Neil Lennon

[bigwheel]

I cringed at the aeroplane. Imagine if Levein had done something like that during a derby?

I just laughed ... don’t mind the “get it up ye” funnies at football..we give it, we should take it too...

[Peevemor]

I just laughed ... don’t mind the “get it up ye” funnies at football..we give it, we should take it too...

I probably would have laughed had he stayed off the pitch.

[bigwheel]

I probably would have laughed had he stayed off the pitch.

I did laugh and shake my head in disbelief a little too .. [emoji2]

[Northernhibee]

I cringed at the aeroplane. Imagine if Levein had done something like that during a derby?

It would have been something if it was for an event that had won a game, both times he was celebrating us drawing.

“Natural born winner.”

[Pagan Hibernia]

I cringed at the aeroplane. Imagine if Levein had done something like that during a derby?

Levein doesn’t get bombarded with hate-filled bigoted sectarian abuse for 90 minutes.

all is fair against those mutants from ibrox in my opinion.

[Pagan Hibernia]

That was clearly Duffy and the Morton bench that caused that.

it really was and we all knew that at the time.

its incredible really. Lennon is a divisive figure and people will have their own opinions of him but the amount of rewriting of history to try and stick the boot into him is extraordinary. I can’t remember any other previous manager where that has been the case and the criticism so visceral

[bigwheel]

It would have been something if it was for an event that had won a game, both times he was celebrating us drawing.

“Natural born winner.”

Lol. That’s quite a twist to get a dig in at Lennon .

His second one was a bit of fun..iirc, his first was after receiving sectarian abuse for the entire game ..

when Hanlon scored at Tynie , did you just applaud politely ? [emoji2]

[Michael]

I cringed at the aeroplane. Imagine if Levein had done something like that during a derby?

Would have been kind of funny tbf. Whats the harm?

[Northernhibee]

Lol. That’s quite a twist to get a dig in at Lennon .

His second one was a bit of fun..iirc, his first was after receiving sectarian abuse for the entire game ..

when Hanlon scored at Tynie , did you just applaud politely ? [emoji2]
That was something we did. He was even celebrating because an opposition goal was ruled out.

It’s not a twist. He was celebrating a refereeing decision that caused us not to lose. It was filmed if you don’t believe me.

You also miss a point. I wasn’t the manager of a football club acting like a child.

[bigwheel]

That was something we did. He was even celebrating because an opposition goal was ruled out.

It’s not a twist. He was celebrating a refereeing decision that caused us not to lose. It was filmed if you don’t believe me.

It feels you are trying pretty hard to be negative about him tbh..

Criticising him for celebrating late equalisers or big decisions that go for us ..

He seems to have many faults, as a coach and as a man ..but I can’t agree that “lack of competitiveness” is one of them..

I enjoyed most of the big character he brought to us in his time here. His mental health battles obviously brought some challenges too. But those would have been much deeper for him dealing with them, than for us as a club ...

For me , chatting about some character incident, are far better memories than that of a number of recent managers we have had ..

[Lago]

I cringed at the aeroplane. Imagine if Levein had done something like that during a derby?
I thought it was great, still do.

[blackpoolhibs]

I have celebrated when an opposition goal has been overturned, who hasn't? :confused:

[J-C]

Lennon wasn't the type we were looking for, he offered his services and we jumped at the chance due to his high profile. He had a lot of good and bad things about him, so split opinion, I'm in the enjoyed some things but hated other things about him. I personally think he's a decent manager but not as good as he thinks, he thinks he's a tactical expert but far from it, his recent playing without a striker in Europe was a disaster which will cost Celtic a few million.

[JimBHibees]

I have celebrated when an opposition goal has been overturned, who hasn't? :confused:

Every time. :agree:

[SideBurns]

Lennon lost the plot in his last few months at Hibs, and the Tynie game when he threatened to quit in the aftermath was alarming and, in retrospect, a hint of what was to come. However - our first season back in the Premier League saw us very close to second spot with only a few matches left, and we played some of the best football I've seen from a Hibs team. Personally, I thought the aeroplane was an appropriately crazy end to a crazy game against the Huns!!

[stantonhibby]

I cringed at the aeroplane. Imagine if Levein had done something like that during a derby?

We'd just equalised in the last minute against the Huns - too busy celebrating to worry or cringe too much about what Lennon was up to.

[marinello59]

I cringed at the aeroplane. Imagine if Levein had done something like that during a derby?

That was one of the craziest games of football I have ever seen. The aeroplane thing fitted in perfectly. :greengrin

[stantonhibby]

That was something we did. He was even celebrating because an opposition goal was ruled out.

It’s not a twist. He was celebrating a refereeing decision that caused us not to lose. It was filmed if you don’t believe me.

You also miss a point. I wasn’t the manager of a football club acting like a child.

I think your personal dislike of NL seems to make you determined to see the negative in anything he does tbh. Lucked out signing Allan for example - was that not just a good signing regardless of the circumstances?

[Jones28]

That was clearly Duffy and the Morton bench that caused that.

Lennon didn't start it but his reaction was a disgrace. I was right behind it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8OUXvbT7AA

[jacomo]

I cringed at the aeroplane. Imagine if Levein had done something like that during a derby?


Levein couldn’t have pulled it off though.

[jacomo]

Lennon didn't start it but his reaction was a disgrace. I was right behind it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8OUXvbT7AA


A disgrace?

Holy hyperbole Batman!

[Jones28]

A disgrace?

Holy hyperbole Batman!

Hardly, you think ripping folk out of the way to try and get at someone for a tear up while manager of Hibs isn't a disgrace?

[Northernhibee]

I think your personal dislike of NL seems to make you determined to see the negative in anything he does tbh. Lucked out signing Allan for example - was that not just a good signing regardless of the circumstances?

Well we didn’t get him because Lennon seen him as vital to us near t he start of the window, we got him because Celtic lost a goalie and seen a player who we had just happened to have signed on loan earlier that week as his replacement. We then punted an out of form striker who Bain’s host club seemed to want and that allowed us to get a player at the end of the window that only became available because of Celtic’s goalie issues.

If that’s not luck that both Celtic losing a goalie, identifying a player we’d just signed on loan as the replacement and also Dundee being happy to take Murray then I don’t know what is.

[JimBHibees]

Hardly, you think ripping folk out of the way to try and get at someone for a tear up while manager of Hibs isn't a disgrace?

Just standing up for himself after being attacked. :greengrin

[Just_Jimmy]

I didn't like him pre-hibs. I tried so hard to warm to him when he was here and I enjoyed a lot of the games but I really struggled to accept him. Maybe that was on me.

He embarrassed himself and the club a number of times which I really disliked. His departure summed him up.

I wish him no ill will but I also couldn't care less about his career from when he left Hibs. He was always Celtic first last and always, well I'm like that... Except Hibs first last and always.



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[blackpoolhibs]

Lennon wasn't the type we were looking for, he offered his services and we jumped at the chance due to his high profile. He had a lot of good and bad things about him, so split opinion, I'm in the enjoyed some things but hated other things about him. I personally think he's a decent manager but not as good as he thinks, he thinks he's a tactical expert but far from it, his recent playing without a striker in Europe was a disaster which will cost Celtic a few million.
Never once have I heard him say he thinks he's a tactical genius, but fair play if you have. How good does he think he is?

[J-C]

Never once have I heard him say he thinks he's a tactical genius, but fair play if you have. How good does he think he is?

Changing tactics against Hearts and it went spectacularly wrong, numerous games before he left was like pick a team from a hat and then being dumped out of Europe playing without a striker recently at Celtic.
He's lived off that one lucky game against Barcelona doing exactly what everyone else did against them, defend like mad and hope for luck. He hit upon the 352 when Gray got injured and Boyle played a blinder as WB, not to mention the best midfield in the league at the time and still screwed up at the end. As I said, he's not as good as he thinks he is.

I never said I heard him saying that but crack on with the wise cracks.

[Andy74]

Changing tactics against Hearts and it went spectacularly wrong, numerous games before he left was like pick a team from a hat and then being dumped out of Europe playing without a striker recently at Celtic.
He's lived off that one lucky game against Barcelona doing exactly what everyone else did against them, defend like mad and hope for luck. He hit upon the 352 when Gray got injured and Boyle played a blinder as WB, not to mention the best midfield in the league at the time and still screwed up at the end. As I said, he's not as good as he thinks he is.

I never said I heard him saying that but crack on with the wise cracks.

Deary me. He’s done a wee bit more in his career than one lucky win v Barcelona.

[The 90+2]

I see what you are saying. But we don’t have to constantly denigrate one manager in order to praise another. And we seem to view past managers’ achievements too harshly.

I loved Stubbs and will defend his record to anyone still unable to appreciate what he brought to the club, but Lennon was the right guy at the right time.

Everything else is ifs, buts and maybes. I think John Collins would have done much better with a proper football department and scouting structure to support him, but we will never know.

Sound mate 👍. Can’t argue with a lot of that.

[Since452]

If ever a manager has come up smelling of roses it's Neil Lennon. Taking over a Hibs who had just won the Scottish Cup with no real competition in the Championship and taking over Brendan Rodgers all conquering Celtic. Any time he's had a real challenge tactics go out the window, toys go out the pram and cracks begin to appear

[Pagan Hibernia]

If ever a manager has come up smelling of roses it's Neil Lennon. Taking over a Hibs who had just won the Scottish Cup with no real competition in the Championship and taking over Brendan Rodgers all conquering Celtic. Any time he's had a real challenge tactics go out the window, toys go out the pram and cracks begin to appear

In other words he can’t win with some people. No matter what he done at Hibs it would be discredited because he inherited a cup winning team from Stubbs.

i think he done alright. Better than alright at times.

[Eyrie]

In other words he can’t win with some people. No matter what he done at Hibs it would be discredited because he inherited a cup winning team from Stubbs.

i think he done alright. Better than alright at times.

Agreed, and he also did worse than bad on other occasions. Plenty of evidence for both sides.

[Andy74]

Agreed, and he also did worse than bad on other occasions. Plenty of evidence for both sides.

Sides doesn’t have much to do with it. No one is really arguing for him being some sort of genius.

It is the level of what seems to be pretty much a hatred for the guy that is difficult to justify.

[blackpoolhibs]

Changing tactics against Hearts and it went spectacularly wrong, numerous games before he left was like pick a team from a hat and then being dumped out of Europe playing without a striker recently at Celtic.
He's lived off that one lucky game against Barcelona doing exactly what everyone else did against them, defend like mad and hope for luck. He hit upon the 352 when Gray got injured and Boyle played a blinder as WB, not to mention the best midfield in the league at the time and still screwed up at the end. As I said, he's not as good as he thinks he is.

I never said I heard him saying that but crack on with the wise cracks.
What would the score have been if he’d not changed the team for the Hearts game. Ah the pick a team out the hat gets another airing, I’m sure every manager gets accused of this at some stage.

Not sure I get the Celtic bit, nowt to do with us but hey ho we can move on to how he hit upon a formation or lucked out with a couple of signings to in the end screw up a 4th place finish, jeez I must have watched a different team. I again have no idea just how good he thinks he is.

[we are hibs]

In other words he can’t win with some people. No matter what he done at Hibs it would be discredited because he inherited a cup winning team from Stubbs.

i think he done alright. Better than alright at times.

He did do alright. Nothing more or less. Certainly not "best manager since Turnbull" like some claimed. Not even close.

[J-C]

What would the score have been if he’d not changed the team for the Hearts game. Ah the pick a team out the hat gets another airing, I’m sure every manager gets accused of this at some stage.

Not sure I get the Celtic bit, nowt to do with us but hey ho we can move on to how he hit upon a formation or lucked out with a couple of signings to in the end screw up a 4th place finish, jeez I must have watched a different team. I again have no idea just how good he thinks he is.


We would've probably won that day at Hearts and had a far better chance of 2nd, instead of having to go gung ho against Rangers we'd could've played a normal game and might've won. Dropping McGeouch and McLaren who were both on terrific form was a huge mistake, even if he'd have played Bartley who loved a Hearts game. Instead he played an inconsistent Barker and an ageing Whittaker, after the game he went in the huff and hinted at leaving Hibs, he basically ballsed it up.

He tried to be smart and play a strikerless tactic in his European loss with 2 strikers sitting on the bench.

I watched one of the best teams I've seen at ER for many a year that season and was annoyed how it ended, the next again season told it's own story. He's a decent manager but not as good he or others thinks he is, as I said in another post I liked some of his management and hated other bits of it.

[NC1875]

I think we’ll see whether he’s a good manager or not this season as Rangers will give them competition unlike previous seasons imo.

Never liked him before he came to us, had some good times while he was here and was warming to him but couldn’t care less anymore.

[jacomo]

Hardly, you think ripping folk out of the way to try and get at someone for a tear up while manager of Hibs isn't a disgrace?


I’d rather it hadn’t happened but he was provoked. I’m clearly not as exercised about it as you are.

Klopp had a similar confrontation with Lampard last season but I don’t think many Liverpool fans got too upset about it.

[jacomo]

We would've probably won that day at Hearts and had a far better chance of 2nd, instead of having to go gung ho against Rangers we'd could've played a normal game and might've won. Dropping McGeouch and McLaren who were both on terrific form was a huge mistake, even if he'd have played Bartley who loved a Hearts game. Instead he played an inconsistent Barker and an ageing Whittaker, after the game he went in the huff and hinted at leaving Hibs, he basically ballsed it up.

He tried to be smart and play a strikerless tactic in his European loss with 2 strikers sitting on the bench.

I watched one of the best teams I've seen at ER for many a year that season and was annoyed how it ended, the next again season told it's own story. He's a decent manager but not as good he or others thinks he is, as I said in another post I liked some of his management and hated other bits of it.


Lennon has a habit of over-thinking his selections and tinkering with his line ups. It’s one of his biggest flaws as a manager imo.

[Since452]

I think our spectacular 2nd half of the season under Lennon was more down to luck from the recruitment team than anything. Scott Allan was dynamite and Kamberi and Maclaren were fantastic. On the flip side of that I'm not going to blame Lennon for dross like Nelom and Big Dave. He reminded me a bit of Yogi. Good motivator etc but that can't be sustained. Throwing the players under a bus will work once or twice until players naturally resist then start to switch off. I remember he did it after a horrendous performance at Starks Park and we saw a reaction. But then it seemed to be more and more often. I think with managers like that you'll maybe get a good season or two if you're lucky before it turns into a car crash.

[mcginlay]

Neil Lennon's recent 4-6-0 formations would make you think he (and Kennedy) don't really know what they're doing.

[SideBurns]

We also had a few pretty decent European nights under Lennon (not something we could say about any manager since McLeish and the Athens home game). Poor officiating robbed us of a draw at home to Brondby, and David Gray's winner in Copenhagen was a great moment which would've seen us through if Cummings' goal at ER had been given.

Like many others, I don't see Lennon as a really top manager but think he was the right man for us at the time and i can appreciate some of the memories he left us with (including knocking Hearts out the cup - again - while still in the Championship). He struggled to fill the chasm in midfield left by SJM's departure - a problem which seems to persist even now.

[givescotlandfreedom]

Did his job which was to get us out the championship. Built on that with a strong finish the next season and gave us some memorable results against Sevco and Hearts.
I can't help but think he worked his ticket out when hearing Celtic were interested again though and sometimes his stubbornness and lack of professionalism could be frustrating.
Overall, did what he was appointed for and benefited both parties.

[The 90+2]

Neil Lennon's recent 4-6-0 formations would make you think he (and Kennedy) don't really know what they're doing.

Lennon is lucky to have Kennedy and he was so close to becoming our manager.

[Billy Whizz]

Bongo drums that Strachan will take over from Lennon

[FilipinoHibs]

In other words he can’t win with some people. No matter what he done at Hibs it would be discredited because he inherited a cup winning team from Stubbs.

i think he done alright. Better than alright at times.

He basically had a good second half to our first season up and that was it. We were fortunate to get Allan but that gave us the best midfield in the league. He was behind dumping Murray and Stokes and bringing in McClaren and Flo. That deserves some credit.

[silverhibee]

The aeroplane and earcupping were two of the best moments in his time with us!

We all loved it at the time.

What was the aeroplane all about, what was his thinking behind it.

[Northernhibee]

What was the aeroplane all about, what was his thinking behind it.

We'd drawn a game.

[MWHIBBIES]

Honestly don't know why they rehired Lurgan Klopp anyway. He done his job ending out that season. They had just won a 3rd treble, in CL ect. Perfect time to go big for a decent manager.

[Brightside]

Surely not Strachan..... I reckon they need to do something urgently but not sure what Strachan would bring. They have a brilliant squad of players yet for some reason they arent showing that on the pitch.

[Magpie]

What was the aeroplane all about, what was his thinking behind it.

He got a ton of abuse from the Rangers fans throughout the game, bit of friendly banter back at them I suppose.

[Northernhibee]

Surely not Strachan..... I reckon they need to do something urgently but not sure what Strachan would bring. They have a brilliant squad of players yet for some reason they arent showing that on the pitch.

If it's him to the end of the season I can understand that.

[Andy74]

I still fancy Celtic to turn it around.

It is an odd season and Celtic were impacted a bit with Covid and other things pre the game v Rangers. At some point Rangers will be impacted by something or have a sticky spell. Still a long way to go and more Old firm games to go too.

Not too much leeway for further mistakes mind you.

It is also a few short weeks away from an open window so will be interesting to see the response. I think Celtic probably have more means to make changes.

[Steve20]

Rangers will fall away again. Celtic have got a very favourable December and January, while Rangers have some tricky away games in there. I think Celtic will hit a run and have still got the better squad out of the two.

[Peevemor]

I don't really care which of the uglies win the league, but if Celtic do manage to reduce the gap to 5 points with their games in hand then the league's far from over.

[BT58]

Im hearing a big fall out between NL and Brown. Other players getting involved, bad result on thursday could be the end of NL.
B

[Billy Whizz]

Im hearing a big fall out between NL and Brown. Other players getting involved, bad result on thursday could be the end of NL.
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Neil’s the voice of their Xmas advert.....

Seems to be some in fighting going on, but this generally happens when a team isn’t pergolas well as it should do

[murray26]

I’m surprised he’s lasted so long to be honest

[Jones28]

Rangers will fall away again. Celtic have got a very favourable December and January, while Rangers have some tricky away games in there. I think Celtic will hit a run and have still got the better squad out of the two.

I don't see it, I think they're too far gone. Rangers are rampant and Celtic are in total disarray and playing under a manager who has previous for - for want of a better phrase - chucking it when the going gets tough.

[Brightside]

Neil’s the voice of their Xmas advert.....

Seems to be some in fighting going on, but this generally happens when a team isn’t pergolas well as it should do

They should sign Gazebo.

[jeffers]

I don't see it, I think they're too far gone. Rangers are rampant and Celtic are in total disarray and playing under a manager who has previous for - for want of a better phrase - chucking it when the going gets tough.

I agree. I feel a bit of sick in my mouth saying this but the Huns look a really good side, score lots of goals, concede very little and also play attractive football. Add in their strength in depth and I’d be very surprised if they don’t win the league this season with a few games to spare.

[MWHIBBIES]

Im hearing a big fall out between NL and Brown. Other players getting involved, bad result on thursday could be the end of NL.
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Same patter a few weeks ago, and a few months ago, and a year ago. Utter pish I'd say.

Why is it always the most obvious candidates (Griffiths and Brown) he always has these massive bust ups with?

[Andy74]

Same patter a few weeks ago, and a few months ago, and a year ago. Utter pish I'd say.

Why is it always the most obvious candidates (Griffiths and Brown) he always has these massive bust ups with?

Seems like no dip in form can ever be without an associated bust up or meltdown these days.

[JeMeSouviens]

Neil’s the voice of their Xmas advert.....

Seems to be some in fighting going on, but this generally happens when a team isn’t pergolas well as it should do

Is NL being put on gardening leave? :confused:

[Oscar T Grouch]

What we need to remember, since the huns got back into this league they have had a new year collapse every one of those years. I can see that happening again, even given their current form which is on a par with Celtc's 16/17 side who dominated everyone in the league, I can still see them falling away. We've not seen them deal with a defeat yet. Celtc always seem to get stronger as the season progresses and have form for coming from behind recently too. If celtc empty Lennon they will struggle more than if they stick with him imho

[matty_f]

I don't know where the Rangers collapse is coming from this season, they've got the measure of Celtic in the derbies and are pretty rampant in the league at the moment. Don't think they've conceded at home yet. If I cared and was a betting man, my money would be going on Rangers for the league this season. I can't see Celtic catching them unless they ditch Lennon and spend big in January.

[calumhibee1]

What we need to remember, since the huns got back into this league they have had a new year collapse every one of those years. I can see that happening again, even given their current form which is on a par with Celtc's 16/17 side who dominated everyone in the league, I can still see them falling away. We've not seen them deal with a defeat yet. Celtc always seem to get stronger as the season progresses and have form for coming from behind recently too. If celtc empty Lennon they will struggle more than if they stick with him imho

Binning Lennon would instantly improve them almost regardless of who they bring in - although Strachan would be another awful choice on the back of NL. They are absolutely shocking just now given how far ahead of everyone they are budget wise.

I can’t see any way they win the league this season. Rangers may have had collapses in previous seasons but they’ve never looked as good as they do now.

I honestly think Rangers will win it by 10+ Especially if Lennon is still in post at the turn of the year.

[calumhibee1]

I don't know where the Rangers collapse is coming from this season, they've got the measure of Celtic in the derbies and are pretty rampant in the league at the moment. Don't think they've conceded at home yet. If I cared and was a betting man, my money would be going on Rangers for the league this season. I can't see Celtic catching them unless they ditch Lennon and spend big in January.

Yup. Whether they’ve collapsed in previous seasons or not they’re a different animal now. A +38 goal difference and 11 points clear after 15 games. There’s no sign of a collapse and their squad looks pretty strong now, something which maybe wasn’t the case previously.

Every bit as good as Rodgers Celtic side from a few seasons ago imo while Celtic look even worse than they did under Deila.

[Northernhibee]

Yup. Whether they’ve collapsed in previous seasons or not they’re a different animal now. A +38 goal difference and 11 points clear after 15 games. There’s no sign of a collapse and their squad looks pretty strong now, something which maybe wasn’t the case previously.

Every bit as good as Rodgers Celtic side from a few seasons ago imo while Celtic look even worse than they did under Deila.

In all honesty I look at the two teams just now and it's not a case of if Rangers can win this years title, but it's how many years in a row they can win if they keep a hold of their current squad. They for the first time in at least a decade look like a proper team with a decent manager.

[calumhibee1]

In all honesty I look at the two teams just now and it's not a case of if Rangers can win this years title, but it's how many years in a row they can win if they keep a hold of their current squad. They for the first time in at least a decade look like a proper team with a decent manager.

:agree:

The squad Celtic have ended up building is really poor. The Rangers squad is getting better every year. From the Celtic squad the only players I’d say would be starters or Rangers would be Christie and Edouard. Maybe McGregor but even then I’m not sure he’s better than Jack or Arfield on this seasons form.

Celtic will need to appoint a very good manager and splash a good bit of cash to close the gap imo.

[wookie70]

Binning Lennon would instantly improve them almost regardless of who they bring in - although Strachan would be another awful choice on the back of NL. They are absolutely shocking just now given how far ahead of everyone they are budget wise.

I can’t see any way they win the league this season. Rangers may have had collapses in previous seasons but they’ve never looked as good as they do now.

I honestly think Rangers will win it by 10+ Especially if Lennon is still in post at the turn of the year.

Agree with that. Lennon is the off field equivalent of a man short when thing are not going well. He has started pointing fingers and telling players they are lazy on camera etc. Meltdown approaching and he will end up losing the dressing room as he is incapable of shouldering any blame or responsibility. I suspect Celtc would improve regardless of who was brought in but they need to act quickly and also spend big as they are unlikely to ever get another shot of 10 in a row.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I think there’s a good chance we’ll finish closer to Celtic than Celtic will to Rangers.

[Keith_M]

What's Terry Butcher up to nowadays?

[jacomo]

I still fancy Celtic to turn it around.

It is an odd season and Celtic were impacted a bit with Covid and other things pre the game v Rangers. At some point Rangers will be impacted by something or have a sticky spell. Still a long way to go and more Old firm games to go too.

Not too much leeway for further mistakes mind you.

It is also a few short weeks away from an open window so will be interesting to see the response. I think Celtic probably have more means to make changes.


I agree with you. If Celtc are within 6 points of The Rangers at NYE, they just have to wait for Sevco’s customary New Year collapse and then steal the lead. Gerrard still has it all to do.

Also The Rangers have announced massive losses and need something like £20m to the end of the season. If anyone really does offer big money for one of their players they will be mighty tempted.

[calumhibee1]

I agree with you. If Celtc are within 6 points of The Rangers at NYE, they just have to wait for Sevco’s customary New Year collapse and then steal the lead. Gerrard still has it all to do.

Also The Rangers have announced massive losses and need something like £20m to the end of the season. If anyone really does offer big money for one of their players they will be mighty tempted.

Every season we hear the same thing about The Rangers needing astronomical sums of money to see out the season. It never happens.

[JimBHibees]

Personally think Celtic will panic and get rid pronto. They are lucky that there have been no fans in the grounds I think as the reaction of the games like Slavia at home wouldn't be pretty imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

Every season we hear the same thing about The Rangers needing astronomical sums of money to see out the season. It never happens.

Yeah, indeed. Rangers aren't going bust again. No chance.

[vercol36]

They should sign Gazebo.

I would tent to agree.

[Oscar T Grouch]

I don't know where the Rangers collapse is coming from this season, they've got the measure of Celtic in the derbies and are pretty rampant in the league at the moment. Don't think they've conceded at home yet. If I cared and was a betting man, my money would be going on Rangers for the league this season. I can't see Celtic catching them unless they ditch Lennon and spend big in January.

I'm just going on what has happened in previous seasons. Two years ago in December Rangers were top and Celtc were 3rd, just after we humped them 2-0 at ER, Celtic went on to win by 9 points. The previous season to that Celtic romped it but the huns still had their collapse in January and never recovered, the ended up in 3rd. The season before that Celtc romped it, huns were comfortably in 2nd place in December and ended up in 3rd behind Aberdeen by 9 points, thats a 16 point turn around from December. Now I know they have the best team they have had since they died in 2012 but they also have the same problem they do every year, they have spent their money in the summer and have just released their accounts showing a £16mil loss, Celtc will spend in January and the huns won't. Like you I am not bothered who wins the league out of the two of them, I am just making my judgement on this with previous seasons evidence.

[hibbydog]

I would tent to agree.

Cant sign him, he's far too camp.

[Pretty Boy]

Surely not Strachan..... I reckon they need to do something urgently but not sure what Strachan would bring. They have a brilliant squad of players yet for some reason they arent showing that on the pitch.

I saw Martin O'Neill mentioned earlier as well. I'd assume that would be because he is 'Celtic minded' and would play up to a certain section of their fan base. Pretty much the same reason they brought Lennon back really.

It's really hard to understand how Celtic have regressed so quickly from the position Rodgers left them in. Lennon isn't the best manager going and a few players are clearly working their ticket to get away but it can't all be on him; surely they have s structure in place that provides an element of continuity?

[Andy74]

Agree with that. Lennon is the off field equivalent of a man short when thing are not going well. He has started pointing fingers and telling players they are lazy on camera etc. Meltdown approaching and he will end up losing the dressing room as he is incapable of shouldering any blame or responsibility. I suspect Celtc would improve regardless of who was brought in but they need to act quickly and also spend big as they are unlikely to ever get another shot of 10 in a row.

When has this actually happened in Lennon’s reasonably long and successful management career so far?

This seems to be entirely based on an over dramatisation of what was imagined to have gone on at Hibs but that we don’t actually know much about. If anything the talk from players he worked with at the time have remained entirely positive about playing for him.

[weecounty hibby]

Every season we hear the same thing about The Rangers needing astronomical sums of money to see out the season. It never happens.

Yip, Douglas Park and someone else who I can't remember have guaranteed to keep bailing them out so no issues whatsoever with cash. There are always enough staunch millionaires out there to help them sadly

[Northernhibee]

When has this actually happened in Lennon’s reasonably long and successful management career so far?

This seems to be entirely based on an over dramatisation of what was imagined to have gone on at Hibs but that we don’t actually know much about. If anything the talk from players he worked with at the time have remained entirely positive about playing for him.

Well it happened with us to begin with. You really seem to have a very short memory.

[Andy74]

Well it happened with us to begin with. You really seem to have a very short memory.

Did it though?

[jacomo]

Every season we hear the same thing about The Rangers needing astronomical sums of money to see out the season. It never happens.


Eh? What never happens?

My point was that The Rangers need money every year to cover their losses and that is a fact, not an opinion. I got the figure wrong - they actually need £23m by the end of next season - but the point still stands: it will be tempting for them to cash in if they get a big offer for a player.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55024741

[CropleyWasGod]

Eh? What never happens?

My point was that The Rangers need money every year to cover their losses and that is a fact, not an opinion. I got the figure wrong - they actually need £23m by the end of next season - but the point still stands: it will be tempting for them to cash in if they get a big offer for a player.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55024741

:agree:

From their accounts, recently published:-

At the time of preparation, the forecast identified that the Group would require £8.8m by way of debt or equity funding by
the end of season 2020/21 in order to meet its liabilities as they fall due with further funding of £14.4m required by the end
of season 2021/22. The first tranche of funding is required from investors before the end of November 2020. However, the
final amount required is dependent on future football performance, European football participation, player trading and the
ongoing impact of COVID-19 amongst other factors.
The Board of Directors have discussed the Club’s forecast cash flow shortfall and have reached agreement with Douglas
Park and John Bennett whereby they will provide additional loan facilities as necessary to meet shortfalls to the above
requirements and any further amounts that may be required a result of variances to forecast cash flows. Further to this,
Douglas Park and John Bennett have agreed to provide a formal facility with funds being made immediately available to
meet short term cash needs with further funds to be made available to draw down as they are required.

[jacomo]

Yip, Douglas Park and someone else who I can't remember have guaranteed to keep bailing them out so no issues whatsoever with cash. There are always enough staunch millionaires out there to help them sadly


I can definitely see why a desire to stop 10IAR could help with the staunchness levels. However, it’s not so long ago that Moonbeams was forced to sell to Craig Whyte because no one else would step up, and then they got rinsed by Charles Green. If I know anything about rich people, they don’t like throwing money away.

[Northernhibee]

Did it though?

Yes. A weird obsession with blaming Kamberi, playing six defenders against Kilmarnock, bizarre team selections and substitutions, rants in the press (just after the derby at Tynecastle when he had an almighty rant was largely where it started) but in those last few months the buck started anywhere other than with himself and we were terrible on and off the pitch.

[calumhibee1]

Eh? What never happens?

My point was that The Rangers need money every year to cover their losses and that is a fact, not an opinion. I got the figure wrong - they actually need £23m by the end of next season - but the point still stands: it will be tempting for them to cash in if they get a big offer for a player.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55024741

Apologies, I meant they always see out the season. This season won’t be any different, neither will the next one.

[Billy Whizz]

:agree:

From their accounts, recently published:-

At the time of preparation, the forecast identified that the Group would require £8.8m by way of debt or equity funding by
the end of season 2020/21 in order to meet its liabilities as they fall due with further funding of £14.4m required by the end
of season 2021/22. The first tranche of funding is required from investors before the end of November 2020. However, the
final amount required is dependent on future football performance, European football participation, player trading and the
ongoing impact of COVID-19 amongst other factors.
The Board of Directors have discussed the Club’s forecast cash flow shortfall and have reached agreement with Douglas
Park and John Bennett whereby they will provide additional loan facilities as necessary to meet shortfalls to the above
requirements and any further amounts that may be required a result of variances to forecast cash flows. Further to this,
Douglas Park and John Bennett have agreed to provide a formal facility with funds being made immediately available to
meet short term cash needs with further funds to be made available to draw down as they are required.

They have a few player assets on the books now

[weecounty hibby]

I can definitely see why a desire to stop 10IAR could help with the staunchness levels. However, it’s not so long ago that Moonbeams was forced to sell to Craig Whyte because no one else would step up, and then they got rinsed by Charles Green. If I know anything about rich people, they don’t like throwing money away.
The can't I've heard us that when Murray was selling, even for a pound, that there were a lot who were apparently in the know about the finances and didn't want to invest/buy at that time. They seem happy to chuck their money in now though and I think it's about control. King is not the guy in charge, Park and that other dude are the main players and will end up with most of the shareholding

[flash]

Seems like no dip in form can ever be without an associated bust up or meltdown these days.

To be fair every dip in form we had when he was our manager was accompanied with a meltdown so the story is not without potential.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

How much debt are they actually in?

[CropleyWasGod]

How much debt are they actually in?

They have total liabilities of £87m :greengrin

[Iain G]

If Celtic win their two games in hand there is only 5 points in this and it is far too early to predict which way the league will go this season. There are a lot of unpredictable elements in play, covid a huge risk to any player or squad never mind teams like us or Aberdeen taking points off either of them. And Gerrard will be away in 2021 if he wins it or before his reputation is tarnished as soon as a decent level english club come calling. And Kent is wanted by Leeds and Morelos will be off...

[superfurryhibby]

Yes. A weird obsession with blaming Kamberi, playing six defenders against Kilmarnock, bizarre team selections and substitutions, rants in the press (just after the derby at Tynecastle when he had an almighty rant was largely where it started) but in those last few months the buck started anywhere other than with himself and we were terrible on and off the pitch.

Lennon lacked the skills to turn things around at Hibs once things started to unravel. Once McGinn and McGeouch had gone and Allan back at Celtic, Lennon failed to sign players good enough to carry on the good work of the previous season. Then he couldn’t handle the pressure or be tactically astute enough to make the most of what he had. I suspect the full story of life at Hibs that last season will emerge in time and it won’t portray Lennon in a great light.

[wookie70]

Lennon lacked the skills to turn things around at Hibs once things started to unravel. Once McGinn and McGeouch had gone and Allan back at Celtic, Lennon failed to sign players good enough to carry on the good work of the previous season. Then he couldn’t handle the pressure or be tactically astute enough to make the most of what he had. I suspect the full story of life at Hibs that last season will emerge in time and it won’t portray Lennon in a great light.

There have been little hints of what he was like with Hanlon, I think, saying he didn't really do tactics. That clearly showed. I saw another poster here say that Lennon buys players and then tries to find a role for them. That is exactly what he was like with us and it must have cost us a few bob and he has done the same at Celtc.
The signs of pressure with Lennon are blaming players on camera and accusing them of being unprofessional or lazy and then starting to mix and match his team hoping to find a formation that works. He also has a thing about strikers imo and it worked for us on Saturday as he left his best two on the bench. Celtc have no chance with him at the helm and a decent The Rangers team. Gerrard has a style of play, two players for each position and a team that all know their roles and responsibilities and buy into it. Look at the way the Celtc players chased Nisbets penalty in for a little insight into their drive and commitment. He also also started to look disinterested on the side line, that was the case at Hibs too in the later stages. He is a manager that does ok with someone else's team who are already a decent outfit. A few loses though and the toys are out the pram and he is looking around for someone to blame.

[Northernhibee]

A Dundee supporting friend has also heard about Strachan. Think he’s been advising McPake there IIRC.

[calumhibee1]

A Dundee supporting friend has also heard about Strachan. Think he’s been advising McPake there IIRC.

I almost think they’d be better keeping Neil Lennon. And that’s saying something.

Eddie Howe or Marcos Silva would be the obvious choices to me. They would maybe even think about gambling and going for Maloney.

[jonny]

There have been little hints of what he was like with Hanlon, I think, saying he didn't really do tactics. That clearly showed. I saw another poster here say that Lennon buys players and then tries to find a role for them. That is exactly what he was like with us and it must have cost us a few bob and he has done the same at Celtc.
The signs of pressure with Lennon are blaming players on camera and accusing them of being unprofessional or lazy and then starting to mix and match his team hoping to find a formation that works. He also has a thing about strikers imo and it worked for us on Saturday as he left his best two on the bench. Celtc have no chance with him at the helm and a decent The Rangers team. Gerrard has a style of play, two players for each position and a team that all know their roles and responsibilities and buy into it. Look at the way the Celtc players chased Nisbets penalty in for a little insight into their drive and commitment. He also also started to look disinterested on the side line, that was the case at Hibs too in the later stages. He is a manager that does ok with someone else's team who are already a decent outfit. A few loses though and the toys are out the pram and he is looking around for someone to blame.

Good summary. I don't disagree with any of that.

[Gmack7]

I just feel he cant handle any period of negativity and basically cannot accept responsibility for poor performances

[ehf]

They should sign Gazebo.

That would be a marquee signing!

[Eyrie]

That would be a marquee signing!

Certainly a statement of in-tent.

[Northernhibee]

Certainly a statement of in-tent.

Scouting continuing in Eastern Europe as Lennon struggles to get the two Poles in.

[Smartie]

That would be a marquee signing!

Big ideas but I reckon they need taken down a peg or two.

[Centre Hawf]

It feels like deja vu a little but with Celtic instead of ourselves here. After what was a good lift and fairly successful start to life at the club, any real work laid down by the predecessors is now so far in the rear view mirror you can't remember what it looked like and he's now struggling to find his own identity and plan something coherent to meet the standards set by his predecessor and the earlier stages of his reign.

Lennon was not, never was, and never will be the manager that many people believed so passionately that he was when we were getting rid of him. He is, to his credit, a passionate man that can be brilliant at getting people fired up for very specific situations, but it exhausts an awful lot of energy from them as well as people working around him. If I could pay him a compliment its that he shares a lot of similarities with someone like Jose Mourinho in that there is a shelf life to the performances he can draw out of people before he eventually flicks the wrong switch with someone and the whole fusebox blows out in his face.

Lennon is a dead man walking at Celtic and he will not turn the situation around unless Gerrard leaves or absolutely bottles this beyond belief. The longer Lawwell leaves the situation as it is the harder a job the man replacing him will have to rescue 10IAR. But for what it's worth they'd be as well trying to let him turn it around than get someone like Gordon Strachan in.

This will be Lennon's last season as not just Celtic manager, but maybe even as a manager in general.

[Green_one]

Celtic made the classic mistake of getting Lennon in as a short term fix and lazily keeping him on for two more seasons. His time was up in May 2019 and he is still there.

Absolutely the fault of the board. His has run out of bluster and his signings are poor. Very similar to Hibs. If this continues I expect the situation to quickly deteriorate significantly. He has lost the fans already.

[Since452]

It feels like deja vu a little but with Celtic instead of ourselves here. After what was a good lift and fairly successful start to life at the club, any real work laid down by the predecessors is now so far in the rear view mirror you can't remember what it looked like and he's now struggling to find his own identity and plan something coherent to meet the standards set by his predecessor and the earlier stages of his reign.

Lennon was not, never was, and never will be the manager that many people believed so passionately that he was when we were getting rid of him. He is, to his credit, a passionate man that can be brilliant at getting people fired up for very specific situations, but it exhausts an awful lot of energy from them as well as people working around him. If I could pay him a compliment its that he shares a lot of similarities with someone like Jose Mourinho in that there is a shelf life to the performances he can draw out of people before he eventually flicks the wrong switch with someone and the whole fusebox blows out in his face.

Lennon is a dead man walking at Celtic and he will not turn the situation around unless Gerrard leaves or absolutely bottles this beyond belief. The longer Lawwell leaves the situation as it is the harder a job the man replacing him will have to rescue 10IAR. But for what it's worth they'd be as well trying to let him turn it around than get someone like Gordon Strachan in.

This will be Lennon's last season as not just Celtic manager, but maybe even as a manager in general.

Celtic should get Yogi Hughes in for the rest of the season. Would be an upgrade on Lennon.

[easty]

Lennon lacked the skills to turn things around at Hibs once things started to unravel. Once McGinn and McGeouch had gone and Allan back at Celtic, Lennon failed to sign players good enough to carry on the good work of the previous season. Then he couldn’t handle the pressure or be tactically astute enough to make the most of what he had. I suspect the full story of life at Hibs that last season will emerge in time and it won’t portray Lennon in a great light.

No Hibs manager has been able to replace McGinn/McGeough since they left.

Lennon did bring in Omeonga, who loads of folk liked and wanted to keep.

I was glad to see him go in the end, and think he should be sacked at Celtc, but I would defend his signings at Hibs.

Marciano, Ambrose, Mallan, Simon Murray did well, Swanson looked like he should be a good signing at the time. Kamberi, MacLaren, he brought Allan back, Bogdan, Milligan was a decent player who a lot of folk would have liked us to keep. Horgan, Holt.

I wouldn’t judge him too harshly on failing to replace 2 players who were still trying to replace. It’s not easy to do it. Lennon signed a lot of good players, that wasn’t the problem with Neil Lennon.

[The Modfather]

No Hibs manager has been able to replace McGinn/McGeough since they left.

Lennon did bring in Omeonga, who loads of folk liked and wanted to keep.

I was glad to see him go in the end, and think he should be sacked at Celtc, but I would defend his signings at Hibs.

Marciano, Ambrose, Mallan, Simon Murray did well, Swanson looked like he should be a good signing at the time. Kamberi, MacLaren, he brought Allan back, Bogdan, Milligan was a decent player who a lot of folk would have liked us to keep. Horgan, Holt.

I wouldn’t judge him too harshly on failing to replace 2 players who were still trying to replace. It’s not easy to do it. Lennon signed a lot of good players, that wasn’t the problem with Neil Lennon.

He signed 33 players in his time and only three are still here. Marciano, Allan & Mallan. Transfers were one of his biggest failings IMO

[calumhibee1]

He signed 33 players in his time and only three are still here. Marciano, Allan & Mallan. Transfers were one of his biggest failings IMO

:agree:

Reading through that list there’s only Marciano, Allan and Ambrose that I would say were real successes. Maybe Holt as well.The others were varying degrees of decent enough. And then as you say, there’s god knows how many others not listed who were generally garbage.

[Jones28]

:agree:

Reading through that list there’s only Marciano, Allan and Ambrose that I would say were real successes. Maybe Holt as well.The others were varying degrees of decent enough. And then as you say, there’s god knows how many others not listed who were generally garbage.

Mavrias was the most bizarre.

[calumhibee1]

Mavrias was the most bizarre.

I’ve never seen a manager, especially of a team with a limited budget, who has signed so many players who hardly made it on the pitch.

Mavrias, Nelom, Rherras, big Dave, Eardley, McLean, Cammy Bell..

I don’t even know what half these guys looked like never mind if they were any good.

There’s no doubting he made some good signings but there was a very wide spectrum - a good chunk of them were abysmal. His signings at Celtic have proven to be more at the abysmal end of that spectrum.

[Brightside]

I’ve never seen a manager, especially of a team with a limited budget, who has signed so many players who hardly made it on the pitch.

Mavrias, Nelom, Rherras, big Dave, Eardley, McLean, Cammy Bell..

I don’t even know what half these guys looked like never mind if they were any good.

There’s no doubting he made some good signings but there was a very wide spectrum - a good chunk of them were abysmal. His signings at Celtic have proven to be more at the abysmal end of that spectrum.

Who is Mclean? I've totally forgot him?

[calumhibee1]

Who is Mclean? I've totally forgot him?

Brian McLean. Sure he was signed in the Championship from a team in Singapore but other than that I couldn’t tell you anything about him!

[J-C]

One of the biggest problems from what I was told is that Lennon wanted full control of getting players. Stubbs bought into the role as head coach and allowed the recruitment team to do their job, Lennon on the other hand used his agent and other contacts to bring in players, most of which were gash. Allan was here before and wanted back, Mallan was well known to the recruitment team and was a player in the style we had in the Championship, lost his way a bit, young talented and hungry. Rocky I think came from his agent. Efe was a success but got away with murder by turning up late at training which annoyed a lot of the players, look where Efe is now, right choice not to go back for him.
Lennon had no plan, tactics varied from week to week, team was a lottery and the squad was totally imbalanced.

[calumhibee1]

One of the biggest problems from what I was told is that Lennon wanted full control of getting players. Stubbs bought into the role as head coach and allowed the recruitment team to do their job, Lennon on the other hand used his agent and other contacts to bring in players, most of which were gash. Allan was here before and wanted back, Mallan was well known to the recruitment team and was a player in the style we had in the Championship, lost his way a bit, young talented and hungry. Rocky I think came from his agent. Efe was a success but got away with murder by turning up late at training which annoyed a lot of the players, look where Efe is now, right choice not to go back for him.
Lennon had no plan, tactics varied from week to week, team was a lottery and the squad was totally imbalanced.

Part of the reason I’d still love Stubbs back. He had a cracking eye for a player whilst using the recruitment team to its fullest.

[Partyraiser]

Brian McLean. Sure he was signed in the Championship from a team in Singapore but other than that I couldn’t tell you anything about him!

Brother of referee Stevie McLean. Brian played in my school team. He definitely played at least one game under lennon, perhaps in a cup tie?!

[calumhibee1]

Brother of referee Stevie McLean. Brian played in my school team. He definitely played at least one game under lennon, perhaps in a cup tie?!

Forgot he was his brother!

[Jones28]

I’ve never seen a manager, especially of a team with a limited budget, who has signed so many players who hardly made it on the pitch.

Mavrias, Nelom, Rherras, big Dave, Eardley, McLean, Cammy Bell..

I don’t even know what half these guys looked like never mind if they were any good.

There’s no doubting he made some good signings but there was a very wide spectrum - a good chunk of them were abysmal. His signings at Celtic have proven to be more at the abysmal end of that spectrum.

Jonathan Spector!

[Brightside]

Jonathan Spector!

Spector was decent tbf. I'd have kept him. But he retired not long after so i assume he got injured.

[calumhibee1]

Jonathan Spector!

Think he was Heckingbottom :agree:

[Keith_M]

Part of the reason I’d still love Stubbs back. He had a cracking eye for a player whilst using the recruitment team to its fullest.


Every manager has pros and cons.

We made some fantastic signings under Stubbs and had great results against the bigger clubs but struggled too often against the 'smaller' clubs. We failed to get promoted two season on the trot, lost a cup final to Ross County but won the SC by beating Hearts, ICT, Dundee Utd then Rangers.

Our current manager has worked out how to rack up the points against the smaller clubs, but has struggled the last few times we've played Hearts and Aberdeen.


It would be great if we could get a manager that could give us the best of both worlds, but they would probably sod off to a bigger club as quickly as you could say, 'Hi Neil, that's Celtc on the phone...'

[Pagan Hibernia]

Lennon really does get under people’s skin doesn’t he. He’s gone nearly two years and he still provokes a visceral reaction in some people. Some like him, many dislike him intensely. Can’t think of many Hibs managers that were that divisive. As I’ve said before he did well at Hibs in my opinion, was the right man at that time, but it ran its course and it was in the best interests of both parties when he left. Don’t hate him at all, but don’t really care whether he gets the boot from Celtic.

[Jones28]

Think he was Heckingbottom :agree:


He was, my mistake.

[H18S NX]

:agree:

Reading through that list there’s only Marciano, Allan and Ambrose that I would say were real successes. Maybe Holt as well.The others were varying degrees of decent enough. And then as you say, there’s god knows how many others not listed who were generally garbage....Pardon my ignorance,but who was He? Must be an age thing with me.

[calumhibee1]

...Pardon my ignorance,but who was He? Must be an age thing with me.

The ‘Incredible’ Grant Holt!

[ABZHFC]

Brother of referee Stevie McLean. Brian played in my school team. He definitely played at least one game under lennon, perhaps in a cup tie?!

Certain he played in the 1-0 win at Tannadice in March, when Cummings was sent off for scoring a perfectly legitimate headed goal that would have put us two goals up :wink:

[Andy74]

I’ve never seen a manager, especially of a team with a limited budget, who has signed so many players who hardly made it on the pitch.

Mavrias, Nelom, Rherras, big Dave, Eardley, McLean, Cammy Bell..

I don’t even know what half these guys looked like never mind if they were any good.

There’s no doubting he made some good signings but there was a very wide spectrum - a good chunk of them were abysmal. His signings at Celtic have proven to be more at the abysmal end of that spectrum.

You should probably check out Stubbs full list of signings. When you sign a lot of players a number of those don't work out.

[calumhibee1]

Every manager has pros and cons.

We made some fantastic signings under Stubbs and had great results against the bigger clubs but struggled too often against the 'smaller' clubs. We failed to get promoted two season on the trot, lost a cup final to Ross County but won the SC by beating Hearts, ICT, Dundee Utd then Rangers.

Our current manager has worked out how to rack up the points against the smaller clubs, but has struggled the last few times we've played Hearts and Aberdeen.


It would be great if we could get a manager that could give us the best of both worlds, but they would probably sod off to a bigger club as quickly as you could say, 'Hi Neil, that's Celtc on the phone...'

I personally think Stubbs gets a much harder time for his ‘failings’ than he should. He was competing in a Championship which contained Rangers, Hearts and a Falkirk side that reached the Scottish Cup final. A feat which any of the ‘smaller’ sides in the Championship will next to never manage. 3 very good sides way above the standard of a lot of the sides that were in the Premiership that year. And this was having taking over the worst Hibs team I’ve ever saw.

The second season we made two cup finals, won one and finished 3rd, again behind a very decent Falkirk team and Rangers. Both seasons we had similar points totals to the one that got us promoted but in much harder leagues. It’s a bit black and white imo to just point out he never got us promoted without considering the fact we were never favourites to get promoted and what he took over from.

He was a cracking manager at Hibs imo whether that’s his signings or his ability to manage the team.

[calumhibee1]

You should probably check out Stubbs full list of signings. When you sign a lot of players a number of those don't work out.

Every manager will have players that don’t work out. Stubbs had 2 seasons and signed Logan, Gray, McGregor, Fontaine, Bartley, Boyle, Henderson, McGinn, McGeough, Malonga.. all of them very good signings for Hibs, some of them outstanding and one of them one of the best players a lot of us has seen at Hibs. I don’t think there can be any argument that signing wise he was on another planet to most managers we’ve had in recent history.

[Keith_M]

I personally think Stubbs gets a much harder time for his ‘failings’ than he should. He was competing in a Championship which contained Rangers, Hearts and a Falkirk side that reached the Scottish Cup final. A feat which any of the ‘smaller’ sides in the Championship will next to never manage. 3 very good sides way above the standard of a lot of the sides that were in the Premiership that year. And this was having taking over the worst Hibs team I’ve ever saw.

The second season we made two cup finals, won one and finished 3rd, again behind a very decent Falkirk team and Rangers. Both seasons we had similar points totals to the one that got us promoted but in much harder leagues. It’s a bit black and white imo to just point out he never got us promoted without considering the fact we were never favourites to get promoted and what he took over from.

He was a cracking manager at Hibs imo whether that’s his signings or his ability to manage the team.


I was just pointing out that there are pros and cons of both.

Some people think Stubbs was the best thing since sliced bread and some feel the same about Lennon. Other people seem to be borderding on hatred with their PoV.


Personally, I think we should just move on and I don't really get why some people (BTW, I'm not meaning you ;-) ) get so worked up either way about people that left the club years ago.

[ABZHFC]

You should probably check out Stubbs full list of signings. When you sign a lot of players a number of those don't work out.

All I'd say to this is while, yes, there were notable duds signed by Stubbs too, the squad he inherited was a basket case and it demanded dramatic additions. Lennon inherited one of our better squads of the twenty-first century, at a point where the club was at the highest of highs, but it is the pretty even ratio of good to dud players that he signed in his tenure that is arguably a big reason as to why it went wrong by the end of his time with us

[Andy74]

Every manager will have players that don’t work out. Stubbs had 2 seasons and signed Logan, Gray, McGregor, Fontaine, Bartley, Boyle, Henderson, McGinn, McGeough, Malonga.. all of them very good signings for Hibs, some of them outstanding and one of them one of the best players a lot of us has seen at Hibs. I don’t think there can be any argument that signing wise he was on another planet to most managers we’ve had in recent history.

You are picking out some that worked and suggesting he was some sort of transfer genius. He signed 31 players. He signed 13 at St Mirren too and they were all failures. He undoubtedly signed some excellent players for us. One in particular a once in a generation signing that I think not even anyone at his really knew we were getting.

Managers also come in at different times with different squads in front of them and different needs.

Stubbs had a pretty blank page and could sign a number of players straight away that he wanted.

Lennon inherited a good team from Stubbs, largely, and only had to make a few signings initially then had to do more work later to replace some.

Anyway, over their managerial careers you'd be hard pushed to suggest Stubbs had more of an eye for a player than Lennon.

[calumhibee1]

You are picking out some that worked and suggesting he was some sort of transfer genius. He signed 31 players. He signed 13 at St Mirren too and they were all failures. He undoubtedly signed some excellent players for us. One in particular a once in a generation signing that I think not even anyone at his really knew we were getting.

Managers also come in at different times with different squads in front of them and different needs.

Stubbs had a pretty blank page and could sign a number of players straight away that he wanted.

Lennon inherited a good team from Stubbs, largely, and only had to make a few signings initially then had to do more work later to replace some.

Anyway, over their managerial careers you'd be hard pushed to suggest Stubbs had more of an eye for a player than Lennon.

Yup, but the fact I can list so many massive successes really says a lot. I also missed Allan out on that list who was exceptional. The same can’t be done for Lennon, Heckingbottom or near enough any other manager we’ve had in recent history.

I can’t say I’m massively interested in their success rate at other teams. Stubbs was hands down the best operator in the transfer market we’ve had since Mowbray, maybe even longer and trying to play down his success by saying he didn’t know what he was getting with McGinn as if it was just a stab in the dark is laughably desperate.

[Brightside]

Yup, but the fact I can list so many massive successes really says a lot. I also missed Allan out on that list who was exceptional. The same can’t be done for Lennon, Heckingbottom or near enough any other manager we’ve had in recent history.

I can’t say I’m massively interested in their success rate at other teams. Stubbs was hands down the best operator in the transfer market we’ve had since Mowbray, maybe even longer and trying to play down his success by saying he didn’t know what he was getting with McGinn is a laughably desperate attempt to down play it.

Remember he was signing players for the championship though, and as good as some of the players were we didnt get promoted until Hearts and rangers had moved on and Lennon has came onboard. Personally im more of a fan of the football that Stubbs played but it was at a much easier level than Ross or Hecky.

[ABZHFC]

Yup, but the fact I can list so many massive successes really says a lot. I also missed Allan out on that list who was exceptional. The same can’t be done for Lennon, Heckingbottom or near enough any other manager we’ve had in recent history.

I can’t say I’m massively interested in their success rate at other teams. Stubbs was hands down the best operator in the transfer market we’ve had since Mowbray, maybe even longer and trying to play down his success by saying he didn’t know what he was getting with McGinn is a laughably desperate attempt to down play it.

I'd say, to give others who were at the club fair credit, Stubbs was willing to work in a recruitment system that did not always see him calling all the shots. From the signings Lennon made, I think this system slowly ceased to exist under his management, with an increasing number of players being 'his' signings, as showcased by the number of players who were on the books of his good friend and agent, Dudu Dahan, or those who had connections back to his days at Celtic

[calumhibee1]

Remember he was signing players for the championship though, and as good as some of the players were we didnt get promoted until Hearts and rangers had moved on and Lennon has came onboard. Personally im more of a fan of the football that Stubbs played but it was at a much easier level than Ross or Hecky.

The fact he signed the vast majority of a team that won a cup, won a league and then competed so well in our first season back up as a Championship team just makes it all the more impressive.

[Brightside]

The fact he signed the vast majority of a team that won a cup, won a league and then competed so well in our first season back up as a Championship team just makes it all the more impressive/

The Cup run was extraordinary. Our league form was very often not so great. As i said - I liked Stubbs. But a lot of his praise is due to that Cup win (and rightly so)

[Pagan Hibernia]

I personally don’t see why some people can’t praise Stubbs without getting a dig in at Lennon, and vice versa. I’d say they both contributed to what was a hugely enjoyable 4 years for Hibs fans

[calumhibee1]

I'd say, to give others who were at the club fair credit, Stubbs was willing to work in a recruitment system that did not always see him calling all the shots. From the signings Lennon made, I think this system slowly ceased to exist under his management, with an increasing number of players being 'his' signings, as showcased by the number of players who were on the books of his good friend and agent, Dudu Dahan, or those who had connections back to his days at Celtic

Absolutely. Lennon toiled with signings at Hibs and looking at the squad he’s built at Celtic the same can be said there as well. It’ll be his down fall and probably what costs Celtic 10 in a row.

Stubbs embraced a great set up and it paid off spectacularly.

[The Modfather]

The Cup run was extraordinary. Our league form was very often not so great. As i said - I liked Stubbs. But a lot of his praise is due to that Cup win (and rightly so)

For me the difference between Stubbs and Lennon is that Stubbs signed the core of a team that long outlasted him and one we’re still trying to replace. It was time for Stubbs to go when he did IMO, although in hindsight I think he’d have taken us up by default in our 3rd season as we didn’t improve any but there was a big drop off in our competitors.

Lennon took Stubbs’ team up another couple of levels in his second season but left an imbalanced mess for Heckingbottom/Ross.

Stubbs was far from perfect, but what sets him aside for me is he’s one of the few managers who when it was time to leave had left genuine foundations for the next man and not a cycle of rebuilds as we’ve seen.

[easty]

I personally think Stubbs gets a much harder time for his ‘failings’ than he should. He was competing in a Championship which contained Rangers, Hearts and a Falkirk side that reached the Scottish Cup final. A feat which any of the ‘smaller’ sides in the Championship will next to never manage. 3 very good sides way above the standard of a lot of the sides that were in the Premiership that year. And this was having taking over the worst Hibs team I’ve ever saw.

The second season we made two cup finals, won one and finished 3rd, again behind a very decent Falkirk team and Rangers. Both seasons we had similar points totals to the one that got us promoted but in much harder leagues. It’s a bit black and white imo to just point out he never got us promoted without considering the fact we were never favourites to get promoted and what he took over from.

He was a cracking manager at Hibs imo whether that’s his signings or his ability to manage the team.

You are giving Falkirk far more credit than they deserve, especially in Stubbs second season.

[Northernhibee]

You are giving Falkirk far more credit than they deserve, especially in Stubbs second season.
We really don't. They had an excellent young team which deserved to be up there battling for the league, in fact they only finished one point short of what we achieved the following season and having run a top flight team very close in the Scottish Cup Final the previous season.

They've not been able to keep that team and replaced their players very poorly but to say that a team like theres who had a lot less games than us to play are somehow less meritous in their final league position isn't true. They'd have been more welcome in the top flight than, say, Hamilton.

[calumhibee1]

You are giving Falkirk far more credit than they deserve, especially in Stubbs second season.

They finished the league in Stubbs second season with one less point than we won it with the season after. They actually lost less games than Rangers who won the league. And that was whilst having to compete with ourselves and Rangers who had huge budgets compared to the rest of that league. We had nobody to compete with the season after and only gained 1 point more than they did.

They were a very decent side who would probably have been in and around top 6 in the top tier in Stubbs second season.

[Onion]

I personally don’t see why some people can’t praise Stubbs without getting a dig in at Lennon, and vice versa. I’d say they both contributed to what was a hugely enjoyable 4 years for Hibs fans

:agree: They both did good jobs. Stubbs had the challenge of rebuilding the complete squad, brought back pride to ER and won us the Cup . Lennon gave us one of the most competitive teams we've seen at ER in decades, a real never-say-die attitude and took us into Europe with some vg performances.

They were both flawed in there own ways, but that's what a Hibs budget get you. If they weren't, they'd be nowhere near ER.

[MWHIBBIES]

They finished the league in Stubbs second season with one less point than we won it with the season after. And that was whilst having to compete with ourselves and Rangers who had huge budgets compared to the rest of that league. We had nobody to compete with the season after and only gained 1 point more than they did.

They were a very decent side who would probably have been in and around top 6 in the top tier in Stubbs second season.

I find it very difficult to give any side with a plastic park any credit at all. Them having one aided them massively, home and at the away grounds that had one./

[calumhibee1]

I find it very difficult to give any side with a plastic park any credit at all. Them having one aided them massively, home and at the away grounds that had one./

A different debate entirely but one I definitely agree with. :agree:

[wookie70]

The fact he signed the vast majority of a team that won a cup, won a league and then competed so well in our first season back up as a Championship team just makes it all the more impressive.

It started going wrong for Lennon when more than half the team were his signings(I'm counting Allan as a Stubbs identified signing). He did pretty well with a team filled with someone else's signings. McLaren and Flo made a difference but both of those ended badly and he definitely had issues with both of those players. He certainly got a few right with Rocky and Efe in particular but most were pretty forgettable and difficult to see how they fitted into the middle/long term plan.

As mentioned by others I think what worked so well with Stubbs was he bought into the recruitment team and they seemed to be supporting each other. I never got that feeling with Lennon. When LD came in she was brilliant at communicating her vision. Style of play, three players for each position with the Dev Team providing one of those and playing in the same style as first team, Head Coach supported by recruitment team etc. I get the feeling that all started to fracture with Lennon which is possibly the most negative part of his legacy. Succession planning went out the window and we seemed to sign players without a clue about how they would fit into the team. Ross looks like he fits into a similar mould as Stubbs and I hope LD restates her vision as it was the correct way to go.

[calumhibee1]

It started going wrong for Lennon when more than half the team were his signings(I'm counting Allan as a Stubbs identified signing). He did pretty well with a team filled with someone else's signings. McLaren and Flo made a difference but both of those ended badly and he definitely had issues with both of those players. He certainly got a few right with Rocky and Efe in particular but most were pretty forgettable and difficult to see how they fitted into the middle/long term plan.

As mentioned by others I think what worked so well with Stubbs was he bought into the recruitment team and they seemed to be supporting each other. I never got that feeling with Lennon. When LD came in she was brilliant at communicating her vision. Style of play, three players for each position with the Dev Team providing one of those and playing in the same style as first team, Head Coach supported by recruitment team etc. I get the feeling that all started to fracture with Lennon which is possibly the most negative part of his legacy. Succession planning went out the window and we seemed to sign players without a clue about how they would fit into the team. Ross looks like he fits into a similar mould as Stubbs and I hope LD restates her vision as it was the correct way to go.

:agree:

Would definitely like to see us get back to the vision that Leeann had previously set out.

[neil7908]

I know this is hardly scientific but I'd definitely take Stubbs back as Hibs manager, despite the direction his head career has taken.

I wouldn't have Lennon back again, even with all the trophies he's won since he left us.

[J-C]

It started going wrong for Lennon when more than half the team were his signings(I'm counting Allan as a Stubbs identified signing). He did pretty well with a team filled with someone else's signings. McLaren and Flo made a difference but both of those ended badly and he definitely had issues with both of those players. He certainly got a few right with Rocky and Efe in particular but most were pretty forgettable and difficult to see how they fitted into the middle/long term plan.

As mentioned by others I think what worked so well with Stubbs was he bought into the recruitment team and they seemed to be supporting each other. I never got that feeling with Lennon. When LD came in she was brilliant at communicating her vision. Style of play, three players for each position with the Dev Team providing one of those and playing in the same style as first team, Head Coach supported by recruitment team etc. I get the feeling that all started to fracture with Lennon which is possibly the most negative part of his legacy. Succession planning went out the window and we seemed to sign players without a clue about how they would fit into the team. Ross looks like he fits into a similar mould as Stubbs and I hope LD restates her vision as it was the correct way to go.

Lennon was never identified as a target, he was a manager and we were looking for a head coach like Stubbs, he offered his services and it was a case of being right person at the right time. Unfortunately he stood on too many toes, did things his way ignoring advice from the recruitment team, we moved away from the blue print of what we trying to achieve as a club. Heckingbottom came in similar to Stubbs but was no good, Ross is another up and coming head coach like Stubbs.

[Brightside]

:agree:

Would definitely like to see us get back to the vision that Leeann had previously set out.

The 3 players for every position has went out the window a bit due to cut backs / covid etc. Post Covid setup of the football dept is going to be interesting. If we get 4th with a limited playing squad do we think the CEO will want to invest more? Hopefully he will.

[WhileTheChief..]

I know this is hardly scientific but I'd definitely take Stubbs back as Hibs manager, despite the direction his head career has taken.

I wouldn't have Lennon back again, even with all the trophies he's won since he left us.

I’d take Lennon back in a heartbeat but wouldn’t want to see Stubbs back at all!

[Dashing Bob S]

I personally don’t see why some people can’t praise Stubbs without getting a dig in at Lennon, and vice versa. I’d say they both contributed to what was a hugely enjoyable 4 years for Hibs fans

Yes leave them both alone. They were, on balance, both absolutely great for us. Let’s not lose sight of the big picture.

[GRA]

I personally don’t see why some people can’t praise Stubbs without getting a dig in at Lennon, and vice versa. I’d say they both contributed to what was a hugely enjoyable 4 years for Hibs fans

Agree. The period with Lenny was, for the most part, great. Got us promoted, pumping Hearts a few times, into Europe (past two rounds something not done since the 70s), competing in games against the Old Firm and the best midfield I've seen for a good few years. Just petered out towards the end as he went off the rails after the coin throwing Derby but don't regret having him as a manager at all.

[Phil MaGlass]

I enjoyed it when Lennon was with us, raised our profile any way you look at it. As already said, petered out towards the end, but, I did enjoy his time with us.

[Hakim Sar]

Neil Lennon was a great Hibs manager. I felt fearless going into every single game with him in charge and always felt he was a good guy to have in your corner.

I don’t care one bit if it was his players, stubbs players or whatever. We made a good call hiring Stubbs, and another good call hiring Lennon.

A time I will remember fondly from the Scottish cup win to the Asteras euro game.

Id buy Lennon and Stubbsy a beer anytime.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I enjoyed it when Lennon was with us, raised our profile any way you look at it. As already said, petered out towards the end, but, I did enjoy his time with us.

I fully agree with this. However, if I were in charge at Celtic, I would punt him now. Just like his time with us, it's fallen apart and it looks like the time to part ways. If Lennon stays, Rangers win the league, IMHO.

[calumhibee1]

I enjoyed it when Lennon was with us, raised our profile any way you look at it. As already said, petered out towards the end, but, I did enjoy his time with us.

I know people will just think I’m saying this because it’s NL but it’s not necessarily anything to do with Lennon as such, but in what way was our profile raised over that period? We won the cup before NL in quite spectacular fashion which was by far the biggest thing for our profile.

It seems to be something which has been said a lot on here but I’m not sure there’s any sort of substance to it. It’s not like he was a world class player or manager - say we’d appointed Ronaldinho, fat Ronaldo, Maradona etc then I’d understand where it came from. As it is though, NL is just another footballer who had a decent enough career of which there has been thousands. I’m not sure what part of his appointment or reign really saw our profile raised?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I know people will just think I’m saying this because it’s NL but it’s not necessarily anything to do with Lennon as such, but in what way was our profile raised over that period? We won the cup before NL in quite spectacular fashion which was by far the biggest thing for our profile.

It seems to be something which has been said a lot on here but I’m not sure there’s any sort of substance to it. It’s not like he was a world class player or manager - say we’d appointed Ronaldinho, fat Ronaldo, Maradona etc then I’d understand where it came from. As it is though, NL is just another footballer who had a decent enough career of which there has been thousands. I’m not sure what part of his appointment or reign really saw our profile raised?

He is a big name in the Scottish game, having been a Celtic captain and title winning Celtic manager. All things being equal, he was just about the biggest name we could have attracted at the time. It was a statement of ambition from Hibs.

[calumhibee1]

He is a big name in the Scottish game, having been a Celtic captain and title winning Celtic manager. All things being equal, he was just about the biggest name we could have attracted at the time. It was a statement of ambition from Hibs.

Whilst all that is true I’m not quite sure any of that equates to raising our profile though.

Winning the cup against the OF with a last minute winner for the first time in 114 years is a much bigger deal in Scottish football and especially world football than a managerial ‘big name’ appointment. Yet we never hear of Stubbs having raised our profile.

It seems to just be a soundbite that has caught on with no substance really.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Whilst all that is true I’m not quite sure any of that equates to raising our profile though.

Winning the cup against the OF with a last minute winner for the first time in 114 years is a much bigger deal in Scottish football and especially world football than a managerial ‘big name’ appointment. Yet we never hear of Stubbs having raised our profile.

It seems to just be a soundbite that has caught on with no substance really.

The cup win was massive for our profile, and it got a huge monkey off of our back. Lennon's appointment built upon that; perhaps it cemented the idea of Hibs as a big club again. It was an exciting time, one which provided a superb platform for further progress. It's all part of building momentum. Both Stubbs and Lennon played their part; now we must kick on. We have a club capable of being Scotland's third force.

[J-C]

He is a big name in the Scottish game, having been a Celtic captain and title winning Celtic manager. All things being equal, he was just about the biggest name we could have attracted at the time. It was a statement of ambition from Hibs.


Only a big name in Scottish football due to playing for Celtic, apart from that he was a bang average midfielder at Leicester and Crewe, he had a bit of an aggressive streak to game but was I'd say just a decent pro, there's many ex players over the country with the same credentials.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Only a big name in Scottish football due to playing for Celtic, apart from that he was a bang average midfielder at Leicester and Crewe, he had a bit of an aggressive streak to game but was I'd say just a decent pro, there's many ex players over the country with the same credentials.

Yes, I also think he was limited as a player, but he's a big name in Scottish football. I don't think we could have attracted someone of a higher profile then. Overall I think he did job for us, though his ending was a mess. He did build upon the cup win and make reinforce the idea we are a big club in Scotland.

[Since452]

Hearts will be fancying their chances in the final with Lennon in charge

[Coco Bryce]

Celtic fans on Twitter wanting Dempster at their club, as she knows how to get shot of Lennon 😂😂

[Lancs Harp]

Hearts will be fancying their chances in the final with Lennon in charge

Would have been fancying our own chances ....... if only.:rolleyes:

[overdrive]

Just seen the post match interview with him on BT. A bit of a car crash. One word answers, refusing to answer questions, etc.

I think he’ll be gone soon.

[CMurdoch]

Celtic fans on Twitter wanting Dempster at their club, as she knows how to get shot of Lennon 😂😂

:greengrin

[KingPat4]

Was disappointed in the manner that NL left us and our league position. But overall he raised our profile. If he had got Ryan Christie in part exchange for John McGinn, who knows? Things may have been different.

[Magpie]

I think his time is up now.

[hibbysam]

Stage two of his meltdown tonight, snappy and defensive when it comes to questions from reporters. He’s called out the players, now he’s calling out the media. He’s another bad result away from fighting with a player and having a brawl with the CEO.

[FilipinoHibs]

Lennon will be gone soon. Lawell will not want to be seen doing nothing and letting 10 in a row slip away.

[CMurdoch]

Stage two of his meltdown tonight, snappy and defensive when it comes to questions from reporters. He’s called out the players, now he’s calling out the media. He’s another bad result away from fighting with a player and having a brawl with the CEO.

His name is almost always preceeded in the media by the adjective Furious.
As per Hibs, his style of man management worked well for a while at Celtic but the players, as they did at Hibs, seem to have become worn down by his constant rants.

[WeeRussell]

Lennon will be gone soon. Lawell will not want to be seen doing nothing and letting 10 in a row slip away.

I think it’s probably too late. But they certainly won’t turn it around this season if Lennon stays. That has been clear for a while now.

[Baader]

I like Lennon but something is very wrong there. More a matter of when than if I think. I'd imagine if fans were back he'd already have gone. Silly move him going back there.

[mcohibs]

I think it’s probably too late. But they certainly won’t turn it around this season if Lennon stays. That has been clear for a while now.

What's the alternative though, genuinely? Someone like Brendan Rodgers or a manager of that ilk was a one off for Celtic, they won't get that calibre in the door this time. And even if they do, managers take time to bed in. They can't afford that this season.

I honestly think they are as good as handing the title to Rangers if they sack their manager now. That being said, it's a mammoth task for Lennon to turn it around. Rangers really are flying just now

[percy veer]

if i was them id go for o'neil and roy keane

[The_Exile]

Struggling struggling struggling. He has been places though, and won things.

[K-Zazu]

Lennon loves a siege mentality he knows if he turns it round and wins 10 in a row from the situation he’s in now he will be a god at Celtic

[neil7908]

Lennon loves a siege mentality he knows if he turns it round and wins 10 in a row from the situation he’s in now he will be a god at Celtic

Never going to happen now. Tbh they've been pretty poor since he's come back. Sevco don't look like dropping many points either.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I couldn’t care less who wins the league.

I care very much who wins the Scottish Cup next month...

come on Celtic get it together ffs

[Liberal Hibby]

Hearts will be fancying their chances in the final with Lennon in charge

I wouldn't go that far (although I did have the same thought).

Interesting thread though. Lennon and Stubbs have signed exactly the same number of players still with the club 3:3. One won us the holy grail the other promotion and a run in europe.

All managers have an expiry date. It's because players move on, new ones arrive and aren't quite right (regardless of system), other mangers and clubs get wise to how you play or innovate and things move on. The fundamentals remain though. The clubs with the biggest budgets usually rise to the top.

Celtc clearly have the wherewithall to complete last season's treble (probably with Lennon - but if he fails then he's definitely oot) and that could be the catalyst for them to kick on this season. But there is no doubt his coat on a shoogly peg and Celtc may move to get rid sooner rather than later. But if they're miles behind in January he's gone.

Lennon is an icon for a number of deserved reasons - a victim of sectarian agression and someone who has had the courage to talk about mental health issues in a male dominated macho culture like football where weakness of any sort is used against you. Lennon is frusting, brilliant, useless, combatitative, honest and secretive all at the same time.

I'm happy he's not Hibs manager any more but respect what he did at Easter Road. I hope he can find some sort of long term peace - but I suspect that will never happen within 30 miles of Glasgow or Belfast.

As for Gerrard he's just a **** and can **** off.

[Magpie]

I couldn’t care less who wins the league.

I care very much who wins the Scottish Cup next month...

come on Celtic get it together ffs

This

[Magpie]

Lennon loves a siege mentality he knows if he turns it round and wins 10 in a row from the situation he’s in now he will be a god at Celtic

The manner of their defeats and performances suggests it’s starting to look more and more unlikely they will be able to pull through. Their next 3 domestic games before the cup final are all home I think, failure to win all of them and that’s definitely the final nail in the coffin.

[The Modfather]

if i was them id go for o'neil and roy keane

I really hope they go for Roy Keane. Another born winner that’s a a poor manager but entertaining to watch when it’s all falling apart.

[Brightside]

if i was them id go for o'neil and roy keane

😂

[calumhibee1]

I really hope they go for Roy Keane. Another born winner that’s a a poor manager but entertaining to watch when it’s all falling apart.

Roy Keane would be a glorious appointment. Watching him have a meltdown when he can’t compete with Rangers and Gerrard would be hilarious.

[superfurryhibby]

Lennon loves a siege mentality he knows if he turns it round and wins 10 in a row from the situation he’s in now he will be a god at Celtic

Nae chance. He’s getting the sack.

[joebakerforever]

Although Lennon might have choreographed his exit from Hibs in the knowledge that the Celtic vacancy was imminent, and therefore deserves no sympathy for his predicament, I find myself disliking Tom English once more for being a vulture with his latest comments on the BBC.

This guy likes to pontificate on all things football, based on his poor knowledge of the Scottish game.

I'd rather see the "Vulture" dispatched before his prey in this instance.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Although Lennon might have choreographed his exit from Hibs in the knowledge that the Celtic vacancy was imminent, and therefore deserves no sympathy for his predicament, I find myself disliking Tom English once more for being a vulture with his latest comments on the BBC.

This guy likes to pontificate on all things football, based on his poor knowledge of the Scottish game.

I'd rather see the "Vulture" dispatched before his prey in this instance.

Did you hear him use the phrase “how dare you come on here” to Darryl Broadfoot? Cringeworthy listening - his notion of his self-importance is way off the chart and his on-air interview for the position of Hearts Comms manager is tedious and tiresome.

[calumhibee1]

Charlie Adam is suggesting Pochettino for the Celtic job.. the OFs over inflated ego knows no bounds.

[Onceinawhile]

Charlie Adam is suggesting Pochettino for the Celtic job.. the OFs over inflated ego knows no bounds.

Poch is too big a hibs fan to take that job. He's replacing Jack Ross.

Think it's 2 wins in 9 for Lennon, he'll be getting the sack pronto.

He's a dinosaur. Lewis had an interview where he said that Lennon barely ever worked on anything tactical. Just sent the team out on a saturday and said right, we're playing X formation. These are your positions.

Madness in this day and age.

[Northernhibee]

Poch is too big a hibs fan to take that job. He's replacing Jack Ross.

Think it's 2 wins in 9 for Lennon, he'll be getting the sack pronto.

He's a dinosaur. Lewis had an interview where he said that Lennon barely ever worked on anything tactical. Just sent the team out on a saturday and said right, we're playing X formation. These are your positions.

Madness in this day and age.

He'd also expect you to step out of his way if he was walking through a corridor to avoid bumping into each other.

That's not leadership, that's just being an ********.

[Andy74]

He'd also expect you to step out of his way if he was walking through a corridor to avoid bumping into each other.

That's not leadership, that's just being an ********.

Some of you will believe any old **** eh?

[660]

Some of you will believe any old **** eh?

From players who worked under him, I’ll believe a lot.

[Northernhibee]

Some of you will believe any old **** eh?

That came from Lewis Stevenson, on a publicly available podcast.

You'll defend Neil Lennon for anything, eh?

[Since90+2]

That came from Lewis Stevenson, on a publicly available podcast.

You'll defend Neil Lennon for anything, eh?

That's the kind of post that should come with a "game,set and match" emoji.

[stantonhibby]

That came from Lewis Stevenson, on a publicly available podcast.

You'll defend Neil Lennon for anything, eh?

Lewis also said he owed him a lot and he was a top man...prob the same podcast.

[Northernhibee]

Lewis also said he owed him a lot and he was a top man...prob the same podcast.

Also said that there were times he hated him and that there were times the team weren't even given as much as a formation, just the players starting and on the bench and the rest was for them to figure out.

I get the feeling that players, out of a sense of professionalism, have to put a positive face on what they say on these things. The fact that what we heard so many revelations from that podcast was the side that the player will know was due to go out and was to be publicly available is telling.

[calumhibee1]

That came from Lewis Stevenson, on a publicly available podcast.

You'll defend Neil Lennon for anything, eh?

I don’t remember the bit that you mentioned specifically but that podcast didn’t do Lennon any favours. Remember some of the stuff Lewis said about him being really quite atrocious for a manager in modern day football.

Still though, why believe Lewis who worked under him and is honest as the day as long when you could believe the ‘best manager Hibs could ever get’ brigade.

[bigwheel]

I don’t remember the bit that you mentioned specifically but that podcast didn’t do Lennon any favours. Remember some of the stuff Lewis said about him being really quite atrocious for a manager in modern day football.

Still though, why believe Lewis who worked under him and is honest as the day as long when you could believe the ‘best manager Hibs could ever get’ brigade.

Think you need to listen to that again..whilst Lewis have some examples of old skool style ...He said he set different levels of performance with the players and was one of the best managers he had worked for (might have even said the best)

[calumhibee1]

Think you need to listen to that again..whilst Lewis have some examples of old skool style ...He said he set different levels of performance with the players and was one of the best managers he had worked for (might have even said the best)

As I said, some of the stuff, not all of it.

In modern day football Lennons lack of interest in tactics and nutrition is baffling.

[WeeRussell]

What's the alternative though, genuinely? Someone like Brendan Rodgers or a manager of that ilk was a one off for Celtic, they won't get that calibre in the door this time. And even if they do, managers take time to bed in. They can't afford that this season.

I honestly think they are as good as handing the title to Rangers if they sack their manager now. That being said, it's a mammoth task for Lennon to turn it around. Rangers really are flying just now

Good question mate - I don’t know (nor do I care as I hate the pair of them ;)) but I do believe they definitely won’t win the league the way things are.

[we are hibs]

Born winner

[The 90+2]

Decent pundit look forward to him back on the bbc

[calumhibee1]

Born winner

Best manager Hibs have ever had or ever will have. Be careful what you wish for etc.

[Northernhibee]

Give it five years and he’ll be just like Terry Butcher. Dinosaur.

[jacomo]

Best manager Hibs have ever had or ever will have. Be careful what you wish for etc.


Wasn't even as good as the guy he replaced, let alone other managers in our long history.

[jeffers]

Best manager Hibs have ever had or ever will have. Be careful what you wish for etc.

Better than Jock Stein or Eddie Turnbull ?

[calumhibee1]

Wasn't even as good as the guy he replaced, let alone other managers in our long history.

:agree:

[WeeRussell]

Better than Jock Stein or Eddie Turnbull ?

I think he was being somewhat sarcastic.

[calumhibee1]

Better than Jock Stein or Eddie Turnbull ?

Apologies, I maybe should have included the 😂 emoji to show how horrendous a shout that was when people kept telling everyone who would listen that he was the best we could hope for while winning 2 games in 17 or something.

[WeeRussell]

Wasn't even as good as the guy he replaced, let alone other managers in our long history.

100%

[Just_Jimmy]

Best manager Hibs have ever had or ever will have. Be careful what you wish for etc.settle down.

edit just seen your other post.



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[The 90+2]

settle down.

edit just seen your other post.



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He’s taking the piss obviously.

[The 90+2]

Wasn't even as good as the guy he replaced, let alone other managers in our long history.

Stubbsy, Stubbsy 💚

[Tobias Funke]

He’s a fud.

[B.H.F.C]

He surely doesn’t survive this.

[Northernhibee]

Apologies, I maybe should have included the 😂 emoji to show how horrendous a shout that was when people kept telling everyone who would listen that he was the best we could hope for while winning 2 games in 17 or something.

Under Stubbs we had two good years with disappointment along the way but an almighty high. He arrived with a decimated team of journeymen and left us with one of the best midfields in our history and a cup win that gave us record crowds.

Lennon gave us five months of good football, little improvement in points in the second tier but a better league position against weaker opposition but when he did get the team firing in the second half of his second season we were spectacular. He left us in a Butcheresque tailspin of relegation form with an unbalanced team of players with little sell on value and high wages.

Heckingbottom gave us four months of good results but fell apart after that.

Jack Ross is improving us, making us more balanced and adding future value and balance to our squad.

Only Hecky would be behind Lennon in “managers I’d like to see back at Hibs” out of those four.

[Hakim Sar]

The guy won a trophy at Hibs and led us to a record points total whilst then leading us to eliminate a very sold and decent Asteras Tripolis in Europe.

For that reason I think it is quite disrespectful to constantly try to rip the p*** out of him when it suits.

Was he our best ever manager? Don’t be ridiculous. Did he struggle towards the end? Undoubtedly. Did he fluff a couple of Hampden trips? Standard for a Hibs manager.

Glorious to see Celtic struggling, for certain. But I’ll pass sticking the boot into a manager that was very good for us and worked hard for our club.

[jeffers]

Apologies, I maybe should have included the 😂 emoji to show how horrendous a shout that was when people kept telling everyone who would listen that he was the best we could hope for while winning 2 games in 17 or something.

Aha I did wonder. :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

Under Stubbs we had two good years with disappointment along the way but an almighty high. He arrived with a decimated team of journeymen and left us with one of the best midfields in our history and a cup win that gave us record crowds.

Lennon gave us five months of good football, little improvement in points in the second tier but a better league position against weaker opposition but when he did get the team firing in the second half of his second season we were spectacular. He left us in a Butcheresque tailspin of relegation form with an unbalanced team of players with little sell on value and high wages.

Heckingbottom gave us four months of good results but fell apart after that.

Jack Ross is improving us, making us more balanced and adding future value and balance to our squad.

Only Hecky would be behind Lennon in “managers I’d like to see back at Hibs” out of those four.

I was agreeing with most of that until you mentioned Butcheresque relegation form. It was nothing like that. Time was clearly up but we beat Celtic and drew with Rangers twice in the space of ten days only a month before he was gone, although he did lose his last couple of games after that.

[Flanny boy]

The guy won a trophy at Hibs and led us to a record points total whilst then leading us to eliminate a very sold and decent Asteras Tripolis in Europe.

For that reason I think it is quite disrespectful to constantly try to rip the p*** out of him when it suits.

Was he our best ever manager? Don’t be ridiculous. Did he struggle towards the end? Undoubtedly. Did he fluff a couple of Hampden trips? Standard for a Hibs manager.

Glorious to see Celtic struggling, for certain. But I’ll pass sticking the boot into a manager that was very good for us and worked hard for our club.100% correct and a very good post GGTTH

[The Modfather]

Under Stubbs we had two good years with disappointment along the way but an almighty high. He arrived with a decimated team of journeymen and left us with one of the best midfields in our history and a cup win that gave us record crowds.

Lennon gave us five months of good football, little improvement in points in the second tier but a better league position against weaker opposition but when he did get the team firing in the second half of his second season we were spectacular. He left us in a Butcheresque tailspin of relegation form with an unbalanced team of players with little sell on value and high wages.

Heckingbottom gave us four months of good results but fell apart after that.

Jack Ross is improving us, making us more balanced and adding future value and balance to our squad.

Only Hecky would be behind Lennon in “managers I’d like to see back at Hibs” out of those four.

A good summary IMO

[The 90+2]

The guy won a trophy at Hibs and led us to a record points total whilst then leading us to eliminate a very sold and decent Asteras Tripolis in Europe.

For that reason I think it is quite disrespectful to constantly try to rip the p*** out of him when it suits.

Was he our best ever manager? Don’t be ridiculous. Did he struggle towards the end? Undoubtedly. Did he fluff a couple of Hampden trips? Standard for a Hibs manager.

Glorious to see Celtic struggling, for certain. But I’ll pass sticking the boot into a manager that was very good for us and worked hard for our club.

Neil Lennon couldn’t give a **** about Hibernian FC.

[MWHIBBIES]

The guy won a trophy at Hibs and led us to a record points total whilst then leading us to eliminate a very sold and decent Asteras Tripolis in Europe.

For that reason I think it is quite disrespectful to constantly try to rip the p*** out of him when it suits.

Was he our best ever manager? Don’t be ridiculous. Did he struggle towards the end? Undoubtedly. Did he fluff a couple of Hampden trips? Standard for a Hibs manager.

Glorious to see Celtic struggling, for certain. But I’ll pass sticking the boot into a manager that was very good for us and worked hard for our club.

Are we really counting the championship as a trophy? Yikes.

Record points isn't really true. Its the record in 3 points for a win. Kilmarnock equaled that tally a year later with half the budget.

He told his staff not to celebrate Hibs goals against celtic. That to me is embarrassing.

[Just_Jimmy]

Neil Lennon couldn’t give a **** about Hibernian FC.exactly. which is why his current situation is hilarious banter

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[wookie70]

Are we really counting the championship as a trophy? Yikes.

Record points isn't really true. Its the record in 3 points for a win. Kilmarnock equaled that tally a year later with half the budget.

He told his staff not to celebrate Hibs goals against celtic. That to me is embarrassing.Telling anyone in the Hibs family not to celebrate any of goals should be a sackable offence

[.Sean.]

😂😂😂 **** him he could not care less about us. The only folk that still stand up for him on here are the clingy Celtic wannabes. He’s a total car crash. Clueless. He’s as ***** as his broon teeth

[JimBHibees]

Are we really counting the championship as a trophy? Yikes.

Record points isn't really true. Its the record in 3 points for a win. Kilmarnock equaled that tally a year later with half the budget.

He told his staff not to celebrate Hibs goals against celtic. That to me is embarrassing.

Don't believe that for a minute.

[Since452]

Think it's utterly fantastic. Welt of a man

[allmodcons]

Are we really counting the championship as a trophy? Yikes.

Record points isn't really true. Its the record in 3 points for a win. Kilmarnock equaled that tally a year later with half the budget.

He told his staff not to celebrate Hibs goals against celtic. That to me is embarrassing.

There is some real hate and vitriol directed towards Neil Lennon on these boards most of which isn't worth responding to simply because the perpetrators are unbelievably entrenched in their views but this is just unfounded pish.

[we are hibs]

Don't believe that for a minute.


There is some real hate and vitriol directed towards Neil Lennon on these boards most of which isn't worth responding to simply because the perpetrators are unbelievably entrenched in their views but this is just unfounded pish.

It came straight from Lennon's mouth at a Celtic event he attended (as hibs manager which was embarrassing) and was filmed and put on twitter. Was the 2 2 game at parkhead and he said he told his staff to sit down after McGinn's 2 goals.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Wasnt there a poster on this forum who famously called him a fraud and was the butt of all the jokes for a while ? Can't remember his user name unless he changed it

[MWHIBBIES]

Don't believe that for a minute.


There is some real hate and vitriol directed towards Neil Lennon on these boards most of which isn't worth responding to simply because the perpetrators are unbelievably entrenched in their views but this is just unfounded pish.

:faf: He literally said it himself.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/neil-lennon-reveals-celtic-telling-14107763

[Robbo6-2]

It came straight from Lennon's mouth at a Celtic event he attended (as hibs manager which was embarrassing) and was filmed and put on twitter. Was the 2 2 game at parkhead and he said he told his staff to sit down after McGinn's 2 goals.

100% this is true.

He specifically mentioned Gary Parker

[allmodcons]

It came straight from Lennon's mouth at a Celtic event he attended (as hibs manager which was embarrassing) and was filmed and put on twitter. Was the 2 2 game at parkhead and he said he told his staff to sit down after McGinn's 2 goals.

I would respectfully suggest that he was playing to the crowd and joking. He never actually told his staff to sit down it was a joke to his audience on the night in question but if you want to believe it fill your boots.

Some of the ***** people are willing to buy and post as 'fact' on here is incredible.

[calumhibee1]

It came straight from Lennon's mouth at a Celtic event he attended (as hibs manager which was embarrassing) and was filmed and put on twitter. Was the 2 2 game at parkhead and he said he told his staff to sit down after McGinn's 2 goals.

Much like how his fanboys don’t want to believe that he told people they had to step out his way in the corridors at East Mains etc.

Of course it was Lewis Stevenson who is as honest as the day is long and has no reason to lie who told us about it but still, oor Lenny could never be such a welt... :rolleyes:

[cabbageandribs1875]

The guy won a trophy at Hibs and led us to a record points total whilst then leading us to eliminate a very sold and decent Asteras Tripolis in Europe.

For that reason I think it is quite disrespectful to constantly try to rip the p*** out of him when it suits.

Was he our best ever manager? Don’t be ridiculous. Did he struggle towards the end? Undoubtedly. Did he fluff a couple of Hampden trips? Standard for a Hibs manager.

Glorious to see Celtic struggling, for certain. But I’ll pass sticking the boot into a manager that was very good for us and worked hard for our club.


excellent post :agree: some of the hatred/bitterness on this thread is rather unpleasant, the ones enjoying it the most will be the ones that hated neil lennon being at hibs in the first place, but it is funny they couldn't voice their hatred for him whilst he was with hibs :agree: i've never shown bitterness towards ANY ex employee of our club..and never will.

tho i wouldn't get too excited about winning the 2nd tier:greengrin

[calumhibee1]

Neil Lennon couldn’t give a **** about Hibernian FC.

And that right there is all that needs to be said when people so desperately try to defend him.

Manoeuvred his way out of Hibs to get the Celtic job whilst basically throwing games putting Shaw and Lewis Allan up top to get there. Still though, stand up guy, best manager ever, Sir Alex 2.0, be careful what you wish for.

[Sir David Gray]

There is some real hate and vitriol directed towards Neil Lennon on these boards most of which isn't worth responding to simply because the perpetrators are unbelievably entrenched in their views but this is just unfounded pish.

Asked about being an opposition manager at Celtic Park, Lennon admitted: “Yeah. It was a bit strange.

“We played well there with Hibs. You take a moment, and then as soon as the game starts you’re in your role as manager.

“But we scored and made it 2-1 and Parks was jumping up and I said to him ‘Sit down!’

“This was the 2-2 game when John McGinn got two goals. They’re all jumping up and I’m going ‘Sit down’.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3973321/celtic-neil-lennon-celebrate-goals-parkhead/amp/

[calumhibee1]

Asked about being an opposition manager at Celtic Park, Lennon admitted: “Yeah. It was a bit strange.

“We played well there with Hibs. You take a moment, and then as soon as the game starts you’re in your role as manager.

“But we scored and made it 2-1 and Parks was jumping up and I said to him ‘Sit down!’

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3973321/celtic-neil-lennon-celebrate-goals-parkhead/amp/

Still not proof enough. Oor Lenny was just having a laugh and a joke, clearly didn’t happen...

😂

[ballengeich]

Give it five years and he’ll be just like Terry Butcher. Dinosaur.


As I said, some of the stuff, not all of it.

In modern day football Lennons lack of interest in tactics and nutrition is baffling.
That could be his problem. When Deila replaced Lennon he felt the players' fitness was poor and brought in new training methods. Rodgers was reported to have built on that and added scientific measurement techniques used at Liverpool.

The belief on Celtic forums is that Lennon hasn't maintained these, and that his tactics consist of telling the players who's playing and what formation they've to take up. It can work for a while but once things go wrong they can go wrong badly as we've seen in both his last two jobs.

[EI255]

The way things are going, Hearts could well beat them on the 20th December. Two poor teams battling it out. They've every chance.

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[we are hibs]

https://twitter.com/DarrenConway16/status/1333091542236540936?s=09


Looks like Celtic fans arent too keen on Lennon either.

[Sir David Gray]

Still not proof enough. Oor Lenny was just having a laugh and a joke, clearly didn’t happen...

😂

Just in case anyone won't believe/read The Sun;

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/17487926.neil-lennon-going-back-celtic-hibs-boss-like-seeing-someone-else-old-house/

[JimBHibees]

Asked about being an opposition manager at Celtic Park, Lennon admitted: “Yeah. It was a bit strange.

“We played well there with Hibs. You take a moment, and then as soon as the game starts you’re in your role as manager.

“But we scored and made it 2-1 and Parks was jumping up and I said to him ‘Sit down!’

“This was the 2-2 game when John McGinn got two goals. They’re all jumping up and I’m going ‘Sit down’.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3973321/celtic-neil-lennon-celebrate-goals-parkhead/amp/

Looks to me like he was telling Celtic fans what they wanted to hear to ingratiate himself with them.