Gray is out of his depth’

[Paulie Walnuts]

But how do you define "backing David Gray to the hilt"?

We turn up in decent numbers, the number that went to Dingwall the other night deserving of special credit. The fans aren't turning their back on the team and that is absolutely to their credit.

But disquiet on here suggesting he's not good enough after 10 league games... is backing someone for 10 games then deciding he's not up to scratch really backing him to the hilt?

There are different ways for fans and for boards to back a manager. I sincerely hope the numbers continue to turn up and that the team gives them something to celebrate soon.

I'm more concerned about how the board back the manager. Again, that can be done in different ways. It can be by providing funds for players but can also be by not reacting to calls for the manager's head throughout a difficult spell.

We’ve won 1 league game in 10. Questions are going to be asked of him. He’s been backed to the hilt by all quarters for me and trying to pin any of the blame for this shambles on the fans, never mind an equal share as you suggested, to deflect from the job he’s doing is laughable.

[Scotty Leither]

If the fans had as much influence as you suggest, then surely we would have been signing decent players and bringing in people who know what they are doing with managing the team and overseeing our football operations?

Instead we get Malky Mackay, the current host of untested coaches and a large number of new signings who have failed to make sufficient impact.

Yup…

The fans in Kensell and Gordon’s eyes are measured in £££££, and MacPherson has publicly said he thinks we’re all stupid for not understanding the great job the same Kensell is doing.

[21May16]

What happened the day after the first chants to get Jack Ross out appeared at Livingston?

What happened the day after the first chants to get Lee Johnson reared their heads at Easter Road when we lost to Livingston?

What happened the week after it got really ugly for Monty when we lost badly at home to Aberdeen in April / May just gone?


I mean, if we could just chant and the 2014 / 2015 version of Scott Allan hitting his stride happened to appear and play for us then I'd be all over that, but unfortunately the only way we seem to be able to impact change is by calling for our manager's head, and I think we need to be a bit careful with the frequency with which we go there.

Ron Gordon wanted Ross gone.

Did he listen to the Johnson gtf after the hertz Scottish cup game? No.

The support of our club that still pack our stadium is absolutely tremendous despite the **** show year after year on the pitch culminating on where we are now - again because of the people running the club.

[Unseen work]

What happened the day after the first chants to get Jack Ross out appeared at Livingston?

What happened the day after the first chants to get Lee Johnson reared their heads at Easter Road when we lost to Livingston?

What happened the week after it got really ugly for Monty when we lost badly at home to Aberdeen in April / May just gone?


I mean, if we could just chant and the 2014 / 2015 version of Scott Allan hitting his stride happened to appear and play for us then I'd be all over that, but unfortunately the only way we seem to be able to impact change is by calling for our manager's head, and I think we need to be a bit careful with the frequency with which we go there.

The chants of Johnson and Monty to go weren’t just after those games though, people were disliking them for months.

Should Monty or Maloney have got more time? Johnson id say deserved longer, I think how he came across annoyed the fans more than the actual football

What about Butcher? Should he have got the summer to rebuild the Hibs team and an opportunity to take us back up?

Did the board listen to the fans?

[Smartie]

Not with this one, with these results. Folk already had reservations, more than I can remember with any other, about him even getting the job.

I hope we get some results. We can’t let the months roll on still being where we are in the league.

I think we’re in a difficult situation here. We badly need results, which I badly hope we get. I think those results would just be a sticking plaster though, I just don’t see what Gray is trying to build and develop. We need to get some results first and foremost, I just can’t see it being a successful long term appointment with what we’re seeing though.

What would it be a sticking plaster being applied to though? The need for a new manager or the need for new players?

If it was applied to hide the need for new players and led to any sort of "cobble through to the end of the season with what we've got" thoughts then I agree that it would be a disastrous sticking plaster.

Wins now would totally, completely and utterly change the complexion of the context of the season. We're not far from mid table and many of our games have been tight games, the narrative very quickly changes.

I share the concerns that those wins may not come, albeit it appears I disagree with the majority on the cause of our problems and what needs to be done to correct the situation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ron Gordon wanted Ross gone.

Did he listen to the Johnson gtf after the hertz Scottish cup game? No.

The support of our club that still pack our stadium is absolutely tremendous despite the **** show year after year on the pitch culminating on where we are now - again because of the people running the club.

People also wanted Ross out much earlier than he was. People wanted him out after his first bad run, which despite what people would have you believe, wasn’t the one that got him sacked. So the Gordon’s certainly didn’t jump in at the first sign of discontent.

[21May16]

Yup…

The fans in Kensell and Gordon’s eyes are measured in £££££, and MacPherson has publicly said he thinks we’re all stupid for not understanding the great job the same Kensell is doing.

Anyone at this time that thinks the people running the club give one shiney ***** what the average punter thinks are nuts. They know best, that’s the attitude. Look at the state of the club shop even, do they care? Not at all as long as us fools continue to plunge the cash in.

[21May16]

People also wanted Ross out much earlier than he was. People wanted him out after his first bad run, which despite what people would have you believe, wasn’t the one that got him sacked.

I don’t think it was very vocal until Livingston but you are right. It was the excuse needed for the geniuses to sack him before a cup final.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think it was very vocal until Livingston but you are right. It was the excuse needed for the geniuses to sack him before a cup final.

He went on a run of 7 games where he won 1, drew 1, lost 5. The final run of those 7 games saw us get our ***** felt in a 3-0 drubbing at Hampden to knock us out a cup that we were favourites to win.

It may not have been vocal at the games, but there was loads of fans wanted rid of him after that run. The board didn’t fold at that point so I’m not sure how much weight the argument the fans caused his sacking carries.

[superfurryhibby]

What happened the day after the first chants to get Jack Ross out appeared at Livingston?

What happened the day after the first chants to get Lee Johnson reared their heads at Easter Road when we lost to Livingston?

What happened the week after it got really ugly for Monty when we lost badly at home to Aberdeen in April / May just gone?


I mean, if we could just chant and the 2014 / 2015 version of Scott Allan hitting his stride happened to appear and play for us then I'd be all over that, but unfortunately the only way we seem to be able to impact change is by calling for our manager's head, and I think we need to be a bit careful with the frequency with which we go there.

I agree about the number of managerial changes, it hasn't helped.

I think you are disregarding the impact of poor performances on the sackings. Ross can feel hard done by. He wasn't adequately backed and our squad lacked quality to see him through a tricky spell

Johnson was erratic and his teams seemingly weren't performing to the level of the players we had.

Maloney and Monty were both out of their depth and should probably have never been appointed in the first place, a bit like David Gray.

The board are hardly pandering to fans whims, although the might use this as mitigation for their own disastrous decision making.

Your comment about Scott Allan is rather silly though, it's not really helping. I think the point is why don't we sign some quality players instead of a bunch of lower leaguers and guys who are way past their sell by dates, is that not what the fans demand?

[Centre Hawf]

So Gray just keeps doing the same until we get these 2-3 players in January ?

It’s his job to win football games. He’s had 12-15 games, numerous training sessions, signed a whole team and yet we are worse than last season.

If we win on Sunday and go on a run everyone will be happy. But as we’ve seen so far, that’s unlikely to happen.

If there were any positives people would buy into it and give him time. There are literally none. Other than who he is.

Any other manager with his record at any other team in the league would be gone by now. As Hearts and St Johnstone have shown. That’s before you throw in getting beat off Kelty Hearts.

David Gray shouldn’t be getting to learn on the job at Hibs because of who he is.

So far he has shown absolutely nothing to suggest he knows what he’s doing or that he’ll turn this around.

It’s all the “entitled pricks” fault though 👍🏼

If you make the change at manager now you're still going to get Josh Campbell/Harry McKirdy/NMW all coming off the bench. This current situation would be a disaster for an experienced manager let alone a rookie. I'm not even really defending David Gray at this point as I do honestly agree that we've been boring to watch and the results have been poor. But I've watched enough over the last few years now to know the rot was set in years ago because of how utterly atrocious our recruitment has consistently been now for about four years and this is the culmination of that.

I just don't think changing the manager unless in 4/5/6 games time we think we're in a really really bad place in regards to relegation is going to solve anything, for once I'd like to maybe see us push beyond the initial bad run or poor form to see if we can build literally anything resembling consistency at this football club and maybe go do something for the next couple of seasons rather than worry about finishing 7th versus 9th this year.

If the results keep going down the way and we're still sitting with 1 win after the next three game or so then I admit SDG can't have any complaints if he's let go. But I will hand on heart say to you now that whatever ****ing chump this lot appoint in his place will be having the same conversations about them come Spring because this squad is cat meat.

[Smartie]

He went on a run of 7 games where he won 1, drew 1, lost 5. The final run of those 7 games saw us get our ***** felt in a 3-0 drubbing at Hampden to knock us out a cup that we were favourites to win.

It may not have been vocal at the games, but there was loads of fans wanted rid of him after that run. I also don’t really recall much vocal demanding of sackings for Maloney and Montgomery either.

Were those not covid times, so harder to assess any sort of clamour to get a manager punted, as we weren't allowed in grounds?

Livingston was notable because that was the time it properly turned with fans present.

It's hard to know what to make of what goes on online - whether this site, twitter or facebook really represent anything, and whether anybody there should be listened to or everybody simply ignored.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Were those not covid times, so harder to assess any sort of clamour to get a manager punted, as we weren't allowed in grounds?

Livingston was notable because that was the time it properly turned with fans present.

It's hard to know what to make of what goes on online - whether this site, twitter or facebook really represent anything, and whether anybody there should be listened to or everybody simply ignored.

It probably would have been now you mention it.

I’m still not aware of any major vocal demands to remove Maloney and Montgomery though and they done it anyway. So I’m not buying that it was the fans at Livingstons fault that Ross got sacked. He was sacked for going on ANOTHER bad run. And one that was never looking likely to improve imo.

[Trinity Hibee]

Managers live and die by results. End of.

The fact we have inexperienced people in charge at the club won’t be helping.

David Gray needs to start getting wins or he’ll be sacked because he hasn’t been able to get results. The start to this season has been completely unacceptable

[Smartie]

I agree about the number of managerial changes, it hasn't helped.

I think you are disregarding the impact of poor performances on the sackings. Ross can feel hard done by. He wasn't adequately backed and our squad lacked quality to see him through a tricky spell

Johnson was erratic and his teams seemingly weren't performing to the level of the players we had.

Maloney and Monty were both out of their depth and should probably have never been appointed in the first place, a bit like David Gray.

The board are hardly pandering to fans whims, although the might use this as mitigation for their own disastrous decision making.

Your comment about Scott Allan is rather silly though, it's not really helping. I think the point is why don't we sign some quality players instead of a bunch of lower leaguers and guys who are way past their sell by dates, is that not what the fans demand?

Ok, maybe so. My point was about how fans can make their presence felt... and it appears to me too often to be in order to get managers removed.

Re the quality players bit - I think Ekpiteta is starting to show his worth and is a good player for us now. Bowie showed great promise during his early appearances. We've probably not seen enough of Nicky Cadden yet to make a proper judgment there but he's had some promising moments and Dwight Gayle has been reasonable in his outings. Unpopular opinion - these have been decent sigings, by and large and these are our permanent signings, albeit the contract for Gayle is a short one. Jury's out a bit on O'Hora and Iredale but tbh I could see both being acceptable.

The raft of loan signings? Mixed bag, some peculiar choices, some successes and some failures.

With any manager, sporting director and recruitment team there will be a % of successes and a % of failures. My issue with what we have is that given what we started with, it's probably about where we'd expect it to be given we were losing players like Marcondes and Maolida.

Who are the players getting most heat for our problems this season? Lewis Miller, McKirdy, Campbell, Newell, Youan had been getting a bit, Boyle not as good as he used to be. Obita sold the jerseys at Killie, had a wobbly start to the season before improving. These are all inherited players. I question whether or not all these players are needing is a manager with "a plan".


I honestly think we've got to be careful where we assign culpability for our current problems, who represents being a possible part of the solution and who needs chased out at the earliest opportunity.

[The Modfather]

What happened the day after the first chants to get Jack Ross out appeared at Livingston?

What happened the day after the first chants to get Lee Johnson reared their heads at Easter Road when we lost to Livingston?

What happened the week after it got really ugly for Monty when we lost badly at home to Aberdeen in April / May just gone?


I mean, if we could just chant and the 2014 / 2015 version of Scott Allan hitting his stride happened to appear and play for us then I'd be all over that, but unfortunately the only way we seem to be able to impact change is by calling for our manager's head, and I think we need to be a bit careful with the frequency with which we go there.

The fans are calling for more than just the manager, be it Ross, Maloney, Johnson, Montgomery or Gray, to go. We want Ian Gordon to step away from the running of the football side, we want Kensell to do similar. We want the Black Knights to do an actual review of the football side of things and get a lot more hands on. It can’t work both ways, the fans criticised for their calls for a manager to be sacked being listened to while all their other calls are ignored.

Our latest re-structure looks like it needs ripped up once again in the near future. Which doesn’t come as a surprise to anyone as everything that happened from the review and this summer felt like the Black Knights getting involved was a dream and didn’t actually happen.

It is early days, so there’s some management of expectations to be had in terms of what we can expect to see have seen from the link up by now. However can we point to anything that looks different to Kensel and Gordon making all the decisions? From sacking Montgomery. To having another vague review. To appointing a DOF, who coincidentally was free and the chairman’s friend. To hiring Gray, who was free and doing the role for the first time. To creating a new position of Technical Director, who coincidentally was our keeper retiring and free, to bringing in a management team that were also either already here or were being promoted to doing their role at this level for the first time. Through to recruitment, what players can we point to that we wouldn’t have targeted or been aware of previously?

[One Day Soon]

If he gets time and proves himself to be inadequate, then no.

If the angry mob start howling again and the trigger happy mob in our boardroom react, AGAIN?

At some point we need to take a bit of responsibility for our own role in things.

There is a large cast list of well salaried clowns at Easter Road with varying degrees of responsibility for this **** show. ZERO responsibility lies with the support. Absolutely none.

[Trinity Hibee]

There is a large cast list of well salaried clowns at Easter Road with varying degrees of responsibility for this **** show. ZERO responsibility lies with the support. Absolutely none.

I don’t believe anyone actually thinks the fans are responsible. I think those that intimate that are actually just frustrated that so many on here are being negative. Just to be clear I am not criticising anyone for being hacked off at what is going on. It’s pish!

[J-C]

On Sunday the majority of our better play came down the left from Obita, Youan and Hoilett. Boyle doesn't get involved enough due to Miller being pish unable to pass the ball.

[FilipinoHibs]

On Sunday the majority of our better play came down the left from Obita, Youan and Hoilett. Boyle doesn't get involved enough due to Miller being pish unable to pass the ball.

Yuan is coming back from a long layoff and injury. Improving with every game. Sure Boyle has been affected by the cast, he needs time as well. Agree about Miller, atrocious balance and poor passer.

[J-C]

Yuan is coming back from a long layoff and injury. Improving with every game. Sure Boyle has been affected by the cast, he needs time as well. Agree about Miller, atrocious balance and poor passer.
I was happy with Youan, he's getting better with more minutes in him, I think Boyle works better with Cadden.

[superfurryhibby]

Ok, maybe so. My point was about how fans can make their presence felt... and it appears to me too often to be in order to get managers removed.

Re the quality players bit - I think Ekpiteta is starting to show his worth and is a good player for us now. Bowie showed great promise during his early appearances. We've probably not seen enough of Nicky Cadden yet to make a proper judgment there but he's had some promising moments and Dwight Gayle has been reasonable in his outings. Unpopular opinion - these have been decent sigings, by and large and these are our permanent signings, albeit the contract for Gayle is a short one. Jury's out a bit on O'Hora and Iredale but tbh I could see both being acceptable.

The raft of loan signings? Mixed bag, some peculiar choices, some successes and some failures.

With any manager, sporting director and recruitment team there will be a % of successes and a % of failures. My issue with what we have is that given what we started with, it's probably about where we'd expect it to be given we were losing players like Marcondes and Maolida.

Who are the players getting most heat for our problems this season? Lewis Miller, McKirdy, Campbell, Newell, Youan had been getting a bit, Boyle not as good as he used to be. Obita sold the jerseys at Killie, had a wobbly start to the season before improving. These are all inherited players. I question whether or not all these players are needing is a manager with "a plan".


I honestly think we've got to be careful where we assign culpability for our current problems, who represents being a possible part of the solution and who needs chased out at the earliest opportunity.

The only signing that has been a success for me is Hoilett, and even then he's not played that often.

Ekpiteta looks functional , no more.

O'Hora hasn't looked the part, I think Rocky can feel a bit hard done by with not starting given the level of performance (from the two above).

Gayle has scored a goal, beyond that he's not made a huge impression and now looks like he's going to be out for a spell.

Iredale-no impact.

Nicky Cadden- no impact, injury hasn't helped.

Bowie-signed when injured, injured again.

Bursik-looks rank.

Kwon-done little to impress me.

Triantis-done little to impress me.

Kuhareyvich-immobile and hasn't impressed.

When that is the sum of the summer signings and the team was already struggling, what can you realistically expect? Add that to the dearth of quality already here and it's pretty clear why we are near the bottom. This is on the board. They failed to spend the money from BK's wisely. Fans are reacting to watching the dross on the field and I doubt our reaction is any different from any other fans of a biggish fish in a small pond.

The board have made blunder after blunder, with managers, moneyball signings, crap sporting directors, performance directors. They are culpable.

Our fans are showing loyalty, backing the side home and away in decent numbers.

[andrew70]

On Sunday the majority of our better play came down the left from Obita, Youan and Hoilett. Boyle doesn't get involved enough due to Miller being pish unable to pass the ball.


Yuan is coming back from a long layoff and injury. Improving with every game. Sure Boyle has been affected by the cast, he needs time as well. Agree about Miller, atrocious balance and poor passer.

I’ve read a lot of stuff on here that makes me chuckle but to blame Miller for Boyle’s brutal showings takes the biscuit and that’s quite the accolade in this day and age of .net.

Miller is not pish, as you say, he regularly finds Boyle with passes but his poor touch and inability to run with the ball is the reason he/we lose it.

As for atrocious balance 😂 as of 28th Oct he was the most fouled player in the league and he ranked high for the most interceptions.

Miller is a young player who performs consistently at international level yet he can’t pass or stand up. Honestly baffles me what people watch.

He gets absolutely zero support off Boyle, he gets up and down the line to good effect, it can be better no doubt (crossing and final action) but that will come as he continues to play but we urgently need a RW that can play football.

Boyle is done at this level. His pace was his only asset until Lennon refined him but he’s less interested than the much maligned Youan.

Lewis Miller is a good footballer who is suffering, like most, from a lack of confidence given the pressure on him it’s understandable. He’s the no.1 target just now but that’s Hibs fans for you.

Had a good game on Wednesday but he needs support like all the team from
the experienced players and most especially the numpties in the “Leadership Group”.

[21May16]

I’ve read a lot of stuff on here that makes me chuckle but to blame Miller for Boyle’s brutal showings takes the biscuit and that’s quite the accolade in this day and age of .net.

Miller is not pish, as you say, he regularly finds Boyle with passes but his poor touch and inability to run with the ball is the reason he/we lose it.

As for atrocious balance 😂 as of 28th Oct he was the most fouled player in the league and he ranked high for the most interceptions.

Miller is a young player who performs consistently at international level yet he can’t pass or stand up. Honestly baffles me what people watch.

He gets absolutely zero support off Boyle, he gets up and down the line to good effect, it can be better no doubt (crossing and final action) but that will come as he continues to play but we urgently need a RW that can play football.

Boyle is done at this level. His pace was his only asset until Lennon refined him but he’s less interested than the much maligned Youan.

Lewis Miller is a good footballer who is suffering, like most, from a lack of confidence given the pressure on him it’s understandable. He’s the no.1 target just now but that’s Hibs fans for you.

Had a good game on Wednesday but he needs support like all the team from
the experienced players and most especially the numpties in the “Leadership Group”.

Miller is an absolute dreadful footballer. On the ball and off the ball. Shocking.

[Benny Brazil]

I’ve read a lot of stuff on here that makes me chuckle but to blame Miller for Boyle’s brutal showings takes the biscuit and that’s quite the accolade in this day and age of .net.

Miller is not pish, as you say, he regularly finds Boyle with passes but his poor touch and inability to run with the ball is the reason he/we lose it.

As for atrocious balance 😂 as of 28th Oct he was the most fouled player in the league and he ranked high for the most interceptions.

Miller is a young player who performs consistently at international level yet he can’t pass or stand up. Honestly baffles me what people watch.

He gets absolutely zero support off Boyle, he gets up and down the line to good effect, it can be better no doubt (crossing and final action) but that will come as he continues to play but we urgently need a RW that can play football.

Boyle is done at this level. His pace was his only asset until Lennon refined him but he’s less interested than the much maligned Youan.

Lewis Miller is a good footballer who is suffering, like most, from a lack of confidence given the pressure on him it’s understandable. He’s the no.1 target just now but that’s Hibs fans for you.

Had a good game on Wednesday but he needs support like all the team from
the experienced players and most especially the numpties in the “Leadership Group”.

Sorry Andrew but disagree - Miller is a right back who simply cannot defend and has zero awareness of teammates and opposition players on the pitch

[Tyler Durden]

I’ve read a lot of stuff on here that makes me chuckle but to blame Miller for Boyle’s brutal showings takes the biscuit and that’s quite the accolade in this day and age of .net.

Miller is not pish, as you say, he regularly finds Boyle with passes but his poor touch and inability to run with the ball is the reason he/we lose it.

As for atrocious balance 😂 as of 28th Oct he was the most fouled player in the league and he ranked high for the most interceptions.

Miller is a young player who performs consistently at international level yet he can’t pass or stand up. Honestly baffles me what people watch.

He gets absolutely zero support off Boyle, he gets up and down the line to good effect, it can be better no doubt (crossing and final action) but that will come as he continues to play but we urgently need a RW that can play football.

Boyle is done at this level. His pace was his only asset until Lennon refined him but he’s less interested than the much maligned Youan.

Lewis Miller is a good footballer who is suffering, like most, from a lack of confidence given the pressure on him it’s understandable. He’s the no.1 target just now but that’s Hibs fans for you.

Had a good game on Wednesday but he needs support like all the team from
the experienced players and most especially the numpties in the “Leadership Group”.

He's not a good footballer. His passing is poor, his positioning is poor, he is regularly beaten in 1 vs 1s, regularly loses his man. He's not very good at the basics. I don't see that as a harsh assessment in the slightest.

Playing for Australia is irrelevant btw, they are garbage.

[Unseen work]

Re miller and Boyle on the same side I can see why people think it has a negative impact on Boyle

Firstly Miller struggles to pass the ball over 10 yards. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one of his passes in behind come off, they’re either way too straight, massively overhit and quite regularly sclaffed out the park.

Paul McGinn for example, imo, was very good at those sort of passes in behind for Boyle.

I think Millers game should be give the ball to Boyle as early as possible and then use his athleticism to offer an overlap, underlap or just an option to pop it back to.

Instead Miller often runs right up the park and closes the space for Boyle. He’ll give it to a man who is right up against him, or more regularly cut inside, try Meg someone or dive.

Miller just needs to simplify his game for me.

Boyle also needs to be playing much better and demand the ball more.

I miss the days when Nisbet would drop deep and I immediately clip it out to Boyle who was in acres

[Centre Hawf]

I’ve read a lot of stuff on here that makes me chuckle but to blame Miller for Boyle’s brutal showings takes the biscuit and that’s quite the accolade in this day and age of .net.

Miller is not pish, as you say, he regularly finds Boyle with passes but his poor touch and inability to run with the ball is the reason he/we lose it.

As for atrocious balance 😂 as of 28th Oct he was the most fouled player in the league and he ranked high for the most interceptions.

Miller is a young player who performs consistently at international level yet he can’t pass or stand up. Honestly baffles me what people watch.

He gets absolutely zero support off Boyle, he gets up and down the line to good effect, it can be better no doubt (crossing and final action) but that will come as he continues to play but we urgently need a RW that can play football.

Boyle is done at this level. His pace was his only asset until Lennon refined him but he’s less interested than the much maligned Youan.

Lewis Miller is a good footballer who is suffering, like most, from a lack of confidence given the pressure on him it’s understandable. He’s the no.1 target just now but that’s Hibs fans for you.

Had a good game on Wednesday but he needs support like all the team from
the experienced players and most especially the numpties in the “Leadership Group”.

I watched him pass it out the park during the derby when attempting a simple 5 yard pass. He is total garbage.

[Groathillgrump]

Miller is a young player who performs consistently at international level yet he can’t pass or stand up. Honestly baffles me what people watch

I'm genuinely baffled that you don't see his poor passing and his regular falling over. :confused:

[LaMotta]

It probably would have been now you mention it.

I’m still not aware of any major vocal demands to remove Maloney and Montgomery though and they done it anyway. So I’m not buying that it was the fans at Livingstons fault that Ross got sacked. He was sacked for going on ANOTHER bad run. And one that was never looking likely to improve imo.

But, after the first bad run he turned it around and we finished third in league and got to another cup final. Most managers will go on bad runs - its just what happens in football. The difference is that Ross had some pretty good runs too.

[McD]

What would it be a sticking plaster being applied to though? The need for a new manager or the need for new players?

If it was applied to hide the need for new players and led to any sort of "cobble through to the end of the season with what we've got" thoughts then I agree that it would be a disastrous sticking plaster.

Wins now would totally, completely and utterly change the complexion of the context of the season. We're not far from mid table and many of our games have been tight games, the narrative very quickly changes.

I share the concerns that those wins may not come, albeit it appears I disagree with the majority on the cause of our problems and what needs to be done to correct the situation.


You’ve said (at least some of) the fans will be equally to blame if Gray gets the sack. What can the fans do to have us score more goals, concede less goals, and generally be a better side?


The fans have been giving fantastic backing home and way to gray and to the players, and haven’t let anyone down. The situation we’re in is not the cause of our problems. Whilst David Gray isn’t the only cause, he’s a contributor to the situation as it stands. He sets the training, the tactics, the coaching, the game management and the substitutions. If the players are so poor that they can’t perform to what he’s looking for (which I doubt), then the onus is on him to adapt what he wants in order to win football matches.

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t think sacking Gray should be the first thing we do. We should hand over the running of the football dept to the BK’s and if they then decide that Mackay and Gray should go then so be it.
Sacking Gray now and letting Gordon and Kensall be involved in another appointment would be catastrophic.
Let Foley and his team have a chance.


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[eastmainsmsh]

I watched him pass it out the park during the derby when attempting a simple 5 yard pass. He is total garbage.

BTW just shows how long much a clue they have when they let Paul Mcginn go

[Paulie Walnuts]

But, after the first bad run he turned it around and we finished third in league and got to another cup final. Most managers will go on bad runs - its just what happens in football. The difference is that Ross had some pretty good runs too.

The second bad run that saw him sacked was truly horrific and imo just never looked like something he was turning round.

Regardless of the merits of sacking Ross though, two things I’d say is that it absolutely wasn’t the fault of the fans he got sacked. And it wasn’t his first bad run as is regularly claimed :agree:

[Since452]

Let's just hope we pull another Myziane Maolida out the bag in January or we're headed for the championship as we probably would have been last season without him.

[CapitalGreen]

Let's just hope we pull another Myziane Maolida out the bag in January or we're headed for the championship as we probably would have been last season without him.

I’d prefer the players were just coached better on how to attack. Teams above us with no better attacking options seem to manage fine without someone of Maolida’s quality.

[Hibees1973]

Doesn't fill me with much hope each match day seeing a coaching group of David Gray, Eddie May & Liam Craig on the touchline.

Much as Gray has clearly been out of his depth so far, he has little support with him. Mind you, he did pick these guys.

Almost as much hope as when I see Lewis Miller in the line up.

[CJHibby]

SDG is not 'out of his depth' but needs to get his team playing with more verve and intensity. We are too pedestrian and scared of not winning at the end of games we lead in.

[Stuart93]

We’re one win away from clicking supposedly

That’s fine then

[blackpoolhibs]

The only signing that has been a success for me is Hoilett, and even then he's not played that often.

Ekpiteta looks functional , no more.

O'Hora hasn't looked the part, I think Rocky can feel a bit hard done by with not starting given the level of performance (from the two).

Gayle has scored a goal, beyond that he's not had a huge impression and now looks like he's going to be out for a spell.

Iredale-no impact.

Nicky Cadden- no impact, injury hasn't helped.

Bowie-signed when injured, injured again.

Bursik-looks rank.

Kwon-done very little to impress me.

Triantis-done very little to impress me.

Kuhareyvich-immobile and not hasn't impressed.

When that is the sum of the summer signings and the team was already struggling, what can you realistically expect? Add that to the dearth of quality already here and it's pretty clear why we are near the bottom. This is on the board. They failed to spend the money from BK's wisely. Fans are reacting to watching the dross on the field and I doubt our reaction is any different from fans of a biggish fish in a small pond.

The board have made blunder after blunder, with managers, moneyball signings, crap sporting directors, performance directors. They are culpable.

Our fans are showing loyalty, backing the side home and away in decent numbers.

Oh i know one poster that will disagree with all that. :faf:

[Unseen work]

https://x.com/stanalysis/status/1852077891808563700?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

New St Johnston manager has quickly changed how they play by alll accounts, good clip above of them playing out from the back, switching play and creating a chance

[Unseen work]

We’re one win away from clicking supposedly

That’s fine then

I was surprised when he said he never understood why fans would be nervous at this weekend

[21May16]

Oh i know one poster that will disagree with all that. :faf:

That wouldn’t be me then 😁 he’s absolutely spot on.

[Mainstandman]

https://x.com/stanalysis/status/1852077891808563700?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

New St Johnston manager has quickly changed how they play by alll accounts, good clip above of them playing out from the back, switching play and creating a chance

Pity they got pumped 3-1

[21May16]

Pity they got pumped 3-1

Aye they are a shambles 🙈

[Ozyhibby]

Aye they are a shambles [emoji85]

They manage to be a shambles for a lot less money than it’s costing us though. Bet they don’t even have a performance director or whatever made up job title Marshall is using.


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[21May16]

They manage to be a shambles for a lot less money than it’s costing us though. Bet they don’t even have a performance director or whatever made up job title Marshall is using.


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Sorry I was being sarcastic 🙈

[c31]

He needs to swallow his pride and get some experience in to help him or he will be sacked. The club cannot risk getting anywhere near relegation. There’s plenty of older managers who I assume would be up for a short term deal to give him and the players some confidence.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

He needs to swallow his pride and get some experience in to help him or he will be sacked. The club cannot risk getting anywhere near relegation. There’s plenty of older managers who I assume would be up for a short term deal to give him and the players some confidence.

Neil Francis Lennon

[NC1875]

Neil Francis Lennon

Await the 🎣

[Ozyhibby]

My own preference would be McInnes but I now think it’s pointless thinking of names now because likely the BK’s pick our next manager and I doubt that will be someone local.


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[Donegal Hibby]

I have no preferences if the worst comes to the worst though I hope we win on Sunday and turn things around.

[One Day Soon]

Neil Francis Lennon

Beautiful cast, magnificent rod action.

[Stairway 2 7]

My own preference would be McInnes but I now think it’s pointless thinking of names now because likely the BK’s pick our next manager and I doubt that will be someone local.


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I hope so

[Greenio]

If we were playing good football or we could see what he’s trying to do I’d tend to agree we’ll win eventually but we’re not.

The footballs crap and we’re not winning games. There’s nothing enjoyable about that and I doubt it’s suddenly going to change

I think we have played some good football at times.

I dont think it will suddenly change either. Stopping making daft individual errors is something that can change quickly yho.... So that would be a logical place to start!

[joe breezy]

Juan Neil in Spain is apparently available

Plays that Italian style of football where you get the lead and then boss possession and defend vigorously - Juventus have won leagues that way


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[Pedantic_Hibee]

Beautiful cast, magnificent rod action.

I was being genuinely serious as well 😂

[hibsbollah]

You’ve said (at least some of) the fans will be equally to blame if Gray gets the sack. What can the fans do to have us score more goals, concede less goals, and generally be a better side?


The fans have been giving fantastic backing home and way to gray and to the players, and haven’t let anyone down. The situation we’re in is not the cause of our problems. Whilst David Gray isn’t the only cause, he’s a contributor to the situation as it stands. He sets the training, the tactics, the coaching, the game management and the substitutions. If the players are so poor that they can’t perform to what he’s looking for (which I doubt), then the onus is on him to adapt what he wants in order to win football matches.

Slightly off topic, but i’m not sure i agree with this. If you look at attendance figures, its holding up well. I wouldn’t describe it as ‘fantastic backing’ though, whether thats G7 being outsung at home by hearts identikit ultra group, pockets of mr angries bellowing abuse at individual players they dont like, the chants and singing frequency, and decibel level which is nowhere near where it was previously. Plus this recent thing (cos it absolutely IS a recent thing; that if you’re not winning at HT, boo them off).

Online, folk have their favorites and stick to their narrative regardless of what’s happening on the pitch. Those that want Gray out now seem to KNOW they are in the right and want to let everyone know as loudly and frequently as possible. If i was involved with the club id never even look on here, far less twitter or other places.

Is it the fans fault? No. But collectively we’re not great at supporting the team at the moment and id be surprised if thats helping matters.

[Unseen work]

Interesting Nicky Cadden says in his interview this week that before the county game they’d have probably took a point.

Surely irrespective of form we still go to places like County and want 3??

He also says the games he’s been watching he’s been thinking we’re a really good team and dominating most games.

I suppose it’s at least good hearing how positively he speaks and that he seems to have faith in the current set up

Edit - you know what, after listening to the interview I’ve flipped and I’m backing SDG, looking for positives from previous game and convincing myself we’re winning the next two games before the break. Hiiiiiibeeeees

[Springbank]

Beautiful cast, magnificent leeann action.
I think he fell out with Dempster not Petrie

[Jones28]

Neil Francis Lennon

Hope you’ve got your landing net ready 😂

I think Lennon might be the only Hibs manager whose middle name gets used.

Apart from Terry ****ing Butcher of course.

[Greenio]

Interesting Nicky Cadden says in his interview this week that before the county game they’d have probably took a point.

Surely irrespective of form we still go to places like County and want 3??

He also says the games he’s been watching he’s been thinking we’re a really good team and dominating most games.

I suppose it’s at least good hearing how positively he speaks and that he seems to have faith in the current set up

Edit - you know what, after listening to the interview I’ve flipped and I’m backing SDG, looking for positives from previous game and convincing myself we’re winning the next two games before the break. Hiiiiiibeeeees

Players say what needs to be said in those interviews

But i agree. I feel theres a switch that is due to be flicked with this team and i think its just about getting 3 points under our belt today!!!

[The Rebel]

Players say what needs to be said in those interviews

But i agree. I feel theres a switch that is due to be flicked with this team and i think its just about getting 3 points under our belt today!!!

I think we’ll struggle for 3 points today

[One Day Soon]

I think we’ll struggle for 3 points today

Hard agree, I just can’t see it happening.

[Scottie]

I think we’ll struggle for 3 points today
Or tomorrow :greengrin

[Allant1981]

I think we’ll struggle for 3 points today

As long as we get 3 tomorrow that's all that matters

[Greenio]

I think we’ll struggle for 3 points today

Oh aye!

Well, tomorrow then!

[JohnM1875]

I've calmed down after the derby and Wednesday, and I'm now fully back on the SDG train.

He really needs to start getting a performance out of the team though and I'm hoping that starts tomorrow.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I've calmed down after the derby and Wednesday, and I'm now fully back on the SDG train.

He really needs to start getting a performance out of the team though and I'm hoping that starts tomorrow.

It’s results he needs rather than performances. We’ve had some decent performances but not the result so far and that’s what resulted in this repetitive “told you all along” type thread.

[Hibees1973]

2 points adrift at the bottom of the league now.

Two high pressure home games against Dundee Utd & St Mirren coming up.

If we are still bottom this time next week we need no more evidence that Gray is not up to the job and must be sacked.

[AdidasHibernian]

See all these people saying they feel sorry for him and he needs new players etc in January, you do realise he has brought 12 players in over the summer?

I want him to succeed as much as anyone, but as others have touched on there is no plan with the way he wants to play its obvious to see. His subs alone is mental in games.

[JohnM1875]

See all these people saying they feel sorry for him and he needs new players etc in January, you do realise he has brought 12 players in over the summer?

I want him to succeed as much as anyone, but as others have touched on there is no plan with the way he wants to play its obvious to see. His subs alone is mental in games.

Tend to agree on the player front. Definitely been backed, more so than I thought he would be. Triantis and Myko are players Gray wanted as well. Add Kwon into the mix who looks a player and Hoilett who's been a stand out so far.

[Unseen work]

Next two games at home.

Win those and we have the potential to go into the break in 6th.

C’mon Hibs

[Since452]

Really hope we win tomorrow and its the start of a decent run. If we don't win, or god forbid lose, then I don't see what good prolonging the agony would be. Huge game for Gray.

[DinkyTwo]

Tomorrow is huge for Gray. Like many others, I don't want to keep chopping and changing managers, but being relegated would be worse than admitting that its the wrong time for SDG to be leading the team.

We need to see an improved style of play and most importantly, a win. I am not feeling too optimistic about that happening, but tomorrow is another (and possibly final) opportunity to start turning things around.

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[21May16]

See all these people saying they feel sorry for him and he needs new players etc in January, you do realise he has brought 12 players in over the summer?

I want him to succeed as much as anyone, but as others have touched on there is no plan with the way he wants to play its obvious to see. His subs alone is mental in games.

He didn’t bring 12 players in.

[1875M]

Tomorrow is very important if Gray intends to be here at the end of the season. Changing manager again is not good for anyone, but it’s less costly that this club getting relegated. We must take points from the next 2 games for Gray to convince me he’s the right man. Don’t even think we look that bad defensively, it’s when we get the ball in the middle and final third, we look clueless and no clear style or identity. I have a lot of respect for the man, he embodies everything that Hibs employees should be, hard working, professional and loyal but that doesn’t mean he gets a free pass.

[04Sauzee]

He didn’t bring 12 players in.

11 plus Gayle who joined outwith the window.

[21May16]

11 plus Gayle who joined outwith the window.

And how many of them do you think he was responsible for? I’ll go three.

[K-Zazu]

And how many of them do you think he was responsible for? I’ll go three.

Triantis and Myko definitely, not sure about the others. Holliet would have something to do with Samson being at Aberdeen at the same time.

[21May16]

Triantis and Myko definitely, not sure about the others. Holliet would have something to do with Samson being at Aberdeen at the same time.

There’s your three.

[AdidasHibernian]

And how many of them do you think he was responsible for? I’ll go three.

Even so.. He has 12 new faces.

Regardless of who he wants and gets as a manager your job is also to make the players you inherit better. He has knew better than anyone what our weak points have been. SDG has been here long enough. It's on him to try and bring the best out the players as well regardless let's be honest.

[neil7908]

And how many of them do you think he was responsible for? I’ll go three.

Depends what you mean by responsible. My understanding is that Hibs manager has final say over recruitment and can say no if he doesn't fancy a player - are you staying the other 9 are players he didn't want?

Our recruitment has been abysmal for years but the manager has to take his share of the blame about our current position, regardless of whether he is a Hibs legend.

[Hibees1973]

And how many of them do you think he was responsible for? I’ll go three.

Eh? only three.

What kind of structure do you think we have.

Surely any football club that is run properly all the new players have to be approved by manager who picks the team.

[Unseen work]

And how many of them do you think he was responsible for? I’ll go three.

I’d say if he never suggested them, he’d 100% have signed off/been happy with

Triantis
Myk
Bowie
Hoilet
Gayle
Kwon

[21May16]

I’d say if he never suggested them, he’d 100% have signed off/been happy with

Triantis
Myk
Bowie
Hoilet
Gayle
Kwon

There’s a difference between being happy and who he wanted. Three players he wanted he got. And they all have one thing in common.

[21May16]

Depends what you mean by responsible. My understanding is that Hibs manager has final say over recruitment and can say no if he doesn't fancy a player - are you staying the other 9 are players he didn't want?

Our recruitment has been abysmal for years but the manager has to take his share of the blame about our current position, regardless of whether he is a Hibs legend.

SDG doesn’t get the final say in the majority of transfers despite what the club feeds us. No player on a long term contract was a player he actively wanted. I’m not fussed if I get the how do I know making it up comments but to say he signed 11-12-13 players is completely untrue and if you think there was no players SDG wanted he didn’t get you would be incorrect too.

We should be doing better with the squad of players we have though. There’s no excuse for that. Absolutely nowhere near a top four team. Everyone’s expectations have lowered this season already and it’s completely no good enough. Game changing investment my arse. Any update on the dome yet anyone?

[04Sauzee]

And how many of them do you think he was responsible for? I’ll go three.

Not a clue? Does he have the last day in who comes in the door? Still doesn't take away that there are 12 new players in the building.

[04Sauzee]

SDG doesn’t get the final say in the majority of transfers despite what the club feeds us. No player on a long term contract was a player he actively wanted. I’m not fussed if I get the how do I know making it up comments but to say he signed 11-12-13 players is completely untrue and if you think there was no players SDG wanted he didn’t get you would be incorrect too.

We should be doing better with the squad of players we have though. There’s no excuse for that. Absolutely nowhere near a top four team. Everyone’s expectations have lowered this season already and it’s completely no good enough. Game changing investment my arse. Any update on the dome yet anyone?
You don't think he wanted Bowie?

[Unseen work]

There’s a difference between being happy and who he wanted. Three players he wanted he got. And they all have one thing in common.

So he wanted 3 and got all 3? That’s good going no?

What’s the one thing the 3 they have in common?

The rumours of him wanting Beck and McCowan are all well and good, but they were quite clearly out our range.

But that’s the strategy we, and most clubs in the world, have. We need a left winger for example, he’ll be given a list of players to pick from.

So many times I’ve read on here we need a structure so that it doesn’t all rely on one manager picking players and when they move it completely changes when a new manager is appointed.

We can’t then moan at that happening.

[JohnM1875]

So he wanted 3 and got all 3? That’s good going no?

What’s the one thing the 3 they have in common?

The rumours of him wanting Beck and McCowan are all well and good, but they were quite clearly out our range.

But that’s the strategy we, and most clubs in the world, have. We need a left winger for example, he’ll be given a list of players to pick from.

So many times I’ve read on here we need a structure so that it doesn’t all rely on one manager picking players and when they move it completely changes when a new manager is appointed.

We can’t then moan at that happening.

Exactly. It's a ridiculous argument.

No manager/head coach is ever going to get all the players they want in. That includes the big boys of world football.

Gray has absolutely been backed.

[Scotty Leither]

So he wanted 3 and got all 3? That’s good going no?

What’s the one thing the 3 they have in common?

The rumours of him wanting Beck and McCowan are all well and good, but they were quite clearly out our range.

But that’s the strategy we, and most clubs in the world, have. We need a left winger for example, he’ll be given a list of players to pick from.

So many times I’ve read on here we need a structure so that it doesn’t all rely on one manager picking players and when they move it completely changes when a new manager is appointed.

We can’t then moan at that happening.

Then using that rationale it’s who is picking these players is the problem, because this transfer window it looks like once again those doing the sourcing of the personnel wouldn’t know a decent player if they kicked them in the arse.

[hibees 7062]

Why don’t we tell the Falkirk owner we want their manager? Like Utd done

[MWHIBBIES]

And how many of them do you think he was responsible for? I’ll go three.

All of them. The manager is part of the recruitment team.

[Unseen work]

Then using that rationale it’s who is picking these players is the problem, because this transfer window it looks like once again those doing the sourcing of the personnel wouldn’t know a decent player if they kicked them in the arse.

Well again it’s a bit of both. We might give Gray 3 options and he picks the worst one.

I actually think recruitment in the summer was decent. I think alot of the players;

Ekpiteta
O’Hora
Kwon
Triantis
Hoilett
Myk
Gayle
Bowie

Are good in their own right. The problem with this team, and imo the problem for years, has been the balance.

I think it’s been rectified alot over the summer albeit we’re sorely missing a number 10. Now again could that have been McCowan? We’re told he was the only other midfielder we wanted, did the recruitment give SDG other options but he said he never wanted any of them?

Another position would be a number 6 like Aberdeen have in Nilsen. But maybe SDG doesn’t want that type? He wants all 3 to be 6ft plus, mobile and comfortable on the ball.

There’s so many unknowns it’s hard to tell.

An example though is SDG picking Triantis over Bonke Innocent, a 28 year old CDM who has 4 caps for Nigeria and played for Lillestrom, Malmo and Lorient….pretty good calibre of player a show me to us that we said no to.

I think the only player I would class as a poor signing is Bursik, not seen enough of Smith, Iredale or Cadden to comment on them. Smith id say poor because it appears he has absolutely no chance of genuinely competing

Were never going to get every signing right.

[21May16]

You don't think he wanted Bowie?

He had players he wanted to sign. Bowie wasn't one of them, no. Bowie is a long term project by the club.

To say SDG "signed" all the players quite simply isn't true. The ones he wanted, as in suggested, are contracted until the end of the season.

[21May16]

All of them. The manager is part of the recruitment team.

For all signings? No he's not.

And he's not the manager. That's the reason he's not the manager.

[21May16]

Well again it’s a bit of both. We might give Gray 3 options and he picks the worst one.

I actually think recruitment in the summer was decent. I think alot of the players;

Ekpiteta
O’Hora
Kwon
Triantis
Hoilett
Myk
Gayle
Bowie

Are good in their own right. The problem with this team, and imo the problem for years, has been the balance.

I think it’s been rectified alot over the summer albeit we’re sorely missing a number 10. Now again could that have been McCowan? We’re told he was the only other midfielder we wanted, did the recruitment give SDG other options but he said he never wanted any of them?

Another position would be a number 6 like Aberdeen have in Nilsen. But maybe SDG doesn’t want that type? He wants all 3 to be 6ft plus, mobile and comfortable on the ball.

There’s so many unknowns it’s hard to tell.

An example though is SDG picking Triantis over Bonke Innocent, a 28 year old CDM who has 4 caps for Nigeria and played for Lillestrom, Malmo and Lorient….pretty good calibre of player a show me to us that we said no to.

I think the only player I would class as a poor signing is Bursik, not seen enough of Smith, Iredale or Cadden to comment on them. Smith id say poor because it appears he has absolutely no chance of genuinely competing

Were never going to get every signing right.

You think O'Hora is good enough for a team aspiring to be third or fourth in this league? Marv? Maybe at a push. Triantis no chance, Kwon has shown little to suggest so, Myko wasn't the last time and isn't now, Gayle is bit part. Only Hoilett is the type of player that we have signed to raise us a level from last seasons bottom six pish to top three or four. The reason imo, that many are saying that a lot of our signings are decent is because they should be better than the bottom of the league players/team that we have at the moment. Agree Bursik is utter *****, doesn't say much for Smith who was crap at Kelty or Iredale who can't get a game. Bowie i have left out of this because if you are saying you can't make a judgement call on others because we have not seen enough of them, then we haven't seen enough of Bowie to make a judgement call if/when he comes back fully fit.

The transfer window, forgetting about the game changing/next level investment ***** we got told was, so far, based on our league position and performances has been utter rank. 3 or 4 of them can't even get a game for right now, the worst team in the division.

[04Sauzee]

He had players he wanted to sign. Bowie wasn't one of them, no. Bowie is a long term project by the club.

To say SDG "signed" all the players quite simply isn't true. The ones he wanted, as in suggested, are contracted until the end of the season.
He absolutely wanted Bowie

[superfurryhibby]

He had players he wanted to sign. Bowie wasn't one of them, no. Bowie is a long term project by the club.

To say SDG "signed" all the players quite simply isn't true. The ones he wanted, as in suggested, are contracted until the end of the season.


He absolutely wanted Bowie

Classic Hibs Net, who do you believe?

Answer-none of them.

[MWHIBBIES]

For all signings? No he's not.

And he's not the manager. That's the reason he's not the manager.

Yes he is.

And yes he is. Coach manager, ***** jobbie. Same thing.

[blackpoolhibs]

SDG is in charge of how we set up and team selection, he's in charge of the players he either was given or signed, take your pick?

He's doing a horrific job so far.

[Hibees1973]

Why don’t we tell the Falkirk owner we want their manager? Like Utd done

This is way too sensible for the Golden Quadrant to implement.

[flash]

Hopefully the fightback starts today.

[raeburnhibs]

You think O'Hora is good enough for a team aspiring to be third or fourth in this league? Marv? Maybe at a push. Triantis no chance, Kwon has shown little to suggest so, Myko wasn't the last time and isn't now, Gayle is bit part. Only Hoilett is the type of player that we have signed to raise us a level from last seasons bottom six pish to top three or four. The reason imo, that many are saying that a lot of our signings are decent is because they should be better than the bottom of the league players/team that we have at the moment. Agree Bursik is utter *****, doesn't say much for Smith who was crap at Kelty or Iredale who can't get a game. Bowie i have left out of this because if you are saying you can't make a judgement call on others because we have not seen enough of them, then we haven't seen enough of Bowie to make a judgement call if/when he comes back fully fit.

The transfer window, forgetting about the game changing/next level investment ***** we got told was, so far, based on our league position and performances has been utter rank. 3 or 4 of them can't even get a game for right now, the worst team in the division.

Wrong on Triantis; he is definitely a player. He needs to stop getting himself sent off it goes without saying....Kwon decent too

[Unseen work]

You think O'Hora is good enough for a team aspiring to be third or fourth in this league? Marv? Maybe at a push. Triantis no chance, Kwon has shown little to suggest so, Myko wasn't the last time and isn't now, Gayle is bit part. Only Hoilett is the type of player that we have signed to raise us a level from last seasons bottom six pish to top three or four. The reason imo, that many are saying that a lot of our signings are decent is because they should be better than the bottom of the league players/team that we have at the moment. Agree Bursik is utter *****, doesn't say much for Smith who was crap at Kelty or Iredale who can't get a game. Bowie i have left out of this because if you are saying you can't make a judgement call on others because we have not seen enough of them, then we haven't seen enough of Bowie to make a judgement call if/when he comes back fully fit.

The transfer window, forgetting about the game changing/next level investment ***** we got told was, so far, based on our league position and performances has been utter rank. 3 or 4 of them can't even get a game for right now, the worst team in the division.

3rd or 4th I don’t know, it’s hard because as I said the balance is off.

Like I said I think they’re both individually good players however how we’re using them frustrates me.

When I searched O’Hora all I read was really good player and comfortable on the ball who can play RCB in a back 2 or, more commonly, RCB in a back 3. He comes here and where do we play him? LCB. I think being on the opposite side is having a big impact on his game as at times his body shape or positioning looks off.

Ekpiteta was a big no nonsense centre half who is really good at defending both ground duals and in the air, however was limited on the ball. Another who could play RCB in a back two or central in a back 3. What do we do with him? Ask him to be a ball playing centre back.

The signing of those 2 made me convinced we’d play a 352 and we were just waiting on a LCB, we sign Iredale who plays left of a back 3 but we’ve not changed shape.

I think when we start signing and using players correctly we’ll see a big difference.

I know what you mean about Bowie, but for me it’s obvious from the very small appearances he’s a player

[Hibees1973]

SDG is in charge of how we set up and team selection, he's in charge of the players he either was given or signed, take your pick?

He's doing a horrific job so far.

A fair number of posts trying to deflect responsibility away from Gray.

More fool him for taking the job at this point in his career with what has gone before and the structure at the club. Gray would have been way better off getting away from the club a couple of managers ago, get all his coaching badges and starting at a lower level. If successful he would have got the Hibs job at some point and be better prepared to do it.

Instead he has been impatient and taken on the job way too early. It was ridiculous him getting the job in the first place, but clearly the club were looking for the cheap, easy option and a manager who would not upset those around him. We all knew his job was monumental given the squad he has and the Golden Quadrant around.

[Murphys Touch]

A fair number of posts trying to deflect responsibility away from Gray.

More fool him for taking the job at this point in his career with what has gone before and the structure at the club. Gray would have been way better off getting away from the club a couple of managers ago, get all his coaching badges and starting at a lower level. If successful he would have got the Hibs job at some point and be better prepared to do it.

Instead he has been impatient and taken on the job way too early. It was ridiculous him getting the job in the first place, but clearly the club were looking for the cheap, easy option and a manager who would not upset those around him. We all knew his job was monumental given the squad he has and the Golden Quadrant around.
I don’t want Gray, never have and don’t think the board should have even considered it

You can’t knock Gray for taking it though - it may never happen again for him going the route you suggest and he obviously backed himself to make an impact.

If Hibs offered me the job tomorrow, too right I’m taking 3/4k a week and a huge payoff when I fail

[CentreLine]

A fair number of posts trying to deflect responsibility away from Gray.

More fool him for taking the job at this point in his career with what has gone before and the structure at the club. Gray would have been way better off getting away from the club a couple of managers ago, get all his coaching badges and starting at a lower level. If successful he would have got the Hibs job at some point and be better prepared to do it.

Instead he has been impatient and taken on the job way too early. It was ridiculous him getting the job in the first place, but clearly the club were looking for the cheap, easy option and a manager who would not upset those around him. We all knew his job was monumental given the squad he has and the Golden Quadrant around.

I think we were hamstrung with so many anonymous players on long and lucrative contracts. I’m thinking our budget for a manager was, probably still is, unattractive whereas SDG has an appreciation and affection for the club as well as being prepared to back himself for less. Just an opinion but feels like we were in a hole and hoping to find someone with a rope to get us out.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don’t want Gray, never have and don’t think the board should have even considered it

You can’t knock Gray for taking it though

Totally agreed with this.

Can’t say I’m bothered about sacking him though. Each time we get a new manager we somehow pick one that is worse than the failure he’s replaced.

[Since452]

Totally agreed with this.

Can’t say I’m bothered about sacking him though. Each time we get a new manager we somehow pick one that is worse than the failure he’s replaced.

We'd probably end up with someone like Tam Courts. Wouldn't trust these idiots at all. We're in the situation of being terrified to sack a poor manager because of the fear of who we'd replace him with. What a state of affairs.

[Wilson]

We'd probably end up with someone like Tam Courts. Wouldn't trust these idiots at all. We're in the situation of being terrified to sack a poor manager because of the fear of who we'd replace him with. What a state of affairs.

I don't think he's a poor manager. I think the squad isn't good enough. We're not comfortably better than anyone 5th to bottom and results reflect that. I'd like to have seen Gray manage this team with McCowan in it, and Bowie fit...

As it is we've thrown away a few points from winning positions. With this mid table standard squad. We are those wins away from doing an acceptable job up to mid season and bolstering the squad.

I'm still backing Gray but we need a win or two.

[Unseen work]

Times up, has to be.

Get looking for a new manager now with the break coming up.

Daz and Boozy can take the team next weekend

[bingo70]

Times up, has to be.

Get looking for a new manager now with the break coming up.

Daz and Boozy can take the team next weekend

Any change has to be as part of a bigger shake up at the club though.

I don’t see sacking Gray and the same people making another appointment making much difference.

[Unseen work]

Any change has to be as part of a bigger shake up at the club though.

I don’t see sacking Gray and the same people making another appointment making much difference.

Agreed.

If Gray is sacked The Black Knights and Tim Bezbiatchenko (sp) need to have an emergency meeting with the club and essentially say “yous have failed with four managers in a row, let us do it”

[Unseen work]

Goals scored in the last 15 minutes

Hibs 0 - 9 opposition

[Murphys Touch]

Goals scored in the last 15 minutes

Hibs 0 - 9 opposition

As much as I think the club is being run poorly that’s got nothing to do with board, refs or the fairy god mother

That’s Gray and the his team

[NC1875]

I don't think he's a poor manager. I think the squad isn't good enough. We're not comfortably better than anyone 5th to bottom and results reflect that. I'd like to have seen Gray manage this team with McCowan in it, and Bowie fit...

As it is we've thrown away a few points from winning positions. With this mid table standard squad. We are those wins away from doing an acceptable job up to mid season and bolstering the squad.

I'm still backing Gray but we need a win or two.

I’m confused.

We’ve got a mid table squad

You’re backing Gray

Yet we’re bottom of the league 🤔

[Unseen work]

I think he’s the respectful type that would want to resign as he has a bit of pride about him.

But with family to support etc there’s surely no chance he walks

If anyone deserves a pay out it’s him

[GloryGlory]

Any change has to be as part of a bigger shake up at the club though.

I don’t see sacking Gray and the same people making another appointment making much difference.

Hopefully the two BK directors on the board have now got their feet well and truly under the table and can contribute more to the "process".

[GloryGlory]

Totally agreed with this.

Can’t say I’m bothered about sacking him though. Each time we get a new manager we somehow pick one that is worse than the failure he’s replaced.

I always felt SDG was on a hiding to nothing in accepting the Head Coach role so early in his coaching career. Maybe he should have gone elsewhere and picked up more experience.

[MWHIBBIES]

Times up, has to be.

Get looking for a new manager now with the break coming up.

Daz and Boozy can take the team next weekend

"Daz" and "Boozy" makes us less likely to win next week, in an important match against a poor st Mirren team. No thanks.

Gray probably isn't it, but he'll be in charge next week.

[Murphys Touch]

"Daz" and "Boozy" makes us less likely to win next week, in an important match against a poor st Mirren team. No thanks.

Gray probably isn't it, but he'll be in charge next week.

This is do agree 100% with you except the “probably” 😉. He quite simply shouldn’t be there…4/5 years association with failure and the scale of the job needed.

We would not accepted anyone with that CV normally. Our cup winning captain been a bit shafted by the circus upstairs

[bingo70]

"Daz" and "Boozy" makes us less likely to win next week, in an important match against a poor st Mirren team. No thanks.

Gray probably isn't it, but he'll be in charge next week.

I don’t think we would be any less or more likely with Daz and Boozy in charge. Nothing would change.

[Unseen work]

"Daz" and "Boozy" makes us less likely to win next week, in an important match against a poor st Mirren team. No thanks.

Gray probably isn't it, but he'll be in charge next week.

Sorry is it not cool to call them Daz and Boozy?

In what way do they make us less likely to win? Because going by this season our chance of winning next week is 9%

SDG got wins as interim when the squad was struggling, maybe as interim the chance of winning actually goes up?

Yes please

[1875M]

Surely if Gray goes, then the circus upstairs has to go as well? If Gray is sacked, or walks, the circus upstairs continues, new manager comes in, we find ourselves in the same position in 9-12 months time? For real change to happen, surely Black Knights have to come in and go ‘you’ve now appointed 4 failed managers, we’ll take the reins’.

[Since452]

Yeah that's it for me. It can't continue. He needs to step aside.

[Smartie]

I think he’s the respectful type that would want to resign as he has a bit of pride about him.

But with family to support etc there’s surely no chance he walks

If anyone deserves a pay out it’s him

I’d argue that if anyone deserves a bit of patience to make a success of being the Hibs manager then it’s him.

[ancient hibee]

I thought he made a bad mistake in not getting the subs on. He had them standing ready for 7/8 minutes. He should have got at least one on to interrupt the flow of the game and then do that again with the other one. United would have needed to reorganise and would have lost impetus. He seemed paralysed to be honest.

[TrinityHFC]

I’d argue that if anyone deserves a bit of patience to make a success of being the Hibs manager then it’s him.

Agree with that. The results we’ve had are done. We can’t change that. Rather than go through more change I’d let him try and improve things.

I know it seems to be something every week just now but I think he deserves time and as a club we need to cut the cycle.

[TrinityHFC]

I thought he made a bad mistake in not getting the subs on. He had them standing ready for 7/8 minutes. He should have got at least one on to interrupt the flow of the game and then do that again with the other one. United would have needed to reorganise and would have lost impetus. He seemed paralysed to be honest.

It was more a case of it being a few minutes where Utd had some corners and free kicks in succession. It is pretty normal to not want to make subs when defending these situations.

[Tyler Durden]

I thought he made a bad mistake in not getting the subs on. He had them standing ready for 7/8 minutes. He should have got at least one on to interrupt the flow of the game and then do that again with the other one. United would have needed to reorganise and would have lost impetus. He seemed paralysed to be honest.

Virtually every week Gray has made a mess of the subs. Myko coming on and scoring last week is probably the only positive impact he’s had.

It seemed pretty clear today that Youan should have been on after 75 odd mins. Looked like Gray wasn’t going to use him at all, until we lose a goal. He’s probably over thinking things now, but he’s just not getting enough decisions right.

[ancient hibee]

It was more a case of it being a few minutes where Utd had some corners and free kicks in succession. It is pretty normal to not want to make subs when defending these situations.

Quite so but we made a mess of defending a ball into the box. Think it would have been much better to break up the game.Ironically Myko was coming off I think.

[Is It On....]

The title of this thread is "Gray is out of his depth"

The answer to that is clearly yes..but I don't think you can't put the blame on him.

The blame lies with the people making these appointments - 2 rookie managers, 1 never will be (Johnson) and a gamble on a manager from Australia. Even Pep had a full season in charge of Barcelona B before he was given the top job and he had Cruyff as a mentor; Gray had a few games as caretaker before assuming the role and he has the Mighty Malky as a mentor.

We are bottom of a poor league because we keep conceding late in games - 5 points alone against Dundee United lost after the 89th minute.

If he, Gray, can sort out better game management then we will steadily rise in the table; thankfully we are not currently adrift at the bottom and surely somebody at the club can help with this issue.

[21May16]

He absolutely wanted Bowie

He’s not going to turn the signing down. But there was another two forwards he wanted ahead of Bowie, Nisbet he pushed for. Bowie is a long term project he had no say in.

[21May16]

Wrong on Triantis; he is definitely a player. He needs to stop getting himself sent off it goes without saying....Kwon decent too

Sunderland see him as a centre half. He’s not a ball playing footballer. Check his miss last week. Kwon is bottom six St Mirren standard player.

[21May16]

"Daz" and "Boozy" makes us less likely to win next week, in an important match against a poor st Mirren team. No thanks.

Gray probably isn't it, but he'll be in charge next week.

Why would it make us less likely out of interest?

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

In our history we have had two 'forigen' managers. Sauzee was a player who was already at the club, Mixu was a former player. We hardly set the net widely for those two. Forget this pish about needing someone who has knowledge of Scottish football. We simply need someone who is a competent football manager like the Aberdeen boss. Get it sorted.

[Unseen work]

He’s not going to turn the signing down. But there was another two forwards he wanted ahead of Bowie, Nisbet he pushed for. Bowie is a long term project he had no say in.

Nisbet strikes me as the type that wouldn’t have wanted to come back here.

Simon Murray the other who turned us down?

Again it’s no use moaning if the players don’t want to come

[McD]

The title of this thread is "Gray is out of his depth"

The answer to that is clearly yes..but I don't think you can't put the blame on him.

The blame lies with the people making these appointments - 2 rookie managers, 1 never will be (Johnson) and a gamble on a manager from Australia. Even Pep had a full season in charge of Barcelona B before he was given the top job and he had Cruyff as a mentor; Gray had a few games as caretaker before assuming the role and he has the Mighty Malky as a mentor.

We are bottom of a poor league because we keep conceding late in games - 5 points alone against Dundee United lost after the 89th minute.

If he, Gray, can sort out better game management then we will steadily rise in the table; thankfully we are not currently adrift at the bottom and surely somebody at the club can help with this issue.


You say we can’t blame gray, then go on to say if he can sort better game management - meaning his game management hasn’t been good enough. He needs to take the blame for that

[21May16]

Nisbet strikes me as the type that wouldn’t have wanted to come back here.

Simon Murray the other who turned us down?

Again it’s no use moaning if the players don’t want to come

SDG wanted Nisbet. Malky said no. He wanted Murray, we didn’t try hard enough from what I’ve been told. Again I’m not bothered that others won’t believe me. Mykola was about 4th choice in all this and he’s a SDG signing apparently. Bowie again was signed by the club and not SDG. SDG signings are all expiring the end of the season. Shows the confidence.

[andrew70]

He’s not going to turn the signing down. But there was another two forwards he wanted ahead of Bowie, Nisbet he pushed for. Bowie is a long term project he had no say in.


Sunderland see him as a centre half. He’s not a ball playing footballer. Check his miss last week. Kwon is bottom six St Mirren standard player.

Bowie was Gray’s main signing target all summer. He didn’t want Nisbet, Hibs did but Gray never.

As for Kwon, he’s class with great composure, should be a 6 instead of trying to make him something he’s not so Gray can shoe horn Newell in. Also St Mirren are better than us, again, thanks to the head coach and some players.

[joe breezy]

In our history we have had two 'forigen' managers. Sauzee was a player who was already at the club, Mixu was a former player. We hardly set the net widely for those two. Forget this pish about needing someone who has knowledge of Scottish football. We simply need someone who is a competent football manager like the Aberdeen boss. Get it sorted.

Absolutely “someone who knows Scottish football” is a load of pish saying that gets trotted out every time


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[Centre Hawf]

Bowie was Gray’s main signing target all summer. He didn’t want Nisbet, Hibs did but Gray never.

As for Kwon, he’s class with great composure, should be a 6 instead of trying to make him something he’s not so Gray can shoe horn Newell in. Also St Mirren are better than us, again, thanks to the head coach and some players.

I don't know about Bowie but I heard similar with Nisbet. He actively didn't want him and Marcondes as he wanted the right attitudes at the club and neither of them were what he was after in that regard.

[may 21/05/2016]

SDG wanted Nisbet. Malky said no. He wanted Murray, we didn’t try hard enough from what I’ve been told. Again I’m not bothered that others won’t believe me. Mykola was about 4th choice in all this and he’s a SDG signing apparently. Bowie again was signed by the club and not SDG. SDG signings are all expiring the end of the season. Shows the confidence.Nonsense

[Is It On....]

You say we can’t blame gray, then go on to say if he can sort better game management - meaning his game management hasn’t been good enough. He needs to take the blame for that

He is an extremely inexperienced manager (that arguably should have never been appointed in the first place) that needs a proper mentor to help him develop...he is still learning all aspects of game management and in my opinion it's the RESPONSIBILITY of the DoF to provide assistance as it's blatantly obviously required.

[04Sauzee]

Bowie was Gray’s main signing target all summer. He didn’t want Nisbet, Hibs did but Gray never.


Correct 👍

[21May16]

Bowie was Gray’s main signing target all summer. He didn’t want Nisbet, Hibs did but Gray never.

As for Kwon, he’s class with great composure, should be a 6 instead of trying to make him something he’s not so Gray can shoe horn Newell in. Also St Mirren are better than us, again, thanks to the head coach and some players.

All completely wrong. Kwon is a McKay signing too. He’s class with composure? Triantis is great? Newell we are better with? We are bottom of the league. You think Miller is the next Cafu mind you.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't know about Bowie but I heard similar with Nisbet. He actively didn't want him and Marcondes as he wanted the right attitudes at the club and neither of them were what he was after in that regard.

It’s a real relief that we have so many players with the right character and attitude (which we made a big thing of in the summer) at the club just now. It’s serving us well.

[Unseen work]

It’s a real relief that we have so many players with the right character and attitude (which we made a big thing of in the summer) at the club just now. It’s serving us well.

The whole attitude stuff is funny isn’t it. Some of our best players have had questionable attitudes lately

This side is sorely lacking a maverick type - give me a Stokes, Cummings, Riordan or O’Connor over any of our current players

[AdidasHibernian]

Serious question, since Gray never wanted certain players due to their attitudes being right (I'm which I have no reason to doubt BTW). Please anyone tell me who you honestly believe has the right attitude in our squad right now, who is a true leader and willing to get in the ball show composure and quality as well as ruffle some feathers in the place and start lifting the levels?

Because I cannot see one player in that squad that's capable.

We desperately need a leader or two in the building to get this squad playing on the pitch. SDG was as a player, had it in spades but when you cross the line these days not one player that plays has that ability. We are miles of having a Jones, Brown, Sauzee type player that can do this.

[MWHIBBIES]

Why would it make us less likely out of interest?

Why would it make us more like? Guys who have never managed a professional football match.

Hibs played well today and were totally robbed. Gray deserves a chance to continue that rather than some daft caretaker job.

If Pep becomes available, then sure, bin gray. Not McGregor and boozy.

[NC1875]

I don't know about Bowie but I heard similar with Nisbet. He actively didn't want him and Marcondes as he wanted the right attitudes at the club and neither of them were what he was after in that regard.

That’s working out well for him

[andrew70]

All completely wrong. Kwon is a McKay signing too. He’s class with composure? Triantis is great? Newell we are better with? We are bottom of the league. You think Miller is the next Cafu mind you.

Kwon is a loan signing makes no odds where he came from. Still one of our better players. Gray has zero contacts in the game, he’s no one to phone in a favour from.

Gray’s profile of player is why we are in this position.

Newell is hopeless, much like Boyle and Campbell yet he thought he could build a team around them. A sacking offence in itself.

Miller was good today and we missed him when he went off but certainly not Cafu. Just a good player at this level and international to be fair. (in the Asian groups)

As for “completely wrong” I know I am certainly not but will leave it at that. Sooner Bowie is back the better.

[TrinityHFC]

Kwon is a loan signing makes no odds where he came from. Still one of our better players. Gray has zero contacts in the game, he’s no one to phone in a favour from.

Gray’s profile of player is why we are in this position.

Newell is hopeless, much like Boyle and Campbell yet he thought he could build a team around them. A sacking offence in itself.

Miller was good today and we missed him when he went off but certainly not Cafu. Just a good player at this level and international to be fair. (in the Asian groups)

As for “completely wrong” I know I am certainly not but will leave it at that. Sooner Bowie is back the better.

Gray has zero contacts? What a load of pish.

[Centre Hawf]

Serious question, since Gray never wanted certain players due to their attitudes being right (I'm which I have no reason to doubt BTW). Please anyone tell me who you honestly believe has the right attitude in our squad right now, who is a true leader and willing to get in the ball show composure and quality as well as ruffle some feathers in the place and start lifting the levels?

Because I cannot see one player in that squad that's capable.

We desperately need a leader or two in the building to get this squad playing on the pitch. SDG was as a player, had it in spades but when you cross the line these days not one player that plays has that ability. We are miles of having a Jones, Brown, Sauzee type player that can do this.

The thing is though we signed two ex captains in the summer. We signed a couple really experienced forwards who should be leaders in their own right, we have our own captain (as much as we all debate his credentials) and have guys like Martin Boyle, Chris Cadden, Josh Campbell who have been at the club for years. We SHOULD have guys with the right attitude, I'd argue we probably do even if not all of who I listed are showing it to us. We just have a severe lack of quality throughout the squad.

Gray was apparently given the choice of Triantis and the other lad from France, he's obviously went with Triantis out of trust because he knows what he's getting instead of risking the one midfield signing he could make on an unknown player. I think that was the wrong move as Triantis didn't exactly stand out anyway, if anything he was actually poor on loan last season. But I think it probably highlights how high Gray holds work rate and good attitudes when picking his squad, especially over those who have more skill but the hearts of mice.

[Keepthefaith]

I thought we played better today - clear we were missing Bowie and Gayle but there were passages of play where we played more one touch football which improved our attacking approach. defensively I thought Ek and OHora both played better and was probably Obita and Millers best games of the season.

problem is no real creativity in the midfield and a lack of pace up top. I was critical of gray for being defensive in previous games when we were leading only for his subs to put us under more pressure, but I thought today he tried to get us the win and even with 10 we looked more likely to score.

by all means criticise what's been unacceptable so far but it's important to recognise the positives. there's nothing between the bottom 7 at this point and despite us being bottom I've not seen anything which suggests we're miles worse than anyone other than Celtic.

I agree that I'd have liked to see a more experienced manager come in - Gray's position is compounded by how well Thelin has done - but the bigger issue is the recruitment, situation with Youan and key injury to Bowie IMO.

for those not at the game I thought it was telling how much of the east stand applauded the team off the pitch - there wasn't the cacophony of boos some on here would lead us to believe and I think the majority of the support could see that Hibs deserved to win and put in a significant effort to try and do that.

[Unseen work]

I thought we played better today - clear we were missing Bowie and Gayle but there were passages of play where we played more one touch football which improved our attacking approach. defensively I thought Ek and OHora both played better and was probably Obita and Millers best games of the season.

problem is no real creativity in the midfield and a lack of pace up top. I was critical of gray for being defensive in previous games when we were leading only for his subs to put us under more pressure, but I thought today he tried to get us the win and even with 10 we looked more likely to score.

by all means criticise what's been unacceptable so far but it's important to recognise the positives. there's nothing between the bottom 7 at this point and despite us being bottom I've not seen anything which suggests we're miles worse than anyone other than Celtic.

I agree that I'd have liked to see a more experienced manager come in - Gray's position is compounded by how well Thelin has done - but the bigger issue is the recruitment, situation with Youan and key injury to Bowie IMO.

for those not at the game I thought it was telling how much of the east stand applauded the team off the pitch - there wasn't the cacophony of boos some on here would lead us to believe and I think the majority of the support could see that Hibs deserved to win and put in a significant effort to try and do that.

I think we were better today.

But I’m really struggling to consider anything a positive with 1 win in 11 and being bottom of the league.

It’s absolutely brutal, playing quite well at home against an ordinary Dundee United team and getting a draw doesn’t change anything for me.

We need wins and SDG and the players are showing they are incapable of it

[andrew70]

Gray has zero contacts? What a load of pish.

What back catalogue can he call on then having only coached at Hibs?

Jack Ross would be the only one in employment. Maybe Heckingbottom actually. He’s certainly not got exhaustive list. It’s a worry considering his choice in player.

He should have went and earned his stripes elsewhere and built up relationships and strong connections where in fact all he’s done is given his mates a job.

He gets so much slack it’s unbelievable. He’s taking us down.

[bingo70]

I think we were better today.

But I’m really struggling to consider anything a positive with 1 win in 11 and being bottom of the league.

It’s absolutely brutal, playing quite well at home against an ordinary Dundee United team and getting a draw doesn’t change anything for me.

We need wins and SDG and the players are showing they are incapable of it

We managed one shot on target.

Things were marginally better today but wee bit perspective is needed as to how much better.

Goodwin said in his post match interview their plan was to let us have the ball and frustrate us so although it was good to have more possession today, until we start creating multiple chances in a game and cutting teams open, I won’t be changing my mind about the direction we are heading in.

[B.H.F.C]

I think we were better today.

But I’m really struggling to consider anything a positive with 1 win in 11 and being bottom of the league.

It’s absolutely brutal, playing quite well at home against an ordinary Dundee United team and getting a draw doesn’t change anything for me.

We need wins and SDG and the players are showing they are incapable of it

How I see it. Thought we had a spell for 20, 25 minutes in the first half today that was probably as well as we’ve played this season. Then proceeded to do little in the second half despite having most of the ball.

Came away from that today feeling pretty disheartened. We can’t win when we’re apparently playing well, what’s going to happen in the games where we don’t play well. Struggling to see how we improve at the moment.

[MWHIBBIES]

Kwon is a loan signing makes no odds where he came from. Still one of our better players. Gray has zero contacts in the game, he’s no one to phone in a favour from.

Gray’s profile of player is why we are in this position.

Newell is hopeless, much like Boyle and Campbell yet he thought he could build a team around them. A sacking offence in itself.

Miller was good today and we missed him when he went off but certainly not Cafu. Just a good player at this level and international to be fair. (in the Asian groups)

As for “completely wrong” I know I am certainly not but will leave it at that. Sooner Bowie is back the better.

It's 2024. Information on every player in the world is available to Hibs easily. Contacts are a load of pish. They're for your eyes, not for signing players.

Newell certainly not hopeless. Good today.

[Keepthefaith]

I think we were better today.

But I’m really struggling to consider anything a positive with 1 win in 11 and being bottom of the league.

It’s absolutely brutal, playing quite well at home against an ordinary Dundee United team and getting a draw doesn’t change anything for me.

We need wins and SDG and the players are showing they are incapable of it

I suppose my point is that over 2 games with DU (who are sitting 4th) we should have had 4 if not 6 points. we're not absolutely gash, but we aren't good enough. there have been plenty of times teams have started as badly as we have and gone on to improve - sometimes with a new manager, sometimes by sticking. DU have been getting praised for the results they've had (including winning at Tynie) so them looking ordinary against us might mean we did something right to limit their chances? the game at tannadice showed that we gifted them 3 goals after all?

I do think we need to know the detail of the review of the club and I'd love to know how / why Mackay got the job and who the other candidates were who Gray was up against. whilst I wasn't against his appointment I do think he's shown that he's learning on the job and ultimately its not what we needed. however now that he's in the position I think we need to give it longer as Imo there's very little between teams below the top 3.

[Unseen work]

We managed one shot on target.

Things were marginally better today but wee bit perspective is needed as to how much better.

Goodwin said in his post match interview their plan was to let us have the ball and frustrate us so although it was good to have more possession today, until we start creating multiple chances in a game and cutting teams open, I won’t be changing my mind about the direction we are heading in.

Well said

[Smartie]

I didn’t have any issue with his game management today.

We were pretty decent first half and deserved to go in at ht in the lead.

2nd half we were controlling the game throughout, albeit not creating much. United barely got into our half. Gray has been taking stick for his use of subs and the truth is - our subs aren’t very good and the subs we had didn’t represent an obvious improvement on who we had on the field, Youan for a tiring Hoilett earlier maybe.

United only really got a head of steam up for 5 minutes or so before the goal and even then it was only a succession of set pieces. Gray had subs good to go, as you might expect but understandably held off so as not to disrupt anything whilst we were defending those set pieces.

Gray is being killed by incredibly stupid and inexplicable moments that I don’t think can be attributed to him.


What improves NOW if we have someone other than Gray? Do these moments stop? Does someone else come up with the solution where our attacking play with exactly the same players improves in a way that Gray’s incapable of finding himself? I’m not at all convinced, albeit there’s a growing group who obviously disagree.

I actually wonder if Myko’s red card might short term end up being a small blessing? Change is being enforced and we might find ourselves with a front 3 that look a bit more cohesive than of late?

Going into the final 30 minutes at least 2 goals to the good seems to be what we REALLY need imo.

[bingo70]

I didn’t have any issue with his game management today.

We were pretty decent first half and deserved to go in at ht in the lead.

2nd half we were controlling the game throughout, albeit not creating much. United barely got into our half. Gray has been taking stick for his use of subs and the truth is - our subs aren’t very good and the subs we had didn’t represent an obvious improvement on who we had on the field, Youan for a tiring Hoilett earlier maybe.

United only really got a head of steam up for 5 minutes or so before the goal and even then it was only a succession of set pieces. Gray had subs good to go, as you might expect but understandably held off so as not to disrupt anything whilst we were defending those set pieces.

Gray is being killed by incredibly stupid and inexplicable moments that I don’t think can be attributed to him.


What improves NOW if we have someone other than Gray? Do these moments stop? Does someone else come up with the solution where our attacking play with exactly the same players improves in a way that Gray’s incapable of finding himself? I’m not at all convinced, albeit there’s a growing group who obviously disagree.

I actually wonder if Myko’s red card might short term end up being a small blessing? Change is being enforced and we might find ourselves with a front 3 that look a bit more cohesive than of late?

Going into the final 30 minutes at least 2 goals to the good seems to be what we REALLY need imo.

What improves now? My hope is we start to play with more attacking creativity and look like scoring more often. If we’re ’blowing teams away’ by maybe going two to three goals up, we will be less impacted by momentary lapses in concentration at the end of games.

If we played in such a way that we created more chances, maybe that would point teams back a wee bit so they couldn’t get so many people forward?

We are getting hurt by these lapses in concentration as the way we play allows for no margin for error and that’s not realistic.

[NC1875]

I didn’t have any issue with his game management today.

We were pretty decent first half and deserved to go in at ht in the lead.

2nd half we were controlling the game throughout, albeit not creating much. United barely got into our half. Gray has been taking stick for his use of subs and the truth is - our subs aren’t very good and the subs we had didn’t represent an obvious improvement on who we had on the field, Youan for a tiring Hoilett earlier maybe.

United only really got a head of steam up for 5 minutes or so before the goal and even then it was only a succession of set pieces. Gray had subs good to go, as you might expect but understandably held off so as not to disrupt anything whilst we were defending those set pieces.

Gray is being killed by incredibly stupid and inexplicable moments that I don’t think can be attributed to him.


What improves NOW if we have someone other than Gray? Do these moments stop? Does someone else come up with the solution where our attacking play with exactly the same players improves in a way that Gray’s incapable of finding himself? I’m not at all convinced, albeit there’s a growing group who obviously disagree.

I actually wonder if Myko’s red card might short term end up being a small blessing? Change is being enforced and we might find ourselves with a front 3 that look a bit more cohesive than of late?

Going into the final 30 minutes at least 2 goals to the good seems to be what we REALLY need imo.

You honestly believe a semi competent manager would also have us bottom of the league ?

[Smartie]

You honestly believe a semi competent manager would also have us bottom of the league ?

With this squad of players?

Yes.

Absolutely.

[Stuart93]

With this squad of players?

Yes.

Absolutely.

See I disagree

As bad as they are, an experienced manager gets more out this team for me

[JohnM1875]

With this squad of players?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Nowhere near a bottom of the table squad.

[Smartie]

Nowhere near a bottom of the table squad.

It’s nearly a good squad, but a couple of major flaws stop it from being so and make it pretty iffy.

Irrespective of who the manager is, a decent attacking midfielder and possibly a central striker revolutionises this squad.

As it stands - I think any manager has this squad of players playing much the same way.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nowhere near a bottom of the table squad.

:agree:

Almost all managers in this league are no more than semi competent. If we also had a semi competent manager then this squad would be nowhere near the bottom of the league.

[keep the faith]

Kwon is a loan signing makes no odds where he came from. Still one of our better players. Gray has zero contacts in the game, he’s no one to phone in a favour from.

Gray’s profile of player is why we are in this position.

Newell is hopeless, much like Boyle and Campbell yet he thought he could build a team around them. A sacking offence in itself.

Miller was good today and we missed him when he went off but certainly not Cafu. Just a good player at this level and international to be fair. (in the Asian groups)

As for “completely wrong” I know I am certainly not but will leave it at that. Sooner Bowie is back the better.

Newell hopeless, but Miller a good player at this level. OK....

[Jones28]

It’s nearly a good squad, but a couple of major flaws stop it from being so and make it pretty iffy.

Irrespective of who the manager is, a decent attacking midfielder and possibly a central striker revolutionises this squad.

As it stands - I think any manager has this squad of players playing much the same way.

100% agree with this. A striker that scores goals being set up by a proper, maverick, number 10 behind him is what's missing.

We have neither of these things. January is, once again, a huge job and vital we recruit the right players.

Youan could be that striker and think he will get a chance next week.

[eastmainsmsh]

100% agree with this. A striker that scores goals being set up by a proper, maverick, number 10 behind him is what's missing.

We have neither of these things. January is, once again, a huge job and vital we recruit the right players.

Youan could be that striker and think he will get a chance next week.

Youan told me himself that his best position is up front but we play him wide as he can create just need to go back to his double at Tynecastle if we can get him going again

[B.H.F.C]

See I disagree

As bad as they are, an experienced manager gets more out this team for me

It’s absolutely not the worst squad in the league. It’s not good but it’s not the worst, not at all.

[The Modfather]

It’s nearly a good squad, but a couple of major flaws stop it from being so and make it pretty iffy.

Irrespective of who the manager is, a decent attacking midfielder and possibly a central striker revolutionises this squad.

As it stands - I think any manager has this squad of players playing much the same way.

A new manager might not be wedded to 4231 come rain or shine. We might also not be wedded to a midfield 3 of Triantis, Newell & Kwon whatever their form.

352 with Levitt given a chance playing further forward with 2 of the 3 defensive mids behind them providing protection, and 2 up front from Myko, Boyle, Youan & Gayle. We might be able to vary our attacks from relying on shelling endless crosses or relying on set pieces. The squad is poor, but an experienced manager, or even Monty, would have us clear of relegation and stumbling along to January in 8th, 9th or 10th, not bottom with a third of the season gone.

[21May16]

Youan told me himself that his best position is up front but we play him wide as he can create just need to go back to his double at Tynecastle if we can get him going again

I guess we will see what he can do at the weekend then in that case. Unless Kwon plays up top.

[Smartie]

A new manager might not be wedded to 4231 come rain or shine. We might also not be wedded to a midfield 3 of Triantis, Newell & Kwon whatever their form.

352 with Levitt given a chance playing further forward with 2 of the 3 defensive mids behind them providing protection, and 2 up front from Myko, Boyle, Youan & Gayle. We might be able to vary our attacks from relying on shelling endless crosses or relying on set pieces. The squad is poor, but an experienced manager, or even Monty, would have us clear of relegation and stumbling along to January in 8th, 9th or 10th, not bottom with a third of the season gone.

FWIW I prefer your suggestions to what we're currently playing, my proposals on any recent "suggested team" thread has almost always been 3 at at the back and some sort of wacky approach to fix the central creativity issue.

We'd need to be prepared for that to potentially be worse though, and the usual suspects would be saying that the change in formation and bringing in Levitt out the cold would be "Gray going back to the tombola again".

I also wonder how long it would take for a new manager to decide that what we're currently doing isn't working and to go to a 352 or the like rather than our current 451?
451 is fashionable, it's what the majority of managers play and I'd expect any new manager to start with that for a while. Some (like Monty) wouldn't ever even consider a 3 at the back approach.

And I'm pretty sure that's only the second time we've played that combo in midfield, albeit I think it's probably only the second we've had them all available. Not sure their repeated selection merits criticism yet, especially when all 3 played fairly well yesterday.

[MWHIBBIES]

Youan told me himself that his best position is up front but we play him wide as he can create just need to go back to his double at Tynecastle if we can get him going again

His best work for his mostly been from our wide.

[McD]

He is an extremely inexperienced manager (that arguably should have never been appointed in the first place) that needs a proper mentor to help him develop...he is still learning all aspects of game management and in my opinion it's the RESPONSIBILITY of the DoF to provide assistance as it's blatantly obviously required.


Gray chose his own backroom staff - he should have sought the experience and assistance needed. It’s Gray’s RESPONSIBILITY to learn from his mistakes and do better. If he needs a proper mentor so badly then he definitely shouldn’t have been appointed.


The DoF is there to oversee the entire football operation of the club, not hold the manager’s hand.

[matty_f]

I don’t think the squad is bad at all, and based on our last two games against Dundee United, I reckon if you told Jim Goodwin he could take up to five players from our squad to put into his, he’d use up all five.

[Murphys Touch]

I don’t think the squad is bad at all, and based on our last two games against Dundee United, I reckon if you told Jim Goodwin he could take up to five players from our squad to put into his, he’d use up all five.
Out of interest...what 5?

Utd sitting 4th so hard to see where he is swapping half his team for ours. Middleton v Boyle? Any of our back 5?

[Greenio]

Nowhere near a bottom of the table squad.

The squad and the manager arent separate things and they are only 2 factors in a wide number of variables that brings success.

Right now, weve been dropping points predominantly because of individual errors at key moments. Like it or not, it IS because of fine margins and fine margins are the variables that can change more easily.

This 'sack DG' chat is absolute broken record stuff.. just folk angry at not winning and forced to think short term cos its the only answer they have.

Has sacking any of our last 4 managers had a positive outcome on the fortunes of our club?

No. The opposite.

So. Why the **** would we do it again and expect anything different. Seriously.

If you tried anything 4 times and it failed... Why wouldn't you change the the strategy and try giving a manager an acceptable amount of time (a Jan window and time off the back) without turfing him out before hes had a chance to get results within a reasonable time frame.

"Footballs a results business'

So is every business. Its just footballs the only one that has fans screaming to create turmoil and expecting the opposite

[McGruber]

I don’t think the squad is bad at all, and based on our last two games against Dundee United, I reckon if you told Jim Goodwin he could take up to five players from our squad to put into his, he’d use up all five.

I bet he would Matty, bet one would be Youan. Goodwin would also have been delighted we kept Youan off the pitch for 90 mins.

[Winston Ingram]

I don’t think the squad is bad at all, and based on our last two games against Dundee United, I reckon if you told Jim Goodwin he could take up to five players from our squad to put into his, he’d use up all five.

I agree with this completely. It just needs managed properly

[JohnM1875]

The squad and the manager arent separate things and they are only 2 factors in a wide number of variables that brings success.

Right now, weve been dropping points predominantly because of individual errors at key moments. Like it or not, it IS because of fine margins and fine margins are the variables that can change more easily.

This 'sack DG' chat is absolute broken record stuff.. just folk angry at not winning and forced to think short term cos its the only answer they have.

Has sacking any of our last 4 managers had a positive outcome on the fortunes of our club?

No. The opposite.

So. Why the **** would we do it again and expect anything different. Seriously.

If you tried anything 4 times and it failed... Why wouldn't you change the the strategy and try giving a manager an acceptable amount of time (a Jan window and time off the back) without turfing him out before hes had a chance to get results within a reasonable time frame.

"Footballs a results business'

So is every business. Its just footballs the only one that has fans screaming to create turmoil and expecting the opposite

The get rid of Gray chat is because Hibs are bottom of the league a third of the way through the pre-split season. We've scored 10 goals in 11 games and other than a few 45 minutes here and there we’ve been an absolutely brutal watch.

Of course it's all about fine margins, everything in football is.

[matty_f]

Gray chose his own backroom staff - he should have sought the experience and assistance needed. It’s Gray’s RESPONSIBILITY to learn from his mistakes and do better. If he needs a proper mentor so badly then he definitely shouldn’t have been appointed.


The DoF is there to oversee the entire football operation of the club, not hold the manager’s hand.

Totally agree with this, though I do think Malky should have gone through a more thorough process to recruit the backroom team - I get that football works differently from your usual workplace and so the recruitment process isn’t like for like, but Hibs literally hired who SDG asked them to get.

I think that in itself put SDG on the back foot and is counter to the Head Coach model where the Head Coach’s job is to work with and improve the players and staff at the club rather than take responsibility for recruitment.

It should be ****ing hard to get a job at Hibs. We’re supposed to be operating at the elite level of the Scottish game yet we’ve recruited three people who are absolutely key to the first team’s success without any thought whatsoever as to whether or not they’re the best people we could get for the job.

I’m making no assumptions on the quality of the guys that are in role, it might be the case that they’re great coaches and give SDG exactly the support and quality of coaching needed, my point is that we don’t have any clue if they were the best people we could have got.

For me, that’s negligent from the club, and in this case that’s on Malky.

You could argue that it’s SDG’s job to recruit those roles and he’ll live or die on how good they are, but again given SDG’s very limited experience and exposure to other coaches, how can he reasonably be expected to do that and pick top coaches? How much of Liam Craig’s coaching has SDG seen to know he’s fit for an assistant role at Hibs, for example?

[Since452]

The squad and the manager arent separate things and they are only 2 factors in a wide number of variables that brings success.

Right now, weve been dropping points predominantly because of individual errors at key moments. Like it or not, it IS because of fine margins and fine margins are the variables that can change more easily.

This 'sack DG' chat is absolute broken record stuff.. just folk angry at not winning and forced to think short term cos its the only answer they have.

Has sacking any of our last 4 managers had a positive outcome on the fortunes of our club?

No. The opposite.

So. Why the **** would we do it again and expect anything different. Seriously.

If you tried anything 4 times and it failed... Why wouldn't you change the the strategy and try giving a manager an acceptable amount of time (a Jan window and time off the back) without turfing him out before hes had a chance to get results within a reasonable time frame.

"Footballs a results business'

So is every business. Its just footballs the only one that has fans screaming to create turmoil and expecting the opposite

Aberdeen punted a caretaker manager who was given the top job and replaced him with someone competent. The change was instant. The problem isn't changing managers. It's repeatedly appointing bad ones.

[McD]

Aberdeen punted a caretaker manager who was given the top job and replaced him with someone competent. The change was instant. The problem isn't changing managers. It's repeatedly appointing bad ones.


:agree: exactly, it’s our poor choice of manager rather than the changing of them.


Aberdeen also removed a poorly performing caretaker (warnock) and saw an immediate improvement with the man they put in charge after that. Giving the wrong person more time because others have also failed in a similar fashion is false logic.

[Unseen work]

Aberdeen punted a caretaker manager who was given the top job and replaced him with someone competent. The change was instant. The problem isn't changing managers. It's repeatedly appointing bad ones.

This.

Absolutely 100% this.

[Unseen work]

https://x.com/pieandbov/status/1853390327463227535?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Apparently we’re improving though…

[B.H.F.C]

https://x.com/pieandbov/status/1853390327463227535?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Apparently we’re improving though…

Keep saying it, the fact folk think we’re playing well and improving is one of the most worrying things. What are we going to be like if we actually play poorly at any point?

I’m at risk of contradicting myself here because, when we’ve been bad in the past, we’ve looked worse than we do currently. But it’s not changing. We might hold on to a lead occasionally but there is no way we’re stringing a run of results together. Not positive ones anyway.

[bingo70]

Keep saying it, the fact folk think we’re playing well and improving is one of the most worrying things. What are we going to be like if we actually play poorly at any point?

I’m at risk of contradicting myself here because, when we’ve been bad in the past, we’ve looked worse than we do currently. But it’s not changing. We might hold on to a lead occasionally but there is no way we’re stringing a run of results together. Not positive ones anyway.

I think we’ve been less ***** in some games than others but I don’t think we’ve been good in any of them.

To be good, we need to be opening teams up, creating chances and scoring goals.

Scoring a goal from our only chance and having a lot of possession in games isn’t improving, it’s gash.

[flash]

https://x.com/pieandbov/status/1853390327463227535?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Apparently we’re improving though…

Oi! Three match unbeaten run if you please.

[Wilson]

I don’t think the squad is bad at all, and based on our last two games against Dundee United, I reckon if you told Jim Goodwin he could take up to five players from our squad to put into his, he’d use up all five.

It is pretty bad. The first 11 is okay but the depth is poor. Boyle doesn't contribute as much as he once could. This is going back to before Gray. He was one of the most potent attacking players in the league a couple of years ago. Now he is paid like one but doesn't impact games like one. Youan can contribute on a big European night but has done nothing in months... because he doesn't want to be here. McKirdy. JDH. Who is actually available that is going to really impact a game like a top 4 squad player?

We need to stop overrating our resources and give Gray a break. He is trying. The fit and motivated players are trying. We need to stop thinking we're a top four team with a bottom six squad.

This squad needs work and I hope Gray gets a couple of wins to see him get the time to see it through.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It is pretty bad. The first 11 is okay but the depth is poor. Boyle doesn't contribute as much as he once could. This is going back to before Gray. He was one of the most potent attacking players in the league a couple of years ago. Now he is paid like one but doesn't impact games like one. Youan can contribute on a big European night but has done nothing in months... because he doesn't want to be here. McKirdy. JDH. Who is actually available that is going to really impact a game like a top 4 squad player?

We need to stop overrating our resources and give Gray a break. He is trying. The fit and motivated players are trying. We need to stop thinking we're a top four team with a bottom six squad.

This squad needs work and I hope Gray gets a couple of wins to see him get the time to see it through.

It might lack depth, but what non Old Firm teams doesn’t?

I refuse to believe other clubs have loads of squad depth, or that St Johnstone for example are a better side than us when they have Drey Wright at right back and guys like Nicky Clark and Jason Holt starting games.

[Unseen work]

I don’t think our squad or options from the bench are poor.

Certainly not to be bottom and 1 win in 11.

We loaned Motherwell Jair Tavares and they are 5th in the league, won 5 games from 10 in the league and got to a semi final!

[Onion]

Aberdeen punted a caretaker manager who was given the top job and replaced him with someone competent. The change was instant. The problem isn't changing managers. It's repeatedly appointing bad ones.

Bang on !

Who's to say how far we'd have fallen if we had stuck with any of the previous 4 failing managers for any longer than they were given ? Sacking a failing manager is not the problem, recruiting the right one on is. The only reason for Hibs tolerating a failing manager is that we simply have zero confidence in the Owner/Board being able to find, vet and appoint a better one.

[Stuart93]

Aberdeen punted a caretaker manager who was given the top job and replaced him with someone competent. The change was instant. The problem isn't changing managers. It's repeatedly appointing bad ones.

Yep this is it in a nut shell.

The talk of us improving from some recently is seriously worrying. Total head in the sand stuff.

We’re bottom and in November. Sugar coat it whatever way you want but if that was anybody but SDG in the dug out and we’d be looking for blood.

[flash]

Yep this is it in a nut shell.

The talk of us improving from some recently is seriously worrying. Total head in the sand stuff.

We’re bottom and in November. Sugar coat it whatever way you want but if that was anybody but SDG in the dug out and we’d be looking for blood.
Which is exactly why they appointed him of course.

[GreenPJ]

Out of interest...what 5?

Utd sitting 4th so hard to see where he is swapping half his team for ours. Middleton v Boyle? Any of our back 5?

Big Marv, Obita, Triantis, Newell, Hoilett, Boyle and possibly Youan.

[Stuart93]

Which is exactly why they appointed him of course.

Yep, utter scapegoat as well.

If gray is to go, Kensell and IG can’t continue running things.

We’re in a seriously bad way and it’s been coming for a long time

[Since452]

Yep, utter scapegoat as well.

If gray is to go, Kensell and IG can’t continue running things.

We’re in a seriously bad way and it’s been coming for a long time

Absolutely. Their track record is absolutely abysmal. To lead us to bottom of the league in November is nothing short of shameful. And it's happened on their watch. Mistake after mistake. Gray will be hurting but he simply shouldn't have been given the job in the first place. Get them so far to ****

[Cooshed Kid]

Bang on !

The only reason for Hibs tolerating a failing manager is that we simply have zero confidence in the Owner/Board being able to find, vet and appoint a better one.

You are absolutely right. The Gordons should have listened to the BK. The Gordons mean so well but the BK are hard-nosed professionals. There's a gulf between their levels of competency. The Gordons should have allowed the BK to select the manager subject to the Gordons' right of veto if it was someone they considered unacceptable. The in-house appointment was well-intended but lacking in vision and wisdom. Perhaps there may not be a plethora of outstanding candidates available for the job now but I hope the BK are keeping their eyes and ears open in case one becomes available ......within our price range, of course.

In the meantime, I just hope and pray SDG turns things around and proves he has what it takes.

[matty_f]

It might lack depth, but what non Old Firm teams doesn’t?

I refuse to believe other clubs have loads of squad depth, or that St Johnstone for example are a better side than us when they have Drey Wright at right back and guys like Nicky Clark and Jason Holt starting games.

:agree: Motherwell played Jair on Sunday.

[matty_f]

Out of interest...what 5?

Utd sitting 4th so hard to see where he is swapping half his team for ours. Middleton v Boyle? Any of our back 5?

Take your pick, to be honest. I think he’d take without hesitation the centre halves, Obita, Newell, Hoilett, Youan, Boyle, Kwon and Triantis.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don’t think the squad is bad at all, and based on our last two games against Dundee United, I reckon if you told Jim Goodwin he could take up to five players from our squad to put into his, he’d use up all five.

I think the opposite.

I doubt many, if any, of our players would get into any other team in the top league.

They are absolutely rank and the results show it.

[superfurryhibby]

I think the opposite.

I doubt many, if any, of our players would get into any other team in the top league.

They are absolutely rank and the results show it.

Tend to agree. I don't rate many of them.

If our players were that good the we would not be at the bottom of the league. Results do not lie, and it's not all down to poor refereeing, tactics or bad luck.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think the opposite.

I doubt many, if any, of our players would get into any other team in the top league.

They are absolutely rank and the results show it.

You think we potentially have zero players that would get into ANY other team in this league? That would likely make us by a mile the worst ever top flight side in history.

[WhileTheChief..]

You think we potentially have zero players that would get into ANY other team in this league? That would likely make us by a mile the worst ever top flight side in history.

Maybe a slight exaggeration, but yeah, I think we are that bad just now.

I don’t see any of the positives that some of you see. To me, this is every bit as bad as the squad that Butcher took us down with and I don’t really see a way out.

Sorry, I know that upsets some folk here, it’s just the way I see it.

[B.H.F.C]

You think we potentially have zero players that would get into ANY other team in this league? That would likely make us by a mile the worst ever top flight side in history.

I don’t think much of our squad.

Individually there are some decent players there though. But we have never given a thought as to how they fit together.

O’Hora is a good example. Plays most of his football on the right or central in a back three. We sign him and play him on the left of a central two. Midfielders that are all similar. There is so much wrong with how the squad has been made up but it’s still not the worst in the league. A proper manager gets more from them.

[Smartie]

Maybe a slight exaggeration, but yeah, I think we are that bad just now.

I don’t see any of the positives that some of you see. To me, this is every bit as bad as the squad that Butcher took us down with and I don’t really see a way out.

Sorry, I know that upsets some folk here, it’s just the way I see it.

There have been some very good players in Hibs teams who have been relegated in the past.

Sometimes they've had some truly dreadful players next to them, or departments that just didn't work.

This looks like a squad full of players who could potentially be fine but we lack one or two very good players to turn it into a much better team.

[Danderhall Hibs]

You think we potentially have zero players that would get into ANY other team in this league? That would likely make us by a mile the worst ever top flight side in history.

And wouldn’t explain Jair getting into the Motherwell side.

[MWHIBBIES]

Mark Robbins sacked. Would take him here in a heartbeat.

[SteveHFC]

Mark Robbins sacked. Would take him here in a heartbeat.

Surprised at that. Done a great job at Coventry.

[Alfred E Newman]

Mark Robbins sacked. Would take him here in a heartbeat.

I'd rather have Marty Robbins

[Libby Hibby]

Mark Robbins sacked. Would take him here in a heartbeat.

I’d rather have Mary Poppins

[7Hero]

Tavares has played 60 odd minutes for motherwell and the fans i know agree with us that he is murder. he;s probably the best example of a hibs player who wouldn't get in any other team..

[Trinity Hibee]

Tavares has played 60 odd minutes for motherwell and the fans i know agree with us that he is murder. he;s probably the best example of a hibs player who wouldn't get in any other team..

How the hell was he at Benfica? Mind boggling.

At least Duk has physique and is direct. Jair lacks everything. Looks like a lost boy

[Chorley Hibee]

How the hell was he at Benfica? Mind boggling.

At least Duk has physique and is direct. Jair lacks everything. Looks like a lost boy

He's a five a side player or beach footballer.

He's still got a few years left on his contract too.

[Scotty Leither]

Gray chose his own backroom staff - he should have sought the experience and assistance needed. It’s Gray’s RESPONSIBILITY to learn from his mistakes and do better. If he needs a proper mentor so badly then he definitely shouldn’t have been appointed.


The DoF is there to oversee the entire football operation of the club, not hold the manager’s hand.

Sadly, I think Davey chose his coaching staff the same way the Board do, that is to say he chose his mate Liam Craig…for Liam Craig see how Mackay appointed Marshall; Mackay was similarly appointed by his mate, MacPherson.

I’m not sure Gray would have got full say on the back room staff either, they like he fitted the profile of cheap and available.

I really hope big changes are imminent, a flat atmosphere is pervading the whole club at the moment.

[Billy Whizz]

He's a five a side player or beach footballer.

He's still got a few years left on his contract too.

May 2026

[MWHIBBIES]

Surprised at that. Done a great job at Coventry.

He did indeed. They're fans are not happy.

[Ronniekirk]

May 2026

It’s just absurd he got such a lengthy contract

[Scottie]

Mark Robbins sacked. Would take him here in a heartbeat.
Unbelievable that. Must be something behind the scenes I’d imagine as he’s been doing a great job there for a club with their budget.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Unbelievable that. Must be something behind the scenes I’d imagine as he’s been doing a great job there for a club with their budget.

His PPG over a nearly 20 year career is very decent.

Would take him in a heartbeat.

[Scottie]

His PPG over a nearly 20 year career is very decent.

Would take him in a heartbeat.
:agree: Definitely mate he’ll find a new job easy I’d imagine unfortunately not at us.

[RIP]

Youan told me himself that his best position is up front but we play him wide as he can create just need to go back to his double at Tynecastle if we can get him going again

It doesn't surprise me that's what Elie says. He'll remember only too well that he was signed as a striker, not a wide man.

Almost all of his goals have been from inside the box. His partnership with Myziane demonstrated the benefits of an attacking pair.

One striker at home is cowardice. Hardly surprising that we find it so hard to score 2 or 3. Hopefully Gray won't waste him on the touchline tomorrow.

GGTTH

[Heisenberg]

It doesn't surprise me that's what Elie says. He'll remember only too well that he was signed as a striker, not a wide man.

Almost all of his goals have been from inside the box. His partnership with Myziane demonstrated the benefits of an attacking pair.

One striker at home is cowardice. Hardly surprising that we find it so hard to score 2 or 3. Hopefully Gray won't waste him on the touchline tomorrow.

GGTTH

It has nothing to do with playing one striker though, teams in our league and many leagues across the world will play with one striker and pose more threat than us. It’s to do with the way SDG has us playing forward with the ball, we don’t create anything and just launch the ball into the box. It’s brutal.

He's got to win today I think, draw or lose and he’ll be away.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I see no tactic or strategy in the final third. We have goals in this team, but the supply and strategy to get them is flawed. And I’ve not seen any signs that SDG is learning or improving in that area.

[NC1875]

I see no tactic or strategy in the final third. We have goals in this team, but the supply and strategy to get them is flawed. And I’ve not seen any signs that SDG is learning or improving in that area.

Listening to him yesterday he seems to think we’re executing his game plan and the stats back it up, and that we just have to keep doing what we’re doing.

Genuinely concerned he believes that. We are awful to watch, having lots of possession and doing nothing with it seems to be the game plan after all.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Listening to him yesterday he seems to think we’re executing his game plan and the stats back it up, and that we just have to keep doing what we’re doing.

Genuinely concerned he believes that. We are awful to watch, having lots of possession and doing nothing with it seems to be the game plan after all.

Then we are where we deserve to be. Gray needs to instil a killer instinct into the team. Not this, let’s defend a slender lead with 25mins to go. It has not worked multiple times now. We’ve lost around 11 points this season alone deploying that tactic.

Einstein defined madness as ‘continuing to do the same thing whilst expecting different results’.

[CentreLine]

Listening to him yesterday he seems to think we’re executing his game plan and the stats back it up, and that we just have to keep doing what we’re doing.

Genuinely concerned he believes that. We are awful to watch, having lots of possession and doing nothing with it seems to be the game plan after all.

Stat! It seems to me we have embraced stats as the absolute benchmark for success. The only stat that matters is having scored more goals in a game that your opponent.
The one that really gets me is this celebration of having had more possession in a game. I’m no statistician but it seems to me, when they stick these numbers up at the end of televised SPFL games, rarely does the team that had most possession turn out to be the winner.

[Dashing Bob S]

I'd rather have Marty Robbins

We need to string a few El Paso's together...

[heretoday]

It's the last chance saloon for SDG.

[Since452]

Listening to him yesterday he seems to think we’re executing his game plan and the stats back it up, and that we just have to keep doing what we’re doing.

Genuinely concerned he believes that. We are awful to watch, having lots of possession and doing nothing with it seems to be the game plan after all.

To be fair he's trying to put a positive spin on things. If he came out and said "I'm hopeless and the players are *****" then we're beaten before a ball is kicked.

[NC1875]

To be fair he's trying to put a positive spin on things. If he came out and said "I'm hopeless and the players are *****" then we're beaten before a ball is kicked.

Agree but he doesn’t need to talk ***** about stats. No one cares about stats. Especially when you’re bottom of the league and can’t win a game.

Bookies have us as big favourites again today, it’s a game we should be winning at home. I don’t have the slightest confidence we will. I’m working today so hopefully be pleasantly surprised later on

[J-C]

It doesn't surprise me that's what Elie says. He'll remember only too well that he was signed as a striker, not a wide man.

Almost all of his goals have been from inside the box. His partnership with Myziane demonstrated the benefits of an attacking pair.

One striker at home is cowardice. Hardly surprising that we find it so hard to score 2 or 3. Hopefully Gray won't waste him on the touchline tomorrow.

GGTTH

The modern wide player doesn't hog the touchline, he cuts in onto his stronger foot allowing wingbacks to overlap to create the width. Elle should be comfortable playing off the left.

[JimBHibees]

The modern wide player doesn't hog the touchline, he cuts in onto his stronger foot allowing wingbacks to overlap to create the width. Elle should be comfortable playing off the left.

Think he is best off that side

[MWHIBBIES]

Think he is best off that side

Without any doubt he is. Far better suited to his strengths. He's not a striker.

[DJ HIBBY]

I thought Elie had a great spell as a striker for us through the middle a few seasons ago whilst Nisbet was injured. Was probably his best goal scoring spell for us

[Unseen work]

I found it weird Johnson coming out saying he will coach Youan into a number 9 and then proceeded to play him out on the wing for months.

Think his best position is off the left, but is still a more than handy option upfront.

[MWHIBBIES]

I thought Elie had a great spell as a striker for us through the middle a few seasons ago whilst Nisbet was injured. Was probably his best goal scoring spell for us

He scored 1 league goal before Nisbets return from injury in January.

[DJ HIBBY]

He scored 1 league goal before Nisbets return from injury in January.

It was another spell of about 5-6 games where he scored up at Ross County and also against Livingston where we won 4-0

[blackpoolhibs]

I see no tactic or strategy in the final third. We have goals in this team, but the supply and strategy to get them is flawed. And I’ve not seen any signs that SDG is learning or improving in that area.

Every team has goals in them, we just dont have enough goals in this team.

A centre forward who although suspended today, does not score many goals. Boyle we can all see is not the player of 2-3 seasons ago, and wont hit them heights again.

Bowie is injured, probably wont contribute much this season. Ellie is the one player who i think might score goals, but we get back to what i've said for years, we dont create enough and need players like Ellie to make goals themselves out of nothing.

Gayle will be a bit part player, but he needs to stay fit if he will score goals, but again we need to be more creative, which is why i said at the start, we dont have enough goals with this lot.

[MWHIBBIES]

It was another spell of about 5-6 games where he scored up at Ross County and also against Livingston where we won 4-0

Nisbet started at Ross County. Elie played left wing.

Hoppe started at Livi.

I do like Youan, but he's not anything like a lone striker.

[DJ HIBBY]

Sure it was the game Nisbet got injured at County and he was moved to the middle for the next few games including st mirren away and livi away. I just recall his goals coming from central and very good period of form playing thru the middle

[B.H.F.C]

Sure it was the game Nisbet got injured at County and he was moved to the middle for the next few games including st mirren away and livi away. I just recall his goals coming from central and very good period of form playing thru the middle

Nisbet did get injured that game early on and Youan moved central and scored.

He played up front in the 6-0 against Aberdeen and played well around that time. Think in the Livi game, and maybe at St Mirren, his goals were from the left with Hoppe playing central when he was on the park.

If his head is in it, I’d play him up front today but don’t think Gray will.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Last game before the international break and feels like a pivotal moment. We will see how much we have improved compared to the opening day mauling by St Mirren. This is truly Last chance saloon for Gray. A loss or another late collapse and he will be emptied