Gray is out of his depth’

[john rossi]

David Gray is sadly lacking in at managerial level as soon as I heard that Cadden was utilised as wing back I knew we would struggle today, Yohan should have been given right wing position poor selection from Gray. One leauge win this season points to a relegation fight and I don’t feel Gray has enough experience to turn our fortunes around. Our defence is a shambles and Triantis i’s ais a bomb scare crazy red card today.

[Lago]

David Gray is sadly lacking in at managerial level as soon as I heard that Cadden was utilised as wing back I knew we would struggle today, Yohan should have been given right wing position poor selection from Gray. One leauge win this season points to a relegation fight and I don’t feel Gray has enough experience to turn our fortunes around. Our defence is a shambles and Triantis i’s ais a bomb scare crazy red card today.
Never mind another international break coming up so he be able to work with the squad:greengrin
and us fans will get a break as well:greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

Another meltdown thread:rolleyes:

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Another meltdown thread:rolleyes:

What do you expect? Praise?
Out of his depth as it says on the tin 🤔🙄

[McGruber]

Desperate for Gray to do well and far too early to be coming to any conclusions but it's not been a good start at all.

5 points from 21, 1 win from 7, third bottom and out the cup. Not good enough and pressure will ramp up soon

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

A managerial rookie. I said as soon as he was appointed he'd get the first round of fixtures before I even contemplated judgement. He needs our unwavering support.

[Gatecrasher]

Desperate for Gray to do well and far too early to be coming to any conclusions but it's not been a good start at all.

5 points from 21, 1 win from 7, third bottom and out the cup. Not good enough and pressure will ramp up soon

If it wasn't SDG the fans would be turning on the manager by now. It's just not good enough. He should never have been given the job, similar to Monty, LJ and so on... Time for changes at executive level.

[raeburnhibs]

David Gray is sadly lacking in at managerial level as soon as I heard that Cadden was utilised as wing back I knew we would struggle today, Yohan should have been given right wing position poor selection from Gray. One leauge win this season points to a relegation fight and I don’t feel Gray has enough experience to turn our fortunes around. Our defence is a shambles and Triantis i’s ais a bomb scare crazy red card today.

Triantis needs to stop getting early yellow cards; that is 2 or 3 first half yellows already. However, he looks really good in there

[The Modfather]

Another meltdown thread:rolleyes:

Is the alternative false bravado or simply ignore what’s going on?

[Unseen work]

I’m not implying he should be, but I just can’t see us ever sacking him unless it was late in the season and relegation looked likely

He’ll be given until March sort of time minimum I’d say

Unless he loses something like 5 in a row

He really needs to start picking up wins

[kentao]

David Gray is sadly lacking in at managerial level as soon as I heard that Cadden was utilised as wing back I knew we would struggle today, Yohan should have been given right wing position poor selection from Gray. One leauge win this season points to a relegation fight and I don’t feel Gray has enough experience to turn our fortunes around. Our defence is a shambles and Triantis i’s ais a bomb scare crazy red card today.

Behave, Its not SDG fault Mykola is passing up chance after chance recently. Should have scored against Der Huns and should have had at least a couple today. Cadden should have also scored and kwon was unlucky with his effort. We dominated the game today until the 60th minute where we should have been out of sight before they scored.

Triantis has been our best player but i have no idea what he was playing at today with that challenge. Youan is a great player but he also doesn't work hard enough for the team when he gets his chance. Cadden wont be in the starting line up when Boyle returns after the break and Joe Newell should give us options in midfield.

The performances and football has been a lot better than previous managers and the results will come. Give the man a chance and get behind him.

[HendoDelivered]

If Gray ends up losing his job, there should be a full scale protest for the hierarchy/ceo to be joining him.

[7Hero]

The whole club is out of its depth...

[Donegal Hibby]

What do you expect? Praise?
Out of his depth as it says on the tin 🤔🙄

7 games into the new season to be making an assessment like that is a bit early IMO .

[Unseen work]

Behave, Its not SDG fault Mykola is passing up chance after chance recently. Should have scored against Der Huns and should have had at least a couple today. Cadden should have also scored and kwon was unlucky with his effort. We dominated the game today until the 60th minute where we should have been out of sight before they scored.

Triantis has been our best player but i have no idea what he was playing at today with that challenge. Youan is a great player but he also doesn't work hard enough for the team when he gets his chance. Cadden wont be in the starting line up when Boyle returns after the break and Joe Newell should give us options in midfield.

The performances and football has been a lot better than previous managers and the results will come. Give the man a chance and get behind him.

Incredibly harsh on Myk imo

First header he done well to get on the end of and the keeper made a save he knew nothing about, ball fell to him and defenders were chucking themselves at the ball

Corner comes in, he again does brilliant to win the ball and it’s cleared off the line

For the little service he gets I think he’s been unlucky

[lugz]

If Gray ends up losing his job, there should be a full scale protest for the hierarchy/ceo to be joining him.

This 100% the fans going after the board shouldn't be out of the question at this point.

[Unseen work]

This 100% the fans going after the board shouldn't be out of the question at this point.

I think if SDG gets sacked there will be protests for Kensell and the Gordons to go

[Donegal Hibby]

Is the alternative false bravado or simply ignore what’s going on?

What’s the alternative , Sack him and give somebody else another 7 games or give him a chance and get behind him ? .

[lugz]

I think if SDG gets sacked there will be protests for Kensell and the Gordons to go

Rightly so, horrible thing to say but the club has become almost unlikable at this point. Something I never thought I'd think.

[Alfred E Newman]

He has 2 games left I think. A defeat to Hearts will probably see us foot of the league and I would be surprised if he survived that.

[Northernhibee]

You’d think after churning through so many managers that people would begin to realise that it’s not the manager who is out of their depth and needs changing.

[JohnM1875]

I love the man, that will never change. But he's not quite there yet, is he? He'll get time, the whole season I'd imagine, and I hope nothing more that he turns it around.

Still nowhere near it when it comes to impacting a game. Subs are mental and too late.

Hope he turns it around.

[Stokesy's on fire]

You’d think after churning through so many managers that people would begin to realise that it’s not the manager who is out of their depth and needs changing.

Agreed...Ben and the Gordon's must be laughing that the fans are sticking this on David Grays door.

[B.H.F.C]

I think if SDG gets sacked there will be protests for Kensell and the Gordons to go

The folk running the club are killing the club.

Gray can’t escape criticism because of who he is, I thought he had an absolute shocker today. The lineup, the subs, the lack of reaction to losing a man until it was too late. It was really bad IMO.

But he shouldn’t be in the position he is. It was always the worry that it would start going this way. He’s had a terrible start though, absolutely awful.

[Tambo]

The pressure will undoubtedly be on Gray to turn it around before the end of the year.

[blackpoolhibs]

What’s the alternative , Sack him and give somebody else another 7 games or give him a chance and get behind him ? .

Well you told us how good we are and how we've improved over what we had after 6 games? :confused:

[The Modfather]

What’s the alternative , Sack him and give somebody else another 7 games or give him a chance and get behind him ? .

Plod along and hope the rookie manager doesn’t drag us into serious relegation trouble. Meanwhile, hand over full control of all football matters to the Black Knights. If they come to the conclusion that the likes of Gray, Mackay, Marshall etc are the best out there then great, if not let them make whatever changes are needed.

[NC1875]

Should never have been anywhere near a job as big as Hibs.

Scott Brown, twice the player David Gray was, having played under far superior managers is currently cutting his teeth at Ayr United while Gray walked into the Hibs job.

Another Kensell and co masterclass 👏🏼

[Walkerbaws]

What half decent experienced manager would want to come in below Malky mackay and be told you’ll have no money to spend until the end of the season when we want to empty the majority of the squad?! 🤷

[JohnM1875]

Well you told us how good we are and how we've improved over what we had after 6 games? :confused:

From the start of the season we have improved though. Anyone can see that surely? Better team for the majority of the game today an no idea how we went in at HT at 0-0.

The issue is Gray didn't change things up when needed. He's going to have to realise it's his job, especially at home, to make changes when it matters. As soon as we equalised we should have went for it. Instead waited till the red card and then we were never going to win.

[blackpoolhibs]

From the start of the season we have improved though. Anyone can see that surely? Better team for the majority of the game today an no idea how we went in at HT at 0-0.

The issue is Gray didn't change things up when needed. He's going to have to realise it's his job, especially at home, to make changes when it matters. As soon as we equalised we should have went for it. Instead waited till the red card and then we were never going to win.

What do points make?

I've heard this bull so many times about how we've improved season after season, but the only guage i use is results.

My eyes are fine, i can see what's happening again, aand it's more of the usual.

[GreenCastle]

Maybe those sitting in West lower have a better view but does he just stand there constantly with hands in pocket ?

Saw him having a chat with the several coaches after sending off but took ages to actually make a change.

Not expecting crazy passion but encouraging from sidelines would maybe get the team going more 2nd half ?

Disclaimer I know this is only a minor issue but players do react to these things.

[JohnM1875]

What do points make?

I've heard this bull so many times about how we've improved season after season, but the only guage i use is results.

My eyes are fine, i can see what's happening again, aand it's more of the usual.

You can play well and lose games though. Happens every weekend.

I'm not going to try and defend todays result, went into the match buzzing and left it absolutely fuming. But I don't think we were **** though.

[Kato]

...all the bad pennies with their expert advise on here tonight...

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[He's here!]

7 games into the new season to be making an assessment like that is a bit early IMO .

Hearts and St Johnstone have sacked their managers already...

Gray also has the Kelty fiasco to shoulder as well as the grim start to the league season. He's already under pressure, no question. As others have said it won't be a major surprise if a derby defeat sees him get the boot.

[LaMotta]

He needs to stop playing Campbell. He obviously likes him, but Campbell's performance today was a step too far. A performance not even close to good enough for a premiership player. Millers's been awful the last two weeks, but Cadden was also awful today. One of them has to drop out.

He also needs to find a way to get Youan in the line up and buzzing again - that is a must.

Boyle coming back will be a huge plus, because despite some talk from some fans about Boyle being finished etc, the fact he has 10 goal contributions shows us how vital he is. But I'm now worried after today, because I'm not sure where we are going to be picking up points this season. It's also likely IMO that Hearts will get better as well unfortunately - hope I'm wrong, but I think their results will improve.

[blackpoolhibs]

You can play well and lose games though. Happens every weekend.

I'm not going to try and defend todays result, went into the match buzzing and left it absolutely fuming. But I don't think we were **** though.

FFS we all know that, we do it regularly enough.

[Cabbage-Patch]

When the inevitable Derby win for a equally crap hearts team comes he will be gone and Malky will take over.

[H18 SFR]

When the inevitable Derby win for a equally crap hearts team comes he will be gone and Malky will take over.

This is where things are for me as well. Ultimately it will be for the greater good if Gray is removed end of October rather than say end of march- if it is the latter then we are knee deep in it.

[Callum_62]

From the start of the season we have improved though. Anyone can see that surely? Better team for the majority of the game today an no idea how we went in at HT at 0-0.

The issue is Gray didn't change things up when needed. He's going to have to realise it's his job, especially at home, to make changes when it matters. As soon as we equalised we should have went for it. Instead waited till the red card and then we were never going to win.I'm sick of hearing this hard luck story

Hibs are naive.

Lead but a naive manager with naive players

It's simply not good enough

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[dp00]

If Gray ends up losing his job, there should be a full scale protest for the hierarchy/ceo to be joining him.

That’s exactly why he won’t be sacked … if he is the board know what would happen


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[Nicho87]

I was 100% monty out

I’m 100% backing gray

I’d have backed any manager, to be honest we’re at a point where it’s not the manager it’s the recruitment, owners, mentality, whatever you want to call it.


We’re no where near calling for gray to go.

Owners, Kensell, recruitment team to go at long before we get to gray.

[InvertedFullBak]

The signs were there after the kelty disaster I’m afraid. He’ll be away by the end of the season and only in the job because out of the other 49 applicants who applied for it he was the best.

[JohnM1875]

I'm sick of hearing this hard luck story

Hibs are naive.

Lead but a naive manager with naive players

It's simply not good enough

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I don't disagree. I'm the same. But to say there hasn't been an improvement in performance I think is wrong.

I went on about Aberdeen having an easy start to the season. They've won every ****ing game! How easy a start can you really get in a 12 team league? Five points from seven games isn't good enough.

[random sub]

Incredibly harsh on Myk imo

First header he done well to get on the end of and the keeper made a save he knew nothing about, ball fell to him and defenders were chucking themselves at the ball

Corner comes in, he again does brilliant to win the ball and it’s cleared off the line

For the little service he gets I think he’s been unlucky

I wasn’t sure of the hype on his return. I’m still not writing him off of anything- I think he is okay- but just not showing enough positional or raw goal scoring ability

[Iain G]

David Gray is sadly lacking in at managerial level as soon as I heard that Cadden was utilised as wing back I knew we would struggle today, Yohan should have been given right wing position poor selection from Gray. One leauge win this season points to a relegation fight and I don’t feel Gray has enough experience to turn our fortunes around. Our defence is a shambles and Triantis i’s ais a bomb scare crazy red card today.

Oh you have popped up again! Nice to have a pet yam back on the board...

[Hibees1973]

He's not yet fully qualified. Still doing his badges with the SFA.

He will now feel under pressure with what has gone before with the previous 4 managers and won't last much longer if this goes on.

Feared for him at the start. Gray would have been much better off going down the leagues to get experience. If successful at a lower level he would have got the Hibs job at some point. However, the Golden Quadrant deemed him good enough now.

His start as manager could not have been much worse.

Will be lucky to last another month if he does not get a win soon.

Malky from the Golden Quadrant is waiting in the wings to get the managers job when Gray is punted. Disgraceful.

[random sub]

Incredibly harsh on Myk imo

First header he done well to get on the end of and the keeper made a save he knew nothing about, ball fell to him and defenders were chucking themselves at the ball

Corner comes in, he again does brilliant to win the ball and it’s cleared off the line

For the little service he gets I think he’s been unlucky

I wasn’t sure of the hype on his return. I’m still not writing him off of anything- I think he is okay- but just not showing enough positional or raw goal scoring ability

[blackpoolhibs]

This lot running the club wont give a toss about sacking a living legend if it saves their own skin.

And it will be the idiots who own the clubs fault for appointing him in the first place.

[Iain G]

He will get time, and he should get time, as it's going to take more than a handful of games to establish a backbone and a positive mentality in the team.

[zitelli62]

Make no mistake we are in trouble,the coaches he's surrounded himself with don't look up to much and that's down to Gray a long winter ahead.

[Hibees1973]

This lot running the club wont give a toss about sacking a living legend if it saves their own skin.

And it will be the idiots who own the clubs fault for appointing him in the first place.

Exactly.

The Golden Quadrant have no scruples. They have already sacked 4 managers within the last 4 years and are an old pals act.

Was cozy, easy and cheap for them to appoint Gray.

Also it's well publicised that they ignore advice from the Black Knights.

[supermcginn]

1 league win and a loss to kelty hearts, it's been a disaster so far. If he thinks Campbell and Cadden are the answer in attacking positions at home to Motherwell then he won't be here much longer.

[Crab apple]

David Gray is sadly lacking in at managerial level as soon as I heard that Cadden was utilised as wing back I knew we would struggle today, Yohan should have been given right wing position poor selection from Gray. One leauge win this season points to a relegation fight and I don’t feel Gray has enough experience to turn our fortunes around. Our defence is a shambles and Triantis i’s ais a bomb scare crazy red card today.

Totally agree. Cadden is a limited player and playing him where he did today nullified any threat from that side. Triantis was a red waiting to happen after the early booking.

[MikeyS]

Is the alternative false bravado or simply ignore what’s going on?

I believe the alternative is proclaiming our summer recruitment as excellent

[Crab apple]

Maybe those sitting in West lower have a better view but does he just stand there constantly with hands in pocket ?

Saw him having a chat with the several coaches after sending off but took ages to actually make a change.

Not expecting crazy passion but encouraging from sidelines would maybe get the team going more 2nd half ?

Disclaimer I know this is only a minor issue but players do react to these things.

Saw that too. And the goalkeeping coach Samson (who the sheep got rid off) seems to have a big influence.

[Iain G]

Exactly.

The Golden Quadrant have no scruples. They have already sacked 4 managers within the last 4 years and are an old pals act.

Was cozy, easy and cheap for them to appoint Gray.

Also it's well publicised that they ignore advice from the Black Knights.

And what if the Black Knights advice was ****? Why do you assume they are in the right and Hibs are wrong?

[blackpoolhibs]

And what if the Black Knights advice was ****? Why do you assume they are in the right and Hibs are wrong?

What have the got right on the football side of things since buying the club?


I think the answer to your question might be in the answer above?

[B.H.F.C]

And what if the Black Knights advice was ****? Why do you assume they are in the right and Hibs are wrong?

The lack of anything to do with the Black Knights is baffling. There’s no point in getting in to that type of thing if you’re just going to do your own thing anyway. My feeling is that Kensell and Gordon have just saw the £6m and thought of nothing else beyond that.

I really wish we could get rid of the lot of them that are running the club. They’ll end up relegating us.

[SHODAN]

Look.

Changing the manager will definitely work this time. Promise.

[Fergos]

This lot running the club wont give a toss about sacking a living legend if it saves their own skin.

And it will be the idiots who own the clubs fault for appointing him in the first place.

Totally. They appointed him to take the heat off their appalling footballing record to date as they knew how well he is regarded with the support, crap appointments at player and manager level and no £ to pay for another brand new appointment. Desperate for him to do well but its been a very poor start.

[Trinity Hibee]

Can’t see him being sacked until December if things don’t improve. I’d be stunned if it’s earlier given the churn of managers. As others have said, sacking him will just highlight even more the deficiencies of the board and they will know that.

[Hibees1973]

And what if the Black Knights advice was ****? Why do you assume they are in the right and Hibs are wrong?

How many wrongs does Ian Gordon have in him.

Ian Gordon has been highly influential the minute he came through the door.

Ron confirmed Ross was sacked too early, of which Ian Gordon will have been partly responsible for. Also, Ian Gordon will have been involved in the appointments & sackings of Maloney, Johnson & Montgomery. All failures.

Now Gray is performing badly. Appointed by the Golden Quadrant, bypassing any advice from the Black Knights.

[MikeyS]

And what if the Black Knights advice was ****? Why do you assume they are in the right and Hibs are wrong?


Never mind Bill Foley's Black Knights, at this stage I'd welcome advice from Sir Trevor McDonald, Sir Lenny Henry & Sir Lewis Hamilton!

[Bostonhibby]

If Gray ends up losing his job, there should be a full scale protest for the hierarchy/ceo to be joining him.They're well entrenched. Every chance our next manager will be a Malky who is highly regarded by another Malky.



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[hfc-1875]

Is it just me that it’s a real pet peeve when people youan Yohan? 🤣

[Steve20]

Gordon’s have been terrible for the club on the pitch and that’s all that matters to a football supporter.

And the state of the playing squad is horrible. No other manager is coming in and making them any good. They’re awful.

[number9dream]

I love the man, that will never change. But he's not quite there yet, is he? He'll get time, the whole season I'd imagine, and I hope nothing more that he turns it around.

Still nowhere near it when it comes to impacting a game. Subs are mental and too late.

Hope he turns it around.


Hope so too, but couldn’t see any discernible plan other than get the ball to Hoilett… The subs weakened a very average side again.

[Carheenlea]

A win percentage in competitive games this season of 41.67 so far.

Feels like it should be lower than that but 41.67 is where it is right now.

[BoomtownHibees]

Is it just me that it’s a real pet peeve when people youan Yohan? 🤣

Annoys me more when folk miss words out in their posts

[Northernhibee]

Gordon’s have been terrible for the club on the pitch and that’s all that matters to a football supporter.

And the state of the playing squad is horrible. No other manager is coming in and making them any good. They’re awful.

No manager worth their salt is touching us with a twenty foot barge pole. A trigger happy club where a tenure of overhalf a year may be considered a relative success, a bloated squad lacking in quality and character, takes a dozen chances to get one goal but leaks goals for fun at the back, and working under the Golden Quadrant?

[GreenCastle]

Would prefer Gray than MM - that I know 100%.

As poor as Gray has been so far can’t see him getting sacked anytime soon unless he gets a hammering in the derby which I doubt will happen.

[B.H.F.C]

A win percentage in competitive games this season of 41.67 so far.

Feels like it should be lower than that but 41.67 is where it is right now.

You do need to account for the fact that 3 of his 4 wins were against lower league teams (2 of them from League 2). And we lost to a team from League One.

It’s been a dreadful start irrespective of that win percentage.

[mcohibs]

I think if SDG gets sacked there will be protests for Kensell and the Gordons to go

Undoubtedly. I think they know that as well. Which in itself is a concern should things get really bad under Gray.

[B.H.F.C]

Would prefer Gray than MM - that I know 100%.

As poor as Gray has been so far can’t see him getting sacked anytime soon unless he gets a hammering in the derby which I doubt will happen.

He won’t get the sack any time soon and neither he should.

What I saw from him today really worried me but he should be given plenty opportunity to get it right. He needs to get results but I really hate everything about our current board and ownership.

[LunasBoots]

Want Gray to do well but can't help but feel this is the wrong job for him, I'd much rather a experienced manager, hope he can turn this around, problem for me is we never look like a team that can go on a run of wins.

[Donegal Hibby]

Well you told us how good we are and how we've improved over what we had after 6 games? :confused:

The signings like Triantis , Kwon , Myko , Hoilet , Bowie are good and much improved from when we were signing your Jair , Henderson , Kennehs , Harbottles etc …
Surely your not confused about that one !!

Again though what’s the alternative?

[One Day Soon]

From the start of the season we have improved though. Anyone can see that surely? Better team for the majority of the game today an no idea how we went in at HT at 0-0.

The issue is Gray didn't change things up when needed. He's going to have to realise it's his job, especially at home, to make changes when it matters. As soon as we equalised we should have went for it. Instead waited till the red card and then we were never going to win.

No. The league doesn’t lie. We’re not ‘better’ until the results start to prove it. At best we are currently flattering to deceive, and that’s over stating it.

[blackpoolhibs]

The signings like Triantis , Kwon , Myko , Hoilet , Bowie are good and much improved from when we were signing your Jair , Henderson , Kennehs , Harbottles etc …
Surely your not confused about that one !!

Again though what’s the alternative?

Jair , Henderson , Kennehs , Harbottles etc … Never played, they were not first team players who actually played every week?

Where i'm confused is we've obviously got better as you keep telling us, yet results are the same if not worse?

[JohnM1875]

No. The league doesn’t lie. We’re not ‘better’ until the results start to prove it. At best we are currently flattering to deceive, and that’s over stating it.

So the best teams always wins at full time? Seriously?

[Bostonhibby]

No. The league doesn’t lie. We’re not ‘better’ until the results start to prove it. At best we are currently flattering to deceive, and that’s over stating it.I'm seriously concerned we might keep being this much better as I'm not seeing where the better required for a relegation battle might come from, certainly not at home.

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[One Day Soon]

He's not yet fully qualified. Still doing his badges with the SFA.

He will now feel under pressure with what has gone before with the previous 4 managers and won't last much longer if this goes on.

Feared for him at the start. Gray would have been much better off going down the leagues to get experience. If successful at a lower level he would have got the Hibs job at some point. However, the Golden Quadrant deemed him good enough now.

His start as manager could not have been much worse.

Will be lucky to last another month if he does not get a win soon.

Malky from the Golden Quadrant is waiting in the wings to get the managers job when Gray is punted. Disgraceful.

If that happens they can **** off. We’re well past the stage where tame pets and mates are what we need in the manager’s office. I would absolutely stop going at that point.

[Donegal Hibby]

Jair , Henderson , Kennehs , Harbottles etc … Never played, they were not first team players who actually played every week?

Where i'm confused is we've obviously got better as you keep telling us, yet results are the same if not worse?

I’m sure it was said that we invested a fair amount on some of these like wages etc so I presume that they were signed as first team players . Levitt another example unless you think we paid 250k for a substitute of course …

Results haven’t improved though some of the performances have since Monty’s time … only 7 games in , early days yet .

[Paulie Walnuts]

I know there’s an argument he should never have applied but ****ing hell, he should never have been given the job so in that regard I feel sorry for him.

****ing shambles as always at Hibs.

[Bostonhibby]

I’m sure it was said that we invested a fair amount on some of these like wages etc so I presume that they were signed as first team players . Levitt another example unless you think we paid 250k for a substitute of course …

Results haven’t improved though some of the performances have since Monty’s time … only 7 games in , early days yet .Your not wrong, we gave them money, incredible but there we are

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[blackpoolhibs]

I’m sure it was said that we invested a fair amount on some of these like wages etc so I presume that they were signed as first team players . Levitt another example unless you think we paid 250k for a substitute of course …

Results haven’t improved though some of the performances have since Monty’s time … only 7 games in , early days yet .

We've signed pish year on year, once again we are struggling to win games, dont you notice a pattern?

What are these games we've seen improvement on over Monty's term, did he not have any good games, were you not telling us how good a manager he was for ages and ages and ages?

[Saint Hibee]

I know they’ll be people telling me that the derby is “just another game” but if we lose to such a truly abysmal Hearts team, then I’ll really start questioning Gray’s appointment.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m sure it was said that we invested a fair amount on some of these like wages etc so I presume that they were signed as first team players . Levitt another example unless you think we paid 250k for a substitute of course …

Results haven’t improved though some of the performances have since Monty’s time … only 7 games in , early days yet .

What does it matter if they were signed as first team players or not?

They didn’t play. We’ve not improved on the players that didn’t play. If the aim was simply to improve on the players that didn’t play, but not necessarily the players that did play, then where would that leave us? In exactly the same place.

The aim was to improve on the players that were playing week in, week out, so the new players that would play week in, week out. Yet again, Mackay been made a total mess of.

[Unseen work]

I know they’ll be people telling me that the derby is “just another game” but if we lose to such a truly abysmal Hearts team, then I’ll really start questioning Gray’s appointment.

The issue for me is I think hearts have a good team, who are just playing really poorly right now

They have players they know can turn it on, I don’t think we say we have that

[Callum_62]

I know there’s an argument he should never have applied but ****ing hell, he should never have been given the job so in that regard I feel sorry for him.

****ing shambles as always at Hibs.I don't get that train of thought at all-
David Gray isnt some innocent child

If gray doesnt start getting results ASAP he will, quite right be replaced

I'd genuinely be on the cusp of firing him soon

He's naive, the team is naive and will be underachievers under him..unless he starts learning really quicky

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[SteveHFC]

I know they’ll be people telling me that the derby is “just another game” but if we lose to such a truly abysmal Hearts team, then I’ll really start questioning Gray’s appointment.
:top marksand the fact that a win for them could see us at bottom of table and im not sure we have what it takes to recover from it

[Ronniekirk]

The signings like Triantis , Kwon , Myko , Hoilet , Bowie are good and much improved from when we were signing your Jair , Henderson , Kennehs , Harbottles etc …
Surely your not confused about that one !!

Again though what’s the alternative?
I agree they seem better signings But it’s our League position that counts
Aberdeen were worse than us last season but sign a decent manager and look at the difference between the two teams now
We look nowhere near a team thst could fight for 4 th ,and bottom six is where we are ?and could remain if we continue this form

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't get that train of thought at all-
David Gray isnt some innocent child

If gray doesnt start getting results ASAP he will, quite right be replaced

I'd genuinely be on the cusp of firing him soon

He's naive, the team is naive and will be underachievers under him..unless he starts learning really quicky

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I get that.

I think there’s been a degree of romanticism from everyone involved with the appointment. For me it’s the clubs job to see through that, not SDG or the fans. And I fully accept I’m possibly giving him leeway purely for being SDG.

[Row H]

I agree they seem better signings But it’s our League position that counts
Aberdeen were worse than us last season but sign a decent manager and look at the difference between the two teams now
We look nonwhetd near cream thst could fight for 4 th and bottom six is where we are and could remain if we continue this form

The cream always rises to the top.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Campbell will get SDG sacked. He’s not good enough yet SDG picks him in one of the most important positions.

[hfc-1875]

Annoys me more when folk miss words out in their posts

Sound pal 🤣👍🏻

[B.H.F.C]

Campbell will get SDG sacked. He’s not good enough yet SDG picks him in one of the most important positions.

Not addressing that position during the window was scandalous. We have no creativity in there, we just put umpteen hopeful crosses in to the box and hope for the best.

[Bostonhibby]

I know they’ll be people telling me that the derby is “just another game” but if we lose to such a truly abysmal Hearts team, then I’ll really start questioning Gray’s appointment.Abysmal struggling Hearts have to turn their season round and make their fans think allisbarry again.



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[Jim44]

The real tragedy of our further demise is that the club is being run by clowns. Ron Gordon, whose purchase of the club initially looked promising, turned sour as , by his own admission, he made mistakes ( I won’t quote the obvious one ). His son and hangers on are taking the club nowhere and, while I think we will survive this season, the rest of the season looks bleak to me

[Pretty Boy]

I said Gray needed time. I'm not calling from him to go. I don't think his position should be in any doubt at this point.

It would be nice to see some progress though. Much of this season has been every bit as grim as last season. I don't care about 'playing well in spells' or whatever else. We have been hearing 'it's going to click and we are going to give someone a doing' since Johnson was here and it's still yet to click.

It needs to be better and it doesn't need to take 4 or 5 windows to get better. Aberdeen were worse than us last season and a shrewd appointment and a few astute signings has them flying.

[Callum_62]

I said Gray needed time. I'm not calling from him to go. I don't think his position should be in any doubt at this point.

It would be nice to see some progress though. Much of this season has been every bit as grim as last season. I don't care about 'playing well in spells' or whatever else. We have been hearing 'it's going to click and we are going to give someone a doing' since Johnson was here and it's still yet to click.

It needs to be better and it doesn't need to take 4 or 5 windows to get better. Aberdeen were worse than us last season and a shrewd appointment and a few astute signings has them flying.Did we look look like a solid cohesive team today?

I dont think we did - we done ok but the general naivety of our team mirrors the naivety of our managr

I'm generally one for advocating for the manager

That is where gray is really letting me down though

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[theonlywayisup]

David Gray is sadly lacking in at managerial level as soon as I heard that Cadden was utilised as wing back I knew we would struggle today, Yohan should have been given right wing position poor selection from Gray. One leauge win this season points to a relegation fight and I don’t feel Gray has enough experience to turn our fortunes around. Our defence is a shambles and Triantis i’s ais a bomb scare crazy red card today.

Stopped reading when you suggested Youan should have started.

[raeburnhibs]

Did we look look like a solid cohesive team today?

I dont think we did - we done ok but the general naivety of our team mirrors the naivety of our managr

I'm generally one for advocating for the manager

That is where gray is really letting me down though

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We looked solid and cohesive for large parts of the game, had chances, missed those chances then played unconvincingly for long enough to lose the game; we need to take the chances as that changes everything

[JohnM1875]

I said Gray needed time. I'm not calling from him to go. I don't think his position should be in any doubt at this point.

It would be nice to see some progress though. Much of this season has been every bit as grim as last season. I don't care about 'playing well in spells' or whatever else. We have been hearing 'it's going to click and we are going to give someone a doing' since Johnson was here and it's still yet to click.

It needs to be better and it doesn't need to take 4 or 5 windows to get better. Aberdeen were worse than us last season and a shrewd appointment and a few astute signings has them flying.

It's starting to get that way with me that I'm questioning sacking LJ. I'm the first to call anyone out that mentions JR as well.

We've just been constantly pish for years. The things that makes it even more frustrating is it's the years where our coefficient has meant 3rd/SC win and it's guaranteed group stage football.

[B.H.F.C]

Did we look look like a solid cohesive team today?

I dont think we did - we done ok but the general naivety of our team mirrors the naivety of our managr

I'm generally one for advocating for the manager

That is where gray is really letting me down though

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I wasn’t expecting miracles from Gray. But with what I’d seen from him in his various caretaker spells, then the fact he prioritised a goalie and centre halves, I thought we’d be much more solid. Some of the goals we lose are so basic.

We are just seeing no improvement in some of the most basic aspects of the game.

[Chorley Hibee]

Gray is out of his depth, and it hurts me to say that, but it's the truth.

However, the only change I want to see at Easter Road is the ownership and the CEO.

They are the root cause of the ****show that's been going on for years.

Until they're gone then nothing will change.

I'll go further and state, right now, that it's only going to get worse.

[JohnM1875]

Did we look look like a solid cohesive team today?

I dont think we did - we done ok but the general naivety of our team mirrors the naivety of our managr

I'm generally one for advocating for the manager

That is where gray is really letting me down though

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You don't think we looked solid and cohesive? I get it's **** losing but we were by some distance the better team today. Created plenty and until the sending off we were rarely threatened (Campbells brain farts aside)

Agree about manager naivety though, and I'm not sure it'll get better before the inevitable unfortunately.

[Donegal Hibby]

I agree they seem better signings But it’s our League position that counts
Aberdeen were worse than us last season but sign a decent manager and look at the difference between the two teams now
We look nowhere near a team thst could fight for 4 th ,and bottom six is where we are ?and could remain if we continue this form

I get that about our league position and it really does need to improve though I do think its to early to start getting the knives out for Gray .. while not picking up the points in our last two games we all wanted , I do think that we genuinely played well in them …

individual mistakes , a missed penalty , sending off and two really good saves by the other teams keepers have been the fine margins , Gray should and hopefully will get more time .

[Chorley Hibee]

I get that about our league position and it really does need to improve though I do think its to early to start getting the knives out for Gray .. while not picking up the points in our last two games we all wanted , I do think that we genuinely played well in them …

individual mistakes , a missed penalty , sending off and two really good saves by the other teams keepers have been the fine margins , Gray should and hopefully will get more time .

I'm sorry, I admire your optimism and your willingness to see the best of a situation, but it's a sign of how conditioned we've become to this garbage that anyone can say we've "played well" today.

We've had a few chances amidst what was largely the usual slow and plodding snorefest that most games involving Hibs are.

We create very little, have no killer instinct, a non-existent backbone, and a catalogue of piss-poor players.

We are absolutely rotten to watch most weeks, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

[Callum_62]

You don't think we looked solid and cohesive? I get it's **** losing but we were by some distance the better team today. Created plenty and until the sending off we were rarely threatened (Campbells brain farts aside)

Agree about manager naivety though, and I'm not sure it'll get better before the inevitable unfortunately.I read that phrase about the better team so often it becomes boring

We are continuously not good enough in the derisive third or attacking third

The odd game we lose while being the better team, ok - that can happen but for it to happen over and over, that's not bad luck - that's a bad team that's badly coached

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[Chorley Hibee]

I read that phrase about the better team so often it becomes boring

We are continuously not good enough in the derisive third or attacking third

The odd game we lose while being the better team, ok - that can happen but for it to happen over and over, that's not bad luck - that's a bad team that's badly coached

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Couldn't agree more.

Listening to half our fans you'd be convinced we're the unluckiest side on the face of this earth.

We're not, we're just *****.

[Bostonhibby]

I'm sorry, I admire your optimism and your willingness to see the best of a situation, but it's a sign of how conditioned we've become to this garbage that anyone can say we've "played well" today.

We've had a few changes amidst what was largely the usual slow and plodding snorefest that most games involving Hibs are.

We create very little, have no killer instinct, a non-existent backbone, and a catalogue of piss-poor players.

We are absolutely rotten to watch most weeks, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.I'm with you, and no disrespect to the quoted poster either.

I just think that for every team outside the uglies that we play it's like watching George Foreman against Ali in the famous rope a dope fight, they're all waiting for the moment, and we ain't Ali.

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[Coco Bryce]

Sauzee never got any leeway as manager and Gray won't either.

Winning games is the only thing that matters. Failing to do that will result in any manager losing their job.

Gray needs a few wins quickly or things will turn sour if we are sitting bottom of the league.

[GreenCastle]

You don't think we looked solid and cohesive? I get it's **** losing but we were by some distance the better team today. Created plenty and until the sending off we were rarely threatened (Campbells brain farts aside)

Agree about manager naivety though, and I'm not sure it'll get better before the inevitable unfortunately.

First Motherwell attack of the game - cross and a volley could have easily been 1-0 down.

They had a few other moments 1st half but wasn’t too bad.

2nd half was woeful..

Keeper looked dodgy
Miller couldn’t stop 1v1s
Centre backs no where near ball at times

The CDMs leaving massive spaces.

I’m surprised it was only 2-1 in the end.

Motherwell had more ball 2nd half - 6 shots on goal and an offside goal. Also looked like a few penalty claims.

[B.H.F.C]

Sauzee never got any leeway as manager and Gray won't either.

Winning games is the only thing that matters. Failing to do that will result in any manager losing their job.

Gray needs a few wins quickly or things will turn sour if we are sitting bottom of the league.

Gray will get more leeway and that, IMO, is one of the reasons that he’s in the job. He’ll shield those idiots above him and they know it.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'm sorry, I admire your optimism and your willingness to see the best of a situation, but it's a sign of how conditioned we've become to this garbage that anyone can say we've "played well" today.

We've had a few chances amidst what was largely the usual slow and plodding snorefest that most games involving Hibs are.

We create very little, have no killer instinct, a non-existent backbone, and a catalogue of piss-poor players.

We are absolutely rotten to watch most weeks, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Thought the first half we were the better team and felt when we equalised that we would go on to win it , sending off altered the game and there was individual mistakes again .. while 3 points off the bottom , we are also 3 of 6th place too .. Dundee utd next which we should have Boyle , Newell back and is winnable .

Going to keep clinging on to the hope things will get better , I always find when there’s none things just really look sheite. 🫣

[Coco Bryce]

Gray will get more leeway and that, IMO, is one of the reasons that he’s in the job. He’ll shield those idiots above him and they know it.

If things don't improve quickly the board will be ****ting it, as they know it will be them that the fans turn on as well as the manager.

[JimBHibees]

Seems very odd we are so susceptible to long throws or crosses. Our back 4 and two centre mids are all 6 feet plus and pretty much all of them cannot head the ball. Has Miller ever properly competed for the ball in the air never mind actually head it. The winning goal is volleyed in from the centre of the 6 yard line ffs. Utterly scandalous lack of leadership and defending. Cadden another who can't head the ball.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Plod along and hope the rookie manager doesn’t drag us into serious relegation trouble. Meanwhile, hand over full control of all football matters to the Black Knights. If they come to the conclusion that the likes of Gray, Mackay, Marshall etc are the best out there then great, if not let them make whatever changes are needed.

Malcolm MacPherson is on record as ignoring the advice of Sir Alex in a talk on hiring a rookie manager with Sauzee. He’s at it again with SDG - would seem against the advice of Fergie and the BK.

He needs to explain himself and whether he’s compromised in bringing in Malky Mackay - again it would appear against the wishes of the BK. Time will tell whether he’s made good call or bad call - again.

[B.H.F.C]

If things don't improve quickly the board will be ****ting it, as they know it will be them that the fans turn on as well as the manager.

I don’t really think they’ll be ****ting it. They’ve been getting stick for ages and it doesn’t make any difference. Remember that clown Malcolm McPherson with his ridiculous comments?

They’re all rich folk who don’t really give a **** about simple supporters like us or what we think.

[Chorley Hibee]

Malcolm MacPherson is on record as ignoring the advice of Sir Alex in a talk on hiring a rookie manager with Sauzee. He’s at it again with SDG - would seem against the advice of Fergie and the BK.

He need me to explain himself and whether he’s compromised in bringing in Malky Mackay - again it would appear against the wishes of the BK. Time will tell whether he’s made good call or bad call - again.

It's incredible really that given what a mess we were in, the answer to all our problems was Malcolm McPherson's pal, a manager (a failed coach) that was already here, and a 'technical performance manager' who was previously our goalkeeper (a rubbish one at that).

We're all being taken for fools.

[hibee-boys]

Our team and club required an experienced coach/manager to lead the team. Sick to death of these experiments. At the very least they should’ve appointed an experienced assistant manager but no, May/Craig/Samson🤷🏼

[NAE NOOKIE]

In the end it doesn't matter what folk have to say .... what matters is results and ours are terrible. No matter what the players individual qualities, good or bad, the point is we are dropping points to teams we have spent way more than, with players earning at least £1000 a week less than ours, almost certainly more.

IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH ... It's that simple !!!

[Iain G]

Malcolm MacPherson is on record as ignoring the advice of Sir Alex in a talk on hiring a rookie manager with Sauzee. He’s at it again with SDG - would seem against the advice of Fergie and the BK.

He need me to explain himself and whether he’s compromised in bringing in Malky Mackay - again it would appear against the wishes of the BK. Time will tell whether he’s made good call or bad call - again.

Again if the BK want to make the decisions they should pony up and buy a controlling interest in Hibs, it was always clear the Gordons would have the final say as the owners. Who knows what the BK's suggested to Hibs?

Bringing in people on the football side with experience of Scottish Football after years of not doing that made sense to most people.

[K-Zazu]

Again if the BK want to make the decisions they should pony up and buy a controlling interest in Hibs, it was always clear the Gordons would have the final say as the owners. Who knows what the BK's suggested to Hibs?

Bringing in people on the football side with experience of Scottish Football after years of not doing that made sense to most people.

They can’t buy a controlling interest. Foley owns a club in England.

[matty_f]

I don’t think Gray is out his depth. I think in general there’s been steady progress in performances from the start of the season.
In the first half we were fine, I felt we were totally comfortable in the game without being great.
The second half was murder though - and it’s a real problem that we’ve taken only 5 points from a run of fixtures that, while not easy, has had home games against Motherwell and Dundee, and visits to Kilmarnock and St Mirren. Two points from twelve in those games. It’s unacceptable.

These are the games we need to win if we want fourth and European football. Third, I would suggest, is gone already and defeat today puts us eight behind Motherwell after just seven games.

I advocate giving him time, contrary to some posts on this thread I’m told that the club are working closely with BKFC but things are at a very early stage. Malky is not interested in being manager of Hibernian, there is no question of him waiting in the wings for Gray to fail.

There is a lot riding on Malky being a success in his role. He wasn’t BKFC’s choice and nor was SDG, but they backed the decision once it was made.

For me, I go back to the conversations we had when Johnson was in and I think we need to stop swinging from “the recruitment team need a big pat on the back and Gray looks like the man” to “another clear out is required and Gray is out his depth” depending on the weekend’s result.

[JohnM1875]

I don’t think Gray is out his depth. I think in general there’s been steady progress in performances from the start of the season.
In the first half we were fine, I felt we were totally comfortable in the game without being great.
The second half was murder though - and it’s a real problem that we’ve taken only 5 points from a run of fixtures that, while not easy, has had home games against Motherwell and Dundee, and visits to Kilmarnock and St Mirren. Two points from twelve in those games. It’s unacceptable.

These are the games we need to win if we want fourth and European football. Third, I would suggest, is gone already and defeat today puts us eight behind Motherwell after just seven games.

I advocate giving him time, contrary to some posts on this thread I’m told that the club are working closely with BKFC but things are at a very early stage. Malky is not interested in being manager of Hibernian, there is no question of him waiting in the wings for Gray to fail.

There is a lot riding on Malky being a success in his role. He wasn’t BKFC’s choice and nor was SDG, but they backed the decision once it was made.

For me, I go back to the conversations we had when Johnson was in and I think we need to stop swinging from “the recruitment team need a big pat on the back and Gray looks like the man” to “another clear out is required and Gray is out his depth” depending on the weekend’s result.

Gray needs to start affecting games. Reluctance to change things today ****ed us.

[Coco Bryce]

I don’t think Gray is out his depth. I think in general there’s been steady progress in performances from the start of the season.
In the first half we were fine, I felt we were totally comfortable in the game without being great.
The second half was murder though - and it’s a real problem that we’ve taken only 5 points from a run of fixtures that, while not easy, has had home games against Motherwell and Dundee, and visits to Kilmarnock and St Mirren. Two points from twelve in those games. It’s unacceptable.

These are the games we need to win if we want fourth and European football. Third, I would suggest, is gone already and defeat today puts us eight behind Motherwell after just seven games.

I advocate giving him time, contrary to some posts on this thread I’m told that the club are working closely with BKFC but things are at a very early stage. Malky is not interested in being manager of Hibernian, there is no question of him waiting in the wings for Gray to fail.

There is a lot riding on Malky being a success in his role. He wasn’t BKFC’s choice and nor was SDG, but they backed the decision once it was made.

For me, I go back to the conversations we had when Johnson was in and I think we need to stop swinging from “the recruitment team need a big pat on the back and Gray looks like the man” to “another clear out is required and Gray is out his depth” depending on the weekend’s result.

Who said Gray was the man?

[matty_f]

Gray needs to start affecting games. Reluctance to change things today ****ed us.

He does but he needs his players to realise that’s what they do matters. Players missing easy chances, fannying about with penalties, rubbing through the back of folk to give away penalties etc are the problem. If he had hair, he’d be tearing it out at this stuff.

[matty_f]

Who said Gray was the man?

My mate Dave.

[Coco Bryce]

My mate Dave.

He also said Monty was the man 😂

[Fergos]

Asking SDG to sort out a minimim of 5 transfer windows of erratic and altogether poor signings in 1 window is naive to say the least.

As i and others have said he was appointed as a shield for the Gordons as they know we love him and he would be a popular choice for most. This and they didnt want to fork out more £ on a brand new appointment.

The issue here is 5 years of poor footballing performance under the Gordons watch. 2 top 6 finishes, one of which was with the last regime’s appointment and one with LJ when we sneaked 5th at the last gasp.

Until the Gordons sort themselves out or go i cant see things changing for any positive outcome. Kensall also.

[JohnM1875]

He does but he needs his players to realise that’s what they do matters. Players missing easy chances, fannying about with penalties, rubbing through the back of folk to give away penalties etc are the problem. If he had hair, he’d be tearing it out at this stuff.

Isn't that every manager/coach in the world though?

We were unlucky to go a goal behind. But, for me, as soon as it goes 1-1 he has to make changes.

[GreenCastle]

Isn't that every manager/coach in the world though?

We were unlucky to go a goal behind. But, for me, as soon as it goes 1-1 he has to make changes.

How we were unlucky to go a goal behind?

We can’t even follow a runner from a simple freekick - then the keeper decides to nearly kneel down to make himself as small as possible. Schoolboy defending.

[chrisski33]

Think its the board and owners that are out of their depths tbh

[JohnM1875]

How we were unlucky to go a goal behind?

We can’t even follow a runner from a simple freekick - then the keeper decides to nearly kneel down to make himself as small as possible. Schoolboy defending.

We were unlucky because Motherwell did **** all up to that point, all this despite having the 'best player outside the old firm' in their team apparently.

[JJP]

The fans will undoubtedly turn on Gray soon as results have not been good enough. The board need to stand by their man for a change and ignore the noise and stick to the plan. Performances are improved this season and our luck will turn soon as long as the team don’t start feeling sorry for themselves.

[matty_f]

Isn't that every manager/coach in the world though?

We were unlucky to go a goal behind. But, for me, as soon as it goes 1-1 he has to make changes.

No, not really. Last season we were humpty because the manager had us playing a wholly ineffective style of football. We were piss-poor.

I think there are times when it’s clear the manager is the issue and others when you can see the set up is fine etc but we make basic mistakes.

I’m not absolving Gray of blame, but he’s being let down by brain-farts and incompetence at key moments at the minute.

[JohnM1875]

No, not really. Last season we were humpty because the manager had us playing a wholly ineffective style of football. We were piss-poor.

I think there are times when it’s clear the manager is the issue and others when you can see the set up is fine etc but we make basic mistakes.

I’m not absolving Gray of blame, but he’s being let down by brain-farts and incompetence at key moments at the minute.

We have five points from seven games, Matty. We're piss-poor now.

There were plenty games under Monty were you could argue we were let down by brain farts, last minute equalisers out the wazoo.

I ****ing love him, but I'm starting to really worry about Gray.

[Chorley Hibee]

The fans will undoubtedly turn on Gray soon as results have not been good enough. The board need to stand by their man for a change and ignore the noise and stick to the plan. Performances are improved this season and our luck will turn soon as long as the team don’t start feeling sorry for themselves.

I'm amazed that people still believe there's a 'plan'.

It should be abundantly clear by now that the owners and the board are completely clueless, and they're throwing bucket loads of ***** around in the hope that some of it eventually sticks.

It's time they were driven out.

[Fergos]

I'm amazed that people still believe there's a 'plan'.

It should be abundantly clear by now that the owners and the board are completely clueless, and they're throwing bucket loads of ***** around in the hope that some of it eventually sticks.

It's time they were driven out.

This 100%

[Criswell]

There is always the possibility that if results don't improve he may walk.

[Murphys Touch]

We needed/need new powerful voice in the changing room.

We’ve got a back room staff who have (in the main) all been here for numerous years of failure, playing players responsible for numerous years of failure!

What did everyone expect really. Great comment from DH that we are “3pts off 6th”.

Brutal reality of what is now acceptable

[Not In The Know]

A managerial rookie. I said as soon as he was appointed he'd get the first round of fixtures before I even contemplated judgement. He needs our unwavering support.

The last thing we needed was a rookie manager.

Could SDG be a good manger, I’d say yeah he MIGHT be.

We don’t need a might be.

[Murphys Touch]

The last thing we needed was a rookie manager.

Could SDG be a good manger, I’d say yeah he MIGHT be.

We don’t need a might be.

100%

Arguably got a yes man for the quadrant of power

[NC1875]

Again if the BK want to make the decisions they should pony up and buy a controlling interest in Hibs, it was always clear the Gordons would have the final say as the owners. Who knows what the BK's suggested to Hibs?

Bringing in people on the football side with experience of Scottish Football after years of not doing that made sense to most people.

No, bringing in a manager with experience of Scottish football made sense. We gave the job to a novice. And it’s showing

[The Harp Awakes]

There is always the possibility that if results don't improve he may walk.

I sit 10 yards behind the Hibs dugout and body language is a big thing. DG looks to me as if he doesn't want to be there.

He made a comment after the St Johnstone win that he will sleep tonight.

I can see him walking sooner rather than later.

[K-Zazu]

I don’t know what the atmosphere is like at HTC during the week, but having players like Kenneh, JDH, Amos etc being involved in training knowing they won’t be part of the match day squads can’t be a good thing. Players picking up decent money for doing absolutely heehaw. The summer of 2025 really can’t come quick enough for this lot.

[The Modfather]

Again if the BK want to make the decisions they should pony up and buy a controlling interest in Hibs, it was always clear the Gordons would have the final say as the owners. Who knows what the BK's suggested to Hibs?

Bringing in people on the football side with experience of Scottish Football after years of not doing that made sense to most people.

Bringing in people with experience of Scottish football made sense. Bringing in in Gray, Mackay and Marshall and who had no experience of the jobs they were appointed for, and conveniently didn’t cost compensation, made less sense.

[Carheenlea]

David Gray doesn’t look like he’s enjoying the role, or certainly what we fans see on a match day.

I know his persona was never one of a fun and giggles type and his approach was always straight out professionalism.

Behind that guard he may well be enjoying the challenge, but it just doesn’t look that way for me. We all want this to work and having such a popular club character with legendary status in the role makes criticism difficult.

[we are hibs]

I think if SDG gets sacked there will be protests for Kensell and the Gordons to goPeople have said this multiple times over the last few years.


Nothing ever happens. They get away with it every single time.



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[Alfred E Newman]

I'm amazed that people still believe there's a 'plan'.

It should be abundantly clear by now that the owners and the board are completely clueless, and they're throwing bucket loads of ***** around in the hope that some of it eventually sticks.

It's time they were driven out.

You beat me to it. We change managers like the weather yet there is still no sign that we are close to being a regular top six club.
If there is a plan I'd like to know exactly what it is as we now look as we are heading into a three horse race to the bottom.
It's not Grays fault , the only thing you could blame him for was accepting the job in the first place. The blame falls squarely on the management who are steadily running this club into the ground.

[hibee-boys]

You can’t land the blame playing Campbell and Cadden on the board, that’s on Gray and his yes men assistants. I do blame the board in appointing another rookie manager who, at the very least, should’ve been offered the job on the condition an experienced assistant manager came on. But no, cheap option once again and a coaching team with less than a dozen management games between them.

[Alfred E Newman]

You can’t land the blame playing Campbell and Cadden on the board, that’s on Gray and his yes men assistants. I do blame the board in appointing another rookie manager who, at the very least, should’ve been offered the job on the condition an experienced assistant manager came on. But no, cheap option once again and a coaching team with less than a dozen management games between them.

It would be great if it was just as simple as replacing a couple of players. Unfortunately the squad is absolutely rank.

[Murphys Touch]

It would be great if it was just as simple as replacing a couple of players. Unfortunately the squad is absolutely rank.

Yes, I agree but Gray really needs to watch himself as we, as fans, not only watch Hibs every week but also the teams we play against.

I see teams better set up than us, flexible during games, battling qualities and managers getting the best out of squads assembled more cheaply than ours.

Aberdeen’s gaffer has came in and changed the whole energy of the place while improving players who were failures in the last few years. Robinson at St Mirren, Kettlewell at Motherwell, McInnes at Killie get strong motivated/organised teams. Doherty at Dundee just helped get his captain a DREAM move

Can we honestly turned round and say this coaching team (albeit “new” although Gray/May have been here before) have improved any player in terms of confidence, motivating, tactically or technically. I can’t

We need to hope Hearts and new boy at St Johnstone don’t get extra 5/10% out their players or we are in trouble

[Onion]

People have said this multiple times over the last few years.


Nothing ever happens. They get away with it every single time.



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Correct, nothing will happen. Leaving the game yesterday, the lack of animated discussion and complaints from fans was worrying. Apathy and resignation appears to have set in. Hibs fans just don't care that much.

[B.H.F.C]

Correct, nothing will happen. Leaving the game yesterday, the lack of animated discussion and complaints from fans was worrying. Apathy and resignation appears to have set in. Hibs fans just don't care that much.

Said similar. There was a wee bit booing but nothing major, there was very little reaction. I think part of that is because Gray is in charge and I still think that is part of the reason he is in charge.

[JimBHibees]

Some of the chat here is so poor.

[Ronniekirk]

The Honeymoon period is over and we are sitting 10 th in the league
Its results that are needed , my worry has alway been if a rookie manager gets us stuck near the bottom of the league it makes it harder for everyone involved Home defeats to teams we are competing for top six place do nothing for morale
It also places pressure on us for the next game we play
Gray had time to work with the players in last few weeks so defeat yesterday was last thing we needed

[Coco Bryce]

Some of the chat here is so poor.

Our board, management, players and league position are all poor.

What sort of chat you expecting?

[JimBHibees]

Our board, management, players and league position are all poor.

What sort of chat you expecting?

Very disrespectful to Gray imo.

[BoomtownHibees]

Very disrespectful to Gray imo.

It’s going to get a lot lot worse if this form continues and he keeps picking the same ***** that everyone can see isn’t good enough

[Coco Bryce]

I'm not talking about Gray as a footballer. I'm talking about him as a manager. He's out of his depth.
A rookie manager makes mistakes and learns from them. His team selections and formations are baffling.

This is Sauzee 2.0

[Crab apple]

We have five points from seven games, Matty. We're piss-poor now.

There were plenty games under Monty were you could argue we were let down by brain farts, last minute equalisers out the wazoo.

I ****ing love him, but I'm starting to really worry about Gray.

Starting Cadden in the role he did was a mistake. Triantis, good player that he is, was a red card waiting to happen after the early booking. And it seemed to take an age to make the subs after the sending off. Gray needs to learn quickly.

[DIXIHIBS]

There's a real malaise about the club and it's been there for a few years now. For example yesterday when Motherwell scored their 2nd with 10/15 minutes still to go there was an exodus... understandable as we've seen the same scenario so many times. Other teams seem to have a better 'togetherness' with the fans. Compare that to Killie yesterday...2 down with 10 to play...the team rolled up their sleeves and won 3-2. That doesn't happen with us. The mentality is all wrong. That is one thing I thought Gray would be able to address but nothing has really changed. I'm still hopeful he can change things but our reaction to adversity has to improve...quickly.

[GreenCastle]

Yes, I agree but Gray really needs to watch himself as we, as fans, not only watch Hibs every week but also the teams we play against.

I see teams better set up than us, flexible during games, battling qualities and managers getting the best out of squads assembled more cheaply than ours.

Aberdeen’s gaffer has came in and changed the whole energy of the place while improving players who were failures in the last few years. Robinson at St Mirren, Kettlewell at Motherwell, McInnes at Killie get strong motivated/organised teams. Doherty at Dundee just helped get his captain a DREAM move

Can we honestly turned round and say this coaching team (albeit “new” although Gray/May have been here before) have improved any player in terms of confidence, motivating, tactically or technically. I can’t

We need to hope Hearts and new boy at St Johnstone don’t get extra 5/10% out their players or we are in trouble

Good post.

Junior has come in after being out injured for 2 months and looked our best player.

Keeper - not sure he’s improved - one save at Ibrox and mostly routine catches. Still not convinced he’s better than Marshall.

Miller - can’t defend 1v1 as he doesn’t turn quick enough.

Centre backs - some decent moments but still at fault earlier on in season for goals - 2nd half yesterday zero leadership and fell apart.

Obita - like Miller can’t defend 1v1 as never gets close enough and his crossing has been awful. He allows too many opposition wingers a chance to cross or go past him inside 1v1.

Kwon and Triantis - have been fine but moments like the red card yesterday are poor discipline from the player on a yellow when the game is close.

Cadden - not a starter - not a defender and not quick enough or good enough in final 3rd.

Junior - best player - shame we didn’t get him last season as age not on his side.

Myko - done ok but was never prolific - moments like last week he should be scoring.

Campbell - same old - huff and puffing but not much end product - at fault for the goal yesterday with school boy defending.

Rudi - shown promise but still a bit off the required level we need.

Newell - captain - played 5 league games and not even sure if he’s played well in any of them. Yes he scored but not many other moments. Assume he was playing with an injury.

Boyle and Newell - no idea why both players didn’t get injuries sorted earlier - this is a crucial time for us and having both unavailable isn’t ideal.

The bench apart from Gayle is just a mix of guys who don’t want to be here and guys who haven’t exactly played well previously - every time we make subs we look worse.

[hibsbollah]

I'm not talking about Gray as a footballer. I'm talking about him as a manager. He's out of his depth.
A rookie manager makes mistakes and learns from them. His team selections and formations are baffling.

This is Sauzee 2.0

4 months is already twice as long as Sauzee was afforded. In 12 games this season (i think) we’ve only managed to beat a hapless St Johnstone and 3 lower league teams. After the better performance last week its a kick in the teeth to still not have had a decent win under him.

[1875M]

If this was LJ or NM (who are both better managers btw), there would be calls for them to be sacked. Gray is not immune to criticism. Legend, yes. But he still needs to deliver, which he’s not. 1 league win out of 7. No clear style or identity. Average signings. If he loses the next 2, which is entirely possible, pressure will be on and rightly so.

[Weir07]

Correct, nothing will happen. Leaving the game yesterday, the lack of animated discussion and complaints from fans was worrying. Apathy and resignation appears to have set in. Hibs fans just don't care that much.

Yep, can see that in myself, used to be gutted about defeats, didn't feel anything yesterday, just got used to mediocre to poor performances with similar results. Sees an age since Jack Ross steered us to third with a sprinkling of Hampden trips. An abject period in our history with poor managerial appointments and even worse recruitment.

As tough as it is, I think we have to be patient with Gray/McKay and use the next two windows to ship out more of the deadwood and bring in a couple of decent players.

Think this season is just about survival in the league.

[MWHIBBIES]

Don't think Gray has us playing badly tbh. Maybe just me.

[Trinity Hibee]

Correct, nothing will happen. Leaving the game yesterday, the lack of animated discussion and complaints from fans was worrying. Apathy and resignation appears to have set in. Hibs fans just don't care that much.

Even on here it seems tame compared to the last few months after defeats. A lot of fans are scunnered

[Callum_62]

Why would we demand patience with David Gray over any other manager we have had

Gray is an absolute novice - a legend for scoring that goal of course but being real, that means nothing for where he is now

We've had about 1.5 decent games so far 7 games into the league

Yes, we can all point to moments that we were "unlucky" etc but at the end of the day that all falls back into the head coach

I can't see a particular style of play or identity

We are not particularly good in possession- our game plan seems to be give Hoilett the ball and hope he does something

For me Gray and the club are now in massive trouble and im usually advocating for managers to get longer in the job

I won't be surprised at all if we head into november in 12th place

Going to tannadice is a hard game and we could easily lose that

Hearts at home, at anytime we struggle but they will also have a new manager in for that too

If we go into November in last place is there still justification for keeping the head coach in place?

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[Viva_Palmeiras]

If this was LJ or NM (who are both better managers btw), there would be calls for them to be sacked. Gray is not immune to criticism. Legend, yes. But he still needs to deliver, which he’s not. 1 league win out of 7. No clear style or identity. Average signings. If he loses the next 2, which is entirely possible, pressure will be on and rightly so.

Would you rather be stuck to a ridgid Maloney or a ridgid Monty so that you could tick off style and identity? He’s on record for saying he’s going to mix it up based on the opposition.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't think Gray has us playing badly tbh. Maybe just me.

I think there’s spells in games where we’re not playing badly. There’s also spells that we are playing badly though and we manage to make sure we don’t do enough when we’re not playing badly but then give away goals when we are. It’s a recipe for disaster.

[The Modfather]

Would you rather be stuck to a ridgid Maloney or a ridgid Monty so that you could tick off style and identity? He’s on record for saying he’s going to mix it up based on the opposition.

Talk is the easy bit. Playing Campbell and Cadden in a game we won’t have the ball makes sense. Playing both in a game we need to be on the front foot and open a team up doesn’t.

We played 7 defence minded players yesterday, and two attack minded players in Hoillet & Myko. Plus wherever Campbell fits. At home to Motherwell. That’s the kind of common failing we’ve seen going back to Maloney. All of which Gray has seen first hand.

[erin go bragh]

One up top without Boyle or Ellie doesn't work and thats last season Ellie btw.
Appointing Gray who had a handful of games as a coach was a terrible decision as we were crying out for an experienced coach

[Real Emerald]

Talk is the easy bit. Playing Campbell and Cadden in a game we won’t have the ball makes sense. Playing both in a game we need to be on the front foot and open a team up doesn’t.

That’s exactly how I see it. I could definitely get why he played that team at Ibrox and apart from a bit of misfortune/bad decisions it just about worked. Playing the same team versus Motherwell at home was a mistake. I also thought his substitutions yesterday were mistakes.

We cant afford to have managers on the first rung of the ladder at Hibs, especially in the position we were in after last season. Managers will make mistakes and learn from them but Hibs really shouldn’t be a first stage managers learning school.

[PPZPOL]

Would you rather be stuck to a ridgid Maloney or a ridgid Monty so that you could tick off style and identity? He’s on record for saying he’s going to mix it up based on the opposition.

Mixing it with up each game is fine, but at the moment all it looks like is different ways to lose or draw games. FWIW I’ve been disappointed with the way we have set up, especially at home, so far this season, if that is the “horses for courses” we are expecting then I don’t really understand it.

We literally just set up the same at home to Motherwell as away at Ibrox last week. You’re not telling me those 2 games are the same.

[heretoday]

One up top without Boyle or Ellie doesn't work and thats last season Ellie btw.
Appointing Gray who had a handful of games as a coach was a terrible decision as we were crying out for an experienced coach

I agree.

[Jones28]

Some of the chat here is so poor.

It really is dreadful sometimes.

Yes men assistants? Jeez man.

[theonlywayisup]

Don't think Gray has us playing badly tbh. Maybe just me.

Agree! IMO, he's improved us defensively, albeit still needs an improvement, especially at full back. However, we've little creativity.

IMO, he's trying his best with a poor squad. As others have said, whenever we bring on subs, we invariably get worse.

It's going to be a massive clear next season and I think SDG is only caretaker until the rebuild in Summer 2025.

[hibsbollah]

Agree! IMO, he's improved us defensively, albeit still needs an improvement, especially at full back. However, we've little creativity.

IMO, he's trying his best with a poor squad. As others have said, whenever we bring on subs, we invariably get worse.

It's going to be a massive clear next season and I think SDG is only caretaker until the rebuild in Summer 2025.

I was reasonably happy with Grays appointment. However results have been disappointing and its fair to discuss his role in that, as well as the subs and overall shape and style of play at this point.

[hibeerealist]

That’s exactly how I see it. I could definitely get why he played that team at Ibrox and apart from a bit of misfortune/bad decisions it just about worked. Playing the same team versus Motherwell at home was a mistake. I also thought his substitutions yesterday were mistakes.

We cant afford to have managers on the first rung of the ladder at Hibs, especially in the position we were in after last season. Managers will make mistakes and learn from them but Hibs really shouldn’t be a first stage managers learning school.


This, just common sense.

[Since452]

Don't think Gray has us playing badly tbh. Maybe just me.

The actual football is night and day to the guff our last manager had us playing. We create plenty under Gray and are quite enjoyable to watch at times. Failing to take our chances is asking for trouble though.

[Pretty Boy]

Agree! IMO, he's improved us defensively, albeit still needs an improvement, especially at full back. However, we've little creativity.

IMO, he's trying his best with a poor squad. As others have said, whenever we bring on subs, we invariably get worse.

It's going to be a massive clear next season and I think SDG is only caretaker until the rebuild in Summer 2025.

With the best will in the world we signed 12 players in the summer, paying a fee for 2 of those, shipped out 9 permanently and a further 12 on loan. This is a squad that Gray helped build and one of the defences of the club hierarchy thus far has been our supposed improved recruitment. If the squad is poor then Gray is somewhat culpable for that, if it's actually an improved squad then Gray is somewhat culpable for it underperforming.

I don't think we look all that much better defensively. We are still leaking goals from hopeful balls into the box with regularity. Against St Johnstone they took 3 short corners early in the game and every time our players didn't have a clue who was supposed to go out and cover them. There was a lot of pointing and arguing but no one actually seemed to know who's job it was. That is basics. It should be coached but if it's not I don't get why one of our many experienced players isn't taking responsibility and just sorting it after the first time it happened.

I agree with you that it's still a very poor squad, which begs a whole load of questions. I also agree Gray has very much being put in place to buy the hierarchy a bit of time with the latest reset (is this the 4th or 5th in 4 years?). Equally though I don't think it's close to good enough on the park and the manager and players have to take some responsibility for that. We leak soft goals, we look flat and toothless for long spells and it's unbearably dull for long periods. I'd describe it as pretty simplistic football, good managers will figure it out very quickly and find ways to beat us.

[Liam89]

The actual football is night and day to the guff our last manager had us playing. We create plenty under Gray and are quite enjoyable to watch at times. Failing to take our chances is asking for trouble though.

Agreed! Are the ones complaining actually watching our games or just blinkered with rage about last season?

I enjoyed yesterday’s game, thought we competed well and played some nice stuff just needed to be more clinical and stronger with 10 men.

[Ozyhibby]

I was 100% monty out

I’m 100% backing gray

I’d have backed any manager, to be honest we’re at a point where it’s not the manager it’s the recruitment, owners, mentality, whatever you want to call it.


We’re no where near calling for gray to go.

Owners, Kensell, recruitment team to go at long before we get to gray.

Recruitement seems better this season? We have a squad which is massively under performing. That’s on Gray.


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[we are hibs]

There's not actually much to suggest we are playing any better now than under Monty btw


We play well in short bursts, as we did under Monty. But the majority of the games are one paced, tedious football with too many players taking too many touches.

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[JimBHibees]

Agreed! Are the ones complaining actually watching our games or just blinkered with rage about last season?

I enjoyed yesterday’s game, thought we competed well and played some nice stuff just needed to be more clinical and stronger with 10 men.

Thought we were pretty good first half. Motherwell changed it half time and then got on top. First goal is schoolboy stuff but sharp play from them. Don’t know why no one in that area to stop the ball getting played through. Straight pass to the edge of our 6 yard box. Looked shaky second half whenever ball played in high for a team of big guys we look unable to win the ball in the air neither of Miller and Cadden can head the ball or even attack it. Long throw in landing on six yard line with no defenders there or goalie coming for it was again schoolboy stuff.

[JimBHibees]

Agree! IMO, he's improved us defensively, albeit still needs an improvement, especially at full back. However, we've little creativity.

IMO, he's trying his best with a poor squad. As others have said, whenever we bring on subs, we invariably get worse.

It's going to be a massive clear next season and I think SDG is only caretaker until the rebuild in Summer 2025.

Bit of a shout to say he has improved us defensively how shambolic we looked second half yesterday.

[B.H.F.C]

There's not actually much to suggest we are playing any better now than under Monty btw


We play well in short bursts, as we did under Monty. But the majority of the games are one paced, tedious football with too many players taking too many touches.

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Agree with this. Are any of the issues from last season really any better now? Potentially slightly stronger in the middle of the park. But we are weak defensively and don’t score enough goals. That’s the kind of combination that gets you in to trouble.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

Yes, I agree but Gray really needs to watch himself as we, as fans, not only watch Hibs every week but also the teams we play against.

I see teams better set up than us, flexible during games, battling qualities and managers getting the best out of squads assembled more cheaply than ours.

Aberdeen’s gaffer has came in and changed the whole energy of the place while improving players who were failures in the last few years. Robinson at St Mirren, Kettlewell at Motherwell, McInnes at Killie get strong motivated/organised teams. Doherty at Dundee just helped get his captain a DREAM move

Can we honestly turned round and say this coaching team (albeit “new” although Gray/May have been here before) have improved any player in terms of confidence, motivating, tactically or technically. I can’t

We need to hope Hearts and new boy at St Johnstone don’t get extra 5/10% out their players or we are in trouble

You could argue that Motherwell are now seeing the rewards after sticking with Kettlewell. They were pretty humpty last year so could easily have sacked him. We’ve appointed Gray so we need to stick with him.

Talk of top 4 and Europe needs to end. Our aim this season is to avoid relegation.

Seems crazy after only 7 games but the whole preseason all we heard from the club was “next summer” “contracts finally end” blah blah blah so I think the club are thinking this too!

[DH1875]

He's here and he has my backing but Hibs should never be a rookie managers first job. Club legend or not.

[coldingham hibs]

With the best will in the world we signed 12 players in the summer, paying a fee for 2 of those, shipped out 9 permanently and a further 12 on loan. This is a squad that Gray helped build and one of the defences of the club hierarchy thus far has been our supposed improved recruitment. If the squad is poor then Gray is somewhat culpable for that, if it's actually an improved squad then Gray is somewhat culpable for it underperforming.

I don't think we look all that much better defensively. We are still leaking goals from hopeful balls into the box with regularity. Against St Johnstone they took 3 short corners early in the game and every time our players didn't have a clue who was supposed to go out and cover them. There was a lot of pointing and arguing but no one actually seemed to know who's job it was. That is basics. It should be coached but if it's not I don't get why one of our many experienced players isn't taking responsibility and just sorting it after the first time it happened.

I agree with you that it's still a very poor squad, which begs a whole load of questions. I also agree Gray has very much being put in place to buy the hierarchy a bit of time with the latest reset (is this the 4th or 5th in 4 years?). Equally though I don't think it's close to good enough on the park and the manager and players have to take some responsibility for that. We leak soft goals, we look flat and toothless for long spells and it's unbearably dull for long periods. I'd describe it as pretty simplistic football, good managers will figure it out very quickly and find ways to beat us.

Agree with a lot of what you say, I don’t think we have a poor squad, especially compared to the teams that we seem unable to beat. Looking at the Motherwell team I would only take Miller from their squad. What we have is a lot of loan players who don’t have a commitment to the club and for some reason an inexcusable inability to drop players (Campbell & Cadden spring instantly to mind). We needed a new manager who had a sound reputation of tactics & motivation but we chose the cheapest option. I’ve mentioned before the fact that Gray stands, hands in pockets looking total uninspiring on the touch line. I want to see passion & drive from a manager.

[GreenCastle]

Agree with this. Are any of the issues from last season really any better now? Potentially slightly stronger in the middle of the park. But we are weak defensively and don’t score enough goals. That’s the kind of combination that gets you in to trouble.

I kept saying it in the transfer window..

Take out Myziane and Youan goals and assist and we were going to struggle to score.

A new gk and centre backs with undroppable full backs and we will continue to concede cheap goals.

[B.H.F.C]

I kept saying it in the transfer window..

Take out Myziane and Youan goals and assist and we were going to struggle to score.

A new gk and centre backs with undroppable full backs and we will continue to concede cheap goals.

The one thing I will say about the forward areas is that we’ve been a bit unlucky and it’s been a bit stop start. Bowie has obviously been injured, Boyle has now missed a couple of games, Youan has been injured.

I have less sympathy with having to get players up to speed in Hoilett, Myko and Gayle. That comes back to how you do your recruitment.

He’s going to need to look to get more of them on the park at the same time after the break. If he does that then I think the goals will come, I’m far less convinced that we’ll suddenly tighten up defensively though.

[McGruber]

Bit of a shout to say he has improved us defensively how shambolic we looked second half yesterday.

When you consider the Motherwell long throw was identified pre match as one of their biggest threats and is something specifically worked on, then to lose the game on a long throw that is tapped in, uncontested, 6 yards from goal without even bouncing. Inexcusable

[flash]

I actually thought the defence were fine yesterday and the problem was a midfield who looked like they had never seen a ball before.

Both goals caused by midfielders not staying with their man too.

[blackpoolhibs]

Said similar. There was a wee bit booing but nothing major, there was very little reaction. I think part of that is because Gray is in charge and I still think that is part of the reason he is in charge.

And those in charge know this, cowards covering their own erses. These cowards need to sell up and GTF out our club.

The Gordons will relegate us and put us back decades.

[McGruber]

Talk is the easy bit. Playing Campbell and Cadden in a game we won’t have the ball makes sense. Playing both in a game we need to be on the front foot and open a team up doesn’t.

We played 7 defence minded players yesterday, and two attack minded players in Hoillet & Myko. Plus wherever Campbell fits. At home to Motherwell. That’s the kind of common failing we’ve seen going back to Maloney. All of which Gray has seen first hand.


One up top without Boyle or Ellie doesn't work and thats last season Ellie btw.
Appointing Gray who had a handful of games as a coach was a terrible decision as we were crying out for an experienced coach

Agree with these comments.

Seems like the actions of a rookie manager, played well previously week so same again next time out. Gray has spoken about plan A,B & C and horses for courses but don't know if the fear of changing it takes over.

Should never have been the same team when it was going to be us with the ball and Motherwell the team playing the low block.

Without Boyle and in form Youan wide together with that creative player central we were in danger of finding scoring hard to come by. Whether we went 3 at the back with 2 up top or got somebody in beside Myko in a different formation - got Rudi back in. Either way should have changed it up to get more on the front foot.

It's not fatal for Gray, but he has to learn and fast. It's a results business and we are headed toward the bottom of the pile. Somebody mentioned he has us playing pretty well - he has played us into 10th as it stands.

[Tambo]

We've played well in spells during league games this season but overall it's been yet again very inconsistent and still giving away sloppy goals.

I just fear that we're going to be relying on Boyle and Hoilett to drag us through to January.

If we don't win a game in October then I think more fans will be calling for his head as some already think he's out his depth.

[McGruber]

I actually thought the defence were fine yesterday and the problem was a midfield who looked like they had never seen a ball before.

Both goals caused by midfielders not staying with their man too.

For the long throw, that is horrendous defending. Kwon loses his man yes and is at fault but more wrong than that and how there can be a gaping hole 6 yards from the centre of goal for anyone to run into, tracked or not is incredible. We have a number of big defenders and we knew exactly where it was getting shelled.

[Smartie]

It’s going to get a lot lot worse if this form continues and he keeps picking the same ***** that everyone can see isn’t good enough

Problem is, he can either pick the ***** he picked, or he can pick the ***** he had good reason not to pick.

Not defending the performance yesterday but there was logic behind his selection coming off a good performance at Ibrox.

Fair criticisms can be made of the changes he did choose to make but none of us know how alternative changes would have affected the game, had he made them.

As poor as we were, we were still in the game and had reason to hope to go on and win until the red card. Yesterday was on Triantis more than Gray for me.

[flash]

For the long throw, that is horrendous defending. Kwon loses his man yes and is at fault but more wrong than that and how there can be a gaping hole 6 yards from the centre of goal for anyone to run into, tracked or not is incredible. We have a number of big defenders and we knew exactly where it was getting shelled.

Naw it was all on Kwon. Watch the highlights he just switches off.

[B.H.F.C]

Naw it was all on Kwon. Watch the highlights he just switches off.

I agree with the other poster. Kwon makes the error in letting Halliday go but there’s more to it than that IMO. When you see it back, there shouldn’t be a big space like that for him to run in to right in the middle of the goals. There has to be an issue with the set up to leave that space in the first place. Terrible goal to lose really and it summed up the total lack of organisation and leadership that was very apparent as soon as we went down to 10.

[One Day Soon]

The one thing I will say about the forward areas is that we’ve been a bit unlucky and it’s been a bit stop start. Bowie has obviously been injured, Boyle has now missed a couple of games, Youan has been injured.

I have less sympathy with having to get players up to speed in Hoilett, Myko and Gayle. That comes back to how you do your recruitment.

He’s going to need to look to get more of them on the park at the same time after the break. If he does that then I think the goals will come, I’m far less convinced that we’ll suddenly tighten up defensively though.


What was Bowie's injury record like before coming to us?

[Callum_62]

Problem is, he can either pick the ***** he picked, or he can pick the ***** he had good reason not to pick.

Not defending the performance yesterday but there was logic behind his selection coming off a good performance at Ibrox.

Fair criticisms can be made of the changes he did choose to make but none of us know how alternative changes would have affected the game, had he made them.

As poor as we were, we were still in the game and had reason to hope to go on and win until the red card. Yesterday was on Triantis more than Gray for me.Triantis 2nd yellow was a bad decision but for the next 5 mins we were all over the shop

Who can say but I think having a naive inexperienced coaching team is showing itself on the park too

Motherwell seen out 6 mins of Inj time playing about 2 minutes of actual in play time

We just donyt seem to be streetwise enough to do the same

Guaranteed if we were 2-1 up in Inj time it would have been panic kick and rush football

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[blackpoolhibs]

Triantis 2nd yellow was a bad decision but for the next 5 mins we were all over the shop

Who can say but I think having a naive inexperienced coaching team is showing itself on the park too

Motherwell seen out 6 mins of Inj time playing about 2 minutes of actual in play time

We just donyt seem to be streetwise enough to do the same

Guaranteed if we were 2-1 up in Inj time it would have been panic kick and rush football

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Some of our support dont actually like that, they call it strangling the life out of the game, and not good enough for the mighty Hibs.

[McGruber]

Naw it was all on Kwon. Watch the highlights he just switches off.

Kwon switches off, loses his man and is at fault.
Bursik stuck to his line ball comes in 6 yards out at fault.
Huge gap in the middle of the goal before Halliday runs into it, poor collective defensive set up.
2 massive centre backs and neither take it upon themselves to go win the header. It's not even flicked on.
Whole thing was a mess

[B.H.F.C]

What was Bowie's injury record like before coming to us?

He’s just turned 22 and has 130 odd senior appearances. Played 40 and 45 games in the last two seasons. So can’t have been too bad.

[kentao]

Agree with these comments.

Seems like the actions of a rookie manager, played well previously week so same again next time out. Gray has spoken about plan A,B & C and horses for courses but don't know if the fear of changing it takes over.

Should never have been the same team when it was going to be us with the ball and Motherwell the team playing the low block.

Without Boyle and in form Youan wide together with that creative player central we were in danger of finding scoring hard to come by. Whether we went 3 at the back with 2 up top or got somebody in beside Myko in a different formation - got Rudi back in. Either way should have changed it up to get more on the front foot.

It's not fatal for Gray, but he has to learn and fast. It's a results business and we are headed toward the bottom of the pile. Somebody mentioned he has us playing pretty well - he has played us into 10th as it stands.

Lots of comments on shouldn't have been the same team, Gray should have made changes earlier to take the game to them, Gray showing his inexperience and naivety but really what would you have all changed?

Without Newell and Boyle the bench is pretty poor and would only make us worse, Youan is the only player that could be considered an upgrade but he's shown nothing this season that he wants to be here or he's willing to become a team player. Currently we have no upgrades for the likes of Miller Cadden and Campbell so will have to wait on injured players returning or look to address the weakness in Jan.

[Smartie]

I actually thought the defence were fine yesterday and the problem was a midfield who looked like they had never seen a ball before.

Both goals caused by midfielders not staying with their man too.

I think more of the issue is in the final third.

Gray does look to have toughened us up a bit but there’s no doubt we’re a bit “workmanlike” at the moment. Being without Boyle and Bowie is significant, arguably Newell too will affect this area and having Youan out of sorts when he could / should be first pick standard is massively frustrating.

Overall though, whilst acknowledge the results are nowhere near good enough I don’t think it’s as doom and gloom as some seem to think.

Unacceptable performance and result yesterday though, which should always bring about some soul-searching.

[One Day Soon]

He’s just turned 22 and has 130 odd senior appearances. Played 40 and 45 games in the last two seasons. So can’t have been too bad.

I thought I'd read that he had a serious injury just before we signed him but perhaps I'm just imagining that.

[GreenCastle]

Naw it was all on Kwon. Watch the highlights he just switches off.

I would be asking why my Centre backs are so far away from goal.

Cadden is standing doing nothing and should be in front of the Well player.

Miller then behind him and the Centre backs not getting dragged out the 6 yard box.

Runners were followed again but a good centre back reads the danger.

[B.H.F.C]

I thought I'd read that he had a serious injury just before we signed him but perhaps I'm just imagining that.

He did have an injury but that’s different to having a bad injury record.

[Keepthefaith]

You could argue that Motherwell are now seeing the rewards after sticking with Kettlewell. They were pretty humpty last year so could easily have sacked him. We’ve appointed Gray so we need to stick with him.

Talk of top 4 and Europe needs to end. Our aim this season is to avoid relegation.

Seems crazy after only 7 games but the whole preseason all we heard from the club was “next summer” “contracts finally end” blah blah blah so I think the club are thinking this too!

Calm down a bit eh? We're 3 points off 6th with a game in hand despite the awful start to the season and injuries. If myks or caddens headers/shots go in I've no doubt we'd be reflecting on a good win.

I'm not pretending everything is perfect it's clearly not but a little less drama is needed. FWIW I think Gray should have hooked cadden and triantis second half earlier on and I'd have brought you an on as the game was crying out for some pace given boyles absence too.

It's not a disaster but it's hugely disappointing not least because the little bit of positivity we were starting to build with the support disintegrates, as seen by the posts here...

[we are hibs]

Ah the "we're only X amount of points off 3rd/top 6" has started early this season..

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[Coco Bryce]

Calm down a bit eh? We're 3 points off 6th with a game in hand despite the awful start to the season and injuries. If myks or caddens headers/shots go in I've no doubt we'd be reflecting on a good win.

I'm not pretending everything is perfect it's clearly not but a little less drama is needed. FWIW I think Gray should have hooked cadden and triantis second half earlier on and I'd have brought you an on as the game was crying out for some pace given boyles absence too.

It's not a disaster but it's hugely disappointing not least because the little bit of positivity we were starting to build with the support disintegrates, as seen by the posts here...

And 3 points of bottom!

You make it sound like getting into the top six in this league is some sort of success.

It really isn't.

[B.H.F.C]

Calm down a bit eh? We're 3 points off 6th with a game in hand despite the awful start to the season and injuries. If myks or caddens headers/shots go in I've no doubt we'd be reflecting on a good win.

I'm not pretending everything is perfect it's clearly not but a little less drama is needed. FWIW I think Gray should have hooked cadden and triantis second half earlier on and I'd have brought you an on as the game was crying out for some pace given boyles absence too.

It's not a disaster but it's hugely disappointing not least because the little bit of positivity we were starting to build with the support disintegrates, as seen by the posts here...

3 points of 6th eh. How often have we seen posts like this over the last few years. If we just win our game in hand we’ll be in this position or that position. If we just win 2 of the next 3, we’ll make the top 6. Or whatever it may be.

We’ve won 6 of our last 28 league games. That’s no suddenly changing. We’re just not very good.

[One Day Soon]

Calm down a bit eh? We're 3 points off 6th with a game in hand despite the awful start to the season and injuries. If myks or caddens headers/shots go in I've no doubt we'd be reflecting on a good win.

I'm not pretending everything is perfect it's clearly not but a little less drama is needed. FWIW I think Gray should have hooked cadden and triantis second half earlier on and I'd have brought you an on as the game was crying out for some pace given boyles absence too.

It's not a disaster but it's hugely disappointing not least because the little bit of positivity we were starting to build with the support disintegrates, as seen by the posts here...


We don't get to play, we just get to watch. So whose fault is it that the little bit of positivity got trashed yesterday?

[Callum_62]

Ah the "we're only X amount of points off 3rd/top 6" has started early this season..

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkOnly 8 points off third having played a game more

[emoji106]

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[McGruber]

Lots of comments on shouldn't have been the same team, Gray should have made changes earlier to take the game to them, Gray showing his inexperience and naivety but really what would you have all changed?

Without Newell and Boyle the bench is pretty poor and would only make us worse, Youan is the only player that could be considered an upgrade but he's shown nothing this season that he wants to be here or he's willing to become a team player. Currently we have no upgrades for the likes of Miller Cadden and Campbell so will have to wait on injured players returning or look to address the weakness in Jan.

If you are asking me - I'd have had Levitt and Molotnikov starting and possibly Youan (depending on where I thought his head was at). Certainly a more attacking team at home to Motherwell anyway. Off the bench, Gayle on earlier to be aggressive and go win the game - to go on with Myko as a 2, not to swap out for the status quo of one up top. Options limited with Bowie and Boyle out etc but even so, there's plenty ways still to change it up.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm pretty sure i started a thread a few years ago about folk saying we are only (insert number of points) away from Europe.

It was updated weekly, very weekly with points, it never really got better always more.:rolleyes:

[Real Emerald]

Calm down a bit eh? We're 3 points off 6th with a game in hand despite the awful start to the season and injuries. If myks or caddens headers/shots go in I've no doubt we'd be reflecting on a good win.

I'm not pretending everything is perfect it's clearly not but a little less drama is needed. FWIW I think Gray should have hooked cadden and triantis second half earlier on and I'd have brought you an on as the game was crying out for some pace given boyles absence too.

It's not a disaster but it's hugely disappointing not least because the little bit of positivity we were starting to build with the support disintegrates, as seen by the posts here...

It’s not nearly good enough for a club like Hibs to be consistently struggling and clutching at straws. We have had major investment and huge crowds compared to most of this league and bigger budgets. It’s excuse after excuse and if only this if only that, only x points away from top six straw clutching. This isn’t just a blip, it’s been consistent failure season after season.

[Donegal Hibby]

Calm down a bit eh? We're 3 points off 6th with a game in hand despite the awful start to the season and injuries. If myks or caddens headers/shots go in I've no doubt we'd be reflecting on a good win.

I'm not pretending everything is perfect it's clearly not but a little less drama is needed. FWIW I think Gray should have hooked cadden and triantis second half earlier on and I'd have brought you an on as the game was crying out for some pace given boyles absence too.

It's not a disaster but it's hugely disappointing not least because the little bit of positivity we were starting to build with the support disintegrates, as seen by the posts here...

A top six spot and a cup run would still be a decent season and is achievable 👍

[we are hibs]

A top six spot and a cup run would still be a decent season and is achievable [emoji106]Finishing 6th isn't good enough.

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[Ronniekirk]

Only 8 points off third having played a game more

[emoji106]

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We have won one game in the league so far after seven attempts We ain’t getting third or fourth on that form

[GreenCastle]

We aren’t coming 1st / 2nd or 3rd.

So that leaves 4th - 5th or 6th maximum.

Currently 5 points behind 6th and 7 points behind 5th who we play next week.

Yesterday was important as Motherwell gain 3 points and we are even further away from them. They are 8 points ahead currently.

Dundee Utd like Motherwell if they beat us will open a bigger gap.

Not making the top 6 will be another failure and add the list of dud seasons in recent times.

[Keepthefaith]

I totally accept all the replies saying top 6 isn't good enough and perhaps it is a little clutching at straws...I guess I was just trying to add a bit of balance? I agree it's not acceptable but it may be the reality in the context of the squad and injuries.

The thread is about gray being out of his depth, so I'd argue he's not...it was only a week since we were applauding the best performance at ibrox for years based on his approach to that game. He did make errors yesterday I think in playing cadden but he's been hampered by injuries to Boyle and Bowie significantly. We just didn't have the pace needed yesterday imo.

One thing I do like about gray is the way he communicated what he expects re standards. Reaching those standards more consistently is what will define him over the next 5 games.

[Since90+2]

Goalkeeper and middle of the park are nowhere near good enough.

You might pick up a steady but unspectacular keeper in January, harder to improve upon the awful midfield.

We'll be doing well if finish top 6. Pish.

[Donegal Hibby]

Finishing 6th isn't good enough.

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Finishing in the top six ranges from 3rd , 4th , 5th or 6th , third is gone though fourth or fifth is still possibly if we improve , that and a good cup run I’d be happy with and see it as a decent season.

[Hibees1973]

Yes.

Clearly out of his depth so far. 5 points out of 21 is lamentable and relegation form. The kind of record in seven games that got Ross, Maloney, Johnson & Montgomery sacked. Gray should be no different.

Gray needs to start winning games pronto or he will join this list.

No place for sentiment if we continue to be in the bottom 4.

However, our problems go much deeper than Gray.

[JimBHibees]

Gray is out of his depth, and it hurts me to say that, but it's the truth.

However, the only change I want to see at Easter Road is the ownership and the CEO.

They are the root cause of the ****show that's been going on for years.

Until they're gone then nothing will change.

I'll go further and state, right now, that it's only going to get worse.

Your opinion not really the truth. Was getting a lot of praise for last week's game.

[Donegal Hibby]

Your opinion not really the truth. Was getting a lot of praise for last week's game.

It was one of the best performances I’ve seen from a Hibs team there probably for a good few years .

[Callum_62]

It's funny some of the mental gymnastics needed with the "I hope hearts don't sack Naismith as he's abysmal" take to "let's keep going with gray"

We have a very similar record

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[Box 17]

It was one of the best performances I’ve seen from a Hibs team there probably for a good few years .

And we lost.

But back to David Gray. Legendary status as a player, no doubt about that, but his appointment as manager was based purely on sentiment and emotion. At a time when we needed an experienced pair of hands they appointed a rookie.

I said all that at the time and my view has not changed.

[One Day Soon]

And we lost.

But back to David Gray. Legendary status as a player, no doubt about that, but his appointment as manager was based purely on sentiment and emotion. At a time when we needed an experienced pair of hands they appointed a rookie.

I said all that at the time and my view has not changed.


I don't think this is true. I think he was appointed as human Kevlar for the idiots in charge.

[Donegal Hibby]

And we lost.

But back to David Gray. Legendary status as a player, no doubt about that, but his appointment as manager was based purely on sentiment and emotion. At a time when we needed an experienced pair of hands they appointed a rookie.

I said all that at the time and my view has not changed.

Which is what normally happens when we play them .We have lost 4-1 , 3-1 , 3-0 in recent times and that’s with us having home advantage and been absolutely battered 4-0 away …

I’ve probably missed some though over the last few seasons in 12 meetings in the league we have won none with one drawn and 11 defeats .. I really fail to see what you expect from a trip there other than a good performance which is what we got :dunno:

[NAE NOOKIE]

In the last 3 full seasons Hibs have managed an average of just a smidgen over 12 league wins a season under 4 different managers ... if you chuck in our one win this season under our 5th and current manager that's a ( to be kind ) mediocre 38 wins in 121 league games.

If you wan't a cherry on top .... In that time we have played Hearts 12 times ( including cup ties ) and have won just once.

That's not bad luck over a period of so many games in a league where we are the 5th richest club by some distance, not to mention arguably the 4th best supported. That's bordering on a club that's being run incompetently in it's core business .. IE winning football matches and getting fans through the turnstiles.

What part of that record encouraged the folk running this club to hand the singularly most important position at the club to a rookie?

[heretoday]

It's a case of another Hibs legend tarnished by a period in the hot seat. There ought to be a law against it.

[Iain G]

He should get this season as a minimum. Anything less is cowardly from our owners and DoF not backing the project they have set out on.

[Springbank]

Lots of comments on shouldn't have been the same team, Gray should have made changes earlier to take the game to them, Gray showing his inexperience and naivety but really what would you have all changed?

Without Newell and Boyle the bench is pretty poor and would only make us worse, Youan is the only player that could be considered an upgrade but he's shown nothing this season that he wants to be here or he's willing to become a team player. Currently we have no upgrades for the likes of Miller Cadden and Campbell so will have to wait on injured players returning or look to address the weakness in Jan.

Bull ****

He has a good squad & picked the wrong team

Campbell as no10?

That's a relegation choice

You've got Gayle & Rudi & plenty options to stretch the oppisition

Josh Campbell is never that guy & yesterday is on the Manager I'm afraid

[blackpoolhibs]

He should get this season as a minimum. Anything less is cowardly from our owners and DoF not backing the project they have set out on.

I agree, hopefully we get new owners and he see's them off and goes on to be a double legend.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He should get this season as a minimum. Anything less is cowardly from our owners and DoF not backing the project they have set out on.

It was a cowardly appointment clearly aimed at buying them a bit of breathing space as the forefront reason for the appointment rather than appointing the best man for the job.

With that in mind I’ve got little doubt they won’t bat an eye lid at not backing yet another project.

[Donegal Hibby]

It was a cowardly appointment clearly aimed at buying them a bit of breathing space as the forefront reason for the appointment rather than appointing the best man for the job.

With that in mind I’ve got little doubt they won’t bat an eye lid at not backing yet another project.

Gray wanted it!

[Callum_62]

He should get this season as a minimum. Anything less is cowardly from our owners and DoF not backing the project they have set out on.No he should not

If we are near the bottom of the league towards the end of the year he has to go

And that will entirely be on David Gray

Our squad is no where near the bottom of the league level

He needs to start getting results and fast

I think if we lose the next 2 he is on a really sticky wicket



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[Brightside]

He should get this season as a minimum. Anything less is cowardly from our owners and DoF not backing the project they have set out on.

Just like the last project then

[Paulie Walnuts]

Gray wanted it!

He did. He should never have been given it.

[Donegal Hibby]

He did. He should never have been given it.

Why?

[Iain G]

Just like the last project then

And we go round and round again...at some point they and we need to give someone an actual chance to change things and put the team on the right path.