Hibs transfer thread (Last Day Update - Anier / Feruz (both loan) in, None out)

[Lee Marvin]

Very surprised at some people thinking holt is a massively better player than mcgeouch, personally would of thought there was not a massive difference, probably swaying more towards Dylan tbh. But saying that I will be being biased and have seen mcgeoch for a whole season.

I'm not sure how most can make a fair comparison as the majority can't have seen holt play more than a few times. I know Holt has a decent reputation and did well at sheff utd, but no idea if he is better than Dylan.

[Steve20]

Allan
Fyvie
Handling
Stanton
Carmichael

And one more central midfielder (Holt? McGeough?) according to the Stubbs interview.

Is Carmichael not more of a winger? Handling and Stanton were here last season but didn't make an impact.

Allan, Fyvie, new signing (Holt?). Still need one more to make the squad stronger than last season in there.

[number9dream]

Link to Stubbs interview. Says Scott Allan staying

http://tinyurl.com/onrqhgp

Also says he's after "another central midfielder" and that he's "happy with options going forward", which may kibosh the Jason Holt rumours.

I see Nick Ross has joined Dundee. Hartley building a tidy squad at Dens Park.

[The_Horde]

Seems to be football player and not a hammer thrower so Harry got shot of him.

Apparently he, along with walker and some others, were involved in some sort of incident which levein didn't like.

Hence they didn't extend his contract and the rumours are if someone was to bid for walker he'd be away too.

[ballengeich]

The midfield we've got signed look a little bit short of physical strength and defensive ability. Also, I'm not sure if any of them naturally plays on the left. Someone to deal with these deficiencies would be welcome.

[Iain G]

Apparently he, along with walker and some others, were involved in some sort of incident which levein didn't like.

Hence they didn't extend his contract and the rumours are if someone was to bid for walker he'd be away too.

Yeah they passed the ball along the ground...

[Brightside]

Maybe Scott martin stepping up as well?

Scott certainly expected to play a major part in the senior squad this year.

[Brightside]

Is Carmichael not more of a winger? Handling and Stanton were here last season but didn't make an impact.

Allan, Fyvie, new signing (Holt?). Still need one more to make the squad stronger than last season in there.

Carmichael plays on wing or behind the striker.

[Hibs History]

Paul Barnes (@STVPaul) stating we have made no approach / no contact with Jason Holt.....

[J-C]

Carmichael plays on wing or behind the striker.

Carmichael plays generally behind the striker but is also adept on the wing where he played against Rangers, I'd expect him to be our main attacking midfield presence.

[J-C]

Very surprised at some people thinking holt is a massively better player than mcgeouch, personally would of thought there was not a massive difference, probably swaying more towards Dylan tbh. But saying that I will be being biased and have seen mcgeoch for a whole season.


Only problem I have with Dylan is he picks up a lot of injuries throughout a season, do we need an injury prone player with such a big season ahead.

[KWJ]

The midfield we've got signed look a little bit short of physical strength and defensive ability. Also, I'm not sure if any of them naturally plays on the left. Someone to deal with these deficiencies would be welcome.

Not overly concerned about the lack of size in the middle as I wouldn't want to see a footballer like Fyvie or even Stanton on the bench while a hatchet man is on the pitch. So long as the players are confident and play with their head up their skill should be enough.

Agree with you re the left side though. I thought Carmichael was centre or right, Boyle is right and while Allan, Stanton and Fyvie can all float left I wouldn't want them hugging the touchline. So that only leaves Harris as our left mid.

Maybe it will be the 4-3-3 with Cummings as the left prong and Stevenson covering the ground.

[Brooster]

Paul Barnes (@STVPaul) stating we have made no approach / no contact with Jason Holt.....

Absolute garbage.

[Thecat23]

Paul Barnes (@STVPaul) stating we have made no approach / no contact with Jason Holt.....

Well that's a lie!

[Unseen work]

I think our formation will be a 433 this season, Boyle and Carmichael out wide with Allan in the hole

[J-C]

Not overly concerned about the lack of size in the middle as I wouldn't want to see a footballer like Fyvie or even Stanton on the bench while a hatchet man is on the pitch. So long as the players are confident and play with their head up their skill should be enough.

Agree with you re the left side though. I thought Carmichael was centre or right, Boyle is right and while Allan, Stanton and Fyvie can all float left I wouldn't want them hugging the touchline. So that only leaves Harris as our left mid.

Maybe it will be the 4-3-3 with Cummings as the left prong and Stevenson covering the ground.

This was my thinking too, most strikers nowadays are adept at playing anywhere across the offensive line. We seen last season Malonga, Cummings and Djedje all able to play from a wider striker position, coming in from either wing, Keatings and Boyle are both capable of doing he same.

[Unseen work]

This was my thinking too, most strikers nowadays are adept at playing anywhere across the offensive line. We seen last season Malonga, Cummings and Djedje all able to play from a wider striker position, coming in from either wing, Keatings and Boyle are both capable of doing he same.

Would hate to see Cummings out wide, his main attribute is being in the right position at the right time and putting the ball in the net. Think he would be a waste out left

[CapitalGreen]

Carmichael plays generally behind the striker but is also adept on the wing where he played against Rangers, I'd expect him to be our main attacking midfield presence.

“Every time I’ve seen him play, I’ve been impressed by him; he is an exciting winger – direct, quick and clever."
- Alan Stubbs, 02/06/15

Seems like Stubbs will play him as a winger.

[scoopyboy]

Very surprised at some people thinking holt is a massively better player than mcgeouch, personally would of thought there was not a massive difference, probably swaying more towards Dylan tbh. But saying that I will be being biased and have seen mcgeoch for a whole season.

I respect your opinion UW although I would opt for Holt personally.

One thing I would say however is you have not seen Dylan over a whole season for the simple reason that he didn't get anywhere near playing a full season.

Even after his op he was never right and I believe he could be plagued by this for the rest of his career. Irrespective of whether he is with Hibs or not I hope I am wrong about him missing a lot of games in the future.

[J-C]

“Every time I’ve seen him play, I’ve been impressed by him; he is an exciting winger – direct, quick and clever."
- Alan Stubbs, 02/06/15

Seems like Stubbs will play him as a winger.


Fair enough, I was going by what the commentators were saying in the 2nd leg against Rangers, they said he normally plays through the middle but can play out wide which he was in that game due to a player being injured, seems strange we'd sign another right winger when Boyle seemed to be the main right winger in our sights.

[andrew70]

I think our formation will be a 433 this season, Boyle and Carmichael out wide with Allan in the hole

New GK?
Gray Hanlon Fontaine Stevenson
Allan Fyvie Holt?
Carmichael Malonga Boyle

Sub New GK
P. Watson?
Forster
Crane
Keatings
Handling
El Alagui

We have a range of great options in terms of personnel and formations.

Edit: That many I forgot about Jason Cummings

[J-C]

Would hate to see Cummings out wide, his main attribute is being in the right position at the right time and putting the ball in the net. Think he would be a waste out left


The thing with a 4-3-3 is that the front 3 are interchangeable, he won't be sitting wide left but this is all speculation as we don't know what Stubbs has in mind for this season.

[J-C]

New GK?
Gray Hanlon Fontaine Stevenson
Allan Fyvie Holt?
Carmichael Malonga Boyle

Sub New GK
P. Watson?
Forster
Crane
Keatings
Handling
El Alagui

We have a range of great options in terms of personnel and formations.

Edit: That many I forgot about Jason Cummings


So no room for the top striker in the league last season ??


edit. just seen your edit lol

[My_Wife_Camille]

Absolute garbage.


Well that's a lie!
Funny that in the hour or so since the STV guy said that there was no interest, all the Transfer News Twitter goons are claiming that 'they understand' the deal is off:cb

[Unseen work]

I respect your opinion UW although I would opt for Holt personally.

One thing I would say however is you have not seen Dylan over a whole season for the simple reason that he didn't get anywhere near playing a full season.

Even after his op he was never right and I believe he could be plagued by this for the rest of his career. Irrespective of whether he is with Hibs or not I hope I am wrong about him missing a lot of games in the future.

True he was injured for a while but still managed 20ish games and for the majority of those his performances were of a high standard IMO. I was really impressed by his energy and enthusiasm to win the ball back and did so numerous times.

In unsure if holt would bring the same attributes and that worrys me as I think we're already a bit soft in midfield

[Billychaotic182]

Been saying for weeks that we should g for Rhys McCabe and it's looking like we finally are if you believe Facebook

[Iain G]

The thing with a 4-3-3 is that the front 3 are interchangeable, he won't be sitting wide left but this is all speculation as we don't know what Stubbs has in mind for this season.

Given that we have a few more attacking wide players available, perhaps the fullbacks won't always be the ones providing width this season, maybe a more traditional 442 is good enough for the Championship with the right players?

[hfc rd]

Really happy that Fontaine has signed. All we need now is:

2 GK
Cover at RB & LB
Defensive Mid
Attacking Mid

[J-C]

Given that we have a few more attacking wide players available, perhaps the fullbacks won't always be the ones providing width this season, maybe a more traditional 442 is good enough for the Championship with the right players?


This was also my thinking too, we relied far too much on Lewis and Gray, in fact Lewis looked knackered by the end of the season.

We need to look at a way to break down teams that put 10 men behind the ball and wide players do that by stretching them.

[stokesmessiah]

Has anyone seen the BBC's headline for Scottish football news?? Celtic & Sevco have enquires about Allan!

[KWJ]

Wondered in the other thread if the lack of Fontaine news on BBC was due to ineptness or fudness.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33261699

Complete and utter FUDDERY.

[stokesmessiah]

Wondered in the other thread if the lack of Fontaine news on BBC was due to ineptness or fudness.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33261699

Complete and utter FUDDERY.

Just posted that too, unreal!

[SHODAN]

Wondered in the other thread if the lack of Fontaine news on BBC was due to ineptness or fudness.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33261699

Complete and utter FUDDERY.

Complete non-story, no sources, nothing new. It's almost as if the two of them have been in touch to try and ramp up a wee bit of pressure.

[Kato]

Wondered in the other thread if the lack of Fontaine news on BBC was due to ineptness or fudness.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33261699

Complete and utter FUDDERY.

They are obliged to do their job at this time of year - which is to tap up other teams' players for the Weegie Clubs.

[Hibs History]

Wondered in the other thread if the lack of Fontaine news on BBC was due to ineptness or fudness.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33261699

Complete and utter FUDDERY.

Beeping typical west coast media rubbish!

Hate the BBC and everything they stand for!!!

[J-C]

Has anyone seen the BBC's headline for Scottish football news?? Celtic & Sevco have enquires about Allan!


Lazy journalism, non story, no quotes, no facts, nothing.

[The Leith Dutch]

Really happy that Fontaine has signed. All we need now is:

2 GK
Cover at RB & LB
Defensive Mid
Attacking Mid

Not sure if anyone knows enough about Carmichael or Keatings at dead balls but I think we really need someone who can take a decent shot from a free kick.
More dead ball ability throughout the team would be a help.

[Waxy]

Has anyone seen the BBC's headline for Scottish football news?? Celtic & Sevco have enquires about Allan!Has there ever been a time when our best player has NOT been linked with Celtic since 1888? Hope Stjarnan beat them.

[KWJ]

With the Fontaine contract extension within the story. Fannies.

[AlbertK86]

Yeah they passed the ball along the ground...

Ha ha loving it !!

[SHODAN]

Good article in the EEN. Zaluska mentioned as a target.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/anthony-brown-far-cry-from-june-last-year-for-hibs-1-3810451

[AlbertK86]

How would STV know we hadn't been in contact with Holt!!

To me that makes me think we have and bothHibs and Holt keeping it tight

Two of the most reliable ITK posters Brooster and The Cat saying we have.

I believe them well ahead of the lazy journalists

As for BBC heard their news bulletin claiming both weedgie mobs have made inquiries about Scott Allan yet STUBBSY saying no inquiries as far as he knows and sounded confident he is staying for at least this season

GGTTH

[scoopyboy]

True he was injured for a while but still managed 20ish games and for the majority of those his performances were of a high standard IMO. I was really impressed by his energy and enthusiasm to win the ball back and did so numerous times.

In unsure if holt would bring the same attributes and that worrys me as I think we're already a bit soft in midfield

I would be delighted if Dylan was to sign but my worry is he would miss more games than he played. We can't afford to take a gamble on a new signings fitness.

[Aldo]

I would be delighted if Dylan was to sign but my worry is he would miss more games than he played. We can't afford to take a gamble on a new signings fitness.

I thought Dylan when fit was excellent but it looked liked he was carrying a knock in the run in to the end of season.

We need more goals (like you've mentioned) and Holt has that in his game.

Can I be greedy and ask for both??

[GordonHFC]

My daughter knows Jason Holt well as she was at school with him. Was quizzing him for 20 mins at the weekend and he was giving nothing away about where he would be playing next season

[scoopyboy]

I thought Dylan when fit was excellent but it looked liked he was carrying a knock in the run in to the end of season.

We need more goals (like you've mentioned) and Holt has that in his game.

Can I be greedy and ask for both??

Both would be bliss.

[Aldo]

Both would be bliss.

It would but can't see it.

You never know but I think either of the 2 would be great.

[Pretty Boy]

In a worrying development someone on Facebook has just posted they 'have Scott Allan on MSN Messenger' and he's using a 'Rangers song in his name'.

The worrying development is I've obviously travelled about 16 years back in time if MSN messenger is still a thing. On the bright side I'll probably invest some cash in Tamagotchis before they take the world by storm, have a wedge on France to win next years Euros and I've got a good feeling about Lehmann 1st goalscorer Hibs to win 3-0 in the derby at Tynecastle.

[Waxy]

In a worrying development someone on Facebook has just posted they 'have Scott Allan on MSN Messenger' and he's using a 'Rangers song in his name'.

The worrying development is I've obviously travelled about 16 years back in time if MSN messenger is still a thing. On the bright side I'll probably invest some cash in Tamagotchis before they take the world by storm, have a wedge on France to win next years Euros and I've got a good feeling about Lehmann 1st goalscorer Hibs to win 3-0 in the derby at Tynecastle.Youll get a decent price on Hibs to win 3-0 and a guy with plasters on his ears to score first.

[SHODAN]

In a worrying development someone on Facebook has just posted they 'have Scott Allan on MSN Messenger' and he's using a 'Rangers song in his name'.

Someone's seriously said that? Have they checked the decade?

Maybe they're from eight years ago and have confused him with David Grof.

[iwasthere1972]

In a worrying development someone on Facebook has just posted they 'have Scott Allan on MSN Messenger' and he's using a 'Rangers song in his name'.

The worrying development is I've obviously travelled about 16 years back in time if MSN messenger is still a thing. On the bright side I'll probably invest some cash in Tamagotchis before they take the world by storm, have a wedge on France to win next years Euros and I've got a good feeling about Lehmann 1st goalscorer Hibs to win 3-0 in the derby at Tynecastle.

Ha ha Tamagotchis.

They were the craze in the mid nineties. I got my daughter one and about a week later I took it back to the shop for a refund. The assistant asked me if there was something wrong with it. I said you better believe it. It's dead. :greengrin

[SHODAN]

Ha ha Tamagotchis.

They were the craze in the mid nineties. I got my daughter one and about a week later I took it back to the shop for a refund. The assistant asked me if there was something wrong with it. I said you better believe it. It's dead. :greengrin

Tamagotchi were the best. And as a pedant, the plural is the same as the singular. :wink:

[Hermit Crab]

Wish hibs would hurry up and end all the speculation around Scott Allan. Some of these rumours are just getting ridiculous now.......

[Smartie]

In a worrying development someone on Facebook has just posted they 'have Scott Allan on MSN Messenger' and he's using a 'Rangers song in his name'.

The worrying development is I've obviously travelled about 16 years back in time if MSN messenger is still a thing. On the bright side I'll probably invest some cash in Tamagotchis before they take the world by storm, have a wedge on France to win next years Euros and I've got a good feeling about Lehmann 1st goalscorer Hibs to win 3-0 in the derby at Tynecastle.

Are you sure it's Scott Allan?

Not Shaun Derry's Walls?

Or (The) Sascha Riether?

Send me a private telex when you've found out.

[Smartie]

Wish hibs would hurry up and end all the speculation around Scott Allan. Some of these rumours are just getting ridiculous now.......

That speculation will only end if he either leaves the club or the transfer window "slams" shut.

He's a Hibs player. There's nothing more the club can or should do.

[The Leith Dutch]

Wish hibs would hurry up and end all the speculation around Scott Allan. Some of these rumours are just getting ridiculous now.......

It's neither the club's job nor within it's abilities to stop speculation on fan forums or crap invented by "journalists" who couldn't investigate their own bollocks with a backscratcher.

[scoopyboy]

Wish hibs would hurry up and end all the speculation around Scott Allan. Some of these rumours are just getting ridiculous now.......

Disagree. Hibs should comment when something happens, either players in or players out.

If they were to comment on every bloody stupid rumour they would have no time to do what we need them to do, namely run our club.

[Brightside]

I think our formation will be a 433 this season, Boyle and Carmichael out wide with Allan in the hole

Just no defending at all then?? I like it! We might win all our games 7-6.

[Allant1981]

Been saying for weeks that we should g for Rhys McCabe and it's looking like we finally are if you believe Facebook

Where did you see this? I know his aunt so will try and find out

She is going to ask him tonight so he is obviously back home

[Franck Stanton]

Allan
Fyvie
Handling
Stanton
Carmichael

And one more central midfielder (Holt? McGeough?) according to the Stubbs interview.


Think we will need at least two more midfielders as Stanton has been told he will be going out on a season long loan has he not ? Listening to/reading Stubs interviews about Carmichael would suggest he will be used as a winger, so, from list above that only leaves

Handling - has had numerous chances at first team level and hasn't set the heather alight. Hope he proves me wrong this year but I have my doubts.

Fyvie

Allan - God I hope he stays.

Rumours abound about Holt is en-route, Dylan would be a good shout imo , even with both I would like us to get another.

[GlasgowHibee]

Clyde 1 saying they've got news on Allan coming up.

[Billychaotic182]

Where did you see this? I know his aunt so will try and find out

She is going to ask him tonight so he is obviously back home

It's on the hibs fans Facebook group.

[1van Sprou7e]

Clyde 1 saying they've got news on Allan coming up.

Keep us updated

[SaulGoodman]

Clyde 1 saying they've got news on Allan coming up.

"On to Football now and we can reveal Celtic and Rangers have enquired about Hibs midfielder Scott Allan. More at 7"

[Allant1981]

It's on the hibs fans Facebook group.

He is a good player, will hopefully find out in a bit

[carnoustiehibee]

"On to Football now and we can reveal Celtic and Rangers have enquired about Hibs midfielder Scott Allan. More at 7"

Hibs should put an enquiry in for Andy Murdoch and let it run in the papers for days.. The Huns can't afford Allan and he's got ambition so very much doubt he'll go.

[staunchhibby]

According to stubbs on stv news there has been no bids for allan

[iwasthere1972]

According to stubbs on stv news there has been no bids for allan

I get the impression that Allan is going nowhere.

[GordonHFC]

According to stubbs on stv news there has been no bids for allan

Bids and enquiries are two different things though.

[Thecat23]

Bids and enquiries are two different things though.

Correct, The Rangers have asked about the availability of Allan last week. Nothing more nothing less!

[GordonHFC]

Correct, The Rangers have asked about the availability of Allan last week. Nothing more nothing less!

Exactly. Supporters of The Huns can see they have made enquiries as to his availability but they will never make a bid coz they can't afford him. Makes it look like they tried but we knocked them back.

[Thecat23]

Exactly. Supporters of The Huns can see they have made enquiries as to his availability but they will never make a bid coz they can't afford him. Makes it look like they tried but we knocked them back.

Yep, they try make themselves look good when in reality they have no chance of getting him.

[Aldo]

Hibs should put an enquiry in for Andy Murdoch and let it run in the papers for days.. The Huns can't afford Allan and he's got ambition so very much doubt he'll go.

Let's face it they wouldn't run it so as not to upset them!!

[TRC]

In a worrying development someone on Facebook has just posted they 'have Scott Allan on MSN Messenger' and he's using a 'Rangers song in his name'.

The worrying development is I've obviously travelled about 16 years back in time if MSN messenger is still a thing. On the bright side I'll probably invest some cash in Tamagotchis before they take the world by storm, have a wedge on France to win next years Euros and I've got a good feeling about Lehmann 1st goalscorer Hibs to win 3-0 in the derby at Tynecastle.
I jusr saw this on Ceefax must be true

[Aldo]

I jusr saw this on Ceefax must be true

Drat turned away and missed it. Was in page 2 of 399. Long wait

[Thecat23]

Drat turned away and missed it. Was in page 2 of 399. Long wait

😂

[Bostonhibby]

In a worrying development someone on Facebook has just posted they 'have Scott Allan on MSN Messenger' and he's using a 'Rangers song in his name'.

The worrying development is I've obviously travelled about 16 years back in time if MSN messenger is still a thing. On the bright side I'll probably invest some cash in Tamagotchis before they take the world by storm, have a wedge on France to win next years Euros and I've got a good feeling about Lehmann 1st goalscorer Hibs to win 3-0 in the derby at Tynecastle.
I've heard running two sets of accounts and not paying their majesty any tax or NI is the next big thing.,why do we keep missing out?

[Thecat23]

Scott's carrier pigeon was tweeting a Rangers song so it must be true!

[Matt92]

Superb business so far - we are now looking like a good team/very encouraging that they are all on 2 year deals so, in the unlikely event we stay down or when we go up - we will have a settled squad ready for the next season. If we can get Scott to sign a year extension, get a good quality keeper (i.e. Williams) and another creative/pacy type (McGeogh) then I will be a happy man.

[eastmainsmsh]

Anything about Kello?

[Aldo]

Anything about Kello?

Hope not!

[bingo70]

Anything about Kello?

I'm all for staying open minded but if its true about Holt that's us already got 2 ex hearts ****s, a third would be pushing it!

In all seriousness though, is he rumoured to be coming?

[bingo70]

Gk's- none

Rb- Gray, forster, Boyle
Lb- Stevenson
Ch- Fontaine, Hanlon, forster

Cm- Allan, fyvie, handling, Stanton

Wingers- Boyle, Carmichael, Harris.

Forwards- Cummings, Farid, keatings, Malonga

Based on the above I think we need 2 keepers, cover for left back, cover for ch and 2 midfielders. I'd be amazed if we get another 6 players in but I think that's what's needed.

[madhatter]

just to recap, what are the remaining rumours?

[Unseen work]

just to recap, what are the remaining rumours?

So far

Zaluska
Williams
Oxley
Logan (Leicester goal keeper)

Keith Watson
Paul Watson

Holt
Mccabe
Mcgeouch

I think that's the names everyone is putting about

Edit; the Morton left back too

[PeterboroHibee]

Gk's- none

Rb- Gray, forster, Boyle
Lb- Stevenson
Ch- Fontaine, Hanlon, forster

Cm- Allan, fyvie, handling, Stanton

Wingers- Boyle, Carmichael, Harris.

Forwards- Cummings, Farid, keatings, Malonga

Based on the above I think we need 2 keepers, cover for left back, cover for ch and 2 midfielders. I'd be amazed if we get another 6 players in but I think that's what's needed.

Id say six would be the minimum we need. Two of them will be keepers, which would leave 4 players. We are already short in midfield having lost Craig, McGeough and Robertson, so we need some replacements there. Stevenson also suffered from not having any back up, and we have apparently been linked with another CB. I think we would leave ourselves well short if we maybe less than six signings!

[Callum_62]

just to recap, what are the remaining rumours?

Ben Williams
Mark Oxley
L Zaluska

Paul Watson

Dylan Mcgeough
Jason Holt

[Pretty Boy]

Talking of goalkeepers I did hear a whisper about Scott Loach, ex England under 21 last at Rotherham. No idea if there's anything in it but was told we are interested.

[brog]

Id say six would be the minimum we need. Two of them will be keepers, which would leave 4 players. We are already short in midfield having lost Craig, McGeough and Robertson, so we need some replacements there. Stevenson also suffered from not having any back up, and we have apparently been linked with another CB. I think we would leave ourselves well short if we maybe less than six signings!

I'm not sure we can say we've lost McGeouch as he was a loan signing. If we say that then we can include Harris as a new signing! As it is we've signed Fyvie, which astonished & delighted me and Carmichael so we're not really short considering we also have Allan, Stanton & Handling. Having said that I think we'll sign one more midfield player but IMO it's wishful thinking for another 6 players. I expect 4 including 2 keepers.

[nellio]

Talking of goalkeepers I did hear a whisper about Scott Loach, ex England under 21 last at Rotherham. No idea if there's anything in it but was told we are interested.
I saw this lad play for Watford a few seasons back. Was decent and has been playing in the championship still so still at a very good level.

[AlbertK86]

People going on about cover for left back

Yep we are short but I can see Calum Crane being called upon

Likewise on right back Dunsmore may be cover

Think we will see 2 keepers a CH and a centre mid

IF Stanton/ Harris / Handling go out on loan then there maybe one or two loans coming in

With big Fonts resigning and Scotty Allan staying I reckon we are shaping up very nicely indeed

Holy would be very good addition if that comes off

GGTTH

[Greenworld]

I hope your joking if stanton/harris/handling need to go on loan again then they are not good enough just let them go .....

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[Smartie]

I actually think we're just about there once we get the keeper situation sorted out.

If Dunsmore and Crane aren't close to being ready to be thrown in if needed then they shouldn't really be at the club.

We also have a lot of versatile players.

I think that Hanlon is simply a very good football player and I think he could play different positions if called upon in an emergency (LB and also DM). Fontaine being back as our first choice left-sided CH means that we could shift Hanlon if necessary.

I'd also be happy to see Stevenson play DM.

Boyle can play up front, out wide or at WB if necessary.

Carmichael can play a couple of roles.

Harris may yet have a role to play.

Handling can play various positions.

Seemingly Fontaine's a decent keeper too!

We may be need a bit of cover at the back so we can still play certain formations even though we may have certain players injured/suspended i.e. I thought that the injuries to Watson, Forster, Boyle and Gray at times towards the end of last season badly affected our ability to play the 3-5-2 which we used to great effect at times during the season - we're only an injury or so away from being prevented from being able to play this way.

I'm now more bothered about potentially losing players such as Scott Allan than I am about gaining players.

[B.H.F.C]

I actually think we're just about there once we get the keeper situation sorted out.

If Dunsmore and Crane aren't close to being ready to be thrown in if needed then they shouldn't really be at the club.

We also have a lot of versatile players.

I think that Hanlon is simply a very good football player and I think he could play different positions if called upon in an emergency (LB and also DM). Fontaine being back as our first choice left-sided CH means that we could shift Hanlon if necessary.

I'd also be happy to see Stevenson play DM.

Boyle can play up front, out wide or at WB if necessary.

Carmichael can play a couple of roles.

Harris may yet have a role to play.

Handling can play various positions.

Seemingly Fontaine's a decent keeper too!

We may be need a bit of cover at the back so we can still play certain formations even though we may have certain players injured/suspended i.e. I thought that the injuries to Watson, Forster, Boyle and Gray at times towards the end of last season badly affected our ability to play the 3-5-2 which we used to great effect at times during the season - we're only an injury or so away from being prevented from being able to play this way.

I'm now more bothered about potentially losing players such as Scott Allan than I am about gaining players.

We aren't far away from having a very strong 11. Just a goalie really. Still got a bit of work to do to have a squad IMO.

It's fine saying we have players like Handling who can play various positions. But last season the likes of him and Stanton were kept out of the team by players no longer at the club. I think we still need to properly replace those players. Other than Allan and Fyvie, do we really have anybody else in the middle of the park that we can absolutely trust? Numbers maybe aren't bad, but beyond our first picks we need more quality IMO.

The business we have done so far has been really good. But I still think 6, including 2 goalies is needed. We won't have it by the first game. I think we will have 3 or 4 by then. With another couple by the end of the window. Probably with the likes of Harris going out somewhere.

My fear would be losing the likes of Allan right at the end of the window.

[Andy74]

I actually think we're just about there once we get the keeper situation sorted out.

If Dunsmore and Crane aren't close to being ready to be thrown in if needed then they shouldn't really be at the club.

We also have a lot of versatile players.

I think that Hanlon is simply a very good football player and I think he could play different positions if called upon in an emergency (LB and also DM). Fontaine being back as our first choice left-sided CH means that we could shift Hanlon if necessary.

I'd also be happy to see Stevenson play DM.

Boyle can play up front, out wide or at WB if necessary.

Carmichael can play a couple of roles.

Harris may yet have a role to play.

Handling can play various positions.

Seemingly Fontaine's a decent keeper too!

We may be need a bit of cover at the back so we can still play certain formations even though we may have certain players injured/suspended i.e. I thought that the injuries to Watson, Forster, Boyle and Gray at times towards the end of last season badly affected our ability to play the 3-5-2 which we used to great effect at times during the season - we're only an injury or so away from being prevented from being able to play this way.

I'm now more bothered about potentially losing players such as Scott Allan than I am about gaining players.

Nah. We are well short of where we finished the season.

[Pretty Boy]

Nah. We are well short of where we finished the season.

Not really well short.

We have lost a goalkeeper who was decent but hardly irreplaceable and one who never played a 1st team game for us.

Watson in defence who did a job but I think we'll bring in better. We have got Fontaine, Gray and Stevenson all signed up so our prefered back line from last season is intact whether that be with 4 or 3. Both the young full backs from the development team are 100% in the plans for this season as well.

Craig and Robertson in midfield, one who spent large parts of the season on the bench. We have brought in Carmichael, tied Fyvie down and brought in Boyle permanently. Allan is still here. An area we definitely need a couple more.

We have lost Djedje up top who was a bit part player and replaced him with a proven goalscorer at this level. We have a fully fit Farid back and a youngster who will play a part this year. Malonga and Cummings were both well amongst the top goalscorer in the league last year, that's 4 very decent options up front with both Allan and Boyle able to cover if required.

So really we are only 3 1st team players down, only 2 of whom was a first pick every week and we haven't even started pre season yet. That's a far better situation than I feared we would be in after the Rangers games. I'd expect another 5 or so to come in, a couple of whom may be loans.

[Gmack7]

Scott shearer released by crewe (keeper) was he at Everton a few years back?

[Thecat23]

Nah. We are well short of where we finished the season.

Wouldn't say well short, still need 3 or 4 more. But compared to this time last year it's night and day! Stubbs and Leeann have done superb thus far.

[theonlywayisup]

Drat turned away and missed it. Was in page 2 of 399. Long wait

There is a whole generation that have no idea what you are talking about!!!

[CallumLaidlaw]

I think we're in a healthy position for this point. We have a good core to the team, and with a few more shrewd additions, I really think we have a strong chance of winning this league.

[Andy74]

Not really well short.

We have lost a goalkeeper who was decent but hardly irreplaceable and one who never played a 1st team game for us.

Watson in defence who did a job but I think we'll bring in better. We have got Fontaine, Gray and Stevenson all signed up so our prefered back line from last season is intact whether that be with 4 or 3. Both the young full backs from the development team are 100% in the plans for this season as well.

Craig and Robertson in midfield, one who spent large parts of the season on the bench. We have brought in Carmichael, tied Fyvie down and brought in Boyle permanently. Allan is still here. An area we definitely need a couple more.

We have lost Djedje up top who was a bit part player and replaced him with a proven goalscorer at this level. We have a fully fit Farid back and a youngster who will play a part this year. Malonga and Cummings were both well amongst the top goalscorer in the league last year, that's 4 very decent options up front with both Allan and Boyle able to cover if required.

So really we are only 3 1st team players down, only 2 of whom was a first pick every week and we haven't even started pre season yet. That's a far better situation than I feared we would be in after the Rangers games. I'd expect another 5 or so to come in, a couple of whom may be loans.

Yes better than last pre season that's for sure.

Right now though we are two keepers down, and we need cover for both full backs and probably at centre half too.

We've lost Robertson and McGeough who started games they were fit for as well as Craig.

We are fine up front.

My point was to the comment that we are nearly there if we get a keeper. We aren't at all. Still 5 or 6 short.

[The_Sauz]

In a worrying development someone on Facebook has just posted they 'have Scott Allan on MSN Messenger' and he's using a 'Rangers song in his name'.

The worrying development is I've obviously travelled about 16 years back in time if MSN messenger is still a thing. On the bright side I'll probably invest some cash in Tamagotchis before they take the world by storm, have a wedge on France to win next years Euros and I've got a good feeling about Lehmann 1st goalscorer Hibs to win 3-0 in the derby at Tynecastle.


Originally known as MSN Messenger, it was launched in 1999 but was switched off for most users in 2013, after Microsoft bought rival Skype. :wink:

[lochhibs]

sol bamba signed a 2 year deal with leeds today.

i know we'd never afford him but i'd like to see us sign that type of player.the players we're being linked i'd be happy with but i think we're lacking a player with a bit experience and presence.although i like our midfielders they are all quite young and slight.im not gutted craig and robertson are away but it does leave us pretty inexperienced going into a season where an older head might be what the team really needs.

[jacomo]

Yes better than last pre season that's for sure.

Right now though we are two keepers down, and we need cover for both full backs and probably at centre half too.

We've lost Robertson and McGeough who started games they were fit for as well as Craig.

We are fine up front.

My point was to the comment that we are nearly there if we get a keeper. We aren't at all. Still 5 or 6 short.

I think we might be looking to the kids to fill out the 1st team squad.

LD set this strategy out a year ago and, keepers apart, we are pretty much there with having an 18 ready to go.

Obviously this is a risk if they aren't good enough, but I think we might be about to find out.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Holt to sign shortly (maybe this week) and Allan to finally extend his extension. Source is the guy who told me Fontaine was signing!

Let's see if he's right!!

:aok:

Great news, any updates on this?

[bingo70]

:aok:

Great news, any updates on this?

Players back in for tests ahead of pre season today so hopefully might get some news today

[Aldo]

There is a whole generation that have no idea what you are talking about!!!


Ha! True!! You obviously do!!

[Andy74]

I think we might be looking to the kids to fill out the 1st team squad.

LD set this strategy out a year ago and, keepers apart, we are pretty much there with having an 18 ready to go.

Obviously this is a risk if they aren't good enough, but I think we might be about to find out.

I would hope not. They should and will be managed to come in and out at the right times.

This is not the year to rely on 4 or 5 of them.

I'm not sure why people would be happy with us being worse off squad wise than last year where we failed to go up?

I fully expect another 4 or 5 players to come in.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I would hope not. They should and will be managed to come in and out at the right times.

This is not the year to rely on 4 or 5 of them.

I'm not sure why people would be happy with us being worse off squad wise than last year where we failed to go up?

I fully expect another 4 or 5 players to come in.

4 minimum :agree:
Especially when you think 2 will be keepers. We still need LB cover, CB cover, then 2 in midfield (maybe one CM and one LM)

[Hfc_Since1875]

I read in the EEN Stubbs saying he hopes to have a keeper in the by the end of the week

Do any ITK people know who it is?

Read quite a few names - Oxley, Logan, Williams. & zaluska off the top of my head!

[hibee92]

@STVPaul: Scott Allan back at #Hibs for pre-season. Says "I've got a year left on my contract and I'll be seeing that out." http://t.co/OKtqJhgefD

[Brightside]

I expect us to sign one other midfielder (Holt if he agrees), one other CB (Watson), and 2 goalies. That's it.

Cover for LB and RB will come from the existing squad (Hanlon and Forster can also play as full backs, and we will also play 3 at the back a lot to bring Boyle into the game) also and dev squad players moving up

[CallumLaidlaw]

@anthonyabrown: Liam Fontaine to be Hibs' deputy captain, Paul Watson in for pre-season and Dylan McGeouch unlikely to return to ER. All in @edinburghpaper

[Ronniekirk]

I think we might be looking to the kids to fill out the 1st team squad.

LD set this strategy out a year ago and, keepers apart, we are pretty much there with having an 18 ready to go.

Obviously this is a risk if they aren't good enough, but I think we might be about to find out.

It's true one of her first priorities was to bridge the disconnect between development team and first team , but i wouldn't of thought that any of the current squad are ready to just step in ,they need game time and prepared for this ,not just flung in . We have seen Stanton and Harris struggle to adapt to this leaugue and hold a place down in first team ,and Handling had biggest run out of all of them but again fell out of favour .
If the Cat is right again ,and Holt is about to sign ,then Handling may be kept to be in the mix but think Stanton needs to go out on loan unless he has a great per season and shows up well in friendlies .i know some have said they think he should be punted ,but he showed enough promise in his first season to suggest their is a player in their . Harris showed at Dundee with his confidence back he can do a job ,so again he may get another opportunity, but Stubbs may need to offer one of them to another club to bring in a promising young player who has already performed at Championship level ie the Greenock Morton full back for example .
But think if Holt and first team keeper and back up keeper are recruited soon then it's a few squad players like Paul Watson for defensive cover and we will be there unless we shift more season tickets

[Salt N Sauzee]

Is Holt actually in talks with us?

I thought that was a wind up!

[flash]

Is Holt actually in talks with us?

I thought that was a wind up!

I don't think he is.

[Brightside]

I don't think he is.

Discussions have taken place.

[Salt N Sauzee]

Discussions have taken place.


Source?

[SaulGoodman]

I can't wait until Rangers fans realise Scott Allan isn't going to them

[w pilton hibby]

Lengthy article here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3138233/Celtic-Rangers-target-Scott-Allan-not-sale-insists-Hibernian-boss-Alan-Stubbs.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

re Scott Allan situation. Now reported in other media.

Also says Celtic have activated a 1 year option on Dylan McGeough's contract.

[J-C]

Lengthy article here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3138233/Celtic-Rangers-target-Scott-Allan-not-sale-insists-Hibernian-boss-Alan-Stubbs.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

re Scott Allan situation. Now reported in other media.

Also says Celtic have activated a 1 year option on Dylan McGeough's contract.


TBH we got Allan for nothing and if he can reproduce last season's form, then I wouldn't be unhappy if he went for nothing next year, it would mean we were back in the top flight, which is our main aim.

[flash]

Discussions have taken place.

Maybe but I don't think he will be signing.

[Brightside]

Source?

verbal.

[essexhibee]

Allan just been on sky sports saying he will see out his contract.

[Billychaotic182]

@anthonyabrown: Liam Fontaine to be Hibs' deputy captain, Paul Watson in for pre-season and Dylan McGeouch unlikely to return to ER. All in @edinburghpaper

So the Raith player Paul Watson is with us today? Or do you think they meant Keith Watson?

[S4uzee]

Allan just been on sky sports saying he will see out his contract.

Kind of puts an end to the speculation he might sign an extension

[cabbageandribs1875]

Kind of puts an end to the speculation he might sign an extension


that's what i'm thinking as well :agree: cue a few posters on here calling him all the names under the sun in 6 months time because he wont sign an extension:greengrin

[CallumLaidlaw]

So the Raith player Paul Watson is with us today? Or do you think they meant Keith Watson?

Raith player Paul Watson yes.

[Winston Ingram]

@anthonyabrown: Liam Fontaine to be Hibs' deputy captain, Paul Watson in for pre-season and Dylan McGeouch unlikely to return to ER. All in @edinburghpaper

:boo hoo:

[Juice-Terry]

Kind of puts an end to the speculation he might sign an extension

How's that then?

[Winston Ingram]

Kind of puts an end to the speculation he might sign an extension

Does it?

[brog]

I expect us to sign one other midfielder (Holt if he agrees), one other CB (Watson), and 2 goalies. That's it.

Cover for LB and RB will come from the existing squad (Hanlon and Forster can also play as full backs, and we will also play 3 at the back a lot to bring Boyle into the game) also and dev squad players moving up

I think you're spot on with that assessment. I don't really understand why people are saying we're 5 or 6 short! Obviously we need 2 keepers, that will be addressed by next week at latest & as you ( & AS ) say we'll also bring in 2 more. We've "lost" Robertson & Craig ( by choice ) one of whom has been the subject of sustained vitriol on here, & a loan player in Dylan M. We've signed, Boyle, Fyvie, Carmichael & Keatings & extended contracts for Stevenson, Gray & Fontaine. Of those 7 only Lewis was at the club this time last year. We didn't win the league last season because we lost 4 of our 1st 6 games & at that time our squad included Mickey Nelson, Tudor-Jones & Heffernan. that will not happen this season!

[The_Horde]

I think you're spot on with that assessment. I don't really understand why people are saying we're 5 or 6 short! Obviously we need 2 keepers, that will be addressed by next week at latest & as you ( & AS ) say we'll also bring in 2 more. We've "lost" Robertson & Craig ( by choice ) one of whom has been the subject of sustained vitriol on here, & a loan player in Dylan M. We've signed, Boyle, Fyvie, Carmichael & Keatings & extended contracts for Stevenson, Gray & Fontaine. Of those 7 only Lewis was at the club this time last year. We didn't win the league last season because we lost 4 of our 1st 6 games & at that time our squad included Mickey Nelson, Tudor-Jones & Heffernan. that will not happen this season!

I think we definitely need more cover than last year. We need backup for all positions, so we don't get stuck using one formation because we don't have a backup right or left back or even a winger short so are forced into having to play so narrow it's painful.

[vercol36]

If Allen is wanting to play out the rest of his contract, perhaps it is a "I'll decide later" sort of thing... i.e. If it looks like I've helped Hibs to gain promotion, I'll maybe sign another contract (or go to Celtic if they put in an offer), or, if it looks like I've done well for Hibs but they're not getting promoted, I'll away to Rangers.

[brog]

It's true one of her first priorities was to bridge the disconnect between development team and first team , but i wouldn't of thought that any of the current squad are ready to just step in ,they need game time and prepared for this ,not just flung in . We have seen Stanton and Harris struggle to adapt to this leaugue and hold a place down in first team ,and Handling had biggest run out of all of them but again fell out of favour .
If the Cat is right again ,and Holt is about to sign ,then Handling may be kept to be in the mix but think Stanton needs to go out on loan unless he has a great per season and shows up well in friendlies .i know some have said they think he should be punted ,but he showed enough promise in his first season to suggest their is a player in their . Harris showed at Dundee with his confidence back he can do a job ,so again he may get another opportunity, but Stubbs may need to offer one of them to another club to bring in a promising young player who has already performed at Championship level ie the Greenock Morton full back for example .
But think if Holt and first team keeper and back up keeper are recruited soon then it's a few squad players like Paul Watson for defensive cover and we will be there unless we shift more season tickets

I agree & another thing in Sam's favour is he's now the only left sided midfield player we have. However I think we'll play a 3-5-2 formation for the majority of our games this season, there's no need for 4 defenders when most teams will come to ER playing a variation on a Craig Levein's 4-6-0! Playing 3 at the back means PH doesn't have to play on right side of defence & also allows Lewis to give us the width on the left. Once we have 2 keepers & the CB/CM players in I think we have an excellent squad which will also hopefully allow us to blood young players at the right time.

[Steve20]

I think you're spot on with that assessment. I don't really understand why people are saying we're 5 or 6 short! Obviously we need 2 keepers, that will be addressed by next week at latest & as you ( & AS ) say we'll also bring in 2 more. We've "lost" Robertson & Craig ( by choice ) one of whom has been the subject of sustained vitriol on here, & a loan player in Dylan M. We've signed, Boyle, Fyvie, Carmichael & Keatings & extended contracts for Stevenson, Gray & Fontaine. Of those 7 only Lewis was at the club this time last year. We didn't win the league last season because we lost 4 of our 1st 6 games & at that time our squad included Mickey Nelson, Tudor-Jones & Heffernan. that will not happen this season!

Boyle and Fyvie were here for the second half of last season. We've lost Robertson, Craig and Mcgeouch from the midfield and no one new has come in. The way Stubbs spoke, I think he sees Carmichael as a winger. So we're three down in the midfield from last season. As I said yesterday, I would fully expect two more midfielders to arrive. Along with 2 keepers and cover in defence, we would be leaving our squad short if we don't bring in 5 or 6.

[B.H.F.C]

I think you're spot on with that assessment. I don't really understand why people are saying we're 5 or 6 short! Obviously we need 2 keepers, that will be addressed by next week at latest & as you ( & AS ) say we'll also bring in 2 more. We've "lost" Robertson & Craig ( by choice ) one of whom has been the subject of sustained vitriol on here, & a loan player in Dylan M. We've signed, Boyle, Fyvie, Carmichael & Keatings & extended contracts for Stevenson, Gray & Fontaine. Of those 7 only Lewis was at the club this time last year. We didn't win the league last season because we lost 4 of our 1st 6 games & at that time our squad included Mickey Nelson, Tudor-Jones & Heffernan. that will not happen this season!

We are still short in midfield. We only really have Allan and Fyvie to play in the middle of park. Unless you include Stanton, Handling etc. But as you say we've lost players from that area of the team by choice. Are we really going to 'replace' them with players they were keeping out the team last year?

I get that we've signed the likes of Boyle and Fyvie permanently. But they are players that were available to us last year and we need to strengthen beyond that. Carmichael and Keatings are good signings for us but other than Fyvie and Allan we are still short in the middle of the park. Maybe not in terms of numbers but in terms of quality we are.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm happy enough for Allan to see out his contract and walk for free.
It's his contribution on the pitch I want, not his contribution to our balance sheet.

[JIm]

Barely been mentioned but we also have Harris back this year.

I however expect him to move on.......personally would prefer him to stay and make an impact but a fresh start would do him good. I believe he also feels this way amd his agent is in process of coming up with some options for down south/abroad.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm happy enough for Allan to see out his contract and walk for free.
It's his contribution on the pitch I want, not his contribution to our balance sheet.

Same for me. I'd rather he stayed and helps get us promoted than make us a profit but not get promoted.

Of course, it would depend how any profit was reinvested but I'd just rather keep him.

[brog]

I think we definitely need more cover than last year. We need backup for all positions, so we don't get stuck using one formation because we don't have a backup right or left back or even a winger short so are forced into having to play so narrow it's painful.

We will have back-up for all positions ( assuming reports re a new CB & CM are correct ). We'll have 4 centre backs, 2 of whom can also play at wing back/full back. We have a further 2 full backs & further cover at wing back from at least 2 of our 8 midfield players & we have 4 strikers. That's before we include the 5 or 6 development players who'll be part of this season's 1st team squad.
Now all they need to do is deliver!!

[Brooster]

Is Holt actually in talks with us?

I thought that was a wind up!

Yes he is. I posted way back on #85 of this thread that he was talking and that it was pretty much a done deal at that stage. I havent heard anything to change my mind. I think we are very close to signing him.

[JIm]

I'm happy enough for Allan to see out his contract and walk for free.
It's his contribution on the pitch I want, not his contribution to our balance sheet.

Here Here. I'd rather have him, help with a title challenge and if he wants to walk, fair enough. It's a bit of a win win for me as if we do go up and he has played a big role then we have an opportunity to keep him.

Thankfully the books are ok at this moment in time so playing squad should come first. Anyone who advocates cashing in IMO is missing the big picture i.e success on the pitch.

[JIm]

Yes he is. I posted way back on #85 of this thread that he was talking and that it was pretty much a done deal at that stage. I havent heard anything to change my mind. I think we are very close to signing him.

A very good signing if true which i believe is if you are saying so mate. Just needs game time to prove himself and can score plenty of goals from midfield. Will be delighted when this ones confirmed :thumbsup:

I know a couple of guys who have been in at Hearts from a young age and Holt was regarded as one of their brightest talents for years. Its all about fulfilling that potential now. Hopefully in the green and white. Although another Jambo in our ranks :greengrin

[Iceman1875]

I really hope we can sort a deal out for Dylan [emoji106]🏻


At Easter Road we play...

[Brightside]

I agree & another thing in Sam's favour is he's now the only left sided midfield player we have. However I think we'll play a 3-5-2 formation for the majority of our games this season, there's no need for 4 defenders when most teams will come to ER playing a variation on a Craig Levein's 4-6-0! Playing 3 at the back means PH doesn't have to play on right side of defence & also allows Lewis to give us the width on the left. Once we have 2 keepers & the CB/CM players in I think we have an excellent squad which will also hopefully allow us to blood young players at the right time.

Yep - I think 352 is our best set up for most games. Hanlon is excellent in the middle of that 3 and Fontaine on Left, Forster on Right. You then either have Lewis, and Gray as wide players, or you have Boyle, Carmichael, Harris, Stanton in the games where you don't need the cover. Loads of options

[Brightside]

I really hope we can sort a deal out for Dylan [emoji106]


At Easter Road we play...

Dylan not coming. (Unless its another loan) Celtic have taken up the year extension.

[Hibs90]

By saying we are going to bring in 'another midfielder' .. Did he mean McGeouch?

[Jim44]

Kind of puts an end to the speculation he might sign an extension

No it doesn't as he might yet sign one. Anyway, that's of secondary importance as having him next season is top priority. What it does tell us is that Stubb's is unreservedly determined to have him next season and that if he goes to one of the Infirm, it will be a board decision to make some money. That's when the brown stuff will hit the fan.

[Jim44]

By saying we are going to bring in 'another midfielder' .. Did he mean McGeouch?

Forget about McGeoch, he's staying put at Parkhead.

[jacomo]

TBH we got Allan for nothing and if he can reproduce last season's form, then I wouldn't be unhappy if he went for nothing next year, it would mean we were back in the top flight, which is our main aim.

Spot on. If SA helps get us promoted this year he can leave on a free next summer with our blessing. We've bee good for him, he's been good for us, we don't have to recover any transfer fee, all good.

[jacomo]

Forget about McGeoch, he's staying put at Parkhead.

They'll punt him out on loan? Or give him a chance to break into the team?

[Iceman1875]

Dylan not coming. (Unless its another loan) Celtic have taken up the year extension.

Missed that. Thanks mate.

I hope we can secure him on loan again, really rate the lad.


At Easter Road we play...

[Andy74]

I think you're spot on with that assessment. I don't really understand why people are saying we're 5 or 6 short! Obviously we need 2 keepers, that will be addressed by next week at latest & as you ( & AS ) say we'll also bring in 2 more. We've "lost" Robertson & Craig ( by choice ) one of whom has been the subject of sustained vitriol on here, & a loan player in Dylan M. We've signed, Boyle, Fyvie, Carmichael & Keatings & extended contracts for Stevenson, Gray & Fontaine. Of those 7 only Lewis was at the club this time last year. We didn't win the league last season because we lost 4 of our 1st 6 games & at that time our squad included Mickey Nelson, Tudor-Jones & Heffernan. that will not happen this season!

We have lost I think 7 regulars from the squad last year with 2 new ones so far. We probably needed 1 or 2 more last year as well.

That's why we need another 5 or 6.

[brog]

Boyle and Fyvie were here for the second half of last season. We've lost Robertson, Craig and Mcgeouch from the midfield and no one new has come in. The way Stubbs spoke, I think he sees Carmichael as a winger. So we're three down in the midfield from last season. As I said yesterday, I would fully expect two more midfielders to arrive. Along with 2 keepers and cover in defence, we would be leaving our squad short if we don't bring in 5 or 6.

Carmichael will be a winger in the same way Alex Edwards was a winger. I can't help smiling at people saying we've "lost" Liam Craig. He started 12 league games in the last 5/6 months of the season & for most people on here that was 11 games too many. Personally I was sad to see both LC & SR go but we must remember Fyvie & Boyle only started 9 & 10 league games respectively last season, Fyvie's 1st league start wasn't until late Feb. I expect FF in particular to be a key player for us this year.
I think we need to take a step back & remember where we were a year ago. If someone on this board had suggested we would have Fyvie, Allan, Carmichael, Fontaine & Keatings on contract in the Championship we would have thought the FB guy was on drugs!

[J-C]

They'll punt him out on loan? Or give him a chance to break into the team?


Decent player but injury prone, would prefer to get a squad loan free and all wanting to be here.

[Mcpakeisgod]

We have lost I think 7 regulars from the squad last year with 2 new ones so far. We probably needed 1 or 2 more last year as well.

That's why we need another 5 or 6.

Oxley and robbo are the only two regulars we've lost

[Andy74]

Carmichael will be a winger in the same way Alex Edwards was a winger. I can't help smiling at people saying we've "lost" Liam Craig. He started 12 league games in the last 5/6 months of the season & for most people on here that was 11 games too many. Personally I was sad to see both LC & SR go but we must remember Fyvie & Boyle only started 9 & 10 league games respectively last season, Fyvie's 1st league start wasn't until late Feb. I expect FF in particular to be a key player for us this year.
I think we need to take a step back & remember where we were a year ago. If someone on this board had suggested we would have Fyvie, Allan, Carmichael, Fontaine & Keatings on contract in the Championship we would have thought the FB guy was on drugs!

The start of last year isn't relevant now. We have to improve on the squad that ended the season. As it stands we are a bit short of it. The fringe players and young players are not the full answer just now if we want to win the league.

[CallumLaidlaw]

They'll punt him out on loan? Or give him a chance to break into the team?

I'm not sure why they'd take up the option for the extra year on his contract if its just to put him out on loan again. They either want to give him a chance or sell him surely.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Yes he is. I posted way back on #85 of this thread that he was talking and that it was pretty much a done deal at that stage. I havent heard anything to change my mind. I think we are very close to signing him.

Any idea on development fee Brooster?

[Andy74]

Oxley and robbo are the only two regulars we've lost

From the squad I said.

Oxley
Cerny
Watson
Craig
Robertson
McGeough
Djedje

They were all regulars in squad and some also in team when they were fit.

We've added 2 to cover that list so far.

[Brightside]

The start of last year isn't relevant now. We have to improve on the squad that ended the season. As it stands we are a bit short of it. The fringe players and young players are not the full answer just now if we want to win the league.

But they were for Hearts??

[Thecat23]

Any idea on development fee Brooster?

I thought there would be one, but isn't it only if Hearts offer him a deal and he turns it down? Then any new club would have to pay something to Hearts? But because he's been let go Hearts won't see a penny.

Happy to stand corrected on this. It was someone who pointed this out to me as I did think we would.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I thought there would be one, but isn't it only if Hearts offer him a deal and he turns it down? Then any new club would have to pay something to Hearts? But because he's been let go Hearts won't see a penny.

Happy to stand corrected on this. It was someone who pointed this out to me as I did think we would.

The newspaper articles from around April time indicated that Hearts and Sheff Utd had agreed a fee if they wanted to sign him, and seemed to indicate that they had put a new contract down to him purely to get a fee. Not sure how right that is tho.

[Andy74]

But they were for Hearts??

Their ones did, not ours. Their 'kids' had played most of the season before in the league above. We are talking about guys who have had little impact despite lots of games and youngsters who haven't played yet.

Wasn't what I had in mind for progression this year and I doubt Stubbs would think we are nearly there.

[Billy Whizz]

From the squad I said.

Oxley
Cerny
Watson
Craig
Robertson
McGeough
Djedje

They were all regulars in squad and some also in team when they were fit.

We've added 2 to cover that list so far.

You're right, we are light in numbers. Would expect Dunsmore, Crane and Martin to be around the fringes of the squad. Think numbers coming in, may depend on what's happening with Stanton, Harris and Handling

[B.H.F.C]

But they were for Hearts??

No comparrison. Their young players played in the top league the season before. Ours couldn't (except Chmmings) make an impact in the league below that.

Hopefully there are one or two that can come in and make an impact but I wouldn't like to go in to the season dependant on it.

[brog]

The start of last year isn't relevant now. We have to improve on the squad that ended the season. As it stands we are a bit short of it. The fringe players and young players are not the full answer just now if we want to win the league.

Of course it's relevant, read what you said below earlier. The main reason we failed to go up was because of the number of points dropped in the first part of last season. We will be far stronger this season unless you were a closet Craig/Robertson fan. I would have liked us to get DM back but I had mixed feelings about his contribution last season & that SF goal in particular. To say we will be worse off squad wise this season is IMO perverse.

I'm not sure why people would be happy with us being worse off squad wise than last year where we failed to go up?

[Andy74]

Of course it's relevant, read what you said below earlier. The main reason we failed to go up was because of the number of points dropped in the first part of last season. We will be far stronger this season unless you were a closet Craig/Robertson fan. I would have liked us to get DM back but I had mixed feelings about his contribution last season & that SF goal in particular. To say we will be worse off squad wise this season is IMO perverse.

I'm not sure why people would be happy with us being worse off squad wise than last year where we failed to go up?

You think we have a better squad now than when we ended the season? I disagree strongly.

That team also didn't get up. It wasn't just the season start. They also didn't win the play offs.

[Brightside]

Their ones did, not ours. Their 'kids' had played most of the season before in the league above. We are talking about guys who have had little impact despite lots of games and youngsters who haven't played yet.

Wasn't what I had in mind for progression this year and I doubt Stubbs would think we are nearly there.

I think we are a couple away from having a much stronger squad than last year. Less filler more killer. :wink:

Scott Martin for one is expected to be full squad player this year, I'd also expect Dunsmore in most weeks too. Duthie pushing also. Huge season for Handling but I know Stubbs really likes him. Stanton and Harris I think may be looking elsewhere.

Watson should sign...that will be that for defence (bar goalies obv). and one first team potential starter for CM\DM too.

[Andy74]

I think we are a couple away from having a much stronger squad than last year. Less filler more killer. :wink:

Scott Martin for one is expected to be full squad player this year, I'd also expect Dunsmore in most weeks too. Duthie pushing also. Huge season for Handling but I know Stubbs really likes him. Stanton and Harris I think may be looking elsewhere.

Watson should sign...that will be that for defence (bar goalies obv). and one first team potential starter for CM\DM too.

So who is better than the ones we lost from those you listed?

I'm very surprised people would be happy with just adding another one or two!

[Jim44]

The Sevco and Jambo punters, despite what SA has publicly announced, are still adamant that he is leaving ER. " One year left on my contract and nothing's changed." means that "I am leaving Hibs soon." according to one Jambo. :faf:

[The Harp Awakes]

Is Holt actually in talks with us?

I thought that was a wind up!

I'm pretty sure that Hibs would be interested in signing Jason and there's a decent chance that there have been talks. The big question for me is whether he would be keen to come to Hibs given he grew up a jambo and played for them. I've known Jason for years as he played in the same kids and youth teams as my laddie. What I'd say about him is that he's an exceptional talent who didn't come anywhere near reaching his potential at Hearts; I think maybe because of the position they played him in. He also suffered a bad injury which set him back. When Potter came in his days were numbered as he's a ball player and not 6 ft+.

He'd be a great signing for Hibs and I really hope this comes off. I'm told he's on holiday in Portugal just now, so if there's any truth in the signing talks, that could be holding things up.

[Steve20]

Carmichael will be a winger in the same way Alex Edwards was a winger. I can't help smiling at people saying we've "lost" Liam Craig. He started 12 league games in the last 5/6 months of the season & for most people on here that was 11 games too many. Personally I was sad to see both LC & SR go but we must remember Fyvie & Boyle only started 9 & 10 league games respectively last season, Fyvie's 1st league start wasn't until late Feb. I expect FF in particular to be a key player for us this year.
I think we need to take a step back & remember where we were a year ago. If someone on this board had suggested we would have Fyvie, Allan, Carmichael, Fontaine & Keatings on contract in the Championship we would have thought the FB guy was on drugs!

Allan and Fyvie are the only ones I would say were at the required level to play in the centre of midfield, unless Carmichael can. We need players that can step in to the team if these players aren't available and Handling and Stanton didn't have much impact last season, so I don't know why they would this season. We need to improve if we want automatic promotion.

[Brightside]

So who is better than the ones we lost from those you listed?

I'm very surprised people would be happy with just adding another one or two!

Oxley - Whoever the new keeper is...
Cerny - a cone? never played a game so hardly a loss.
Watson - Dunsmore (Paul Watson will also come in for CB)
Craig - Slated on here most weeks....personally think we will see Scott Martin or Danny Handling covering that role.
Robertson - One more CM to come in
McGeough - Carmichael as the attacking mid.
Djedje - Keatings.

What we will have a settled squad for day one. a massive step forward from last year.

[Leith Mo]

Not claiming any definitive ITK but was told a month ago Holt would not be coming to Hibs by an agent and a guy who'd played with him. That was a month ago and things move on over the summer so happy to wait and see as some reliable guys on here seem to think talks are underway. FWIW I also heard Allan had signed a 1 year extension with possible get out in January (although that doesn't tie in with his statement today re committed for season) and Celtic were pushing for a fee for Dylan which Hibs are countering with an offer of a cut of any future transfer fee. Given Celtic's reported interest in Scott the silence on our part could be part of those on going talks? As I said just what I'd heard from people outlined above and hopefully rihht and wrong!

[Andy74]

Oxley - Whoever the new keeper is...
Cerny - a cone? never played a game so hardly a loss.
Watson - Dunsmore (Paul Watson will also come in for CB)
Craig - Slated on here most weeks....personally think we will see Scott Martin or Danny Handling covering that role.
Robertson - One more CM to come in
McGeough - Carmichael as the attacking mid.
Djedje - Keatings.

What we will have a settled squad for day one. a massive step forward from last year.

So out of that Keatings better than Djedje. The rest?

Taking each area:

Keeper - two down so we will see who we get.

Defence - same except we've lost the cover in Watson who played when he was fit. So, weaker just now.

Midfield - 3 down with Carmichael added so until we add another couple we are weaker. Robertson and McGeough were both first picks most of the time.

Forwards - hopefully Keatings a better option than Djedje so a bit better.

[Brightside]

So out of that Keatings better than Djedje. The rest?

Taking each area:

Keeper - two down so we will see who we get.

Defence - same except we've lost the cover in Watson who played when he was fit. So, weaker just now. I'd rather have a fit Forster than Watson... also think Dunsmore is better than Watson... So im saying stronger.

Midfield - 3 down with Carmichael added so until we add another couple we are weaker. Robertson and McGeough were both first picks most of the time. As I say one more DM for me...and I think Scott Martin will be better this year than Craig was last.

Forwards - hopefully Keatings a better option than Djedje so a bit better.

Stronger. :wink:

[J-C]

So out of that Keatings better than Djedje. The rest?

Taking each area:

Keeper - two down so we will see who we get.

Defence - same except we've lost the cover in Watson who played when he was fit. So, weaker just now.

Midfield - 3 down with Carmichael added so until we add another couple we are weaker. Robertson and McGeough were both first picks most of the time.

Forwards - hopefully Keatings a better option than Djedje so a bit better.


Can't see us going 4 in the middle again and putting all the pressure on the wingbacks again, so we really only need one more in the middle and have cover from the youngsters. Craig only really played near the end due to McGeouch being injured and Robertson who had bags of energy was stll a headless chicken at times, Fyvie will step in there with Handling/Stanton back up. We've added Carmichael who can play wide or in the hole behind the strikers allowing Allan to play a roaming midfield role, 4-3-3 looks like the system he's going for.

[Andy74]

Stronger. :wink:

The kids were around last year and sorry, I think you are just kidding yourself if you think we have become stronger by losing first team players and suggesting the kids who have hardly, if ever, played a game are better.

I think we will get there but I think anyone saying that we are better off right now or even with just one or two new players are crazy.

[Winston Ingram]

Oxley and robbo are the only two regulars we've lost

...& McGeouch

[J-C]

The kids were around last year and sorry, I think you are just kidding yourself if you think we have become stronger by losing first team players and suggesting the kids who have hardly, if ever, played a game are better.

I think we will get there but I think anyone saying that we are better off right now or even with just one or two new players are crazy.


1st team players gone
Craig...........no big loss
Robertson ..........done ok but nothing great, went missing at important times
McGeouch.........a loan player who played half a season through injury, replaced by Carmichael
Watson........cover at RB/CH, painfully slow and very poor final ball, Forter can play there as too can Dunsmore who will step up as cover.

[J-C]

...& McGeouch


Replaced by Carmichael as attack mid.

[Winston Ingram]

There's absolutely no doubt we are weaker in the middle of the park. Robbo & McGeouch were superb last year. Now we only have Fyvie & Allan. I don't think Stanton played in the middle at all last year and chuck in Handling who rightly couldn't get a game 2nd half of the season we are without question weaker. We don't have single defensive midfield player. We lost some horror goals last year and without one i can only see that getting worse.

Bringing in Holt won't sort that as he is more of a no.10.

[RoscoHibby]

Did everyone miss Stubbs' interview on Skysports, related article to the SA one. Saying we're in negotiations with Allan re. a new contract. Stubbsy knows the score!

Stubbsyyyy, stubbsyyyy!!

[Brightside]

The kids were around last year and sorry, I think you are just kidding yourself if you think we have become stronger by losing first team players and suggesting the kids who have hardly, if ever, played a game are better.

I think we will get there but I think anyone saying that we are better off right now or even with just one or two new players are crazy.

I think we will be better off once we have the other midfielder in. (and obv goalies). We will see a big improvement in some player who have no had a full season with Stubbs etc, and we also have other maturing.

Ignoring goalie for a 2nd we can start with...


-------------Rough

-----Forster-----Hanlon-----Fonts


Gray-----Fyvie ------Allan ---------Stevenson

-------------Carmichael

-----Farid-----------------Cummings


With loads of options on the bench....Id fully expect that team to win the vast majority of games this year.

[GreenCastle]

There's absolutely no doubt we are weaker in the middle of the park. Robbo & McGeouch were superb last year. Now we only have Fyvie & Allan. I don't think Stanton played in the middle at all last year and chuck in Handling who rightly couldn't get a game 2nd half of the season we are without question weaker. We don't have single defensive midfield player. We lost some horror goals last year and without one i can only see that getting worse.

Bringing in Holt won't sort that as he is more of a no.10.

Agreed - not bedwetting or panicking - but facts are...we are weaker in the middle.

Craig / Robbo and McGeouch added experience and quality to the team last season. They all played different parts but they all contributed.

For Allan and Fyfie to play to their potential they will need help in the middle and more energy. Allan while a good player isn't a massive fan of tracking back.

Handling / Stanton / Holt can add something but we are missing someone who will protect the back 4 if needed and break up opposition play.

[TheFamous1875]

There's absolutely no doubt we are weaker in the middle of the park. Robbo & McGeouch were superb last year. Now we only have Fyvie & Allan. I don't think Stanton played in the middle at all last year and chuck in Handling who rightly couldn't get a game 2nd half of the season we are without question weaker. We don't have single defensive midfield player. We lost some horror goals last year and without one i can only see that getting worse.

Bringing in Holt won't sort that as he is more of a no.10.

Very good point. Personally I think Stanton's position is as a box-to-box central midfielder. He was played on the wings and at #10 this season and wasn't involved in the games enough which suggests to me that it's unnatural for him to be that far up the park. He has all the technical attributes to be very effective with the game in front of him.

[Thecat23]

I think we will be better off once we have the other midfielder in. (and obv goalies). We will see a big improvement in some player who have no had a full season with Stubbs etc, and we also have other maturing.

Ignoring goalie for a 2nd we can start with...


-------------Rough

-----Forster-----Hanlon-----Fonts


Gray-----Fyvie ------Allan ---------Stevenson

-------------Carmichael

-----Farid-----------------Cummings


With loads of options on the bench....Id fully expect that team to win the vast majority of games this year.

I would start Keatings if I'm honest. Although Jason was top GS Keatings would have been up their imo had he been given the chance to play each week.

[Winston Ingram]

Replaced by Carmichael as attack mid.

As Stubbs said, he's a winger and Dylan played in a standard mf role and played as dm in a couple of games

[Brightside]

As Stubbs said, he's a winger and Dylan played in a standard mf role and played as dm in a couple of games

Dylan played all over the midfield. We rotated the diamond constantly in games.

[Winston Ingram]

Very good point. Personally I think Stanton's position is as a box-to-box central midfielder. He was played on the wings and at #10 this season and wasn't involved in the games enough which suggests to me that it's unnatural for him to be that far up the park. He has all the technical attributes to be very effective with the game in front of him.

It could be but i think that's the problem with Stanton. I don't really think anyone is sure what his position is. When he played in a 2 when we went down our midfield looked vacant.

I would see him as an inverted right sided player.

[Liberal Hibby]

Handling and Stanton didn't have much impact last season, so I don't know why they would this season. We need to improve if we want automatic promotion.

How about they're a year older and stronger? Benefitted from more exposure to Stubbs' methods. Better diet and fitness regime? New tactics that play to their strengths? Increased confidence?

How does any sportsman improve? Hibs have been explicitly set up to be a footballing side to develop young talent. Stubbs may well think they are ready to be first team regulars unlike last season and can get them to perform consistently at their best.

[WeeRussell]

The kids were around last year and sorry, I think you are just kidding yourself if you think we have become stronger by losing first team players and suggesting the kids who have hardly, if ever, played a game are better.

I think we will get there but I think anyone saying that we are better off right now or even with just one or two new players are crazy.

Think this has developed into a debate over nothing really. Of course we are technically in a worse position right now - as if we were to start the season with no goalkeepers (for example) then that would be a disaster.

However - I think the general feeling is that we feel in a better position compared to this stage last year and that we have every confidence that the management team will have a squad, which is well prepared and full of the quality we need for the challenge ahead.

These straight comparisons between players coming in and players going out don't allow for the significant importance of a pre-season for those players who had previously come in with a, shall we say, lack of match practice/fitness. In addition, we've just completed our first season with the 'new way' of doing things around Easter Road and while it wasn't the most successful season in our history - it is generally accepted that we made good progress and are heading in the right direction. I have every faith in that progress continuing this season.

:flag:

[Winston Ingram]

Dylan played all over the midfield. We rotated the diamond constantly in games.

I don't recall him playing at all at the top once. Handling played there for 19 games and then Allan after that.

[Brightside]

Im saying the diamond rotated during the games. He was very often, wide, holding and tip during the games. Did Handling really start 19 games last season??

[The Leith Dutch]

Robertson ..........done ok but nothing great, went missing at important times


He certainly had some wobbles but I thought he did a lot of the work that lets others around him play.
I reckon Fyvie could do a similar job but Robertson may well be missed more that we think.

Also have to say he always looked like he cared about the result which is something we need a lot more of.

[J-C]

I don't recall him playing at all at the top once. Handling played there for 19 games and then Allan after that.


The diamond was inter changeable, Dylan played, left, right, deep and up top, as did Allan, Fyvie and Robertson, they never stuck to any one position and literally moved into the space created by the players moving around, this can work very well which it did but also creates problems when we need to be more rigid and defend better.

[J-C]

Im saying the diamond rotated during the games. He was very often, wide, holding and tip during the games. Did Handling really start 19 games last season??


Yes when Dylan was injured with his ankle, he was part of the team that went on that very good run around Xmas time.

[Steve20]

How about they're a year older and stronger? Benefitted from more exposure to Stubbs' methods. Better diet and fitness regime? New tactics that play to their strengths? Increased confidence?

How does any sportsman improve? Hibs have been explicitly set up to be a footballing side to develop young talent. Stubbs may well think they are ready to be first team regulars unlike last season and can get them to perform consistently at their best.

We can't afford to take a chance on them suddenly getting better when they haven't this far. We need to have a strong squad to take on Rangers, as they won't be as easy to beat to the title as some folk seem to think.

I think this is all about nothing really because i expect Stubbs will know we need to bring in a couple more midfielders and will do so.

[TheFamous1875]

It could be but i think that's the problem with Stanton. I don't really think anyone is sure what his position is. When he played in a 2 when we went down our midfield looked vacant.

I would see him as an inverted right sided player.

Possibly, aye. But what I will say about being in a two with Taiwo (who I also rated), in an unfit, unbalanced, under par squad, with Terry ****ing Butcher at the helm, is that an untried youngster with lots of potential and a terrier-like grafter surrounded by dross and managed by dross and following dross tactics such as "if they score first, it takes away the worry of the scoring first" is always going to look vacant!

Talent needs to be nourished and shown the right way by other talent - that's why I think Scott Martin will go on to do very, very well at Hibs where our other youngsters have not.

[The Leith Dutch]

However - I think the general feeling is that we feel in a better position compared to this stage last year

:agree:

If this was the 25th June last year:
This time last month we were relegated.
We sacked Butcher 2 weeks ago.
We appointed Alan Stubbs yesterday.

We still have to add to the team at the moment but I like how well we're prepared this 25th June a whole lot better :)

[Unseen work]

Shocked at how many people suddenly rate Craig, for the 2 seasons he was here he had constant abuse saying how bad he was, now he's left it's as if he was a important player.

Danny started a lot of games last season and played well in the majority of them, certainly no bad games from what I remember. He humiliated rangers when he played in the hole in the cup game at the start of the season. I would have no issues in him starting most games next season

[andrew70]

I think people are overlooking the way Stubbs likes to play football and thinking too much about specific positions. Robertson certainly sat deeper last year but no means was he a 'defensive midfielder' they attacked and defended as required throughout the game. They will all have specific jobs but the fluidity of the systems utilised by Stubbs allowed the players, especially in midfield, to express their ability on the football match.

Robertson mentioned to me that he didn't like sitting too deep at the sponsors evening however he followed it up by saying he loved the system because it allowed him to go forward when the team were playing well. So there is no worry for me by having no defensive midfielder as discussed.

The players all rotated in the centre of the park and if one went forward the other knew where he should be. This will only get better with a full pre-season and I would also add that we will see a couple of changes per game to keep the players happy, the squad fresh and the competition alive.

On the younger players who we will see a lot more of this season:

Callum Crane can play left back, sitting midfield, left wing back, left of a diamond. Will be an extremely vital player for us in years to come if he continues his development.

Scott Martin can play right of a diamond and he would do well as a sitting midfielder but he is a dynamic midfielder who when given the time and space can hurt anyone but will work hard to win the ball back when out of position.

[bill the hibby]

As much as people are saying Danny Handling never had a good game, there wasn't a game where he done anything that was notable, apart from that one display against the huns.

[Lago]

People this is a transfer thread, not a coaching manual. I was promised multiple anouncements this week but so far only 1. Anyone got an anouncement about more anouncements?:greengrin

[Mikey09]

Shocked at how many people suddenly rate Craig, for the 2 seasons he was here he had constant abuse saying how bad he was, now he's left it's as if he was a important player.

Danny started a lot of games last season and played well in the majority of them, certainly no bad games from what I remember. He humiliated rangers when he played in the hole in the cup game at the start of the season. I would have no issues in him starting most games next season


A lot of football fans are extremely fickle. Although I don't agree with the ones who said Craig was a poor player everyone is entitled to there opinion. You can respect that. However, it's the ones who, now he's gone, backtrack and try to be all nice about him where in some of there previous posts they were absolutely vile about him.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Does that mean Allan isn't intending on signing an extension?


"A friend of mine once said he liked his women like his parmesan: strong smelling and shaved"

[B.H.F.C]

Shocked at how many people suddenly rate Craig, for the 2 seasons he was here he had constant abuse saying how bad he was, now he's left it's as if he was a important player.

Danny started a lot of games last season and played well in the majority of them, certainly no bad games from what I remember. He humiliated rangers when he played in the hole in the cup game at the start of the season. I would have no issues in him starting most games next season

I don't think people are saying that Craig was a really important player. I think it's more to do with the fact that people aren't entirely comfortable with his place in the team being taken by someone he was keeping out the team. Same would go for Robertson and McGeough.

[Vault Boy]

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[Greencore]

15071

If he was that happy he would extend his deal?

[davym7062]

If he was that happy he would extend his deal?

think a lot will depend where we are in the league come January. no way he wants another season in the championship

[Bostonhibby]

Shocked at how many people suddenly rate Craig, for the 2 seasons he was here he had constant abuse saying how bad he was, now he's left it's as if he was a important player.

Danny started a lot of games last season and played well in the majority of them, certainly no bad games from what I remember. He humiliated rangers when he played in the hole in the cup game at the start of the season. I would have no issues in him starting most games next season

Liam Craig was a good player before he came to Hibs, the majority saw him as a good signing. I rated him before he joined us, I think he came to the club at the wrong time and regard him as another Butcher victim - he certainly conducted himself well off the pitch and whilst he didn't always perform on it as well as I'd hoped he often showed that he did care - I wish him all the best.

[Bostonhibby]

I'm happy enough for Allan to see out his contract and walk for free.
It's his contribution on the pitch I want, not his contribution to our balance sheet.

Yep, this is where I am, the balance sheet on this one doesn't worry me - he cost us nothing and I have been able to watch a guy in a Hibs jersey that takes me back to better times - delighted he has stuck to his word and it tells you all you need to know about the team formerly known as Glasgow rangers, the msm and the poppy thieves.

When its touch and go about making trips in the middle of winter coming up to see this boy play might tip the balance.

[jacomo]

People this is a transfer thread, not a coaching manual. I was promised multiple anouncements this week but so far only 1. Anyone got an anouncement about more anouncements?:greengrin

I can EXCLUSIVELY reveal that Hibs are looking to sign at least one goal keeper, probably two.

Can't reveal my source but watch this space. It will be announced at some point.

[brog]

[QUOTE=GreenDevil;4402945]Agreed - not bedwetting or panicking - but facts are...we are weaker in the middle.

That's not a fact, its only your opinion. You may be correct but it still doesn't make it a fact.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I can EXCLUSIVELY reveal that Hibs are looking to sign at least one goal keeper, probably two.

Can't reveal my source but watch this space. It will be announced at some point.


i'm hearing the same from my very reliable sources, might even be more signings...or maybe not...my sources say, they've never let me down in the past and i fully trust them

[brog]

You think we have a better squad now than when we ended the season? I disagree strongly.

That team also didn't get up. It wasn't just the season start. They also didn't win the play offs.

Yep, & the 3 midfielders you're concerned we haven't replaced adequately all played in the game we lost, albeit to an offside goal! And to clarify, I said when we sign our 2 keepers & assuming we get the CB & CM we're after then yes, we'll definitely have a better squad.
To put it another way, we'll have lost 1 player ( DM ) we wanted to keep but will have signed up to 8 players we wanted at the club & extended contracts on 3 others. Do you think AS will think we have a better squad?

[scoopyboy]

As much as people are saying Danny Handling never had a good game, there wasn't a game where he done anything that was notable, apart from that one display against the huns.

Not his greatest fan but I thought he was superb in the 6-3 game at Dumbarton.

Sublime through ball for Scott Allan to score his first goal for the club.

[Juice-Terry]

[QUOTE=GreenDevil;4402945]Agreed - not bedwetting or panicking - but facts are...we are weaker in the middle.


That's not a fact, its only your opinion. You may be correct but it still doesn't make it a fact.

Just out of curiosity, what makes a fact a fact?

[Andy74]

[/B]

Yep, & the 3 midfielders you're concerned we haven't replaced adequately all played in the game we lost, albeit to an offside goal! And to clarify, I said when we sign our 2 keepers & assuming we get the CB & CM we're after then yes, we'll definitely have a better squad.
To put it another way, we'll have lost 1 player ( DM ) we wanted to keep but will have signed up to 8 players we wanted at the club & extended contracts on 3 others. Do you think AS will think we have a better squad?

My point is we lost with those players in the squad.

Take them out and don't replace them and what do you think happens? We get stronger?

[leither17]

[QUOTE=brog;4403055]

Just out of curiosity, what makes a fact a fact?

This is like something out of QI

[Paloschi]

I think it’s fairly obvious we need 2 or maybe 3 midfielders. Especially if Stanton is being loaned out.


I am confident we will bring them in. If one of them is Holt then I will be very surprised if we do not bring in a defensive midfield player. Every team sort of needs one, it’s such an important position.

[hibees 7062]

Dylan signing for an SPL club

[TheFamous1875]

Dylan signing for an SPL club

Which one? Dons/Arabs/Dee/ICT/Saints/****?? He'd be a coup for any team; great player. I'm not gutted, to be honest; maybe there's a case of too many cooks with him, Allan and Fyvie all at the same time? I think we need a 'destroyer' type CDM, a Matic, or a Gary Deegan, et al.

[S4uzee]

Dylan signing for an SPL club
Very disappointing

[Billy Whizz]

Very disappointing

It is, but he's too injury prone for my liking

[flash]

Dylan signing for an SPL club

Would have taken him but Allan and Fyvie are our best central midfielders so with the right replacement the balance of the team could be better.

[Thecat23]

Dundee Utd and Dons were interested ages ago so be interesting to see if it's one of them!

[greenlex]

Very disappointing Injury prone loanee. He would be a decent squad player IMO nothing more. If he has gone elsewhere good luck to him. If he ends up at ER then great but I neither up nor down either way. I thought he might have been part of a deal seeing Scott Alan going the other way after Celtic invoked their years option on Dylan. Maybe not.

[andrew70]

Dundee Utd and Dons were interested ages ago so be interesting to see if it's one of them!

Wouldn't be surprised if Celtic have attempted to ease their path for Ciftci by giving United Dylan McGeouch.

I know Celtic have also been interested in John Souttar.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

Dylan signing for an SPL club

celtic?

[Thecat23]

Wouldn't be surprised if Celtic have attempted to ease their path for Ciftci by giving United Dylan McGeouch.

I know Celtic have also been interested in John Souttar.

Could well be then mate. We will soon find out!

[SaulGoodman]

Hertz

[erin go bragh]

Hertz

Too much of a footballer for them .


GGTTH

[Billychaotic182]

Hertz

If he did go there and we got holt would people be that gutted. Seems the opinon of Dylan's has went down since its been made clear he won't be back. He was an important player for us last year but now people just think he will be a squad player

[HibbyAndy]

If Dylan signs for they ****s i'l be using the 'cost us the semi final ' card against Falkirk at every oppurtunity :greengrin Cause let's be fair he did.

[green.and.white]

Not too disappointed if we don't sign McGeough, he is a good player but with Boyle, Fyvie and Fontaine signed up already, it would be better imo to get more fresh faces in, and not relying on the same players.

I dont want us to spend too much of our transfer and wage budgets on keeping too many of the same players we had last season. A new midfielder coming in instead of McGeough would be good for everyone in the team I think.

[3pm]

Bring back Dylan.

[bingo70]

Not really bothered about Mcgeoch. Thought he looked good at first but faded away and towards the end of the season I think he 9offered very little.

I know he's young but that seems to be the story of his career, did well at rangers young team and looked a prospect, went to Celtic abd did well at first but then struggled to make an impact, went on loan down south and struggled to make an impact, came to hibs and never really made much of an impact.

I think he's got ability but he seems to struggle to stay motivated.

[Juice-Terry]

Not really bothered about Mcgeoch. Thought he looked good at first but faded away and towards the end of the season I think he 9offered very little.

I know he's young but that seems to be the story of his career, did well at rangers young team and looked a prospect, went to Celtic abd did well at first but then struggled to make an impact, went on loan down south and struggled to make an impact, came to hibs and never really made much of an impact.

I think he's got ability but he seems to struggle to stay motivated.

Eh? Arguably our best player last season (before his injury anyway).

[bingo70]

Eh? Arguably our best player last season (before his injury anyway).

Disagree, Fontaine, Hanlon, Stevenson, Gray, Allan and Cummings were all ahead of him in the poty stakes.

He did well at first, so not making an impact was possibly the wrong phrase, not being able to sustain it is probably a better way to put it.

[Steve20]

Eh? Arguably our best player last season (before his injury anyway).

He was good and I'd be delighted if he came back. But Allan, Fontaine and Gray were all much better last season I would say

[HibbyAndy]

Eh? Arguably our best player last season (before his injury anyway).


No danger !



Disagree, Fontaine, Hanlon, Stevenson, Gray, Allan and Cummings were all ahead of him in the poty stakes.

He did well at first, so not making an impact was possibly the wrong phrase, not being able to sustain it is probably a better way to put it.


He was good and I'd be delighted if he came back. But Allan, Fontaine and Gray were all much better last season I would say


:agree:

I like DM but not a hope in hell he was anywhere NEAR one of our best players..I'm relaxed about him not coming back, He really wasn't that good.

[S4uzee]

Can't believe people aren't bothered if McGeouch returned or not. It's like people know he's not coming back so say they're not bothered but if he signed they'd be like great signing.
He is a very good player IMO

[Gmack7]

Can't believe people aren't bothered if McGeouch returned or not. It's like people know he's not coming back so say they're not bothered but if he signed they'd be like great signing.
He is a very good player IMO

i'd be gutted if he signs for them.

[Hibs History]

So what, if anything, is happening with holt, mccabe and halliday

[bingo70]

Can't believe people aren't bothered if McGeouch returned or not. It's like people know he's not coming back so say they're not bothered but if he signed they'd be like great signing.
He is a very good player IMO

Maybe my memory is skewed by his contribution at the end of the season but I'm genuinely not that bothered.

I'd say he's an attacking midfielder, what did he score? 2 or 3 maybe? I know Allan wasn't too hot in that department either but he created more.

I'm not saying Mcgeoch is a bad player, I'm just fairly meh about him staying.

Out of interest what was his injury? I don't remember it being a particularly bad one but a lot of people seem to be using that as an excuse for his lack of contribution at the end of the season.

[CmoantheHibs]

I think Dylan is a cracking player, who up until his injury was our main man as he was more consistent at that point than Scott. I do think he needed to play further up the field to best utilise his strengths as he tended to come deep to pick up the ball, but that may be because Scotty became the main man in midfield.I would like him to come back but feel we need a bit more of a physical presence if we only have 1 more coming in in midfield.

[essexhibee]

Very good player IMO whenever I have seen him. A loss for sure IMO. Unless Stubbs has a equal replacement lined up.