Brexit - what will happen next

[James310]

There are problems with every currency option for an independent Scotland, I get that. There will be hurdles to be overcome along the way. I would imagine that anyone approaching retirement age would have grave reservations about such uncertainties right now, as might those who are already retired

Why though? There is no risk according to some. It just magically lands in your bank account and it all happens behind the scenes and stuff like that, cash transactions and stuff, yadda yadda. It will all be fine. Nothing to worry about at all.

[lapsedhibee]

You don’t need manifestos and policies when “Brexit means Brexit” and you can make up what you want on the side of a bus.

The bus wasn't Fauxrage. It was Bojo and Govey.

[Fife-Hibee]

Why though? There is no risk according to some.

Indeed. According to people like yourself, there is no risk at all involved in remaining part of the UK. The GBP is some mystical currency immune to all political and economic turmoil.


It just magically lands in your bank account and it all happens behind the scenes and stuff like that

Good to see you're finally getting a grasp on it.

[James310]

Good to see you're finally getting a grasp on it.

Yes, the magic money fairy takes care of it all. 🧚

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190512/11636d7db64999d2d127b20e7d547523.jpg

This poll shows Labour in lead but needing the SNP.


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[Fife-Hibee]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190512/11636d7db64999d2d127b20e7d547523.jpg

This poll shows Labour in lead but needing the SNP.


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It shows them needing the libdems not the SNP.

[Ozyhibby]

It shows them needing the libdems not the SNP.

Lib Dem’s gives them a majority of three. No way that’s enough in these times.


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[Fife-Hibee]

Lib Dem’s gives them a majority of three. No way that’s enough in these times.


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I just can't see them entering a formal coalition with the SNP. They'll try and make it work with the Libs and will have the SDLP vote. They'll also have a green vote a couple of independents and possibly do a bit of pandering to PLC. They will try and avoid doing any deals with the SNP. They'll have no issues getting their more ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶e̶r̶v̶a̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ middle ground policies through parliament.

[JeMeSouviens]

Latest from Yougov in the Times - post local elections showing Libs and Greens picking up the remainer vote.

European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 34% (+4)
LAB: 16% (-5)
LDEM: 15% (+5)
GRN: 11% (+2)
CON: 10% (-3)
CHUK: 5% (-4)

via @YouGov
Chgs. w/ 30 Apr

[JeMeSouviens]

I just can't see them entering a formal coalition with the SNP. They'll try and make it work with the Libs and will have the SDLP vote. They'll also have a green vote a couple of independents and possibly do a bit of pandering to PLC. They will try and avoid doing any deals with the SNP. They'll have no issues getting their more ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶e̶r̶v̶a̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ middle ground policies through parliament.

There's no way the SNP would do a full coalition with anyone in Westminster in any circumstances. Can you imagine how much of a sellout SNP UK govt ministers would look like? It would be confidence & supply, ie. the type of deal the DUP has with the Tories.

[Fife-Hibee]

There's no way the SNP would do a full coalition with anyone in Westminster in any circumstances. Can you imagine how much of a sellout SNP UK govt ministers would look like? It would be confidence & supply, ie. the type of deal the DUP has with the Tories.

It won't happen. They're not going to require the SNP going by those figures. Even if they did have a policy that required backing from SNP MPs, they would rather see that policy fail to get through than offer the SNP any deals. Then they can blame the SNP for it.

They have plenty of previous for this.

[stoneyburn hibs]

That's Swindon been confirmed as closing down by Honda.
3500 jobs and not to forget the small businesses affected too.

Brutal.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/europe-must-fast-track-an-independent-scotland-back-into-fold-says-french-mp-1-4925754/amp?__twitter_impression=true

A warm welcome to the EU for an independent Scotland?


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[ronaldo7]

More in common with the French then. That'll do me.
#auldalliance

[Fife-Hibee]

The anti-EU rhetoric being spread over the comment section of SNP posts over social media is insane. At least 95% of the comments are spouting fictitious soundbites. Seems to be a carefully coordinated attack of around 500 different accounts on each post.

[Ozyhibby]

The anti-EU rhetoric being spread over the comment section of SNP posts over social media is insane. At least 95% of the comments are spouting fictitious soundbites. Seems to be a carefully coordinated attack of around 500 different accounts on each post.

Farage and his dark money are back on the scene. Cambridge analytica will have been replaced by another company doing the exact same stuff.


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[stokesmessiah]

The anti-EU rhetoric being spread over the comment section of SNP posts over social media is insane. At least 95% of the comments are spouting fictitious soundbites. Seems to be a carefully coordinated attack of around 500 different accounts on each post.

I have really noticed this as well. And when you click into the profiles, there is nothing really there. Suspect !

[Fife-Hibee]

I have really noticed this as well. And when you click into the profiles, there is nothing really there. Suspect !

Yep. Location and posts are generally hidden. They'll have some display pic of a union jack and a header depicting British war tanks, jets, ships and soldiers etc.

It stinks big time and as I say, it's all very coordinated.

[James310]

Yep. Location and posts are generally hidden. They'll have some display pic of a union jack and a header depicting British war tanks, jets, ships and soldiers etc.

It stinks big time and as I say, it's all very coordinated.

Mi5? Or they just anti Indy?

[Fife-Hibee]

Mi5? Or they just anti Indy?

I suppose we'll never really know. Which is the whole idea. The privacy level of their profiles are always set to maximum. Displaying no location or regular posts.

I'd be happy to post a list of them on here for people to check out and compare for themselves. But i'm sure that would be against the forum rules.

[Hibrandenburg]

Mi5? Or they just anti Indy?

Russia, China, and the USA to name a few, will all be competing with the EU in many areas and get up to mischief. It's also not entirely ridiculous to believe that MI5 might be doing their job of protecting the integrity of the UK by .....erm...well protecting the integrity of the UK.

[wpj]

Just saw the Brexit "party political" broadcast, what a pile of *****
Awful.

Just thought I would drag Brexit back into the Brexit thread

[James310]

Russia, China, and the USA to name a few, will all be competing with the EU in many areas and get up to mischief. It's also not entirely ridiculous to believe that MI5 might be doing their job of protecting the integrity of the UK by .....erm...well protecting the integrity of the UK.

So does that mean we potentially have some Russian or Chinese spies active on here, trying to stir up the Unionists with their Pro Indy chat, but ultimately their aim is the break up and destabilise of the UK....to be fair there are literally hundreds of suspects. I certainly suspect a few of having Russian or Chinese as their first language.

Right, back to chat with my Mi5 handler.

[Colr]

They used to say not to believe what you read in the papers.

Doubly true with the internet.

[Fife-Hibee]

They used to say not to believe what you read in the papers.

Doubly true with the internet.

At least with the internet you have the opportunity to see and read multiple view points. Something you can't do if you buy and read the same paper each and every day, or watch the same TV channels.

[Hibrandenburg]

So does that mean we potentially have some Russian or Chinese spies active on here, trying to stir up the Unionists with their Pro Indy chat, but ultimately their aim is the break up and destabilise of the UK....to be fair there are literally hundreds of suspects. I certainly suspect a few of having Russian or Chinese as their first language.

Right, back to chat with my Mi5 handler.

Potentially yes but I doubt Hibs Net is high on the share or retweet agenda. Mock all you want but it is a fact that intelligence agencies are using social media to manipulate public opinion and even democratic process. You just make yourself look naive suggesting otherwise.

[Fife-Hibee]

Potentially yes but I doubt Hibs Net is high on the share or retweet agenda. Mock all you want but it is a fact that intelligence agencies are using social media to manipulate public opinion and even democratic process. You just make yourself look naive suggesting otherwise.

:agree:

Not sure why it's so hard for some people to believe that they do this. It's no secret that they view independence as a threat to UK national security. They will use whatever tactics necessary to sway and control public opinion.

Far too easy to write it off as some wacky conspiracy theory, which makes it so effective.

[Jack Hackett]

Date set for next Withdrawal Bill Vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48275827

[Hibbyradge]

:agree:

Not sure why it's so hard for some people to believe that they do this. It's no secret that they view independence as a threat to UK national security. They will use whatever tactics necessary to sway and control public opinion.

Far too easy to write it off as some wacky conspiracy theory, which makes it so effective.

Only the true Messiah would say he wasn't the Messiah ...

[Fife-Hibee]

Only the true Messiah would say he wasn't the Messiah ...

Insightful.

[BroxburnHibee]

Date set for next Withdrawal Bill Vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48275827

Groundhog day

[Hibbyradge]

Insightful.

Whoosh

[Ozyhibby]

Scottish Tories want Westminster to keep powers and money due to come to Scotland after brexit. They really don’t like themselves.[emoji35]
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/ruth-davidson-calls-for-post-brexit-union-unit-in-whitehall-1-4927221/amp?__twitter_impression=true


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[Fife-Hibee]

Scottish Tories want Westminster to keep powers and money due to come to Scotland after brexit. They really don’t like themselves.[emoji35]
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/ruth-davidson-calls-for-post-brexit-union-unit-in-whitehall-1-4927221/amp?__twitter_impression=true


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They've already been doing this. They just want to ramp it up even more.

[SHODAN]

Date set for next Withdrawal Bill Vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48275827

I don't really undersand what that's meant to achieve.

[Callum_62]

I don't really undersand what that's meant to achieve.

Presumably there will be an attachment to it like a Peoples vote or CU


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[Bristolhibby]

So does that mean we potentially have some Russian or Chinese spies active on here, trying to stir up the Unionists with their Pro Indy chat, but ultimately their aim is the break up and destabilise of the UK....to be fair there are literally hundreds of suspects. I certainly suspect a few of having Russian or Chinese as their first language.

Right, back to chat with my Mi5 handler.

Equally with the shady Cambridge Analytica Russian / Chinese manipulation, I would expect Indy 2 to romp home.

(Especially if it their perception to destabilise NATO).

No reason why that will be the case, but you’ve got to imagine that Indy will take up much of the rUK legislative time and effort.

J

[Moulin Yarns]

The party fighting the EU elections without a manifesto launch their campaign today


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48281678


Why bother putting up candidates?

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190515/9ce69abdb68fab626b932712b7e26d17.jpg
Made me smile.[emoji23]


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[SHODAN]

I got a fun leaflet through the door yesterday which used the word "independence" ~20 times and the word "Brexit" once. Not sure who it was from though.

[Moulin Yarns]

A bunch of leaflets through the door today.

UKIP - If you want to leave the EU vote UKIP

Labour-Stop 'no deal' Brexit, invest in Scotland's economy, invest in Scotland's public services

SNP - Work to stop Brexit, back a people's vote, revoke article 50, a choice of a future as an independent European nation.

Scottish Green - stop Brexit, tackle climate change, freedom of movement

Ruth Davidson - make Nicola Sturgeon listen, no more referendums, a Brexit that works for Scotland


So there you have it, European elections are apparently not all about Europe if you believe Labour and the Ruth Davidson fan club.

[Mr Grieves]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48290760

May to resign if (when) she loses the next brexit vote in June. Then brexit, and the interests of the UK, will take a backseat for over 3 months while the tories decide who their new leader is.

And what for? Is a new prime minister going to galvanise the tory party and give them the numbers in Parliament to get a deal through, or will they allow no deal to happen?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48290760

May to resign if (when) she loses the next brexit vote in June. Then brexit, and the interests of the UK, will take a backseat for over 3 months while the tories decide who their new leader is.

And what for? Is a new prime minister going to galvanise the tory party and give them the numbers in Parliament to get a deal through, or will they allow no deal to happen?

I don’t see how the numbers in Parliament change? I don’t think that MP’s are specifically voting because they hate May.


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[jonty]

boris ****ing Johnston. the disaster that he is, Corbyn is still no match for him.

[Ozyhibby]

boris ****ing Johnston. the disaster that he is, Corbyn is still no match for him.

It’s amazing. Power is sitting waiting on the Labour Party so long as it gets rid of Corbyn but they won’t do it. Someone like Cooper could win them a huge majority.
Instead it’s the tories who will switch leader and it should be enough to see them win the next election.


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[Fife-Hibee]

The Conservative leaftlet must mention Scottish "referendums" at least 20 times over the 4 pages. Very odd for a European election, but no doubt the most effective strategy. Considering the number of sheer simpletons that make up the electorate.

[Hibbyradge]

Considering the number of sheer simpletons that make up the electorate.

I've bookmarked that, and taken a screenshot..

[Bangkok Hibby]

The Conservative leaftlet must mention Scottish "referendums" at least 20 times over the 4 pages. Very odd for a European election, but no doubt the most effective strategy. Considering the number of sheer simpletons that make up the electorate.

This can't be stressed enough. Vast swathes of the electorate are utter morons.

[Moulin Yarns]

The Conservative leaftlet must mention Scottish "referendums" at least 20 times over the 4 pages. Very odd for a European election, but no doubt the most effective strategy. Considering the number of sheer simpletons that make up the electorate.

It might well be a strategy that works in picking up the anti independence vote

[Smartie]

[/B]This can't be stressed enough. Vast swathes of the electorate are utter morons.

That's democracy for you though.

In spite of it's obvious failings, it's still the best, fairest and most effective way we have.

[Moulin Yarns]

Talks between May and Corbyn end in stalemate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48304867

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

The Conservative leaftlet must mention Scottish "referendums" at least 20 times over the 4 pages. Very odd for a European election, but no doubt the most effective strategy. Considering the number of sheer simpletons that make up the electorate.


What side of the simpleton line are you on and why?

[Moulin Yarns]

Danish politician advertising on porn sites

Laura Kuenssberg and Katya Adler lose it on air

https://twitter.com/BBCSounds/status/1129329669646540800?s=19

Vote for me after you finish

[Callum_62]

Talks between May and Corbyn end in stalemate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48304867

Couldnt really continue to with her imminent departure


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[Fife-Hibee]

What side of the simpleton line are you on and why?

I'm on the side of FREEDOM! and saltire face paintings, clearly. :cool2:

[GlesgaeHibby]

It’s amazing. Power is sitting waiting on the Labour Party so long as it gets rid of Corbyn but they won’t do it. Someone like Cooper could win them a huge majority.
Instead it’s the tories who will switch leader and it should be enough to see them win the next election.


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Nonsense- Corbyn is a master tactician and playing the long game here ;)

[Moulin Yarns]

Nonsense- Corbyn is a master tactician and playing the long game here ;)

Does the long game include giving the tories a free shot at another term of government?

[Ozyhibby]

Does the long game include giving the tories a free shot at another term of government?

Looks very like it.


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[Callum_62]

Your forgetting though that all we care about is divisive nationalistic rhetoric while labour is focused on making a fair eutopia for all

The current polling is purely part of there grand plan for british domination that will wipe out all the minor parties like snp.


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[Fife-Hibee]

Your forgetting though that all we care about is divisive nationalistic rhetoric while labour is focused on making a fair eutopia for all

The current polling is purely part of there grand plan for british domination that will wipe out all the minor parties like snp.


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Well I for one welcome our communist overlords, comrade.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Does the long game include giving the tories a free shot at another term of government?

Ask Tornadoes...he knows.

[The Modfather]

Your forgetting though that all we care about is divisive nationalistic rhetoric while labour is focused on making a fair eutopia for all

The current polling is purely part of there grand plan for british domination that will wipe out all the minor parties like snp.


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Yes, but show us your political academia before we can judge whether you meet the criteria to post about politics on a football sub forum 😀

[makaveli1875]

[/B]This can't be stressed enough. Vast swathes of the electorate are utter morons.

Im sure a recent poll revealed 52% of the electorate are utter morons and 48% are total imbeciles

[SHODAN]

Heading for a no deal Brexit then. Joy.

I'm sure now is still not the time though.

[stokesmessiah]

Heading for a no deal Brexit then. Joy.

I'm sure now is still not the time though.

It is beginning to feel like that now...

[BroxburnHibee]

Talks between May and Corbyn end in stalemate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48304867

Another few weeks wasted.

Think she just wanted to be PM longer than Gordon Brown.

Shes a ******* imbecile

[Pretty Boy]

Talks between May and Corbyn end in stalemate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48304867

I'm surprised at this.

Not because I ever thought they would reach agreement but the talks were so obviously aimed at apportioning blame that I assumed they would drag on until someone blinked and walked away.

I struggle to see how walking away with a stalemate helps either side. Then again the leadership of Labour and the Tories has been so clueless throughout the whole process this really shouldn't be a shock at all.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Does the long game include giving the tories a free shot at another term of government?

Probably. The guy is utterly hopeless.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Give the two leaders of the biggest parties a decision to make and the decision is no decision.

[lapsedhibee]

Just looking for crumbs of comfort in the current bleak political landscape...

Somewhere in the region of half the UK voting population really want to leave the EU.

About a third of people are going to vote for Fauxrage, whose only policy is to leave the EU, at the next available opportunity.

Does this mean that one third of Leave voters aren't taken in at all by him? If so, that's a wee sign of hope as he appears (judging by much MSM coverage) to sweep all before him.

[Fife-Hibee]

About a third of people are going to vote for Fauxrage, whose only policy is to leave the EU, at the next available opportunity.

Come on now, that's not true.





He also supports having the NHS scrapped and replaced with an insurance based healthcare system.

[heretoday]

Just looking for crumbs of comfort in the current bleak political landscape...

Somewhere in the region of half the UK voting population really want to leave the EU.

About a third of people are going to vote for Fauxrage, whose only policy is to leave the EU, at the next available opportunity.

Does this mean that one third of Leave voters aren't taken in at all by him? If so, that's a wee sign of hope as he appears (judging by much MSM coverage) to sweep all before him.

What Farage said is true to the extent that a large number of folk in Scotland voted to leave the EU although the impression in the UK media is that Scots are solidly remain. Also there is currently no prominent voice in Holyrood for those pro-leavers.

[James310]

What Farage said is true to the extent that a large number of folk in Scotland voted to leave the EU although the impression in the UK media is that Scots are solidly remain. Also there is currently no prominent voice in Holyrood for those pro-leavers.

Farage was wooing the 36% of SNP voters that also voted to Leave the EU last night.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/17/nigel-farage-attacks-snps-claims-about-post-brexit-scotland

[Ozyhibby]

Farage was wooing the 36% of SNP voters that also voted to Leave the EU last night.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/17/nigel-farage-attacks-snps-claims-about-post-brexit-scotland

I’m certain the SNP have nothing to worry about. The only votes Farage will be taking will be from other unionist parties.
In a first past the post Westminster election, Farage is going to be a real boost for the SNP.


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[ronaldo7]

I’m certain the SNP have nothing to worry about. The only votes Farage will be taking will be from other unionist parties.
In a first past the post Westminster election, Farage is going to be a real boost for the SNP.


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He did have 400 folk at his rally last night, you could probably fit the tory and Lib dem conference numbers in there somewhere.

[Fife-Hibee]

Is David Mundell's mask slipping here? :hmmm:

https://i.ibb.co/ZYJCFzQ/davidmundell.png

[SHODAN]

We're heading for a no deal Brexit. Johnson will come in and run down the clock. You can see it from miles off. We're ****ed.

[Fife-Hibee]

We're heading for a no deal Brexit. Johnson will come in and run down the clock. You can see it from miles off. We're ****ed.

Not "we're". "Them". "We" have a way out.

[Ozyhibby]

We're heading for a no deal Brexit. Johnson will come in and run down the clock. You can see it from miles off. We're ****ed.

Labour would table a vote of no confidence if he was looking like doing that and there would have to be a general election.


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[jonty]

Not "we're". "Them". "We" have a way out.

That's not likely to happen before Boris gets and ****s things up even further.
It could be our only hope is the May stays on until Brexit is done. and keeps kicking the can down the road (about the only thing she and Corbyn are good at, at the moment)

[Fife-Hibee]

Labour would table a vote of no confidence if he was looking like doing that and there would have to be a general election.


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Not one Conservative MP would vote down a Boris Johnson Government for a Jeremy Corbyn one. We would need everybody else including the DUP to vote his Government down and there would be no chance of that considering his hard line on brexit.

[Ozyhibby]

Not one Conservative MP would vote down a Boris Johnson Government for a Jeremy Corbyn one. We would need everybody else including the DUP to vote his Government down and there would be no chance of that considering his hard line on brexit.

If he was taking us to a no deal brexit there are a few who would.


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[Fife-Hibee]

If he was taking us to a no deal brexit there are a few who would.


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There are also a few Labour MPs who wouldn't....

[SHODAN]

Not "we're". "Them". "We" have a way out.

"Now is not the time" until there is no longer even the remotest chance of Yes winning, and there is a big enough "union-at-all-costs" core (who will happily watch Johnson, Gove and Davidson systematically dismantle devoluton so long as we don't get that dreaded independence) to ensure that strategy works indefinitely.


Labour would table a vote of no confidence if he was looking like doing that and there would have to be a general election.


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Would they though, and would it pass?

[lapsedhibee]

Is David Mundell's mask slipping here? :hmmm:

https://i.ibb.co/ZYJCFzQ/davidmundell.png

Tories still banging on about the EU being undemocratic as they prepare to announce the new Prime Minister of the UK, population 60 million, wheeched in by their party members, fewer than 100,000.

[lapsedhibee]

Come on now, that's not true.

He also supports having the NHS scrapped and replaced with an insurance based healthcare system.

Ridiculous, ludicrous statements. How can you possibly accuse him of holding those views when he hasn't confirmed either within the last ten minutes? You must be The Enemy.

[Fife-Hibee]

Ridiculous, ludicrous statements. How can you possibly accuse him of holding those views when he hasn't confirmed either within the last ten minutes? You must be The Enemy.

I believe public services urny so bad.

Under the current political demographic, this makes me more Marxist than Marx. :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

What will happen next, with any luck, is that Brexit Party funding, and Arron Banks from the last time round, will be found to have some intimate connection with Russia. What Gordon Brown is suggesting about the anonymous donation aspect of Farage's "business" may turn out to be bollocks, but it is a bit suspicious that Farage doesn't seem to have that much interest in politics other than, firstly, undermining the EU and then, as an afterthought, undermining the British parliament. It would make quite a lot of sense if it turns out he was in it for the money, and money alone, and that money came ultimately from somewhere that had an interest in upsetting Europe.

[JeMeSouviens]

What will happen next, with any luck, is that Brexit Party funding, and Arron Banks from the last time round, will be found to have some intimate connection with Russia. What Gordon Brown is suggesting about the anonymous donation aspect of Farage's "business" may turn out to be bollocks, but it is a bit suspicious that Farage doesn't seem to have that much interest in politics other than, firstly, undermining the EU and then, as an afterthought, undermining the British parliament. It would make quite a lot of sense if it turns out he was in it for the money, and money alone, and that money came ultimately from somewhere that had an interest in upsetting Europe.

There was an old picture that resurfaced of him the other week bag carrying for one of the leaders of the old National Front. I think he's always been in it for reasons of nasty racism, the snout in the trough is just a happy by-product. :rolleyes:

Edit: apparently it's disputed whether it is actually Farage in the photo or not.

[lapsedhibee]

There was an old picture that resurfaced of him the other week bag carrying for one of the leaders of the old National Front. I think he's always been in it for reasons of nasty racism, the snout in the trough is just a happy by-product. :rolleyes:

Edit: apparently it's disputed whether it is actually Farage in the photo or not.

Ridiculous, ludicrous of you to bring up something that happened prior to this week. You too are The Enemy. It's why Nigel won't do manifestos - by the time they're printed they're already out of date. He's too dynamic, up-to-the-minute, hell, happening for that sort of stuff.

I'm not convinced he's a nasty racist. Perhaps he's just very skilled at rabble-rousing nasty racists (along with many others who are neither nasty nor racist).

[Mibbes Aye]

Ridiculous, ludicrous of you to bring up something that happened prior to this week. You too are The Enemy. It's why Nigel won't do manifestos - by the time they're printed they're already out of date. He's too dynamic, up-to-the-minute, hell, happening for that sort of stuff.

I'm not convinced he's a nasty racist. Perhaps he's just very skilled at rabble-rousing nasty racists (along with many others who are neither nasty nor racist).

:-)

[Fife-Hibee]

There was an old picture that resurfaced of him the other week bag carrying for one of the leaders of the old National Front. I think he's always been in it for reasons of nasty racism, the snout in the trough is just a happy by-product. :rolleyes:

Edit: apparently it's disputed whether it is actually Farage in the photo or not.

I believe you're referring to this image of Martin Webster leaving Kingston Crown Court in 1979.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6eZBqyXsAIqv0c.jpg:large

The man standing next to him with the hat looks strikingly familiar to a young Nigel Farage. But it's believed to actually be the guy on the left in this image (Richard Verrall), who was apparently a good friend of Nick Griffin?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6meBh-XkAYaeqt.jpg:large

It's Verrall and Wesbster in both images. Richard Verrall was an editor for the magazine "spearhead" which served as a far-right mouthpiece for the National Front in the 80's. He is also a holocaust denier and released a pamphlet titled "Did Six Million Really Die?". A very nasty piece of work.

[JeMeSouviens]

I believe you're referring to this image of Martin Webster leaving Kingston Crown Court in 1979.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6eZBqyXsAIqv0c.jpg:large

The man standing next to him with the hat looks strikingly familiar to a young Nigel Farage. But it's believed to actually be the guy on the left in this image (Richard Verrall), who was apparently a good friend of Nick Griffin?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6meBh-XkAYaeqt.jpg:large

Yes, that's it. Ok, so probs not Nige.

[JeMeSouviens]

Nige got milkshaked today:


Sadly some remainers have become radicalised, to the extent that normal campaigning is becoming impossible.

Says the man from the side that murdered an MP.

[Fife-Hibee]

Nige got milkshaked today:



Says the man from the side that murdered an MP.

So lactose and intolerance go together in more ways than one. Who knew. :wink:

[lapsedhibee]

Nige got milkshaked today:

Says the man from the side that murdered an MP.

"Radicalised"? Isn't that something that happens to Islamic terrorists? Nige needs to be careful that he doesn't blur the distinction between people who disagree with him and terrorists. It would never do if his followers got all muddled up trying to make sense of two completely separate things.

[James310]

It was not a cheap one as well.

"Paul Crowther, 32, from Throckley, Newcastle, said it was a £5.25 Five Guys banana and salted caramel milkshake"

Stolen from Twitter.

Siri, write a joke about Nigel Farage, five guys and being covered in a white liquid.

[Pretty Boy]

Michael Heseltine loses the Tory whip for stating he will vote for the Lib Dems on Thursday.

[makaveli1875]

"Radicalised"? Isn't that something that happens to Islamic terrorists? Nige needs to be careful that he doesn't blur the distinction between people who disagree with him and terrorists. It would never do if his followers got all muddled up trying to make sense of two completely separate things.

Are you suggesting that it's OK to toss milkshakes, eggs or any other objects at people you disagree with?

[Fife-Hibee]

Are you suggesting that it's OK to toss milkshakes, eggs or any other objects at people you disagree with?

It's not ok. But it happens anyway.

Interesting to see the reaction from Nigel Farage and his band of fascists who are constantly referring to others as "snowflakes".

[makaveli1875]

It's not ok. But it happens anyway.

Interesting to see the reaction from Nigel Farage and his band of fascists who are constantly referring to others as "snowflakes".

How would you react if i tossed a milkshake all over you

[Fife-Hibee]

How would you react if i tossed a milkshake all over you

Depends on the flavour. :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Are you suggesting that it's OK to toss milkshakes, eggs or any other objects at people you disagree with?

One idiot chucked milkshake. Fauxrage talked about 'radicalised remainers', no doubt hoping to tar everyone who disagrees with him as an extremist. Before he recently reinvented himself, without the pint and country jacket, he would just have said the idiot was s c u m.

As for things that it's ok to hurl at him, fairly mild insults are ok if they're done with a bit of humour imo.

[Hibbyradge]

Are you suggesting that it's OK to toss milkshakes, eggs or any other objects at people you disagree with?

I don't see the connection between what LH said and your question. :confused:

He's criticising Farage for deliberately trying to get his brain dead supporters to conflate Islamic terrorism and anti-Brexit/anti-Farage protesters

[JeMeSouviens]

Are you suggesting that it's OK to toss milkshakes, eggs or any other objects at people you disagree with?

Are you suggesting that throwing milkshakes is as bad as shooting someone? :confused:

[lapsedhibee]

I don't see the connection between what LH said and your question. :confused:

He's criticising Farage for deliberately trying to get his brain dead supporters to conflate Islamic terrorism and anti-Brexit/anti-Farage protesters

Goodish long article in The Gruniad today https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/the-long-read throwing light on why Farage told Andrew Marr he didn't want to be PM. He basically wants to do away with representative democracy (and hence Parliament) altogether, and replace it with direct democracy, which as far as I understand it entails that he runs the country and every so often people get to 'like' this arrangement on Facebook so that it continues.

[SHODAN]

New bill has second referendum vote attached. But you have to vote for the bill first before the vote for the referendum.

[Ozyhibby]

MP’s to vote on a 2nd referendum. It’s now or never for remainers.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Goodish long article in The Gruniad today https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/the-long-read throwing light on why Farage told Andrew Marr he didn't want to be PM. He basically wants to do away with representative democracy (and hence Parliament) altogether, and replace it with direct democracy, which as far as I understand it entails that he runs the country and every so often people get to 'like' this arrangement on Facebook so that it continues.

His new "party" has no members other than him. You can only sign up to be a "registered supporter" and you'll get absolutely no say.

[JeMeSouviens]

New bill has second referendum vote attached. But you have to vote for the bill first before the vote for the referendum.

Which the Tories will just whip against, job done. Nobody is falling for this pish.

[JeMeSouviens]

May - “if MPs vote against the Bill, they will be voting to stop Brexit.”

So why vote for it in the hope of a 2nd ref?

[SHODAN]

Which the Tories will just whip against, job done. Nobody is falling for this pish.

Yup. Only way they can get it through is an amendment beforehand which binds the vote to a second referendum, which will never pass.

[JeMeSouviens]

May pledges to make commitment in law to find alternative arrangements for the Irish border by Dec 2020. Anybody who's seriously looked at it says they'll be struggling to get something by Dec 2030.

Once again, does she think even the ERG are stupid enough to buy this? :rolleyes:

[Smartie]

Are you suggesting that throwing milkshakes is as bad as shooting someone? :confused:

Whilst I don't think throwing a milkshake is as bad as shooting someone, I do think that both are on the wrong side of the line of acceptable behaviour.

I detest Farage, but I don't want to live in a country where violence (even of the mild or comical variety) against a politician is remotely acceptable.

[JeMeSouviens]

Whilst I don't think throwing a milkshake is as bad as shooting someone, I do think that both are on the wrong side of the line of acceptable behaviour.

I detest Farage, but I don't want to live in a country where violence (even of the mild or comical variety) against a politician is remotely acceptable.

Well so do I, but in a hierarchy of badness they don't come particularly close together.

[Ozyhibby]

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[GlesgaeHibby]

May making promises on behalf of the next PM...?!

Tories will get destroyed in Euro elections - she'll be gone on Monday once the horror of how badly they've done is confirmed.

[Kato]

Whilst I don't think throwing a milkshake is as bad as shooting someone, I do think that both are on the wrong side of the line of acceptable behaviour.

I detest Farage, but I don't want to live in a country where violence (even of the mild or comical variety) against a politician is remotely acceptable.

It's debatable as to whether Farage is a politician or something else entirely.

[Ozyhibby]

Looks like May’s deal is going to bomb even more than the last one.
Leaves only 2nd ref, GE or ‘no deal’ although I’m certain Parliament won’t allow no deal.
If a brexiteer takes over from May then 2nd ref is unlikely so GE is all that’s left. And who know how that goes.


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[lapsedhibee]

May pledges to make commitment in law to find alternative arrangements for the Irish border by Dec 2020. Anybody who's seriously looked at it says they'll be struggling to get something by Dec 2030.

Once again, does she think even the ERG are stupid enough to buy this? :rolleyes:
The ERG still view The Brady Bunch Amendment as a tragically missed opportunity, and think the whole so-called problem of the Irish border is an EU ruse, so yes they are stupid enough.

[Glory Lurker]

What a pile of spaghetti from May, with a generous portion of intelligence-insulting on top.

I think the opinion polls mean there’s little chance of a GE being called (i’m sure even Corbyn doesn’t want one now).

[Jack Hackett]

What a pile of spaghetti from May, with a generous portion of intelligence-insulting on top.

I think the opinion polls mean there’s little chance of a GE being called (i’m sure even Corbyn doesn’t want one now).

Can't see Boris giving up his throne after a few weeks either

[grunt]

Leaves only 2nd ref, GE or ‘no deal’ although I’m certain Parliament won’t allow no deal.

or revoke.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm thinking that since Farage is currently in love with Five Star in Italy, a name for one of his fanatical devotees might be a bit Italian-sounding, something like Farageisto. Or this here might be a Farageista:

https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1130940872445579264

[SHODAN]

I'm not sure this whole "parliament won't allow no deal" thing will keep up - the Brexit Party's platform is no deal and with ~30% of the vote on Thursday that represents most leavers (who apparently are the only members of the public given a say on this). That pressure could at the very least lead to it being included on a ballot paper on a referendum.

I know it'd be economic suicide but guess what, so was the original vote and we ****ing got that anyway.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm not sure this whole "parliament won't allow no deal" thing will keep up - the Brexit Party's platform is no deal and with ~30% of the vote on Thursday that represents most leavers (who apparently are the only members of the public given a say on this). That pressure could at the very least lead to it being included on a ballot paper on a referendum.

I know it'd be economic suicide but guess what, so was the original vote and we ****ing got that anyway.

I'm not sure I get the maths of that.
1/3 vote for No Deal
2/3 vote for Not No Deal
Therefore the pressure is for No Deal? :dunno:

Farage relentlessly chuntering that the BP winning most MEP seats = conclusive proof that the country wants No Deal won't convince a majority of MPs imo.

[SHODAN]

I'm not sure I get the maths of that.
1/3 vote for No Deal
2/3 vote for Not No Deal
Therefore the pressure is for No Deal? :dunno:

Farage relentlessly chuntering that the BP winning most MEP seats = conclusive proof that the country wants No Deal won't convince a majority of MPs imo.

Aye but this is winner-takes all politics thanks to our archaic FPTP mindset, and as far as a number of people are concerned this is how the "will of the people" is decided:
52% vote leave, 48% vote remain - 48% discarded. 52% hold all power.
Approx 60% of the remaining 52% vote for no deal - 40% discarded. 60% of 52% becomes new "will of the people".

It's ridiculous but people actually think this way. A bunch of right-wing fanatical Tory party members will decide our new PM next month so it's not like there isn't already a precedent.

[lapsedhibee]

Aye but this is winner-takes all politics thanks to our archaic FPTP mindset, and as far as a number of people are concerned this is how the "will of the people" is decided:
52% vote leave, 48% vote remain - 48% discarded. 52% hold all power.
Approx 60% of the remaining 52% vote for no deal - 40% discarded. 60% of 52% becomes new "will of the people".

It's ridiculous but people actually think this way. A bunch of right-wing fanatical Tory party members will decide our new PM next month so it's not like there isn't already a precedent.

We'll see but I think there'll be enough MPs who won't fall for the second-generation discarding-maths that you describe. The archaic FPTP system still (currently) requires that a winning (ie governing on behalf of the people) party gets a majority of the seats available. BP is on course for 'only' 28 out of 70 seats tomorrow. Not a mandate at all.

[JeMeSouviens]

We'll see but I think there'll be enough MPs who won't fall for the second-generation discarding-maths that you describe. The archaic FPTP system still (currently) requires that a winning (ie governing on behalf of the people) party gets a majority of the seats available. BP is on course for 'only' 28 out of 70 seats tomorrow. Not a mandate at all.

The BP exists to force the Tory position to hard brexit.

Our next PM is about to be elected by about 100 thousand foaming at the mouth Brexit ultras, aka the Tory membership. The only way to get elected will be to promise to get tough with Brussels and then promise that if that fails (spoiler - it will) go for No Deal.

I don't think they'll get that past the current parliament so logically it has to lead to a general election ... but these days wtf has logic got to do with it? So who knows?

[Ozyhibby]

I can’t see past GE whatever way it plays out. There just isn’t the numbers in Parliament for any solution. And it’s not clear that a GE will change that either. Now I can’t see past a 2nd ref.[emoji3]


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[JeMeSouviens]

Tories seemingly lining up to sort of not quite tell May to sling her hook. They really seem to be out of practice at the knifing the leader bit. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

May going tonight is being rumoured now.


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[Moulin Yarns]

May going tonight is being rumoured now.


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Hang on until Monday more likely and blame the EU elections.

[JeMeSouviens]

May now refusing to see any of her own ministers. :faf:

La, la, la, I'm not listening ... :na na:

[ronaldo7]

Tories seemingly lining up to sort of not quite tell May to sling her hook. They really seem to be out of practice at the knifing the leader bit. :rolleyes:

They're using a pizza slicer these days. 🍕

Not as effective as the normal machete

[JimBHibees]

Actually incredible she hasnt resigned before now.

[Ozyhibby]

Actually incredible she hasnt resigned before now.

You have to wonder what is going through her head? How does she think she turns this around? It’s actually quite amazing.


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[Moulin Yarns]

You have to wonder what is going through her head? How does she think she turns this around? It’s actually quite amazing.


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Football managers have been sacked for less.

[JeMeSouviens]

Iain Duncan Smith: “The sofa is up against the door, she’s not leaving”.

:greengrin

[weecounty hibby]

Without a shadow of doubt the worst PM in history. Not just the failure of her govt to get anything done, and I mean anything, due to the constant focus on Brexit, her refusal to accept that she might be wrong is mind-blowing. Inept and deluded don't even begin to describe her

[Bangkok Hibby]

I despise Tories and all they stand for, especially Tory women politicians. Thatcher, Bottomley, Widdecombe, Gorman, McVey etc. May is right up there. An unpopular PM and an even more unpopular Home secretary. Good riddance.

[Hibrandenburg]

I despise Tories and all they stand for, especially Tory women politicians. Thatcher, Bottomley, Widdecombe, Gorman, McVey etc. May is right up there. An unpopular PM and an even more unpopular Home secretary. Good riddance.

Leadsom? :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

22010



Brexiteers have to vote on friday now instead of tomorrow :agree:

[Bangkok Hibby]

Leadsom? :greengrin


Nice legs 😀

[Hiber-nation]

Leadsom? :greengrin

Resigned!

[cabbageandribs1875]

shame leadsom has resigned, she was one of only two tories i can listen to, she didn't feel the need to yell at other members and at least showed some respect, although a sly dig at the SNP the other week had me disliking her for a couple of minutes :) don't mind ken clarke either

[Ozyhibby]

shame leadsom has resigned, she was one of only two tories i can listen to, she didn't feel the need to yell at other members and at least showed some respect, although a sly dig at the SNP the other week had me disliking her for a couple of minutes :) don't mind ken clarke either

It’s pretty fatal for May because she now can’t present her withdrawal agreement unless she appoint a new leader of the house and I doubt she is strong enough to do that.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

It’s pretty fatal for May because she now can’t present her withdrawal agreement unless she appoint a new leader of the house and I doubt she is strong enough to do that.


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she will find someone,i'm waiting on Bet365 giving odds, who's your pick ?


off topic, just noticed odds on the Brexit party gaining most UK seats... 1/50 :shocked:

[lord bunberry]

I can’t see a way of avoiding no deal anymore. I doubt the EU will grant another extension and I doubt the commons will reach an agreement, add to that we’re likely to see a hard line brexiteer in number 10.

[Moulin Yarns]

Now rumours that the withdrawal agreement may not now be brought back before parliament as she realised that hell hasn't frozen over.

[Pretty Boy]

It's utterly mental that we are facing one of the most historically important periods in UK history without a functioning government.

If May goes there is no quick resolution, if she stays then that remains the case. It's a parliamentary impasse as much as it is a Tory one. The only potential resolution to that is a GE and a further extension and that doesn't suit a new Tory leader nor does it suit the opposition who still seem without a solid policy on Brexit themselves.

[Fife-Hibee]

It's funny isn't it.....

Almost as if....

NO DEAL was the plan the entire time.

[Ozyhibby]

I think parliament would revoke before they went for no deal.


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[Fife-Hibee]

I think parliament would revoke before they went for no deal.


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After all of their "respecting the will of the people" chat?

One way or the other, there's going to be riots.

[lord bunberry]

I think parliament would revoke before they went for no deal.


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No chance. I can possibly see us going back to the Canada style deal that we were offered at the beginning, but that would still require a majority that doesn’t exist, but it could be a compromise to avoid no deal.

[makaveli1875]

Iain Duncan Smith: “The sofa is up against the door, she’s not leaving”.

:greengrin

Did he actually say that :greengrin

[Colr]

Iain Duncan Smith: “The sofa is up against the door, she’s not leaving”.

:greengrin

He must be pleased that, at long last, we have a Tory leader who was is even more of a dud than he was!!

[Hibbyradge]

It's funny isn't it.....

Almost as if....

NO DEAL was the plan the entire time.

You think any of this was planned?

[Fife-Hibee]

You think any of this was planned?

Yes. I believe they've all played their parts very well.

Make "no deal" look like an accident and blame it on the EU.

[Hibbyradge]

Yes. I believe they've all played their parts very well.

Make "no deal" look like an accident and blame it on the EU.

It's incredible that you credit them with such sophistication, such brilliant vision and, almost unearthly intelligence.

Mind you, it's only the "sheer simpletons" in the electorate that they have to fool. It's not like they're dealing with hyper intelligent, independent, deep thinkers.

Pretty much everything is a conspiracy to you, though. I need to remember that.

[Callum_62]

There's a small part of me that wants the chaos of no deal to transpire just to get it up the folk that are WTO way to go

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[JeMeSouviens]

No chance. I can possibly see us going back to the Canada style deal that we were offered at the beginning, but that would still require a majority that doesn’t exist, but it could be a compromise to avoid no deal.

The UK has only been offered a Canada deal if NI stays in the single market/CU and there is the famous "border in the Irish sea".

I think the new Tory Brexiter PM will take us into a general election promising No Deal. If Labour doesn't get off the fence, they might just win.

[Bristolhibby]

The UK has only been offered a Canada deal if NI stays in the single market/CU and there is the famous "border in the Irish sea".

I think the new Tory Brexiter PM will take us into a general election promising No Deal. If Labour doesn't get off the fence, they might just win.

You have a hard sell there. I’d like to see what my remain backing, but Mays Deal backing Tory MP says in that instance.

“Yes, I know I campaigned to remain, I know I said how essential a deal was, so much that I back Mays Deal however many times it came to Parliament, but now BOJO wants no Deal, and that’s for the best.”

She (and many others) would lose all credibility. Certainly with the floaters in my constituency.

J

[JeMeSouviens]

You have a hard sell there. I’d like to see what my remain backing, but Mays Deal backing Tory MP says in that instance.

“Yes, I know I campaigned to remain, I know I said how essential a deal was, so much that I back Mays Deal however many times it came to Parliament, but now BOJO wants no Deal, and that’s for the best.”

She (and many others) would lose all credibility. Certainly with the floaters in my constituency.

J

It'll be sold as get tough with Brussels but be prepared for No Deal if those stupid intransigent furriners won't see sense.

[JeMeSouviens]

Various journos on twitter saying the WAB has been pulled. Has May finally given up? :faint:

[cabbageandribs1875]

mel stride replaces andrea leadsom

[Moulin Yarns]

Various journos on twitter saying the WAB has been pulled. Has May finally given up? :faint:


Now rumours that the withdrawal agreement may not now be brought back before parliament as she realised that hell hasn't frozen over.

Keep up, I heard that at 22:15 yesterday :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Keep up, I heard that at 22:15 yesterday :greengrin

No one likes a show off. :rolleyes: :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Guardian reports May still trying to cling to the wreckage - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/23/theresa-may-hold-talks-ministers-attempt-prolong-exit

Meanwhile, according to Robert Peston, Boris has been putting the word round Tory MPs to oppose the WAB so the next PM (whoever that might be :rolleyes:) can go to Brussels and triumphantly negotiate the backstop out of the deal. Huzzah!

They really are spellbindingly stupid.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/only-boris-can-bury-brexit/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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[Fife-Hibee]

It's incredible that you credit them with such sophistication, such brilliant vision and, almost unearthly intelligence.

Mind you, it's only the "sheer simpletons" in the electorate that they have to fool. It's not like they're dealing with hyper intelligent, independent, deep thinkers.

Pretty much everything is a conspiracy to you, though. I need to remember that.

I've been saying that it will be a "No Deal" ever since this fiasco kicked off and have been scoffed at relentlessly for saying so. Everything is playing out pretty much exactly as I expected that it would.

Call it a conspiracy or whatever else you like. What I said was happening is happening.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Callum_62]

What's the Brexit parties solution to the Irish border if they get there no deal Brexit?

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[Hibbyradge]

What's the Brexit parties solution to the Irish border if they get there no deal Brexit?

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:faf:

Oh, sorry, were you being serious? :wink:

[lapsedhibee]

What's the Brexit parties solution to the Irish border if they get there no deal Brexit?


That's the old politics. Brexit Party is changing politics for good, so there won't be any of those sorts of problems to solve.

[wpj]

May gone on 7th June, let the battle commence

[Hibbyradge]

What a time to be alive ...

[stoneyburn hibs]

It'll be Boris to the rescue.

[stokesmessiah]

Rather emotional goodbye from Theresa.

[Fife-Hibee]

Anybody else spot the oil leak?

[SHODAN]

Leadership contests take ages so who's going to be Prime Minister from 7th June to when it finishes?

[lapsedhibee]

Leadership contests take ages so who's going to be Prime Minister from 7th June to when it finishes?

Lidington please as Caretaker Manager.

[Fife-Hibee]

Leadership contests take ages so who's going to be Prime Minister from 7th June to when it finishes?

Will be either Leadsom or Raab.

[lapsedhibee]

Will be either Leadsom or Raab.

Shirley not, as they'll be runners.

[Moulin Yarns]

Will be either Leadsom or Raab.

Can't be leadsom for obvious reasons.

[cabbageandribs1875]

6/4 Boris Buffoon
9/2 dominic rabble

11/1 andrea leadsom
11/1 hunt
11/1 gove
20/1 farage :rolleyes:



150/1 rooth the mooth

[JeMeSouviens]

Leadership contests take ages so who's going to be Prime Minister from 7th June to when it finishes?

I think May stays on until the new leader's settled.

Edit - yes, she stops being Tory leader on 7th June but stays on as caretaker PM until they have a new one.

[BroxburnHibee]

No sympathy whatsoever.

Crocodile tears

[Eaststand]

Leadership contests take ages so who's going to be Prime Minister from 7th June to when it finishes?

I hear Ally McCoist has put his name forward --- well he seems to do that for any job nowadays

GGTTH

[Hibbyradge]

I hear Ally McCoist has put his name forward --- well he seems to do that for any job nowadays

GGTTH

Really? That's interesting.

The whispers I'm hearing suggest it'll be John Terry.

[Pretty Boy]

For all this is a cluster**** of epic proportions it really is quite an amazing time to live through.

We are living in a country that used to be a superpower but is turning itself into more of a laughing stock by the day. There's a last throw of the dice by the jingoistic right to try and reestablish the UK as a genuine force, the break up of the UK seems increasingly inevitable and across Europe and much of the rest of the world the electorate has become more polarised and turns to the extremes. All this is playing out against a backdrop of the growing power of China, a virtual dictatorship in Russia, an extremist in power in Washington, a middle east as far away from peace as ever and an escalating climate emergency that is inevitably going to have economic and trade repercussions.

I think what makes it really interesting is we can access, and express, opinions and news instantly. During the huge turmoil of much of the 20th century people had to try and go about their daily lives whilst relying on limited, controlled news as and when it became available. On the other hand we have front row seats to every twist and turn as it happens.

[Beefster]

Rather emotional goodbye from Theresa.

Self-indulgent bull**** from her. Everyone else’s fault for not compromising, look at all the stuff I’ve done, yadda yadda. I suppose when you’re about to go down in history with the likes of Brown and Eden, you need to try everything to garner a touch of sympathy.

[JeMeSouviens]

Self-indulgent bull**** from her. Everyone else’s fault for not compromising, look at all the stuff I’ve done, yadda yadda. I suppose when you’re about to go down in history with the likes of Brown and Eden, you need to try everything to garner a touch of sympathy.

Couldn't agree more. She had a weak hand and has played it extremely badly.

[Sylar]

Delighted she's gone, but not relishing who comes next. Boris? Gove? Rees-Mogg?

I might need to revise my position on Independence if Boris moves into 10 Downing Street.

[lapsedhibee]

Delighted she's gone, but not relishing who comes next. Boris? Gove? Rees-Mogg?

I might need to revise my position on Independence if Boris moves into 10 Downing Street.

:agree: Pretty much the entire list of runners and riders for Tory leadership is an SNP recruiter's dream.

Boris will make jokes about Jocks. In Latin.

[JeMeSouviens]

Delighted she's gone, but not relishing who comes next. Boris? Gove? Rees-Mogg?

I might need to revise my position on Independence if Boris moves into 10 Downing Street.

I don't really get this "Boris will lead to indy" thing (obv I hope it's true though). I mean we've had any number of entitled arrogant Tory idiots running the UK government for decades. What's so different about BoJo? :confused:

[Pretty Boy]

What is the constitutional situation with regards to Rees-Mogg?

As a practicing Catholic there must be constitutional issues and conflicts of interest with regards to the role of the PM as advisor to the Monarch on ecclesiastical appointments and policy of the Church of England. Both Disraeli and Thatcher converted from Judaism and Methodism respectively.

I know there is no specific law in place forbidding it but there is also no precedent for it happening.

[JeMeSouviens]

What is the constitutional situation with regards to Rees-Mogg?

As a practicing Catholic there must be constitutional issues and conflicts of interest with regards to the role of the PM as advisor to the Monarch on ecclesiastical appointments and policy of the Church of England. Both Disraeli and Thatcher converted from Judaism and Methodism respectively.

I know there is no specific law in place forbidding it but there is also no precedent for it happening.

Don't know but it's academic this time: JRM has already declared for BoJo.

[lapsedhibee]

What is the constitutional situation with regards to Rees-Mogg?

As a practicing Catholic there must be constitutional issues and conflicts of interest with regards to the role of the PM as advisor to the Monarch on ecclesiastical appointments and policy of the Church of England. Both Disraeli and Thatcher converted from Judaism and Methodism respectively.

I know there is no specific law in place forbidding it but there is also no precedent for it happening.

Was there not a practising kafflik in No 10 when Blair was PM?

[JeMeSouviens]

Was there not a practising kafflik in No 10 when Blair was PM?

If so, it wasn't TB - he converted after he left office.

[lapsedhibee]

If so, it wasn't TB - he converted after he left office.

Publicly converted, yes, but who's to say he wasn't doing kafflik things all the time that he was PM, under the malign kafflik influence of his missus?

[Ozyhibby]

For all this is a cluster**** of epic proportions it really is quite an amazing time to live through.

We are living in a country that used to be a superpower but is turning itself into more of a laughing stock by the day. There's a last throw of the dice by the jingoistic right to try and reestablish the UK as a genuine force, the break up of the UK seems increasingly inevitable and across Europe and much of the rest of the world the electorate has become more polarised and turns to the extremes. All this is playing out against a backdrop of the growing power of China, a virtual dictatorship in Russia, an extremist in power in Washington, a middle east as far away from peace as ever and an escalating climate emergency that is inevitably going to have economic and trade repercussions.

I think what makes it really interesting is we can access, and express, opinions and news instantly. During the huge turmoil of much of the 20th century people had to try and go about their daily lives whilst relying on limited, controlled news as and when it became available. On the other hand we have front row seats to every twist and turn as it happens.

The last paragraph was understood by the brexiteers a long time ago. Guys like Douglas Carswell had written books on the changing pace of politics in a digital world years ago.


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[stoneyburn hibs]

I don't really get this "Boris will lead to indy" thing (obv I hope it's true though). I mean we've had any number of entitled arrogant Tory idiots running the UK government for decades. What's so different about BoJo? :confused:

He tops the list at a canter.

[Slavers]

6/4 Boris Buffoon
9/2 dominic rabble

11/1 andrea leadsom
11/1 hunt
11/1 gove
20/1 farage :rolleyes:



150/1 rooth the mooth

Could be a master stroke by the Torys if they appoint Ruth Davidson as leader! A Scottish female as UK PM would probably end the call of independence for many within Scotland.

[Hibrandenburg]

Could be a master stroke by the Torys if they appoint Ruth Davidson as leader! A Scottish female as UK PM would probably end the call of independence for many within Scotland.

She'd have to get elected first.

[Sylar]

I don't really get this "Boris will lead to indy" thing (obv I hope it's true though). I mean we've had any number of entitled arrogant Tory idiots running the UK government for decades. What's so different about BoJo? :confused:

It's nothing to do with the party he represents or his arrogance - it's his utterly incompetent characteristics (which I obviously don't need to list, as they're so many).

A man who's an ardent Brexiteer isn't going to harm the SNP's cause - but a man who's an ardent Brexiteer and refers to African countries as "bungo bungo land", or Commonwealth citizens as "piccaninnies with watermelon smiles". The man wouldn't only have the potential to rip us out of the EU as he desires, but as a leader representing the UK on the global scale he has the potential to cause substantial geopolitical harm!

[JeMeSouviens]

It's nothing to do with the party he represents or his arrogance - it's his utterly incompetent characteristics (which I obviously don't need to list, as they're so many).

A man who's an ardent Brexiteer isn't going to harm the SNP's cause - but a man who's an ardent Brexiteer and refers to African countries as "bungo bungo land", or Commonwealth citizens as "piccaninnies with watermelon smiles". The man wouldn't only have the potential to rip us out of the EU as he desires, but as a leader representing the UK on the global scale he has the potential to cause substantial geopolitical harm!

Ah, I see. So there's kind of 2 things going on there I think. He was brought up in an anachronistic culture that Britannia ruled the waves and all these rum foreigners should be jolly glad we did. Plus he has the attention span of an especially inattentive goldfish.

The thing is there is a very large segment of the population that shares the latter attribute and yearns for leadership from those of the former attribute. I think there's probably more of them elsewhere in the UK but they're very much present here too.

Among the UK's many problems is the culture of deference. It's not so much that people defer but that they defer to completely the wrong people. Not based on what they know or how well they think, but on who their grand-pa-pa was and which school they went to. :rolleyes:

Right up there in my personal reasons for ripping up the UK and building a new country.

[Colr]

What is the constitutional situation with regards to Rees-Mogg?

As a practicing Catholic there must be constitutional issues and conflicts of interest with regards to the role of the PM as advisor to the Monarch on ecclesiastical appointments and policy of the Church of England. Both Disraeli and Thatcher converted from Judaism and Methodism respectively.

I know there is no specific law in place forbidding it but there is also no precedent for it happening.


Didn’t Tony Blair delay his conversion to Catholicism until after he left Government?

[Moulin Yarns]

Could be a master stroke by the Torys if they appoint Ruth Davidson as leader! A Scottish female as UK PM would probably end the call of independence for many within Scotland.

Slavers.



Ruth has already ruled herself out. Ruth is not, and never will be an MP. There is more chance of revoking article 50.

[JeMeSouviens]

Slavers.



Ruth has already ruled herself out. Ruth is not, and never will be an MP. There is more chance of revoking article 50.

She will in the long run. "Now is not the time". :wink:

[stokesmessiah]

Do we actually think Boris will get it ???

Looks like Brady is throwing his hat in the ring as well.

[BroxburnHibee]

Was there not a practising kafflik in No 10 when Blair was PM?

There was. Campbell has already admitted they worked tirelessly to keep his faith under wraps.

[grunt]

I don't really get this "Boris will lead to indy" thing (obv I hope it's true though). I mean we've had any number of entitled arrogant Tory idiots running the UK government for decades. What's so different about BoJo? :confused:

https://youtu.be/CjFboRwGiqc

[Future17]

Do we actually think Boris will get it ???

Looks like Brady is throwing his hat in the ring as well.

Brady a strong outsider. If I was a betting man...

[BroxburnHibee]

I think Gove or Brady are more likely

[Mibbes Aye]

Do we actually think Boris will get it ???

Looks like Brady is throwing his hat in the ring as well.

The Tory process is that MPs vote to end up with two candidates who then get presented to the membership at large.

Boris is way ahead amongst the membership but nowhere near as dominant amongst MPs. But if an MP has a constituency association who are strongly Boris then it puts them in a difficult position.

Of course Boris being Boris, you just assume there’s yet another gaffe or skeleton in the closet to derail him.

[Fife-Hibee]

Could be a master stroke by the Torys if they appoint Ruth Davidson as leader! A Scottish female as UK PM would probably end the call of independence for many within Scotland.

I agree.... they should definitely make Ruth Davidson PM (who is SO popular in Scotland). We wouldn't have a chance of independence in that outcome. :agree:




Please happen... :pray:

[Fife-Hibee]

Can't be leadsom for obvious reasons.

What obvious reasons? She is still an MP and can rejoin the party.

[Future17]

What obvious reasons? She is still an MP and can rejoin the party.

When did she leave the Party?

[Moulin Yarns]

When did she leave the Party?

She resigned from the cabinet.

[Future17]

She resigned from the cabinet.

I'm confused - that doesn't stop her running for leader of the Party though...am I on the wrong thread again! :-)

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm confused - that doesn't stop her running for leader of the Party though...am I on the wrong thread again! :-)

No. I jumped the gun. But timing is everything

[Future17]

No. I jumped the gun. But timing is everything

Ah, I get your point. To be fair, you weren't alone. ;-)

[Jim44]

Boris J is our Donald T. God help us and the rest of the world if he stumbles into Downing Street.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://pca.st/1cSH

[Moulin Yarns]

Do we still need Brexit now we have had Trexit?

[cabbageandribs1875]

22016


borrowed from Kevin Bridges ;)

[Fife-Hibee]

22016


borrowed from Kevin Bridges ;)

Would be funny if accurate.

An image of her sailing away on her own private yacht with wads of cash would be more accurate. Albeit, not funny at all.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Would be funny if accurate.

An image of her sailing away on her own private yacht with wads of cash would be more accurate. Albeit, not funny at all.


awk c'mon man, i thought it was more a play on her surname :greengrin and the timings are very accurate

[Fife-Hibee]

awk c'mon man, i thought it was more a play on her surname :greengrin and the timings are very accurate

Just can't bring myself to laugh at any of this. What an utter cluster **** UK politics is. History appears to be repeating itself. Whenever a stable system of government becomes unstable anywhere in the world, it always leaves a vacuum to be filled by some extremist/fascist types. Which is exactly what we're seeing with Farage and his ever growing band of nazi supporters.

[stokesmessiah]

Just can't bring myself to laugh at any of this. What an utter cluster **** UK politics is. History appears to be repeating itself. Whenever a stable system of government becomes unstable anywhere in the world, it always leaves a vacuum to be filled by some extremist/fascist types. Which is exactly what we're seeing with Farage and his ever growing band of nazi supporters.


What does that say about people in general ???

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1131968947258109952?s=21
This on the Brexit Party is worth a watch.


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[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1131968947258109952?s=21
This on the Brexit Party is worth a watch.


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Thanks.

Just goes to show how the Tories evolve.

[Fife-Hibee]

What does that say about people in general ???

That we're sheep who will jump on any bandwagon that makes us feel good and empowered at the time, while giving very little regard to the long term implications from doing so. A lesson we never learn from.

[HiBremian]

That we're sheep who will jump on any bandwagon that makes us feel good and empowered at the time, while giving very little regard to the long term implications from doing so. A lesson we never learn from.

Bit of a generalisation there, but under the FPTP system, there are probably enough sheep to see BoJo win a snap election handsomely and go on to convince enough of his new intake of MPs to back whatever he wants, including a no deal, on the back of his mandate. These days 35% can get you a decent majority, with the anti-Brexit vote split.

However, given you can’t believe a word he says, and now that we live in the Trump era where sheep vote for liars, there are plenty other strategies available to the buffoon party. Once the DUP lose their influence, could the Tories sacrifice N. Ireland by backing the backstop and setting up customs at the ports? Could they pull that long-forgotten “sensible” Brexit policy document “Flexcit” back out of the drawer, putting an end to the “my willie is bigger than yours” nonsense we’ve had for the past 3 years? Tory MPs under a majority Johnson government will be much easier to whip into line, especially in the first months after a successful election.

What happens next for Brexit? Trump politics.


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[Ozyhibby]

Bit of a generalisation there, but under the FPTP system, there are probably enough sheep to see BoJo win a snap election handsomely and go on to convince enough of his new intake of MPs to back whatever he wants, including a no deal, on the back of his mandate. These days 35% can get you a decent majority, with the anti-Brexit vote split.

However, given you can’t believe a word he says, and now that we live in the Trump era where sheep vote for liars, there are plenty other strategies available to the buffoon party. Once the DUP lose their influence, could the Tories sacrifice N. Ireland by backing the backstop and setting up customs at the ports? Could they pull that long-forgotten “sensible” Brexit policy document “Flexcit” back out of the drawer, putting an end to the “my willie is bigger than yours” nonsense we’ve had for the past 3 years? Tory MPs under a majority Johnson government will be much easier to whip into line, especially in the first months after a successful election.

What happens next for Brexit? Trump politics.


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The Brexit vote is split now as well. If Johnson does a deal with Farage, does he lose centrist Tories?
Johnson himself is in a marginal seat that voted remain. Going for a GE is a massive personal risk. Things are changing very fast just now and it’s becoming very hard to predict. I suspect Labour will move to a solid 2nd ref stance soon (if they don’t then I can see a challenge to Corbyn coming) and that Change will merge with Lib Dem’s.
If Tories and Brexit Party do a deal I would not rule out the remain parties doing a deal as well. The GE would become a referendum in all but name.


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[Ozyhibby]

McVey has just joined Johnson and Raab in being in favour of no deal.


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[HiBremian]

The Brexit vote is split now as well. If Johnson does a deal with Farage, does he lose centrist Tories?
Johnson himself is in a marginal seat that voted remain. Going for a GE is a massive personal risk. Things are changing very fast just now and it’s becoming very hard to predict. I suspect Labour will move to a solid 2nd ref stance soon (if they don’t then I can see a challenge to Corbyn coming) and that Change will merge with Lib Dem’s.
If Tories and Brexit Party do a deal I would not rule out the remain parties doing a deal as well. The GE would become a referendum in all but name.


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Think you’re right about Labour, Oz. And Change seem to be a busted flush. But for me the whole raison d’etre of Johnson is to win back enough Brexit Party voters for a FPTP clean sweep. Not got figures in front of me, but we’d have to look at the marginals. I can see places like Darlington, where I used to live, going Tory under Johnson.


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