Who for next manager?

[greenlex]

Presumably from different tribes. 🤔

😂😂😂

[Golden Bear]

Is it not Karl Robinson?

Ah - you're right. I had read the headline on my mobile feed and jumped to the wrong conclusion.

[shetlandhibee]

Thanks for the decent replies.

Happy to accept that we've spoken to NM and been impressed enough to fly him over for an interview. I don't think that makes him favourite for the job though.

My own thoughts are that that puts him in a similar position to maybe 2 or 3 others that we will have already sounded out but don't need to fly over from the other side of the world.

I'd also guess that these few interviews will be done over the coming days with an announcement by the end of next week.

I'd be hugely surprised if the club have already decided he's the man or offered him the job already.
sensible post :top marks

[Since90+2]

Should we just not bother then and just offer it to some random? Interview is a huge part of finding the right candidate who will be able to work with our DoF I would think?!

We should 100% interview, but I sort of agree with what the poster is saying. Some people are very good at interviewing but actually rubbish at their job, not just in football but in any industry.

I'd hope we wouldn't base it purely on who gave the best interview.

[K-Zazu]

Didn’t Robinson get sacked from Morecambe? Could be wrong

[Bridge hibs]

Didn’t Robinson get sacked from Morecambe? Could be wrongNo he left them to join St Mirren, wasnt sacked

[Skol]

The only thing we know is that we asked Arnold if he was interested and he said no. We have good information that suggests Montgomery is interested and has or will be spoken to. We know Lennon is interested. Beyond that I think it’s all speculation on who we may or may not be interested in or have spoken to.

Based on that information Montgomery is the one who there is strongest information on, so he appears the favourite. However there is no guarantee. There could be another left field candidate or one of the more known ones could be in the frame.

[ekhibee]

You've got to think it's going to be Montgomery. Do people honestly think he'd chuck a great job in Oz, ignore the pleas from their chairman offering him an even better deal only for him to be told by Hibs that he's not what they're looking for? I reckon it's a done deal whether people on here wanted him or not.

[James70]

NM has an impressive CV but how does his current league compare, is it more Scottish Championship level than SPL?

Obviously he is an ambitious young manager looking to come home and if he doesn't get the Hibs job he will be looking elsewhere in Scotland or England.

[AlbertK86]

Presumably from different tribes. [emoji848]

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[Donegal Hibby]

This says Lennon's not one of the Five candidates . I would be surprised if Montgomery doesn't get it now , wonder who the other four candidates are ?.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-neil-lennon-to-miss-out-as-hibs-close-in-on-lee-johnsons-successor-4283482

[Kato]

This says Lennon's not one of the Five candidates . I would be surprised if Montgomery doesn't get it now , wonder who the other four candidates are ?.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-neil-lennon-to-miss-out-as-hibs-close-in-on-lee-johnsons-successor-4283482Seems like Lennon was only favourite because he said he was up for it but wasn't in the frame at all.

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[bingo70]

This says Lennon's not one of the Five candidates . I would be surprised if Montgomery doesn't get it now , wonder who the other four candidates are ?.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-neil-lennon-to-miss-out-as-hibs-close-in-on-lee-johnsons-successor-4283482

If that’s true I find that really surprising. Be astounded if it’s not Montgomery now if we’ve gone to the efforts of agreeing compensation and flying him in from Australia.

Would love to know who the other candidates are, Bradley will be one I think, I don’t think anybody like Robinson or McInnes would want to go through an interview process like this.

[Callum_62]

This says Lennon's not one of the Five candidates . I would be surprised if Montgomery doesn't get it now , wonder who the other four candidates are ?.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-neil-lennon-to-miss-out-as-hibs-close-in-on-lee-johnsons-successor-4283482Bradley

Wonder why that polish guy was dropped?

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[Lago]

Bradley

Wonder why that polish guy was dropped?

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Didn't understand the Scottish game :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Didn’t Robinson get sacked from Morecambe? Could be wrong

No, he made a Wise move

[xyz23jc]

Seems like Lennon was only favourite because he said he was up for it but wasn't in the frame at all.

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Weej Meej! :greengrin

[007]

This says Lennon's not one of the Five candidates . I would be surprised if Montgomery doesn't get it now , wonder who the other four candidates are ?.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-neil-lennon-to-miss-out-as-hibs-close-in-on-lee-johnsons-successor-4283482

Not a surprise Lennon isn't in the running. Gray, Daz, Lewis, Hanlon and Boyle all able to tell BM how it ended last time.

[Donegal Hibby]

If that’s true I find that really surprising. Be astounded if it’s not Montgomery now if we’ve gone to the efforts of agreeing compensation and flying him in from Australia.

Would love to know who the other candidates are, Bradley will be one I think, I don’t think anybody like Robinson or McInnes would want to go through an interview process like this.

Yeah I'd surprised too . Surely you just wouldn't agree compensation and fly him in from Australia if you weren't going to give him the job ? .

Bradley could be one though can't see Robinson or McInnes being any because of what you say and would it not be hard to keep quiet if they did agree to the interview process? .

I still think it will be Montgomery that gets it tbh.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not a surprise Lennon isn't in the running. Gray, Daz, Lewis, Hanlon and Boyle all able to tell BM how it ended last time.
We couldn't go back for Lennon the way he carried on the last time , imo he had his chance and blew it !

[Hibees1973]

Just heard a rumour from a decent source that Marti Cifuentes (currently at Hammarby in Sweden) is getting interviewed in a couple of days.

[S4uzee]

Just heard a rumour from a decent source that Marti Cifuentes (currently at Hammarby in Sweden) is getting interviewed in a couple of days.

Have folk ITK not indicated it’s definitely Montgomery?

[bingo70]

Yeah I'd surprised too . Surely you just wouldn't agree compensation and fly him in from Australia if you weren't going to give him the job ? .

Bradley could be one though can't see Robinson or McInnes being any because of what you say and would it not be hard to keep quiet if they did agree to the interview process? .

I still think it will be Montgomery that gets it tbh.

The cynic in me is wondering if we’ve leaked this to the journalist (very common for stories like this for clubs to control the narrative) so we can then say we spoke to another 4 candidates but NM blew them all our the water cos he was so good etc…….

Taking it at face value though and if there are other names on the list then they could be some exciting names. If we’re looking at guys of the calibre of Montgomery and already ruled out that Polish guy who had an incredible cv then you’d think the other folk must be pretty good too!

Martin Anselmi’s name randomly appeared on the betting earlier in the process, I wonder if he could be one of the names being interviewed.

[Scottie]

Just heard a rumour from a decent source that Marti Cifuentes (currently at Hammarby in Sweden) is getting interviewed in a couple of days.
Was it from the girl down the nail bar :dunno:

[Forza Fred]

He's seems to be quite small though must have something about him when he was voted there best player last year I think it was . .




Some of them have moved on though hopefully there's one or two left we might have an edge in getting if we appoint Montgomery . Wonder if the winger hertz were after is getting his game in England , he looked good tbh .

Sammy Silveri

Yes, he is regularly getting game time for Middlesbrough.

Scored for them in the League Cup.

Currently over in Texas with Boyler and the rest of the Socceroos and expected to make his Socceroo debut against Mexico in a friendly.

[HoboHarry]

Sammy Silveri

Yes, he is regularly getting game time for Middlesbrough.

Scored for them in the League Cup.

Currently over in Texas with Boyler and the rest of the Socceroos and expected to make his Socceroo debut against Mexico in a friendly.

Really? When is that?

Edit, just Google it and it's a fair bit away from me. Hoped it was in Houston.

[Hibees1973]

Have folk ITK not indicated it’s definitely Montgomery?

Not claiming to be ITK. Just know a friend of a friend, etc at EM who mentioned Cifuentes is in the frame. An appointment is targeted for late next week.

[Borderhibbie76]

Not claiming to be ITK. Just know a friend of a friend, etc at EM who mentioned Cifuentes is in the frame. An appointment is targeted for late next week.It will be announced long before the end of next week IMHO, I reckon Monday at the latest

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[Iain G]

Not claiming to be ITK. Just know a friend of a friend, etc at EM who mentioned Cifuentes is in the frame. An appointment is targeted for late next week.

Was linked to the jambos in the summer, seems to have moved quite a lot in his career.

[Kato]

Weej Meej! :greengrinTotes

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[Forza Fred]

If that’s true I find that really surprising. Be astounded if it’s not Montgomery now if we’ve gone to the efforts of agreeing compensation and flying him in from Australia.

Would love to know who the other candidates are, Bradley will be one I think, I don’t think anybody like Robinson or McInnes would want to go through an interview process like this.

It is the Daily Record who is supplying the information mainly om Monte, which is repeated by other papers…..that makes me continue to be open minded about any possible outcome.

The Record actually said that Hibs had agreed the compensation amount with the clubs of all the interviewees prior to interviewing, and that this was what they did last time.

That statement made me wonder if that is true.

Also they report the agreed compensation fee as £50,000 which would be circ$100k in my money.

That does not seem much, and knowing a bit about the Mariners Chairman/part owner, Richard Pell…I would be very surprised if he settled for such a paltry amount to release him from his contract.

I can only assume the Record is making the amount up, or…that Monte had a release clause in his contract stipulating that amount.

I’m leaning towards it being Monte but will stick to the fact, as opposed to rumour that 2 things need to happen

1 Hibs need to offer him the job
2 Monte needs to accept the offer

Neither has happened as far as I know, and 2 should not just be taken for granted just because 1 may have.

While there is a lot of noise about, at the moment I haven’t seen a trustworthy report that either or both has happened.

[bingo70]

Just heard a rumour from a decent source that Marti Cifuentes (currently at Hammarby in Sweden) is getting interviewed in a couple of days.

Are we sure this Cifuentes guy even exists? He’s like the modern day Stuart Baxter, getting linked to every job going without ever getting them.

[NGoloGrantie]

Just heard a rumour from a decent source that Marti Cifuentes (currently at Hammarby in Sweden) is getting interviewed in a couple of days.

In that Scotsman article it said that interview process is now over [emoji2369]

Could well be one of the 4 other people who got interviewed though, I wouldn’t rule him out. I also think we would’ve gave the polish boy an interview. No chance we turn someone down with that type of CV imo.

Really hope it’s Montgomery though got my heart set on him now for some reason.


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[Hibbyradge]

Not claiming to be ITK. Just know a friend of a friend, etc at EM who mentioned Cifuentes is in the frame. An appointment is targeted for late next week.

Your previous post said in the next couple of days.

Now it's late next week.

I wonder what could possibly have happened to put it back a week. I think we should be told.

:rolleyes:

[Forza Fred]

Your previous post said in the next couple of days.

Now it's late next week.

I wonder what could possibly have happened to put it back a week. I think we should be told.

:rolleyes:

I find it difficult to believe that Hibs would agree to such a long drawn out process.

[ElginHibbie]

I find it difficult to believe that Hibs would agree to such a long drawn out process.

And goes completely against the nail bar rumour, which I choose to believe in 100% just for the fun of it

[Crazyhorse]

No, he made a Wise move

👍

[JohnM1875]

I'd be hugely surprised if it isn't Montgomery now. All the press stuff and folk that have heard it's him. Surely only a matter of time?

I'd guess tomorrow or Friday.

[Daily Hibs]

So you and daily Hibs would take someone like butcher back again then? Someone whos a tough guy, give Kendall a bit of a rollicking as well as the players? Have you all forgotten the outcry when Lenny mouthed off and threw players under the bus in public for being too boy band?

Do you really think that this is how top managers operate now? I can't see Ange behaving this way. I think you're both ignoring the impact and importance of having McDermott in post, someone that kensall appointed having recognised after internal review of the gaps and failings within the club.

This is a big opportunity for McDermott to show his accumen too, so why not look forward and try to evolve as a club than harking back to some revisionist view of how wonderful tough guy managers are in Scotland, cos that's apparently the way to success here??

That's some stretch to go from a manager in Australia that we know very little about to the worst manager we've had by far since Jim Duffy.

Wow.

Have you not noticed how many times I've said I think McInnes is the right man for us just now?

[Hibs3-2]

I'd be hugely surprised if it isn't Montgomery now. All the press stuff and folk that have heard it's him. Surely only a matter of time?

I'd guess tomorrow or Friday.

Announced tomorrow.

[Daily Hibs]

It just seems a right Hibs appointment, there's candidates on our doorstep that you could say are the obvious choices, but we go take someone from the other side of the world. Obviously you're hoping we get this right, if it's Montgomery, but if it doesn't work out, the board will take some amount of stick considering the 3 Choices available on our doorstep that we've overlooked. But it's unfair to question Monty's character without giving him a chance, that's for sure. I'm just yet to see a manager actually challenge this board, I get the impression with this board is a character that's stronger(louder) than them wouldn't be the right fit, I've got visions of Lennon shoving Kensall up against a door on deadline day😂.

And some of us get annoyed when taunted with Hibsedit.if it is NM and it's a repeat of Maloney that will proper making a Hibs of it.

Having had Maloney recently not work out someone unknown again as a manager is far too risky.

[007]

In that Scotsman article it said that interview process is now over [emoji2369]

Could well be one of the 4 other people who got interviewed though, I wouldn’t rule him out. I also think we would’ve gave the polish boy an interview. No chance we turn someone down with that type of CV imo.

Really hope it’s Montgomery though got my heart set on him now for some reason.

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Sounds like the interview process hasn't quite finished, the article says:
"...as the interview process draws to a close..."

I'm relatively open minded and will get fully behind whoever gets it. I'm pleased at how quickly we seem to be sorting it.

Whoever it is has a decent set of opening fixtures before we go to Tynie on 7th Oct.

Killie (a)
St Johnstone (h)
St Mirren (h) League Cup
Dundee (h)

Certainly preferable to the new Hearts manager's. Not the worst but they're terrible away from home, what's the record for the quickest sacking? That 1st one could be an El Sackico if there's a big defeat either way.

Aberdeen (h)
St Mirren (a)
Killie (a) League
Ross County (a)

[tonyrougier123]

Just heard a rumour from a decent source that Marti Cifuentes (currently at Hammarby in Sweden) is getting interviewed in a couple of days.

I’d be more than happy with an appointment like that.
Thinking outside the box type appointment.

[B.H.F.C]

And some of us get annoyed when taunted with Hibsedit.if it is NM and it's a repeat of Maloney that will proper making a Hibs of it.

Having had Maloney recently not work out someone unknown again as a manager is far too risky.

There isn’t really a comparison between Montgomery and Maloney.

Montgomery has done two years as a manager and three years as assistant before that.

Maloney put the cones out for some very good players every few months.

[GreenPJ]

I’d be more than happy with an appointment like that.
Thinking outside the box type appointment.

Would Montgomery not also be outside the box?

[JohnM1875]

Announced tomorrow.

🤞🏻

[Baader]

Would be happy if its Montgomery. Just think he would do something.

[Forza Fred]

And some of us get annoyed when taunted with Hibsedit.if it is NM and it's a repeat of Maloney that will proper making a Hibs of it.

Having had Maloney recently not work out someone unknown again as a manager is far too risky.

Well, he’s obviously not unknown or Hibs wouldn’t be interviewing him would they?

[JohnM1875]

Well, he’s obviously not unknown or Hibs wouldn’t be interviewing him would they?

I think in this instance unknown = not McInnes.

[HFC93]

And some of us get annoyed when taunted with Hibsedit.if it is NM and it's a repeat of Maloney that will proper making a Hibs of it.

Having had Maloney recently not work out someone unknown again as a manager is far too risky.

The Maloney comparison doesn't really make any sense.

[Forza Fred]

The Maloney comparison doesn't really make any sense.

Not to me either.

On another topic…….

I also think we have a few infiltrators on here whose sole aim is to cause division, so I take a few of the posts with a pinch of salt.

[Stuart93]

I’d be more than happy with an appointment like that.
Thinking outside the box type appointment.

NM is outside the box as well no?

Can’t think of many A league winning coaches we’ve hired

[Betty Boop]

Billy Reid is on the short list.

[Heisenberg]

The Maloney comparison doesn't really make any sense.

It couldn’t be more different.

[babahibs]

On another topic…….

I also think we have a few infiltrators on here whose sole aim is to cause division, so I take a few of the posts with a pinch of salt.

Definitely, they're very obvious.

[MrSmith]

Not to me either.

On another topic…….

I also think we have a few infiltrators on here whose sole aim is to cause division, so I take a few of the posts with a pinch of salt.

You are more patient than me! There are a mountian of such infiltrators out in the open on here. Funny how small minded pathetic morons take pleasure in wasting their time, I guess they are the sum of all they ever will be! MORONS!

[JimBHibees]

Billy Reid is on the short list.

Wouldn't be unhappy with that to be honest. Done a great job with Accies and obviously pivotal to Potters success down south.

[Since452]

Billy Reid is on the short list.

I hope so.

[JimBHibees]

I find it difficult to believe that Hibs would agree to such a long drawn out process.

Agree think it will be announced next couple of days whoever it is.

[bingo70]

Billy Reid is on the short list.

Is that just something you’ve heard or is it being reported somewhere?

Certainly got plenty experience.

[JimBHibees]

And some of us get annoyed when taunted with Hibsedit.if it is NM and it's a repeat of Maloney that will proper making a Hibs of it.

Having had Maloney recently not work out someone unknown again as a manager is far too risky.

He isn't unknown

[Since452]

He isn't unknown

To be fair I'd heard of Maloney. Hadn't heard of Montgomery 😉 Thought we were after Colin!

[Gmack7]

Billy Reid is on the short list.

Good, has gained great experience over the last few years at the top level

[Scorrie]

Billy Reid is on the short list.

That’s good. Would be a very good appointment IMHO

[Daily Hibs]

He isn't unknown

Let's be honest, he is as unknown as it gets and would as left field an appointment as Maloney even although he was known as a coach it was still a strange appointment.

Majority of us have never heard of him.

He's never played or managed in Scotland. A League football, what standard is that even comparable to?

[GreenPJ]

Let's be honest, he is as unknown as it gets and would as left field an appointment as Maloney even although he was known as a coach it was still a strange appointment.

Majority of us have never heard of him.

He's never played or managed in Scotland. A League football, what standard is that even comparable to?

Ask Ang what standard A league is. And you do realise there is quite a large world and population outside of the EH post code area.

[Daily Hibs]

Ask Ang what standard A league is. And you do realise there is quite a large world and population outside of the EH post code area.

So we appoint a manager from Australia because Ange was a success at Celtic?

Ange was a proven international manager in different leagues. I'd argue J League is a much better league than SPFL.

[Aldo]

To be fair I'd heard of Maloney. Hadn't heard of Montgomery [emoji6] Thought we were after Colin!

Colin is out of the equation unfortunately as the board thought he had been through too many clubs??

[Aldo]

Let's be honest, he is as unknown as it gets and would as left field an appointment as Maloney even although he was known as a coach it was still a strange appointment.

Majority of us have never heard of him.

He's never played or managed in Scotland. A League football, what standard is that even comparable to?

Who cares if he’s not played or managed in Scotland! Why does that have to be a must for a manager.

We’ve thought outwith the box and I’d like to think we’ve learnt from our mistakes.

[bingo70]

Let's be honest, he is as unknown as it gets and would as left field an appointment as Maloney even although he was known as a coach it was still a strange appointment.

Majority of us have never heard of him.

He's never played or managed in Scotland. A League football, what standard is that even comparable to?

He isn’t anywhere near to as unknown as it gets, I don’t watch A-league football but I’d heard of him!

The fact that quite a few players have played in the Scottish premier league and the A-league suggests they’re of a relatively comparable standard. Scottish league might be better but we’re not talking Sunday amateur here.

It’s also not a competition between the two of them. Doesn’t really matter what one is better, the only question is if his skills are transferable to this country and everything I’ve read and heard about the guy suggests they will be.

I still hope it’s Montgomery. Billy Reid isn’t for me, plenty experience but it’s been a while since he was a manager himself, does he really want to go down that road again or is he just doing it because he’s not working currently? I want our manager to be highly motivated with their career on an upward trajectory.

Stephen Bradley sounds interesting and I’m not against him getting the job, I’m a bit surprised at the lack of enthusiasm from Irish posters about him though. I get the impression he’s maybe not as popular as he should be judging him purely on his CV, find that a bit odd.

[WhileTheChief..]

He isn't unknown

None of us had heard of NM until he was linked with us!!

Well, maybe 1 or 2 Hibs fans that live in Oz, but other than that his name came out of the blue.

When LJ was sacked I doubt anyone on here was thinking great, lets go for that lad from Oz that managed Cummings!

We've barely started interviewing anyone yet and it will prob be this time next week until an appointment is made. The club already said they would use the time from the international break to do their search so it's unlikely they'll be done by tomorrow.

[J-C]

Let's be honest, he is as unknown as it gets and would as left field an appointment as Maloney even although he was known as a coach it was still a strange appointment.

Majority of us have never heard of him.

He's never played or managed in Scotland. A League football, what standard is that even comparable to?

So 349 games for Sheffield United doesn't count but let's go for Lennon who left us in a mess and screwed up 10 in a row for Celtic. You also realise the SPFL is a pretty naff standard nowadays, just look at European results as we got beat from the mighty Escaldes of Andorra.

[WhileTheChief..]

Ask Ang what standard A league is. And you do realise there is quite a large world and population outside of the EH post code area.

Why did Ange leave Oz if it was so good there?

They all try to leave Oz as soon as possible, nobody sticks around there.

Even NM's team that won the league. They sold 6 or 7 players as soon as the season was over and now NM himself wants to jump ship after 1 good season.

If the league was a decent standard why do they all want to leave it so quickly?!

[Springbank]

None of us had heard of NM until he was linked with us!!

Well, maybe 1 or 2 Hibs fans that live in Oz, but other than that his name came out of the blue.

When LJ was sacked I doubt anyone on here was thinking great, lets go for that lad from Oz that managed Cummings!

We've barely started interviewing anyone yet and it will prob be this time next week until an appointment is made. The club already said they would use the time from the international break to do their search so it's unlikely they'll be done by tomorrow.

Let's chat in January after you've seen what the new manager can do

Til then, it comes across that you've pre-judged here & no amount of clues will change your view.

Fair dos

But when a chairman sounds desperate to keep NM & players / fans express how devastated they'll be if he leaves, those are usually clues.

The last manager we had like that was Mowbray

[Victor]

Let's be honest, he is as unknown as it gets and would as left field an appointment as Maloney even although he was known as a coach it was still a strange appointment.

Majority of us have never heard of him.

He's never played or managed in Scotland. A League football, what standard is that even comparable to?

Population of Australia - 26 million. Population of Scotland 5.5 million. Now not suggesting that everyone in Australia knows NM, but I would suggest that more than the whole population of our Country might be aware of him.

I think you will have to define, ‘as unknown as it gets’

[thebausburst]

Population of Australia - 26 million. Population of Scotland 5.5 million. Now not suggesting that everyone in Australia knows NM, but I would suggest that more than the whole population of our Country might be aware of him.

I think you will have to define, ‘as unknown as it gets’

I agree with the OP, guys a total unknown and has managed less than 60 games in a league where Cummings, who couldn’t even get in a poor Dundee side, was considered a star player! If it’s him it’s yet another left field experimental appointment from Hibs however you choose to dress it up.

[K-Zazu]

I agree with the OP, guys a total unknown and has managed less than 60 games in a league where Cummings, who couldn’t even get in a poor Dundee side, was considered a star player! If it’s him it’s yet another left field experimental appointment from Hibs however you choose to dress it up.

This, it’s a pub league.

[Brightside]

None of us had heard of NM until he was linked with us!!

Well, maybe 1 or 2 Hibs fans that live in Oz, but other than that his name came out of the blue.

When LJ was sacked I doubt anyone on here was thinking great, lets go for that lad from Oz that managed Cummings!

We've barely started interviewing anyone yet and it will prob be this time next week until an appointment is made. The club already said they would use the time from the international break to do their search so it's unlikely they'll be done by tomorrow.

Speak for yourself . Your man is not involved and we can all sleep easy now.

[Heisenberg]

This, it’s a pub league.

And we get all wound up when the English talk the same way about our leagues 🙄

[04Sauzee]

I agree with the OP, guys a total unknown and has managed less than 60 games in a league where Cummings, who couldn’t even get in a poor Dundee side, was considered a star player! If it’s him it’s yet another left field experimental appointment from Hibs however you choose to dress it up.

11 goals in 35 isn't a complete disaster at Dundee. Dundee have done well at letting talent slip through their fingers think Leighton, Boyle , Allan.

I'm not even sure it was what he did on the pitch that let Dundee allow Cummings to leave.

[easty]

And we get all wound up when the English talk the same way about our leagues 🙄

Do we?

[CowgateHarp1875]

If it is to be Montgomery then he'll be demanding a similar contract length to Johnson especially with him moving from the other side of the globe. If this experiment doesn't go to plan that would be at least 3 previous managers contracts we would be paying up.

We don't need another project. We have enough quality in this squad to be challenging for 3rd. What we need is a proven manager at this level. Just because some A-League players play in our league does not mean the A-League is anywhere near our level.

[Heisenberg]

Do we?

A considerable number of Scottish fans appear to get very defensive about it, yes.

[CapitalGreen]

If it is to be Montgomery then he'll be demanding a similar contract length to Johnson especially with him moving from the other side of the globe. If this experiment doesn't go to plan that would be at least 3 previous managers contracts we would be paying up.

We don't need another project. We have enough quality in this squad to be challenging for 3rd. What we need is a proven manager at this level. Just because some A-League players play in our league does not mean the A-League is anywhere near our level.

We don’t pay the full length of a contract when a manager is sacked.

[easty]

11 goals in 35 isn't a complete disaster at Dundee. Dundee have done well at letting talent slip through their fingers think Leighton, Boyle , Allan.

I'm not even sure it was what he did on the pitch that let Dundee allow Cummings to leave.

He got 14 in 34, and only 19 of them were starts.

I think it’s a very good return for a Dundee striker.

[04Sauzee]

If it is to be Montgomery then he'll be demanding a similar contract length to Johnson especially with him moving from the other side of the globe. If this experiment doesn't go to plan that would be at least 3 previous managers contracts we would be paying up.

We don't need another project. We have enough quality in this squad to be challenging for 3rd. What we need is a proven manager at this level. Just because some A-League players play in our league does not mean the A-League is anywhere near our level.

Proven in this league?

Does that mean Lennon, McInnes, Robinson, Mackay or Kettlewell?

Neilson isn't currently working, got a team into the group stages of Europe.

[GreenPJ]

So we appoint a manager from Australia because Ange was a success at Celtic?

Ange was a proven international manager in different leagues. I'd argue J League is a much better league than SPFL.

How did he get the job in J League, because he did well in the A league. If you are saying the J League is better than SPFL then if they are looking at managers who have cut their teeth in A league (Ang was not the only manager there from the A league) then does that not evidence that the A league is a decent place to look for managerial talent. Clearly you don't want Montgomery, that is your perogative but just because you don't want him doesn't allow you to discredit the process Hibs have gone through.

Whether you like him or not he is highly rated in Australia as a manager/coach and he has been touted as managing in England one day.

[CL0762]

None of us had heard of NM until he was linked with us!!

Well, maybe 1 or 2 Hibs fans that live in Oz, but other than that his name came out of the blue.

When LJ was sacked I doubt anyone on here was thinking great, lets go for that lad from Oz that managed Cummings!

We've barely started interviewing anyone yet and it will prob be this time next week until an appointment is made. The club already said they would use the time from the international break to do their search so it's unlikely they'll be done by tomorrow.

How do you know we’ve barely started interviewing anyone yet?

That’s a loaded post and definitely includes ITK info, can you share it with us?

[CockneyRebel]

Do we?

When it suits, yes.

[GreenPJ]

Why did Ange leave Oz if it was so good there?

They all try to leave Oz as soon as possible, nobody sticks around there.

Even NM's team that won the league. They sold 6 or 7 players as soon as the season was over and now NM himself wants to jump ship after 1 good season.

If the league was a decent standard why do they all want to leave it so quickly?!

Why do players/managers who play/manage clubs like ours with the chance of Europe every season jump at the first opportunity to go and play for a mid table League One club down south where they are unlikely to ever win anything, never compete in Europe and success is defined by not being relegated.

Does he want to jump ship or has an opportunity come along where we approached him (possibly) and he sees it as a natural step on the career path.

[CowgateHarp1875]

Proven in this league?

Does that mean Lennon, McInnes, Robinson, Mackay or Kettlewell?

Neilson isn't currently working, got a team into the group stages of Europe.


Personally I would have went for Lennon myself mate but all those you've mentioned bar Neilson should all be candidates for our job. Is it just a coincidence that our most successful managers have all played and managed in this league? I don't think it is.

[bingo70]

Was the Australian A league not better represented at the World Cup than the SPFL? Must have been a similar amount.

Easy to dismiss that as being down to the fact Australia qualified and we never however Australia got to the last 16 which shows the players are competent as well.

[Forza Fred]

Josh Nisbet I’d take.

Would probably be our smallest player since wee Johnny Grant (not John Grant) in the 60’s.

He’s no bad though.

[Slim Shady]

Why did Ange leave Oz if it was so good there?

They all try to leave Oz as soon as possible, nobody sticks around there.

Even NM's team that won the league. They sold 6 or 7 players as soon as the season was over and now NM himself wants to jump ship after 1 good season.

If the league was a decent standard why do they all want to leave it so quickly?!

CCM never actually won the league.

They finished 2nd - 11 points behind Melbourne.

CCM won the playoff.

[GreenPJ]

Personally I would have went for Lennon myself mate but all those you've mentioned bar Neilson should all be candidates for our job. Is it just a coincidence that our most successful managers have all played and managed in this league? I don't think it is.

By successful I presume you measure that by trophies so in the relatively recent past (last 30+ years) you are looking at 3 managers - Collins and Stubbs, neither of which managed in Scotland before and Stubbs hadn't managed above U21 level and Alex Miller started his managerial career in China. John Collins had never managed anyone before us.

[Since452]

I've gone from being slightly concerned about Montgomery and his credentials for managing Hibs to really hoping we don't appoint him the more i think about it.

[GreenPJ]

I've gone from being slightly concerned about Montgomery and his credentials for managing Hibs to really hoping we don't appoint him.

On what basis?

[jeffers]

I've gone from being slightly concerned about Montgomery and his credentials for managing Hibs to really hoping we don't appoint him.

You are going to be disappointed then.

[Northernhibee]

This, it’s a pub league.

They’re a nation who got to the knockout stages of the World
Cup.

[Forza Fred]

Let's be honest, he is as unknown as it gets and would as left field an appointment as Maloney even although he was known as a coach it was still a strange appointment.

Majority of us have never heard of him.

He's never played or managed in Scotland. A League football, what standard is that even comparable to?

Those involved in football in a professional capacity certainly know of him…….even Motherwell made a move for him…….and I think Hibs recruitment is probably better informed than them.

Majority of punters never heard of him………well, it’s big world out there….

[Hibbyradge]

Not to me either.

On another topic…….

I also think we have a few infiltrators on here whose sole aim is to cause division, so I take a few of the posts with a pinch of salt.

Undoubtedly.

[CapitalGreen]

Personally I would have went for Lennon myself mate but all those you've mentioned bar Neilson should all be candidates for our job. Is it just a coincidence that our most successful managers have all played and managed in this league? I don't think it is.

Is it a coincidence that our worst managers have all played and managed in this league too?

[Forza Fred]

CCM never actually won the league.

They finished 2nd - 11 points behind Melbourne.

CCM won the playoff.

No.

They won the championship of Australia.

Scroll some pages back for an explanation of how it works in Oz….I Cannae be bothered going over it again

[JohnM1875]

CCM never actually won the league.

They finished 2nd - 11 points behind Melbourne.

CCM won the playoff.

CCM are listed anywhere you check as current A-League Champions. Pretty sure they wouldn't be if they didn't win the League.

"Finals series

The top six clubs at the conclusion of the regular season progress to the finals series. The finals series culminates to the A-League grand final, where the winner is crowned A-League champion."

[Since452]

On what basis?

He's not actually won a league as you'd expect it. He won a playoff game in a lower level of football than the Scottish Premiership. He's managed around 60 odd games i think? He's never played in Scotland. All the best managers in our history have either played or managed in Scotland. The ones who haven't have failed spectacularly or been quickly emptied.

[jeffers]

No.

They won the championship of Australia.

Scroll some pages back for an explanation of how it works in Oz….I Cannae be bothered going over it again

:agree: At the start of the season the ambition is to win the Grand Final, not finish minor premiers. That’s exactly what CCM and Montgomery achieved.

[matty_f]

I, for one, am all aboard the Montgomery Express.

Since his name came up I went digging for as much info on him as I could find* and everything about him screams success.

There's a couple of clips after CCM win the trophy where players (Cummings included) thank him for changing their lives.

Without any other information, that's enough to tell me that he'll get a team running through walls for him. That he's backed that up with success on the pitch, that he values hard work and a strong team ethic, and can bring out the best in people that have been dismissed by others is also key.

I think he'll be a terrific appointment, and we'll overachieve under him.



*Watched a couple of YouTube videos and that.

[Brightside]

He's not actually won a league as you'd expect it. He won a playoff game in a lower level of football than the Scottish Premiership. He's managed around 60 odd games i think? He's never played in Scotland. All the best managers in our history have either played or managed in Scotland. The ones who haven't have failed spectacularly or been quickly emptied.

All our worst managers played or managed in this league also.

[CapitalGreen]

He's not actually won a league as you'd expect it. He won a playoff game in a lower level of football than the Scottish Premiership. He's managed around 60 odd games i think? He's never played in Scotland. All the best managers in our history have either played or manager in Scotland. The ones who haven't have failed spectacularly.

You’d think Scottish football fans would be able to get their head around a league format that doesn’t involved every team playing each other an equal number of times.

We’ve only had 3 managers who haven’t played or managed in Scotland - a very small sample size and none of which failed as spectacularly as some of the highly experienced Scottish managers we’ve had.

[Vault Boy]

Monty, Monty, Montyyyyyy

Monty, Monty, Montyyyyyy

[Heisenberg]

He's not actually won a league as you'd expect it. He won a playoff game in a lower level of football than the Scottish Premiership. He's managed around 60 odd games i think? He's never played in Scotland. All the best managers in our history have either played or managed in Scotland. The ones who haven't have failed spectacularly or been quickly emptied.

He won more than one playoff game. Seems to have had his team turn up when it really mattered and win the big games.

[SeanWilson]

I, for one, am all aboard the Montgomery Express.

Since his name came up I went digging for as much info on him as I could find* and everything about him screams success.

There's a couple of clips after CCM win the trophy where players (Cummings included) thank him for changing their lives.

Without any other information, that's enough to tell me that he'll get a team running through walls for him. That he's backed that up with success on the pitch, that he values hard work and a strong team ethic, and can bring out the best in people that have been dismissed by others is also key.

I think he'll be a terrific appointment, and we'll overachieve under him.



*Watched a couple of YouTube videos and that.

Prerequisite for me:
1) put out a team who want to play for the jersey
2) connection with the fans
3) don’t slaver absolute pish every time a camera is in your face.

If he can do this it’s a 👍 for me.

[Hibbyradge]

Colin is out of the equation unfortunately as the board thought he had been through too many clubs??

Plus, he can't win big games. :wink:

[Aldo]

Plus, he can't win big games. :wink:

Oft…..

[Since452]

You’d think Scottish football fans would be able to get their head around a league format that doesn’t involved every team playing each other an equal number of times.

We’ve only had 2 managers who haven’t played or managed in Scotland - a very small sample size and neither of which failed as spectacularly as some of the highly experienced Scottish managers we’ve had.

We've had Calderwood, Fenlon and Heckingbottom. One was a complete disaster, one gave us two of the worst results in our history and the other was chased out before he was barely in the door. Admittedly i don't think Hecky was all that bad.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

NM may be a bit of an unknown, however he has a solid football pedigree playing at a high level, inc U21 for Scotland so not completely unknown.

He has worked his way through management via the Academy at CCM and took the job as head coach where he has had considerable success based on expectations and budget.

All managers are a risk so he’s in the same basket as all other candidates.

[jeffers]

We've had Calderwood, Fenlon and Heckingbottom. One was a complete disaster, one gave us two of the worst results in our history and the other was chased out before he was barely in the door. Admittedly i don't think Hecky was all that bad.

So you think they failed ‘cos they had no experience of Scottish football rather than them just being pish managers ?

[CapitalGreen]

We've had Calderwood, Fenlon and Heckingbottom. One was a complete disaster, one gave us two of the worst results in our history and the other was chased out before he was barely in the door. Admittedly i don't think Hecky was all that bad.

And yet they still weren’t as bad as some of the highly experienced Scottish based managers we’ve appointed.

[SeanWilson]

So you think they failed ‘cos they had no experience of Scottish football rather than them just being pish managers ?

😂 a brilliant argument.

[Vault Boy]

We've had Calderwood, Fenlon and Heckingbottom. One was a complete disaster, one gave us two of the worst results in our history and the other was chased out before he was barely in the door. Admittedly i don't think Hecky was all that bad.

Thank goodness Shaun Maloney, Lee Johnson, and Terry Butcher had experience of Scottish football, else they’d have been awful

[Since452]

Thank goodness Shaun Maloney, Lee Johnson, and Terry Butcher had experience of Scottish football, else they’d have been awful

Lee Johnson isn't even close to being one of our worst managers

[timewilltell]

None of us had heard of NM until he was linked with us!!

Well, maybe 1 or 2 Hibs fans that live in Oz, but other than that his name came out of the blue.

When LJ was sacked I doubt anyone on here was thinking great, lets go for that lad from Oz that managed Cummings!

We've barely started interviewing anyone yet and it will prob be this time next week until an appointment is made. The club already said they would use the time from the international break to do their search so it's unlikely they'll be done by tomorrow.


How many on here knew Maghreb Fez FC or Raja Beni Mellal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raja_Beni_Mellal) in the Moroccan 2nd division? That's who we signed Abdessalam Benjelloun from.
Just because we haven't heard of someone it doesn't follow that they are no use.

[GreenGray]

This, it’s a pub league.

Have you ever watched a game?

Watch the grand final of last year. Their ability to put on a grand professional occasion puts the Scottish game to shame in all honesty


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[Vault Boy]

Lee Johnson isn't even close to being one of our worst managers

Ah, that refutes the entire post so

[SeanWilson]

Lee Johnson isn't even close to being one of our worst managers

I reckon he suffers from being tagged on to the back end of Maloney but a) he didn’t have a clue and stumbled across some decent wins and b) polarised the fans. Personally, I’d have him there with calderwood; he’s a tube and I’m delighted we got rid.

[JimBHibees]

Would probably be our smallest player since wee Johnny Grant (not John Grant) in the 60’s.

He’s no bad though.

Reminds me too much of Devlin at Hearts so a no from me :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I, for one, am all aboard the Montgomery Express.

Since his name came up I went digging for as much info on him as I could find* and everything about him screams success.

There's a couple of clips after CCM win the trophy where players (Cummings included) thank him for changing their lives.

Without any other information, that's enough to tell me that he'll get a team running through walls for him. That he's backed that up with success on the pitch, that he values hard work and a strong team ethic, and can bring out the best in people that have been dismissed by others is also key.

I think he'll be a terrific appointment, and we'll overachieve under him.



*Watched a couple of YouTube videos and that.

So am I. The all access one at the final is superb. Love his passion.

[Hibbyradge]

By successful I presume you measure that by trophies so in the relatively recent past (last 30+ years) you are looking at 3 managers - Collins and Stubbs, neither of which managed in Scotland before and Stubbs hadn't managed above U21 level and Alex Miller started his managerial career in China. John Collins had never managed anyone before us.

He did say "played or managed", tbf.

I don't think it's a prerequisite, however. If there really are any significant differences or nuances in the SPFL compared to the leagues the candidates are familiar with, we have plenty experienced coaches, and senior players, to give advice.

Having said that, I don't think these major differences exists. A good manager is a good manager anywhere.

[Hibbyradge]

You are going to be disappointed then.

Oh oh!

:shocked:

[Hibbyradge]

Is it a coincidence that our worst managers have all played and managed in this league too?

Zackly.

[#2 Double Tap]

Lennon is who I want. The other names mentioned so far would all be a disappointment, the polish guy who got ruled out first sounded much better than Montgomery

[SeanWilson]

He did say "played or managed", tbf.

I don't think it's a prerequisite, however. If there really are any significant differences or nuances in the SPFL compared to the leagues the candidates are familiar with, we have plenty experienced coaches, and senior players, to give advice.

Having said that, I don't think these major differences exists. A good manager is a good manager anywhere.

Don’t be silly, jurgen klopp would have no chance here - he’s only ever played/managed in Germany and England 🤦*♂️

[Since452]

I reckon he suffers from being tagged on to the back end of Maloney but a) he didn’t have a clue and stumbled across some decent wins and b) polarised the fans. Personally, I’d have him there with calderwood; he’s a tube and I’m delighted we got rid.

I think he had to go and i was calling for it after Livi but statistically he's nowhere near the worst. He's nowhere near Calderwood statistically either. Calderwood was a disrespectful clown. Johnson wasn't. New start though i just don't want us making a mistake.

[Hibbyradge]

Don’t be silly, jurgen klopp would have no chance here - he’s only ever played/managed in Germany and England 🤦*♂️

True.

I think that's why we didn't interview Pep too.

[Brightside]

Lee Johnson isn't even close to being one of our worst managers

Top 3 for me.

[HFC93]

This, it’s a pub league.

A pub league that we just signed a 35 year old striker from who is now scoring for fun in our pub league. Some horrendous takes on this thread....

[Brightside]

Lennon is who I want. The other names mentioned so far would all be a disappointment, the polish guy who got ruled out first sounded much better than Montgomery

If you want Lennon id maybe start looking at the Sri Lankan National Team for your football fix. Thats the level he is heading to.

[WeeRussell]

Top 3 for me.

I’m not sure you’re old enough to be using the internet in that case 😁

[Brightside]

I’m not sure you’re old enough to be using the internet in that case ��

I'm 10 years older than when LJ was appointed. :greengrin

Butcher
Calderwood
Johnson

[Jones28]

Top 3 for me.

Worse than Duffy, Butcher and Maloney?

[Hiber-nation]

Top 3 for me.

I'm assuming you're too young to remember Jim Duffy.

[Ronniekirk]

Lennon is who I want. The other names mentioned so far would all be a disappointment, the polish guy who got ruled out first sounded much better than Montgomery
He isn’t even on the Shortleet Agree the Polish guy s record looked impressive

[Ronniekirk]

I'm assuming you're too young to remember Jim Duffy.
Helicopter Jim lol Had us too We we’re beating The Rangers comfortably at home then they came back and beat us and itcwas all downhill from there to Relegation if memory serves me right

[Hibbyradge]

I’m not sure you’re old enough to be using the internet in that case 😁

I'm not.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Top 3 for me.

Fenlon
Butcher
Maloney
Calderwood
Duffy
Heckingbottom

All worse than LJ IMO. Of the names above, only Fenlon delivered Europe but equally delivered 2 of the worst results in our history, all with the benefit of a mercurial Leigh Griffiths.

[Forza Fred]

Why did Ange leave Oz if it was so good there?

They all try to leave Oz as soon as possible, nobody sticks around there.

Even NM's team that won the league. They sold 6 or 7 players as soon as the season was over and now NM himself wants to jump ship after 1 good season.

If the league was a decent standard why do they all want to leave it so quickly?!

Mate..

It’s ok not to want Monte as coach….. it really is, but you are starting to sound like a drunk man in a fight who is just flailing about hoping to hit someone, anyone rather than a specific target.

The players generally leave because they see European Leagues as being better and more financially rewarding than the A League…don’t think there is any secret in that.

European clubs are happy to sign Oz players who have demonstrated talent…and those that don’t,don’t get signed.

Dunno if you have noticed but there has been an influx of A League players to Scottish clubs in recent times.

In fact there were 4 ex A League players on the pitch in our game against Aberdeen, and the current SPFL player of the month played in the A League.

So, yes…the players see the SPFL as a step up……and a way of putting themselves in the shop window.

[Brightside]

Fenlon
Butcher
Maloney
Calderwood
Duffy
Heckingbottom

All worse than LJ IMO. Of the names above, only Fenlon delivered Europe but equally delivered 2 of the worst results in our history, all with the benefit of a mercurial Leigh Griffiths.

Heck? Never in a million years. Another we got rid of too soon. Maloney would have been fine with more time also.

[eastmainsmsh]

I'm assuming you're too young to remember Jim Duffy.

He was a decent player Jim and manager but whatever didn't work out at time

[Victor]

Helicopter Jim lol Had us too We we’re beating The Rangers comfortably at home then they came back and beat us and itcwas all downhill from there to Relegation if memory serves me right

The 4-4 draw with Dundee(?) was my favourite. I think we were 3-0 up at one point.


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[BoomtownHibees]

The 4-4 draw with Dundee(?) was my favourite. I think we were 3-0 up at one point.


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Was that no under Mowbray? With Duff Jim as Dundee manager

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson isn't even close to being one of our worst managers

100% correct ! Butcher ,Duffy , Maloney , Calderwood , there's been fair worse managers at Hibs than LJ . Nowhere near top 3 . How Sauzees record compared to LJ ?

[GreenPJ]

The 4-4 draw with Dundee(?) was my favourite. I think we were 3-0 up at one point.


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The 4-4 draw was under Mowbray I thought?

This whole chain shows that the board will never make the correct decision in everyone's eyes. If we signed Pep there would be arguments to say we are spending too much money on a manager who will jump at the next opportunity. I just hope that as and when someone is announced (whoever that may be) that the fan base get behind him/her and the squad 100% and let them prove their worth (or otherwise) through results and style of play.

[jeffers]

100% correct ! Butcher ,Duffy , Maloney , Calderwood , there's been fair worse managers at Hibs than LJ . Nowhere near top 3 . How Sauzees record compared to LJ ?

Absolutely one of the worst. I thought you’d finally realised that DH ? 😜

[SeanWilson]

100% correct ! Butcher ,Duffy , Maloney , Calderwood , there's been fair worse managers at Hibs than LJ . Nowhere near top 3 . How Sauzees record compared to LJ ?

Statistically, there is no argument. However, I factor other things in to the equation; such as him being a total dick.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm assuming you're too young to remember Jim Duffy.

I know it's tantamount to sacrilege, but Le God was terrible too. :boo hoo:

[Dmas]

Personally I would have went for Lennon myself mate but all those you've mentioned bar Neilson should all be candidates for our job. Is it just a coincidence that our most successful managers have all played and managed in this league? I don't think it is.

How many have we actually appointed with no Scottish football experience? I can only think of fenlon hecky and calderwood off top of my head and there’s a good amount of failures with the experience I could rattle off, it’s just a snobbery isn’t it nobody is trying it in the league outside OF and to write it off cause aberdeen tried it once and we’ve tried a couple managers who mange in England with no experience of Scottish game and an Irish man is a bit mental.

I totally agree managers in this country who are doing well should be considered but just cause they have Scottish football experience shouldn’t be the only criteria for the Managers job, mcinnes has failed at a club where we want to be competitive with and at a time where us hearts and rangers had spells out the league, totally agree with Robinson think he looks a good manager said it over other threads he should be in the thinking for sure.

I think it’s important we get someone who has managed before and I think it’s important that we get someone who is either still in employment or has had recent successes if out of work, too many of our previous failed appointments have been given the job after being punted failing elsewhere imo it would be good to get someone on the rise with a bit of wind in there sails

[Unseen work]

Can’t quite believe the amount of people down playing the A League when so many hate the English doing the same.

I’m sure Australian fans would watch some SPFL games and think it’s rubbish too.

[J-C]

There's a few posts on here that I feel aren't posted by Hibs fans, I'll let you all decide which ones.

[WeeRussell]

I know it's tantamount to sacrilege, but Le God was terrible too. :boo hoo:

I didn’t want to mention the S word either..

[WeeRussell]

I'm not.

That’s just what Jesus said, sir.

[J-C]

I didn’t want to mention the S word either..

Tbf he didn't want the job but felt obliged to due to his love for the club at the time.

[Donegal Hibby]

Statistically, there is no argument. However, I factor other things in to the equation; such as him being a total dick.
As to him being a total dick is debatable . Statistically your right there is no argument and anyone having LJ in top 3 worst Hibs manager's can't really be that old tbh as there's at least 15 with a worst win percentage than LJ. I mentioned Sauzee who was a legend though 1 from about 15 games as a manager seems to be getting overlooked as well .

[WeeRussell]

Tbf he didn't want the job but felt obliged to due to his love for the club at the time.

Maybe. But LJ was still a better manager for the club… as dirty as it feels to state.

[JeMeSouviens]

I know it's tantamount to sacrilege, but Le God was terrible too. :boo hoo:

He didn't exactly make a promising start results wise but he inherited a shambles from McLeish. There was a longish spell just before he took over when he was out injured and we barely won a game, so taking himself out of the team to become manager left him up against it from the off. We'll never know if he'd have managed to rebuild over that summer.

[SeanWilson]

As to him being a total dick is debatable . Statistically your right there is no argument and anyone having LJ in top 3 worst Hibs manager's can't really be that old tbh as there's at least 15 with a worst win percentage than LJ. I mentioned Sauzee who was a legend though 1 from about 15 games as a manager seems to be getting overlooked as well .

It’s all debatable. That’s why we’re on a fans forum. Chatting about it. You’re allowed your opinion and I’m allowed mine! Wonderful eh?

[WeeRussell]

It’s all debatable. That’s why we’re on a fans forum. Chatting about it. You’re allowed your opinion and I’m allowed mine! Wonderful eh?

Isn’t that what DH is doing?

[JeMeSouviens]

Statistically, there is no argument. However, I factor other things in to the equation; such as him being a total dick.

:agree:

There's other factors in comparison like squads they inherited, backing they were given etc but the TD factor weighs heavily for me too.

[SeanWilson]

Isn’t that what DH is doing?

Absolutely! That’s my point. I totally get he’s not the worst hibs manager based on results…. But he polarised the fans and I couldn’t stand him so I have him up there with calderwood. I didn’t say anything about my ‘top 3’ btw.

[Donegal Hibby]

Absolutely one of the worst. I thought you’d finally realised that DH ? 😜

Nowhere near mate . We had a lot worse than LJ He's gone now though so it doesn't really matter anymore as we should be looking forward to an exciting new era in our clubs future rather than dwelling on the past or should we start slating all ex managers who were worse than LJ like Frank Sauzee too ? :rolleyes:

[jeffers]

Nowhere near mate . We had a lot worse than LJ He's gone now though so it doesn't really matter anymore as we should be looking forward to an exciting new era in our clubs future rather than dwelling on the past or should we start slating all ex managers who were worse than LJ like Frank Sauzee too ? :rolleyes:

Definitely can’t slate Franck !

Looking forward to seeing what Monty can do. Definitely excited at the prospect.

[Lago]

No.

They won the championship of Australia.

Scroll some pages back for an explanation of how it works in Oz….I Cannae be bothered going over it again
Some folk just don't want to know, you could explain it a 100 times wouldn't make any difference.

[Since90+2]

The Australian players in the league have generally not been overly successful I'd suggest but that doesn't mean NM can't be successful as coach. Two different things.

[jeffers]

Unless people were getting information suggesting otherwise, there was no reason to think badly of him.

Even discounting that I saw nothing to suggest he was a nice guy.

Anyway, he’s gone. I’m delighted. And the prospect of our new manager really has me feeling positive about Hibs again.

[Hibbyradge]

Heck? Never in a million years. Another we got rid of too soon. Maloney would have been fine with more time also.

Would have, could have, should have.

There is no way ok knowing what would have happened if they'd stayed longer. They were both awful when they were here. That's the only thing we can judge them on.

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s all debatable. That’s why we’re on a fans forum. Chatting about it. You’re allowed your opinion and I’m allowed mine! Wonderful eh?

Debating , chatting , sharing opinions , try to help one another at times , YES ITIS WONDERFUL ! Though the nasty name calling , rumours and general viciousness at times I'd certainly not call wonderful , think the word is NAUSEOUS and at times has been like the bears den ! That's my opinion!!!!!!

[erin go bragh]

I know it's tantamount to sacrilege, but Le God was terrible too. :boo hoo:
He did keep his record of not losing to that lot though.
Still think if the board had given him to the St Johnstone game, he could have turned it around but his biggest problem was replacing himself, should definitely have been the player manager.

[SeanWilson]

Debating , chatting , sharing opinions , try to help one another at times , YES ITIS WONDERFUL ! Though the nasty name calling , rumours and general viciousness at times I'd certainly not call wonderful , think the word is NAUSEOUS and at times has been like the bears den ! That's my opinion!!!!!!

Well, I’m not in the business of nastiness, viciousness nor spreading rumours bud. I just said I thought the guy was a TD and that’s why I didn’t rate him, while agreeing statistics would prove me wrong…

[Victor]

[QUOTE=GreenPJ;7463026]The 4-4 draw was under Mowbray I thought?

Could have been, at my age it all becomes a blur! It as a Duffyesque performance though!!


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[HNA11]

We're not going to be platforming unsubstantiated rumours about a former employee of the clubs personal conduct. Whether individuals believe it to be true or otherwise is irrelevant, it's gossip and becomes fact because the individual in question has no right of reply on here.

And before anyone starts it's completely different from a transfer rumour or whatever.

If you want to continue such conversations then take them elsewhere.

[Hibby70]

Theres only been one manager where I've almost come to the point of stopping going to games at all. That was Calderwood. Might not have been the worst manager but God it was boring.

[Waxy]

The A league is mental. Someone hit a goalie with a bucket last season during a pitch invasion

[WhileTheChief..]

Let's chat in January after you've seen what the new manager can do

Til then, it comes across that you've pre-judged here & no amount of clues will change your view.

Not at all. I’m open to his appointment if Lennon isn’t being considered.

Loads of reservations about it though which I think is understandable.

I was hoping for someone with a much higher profile and just don’t see the clamour for NM. That doesn’t mean I’m against the appointment but I think we’re taking an unnecessary risk with him.

Obviously we all want him to be a rip roaring success, that should go without saying on here.

[Forza Fred]

The A league is mental. Someone hit a goalie with a bucket last season during a pitch invasion

The guy was sentenced the other week to 3 months jail……..he’s appealing the sentence.

Better news from the goalie though……he got signed by Middlesbrough (incidentally think he actually had a season on loan from Spurs at the Mariners a few years back.)

[The Green Sea]

Theres only been one manager where I've almost come to the point of stopping going to games at all. That was Calderwood. Might not have been the worst manager but God it was boring.

Things are so bad Bobby Williamson is going to be one of our best managers.

[Since452]

100% correct ! Butcher ,Duffy , Maloney , Calderwood , there's been fair worse managers at Hibs than LJ . Nowhere near top 3 . How Sauzees record compared to LJ ?

There's probably about a dozen Hibs managers statistically worse than LJ. Factor in the shambles he inherited and he's absolutely nowhere near the worst. His time was up, i don't think anyone really thinks it wasn't but to bracket him alongside Calderwood, Butcher etc is just plain unfair imo and just putting the boot in.

[WhileTheChief..]

Mate..

It’s ok not to want Monte as coach….. it really is, but you are starting to sound like a drunk man in a fight who is just flailing about hoping to hit someone, anyone rather than a specific target.

The players generally leave because they see European Leagues as being better and more financially rewarding than the A League…don’t think there is any secret in that.

European clubs are happy to sign Oz players who have demonstrated talent…and those that don’t,don’t get signed.

Dunno if you have noticed but there has been an influx of A League players to Scottish clubs in recent times.

In fact there were 4 ex A League players on the pitch in our game against Aberdeen, and the current SPFL player of the month played in the A League.

So, yes…the players see the SPFL as a step up……and a way of putting themselves in the shop window.



I’m asking some fairly straight forward basic questions here. Not sure where your drunk chat comes from.

I get that you’re on Oz and will know more about NM than most of us. Fine. That doesn;t equate to him being the best or only man out there for the Hibs job which is a monumentally huge step up from CCM.

CCM are about as low as you can get in Oz going by the article posted on here that showed them bottom of the league for 3 out of 5 years or so until NM came in.

No matter what anyone tells me, that’s a low standard.

I hope our board are asking him a hell of a lot tougher questions than I’m asking here. This love in for him is bizarre.

[JohnM1875]

I’m asking some fairly straight forward basic questions here. Not sure where your drunk chat comes from.

I get that you’re on Oz and will know more about NM than most of us. Fine. That doesn;t equate to him being the best or only man out there for the Hibs job which is a monumentally huge step up from CCM.

CCM are about as low as you can get in Oz going by the article posted on here that showed them bottom of the league for 3 out of 5 years or so until NM came in.

No matter what anyone tells me, that’s a low standard.

I hope our board are asking him a hell of a lot tougher questions than I’m asking here. This love in for him is bizarre.

So surely what Montgomery achieved is really impressive nah?

Also don't think anyone, including the club, have have suggested he's the only man out there. He'll not be the only person we reached out to or interviewed.

If he gets the job it'll be because he came through the interview process with the highest scorecard.

[hibeerealist]

He did keep his record of not losing to that lot though.
Still think if the board had given him to the St Johnstone game, he could have turned it around but his biggest problem was replacing himself, should definitely have been the player manager.


Spot on EGB

[WhileTheChief..]

So surely what Montgomery achieved is really impressive nah?

Also don't think anyone, including the club, have have suggested he's the only man out there. He'll not be the only person we reached out to or interviewed.

If he gets the job it'll be because he came through the interview process with the highest scorecard.

What NM did at CCM is impressive, no doubt about that. He also comes across well in the few interviews I’m seen or read. I’ve nothing against him at all.

Dick Campbell had a great season at lowly Arbroath recently which was hugely impressive, yet we wouldn’t go anywhere near him. Rightly so.

It seems to me that because NM is favourite for the job, everyone just wants to talk about how great a guy he is and how he’s exactly what we need.

I’d rather discuss the pros and cons of him, and keep an open mind to the possibility that it could easily be someone else.

If, after the interview process, the club think he’s best suited, then all good. Hopefully we’ve learns from our previous 2 mistakes.

How is everyone on here going to feel if it’s not him though? The way some are talking, it’s a done deal and nobody else comes close.

[ScottB]

Here’s the thing with modern recruitment in many industries, it’s not a case of just offering up a vacancy and seeing who applies, or even doing multiple rounds of interviews.

My current role for example, when they decided they needed someone like me, I was approached, directly, because they’d previously identified me as someone they wanted to work with, who had the right experience etc. Nobody else was interviewed, I assume they probably had a ‘shortlist’ or similar of other potential targets if I’d said no that they didn’t then bother speaking to. I’ve experienced similar situations to that a few times now.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Hibs had a list of targets ready (as they should) that they liked the look of. Maybe they spoke to a few of them, maybe they only spoke to Nick, that chat confirmed their belief he was the right guy and now we’re just waiting on it being made official.

[WeeRussell]

What NM did at CCM is impressive, no doubt about that. He also comes across well in the few interviews I’m seen or read. I’ve nothing against him at all.

Dick Campbell had a great season at lowly Arbroath recently which was hugely impressive, yet we wouldn’t go anywhere near him. Rightly so.

It seems to me that because NM is favourite for the job, everyone just wants to talk about how great a guy he is and how he’s exactly what we need.

I’d rather discuss the pros and cons of him, and keep an open mind to the possibility that it could easily be someone else.

If, after the interview process, the club think he’s best suited, then all good. Hopefully we’ve learns from our previous 2 mistakes.

How is everyone on here going to feel if it’s not him though? The way some are talking, it’s a done deal and nobody else comes close.

I’ll feel okay about it. I’m not set on Monty to the exclusion of all others but I’m pretty convinced it’s going to be him now, and I look forward to his appointment. If not I trust that we’ll get a suitable manager for the job.

Lennon is the only one seriously mentioned on here that I definitely don’t want and I’m supremely confident he’s nowhere near it.

[Forza Fred]

I’m asking some fairly straight forward basic questions here. Not sure where your drunk chat comes from.

I get that you’re on Oz and will know more about NM than most of us. Fine. That doesn;t equate to him being the best or only man out there for the Hibs job which is a monumentally huge step up from CCM.

CCM are about as low as you can get in Oz going by the article posted on here that showed them bottom of the league for 3 out of 5 years or so until NM came in.

No matter what anyone tells me, that’s a low standard.

I hope our board are asking him a hell of a lot tougher questions than I’m asking here. This love in for him is bizarre.

So a team WERE a basket case, a new manager comes and in turns them into Champions.

That’s obviously a negative.

But as you say mate,’no matter what anyone tells you….’ So I’ll bow out.

[Hibbyradge]

He did keep his record of not losing to that lot though.
Still think if the board had given him to the St Johnstone game, he could have turned it around but his biggest problem was replacing himself, should definitely have been the player manager.

Wasn't it his decision not to play anymore? He'd broken his foot the previous season and I'm not sure he'd fully recovered. :dunno:

I adored him as a player, I was desperate for him to become manager, and I was very, very disappointed when he was sacked.

There were stories at the time about him not being at training etc but I think I blocked them out.

[WhileTheChief..]

If not I trust that we’ll get a suitable manager for the job.

I merely hope!

[WhileTheChief..]

So a team WERE a basket case, a new manager comes and in turns them into Champions.

That’s obviously a negative.

But as you say mate,’no matter what anyone tells you….’ So I’ll bow out.

Where did I say that was a negative? I just said that NM did at CCM was impressive :rolleyes:

[Forza Fred]

Where did I say that was a negative? I just said that NM did at CCM was hugely impressive :rolleyes:
Enjoy your day, mate

[.Sean.]

Theres only been one manager where I've almost come to the point of stopping going to games at all. That was Calderwood. Might not have been the worst manager but God it was boring.
Yep. I can genuinely remember falling asleep during a game under him. Horrible, bleak time to watch a Hibs

[worcesterhibby]

Well, I’m not in the business of nastiness, viciousness nor spreading rumours bud. I just said I thought the guy was a TD and that’s why I didn’t rate him, while agreeing statistics would prove me wrong…

With all due respect, calling someone a "total Dick" is nastiness, so you ARE in that business. Particularly when the guy in question obviously worked very hard for our club, tried their very best and then left the club with dignity and thanking both the club and the support for the opportunity. He had us beating Hearts, Celtic, Aberdeen 6-0 and took us into Europe and gave us three great European nights. In the end he had to go, which is a shame. I get that you didn't like the way he spoke and you prefer someone who trots out the usual managerial guff.

Now Calderwood - he was a "Total Dick"

[Lago]

Definitely can’t slate Franck !

Looking forward to seeing what Monty can do. Definitely excited at the prospect.
You've come out strongly in favour of Monty just as you were equally against LJ, I confess I had you placed in the Lennon camp and would be interested in why you support the appointment of Montgomery, which I hope will be the case as well.

[Skol]

Not at all. I’m open to his appointment if Lennon isn’t being considered.

Loads of reservations about it though which I think is understandable.

I was hoping for someone with a much higher profile and just don’t see the clamour for NM. That doesn’t mean I’m against the appointment but I think we’re taking an unnecessary risk with him.

Obviously we all want him to be a rip roaring success, that should go without saying on here.

I am pretty sure you said a week or so back that you had pre judged Johnson and wanted him out before he had even taken charge of a game, maybe even a training session. It feels like you are doing the same with Montgomery.

[Since452]

Football fans are a fickle bunch that's for sure

[WeeRussell]

I merely hope!

That’s fair actually. I probably am more ‘hope’ as well… with a shade of trust/optimism.

[Ralphy C]

The guy was sentenced the other week to 3 months jail……..he’s appealing the sentence.

Better news from the goalie though……he got signed by Middlesbrough (incidentally think he actually had a season on loan from Spurs at the Mariners a few years back.)
seems fair enough, hit someone with a bucket you get the tin pail.:greengrin

[WeeRussell]

seems fair enough, hit someone with a bucket you get the tin pail.:greengrin

😁 more of this please

[Dmas]

Here’s the thing with modern recruitment in many industries, it’s not a case of just offering up a vacancy and seeing who applies, or even doing multiple rounds of interviews.

My current role for example, when they decided they needed someone like me, I was approached, directly, because they’d previously identified me as someone they wanted to work with, who had the right experience etc. Nobody else was interviewed, I assume they probably had a ‘shortlist’ or similar of other potential targets if I’d said no that they didn’t then bother speaking to. I’ve experienced similar situations to that a few times now.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Hibs had a list of targets ready (as they should) that they liked the look of. Maybe they spoke to a few of them, maybe they only spoke to Nick, that chat confirmed their belief he was the right guy and now we’re just waiting on it being made official.

I think you’re right, managers still working for a club if you want them there rules around it if you make a move and it’s rejected there’s more chance of the press finding out and the next guy knows he’s not first pick I think they would have had a shortlist maybe sounded out a few agents along the way but have only approached and offered the job to one guy, I can’t see them sitting around interviewing 5 guys the board will have a list tbey maybe asses any applicants outside that draw up a shortlist and make a play for no.1

[Keepthefaith]

I am pretty sure you said a week or so back that you had pre judged Johnson and wanted him out before he had even taken charge of a game, maybe even a training session. It feels like you are doing the same with Montgomery.

Agreed. For me this article from Lewis miller is really helpful to understand why we're feeling positive. Folk saying he's a risk and no-one knows what he's like, yet here we have evidence of character, ethos etc and affirmation re his ability to promote youth. Interesting that Lewis makes direct reference to the quality of youth players we have here too

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/nick-montgomery-wont-messed-hibs-27669156

[Donegal Hibby]

There's probably about a dozen Hibs managers statistically worse than LJ. Factor in the shambles he inherited and he's absolutely nowhere near the worst. His time was up, i don't think anyone really thinks it wasn't but to bracket him alongside Calderwood, Butcher etc is just plain unfair imo and just putting the boot in.

Roughly looking back I think there's about 17 past managers we have had with worse statistics than LJ . His time was up no doubt about it and while some took great delight in it I found it disappointing that it didn't work out and 3 people who made personally sacrifices and put so much work into our club lost there jobs . Nowhere near the worst we have had far from it ! As you say it's unfair and just putting the boot in again though there's been a lot worse said and some of it totally lacking in any class unfortunately 😔

[KeithTheHibby]

Butcher is the worst manager in my lifetime. Perhaps not statistically but given the platform he had when he arrived and the way he destroyed those players was unforgivable.

Sauzee was out of his depth and inherited a squad on the way down whereas Jim Duffy just wasn't very good.

[J-C]

Roughly looking back I think there's about 17 past managers we have had with worse statistics than LJ . His time was up no doubt about it and while some took great delight in it I found it disappointing that it didn't work out and 3 people who made personally sacrifices and put so much work into our club lost there jobs . Nowhere near the worst we have had far from it ! As you say it's unfair and just putting the boot in again though there's been a lot worse said and some of it totally lacking in any class unfortunately 😔

Let it go ffs, Johnson has gone and time to move on, we know you had a love in with him but we have a new man coming in, time to look forward.

[Unseen work]

I’m really intrigued to see how Montgomery and Raimundo deal with a couple of things;

Tavares - Treated really poorly from the club imo, I get some don’t rate him which is fine there’s more to it than that which the club haven’t covered themselves in glory with. But Raimundo would have worked with him at Benfica and have good knowledge of him, can he get the best out of him especially since we’re so light on wingers?

High earners - Montgomery said when he first joined CCM he saw the wages of some players and thought they weren’t deserving of it/the youngsters were better value. Be really interesting how he addresses that.

McKirdy - The forgotten man. Reminds me of Cummings in that he’s daft but everyone loves him, except some managers. Can he get the best out of him and make him like a new signing with his man management?

[CL0762]

The guy was sentenced the other week to 3 months jail……..he’s appealing the sentence.

Better news from the goalie though……he got signed by Middlesbrough (incidentally think he actually had a season on loan from Spurs at the Mariners a few years back.)

Wasn’t he on trial at us a couple of years ago?

[NAE NOOKIE]

Unless you actually know something it's pretty hard to contribute anything new to this thread any more, pretty well everything has been covered from what makes a good appointment to how good, bad, ***** our previous managers were.

Given the overall history it seems the safest thing to say is that ( insert name of new manager ) will be a failure, because 4 times out of 5 that's what usually happens, that way you can come back in a year and say 'told ya so' :greengrin

[Forza Fred]

seems fair enough, hit someone with a bucket you get the tin pail.:greengrin

Aye, but when the judge sentenced him you could see him turn a whiter shade …………

[JimBHibees]

Aye, but when the judge sentenced him you could see him turn a whiter shade …………

Oh dear :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

Wasn’t he on trial at us a couple of years ago?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46774807

[Forza Fred]

Unless you actually know something it's pretty hard to contribute anything new to this thread any more, pretty well everything has been covered from what makes a good appointment to how good, bad, ***** our previous managers were.

Given the overall history it seems the safest thing to say is that ( insert name of new manager ) will be a failure, because 4 times out of 5 that's what usually happens, that way you can come back in a year and say 'told ya so' :greengrin

Hopefully we’ll get an announcement on Friday

[Donegal Hibby]

Let it go ffs, Johnson has gone and time to move on, we know you had a love in with him but we have a new man coming in, time to look forward.

I wasn't the one that brought it up FIRST . GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT before having a go at me FFS ! ! ! !

[GreenPJ]

What NM did at CCM is impressive, no doubt about that. He also comes across well in the few interviews I’m seen or read. I’ve nothing against him at all.

Dick Campbell had a great season at lowly Arbroath recently which was hugely impressive, yet we wouldn’t go anywhere near him. Rightly so.

It seems to me that because NM is favourite for the job, everyone just wants to talk about how great a guy he is and how he’s exactly what we need.

I’d rather discuss the pros and cons of him, and keep an open mind to the possibility that it could easily be someone else.

If, after the interview process, the club think he’s best suited, then all good. Hopefully we’ve learns from our previous 2 mistakes.

How is everyone on here going to feel if it’s not him though? The way some are talking, it’s a done deal and nobody else comes close.

NM is favourite for the job so people, understandably, looking for info as to why he will be good for us - as has been said, he isn't particularly well known in this very small pocket of the world so when they go digging pretty much all of what you find seems positive. I think when you see current players come out and talk about positively about a candidate who is being positioned as favourite its not unreasonable to expect that the person is in with a very good chance of being the next manager.

None of us on here can control or influence who will get the job so you leave it to the people who are tasked with that job and whoever it is we get behind them.

[Hibbyradge]

Let it go ffs, Johnson has gone and time to move on, we know you had a love in with him but we have a new man coming in, time to look forward.

I agree.

Please make sure to pass those sentiments to those who continue to denigrate him.

[CowgateHarp1875]

How many have we actually appointed with no Scottish football experience? I can only think of fenlon hecky and calderwood off top of my head and there’s a good amount of failures with the experience I could rattle off, it’s just a snobbery isn’t it nobody is trying it in the league outside OF and to write it off cause aberdeen tried it once and we’ve tried a couple managers who mange in England with no experience of Scottish game and an Irish man is a bit mental.

I totally agree managers in this country who are doing well should be considered but just cause they have Scottish football experience shouldn’t be the only criteria for the Managers job, mcinnes has failed at a club where we want to be competitive with and at a time where us hearts and rangers had spells out the league, totally agree with Robinson think he looks a good manager said it over other threads he should be in the thinking for sure.

I think it’s important we get someone who has managed before and I think it’s important that we get someone who is either still in employment or has had recent successes if out of work, too many of our previous failed appointments have been given the job after being punted failing elsewhere imo it would be good to get someone on the rise with a bit of wind in there sails

I don't believe it is snobbery the game is played differently in every country and we are no exception. It's why so many cross the border and fail spectacularly. Yeah there's not been many but they have all failed. That's not to say Montgomery will fail either but he is a huge risk. The reason I back the return of lennon (though those other choices, Robinson included are good candidates also) is the job he done at omonia. His Europa league campaign with a team that size was unreal. We want the best man for the job don't we? Well out of all the candidates on paper he is by far the best man for the job. Reports in the media suggest Montgomery has all but got the job though so we will back him to the hilt.

Although I backed lennon I do agree with your last paragraph though I do believe his sacking was really unfair. It definitely would be good to have a manager on the up we can only hope this guy does the business.

[jeffers]

You've come out strongly in favour of Monty just as you were equally against LJ, I confess I had you placed in the Lennon camp and would be interested in why you support the appointment of Montgomery, which I hope will be the case as well.

No, definitely didn’t want Lennon back, though part of his time with us was as good a period I’ve had watching us.

Johnson had sucked a lot of my enjoyment out of going to games, I missed more under him than I’ve ever done since I bought my first ever season ticket. The football was all over the place and yes I couldn’t stand him as an individual.

I like what I’ve heard from BM, I think the players we’ve brought in since he was appointed look decent so I’m hopeful as a genuine “football man” he’ll be able to identify a good manager. With Montgomery he’s clearly done well in Oz, his career is on the up, players loved him and more importantly appear to have played for him. The little I’ve seen of him he is a straight talker and while he’s not foreign I love that he’s coached elsewhere and can hopefully recommend some players from Australia. It would have been easy for the board to go down the tried and trusted route, someone like McInnes (who has been my preferred choice since Ross was sacked) but they’ve went for someone a bit different and I’m fully behind them for doing that.

[overdrive]

I’m really intrigued to see how Montgomery and Raimundo deal with a couple of things;

Tavares - Treated really poorly from the club imo, I get some don’t rate him which is fine there’s more to it than that which the club haven’t covered themselves in glory with. But Raimundo would have worked with him at Benfica and have good knowledge of him, can he get the best out of him especially since we’re so light on wingers?

High earners - Montgomery said when he first joined CCM he saw the wages of some players and thought they weren’t deserving of it/the youngsters were better value. Be really interesting how he addresses that.

McKirdy - The forgotten man. Reminds me of Cummings in that he’s daft but everyone loves him, except some managers. Can he get the best out of him and make him like a new signing with his man management?

I think that's easier when you've been promoted from being the youth coach like it seems he was. He will have worked closely with the youth players and will have trusted them. It might be a bit different where you are going into a new club. He won't have worked with any of the players other than Lewis Miller. He might go into self-preservation mode like a lot of managers do and think "hey, chances are I'm only here for a short time, I'll trust the senior players and signings I make rather than risk bringing through unproven youth players that I don't know"

[Paulie Walnuts]

Let it go ffs, Johnson has gone and time to move on, we know you had a love in with him but we have a new man coming in, time to look forward.

:agree:

The constant having a go at fans for not wanting to keep a duff manager is tedious and cringey in equal measure.

[Lago]

No, definitely didn’t want Lennon back, though part of his time with us was as good a period I’ve had watching us.

Johnson had sucked a lot of my enjoyment out of going to games, I missed more under him than I’ve ever done since I bought my first ever season ticket. The football was all over the place and yes I couldn’t stand him as an individual.

I like what I’ve heard from BM, I think the players we’ve brought in since he was appointed look decent so I’m hopeful as a genuine “football man” he’ll be able to identify a good manager. With Montgomery he’s clearly done well in Oz, his career is on the up, players loved him and more importantly appear to have played for him. The little I’ve seen of him he is a straight talker and while he’s not foreign I love that he’s coached elsewhere and can hopefully recommend some players from Australia. It would have been easy for the board to go down the tried and trusted route, someone like McInnes (who has been my preferred choice since Ross was sacked) but they’ve went for someone a bit different and I’m fully behind them for doing that.
Thanks for that, for me I still remember the absolute surprise when Mowbray was appointed, I have my fingers crossed that this could be a similar moment.

[WhileTheChief..]

I am pretty sure you said a week or so back that you had pre judged Johnson and wanted him out before he had even taken charge of a game, maybe even a training session. It feels like you are doing the same with Montgomery.

Maybe feels like it, but I'm not :aok:

[WhileTheChief..]

NM is favourite for the job so people, understandably, looking for info as to why he will be good for us - as has been said, he isn't particularly well known in this very small pocket of the world so when they go digging pretty much all of what you find seems positive. I think when you see current players come out and talk about positively about a candidate who is being positioned as favourite its not unreasonable to expect that the person is in with a very good chance of being the next manager.

None of us on here can control or influence who will get the job so you leave it to the people who are tasked with that job and whoever it is we get behind them.

All fair comments.

I've also liked what I've seen and heard from / about him.

But I think it's a huge step up from manager of CCM to manager of Hibs. That's all really!

[bordergreen]

Enjoy your day, mate

Ha, Ha, enjoy your night mate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN9kaloihyg

[worcesterhibby]

right on the subject of succesful Managers who have no experience of Scottish Football. Ian Barraclough..came into Motherwell in 2014/15 season with no Scottish experience and beat Rangers 6-1 in the relegation/promotion play-off (the one rangers goal being scored by Dazzler).. any bloke stuffing rangers and keeping them in the lower divisions is a success in my book :greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

Seen this a wee while ago .
https://insidefutbol.com/2023/09/07/hibernian-now-very-close-to-manager-appointment/619887/

[Forza Fred]

Wasn’t he on trial at us a couple of years ago?

Yep.

We chose not to sign him.

[worcesterhibby]

Seen this a wee while ago .
https://insidefutbol.com/2023/09/07/hibernian-now-very-close-to-manager-appointment/619887/

appreciate you posting, but to be honest it doesn't sound likes he actually knows anymore than we do,

[Donegal Hibby]

:agree:

The constant having a go at fans for not wanting to keep a duff manager is tedious and cringey in equal measure.

Fantasy stuff 😀

[Since452]

It feels a little flat to me this time. Last time it was between Johnson and JDT and there had been talk of Roy Keane as well. There was a bit of buzz about it. Don't know if it's a case of "here we go again" but i'm pretty scunnered with the whole new manager hunt this time. The whole Johnson out episode was just draining. If it's to be Montgomery then good luck to him. My preferred candidate would be Robinson but not exactly thrilled at that prospect either. Hopefully whoever it is can bring a bit of excitement back to the support. Just want it done and dusted and the football to start again.

[Hibbyradge]

It feels a little flat to me this time. Last time it was between Johnson and JDT and there had been talk of Roy Keane as well. There was a bit of buzz about it. Don't know if it's a case of "here we go again" but i'm pretty scunnered with the whole new manager hunt this time. The whole Johnson out episode was just draining. If it's to be Montgomery then good luck to him. My preferred candidate would be Robinson but not exactly thrilled at that prospect either. Hopefully whoever it is can bring a bit of excitement back to the support. Just want it done and dusted and the football to start again.

Worst manager hunt ever.

I'm not going back.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Fantasy stuff 😀

Aye, ok. :aok:

[Hibernian Verse]

It feels a little flat to me this time. Last time it was between Johnson and JDT and there had been talk of Roy Keane as well. There was a bit of buzz about it. Don't know if it's a case of "here we go again" but i'm pretty scunnered with the whole new manager hunt this time. The whole Johnson out episode was just draining. If it's to be Montgomery then good luck to him. My preferred candidate would be Robinson but not exactly thrilled at that prospect either. Hopefully whoever it is can bring a bit of excitement back to the support. Just want it done and dusted and the football to start again.

When you put it like that, I think I'm going to have to return my season ticket.

[Donegal Hibby]

Aye, ok. :aok:

I know it is :aok:

[BoomtownHibees]

It feels a little flat to me this time. Last time it was between Johnson and JDT and there had been talk of Roy Keane as well. There was a bit of buzz about it. Don't know if it's a case of "here we go again" but i'm pretty scunnered with the whole new manager hunt this time. The whole Johnson out episode was just draining. If it's to be Montgomery then good luck to him. My preferred candidate would be Robinson but not exactly thrilled at that prospect either. Hopefully whoever it is can bring a bit of excitement back to the support. Just want it done and dusted and the football to start again.

Is that no just you?

[SeanWilson]

With all due respect, calling someone a "total Dick" is nastiness, so you ARE in that business. Particularly when the guy in question obviously worked very hard for our club, tried their very best and then left the club with dignity and thanking both the club and the support for the opportunity. He had us beating Hearts, Celtic, Aberdeen 6-0 and took us into Europe and gave us three great European nights. In the end he had to go, which is a shame. I get that you didn't like the way he spoke and you prefer someone who trots out the usual managerial guff.

Now Calderwood - he was a "Total Dick"

I didn’t mean any malice by it, I just personally thought he came off as a tube. I also thought his media nonsense as managerial guff.

When we beat hearts at ER, he tried to get a clap on the pitch to no avail. He then came up to the bar afterwards, where I’ve never seen such an awkward reception to someone we should all be supporting.

I’ll retract TD on reflection, as you’re right - that is nasty. Can I say tube? 😂

[Daily Hibs]

I, for one, am all aboard the Montgomery Express.

Since his name came up I went digging for as much info on him as I could find* and everything about him screams success.

There's a couple of clips after CCM win the trophy where players (Cummings included) thank him for changing their lives.

Without any other information, that's enough to tell me that he'll get a team running through walls for him. That he's backed that up with success on the pitch, that he values hard work and a strong team ethic, and can bring out the best in people that have been dismissed by others is also key.

I think he'll be a terrific appointment, and we'll overachieve under him.



*Watched a couple of YouTube videos and that.

What do you mean by overacheive?

I think we unnderachrive big time. We should have at least two cups since 2016 and we have none, that would be achieving what we should with the number of Hsmpden trips in last 10 years.

Overacheiving yo me would be winning the league?

With the size of our club and a poor season from one of the Old Firm 2nd should be achievable by a decent manager, always frustrated me we difnt have a proper go at it in the Covid Season. Look at the clubs that have done it recently.

[S4uzee]

It feels a little flat to me this time. Last time it was between Johnson and JDT and there had been talk of Roy Keane as well. There was a bit of buzz about it. Don't know if it's a case of "here we go again" but i'm pretty scunnered with the whole new manager hunt this time. The whole Johnson out episode was just draining. If it's to be Montgomery then good luck to him. My preferred candidate would be Robinson but not exactly thrilled at that prospect either. Hopefully whoever it is can bring a bit of excitement back to the support. Just want it done and dusted and the football to start again.
Totally agree. Felt relieved Johnson was sacked but the whole manager search and names being linked is all a bit flat

[SHODAN]

Are we there yet

[chrisski33]

Totally agree. Felt relieved Johnson was sacked but the whole manager search and names being linked is all a bit flat

Maybe the club believed the hype last time around Johnson and hence why it was the wrong appointment. Less hype around this one maybe a blessing in disguise?

[bingo70]

It feels a little flat to me this time. Last time it was between Johnson and JDT and there had been talk of Roy Keane as well. There was a bit of buzz about it. Don't know if it's a case of "here we go again" but i'm pretty scunnered with the whole new manager hunt this time. The whole Johnson out episode was just draining. If it's to be Montgomery then good luck to him. My preferred candidate would be Robinson but not exactly thrilled at that prospect either. Hopefully whoever it is can bring a bit of excitement back to the support. Just want it done and dusted and the football to start again.

Funny how people see things differently. I’ve been really excited by the impression that the board are going to be ambitious and adventurous this time round and I’ve loved it. I didn’t actually realise the negative impact LJ was having on the club until he left so it feels like a weight has been lifted off the club and we’re in the middle of a potentially exciting time.

I couldn’t disagree more with the desire for a boring steady Eddie appointment so I’ve tried not to let folk going on about these types dampen my enthusiasm for the new guy coming in.

I’ve loved looking into the NM videos and articles and can’t wait for him to get started now. If it’s not him I’m sure it’ll be someone equally as exciting.

[matty_f]

What do you mean by overacheive?

I think we unnderachrive big time. We should have at least two cups since 2016 and we have none, that would be achieving what we should with the number of Hsmpden trips in last 10 years.

Overacheiving yo me would be winning the league?

With the size of our club and a poor season from one of the Old Firm 2nd should be achievable by a decent manager, always frustrated me we difnt have a proper go at it in the Covid Season. Look at the clubs that have done it recently.

When I think about overachieving, I try to take an objective view of where we *should* be, based on our size, our spend, and our facilities relative to others in the league.

That places us, if we just achieve what's expected, as fifth and regular semi-semi finalists in the cups.

The logic there, which I think it's pretty robust - is that Celtic should (add generally do) win everything. When they don't, it would be reasonable to expect Rangers as the next biggest club by a distance to win what Celtic haven't.

Hearts and Aberdeen spend more than us, but not to a level that we can't at least keep up but generally you'd think the top four would consist of Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, and Aberdeen (with places 3 and 4 up for grabs).

So for us to over-achieve, we should finish third or above. I think we're close enough to fourth in spend that it would be a realistic target, even if we're at a slight disadvantage to the clubs mentioned.

Winning a cup is an overachievement. With Celtic and Rangers in the competitions every season, it should be an anomaly for anyone outside of those two to win it (which we've seen in recent seasons with Celtic doing multiple trebles).

So overachievement would be third, adding a cup would be a cherry on top.

Jack Ross overachieved. Lee Johnson just met the minimum expected for league finish and massively underachieved in the cups.

[SHODAN]

For what it's worth the appointment of Johnson was, at the time, the most disappointed I'd felt with a Hibs managerial choice since Calderwood. It's been infinitely better this time and I'd be more than happy with Montgomery.

[HoboHarry]

When I think about overachieving, I try to take an objective view of where we *should* be, based on our size, our spend, and our facilities relative to others in the league.

That places us, if we just achieve what's expected, as fifth and regular semi-semi finalists in the cups.

The logic there, which I think it's pretty robust - is that Celtic should (add generally do) win everything. When they don't, it would be reasonable to expect Rangers as the next biggest club by a distance to win what Celtic haven't.

Hearts and Aberdeen spend more than us, but not to a level that we can't at least keep up but generally you'd think the top four would consist of Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, and Aberdeen (with places 3 and 4 up for grabs).

So for us to over-achieve, we should finish third or above. I think we're close enough to fourth in spend that it would be a realistic target, even if we're at a slight disadvantage to the clubs mentioned.

Winning a cup is an overachievement. With Celtic and Rangers in the competitions every season, it should be an anomaly for anyone outside of those two to win it (which we've seen in recent seasons with Celtic doing multiple trebles).

So overachievement would be third, adding a cup would be a cherry on top.

Jack Ross overachieved. Lee Johnson just met the minimum expected for league finish and massively underachieved in the cups.
Bravo for such a sensible post but it'll never catch on :greengrin

[S4uzee]

Maybe the club believed the hype last time around Johnson and hence why it was the wrong appointment. Less hype around this one maybe a blessing in disguise?

Was there much hype around Johnson? Don’t recall that

[Donegal Hibby]

Funny how people see things differently. I’ve been really excited by the impression that the board are going to be ambitious and adventurous this time round and I’ve loved it. I didn’t actually realise the negative impact LJ was having on the club until he left so it feels like a weight has been lifted off the club and we’re in the middle of a potentially exciting time.

I couldn’t disagree more with the desire for a boring steady Eddie appointment so I’ve tried not to let folk going on about these types dampen my enthusiasm for the new guy coming in.

I’ve loved looking into the NM videos and articles and can’t wait for him to get started now. If it’s not him I’m sure it’ll be someone equally as exciting.

I've been watching a lot of NM video's. They are well worth watching for anyone that's got doubts about him becoming manager. I think he'd be a good appointment tbh .
https://youtu.be/mLMrQpo1vY0?si=ccRt7u-tC97_IFsc

[GreenPJ]

What do you mean by overacheive?

I think we unnderachrive big time. We should have at least two cups since 2016 and we have none, that would be achieving what we should with the number of Hsmpden trips in last 10 years.

Overacheiving yo me would be winning the league?

With the size of our club and a poor season from one of the Old Firm 2nd should be achievable by a decent manager, always frustrated me we difnt have a proper go at it in the Covid Season. Look at the clubs that have done it recently.

Based on our history we haven't underachieved - other than a few years in the 50's we have not had any period of sustained success in 148 years.