scm70nyd1973]

Appointing Dick Campbell would create a new revenue service in bunnet sales so this might work.

This assumes that your post was not a derogatory and inflammatory reference to the promotion - at a very young age - of our very own Josh Campbell 🤭😂

PS - I still think that JC will come good under the guidance of a good Manager - I like him TBH

[scm70nyd1973]

You can feel free to imagine whatever manager we appoint is the new Alex Ferguson 👍

You’ve got plenty seasons to watch Hibs, you’re only 60!

Spell check is a nightmare as I am only fifty ten 🤭Thanks for the cheer up 👍

[CapitalGreen]

What is their budget compared to other sides? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times now.

When you actually go look into it, he’s the manager of the only team that spent any transfer fee at all this season.

Then (and I know these sites aren’t exactly reliable) if you look here -

https://footystats.org/australia/a-league/salaries

They’ve got the third largest average salary in the league,

So, is he really doing great with his “lower resources”? Or is he doing pretty much as well as he should be?

I imagine like non-Old Firm teams in Scotland, salaries will be a much larger proportion of budgets than fees are.

The £200k fee to get Alou Kuol back appears to be the first fee they have spent during his time and is on the back of winning the league and selling 2 players in 2023 for a combined £700k. Alou Kuol has yet to play for them upon returning so spending that fee hasn’t contributed to any of the success he has enjoyed so far.

They are ranked as the lowest team in the league by Market Value of their squad.

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[Forza Fred]

What is their budget compared to other sides? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times now.

When you actually go look into it, he’s the manager of the only team that spent any transfer fee at all this season.

Then (and I know these sites aren’t exactly reliable) if you look here -

https://footystats.org/australia/a-league/salaries

They’ve got the third largest average salary in the league,

So, is he really doing great with his “lower resources”? Or is he doing pretty much as well as he should be?

There are no transfer fees between A league clubs……..they are not allowed, believe it or not.

Not even going to look at the wages stats……Melbourne Victory, Melbourne City, Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers dwarf most of the other clubs in resources ..even though there is a salary cap in place.

The Mariners are what you would call a ‘provincial club’ whereas most of the other teams are big city clubs….

The Mariners beat Melbourne City 6-1 in the Grand Final.

The difference between the financial resources of the Mariners……basically a Community club….and the City Group’s Melbourne City..are so large it’s not worth debating.

Many clubs are struggling in the A League ….but that ‘is entirely another story.

Where Monty has excelled is in setting up the youth system up there and bringing through players from their Academy……promoting them early to the first team and then selling them to European clubs to fund the club’s outgoings…….
Kinda like the model Ron G had in mind…..

[Northernhibee]

There are no transfer fees between A league clubs……..they are not allowed, believe it or not.

Not even going to look at the wages stats……Melbourne Victory, Melbourne City, Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers dwarf most of the other clubs in resources ..even though there is a salary cap in place.

The Mariners are what you would call a ‘provincial club’ whereas most of the other teams are big city clubs….

The Mariners beat Melbourne City 6-1 in the Grand Final.

The difference between the financial resources of the Mariners……basically a Community club….and the City Group’s Melbourne City..are so large it’s not worth debating.

Many clubs are struggling in the A League ….but that ‘is entirely another story.

Where Monty has excelled is in setting up the youth system up there and bringing through players from their Academy……promoting them early to the first team and then selling them to European clubs to fund the club’s outgoings…….
Kinda like the model Ron G had in mind…..

Really like the sound of Montgomery (and I also think I've found my Aussie team now too)

[JimBHibees]

There are no transfer fees between A league clubs……..they are not allowed, believe it or not.

Not even going to look at the wages stats……Melbourne Victory, Melbourne City, Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers dwarf most of the other clubs in resources ..even though there is a salary cap in place.

The Mariners are what you would call a ‘provincial club’ whereas most of the other teams are big city clubs….

The Mariners beat Melbourne City 6-1 in the Grand Final.

The difference between the financial resources of the Mariners……basically a Community club….and the City Group’s Melbourne City..are so large it’s not worth debating.

Many clubs are struggling in the A League ….but that ‘is entirely another story.

Where Monty has excelled is in setting up the youth system up there and bringing through players from their Academy……promoting them early to the first team and then selling them to European clubs to fund the club’s outgoings…….
Kinda like the model Ron G had in mind…..

Seems a pretty compelling case if he wants it. Loved his passion in the grand final. The all access video was very good.

[Northernhibee]

Watching highlights of the CCM vs Melbourne City cup final game. Impressed with the pace, directness, and attacking threat of CCM. A couple of penalties for them, but they attack in numbers, defend in numbers - it almost reminds me of the Bodo/Glimt side when they became absolute giant killers, just incredibly well drilled.

Get him in.

[Forza Fred]

What is their budget compared to other sides? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times now.

When you actually go look into it, he’s the manager of the only team that spent any transfer fee at all this season.

Then (and I know these sites aren’t exactly reliable) if you look here -

https://footystats.org/australia/a-league/salaries

They’ve got the third largest average salary in the league,

So, is he really doing great with his “lower resources”? Or is he doing pretty much as well as he should be?

Mate,

I said I wasn’t even going to look at the site you quoted but the absurdity of your claim got the better of me and I had a quick peep.

You said the Mariners had the third largest average salary….which I know is Bollox.

Look at the ‘Annual Salaries by Clubs in the a League’, and the the number of players they use to calculate the ‘average’.

They divide the total by SIX players!!….and come up with the ‘average.’.

Six Players! ..not even enough to take the field!

The number of players used to calculate each ‘average’ varies…why I don’t know.



Certainly the total payroll figures look more reasonable..with the Mariners only above one other club…..the newly formed MacArthur who are hovering on bankruptcy and play in front of a handful of spectators.

I get you might not like the thought of Monte being the coach..and that’s fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion…..but your ‘average salary’ figure is well, just nonsense.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Where Monty has excelled is in setting up the youth system up there and bringing through players from their Academy……promoting them early to the first team and then selling them to European clubs to fund the club’s outgoings…….
Kinda like the model Ron G had in mind…..

It's that final paragraph that you've referenced a number times that draws me towards NM over all other candidates

When I think of Hibs and our identity, 2 things stand out. 1 I think of a club that looks to its academy to bring through the next "star". Whether that's Ian Murray or the 2004-07 group of players and more recently Porto.

And 2 we TRY to play football with these young guys. Teenage kicks, time for heroes. Admittedly that is a rare occurence.

Of course we WANT to be top 3 but more often than not we fall short. But for the last few years there's been a real lack of identity. No style.

Off the park, everything is in place. Even on the park we're spending doesn't money to try achieve the success we crave.

Maybe the clamour for NM is based on some hope for Ange lite I dunno.

[easty]

Mate,

I said I wasn’t even going to look at the site you quoted but the absurdity of your claim got the better of me and I had a quick peep.

You said the Mariners had the third largest average salary….which I know is Bollox.

Look at the ‘total payroll.’, and the the number of players they use to calculate the ‘average’.

They divide the total by SIX players!!….and come up with the ‘average.’.

Six Players! ..not even enough to take the field!

The number of players used to calculate each ‘average’ varies…why I don’t know.



Certainly the total payroll figures look more reasonable..with the Mariners only above one other club…..the newly formed MacArthur who are hovering on bankruptcy and play in front of a handful of spectators.

I get you might not like the thought of Monte being the coach..and that’s fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion…..but your ‘average salary’ figure is well, just nonsense.

Its not my average salary figure, and did say those sites aren’t reliable to be fair!

I’m not madly anti-Montgomery, and if it’s him I’ll be behind him from the start.

[jeffers]

You’ve maybe already answered this Fred, so apologies for asking again, but would you be happy if NM was appointed as our manager ?

[Spike Mandela]

After doing my research the last couple of days, like the absolute sad weirdo I am, I really hope it’s Monty.

What did your research reveal? I’m too lazy to do it myself.

[Northernhibee]

What did your research reveal? I’m too lazy to do it myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhURjbre2s&t=2287s

The full match of the A-League final where they spank Melbourne City 6-1. Got it on just now and I have to say, it's a very entertaining game.

[AllyRae]

I'd take Robinson in a heart beat, just like how he gets his teams playing for him no matter their limitations. Spoken to a few Motherwell fans swell who were all gutted he left.

[Dalianwanda]

From what Ive read Montgomery would be my prefered choice mainly down to the development of youth, he could be the missing piece of the jigsaw. Getting them into the first team, something we have shouted about but not excelled in in many years..Based on what he has achieved with St Mirren & Motherwell, putting together a side that really wants to play for him, I would also be happy with Robinson (although not sure why people arent keen on his character)..Either those 2 or someone completely out of the blue that ticks those boxes will do me.

[Forza Fred]

You’ve maybe already answered this Fred, so apologies for asking again, but would you be happy if NM was appointed as our manager ?

Like everybody else (presumably) I want the best possible manager for Hibs, whomever that is.

If the Board, after doing their due diligence on their short list decide Monte is the man, then I’m happy with their decision.

[overdrive]

I said previously, I liked the idea of Darren Moore. However, he's really annoying me for some reason on SSN Deadline Day. I can't even put my finger on it as to why he's annoying me but he is.

[WhileTheChief..]

How did Montgomery’s name come up originally?

Hoping it’s not like Hearts with Stendel and Kickback!!

[Bostonhibby]

How did Montgomery’s name come up originally?

Hoping it’s not like Hearts with Stendel and Kickback!!Cannae see it myself, Montgomery's probably never even heard of wetherspoons.

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[Greenworld]

I said previously, I liked the idea of Darren Moore. However, he's really annoying me for some reason on SSN Deadline Day. I can't even put my finger on it as to why he's annoying me but he is.That's funny I'm watching thinking the same thing. First impressions are everything [emoji16][emoji16]

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[Greencore]

Glad Arnold rejected us. As a lot of aussie fans wanted him gone.

[jeffers]

Like everybody else (presumably) I want the best possible manager for Hibs, whomever that is.

If the Board, after doing their due diligence on their short list decide Monte is the man, then I’m happy with their decision.

Sorry I meant have you seen enough of him to think he’d be a good fit for us ?

[CapitalGreen]

Something I think needs to be considered for any candidate is whether the manager has ever managed a team that will dominate possession in most matches they play.

At Hibs, most games the manager will need to have the team set up to be able to break down a stubborn opposition defence.

At smaller SPFL teams, teams will rarely be as dominant and for a lot of games the manager will need to have the team set up to frustrate the opposition and then counter attack.

Have the likes of Martindale and Robinson ever managed a team which dominates possession?

[Hibernian Verse]

Something I think needs to be considered for any candidate is whether the manager has ever managed a team that will dominate possession in most matches they play.

At Hibs, most games the manager will need to have the team set up to be able to break down a stubborn opposition defence.

At smaller SPFL teams, teams will rarely be as dominant and for a lot of games the manager will need to have the team set up to frustrate the opposition and then counter attack.

Have the likes of Martindale and Robinson ever managed a team which dominates possession?

I think we are good going forward against these types of sides. What we struggle with is defending the counter which is what needs addressed first by the next manager.

[easty]

I think we are good going forward against these types of sides. What we struggle with is defending the counter which is what needs addressed first by the next manager.

I don’t think we’ve been good going forward for a long time. I think we’ve got quality up front, but use it badly.

[04Sauzee]

After the reports yesterday about Hibs looking at Robinson he's now now favourite at 1/2 with Montgomery at 3/1.

I know the market is small and doesn't meant much if anything but there you go.

[Smartie]

Something I think needs to be considered for any candidate is whether the manager has ever managed a team that will dominate possession in most matches they play.

At Hibs, most games the manager will need to have the team set up to be able to break down a stubborn opposition defence.

At smaller SPFL teams, teams will rarely be as dominant and for a lot of games the manager will need to have the team set up to frustrate the opposition and then counter attack.

Have the likes of Martindale and Robinson ever managed a team which dominates possession?

I think you've hit the nail on the head here and this is the hill that most Hibs managers die on.

It's probably less important for them to have prior experience of this but it's essential that they realise it's a requirement and have a plan to deal with it.

I certainly can't be bothered with anyone else coming, taking about the "press", building a side that is handy on the counter attack but leaving opposition teams to just let us have the ball knowing we have no idea what to do in such a situation and then breaking effectively against us.

[davhibby]

There’s someone called Martin Anselmi that’s appeared in the Mcbookie odds at 16/1 today. Argentinian manager currently at a team in Ecuador. Wonder where that’s came from

[yerauldda]

After the reports yesterday about Hibs looking at Robinson he's now now favourite at 1/2 with Montgomery at 3/1.

I know the market is small and doesn't meant much if anything but there you go.

The two best candidates IMO.

[04Sauzee]

There’s someone called Martin Anselmi that’s appeared in the Mcbookie odds at 16/1 today. Argentinian manager currently at a team in Ecuador. Wonder where that’s came from

Mentioned it yesterday, think he was 12s yesterday.

[CapitalGreen]

I don’t think we’ve been good going forward for a long time. I think we’ve got quality up front, but use it badly.

Agree, we’ve been relying too much on individuals rather than any sort of attacking strategy for about 5 years.

[sleeping giant]

There’s someone called Martin Anselmi that’s appeared in the Mcbookie odds at 16/1 today. Argentinian manager currently at a team in Ecuador. Wonder where that’s came from

Tam Mcmanus is 100/1 😄

[GonzoReturns]

Robinson for me - knows the league knows our players and weakness. We need stability and we have a league cup tie against St Mirren coming up 😊

[CapitalGreen]

Robinson for me - knows the league knows our players and weakness. We need stability and we have a league cup tie against St Mirren coming up 😊

How does Robinson guarantee stability? In 2 of his 4 jobs he has been punted within a year.

[Unseen work]

How does Robinson guarantee stability? In 2 of his 4 jobs he has been punted within a year.

Due to what he done in Scotland?

3rd place finish with Motherwell and got in the top 6 for the first time in 4 decades with St Mirren.

[badabing67]

How does Robinson guarantee stability? In 2 of his 4 jobs he has been punted within a year.


I don't want him here full stop.

[CapitalGreen]

Due to what he done in Scotland?

3rd place finish with Motherwell and got in the top 6 for the first time in 4 decades with St Mirren.

None of that guarantees stability though in the same way that Butcher taking ICT to their best ever league finishes didn’t either.

If he comes in and starts off in a similar fashion to when he joined St Mirren then we are going to be in a relegation scrap. 1 league win in his first 8 games there and managed to take St Mirren from 4th to 8th in the league.

[Moulin Yarns]

Tam Mcmanus is 100/1 😄

He tweeted that he was gutted to be so long odds

[#2 Double Tap]

lennon or mcinnes are the only suitable candidates mentioned so far.

[Cat Stanton]

Like everybody else (presumably) I want the best possible manager for Hibs, whomever that is.

If the Board, after doing their due diligence on their short list decide Monte is the man, then I’m happy with their decision.

Are you a politician over there, Fred? That's a great politician's answer...

I think the real question was: do you think he's any good?

[Amazinsauzee]

lennon or mcinnes are the only suitable candidates mentioned so far.

Lennon is in no way suitable

[Since452]

Glad Arnold rejected us. As a lot of aussie fans wanted him gone.

I'm not sure we've even spoken to him. Daily Ranger reported it.

[Since452]

Robinson gets my vote.

[MrRobot]

I think it’s likely to be Robinson.

Montgomery sounds like a really good up and coming manager but not sure we can afford the risk right now. Robinson seems a solid choice.

[Silky]

How does Robinson guarantee stability? In 2 of his 4 jobs he has been punted within a year.

A year is about average though.

[CapitalGreen]

A year is about average though.

It wasn’t even close to a year though - punted after 6 months at Oldham and then punted after 8 months at Morecambe.

[JohnM1875]

https://twitter.com/fast_sin/status/1697360611582099844?s=20

I get he's currently not a manager so can do whatever he wants. But the Celtic questions during our press conferences really done my head in and I could do without all that again. Not Lennon for me now.

[MrRobot]

https://twitter.com/fast_sin/status/1697360611582099844?s=20

I get he's currently not a manager so can do whatever he wants. But the Celtic questions during our press conferences really done my head in and I could do without all that again. Not Lennon for me now.

That video of him being nice to a fan is your breaking point with him? :confused:

[AgentDaleCooper]

Robinson's record slightly reminds me of that of Terry Butcher, i.e. meh at Motherwell, rubbish everywhere else apart from his current job, the first time he's really had some success, which for some reason creates the illusion of him being a safe pair of hands.

could be completely wrong, and at least he's not a Tory :aok:

[JohnM1875]

That video of him being nice to a fan is your breaking point with him? :confused:

Not sure what you're confused about really? It'll always be a Celtic love in with him, which I understand, he loves the club and that's fine. But don't want our manager constantly talking about Celtic.

'Hibs are at home to Kille today, Neil. But can I ask, what do you think of the Celtic line up from midweek?'

I thought after the last sacking from them it might've changed slightly, doesn't look like it has.

[keep the faith]

https://twitter.com/fast_sin/status/1697360611582099844?s=20

I get he's currently not a manager so can do whatever he wants. But the Celtic questions during our press conferences really done my head in and I could do without all that again. Not Lennon for me now.

Interesting one that. We all know Lennon uses the media to raise his profile when he wants back in, so attending a celtic play at the same time hibs are playing in Europe is an odd move. It suggests there has been no bite from hibs in my opinion.

I agree about the celtic thing being tiresome last time around and would hope that someone interested in being our manager would be watching us closely night rather than doing other things about other clubs!

[Since452]

https://twitter.com/fast_sin/status/1697360611582099844?s=20

I get he's currently not a manager so can do whatever he wants. But the Celtic questions during our press conferences really done my head in and I could do without all that again. Not Lennon for me now.

That's one of the reasons I don't want him.. Celtic love in.

[Broken Gnome]

Could he celebrate a Hibs goal at Parkhead these days without a second thought?

[bordergreen]

Interesting one that. We all know Lennon uses the media to raise his profile when he wants back in, so attending a celtic play at the same time hibs are playing in Europe is an odd move. It suggests there has been no bite from hibs in my opinion.

I agree about the celtic thing being tiresome last time around and would hope that someone interested in being our manager would be watching us closely night rather than doing other things about other clubs!

Please NO to Lennon. As well as the Celtic love in, there are all the other things people have highlighted, as to why it should be a no. The Neil Lennon Show, all about him, not Hibs. The going AWOL at points last time. The throwing the toys out the pram and refusing to do interviews. The bizarre team selections because he was in the huff and wanted to prove a point. Etc, etc, etc.

He also get's slated for the name calling of Leanne Dempster, which was wrong, but if that is ok to be forgotten, why are people so against Malky Mackay? We have all said and done things that we would not say, or, do now. Well, I have, not so sure about some of the Saints in Waiting who post on here though. What happened to yesterday's news is tomorrows chip wrapper. Oh, I forgot, the internet and improved food hygiene standards...

In all seriousness, I think Malky Mackay is a good manager who made a mistake. No doubt he has learned from it. Not advocating for Mackay, I wouldn't say no though. I quite like the sound of Montgomery. Hope we get someone who will get us organised, prepeared and enthused for each game, with the right team selections, set ups and tactics.

Not too much to ask, is it? Cue the '"He's a filthy racist" pile on.

[Lancs Harp]

Personally I dont think Lennon is being seriously considered by the Club. I'd be really surprised if he got the gig, time to move on in a new direction. Too much bagage with him.

[#2 Double Tap]

:nlgwa:greengrin

[Alex Trager]

McInnes please. (Again).

[GreenGray]

If we are going for the safe option in Robinson and paying compensation I would much rather go for McInnes.

Robinson hasn’t done enough in my opinion to deserve it or show he can make the step up.


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[Groathillgrump]

Anyone but Lennon.

I'd always loathed him as a player and manager for Celtic and I really had to hold my nose when we appointed him as manager.

Admittedly he had us playing good football for a brief spell but it all imploded spectacularly as we probably knew it would.

Lennon's had his chance and history show us that people returning to clubs in a playing or managerial capacity is rarely successful.

[Exuberance1875]

Stephen Robinson down to 4/7 with McBookie…fear

[Donegal Hibby]

I really don't get this thing that folk think Robinson is a safe pair of hands tbh . His win percentage is only slightly better than Malky Mackay who I don't thinks a good manager . Think we should try and have abit more ambition than that tbh .

[ScottB]

If we are going for the safe option in Robinson and paying compensation I would much rather go for McInnes.

Robinson hasn’t done enough in my opinion to deserve it or show he can make the step up.


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I mean, whether we’re up for paying compensation doesn’t mean Killie are open to receiving it, or that McInnes would want to come.

I’ve no idea if we have made an approach or not mind!

[Real Emerald]

[QUOTE=GreenGray;7456889]If we are going for the safe option in Robinson and paying compensation I would much rather go for McInnes.

Robinson hasn’t done enough in my opinion to deserve it or show he can make the step up.

I’m not sure if I’d want Robinson or not but there’s lots of managers go through a purple patch and fade away, he might be in that category. McInness is definitely a safe pair of hands if not maybe an exciting new thinking prospect.

There are no guarantees with anyone of course but maybe the safe hands of McInness would be good at this time. He’s also in with the media love in so may get them off our back for a while, a side bonus if you like.

[04Sauzee]

From Jamie Borthwick

Hibs accelerating on managerial vacancy. Shortlist soon to be concluded and official approaches will follow with a view to conducting interviews next week. They're looking at the international break as ideal time to get their man.

[GreenGray]

From Jamie Borthwick

Hibs accelerating on managerial vacancy. Shortlist soon to be concluded and official approaches will follow with a view to conducting interviews next week. They're looking at the international break as ideal time to get their man.

So all this priority and number one target chat is nonsense as we haven’t even interviewed yet.


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[Joe6-2]

Stephen Robinson down to 4/7 with McBookie…fear

Nooooo

[Nicho87]

Steven Robinson doesn’t really excite me at all. Like not one bit!

[04Sauzee]

Nooooo

Evens with Betvictor with Malky Makay 2/1 and Montgomery 3/1. Pfft

[Cat Stanton]

Nooooo

Is this not just cos a few people put a few quid on him? Doesn't necessarily mean anything, does it?

[04Sauzee]

Is this not just cos a few people put a few quid on him? Doesn't necessarily mean anything, does it?

Think that's the case probably very little spent in this market

[Joe6-2]

Is this not just cos a few people put a few quid on him? Doesn't necessarily mean anything, does it?

Hope you’re right, or Malky Mackay, nothing to do with personal things, but just not good enough

[Exuberance1875]

Is this not just cos a few people put a few quid on him? Doesn't necessarily mean anything, does it?

I hope so!

[CapitalGreen]

Is this not just cos a few people put a few quid on him? Doesn't necessarily mean anything, does it?

Yup, as soon as anyone puts any decent amount of money on someone they will close the market.

[The Harp Awakes]

Don't like the way this is going one bit and I fear Hibs are going to make @rse of the of the manager appointment again.

We need a candidate who is experienced managing a club of our size, knows the club and the Scottish game and who can hit the ground running. This is no time for experiments. McInnes and Lennon are head and shoulders above any of the other names mentioned IMO. Unless another top Manager comes in from left field, those 2 should be the short list.

[GreenPJ]

Don't like the way this is going one bit and I fear Hibs are going to make @rse of the of the manager appointment again.

We need a candidate who is experienced managing a club of our size, knows the club and the Scottish game and who can hit the ground running. This is no time for experiments. McInnes and Lennon are head and shoulders above any of the other names mentioned IMO. Unless another top Manager comes in from left field, those 2 should be the short list.

One is in a job and one has history with us and it didn't end well. I can see why they are not just looking at 2 - can you imagine the wrath if we focused all of our attention on McInnes and he then said no I am staying at Killie (he said no to the Rangers job) - the board would be slated for not having a back up plan. I really don't get this comment about knowing the club and why that is a criteria for someone being a successful manager - I get it if its continuity, but we don't want continuity we want improvement so someone coming in afresh should not be a negative - if you read this board then the club has been under performing for ever and our last 3 managers all had varying levels of experience of Scottish Football.

[GloryGlory]

Don't like the way this is going one bit and I fear Hibs are going to make @rse of the of the manager appointment again.

We need a candidate who is experienced managing a club of our size, knows the club and the Scottish game and who can hit the ground running. This is no time for experiments. McInnes and Lennon are head and shoulders above any of the other names mentioned IMO. Unless another top Manager comes in from left field, those 2 should be the short list.

And how exactly is it going? Johnson only left 5 days ago.

[raeburnhibs]

Don't like the way this is going one bit and I fear Hibs are going to make @rse of the of the manager appointment again.

We need a candidate who is experienced managing a club of our size, knows the club and the Scottish game and who can hit the ground running. This is no time for experiments. McInnes and Lennon are head and shoulders above any of the other names mentioned IMO. Unless another top Manager comes in from left field, those 2 should be the short list.

This all sounds logical until you recall our legendary cup winning manager had no management experience, minimal knowledge of the club or the Scottish game

[JimBHibees]

This all sounds logical until you recall our legendary cup winning manager had no management experience, minimal knowledge of the club or the Scottish game

Stubbs had minimal knowledge of the Scottish game :confused:

[eastmainsmsh]

Derek Adams ? Or better wi Kaye ?

[LeithMike]

Stubbs had minimal knowledge of the Scottish game :confused:

Did I imagine those 5 years at Celtic in the 90s? Too much booze I expect.


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[raeburnhibs]

Stubbs had minimal knowledge of the Scottish game :confused:

he played here sure, but no specific coaching knowledge in Scottish context is the point.

[Donegal Hibby]

I still think Liam Manning would be a very good choice for us . He's managed in Belgium with a 46% win rate . Mk Dons 48% which is higher than both Mackay and Robinson.

He also coached at West Ham (under 23s ) . And his assistant is a ex Hibs player who knows the Scottish game . He's currently at Oxford who are top of the league ( I think ) .

Wither we'd get him or not is another matter though I'd rather use the £250,000 we need to release Robinson from his contract in an attempt to get him who's a better manager imo .

Actually surprised he's not getting mentioned for the Hibs job tbh .

[HFC93]

To summarise the reaction of Hibs fans over the past 63 pages of this thread.

Lennon – Nah no him
McInnes – No thanks
Montgomery - Not this time
Robinson – Nawww

Hopefully we can convince Pep to join us and keep everyone happy.

[HoboHarry]

Stubbs had minimal knowledge of the Scottish game :confused:
Both Stubbs and LJ played in Scotland albeit for different lengths of time.

[HoboHarry]

To summarise the reaction of Hibs fans over the past 63 pages of this thread.

Lennon – Nah no him
McInnes – No thanks
Montgomery - Not this time
Robinson – Nawww

Hopefully we can convince Pep to join us and keep everyone happy.
Wouldn't happen, after two weeks someone would say his running around the touchline wasn't Hibs class.

[WhileTheChief..]

We need a candidate who is experienced managing a club of our size, knows the club and the Scottish game and who can hit the ground running. This is no time for experiments. McInnes and Lennon are head and shoulders above any of the other names mentioned IMO. Unless another top Manager comes in from left field, those 2 should be the short list.

Agree with this.

Neither Robinson nor Montgomery have done nearly enough to be considered for the Hibs job. We need to aim higher.

[WhileTheChief..]

To summarise the reaction of Hibs fans over the past 63 pages of this thread.

Lennon – Nah no him
McInnes – No thanks
Montgomery - Not this time
Robinson – Nawww

Hopefully we can convince Pep to join us and keep everyone happy.

Eh? None of these names have everyone against them.

There's just as many people in favour of each as there are people saying nah.

[Unseen work]

Must admit the vast difference in opinions throughout the fan base shows just what a hard job the board have in selecting em who they want in charge.

[greenpaper55]

Every day that goes by makes it less likely that its Lennon, he is a free agent after being sacked last October so there is nothing to stop him from joining Hibs.

[04Sauzee]

Must admit the vast difference in opinions throughout the fan base shows just what a hard job the board have in selecting em who they want in charge.

It's probably easier when you know the budget you are working with, what applicants you have had and once you start talking to people within the game. We are just going off a couple of interview clips and how we think they set up their team 😃

[Onion]

To summarise the reaction of Hibs fans over the past 63 pages of this thread.

Lennon – Nah no him
McInnes – No thanks
Montgomery - Not this time
Robinson – Nawww

Hopefully we can convince Pep to join us and keep everyone happy.

Poll showed wide spread of views with McInness topping with only 30%, so hardly a shock there are disparate views. That doesn't mean the Chosen One won't get majority support when appointed. It's just that there is really no clear front runner.

[CapitalGreen]

Every day that goes by makes it less likely that its Lennon, he is a free agent after being sacked last October so there is nothing to stop him from joining Hibs.

Good

[JimBHibees]

he played here sure, but no specific coaching knowledge in Scottish context is the point.

Ok thought you were making separate points

[Haymaker]

I'll back any one who signs Leigh Griffiths.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'll back any one who signs Leigh Griffiths.

I'd have him as player / manager over Robinson TBH 😁

[Hibees1973]

Kensall & Ian Gordon were at the club when Ross was sacked, then both Maloney & Johnson appointed and sacked.

What makes anyone here think they will get it right this time.

Understand McDermott is around now, but any new manager of any credibility may not want to work with a DOF who was appointed by Kensall & Ian Gordon.

[Lancs Harp]

Kensall & Ian Gordon were at the club when Ross was sacked, then both Maloney & Johnson appointed and sacked.

What makes anyone here think they will get it right this time.

Understand McDermott is around now, but any new manager of any credibility may not want to work with a DOF who was appointed by Kensall & Ian Gordon.

BM is the key player in this appointment (one of the reasons why I think Lennon isnt in the picture - a new start and a McDermott man to be appointed)

Got faith in Brian hes got a good football brain.

[GreenPJ]

Kensall & Ian Gordon were at the club when Ross was sacked, then both Maloney & Johnson appointed and sacked.

What makes anyone here think they will get it right this time.

Understand McDermott is around now, but any new manager of any credibility may not want to work with a DOF who was appointed by Kensall & Ian Gordon.

So someone will ignore what McDermott has done in the game because Kensall and Gordon were in the building when they hired previous managers?

[bordergreen]

I still think Liam Manning would be a very good choice for us . He's managed in Belgium with a 46% win rate . Mk Dons 48% which is higher than both Mackay and Robinson.

He also coached at West Ham (under 23s ) . And his assistant is a ex Hibs player who knows the Scottish game . He's currently at Oxford who are top of the league ( I think

Wither we'd get him or not is another matter though I'd rather use the £250,000 we need to release Robinson from his contract in an attempt to get him who's a better manager imo .

Actually surprised he's not getting mentioned for the Hibs job tbh .

I don’t know anything about him, but from your summary, sounds exactly the kind of candidate we should be looking at. We can’t say they must be from the Scottish League, just because Johnson was clueless. That has a lot more to do with Johnson’s ability than lack of experience in Scotland.

[Alfred E Newman]

To summarise the reaction of Hibs fans over the past 63 pages of this thread.

Lennon – Nah no him
McInnes – No thanks
Montgomery - Not this time
Robinson – Nawww

Hopefully we can convince Pep to join us and keep everyone happy.
Lionesses manager - yes

[wookie70]

Poll showed wide spread of views with McInness topping with only 30%, so hardly a shock there are disparate views. That doesn't mean the Chosen One won't get majority support when appointed. It's just that there is really no clear front runner. It might be a more interesting poll to see who fans were dead set against. Hard to change opinions from don't want them here before they arrive. Not far off 1 in 3 fans want McInness so he is the clear favourite of who fans want but he may be also the manager most would least like. I think Lennon will top that but plenty I know would have McInnes as someone they would actually be against

[andrew_dundee]

To summarise the reaction of Hibs fans over the past 63 pages of this thread.

Lennon – Nah no him
McInnes – No thanks
Montgomery - Not this time
Robinson – Nawww

Hopefully we can convince Pep to join us and keep everyone happy.

Not sure I want Pep. I mean, what has he REALLY done in football?

[Mibbes Aye]

I still think Liam Manning would be a very good choice for us . He's managed in Belgium with a 46% win rate . Mk Dons 48% which is higher than both Mackay and Robinson.

He also coached at West Ham (under 23s ) . And his assistant is a ex Hibs player who knows the Scottish game . He's currently at Oxford who are top of the league ( I think ) .

Wither we'd get him or not is another matter though I'd rather use the £250,000 we need to release Robinson from his contract in an attempt to get him who's a better manager imo .

Actually surprised he's not getting mentioned for the Hibs job tbh .

:agree:

He's a manager on the up and his natural next move should be to get into a position where he is attracting attention from a serious promotion candidate in the English Championship.

If we dont get him this time then I think we will have missed our window, as he will find his way through taking Oxford up or doing well enough with them to get an offer from a lower-half Championship side. And then move upwards again.

There are definitely Eddie Howe vibes with him and to be honest it would be a breath of fresh air. Regardless of whatever qualities they may or may not have, the likes of Robinson, McInnes and Lennon are just so incredibly boring names to associate with the job. I want, nay, I demand a bit of panache and elan from the Board here. None of these Saturday Sportsound 'back of an envelope with a bookies pen' sedative selections.

I also really don't go with the "He gets Hibs" schtick that gets thrown about, but if thats important to some people then step up Liam Manning's number two - a former Hibs captain, Hibs cup winner, Hibs fans' player of the year and a guy who played with voncussion headaches for a month because he didnt want to lose his place in the Hibs side. He's got the love :greengrin

[Willis1875]

Not sure I want Pep. I mean, what has he REALLY done in football?

Doesn’t know Scottish football anyway

[Callum_62]

:agree:

He's a manager on the up and his natural next move should be to get into a position where he is attracting attention from a serious promotion candidate in the English Championship.

If we dont get him this time then I think we will have missed our window, as he will find his way through taking Oxford up or doing well enough with them to get an offer from a lower-half Championship side. And then move upwards again.

There are definitely Eddie Howe vibes with him and to be honest it would be a breath of fresh air. Regardless of whatever qualities they may or may not have, the likes of Robinson, McInnes and Lennon are just so incredibly boring names to associate with the job. I want, nay, I demand a bit of panache and elan from the Board here. None of these Saturday Sportsound 'back of an envelope with a bookies pen' sedative selections.

I also really don't go with the "He gets Hibs" schtick that gets thrown about, but if thats important to some people then step up Liam Manning's number two - a former Hibs captain, Hibs cup winner, Hibs fans' player of the year and a guy who played with voncussion headaches for a month because he didnt want to lose his place in the Hibs side. He's got the love :greengrinIs he on the up?

I don't know much about him tho in all honesty

Recent sacking from MK Dons

Following an awful start to the season that found his side in the relegation zone, Manning was sacked on 11 December 2022 having accumulated just fifteen points from twenty matches, six points from safety and only off the bottom on goal difference.[11]

Started well at Oxford this season to be fair

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[Donegal Hibby]

Is he on the up?

I don't know much about him tho in all honesty

Recent sacking from MK Dons

Following an awful start to the season that found his side in the relegation zone, Manning was sacked on 11 December 2022 having accumulated just fifteen points from twenty matches, six points from safety and only off the bottom on goal difference.[11]

Started well at Oxford this season to be fair

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I think he is on the up and if we don't get him now I don't think we will as he will end up at a championship team imo . Oxford finished 19th or 20th last season and I fully expect them to make the playoffs at least tbh .

He had a excellent first year at Mk Dons and what I was told ( which might be wrong btw ) he wasn't backed in his 2nd year , I don't know if he lost any players either .

Definitely the type of manager I'd be happy with if we were trying to get him and one I'd be excited about tbh .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Manning

[CapitalGreen]

Manning isn’t leaving Oxford at the top of League 1 to come to Scotland.

[JohnM1875]

Manning isn’t leaving Oxford at the top of League 1 to come to Scotland.

Crazy that's how far things have fallen eh? A manager is unlikely to leave Oxford Utd to come to Hibs. Only going to get worse as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

Manning isn’t leaving Oxford at the top of League 1 to come to Scotland.

Maybe , no harm in trying though. McInnes committed to Killie who I didn't think was going to happen . Personally hope it's Montgomery now or someone not mentioned yet .
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/next-hibernian-manager-derek-mcinnes-30842392

[Mibbes Aye]

Is he on the up?

I don't know much about him tho in all honesty

Recent sacking from MK Dons

Following an awful start to the season that found his side in the relegation zone, Manning was sacked on 11 December 2022 having accumulated just fifteen points from twenty matches, six points from safety and only off the bottom on goal difference.[11]

Started well at Oxford this season to be fair

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I had a look around at managers at that level before we appointed Johnson. He stood out then. I also had a trawl when the QPR job came up after they parted company with Warburton. It felt like a good fit for him but there were a number of candidates and QPR went a different route.

He has a solid background in youth development at a number of clubs, time with the City Group and his track record as a manager has been taking clubs and building them up into top of the table sides as the campaugn goes on.

The bit you got from Wiki misses out the fact he took MK Dons to the promotion play-offs the season before. It feels to me like their board were premature in getting rid. Despite a poor start to 22-23 he left Dons with a win % better than almost all Hibs managers since Turnbull - better than McLeish, Mowbray and Lennon.

I also took a look at the forums of the clubs he had been at, was with and was linked with. I was bored and it is easy to do in fairness, albeit the results are always going to be subjective and often exaggerated. Anyway, there was a lot of respect out there for him, seen as knowing his stuff and likes playing high-tempo, which I guess is a polite way of describing what Scottish football is like.

So, all in all, he seems to have a rep as a good coach and his (limited) track record shows him taking teams forward most of the time. He is young, I think he is ambitious and he will move up, because he's improved things at three different clubs of arguably the same level. That will give him purchase for a bigger club, that's the meritocratic nature of football.

Oh, and did I mention he comes with a free Chris Hogg :greengrin

[Mibbes Aye]

Manning isn’t leaving Oxford at the top of League 1 to come to Scotland.

Because?

[JohnM1875]

Think the only thing that'll get me excited about the upcoming season right now is if we appoint Montgomery as manager. Appreciate a others will want someone else.

Three games into the season and already bored with it. Has to be some kind of record.

[CapitalGreen]

Because?

Because it would be a highly unwise career move.

[Mibbes Aye]

Because it would be a highly unwise career move.

Why?

[Forza Fred]

Think the only thing that'll get me excited about the upcoming season right now is if we appoint Montgomery as manager. Appreciate a others will want someone else.

Three games into the season and already bored with it. Has to be some kind of record.

Wouldn’t say I’m bored with it but I do have the feeling already about this season that we will be battling for a 5th or 6th place finish.

[Silky]

Why?

He'll be emptied after a year or so. Not worth the bother

[badabing67]

Maybe , no harm in trying though. McInnes committed to Killie who I didn't think was going to happen . Personally hope it's Montgomery now or someone not mentioned yet .
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/next-hibernian-manager-derek-mcinnes-30842392

Yeah until Hearts come knocking. I felt he wouldn't be interested in us anyway, so it's is no surprise to me. My fear now though is Robinson is going to be a shoe in. Simply because he will under cut everyone and making him the cheapest option, by having the lowest wage demand, including the compo we would have to pay to get him. But coming to us will be a pay rise for him.

[Callum_62]

Yeah until Hearts come knocking. I felt he wouldn't be interested in us anyway, so it's is no surprise to me. My fear now though is Robinson is going to be a shoe in. Simply because he will under cut everyone and making him the cheapest option, by having the lowest wage demand, including the compo we would have to pay to get him. But coming to us will be a pay rise for him.Surely it would be a payrise for Montgomery too?

I doubt CCM are massive payers

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[badabing67]

Surely it would be a payrise for Montgomery too?

I doubt CCM are massive payers

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Lets hope so

[Mibbes Aye]

He'll be emptied after a year or so. Not worth the bother

Why would he be emptied after a year?

[Exuberance1875]

I really think we need someone who knows Scottish football so Montgomery is a massive gamble (I know every manager is, I guess)

[Brightside]

Give it to SDG now. He will get top 5. That’s fine with the squad we have.

[Silky]

Why would he be emptied after a year?

Why would he not? The average lifespan of a Hibs manager is not much more than that. If he failed to beat Hearts, didn't make a cup final or finish top 4 he'll be emptied.

[Exuberance1875]

Give it to SDG now. He will get top 5. That’s fine with the squad we have.

I actually think there’s a strong argument for just appointing him until the end of the season, we’ve sacked Lee Johnson at such a terrible time to try and bring someone in.

[JohnM1875]

I actually think there’s a strong argument for just appointing him until the end of the season, we’ve sacked Lee Johnson at such a terrible time to try and bring someone in.

I dunno man, I'm already struggling with this season. The last thing I need is to turn again SDG if he does a poor job. That might be it for me.

[1875godsgift]

I actually think there’s a strong argument for just appointing him until the end of the season, we’ve sacked Lee Johnson at such a terrible time to try and bring someone in.

Does he want to be manager though? I don;t think I've seen any indication from him that he does?

[Donegal Hibby]

Yeah until Hearts come knocking. I felt he wouldn't be interested in us anyway, so it's is no surprise to me. My fear now though is Robinson is going to be a shoe in. Simply because he will under cut everyone and making him the cheapest option, by having the lowest wage demand, including the compo we would have to pay to get him. But coming to us will be a pay rise for him.

I didn't think he would come to us too . I share your fears as well about Robinson and possibly Mackay too and I'm worried we will end up with one of them who imo aren't very good . It's said Robinson has a release clause of £250,000 .

Why not use that money on somebody decent like Liam Manning and maybe push the boat out for him or somebody of a higher standard than Robinson or Mackay ! .

If we can't get Manning or a higher standard manager then I'd be all for taking a gamble on covering maybe the next Tony mowbray . Nick Montgomery does interest me more than Robinson tbh .

[Mibbes Aye]

Why would he not?

Good answer :greengrin


average lifespan of a Hibs manager is not much more than that. If he failed to beat Hearts, didn't make a cup final or finish top 4 he'll be emptied.

There's been 16 Hibs managers this century. 4 have lasted less than a year. One of them was Terry Butcher who a lot of fans had been wanting appointed, one was Franck Sauzee who I think we all (or almost all) treat as an outlier.

The other two had win %s way below Manning's. You can say the SPFL is a higher standard - maybe - but that works both ways. He hasn't been managing in League One with the resources that a Hibs manager has.

The point is that whatever the 'average Hibs manager' achieves, then we want to be improving on that, raising the bar, raising what 'average' means.

I think we have a better chance of that with an ambitious young manager, with good experience of youth development, the appearance of some tactical acumen and a short but successful record with less to work with than he would at Hibs.

I will take that any day of the week over anyone from the 'write the shortlist in your sleep if you had ever listened to Sportsound' crowd.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Maybe , no harm in trying though. McInnes committed to Killie who I didn't think was going to happen . Personally hope it's Montgomery now or someone not mentioned yet .
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/next-hibernian-manager-derek-mcinnes-30842392

Pretty meaningless though. Managers linked with jobs say stuff like that all the time, usually about a week before they turn up at the club they are linked with with a scarf above their head.

Just musing here, but could it be our surprising / disappointing lack of activity in the last few days of the window means we are holding back what money we do have with a thought towards having to pay compensation for the manager we are thinking of. We will have had to pay compo to LJ and his team, but I doubt it will have sooked up every penny we raised from the UEFA prize money and TV and gate receipts from the Villa game, anywhere between 1 and 1.5 million quid going by the various back of a fag packet calculations I've seen.

Fair play to Hibs, not a peep about the manager search coming out of the club apart from the utterly unsurprising news that we are drawing up a shortlist.

[overdrive]

I've got a really bad feeling about this now for some reason. Especially after the lack of signings tonight.

[Scooter]

Give it to SDG now. He will get top 5. That’s fine with the squad we have.

That where I'm almost at

[hibees 7062]

Yep SDG , McGregor and Boozy dream team

[vercol36]

I’d like it to be Gray, but my money’s on Martindale or Stephen Bradley to be honest

[bingo70]

See there’s some guy called Martin Anselmi made it on to the Mcbookies betting odds at 16/1, same as SDG.

How would someone random like that make it onto the betting shortlist when there’s been literally no media speculation about him.

His agent stuck £50 on him to get his name being mentioned for jobs in the Uk or someone, somewhere knows something that’s prompted a small bet?

[Yellowcard]

Marvin Bartley and SDG until the end of the season

[Scooter]

Marvin Bartley and SDG until the end of the season

Marvin Bartley isn't going to leave a full time management job to take a job that's only until the end of the season

[Borderhibbie76]

I actually think there’s a strong argument for just appointing him until the end of the season, we’ve sacked Lee Johnson at such a terrible time to try and bring someone in.

Right now I wouldn't be against giving him and Daz it till Xmas - if the alternative is another panic appointment I'd rather we wait and let them try and steady the shop at least till Jan window

[GloryGlory]

I dunno man, I'm already struggling with this season. The last thing I need is to turn again SDG if he does a poor job. That might be it for me.

If Hibs brought in someone from another non Old Firm SPFL side, who'd only ever been an assistant coach third or fourth in the chain of command, this place would be in uproar. I'm not sure SDG really has the experience yet to take on the hot seat - maybe needs to go out somewhere else and develop further before he is ready.

[Callum_62]

Right now I wouldn't be against giving him and Daz it till Xmas - if the alternative is another panic appointment I'd rather we wait and let them try and steady the shop at least till Jan windowWhy do you think it's going to be a panic appointment?

If sdg and daz fail and need replaced at Xmas what difference would that be to now (except possibly more urgency if they failing)

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[LancsHibs]

Anyone considered James McPake? Doing a cracking job at Dunfermline

[Smartie]

Right now I wouldn't be against giving him and Daz it till Xmas - if the alternative is another panic appointment I'd rather we wait and let them try and steady the shop at least till Jan window

I think even they’d realise that they’d be on a hiding to nothing, with little to gain and everything to lose from such a situation with our current squad.

If either of them have designs on having the job in future, it would be career suicide.

[Bridge hibs]

Anyone considered James McPake? Doing a cracking job at Dunfermline

Really ? 6th in the Championship with 4 points out of 9

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I think even they’d realise that they’d be on a hiding to nothing, with little to gain and everything to lose from such a situation with our current squad.

If either of them have designs on having the job in future, it would be career suicide.

Maybe they are happier being coaches than a manager?

[theonlywayisup]

Anyone considered James McPake? Doing a cracking job at Dunfermline

Maybe he'll do the double! Relegation as a player and manager. Also, played in some of our most embarrassing defeats.

[Golden Bear]

Anyone considered James McPake? Doing a cracking job at Dunfermline

And unfairly dismissed from the Dundee job.

There are a lot worse "candidates" out there that's for sure.

[bingo70]

Really ? 6th in the Championship with 4 points out of 9

McInnes team finished 10th after promotion and people are falling over themselves to tell us that’s a good result for a promoted team. If Dunfermline consolidate their position as 6th would that not be a decent result for them?

He’s not going to get it so I wouldn’t worry too much about it, he wouldn’t be my choice either, does seem like he’s doing a good job at Dunfermline though.

[Greencore]

Anyone considered James McPake? Doing a cracking job at Dunfermline

Lol

[Bridge hibs]

McInnes team finished 10th after promotion and people are falling over themselves to tell us that’s a good result for a promoted team. If Dunfermline consolidate their position as 6th would that not be a decent result for them?

He’s not going to get it so I wouldn’t worry too much about it, he wouldn’t be my choice either, does seem like he’s doing a good job at Dunfermline though.Im not worried in the slightest, he may be doing a decent job at Dunfermline but I suppose the same could be said about one or two of those managing clubs currently above them. The championship is a tough league and kudos to any manager winning that league and leading their club into the top league

Would be ironic though if McPake took Dunfermline up and Dundee passed them on the way back down

[Montford]

Sick of taking punts on managerial prospects with maybe a good season behind them
Rinse and repeat and the same outcome every time
Those highlighted my Stubbs as an example of success should
should remember he couldn’t even get us past Falkirk in the play offs (and whilst I’ll forever hold him in high regard for the SCF in 2016, we got a very fortunate draw / path to the final, and had one of those days where everything clicked)
Lennon is the outstanding candidate so far being touted
A born winner with success wherever he goes. And I’d like to think that maybe he had finally matured and would be a more dignified manager at his next appointment. He certainly seems that way from recent tv exposure I have seen him in.
I also think Mackay would be a very shrewd appointed. He is obviously a very talented and experienced football manager who would easily take Hibernian FC to s much higher level. The only manager in the bottom 8 that sets his teams up to have a go at the Old Firm home and away. However his past would not sit well with many fans (and I get that).
But he has been nothing but an excellent ambassador and role model for County.
There’s also the caveat that if either were a success at Hibs you’d have security that they’d be happy to stay and build as opposed to being poached at the first attempt.

[Trinity Hibee]

Sick of taking punts on managerial prospects with maybe a good season behind them
Rinse and repeat and the same outcome every time
Those highlighted my Stubbs as an example of success should
should remember he couldn’t even get us past Falkirk in the play offs (and whilst I’ll forever hold him in high regard for the SCF in 2016, we got a very fortunate draw / path to the final, and had one of those days where everything clicked)
Lennon is the outstanding candidate so far being touted
A born winner with success wherever he goes. And I’d like to think that maybe he had finally matured and would be a more dignified manager at his next appointment. He certainly seems that way from recent tv exposure I have seen him in.
I also think Mackay would be a very shrewd appointed. He is obviously a very talented and experienced football manager who would easily take Hibernian FC to s much higher level. The only manager in the bottom 8 that sets his teams up to have a go at the Old Firm home and away. However his past would not sit well with many fans (and I get that).
But he has been nothing but an excellent ambassador and role model for County.
There’s also the caveat that if either were a success at Hibs you’d have security that they’d be happy to stay and build as opposed to being poached at the first attempt.

Never heard anyone describe our run in 2016 as fortunate before. We had Raith away, hearts away, the holders at ER and then DU who okay we’re on their way to being relegated then Rangers in the final.

How many times have we had easier draws than that and ducked it up. Plenty

[JimBHibees]

Never heard anyone describe our run in 2016 as fortunate before. We had Raith away, hearts away, the holders at ER and then DU who okay we’re on their way to being relegated then Rangers in the final.

How many times have we had easier draws than that and ducked it up. Plenty

Yep away to Hearts fortunate :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Why?

Because the Championship £millions await him.

[BoomtownHibees]

I’d like it to be Gray, but my money’s on Martindale or Stephen Bradley to be honest

I will take your bet

[BoomtownHibees]

Never heard anyone describe our run in 2016 as fortunate before. We had Raith away, hearts away, the holders at ER and then DU who okay we’re on their way to being relegated then Rangers in the final.

How many times have we had easier draws than that and ducked it up. Plenty

Add in an away trip to Inverness a couple of days after losing the League Cup final

[Montford]

Never heard anyone describe our run in 2016 as fortunate before. We had Raith away, hearts away, the holders at ER and then DU who okay we’re on their way to being relegated then Rangers in the final.

How many times have we had easier draws than that and ducked it up. Plenty
I
So Hearts (50/50) Raith Inverness and Dundee Utd (and avoid Celtic in the semi), I would take that every single year in every single cup competition
It’s the very essence of a fortunate draw.
A properly managed and ran Hibernian should be at least 2 to 3 levels above these clubs (Hearts excepted) based on our infrastructure, fan base and turnover

[Montford]

Add in an away trip to Inverness a couple of days after losing the League Cup final

Can’t believe Hibs fans are afraid of competing with Inverness
Shows how far we have fallen, and how abysmal our expectations are.

[JimBHibees]

I
So Hearts (50/50) Raith Inverness and Dundee Utd (and avoid Celtic in the semi), I would take that every single year in every single cup competition
It’s the very essence of a fortunate draw.
A properly managed and ran Hibernian should be at least 2 to 3 levels above these clubs (Hearts excepted) based on our infrastructure, fan base and turnover

So Hearts and Rangers to beat plus another team in a league above is fortunate. Fortunate is playing Gretna in the final not the draw we had.

[raeburnhibs]

I
So Hearts (50/50) Raith Inverness and Dundee Utd (and avoid Celtic in the semi), I would take that every single year in every single cup competition
It’s the very essence of a fortunate draw.
A properly managed and ran Hibernian should be at least 2 to 3 levels above these clubs (Hearts excepted) based on our infrastructure, fan base and turnover

at it

[raeburnhibs]

I
So Hearts (50/50) Raith Inverness and Dundee Utd (and avoid Celtic in the semi), I would take that every single year in every single cup competition
It’s the very essence of a fortunate draw.
A properly managed and ran Hibernian should be at least 2 to 3 levels above these clubs (Hearts excepted) based on our infrastructure, fan base and turnover

at it

[Caversham Green]

I
So Hearts (50/50) Raith Inverness and Dundee Utd (and avoid Celtic in the semi), I would take that every single year in every single cup competition
It’s the very essence of a fortunate draw.
A properly managed and ran Hibernian should be at least 2 to 3 levels above these clubs (Hearts excepted) based on our infrastructure, fan base and turnover

A Championship club beats another Championship club and three top tier clubs on their way to the final and you think they got a lucky draw?

[Just_Jimmy]

Sick of taking punts on managerial prospects with maybe a good season behind them
Rinse and repeat and the same outcome every time
Those highlighted my Stubbs as an example of success should
should remember he couldn’t even get us past Falkirk in the play offs (and whilst I’ll forever hold him in high regard for the SCF in 2016, we got a very fortunate draw / path to the final, and had one of those days where everything clicked)
Lennon is the outstanding candidate so far being touted
A born winner with success wherever he goes. And I’d like to think that maybe he had finally matured and would be a more dignified manager at his next appointment. He certainly seems that way from recent tv exposure I have seen him in.
I also think Mackay would be a very shrewd appointed. He is obviously a very talented and experienced football manager who would easily take Hibernian FC to s much higher level. The only manager in the bottom 8 that sets his teams up to have a go at the Old Firm home and away. However his past would not sit well with many fans (and I get that).
But he has been nothing but an excellent ambassador and role model for County.
There’s also the caveat that if either were a success at Hibs you’d have security that they’d be happy to stay and build as opposed to being poached at the first attempt.Thankfully you're not in charge of the appointment


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[Broken Gnome]

Can’t believe Hibs fans are afraid of competing with Inverness
Shows how far we have fallen, and how abysmal our expectations are.

Hey, Inverness only need nine men to knock Hearts out the cup despite being 2-1 down in the 94th minute. Fearsome.

[Springbank]

If ever anyone says "why can't fan ownership work in professional football?" I'll show them this page of this thread.

Here's Reality (at least as I see it) versus Fan View

Reality -
Hibs have sacked Lee Johnson
Appointed an interim manager til the international break (David Gray)
That gives the club hierarchy time to weigh up candidates, undertake interviews (maybe for international candidates too, so checking visas etc)
The new appointment won't be til the international break
The club made that clear in appointing Gray for the Villa and Aberdeen games
It's the opposite of panic, it's planning - that's the part the club can control (and is doing a decent job of, so far, IMO)

Meanwhile candidates / would-be applicants start to tout themselves on TV, on podcasts OR do the time-worn thing of publicly saying how happy they are in their current job (because, I mean, why would you say anything different?) And that is the part the club can't control (no club can)

Fan Perception -
It'll be a panic appointment

I despair....

[Montford]

at it

Raith Turnover - £1 million
Inverness - £800,000
Dundee Utd- £8million

Hibs £13 million

Hardly at it
The disparity between Hibs and Inverness is as big as Hibs and Villa
We’ve been using it as an excuse all week.

[BoomtownHibees]

Inverness - £800,000
Hibs £13 million

The disparity between Hibs and Inverness is as big as Hibs and Villa


No sure you’ve thought this one through

[Broken Gnome]

Raith Turnover - £1 million
Inverness - £800,000
Dundee Utd- £8million

Hibs £13 million

Hardly at it
The disparity between Hibs and Inverness is as big as Hibs and Villa
We’ve been using it as an excuse all week.

I think you'll find with a little bit of added context that it's not...

With that, 2016 being fortunate and Malky Mackay OBVIOUSLY capable of taking Hibs up several levels, this is a corker of a Saturday morning.

[weecounty hibby]

Raith Turnover - £1 million
Inverness - £800,000
Dundee Utd- £8million

Hibs £13 million

Hardly at it
The disparity between Hibs and Inverness is as big as Hibs and Villa
We’ve been using it as an excuse all week.

No it's not, absolutely nothing like it.

[Caversham Green]

Raith Turnover - £1 million
Inverness - £800,000
Dundee Utd- £8million

Hibs £13 million

Hardly at it
The disparity between Hibs and Inverness is as big as Hibs and Villa
We’ve been using it as an excuse all week.

Incorrect. Hibs turnover for the year ended 31 July 2015 was £5.6m. It went up to £7m the following year because they won the Scottish Cup beating three clubs from a higher league (including the holders of said cup) and "Rangers" on the way.

Raeburn's right IMO.

[HendoDelivered]

I’d like it to be Gray, but my money’s on Martindale or Stephen Bradley to be honest

Don’t bet too much money would be my advice

[Unseen work]

Don’t bet too much money would be my advice

What you thinking/heard?

I’m actually surprised Bradley hasn’t been mentioned more. Done a really good job over in Ireland, young manager and knows Brian McDermott really well.

[Donegal Hibby]

Because the Championship £millions await him.

That's if he gets to the championship D . He missed out by one point the last time and even if he does he's going to need the championship £millions even to have the smallest chance to keep Oxford in that league . Still think if Hibs were to move now they might have a chance in getting him.

[Hibbyradge]

That's if he gets to the championship D . He missed out by one point the last time and even if he does he's going to need the championship £millions even to have the smallest chance to keep Oxford in that league . Still think if Hibs were to move now they might have a chance in getting him.

He's got a better chance of getting to the Championship with Oxford, none with Hibs. No chance he'll move.

[007]

Raith Turnover - £1 million
Inverness - £800,000
Dundee Utd- £8million

Hibs £13 million

Hardly at it
The disparity between Hibs and Inverness is as big as Hibs and Villa
We’ve been using it as an excuse all week.

You conveniently forgot to quote Hearts' and Rangers' turnover.

[Seafield Scott]

Personally I would have prevailed with Lee for longer - we're too quick to get rid of managers - look at Heckingbottom since he left us !! However, the decision has been made and so we move on...

I would go after Steven Schumacher at Plymouth Argyle.

Chances we would get him may be very slim but he's the type we should be after. Can work wonders with a limited budget and develops young talent.

Argyle have a similar budget to us, crowds similar and he managed to lead them to promotion to the English Championship. Be under no illusion - for Argyle to have a successful season this year will simply be to remain in the league. I would expect them to be be fighting off relegation next May but they've had a reasonable start so far - 2 matches where they lost extratime goals against Southampton & Birmingham would have had them firmly near the top end of the league and not mid-table just now.


Despite our Scottish perceptions/prejudices of English football, and the money surrounding it, Argyle only get £7m from TV being in the Championship. That'll take their Turnover to approx £19m-£20m this season which isn't astronomically higher than ours. Their model is typically to pick up freebies, very low fees (signed Connor Hazard from Celtic for £150k and is playing really well atm) and loans but pay them the division going rate for salaries. With this season's challenge they stretched their playing budget and bought 2 very successful loanees from last season each for £1m (Mumba & Whittaker) and have signed 5 loanees.

We should keep an eye on him for after we sack the next guy come the end of this season !!

[Northernhibee]

Personally I would have prevailed with Lee for longer - we're too quick to get rid of managers - look at Heckingbottom since he left us !! However, the decision has been made and so we move on...

I would go after Steven Schumacher at Plymouth Argyle.

Chances we would get him may be very slim but he's the type we should be after. Can work wonders with a limited budget and develops young talent.

Argyle have a similar budget to us, crowds similar and he managed to lead them to promotion to the English Championship. Be under no illusion - for Argyle to have a successful season this year will simply be to remain in the league. I would expect them to be be fighting off relegation next May but they've had a reasonable start so far - 2 matches where they lost extratime goals against Southampton & Birmingham would have had them firmly near the top end of the league and not mid-table just now.


Despite our Scottish perceptions/prejudices of English football, and the money surrounding it, Argyle only get £7m from TV being in the Championship. That'll take their Turnover to approx £19m-£20m this season which isn't astronomically higher than ours. Their model is typically to pick up freebies, very low fees (signed Connor Hazard from Celtic for £150k and is playing really well atm) and loans but pay them the division going rate for salaries. With this season's challenge they stretched their playing budget and bought 2 very successful loanees from last season each for £1m (Mumba & Whittaker) and have signed 5 loanees.

We should keep an eye on him for after we sack the next guy come the end of this season !!

That’s a bold choice.

[HendoDelivered]

What you thinking/heard?

I’m actually surprised Bradley hasn’t been mentioned more. Done a really good job over in Ireland, young manager and knows Brian McDermott really well.

Nothing but the poster said his money was on Martindale as well as Bradley. There’s no way DM will get the Hibs gig. Bradley maybe more realistic of the two but defo wont be Martindale. Thats more what I was referring to, UW.

[Broken Gnome]

No one is leaving an English Championship club to move to Hibs. Budget, salary, profile, proximity to the Premiership, natural connection to the English game for most... why would they?

[Donegal Hibby]

He's got a better chance of getting to the Championship with Oxford, none with Hibs. No chance he'll move.

Fair enough mate . One I'd like us to at least try for though . I read this a wee while ago the Irish lad feels me with fear tbh .
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/hibs-manager-latest-stephen-bradley-27639735

[Callum_62]

Looks like Montgomery will make the shortlist unless CCM play funny buggers

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/11177761/hibs-enquiry-central-coast-mariners-nick-montgomery/

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[Seafield Scott]

That’s a bold choice.

:top marks

For some reason it would not allow me to 'un-bolden' the text. Just glad it wasn't in Capitals otherwise I'd have been accused of shouting at everyone

[JohnM1875]

Looks like Montgomery will make the shortlist unless CCM play funny buggers

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/11177761/hibs-enquiry-central-coast-mariners-nick-montgomery/

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Think they might. Wasn't there an article about their owner thinking Montgomery is destined for the EPL and wouldn't let him leave earlier in the year? Think I read something like that.

[Kato]

I
So Hearts (50/50) Raith Inverness and Dundee Utd (and avoid Celtic in the semi), I would take that every single year in every single cup competition
It’s the very essence of a fortunate draw.
A properly managed and ran Hibernian should be at least 2 to 3 levels above these clubs (Hearts excepted) based on our infrastructure, fan base and turnover"Should" doesn't cut it when the actual circumstances are laid out as they where.

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[Unseen work]

If we get Montgomery then we 100% need his assistant too.

He has been credited with signing a couple of their players through his contacts. Has coached all round the world, including at Benfica (might even make Tavares look good as he’ll know him 🤣)

[Unseen work]

Think they might. Wasn't there an article about their owner thinking Montgomery is destined for the EPL and wouldn't let him leave earlier in the year? Think I read something like that.

Money talks ultimately and Montgomery had allegedly expressed his interest so hopefully they won’t stand in his way after all he has done

[bingo70]

Think they might. Wasn't there an article about their owner thinking Montgomery is destined for the EPL and wouldn't let him leave earlier in the year? Think I read something like that.

I don’t think so. I listened to an old podcast the other day and he said he was given permission to speak to Motherwell so he had a chat with them then decided it wasn’t the job for him to turned it down.

FWIW at the risk of sounding pedantic, I don’t think their owner should be accused of playing funny buggers either, he’s their manager and they’re perfectly entitled to ask for what they feel is a fair figure. If we can’t afford that then so be it.

[Kato]

I want Montgomery but only because he looks like a young Hugh Shaw.

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[Nicho87]

Don’t like sound of it

Not what hibs need.

I’m still very much mcinnes or Lennon

Hibs need no nonsense with a proven record in the league

[bingo70]

Don’t like sound of it

Not what hibs need.

I’m still very much mcinnes or Lennon

Hibs need no nonsense with a proven record in the league

We need a good manager, it’s as simple as that.

Knowing Scottish football doesn’t offer any further guarantees, Dundee Utd appointed two managers proven in Scottish football last season and got relegated. Their manager before that was unproven in Scottish football and got Europe.

You’re looking for a safe bet when there isn’t such a thing.

[Greencore]

I used to want mcinnis and then lennon but now I'm for montgomery. Just watching a couple of YouTube clips of ccm their style of play is fast passing. Fast tempo.

[greenpaper55]

Don’t like sound of it

Not what hibs need.

I’m still very much mcinnes or Lennon

Hibs need no nonsense with a proven record in the league

They have both been sacked by Scottish clubs ! We don’t need another failure.

[Onion]

IMO McInnes is the stand out candidate and should be our No 1 target. We need someone who has the gravitas to shake this club out of its malaise. Anyone else, other than perhaps Lennon, will feel like rinse and repeat of last 2 appointments.

[Smartie]

Incorrect. Hibs turnover for the year ended 31 July 2015 was £5.6m. It went up to £7m the following year because they won the Scottish Cup beating three clubs from a higher league (including the holders of said cup) and "Rangers" on the way.

Raeburn's right IMO.

I absolutely adore the passive aggressive inverted commas either side of Rangers in this post.

[Skol]

I understand why some people want mcinnes although I don’t agree. However I am Puzzled by anyone who wants Lennon with the knowledge of the way his previous stint ended as well as the baggage he brings with him.

[Forza Fred]

I want Montgomery but only because he looks like a young Hugh Shaw.

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:greengrin

[Just_Jimmy]

If ever anyone says "why can't fan ownership work in professional football?" I'll show them this page of this thread.

Here's Reality (at least as I see it) versus Fan View

Reality -
Hibs have sacked Lee Johnson
Appointed an interim manager til the international break (David Gray)
That gives the club hierarchy time to weigh up candidates, undertake interviews (maybe for international candidates too, so checking visas etc)
The new appointment won't be til the international break
The club made that clear in appointing Gray for the Villa and Aberdeen games
It's the opposite of panic, it's planning - that's the part the club can control (and is doing a decent job of, so far, IMO)

Meanwhile candidates / would-be applicants start to tout themselves on TV, on podcasts OR do the time-worn thing of publicly saying how happy they are in their current job (because, I mean, why would you say anything different?) And that is the part the club can't control (no club can)

Fan Perception -
It'll be a panic appointment

I despair....Stop being so rational.

Put your underpants on your head and pencils in your nostrils and repeat after me...

Neil lennon bad
Neil lennon good...

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[Just_Jimmy]

That’s a bold choice.Beat me... you scoundrel [emoji1787]

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[AlbertK86]

Yep SDG , McGregor and Boozy dream team

I think if it was going to be SDG he would’ve got a couple of loans in.

Think it’s significant that we didn’t as until we appoint someone prospective loans and their clubs wont have been willing to commit


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[Lago]

Bit of desperation creeping in with the Gray for manger chat supported by McGregor, David Gray has had at least 3 temporary appointments and I've yet to see anything that would convince me he's the man for the job. Big big no for me.

[Mibbes Aye]

He's got a better chance of getting to the Championship with Oxford, none with Hibs. No chance he'll move.

I think they are two feasible routes but I think he/we need to look at the outcome first, not the enablers.

If the end goal is managing a good EPL side, which seems a fair assumption, then his route there is probably along the lines of moving there from a weaker EPL side who he has had playing above themselves. Even then that’s going to take good fortune.

To get to that weaker EPL side then the likeliest route is through taking a Championship side up and over-performing, or at least staying up. Again, not simple as the Championship promotion scene is ridiculously competitive.

To get to a plausible promotion-seeking Championship side he needs another stepping stone. Going up with Oxford could be that but it is not a guarantee. It is nearly impossible to see them being a competitive promotion candidate in the Championship. He would need another move.

Coming to Scotland, where there is a potential chance, if not an expectation, of showing how you manage to compete through to the business end of the season (in our case, chasing a European spot) could be that move, that gets him a top-half Cha,pionship post.

I’m always wary of saying Hibs are better than (insert name of many teams we can’t really pretend to be better than). But on most metrics we have more to offer a coach, even an ambitious one, than Oxford United. Notwithstanding their glory days in the mid-Eighties :greengrin

[HFC93]

Gray has been part of three failed managers coaching teams but always keeps his job. It's a cozy gig for him and he always avoids criticism because he's a legend. I'm sure he's in no rush to give up his gurateed job for life.

[Gmack7]

Surprised Billy Reid isn't under consideration, been assistant at decent clubs and has experience in Scotland Belgium and England

[Bridge hibs]

Wheres Pardew ? A poster claimed he was to be announced last Thursday 😀

[Just_Jimmy]

Gray has been part of three failed managers coaching teams but always keeps his job. It's a cozy gig for him and he always avoids criticism because he's a legend. I'm sure he's in no rush to give up his gurateed job for life.Hibs could pay David Gray to sit watching re runs of his favourite tv show for all I care.

Job for life is the least we can do for him.

Fwiw he's never let hibs down in any capacity so it's on merit anyway

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[The Harp Awakes]

Don’t like sound of it

Not what hibs need.

I’m still very much mcinnes or Lennon

Hibs need no nonsense with a proven record in the league

100% this. We don't need experiments at this time. Even if Montgomery came and was a success, and I doubt he would be, he'd be off to an English Championship club in jig time. We need a Manager with proven SPL experience at least to see their contract out. We need some stability at this time. Don't want to be back to square 1 in a year.

[HFC93]

Hibs could pay David Gray to sit watching re runs of his favourite tv show for all I care.

Job for life is the least we can do for him.

Fwiw he's never let hibs down in any capacity so it's on merit anyway

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As a former defender I presume he has been responsible for coaching our famous watertight defence. He's obviously doing a smashing job. I'm a great believer on hiring the best person for the job opposed to sentiment.

[The Harp Awakes]

As a former defender I presume he has been responsible for coaching our famous watertight defence. He's obviously doing a smashing job. I'm a great believer on hiring the best person for the job opposed to sentiment.

Spot on.

[Daily Hibs]

Hibs could pay David Gray to sit watching re runs of his favourite tv show for all I care.

Job for life is the least we can do for him.

Fwiw he's never let hibs down in any capacity so it's on merit anyway

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That really takes the club forward.

I'd personally rather all the 2016 players who are likely to become coaches learned coaching in the lower leagues and came back when they are ready.

The club needs to move forward and stop reverting back to the 2016 comfort blanket IMO. It is now holding us back.

[Just Alf]

As a former defender I presume he has been responsible for coaching our famous watertight defence. He's obviously doing a smashing job. I'm a great believer on hiring the best person for the job opposed to sentiment.
I'm assuming you've not read to 40 or 50 odd posts where it's been pointed out he's not in any way responsible for the defensive coaching :-)


He's the set piece coach and from what was posted previously, stats wise we were 2nd only to Celtc last season on that aspect.


Edit: that's not to say I'd be touting him for manager mind... I think we need someone with a bit more experience

[ScottB]

As a former defender I presume he has been responsible for coaching our famous watertight defence. He's obviously doing a smashing job. I'm a great believer on hiring the best person for the job opposed to sentiment.

He’s set piece coach, which we were actually good at last season.

[Daily Hibs]

As a former defender I presume he has been responsible for coaching our famous watertight defence. He's obviously doing a smashing job. I'm a great believer on hiring the best person for the job opposed to sentiment.
Well said. It's clear Gray has one of the most comfortable jobs at the club.

It's unbelievable that our defence is now even weaker than it was last season. Some great coaching and assumptions that the same players are still good enough. They aren't.

[04Sauzee]

Well said. It's clear Gray has one of the most comfortable jobs at the club.

It's unbelievable that our defence is now even weaker than it was last season. Some great coaching and assumptions that the same players are still good enough. They aren't.

Assumptions that he's our defensive coach?

[Bridge hibs]

As a former defender I presume he has been responsible for coaching our famous watertight defence. He's obviously doing a smashing job. I'm a great believer on hiring the best person for the job opposed to sentiment.

Gray is a coach but not a defensive coach which has been explained numerous times on this forum

[007]

Surprised Kettlewell has gone under the radar so much, 14 wins 5 draws and only 3 defeats yet his name is barely mentioned on here or in the media. That will change when Motherwell win at Tynie tomorrow.

[CropleyWasGod]

Well said. It's clear Gray has one of the most comfortable jobs at the club.

It's unbelievable that our defence is now even weaker than it was last season. Some great coaching and assumptions that the same players are still good enough. They aren't.

See the post above yours :greengrin

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