Gray is out of his depth’

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why?

Because he has no experience, doesn’t even have the necessary qualifications to be a manager at the level we publicly claim to aspire to be at and has been at best third in command in numerous failed coaching teams at this very club.

He wouldn’t have been anywhere near the job if he hadn’t scored the winner in the cup final and he wouldn’t have got anywhere near any other job in our league at this point in time.

He may well have applied for the job, and that’s on him, but the board have quite clearly appointed him in the hope of creating breathing space for themselves after their constant stream of catastrophic football failures.

[blackpoolhibs]

Why?

Because there was only ever one man for the job.

[Iain G]

Because there was only ever one man for the job.

Ian Murray? 😆

[Hibees1973]

Ian Murray? 😆

The Golden Quadrant did set the bar high.

[blackpoolhibs]

Ian Murray? 😆
:greengrin I wish we had appointed him, i wouldnt think twice about slaughtering him.

[Donegal Hibby]

Because he has no experience, doesn’t even have the necessary qualifications to be a manager at the level we publicly claim to aspire to be at and has been at best third in command in numerous failed coaching teams at this very club.

He wouldn’t have been anywhere near the job if he hadn’t scored the winner in the cup final and he wouldn’t have got anywhere near any other job in our league at this point in time.

He may well have applied for the job, and that’s on him, but the board have quite clearly appointed him in the hope of creating breathing space for themselves after their constant stream of catastrophic football failures.

Neither had Mowbray or Stubbs experience being a manager of a first team , personally I don’t think past failures can be thrown at Gray as it was always the past managers had the final say but each to their own on that one ..

Quite clearly seemed to be well thought of as a coach and knew the club inside and out so I think it was a logical choice that many fans wanted and there was more to it than just scoring in the cup final.. still hoping he will succeed though needs to start getting a few wins soon

[Iain G]

:greengrin I wish we had appointed him, i wouldnt think twice about slaughtering him.

With Kevin Thompson as his assistant? 😁

[Donegal Hibby]

Because there was only ever one man for the job.

Be interesting to see a Hibs manager doing punditry on Huns games and what the reaction would be like on here alright :wink:

[Baldy Foghorn]

He should get this season as a minimum. Anything less is cowardly from our owners and DoF not backing the project they have set out on.

Correct

[blackpoolhibs]

With Kevin Thompson as his assistant? 😁

The dream team.:faf:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Neither had Mowbray or Stubbs experience being a manager of a first team , personally I don’t think past failures can be thrown at Gray as it was always the past managers had the final say but each to their own on that one ..

Quite clearly seemed to be well thought of as a coach and knew the club inside and out so I think it was a logical choice that many fans wanted and there was more to it than just scoring in the cup final.. still hoping he will succeed though needs to start getting a few wins soon

Mowbray was assistant manager at Ipswich (so a more senior position than SDG) for 4 years, some of which was whilst they were in the EPL, so a much higher level than us. Alan Stubbs was manager of the Everton under 21s. Both of them had better CVs than SDG.

If he was that well thought of as a coach, why did he never get a promotion to assistant manager? Why did nobody else appoint him as their manager?

It was the furthest thing from a logical choice imo. Infact it defied logic completely for the reasons I outlined. And there is absolutely no chance any other person with the CV SDG has gets the Hibs job. Theres no doubt in my mind he was given it to try and get a bit of a buffer between the board and the fans.

[Donegal Hibby]

Mowbray was assistant manager at Ipswich (so a more senior position than SDG) for 4 years, some of which was whilst they were in the EPL, so a much higher level than us. Alan Stubbs was manager of the Everton under 21s. Both of them had better CVs than SDG.

If he was that well thought of as a coach, why did he never get a promotion to assistant manager? Why did nobody else appoint him as their manager?

It was the furthest thing from a logical choice imo. Infact it defied logic completely for the reasons I outlined. And there is absolutely no chance any other person with the CV SDG has gets the Hibs job.

We been through this before , McInnes St Johnstone and there’s others I could mention too but can’t be bothered . Anyhow I’m still supporting Gray and hoping he will come … I would be absolutely gutted if he’s sacked and replaced with a Hun Hoofball merchant too .

[Paulie Walnuts]

We been through this before , McInnes St Johnstone and there’s others I could mention too but can’t be bothered . Anyhow I’m still supporting Gray and hoping he will come … I would be absolutely gutted if he’s sacked and replaced with a Hun Hoofball merchant too .

We’re not St Johnstone who were a second tier team when they appointed McInnes. And I’ve never mentioned McInnes, so I’ve no idea what the ‘Hun Hoofball merchant’ has to do with anything.

[ruthven_raiders]

Correct

True but SDG has to learn quickly from his mistakes and drop the players that are letting him down, if we see improvement before Xmas then we should get top 6 and hopefully things will seem better.....at the moment I'm struggling see the positives from top to bottom...

[Callum_62]

CorrectEven if our "form" continues?

Gray needs this start getting points on the board

If he fails to do that over the next 3-4 games and we are near or at the bottom after the first round of fixtures - he should probably go

That would be an unacceptable position for our club

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[Baldy Foghorn]

Even if our "form" continues?

Gray needs this start getting points on the board

If he fails to do that over the next 3-4 games and we are near or at the bottom after the first round of fixtures - he should probably go

That would be an unacceptable position for our club

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So are Managers getting 11 league games to decide their fate?

[Real Emerald]

Neither had Mowbray or Stubbs experience being a manager of a first team , personally I don’t think past failures can be thrown at Gray as it was always the past managers had the final say but each to their own on that one ..

Quite clearly seemed to be well thought of as a coach and knew the club inside and out so I think it was a logical choice that many fans wanted and there was more to it than just scoring in the cup final.. still hoping he will succeed though needs to start getting a few wins soon

How can appointing a complete rookie manager with no previous management jobs be a logical choice for a struggling team going through a manager a season? It was the complete opposite to being a logical choice.

[B.H.F.C]

So are Managers getting 11 league games to decide their fate?

I don’t think he should be judged after 11 games but things can’t just go on indefinitely. In an ideal world, we just pick up some results between now and then so it’s not a conversation.

I worry for Gray (and us) with what I’ve seen from him so far though. It’s already got a feeling of inevitability about it and I just really hope he can dig some results out. The derby, as it always does, is going to determine how much time folk are willing to give him, legend or not.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

How can appointing a complete rookie manager with no previous management jobs be a logical choice for a struggling team going through a manager a season? It was the complete opposite to being a logical choice.

Because we also sacked the experienced ones too.

Getting instant success is rare and the demands of that are just unrealistic. I don’t believe we’ll be related this year. I doubt we’ll be challenging for Europe but who knows what will happen. Still have a Jan window coming in 12 weeks time and a lot can change.

I’d stick with SDG unless he goes on a similar run as Naismith.

[He's here!]

No he should not

If we are near the bottom of the league towards the end of the year he has to go

And that will entirely be on David Gray

Our squad is no where near the bottom of the league level

He needs to start getting results and fast

I think if we lose the next 2 he is on a really sticky wicket



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The squad has yet to prove they're not near the bottom of the league level. At present they're where they deserve to be. The same was said about the latter-day Fenlon/Butcher squad. Best on paper outwith the OF it was claimed.

[Callum_62]

So are Managers getting 11 league games to decide their fate?If we are bottom of the league after we've played a third of the season then yes, absolutely

That's simply not acceptable for where we want to be

Surely no one could argue that?

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[Real Emerald]

Because we also sacked the experienced ones too.

Getting instant success is rare and the demands of that are just unrealistic. I don’t believe we’ll be related this year. I doubt we’ll be challenging for Europe but who knows what will happen. Still have a Jan window coming in 12 weeks time and a lot can change.

I’d stick with SDG unless he goes on a similar run as Naismith.

I’m not saying we don’t stick with him, I’m just saying it was definitely not the logical choice to appoint him. No other Premiership team would have given him the job and I doubt very much any championship team would have stuck him straight in as manager. But here we are, one of biggest clubs in the country taking an almighty gamble with a team at its lowest ebb. Doesn’t make any sense or logic to me. I hope for our club things turn around as we desperately need it to.

[Baldy Foghorn]

If we are bottom of the league after we've played a third of the season then yes, absolutely

That's simply not acceptable for where we want to be

Surely no one could argue that?

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So Man U would have sacked Sir Alex Ferguson on their first 11 league outings. This was never going to be a quick fix, was at least a couple of windows, and 12-18 Months to correct, so punting him after only 11 league games would be incredible.

[B.H.F.C]

So Man U would have sacked Sir Alex Ferguson on their first 11 league outings. This was never going to be a quick fix, was at least a couple of windows, and 12-18 Months to correct, so punting him after only 11 league games would be incredible.

Theres got to be some kind of middle ground between where he’s started and things being fixed though.

Aberdeen have won 13 on the bounce. That’s a bit of a freak run and I don’t think anyone saw it coming. But they were every bit as bad as us last year and went on to sell their best player as well. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to have expected somewhere between what we’ve done and what they’ve done.

We need to start seeing some form of results and progress very soon.

[allmodcons]

Behave, Its not SDG fault Mykola is passing up chance after chance recently. Should have scored against Der Huns and should have had at least a couple today. Cadden should have also scored and kwon was unlucky with his effort. We dominated the game today until the 60th minute where we should have been out of sight before they scored.

Triantis has been our best player but i have no idea what he was playing at today with that challenge. Youan is a great player but he also doesn't work hard enough for the team when he gets his chance. Cadden wont be in the starting line up when Boyle returns after the break and Joe Newell should give us options in midfield.

The performances and football has been a lot better than previous managers and the results will come. Give the man a chance and get behind him.

This 100%.

There is an element of our support that just can't cope with a poor run of results and seem to think a change of manger every 6 months is a good way to run a football club.

Football matches are all about fine lines and I think it's fair to say David Gray has been a little unlucky of late.

[bingo70]

So Man U would have sacked Sir Alex Ferguson on their first 11 league outings. This was never going to be a quick fix, was at least a couple of windows, and 12-18 Months to correct, so punting him after only 11 league games would be incredible.

There’ll always be some short term accountability for managers now. The world has changed since Fergie joined Man Utd.

Any manager thinking they’ll get 12-18 months without showing some sort of short term progress is delusional, it simply won’t happen.

Gray was given the job to make us better and that was coming from a very low starting point. If he can’t do that, he’ll lose his job.

[JimBHibees]

So are Managers getting 11 league games to decide their fate?

Absolutely should get way more than that however football is completely mental these days

[Baldy Foghorn]

Theres got to be some kind of middle ground between where he’s started and things being fixed though.

Aberdeen have won 13 on the bounce. That’s a bit of a freak run and I don’t think anyone saw it coming. But they were every bit as bad as us last year and went on to sell their best player as well. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to have expected somewhere between what we’ve done and what they’ve done.

We need to start seeing some form of results and progress very soon.

:aok:

[Callum_62]

So Man U would have sacked Sir Alex Ferguson on their first 11 league outings. This was never going to be a quick fix, was at least a couple of windows, and 12-18 Months to correct, so punting him after only 11 league games would be incredible.It wouldn't if he has us bottom of the table 4 months or so into the season though - hopefully not but it wouldn't be that incredible to me

Alex Ferguson was also a hugely successful manager before UTD - Gray has none of that to full back on

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[B.H.F.C]

Absolutely should get way more than that however football is completely mental these days

All hypothetical obviously but I think it’s too easy to just say you give someone a year of 18 months or whatever.

If you’re not getting results you can’t just get an indefinite amount of time. If you got to 12, 15, 18 games and still only had a single win do you just keep plodding on in hope.

I’m not saying that’s what I think will happen and it’s certainly not what I want to happen but time has to be earned.

[Since90+2]

It wouldn't if he has us bottom of the table though - hopefully not but it wouldn't be that incredible to me

Alex Ferguson was also a hugely successful manager before UTD - Gray has none of that to full back on

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Yip.

Ferguson had massive credit in the bank with the unbelievable job he done at Aberdeen.

It's not a relative comparison.

[Carheenlea]

What makes people think a board who have a trigger happy reputation and a short patience threshold with managers is suddenly now going to act differently with David Gray?

Lose our next two games and he’s gone.

Ideally we rally at Tannadice and enjoy a win against Hearts and build up a bit of steam, but any Hibs manager in this era is always just one sticky spell then two consecutive bad defeats from the sack. It’s probably one of the main reasons David Gray got the job, as a lot of potential candidates would likely be treating the proposition of becoming Hibs manager with extreme caution.

[blackpoolhibs]

I never wanted David as our manager, but when he was appointed i could see why. He's been here for ages, knew the problems and said he knew how to get us better.

He's not showing it at the moment, and the longer this goes on there's always only one result.

He was the easy option for the cowards that run our club.

[Donegal Hibby]

How can appointing a complete rookie manager with no previous management jobs be a logical choice for a struggling team going through a manager a season? It was the complete opposite to being a logical choice.

He’s been caretaker four times and knows the club after being at it for numerous years as a player and a coach which was probably seen as something he had in his favour over other candidates.

I really don’t get this about him being a cowardly appointment TBH .

[Liam89]

What makes people think a board who have a trigger happy reputation and a short patience threshold with managers is suddenly now going to act differently with David Gray?

Lose our next two games and he’s gone.

Ideally we rally at Tannadice and enjoy a win against Hearts and build up a bit of steam, but any Hibs manager in this era is always just one sticky spell then two consecutive bad defeats from the sack. It’s probably one of the main reasons David Gray got the job, as a lot of potential candidates would likely be treating the proposition of becoming Hibs manager with extreme caution.

Do you honestly believe that?

Not a chance he's gone this early in the season and rightfully so.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

What makes people think a board who have a trigger happy reputation and a short patience threshold with managers is suddenly now going to act differently with David Gray?

Lose our next two games and he’s gone.

Ideally we rally at Tannadice and enjoy a win against Hearts and build up a bit of steam, but any Hibs manager in this era is always just one sticky spell then two consecutive bad defeats from the sack. It’s probably one of the main reasons David Gray got the job, as a lot of potential candidates would likely be treating the proposition of becoming Hibs manager with extreme caution.

Nonsense

[Carheenlea]

Do you honestly believe that?

Not a chance he's gone this early in the season and rightfully so.

I don’t trust our board not to.

[Chorley Hibee]

This 100%.

There is an element of our support that just can't cope with a poor run of results and seem to think a change of manger every 6 months is a good way to run a football club.

Football matches are all about fine lines and I think it's fair to say David Gray has been a little unlucky of late.

A poor run of results.

That poor run is about 3/4 years long now.

As I said previously, we're not unlucky, we're just a very poor side.

[Real Emerald]

He’s been caretaker four times and knows the club after being at it for numerous years as a player and a coach which was probably seen as something he had in his favour over other candidates.

I really don’t get this about him being a cowardly appointment TBH .

I never said anything about cowardly and caretaker is absolutely not the same as having held down a successful managers job. As I said earlier no other club in the Premiership or even the Championship would have put him straight in as manager so it was not a logical appointment. I’m obviously hoping he wins our next two games and turns things around which would make a huge difference. 🤞

[Coco Bryce]

He’s been caretaker four times and knows the club after being at it for numerous years as a player and a coach which was probably seen as something he had in his favour over other candidates.

I really don’t get this about him being a cowardly appointment TBH .

Yet he still plays the players that have cost the other managers their jobs.

[Jones28]

What makes people think a board who have a trigger happy reputation and a short patience threshold with managers is suddenly now going to act differently with David Gray?

Lose our next two games and he’s gone.

Ideally we rally at Tannadice and enjoy a win against Hearts and build up a bit of steam, but any Hibs manager in this era is always just one sticky spell then two consecutive bad defeats from the sack. It’s probably one of the main reasons David Gray got the job, as a lot of potential candidates would likely be treating the proposition of becoming Hibs manager with extreme caution.

2 defeats from the sack? You really believe that?

[Unseen work]

I don’t think we’re at the stage where Gray is close to getting sacked yet.

The points are nowhere near good enough, but I think the signs are there of what he is trying to do and the players are still with him.

Losing late goals to Killie and Dundee has killed us. I think Malky will be explaining that to the board and trying to ease their worries a bit.

My fear is hearts get their first win of the season against us at Easter road and then the fan reaction will be huge

[Since90+2]

2 defeats from the sack? You really believe that?

I don't think he'd be sacked, but if we lose our next 2 he'll be under major pressure. Good chance we'd be sitting in the bottom 2.

Any Hibs manager sitting in that position after 9 league games is going to be under pressure to turns things around, and very quickly.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Much as we are not exactly creating chance after chance, It is individual errors costing us. I thought yesterdays first half was far better than v St J.

First goal how is that ball getting down the side of us so easily and how is the keeper getting beat from there?

Second goal wtf is Cadden up to letting the ball bounce away from him in our penalty area and we get beat in the air from a long throw into our box.

I thought we were looking solid as a unit for the first hour. Then under minimal pressure we were absolutely rocking. The goalie set the tone at the start of the second half dwelling on it leading to Ekpiteta getting booked and O'hora seemed to lose his head after the equaliser - almost a carbon copy of the simon murray goal with the ball played round behind him which he got a toe on to put out for a corner.

I pretty much agreed with the starting line-up and agreed with the subs at the time.

Problem is because of throwing away leads a few weeks ago we are in dire need of points now. The derby is massive for him no doubt about it.

[Not In The Know]

Theres got to be some kind of middle ground between where he’s started and things being fixed though.

Aberdeen have won 13 on the bounce. That’s a bit of a freak run and I don’t think anyone saw it coming. But they were every bit as bad as us last year and went on to sell their best player as well. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to have expected somewhere between what we’ve done and what they’ve done.

We need to start seeing some form of results and progress very soon.

You can’t argue that the Dons haven’t started well. But they have had a lot of things fall into place for them.

The first test was today and if 5heids had been of the pies they would have been in trouble. They then go onto win against 10 men.


better to be luck than good eh!!


Thats what makes yesterday so annoying. We were all hoping to kick on. But the same old crap undone is.

[Onion]

This 100%.

There is an element of our support that just can't cope with a poor run of results and seem to think a change of manger every 6 months is a good way to run a football club.

Football matches are all about fine lines and I think it's fair to say David Gray has been a little unlucky of late.

He needs to get lucky :greengrin SDG's record as interim manager was excellent, but since given the keys to the top job, has been a dud. There's no logical reason for him being given the job, but here we are.

Saying that, there were definite positive signs yesterday with the way he set the team up from the off. Solid at the back, dominant in midfield, just missing chances up front. For months if not years, Hibs have been slow and ponderous, playing lateral balls across the back until they lost possession - or aimlessly lumping balls forward to no one mainly because our midfield was so bad. We did not see much of that on Sat. Most of our players were positive thinking, looking to pass, move or run forward. Cadden chance was a good example, where Miko won the ball, turned a ran at the Well defence, before laying on a sitter for Cadden. We rarely saw that a few weeks ago.

Think we have the players to do ok. If SDG can't get a tune out of them, then he will need to go, as am sure a better manager will.

[B.H.F.C]

You can’t argue that the Dons haven’t started well. But they have had a lot of things fall into place for them.

The first test was today and if 5heids had been of the pies they would have been in trouble. They then go onto win against 10 men.


better to be luck than good eh!!


Thats what makes yesterday so annoying. We were all hoping to kick on. But the same old crap undone is.

I don’t disagree that they’ve had plenty things fall in to place. But if we’d had such things fall in to place, I doubt we’d be close to having 13 wins on the bounce. It’s a freak run really but you can’t argue with it, as annoying as it is.

[CMac1988]

You can’t argue that the Dons haven’t started well. But they have had a lot of things fall into place for them.

The first test was today and if 5heids had been of the pies they would have been in trouble. They then go onto win against 10 men.


better to be luck than good eh!!


Thats what makes yesterday so annoying. We were all hoping to kick on. But the same old crap undone is.

Something something you make your own luck.

They are where they are cause they've been better than the rest of the teams bar one so far. I'd kill for us to win two games in a row never mind 7 league games (13 in all).

[kentao]

Bull ****

He has a good squad & picked the wrong team

Campbell as no10?

That's a relegation choice

You've got Gayle & Rudi & plenty options to stretch the oppisition

Josh Campbell is never that guy & yesterday is on the Manager I'm afraid

I`m not saying Campbells the right answer but since missing out on Luke McCowan he is the best we have at this current moment. Rudi is a player i have high hopes for but he hasn't created anything in the 10 position against premiership opposition, The same goes for Levitt.

Playing Gayle instead of Campbell would be a change of shape if we are going 2 up top but it means losing a man in midfield to a 3-5-2 Motherwell.

I just don't see with the option Gray has on the bench how he could have setup us up better.

[DIXIHIBS]

I thought we were looking solid as a unit for the first hour. Then under minimal pressure we were absolutely rocking. The goalie set the tone at the start of the second half dwelling on it leading to Ekpiteta getting booked and O'hora seemed to lose his head after the equaliser -

Said exactly the same thing last night. It seemed to trigger a nervousness about the defence and they couldn't regain their composure after that.

[B.H.F.C]

I`m not saying Campbells the right answer but since missing out on Luke McCowan he is the best we have at this current moment. Rudi is a player i have high hopes for but he hasn't created anything in the 10 position against premiership opposition, The same goes for Levitt.

Playing Gayle instead of Campbell would be a change of shape if we are going 2 up top but it means losing a man in midfield to a 3-5-2 Motherwell.

I just don't see with the option Gray has on the bench how he could have setup us up better.

Where Campbell was playing yesterday added to the way he was playing, you could have easily brought Gayle on without losing anything in the middle of the park. Campbell was playing as virtually a second striker as it was. Campbell’s defensive contribution was to lazily pull someone back conceding a free kick then compound it by not bothering to track the goalscorer.

Even if it did mean tweaking the shape then he should have been brave enough to do it. If not at half time then certainly after the equaliser when we should have had the momentum and tried to capitalise on it.

[kentao]

If you are asking me - I'd have had Levitt and Molotnikov starting and possibly Youan (depending on where I thought his head was at). Certainly a more attacking team at home to Motherwell anyway. Off the bench, Gayle on earlier to be aggressive and go win the game - to go on with Myko as a 2, not to swap out for the status quo of one up top. Options limited with Bowie and Boyle out etc but even so, there's plenty ways still to change it up.

Who would you swap Levitt and Rudi for?

Youan when he was in the mood would take Caddens place for me but at the moment he's as good as a man down.

Motherwell aren't a bad team with 2 losses from Der Huns and Aberdeen picking up victories against St Mirren, Hearts, Dundee United(cup), Kilmarnock and St Johnstone.

[kentao]

Where Campbell was playing yesterday added to the way he was playing, you could have easily brought Gayle on without losing anything in the middle of the park. Campbell was playing as virtually a second striker as it was. Campbell’s defensive contribution was to lazily pull someone back conceding a free kick then compound it by not bothering to track the goalscorer.

Even if it did mean tweaking the shape then he should have been brave enough to do it. If not at half time then certainly after the equaliser when we should have had the momentum and tried to capitalise on it.

Why would he tweak the shape when we had bossed the game and should have been out of sight by the time they scored, Campbell wasn't great but the options we have wont be night and day difference.

[B.H.F.C]

Why would he tweak the shape when we had bossed the game and should have been out of sight by the time they scored, Campbell wasn't great but the options we have wont be night and day difference.

Maybe because we weren’t out of sight and, for all the ball, hadn’t created that much? Prior to them going one up we’d had two really clear cut chances, it was hardly chance after chance. Gray only reacted to things yesterday and by the time he did it was too late. We will always give teams a chance and sitting watching that game yesterday it felt entirely predictable how it was going to go. I thought he just let things drift.

[CapitalGreen]

Why would he tweak the shape when we had bossed the game and should have been out of sight by the time they scored, Campbell wasn't great but the options we have wont be night and day difference.

I’d have Levitt starting in place of Campbell every day of the week, he can control and pass a ball which would be a missive improvement on JC.

I’d also have had Rudi in one of the wide positions in place of Cadden where he was playing well earlier in the season.

[Unseen work]

Who would you swap Levitt and Rudi for?

Youan when he was in the mood would take Caddens place for me but at the moment he's as good as a man down.

Motherwell aren't a bad team with 2 losses from Der Huns and Aberdeen picking up victories against St Mirren, Hearts, Dundee United(cup), Kilmarnock and St Johnstone.

I’d like to see Levitt in a midfield 3 with Triantis and Kwon.

Almost let him float about and go and get on it with the knowledge he has two big physical lads left to him.

Our only midfielder I think had the ability to score from distance, vision to see a pass and ability to execute a pass that most wouldn’t

[kentao]

Yet he still plays the players that have cost the other managers their jobs.

What players do you expect him to play? We are Hibs FFS not Man City where is all the money coming from to replace the likes of Campbell, Cadden, Miller and 5 or 6 others for the bench.

The recruitment team have made a start to righting the wrongs and by the end of January i expect us to improve again. There's not chance this mess could have been sorted out within 1 window we have been chronic for about 4 years. A bit of patients and the results will start to go our way, its not like we haven't been creating chances or competing against the teams fighting for top 6 the exception being the St Mirren game.

[bingo70]

I’d like to see Levitt in a midfield 3 with Triantis and Kwon.

Almost let him float about and go and get on it with the knowledge he has two big physical lads left to him.

Our only midfielder I think had the ability to score from distance, vision to see a pass and ability to execute a pass that most wouldn’t

I’d pick Amos ahead of Campbell just now as well.

Amos has been written off but for me he’s never had a decent run of games. We know what Campbell is, we know what he offers and he’s definitely not good enough imo. Amos might end up not being good enough and he’s not looked particularly impressive when he has played, it is possible he could come on to a game though, we’ve watched Campbell for long enough to know that’s unlikely to happen for him.

[CapitalGreen]

What players do you expect him to play? We are Hibs FFS not Man City where is all the money coming from to replace the likes of Campbell, Cadden, Miller and 5 or 6 others for the bench.

The recruitment team have made a start to righting the wrongs and by the end of January i expect us to improve again. There's not chance this mess could have been sorted out within 1 window we have been chronic for about 4 years. A bit of patients and the results will start to go our way, its not like we haven't been creating chances or competing against the teams fighting for top 6 the exception being the St Mirren game.

Teams with significantly smaller budgets than us seem to find players better than Campbell and Cadden quite easily. Ross County had Josh Nisbet putting in a really good performance in midfield today against Celtic, he was known to us and available on a free all summer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’d pick Amos ahead of Campbell just now as well.

Amos has been written off but for me he’s never had a decent run of games. We know what Campbell is, we know what he offers and he’s definitely not good enough imo. Amos might end up not being good enough and he’s not looked particularly impressive when he has played, it is possible he could come on to a game though, we’ve watched Campbell for long enough to know that’s unlikely to happen for him.

You’d have to presume Amos is one of those that’s been sidelined by the club.

[Unseen work]

I’d pick Amos ahead of Campbell just now as well.

Amos has been written off but for me he’s never had a decent run of games. We know what Campbell is, we know what he offers and he’s definitely not good enough imo. Amos might end up not being good enough and he’s not looked particularly impressive when he has played, it is possible he could come on to a game though, we’ve watched Campbell for long enough to know that’s unlikely to happen for him.

Yeah I’d agree with that tbf.

It’s hard to judge players like him when he gets 20 minutes every now and again when he’s not been fit for the best part of 18 months.

Would be interesting to see how he would perform if we got say 5-10 starts in a row

[CapitalGreen]

You’d have to presume Amos is one of those that’s been sidelined by the club.

I’m not sure if he is, DG said during the week he’d been out injured and had just returned to training. Does seem to favour JC over giving him any minutes though.

[Hibees1973]

We would have a better 11 if Boyle replaced Cadden, Newell for Campbell & Bowie for Myko. We must have a player who can replace Miller at right back, it may have to be Cadden. Cadden is marginally better at right back than further forward.

My fear is it will be some time before we can get all three on the park and when Bowie is eventually back our league position may be dire. The club could be under immense pressure when it becomes increasing difficult to get results.

I'm not sure when our next win will come as there always seems to be one or two players in each game who let us down badly.

[Jim44]

I don’t know if this is the right thread to say this, but, in my opinion, Gray was promoted to legend status because of the fantastic goal in the final and the significance of that victory. He might very well not have scored and, who knows, Rangers might have gone on to beat us in the end. He then wouldn’t have had the same career path. Scoring ‘that’ goal was no assurance that he could or would go on to manage the club, far less, take us to greater things, which we are unfortunately incapable of at this moment in time. I feel sorry for David but if he can’t get us into a winning mode, he’ll have to go sooner than later.

[Unseen work]

We would have a better 11 if Boyle replaced Cadden, Newell for Campbell & Bowie for Myko. We must have a player who can replace Miller at right back, it may have to be Cadden. Cadden is marginally better at right back than further forward.

My fear is it will be some time before we can get all three on the park and when Bowie is eventually back our league position may be dire. The club could be under immense pressure when it becomes increasing difficult to get results.

I'm not sure when our next win will come as there always seems to be one or two players in each game who let us down badly.

The right back position is the one that gets me

Megwa is supposedly a top youngster, well thought of and done brilliant on loan

But doesn’t get a sniff, surely he’s worthy of a run

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m not sure if he is, DG said during the week he’d been out injured and had just returned to training. Does seem to favour JC over giving him any minutes though.

Wonder whether we’ll see him then. Apparently he’s been down at Porty Powerleague training on his own which is why I presumed he had been.

[bingo70]

Wonder whether we’ll see him then. Apparently he’s been down at Porty Powerleague training on his own which is why I presumed he had been.

Ellie Youann does that as well.

I’ve seen Amos down the prom as well so I assume they both stay there.

[McGruber]

Who would you swap Levitt and Rudi for?

Youan when he was in the mood would take Caddens place for me but at the moment he's as good as a man down.

Motherwell aren't a bad team with 2 losses from Der Huns and Aberdeen picking up victories against St Mirren, Hearts, Dundee United(cup), Kilmarnock and St Johnstone.

Levitt for Campbell. Want to see him play with Triantis and Kwon giving him more freedom and getting on the ball further up the park. Think we are missing that creativity in a central position. Rudi in aswell, not sure- either Cadden or Miller, one of playing right back. Looking to be brave and win at home, would have had Gayle on with Myko to have 2 up. Would have had Youan on. All in all think the team was about perfect for Ibrox but just too cautious for this game

[Criswell]

Gray wanted the job, Gray got the job. If he is going to prove himself capable of doing the job then he has got to start showing it soon. I hope he can. I actually think he has a decent squad which should be doing better. Hopefully he has learned which players are a total liability and which ones he can rely on. That collapse on Saturday was an embarrassment and painful to watch. Unprofessional does not come even close! This really cannot be tolerated again. So over to you Sir David.

[Smartie]

I thought we were looking solid as a unit for the first hour. Then under minimal pressure we were absolutely rocking. The goalie set the tone at the start of the second half dwelling on it leading to Ekpiteta getting booked and O'hora seemed to lose his head after the equaliser -

Said exactly the same thing last night. It seemed to trigger a nervousness about the defence and they couldn't regain their composure after that.

Yeah, that’s a couple of times we’ve collectively lost our **** and gone on to have a very poor result when we should have really just knuckled down and figured out a way back into the game - Saturday and away to St Mirren. They are the concerning results and performances.

The rest of the games were a win vs St Johnstone, a couple of games vs the big Glasgow teams and a couple of draws in games we could have won.

Overall it’s not good enough but it’s not catastrophic - yet. There does seem to be a mental frailty at times though and it’s one that has been there for a while, transcending playing squads and managerial teams.

[Nutmegged]

Yeah, that’s a couple of times we’ve collectively lost our **** and gone on to have a very poor result when we should have really just knuckled down and figured out a way back into the game - Saturday and away to St Mirren. They are the concerning results and performances.

The rest of the games were a win vs St Johnstone, a couple of games vs the big Glasgow teams and a couple of draws in games we could have won.

Overall it’s not good enough but it’s not catastrophic - yet. There does seem to be a mental frailty at times though and it’s one that has been there for a while, transcending playing squads and managerial teams.

You're right, it's not yet catastrophic amd that in it's own way presents just as much as a problem, it feels like we're in that place between being rotten and catastrophic, a kind of no mans land where we loiter for longer thsn we should and before we know it, another season is gone before it's got started.

[JimBHibees]

All hypothetical obviously but I think it’s too easy to just say you give someone a year of 18 months or whatever.

If you’re not getting results you can’t just get an indefinite amount of time. If you got to 12, 15, 18 games and still only had a single win do you just keep plodding on in hope.

I’m not saying that’s what I think will happen and it’s certainly not what I want to happen but time has to be earned.

Don't disagree with that and think there does need to be an awareness that he needs to show some capability however the bottom line is as a fanbase we are ridiculously reactive and lacking any sort of patience.

[GreenCastle]

Yeah, that’s a couple of times we’ve collectively lost our **** and gone on to have a very poor result when we should have really just knuckled down and figured out a way back into the game - Saturday and away to St Mirren. They are the concerning results and performances.

The rest of the games were a win vs St Johnstone, a couple of games vs the big Glasgow teams and a couple of draws in games we could have won.

Overall it’s not good enough but it’s not catastrophic - yet. There does seem to be a mental frailty at times though and it’s one that has been there for a while, transcending playing squads and managerial teams.

My concern is we heard about the recruitment and MM talk about the right character etc.

Well we still have players ****ting the bed under pressure so nothing seems to have changed.

It was hard to even tell once again who was captain at the weekend. It’s the same when Newell plays - lack of leadership etc.

I want to see individuals drag us out of trouble or win big headers when under pressure.

We even had Lennon Miller clear one off the line first half - the 18 year old then goes and sets up the equaliser with a great pass.

We have built a hard working / physical team but 2nd half we started slowly with the GK and centre back doing what they did only a few weeks ago and then we got worse as the half went on.

[Heisenberg]

I think it’s been clear that SDG is a new manager learning his trade. I don’t think that it’s been helped by players making so many basic errors leading to goals while at the other end we continue to miss chances. Probably fair to say at this stage that replacing the goalie and two centre halves with the signings we made hasn’t improved us at all at the back. For all the praise O’Hora has had at times I’m really not convinced by him

[JimBHibees]

I think it’s been clear that SDG is a new manager learning his trade. I don’t think that it’s been helped by players making so many basic errors leading to goals while at the other end we continue to miss chances. Probably fair to say at this stage that replacing the goalie and two centre halves with the signings we made hasn’t improved us at all at the back. For all the praise O’Hora has had at times I’m really not convinced by him

Wouldn't disagree with that. Kind of wish we had gone for Ross Graham of United big physical left sided centre back. Think Monty was watching him end of last season.

[Trinity Hibee]

Something something you make your own luck.

They are where they are cause they've been better than the rest of the teams bar one so far. I'd kill for us to win two games in a row never mind 7 league games (13 in all).

Exactly. Folk very quick to play down what is a superb turnaround under a new manager. We’ve not had a turnaround remotely close to this with any manager. It’s always next season with Hibs, never now.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think it’s been clear that SDG is a new manager learning his trade. I don’t think that it’s been helped by players making so many basic errors leading to goals while at the other end we continue to miss chances. Probably fair to say at this stage that replacing the goalie and two centre halves with the signings we made hasn’t improved us at all at the back. For all the praise O’Hora has had at times I’m really not convinced by him

O'Hora is average at best, nice on the ball but no positional sense, gets the wrong side of his man too often and couple that with a left back who's so similar, we are weak down the left.

Not that the right is strong though, Miller is absolute dugsheite, never a footballer at this low level, and folk wonder why we lose so many goals with a back line with those 3 in it.

[Unseen work]

O'Hora is average at best, nice on the ball but no positional sense, gets the wrong side of his man too often and couple that with a left back who's so similar, we are weak down the left.

Not that the right is strong though, Miller is absolute dugsheite, never a footballer at this low level, and folk wonder why we lose so many goals with a back line with those 3 in it.

I think O’hora is struggling more playing on the left as he isn’t used to it, think we’d see a different player on the right

[CentreLine]

Of former players, appointed as manager/head coach, we have to go back to Eddie Turnbull to get a true success. And even his success was short lived. John Collins had a moment and otherwise former players, heroes all, have been failures in management. It’s slow but I do think SDG is heading in the right direction and certainly not a disaster.

He was handed over a stinker of a mess from way too many managerial changes and a squad full of expensive duds. I think he’s doing good in the circumstances.

However, if we had not sacked Jack Ross and the club had spent the same money we have since his sacking, I believe we’d be flying right now. We should be careful what we wish for and have to stop squealing for change every time we have a but result.

Whatever management we have in place just now has to live with the millstone of unwise signings who must be moved off the wage bill before we can see proper progress. It’s crap but it’s the reality of where we are

Onwards and upwards with SDG.

[GreenCastle]

I think O’hora is struggling more playing on the left as he isn’t used to it, think we’d see a different player on the right

I’m still not sure the thinking behind this - surely Hibs realised when recruiting him he played mostly on the right.

Don’t think it’s helped with Obitia being so average this season.

[CentreLine]

I’m still not sure the thinking behind this - surely Hibs realised when recruiting him he played mostly on the right.

Don’t think it’s helped with Obitia being so average this season.

I’m interested to see how Iredale performs as he’s a natural left sided defender

[Unseen work]

My concern is we heard about the recruitment and MM talk about the right character etc.

Well we still have players ****ting the bed under pressure so nothing seems to have changed.

It was hard to even tell once again who was captain at the weekend. It’s the same when Newell plays - lack of leadership etc.

I want to see individuals drag us out of trouble or win big headers when under pressure.

We even had Lennon Miller clear one off the line first half - the 18 year old then goes and sets up the equaliser with a great pass.

We have built a hard working / physical team but 2nd half we started slowly with the GK and centre back doing what they did only a few weeks ago and then we got worse as the half went on.

I just find stuff like this so selective.

Did we crumbled under pressure or did we just concede poor goals due to individual errors/lapses of concentration again?

I think O’Hora is a leader and you see him constantly speaking. He cant stop others making mistakes

You mention Miller for them, did he drag them out of it? I don’t think his pass was brilliant at all, a well worked routine yes but Campbell switches off snd Bursik should cover his post better imo.

Can hoilett not be classed as dragging us out of it by winning the ball back, running himself and scoring? Or Myk when he wins it back, drives forward and puts it on a plate for Cadden? Marv and O’Hora won a ton of headers throughout the game, Kwon completely switching off doesn’t take away from that.

[Unseen work]

I’m still not sure the thinking behind this - surely Hibs realised when recruiting him he played mostly on the right.

Don’t think it’s helped with Obitia being so average this season.

Yeah it did seem an odd one, it’s one thing being good at playing out from the back or being semi comfortable on your left foot. Completely different defending the left side imo due to body shape etc

[DIXIHIBS]

Of former players, appointed as manager/head coach, we have to go back to Eddie Turnbull to get a true success. And even his success was short lived. John Collins had a moment and otherwise former players, heroes all, have been failures in management. It’s slow but I do think SDG is heading in the right direction and certainly not a disaster.
He was handed over a stinker of a mess from way too many managerial changes and a squad full of expensive duds. I think he’s doing good in the circumstances.

However, if we had not sacked Jack Ross and the club had spent the same money we have since his sacking, I believe we’d be flying right now. We should be careful what we wish for and have to stop squealing for change every time we have a but result.

Whatever management we have in place just now has to live with the millstone of unwise signings who must be moved off the wage bill before we can see proper progress. It’s crap but it’s the reality of where we are

Onwards and upwards with SDG.

I don't think it's just ex players. Since Turnbull there has been very few successful managers from anywhere at Hibs. FWIW I know we seem to be one step forward two back at the moment but I think Gray will be okay. Cut out the errors and show a bit of bottle and we will be fine.

[Nutmegged]

I think if you get a manager and you see notable progression, finishing 3rd and getting to two cup finals in Jack Ross' case, then I also think you need to show patience when things stall and it becomes a bit of a struggle, I was as bored as the next guy during 2021-22 and I'd agree that having no fans in the stadium the season before probably allowed Ross to play his style without having to face too much criticism, but I've also seen his teams play some good stuff to, so we probably should have more patience, Scottish Football outwith Celtic and Rangers is a bit of a basketcase, anyone can go on long winning runs or long losing runs, we're no different.

The most exciting I've seen us since Mowbray was when Lennon brought us up in 2017-18, we were fast, aggressive and had goals all over the park, losing the players we lost was never going to be easy to replace, and Lennon struggled, but again I feel we already seen what he could do, so I felt we should've preserved until the end of the season and seen what he could've done that summer, whether he would've stayed if Celtic came in for him after Rodgers left is another matter but at least that way we wouldn't have been seen to be chasing what was moderately a successful Hibs manager.

[PPZPOL]

I think it’s been clear that SDG is a new manager learning his trade. I don’t think that it’s been helped by players making so many basic errors leading to goals while at the other end we continue to miss chances. Probably fair to say at this stage that replacing the goalie and two centre halves with the signings we made hasn’t improved us at all at the back. For all the praise O’Hora has had at times I’m really not convinced by him

Part of learning your trade as a manager is figuring out who you can and can’t trust to not make basic errors. I think it is the same players making the same mistakes, that had also been making the same mistakes when he was a coach. I’m more concerned he’s not identified those quickly as he’ll be ending up in the same place as LJ, SM and NM if he keeps picking those players.

You’ve got to learn fast in this business.

[WestStandWillie]

I wouldn't say he's out his depth. That's just a lazy phrase that gets chucked about all too easily these days.

He knows the club and it'll take a couple of windows to get the squad where it needs to be.

Might require some short term pain for long term gain but another bottom 6 season won't help ST sales and post split attendances will be rank rotten. Something's got to give.

[B.H.F.C]

I wouldn't say he's out his depth. That's just a lazy phrase that gets chucked about all too easily these days.

He knows the club and it'll take a couple of windows to get the squad where it needs to be.

Might require some short term pain for long term gain but another bottom 6 season won't help ST sales and post split attendances will be rank rotten. Something's got to give.

Doesn’t take everyone a couple of windows to get improvement. That’s what we need to see now, not in a year or so.

[Trinity Hibee]

Doesn’t take everyone a couple of windows to get improvement. That’s what we need to see now, not in a year or so.

Yep. Although next summer is when we have a lot of out of contract players so is the best chance we’ll have to properly revamp the squad. If we can’t get it right next summer then there is no helping us

[easty]

Doesn’t take everyone a couple of windows to get improvement. That’s what we need to see now, not in a year or so.

When you've been allowed to sign a spine of a team, you need to show improvement straight away in my opinion.

We signed a keeper, 2 centre halfs, 2 centre mids and a centre forward.

We're barely (if any) better than last season.

I'm definitely not screaming for SDG to go, but it's not going well for him.

[McGruber]

Doesn’t take everyone a couple of windows to get improvement. That’s what we need to see now, not in a year or so.

We've signed 11 or 12 players. This next window/couple windows chat is what it has always been, a nonesense.

Anyone in this league outwith the old firm can change their fortune one season to the next with good recruitment and or coaching. Happens with other clubs every season.

[Chorley Hibee]

When you've been allowed to sign a spine of a team, you need to show improvement straight away in my opinion.

We signed a keeper, 2 centre halfs, 2 centre mids and a centre forward.

We're barely (if any) better than last season.

I'm definitely not screaming for SDG to go, but it's not going well for him.

What annoys me is that much of the spine is, yet again, made up of short-term loans, so we'll be back in this position of starting all over soon enough.

It's just a constant inability to build a team in time for the start of a season and here we are, again, over-reliant upon the loan market to paper over the cracks.

I'm not even convinced that the loans are that much of an improvement, if any, either.

[Real Emerald]

I wouldn't say he's out his depth. That's just a lazy phrase that gets chucked about all too easily these days.

He knows the club and it'll take a couple of windows to get the squad where it needs to be.

Might require some short term pain for long term gain but another bottom 6 season won't help ST sales and post split attendances will be rank rotten. Something's got to give.

Another couple of windows and another couple of windows is all we ever hear. We have been averaging 16/17k crowds for years now but other teams with less than half that and way less investment than us can turn their fortunes around in one good window. We are failing with every window that passes and have been since winning cup 8 years ago or at least since the Jack Ross fiasco. No more excuses.

[Real Emerald]

What annoys me is that much of the spine is, yet again, made up of short-term loans, so we'll be back in this position of starting all over soon enough.

It's just a constant inability to build a team in time for the start of a season and here we are, again, over-reliant upon the loan market to paper over the cracks.

I'm not even convinced that the loans are that much of an improvement, if any, either.

Agree with this.

[Real Emerald]

What annoys me is that much of the spine is, yet again, made up of short-term loans, so we'll be back in this position of starting all over soon enough.

It's just a constant inability to build a team in time for the start of a season and here we are, again, over-reliant upon the loan market to paper over the cracks.

I'm not even convinced that the loans are that much of an improvement, if any, either.

Agree with this.

[JimBHibees]

I just find stuff like this so selective.

Did we crumbled under pressure or did we just concede poor goals due to individual errors/lapses of concentration again?

I think O’Hora is a leader and you see him constantly speaking. He cant stop others making mistakes

You mention Miller for them, did he drag them out of it? I don’t think his pass was brilliant at all, a well worked routine yes but Campbell switches off snd Bursik should cover his post better imo.

Can hoilett not be classed as dragging us out of it by winning the ball back, running himself and scoring? Or Myk when he wins it back, drives forward and puts it on a plate for Cadden? Marv and O’Hora won a ton of headers throughout the game, Kwon completely switching off doesn’t take away from that.


Good post agree with that

[JohnM1875]

Lose the next two and I think things could get pretty ugly.

[sauzee1989]

I’m interested to see how Iredale performs as he’s a natural left sided defender

By all accounts Bolton fans were celebrating when he left so he’s very much a panic last min signing needed incase of an injury so we don’t need to use Rocky

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I’d pick Amos ahead of Campbell just now as well.

Amos has been written off but for me he’s never had a decent run of games. We know what Campbell is, we know what he offers and he’s definitely not good enough imo. Amos might end up not being good enough and he’s not looked particularly impressive when he has played, it is possible he could come on to a game though, we’ve watched Campbell for long enough to know that’s unlikely to happen for him.

I’d pick Tori Amos ahead of Josh Campbell.

[degenerated]

By all accounts Bolton fans were celebrating when he left so he’s very much a panic last min signing needed incase of an injury so we don’t need to use RockyCan you point me to where they were celebrating?

I looked at their forums at the time and can't recall seeing anything like that at all.

[GreenCastle]

I just find stuff like this so selective.

Did we crumbled under pressure or did we just concede poor goals due to individual errors/lapses of concentration again?

I think O’Hora is a leader and you see him constantly speaking. He cant stop others making mistakes

You mention Miller for them, did he drag them out of it? I don’t think his pass was brilliant at all, a well worked routine yes but Campbell switches off snd Bursik should cover his post better imo.

Can hoilett not be classed as dragging us out of it by winning the ball back, running himself and scoring? Or Myk when he wins it back, drives forward and puts it on a plate for Cadden? Marv and O’Hora won a ton of headers throughout the game, Kwon completely switching off doesn’t take away from that.

I do feel like it’s both - we mentally couldn’t deal with the pressure - so we made mistakes and they scored. A better team stays in the game at 1v1 - doesn’t get a player sent off and ideally pushes on to win it.

3 minutes after the poor discipline we lose the goal to make it 2v1.

Millers pass was quality - if you see the angle behind the goal - it is the perfect weight of pass and curves into the space. Miller just turned 18 and will go onto bigger things than Motherwell.

Hoilett was the best Hibs player at the weekend and he also created and finished his goal well - that’s what we need more of. Rare a Hibs player does that though.

The 2nd half was full of mistakes - first half was decent enough without scoring but 2nd half we actually didn’t win as many headers and look as organised.

We also had our most corners this season and rarely looked like scoring from any of them. Compare to last week against Rangers and we looked dangerous every set piece!

[Donegal Hibby]

By all accounts Bolton fans were celebrating when he left so he’s very much a panic last min signing needed incase of an injury so we don’t need to use Rocky

I don’t honestly know anything about the player but seemed to be highly thought of at the club before Bolton by fans and people at the club ….

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cambridge-united-defender-jack-iredale-22328077

[hibee-boys]

I’d pick Tori Amos ahead of Josh Campbell.

Is there anyone other SDG that thinks Campbell should be a starter? If there was ever an opportunity to roll the dice, and start with a better ball player at 10, it was at home to Motherwell. I understood Josh playing at Ibrox but Levitt, Youan and Rudi must’ve been watching on wondering if they’d ever get a chance. I would’ve honestly also rather had Mckirdy playing in behind Myko.

[easty]

What annoys me is that much of the spine is, yet again, made up of short-term loans, so we'll be back in this position of starting all over soon enough.

It's just a constant inability to build a team in time for the start of a season and here we are, again, over-reliant upon the loan market to paper over the cracks.

I'm not even convinced that the loans are that much of an improvement, if any, either.

They're season long loans aren't they? I don't class that as short-term, and I don't really have any problem with season long loans so long as they improve us.

Triantis is one of them, and has already been here a while anyway, and if we want to keep him long term I doubt Sunderland would be hard to deal with. The guy was signed for Sunderland as a promising young centre half from the Aussie league, he looked useless at centre half when stepping up to SPL level. Now he's a key part of the least effective midfield in the league at SPL level.

Not a chance he's ever making it in midfield at Sunderland, and he's not developing as a centre half now, so Sunderland will have nae use for him.

[Chorley Hibee]

They're season long loans aren't they? I don't class that as short-term, and I don't really have any problem with season long loans so long as they improve us.

Triantis is one of them, and has already been here a while anyway, and if we want to keep him long term I doubt Sunderland would be hard to deal with. The guy was signed for Sunderland as a promising young centre half from the Aussie league, he looked useless at centre half when stepping up to SPL level. Now he's a key part of the least effective midfield in the league at SPL level.

Not a chance he's ever making it in midfield at Sunderland, and he's not developing as a centre half now, so Sunderland will have nae use for him.

I don't think he's worthy of being signed up, not what I've seen so far (last season included).

I think there's considerably better out there and it's just another lazy signing by Hibs.

[snedzuk]

I do feel like it’s both - we mentally couldn’t deal with the pressure - so we made mistakes and they scored. A better team stays in the game at 1v1 - doesn’t get a player sent off and ideally pushes on to win it.

3 minutes after the poor discipline we lose the goal to make it 2v1.

Millers pass was quality - if you see the angle behind the goal - it is the perfect weight of pass and curves into the space. Miller just turned 18 and will go onto bigger things than Motherwell.

Hoilett was the best Hibs player at the weekend and he also created and finished his goal well - that’s what we need more of. Rare a Hibs player does that though.

The 2nd half was full of mistakes - first half was decent enough without scoring but 2nd half we actually didn’t win as many headers and look as organised.

We also had our most corners this season and rarely looked like scoring from any of them. Compare to last week against Rangers and we looked dangerous every set piece!

Been a lot said about our mistakes, but while Hoiletts goal was superb, it came directly from an error by O'Donnell. Other sides make individual errors as well and we capitalised on that one.

[flash]

I don't think he's worthy of being signed up, not what I've seen so far (last season included).

I think there's considerably better out there and it's just another lazy signing by Hibs.

He has been absolutely fine other than one minute of madness on Saturday but you know that already.

[Chorley Hibee]

He has been absolutely fine other than one minute of madness on Saturday but you know that already.

No, in your opinion he's been absolutely fine, but in my opinion he's the latest in a raft of players middling somewhere between poor and decidedly average.

The fact that someone like Triantis is put forward as a decent signing shows you how poor we've become.

He's someone who'll fit in nicely at a team bumbling around in the bottom half of the league, coincidentally where we find ourselves most of the time.

[NC1875]

He has been absolutely fine other than one minute of madness on Saturday but you know that already.

Agree, he’s been fine. He should’ve been subbed on Saturday before being sent off to be fair. Another mistake from our rookie manager.

We can go on about the squad all day long and while it isn’t great, we should be taking more than 5 points from 7 games. Managers shouldn’t be learning on the job at Hibs.

The next 2 games are massive for Gray already. I’m not sure we’ve seen anything so far to say we’ll get a reaction.

Another season written off already.

[itslegaltender]

our style of football is rank rotten. Its turgid stuff, Im see no sign of any actual coherent attacking strategy. bung it up the wings and hope that an aimless cross lands at the feet of one of our few players getting into the opposing penalty box.

[Donegal Hibby]

our style of football is rank rotten. Its turgid stuff, Im see no sign of any actual coherent attacking strategy. bung it up the wings and hope that an aimless cross lands at the feet of one of our few players getting into the opposing penalty box.

There’s been parts of it that’s not been great though I haven’t found it in general rank rotten or turgid tbh … I enjoy the 2nd half against St Johnstone , thought we played well against sevco and we were the better team and more dominant team against Motherwell .. still think it’s more individual mistakes that’s costing and not being clinical enough like giving away a penalty in injury time , red card etc .

[JimBHibees]

There’s been parts of it that’s not been great though I haven’t found it in general rank rotten or turgid tbh … I enjoy the 2nd half against St Johnstone , thought we played well against sevco and we were the better team and more dominant team against Motherwell .. still think it’s more individual mistakes that’s costing and not being clinical enough like giving away a penalty in injury time , red card etc .

Agree with that

[easty]

He has been absolutely fine other than one minute of madness on Saturday but you know that already.

He’s been fine in the same way that JDH can be fine.

[hibee-boys]

Agree, he’s been fine. He should’ve been subbed on Saturday before being sent off to be fair. Another mistake from our rookie manager.

We can go on about the squad all day long and while it isn’t great, we should be taking more than 5 points from 7 games. Managers shouldn’t be learning on the job at Hibs.

The next 2 games are massive for Gray already. I’m not sure we’ve seen anything so far to say we’ll get a reaction.

Another season written off already.

Happy to criticise DG and coaching team around starting line up and the subs ultimately made but I’ve never understood criticism of managers for not taking off players on yellows that subsequently are shown red. Easy to poke blame with 20/20 hindsight. Should all players be taken off as soon as they get a yellow? Don’t understand that logic.

The only person to blame is Triantis, ridiculous challenge to make when on a yellow. Anybody’s who’s played football at any level knows there are challenges you avoid when on a yellow and tackles you’d get away with trying to make when not.

[blackpoolhibs]

He has been absolutely fine other than one minute of madness on Saturday but you know that already.

We wanted that wow player, we bid £1m for the lad from Dundee who has it, we got fine though with Triantis.

[NC1875]

Happy to criticise DG and coaching team around starting line up and the subs ultimately made but I’ve never understood criticism of managers for not taking off players on yellows that subsequently are shown red. Easy to poke blame with 20/20 hindsight. Should all players be taken off as soon as they get a yellow? Don’t understand that logic.

The only person to blame is Triantis, ridiculous challenge to make when on a yellow. Anybody’s who’s played football at any level knows there are challenges you avoid when on a yellow and tackles you’d get away with trying to make when not.

Not every player but come on, he’s a defensive midfielder sitting trying to break up play. If he can’t make challenges he shouldn’t be on the park

[flash]

We wanted that wow player, we bid £1m for the lad from Dundee who has it, we got fine though with Triantis.

We were signing both of them until McCowan deal fell through.

[flash]

He’s been fine in the same way that JDH can be fine.

Right you are.

[LancsHibs]

I’m afraid SDG was a poor, lazy & cheap appointment and is destined to failure. The quicker he is replaced the better for everyone I’m afraid. A real shame as the man is a legend, has all the hallmarks of the Keizer, I do not blame David Gray but the people who appointed him.

[hibee-boys]

Not every player but come on, he’s a defensive midfielder sitting trying to break up play. If he can’t make challenges he shouldn’t be on the park

Respect your opinion but sub him as soon as he’s carded then? He’s as likely to get another yellow 2 mins later as 45 mins later. Plenty to point the finger at the management team for on Saturday but the fault lies with the player here I feel.

[hibee-boys]

We wanted that wow player, we bid £1m for the lad from Dundee who has it, we got fine though with Triantis.

I think it’s pretty clear to most people that Triantis was not signed instead of McCowan, totally different players.

[Unseen work]

our style of football is rank rotten. Its turgid stuff, Im see no sign of any actual coherent attacking strategy. bung it up the wings and hope that an aimless cross lands at the feet of one of our few players getting into the opposing penalty box.

Bursik to Miller in the hope he wins a flick on 🤣

Other than that I don’t see any patterns of play etc

[oneone73]

Not every player but come on, he’s a defensive midfielder sitting trying to break up play. If he can’t make challenges he shouldn’t be on the park

So should he have taken off Ekpiteta? No, because professionals should be able to play sensibly after a yellow. Nectaris let Hibs down, not SDG.

[MWHIBBIES]

By all accounts Bolton fans were celebrating when he left so he’s very much a panic last min signing needed incase of an injury so we don’t need to use Rocky

Rocky will come in if we have an injury, he'll be 3rd choice.

[superfurryhibby]

So should he have taken off Ekpiteta? No, because professionals should be able to play sensibly after a yellow. Nectaris let Hibs down, not SDG.

Correct. Triantis cost us with his dive and then that daft tackle.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not every player but come on, he’s a defensive midfielder sitting trying to break up play. If he can’t make challenges he shouldn’t be on the park

He can make challenges. Just not bad ones.

Can't sub him every time he's booked. Mad idea.

[A Hi-Bee]

Time will tell, we should be getting better results no excuse, end off story.

[Ozyhibby]

And we go round and round again...at some point they and we need to give someone an actual chance to change things and put the team on the right path.

How come Aberdeen don’t need as much time turn things round?


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[Ozyhibby]

So Man U would have sacked Sir Alex Ferguson on their first 11 league outings. This was never going to be a quick fix, was at least a couple of windows, and 12-18 Months to correct, so punting him after only 11 league games would be incredible.

Aberdeen seem to have fixed things quick and they were below us last season.


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[The Modfather]

How come Aberdeen don’t need as much time turn things round?


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Hibs have been gearing up towards the big squad rebuild in the summer being the answer to all our problems. However I can then see expectations being managed downwatd and talk that it’s unrealistic to sign a whole new team in one window and will take x number of windows to get to where we want to be.

[Tyler Durden]

Not really getting the "boring" or "no patterns of play" stuff here.

We do try to get the ball wide and cross it. That has helped us average 7 corners a game from our last 5 league games and we've looked dangerous from set pieces. We've probably relied too much on set pieces but even in the last 2 games, we should yes, have scored at least 2 more goals from corners.

2 or 3 times at the weekend we won the ball high in the opponents half which led to chances, including our goal.

We definitely miss a number 10 at times but there's nothing wrong with the approach IMO. Maybe those who disagree can point to the incredible patterns of play from the likes of Motherwell or Dundee Utd etc, that would be better to watch?

[Bostonhibby]

How come Aberdeen don’t need as much time turn things round?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNot just Aberdeen, plenty teams get into better shape than Hibs do with less money and in a much shorter time.

The characters in control at Hibs have got used to being able to almost condition / groom some of us to buy into this myth that it takes ever increasing lengths of time for marginal / no improvement. It's simply a front for not being willing or able to address the real issues, turkeys don't vote for xmas though.

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[Greenio]

Not every player but come on, he’s a defensive midfielder sitting trying to break up play. If he can’t make challenges he shouldn’t be on the park

He can make all the challenges he wants. Just not ones thst wil blatantly get him booked again

[easty]

Not really getting the "boring" or "no patterns of play" stuff here.

We do try to get the ball wide and cross it. That has helped us average 7 corners a game from our last 5 league games and we've looked dangerous from set pieces. We've probably relied too much on set pieces but even in the last 2 games, we should yes, have scored at least 2 more goals from corners.

2 or 3 times at the weekend we won the ball high in the opponents half which led to chances, including our goal.

We definitely miss a number 10 at times but there's nothing wrong with the approach IMO. Maybe those who disagree can point to the incredible patterns of play from the likes of Motherwell or Dundee Utd etc, that would be better to watch?

I couldn't care less about how boring we are, or the patterns of play, so long as what we're doing is effective. Just now it's not.

[raeburnhibs]

No, in your opinion he's been absolutely fine, but in my opinion he's the latest in a raft of players middling somewhere between poor and decidedly average.

The fact that someone like Triantis is put forward as a decent signing shows you how poor we've become.

He's someone who'll fit in nicely at a team bumbling around in the bottom half of the league, coincidentally where we find ourselves most of the time.

I suspect more agree with the absolutely fine poster than your reactionary over the top stuff. I personally think he is better than fine

[ChuckNor]

This thread is full of self-indulgent nonsense from people who never played football at a decent level in their lives. To say David Gray is "out his depth" and to be even contemplating letting him go this soon is utterly incredible and proves just how crap a fan base we have.

Results so far have not been good enough. Some of the performances have been though and for the vast majority of the game versus Motherwell we did more than enough to win. What we failed to do was put the ball in the back of the net with the chances that we had. That is down to the players, not the manager.

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time. We need to back him and the players to get results over the line. If anything, Saturday showed we are capable of creating excellent chances. We need to take those chances and turn the good performances into three points. I trust Gray will get us there.

[Bostonhibby]

This thread is full of self-indulgent nonsense from people who never played football at a decent level in their lives. To say David Gray is "out his depth" and to be even contemplating letting him go this soon is utterly incredible and proves just how crap a fan base we have.

Results so far have not been good enough. Some of the performances have been though and for the vast majority of the game versus Motherwell we did more than enough to win. What we failed to do was put the ball in the back of the net with the chances that we had. That is down to the players, not the manager.

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time. We need to back him and the players to get results over the line. If anything, Saturday showed we are capable of creating excellent chances. We need to take those chances and turn the good performances into three points. I trust Gray will get us there.I don't think Gray is out his depth.He has been dropped into a depth by those above him who are hoping he will use his skills and determination plus his high standing with supporters to get them out of the mess they've created. If he doesn't they'll burn him and move their ****show onto the next front man.

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[matty_f]

Not just Aberdeen, plenty teams get into better shape than Hibs do with less money and in a much shorter time.

The characters in control at Hibs have got used to being able to almost condition / groom some of us to buy into this myth that it takes ever increasing lengths of time for marginal / no improvement. It's simply a front for not being willing or able to address the real issues, turkeys don't vote for xmas though.

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I think there’s a sensible view that it might not be realistic to expect it to go from brutal to brilliant overnight, but it’s also fair to say that it’s not realistic to expect it to be brutal the whole time until it eventually clicks one day and it’s brilliant.


It’s not unreasonable to expect to see some improvements quickly - we’ve signed a whole new team and brought in a new management team, the investment has been there and I think it’s fair to suggest that we should still look to beat St Mirren, Motherwell, Dundee etc and think it’s a bad result when we don’t. We can’t just accept that we’re going to battle to stay out the play off spot because David Gray is only a few months in and things take time.


I’m all for giving Gray the time he needs to sort it. I do think that, despite the result on Saturday, we’re generally seeing improvements in how we’re playing.

[HoboHarry]

This thread is full of self-indulgent nonsense from people who never played football at a decent level in their lives. To say David Gray is "out his depth" and to be even contemplating letting him go this soon is utterly incredible and proves just how crap a fan base we have.

Results so far have not been good enough. Some of the performances have been though and for the vast majority of the game versus Motherwell we did more than enough to win. What we failed to do was put the ball in the back of the net with the chances that we had. That is down to the players, not the manager.

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time. We need to back him and the players to get results over the line. If anything, Saturday showed we are capable of creating excellent chances. We need to take those chances and turn the good performances into three points. I trust Gray will get us there.
A rare example of a sensible post on this car crash of a site. Bravo my good man. :top marks

[Bostonhibby]

I think there’s a sensible view that it might not be realistic to expect it to go from brutal to brilliant overnight, but it’s also fair to say that it’s not realistic to expect it to be brutal the whole time until it eventually clicks one day and it’s brilliant.


It’s not unreasonable to expect to see some improvements quickly - we’ve signed a whole new team and brought in a new management team, the investment has been there and I think it’s fair to suggest that we should still look to beat St Mirren, Motherwell, Dundee etc and think it’s a bad result when we don’t. We can’t just accept that we’re going to battle to stay out the play off spot because David Gray is only a few months in and things take time.


I’m all for giving Gray the time he needs to sort it. I do think that, despite the result on Saturday, we’re generally seeing improvements in how we’re playing.[emoji106]not much to disagree with there as far as Gray's position is concerned, I just think he is under severe time pressure in some areas because of what's gone before and how long it's been like that.

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[Hibs Go Bragh]

Not really getting the "boring" or "no patterns of play" stuff here.

We do try to get the ball wide and cross it. That has helped us average 7 corners a game from our last 5 league games and we've looked dangerous from set pieces. We've probably relied too much on set pieces but even in the last 2 games, we should yes, have scored at least 2 more goals from corners.

2 or 3 times at the weekend we won the ball high in the opponents half which led to chances, including our goal.

We definitely miss a number 10 at times but there's nothing wrong with the approach IMO. Maybe those who disagree can point to the incredible patterns of play from the likes of Motherwell or Dundee Utd etc, that would be better to watch?

Hoilett was easily our best player on Saturday but every one of his corners were hopeless! It also annoyed me he had to take them all from both sides of the pitch. There must be one other player that played on Saturday that can take a corner every now and then which would leave Hoilett on the edge of the box where he might get a shot or two away.

[Paulie Walnuts]

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time.

We heard all this last season when it was Nick Montgomery’s turn to have a go as Hibs manager. He was absolutely going to get a summer window, the board aren’t going to abandon the project etc. He didn’t and he was sacked. We also heard the same about LJ when they weren’t going to give him a summer and sack him, we heard the same about Maloney and that you had to give him time as a rookie. They were binned pronto as well.

If SDG doesn’t pick things up then history suggests he’ll not last long as we have owners and a CEO who don’t hang about if it’s not going well. The idea he will get time is based on absolutely nothing and at odds with all the evidence we have available.

[easty]

This thread is full of self-indulgent nonsense from people who never played football at a decent level in their lives. To say David Gray is "out his depth" and to be even contemplating letting him go this soon is utterly incredible and proves just how crap a fan base we have.

Results so far have not been good enough. Some of the performances have been though and for the vast majority of the game versus Motherwell we did more than enough to win. What we failed to do was put the ball in the back of the net with the chances that we had. That is down to the players, not the manager.

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time. We need to back him and the players to get results over the line. If anything, Saturday showed we are capable of creating excellent chances. We need to take those chances and turn the good performances into three points. I trust Gray will get us there.

What level of football do you need to have played at to be allowed to have a valid opinion, in your opinion?

[Callum_62]

This thread is full of self-indulgent nonsense from people who never played football at a decent level in their lives. To say David Gray is "out his depth" and to be even contemplating letting him go this soon is utterly incredible and proves just how crap a fan base we have.

Results so far have not been good enough. Some of the performances have been though and for the vast majority of the game versus Motherwell we did more than enough to win. What we failed to do was put the ball in the back of the net with the chances that we had. That is down to the players, not the manager.

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time. We need to back him and the players to get results over the line. If anything, Saturday showed we are capable of creating excellent chances. We need to take those chances and turn the good performances into three points. I trust Gray will get us there.1 win in 7 (14 percent win percentage) is something he needs to turn around sharp or he will quite rightly be under extreme pressure

We've heard and seen this all before about being unlucky etc

I actually like the way Gray talks - he knows it's now about points and acknowledges it's not been good enough

If he doesn't start to get points on the board over the next 5 games or so he will really be on a sticky wicket

We can't be bottom or 11th after the first round of fixtures

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[Chorley Hibee]

I suspect more agree with the absolutely fine poster than your reactionary over the top stuff. I personally think he is better than fine

I couldn't give a toss what anyone thinks, I'm giving my opinion - that's what the forum is for the last I looked.

As for the "over the top" and "reactionary" comments, I could quite easily aim those at the people desperate to grasp any signing as good/brilliant in order to convince themselves they're witnessing some sort of improvement or plan in action.

I've lost count the amount of players we've tried convincing ourselves were good, before realising they're actually pretty poor or just plain average.

Our results are showing, pretty clearly, that very little, if anything, has improved.

If that's "fine" then I'll quite happily remain in the group with the less popular opinion (in your eyes).

[SickBoy32]

1 win in 7 (14 percent win percentage) is something he needs to turn around sharp or he will quite rightly be under extreme pressure

We've heard and seen this all before about being unlucky etc

I actually like the way Gray talks - he knows it's now about points and acknowledges it's not been good enough

If he doesn't start to get points on the board over the next 5 games or so he will really be on a sticky wicket

We can't be bottom or 11th after the first round of fixtures

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Staggering that there are folk out there advocating yet another managerial change 😂 - wakey wakey

Have a look at the win % under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the derby record under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the significant operating losses under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

The club absolutely does need change, but it’s not at head coach level FFS.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Staggering that there are folk out there advocating yet another managerial change 😂 - wakey wakey

Have a look at the win % under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the derby record under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the significant operating losses under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

The club absolutely does need change, but it’s not at head coach level FFS.

I’ve not seen anyone advocating a change.

I’ve seen plenty folk saying he won’t last long if things don’t improve and we’ve got more than enough evidence to say that with a degree of certainty.

[Callum_62]

Staggering that there are folk out there advocating yet another managerial change [emoji23] - wakey wakey

Have a look at the win % under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the derby record under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the significant operating losses under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

The club absolutely does need change, but it’s not at head coach level FFS.

Who's advocating the change- im simply stating if he doesn't start improving our points pretty sharp then he will be under big pressure

Obviously I hope we win the next 5 and are flying but (as Gray admits) our points total isn't good enough and he must improve it asap

If we are in the bottom 2 after the first round of fixtures they only rationale for keeping him will be because he's a legend of the club

Folk can't say Gray hasn't been backed either - simple fact is he needs to get our points total ticking over or he will be punted





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[Tyler Durden]

Hoilett was easily our best player on Saturday but every one of his corners were hopeless! It also annoyed me he had to take them all from both sides of the pitch. There must be one other player that played on Saturday that can take a corner every now and then which would leave Hoilett on the edge of the box where he might get a shot or two away.

Not great at the weekend but Hoilett still put one on Myko's head in the first half that was cleared off the line.

[blackpoolhibs]

Staggering that there are folk out there advocating yet another managerial change 😂 - wakey wakey

Have a look at the win % under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the derby record under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the significant operating losses under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

The club absolutely does need change, but it’s not at head coach level FFS.

I've not seen any posts wanting SDG sacked, the only folk that need to GTF are the Gordons, hopeless from day 1.

[K-Zazu]

This thread is full of self-indulgent nonsense from people who never played football at a decent level in their lives. To say David Gray is "out his depth" and to be even contemplating letting him go this soon is utterly incredible and proves just how crap a fan base we have.

Results so far have not been good enough. Some of the performances have been though and for the vast majority of the game versus Motherwell we did more than enough to win. What we failed to do was put the ball in the back of the net with the chances that we had. That is down to the players, not the manager.

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time. We need to back him and the players to get results over the line. If anything, Saturday showed we are capable of creating excellent chances. We need to take those chances and turn the good performances into three points. I trust Gray will get us there.

A million miles away from his position being questioned? Not for me, lose against Dundee United and Hearts and he needs to be sacked or we will be playing in the championship next year.

[Bostonhibby]

A million miles away from his position being questioned? Not for me, lose against Dundee United and Hearts and he needs to be sacked or we will be playing in the championship next year.There's a chance with the same board / "leadership" appointing SDG's replacement the replacement would actually be the manager that will take us down to the championship?

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[Trinity Hibee]

There's a chance with the same board / "leadership" appointing SDG's replacement the replacement would actually be the manager that will take us down to the championship?

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That’s a very good point and would be pretty likely. Every single Hibs fan must want Gray to be successful and if he isn’t the blame won’t lie at his door for many

[Chorley Hibee]

That’s a very good point and would be pretty likely. Every single Hibs fan must want Gray to be successful and if he isn’t the blame won’t lie at his door for many

I'll freely admit I don't think he's up to the job, but I don't blame him for this mess.

We all know where the blame lies.

[Donegal Hibby]

He does need some results though it’s to early to start talking about replacing another manager 7 games into the new season when two of them were against the OF … pretty much think we should give him a chance , stick together and STAY ON SIDE ….

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/junior-hoilett-sends-plea-frustrated-30085101

[Cracker]

😂😂😂
Staggering that there are folk out there advocating yet another managerial change 😂 - wakey wakey

Have a look at the win % under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the derby record under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

Have a look at the significant operating losses under the Gordon’s / Kensell.

The club absolutely does need change, but it’s not at head coach level FFS.

😂😂 Do you think that if change is made at the top that David Gray would remain as headcoach ? I wouldn’t. be surprised if the current results run continues till it becomes critical , the BK s are asked to take over the running of the football side the club, Saves face for the current owners ie they don’t do any sackings and if deemed necessary the BK carry it out . Its a valid possibility !

[Jdawg]

He was never in his depth. A chicken **** choice by the board to give them time. Gone by December. Poor guy has been hung out to dry. Rinse and repeat.

[Carheenlea]

He was never in his depth. A chicken **** choice by the board to give them time. Gone by December. Poor guy has been hung out to dry. Rinse and repeat.

To give them time for what?

[K-Zazu]

To give them time for what?

Summer 2025. We are literally on our erse crawling towards next summer when all these wage thiefs will be out the door.

[LaMotta]

Surprised to see a fair bit of negativity towards Triantis.

Absolutely agree that he was very stupid on Saturday, so deserves all he gets in criticism for that performance.

However, in his previous games I think he has been way better than fine - I think he has been pretty good. Some signs of real quality there IMO. He's only just turned 21 and I think (with some conviction) that he will go on to play at a higher level than Hibs regularly.

[LaMotta]

Things haven't been good enough so far, no doubt, but in the managers defence I'm not sure I can think of a run of more stupid individual mistakes from players that have cost us goals and ultimately points. I'm not quite sure that there has been enough focus on that.


St Mirren away - howler short back pass from Marv
Celtic cup away - howler from Bursic gifting them a goal
Dundee at home - both goals, Obita sclaffed clearance for number 1, O'Hora last minute brainfart losing Murray for number 2
Kilmarnock away - Obita brainfart giving away a needless penalty in the last minute to cost us the win
Rangers away - Miller falling over again, Myko's abysmal penalty
Motherwell - Campbell's 3 errors in 30 seconds ( miscontrol, concedes yellow, loses scorer at freekick), Triantis daft second yellow, Kwon losing man for winner.

Of course every goal can be looked at in terms of players doing better but I don't remember such a run of really bad errors in a short period of time. Was interesting to hear Lewis say on the Si Ferry podcast that without fail Mixu as manager would look for an individual player to blame for a goal, even if there wasn't one. He'd have had an easy time of finding players just now.

I'm not sure how much more Gray could have done to cut those types of errors out. Have seen the Triantis should have been subbed argument which I get, but as others have pointed out you cant sub every player after a yellow. Triantis just has to be clever enough to walk the 2nd yellow tightrope, unfortunately he jumped on the tightrope with rollerskates on.

[Chorley Hibee]

Things haven't been good enough so far, no doubt, but in the managers defence I'm not sure I can think of a run of more stupid individual mistakes from players that have cost us goals and ultimately points. I'm not quite sure that there has been enough focus on that.


St Mirren away - howler short back pass from Marv
Celtic cup away - howler from Bursic gifting them a goal
Dundee at home - both goals, Obita sclaffed clearance for number 1, O'Hora last minute brainfart losing Murray for number 2
Kilmarnock away - Obita brainfart giving away a needless penalty in the last minute to cost us the win
Rangers away - Miller falling over again, Myko's abysmal penalty
Motherwell - Campbell's 3 errors in 30 seconds ( miscontrol, concedes yellow, loses scorer at freekick), Triantis daft second yellow, Kwon losing man for winner.

Of course every goal can be looked at in terms of players doing better but I don't remember such a run of really bad errors in a short period of time. Was interesting to hear Lewis say on the Si Ferry podcast that without fail Mixu as manager would look for an individual player to blame for a goal, even if there wasn't one. He'd have had an easy time of finding players just now.

I'm not sure how much more Gray could have done to cut those types of errors out. Have seen the Triantis should have been subbed argument which I get, but as others have pointed out you cant sub every player after a yellow. Triantis just has to be clever enough to walk the 2nd yellow tightrope, unfortunately he jumped on the tightrope with rollerskates on.

In essence you're correct, but this isn't a unique set of circumstances, lists similar to the one you've put together have populated this board for more years than I now care to remember.

When do we finally buy players mentally strong enough to play for Hibs?

When do we finally buy players capable of doing the basics?

When do we put together an actual team instead of a collection of random individuals?

When does the coaching staff step up and make sure these errors are eliminated/less frequent?

They're all responsible in my eyes.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

David Gray is sadly lacking in at managerial level as soon as I heard that Cadden was utilised as wing back I knew we would struggle today, Yohan should have been given right wing position poor selection from Gray. One leauge win this season points to a relegation fight and I don’t feel Gray has enough experience to turn our fortunes around. Our defence is a shambles and Triantis i’s ais a bomb scare crazy red card today.

would you have said that at the start of his tenure?
surely it’s yes if you base it on experience and badges.

so what did we expect?
To a point we need to stand by our man - who is our man.

[LaMotta]

In essence you're correct, but this isn't a unique set of circumstances, lists similar to the one you've put together have populated this board for more years than I now care to remember.

When do we finally buy players mentally strong enough to play for Hibs?

When do we finally buy players capable of doing the basics?

When do we put together an actual team instead of a collection of random individuals?

When does the coaching staff step up and make sure these errors are eliminated/less frequent?

They're all responsible in my eyes.


Yeah fair points, but I do think this run of really bad errors by individuals has cost us massively . I just don't remember similar lists with occurrences over such a short space of time. All ifs and buts, but things could have been so different if we hadn't thrown away deserved wins against Dundee and then Killie - the confidence from getting hard fought wins compared to the demoralisng blows of late equalisers could potentially have had a massive effect on the team mentally.

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah fair points, but I do think this run of really bad errors by individuals has cost us massively . I just don't remember similar lists with occurrences over such a short space of time. All ifs and buts, but things could have been so different if we hadn't thrown away deserved wins against Dundee and then Killie - the confidence from getting hard fought wins compared to the demoralisng blows of late equalisers could potentially have had a massive effect on the team mentally.

I don’t think the team is set up badly in terms of shape or structure or whatever you want to call it. And I agree there have been individual errors that have cost us points. Obita conceding a ridiculous penalty, Myko hitting a ridiculous penalty and Triantis getting a ridiculous sending off being the stand out things that Gray can’t legislate for.

There are a couple of things that Gray has to do differently IMO. Firstly, he needs to stop giving players that he should already know aren’t very good as many minutes. Secondly, he needs to be a bit braver and get us playing on the front foot more. Since the window closed he’s shown he can set up a team, we’ve not been getting outplayed at all. But Saturday was the perfect example where a tweak here or there and going for it rather than waiting until it was too late, could have made a big difference IMO.

[LaMotta]

I don’t think the team is set up badly in terms of shape or structure or whatever you want to call it. And I agree there have been individual errors that have cost us points. Obita conceding a ridiculous penalty, Myko hitting a ridiculous penalty and Triantis getting a ridiculous sending off being the stand out things that Gray can’t legislate for.

There are a couple of things that Gray has to do differently IMO. Firstly, he needs to stop giving players that he should already know aren’t very good as many minutes. Secondly, he needs to be a bit braver and get us playing on the front foot more. Since the window closed he’s shown he can set up a team, we’ve not been getting outplayed at all. But Saturday was the perfect example where a tweak here or there and going for it rather than waiting until it was too late, could have made a big difference IMO.

Completely agree with this.

I think Boyle obviously comes in for Cadden at RM. Campbell has to drop out and he has to get Youan in the team and firing. Hoilett has played as a central attacking midfielder/second striker before and from what I've seen of him he looks like he could quite comfortably play there. I'd play him where Campbell has been playing therefore and then Youan on the left wing.

[The Modfather]

Things haven't been good enough so far, no doubt, but in the managers defence I'm not sure I can think of a run of more stupid individual mistakes from players that have cost us goals and ultimately points. I'm not quite sure that there has been enough focus on that.


St Mirren away - howler short back pass from Marv
Celtic cup away - howler from Bursic gifting them a goal
Dundee at home - both goals, Obita sclaffed clearance for number 1, O'Hora last minute brainfart losing Murray for number 2
Kilmarnock away - Obita brainfart giving away a needless penalty in the last minute to cost us the win
Rangers away - Miller falling over again, Myko's abysmal penalty
Motherwell - Campbell's 3 errors in 30 seconds ( miscontrol, concedes yellow, loses scorer at freekick), Triantis daft second yellow, Kwon losing man for winner.

Of course every goal can be looked at in terms of players doing better but I don't remember such a run of really bad errors in a short period of time. Was interesting to hear Lewis say on the Si Ferry podcast that without fail Mixu as manager would look for an individual player to blame for a goal, even if there wasn't one. He'd have had an easy time of finding players just now.

I'm not sure how much more Gray could have done to cut those types of errors out. Have seen the Triantis should have been subbed argument which I get, but as others have pointed out you cant sub every player after a yellow. Triantis just has to be clever enough to walk the 2nd yellow tightrope, unfortunately he jumped on the tightrope with rollerskates on.

Monty had as big, if not bigger, a list of individual errors costing us points last season, that didn’t seem to offer him any leeway or mitigation though.

[LaMotta]

Monty had as big, if not bigger, a list of individual errors costing us points last season, that didn’t seem to offer him any leeway or mitigation though.

I don't think that's right - I will invite you to come up with a bigger list of howlers over a similar timeframe.

Whilst of course there were some individual errors, for me Monty was to blame himself for a number of late capitulations with some crazy subs and lack of making the right subs a number of times. Monty did suffer from shocking refereeing decisions to be fair, Gray has yet to encounter that.

[GreenCastle]

The annoying thing is that Gray talked about making us harder to beat / score against and right now we are either gifting goals / chances to teams or being easily cut open.

Rangers away was the only game where I’ve thought we have looked really solid at the back and didn’t give up too much.

The team is being set up as “hard to beat” but it’s also missing the pace of Boyle and Youan.

Junior could play 10 and get the speed to run behind Myko outwide.

If we can’t defend we may as well score more - as right now we are conceding(6th worst in league ) but also not scoring many (least scored alongside Hearts in league with 6 goals).

[Ozyhibby]

Every time Grau names McKirdy in a Hibs squad, it will get harder and harder to defend him.
That he let Vente leave and he uses McKirdy every week shows a real lack of judgement.


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[Coco Bryce]

Every time Grau names McKirdy in a Hibs squad, it will get harder and harder to defend him.
That he let Vente leave and he uses McKirdy every week shows a real lack of judgement.


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Vente wanted to leave.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I'm not having a go at SDG at all, love the man and wish him nothing but the best as our manager... but my god Hibs have been a tough watch for most of the last six years since Lennon's team collapsed in the autumn of 2018.

Thick and thin, and all that, but it really is draining watching a team that rarely has a good game.

We surely must be due an exciting Hibs team soon

[K-Zazu]

Every time Grau names McKirdy in a Hibs squad, it will get harder and harder to defend him.
That he let Vente leave and he uses McKirdy every week shows a real lack of judgement.


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You do know that Mckirdy is only in the match day squads because Bowie got injured?

[Donegal Hibby]

Every time Grau names McKirdy in a Hibs squad, it will get harder and harder to defend him.
That he let Vente leave and he uses McKirdy every week shows a real lack of judgement.


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I think Vente wanted away for some game time and we probably thought it was best for both parties with the way it was going anyhow, Bowie getting injured was unlucky which has left us with Gayle and Mckirdy as backup , is there a better alternative ?

[WestCoastHibby]

A rare example of a sensible post on this car crash of a site. Bravo my good man. :top marks

I echo that too

[Tambo]

We just lack quality in certain areas when some players are available, no doubt Gray knows he will be under pressure if our points tally don't improve.

[Brizo]

This thread is full of self-indulgent nonsense from people who never played football at a decent level in their lives. To say David Gray is "out his depth" and to be even contemplating letting him go this soon is utterly incredible and proves just how crap a fan base we have.

Results so far have not been good enough. Some of the performances have been though and for the vast majority of the game versus Motherwell we did more than enough to win. What we failed to do was put the ball in the back of the net with the chances that we had. That is down to the players, not the manager.

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time. We need to back him and the players to get results over the line. If anything, Saturday showed we are capable of creating excellent chances. We need to take those chances and turn the good performances into three points. I trust Gray will get us there.

I only played football at Maybury league level so you'll probably take my opinion as "self-indulgent nonsense" although as I agree with most of your points maybe you won't :greengrin

Re bold bit above we have a fanbase like every other fan base where criticism that once only existed for the 90 minutes of the game and then the pub is now 24/7 on social media, radio phone-ins , podcasts, and forums like this. It's a culture that means Managers or players of all clubs can go from hero to zero in the space of a game and that negativity just spreads more negativity.

He is undoubtedly making mistakes but I do see enough to think he can learn from them and turn it around. I have more faith in him than I had in the three managers before him and feel that he deserves the full season to learn from his mistakes, reduce the number of players mistakes that continually cost us points, and implement what he wants to achieve. There's no guarantee he'll accomplish that but he deserves to be judged on a full season, not a couple of months.

[Smartie]

I only played football at Maybury league level so you'll probably take my opinion as "self-indulgent nonsense" although as I agree with most of your points maybe you won't :greengrin

Re bold bit above we have a fanbase like every other fan base where criticism that once only existed for the 90 minutes of the game and then the pub is now 24/7 on social media, radio phone-ins , podcasts, and forums like this. It's a culture that means Managers or players of all clubs can go from hero to zero in the space of a game and that negativity just spreads more negativity.

He is undoubtedly making mistakes but I do see enough to think he can learn from them and turn it around. I have more faith in him than I had in the three managers before him and feel that he deserves the full season to learn from his mistakes, reduce the number of players mistakes that continually cost us points, and implement what he wants to achieve. There's no guarantee he'll accomplish that but he deserves to be judged on a full season, not a couple of months.

Agree with all of this.

I'm not wanting to defend the poor results and performances and I get the point about the improvements seen at Aberdeen, but the relentless criticism and desire for change really holds us back imo.

Forgetting about the current football - which still, imo, has as much change of getting much better as it has of staying the same or worsening - I really want us to have a spell from December through to the start of the following season and then through that summer transfer window where we know for absolute sure that the sporting director and head coach are going to be in position to manage the recruitment process of potential out of contract players (ins and outs) to get the base of a squad starting in July right and then add to it appropriately all along.

For years we've always had temporary "directors of football", amateurish recruitment approaches and coaches who have either just been sacked, just been appointed or under pressure, about to be sacked. No wonder the squad is a hot potch of quick fixes, no wonder our defence - that has just been thrown together - makes mistakes, no wonder our midfield is hot and cold etc etc .

The cure for the problems that arise from being permanently in transition is unlikely, imo, to be further transition. As long as the people in position are showing some signs of knowing what they are doing (which imo they are, it's hardly Butcher or Duffy levels of slump - yet) then we should continue to do all we can to support them, even in the face of the odd player selection or substitution with which we may disagree.

[lucky]

The results have been poor as have most of the performances. Bowie, Newell and Boyle all out injured haven't helped. But starting Campbell and bringing on McKirdy are questionable decisions but taking Hoillet off was baffling. I do think he's out his depth. I still can't believe Hibs of the biggest clubs in Scotland appointed another rookie manager when Robinson and McInnes were a much better decent shout.

Scott Brown and Steven Whittaker have more experience playing at a higher level and had experience at Fleetwood but are still working their way at Ayr. So why did Gray jump into a top 5 job? The set-up at Hibs is questionable, everything seems to go through Mackay and Gray appears a bit of a puppet. He will always be a Hibs legend but he will be gone by Christmas as we struggle in the bottom half of the league.

[Tambo]

SDG saying he might have to tinker the team and maybe go with 2 up top, would then leave our midfield of either Newell/Kwon/Triantis (plus others who are down the pecking order though) for the two CM spots.

Also saying Rudi or Campbell could play as a second striker if needed.

[easty]

SDG saying he might have to tinker the team and maybe go with 2 up top, would then leave our midfield of either Newell/Kwon/Triantis (plus others who are down the pecking order though) for the two CM spots.

Also saying Rudi or Campbell could play as a second striker if needed.

Triantis is suspended, so it'll be Newell and Kwon.

However, Rudi or Campbell "as a second striker" is effectively going to be the same as we have now.

[Tambo]

Triantis is suspended, so it'll be Newell and Kwon.

Yeah, the article says just going forward in the future so we will see if he makes any adjustments.

[MWHIBBIES]

SDG saying he might have to tinker the team and maybe go with 2 up top, would then leave our midfield of either Newell/Kwon/Triantis (plus others who are down the pecking order though) for the two CM spots.

Also saying Rudi or Campbell could play as a second striker if needed.

Please anything but Campbell in a role requiring brains and technical ability.

[flash]

Please anything but Campbell in a role requiring brains and technical ability.

Just said on another thread wouldn't mind Levitt getting a chance as the advanced midfielder.

[Tambo]

You would expect it would be Myko and Gayle if we was to go with two out and out strikers.


David Gray admits Hibs fans could see their team play with two centre forwards at some point this season.

It has been a frustrating start to the campaign and life as permanent manager for the Hibees legend with some promising signs ultimately giving way to poor results on the whole.

Gray said: “I’m sure at times we will do that, 100 per cent. I don’t see anyone that can’t play with anyone; even Harry McKirdy coming on as well, Josh Campbell, Rudi Molotnikov, they can all play. The flexibility in that front line goes back to the strength and depth of the squad.

“I’ve never been fixed on a formation or having only one way of playing. We’ve spoken about that often.

The Hibees boss admits his current two main centre forward options are very different players. Kuharevich is a hulking target man with Gayle more of a predatory penalty box striker, and he reckons that means they could complement each other well.

[Coco Bryce]

SDG saying he might have to tinker the team and maybe go with 2 up top, would then leave our midfield of either Newell/Kwon/Triantis (plus others who are down the pecking order though) for the two CM spots.

Also saying Rudi or Campbell could play as a second striker if needed.

Gray is starting top piss me off with his persistence of Campbell.

[Smartie]

I know I'm going to be in a minority of one on this one... but I'd like to see McKirdy start a game up front with Myko.

McKirdy might be lightweight but he looks quick and sharp to me. He's not had many starts, and when he's had them they've tended to be no win situations against the OF away. I just think that his mobility and work rate might complement Myko. The requirement for a guaranteed work rate rules out Youan for me (but I'd like him to sharpen up and be a credible option up front) and Gayle would be an option off the bench.

One of the problems with playing 2 up front is that we seriously lack depth in those positions and the players we currently have fit don't even really look fit to play 90 minutes.

[bingo70]

Gray is starting top piss me off with his persistence of Campbell.

Same. We simply won’t be a good team or win many games of football with him playing in the number 10 position.

I actually feel sorry for Campbell, it’s not his fault, he’s trying his best, he’s just not good enough.

[Ozyhibby]

I know I'm going to be in a minority of one on this one... but I'd like to see McKirdy start a game up front with Myko.

McKirdy might be lightweight but he looks quick and sharp to me. He's not had many starts, and when he's had them they've tended to be no win situations against the OF away. I just think that his mobility and work rate might complement Myko. The requirement for a guaranteed work rate rules out Youan for me (but I'd like him to sharpen up and be a credible option up front) and Gayle would be an option off the bench.

One of the problems with playing 2 up front is that we seriously lack depth in those positions and the players we currently have fit don't even really look fit to play 90 minutes.

McKirdy looks sharp? Has he even got a goal or an assist for us yet?[emoji2369]


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[Paulie Walnuts]

McKirdy looks sharp? Has he even got a goal or an assist for us yet?[emoji2369]


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No goals or assists in 30 appearances.

[easty]

No goals or assists in 30 appearances.

While it seems unlikely he'll come good, look at Theo Bair.

Signed for St Johnstone, played 38 games and got 1 goal. Signs for Motherwell and scores 2 in his first 20 games, then picks up and goes on a run and gets a move to France.

So it's maybe not impossible :greengrin

[Bobby's Cinema]

I know I'm going to be in a minority of one on this one... but I'd like to see McKirdy start a game up front with Myko.

McKirdy might be lightweight but he looks quick and sharp to me. He's not had many starts, and when he's had them they've tended to be no win situations against the OF away. I just think that his mobility and work rate might complement Myko. The requirement for a guaranteed work rate rules out Youan for me (but I'd like him to sharpen up and be a credible option up front) and Gayle would be an option off the bench.

One of the problems with playing 2 up front is that we seriously lack depth in those positions and the players we currently have fit don't even really look fit to play 90 minutes.
I couldn't question McKirdy's workrate - and I am desperate as anyone else for some of the outside bets that are all but written off to come good. But he offers us absolutely nothing on the ball.

I would sooner bring on one of our own young guys to give them a go with the objective being to seemingly simply run about.

Any additional support at all for our striker is welcomed by me though.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just said on another thread wouldn't mind Levitt getting a chance as the advanced midfielder.

Don't think he has the pace/dribbling ability for it. Couldn't be worse than Campbell though.

[B.H.F.C]

SDG saying he might have to tinker the team and maybe go with 2 up top, would then leave our midfield of either Newell/Kwon/Triantis (plus others who are down the pecking order though) for the two CM spots.

Also saying Rudi or Campbell could play as a second striker if needed.

Campbell more or less did play as a second striker at the weekend with how high he was most of the time. I just thought it was screaming out to stick Gayle on for him, some proper support up to Myko and really go for it in the second half.

Two strikers won’t work all the time but there is definitely a time and place for it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

This thread is full of self-indulgent nonsense from people who never played football at a decent level in their lives. To say David Gray is "out his depth" and to be even contemplating letting him go this soon is utterly incredible and proves just how crap a fan base we have.

Results so far have not been good enough. Some of the performances have been though and for the vast majority of the game versus Motherwell we did more than enough to win. What we failed to do was put the ball in the back of the net with the chances that we had. That is down to the players, not the manager.

While Gray deserves to be scrutinized and held to account for decisions, we are a million miles away from his position being questioned. He needs time. He will get that time. We need to back him and the players to get results over the line. If anything, Saturday showed we are capable of creating excellent chances. We need to take those chances and turn the good performances into three points. I trust Gray will get us there.

I more or less agree with most of your post ..... apart from this bit.

Failing fitba clubs all over the world are awash with folk who played at a high level, and don't even get me started on the TV where folk who played at a 'high level' can spout the most unutterable pish imaginable. In short, what level you played at is absolutely no guarantee that you can succeed at A) Running a club ... B) Managing a club ... C) Talking sense about the game.

Following Hibs every season costs me at the very least £1,500 .... the amount of time, money and used up leave from my work I've gone through following this club for 50 years as a match going fan I don't even wan't to think about. There are folk on here, and in our wider support, who's outlay probably dwarves mine.

I can disagree with folk on here, sometimes vociferously, but never, not ever, would I refer to a fellow fan's opinion as self indulgence .... I can't think of anything more arrogantly dismissive.

[Smartie]

McKirdy looks sharp? Has he even got a goal or an assist for us yet?[emoji2369]


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The goals he's had in friendlies this season have shown me that he looks to have at least an ability to score goals - but I take your point.

I don't think he's been helped by his entire Hibs career having existed of being thrown on late in games with the team playing absolutely pish, staring at a bad result and with the fans on their backs.

Part of the reason for me wanting to see him get a crack is so that if when paired with a decent partner up front, from the start of a game we expect to have a chance of winning, in a team set out to attack and he STILL cannot produce - then there cannot be any argument that he's humpty and needs to be moved on. I personally don't think he's had much of a fair crack of the whip.

And I think our alternatives are worse than he is.

[KazaHibs]

Vente wanted to leave.

Vente left due to the wage bill. It's far too high and he is on a big salary.

[easty]

Vente left due to the wage bill. It's far too high and he is on a big salary.

How much is he on a week?

[A Hi-Bee]

How much is he on a week?

How much are you on a week?
:greengrin

[easty]

How much are you on a week?
:greengrin

Loads

[A Hi-Bee]

Loads

:top marks

[Ozyhibby]

Confirmed. Should be gone before the derby. Clown.


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[percy veer]

Should be away utter guff

[Coco Bryce]

Worse than Sauzee.

Get him out.

[The Spaceman]

Completely out of his depth. I will forever love the man and he will always be a legend of this football club. But Aberdeen have shown us how it’s done. We just need to limp to the summer, clear the whole lot out and copy them best we can.

[NC1875]

👋🏽

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Another one who talks all day but produces the same nonsense as every other manager before him.

Padlock the gates and shut this ****show down.

[Blaster]

Should never have been given the job in the first place

[Scottie]

Confirmed. Should be gone before the derby. Clown.


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The guys not a clown he’s just seriously out of his depth. Should never have been given the opportunity to get the job in the first place.

[makaveli1875]

It's not looking good for him

[Ozyhibby]

Completely out of his depth. I will forever love the man and he will always be a legend of this football club. But Aberdeen have shown us how it’s done. We just need to limp to the summer, clear the whole lot out and copy them best we can.

**** limping to another summer. Change can be done quickly.
Mackay needs emptied as well.


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[Ozyhibby]

The guys not a clown he’s just seriously out of his depth. Should never have been given the opportunity to get the job in the first place.

He is very much a clown for constantly going back to Josh Campbell.[emoji35]


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[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Get him out now and get on with it FFS 😡 had enough of this

[hibstag]

It's taken one win for the hearts team we have been laughing at to move above us in the league. one.

[Since452]

Has the derby to save his job. Rediculous appointment. Again.

[Paul1642]

At 2-1 approaching injury time, was anyone here even surprised to lose?

The sad answer for me is that I wasn’t.

[Coco Bryce]

The guys not a clown he’s just seriously out of his depth. Should never have been given the opportunity to get the job in the first place.

He thinks Josh Campbell is a footballer.

🙄

[chrisski33]

Has the derby to save his job. Rediculous appointment. Again.

Fk that! Needs to go now

[Paulie Walnuts]

Another one who talks all day but produces the same nonsense as every other manager before him.

Padlock the gates and shut this ****show down.

It should surprise nobody. Plenty fans knew how this was going to go when he was rumoured to want the job. It was destined to be a disaster. A manager with no experience, who’s worked under/played his own part in numerous failed management teams, doesn’t have the qualifications to even manage us in the tournaments we claim we want to be in.. this shouldn’t be a shock to anyone. It’s not something thats being said in hindsight, it was a shambolic decision and plenty people called it out at the time.

This looks every bit like the managers before him because that’s all he knows and all he’s worked with.

[NC1875]

At 2-1 approaching injury time, was anyone here even surprised to lose?

The sad answer for me is that I wasn’t.

Brother in law had Dundee Utd and I told him not to cash out as I knew it.

So predictable

[Golden Bear]

In the past I've often blamed the players for unprofessional performances which lead to Managers getting sacked.

This time - not so much, Gray is not learning from the many mistakes he's been making.

So I'm genuinely sorry, but it's time for him to go.

[NC1875]

It should surprise nobody. Plenty fans knew how this was going to go when he was rumoured to want the job. It was destined to be a disaster. A manager with no experience, who’s worked under/played his own part in numerous failed management teams, doesn’t have the qualifications to even manage us in the tournaments we claim we want to be in.. this shouldn’t be a shock to anyone. It’s not something thats being said in hindsight, it was a shambolic decision and plenty people called it out at the time.

This looks every bit like the managers before him because that’s all he knows and all he’s worked with.

👏🏼 and the deluded on here were creaming themselves

[Gatecrasher]

The team/club has lost it's identity by chasing a football trend that we could never accommodate in the first place. Yes Gray is out of his depth, but this is the result of everything that has gone wrong at this club since the takeover by the Gordons. We are now bottom of the league, this downward trend that started YEARS ago. Despite various warnings from just about everyone, those in charge have continued to chase this footballing trend which is costing us everything. The reason we get beat of so called lesser clubs in Scotland is because they know how to get results, they have kept their identies and know what it takes.

We are rudderless and changing manager won't change a thing unless those in charge understand that change is needed and even if they did it will to take years to undo the damage done.

[K-Zazu]

Get him out tonight for his own sake.

[Jim44]

But, but he’s a legend. I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it……….. if that goal hadn’t gone in in the cup final, Gray would not be a legend and wouldn’t have sniffed the job. Really piss poor appointment and I think the plan/scenario where Mackay was destined to take over will almost certainly happen after the derby game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

But, but he’s a legend. I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it……….. if that goal hadn’t gone in in the cup final, Gray would not be a legend and wouldn’t have sniffed the job. Really piss poor appointment and I think the plan/scenario where Mackay was destined to take over will almost certainly happen after the derby game.

I’ve said it before, but there’s not a chance in hell he’s given the Hibs job if he didn’t score the winner in the cup final. Not a ****ing chance.

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. There is only one plausible explanation for him being appointed, and it’s based on his playing career.

[GreenCastle]

He has the Derby to save his job.

I’m actually also raging at the staff too.

Samson talking during the minutes applause and his constant crap instructions from the side lines.

We need one voice not several guys like Craig / Samson actually like Sunday like managers getting a word in.

Gray is struggling here - I want him to turn it around but so far it’s been a disaster and that started with Kelty.

[Hibees1973]

Sadly most of us saw this coming.

Why on earth did they appoint him. He's not even fully qualified. Can't blame him for not taking it as he will be handsomely rewarded.

Was appointed purely on sentiment.

Nothing else.

Still a legend, but I hope he just quits cos he has no one of note around him to help.

[MelbourneHibees]

Completely out of his depth. I will forever love the man and he will always be a legend of this football club. But Aberdeen have shown us how it’s done. We just need to limp to the summer, clear the whole lot out and copy them best we can.

This post could literally have been copy and pasted from almost any of the last 7 seasons or so.

[KWJ]

MacKay has built him a team that isn't good enough. How can he manage a team with this defence and goalies to win.

[skyehibee]

The style of play has been awful. We look like we have no idea what the plan is each game .

[H18 SFR]

I’ve said it before, but there’s not a chance in hell he’s given the Hibs job if he didn’t score the winner in the cup final. Not a ****ing chance.

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. There is only one plausible explanation for him being appointed, and it’s based on his playing career.

I agree with this. Time to get the right guy for the job.

[GreenCastle]

Not all on Gray but 1 away win in 2024 in the league is awful.

[EdinMike]

It breaks my heart because this has Sauzee vibes written all over it…

[Real Emerald]

The team/club has lost it's identity by chasing a football trend that we could never accommodate in the first place. Yes Gray is out of his depth, but this is the result of everything that has gone wrong at this club since the takeover by the Gordons. We are now bottom of the league, this downward trend that started YEARS ago. Despite various warnings from just about everyone, those in charge have continued to chase this footballing trend which is costing us everything. The reason we get beat of so called lesser clubs in Scotland is because they know how to get results, they have kept their identies and know what it takes.

We are rudderless and changing manager won't change a thing unless those in charge understand that change is needed and even if they did it will to take years to undo the damage done.

Changing managers might help if the right manager is chosen. Its experiment after experiment with the culmination of putting a complete rookie with no previous managerial employment in charge of a club who were failing. What could possibly go wrong? The whole lot need to go now or we are going down.

[easty]

Who’d have thought replacing a failed manager who didn’t have anywhere near enough experience to justify getting the Hibs job with another manager who had nae experience wouldn’t work?

Same goes for the Luke McCowan debacle. We absolutely needed a creative midfielder. But nah, he was the only one in the world we could’ve had. Him or naebody.

We’re well run like.

[Pretty Boy]

Just about everyone in a position of influence at the club is out their depth.

Gray being the manager is a symptom of that.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Will keep asking this, has he gone yet?

[SteveHFC]

Will keep asking this, has he gone yet?

He won't go as we have no one apart from MM to take over

[B.H.F.C]

He thinks Josh Campbell is a footballer.

🙄

The only positive about Gray getting the job is that he should have known who you can’t trust. He keeps putting Campbell on the park though.

[GreenCastle]

Would rather Gray than MM.

But at this moment in time both along with everyone else at club is failing.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

He won't go as we have no one apart from MM to take over

Good, I'll take that 👍

[A Hi-Bee]

He is of course out of his depth, Mackay not any better remind me if he was any good really.

[Unseen work]

That was brutal today.

The players have no idea what they’re doing.

Pass it about the back, Ekpiteta (our worst player on the ball) runs forward into space and then passes it to Miller who by then has players right on top of him.

No idea how to get the ball into forward areas.

2 weeks in a row a centre mid has been on a booking and it’s just a hope they don’t get booked again.

[truehibernian]

Just about everyone in a position of influence at the club is out their depth.

Gray being the manager is a symptom of that.

Sack Gray, appoint Lennon - it’s really that simple for me. Gray is an awful manager who is too loyal to poor players and way too defensive in nature. The selection today was poor and intent on ‘not losing’ rather than ‘going to win’ and the subs were baffling. This squad and management are like an old pals network. Newell appointment of captain was a joke, and his inability to see Josh Campbell as quite simply a lower league player is alarming even before today.

Lennon would absolutely 💯 % sort this squad out.

[Crab apple]

Changing a winning team for the Kelty game was the first red flag. Since then his in game management also mostly seems to see us end up with a worse final result. With no team looking to be as bad as Livi last year we are definitely in the mix for relegation if things don't change.

[Callum_62]

Sack Gray, appoint Lennon - it’s really that simple for me. Gray is an awful manager who is too loyal to poor players and way too defensive in nature. The selection today was poor and intent on ‘not losing’ rather than ‘going to win’ and the subs were baffling. This squad and management are like an old pals network. Newell appointment of captain was a joke, and his inability to see Josh Campbell as quite simply a lower league player is alarming even before today.

Lennon would absolutely [emoji817] % sort this squad out.Would he?

He left us in a mess last time, failed at Celtic and since then done absolutely nothing


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[Crab apple]

Sack Gray, appoint Lennon - it’s really that simple for me. Gray is an awful manager who is too loyal to poor players and way too defensive in nature. The selection today was poor and intent on ‘not losing’ rather than ‘going to win’ and the subs were baffling. This squad and management are like an old pals network. Newell appointment of captain was a joke, and his inability to see Josh Campbell as quite simply a lower league player is alarming even before today.

Lennon would absolutely 💯 % sort this squad out.

I'm not sure I want Lennon but I totally agree with the rest of your post.

[Iain G]

Would he?

He left us in a mess last time, failed at Celtic and since then done absolutely nothing


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Of course he wouldn't!! 🤣

[Islington Hibs]

This is very sad to be honest. Gray is a club legend and a decent man. He does not deserve this. This may not be the mood tonight on this board but I would stick with him for at least a further 6-8 games. We simply cannot constantly fire after a few poor results and some of the issues have been player stupidity not managerial. Today is an example and it’s cultural.

The problems lie much deeper than him. The club has an inferiority complex from top to bottom, panics, regularly fires managers but the basic lack of confidence and in my view poor executive leadership in changing that is an issue.

I am unimpressed with our CEO at a leadership level as opposed to perhaps squeezing more revenue out of the lemon. Ron G was clearly a very sincere and decent man. I have no doubt his son shares his passion but again I do not see leadership. Perhaps that’s too harsh?

Sure Gray is despite my desire he stays probably only one week from the door but he is a symptom of the problem not the cause nor the root of the problem