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Hibee87
28-08-2023, 03:42 PM
Patrick Viera anyone, whats he up to these days.
Went to France I think a few month back
Edit Strasbourg at the start of July
HoboHarry
28-08-2023, 03:43 PM
Not sure this story has much Legs
It actually does, he said to Ben I Gotsta get Paid.....
HendoDelivered
28-08-2023, 03:44 PM
Montgomery from CMM being considered according to Scott Burns
A Hi-Bee
28-08-2023, 03:45 PM
Went to France I think a few month back
Edit Strasbourg at the start of July
Just seen that cheers, oh well on to the next one.
A Hi-Bee
28-08-2023, 03:46 PM
Montgomery from CMM being considered according to Scott Burns
Good wee team but not sure he would give up the central coast for Edinburgh.
Renfrew_Hibby
28-08-2023, 03:52 PM
Good wee team but not sure he would give up the central coast for Edinburgh.
Lot of good young footballers down under...
bingo70
28-08-2023, 03:53 PM
Montgomery from CMM being considered according to Scott Burns
That’s one I would find really exciting.
Hopefully true
Bridge hibs
28-08-2023, 03:54 PM
Good wee team but not sure he would give up the central coast for Edinburgh.
Didnt he knock back Motherwell last year as didnt want to uproot his family from Australia ?
A Hi-Bee
28-08-2023, 03:58 PM
Didnt he knock back Motherwell last year as didnt want to uproot his family from Australia ?
Think it was the owner who fought to keep him in Aus, saying he can manage in the EPL one day not the SPL.
6-2MAGIC
28-08-2023, 04:00 PM
Forget people like Defoe, already went down that road with someone like Maloney. We need a manager with a bit of experience and give these players a good kick up the arse. It's still early in the season to hopefully get someone in and give us a good chance of making this season somewhat acceptable.
Bridge hibs
28-08-2023, 04:01 PM
Think it was the owner who fought to keep him in Aus, saying he can manage in the EPL one day not the SPL.
Yes you are right mate 👍
Mariners boss Montgomery was on a three-man shortlist for the Motherwell job prior to Hammell's appointment as manager. And the Australian club's owner Peil claims Fir Park chiefs even made an approach for the 40-year-old. But he insists he never had any intention of allowing Montgomery to make the move to the SPFL and instead sees a future for him in English football.
He said: "Monty knows we are on a three-year plan and I was never going to let him go. We were pleased by their approach because it shows what Monty and (assistant) Sergio Raimundo are doing here is something special.
"But I was always going to fight tooth and nail to keep him in Australia. I never had any intention of supporting him going to the SPL.
Unseen work
28-08-2023, 04:04 PM
Know next to nothing about Montgomery but he certainly sounds an interesting one going by that article.
Low budget but won the league.
Most the players mentioned in the article that he had in his team would probably all walk into ours. Would likely have good knowledge of players all across Australia/Asia.
Played in England and I imagine the players he looks at for CCM would be similar to what we look at
Wonder what Lewis miller thinks of him
badabing67
28-08-2023, 04:05 PM
Neil Lennon on PLZ soccer podcast with Peter Martin, roughie and tam McManus at 4pm. Can watch live on YouTube.
Could be interesting
Missed it was there anything interesting
Trinity Hibee
28-08-2023, 04:08 PM
Missed it was there anything interesting
It’s on at 7
Patrick Viera anyone, whats he up to these days.
He got the Strasbourg gig that Geraerts was also linked with.
Paulie Walnuts
28-08-2023, 04:14 PM
Just passing on a little tidbit I heard while working (I’m involved in media, not in sport). McDermott recently met with Jermaine Defoe. The conversation was about the coaching structure at hibs, with Defoe eager to learn from him. He is a fan of McDermott’s work elsewhere and was apparently full of praise for the club. Gained a lot of respect while at Rangers. Apparently a few weeks before the sacking. Don’t shoot the messenger, genuinely just passing on what I was told.
Whether it was you that posted it or not I can’t remember but someone else has mentioned this on here recently.
badabing67
28-08-2023, 04:17 PM
It’s on at 7
:aok:
Bostonhibby
28-08-2023, 04:18 PM
I know nothing, but am thinking Callum Davidson could be the sort of guy we need at a time like this.
When he was properly backed at Saints he knew how to set up a team not to get beat, givingvthem a platform for success, won a couple of trophies and knows the Scottish game well enough?
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badabing67
28-08-2023, 04:18 PM
Know next to nothing about Montgomery but he certainly sounds an interesting one going by that article.
Low budget but won the league.
Most the players mentioned in the article that he had in his team would probably all walk into ours. Would likely have good knowledge of players all across Australia/Asia.
Played in England and I imagine the players he looks at for CCM would be similar to what we look at
Wonder what Lewis miller thinks of him
Wonder what he thinks of Lewis Miller
ChuckNor
28-08-2023, 04:20 PM
Whether it was you that posted it or not I can’t remember but someone else has mentioned this on here recently.
It wasn’t me who posted it before and never even knew. Must be something to it.
04Sauzee
28-08-2023, 04:20 PM
I know nothing, but am thinking Callum Davidson could be the sort of guy we need at a time like this.
When he was properly backed at Saints he knew how to set up a team not to get beat, givingvthem a platform for success, won a couple of trophies and knows the Scottish game well enough?
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Not for me sorry.
sauzeelegod
28-08-2023, 04:21 PM
I know nothing, but am thinking Callum Davidson could be the sort of guy we need at a time like this.
When he was properly backed at Saints he knew how to set up a team not to get beat, givingvthem a platform for success, won a couple of trophies and knows the Scottish game well enough?
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Stop it.
Bostonhibby
28-08-2023, 04:22 PM
Not for me sorry.No need to apologise, the club won't be asking for my opinion [emoji23] I only ever hear when they are trying to sell me something these days.
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Paulie Walnuts
28-08-2023, 04:25 PM
It wasn’t me who posted it before and never even knew. Must be something to it.
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I don’t think McDermott would take the job. I listened to a podcast recently, I think it may have been the Jermaine Defoe one about him trying to get into management and he spent some time speaking to McDermott about the ins and outs of the job. McDermott spoke really honestly about the stresses he ended up under whilst trying to manage a football club, where his mental health really suffered and I think he ended up using alcohol as a coping mechanism and fell into depression. For that reason and the age that he’s at I think he’s got no need to or desire to get back into management.”
Was the post. So maybe not as Hibs centric as your version but it sounds like they definitely have met up. Was posted by a poster BeansOnToast on the New Manager Needed Now thread.
Donegal Hibby
28-08-2023, 04:27 PM
Nick Montgomery is a interesting one tbf .
Wonder what style of football his team plays ? .
Watched this interview he was in .
https://youtu.be/uVJ-krry-l8?si=YfXbbKNw192l2ncD
HendoDelivered
28-08-2023, 04:33 PM
Forza Hibs is the person to ask about NM
HendoDelivered
28-08-2023, 04:36 PM
Nick Montgomery is a interesting one tbf .
Wonder what style of football his team plays ? .
Watched this interview he was in .
https://youtu.be/uVJ-krry-l8?si=YfXbbKNw192l2ncD
Players clearly adored him https://youtube.com/shorts/XUoFb0xJl2M?si=S3Y2NRXi70DVoU8Q
JohnM1875
28-08-2023, 04:43 PM
Players clearly adored him https://youtube.com/shorts/XUoFb0xJl2M?si=S3Y2NRXi70DVoU8Q
I'm on board. Get him in!
erin go bragh
28-08-2023, 05:02 PM
@mcbookie at 28/08Neil Lennon 4/1
Derek Mcinnes 5/1
David Gray 6/1
Stephen Robinson 7/1
Danny Cowley 8/1
John Kennedy 10/1
Nick Montgomery 10/1
Stevie Evans 10/1
Chris Wilder 12/1
Scott Brown 12/1
Stephen Bradley 12/1
Marvin Bartley 14/1
Darren Moore 16/1
Malbec
28-08-2023, 05:04 PM
Tony Pullis would fit the bill. His Wikipedia page says "Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets and also maintains the proud record of never being relegated as a player, coach or manager.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-vital-3) Throughout his managerial career Pulis has used the long ball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_ball) style of play, and been known for placing an emphasis on defence and utilising set-pieces to pose a goal threat.[140] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-140)[141] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-:3-141) He has a reputation for securing safety for struggling clubs, giving him a "Red Adair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Adair)" type image which he finds frustrating"
Wilson
28-08-2023, 05:07 PM
Tony Pullis would fit the bill. His Wikipedia page says "Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets and also maintains the proud record of never being relegated as a player, coach or manager.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-vital-3) Throughout his managerial career Pulis has used the long ball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_ball) style of play, and been known for placing an emphasis on defence and utilising set-pieces to pose a goal threat.[140] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-140)[141] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-:3-141) He has a reputation for securing safety for struggling clubs, giving him a "Red Adair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Adair)" type image which he finds frustrating"
Sorry? Fits what bill?
Since90+2
28-08-2023, 05:09 PM
Tony Pullis would fit the bill. His Wikipedia page says "Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets and also maintains the proud record of never being relegated as a player, coach or manager.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-vital-3) Throughout his managerial career Pulis has used the long ball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_ball) style of play, and been known for placing an emphasis on defence and utilising set-pieces to pose a goal threat.[140] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-140)[141] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Pulis#cite_note-:3-141) He has a reputation for securing safety for struggling clubs, giving him a "Red Adair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Adair)" type image which he finds frustrating"
Miller would definitely get a game if Pullis was manager.
I can't stick Stephen Robinson , comes across as a totally dislikeable character . Didn't like the carry on he was acquitted for either , think there was more to it ! Would I support him if he was Hibs manager ? No and that's even if he was winning games TBH .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8055731/Motherwell-boss-Stephen-Robinson-did-not-assault-partner-admits-acting-like-idiot.html
Dud you actually read that link, he was acquitted and she was unhappy it even went to court, both of them denied all accusations against him.
04Sauzee
28-08-2023, 05:32 PM
Ryan Stevenson resigns from Glentoran the day after the Hibs job becomes available, coincidence 🤔😂
Donegal Hibby
28-08-2023, 05:33 PM
Dud you actually read that link, he was acquitted and she was unhappy it even went to court, both of them denied all accusations against him.
Of course I read it that's why I said acquitted in my post mate . You don't normally end up in court for no reason imo ., Yes he was acquitted though I don't think it good reflection on him TBH . Personally I really don't like him and hope he's nowhere near the Hibs job .
HendoDelivered
28-08-2023, 05:33 PM
Video not out yet but apparently Lennon confirms he would interested in the Hibs job on PLZ soccer.
S4uzee
28-08-2023, 05:35 PM
Video not out yet but apparently Lennon confirms he would interested in the Hibs job on PLZ soccer.
Manoeuvred a way out. No thanks
Trinity Hibee
28-08-2023, 05:35 PM
Video not out yet but apparently Lennon confirms he would interested in the Hibs job on PLZ soccer.
I’d prefer mcinnes but for some reason this got me a bit excited
Malbec
28-08-2023, 05:36 PM
Sorry? Fits what bill?. bringing stability - starting with the defence and a no nonsense approach to managing the players.
tonyrougier123
28-08-2023, 05:36 PM
Mackay or mcinness either will do.
Hope it’s swift as well.
Wilson
28-08-2023, 05:37 PM
Mackay or mcinness either will do.
Hope it’s swift as well.
What experience does she have in football?
brydekirk
28-08-2023, 05:38 PM
Neil Lennon.
On PLZ at 7pm admits intrest in the Hibs job.
tonyrougier123
28-08-2023, 05:39 PM
What experience does she have in football?
Maybe none but it’s been a cruel summer and we need to shed the bad blood!😝
Wilson
28-08-2023, 05:40 PM
. bringing stability - starting with the defence and a no nonsense approach to managing the players.
Oh right. You lost me with the long ball tactics and low budget (ours being relatively large for the division). It sounded the opposite of what we want - i see what you mean regarding stability though.
On PLZ at 7pm admits intrest in the Hibs job.
Do for me
The Green Sea
28-08-2023, 05:41 PM
Lennon is a mentally fragile individual who would be great if things are going well, otherwise when the going gets tough he really struggles. So no thanks.
GreenGray
28-08-2023, 05:42 PM
Do people actually feel okay? Lennon?!
Are they forgetting the mess he left us in ?
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Since452
28-08-2023, 05:43 PM
Do people actually feel okay? Lennon?!
Are they forgetting the mess he left us in ?
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Madness eh
GreenGray
28-08-2023, 05:45 PM
Madness eh
Utterly mad.
It’s mythical talk anyway there is no way McDermott and Lennon would work together imo and it would just feel like a step backwards.
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tonyrougier123
28-08-2023, 05:46 PM
Do people actually feel okay? Lennon?!
Are they forgetting the mess he left us in ?
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There was a wee spell before he left where the lineups and outbursts were tantamount to a man frustrated by the job or its constraints. But when it was good it was good. I’d get him in till end of the season and see if he can salvage anything then weigh it up.
bordergreen
28-08-2023, 05:47 PM
Madness eh
Please not Lennon. When he left the last time, he was refusing to do interviews etc. Bizarre team selections, which Johnson has just been emptied for. It would not be the Hibs Manager, it would be the Neil Lennon show. No thanks.
Does anyone else think his leaving and going to his beloved Celtic again may have been engineered? Always thought there was something funny about that.
GreenGray
28-08-2023, 05:48 PM
There was a wee spell before he left where the lineups and outbursts were tantamount to a man frustrated by the job or its constraints. But when it was good it was good. I’d get him in till end of the season and see if he can salvage anything then weigh it up.
Would make zero sense on paper. Lennon throughout his career has took over successful teams done well for a period then it went to *****.
You honestly think he’s the man to turn that group of players round?
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Billy Whizz
28-08-2023, 05:48 PM
Just passing on what I heard mate. I was told by a lad with decent connections. Defoe is really ambitious. Enjoyed it up here and would certainly bring some star quality.
Not knocking your source, but we don’t really need another rookie manager
makaveli1875
28-08-2023, 05:49 PM
The Lenny years were some of the best of my 28 years watching hibs . It ended pretty bad but there were plenty good times and never a dull moment .
I'm all for some more of that
Billy Whizz
28-08-2023, 05:50 PM
Ryan Stevenson resigns from Glentoran the day after the Hibs job becomes available, coincidence 🤔😂
Do you not mean Glenafton😀
Graham Arnold name mentioned by sky sports
Callum_62
28-08-2023, 05:54 PM
Graham Arnold name mentioned by sky sports
In what context?
bordergreen
28-08-2023, 05:54 PM
Graham Arnold name mentioned by sky sports
Be very interesting…
sauzeelegod
28-08-2023, 05:55 PM
In what context?
They say he’s in the frame
B.H.F.C
28-08-2023, 05:57 PM
Just turned on SSN as they were talking about Arnold. They had it as breaking news and said he was in the frame so it appears more than just a name being thrown out there.
Springbank
28-08-2023, 05:57 PM
What experience does she have in football?
She knew Lee was trouble when walked in....
Callum_62
28-08-2023, 05:57 PM
They say he’s in the frame
If hes genuinely keen that he would be a very good appointment imo
LunasBoots
28-08-2023, 05:58 PM
Graham Arnold name mentioned by sky sports
That would be a interesting one, really good manager and lots of connections within football and a market we could maybe work in aswell.
supermcginn
28-08-2023, 05:58 PM
Graham Arnold name mentioned by sky sports
Can actually see this happening, he was interested last time.
badabing67
28-08-2023, 05:59 PM
Do people actually feel okay? Lennon?!
Are they forgetting the mess he left us in ?
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Well about time he came back and fixed it then.
JammyDoidger
28-08-2023, 05:59 PM
The thing is, we could do a lot worse than Lennon, if the board get this appointment wrong when guys like him are interested they need chased out.
GreenGray
28-08-2023, 06:01 PM
Well about time he came back and fixed it then.
So our reasoning for hiring a manager is for him to fix a mess whilst he left us in a mess himself? That seems utterly bonkers to me. You don’t think there’s a chance he might just make it worse?
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Callum_62
28-08-2023, 06:01 PM
The thing is, we could do a lot worse than Lennon, if the board get this appointment wrong when guys like him are interested they need chased out.
Some folk think Lennon is a wrong appointment though - I can understand that viewpoint
Springbank
28-08-2023, 06:01 PM
Arnold's interest is quite a game changer
He has some record, and his working relationship with Boyle is a great start
Heisenberg
28-08-2023, 06:02 PM
Graham Arnold is the name that’s caught my attention the most so far from those linked.
badabing67
28-08-2023, 06:05 PM
So our reasoning for hiring a manager is for him to fix a mess whilst he left us in a mess himself? That seems utterly bonkers to me. You don’t think there’s a chance he might just make it worse?
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No
I cannot believe anyone can be keen on Lennon given the way his tenure ended.
Smartie
28-08-2023, 06:05 PM
Arnold is certainly an intriguing suggestion.
GreenGray
28-08-2023, 06:06 PM
No
Given his track record I am genuinely shocked you think that.
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Smartie
28-08-2023, 06:06 PM
I cannot believe anyone can be keen on Lennon given the way his tenure ended.
It would be a major surprise for it to go anything unlike it went the last time - great for a while then ending in disaster.
Callum_62
28-08-2023, 06:06 PM
Arnold is certainly an intriguing suggestion.
Contracted to 2026 with the Ozzies
Was also linked in 2019 but ended up denying anything was in the speculation
Unless he really wants to try his hand back at club management I cant see it happening
04Sauzee
28-08-2023, 06:07 PM
Do you not mean Glenafton😀
Aye 😂
Bridge hibs
28-08-2023, 06:07 PM
Just waiting on Yogi popping up on the tv and declaring his interest 🤭
badabing67
28-08-2023, 06:10 PM
Given his track record I am genuinely shocked you think that.
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If he comes back we will see the best football since he left.
The thing is, we could do a lot worse than Lennon, if the board get this appointment wrong when guys like him are interested they need chased out.He chased himself out last time.
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Donegal Hibby
28-08-2023, 06:10 PM
Arnold's interest is quite a game changer
He has some record, and his working relationship with Boyle is a great start
Good experienced manager. Thought it was great the way the Aussies kept Boyle out with them for the world cup , Aussie team seemed to have a great work ethic and team spirit . I would be delighted if we got Arnold TBH .
RIP Bestie
28-08-2023, 06:11 PM
Please not Lennon. When he left the last time, he was refusing to do interviews etc. Bizarre team selections, which Johnson has just been emptied for. It would not be the Hibs Manager, it would be the Neil Lennon show. No thanks.
Does anyone else think his leaving and going to his beloved Celtic again may have been engineered? Always thought there was something funny about that.
100%
Northernhibee
28-08-2023, 06:14 PM
Well about time he came back and fixed it then.
Let’s bring LJ back to fix his mess too then.
Since90+2
28-08-2023, 06:17 PM
Arnold would be an interesting one.
Big change for the guy though from working as Australia national manager to come all the way to Scotland to work in day to day club management, especially as he's 60 years old.
Personally can't see it, but you just never know.
badabing67
28-08-2023, 06:17 PM
Let’s bring LJ back to fix his mess too then.
The difference is Lennon can fix it LJ can't
Since90+2
28-08-2023, 06:19 PM
The difference is Lennon can fix it LJ can't
Like he fixed things when he went back to Celtic? He was an utter failure in his second stint there, with the biggest budget in the league.
What makes you think he'd do it at Hibs?
sauzeelegod
28-08-2023, 06:19 PM
If hes genuinely keen that he would be a very good appointment imo
They did say a couple of English championship clubs interested in him too.
04Sauzee
28-08-2023, 06:20 PM
They did say a couple of English championship clubs interested in him too.
Which English championship clubs are without a manager? Wondering who our competition is.
Donegal Hibby
28-08-2023, 06:20 PM
I cannot believe anyone can be keen on Lennon given the way his tenure ended.
Team fairly went downhill towards the end of his reign. It always felt like he wanted away towards the end to me and I often wondered did he know he was going back to Celtic too which also ended in disaster . Only reason I'd take him back is if it was down to him and Robinson for the job :greengrin
GreenPJ
28-08-2023, 06:26 PM
Not knocking your source, but we don’t really need another rookie manager
Would love him as an assistant. Very very good professional would have high standards and suspect he will end up a very good coach/manager after some experience.
JohnM1875
28-08-2023, 06:28 PM
Graham Arnold is now my preference! Think that would be a class appointment. Hopefully there's something in it.
badabing67
28-08-2023, 06:29 PM
Like he fixed things when he went back to Celtic? He was an utter failure in his second stint there, with the biggest budget in the league.
What makes you think he'd do it at Hibs?
What other manager that is interested in the Hibs job has a CV like this as a manager
Scottish Premier League Titles 5
Scottish Cup 4
Scottish League Cup 1
Scottish Championship 1
Cypriot Cup: 1
Plus decent runs in Europe
Donegal Hibby
28-08-2023, 06:35 PM
Skysports saying us and two English championship clubs are considering Arnold , I wonder what clubs ? Are there any that sacked there manager recently?
hibeerealist
28-08-2023, 06:36 PM
Team fairly went downhill towards the end of his reign. It always felt like he wanted away towards the end to me and I often wondered did he know he was going back to Celtic too which also ended in disaster . Only reason I'd take him back is if it was down to him and Robinson for the job :greengrin
I wonder if Kamberi, Ms Dempster etc just p iss ed NL off and he felt he was fighting a losing battle hence things went south???
Tyler Durden
28-08-2023, 06:36 PM
Really don’t see the appeal of Graham Arnold. International management is totally different. Being a head coach is a young man’s game at our level IMO, I hope this is just speculation.
bingo70
28-08-2023, 06:37 PM
Really don’t see the appeal of Graham Arnold. International management is totally different. Being a head coach is a young man’s game at our level IMO, I hope this is just speculation.
He had an excellent record at club management as well before he got the Australia job.
Since90+2
28-08-2023, 06:37 PM
What other manager that is interested in the Hibs job has a CV like this as a manager
Scottish Premier League Titles 5
Scottish Cup 4
Scottish League Cup 1
Scottish Championship 1
Cypriot Cup: 1
Plus decent runs in Europe
Personally I don't see Hibs winning the Championship without Hearts or Rangers as a success, bare minimum and we were crap for a lot of that season. Let's remember too he came in on the back of us winning the Scottish cup and a feel good feeling around the club we haven't seen since. The squad he inherited was put together by Stubbs, and he left the club in an utter mess.
The majority of his other trophies are with Celtic, but whe you compare his Celtic teams to Rodgers and Postegoclu you'd say his side was nowhere near as good as theirs. He then messed up their 10 in a row season, the first Celtic manager not to win the league in a decade.
leithsansiro
28-08-2023, 06:38 PM
Do people actually feel okay? Lennon?!
Are they forgetting the mess he left us in ?
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It’s amazing how short peoples memories are. Has LJ really left us that damaged as a support that we’d openly welcome back Lennon, a man who left our squad in a complete state and had no idea what to do when the chips were down?
Vault Boy
28-08-2023, 06:40 PM
Arnold seems to have a knack for creating tight knit teams that play as a real unit. We sorely lack cohesion and organisation at the moment, so to use Lee Johnson’s favourite phrase, I think GA would add a lot of value to us if appointed.
leithsansiro
28-08-2023, 06:42 PM
Arnold seems to have a knack for creating tight knit teams that play as a real unit. We sorely lack cohesion and organisation at the moment, so to use Lee Johnson’s favourite phrase, I think GA would add a lot of value to us if appointed.
This pretty much sums up the criteria I’d be looking for in Hibs just now
superfurryhibby
28-08-2023, 06:43 PM
It’s amazing how short peoples memories are. Has LJ really left us that damaged as a support that we’d openly welcome back Lennon, a man who left our squad in a complete state and had no idea what to do when the chips were down?
Well said.
Tyler Durden
28-08-2023, 06:47 PM
He had an excellent record at club management as well before he got the Australia job.
In Australia. Pat Fenlon had a good record in a poor league too.
I’m being harsh/facetious there but we’ve been burned too many times recently that I’d rather have someone who has been successful in this league personally
leithsansiro
28-08-2023, 06:47 PM
I wonder if Brian McDermott would be asked to move into the managers role? Not that I’m touting him for it, more just that he has managerial experience at a high level and is already in the building. He’d be a cheap option and we’re probably looking to keep costs minimal…
badabing67
28-08-2023, 06:52 PM
I wonder if Brian McDermott would be asked to move into the managers role? Not that I’m touting him for it, more just that he has managerial experience at a high level and is already in the building. He’d be a cheap option and we’re probably looking to keep costs minimal…
David Gray is now in charge of the team, so I doubt it. Hopefully he busy trying to get some more players in
B.H.F.C
28-08-2023, 06:52 PM
In Australia. Pat Fenlon had a good record in a poor league too.
I’m being harsh/facetious there but we’ve been burned too many times recently that I’d rather have someone who has been successful in this league personally
Thing is, you’re pretty slim on the ground for candidates who would be available to us that have been successful in this league. Obviously there is McInnes but I’m not convinced he’d come and Robinson is doing well. Beyond that I’m not sure who else there is with previous success in this league. The most successful we could possibly get would be Lennon but there would be a whole lot of folk against that.
Callum_62
28-08-2023, 06:55 PM
In Australia. Pat Fenlon had a good record in a poor league too.
I’m being harsh/facetious there but we’ve been burned too many times recently that I’d rather have someone who has been successful in this league personallyThat's an extremely small market you are creating there
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Vault Boy
28-08-2023, 06:55 PM
In Australia. Pat Fenlon had a good record in a poor league too.
I’m being harsh/facetious there but we’ve been burned too many times recently that I’d rather have someone who has been successful in this league personally
There were plenty of folk who said the same thing about Ange before he went to Celtic. And then again when he went to Spurs.
If we write off a whole category of manager because we had one poor one from the LOI over a decade ago, we’ll be pretty short on the ground for options.
Tyler Durden
28-08-2023, 06:56 PM
Thing is, you’re pretty slim on the ground for candidates who would be available to us that have been successful in this league. Obviously there is McInnes but I’m not convinced he’d come and Robinson is doing well. Beyond that I’m not sure who else there is with previous success in this league. The most successful we could possibly get would be Lennon but there would be a whole lot of folk against that.
Yeah I think we should approach Killie/McInnes immediately. If he doesn’t want it, we move on.
Nicho87
28-08-2023, 06:57 PM
I’m very concerned hibs go down the route of someone who doesn’t know the league never mind managed in the country before
Keep saying it we need less risk option the fans have had enough of experiments
It’s mcinnes v Lennon for me
Heisenberg
28-08-2023, 06:58 PM
There were plenty of folk who said the same thing about Ange before he went to Celtic. And then again when he went to Spurs.
If we write off a whole category of manager because we had one poor one from the LOI over a decade ago, we’ll be pretty short on the ground for options.
Was about to mention Ange too. Arnold has bags of experience and has a good record over his last few jobs. The Australia team at the World Cup all seemed to absolutely love him.
Tyler Durden
28-08-2023, 06:59 PM
That's an extremely small market you are creating there
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Maybe so. I’d be going for McInnes or Scott Brown (who I appreciate fails my criteria as a coach!).
I was all for a Maloney type coach at the time and didn’t want us anywhere near McInnes. It’s back to basics now IMO.
Tyler Durden
28-08-2023, 07:01 PM
There were plenty of folk who said the same thing about Ange before he went to Celtic. And then again when he went to Spurs.
If we write off a whole category of manager because we had one poor one from the LOI over a decade ago, we’ll be pretty short on the ground for options.
Not really the same thing. Ange is dealing with top class players (at Celtic and Spurs) and was coming from club management.
He had a clear ethos and way of playing. Have you watched Australia under Arnold? What are the positives exactly?
Malbec
28-08-2023, 07:02 PM
Oh right. You lost me with the long ball tactics and low budget (ours being relatively large for the division). It sounded the opposite of what we want - i see what you mean regarding stability though.
that's true - the long ball stuff is not for Hibs, especially given the Boyle, Vente, Young attack. Whoever comes in, though, has to get the defence sorted right away and make Hibs difficult to beat, only then will there be a platform to give the team a chance to win some games.
MrRobot
28-08-2023, 07:03 PM
Surprised people are happy to consider Scott Brown given his record seems pretty poor so far.
HoboHarry
28-08-2023, 07:04 PM
that's true - the long ball stuff is not for hibs, especially given the boyle, vente, young attack. Whoever comes in, though, has to get the midfield sorted right away and make hibs difficult to beat, only then will there be a platform to give the team a chance to win some games.
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Springbank
28-08-2023, 07:07 PM
Not really the same thing. Ange is dealing with top class players (at Celtic and Spurs) and was coming from club management.
He had a clear ethos and way of playing. Have you watched Australia under Arnold? What are the positives exactly?
He took a team, with the relegated Dundee United left back & a,St Mirren midfielder, and they had the world champs & the Goat (Lionel Messi) hanging on the ropes late on, at the world Cup, where Behich almost scored the goal of the tournament to have made it 2-2 / extra time.
That's not to be sniffed at
.and in club football his record is the best of all time in the A League, better than Postecoglu's
snedzuk
28-08-2023, 07:07 PM
I’m very concerned hibs go down the route of someone who doesn’t know the league never mind managed in the country before
Keep saying it we need less risk option the fans have had enough of experiments
It’s mcinnes v Lennon for me
Square go to settle it.
Vault Boy
28-08-2023, 07:07 PM
Not really the same thing. Ange is dealing with top class players (at Celtic and Spurs) and was coming from club management.
He had a clear ethos and way of playing. Have you watched Australia under Arnold? What are the positives exactly?
He was coming from club management in the A-League and J-League.
Yes, I watched a lot of them at the World Cup, where he got them to the round of 16 and only narrowly lost to the eventual tournament winners. There were a lot of positives about that.
Fuzzywuzzy
28-08-2023, 07:07 PM
What you really need is someone based at the Hibs hotel in Birmingham to see who comes and goes......
Tyler Durden
28-08-2023, 07:14 PM
He was coming from club management in the A-League and J-League.
Yes, I watched a lot of them at the World Cup, where he got them to the round of 16 and only narrowly lost to the eventual tournament winners. There were a lot of positives about that.
You’re right 👍🏻
Still not the man for me.
ChuckNor
28-08-2023, 07:14 PM
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I don’t think McDermott would take the job. I listened to a podcast recently, I think it may have been the Jermaine Defoe one about him trying to get into management and he spent some time speaking to McDermott about the ins and outs of the job. McDermott spoke really honestly about the stresses he ended up under whilst trying to manage a football club, where his mental health really suffered and I think he ended up using alcohol as a coping mechanism and fell into depression. For that reason and the age that he’s at I think he’s got no need to or desire to get back into management.”
Was the post. So maybe not as Hibs centric as your version but it sounds like they definitely have met up. Was posted by a poster BeansOnToast on the New Manager Needed Now thread.
Yea, they guy told me McDermott was impressed by Defoe’s attitude to coaching. Perhaps why they met up again recently. Wonder if he could be part of a management team?
MKHIBEE
28-08-2023, 07:17 PM
What you really need is someone based at the Hibs hotel in Birmingham to see who comes and goes......
Just talk to BK, I’m sure he will tell you
Unseen work
28-08-2023, 07:17 PM
Arnold would be a brilliant appointment imo and quite a big one imo.
Lennon knew Rodgers was leaving last time and worked his ticket, leaving in a really poor manner.
bingo70
28-08-2023, 07:19 PM
I’m very concerned hibs go down the route of someone who doesn’t know the league never mind managed in the country before
Keep saying it we need less risk option the fans have had enough of experiments
It’s mcinnes v Lennon for me
“The fans have had enough of experiments”
Can assure you that you don’t speak for this fan when you say that.
Graham Arnold knows masses about Scottish football anyway, he did a podcast with Craig Levein and Amy Irons, he came across brilliantly and said he watched kids of Scottish football because so many Australians play across here.
Greenworld
28-08-2023, 07:21 PM
Not really the same thing. Ange is dealing with top class players (at Celtic and Spurs) and was coming from club management.
He had a clear ethos and way of playing. Have you watched Australia under Arnold? What are the positives exactly?What a load of rubbish your comment is. The guy is top notch [emoji108]
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Tyler Durden
28-08-2023, 07:25 PM
What a load of rubbish your comment is. The guy is top notch [emoji108]
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Your comment is rubbish too. Is that how this works?
I asked a question, the poster responded and I acknowledged they were spot on. I’ve explained why I don’t want Arnold, it’s just a personal preference.
Although yeah, I don’t place massive stock in people being successful in Australia. For obvious reasons.
Greenworld
28-08-2023, 07:27 PM
Your comment is rubbish too. Is that how this works?
I asked a question, the poster responded and I acknowledged they were spot on. I’ve explained why I don’t want Arnold, it’s just a personal preference.
Although yeah, I don’t place massive stock in people being successful in Australia. For obvious reasons.Who was ange dealing with before celtic ?
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Smartie
28-08-2023, 07:27 PM
Yea, they guy told me McDermott was impressed by Defoe’s attitude to coaching. Perhaps why they met up again recently. Wonder if he could be part of a management team?
I've always liked Defoe, it was hard to see him being popular at Ibrox.
He's a good lad who was a superb player and who has impressed people everywhere he has gone.
I'm just not sure where this fits into our current needs. He properly has no experience (David Gray, for example has a few years coaching under a few managers and has an appropriate amount of scar tissue as a result).
Any new guy coming in needs to be bringing his own people in. Defoe will get an opportunity of sorts somewhere but I don't know how he fits in with us now?
ian cruise
28-08-2023, 07:34 PM
I've always liked Defoe, it was hard to see him being popular at Ibrox.
He's a good lad who was a superb player and who has impressed people everywhere he has gone.
I'm just not sure where this fits into our current needs. He properly has no experience (David Gray, for example has a few years coaching under a few managers and has an appropriate amount of scar tissue as a result).
Any new guy coming in needs to be bringing his own people in. Defoe will get an opportunity of sorts somewhere but I don't know how he fits in with us now?
If we've got a bigger budget having more coaches to work with the players might not be the worst approach and potentially a good way to get more out of the players we have. Just look at the number of coaches clubs larger than ourselves have.
badabing67
28-08-2023, 07:38 PM
Who was ange dealing with before celtic ?
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Think he was associated to City group before he went to Celtic but not sure where
Box 17
28-08-2023, 07:57 PM
We need somebody who is experienced, knows the Scottish game and can hit the ground running.
Not another experiment with a rookie or someone, albeit with a good pedigree, moving here from the other side of the world.
Martindale, Mackay, McInnes, Robinson are on our doorstep.
Unseen work
28-08-2023, 08:04 PM
We need somebody who is experienced, knows the Scottish game and can hit the ground running.
Not another experiment with a rookie or someone, albeit with a good pedigree, moving here from the other side of the world.
Martindale, Mackay, McInnes, Robinson are on our doorstep.
Arnold has managed in the A-League which is relatively similar to our albeit at a lower standard and done really well.
He then took a bunch of players deemed not good enough for Scotland’s national team into the Australian national team into a World Cup where they done extremely well.
Atkinson
Souttar
Rowles
Behich
Baccus
Devlin
Strain
Irvine
Jeggo
Mooy
Boyle
Kuol
Rogic
Cummings
Have all played/are playing in Scotland
He’ll have sound knowledge of Scottish players and what the league will be like
https://www.foottheball.com/manager-in-focus/kjetil-knutsen-news-fk-bodo-glimt-job-coach-playing-style-tactics-prospects-career/
Might take more than a year to teach Hibs players how to pass to one another. Might not get much time for this approach in the Scottish game, either.
Pytheas
28-08-2023, 08:21 PM
Graham Arnold name mentioned by sky sports
Loved what he did with Boyle at the World cup. Classy.
The plain speaking player's manager we need to unite the dressing room?
Pytheas
28-08-2023, 08:22 PM
Really don’t see the appeal of Graham Arnold. International management is totally different. Being a head coach is a young man’s game at our level IMO, I hope this is just speculation.
Has the highest win% in A-League history and is 2 years older than Ange Postecoglou.......
Since452
28-08-2023, 08:23 PM
Would Ole get behind the wheel? Did well at Molde.
GreenNWhiteArmy
28-08-2023, 08:25 PM
Dunno what it is. But Arnold and Montgomery get me most excited
GreenNWhiteArmy
28-08-2023, 08:26 PM
Would Ole get behind the wheel? Did well at Molde.
I got laughed at by a few posters for suggesting him at the weekend. Genuinely didn't see him as unattainable. Would love him
JimBHibees
28-08-2023, 08:27 PM
Has the highest win% in A-League history and is 2 years older than Ange Postecoglou.......
Looks much older would be surprised if he left their national team
jeffers
28-08-2023, 08:27 PM
I got laughed at by a few posters for suggesting him at the weekend. Genuinely didn't see him as unattainable. Would love him
I heard we had sounded him out when he was at Molde.
jacomo
28-08-2023, 08:30 PM
Not really the same thing. Ange is dealing with top class players (at Celtic and Spurs) and was coming from club management.
He had a clear ethos and way of playing. Have you watched Australia under Arnold? What are the positives exactly?
Their record under him is pretty good, no? Surely that’s a positive?
Since452
28-08-2023, 08:30 PM
I got laughed at by a few posters for suggesting him at the weekend. Genuinely didn't see him as unattainable. Would love him
Would definitely get me excited. Don't see why he'd be out of reach.
Paulie Walnuts
28-08-2023, 08:32 PM
I heard we had sounded him out when he was at Molde.
Can’t imagine him coming anywhere near us now.
CockneyRebel
28-08-2023, 08:33 PM
It’s amazing how short peoples memories are. Has LJ really left us that damaged as a support that we’d openly welcome back Lennon, a man who left our squad in a complete state and had no idea what to do when the chips were down?
Exactly! He worked his ticket back to Celtic showing he is morally corrupt. Always came across to me as though he was doing us a favour. Sure, he got a good tune out of us for a while but we didn't have the bottomless wallet that he needed to keep it up. IMO He is bad news and should not even be considered. We are Hibernian FC not Celtic and he can GTF.
jacomo
28-08-2023, 08:34 PM
Your comment is rubbish too. Is that how this works?
I asked a question, the poster responded and I acknowledged they were spot on. I’ve explained why I don’t want Arnold, it’s just a personal preference.
Although yeah, I don’t place massive stock in people being successful in Australia. For obvious reasons.
You keep coming up with reasons that don’t stand up to scrutiny.
If you don’t like Arnold fair enough, but your only argument left standing is that Australian football is rubbish.
I don’t think we’ve got a hope with him, largely because his record (albeit not in Scotland or England) is pretty impressive.
Vault Boy
28-08-2023, 08:34 PM
You’re right 👍🏻
Still not the man for me.
That much is fair enough, there was a time early on in his latest stint with Oz where I felt the same way. His record in the years since has fully changed me around, I’d be very excited if we got him now.
Donegal Hibby
28-08-2023, 08:40 PM
Maybe so. I’d be going for McInnes or Scott Brown (who I appreciate fails my criteria as a coach!).
I was all for a Maloney type coach at the time and didn’t want us anywhere near McInnes. It’s back to basics now IMO.
I'm surprised you'd opt for Scott Brown over Graham Arnold TBH mate . It's Browns first managerial job and his team seem to be struggling this year . Graham Arnold has a very good record not only at club level but also at international level too . I think he would be a excellent appointment if we could get him TBH.
B.H.F.C
28-08-2023, 08:50 PM
You keep coming up with reasons that don’t stand up to scrutiny.
If you don’t like Arnold fair enough, but your only argument left standing is that Australian football is rubbish.
I don’t think we’ve got a hope with him, largely because his record (albeit not in Scotland or England) is pretty impressive.
If Arnold wants to come over here to work I think we’d have a great chance of getting him. He’s not going to have many bigger clubs knocking down his door I wouldn’t think.
I think it’s an interesting one.
thebausburst
28-08-2023, 08:54 PM
We need somebody who is experienced, knows the Scottish game and can hit the ground running.
Not another experiment with a rookie or someone, albeit with a good pedigree, moving here from the other side of the world.
Martindale, Mackay, McInnes, Robinson are on our doorstep.
This 100%, but then I fully expect Ben and the Board to appoint another guy from the English lower leagues, never considered any SPL managers including a then out of work McInness and see nothing to change that this time round.
Donegal Hibby
28-08-2023, 08:56 PM
If Arnold wants to come over here to work I think we’d have a great chance of getting him. He’s not going to have many bigger clubs knocking down his door I wouldn’t think.
I think it’s an interesting one.
Might depend on who the two English championship clubs are that skysports mentioned are considering him too though..
IberianHibernian
28-08-2023, 08:56 PM
Exactly! He worked his ticket back to Celtic showing he is morally corrupt. Always came across to me as though he was doing us a favour. Sure, he got a good tune out of us for a while but we didn't have the bottomless wallet that he needed to keep it up. IMO He is bad news and should not even be considered. We are Hibernian FC not Celtic and he can GTF." Good tune " ? The first half of 2018 was fantastic entertainment and the crowds certainly reflected that . Most exciting time to watch Hibs for several decades . Not saying we`d reproduce that if he came back but with our present attacking options who knows ?
Tyler Durden
28-08-2023, 08:58 PM
You keep coming up with reasons that don’t stand up to scrutiny.
If you don’t like Arnold fair enough, but your only argument left standing is that Australian football is rubbish.
I don’t think we’ve got a hope with him, largely because his record (albeit not in Scotland or England) is pretty impressive.
I’m not trying to convince anyone. He wouldn’t be my pick.
CapitalGreen
28-08-2023, 09:02 PM
Might depend on who the two English championship clubs are that skysports mentioned are considering him too though..
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WhileTheChief..
28-08-2023, 09:24 PM
I’m very concerned hibs go down the route of someone who doesn’t know the league never mind managed in the country before
Keep saying it we need less risk option the fans have had enough of experiments
It’s mcinnes v Lennon for me
Yup, either would suit me.
MrRobot
28-08-2023, 09:25 PM
Would definitely get me excited. Don't see why he'd be out of reach.
Love Ole, not sure we would get him though given his last job was Man United.
Unseen work
28-08-2023, 09:32 PM
Highly recommend the ‘Sacked in the Morning’ podcast with Graham Arnold.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1eBQkfZ7Wd4w4pIjHtaoFI?si=OFxwuDTJRJKkj1gM3yt05A
Fantastic listen and really interesting insight.
He tells a story about the World Cup where he changed his goalkeeper for the game when it went to penalties. Said the goalie he brought on was much bigger and absolutely crazy so he knew he would be fine putting off the opposition. He also told him to grab the opposition goalies bottle and launch it into the crowd as he knew he kept details of the Australian players preferred side for penalties on it - the goalie did just that and they won.
Comes across very well.
keep the faith
28-08-2023, 09:32 PM
KT predictably on radio tonight.
Be cool not to hear the usual attacks on him and just listen out of interest. I struggled with his antics with The Rangers but he does talk sense about Hibs here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g994hp?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
BobMilne
28-08-2023, 09:37 PM
" Good tune " ? The first half of 2018 was fantastic entertainment and the crowds certainly reflected that . Most exciting time to watch Hibs for several decades . Not saying we`d reproduce that if he came back but with our present attacking options who knows ?
Totally agree! Bring back the madness
Box 17
28-08-2023, 09:39 PM
No doubting Arnold has a good looking record but not sure the practicalities of a move half way round the world, even if he wanted to come, would work mid season when we need somebody in now.
For a start there is a visa which will take 3 - 4 weeks at least and then the whole thing of moving to a new home in a new country at short notice, uprooting the family etc. That's a big enough undertaking for anybody, never mind someone we would expect to be totally focussed on the day job.
Nice idea and maybe something that could be achieved in between seasons, but it just won't work now.
vuefrom1875
28-08-2023, 09:58 PM
We need somebody who is experienced, knows the Scottish game and can hit the ground running.
Not another experiment with a rookie or someone, albeit with a good pedigree, moving here from the other side of the world.
Martindale, Mackay, McInnes, Robinson are on our doorstep......none of them,Mackay racist,martindale crack heid ,Mcinnes hun,Robinson nah.
ElginHibbie
28-08-2023, 10:00 PM
.....none of them,Mackay racist,martindale crack heid ,Mcinnes hun,Robinson nah.
This summary ran out of steam quickly
IberianHibernian
28-08-2023, 10:01 PM
.....none of them,Mackay racist,martindale crack heid ,Mcinnes hun,Robinson nah.Exactly vuefrom .
KT predictably on radio tonight.
Be cool not to hear the usual attacks on him and just listen out of interest. I struggled with his antics with The Rangers but he does talk sense about Hibs here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g994hp?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Actually a very good piece from Kevin, much as I cringe at his Rangers love in, he does talk sense here.
.....none of them,Mackay racist,martindale crack heid ,Mcinnes hun,Robinson nah.
Posted not long ago on the poll thread that surprisingly Kettlewell is getting overlooked. Not saying he'd necessarily be my choice but he's got a record of 14 wins, 5 draws and 3 losses since he took over at Motherwell when they were joint bottom of the league and it seems odd not many are even considering him as an option. And he is the only one that can provide cover whilst Marshall and Wollacott are injured. 😀
https://i.ibb.co/YfXDM8b/Screenshot-20230828-232851.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Forza Fred
28-08-2023, 10:29 PM
Graham Arnold is now my preference! Think that would be a class appointment. Hopefully there's something in it.
I like Arnie, I really do, but I just can’t see him leaving his pad on Sydney’s northern beaches and the international stage for a flat in Leith and a trip now and then to St Mirren.
He’s close to or may even be 60, and has been out of the club side for a while now.
Nick Montgomery on the other hand……
The Harp Awakes
28-08-2023, 10:30 PM
KT predictably on radio tonight.
Be cool not to hear the usual attacks on him and just listen out of interest. I struggled with his antics with The Rangers but he does talk sense about Hibs here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g994hp?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
The usual attacks are accurate. He'd walk over broken glass to Ibrox? Speaks of the Rangers as 'us'. He's chosen his bed, let him lie in it.
vuefrom1875
28-08-2023, 10:46 PM
This summary ran out of steam quickly
Stick the kettle back on.
DownInAlbion
29-08-2023, 01:19 AM
Might get torn apart for this one Van Bronckhorst?
.....none of them,Mackay racist,martindale crack heid ,Mcinnes hun,Robinson nah.
Why is being a hun a barrier? That had no impact on my reasons for not wanting mcinnes.
Since452
29-08-2023, 05:51 AM
Arnold would be a brilliant appointment imo and quite a big one imo.
Lennon knew Rodgers was leaving last time and worked his ticket, leaving in a really poor manner.
Yup. Worked his ticket, publicly threatened to leave after he got his team selection wrong, constantly made a complete arse of himself embarrassing the club. Saddens me that people are calling for him back while calling LJ a slavering rat etc when he was nothing but respectfull to the club and fans regularly praising both. It's like Lennon's toxicity has been completely forgotten.
I was absolutely delighted when Lennon left and would be gutted if he returned. A weight was lifted from the whole club when he left.
If Lennon returned id seriously consider not going back. I'd be scunnered.
Northernhibee
29-08-2023, 06:09 AM
Yup. Worked his ticket, publicly threatened to leave after he got his team selection wrong, constantly made a complete arse of himself embarrassing the club. Saddens me that people are calling for him back while calling LJ a slavering rat etc when he was nothing but respectfull to the club and fans regularly praising both. It's like Lennon's toxicity has been completely forgotten.
I was absolutely delighted when Lennon left and would be gutted if he returned. A weight was lifted from the whole club when he left.
If Lennon returned id seriously consider not going back. I'd be scunnered.
It wasn’t forgotten, it was largely downright ignored by many at the time.
JimBHibees
29-08-2023, 06:11 AM
Why is being a hun a barrier? That had no impact on my reasons for not wanting mcinnes.
Absolutely shouldn't be. Best person always
Yup. Worked his ticket, publicly threatened to leave after he got his team selection wrong, constantly made a complete arse of himself embarrassing the club. Saddens me that people are calling for him back while calling LJ a slavering rat etc when he was nothing but respectfull to the club and fans regularly praising both. It's like Lennon's toxicity has been completely forgotten.
I was absolutely delighted when Lennon left and would be gutted if he returned. A weight was lifted from the whole club when he left.
If Lennon returned id seriously consider not going back. I'd be scunnered.
Well said! Treated us like something out toy town always not at his level even when it was clear it was him getting it wrong, going awol was an embarrassment don’t want him back at all
Yup. Worked his ticket, publicly threatened to leave after he got his team selection wrong, constantly made a complete arse of himself embarrassing the club. Saddens me that people are calling for him back while calling LJ a slavering rat etc when he was nothing but respectfull to the club and fans regularly praising both. It's like Lennon's toxicity has been completely forgotten.
I was absolutely delighted when Lennon left and would be gutted if he returned. A weight was lifted from the whole club when he left.
If Lennon returned id seriously consider not going back. I'd be scunnered.
It is pretty hard to disagree with this. I didn’t want Lennon first time as it was clear what he was like. Yes he had a good start but a horrible end. Along the way his conduct was pretty poor.
Much as I don’t want mcinnes if it was a choice between the two mcinnes wins.
JimBHibees
29-08-2023, 06:14 AM
I like Arnie, I really do, but I just can’t see him leaving his pad on Sydney’s northern beaches and the international stage for a flat in Leith and a trip now and then to St Mirren.
He’s close to or may even be 60, and has been out of the club side for a while now.
Nick Montgomery on the other hand……
Think Montgomery is a more likely option would also open up access to England too.
Hiber-nation
29-08-2023, 06:17 AM
Might get torn apart for this one Van Bronckhorst?
If only we were shopping in that market!
Hibby Bairn
29-08-2023, 06:27 AM
.....none of them,Mackay racist,martindale crack heid ,Mcinnes hun,Robinson nah.
You ever thought about professional sports commentary, mate?
JimBHibees
29-08-2023, 06:28 AM
You ever thought about professional sports commentary, mate?
:greengrin
Dashing Bob S
29-08-2023, 06:29 AM
We can’t be too poncey. Football is a cut throat business in a neoliberal world. I don’t like it, but whether it’s Lennon or Thomson people in the game will hunt bigger bucks and play to the deranged simpletons of the OF and the toxic media who encourage them. Yes, they could be a little classier and more restrained and respectful about it, but anyone with any intellect can see it’s a game undertaken to appease morons.
So no point on discounting those with supposed OF connections
pacoluna
29-08-2023, 07:00 AM
Surprised McLeish isn't on anyone's short list.
Hibby Bairn
29-08-2023, 07:11 AM
Surprised McLeish isn't on anyone's short list.
Yip. And Jim Duffy. Where's Williamson these days?
jacomo
29-08-2023, 07:18 AM
Yup. Worked his ticket, publicly threatened to leave after he got his team selection wrong, constantly made a complete arse of himself embarrassing the club. Saddens me that people are calling for him back while calling LJ a slavering rat etc when he was nothing but respectfull to the club and fans regularly praising both. It's like Lennon's toxicity has been completely forgotten.
I was absolutely delighted when Lennon left and would be gutted if he returned. A weight was lifted from the whole club when he left.
If Lennon returned id seriously consider not going back. I'd be scunnered.
Broadly I agree with you, although it’s fair to remember that Leeann admitted that mistakes were made on both sides in this episode.
My problem with Lennon is that I’d be wondering ‘when’s he gonna go missing again?’ from the start. I do think he worked his ticket to go back to Celtc. But maybe it wasn’t all on him?
Springbank
29-08-2023, 07:36 AM
Yip. And Jim Duffy. Where's Williamson these days?
I possibly missed this but tell me when did McLeish or Williamson recently win a trophy with their club (like the current NL did in Cyprus?)
And did Williamson recently go head to head with Man Utd in a competitive game (like the current NL did)?
flash
29-08-2023, 07:38 AM
Surprised McLeish isn't on anyone's short list.
Could be wrong but don't think his health is that great these days.
flash
29-08-2023, 07:39 AM
I possibly missed this but tell me when did McLeish or Williamson recently win a trophy with their club (like the current NL did in Cyprus?)
And did Williamson recently go head to head with Man Utd in a competitive game (like the current NL did)?
Bobby Williamson won the league in Kenya.
tonyrougier123
29-08-2023, 07:41 AM
It’s down to four candidates for me.
Lennon,mcinness,mackay,Arnold.
Lennon- obviously wears his heart on his sleeve sometimes to his downfall. Keeping him engaged and winning crucial to his longevity in any post. Would imo work well with McDermott to get what we need.
Mcinness- working well at another basket case club in killie,managed some shrewd signings never looking past his nose to keep meeting his targets at the Ayrshire club. Consistency his main strength and someone who seems to be magnetic to hibs thoughts if never quite getting the job, YET!
Mackay-by all accounts was highly regarded in the game before leaked messages revealed an unsavoury way of expressing his thoughts on players and potential signings. Never seemed to draw criticism from players managed and most praised his mannerisms and style of management. Whilst it may have been a young guy with a bravado in txts and emails he thought were private who knows. But he has imo served his penance’s for his behaviour and corrected his wrongs.
Working on a shoestring at county and constantly finding enough to keep them in spl,imo time to see if his redemption in the game can continue at a much bigger club size.
Arnold- this guy for me is interesting,his name has popped up before.
Sure he has visited Easter road to see the set up before but could be wrong on that,seen what mcleish couldn’t in Martin Boyle and seems to have worked well for player. He’s our star man and that could be just the ticket to get off to a flyer. And we have an influx of Aussies in the Leauge so one would assume plenty of knowledge of what’s needed to counter that and ofcourse add to ours.
HFC93
29-08-2023, 08:10 AM
Surprised McLeish isn't on anyone's short list.
He hasn't been very well recently. I think he is essentially retired now.
AlbertK86
29-08-2023, 08:13 AM
The usual attacks are accurate. He'd walk over broken glass to Ibrox? Speaks of the Rangers as 'us'. He's chosen his bed, let him lie in it.
Hibs fan, both sons Hibs fans and both play for our academy.
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Callum_62
29-08-2023, 08:19 AM
After listening to Thommo I can't say he's wrong at all
Getting someone in that can stamp an identity on Hibs is exactly what we need
Doesn't matter who that is as long as that part is successful
I'd take Thommo on the coaching staff btw - not as manager though
Wouldn't be entirely shocked to see Brown, Whittaker and Thomson all return
Wouldn't be my choice btw
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greenpaper55
29-08-2023, 08:24 AM
Most of the names getting a mention have been failures in previous jobs so why do posters think that they will suddenly become a success at ER ?
I like Arnie, I really do, but I just can’t see him leaving his pad on Sydney’s northern beaches and the international stage for a flat in Leith and a trip now and then to St Mirren.
He’s close to or may even be 60, and has been out of the club side for a while now.
Nick Montgomery on the other hand……
But Fred neither of them has any previous experience of Scottish football and according to the experts on here that's a must!!!
Callum_62
29-08-2023, 08:27 AM
Most of the names getting a mention have been failures in previous jobs so why do posters think that they will suddenly become a success at ER ?Nearly all experienced managers will have had "failures"
Jose has had a few and we wouldn't be disregarding him if he's interested
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easty
29-08-2023, 08:27 AM
What are people seeing in Malky Mackay that makes him an option at all?
I just don’t get it.
Putting aside his character, how is he doing a good job at Ross County? They stayed up last season only because Partick fell to pieces. They were absolutely ***** in those play off games, and they’re absolutely ***** every time I see them.
Callum_62
29-08-2023, 08:28 AM
But Fred neither of them has any previous experience of Scottish football and according to the experts on here that's a must!!!I really don't put that high up my list of requirements
Theyl soon suss it out if they are good enough
Plus we have Mcdemott in place that has plenty of experience of UK football
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easty
29-08-2023, 08:30 AM
But Fred neither of them has any previous experience of Scottish football and according to the experts on here that's a must!!!
Who are the experts on here? Have they identified themselves as “the experts”?
WestStandWillie
29-08-2023, 08:31 AM
It’s down to four candidates for me.
Lennon,mcinness,mackay,Arnold.
Lennon- obviously wears his heart on his sleeve sometimes to his downfall. Keeping him engaged and winning crucial to his longevity in any post. Would imo work well with McDermott to get what we need.
Mcinness- working well at another basket case club in killie,managed some shrewd signings never looking past his nose to keep meeting his targets at the Ayrshire club. Consistency his main strength and someone who seems to be magnetic to hibs thoughts if never quite getting the job, YET!
Mackay-by all accounts was highly regarded in the game before leaked messages revealed an unsavoury way of expressing his thoughts on players and potential signings. Never seemed to draw criticism from players managed and most praised his mannerisms and style of management. Whilst it may have been a young guy with a bravado in txts and emails he thought were private who knows. But he has imo served his penance’s for his behaviour and corrected his wrongs.
Working on a shoestring at county and constantly finding enough to keep them in spl,imo time to see if his redemption in the game can continue at a much bigger club size.
Arnold- this guy for me is interesting,his name has popped up before.
Sure he has visited Easter road to see the set up before but could be wrong on that,seen what mcleish couldn’t in Martin Boyle and seems to have worked well for player. He’s our star man and that could be just the ticket to get off to a flyer. And we have an influx of Aussies in the Leauge so one would assume plenty of knowledge of what’s needed to counter that and ofcourse add to ours.
Absolutely not. I'd wager that if you looked at his phone the same racist kind of messages will be on chats. He was only sorry cause he got caught. Dirty big racist. Keep him well away from Easter Road.
timewilltell
29-08-2023, 08:35 AM
Absolutely not. I'd wager that if you looked at his phone the same racist kind of messages will be on chats. He was only sorry cause he got caught. Dirty big racist. Keep him well away from Easter Road.
You really are a numpty!
GreenGray
29-08-2023, 08:41 AM
You really are a numpty!
Numpty for not wanting a racist as our manager?
eastmainsmsh
29-08-2023, 08:44 AM
You get managers coaches coming up from south with good reputations and find it’s not as easy as the think
WestStandWillie
29-08-2023, 08:45 AM
You really are a numpty!
For wanting a racist well away from our club? That says more about you then me btw.
leithsansiro
29-08-2023, 08:54 AM
Thought I’d give the world of AI a try and see if it could pick a new manager from Hibs, and here’s who the collective wisdom of the internet suggested;
Ian Evatt: Evatt gained recognition for his progressive playing style while managing Barrow AFC and Bolton Wanderers. His focus on possession-based football and building from the back could resonate well in Scotland.
Darrell Clarke: Clarke has managed Bristol Rovers, Walsall and Port Vale, gaining experience in the lower leagues of English football. His track record of achieving promotions and his pragmatic approach might suit a mid-sized Scottish club. Currently unemployed.
Mark Cooper: Cooper managed Forest Green Rovers, emphasizing a possession-based style of play. His commitment to sustainability and progressive tactics could make him an intriguing option. Relegated from the football league with Yeovil last season but was hampered throughout the year by injuries.
Danny Cowley: Cowley has managed clubs like Lincoln City, Huddersfield Town and most recently Portsmouth. His tactical acumen and ability to bring out the best in his players might make him a suitable candidate. Currently unemployed.
Least it’s a few different names, right?
SHODAN
29-08-2023, 09:01 AM
Mackay appointed; I won't be back until he's gone. Simple really.
Thankfully our board have more sense than that.
stuart-farquhar
29-08-2023, 09:02 AM
But Fred neither of them has any previous experience of Scottish football and according to the experts on here that's a must!!!
I think somehow Leith might be a tad different to what you recall. Not seen many more well connected places with a large number of quality eating and drinking establishments. Ok, the weather knocks off a few marks.
flash
29-08-2023, 09:03 AM
Thought I’d give the world of AI a try and see if it could pick a new manager from Hibs, and here’s who the collective wisdom of the internet suggested;
Ian Evatt: Evatt gained recognition for his progressive playing style while managing Barrow AFC and Bolton Wanderers. His focus on possession-based football and building from the back could resonate well in Scotland.
Darrell Clarke: Clarke has managed Bristol Rovers, Walsall and Port Vale, gaining experience in the lower leagues of English football. His track record of achieving promotions and his pragmatic approach might suit a mid-sized Scottish club. Currently unemployed.
Mark Cooper: Cooper managed Forest Green Rovers, emphasizing a possession-based style of play. His commitment to sustainability and progressive tactics could make him an intriguing option. Relegated from the football league with Yeovil last season but was hampered throughout the year by injuries.
Danny Cowley: Cowley has managed clubs like Lincoln City, Huddersfield Town and most recently Portsmouth. His tactical acumen and ability to bring out the best in his players might make him a suitable candidate. Currently unemployed.
Least it’s a few different names, right?
How about we go the whole hog and have a CGI manager. Programme in the best bits of all the great managers and see what the computer comes up with.
hibee-boys
29-08-2023, 09:10 AM
Mackay appointed; I won't be back until he's gone. Simple really.
Thankfully our board have more sense than that.
We live in a pretty sorry world where anyone can commit a wrongdoing and forever be judged because of their actions at that specific time. I haven’t got a clue whether he is a good candidate for the job or not but I’m happy to let the people who know him best, and the individuals who’ve worked alongside him for years, judge whether his mistakes have changed him as a person.
sauzee1989
29-08-2023, 09:14 AM
Mackay appointed; I won't be back until he's gone. Simple really.
Thankfully our board have more sense than that.
Exactly my thoughts but not on Mackay. Kevin Thomson won’t be back.
Forza Fred
29-08-2023, 09:19 AM
But Fred neither of them has any previous experience of Scottish football and according to the experts on here that's a must!!!
Indeed.
Look without trying to be a smart erse I get the clamour by some for a manager with ‘SPFL’ experience as they see that as an advantage.
I would rather we judged our new manager on what he’s done and if his skills in doing it are transferable.
Klopp, Murihno, hundreds of others may not have ‘SPFL experience’ but would be welcomed if we could afford them.
Nearly everybody and I mean everybody doubted Postecoglou when it was announced he was going to Celtic…many doubted him when he went to Spurs…probably even Robbie Williams!
The moral of the story is……don’t discount an applicant simply because he doesn’t have ‘SPFL’ experience….just make sure you get the best applicant wherever he comes from.
If you limit it to people only with SPFL experience it’s possible we could miss out on a gem.
I think Ange referred to it as ‘opening our minds’
flash
29-08-2023, 09:20 AM
Exactly my thoughts but not on Mackay. Kevin Thomson won’t be back.
Derek McInnes for me. (Not really but just wanted to join in.)
Donegal Hibby
29-08-2023, 09:22 AM
We live in a pretty sorry world where anyone can commit a wrongdoing and forever be judged because of their actions at that specific time. I haven’t got a clue whether he is a good candidate for the job or not but I’m happy to let the people who know him best, and the individuals who’ve worked alongside him for years, judge whether his mistakes have changed him as a person.
Mackay isn't a good candidate,what's he done like ? . If Hibs want to really split the Hibs support both Mackay and Martindale are the two best candidates. If either of them got it that's me done with Hibs till there gone!
HFC93
29-08-2023, 09:23 AM
I don’t really have strong feelings about most of the names mentioned so far and I’m feeling a bit indifferent about it all. However, Malky Mackay is 100% a no from for the reasons already outlined by other posters.
Unseen work
29-08-2023, 09:27 AM
I think Ross County pay far higher wages than some think and if he did get relegated last year (which he was very close to) he would have been sacked.
In comparison to Livi, Motherwell,Kilmarnock etc I think county would be above them lately.
Hibby-G
29-08-2023, 09:30 AM
Think what we need after LJ is someone who isn't going to divide the fan-base from minute one, and Malky Mackay is someone who would certainly split opinions. I don't think there's anything particularly exciting about him as a manager either. Certainly a no from me.
Since452
29-08-2023, 09:34 AM
Think what we need after LJ is someone who isn't going to divide the fan-base from minute one, and Malky Mackay is someone who would certainly split opinions. I don't think there's anything particularly exciting about him as a manager either. Certainly a no from me.
Exactly my thoughts. Mackay and Lennon would have people wanting them out from the start. We really want to have everyone pulling in the same direction. Someone like Ole would be great and immediately put bums on seats just because of who he is. Not saying we'd get him but would like that bit of glamour.
Crab apple
29-08-2023, 09:37 AM
What are people seeing in Malky Mackay that makes him an option at all?
I just don’t get it.
Putting aside his character, how is he doing a good job at Ross County? They stayed up last season only because Partick fell to pieces. They were absolutely ***** in those play off games, and they’re absolutely ***** every time I see them.
Totally agree. He should be ruled out for not being very good.
Paulie Walnuts
29-08-2023, 09:39 AM
Totally agree. He should be ruled out for not being very good.
:agree:
Being a racist ****bag is just the icing on the cake to the fact he’s not very good.
Victor
29-08-2023, 09:39 AM
Sarina Wiegman taken England as far as she can. Will she want to wait another 4 years before trying again for the WC, or accept an new challenge.? And Hibs would be a real challenge.
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Since452
29-08-2023, 09:41 AM
Sarina Wiegman taken England as far as she can. Will she want to wait another 4 years before trying again for the WC, or accept an new challenge.? And Hibs would be a real challenge.
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:agree: I'd actually quite like to see us go for a female manager. Would upset a lot of dinosaurs and give us a massive amount of publicity. We've traditionally been pioneers. Would fit in well with that.
SeanWilson
29-08-2023, 09:46 AM
Sarina Wiegman taken England as far as she can. Will she want to wait another 4 years before trying again for the WC, or accept an new challenge.? And Hibs would be a real challenge.
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😂😂😂😂
Hibbyradge
29-08-2023, 09:49 AM
I like Arnie, I really do, but I just can’t see him leaving his pad on Sydney’s northern beaches and the international stage for a flat in Leith and a trip now and then to St Mirren.
I certainly wouldn't.
I wanted to stay in Oz when I was there and I loved Sydney.
I really liked Melbourne, too, but the weather isn't as brilliant! 😃
Mon Dieu4
29-08-2023, 09:50 AM
Sarina Wiegman taken England as far as she can. Will she want to wait another 4 years before trying again for the WC, or accept an new challenge.? And Hibs would be a real challenge.
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She was on £400k a year before she signed an improved deal for an extension for a couple of years, between that an the buy out to even get her out her contract then it would be a small fortune
Since90+2
29-08-2023, 09:50 AM
😂😂😂😂
I'm not sure it's that silly a suggestion. Done better than every male manager England ladies have ever had. Won England their first ever European Championship.
What is so daft about it?
Smartie
29-08-2023, 09:51 AM
Think what we need after LJ is someone who isn't going to divide the fan-base from minute one, and Malky Mackay is someone who would certainly split opinions. I don't think there's anything particularly exciting about him as a manager either. Certainly a no from me.
Does such a person exist?
What we need is someone who will quickly win over the doubters.
I don't think MacKay could do that. His negative column contains stuff that a few wins wouldn't wipe away in the eyes of those who would be against him.
Johnson's problem wasn't that he had folk against him from the start, it was that he never managed to quite do enough to convince those who started out unconvinced.
the_ginger_hibee
29-08-2023, 09:52 AM
:agree: I'd actually quite like to see us go for a female manager. Would upset a lot of dinosaurs and give us a massive amount of publicity. We've traditionally been pioneers. Would fit in well with that.
Laughable. We need someone who has experience in Scotland, we can absolutely not gamble here. This is as big of a gamble as it gets. Also slightly weird that we'd just go for a woman just because they are a woman. If there was an outstanding candidate that had the experience needed, but just so happened to be a woman, that's one thing.
bingo70
29-08-2023, 09:52 AM
:agree:
Being a racist ****bag is just the icing on the cake to the fact he’s not very good.
Not a massive amount of difference between Killie and Ross county last season yet some seeing McInness as some sort of messiah.
Milky Mackay not for me though, nothing to do with his past, if give racism the red card are satisfied with his actions since then that’s good enough for me. I think people should be allowed forgiveness if they’ve owned their mistake and learned from it. Nobody is perfect, other than me obviously.
I just don’t think we should be targeting managers who finished in the bottom two or three places in the league last season.
AugustaHibs
29-08-2023, 09:54 AM
Sarina Wiegman taken England as far as she can. Will she want to wait another 4 years before trying again for the WC, or accept an new challenge.? And Hibs would be a real challenge.
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Absolutely not.
GreenPJ
29-08-2023, 09:55 AM
I certainly wouldn't.
I wanted to stay in Oz when I was there and I loved Sydney.
I really liked Melbourne, too, but the weather isn't as brilliant! 😃
I am only surmising but am assuming that he must be open to a move abroad otherwise he/his agent would have shut this down quickly?
Hibbyradge
29-08-2023, 09:57 AM
I am only surmising but am assuming that he must be open to a move abroad otherwise he/his agent would have shut this down quickly?
It's just press speculation. It probably doesn't merit being shut down and it enhances awareness of him and his profile.
Paulie Walnuts
29-08-2023, 09:59 AM
Not a massive amount of difference between Killie and Ross county last season yet some seeing McInness as some sort of messiah.
Milky Mackay not for me though, nothing to do with his past, if give racism the red card are satisfied with his actions since then that’s good enough for me. I think people should be allowed forgiveness if they’ve owned their mistake and learned from it. Nobody is perfect, other than me obviously.
I just don’t think we should be targeting managers who finished in the bottom two or three places in the league last season.
Not a massive amount last season, no, but McInnes was consolidating their place in the top tier after promotion rather than building on years in the top flight like Mackay was. McInnes also has years upon years of success to fall back on.
Consolidating a promoted sides place in the top tier is a much more impressive feat than coming perilously close to getting an established side relegated imo.
Unseen work
29-08-2023, 10:08 AM
Sarina Wiegman taken England as far as she can. Will she want to wait another 4 years before trying again for the WC, or accept an new challenge.? And Hibs would be a real challenge.
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Please no
Forza Fred
29-08-2023, 10:36 AM
I am only surmising but am assuming that he must be open to a move abroad otherwise he/his agent would have shut this down quickly?
I think it’s his agent who is inventing the ‘two championship’ clubs and possibly also Hibs interest.
Arnie is 60…and is contracted to the Australian team until the end of 2024 or 25 and I can’t see him going anywhere until then.
I can only assume his agent is looking for a pay rise for him and using the reported interest as leverage.
FWIW Arnie has always said his dream job would be managing Roda JC in Holland.
Mind you, football is a funny old game, so who knows……but for me, he’s a non starter.
Unseen work
29-08-2023, 10:52 AM
Must admit I feel a bit for Kevin Thomson.
Started out on his own doing his own coaching academy, went to rangers where he was full time doing their B team and then done what he considered to be the right thing to do by testing himself at Kelty Hearts - a challenge most in full time employment would probably be too scared to take on.
He went to Kelty and won the league in style.
Imo he speaks really well, gets the club, is so set on his style of play and what he wants from his squad that I genuinely believe he would be a success.
But because he went to Kelty it almost falls into the “does he deserve it, he’s only managed Kelty” type of chat.
People wanted John Kennedy.
Robson got the Aberdeen job.
Naismith (plus 2 🤣) got the Hearts job
Mowbray and Stubbs both for the Hibs
All without managing a first team before.
Im not saying he’s my pick and I appreciate some are sour about something he done when he was a young lad, but he’s changed since then and I would recommend people listen to some of the interviews he’s done
GreenGray
29-08-2023, 10:58 AM
Must admit I feel a bit for Kevin Thomson.
Started out on his own doing his own coaching academy, went to rangers where he was full time doing their B team and then done what he considered to be the right thing to do by testing himself at Kelty Hearts - a challenge most in full time employment would probably be too scared to take on.
He went to Kelty and won the league in style.
Imo he speaks really well, gets the club, is so set on his style of play and what he wants from his squad that I genuinely believe he would be a success.
But because he went to Kelty it almost falls into the “does he deserve it, he’s only managed Kelty” type of chat.
People wanted John Kennedy.
Robson got the Aberdeen job.
Naismith (plus 2 🤣) got the Hearts job
Mowbray and Stubbs both for the Hibs
All without managing a first team before.
Im not saying he’s my pick and I appreciate some are sour about something he done when he was a young lad, but he’s changed since then and I would recommend people listen to some of the interviews he’s done
I am inclined to agree.. Certainly should be considered imo, speaks well and is knowledgeable.
Still wouldn't be my pick though.
Saint Hibee
29-08-2023, 10:59 AM
Exactly my thoughts. Mackay and Lennon would have people wanting them out from the start. We really want to have everyone pulling in the same direction. Someone like Ole would be great and immediately put bums on seats just because of who he is. Not saying we'd get him but would like that bit of glamour.
I've no idea how feasible it would be, but I agree that Ole would be a hugely exciting appointment that could bring us all together. My own first choice would be Neil Francis Lennon, but admittedly, a unifying force he is not.
Paulie Walnuts
29-08-2023, 11:05 AM
Must admit I feel a bit for Kevin Thomson.
Started out on his own doing his own coaching academy, went to rangers where he was full time doing their B team and then done what he considered to be the right thing to do by testing himself at Kelty Hearts - a challenge most in full time employment would probably be too scared to take on.
He went to Kelty and won the league in style.
Imo he speaks really well, gets the club, is so set on his style of play and what he wants from his squad that I genuinely believe he would be a success.
But because he went to Kelty it almost falls into the “does he deserve it, he’s only managed Kelty” type of chat.
People wanted John Kennedy.
Robson got the Aberdeen job.
Naismith (plus 2 🤣) got the Hearts job
Mowbray and Stubbs both for the Hibs
All without managing a first team before.
Im not saying he’s my pick and I appreciate some are sour about something he done when he was a young lad, but he’s changed since then and I would recommend people listen to some of the interviews he’s done
Do we know why he hasn’t had another gig?
Who are the experts on here? Have they identified themselves as “the experts”?
Plenty of them, they operate undercover, only come out when it's time to give their considered expertise, as in must know Scottish football:confused:
:top marks
Indeed.
Look without trying to be a smart erse I get the clamour by some for a manager with ‘SPFL’ experience as they see that as an advantage.
I would rather we judged our new manager on what he’s done and if his skills in doing it are transferable.
Klopp, Murihno, hundreds of others may not have ‘SPFL experience’ but would be welcomed if we could afford them.
Nearly everybody and I mean everybody doubted Postecoglou when it was announced he was going to Celtic…many doubted him when he went to Spurs…probably even Robbie Williams!
The moral of the story is……don’t discount an applicant simply because he doesn’t have ‘SPFL’ experience….just make sure you get the best applicant wherever he comes from.
If you limit it to people only with SPFL experience it’s possible we could miss out on a gem.
I think Ange referred to it as ‘opening our minds’
Unseen work
29-08-2023, 11:14 AM
I like Arnie, I really do, but I just can’t see him leaving his pad on Sydney’s northern beaches and the international stage for a flat in Leith and a trip now and then to St Mirren.
He’s close to or may even be 60, and has been out of the club side for a while now.
Nick Montgomery on the other hand……
What type of managers are Arnie and Montgomery?
Keith_M
29-08-2023, 11:16 AM
I'm not sure it's that silly a suggestion. Done better than every male manager England ladies have ever had. Won England their first ever European Championship.
What is so daft about it?
No experience of Scottish Football.
She's probably on a very high salary.
Never managed a men's team.
The possibility that it might take some time (like it or not) for many of our players to adapt to the experience of having a female coach.
And finally: We should live in a world where it doesn't matter what the gender of our Head Coach is, but sadly we don't, so we'd have to accept that it would generate an incredibly high level of attention, especially in the media, at a time when we probably just need a period of stability.
JeMeSouviens
29-08-2023, 11:20 AM
Must admit I feel a bit for Kevin Thomson.
Started out on his own doing his own coaching academy, went to rangers where he was full time doing their B team and then done what he considered to be the right thing to do by testing himself at Kelty Hearts - a challenge most in full time employment would probably be too scared to take on.
He went to Kelty and won the league in style.
Imo he speaks really well, gets the club, is so set on his style of play and what he wants from his squad that I genuinely believe he would be a success.
But because he went to Kelty it almost falls into the “does he deserve it, he’s only managed Kelty” type of chat.
People wanted John Kennedy.
Robson got the Aberdeen job.
Naismith (plus 2 🤣) got the Hearts job
Mowbray and Stubbs both for the Hibs
All without managing a first team before.
Im not saying he’s my pick and I appreciate some are sour about something he done when he was a young lad, but he’s changed since then and I would recommend people listen to some of the interviews he’s done
I think Thomson might do a decent job and obviously anyone we get that did well would drop us in a heartbeat for a better gig. But chances are he just wouldn't be able to hide that he'd be treating us an extended audition for Hunsville. :rolleyes:
CapitalGreen
29-08-2023, 11:21 AM
Must admit I feel a bit for Kevin Thomson.
Started out on his own doing his own coaching academy, went to rangers where he was full time doing their B team and then done what he considered to be the right thing to do by testing himself at Kelty Hearts - a challenge most in full time employment would probably be too scared to take on.
He went to Kelty and won the league in style.
Imo he speaks really well, gets the club, is so set on his style of play and what he wants from his squad that I genuinely believe he would be a success.
But because he went to Kelty it almost falls into the “does he deserve it, he’s only managed Kelty” type of chat.
People wanted John Kennedy.
Robson got the Aberdeen job.
Naismith (plus 2 🤣) got the Hearts job
Mowbray and Stubbs both for the Hibs
All without managing a first team before.
Im not saying he’s my pick and I appreciate some are sour about something he done when he was a young lad, but he’s changed since then and I would recommend people listen to some of the interviews he’s done
Won League 2 in style with a playing budget comparable to some teams in the Championship.
SHODAN
29-08-2023, 11:33 AM
I assume the Wiegman incredulity is because she's on a far higher salary that we could afford and not because she's a woman. It's 2023, grow up.
easty
29-08-2023, 11:36 AM
I'm not sure it's that silly a suggestion. Done better than every male manager England ladies have ever had. Won England their first ever European Championship.
What is so daft about it?
She’s never managed anywhere near our level of football for a start. She’s working with players and against opposition teams who are completely incomparable to what she’d have to at Hibs.
She’s done great, but her achievements are no more deserving of a shot at the Hibs job than the manager of a highland league side for winning the highland league.
AugustaHibs
29-08-2023, 11:38 AM
I assume the Wiegman incredulity is because she's on a far higher salary that we could afford and not because she's a woman. It's 2023, grow up.
It’s also a completely different sport, that’s my reason.
Alfred E Newman
29-08-2023, 11:47 AM
:agree: I'd actually quite like to see us go for a female manager. Would upset a lot of dinosaurs and give us a massive amount of publicity. We've traditionally been pioneers. Would fit in well with that.
Goodness me.
Unseen work
29-08-2023, 11:47 AM
I assume the Wiegman incredulity is because she's on a far higher salary that we could afford and not because she's a woman. It's 2023, grow up.
I think it’s the risk.
Many don’t want Arnold and he’s a national team coach. Many don’t want umpteen other managers so for you to say people are saying it just because she’s a female is just a bit lazy to be frank.
If it was a male manager managing englands woman team I wouldn’t imagine the vast majority wouldn’t want him. What about the Hibs woman’s manager? Would you like him as manager?
Despite it being the same sport, I think there is still a massive difference between the men and female game. I’m not saying that in a bad or degrading way, I just think the styles and how they’re played are different. How she would transfer that to a mens game would be the risk many don’t want right now.
Paulie Walnuts
29-08-2023, 11:49 AM
I think it’s the risk.
Many don’t want Arnold and he’s a national team coach. Many don’t want umpteen other managers so for you to say people are saying it just because she’s a female is just a bit lazy to be frank.
If it was a male manager managing englands woman team I wouldn’t imagine the vast majority wouldn’t want him. What about the Hibs woman’s manager? Would you like him as manager?
Despite it being the same sport, I think there is still a massive difference between the men and female game. I’m not saying that in a bad or degrading way, I just think the styles and how they’re played are different. How she would transfer that to a mens game would be the risk many don’t want right now.
:agree:
A very sensible post.
SeanWilson
29-08-2023, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure it's that silly a suggestion. Done better than every male manager England ladies have ever had. Won England their first ever European Championship.
What is so daft about it?
Even hibs could beat the Spanish woman’s team. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Stop the woke nonsense.
keep the faith
29-08-2023, 11:49 AM
I think Thomson might do a decent job and obviously anyone we get that did well would drop us in a heartbeat for a better gig. But chances are he just wouldn't be able to hide that he'd be treating us an extended audition for Hunsville. :rolleyes:
My gut has always been that KT would be a good fit for the role for a number of reasons.
We should definitely speak to him. I would 100% put a no release to rangers clause in the contract though. Deadly serious. If he gets the gig, he should be more than happy to sign that.
Forza Fred
29-08-2023, 11:51 AM
What type of managers are Arnie and Montgomery?
Arnie is well liked by his squad, but not universally liked by the punters it must be said.
The general feeling going into the World Cup was that it was probably the poorest squad in recent times and an early elimination was on the cards.
However Arnie instilled a belief in them and they went further than a squad before them.
The famous French football paper L’Equipe awarded him a trophy for best manager in the finals.
Montgomery is undoubtedly the top coach in Oz.
He manages Central Coast Mariners…..a ‘provincial, club with close to the lowest budget in the league…and won the Championship with them beating Melbourne City6-1 in the Grand Final.
He should have got Manager of the Year, but surprisingly didn’t…and even the guy who did get it acknowledging in his acceptance speech that Monte should have got it.
Monte is a Scottish under 21 internationalist who played for Sheffield Utd,
He keeps the Mariners afloat by annually producing a string of young players from the youth set up who are on sold, and manages to identify and bring in experienced players from around the world, while not breaking the budget.
He coached Lewis Miller until he joined us, Garang Kuol was sold to Newcastle, and last season he had one go to Middlesbrough and another to Sunderland and a third to Aberdeen.
He is the guy who took a ‘broken’ Jason Cummings and turned him into a World Cup player…..forget the Jason you think left Scotland..he was a player reborn.
Jason on more than one occasion before he left for big money said that Monte changed his life and that if he had coached him when he was younger he would have been playing in the EPL now!
The players and fans love him, and he has had previous offers which he has knocked back…..Mariners chairman said he was glad he didn’t go to Motherwell as he expects him to manage in the EPL one day.
All heady stuff……..I know….
He certainly ticks all the boxes….but I’m not sure Hibs would be brave enough to appoint him just now…..the punters seem to want to stick to their opinion that the incoming manager must have SPFL experience…..although why you would limit your choices baffles me sometimes.
There may well be better candidates, I don’t know who is on the short list…….but he is certainly worthy of consideration.
Callum_62
29-08-2023, 12:15 PM
Even hibs could beat the Spanish woman’s team. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Stop the woke nonsense.Why is his suggestion woke?
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