Brexit - what will happen next

[Callum_62]

Hardly just 'someone he disagrees with'

Well done Jeremy, a principled decent man and politician who very probably wouldn't have invited soubry if he had been chairing the meeting.

Very few decent politicians around these days.

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Get on with it man. No point throwing a hissy fit...get on with trying to get the country out of the crisis WM has created

10 days before a no deal brexit is not the time

Makes him look incredibly churlish


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[lapsedhibee]

Brilliant. Absolutely the best trolling ever.

:agree:

[James310]

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Happy to meet Hamas and the IRA, but draws the line at Chuka Umunna. 😂

[Tornadoes70]

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Get on with it man. No point throwing a hissy fit...get on with trying to get the country out of the crisis WM has created

10 days before a no deal brexit is not the time

Makes him look incredibly churlish


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Not at all.

Lets be honest in all likelihood the meeting would have been a complete waste of time and energy in any case.

Better to let Blackford debate with May and the DUP.

Well done Jeremy.

[Just Alf]

A fair point well put many will agree with when supporting eu membership is framed as simply that, however, we have to remember brexit was a uk wide vote and accept the majority's wishes.And even that 37% majority is split between, hard Brexit, soft Brexit and a hard Brexit with a CU (soft surely?)... Dunno where that takes us.

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[GlesgaeHibby]

Not at all.

Lets be honest in all likelihood the meeting would have been a complete waste of time and energy in any case.

Better to let Blackford debate with May and the DUP.

Well done Jeremy.

You are on a different planet.

[Callum_62]

Theresa is late for her nation address speech

Why am i not surprised


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[Tornadoes70]

You are on a different planet.

That's genuine trolling when no reasoned point has been made following a somewhat derogatory comment.

[weecounty hibby]

Teresa is late for her nation address speech

Why am i not surprised


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There's maybe someone in the crowd she doesn't want to talk to!! In hindsight even she's not that pathetic

[GlesgaeHibby]

That's genuine trolling when no reasoned point has been made following a somewhat derogatory comment.

Your logic is beyond comprehension.

Corbyn asks for meeting at lunch. Gets meeting this evening. Goes in huff because Chuka is there 9 days before catastrophe. If you think that is an exemplary way for the so called leader of the opposition to behave then crack on

[JeMeSouviens]

Looks like hard Brexit for the UK - Speaker Bercow says the House cannot vote on the deal again, Tusk says it must accept the deal to gain a short extension ... looks like the UK has just hit the wall, it's all over guys ... 9 days and you are out! Sorry to see you go ... or have I got this all wrong? :confused:

Yes, you are wrong in some of the detail.

Bercow said the house could vote on exactly the same deal if it first expressed its wish to do so via a business motion. So if the deal could muster the votes to pass it could also muster the votes to get itself voted on.

Also Tusk said the deal must pass for a short extension. He didn’t say anything about a long extension.

[Tornadoes70]

There's maybe someone in the crowd she doesn't want to talk to!! In hindsight even she's not that pathetic

Wonder if Nicola will attend Soapy's trial in an open demonstration of support for her ex mentor?

[Callum_62]

“My deal”

“Get on with it”

“My deal”

Basically its MPs fault we have had to delay - no mine

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[James310]

May saying its not right to go back and ask the same question in reference to a referendum, but it's OK for her to ask MPs the same question for a possible 3rd time.

[weecounty hibby]

Wonder if Nicola will attend Soapy's trial in a show of support?

Mate you truly have lost the plot. What has that got to do with Corbyns pathetic "leadership". His lack of a coherent, stable alternative and his downright childish behaviour.
And weren't you the one who said at one point that and I quote" have no interest in the SNP" 🤣🤣🤣

[JeMeSouviens]

https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1108418852684288000?s=21

Dominic Grieves statement


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Love the guy. Presumably he is the exception that proves the rule that Tories are all *******s. :wink:

[Bangkok Hibby]

May saying its not right to go back and ask the same question in reference to a referendum, but it's OK for her to ask MPs the same question for a possible 3rd time.

Also saying the public dont want one. Conveniently ignoring the polls which suggest remain would be ahead.
Utter creature!

[Tornadoes70]

Mate you truly have lost the plot. What has that got to do with Corbyns pathetic "leadership". His lack of a coherent, stable alternative and his downright childish behaviour.
And weren't you the one who said at one point that and I quote" have no interest in the SNP" 🤣🤣🤣

Jeremy didn't cause brexit by any means and the tories will certainly feel the blast whether mays deal or no brexit occurs.

Additionally the underlying change he has instilled within the Labour movement is change that will enable the party to oust the tories next time around and socialism will undergo a monumental revival within the UK.

[James310]

Love the guy. Presumably he is the exception that proves the rule that Tories are all *******s. :wink:

Grieve for PM

[Ozyhibby]

Jeremy didn't cause brexit by any means and the tories will certainly feel the blast whether mays deal or no brexit occurs.

Additionally the underlying change he has instilled within the Labour movement is change that will enable the party to oust the tories next time around and socialism will undergo a monumental revival within the UK.

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[JeMeSouviens]

“My deal”

“Get on with it”

“My deal”

Basically its MPs fault we have had to delay - no mine

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What is the ******g point of her broadcast? Does she think there are no reports from parliament or something?

[Ozyhibby]

Grieve for PM

No chance. He’s likely to get deselected.


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[weecounty hibby]

What a terrible statement from May. All the fault of the MPs, not her fault, she feels bad about it, no appetite for 2nd referendum (not sure how she can measure that). If only we had an opposition that had stood firmly behind a second referendum based on deal, no deal, status quo. Instead they have, led by an inept, career protester not fit to be the main man allowed the UK to drift into a constitutional crisis

[Moulin Yarns]

That's genuine trolling when no reasoned point has been made following a somewhat derogatory comment.

Says the biggest troll on here.

Take your head out of your arse, it's affecting the amount of ***** you speak.

[weecounty hibby]

Jeremy didn't cause brexit by any means and the tories will certainly feel the blast whether mays deal or no brexit occurs.

Additionally the underlying change he has instilled within the Labour movement is change that will enable the party to oust the tories next time around and socialism will undergo a monumental revival within the UK.
There are no words that can fully do justice in replying to that total croc of ****

[Moulin Yarns]

Jeremy didn't cause brexit by any means and the tories will certainly feel the blast whether mays deal or no brexit occurs.

Additionally the underlying change he has instilled within the Labour movement is change that will enable the party to oust the tories next time around and socialism will undergo a monumental revival within the UK.

😂🙄

[ronaldo7]

What is the ******g point of her broadcast? Does she think there are no reports from parliament or something?

She's stirring the Brexit pot. Right wing bams, will be out in force at the week end.

Look out for trouble at the march, with yellow vests gathering to cause bother.

[Tornadoes70]

Says the biggest troll on here.

Take your head out of your arse, it's affecting the amount of ***** you speak.

Aye ok.

Let's all become snp/greens anti UK erchie lickers and totalitarian on here eh.

Surely I'm entitled to defend my party of choice just as others are and rightly so in my opinion?

[Smartie]

Socialism will undergo a revival at some stage.

It's a necessary corrective action from time to time when capitalism implodes, goes too far, we're left in an utter shambles and there is no credible alternative.

We're not there yet, but I wouldn't rule out being there in the not too distant future.

[weecounty hibby]

Socialism will undergo a revival at some stage.

It's a necessary corrective action from time to time when capitalism implodes, goes too far, we're left in an utter shambles and there is no credible alternative.

We're not there yet, but I wouldn't rule out being there in the not too distant future.
When did this last happen anytime outwith the post war years? Honest question because I'm genuinely interested to read up on that period in history.

[Tornadoes70]

When did this last happen anytime outwith the post war years? Honest question because I'm genuinely interested to read up on that period in history.

Unlike you not to steam in all guns blazing.

A nice change from your usual modus operandi.

:agree:

[Smartie]

When did this last happen anytime outwith the post war years? Honest question because I'm genuinely interested to read up on that period in history.

War brings about this type of devastation.

You could probably include the nationalisation of the banks during the financial crash of a decade ago.

I tend to agree with free market principles - markets should be kept as free as possible but whilst acknowledging that if they are kept too free for too long then wealth aggregates with too few people, which is a bad thing. If too many people have too little and are unhappy about it then all hell can break loose and socialism can be desirable/ inevitable to sort it out. This can be voluntary or forced.

I'm not sure where we are right now but I do know that all sorts of bother could be just around the corner.

For the record - I would not consider myself to be a socialist.

Any more.

We probably all were when we were young.

[weecounty hibby]

Unlike you not to steam in all guns blazing.

A nice change from your usual modus operandi.

:agree:
I do however notice that you have stuck to your MO and not answered the question. At least you didn't spout a load of nonsense about how Jeremy will lead us all into a socialist Nirvana waving a big red flag

[McD]

Jeremy didn't cause brexit by any means and the tories will certainly feel the blast whether mays deal or no brexit occurs.

Additionally the underlying change he has instilled within the Labour movement is change that will enable the party to oust the tories next time around and socialism will undergo a monumental revival within the UK.


Why bother ousting the tories, if Jeremy the lionheart wont even attend a meeting with people he doesn’t like?

How will he lead a parliament where, by definition, there will a large proportion of the house that fundamentally disgrees with him?

Will he refuse to answer anything asked at PMQs if it’s asked by the opposition, because they’re bad boys and girls, and then take his ball home in a huff?


Corbyn is a complete fraud when it comes to being the leader of the opposition, or indeed simply the leader of a party in Westminster. It requires one to look beyond their own political agenda, which was fine for him to follow when he was a backbencher, but as a leader he needs to engage with other parties and their members. He has utterly failed at that today, and up to today. By playing pathetic games, he has failed to hold a government to account as a competent leader of the opposition.

its actually disgusting how cretinous and worthless he is as an MP, never mind as a leader.

[weecounty hibby]

War brings about this type of devastation.

You could probably include the nationalisation of the banks during the financial crash of a decade ago.

I tend to agree with free market principles - markets should be kept as free as possible but whilst acknowledging that if they are kept too free for too long then wealth aggregates with too few people, which is a bad thing. If too many people have too little and are unhappy about it then all hell can break loose and socialism can be desirable/ inevitable to sort it out. This can be voluntary or forced.

I'm not sure where we are right now but I do know that all sorts of bother could be just around the corner.

For the record - I would not consider myself to be a socialist.

Any more.

We probably all were when we were young.
Thanks, the "nationalising" of the bank's had very little to do with socialism and more to do with protecting the rest of the capitalist system. If these bank's had gone under then the very thing that capitalism is built on would have started to crumble.
There are very few real socialists nowadays. As I alluded to in an earlier post loads of previous working class people now have too much debt, too many stocks and shares etc. It's why Tony Blair's version of socialism lite did well for a few years. It allowed some socialism while still allowing capitalism to flourish. Let's not forget who had been in power for a number of years leading up to the financial crash.
I still don't see where you have shown me any time where socialism has restabilised the "system" other than post war

[James310]

I'll say it again, do your homework. Become a member of the EU does not depend on acceptance of the Euro.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-independent-scotland-would-have-to-adopt-euro-after-joining-eu

Interesting fact check based on discussions a few weeks back.

"As it stands, it’s unlikely an independent Scotland would be able to avoid adopting the euro indefinitely"

[Smartie]

Thanks, the "nationalising" of the bank's had very little to do with socialism and more to do with protecting the rest of the capitalist system. If these bank's had gone under then the very thing that capitalism is built on would have started to crumble.
There are very few real socialists nowadays. As I alluded to in an earlier post loads of previous working class people now have too much debt, too many stocks and shares etc. It's why Tony Blair's version of socialism lite did well for a few years. It allowed some socialism while still allowing capitalism to flourish. Let's not forget who had been in power for a number of years leading up to the financial crash.
I still don't see where you have shown me any time where socialism has restabilised the "system" other than post war

In reality we're always going to have a mixed socialism/ capitalism system and the balance of the two is all that will change over time.

We'll never absolutely have one or the other.

I don't know what I'm trying to argue here.

Other than - folk might have mortgages, debts etc. A lot of people have not seen an increase in wages in about 35 years, social mobility isn't great and most of the world's wealth is becoming more and more concentrated in a few countries/ groups/ individuals. People start to get disgruntled, and when offered something framed as an opportunity to lash out at "the elite" will probably take it (see Brexit 5hitshow). Some people have a genuine reason to be lashing out, the others are the retired dentists of the Home Counties who don't have a clue about anything.

Would it be a surprise that the growing number of disgruntled could grow to favour some form of socialism, in spite of a right-wing media (who have everything to lose via socialism) castigating those who wish to deliver it?

I think it might be just around the corner, so amidst the madness I can see some stuff in T70s posts that I agree with.

[weecounty hibby]

In reality we're always going to have a mixed socialism/ capitalism system and the balance of the two is all that will change over time.

We'll never absolutely have one or the other.

I don't know what I'm trying to argue here.

Other than - folk might have mortgages, debts etc. A lot of people have not seen an increase in wages in about 35 years, social mobility isn't great and most of the world's wealth is becoming more and more concentrated in a few countries/ groups/ individuals. People start to get disgruntled, and when offered something framed as an opportunity to lash out at "the elite" will probably take it (see Brexit 5hitshow). Some people have a genuine reason to be lashing out, the others are the retired dentists of the Home Counties who don't have a clue about anything.

Would it be a surprise that the growing number of disgruntled could grow to favour some form of socialism, in spite of a right-wing media (who have everything to lose via socialism) castigating those who wish to deliver it?

I think it might be just around the corner, so amidst the madness I can see some stuff in T70s posts that I agree with.
You were doing so well until your last paragraph 😄
I do get where you're coming from and as I say it's why Blair did well and why Corbyn won't. The issue for Blair/Brown was that they were so scared of pissing off the financiers etc that they allowed them to regulate themselves. And we all bore the brunt of that disaster. There is a happy medium to he struck and right now it's neither Mays Tories or Corbyns Labour. I do think that in an Independent Scotland we could set ourselves up to be that happy medium that we have both described

[Tornadoes70]

In reality we're always going to have a mixed socialism/ capitalism system and the balance of the two is all that will change over time.

We'll never absolutely have one or the other.

I don't know what I'm trying to argue here.

Other than - folk might have mortgages, debts etc. A lot of people have not seen an increase in wages in about 35 years, social mobility isn't great and most of the world's wealth is becoming more and more concentrated in a few countries/ groups/ individuals. People start to get disgruntled, and when offered something framed as an opportunity to lash out at "the elite" will probably take it (see Brexit 5hitshow). Some people have a genuine reason to be lashing out, the others are the retired dentists of the Home Counties who don't have a clue about anything.

Would it be a surprise that the growing number of disgruntled could grow to favour some form of socialism, in spite of a right-wing media (who have everything to lose via socialism) castigating those who wish to deliver it?

I think it might be just around the corner, so amidst the madness I can see some stuff in T70s posts that I agree with.

Good post.

Add in the fact the young are finding it increasingly difficult to access the housing market, tory austerity, fuel poverty because of year on year extensive energy price rises, growing right wing extremity etc etc etc and socialism begins to appear very appealing to the majority. If Scotland ever did go independent though it would enter into a period where tory cuts and austerity would look very generous in comparison.

A strong socialist led Labour Party will be in a very good position to beat the tories next time around whether Jeremy's there or not by that time but if not he can be credited for very thankfully fundamentally transforming the Labour Party back to its core values.

[Moulin Yarns]

Aye ok.

Let's all become snp/greens anti UK erchie lickers and totalitarian on here eh.

Surely I'm entitled to defend my party of choice just as others are and rightly so in my opinion?

Except the post I replied to was not you defending your party. It was you trolling another poster.

[Moulin Yarns]

Wonder if Nicola will attend Soapy's trial in an open demonstration of support for her ex mentor?

Troll

[Mibbes Aye]

Happy to meet Hamas and the IRA, but draws the line at Chuka Umunna. 😂

Play this clip

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-34392427/jeremy-corbyn-i-want-a-kinder-politics

Ooft the hypocrisy meter has just gone off the scale!

Either that or he is just as simply clueless as everyone has come to believe.

Not ruling out a combination of both - Milne, the swivel-eyed loon has been happy to feed the rather incompetent Corbyn lines since his election.

[Ozyhibby]

You were doing so well until your last paragraph [emoji1]
I do get where you're coming from and as I say it's why Blair did well and why Corbyn won't. The issue for Blair/Brown was that they were so scared of pissing off the financiers etc that they allowed them to regulate themselves. And we all bore the brunt of that disaster. There is a happy medium to he struck and right now it's neither Mays Tories or Corbyns Labour. I do think that in an Independent Scotland we could set ourselves up to be that happy medium that we have both described

I’m a big supporter of independence but don’t kid yourself that we won’t **** up like every other country.


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[PeeJay]

Yes, you are wrong in some of the detail.

Bercow said the house could vote on exactly the same deal if it first expressed its wish to do so via a business motion. So if the deal could muster the votes to pass it could also muster the votes to get itself voted on.

Also Tusk said the deal must pass for a short extension. He didn’t say anything about a long extension.


Cheers - Apparently this is the easy bit, after this finally gets dealt with it then gets really difficult .... :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Today's a big day, since today's the day that journos get to confirm with Tuskie that a long extension's still a possibility. If it is, the ERG puts their champers away, MV3 sinks again and May's off to spend more time with her knitting.

[Hibbyradge]

MPs have already voted against no deal in principle.

Surely that will hold true regardless of the result of MV3?

Are they really just going to sit on their hands and await the catastrophe?

[lapsedhibee]

MPs have already voted against no deal in principle.

Surely that will hold true regardless of the result of MV3?

Are they really just going to sit on their hands and await the catastrophe?

Think at the moment only the government can introduce legislation to change the exit date, so unless the parly can wrest control of that process then they may have no option but to sit on their hands.

[Hibrandenburg]

What a terrible statement from May. All the fault of the MPs, not her fault, she feels bad about it, no appetite for 2nd referendum (not sure how she can measure that). If only we had an opposition that had stood firmly behind a second referendum based on deal, no deal, status quo. Instead they have, led by an inept, career protester not fit to be the main man allowed the UK to drift into a constitutional crisis

The underlying crux of her speech and body language was pure Smeagol, heavily suggesting that all other MPs were at fault with a secret conspiracy to thwart the will of the people. Utterly despicable person.

[stokesmessiah]

The underlying crux of her speech and body language was pure Smeagol, heavily suggesting that all other MPs were at fault with a secret conspiracy to thwart the will of the people. Utterly despicable person.

She really is. This whole narrative of her being praised because of the determination that keeps getting trotted out, really makes my piss boil.

[SHODAN]

If Tusk says yes to long extension then May is done. She's already ****ed up her chances in a potential MV3 by going on a Trumpesque rant at MPs.

[JeMeSouviens]

Cheers - Apparently this is the easy bit, after this finally gets dealt with it then gets really difficult .... :greengrin

Indeed. An actual comprehensive free trade agreement would take years to negotiate even if the UK side had the faintest hope of having a unified set of objectives.

[JeMeSouviens]

If Tusk says yes to long extension then May is done. She's already ****ed up her chances in a potential MV3 by going on a Trumpesque rant at MPs.

He won't say yes until he's asked. He won't be asked until enough Remain Tory MPs rebel. That's going to take the more sensible element of their front bench to have the balls to resign. They have another chance on Monday but I wouldn't bet anything on them taking it.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-independent-scotland-would-have-to-adopt-euro-after-joining-eu

Interesting fact check based on discussions a few weeks back.

"As it stands, it’s unlikely an independent Scotland would be able to avoid adopting the euro indefinitely"

I know I'm supposed to be ignoring you, but I didn't promise to ignore C4, so I sent them an email:


Hi Georgina,

Your fact check:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-independent-scotland-would-have-to-adopt-euro-after-joining-eu

Doesn't seem particularly complete.

I wonder why you avoided mentioning Sweden, which has been theoretically committed to joining the Euro since 1995, held a referendum on joining in 2003 and subsequent to that "No" vote has carried on with its own currency since?

Also, although you mentioned the 3 most recent EU members not using the Euro (Bulgaria and Romania since 2007, Croatia since 2013) you seem to have forgotten to mention there are 3 others (Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic, since 2004).

So that's 7 countries not using the Euro with no opt-out. Of those 7, only 2, Bulgaria and Croatia, have a government policy of moving towards Eurozone membership.

I would have thought that making a statement like:

"As it stands, it’s unlikely an independent Scotland would be able to avoid adopting the euro indefinitely."

... when there is actually an example country that has not joined in 24 years and has declared it has no plan to join, is more of an opinion than a fact. And an opinion based on pretty shaky ground.

My fact check of your fact check: "could do better". :-)

Best regards,

I'll let you know if I get a response.

[James310]

I know I'm supposed to be ignoring you, but I didn't promise to ignore C4, so I sent them an email:



I'll let you know if I get a response.

I hope you get a reply, but it probably comes down to interpretation of the rules and what you want to see.

Junker was pretty clear:

Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission, 15th September 2017 said.

“If we want the euro to unite rather than divide our continent, then it should be more than the currency of a select group of countries. The euro is meant to be the single currency of the European Union as a whole."

"All but two of our Member States are required and entitled to join the euro once they fulfil all conditions.”

[JeMeSouviens]

I hope you get a reply, but it probably comes down to interpretation of the rules and what you want to see.

Junker was pretty clear:

Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission, 15th September 2017 said.

“If we want the euro to unite rather than divide our continent, then it should be more than the currency of a select group of countries. The euro is meant to be the single currency of the European Union as a whole."

"All but two of our Member States are required and entitled to join the euro once they fulfil all conditions.”

You missed out the first part* (which it strikes me might be at least moderately important):


I have no intention of forcing countries to join the euro if they are not willing or not able to do so.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-17-3265_en.htm



* some might speculate you did so in order to be deliberately misleading but obviously I would be ignoring that.

[James310]

You missed out the first part* (which it strikes me might be at least moderately important):



http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-17-3265_en.htm



* some might speculate you did so in order to be deliberately misleading but obviously I would be ignoring that.

I look forward to ignoring you in future debates on currency in the months to come.

[JeMeSouviens]

I look forward to ignoring you in future debates on currency in the months to come.

Likewise :greengrin

(I am kinda interested though - did you think you'd get away with the selective quoting?)

[James310]

Likewise :greengrin

(I am kinda interested though - did you think you'd get away with the selective quoting?)

The publication I took it from only has the quote I copied. But of course it would.

[McSwanky]

The publication I took it from only has the quote I copied. But of course it would.

Which publication was that?

[James310]

Which publication was that?

I think it was called 'Ian Blackford was wrong and we do need to adopt the Euro' but will need to check.

[McSwanky]

I think it was called 'Ian Blackford was wrong and we do need to adopt the Euro' but will need to check.

:hilarious I guess I'll just have to assume it was the Daily Mail then?

[JeMeSouviens]

:hilarious I guess I'll just have to assume it was the Daily Mail then?

Political parties with mailing lists send wee snippets like this every so often to try and get their supporters to spread the info. Or, as in this case, to poison the well.

I imagine J/J is on the Tory one.

[WeeRussell]

I look forward to ignoring you in future debates on currency in the months to come.

Nothing like being the bigger man and walking away after your argument has been completely obliterated.

[James310]

Nothing like being the bigger man and walking away after your argument has been completely obliterated.

😂 Yes completely obliterated, that's right.

Great contribution.

[Hibbyradge]

😂 Yes completely obliterated, that's right.

Great contribution.

What word would you prefer he used given that your point was indeed proved to be wrong.

It looks obliterated from here.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/AngusMacNeilSNP/status/1108675217596076032?s=19

[Tornadoes70]

https://twitter.com/AngusMacNeilSNP/status/1108675217596076032?s=19

Was that twat not caught up in a sordid love triangle involving similar snp slaver Hosie and an attached woman?

[Tornadoes70]

Likewise :greengrin

(I am kinda interested though - did you think you'd get away with the selective quoting?)

You're not ignoring more Hi bees who have a differing point of view from the snp other anti UK parties are you? Its becoming more and more like a flash mob snp lodge meeting on here these days.

:confused:

[Hibbyradge]

Was that twat not caught up in a sordid love triangle involving similar snp slaver Hosie and an attached woman?

What is the relevance of that tittle-tattle?

:bitchy:

[Callum_62]

Was that twat not caught up in a sordid love triangle involving similar snp slaver Hosie and an attached woman?

Jeremy kyle lie detector surely


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[James310]

What word would you prefer he used given that your point was indeed proved to be wrong.

It looks obliterated from here.

A number of fact checks say otherwise, the EUs own documents say otherwise. We will see when the time comes.

[Tornadoes70]

What is the relevance of that tittle-tattle?

:bitchy:

Points to character my lud.

[Moulin Yarns]

Was that twat not caught up in a sordid love triangle involving similar snp slaver Hosie and an attached woman?

Troll

[Hibbyradge]

Points to character my lud.

It points to your character, certainly.

It was utterly irrelevant otherwise.

[Moulin Yarns]

You're not ignoring more Hi bees who have a differing point of view from the snp other anti UK parties are you? Its becoming more and more like a flash mob snp lodge meeting on here these days.

:confused:

Troll

[James310]

Its becoming more and more like a flash mob snp lodge meeting on here these days.

:confused:
It has been for years. At least it's consistent.

[Moulin Yarns]

Was that twat not caught up in a sordid love triangle involving similar snp slaver Hosie and an attached woman?

I post a relevant link about Brexit and you turn it into your usual abuse of the snp. Never mind, your saviour Jeremy says he supports revoking A50 (according to the independent ). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-article-50-no-deal-revoke-extension-brussels-summit-eu-a8833396.html

[Tornadoes70]

It points to your character, certainly.

It was utterly irrelevant otherwise.

If you say so. I'm not a politician and didn't involve myself in a sordid three way triangle like Angus MacNeil did which is out there on the record in the public domain.

[Moulin Yarns]

If you say so. I'm not a politician and didn't involve myself in a sordid three way triangle like Angus MacNeil did which is out there on the record in the public domain.

Troll. No relevant to Brexit

[Hibbyradge]

If you say so. I'm not a politician and didn't involve myself in a sordid three way triangle like Angus MacNeil did which is out there on the record in the public domain.

I couldn't give a flying one about love triangles.

People do all sorts of things, but that's got nothing to do with Brexit.

Your childish trolling is definitely putting me off voting for Labour though.

[Jack]

If you say so. I'm not a politician and didn't involve myself in a sordid three way triangle like Angus MacNeil did which is out there on the record in the public domain.

How do you know it was sordid?

[weecounty hibby]

Was that twat not caught up in a sordid love triangle involving similar snp slaver Hosie and an attached woman?

And that is relevant how?

[James310]

I post a relevant link about Brexit and you turn it into your usual abuse of the snp. Never mind, your saviour Jeremy says he supports revoking A50 (according to the independent ). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-article-50-no-deal-revoke-extension-brussels-summit-eu-a8833396.html

Yet a Labour spokesman said afterwards 'Labour do not believe revoking Article 50 is necessary'

[weecounty hibby]

If you say so. I'm not a politician and didn't involve myself in a sordid three way triangle like Angus MacNeil did which is out there on the record in the public domain.

So the fact that they were involved in some sort of relationship has some kind of detrimental effect on Brexiteer? You know the same sort of way Jeremy taking the huff does. And I didn't think you were interested in the SNP. Your very own words!!

[GlesgaeHibby]

If you say so. I'm not a politician and didn't involve myself in a sordid three way triangle like Angus MacNeil did which is out there on the record in the public domain.

Is this, along with Corbyn's huff last night, the kind of mature grown up politics championed by Labour? Yet more ridiculous trolling by you.

[James310]

The hypocrisy in this place is amusing. So at no point ever in he history of hibs.net has the personal life or misdemeanours of a Tory/Labour/Lid Dem or any party other than the SNP been brought up in debate unless it was strictly relevant to the subject being discussed. Yea OK.

Yes it has nothing to do with Brexit but it's not like he is the only one to ever have done it.

[Tornadoes70]

I couldn't give a flying one about love triangles.

People do all sorts of things, but that's got nothing to do with Brexit.

Your childish trolling is definitely putting me off voting for Labour though.

The sooner a socialist led Labour is voted back in the better it will be for all of us not just here in Scotland but across the whole of the UK.

The snp/greens are a protest fad moment in time that will pass sooner or later and very hopefully and most probably the sensible majority will return to voting for the post non blairite, real socialist Labour.

[lapsedhibee]

May and Corbyn both in Brussels now. Imagine those two being the best we could send to represent the country. What an embarrassment.

Who is organising the sending of death threats to the likes of Dominic Grieve?

[DaveF]

The hypocrisy in this place is amusing. So at no point ever in he history of hibs.net has the personal life or misdemeanours of a Tory/Labour/Lid Dem or any party other than the SNP been brought up in debate unless it was strictly relevant to the subject being discussed. Yea OK.

Start another thread and discuss it then.

I was quite enjoying following this thread until that total zoomer jumped in.

[The Modfather]

The hypocrisy in this place is amusing. So at no point ever in he history of hibs.net has the personal life or misdemeanours of a Tory/Labour/Lid Dem or any party other than the SNP been brought up in debate unless it was strictly relevant to the subject being discussed. Yea OK.

Yes it has nothing to do with Brexit but it's not like he is the only one to ever have done it.

In isolation you have a point, but in the context of the poster it’s just boring trolling. I often don’t agree with what you say but at least, for the most part, you try to actually debate.

Ignsh seems to only have 3 modes, trolling, drunken slavering trolling or bot like slogans.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It has been for years. At least it's consistent.


for years ? so you were a long-time browser before you joined joh...i mean james, yes ? :)

[Tornadoes70]

The hypocrisy in this place is amusing. So at no point ever in he history of hibs.net has the personal life or misdemeanours of a Tory/Labour/Lid Dem or any party other than the SNP been brought up in debate unless it was strictly relevant to the subject being discussed. Yea OK.

Yes it has nothing to do with Brexit but it's not like he is the only one to ever have done it.

Correct.

Its only very mostly when a poster who doesn't support separation/independence is lambasted with nonsense. Not all snp/greens Hi bees indulge in the hypocrisy certainly but a good number do.

Its a great pity because I know for a fact there used to be a huge contingent of Hibs supporters who like me were staunch Labour and a number of them have switched to the snp which is just about on a par with the tories as they would impose unseen before swingeing cuts and unleash ever more cruel poverty in the event independence ever occurred.

[danhibees1875]

Did I just hear on the radio that the EU have agreed to extend to 22nd of may?

[CropleyWasGod]

Correct.

Its only very mostly when a poster who doesn't support separation/independence is lambasted with nonsense. Not all snp/greens Hi bees indulge in the hypocrisy certainly but a good number do.

Its a great pity because I know for a fact there used to be a huge contingent of Hibs supporters who like me were staunch Labour and a number of them have switched to the snp which is just about on a par with the tories as they would impose unseen before swingeing cuts and unleash ever more cruel poverty in the event independence ever occurred.

Would the Labour Party criminalise consensual polyamorous relationships?

Asking for a friend.

[PeeJay]

Did I just hear on the radio that the EU have agreed to extend to 22nd of may?

.... on the conditon that the MPs in Westminster agree to the deal - yes ...

[Callum_62]

Did I just hear on the radio that the EU have agreed to extend to 22nd of may?

Thats what the leaked draft notes suggests...pending WA approval via HoC


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[Hibbyradge]

The sooner a socialist led Labour is voted back in the better it will be for all of us not just here in Scotland but across the whole of the UK.

The snp/greens are a protest fad moment in time that will pass sooner or later and very hopefully and most probably the sensible majority will return to voting for the post non blairite, real socialist Labour.

Your childish trolling behaviour is designed to stop me from voting Labour.

[Moulin Yarns]

Did I just hear on the radio that the EU have agreed to extend to 22nd of may?

Yes. Any longer and the UK would have to take part in the EU election.

[Hibbyradge]

Correct.

Its only very mostly when a poster who doesn't support separation/independence is lambasted with nonsense. Not all snp/greens Hi bees indulge in the hypocrisy certainly but a good number do.

Its a great pity because I know for a fact there used to be a huge contingent of Hibs supporters who like me were staunch Labour and a number of them have switched to the snp which is just about on a par with the tories as they would impose unseen before swingeing cuts and unleash ever more cruel poverty in the event independence ever occurred.

I live in York. I couldn't vote for the SNP if I wanted to.

Your comments were pathetic and irrelevant, regardless of which party the person your tittle-tattle was about.

[Tornadoes70]

Would the Labour Party criminalise consensual polyamorous relationships?

Asking for a friend.

I don't have the foggiest.

Email the party and let us know the answer will you?

[Tornadoes70]

I live in York. I couldn't vote for the SNP if I wanted to.

Your comments were pathetic and irrelevant, regardless of which party the person your tittle-tattle was about.

That's your prerogative.

Plenty of posts on here are pathetic, petty and irrelevant including some past ones of your own, seems kinda weird your'e only focusing in on my posts.

[Tornadoes70]

Before I get launched.

Dave F is a moron.

Mon Labour and the Cabbage!!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Before I get launched.






that's teasing, but pleasing :agree: what will your next username be :hmmm:

[James310]

Before I get launched.

Dave F is a moron.

Mon Labour and the Cabbage!!!

😂 Hope you don't, keeps the abuse off me.

[DaveF]

Dave F is a moron

Thats hardly breaking news you fud.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't have the foggiest.

Email the party and let us know the answer will you?

I email them every day about Brexit, and get a different answer every time. :greengrin

[SHODAN]

EU approve an extension to late May if we approve a deal - notable contempt in the statement for us not requesting a longer extension. It can be done. Reject the deal, force her to resign, request a longer extension and get in people who want a deal that commands a majority in parliament.

If not, and this deal goes through.. Well, I hope the Tories have some sort of plan for when Millennials/Gen Z are the majority voting bloc because they've ****ed over our future and have made zero attempt to engage with us at all. They'll go extinct.

[weecounty hibby]

Before I get launched.

Dave F is a moron.

Mon Labour and the Cabbage!!!
Once again you are wrong. Everybody knows that Gordon is a moron!!

[weecounty hibby]

Thats hardly breaking news you fud.
🤣🤣👍👍

[Hibrandenburg]

Your childish trolling is definitely putting me off voting for Labour though.

I truly believe that's what he wants. I'm convinced he's an SNP troll.

[Hibbyradge]

That's your prerogative.

Plenty of posts on here are pathetic, petty and irrelevant including some past ones of your own, seems kinda weird your'e only focusing in on my posts.

You're the only person who has posted childish tittle-tattle.

Your posts are weird.

[Hibrandenburg]

EU approve an extension to late May if we approve a deal - notable contempt in the statement for us not requesting a longer extension. It can be done. Reject the deal, force her to resign, request a longer extension and get in people who want a deal that commands a majority in parliament.

If not, and this deal goes through.. Well, I hope the Tories have some sort of plan for when Millennials/Gen Z are the majority voting bloc because they've ****ed over our future and have made zero attempt to engage with us at all. They'll go extinct.

Not sure that's an option. The EU are tired of pissing about and just want to get on with running the day to day business. EU elections will either be with a fully involved UK or completely without the UK. Either way the situation will be clarified before. This circus has to stop.

[Hibbyradge]

I truly believe that's what he wants. I'm convinced he's an SNP troll.

He's a troll of some description, for sure.

I have a suspicion that at least one individual has numerous usernames and that they use different devices to post with which they carefully keep separate so the admin team can't catch them.

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me. :wink:

[ronaldo7]

Which publication was that?

I'd put money on, Scotland in Union. Selective quotes R us.

[Callum_62]

Real threat on no deal as apparently being the PMs preferred route if her deal doesn’t pass

Running down the clock and sleep walking to a no deal quotes don’t look so silly anymore


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[James310]

I'd put money on, Scotland in Union. Selective quotes R us.

Probably for another day and another thread but at the right time I would be interested in what you think, not a link to what someone else thinks, what currency an Independent Scotland would use.

As you stick religiously to the SNP edict then I guess like them you have gone from the Euro, keeping the Pound and now to the planned new Scottish currency being proposed and discussed at the conference. Third time lucky is it?

Maybe you can set up a new thread to tell us YOUR opinion.

[SHODAN]

Real threat on no deal as apparently being the PMs preferred route if her deal doesn’t pass

If that's the case then she will be remembered as the Prime Minister who destroyed Britain, however she tries to spin it. No one will forget.

[ronaldo7]

Probably for another day and another thread but at the right time I would be interested in what you think, not a link to what someone else thinks, what currency an Independent Scotland would use.

As you stick religiously to the SNP edict then I guess like them you have gone from the Euro, keeping the Pound and now to the planned new Scottish currency being proposed and discussed at the conference. Third time lucky is it?

Maybe you can set up a new thread to tell us YOUR opinion.

Ok Johnbc :aok:

[James310]

Ok Johnbc :aok:

🐔 Suspect we will never see it. You will need to wait to what you get told to say.

[ronaldo7]

🐔 Suspect we will never see it. You will need to wait to what you get told to say.

Give it a rest whoever you're playing tonight.

Is it John, James or Joan?

Stop Trolling, and keep the thread on track please. You could always go and make up another user name to try and cover your tracks. :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

🐔 Suspect we will never see it. You will need to wait to what you get told to say.

I'm not sure what you want from him, but you did say that, whatever it was, it was for another thread

[James310]

Give it a rest whoever you're playing tonight.

Is it John, James or Joan?

Stop Trolling, and keep the thread on track please. You could always go and make up another user name to try and cover your tracks. :aok:

😦

Trolling? Asking someone for their opinion. OK.

Look forward to your thoughts on such an important issue when you get the chance.

Have a good night.

[JeMeSouviens]

🐔 Suspect we will never see it. You will need to wait to what you get told to say.

Presumably you’ve already got the talking points at the ready?

Pound - omg Bank of England control!
Scots currency* - omg no stability, we *must* keep the pound!
Euro - omg Greece!

* remember to try and work in a pejorative potential name, eg. groat.

[ronaldo7]

😦

Trolling? Asking someone for their opinion. OK.

Look forward to your thoughts on such an important issue when you get the chance.

Have a good night.


Presumably you’ve already got the talking points at the ready?

Pound - omg Bank of England control!
Scots currency* - omg no stability, we *must* keep the pound!
Euro - omg Greece!

* remember to try and work in a pejorative potential name, eg. groat.

Personally, I don't give a gnats arse what currency we use in an Independent Scotland. The Dollar, Euro, Pound, Unicorn, Bawbee.

We'd be Independent though. :aok:

Oi, 310, please pass this onto, John, James, Joan, or Jakey, it'll save me opening a new thread. :aok:

[JeMeSouviens]

So Theresa went to Brussels and bombed again. Surprise! EU leaders hacked off she has no plan other than plough ahead with mv3.

So they are offering:

Extension to May 22
Deadline of April 11 for UK to decide to either

- leave May 22 no deal
- leave May 22 with current WA, possibly changes to PD
- ask for longer extension including euro elections and new plan

[Callum_62]

So Theresa went to Brussels and bombed again. Surprise! EU leaders hacked off she has no plan other than plough ahead with mv3.

So they are offering:

Extension to May 22
Deadline of April 11 for UK to decide to either

- leave May 22 no deal
- leave May 22 with current WA, possibly changes to PD
- ask for longer extension including euro elections and new plan

So we get an extra 2 weeks - whos up for MV 9?

[emoji23]


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[ronaldo7]

So Theresa went to Brussels and bombed again. Surprise! EU leaders hacked off she has no plan other than plough ahead with mv3.

So they are offering:

Extension to May 22
Deadline of April 11 for UK to decide to either

- leave May 22 no deal
- leave May 22 with current WA, possibly changes to PD
- ask for longer extension including euro elections and new plan

I've heard she took back control, and hid in another room, whilst the 27 decided our fate.

[Callum_62]

I've heard she took back control, and hid in another room, whilst the 27 decided our fate.

Its just her getting used to our role after we do leave [emoji102]


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[Callum_62]

Actually - we have next week to approve her deal

If not - we must tell them what’s happening by 11th April

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[Ozyhibby]

The sooner a socialist led Labour is voted back in the better it will be for all of us not just here in Scotland but across the whole of the UK.

The snp/greens are a protest fad moment in time that will pass sooner or later and very hopefully and most probably the sensible majority will return to voting for the post non blairite, real socialist Labour.

When was the last time a socialist led Labour government was elected?


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[Pretty Boy]

It's gone beyond parody. There really is nothing else to say.

[JeMeSouviens]

Actually - we have next week to approve her deal

If not - we must tell them what’s happening by 11th April

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That’s what I was trying to say above!

[JeMeSouviens]

The CBI & TUC have issued a joint press release telling May to get her **** together. End of days.

[JeMeSouviens]

I must admit I thought the march in London on saturday was going to be too late but turns out to be planning genius!

Be nice if a couple of million turn out. If it wasn’t 400 miles away I’d be looking at going myself now.

[JeMeSouviens]

In an address to the leaders described by one source as “90 minutes of nothing”, the prime minister failed to persuade leaders that she had a plan to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

90 mins of nothing - theme of the day!

[lapsedhibee]

Press conference now, May still talking as if her deal is the thing. Pitiful.

[Smartie]

I must admit I thought the march in London on saturday was going to be too late but turns out to be planning genius!

Be nice if a couple of million turn out. If it wasn’t 400 miles away I’d be looking at going myself now.

I've heard of a few marches being mentioned but my finger isn't anywhere near being on the pulse regarding any of this.

What marches are happening where, and in favour of what exactly?

[CropleyWasGod]

I must admit I thought the march in London on saturday was going to be too late but turns out to be planning genius!

Be nice if a couple of million turn out. If it wasn’t 400 miles away I’d be looking at going myself now.

I will be there. I'd like to say I'd planned it, but....😆

[JeMeSouviens]

I've heard of a few marches being mentioned but my finger isn't anywhere near being on the pulse regarding any of this.

What marches are happening where, and in favour of what exactly?

People’s vote rally in London this saturday.

[JeMeSouviens]

I will be there. I'd like to say I'd planned it, but....😆

Keep the Hibs-Remain end up! :greengrin

[Haymaker]

Bawbee.



Bawbags should be our independent currency.

"How much pal?"

"Four Bawbags please."

[Peevemor]

Bawbags should be our independent currency.

"How much pal?"

"Four Bawbags please."

Abbreviated to "Bawb" with an initial exchange rate of 20 to the pound.

[hibsbollah]

It's gone beyond parody. There really is nothing else to say.

From an aide to a EU leader, in the Guardian;

“Asked three times what she would do if she lost the vote, she couldn’t say. It was awful. Dreadful. Evasive even by her standards.”

When leaders asked May what she was going to do if her deal was voted down, an official added that the prime minister replied that she was following her plan A of getting it through. It was then that the EU decided that “she didn’t have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her”, the source added.

[James310]

Personally, I don't give a gnats arse what currency we use in an Independent Scotland. The Dollar, Euro, Pound, Unicorn, Bawbee.

We'd be Independent though. :aok:



Independance at any cost? Fair enough. To hang with the economic consequences and the potential damage to jobs and people's savings, as long as you can say your independent. (Of course one of your choices you don't care about of keeping the pound would have the BoE, a foreign central bank control the monetary policy, debt management and interest rates of our country so not really sure that's what most people would call Independance)

But at least we have your deep and meaningful insights on the subject now.

[James310]

From an aide to a EU leader, in the Guardian;

“Asked three times what she would do if she lost the vote, she couldn’t say. It was awful. Dreadful. Evasive even by her standards.”

When leaders asked May what she was going to do if her deal was voted down, an official added that the prime minister replied that she was following her plan A of getting it through. It was then that the EU decided that “she didn’t have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her”, the source added.

That's pretty damming. I think if she loses MV3 she will resign as she has said he does not want the UK to take part in the Euro elections, but if she loses and we still rule out no deal then we have no choice. She will walk and say she has done what she can, it's time for someone else to take it forward.

Who that is I don't know.

[grunt]

... the sensible majority will return to voting for the post non blairite, real socialist Labour.When was the last time in the UK that a majority voted for "real" socialist policies?

[grunt]

Bawbags should be our independent currency.

"How much pal?"

"Four Bawbags please.":greengrin

How many bawbees in a bawbag?

[Moulin Yarns]

:greengrin

How many bawbees in a bawbag?

Usually 2, but according to legend Hitler only had 1.

[hibsbollah]

When was the last time in the UK that a majority voted for "real" socialist policies?

Assuming by 'the majority', you mean the most popular party, not over 50% of voters, According to a telegraph poll, the answer is Monday this week :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

That's pretty damming. I think if she loses MV3 she will resign as she has said he does not want the UK to take part in the Euro elections, but if she loses and we still rule out no deal then we have no choice. She will walk and say she has done what she can, it's time for someone else to take it forward.

Who that is I don't know.

Step forward the glib and shameless liar Johnson. He can lie in Latin as well as English, which will be useful for clinching any trade deals we need to do with Ancient Rome.

[ronaldo7]

Independance at any cost? Fair enough. To hang with the economic consequences and the potential damage to jobs and people's savings, as long as you can say your independent. (Of course one of your choices you don't care about of keeping the pound would have the BoE, a foreign central bank control the monetary policy, debt management and interest rates of our country so not really sure that's what most people would call Independance)

But at least we have your deep and meaningful insights on the subject now.

From someone who can't even spell the thing he's supposed to be conversing about, says it all really.

Deep and meaningful right enough.

Something like strong and stable.

I'm sure we'll have time to discuss the many opportunities for, Scotland, in the future, meanwhile, say hello to your many handles for me. 😁

Now if you don't mind, I'd rather get back to see how fantastically well, your leader is doing with Brexit.

[James310]

From someone who can't even spell the thing he's supposed to be conversing about, says it all really.

Deep and meaningful right enough.

Something like strong and stable.

I'm sure we'll have time to discuss the many opportunities for, Scotland, in the future, meanwhile, say hello to your many handles for me. 😁

Now if you don't mind, I'd rather get back to see how fantastically well, your leader is doing with Brexit.
Brilliant, picking up on spelling mistakes now.

[ronaldo7]

Brilliant, picking up on spelling mistakes now.

Just keeping all of you right.

Have a great day folks.

[Hibernia&Alba]

An online petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU has gained over two million signatures in 24 hours!

[Callum_62]

An online petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU has gained over two million signatures in 24 hours!

Sitting at just shy of 2.7million

From what i see it hit 100,000 just 2 days ago

Actually the site kept crashing yesterday, no doubt from the sheer volume of traffic

It took hours for me to get the email with the confirmation link - id expect a big bump today because of the delays yesterday


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[ronaldo7]

Sitting at just shy of 2.7million

From what i see it hit 100,000 just 2 days ago

Actually the site kept crashing yesterday, no doubt from the sheer volume of traffic

It took hours for me to get the email with the confirmation link - id expect a big bump today because of the delays yesterday


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A fantastic response. Let's hope it keeps going.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Sitting at just shy of 2.7million

From what i see it hit 100,000 just 2 days ago

Actually the site kept crashing yesterday, no doubt from the sheer volume of traffic

It took hours for me to get the email with the confirmation link - id expect a big bump today because of the delays yesterday


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Over one thousand signatures per minute. Must be a world record.

[Callum_62]

Its quite interesting as you can break it down via the map into constituencies etc

Very interesting to see the breakdown by area of who’s signing it

I dont believe for a second that it needs
To get to 17million to mean anything - its a petition with no campaign etc, getting many millions of signatures definitely should mean something in parliament


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[danhibees1875]

Its quite interesting as you can break it down via the map into constituencies etc

Very interesting to see the breakdown by area of who’s signing it

I dont believe for a second that it needs
To get to 17million to mean anything - its a petition with no campaign etc, getting many millions of signatures definitely should mean something in parliament


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It looks like you can also break it down by country. I'm not sure if that makes it less legitimate or not though - the UK contribution is 1.26m. I can't remember if it asked for your country, or if that's based on the IP address of signing the petition or not though.

[Callum_62]

It looks like you can also break it down by country. I'm not sure if that makes it less legitimate or not though - the UK contribution is 1.26m. I can't remember if it asked for your country, or if that's based on the IP address of signing the petition or not though.

Didnt ask for your country or location

Assuming it uses IP address

Where can you break it down by country?


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[stokesmessiah]

Didnt ask for your country or location

Assuming it uses IP address

Where can you break it down by country?


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It asks for your postcode !

[Callum_62]

It asks for your postcode !

Haha so it does! Totally don’t remember filling that out

It also asked for your country [emoji23]


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[grunt]

Here's a tracker

https://t.co/59rVx02Weo

[Hibbyradge]

2.9m

[Sergio sledge]

Here's a tracker

https://t.co/59rVx02Weo

Maybe I've missed something, but the totals on that table are not anywhere near the 3m signatures on the petition. It is just over 1.2m. Is that wrong or are there a large number of signatures from outside the UK? in which case would it not be pretty irrelevant from Parliaments point of view?

[JeMeSouviens]

Top twitter trolling from Leo Varadkar :greengrin



Good to meet up with the Norwegian, Icelandic and Liechtenstein PMs. All in the single market for 25 years but not in the EU. Sensible solutions are possible once red lines don’t restrict them

[Peevemor]

3m+ signatures now.

[grunt]

Maybe I've missed something, but the totals on that table are not anywhere near the 3m signatures on the petition. It is just over 1.2m. Is that wrong or are there a large number of signatures from outside the UK? in which case would it not be pretty irrelevant from Parliaments point of view?Good question. No idea.

[Jack Hackett]

Maybe I've missed something, but the totals on that table are not anywhere near the 3m signatures on the petition. It is just over 1.2m. Is that wrong or are there a large number of signatures from outside the UK? in which case would it not be pretty irrelevant from Parliaments point of view?

I'm in Spain on short holiday and signed from here on my phone. I'm pretty sure a lot of ex-pats will have done the same... giving themselves a voice they were denied in the referendum

[JeMeSouviens]

Maybe I've missed something, but the totals on that table are not anywhere near the 3m signatures on the petition. It is just over 1.2m. Is that wrong or are there a large number of signatures from outside the UK? in which case would it not be pretty irrelevant from Parliaments point of view?

The raw data is here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json

The timestamp says it's current but you can't sign without giving a country and the country totals don't add up to anywhere near 3M. They are, as you'd expect in dribs and drabs from outside the UK. Next biggest is France at 10 thousand odd. I suspect they've switched off some of the updating to stop the server crashing.

[Jack Hackett]

Here's a tracker

https://t.co/59rVx02Weo

The average signings of nearly 13.5K PER MINUTE is staggering

[Slavers]

The average signings of nearly 13.5K PER MINUTE is staggering

How many are bots though?

[Jack Hackett]

How many are bots though?

I have no idea... But I'm sure you'll have a Globalist theory to help explain

[Hibbyradge]

How many are bots though?

None.

[Jack Hackett]

None.

Except in what passes as a 'thought process' in a clearly addled mind

[Ozyhibby]

Step forward the glib and shameless liar Johnson. He can lie in Latin as well as English, which will be useful for clinching any trade deals we need to do with Ancient Rome.

Johnson would win a vote among the Tory party membership but there are enough remain Torys who would jump ship to the TIG’s to make sure he would not be prime minister.


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[Ozyhibby]

How many are bots though?

The need for email confirmation rules out the bots.


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[lapsedhibee]

Johnson would win a vote among the Tory party membership but there are enough remain Torys who would jump ship to the TIG’s to make sure he would not be prime minister.

But what if polls in the country show only Boris as leader could stop Jezza becoming PM? Not as if there's any other standout candidates. I suspect Tories would accept absolutely anyone to prevent a Lab majority.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Top twitter trolling from Leo Varadkar :greengrin

Aye, except the Brextremists reject membership of the single market and customs union, and the racist element will not accept the free movement of people said membership requires.

[Ozyhibby]

But what if polls in the country show only Boris as leader could stop Jezza becoming PM? Not as if there's any other standout candidates. I suspect Tories would accept absolutely anyone to prevent a Lab majority.

Polls don’t show that though. I don’t think Corbyn could even beat May. And he’s already lost to her once although he and his supporters seem to think of that as some kind of success.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Polls don’t show that though. I don’t think Corbyn could even beat May. And he’s already lost to her once although he and his supporters seem to think of that as some kind of success.


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Was just about to post the same. I could just about beat Corbyn as Tory leader and I'd be running on a platform of "vote for me: my party are all *******s". :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Polls don’t show that though. I don’t think Corbyn could even beat May. And he’s already lost to her once although he and his supporters seem to think of that as some kind of success.


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It actually was a success. The right wing press were on all out attack against Corbyn and all the talk was of a massive Tory majority, perhaps over one hundred seats. Instead the Labour vote increased significantly and the Tories lost seats, becoming a minority government. He managed to completely upset the narrative of that election. Since then May has destroyed any credibility she had via the Brexit mess, and I think Labour would win a general election held today.

[lapsedhibee]

Polls don’t show that though. I don’t think Corbyn could even beat May. And he’s already lost to her once although he and his supporters seem to think of that as some kind of success.



Was just about to post the same. I could just about beat Corbyn as Tory leader and I'd be running on a platform of "vote for me: my party are all *******s". :greengrin

Who's your money on for the Bot Replacement then?

[JeMeSouviens]

Who's your money on for the Bot Replacement then?

In descending order of likelihood, my guesses are Hunt, Gove, Raab, Javid. Although the way they're going - don't rule out Chris ****ing Grayling. :greengrin

There's something oddly reassuring about the Tories being led by a Hunt. :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Who's your money on for the Bot Replacement then?

Given the Tory divisions over Brexit, it's difficult to picture someone they could unite around or who is capable. I think someone like Dominic Grieve is a serious thinker, but he's a prominent remainer and would be completely unacceptable to the Tory right wing.

[Ozyhibby]

Who's your money on for the Bot Replacement then?

Johnson will win any leadership contest but the will be GE straight after because his majority will be wiped out with defections. Johnson would beat Corbyn but there is still time for labour to switch horse as well.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Given the Tory divisions over Brexit, it's difficult to picture someone they could unite around or who is capable. I think someone like Dominic Grieve is a serious thinker, but he's a prominent remainer and would be completely unacceptable to the Tory right wing.

Imagine Grieve vs Starmer. A meaningful debate might break out!

[JeMeSouviens]

Johnson will win any leadership contest but the will be GE straight after because his majority will be wiped out with defections. Johnson would beat Corbyn but there is still time for labour to switch horse as well.


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He'd probably win among the membership but I can't see Tory MPs putting Johnson in the final 2. Loads of them absolutely hate him.

[lapsedhibee]

Imagine Grieve vs Starmer. A meaningful debate might break out!
Wouldn't there have to be something they disagreed on for that to happen?

[Ozyhibby]

Imagine Grieve vs Starmer. A meaningful debate might break out!

If Labour could switch to Yvette Cooper they would likely get elected with a thumping majority.


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[JeMeSouviens]

The FT are reporting May has decided to actively try for No Deal if (when) parliament rejects MV3.

https://www.ft.com/content/c1bb68fa-4bed-11e9-bbc9-6917dce3dc62

Do Tory remainers have the guts to stop her?

[Ozyhibby]

DUP have just announced they won’t back her deal.


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[McSwanky]

If Labour could switch to Yvette Cooper they would likely get elected with a thumping majority.


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Ed Balls in number 10? :offski:

[Hibernia&Alba]

DUP have just announced they won’t back her deal.


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The DUP says no to a proposal? Surely not :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Ed Balls in number 10? :offski:
Should work. Far better dancer than the current incumbent.

[Sergio sledge]

The raw data is here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json

The timestamp says it's current but you can't sign without giving a country and the country totals don't add up to anywhere near 3M. They are, as you'd expect in dribs and drabs from outside the UK. Next biggest is France at 10 thousand odd. I suspect they've switched off some of the updating to stop the server crashing.

Thanks, interesting stuff!

[Colr]

DUP have just announced they won’t back her deal.


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If everything is on the table for indicative votes a united Ireland should be included. That would deal with the border backstop issue and serve the conniving orange *******s right at the same time.

They would self-immolate with indignation.

[Tornadoes70]

It actually was a success. The right wing press were on all out attack against Corbyn and all the talk was of a massive Tory majority, perhaps over one hundred seats. Instead the Labour vote increased significantly and the Tories lost seats, becoming a minority government. He managed to completely upset the narrative of that election. Since then May has destroyed any credibility she had via the Brexit mess, and I think Labour would win a general election held today.

At long last. Another Hi bee says what I've been saying for some time now.

:top marks

Mon Labour!!!

[Pretty Boy]

The cynical part of me thinks a 'forced' no deal outcome wasn't far removed from one of May's preferred outcomes all along.

A wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Moulin Yarns]

At long last. Another Hi bee says what I've been saying for some time now.

:top marks

Mon Labour!!!

What has that got to do with the terrible snp? Asking for a friend.

[Since90+2]

A wolf in sheep's clothing.

Never thought I'd see Theresa May being described as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

She is simply incompetent and genuinely the worst PM this country has ever had.

Absolutely no chance she has contrived these events to get to the end game of no deal. None.

[danhibees1875]

I actually feel a bit sorry for Theresa May in that she had an impossible job and has found it impossible. I'm not really sure what she/anyone could have done differently other than going to either extreme and crashing out with a no deal or cancelling Brexit.

What's the likelihood of the following:

MV3 voted down
EU want an answer by 12th April
We ask for/got a long extension (presumably that's a year or 2?)
TM resigns, or otherwise there's a call for a General election
Labour back a second referendum if in power
Labour win election
Second referendum
Remain wins

[Smartie]

I actually feel a bit sorry for Theresa May in that she had an impossible job and has found it impossible. I'm not really sure what she/anyone could have done differently other than going to either extreme and crashing out with a no deal or cancelling Brexit.

What's the likelihood of the following:

MV3 voted down
EU want an answer by 12th April
We ask for/got a long extension (presumably that's a year or 2?)
TM resigns, or otherwise there's a call for a General election
Labour back a second referendum if in power
Labour win election
Second referendum
Remain wins

I don't feel sorry for her.

Everyone knew it was an impossible job, but she couldn't resist the once in a lifetime opportunity to take a job that is so far above her level of competence that it is laughable.

Anyone with any sense knew not to touch it with a barge pole. History will not treat her kindly.

[Colr]

I don't feel sorry for her.

Everyone knew it was an impossible job, but she couldn't resist the once in a lifetime opportunity to take a job that is so far above her level of competence that it is laughable.

Anyone with any sense knew not to touch it with a barge pole. History will not treat her kindly.

I don’t feel sorry for her. It was always an impossible gig but the way she has gone about it has not even attempted to be inclusive and has furthered division.

We should not have been surprised given she was the architect of the windrush scandal.

[Callum_62]

It was a very difficult job - made impossible by her stupid immediate red lines, and total stubbornness in listening to anyone else

Il never feel sorry for her since the billboards and her introducing the “financial requirement” for non EU immigrants


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[BroxburnHibee]

Her 'red lines' have caused this fiasco.

That and her utter refusal to include the 48% in any discussion.

No sympathy whatsoever for her.

[McD]

No sympathy at all.

ignored the 48%, more focussed on trying to keep the Tory party in one piece than finding the best solution, drew her red lines rather than looking for the best solution, manipulated parliament around voting for her deal to run down the clock (whether this was intentional or not, it’s what she’s done), refused to include parliament in developing solutions, continually spoken down to MPs and the public as if we are all too stupid to understand or co tribute towards this, had a hissy fit on Wednesday night blaming everyone but herself.

her stewardship has been an absolute car crash

[James310]

I am not sure I understand this ignore the 48%. If this had been IndyRef and it was 51/49 to Yes then I can't imagine Salmond and the rest going well we will sort of have a kind of Independence and keep certain things and government departments as part of the UK as we don't want to ignore the 49%. I imagine a few on here would not be happy and be the Scottish equivalent of the hard line Brexiteers.

I don't disagree she has made a total mess of it but how do you keep everyone happy, its probably impossible.

[Jack Hackett]

My sympathy is always reserved for those deserving of it. So many positions in life now appear to be filled by people who know how to write a good cv rather than the actual skill required to do a job competently. Biting off more than you can chew impacts more than your own ego

[lapsedhibee]

Never thought I'd see Theresa May being described as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

She is simply incompetent and genuinely the worst PM this country has ever had.

Absolutely no chance she has contrived these events to get to the end game of no deal. None.

Agree. Don't even think that at any point during the whole sorry saga she's ever had any genuine interest in Brexit, either way. Her interest has been the health of the Tory Party, pure and simple. Utterly disgraceful way to treat the office of Prime Minister.

[Colr]

Only Corbyn would have made a bigger bollocks of the process

[Smartie]

I am not sure I understand this ignore the 48%. If this had been IndyRef and it was 51/49 to Yes then I can't imagine Salmond and the rest going well we will sort of have a kind of Independence and keep certain things and government departments as part of the UK as we don't want to ignore the 49%. I imagine a few on here would not be happy and be the Scottish equivalent of the hard line Brexiteers.

I don't disagree she has made a total mess of it but how do you keep everyone happy, its probably impossible.

Sounds a bit like devolution.

The Scottish equivalent of the hard line Brexiteers are those "power back to Westminster" unionists who would rather we didn't have our own parliament at all.

The rest of us have simply continued to debate the merits of the powers that still rest at Westminster continuing to do so, as is appropriate.

Many disagree with this, but I think the losing side of the Independence referendum have behaved perfectly appropriately - a few marches, a bit of debate and nothing sinister. People don't change their opinions overnight and have had to accept the result, but they are perfectly entitled to continue to look for evidence that backs up their opinion as they continue that debate, evidence such as Scotland standing on the brink of being removed from the EU against it's will.

[HiBremian]

I am not sure I understand this ignore the 48%. If this had been IndyRef and it was 51/49 to Yes then I can't imagine Salmond and the rest going well we will sort of have a kind of Independence and keep certain things and government departments as part of the UK as we don't want to ignore the 49%. I imagine a few on here would not be happy and be the Scottish equivalent of the hard line Brexiteers.

I don't disagree she has made a total mess of it but how do you keep everyone happy, its probably impossible.

Keep the pound?
Allow trident to stay for xx years?
Ensure an open border?

Almost certainly plenty of other offers, as it would be in an Indy Scotland’s interest to do so. This kind of reveals the laughable comparisons between Brexit and Indy. The former is all about shutting out others and erecting borders. The latter is about a better, more tolerant and open nation.


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[Jack Hackett]

I note with interest that Corbyn has declined to attend today's anti brexit rally.

I for one won't forget this.

[Pretty Boy]

I note with interest that Corbyn has declined to attend today's anti brexit rally.

I for one won't forget this.

Is there a Leave march? Any sign of a white haired man with a hat and dark sunglasses lingering near the back?

[James310]

Keep the pound?
Allow trident to stay for xx years?
Ensure an open border?

Almost certainly plenty of other offers, as it would be in an Indy Scotland’s interest to do so. This kind of reveals the laughable comparisons between Brexit and Indy. The former is all about shutting out others and erecting borders. The latter is about a better, more tolerant and open nation.


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Taking control, making our own decisions? Which one is that from?

[lapsedhibee]

Is there a Leave march? Any sign of a white haired man with a hat and dark sunglasses lingering near the back?
Still a week from London. Not due before 29th, to coincide with Leaving day (shame).

[HiBremian]

Taking control, making our own decisions? Which one is that from?

Yes both. But I would suggest a bit of clarity before generalising. The sovereignty of member nations within the EU is indisputable, for example. Give Scotland similar sovereignty within the UK - like choosing to have a referendum without needing permission - and we can start to compare like with like.


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[marinello59]

I note with interest that Corbyn has declined to attend today's anti brexit rally.

I for one won't forget this.

He can’t because he is pro-Brexit.

[JeMeSouviens]

Yes both. But I would suggest a bit of clarity before generalising. The sovereignty of member nations within the EU is indisputable, for example. Give Scotland similar sovereignty within the UK - like choosing to have a referendum without needing permission - and we can start to compare like with like.


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What would be the point now though? We can get all the international co-operation we need through our own membership of the EU. The UK is well past its sell by date.

[HiBremian]

What would be the point now though? We can get all the international co-operation we need through our own membership of the EU. The UK is well past its sell by date.

And clearly better trade deal negotiators.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Still a week from London. Not due before 29th, to coincide with Leaving day (shame).

Not really sure it qualifies as a “march”, more like a minibus load of ramblers.

The Ramble Against Remain - £50 well spent I’m sure!

[JeMeSouviens]

And clearly better trade deal negotiators.


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With a hu*****us portfolio of deals. Something to reflect on when we’re munching on chlorine washed chicken burgers and kissing goodbye to employment protections.

[Jack Hackett]

He can’t because he is pro-Brexit.

That's as may be, but technically it's a 'People's Vote' protest, which he's (reluctantly) given his backing to... at least I think he has, but his enthusiasm seems to depend on wind direction

[JeMeSouviens]

PV march organisers saying they’ve got a million there.

[HiBremian]

PV march organisers saying they’ve got a million there.

Where’s the dot counters when you need them!


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[lapsedhibee]

PV march organisers saying they’ve got a million there.

Though BBC News Channel recently reporting as "tens of thousands". Also interviewing John Redwood, who sounded as if his head was about to explode. Not about the march, just in general.

[Jack Hackett]

I'm watching a live stream coming from a helicopter on Euronews. The sheer numbers are staggering... way way more imo than the march in October. Comparing this with FauxRage's little protest is like comparing people at a bus stop with a cup final crowd at the Maracana

[Just Alf]

I'm watching a live stream coming from a helicopter on Euronews. The sheer numbers are staggering... way way more imo than the march in October. Comparing this with FauxRage's little protest is like comparing people at a bus stop with a cup final crowd at the Maracana

It's been changed in the reporting, I guess the BBC were pulled up about it, on the BBC report, when I first read it there was reporting of the crowds in London, then it moved onto Farrage rejoining the march and leading the "CROWDS" through the village.... Oh how Iaughed!... I see crowds has been changed in their report to marchers which more closely reflects the difference between 200 or so and a million or so....

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[marinello59]

That's as may be, but technically it's a 'People's Vote' protest, which he's (reluctantly) given his backing to... at least I think he has, but his enthusiasm seems to depend on wind direction

I’m not too sure what he has openly backed either.

[hibsbollah]

He can’t because he is pro-Brexit.

Only in the sense that he campaigned against Brexit and voted against Brexit! The Labour Party's position on Brexit is totally consistent and is a matter of record. Him being there or not being there doesn't really matter in the broader scheme of things.

[marinello59]

Only in the sense that he campaigned against Brexit and voted against Brexit! The Labour Party's position on Brexit is totally consistent and is a matter of record. Him being there or not being there doesn't really matter in the broader scheme of things.

You really believe Corbyn is against Brexit?

[Colr]

You really believe Corbyn is against Brexit?

If only there was some kind of technology where one could quickly search and find his anti-eu speeches.

This is a total Tory **** upand only his incompetance is stopping a Labour government sorting it out.

He HASto go

[hibsbollah]

You really believe Corbyn is against Brexit?

Now? He's obviously trying to ride two horses at the same time.

[weecounty hibby]

Now? He's obviously trying to ride two horses at the same time.
And falling off both! If he had a coherent position and stuck with it I think he would seem more credible. Spent his career as a protestor and being anti EU.

[hibsbollah]

If only there was some kind of technology where one could quickly search and find his anti-eu speeches.

This is a total Tory **** upand only his incompetance is stopping a Labour government sorting it out.

He HASto go

I suspect these searches will send you a pre prepared link to selected speeches only. All the evidence is that he is indifferent on the EU. It's more accurate to say he thinks its a distraction, and would take either Remain or Leave happily if it made a Labour Government more likely.

But as events unfold in relation to Brexit, I'm finding his position and his performances increasingly hard to defend, especially in the last week or so.

[weecounty hibby]

Kind of what I'm getting at above. How can he be indifferent to Brexit, it's the single biggest political issue for probably 70+ years. The fact you think he he would take leave/remain as long as Labour are ok makes him as bad as May who is doing the same to keep the Tory party together

[Ozyhibby]

Kind of what I'm getting at above. How can he be indifferent to Brexit, it's the single biggest political issue for probably 70+ years. The fact you think he he would take leave/remain as long as Labour are ok makes him as bad as May who is doing the same to keep the Tory party together

He’ll be remembered as the guy who couldn’t beat Theresa May in an election and that’s about it. A total nobody.


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[hibsbollah]

Kind of what I'm getting at above. How can he be indifferent to Brexit, it's the single biggest political issue for probably 70+ years. The fact you think he he would take leave/remain as long as Labour are ok makes him as bad as May who is doing the same to keep the Tory party together

I didn't say he's indifferent to Brexit, I said he was indifferent to the EU. This was the public position of most MPs (and probably most of the public as well); you didn't get good media coverage by being unquestionably enthusiastic about everything coming out of the EU. When Corbyn was asked about his enthusiasm for the EU and he went 'erm, probably 7/10', he was actually probably being both honest, and probably reflective of wider opinion. There was a lot of fake and manufactured outrage about this comment of course.

And actually there are still lots of MPs for whom Brexit isn't the only game in town. It's allowed a lot of massively important domestic policy problems to fall off the political radar.

[Colr]

Now? He's obviously trying to ride two horses at the same time.

He’s on record saying he’s anti-EU.

His position is a masterclass in equivocation.

[hibsbollah]

He’s on record saying he’s anti-EU.

His position is a masterclass in equivocation.

:confused:
It's certainly equivocation. And equivocation is a useful tool for a politician. But I wouldn't say he's putting on a masterclass in it.

[Ozyhibby]

Times are saying that there is a coup underway tonight and that May will be gone by Monday with Gove likely to take over temporarily. Not sure how that works with Tory party rules?


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[Colr]

PV march organisers saying they’ve got a million there.

It was very much busier than last time.

[Pretty Boy]

Times are saying that there is a coup underway tonight and that May will be gone by Monday with Gove likely to take over temporarily. Not sure how that works with Tory party rules?


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Big step up for Gove from his current role which I've always assumed as being to make sure Boris Johnson is only ever the 2nd biggest **** in the room

[Moulin Yarns]

Times are saying that there is a coup underway tonight and that May will be gone by Monday with Gove likely to take over temporarily. Not sure how that works with Tory party rules?


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Tim Shipman twitter says lots of options for interim leaders but lots not backing some of the candidates. Gove, Hunt, Lidlington.

Talk seems to be she will be out beginning of April.

[lapsedhibee]

Times are saying that there is a coup underway tonight and that May will be gone by Monday with Gove likely to take over temporarily. Not sure how that works with Tory party rules?


May can resign or be persuaded to resign anytime, she just can't be voted out for a while yet.

But Gove?

Lidington might salvage something out of the ****show, but not Govey.

[Ozyhibby]

Mail on Sunday saying the same. Gove in charge and ready to do a deal with Labour to stay in CU and SM.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Take a look at Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound): https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound?s=09

[Ozyhibby]

I actually think Gove is one of the more competent in the cabinet. A right twat though.


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[Mibbes Aye]

I actually think Gove is one of the more competent in the cabinet. A right twat though.


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:agree:

While I don’t share his beliefs, when you evaluate the Tories you have to step back from instinctive repulsion and hatred and carry out some cold-blooded analysis.

Gove drove through a lot of the changes he wanted at Education. Not changes I would ever have voted for but changes that the teaching unions were against, as it seems were a lot of the ‘gone native’ civil servants. He was certainly prepared to push for (his kind of) reform.

He made some reasonably progressive changes at Justice and likewise at Environment.

I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the hot seat but in terms of ability he has probably outshone almost all his Cabinet colleagues.

He is also probably one of the brightest members of May’s Cabinet. It is easy to resort to calling him this, that and the other but at the end of the day, he is a strong candidate - but maybe not popular enough in his party, or amongst the membership, I’m not sure.