Neil Lennon

[Magpie]

Don't know if already mentioned but Dan Petrescu being lined up is what I've been told this morning

Wasn’t he linked with them after Rodgers left?

[calumhibee1]

Don't know if already mentioned but Dan Petrescu being lined up is what I've been told this morning

Just hearing his name made me wonder, what happened to his team mate Di Matteo’s managerial career? Good job at MK Dons and WBA, won the Champions League with Chelsea, done alright at Schalke then bombed at Villa and just packed it in.

On paper he’d be someone worth considering if you were Celtic (or even Hibs next time we need a new manager!) but there must be more to it.

Sure he was linked with the Killie job previously.

[tamig]

Wasn’t he linked with them after Rodgers left?

I’m sure he was pimping himself to Celtic a couple of seasons back when his team were drawn against them - maybe Cluj?

[Billy Whizz]

I’m sure he was pimping himself to Celtic a couple of seasons back when his team were drawn against them - maybe Cluj?

There’s no way Celtic will go for someone like him, if Lennon is moved on

[bingo70]

Just hearing his name made me wonder, what happened to his team mate Di Matteo’s managerial career? Good job at MK Dons and WBA, won the Champions League with Chelsea, done alright at Schalke then bombed at Villa and just packed it in.

On paper he’d be someone worth considering if you were Celtic (or even Hibs next time we need a new manager!) but there must be more to it.

Sure he was linked with the Killie job previously.

I think he got absolutely slated for his period at Villa.

Possibly got accused of bullying but I could be getting him confused with someone else?

[calumhibee1]

I think he got absolutely slated for his period at Villa.

Possibly got accused of bullying but I could be getting him confused with someone else?

He did have a shocker at Villa but it was only 12 games. Seems strange that a 12 game period has effectively finished what looked a decent managerial career in the making unless as you say there’s more to it.

[H113EE5]

And nobody else gives a toss !

:agree::agree::agree:

[Carheenlea]

One of the most pleasing aspects of Neil Lennon’s tenure at Easter Road was our avoidance in calling him “Lenny”.

[tamig]

There’s no way Celtic will go for someone like him, if Lennon is moved on

Thats the point Billy. Any links to the Celtic job have all come from Petrescu. Nothing from them to suggest he’s on their wanted list.

[Magpie]

Would Celtic take Nigel Pearson?

[CMurdoch]

Would Celtic take Nigel Pearson?

Yeah .......to play centre half :wink:

[Iggy Pope]

One of the most pleasing aspects of Neil Lennon’s tenure at Easter Road was our avoidance in calling him “Lenny”.

Several hundred from Easter Road avoiding that avoidance one fine night in Tripolis.

https://youtu.be/-0tOtWOu-YA

[tamig]

Several hundred from Easter Road avoiding that avoidance one fine night in Tripolis.

https://youtu.be/-0tOtWOu-YA

Touché 😀

[Snedz]

As long as Celtic roast up the hertz in the SC final I honestly couldn't care less whose in charge of them.

[The 90+2]

Touché 😀

Oh what a night.

[hibsbollah]

Several hundred from Easter Road avoiding that avoidance one fine night in Tripolis.

https://youtu.be/-0tOtWOu-YA

Fake news. We all hate him. Can’t you see the green screen?

[Carheenlea]

Several hundred from Easter Road avoiding that avoidance one fine night in Tripolis.

https://youtu.be/-0tOtWOu-YA

Apart from several hundred in Tripolis it was largely avoided :hilarious

[we are hibs]

2 wins in 10 now.


Almost as bad as his 2 wins in 14 at the end with Hibs.

[Ronniekirk]

2 wins in 10 now.


Almost as bad as his 2 wins in 14 at the end with Hibs.

Another four goals conceded
any team facing them must now fancy Thier chances of scoring Lennon must be under real pressure now to win every game that’s left in December
Failure to win Cup Final would be final straw fir a lot of fans
Interesting few weeks leading up to Christmas’s and then into early new year
Are they really prepared to give him another Transfer Window given some of the dross he has already brought in


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[K-Zazu]

Couldn’t wait to get out of our club now look at him

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Lennon is either the Celtc manager or he is out of football. At the moment, he is one league defeat away from the exit door. No way will that team go all the way to end of the season without dropping more points. Even if he hangs on for a few games, a seeing to in the next OF game will see the end of him.

[jacomo]

Lennon is either the Celtc manager or he is out of football. At the moment, he is one league defeat away from the exit door. No way will that team go all the way to end of the season without dropping more points. Even if he hangs on for a few games, a seeing to in the next OF game will see the end of him.


No doubt, but if they win their two games in hand and the next Old Firm clash, the gap closes to 2 points and Gerrard gets a squeaky arse.

[Northernhibee]

The problem is that Rangers could afford to have a drop in form and still comfortably be the best team in the league. They’ve conceded three goals (two against the mighty Hibees) and have plenty of threat going forward.

Saying “If Celtic win their games in hand and the upcoming derbies” is a bit like saying “If Hibs win every single one of their remaining games this season we’ll win the treble”. It’s technically true and possible but it’s not realistic.

Quite honestly I don’t think the two games in hand are a factor - Celtic are requiring snookers now IMO and they’re not looking as if they’re going to come from anywhere.

It sickens me to say it because it’s them but this Rangers team are outstanding.

[wookie70]

The problem is that Rangers could afford to have a drop in form and still comfortably be the best team in the league. They’ve conceded three goals (two against the mighty Hibees) and have plenty of threat going forward.

Saying “If Celtic win their games in hand and the upcoming derbies” is a bit like saying “If Hibs win every single one of their remaining games this season we’ll win the treble”. It’s technically true and possible but it’s not realistic.

Quite honestly I don’t think the two games in hand are a factor - Celtic are requiring snookers now IMO and they’re not looking as if they’re going to come from anywhere.

It sickens me to say it because it’s them but this Rangers team are outstanding.

I don't think we would win the league if we win every game until the end of the season. The Rangers are streets ahead of the rest

[Andy74]

The problem is that Rangers could afford to have a drop in form and still comfortably be the best team in the league. They’ve conceded three goals (two against the mighty Hibees) and have plenty of threat going forward.

Saying “If Celtic win their games in hand and the upcoming derbies” is a bit like saying “If Hibs win every single one of their remaining games this season we’ll win the treble”. It’s technically true and possible but it’s not realistic.

Quite honestly I don’t think the two games in hand are a factor - Celtic are requiring snookers now IMO and they’re not looking as if they’re going to come from anywhere.

It sickens me to say it because it’s them but this Rangers team are outstanding.

They have been outstanding but how long that continues is another matter. They will get a blip at some point, depends how they manage that.

The games in hand are a factor - Celtic continuing this form over a prolonged period would be pretty unprecedented and so despite Rangers being outstanding and Celtic being poor there really isn't a massive gap which would allow Rangers that many slip ups either.

Celtic winning 3 or 4 games isn't remotely the same as Hibs winning all their games.

They also still have to play each other 3 times?

[calumhibee1]

They have been outstanding but how long that continues is another matter. They will get a blip at some point, depends how they manage that.

The games in hand are a factor - Celtic continuing this form over a prolonged period would be pretty unprecedented and so despite Rangers being outstanding and Celtic being poor there really isn't a massive gap which would allow Rangers that many slip ups either.

Celtic winning 3 or 4 games isn't remotely the same as Hibs winning all their games.

They also still have to play each other 3 times?

On the presumption that Celtic will lose at least another 2 or 3 this season, which with two trips to Ibrox is almost a cert imo then you’re really looking at Rangers having to lose about 5 games. There’s absolutely nothing to suggest they’ll come close to that imo and to be honest, whilst it would still be a surprise, I don’t think it’s outwith the realms of possibility that we could see them go the season unbeaten.

[Northernhibee]

They have been outstanding but how long that continues is another matter. They will get a blip at some point, depends how they manage that.

The games in hand are a factor - Celtic continuing this form over a prolonged period would be pretty unprecedented and so despite Rangers being outstanding and Celtic being poor there really isn't a massive gap which would allow Rangers that many slip ups either.

Celtic winning 3 or 4 games isn't remotely the same as Hibs winning all their games.

They also still have to play each other 3 times?

It’s not just Celtic winning three or four games - they’ll likely have to avoid dropping much more than four or five more points this season to stand any chance of taking the league.

That’s also assuming a blip. That isn’t guaranteed to come.

I should also point out that Rangers are my most disliked club by a distance. Still doesn’t hide how good they are just now.

[matty_f]

They have been outstanding but how long that continues is another matter. They will get a blip at some point, depends how they manage that.

The games in hand are a factor - Celtic continuing this form over a prolonged period would be pretty unprecedented and so despite Rangers being outstanding and Celtic being poor there really isn't a massive gap which would allow Rangers that many slip ups either.

Celtic winning 3 or 4 games isn't remotely the same as Hibs winning all their games.

They also still have to play each other 3 times?

I’m not sure they will blip this season - Brendan Rogers’ first season with Celtic was similar and they were virtually unstoppable.

[calumhibee1]

I’m not sure they will blip this season - Brendan Rogers’ first season with Celtic was similar and they were virtually unstoppable.

There’s a striking similarity with that season. They’re blowing most teams away, not just winning games.

[LeithMike]

I’m not sure they will blip this season - Brendan Rogers’ first season with Celtic was similar and they were virtually unstoppable.Celtic were going into that season as champions though and knew how to get the job done with little competition. Rangers will go into the turn of the year knowing they have faltered badly at this stage in the last two seasons and haven't won the SPL in a long time (or not at all in the view of many).

I'm with Andy74 on this - the league is far from done. Form can collapse very quickly once momentum is lost, particularly if you have faltered before and the pressure builds. If Celtic can put pressure on Rangers they will drop more than enough points so that Celtic can pass them. The question is more whether Celtic can put and keep the pressure on.

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[Magpie]

Patrick Vieira sacked by Nice, he might fancy the Celtic gig if/when it becomes available.

[Jim44]

24125

Green Brigade poster with accompanying statement.

https://twitter.com/ncceltic/status/1334886367478894592?s=21

[jacomo]

Celtic were going into that season as champions though and knew how to get the job done with little competition. Rangers will go into the turn of the year knowing they have faltered badly at this stage in the last two seasons and haven't won the SPL in a long time (or not at all in the view of many).

I'm with Andy74 on this - the league is far from done. Form can collapse very quickly once momentum is lost, particularly if you have faltered before and the pressure builds. If Celtic can put pressure on Rangers they will drop more than enough points so that Celtic can pass them. The question is more whether Celtic can put and keep the pressure on.

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:agree:

The Rangers had a New Year collapse last season. And something similar the season before. And aside from 'that night in Istanbul', Gerrard hasn't actually won very much (and nothing as a manager).

Of course they are looking favourites for the title just now, but to win it they are going to have to overcome a lot. Unless Celtc really are determined to chuck it, of course.

[tamig]

24125

Green Brigade poster with accompanying statement.

https://twitter.com/ncceltic/status/1334886367478894592?s=21

Woe is me. What a pompous bunch they are.

[ancient hibee]

I wish we were so structurally flawed that we won every domestic trophy available.

[Andy74]

Woe is me. What a pompous bunch they are.

It’s pathetic.

[hibsbollah]

I wish we were so structurally flawed that we won every domestic trophy available.

30+consecutive cup tie wins over 4 years isnt enough for them.:confused:
I must always win or ill cry and cry and cry

[Since452]

30+consecutive cup tie wins over 4 years isnt enough for them.:confused:
I must always win or ill cry and cry and cry

Those snowflakes should try supporting Hibs for a few years. Meltdowns after a first cup defeat since the 2016 Scottish Cup semi. Astonishing.

[Clarence]

Woe is me. What a pompous bunch they are.

I know. Makes me heave.

[The Count]

Dont buy into this Huns are a great side.Yes they are decent but Celtic have gone backwards and the Huns seem to be getting a lot of Covid luck as other teams are stripped of players.Also they showed fragility against us when a draw saw them acting like spoilt brats eg International player now manager refusing to shake hands with a young kid.So not convinced they would handle pressure.Unfortunately this season they probably will not have to handle pressure so we will never know.

[matty_f]

Dont buy into this Huns are a great side.Yes they are decent but Celtic have gone backwards and the Huns seem to be getting a lot of Covid luck as other teams are stripped of players.Also they showed fragility against us when a draw saw them acting like spoilt brats eg International player now manager refusing to shake hands with a young kid.So not convinced they would handle pressure.Unfortunately this season they probably will not have to handle pressure so we will never know.

They’re beating most domestic sides comfortably and getting cracking results in Europe. I hate giving them credit but they’re doing exceptionally well this season. We’re into December and they’ve conceded 3 goals i think.

[MWHIBBIES]

Dont buy into this Huns are a great side.Yes they are decent but Celtic have gone backwards and the Huns seem to be getting a lot of Covid luck as other teams are stripped of players.Also they showed fragility against us when a draw saw them acting like spoilt brats eg International player now manager refusing to shake hands with a young kid.So not convinced they would handle pressure.Unfortunately this season they probably will not have to handle pressure so we will never know.

They are setting defensive records. They are a really good side sadly.

[FilipinoHibs]

They are setting defensive records. They are a really good side sadly.

I think they are benefiting from a very weak Celtic side who have dealt badly in the transfer market.

Rangers did not overrun us at ER in the way other Rangers sides have done. They will win the league because of the mess Celtic are in on and off the park.

[Since90+2]

I think they are benefiting from a very weak Celtic side who have dealt badly in the transfer market.

Rangers did not overrun us at ER in the way other Rangers sides have done. They will win the league because of the mess Celtic are in on and off the park.

They've conceded 3 league goals all season. That is an incredible feat regardless of how weak Celtic may be.


They have qualified from their Europa League group with a game to spare and currently sit above Benfica. How weak Celtic are is again irrelevant.

Rangers were absolutely pish when Brendan Rodgers first went to Celtic but that didn't stop that Celtic side being very good. Similarly how pish Celtic are at the moment doesn't stop Rangers from being very good currently.

[JohnM1875]

They've conceded 3 league goals all season. That is an incredible feat regardless of how weak Celtic may be.


They have qualified from their Europa League group with a game to spare and currently sit above Benfica. How weak Celtic are is again irrelevant.

Rangers were absolutely pish when Brendan Rodgers first went to Celtic but that didn't stop that Celtic side being very good. Similarly how pish Celtic are at the moment doesn't stop Rangers from being very good currently.

They've been phenomenal. No doubt about it.

The start of the season they would have been the last team I wanted to win the league. Now I'd prefer them to win it over Celtic given the Celtic fans attitudes the past few weeks. Plus we'd never hear the end of '10 in a row'

That and they're actually good to watch and so far, fully deserve to be top.

[Snedz]

I think they are benefiting from a very weak Celtic side who have dealt badly in the transfer market.

Rangers did not overrun us at ER in the way other Rangers sides have done. They will win the league because of the mess Celtic are in on and off the park.

I agree. Plus Celtic are suffering from reportedly restless players at the club and the Lennon factor of playing unsuitable formations, line ups and tactics has had a huge bearing imo.

[ekhibee]

IMO for Celtic to have any chance of catching whatever that team should legally be called, they will still need to sack Lennon, and quick. I hate one as much as the other, but financially Celtic are well run, much better than the other team, and I can't believe they'll let the current situation continue much longer. But at the end of the day, apart from the fans of the 2 clubs, who cares?

[MWHIBBIES]

I think they are benefiting from a very weak Celtic side who have dealt badly in the transfer market.

Rangers did not overrun us at ER in the way other Rangers sides have done. They will win the league because of the mess Celtic are in on and off the park.

They've not set a defensive record because Celtic are weak. They're good

[calumhibee1]

I think they are benefiting from a very weak Celtic side who have dealt badly in the transfer market.

Rangers did not overrun us at ER in the way other Rangers sides have done. They will win the league because of the mess Celtic are in on and off the park.

Other than one fixture against each other, the standard of Celtic has been completely irrelevant to their performances this season.

I would get the argument if people were saying they were good because they were ahead when both teams had lost 3 or 4 games. But they’ve dropped 4 points out of 45 and have a +38 goal difference. Celtic could be as good as Liverpool but they’d only have been able to impact one of they fifteen games.

[FilipinoHibs]

They've not set a defensive record because Celtic are weak. They're good

I think also the rest of the league is weaker to. Look at our defensive record until recently. We have not suddenly transformed into a world class defensive unit.I watched Rangers recent home against Benfica because of family ties to the latter. Rangers hardly touched the ball and got lucky with a second goal against the run of play. When Benfica exerted some real pressure to save the game, Rangers crumbled and this was a very average Benfica team.

[Sir David Gray]

Dont buy into this Huns are a great side.Yes they are decent but Celtic have gone backwards and the Huns seem to be getting a lot of Covid luck as other teams are stripped of players.Also they showed fragility against us when a draw saw them acting like spoilt brats eg International player now manager refusing to shake hands with a young kid.So not convinced they would handle pressure.Unfortunately this season they probably will not have to handle pressure so we will never know.

I posted this yesterday on another thread but it applies here too;

They've gone more than a third of the season by only losing 3 goals in domestic matches, they have kept 18 clean sheets out of their last 25 competitive matches in all competitions, haven't lost a single game in any of this season's competitions, beat their rivals comfortably away from home, haven't lost a single goal in the league at home and are averaging almost 3 goals per game in the league.

I hate them with a passion but those are some seriously impressive figures.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think also the rest of the league is weaker to. Look at our defensive record until recently. We have not suddenly transformed into a world class defensive unit.I watched Rangers recent home against Benfica because of family ties to the latter. Rangers hardly touched the ball and got lucky with a second goal against the run of play. When Benfica exerted some real pressure to save the game, Rangers crumbled and this was a very average Benfica team.

No doubt the league is weaker. We played in a very weak championship the year we won it. We still didn't get close to a record rangers have right now.

A very average Benfica side who spent 40 million in the summer. 2 draws against them, while likely winning the group, is a good performance.

[Heisenberg]

Rangers have been very good this season, can’t see why there’s even a debate about it.

[G B Young]

I posted this yesterday on another thread but it applies here too;

They've gone more than a third of the season by only losing 3 goals in domestic matches, they have kept 18 clean sheets out of their last 25 competitive matches in all competitions, haven't lost a single game in any of this season's competitions, beat their rivals comfortably away from home, haven't lost a single goal in the league at home and are averaging almost 3 goals per game in the league.

I hate them with a passion but those are some seriously impressive figures.

Yes, no question Gerrard's put his stamp on things and they're now looking an all-round strong side.

I do, however, think that Rangers are likely to have actually benefited (on the playing side) from the absence of fans. In my experience, an Ibrox crowd can be almost as hostile to Rangers as the opposition if things aren't going well. Without that pressure it's arguably easier for them to focus on their gameplan rather than being burdended by the pressure of stopping 10 in a row.

[hibsbollah]

Rangers have been very good this season, can’t see why there’s even a debate about it.

I don’t think there’s much debate about that. My point earlier was that it’s a bit early to start engraving the trophy in December. It’s almost as if everyone’s forgotten that form can fluctuate.

[Iain G]

Rangers have been very good this season, can’t see why there’s even a debate about it.

We aren't halfway through the season yet and lots can happen still, rangers will stumble at some point and Celtic will win the majority of their games, especially if they get rid on Lennon. They are also out of Europe while rangers will be engaged in further European games. And Hibs and Aberdeen will take points off both I suspect.

Too early to call it!

[Since90+2]

We aren't halfway through the season yet and lots can happen still, rangers will stumble at some point and Celtic will win the majority of their games, especially if they get rid on Lennon. They are also out of Europe while rangers will be engaged in further European games. And Hibs and Aberdeen will take points off both I suspect.

Too early to call it!

There's no guarantee Rangers will stumble. We are into December and they haven't lost a competitive game this season.

Celtic will need to win almost all their games between now and end of the season to win the league. That's not happening.

[Magpie]

I don’t think there’s much debate about that. My point earlier was that it’s a bit early to start engraving the trophy in December. It’s almost as if everyone’s forgotten that form can fluctuate.

Celtic will be 5 points behind if they win their 2 games in hand with each other still to play 3 times. No league title has ever been won in December as you say. It’s fair to say Rangers look the favourites, but 9 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss is not bad for a team who are at their lowest right now.

[calumhibee1]

We aren't halfway through the season yet and lots can happen still, rangers will stumble at some point and Celtic will win the majority of their games, especially if they get rid on Lennon. They are also out of Europe while rangers will be engaged in further European games. And Hibs and Aberdeen will take points off both I suspect.

Too early to call it!

That’s a lot of definite scenarios that need to happen that are the total opposite of everything that’s happened so far - or at least recently anyway, I realise Celtic have over the piece won the majority of their games

[Smartie]

Most teams in Scotland are believing the hype and are beaten before a ball is kicked.

Benfica and Standard Liege are not amongst the finest teams in Europe. How many goals has the impregnable Rangers defence lost in games against them?

Celtic are having a dire season. Aberdeen wilt in the face of the OF. Jack Ross has a very mixed record in big games yet got us scoring two and taking points off them, - and look at some of the pissing and moaning that went on about minor provocation after that one. They’ve also been relatively fortunate in the Covidiot stakes where others have not.

They probably have enough to win a very poor Scottish league. When they play Hibs, I think they look immense going forward zipping the ball about with pace. I don’t see the unstoppable footballing machine that others do and I still question whether or not they have the bottle to come through adversity.

[FilipinoHibs]

Most teams in Scotland are believing the hype and are beaten before a ball is kicked.

Benfica and Standard Liege are not amongst the finest teams in Europe. How many goals has the impregnable Rangers defence lost in games against them?

Celtic are having a dire season. Aberdeen wilt in the face of the OF. Jack Ross has a very mixed record in big games yet got us scoring two and taking points off them, - and look at some of the pissing and moaning that went on about minor provocation after that one. They’ve also been relatively fortunate in the Covidiot stakes where others have not.

They probably have enough to win a very poor Scottish league. When they play Hibs, I think they look immense going forward zipping the ball about with pace. I don’t see the unstoppable footballing machine that others do and I still question whether or not they have the bottle to come through adversity.

😀

[The 90+2]

Benfica spent £85m in the summer.

[calumhibee1]

Benfica spent £85m in the summer.

:agree:

A team that spent £85m in one transfer window and has a stack of Portugal internationals, the Belgian and Argentinian centre half’s etc are getting talked down so much purely to try and suggest Rangers aren’t actually very good. They brought a Germany international off the bench on Thursday who made 171 Dortmund appearances by the time he was 24.

Folk are really reaching now. Apparently teams are already beaten by hype nowadays. We need to get ourselves a hype man.

[The 90+2]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 hype man.

[ballengeich]

Another four goals conceded
any team facing them must now fancy their chances of scoring

There are eighty teams playing in the group stage of the Europa or Champions League. After five games seventy-nine of them have conceded fewer goals than Celtic.

[Ronniekirk]

There are eighty teams playing in the group stage of the Europa or Champions League. After five games seventy-nine of them have conceded fewer goals than Celtic.

Compelling statistic mate


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[MWHIBBIES]

Benfica spent £85m in the summer.

Christ, right enough. 40 million was only on 2 wingers.

[Keith_M]

After today's results, I can't see him lasting much longer.

[we are hibs]

After today's results, I can't see him lasting much longer.

Celtic fans should realise how lucky they are to have a manager like Lennon.


They will never get someone as good as him again.

[heretoday]

He'll have to go noo.

[Stuart93]

Neil Lennon is a born winner I’ve heard?

[CraigHibee]

He'll have to go noo.

Hope he stays 🤣

[Since452]

Wonder if he'll reconsider his position. Celtic not matching his ambitions.

[bingo70]

I’ve dismissed the Jack Ross to Celtic rumour before but if Celtic decide they want someone who knows the Scottish league currently and able to hit the ground running who are the alternative candidates?

[The 90+2]

I’ve dismissed the Jack Ross to Celtic rumour before but if Celtic decide they want someone who knows the Scottish league currently and able to hit the ground running who are the alternative candidates?


Martin ONeil, Stachan or Alan Stubbs.

[Keith_M]

Wonder if he'll reconsider his position. Celtic not matching his ambitions.


Yeah, it must be really disappointing for him.

If we're really lucky, we could maybe tempt him back to Hibs.

[hibsbollah]

I’ve dismissed the Jack Ross to Celtic rumour before but if Celtic decide they want someone who knows the Scottish league currently and able to hit the ground running who are the alternative candidates?

John Robertson, Terry Butcher, Jimmy Calderwood.

[The 90+2]

Wonder if he'll reconsider his position. Celtic not matching his ambitions.


Well he did say he would take Hibernian into the champions league :greengrin

[Keith_M]

John Robertson, Terry Butcher, Jimmy Calderwood.


And Craig Levein?

[wookie70]

I’ve dismissed the Jack Ross to Celtic rumour before but if Celtic decide they want someone who knows the Scottish league currently and able to hit the ground running who are the alternative candidates?

They may want Jack Ross to try and make sure we don't overtake them into second.

[Borderhibbie76]

Well he did say he would take Hibernian into the champions league :greengrin

Haha maybe staying true to his word after all

[CapitalGreen]

I’ve dismissed the Jack Ross to Celtic rumour before but if Celtic decide they want someone who knows the Scottish league currently and able to hit the ground running who are the alternative candidates?

Robbie Nielson 🤣🤣

[hibsbollah]

And Craig Levein?

Dick Dastardly has won more silverware than Craig.

[Billy Whizz]

I could he wrong, but think they might give him to the Cup Final

[Onion]

I’ve dismissed the Jack Ross to Celtic rumour before but if Celtic decide they want someone who knows the Scottish league currently and able to hit the ground running who are the alternative candidates?

Find the Jack Ross to Celtic thing laughable. There’s not a chance JR has the stature to take on the current Celtic task, 10IAR, Champs League football etc. The MSM are bedazzled by Hibs. If JR was with any other team, he wouldn’t have a look in.

[Keith_M]

They might want to change the words...


https://youtu.be/7CjLhmCg_9s

How about...


:singing:

"There it goes,
Ten in a row!"

[bingo70]

Find the Jack Ross to Celtic thing laughable. There’s not a chance JR has the stature to take on the current Celtic task, 10IAR, Champs League football etc. The MSM are bedazzled by Hibs. If JR was with any other team, he wouldn’t have a look in.

I agree. I don’t think he’s ready for that job either.

I think the point I’m making though is that Celtic may want someone in pretty much instantly, they can’t afford to wait 2 or 3 weeks to find the right person. Similarly they can’t afford for the new manager to take a month or two to learn about the Scottish league.

If you add to that the fact they might be watching their cash due to Covid and the possible glowing reference form Rodgers, I’m not sure the idea that Ross could go there is as unrealistic as it may seem at first.

[Since452]

What about Kennedy? He was being touted as a young tactical genius not long ago and were desperate to keep him.

[Since90+2]

I agree. I don’t think he’s ready for that job either.

I think the point I’m making though is that Celtic may want someone in pretty much instantly, they can’t afford to wait 2 or 3 weeks to find the right person. Similarly they can’t afford for the new manager to take a month or two to learn about the Scottish league.

If you add to that the fact they might be watching their cash due to Covid and the possible glowing reference form Rodgers, I’m not sure the idea that Ross could go there is as unrealistic as it may seem at first.

The other view they might take is that the league is pretty much gone now. It looks very unlikely Celtic will be able to catch Rangers.

In that case they may want someone who will be viewed as a long term replacement that the fans can get behind to win back the league next season and advance them in Europe. Jack Ross doesn't fit that mould and I think it's the more likely of the two scenarios.

[green day]

I could he wrong, but think they might give him to the Cup Final

Thats what Pat Bonner says, probably right.

Rangers assumption right now is the league is theirs to lose - correctly.

Celtic board is probably looking for a replacement right now, they give Lennon the chance to "redeem" himself in the cup final, he walks away afterwards (assuming he wins) with reputation vaguely intact and new guy comes in with a free hit and shedloads of cash in January?

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Find the Jack Ross to Celtic thing laughable. There’s not a chance JR has the stature to take on the current Celtic task, 10IAR, Champs League football etc. The MSM are bedazzled by Hibs. If JR was with any other team, he wouldn’t have a look in.



Agree with all that, but if the Celtc PR machine, floats or at least doesn't deny any rumour, it could be a useful distraction piece to unsettle us at a time when we could be in a position to challenge for second.

[bingo70]

The other view they might take is that the league is pretty much gone now. It looks very unlikely Celtic will be able to catch Rangers.

In that case they may want someone who will be viewed as a long term replacement that the fans can get behind to win back the league next season and advance them in Europe. Jack Ross doesn't fit that mould and I think it's the more likely of the two scenarios.

Yes, I suspect you are right.

I’m just trying to play devils advocate as to why it might not be as mad as it seems.

[Northernhibee]

"I'm really disappointed with the result and aspects of the performance. We dominated the game possession-wise again but we looked tentative. I understand that to a certain degree but they need to rise above that."

Interesting use of the word "they". Does make it sound like there's a divide between manager and the team.

[Crab apple]

I think they’ll keep him until cup final and then get rid if there’s a decent replacement available. Failing that maybe Kennedy as a caretaker until the summer. They’ll already be sounding out a list of replacements. The league is gone so whoever comes in will be tasked with sorting things out and making sure they are challenging again next season.

[3pm]

Another Parkhead protest?

[Real Emerald]

"I'm really disappointed with the result and aspects of the performance. We dominated the game possession-wise again but we looked tentative. I understand that to a certain degree but they need to rise above that."

Interesting use of the word "they". Does make it sound like there's a divide between manager and the team.

Probably more to do with separating the players from him and dumping the blame on them. He is quite good at that.

[The 90+2]

Celtic boss Neil Lennon's frustrations boil over in BBC interview as he's quizzed on future (thescottishsun.co.uk) (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/6372592/celtic-neil-lennon-bbc-interview/)

Always someone else's fault.

[bingo70]

I think they’ll keep him until cup final and then get rid if there’s a decent replacement available. Failing that maybe Kennedy as a caretaker until the summer. They’ll already be sounding out a list of replacements. The league is gone so whoever comes in will be tasked with sorting things out and making sure they are challenging again next season.

I don’t think they’ll concede the league is gone yet.

Still three Glasgow derbies left and they’ll be banking on Rangers having a wobble at some point.

I know it’s looking unlikely at the moment but I doubt Celtic will be writing it off just yet.

[Sir David Gray]

It's all kicking off.

https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/1335651765614678016?s=19

[Sir David Gray]

And here.

https://twitter.com/ShawlandsLim/status/1335648705228238848?s=09

[FilipinoHibs]

It's all kicking off.

https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/1335651765614678016?s=19

The world's best fans. You can depend on them.

[Northernhibee]

And here.

https://twitter.com/ShawlandsLim/status/1335648705228238848?s=09

Getting more than tired of this. I have family in Anstruther and all they keep hearing is west coast accents from people up for the day or the weekend despite orders not to. We have idiots congregating and causing trouble because of football. These areas need to get their ****ing house in order as it affects us all.

[Bostonhibby]

The world's best fans. You can depend on them.They'll just be celebrating stopping the rot by snatching a point from a half decent st Johnstone side.

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[calumhibee1]

The world's best fans. You can depend on them.

The worlds best fans going raj at the worlds best manager.

2020 sure has been crazy. Don’t they know he’s a born winner? He’s the best manager anyone could ever hope of getting.

[easty]

The worlds best fans going raj at the worlds best manager.

2020 sure has been crazy. Don’t they know he’s a born winner? He’s the best manager anyone could ever hope of getting.

Are you capable of dropping the sarcastic “born winner” chat for 5 mins? Tedious.

[hhibs]

Getting more than tired of this. I have family in Anstruther and all they keep hearing is west coast accents from people up for the day or the weekend despite orders not to. We have idiots congregating and causing trouble because of football. These areas need to get their ****ing house in order as it affects us all.


Beyond selfish idiots,absolute self entitled swine.the lowest of the low.IMO

[ABZHFC]

I am glad he is being found out, hope he never has another job in management again

[calumhibee1]

Are you capable of dropping the sarcastic “born winner” chat for 5 mins? Tedious.

Never. It was tedious hearing such a ridiculous claim when he was dragging us down, it can be tedious now as well. If you don’t want to hear it then a Neil Lennon thread about the born winner himself isn’t the place to come.

[Northernhibee]

Never. It was tedious hearing such a ridiculous claim when he was dragging us down, it can be tedious now as well.

Also not heard from the weird Lennon FC posters who kept using to respond to my posts (half of the time nothing even to do with the manager) with stuff like "But you don't like Neil Lennon" or "embarrasing for you to pretend enjoying Hibs winning" in the second half of his second season with us for quite some time.

[calumhibee1]

Also not heard from the weird Lennon FC posters who kept using to respond to my posts (half of the time nothing even to do with the manager) with stuff like "But you don't like Neil Lennon" or "embarrasing for you to pretend enjoying Hibs winning" in the second half of his second season with us for quite some time.

You should have just shut up and been appreciative that you got to witness such greatness.

[Northernhibee]

You should have just shut up and been appreciative that you got to witness such greatness.

I'm surprised he's not celebrating drawing today, like he did twice with us. Maybe he could pretend to be an aeroplane again.

[Bostonhibby]

Never. It was tedious hearing such a ridiculous claim when he was dragging us down, it can be tedious now as well. If you don’t want to hear it then a Neil Lennon thread about the born winner himself isn’t the place to come.I do tend to see where you're coming from, but for a non winner he does appear to have won quite a bit as a player, I'm a bit meh about his managerial accomplishments as with that celtc team in that era my dog probably could have managed them to the titles as well.

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[CMurdoch]

It's all kicking off.

https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/1335651765614678016?s=19

The Tracksuited Massive :wink:

[Bostonhibby]

The Tracksuited Massive :wink:[emoji16]

Is that the Sports Direct Xmas advert?

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[jacomo]

I think they’ll keep him until cup final and then get rid if there’s a decent replacement available. Failing that maybe Kennedy as a caretaker until the summer. They’ll already be sounding out a list of replacements. The league is gone so whoever comes in will be tasked with sorting things out and making sure they are challenging again next season.


They can’t be seen to be giving up on 10IAR. The fans will be even more revolting if that happens.

[Glory Lurker]

I am now getting ill at the thought of the Final. Hearts winning the Cup at Christmas would be 2020 in a box.

[Northernhibee]

I'm also thinking that if I'm the agent of Christie, McGregor, Edouard etc. then I'm looking to get them out of the club before they have that stigma of a team who cost a record equalling league winning streak attached to them.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm also thinking that if I'm the agent of Christie, McGregor, Edouard etc. then I'm looking to get them out of the club before they have that stigma of a team who cost a record equalling league winning streak attached to them.

If I’m their agent I’m telling them to get their finger out or they’ll no be getting any move.

Especially Edouard, he looks completely disinterested.

[Centre Hawf]

I'm also thinking that if I'm the agent of Christie, McGregor, Edouard etc. then I'm looking to get them out of the club before they have that stigma of a team who cost a record equalling league winning streak attached to them.

If i'm a Celtic player who has half a chance at moving in January I'm away. No danger am I sticking around for the return of fans and being a Celtic player when Rangers lift the title.

[Hillsidehibby]

I am now getting ill at the thought of the Final. Hearts winning the Cup at Christmas would be 2020 in a box.
This

[Hibby70]

Were they chasing the bus so they could lick the windaes

[WoreTheGreen]

Is it true because Celtc are such a bomb scare at the back the young team have been rebranded ‘the green grenade”

[Northernhibee]

If I’m their agent I’m telling them to get their finger out or they’ll no be getting any move.


Thing is, they all have enough of a reputation to get a move and the job of motivating the team falls to the manager, especially when he's not the one it appears who deals with tactics.

[easty]

Never. It was tedious hearing such a ridiculous claim when he was dragging us down, it can be tedious now as well. If you don’t want to hear it then a Neil Lennon thread about the born winner himself isn’t the place to come.

I don’t think I was ever in the “born winner” brigade, and I do think we were right to get rid of him, but he does have, for want of a better term, a “born winner” attitude about him. He did as a player, and is it something you lose?

If Scott Brown went into management, I’d describe him as a born winner, and if he failed as a manager, I’d not particularly feel I had to change that description.

(I did actually have Scott as manager of an amateur side for a good few years, he was great).

[B.H.F.C]

Thing is, they all have enough of a reputation to get a move and the job of motivating the team falls to the manager, especially when he's not the one it appears who deals with tactics.

Players need to taken some responsibility. Lennon has his obvious faults but there is no danger those players are giving everything.

They’ll all get moves if they want them but it won’t be the move they could have got if they keep playing as they are.

[Northernhibee]

I don’t think I was ever in the “born winner” brigade, and I do think we were right to get rid of him, but he does have, for want of a better term, a “born winner” attitude about him. He did as a player, and is it something you lose?

If Scott Brown went into management, I’d describe him as a born winner, and if he failed as a manager, I’d not particularly feel I had to change that description.

(I did actually have Scott as manager of an amateur side for a good few years, he was great).

TBH I don't see that in him. Anyone I've seen who I would describe as a "born winner" is comfortable enough to admit mistake and has a "buck stops with them" attitude, even sometimes when it isn't merited. I always felt that Alan Stubbs had that about him and was disappointed with how he handled a few of the bad results at Rotherham.

He's a manager who's had the fortune of getting some big jobs with teams around him that have allowed him to have success, but I don't correlate "hatred of losing" with "winning mentality" unless they have the aforementioned mentality of admitting error and taking the blame where it's needed.

[calumhibee1]

I don’t think I was ever in the “born winner” brigade, and I do think we were right to get rid of him, but he does have, for want of a better term, a “born winner” attitude about him. He did as a player, and is it something you lose?

If Scott Brown went into management, I’d describe him as a born winner, and if he failed as a manager, I’d not particularly feel I had to change that description.

(I did actually have Scott as manager of an amateur side for a good few years, he was great).

He’s angry. That’s about the only reason people say he’s a born winner.

One of his team mates, Henrik Larsson won a good bit more than him as a player. When the chips were down he more often than not delivered and found a way to win. He never ran about stamping on folk and looking like he was about to burst a blood vessel though so he doesn’t get described as a ‘born winner’.

It’s no coincidence that the only folk that get described as ‘born winners’ are folk that are raging 99% of the time - like your Scott Brown example or Roy Keane.

[Billy Whizz]

I'm also thinking that if I'm the agent of Christie, McGregor, Edouard etc. then I'm looking to get them out of the club before they have that stigma of a team who cost a record equalling league winning streak attached to them.

Think Christie wants away, out of contact at the end of next season, and doesn’t seem too keen on extending it

[calumhibee1]

TBH I don't see that in him. Anyone I've seen who I would describe as a "born winner" is comfortable enough to admit mistake and has a "buck stops with them" attitude, even sometimes when it isn't merited. I always felt that Alan Stubbs had that about him and was disappointed with how he handled a few of the bad results at Rotherham.

He's a manager who's had the fortune of getting some big jobs with teams around him that have allowed him to have success, but I don't correlate "hatred of losing" with "winning mentality" unless they have the aforementioned mentality of admitting error and taking the blame where it's needed.

Yup. There’s a lot more than being a winner than shouting at folk and saying you’ll not accept anything less than the best. You need to find a way to deliver.

[easty]

He’s angry. That’s about the only reason people say he’s a born winner.

One of his team mates, Henrik Larsson won a good bit more than him as a player. When the chips were down he more often than not delivered and found a way to win. He never ran about stamping on folk and looking like he was about to burst a blood vessel though so he doesn’t get described as a ‘born winner’.

It’s no coincidence that the only folk that get described as ‘born winners’ are folk that are raging 99% of the time - like your Scott Brown example or Roy Keane.

Larsson was miles a better footballer. If you have to be at Larsson’s level before you can potentially be classed under “born winner” then there aren’t many about.

You’re right about the sort of player that gets described as it though.

[Scott Allan Key]

The problem is that Rangers could afford to have a drop in form and still comfortably be the best team in the league. They’ve conceded three goals (two against the mighty Hibees) and have plenty of threat going forward.

Saying “If Celtic win their games in hand and the upcoming derbies” is a bit like saying “If Hibs win every single one of their remaining games this season we’ll win the treble”. It’s technically true and possible but it’s not realistic.

Quite honestly I don’t think the two games in hand are a factor - Celtic are requiring snookers now IMO and they’re not looking as if they’re going to come from anywhere.

It sickens me to say it because it’s them but this Rangers team are outstanding.I'm figuring you're a youngster ;).

There have been a lot better Rangers teams than the one now. The standard of Celtic is appalling right now. I think Gerrard is getting excellent performances from merely good players. We've had much better Hibs teams in 90's and '00's than we do now, like Rangers.

In fact a Bobby Williamson Hibs side beat a Rangers side that was much better than Gerrard's, player wise. I do think that Gerrard is going to be a very good manager in the long run, not just for Rangers.

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[Northernhibee]

Yup. There’s a lot more than being a winner than shouting at folk and saying you’ll not accept anything less than the best. You need to find a way to deliver.

John McGinn is a born winner. Honest with himself, unrelentingly positive mindset, the first on the training pitch and the last off it and never gives anything but his best. Committed to improving and getting better about what he does.

I see the same traits in Kevin Nisbet too.

[calumhibee1]

John McGinn is a born winner. Honest with himself, unrelentingly positive mindset, the first on the training pitch and the last off it and never gives anything but his best. Committed to improving and getting better about what he does.

I see the same traits in Kevin Nisbet too.

McGinn is a very good example :agree:

[Northernhibee]

I'm figuring you're a youngster ;).

There have been a lot better Rangers teams than the one now. The standard of Celtic is appalling right now. I think Gerrard is getting excellent performances from merely good players. We've had much better Hibs teams in 90's and '00's than we do now, like Rangers.

In fact a Bobby Williamson Hibs side beat a Rangers side that was much better than Gerrard's, player wise. I do think that Gerrard is going to be a very good manager in the long run, not just for Rangers.

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Celtic and Rangers have only played each other once this season, their success in the league and in Europe so far this season has next to nothing to do with how good they are playing just now. I remember the Rangers sides of the nineties and given there's less money in Scottish football now, as much as I can't stand Rangers I'm hugely impressed with what they're doing this season.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They are reaping the whirlwind now. Ridiculous he is still there, IMHO, and ten-in-a-row is looking impossible. Everyone can see it's the end of the road.

[greenlex]

I'm figuring you're a youngster ;).

There have been a lot better Rangers teams than the one now. The standard of Celtic is appalling right now. I think Gerrard is getting excellent performances from merely good players. We've had much better Hibs teams in 90's and '00's than we do now, like Rangers.

In fact a Bobby Williamson Hibs side beat a Rangers side that was much better than Gerrard's, player wise. I do think that Gerrard is going to be a very good manager in the long run, not just for Rangers.

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He maybe a youngster or not. I don’t know. I’m certainly not. He’s not wrong in what he’s saying. Whether Rangers have had better sides/players in the past is neither here nor there. They are on current form miles ahead of everyone else in Scotland right now. They are very impressive. They will win the league at a canter and are certainly favourites to clean up in the cups too.

[Scott Allan Key]

Celtic and Rangers have only played each other once this season, their success in the league and in Europe so far this season has next to nothing to do with how good they are playing just now. I remember the Rangers sides of the nineties and given there's less money in Scottish football now, as much as I can't stand Rangers I'm hugely impressed with what they're doing this season.Rangers won't get to the semi-final of the Champions League next year or Europa League final this year like past outstanding teams of theirs in last 30 years. Does no-one remember the Bayer Leverkusen result?

I put their performance in Scotland this year purely down to the paucity of funds for stretched Premiership teams in the Covid 19 era. There's no way their team is outstanding in that context given their relative wealth.

The teams they've played in Europe who've scored against them or taken points off them aren't great shakes in this season's competition.

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[Northernhibee]

Rangers won't get to the semi-final of the Champions League next year or Europa League final this year like past outstanding teams of theirs in last 30 years. Does no-one remember the Bayer Leverkusen result?

I put their performance in Scotland this year purely down to the paucity of funds for stretched Premiership teams in the Covid 19 era. There's no way their team is outstanding in that context given their relative wealth.

The teams they've played in Europe who've scored against them or taken points off them aren't great shakes in this season's competition.

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Benfica spent £85m in the summer and they're likely to finish ahead of them in their group. I'd imagine that Celtic are unlikely to have any less of a wage budget than Rangers (indeed they may be paying more in wages).

None of what you're really saying adds up - we're talking about just now, not thirty years ago, and in Europe and domestically they're a really excellent team with good players, good depth, well coached and some fantastic results.

[calumhibee1]

Rangers won't get to the semi-final of the Champions League next year or Europa League final this year like past outstanding teams of theirs in last 30 years. Does no-one remember the Bayer Leverkusen result?

I put their performance in Scotland this year purely down to the paucity of funds for stretched Premiership teams in the Covid 19 era. There's no way their team is outstanding in that context given their relative wealth.

The teams they've played in Europe who've scored against them or taken points off them aren't great shakes in this season's competition.

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Benfica spent 80 odd million this summer and on top of that signed Vertonghen who is the record cap holder (and still plays) for the best international team in the world.

They’re a good side.

[greenlex]

Rangers won't get to the semi-final of the Champions League next year or Europa League final this year like past outstanding teams of theirs in last 30 years. Does no-one remember the Bayer Leverkusen result?

I put their performance in Scotland this year purely down to the paucity of funds for stretched Premiership teams in the Covid 19 era. There's no way their team is outstanding in that context given their relative wealth.

The teams they've played in Europe who've scored against them or taken points off them aren't great shakes in this season's competition.

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This Rangers team would wipe the floor with the 2008 Rangers team. One free flowing positive and plenty goals. The other your archetypical defensive boring one nil winners. Anyway enough. I feel physically sick praising these ****ers once never mind two or three times in one day!!!

[Callum_62]

I know we don't like rangers but you have to be wearing a massive blinker to do anything but praise what they have done so far this season

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[Northernhibee]

This Rangers team would wipe the floor with the 2008 Rangers team. One free flowing positive and plenty goals. The other your archetypical defensive boring one nil winners. Anyway enough. I feel physically sick praising these ****ers once never mind two or three times a day!!!

I've had to learn to seperate the club and the football being played as I really enjoy watching them but can't stand them with a passion - my most disliked club in football.

[Lancs Harp]

Benfica spent 80 odd million this summer and on top of that signed Vertonghen who is the record cap holder (and still plays) for the best international team in the world.

They’re a good side.

Said this a few times on other threads. As someone who follows Benfica, they are very much a team in transition. Spent £85 million sure but got £50 odd milion for Ruben Diaz and sold a few other players as well. The locals certainly ae not that happy. This is far from a Benfica side their fans expect. That said Im in the camp that think Rangers are performing very well and more than held their own in Europe this season. They are streets ahead of Celtic who need a complete rebuild, I'll take anyones money who thinks Celtic will win the league this season. I'll also take anyones money who thinks my Benfica will win the Portuguese league.

[calumhibee1]

Said this a few times on other threads. As someone who follows Benfica, they are very much a team in transition. Spent £85 million sure but got £50 odd milion for Ruben Diaz and sold a few other players as well. The locals certainly ae not that happy. This is far from a Benfica side their fans expect. That said Im in the camp that think Rangers are performing very well and more than held their own in Europe this season. They are streets ahead of Celtic who need a complete rebuild, I'll take anyones money who thinks Celtic will win the league this season. I'll also take anyones money who thinks my Benfica will win the Portuguese league.

That’s interesting.

You didn’t buy any chance used to/still work for Loomis btw? :greengrin

[LeithMike]

The worlds best fans going raj at the worlds best manager.

2020 sure has been crazy. Don’t they know he’s a born winner? He’s the best manager anyone could ever hope of getting.Has Lennon actually described himself as a born winner? I dont think there is any such thing and the more accurate phrase is probably bad loser. Lennon is definitely of that ilk - he really hates losing and uses it to drive his teams - works well when things are going well but not so much when the chips are down. Probably the paradigm of born winner/bad loser is Roy Keane - watching him speak he has such disdain for players who settle for second best.

Have to say I like both. Lennon could probably use some time out. Would be a good pundit down South but you get the feeling he needs something all absorbing in his life.

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[calumhibee1]

Has Lennon actually described himself as a born winner? I dont think there is any such thing and the more accurate phrase is probably bad loser. Lennon is definitely of that ilk - he really hates losing and uses it to drive his teams - works well when things are going well but not so much when the chips are down. Probably the paradigm of born winner/bad loser is Roy Keane - watching him speak he has such disdain for players who settle for second best.

Have to say I like both. Lennon could probably use some time out. Would be a good pundit down South but you get the feeling he needs something all absorbing in his life.

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Don’t disagree with that. The born winner thing is a nonsense imo.

In the opposite to you - I hate Roy Keane :greengrin

[Lancs Harp]

That’s interesting.

You didn’t buy any chance used to/still work for Loomis btw? :greengrin

No not me mate.

[Lancs Harp]

Don’t disagree with that. The born winner thing is a nonsense imo.

In the opposite to you - I hate Roy Keane :greengrin

I'd describe Lennon as being competitive, thats different to being a born winner. What Celtics current situation for me is showing as far as their management is concerned is a lack of tactical nous. I think we saw a bit of that in his time with us. Celtic need to rebuild now, NL isnt the man to do that.

[LeithMike]

I'd describe Lennon as being competitive, thats different to being a born winner. What Celtics current situation for me is showing as far as their management is concerned is a lack of tactical nous. I think we saw a bit of that in his time with us. Celtic need to rebuild now, NL isnt the man to do that.I think Lennon will be gone this week with Martin O'Neill coming in until the end of the season (although not sure if their friendship would affect that).

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[The Modfather]

Has Lennon actually described himself as a born winner? I dont think there is any such thing and the more accurate phrase is probably bad loser. Lennon is definitely of that ilk - he really hates losing and uses it to drive his teams - works well when things are going well but not so much when the chips are down. Probably the paradigm of born winner/bad loser is Roy Keane - watching him speak he has such disdain for players who settle for second best.

Have to say I like both. Lennon could probably use some time out. Would be a good pundit down South but you get the feeling he needs something all absorbing in his life.

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I quite like Roy Keane as a pundit, although he plays to his image at times and can be a bit of a self parody. He does also seem a narcissist at times though. He did an Irish show with Gary Neville and talked about his poor relationship with Jon Walters, which isn’t unusual, but he then made fun of him for crying in a TV interview. He was actually crying as his wife had a miscarriage and his brother died, both within days of each other. That was particularly nasty and I lost a lot of respect for him.

[we are hibs]

Celtic fans dont seem to understand that 10 in a row is only a big thing in both themselves and Rangers fans wee bubble. Neither set of players outside the few diehard fans that play for both will really give a **** about the "significance" of this season. They will obviously want to win the league but its not the end of the world for either if they dont. They will move on in their career.

[LeithMike]

I quite like Roy Keane as a pundit, although he plays to his image at times and can be a bit of a self parody. He does also seem a narcissist at times though. He did an Irish show with Gary Neville and talked about his poor relationship with Jon Walters, which isn’t unusual, but he then made fun of him for crying in a TV interview. He was actually crying as his wife had a miscarriage and his brother died, both within days of each other. That was particularly nasty and I lost a lot of respect for him.Watched that too. He carries a lot of demons. Great guy to have in your corner - not so great to be up against. A bit like on the football park. Genuinely seems a brave guy and stands up against injustice but has a blind spot for some of the things he has done.

I guess I like people who were their hearts on their sleeves rather than those that put on a publicly acceptable image.

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[K-Zazu]

Celtic board waiting for just before the hearts game to sack him? New manager bounce etc

[Hibernia&Alba]

I know we don't like rangers but you have to be wearing a massive blinker to do anything but praise what they have done so far this season

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Yes, they have been outstanding. It's particularly impressive when you think Gerrard was under pressure when last season was abandoned. They were struggling.

As for Lennon, now the board have backed him, they can't sack him so soon, which is incredible incredible mismanagement from them. It's clear he's lost the dressing room.

[FilipinoHibs]

Said this a few times on other threads. As someone who follows Benfica, they are very much a team in transition. Spent £85 million sure but got £50 odd milion for Ruben Diaz and sold a few other players as well. The locals certainly ae not that happy. This is far from a Benfica side their fans expect. That said Im in the camp that think Rangers are performing very well and more than held their own in Europe this season. They are streets ahead of Celtic who need a complete rebuild, I'll take anyones money who thinks Celtic will win the league this season. I'll also take anyones money who thinks my Benfica will win the Portuguese league.

My mother's family are from Lisbon and Benfica are their team. My nephews say the same that the team is not performing and not likely to win league having already lost 2 of their 9 games. But they made Rangers look very ordinary at Ibrox, completely dominating the game.

[The 90+2]

My mother's family are from Lisbon and Benfica are their team. My nephews say the same that the team is not performing and not likely to win league having already lost 2 of their 9 games. But they made Rangers look very ordinary at Ibrox, completely dominating the game.

won me my coupon in the 94th min this evening 😀

They aren’t the best team, it’s a new team but hardly Sparta ressies.

[J-C]

I don’t think I was ever in the “born winner” brigade, and I do think we were right to get rid of him, but he does have, for want of a better term, a “born winner” attitude about him. He did as a player, and is it something you lose?

If Scott Brown went into management, I’d describe him as a born winner, and if he failed as a manager, I’d not particularly feel I had to change that description.

(I did actually have Scott as manager of an amateur side for a good few years, he was great).


Don't know about that, his career apart from at Celtic wasn't exactly littered in trophies, Crewe and Leicester were bog standard average clubs back then and TBH any half decent player can win things at Celtic. My memory of him as a player was decent midfielder who liked to get stuck in with a few hefty tackles and shout and ball at refs/opponents, something he still does as a manager.

[Magpie]

Celtic board waiting for just before the hearts game to sack him? New manager bounce etc

One of my friends who’s a Celtic fan thinks the board have accepted defeat on the league and are trying to save coin by not getting rid of Lennon now.

[Andy74]

Don't know about that, his career apart from at Celtic wasn't exactly littered in trophies, Crewe and Leicester were bog standard average clubs back then and TBH any half decent player can win things at Celtic. My memory of him as a player was decent midfielder who liked to get stuck in with a few hefty tackles and shout and ball at refs/opponents, something he still does as a manager.

Leicester have won 3 league cups and 1 league in terms of major trophies in their history.

Lennon won 2 of those league cups and lost in another final.

[calumhibee1]

Don't know about that, his career apart from at Celtic wasn't exactly littered in trophies, Crewe and Leicester were bog standard average clubs back then and TBH any half decent player can win things at Celtic. My memory of him as a player was decent midfielder who liked to get stuck in with a few hefty tackles and shout and ball at refs/opponents, something he still does as a manager.

That’s pretty much it when it comes to being a born winner. You just need to be angry, kick a few folk and make it clear you’re raging when you’ve been beat. Roy Keane has a cult following off the back of it and Lennon has created the same with some Hibs fans.

Other than being overly outwardly emotional, Lewis Stevenson probably lines up to a lot of the ‘born winner’ ideology - would run through brick walls for his team, hardly ever loses his individual battles. But because he doesn’t get sent off when things aren’t going his way or lose the rag he would never be labelled with it.

Someone else suggested McGinn earlier - another who wouldn’t ever be described as a born winner due to the fact he doesn’t feel the need to let everyone know how raging he is when things go against him.

[JohnM1875]

I know we don't like rangers but you have to be wearing a massive blinker to do anything but praise what they have done so far this season

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Definitely! Some of the stats speak for themselves. They've been fantastic this season.

I hate both The Rangers and Gerrard. But I can't do anything but praise them so far. Not only domestically, they've been great in Europe. I thought Galatasaray would have been a step to far for them, but they beat them and have been great in their group.

Still hoping for some form of financial meltdown and admin again. But that's never going to happen. And it's looking like it'll be the only possibility of stopping them.

[Andy74]

That’s pretty much it when it comes to being a born winner. You just need to be angry, kick a few folk and make it clear you’re raging when you’ve been beat. Roy Keane has a cult following off the back of it and Lennon has created the same with some Hibs fans.

Other than being overly outwardly emotional, Lewis Stevenson probably lines up to a lot of the ‘born winner’ ideology - would run through brick walls for his team, hardly ever loses his individual battles. But because he doesn’t get sent off when things aren’t going his way or lose the rag he would never be labelled with it.

Someone else suggested McGinn earlier - another who wouldn’t ever be described as a born winner due to the fact he doesn’t feel the need to let everyone know how raging he is when things go against him.

It’s a very lazy representation of Lennon though isn’t it?

You think he’s got to where he has by being angry and shouting and that’s all the managerial skills he has?

It’s total nonsense.

He’s been managing a long time now and there hardly been a player with a bad word to say about him.

This is probably the worst period of results he’s had and I don’t see any evidence at all of anger, blaming anyone or avoiding responsibility.

[calumhibee1]

It’s a very lazy representation of Lennon though isn’t it?

You think he’s got to where he has by being angry and shouting and that’s all the managerial skills he has?

It’s total nonsense.

He’s been managing a long time now and there hardly been a player with a bad word to say about him.

This is probably the worst period of results he’s had and I don’t see any evidence at all of anger, blaming anyone or avoiding responsibility.

When did I ever say that was all the skills he had?

[The 90+2]

It’s a very lazy representation of Lennon though isn’t it?

You think he’s got to where he has by being angry and shouting and that’s all the managerial skills he has?

It’s total nonsense.

He’s been managing a long time now and there hardly been a player with a bad word to say about him.

This is probably the worst period of results he’s had and I don’t see any evidence at all of anger, blaming anyone or avoiding responsibility.


He does a decent airplane.

Neil Lennon and right hand man Garry Parker were booted out of Easter Road last night after an explosive dressing room showdown.
Record Sport can reveal the Hibs (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) boss and his trusted assistant were suspended after calling a heated team meeting following Wednesday night’s defeat at Motherwell.
It’s understood a number of players approached chief executive Leeann Dempster yesterday afternoon to complain about the conduct of the management duo.
But we can also reveal Lennon (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/neil-lennon) and Parker have taken legal advice as their futures hang in the balance - and their backroom staff have refused to take temporary charge of first team affairs for this weekend’s SPFL clash with St Mirren.

[jacomo]

I know we don't like rangers but you have to be wearing a massive blinker to do anything but praise what they have done so far this season

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Fair comment.

[mcohibs]

I know we don't like rangers but you have to be wearing a massive blinker to do anything but praise what they have done so far this season

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Correct. The level to which some refuse to see how good a side Rangers are this season is bizarre.

Conceded three goals all season (one an own goal) and a better record so far than Rodgers' invincible season at Celtic.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Correct. The level to which some refuse to see how good a side Rangers are this season is bizarre.

Conceded three goals all season (one an own goal) and a better record so far than Rodgers' invincible season at Celtic.

Yes, it's very impressive, and so is their European run. I hate them and am no fan of Gerrard, they have had a tremendous season so far. I just hope it all goes wrong.

[FilipinoHibs]

won me my coupon in the 94th min this evening 😀

They aren’t the best team, it’s a new team but hardly Sparta ressies.

Their losses were against Boavista away 3-0 and at home 2-3 to Braga. They have yet to play Sporting or Porto who lie 1st and 3rd respectively in the league. This is an average Benfica team.

[The 90+2]

Their losses were against Boavista away 3-0 and at home 2-3 to Braga. They have yet to play Sporting or Porto who lie 1st and 3rd respectively in the league. This is an average Benfica team.


I'm pretty sure they would still hammer Celtic though.

[Baader]

He does a decent airplane.

Neil Lennon and right hand man Garry Parker were booted out of Easter Road last night after an explosive dressing room showdown.
Record Sport can reveal the Hibs (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) boss and his trusted assistant were suspended after calling a heated team meeting following Wednesday night’s defeat at Motherwell.
It’s understood a number of players approached chief executive Leeann Dempster yesterday afternoon to complain about the conduct of the management duo.
But we can also reveal Lennon (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/neil-lennon) and Parker have taken legal advice as their futures hang in the balance - and their backroom staff have refused to take temporary charge of first team affairs for this weekend’s SPFL clash with St Mirren.
Keith Jackson articles. Seriously?

[Smartie]

I know we don't like rangers but you have to be wearing a massive blinker to do anything but praise what they have done so far this season

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I think it's possible to acknowledge that they've played some good stuff and had some excellent results so far without going overboard.

They've won nothing yet, and if Celtic were anywhere near the level they've been at for the past few years they'd have an awful lot still to prove.

They've not blazed a trail through Europe - they've had some decent results against moderate sides.

As it happens it looks like they're getting the Championship handed to them on a plate - which they'll lap up.

They're good at being the big boys, the bullies. They're hopeless in adversity.

By going overboard with praise and respect, you play into their hands.

FWIW I don't think they're better than any of the Rangers teams I saw from the early 90s right through to 2012.

They're well coached and I respect the fact that they attack teams with pace and verve, knowing that to win leagues in Scotland you have to play on the front foot and win every week.

They're not invincible, even if the standard of the league is poor this year.

[Scott Allan Key]

Benfica spent £85m in the summer and they're likely to finish ahead of them in their group. I'd imagine that Celtic are unlikely to have any less of a wage budget than Rangers (indeed they may be paying more in wages).

None of what you're really saying adds up - we're talking about just now, not thirty years ago, and in Europe and domestically they're a really excellent team with good players, good depth, well coached and some fantastic results.No, they're not really excellent, they still have to prove that. If we're talking about now, this year, explain the Bayer Leverkusen result, you haven't addressed that. The context of their dominance, 'now', I addressed regarding the paucity of SPL during Covid 19 and Lennon's Celtic's general awfulness. That's why they seem so good.

I expect Rangers to win the league but its the weakest top league title they will have won in their history. If you fail to see the purpose of comparing teams from the past you won't be able to guage if today's team is as you say, 'outstanding.' I don't believe it is.

Rangers will be put out the Europa League with ease by a better side, not even a brilliant side, from a bigger league.

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[Callum_62]

I think it's possible to acknowledge that they've played some good stuff and had some excellent results so far without going overboard.

They've won nothing yet, and if Celtic were anywhere near the level they've been at for the past few years they'd have an awful lot still to prove.

They've not blazed a trail through Europe - they've had some decent results against moderate sides.

As it happens it looks like they're getting the Championship handed to them on a plate - which they'll lap up.

They're good at being the big boys, the bullies. They're hopeless in adversity.

By going overboard with praise and respect, you play into their hands.

FWIW I don't think they're better than any of the Rangers teams I saw from the early 90s right through to 2012.

They're well coached and I respect the fact that they attack teams with pace and verve, knowing that to win leagues in Scotland you have to play on the front foot and win every week.

They're not invincible, even if the standard of the league is poor this year.Hence, "so far this season"

Don't get me wrong and love a post Dubai collapse but they don't seem to be showing much vurnerablility this season

Long way to go but they have to be massive odds on favorites for the league

I think to be fair you are talking down there achievements in europe

They have been fantastic

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[The 90+2]

Keith Jackson articles. Seriously?

The events that brought about Neil Lennon's suspension at Hibs | HeraldScotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/17387880.events-brought-neil-lennons-suspension-hibs/)

Neil Lennon SUSPENDED by Hibs after dramatic exchange with chief executive Leeann Dempster (thescottishsun.co.uk) (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3796503/neil-lennon-suspended-hibs-exchange-leeann-dempster-players/)

[Scott Allan Key]

This was a about Neil Lennon, if he had the mentality of our lad Porteous, maybe he'd have made Gerrard come unstuck. In fact, if our players had the fanboy attitude towards Rangers that most on here are displaying, we'd have been slaughtered at Easter Road by them, just like we were at Ibrox under Heckingbottom.

Thank God our players aren't so obsequious.

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[Pagan Hibernia]

This was a about Neil Lennon, if he had the mentality of our lad Porteous, maybe he'd have made Gerrard come unstuck. In fact, if our players had the fanboy attitude towards Rangers that most on here are displaying, we'd have been slaughtered at Easter Road by them, just like we were at Ibrox under Heckingbottom.

Thank God our players aren't so obsequious.

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fanboy attitude :rolleyes:

a few people have said they’re playing well, that’s all. And they are. I know the whole point of fans forums is to be partisan and biased but let’s not be ridiculous.

that we got something against them at ER is to our credit.

[Callum_62]

This was a about Neil Lennon, if he had the mentality of our lad Porteous, maybe he'd have made Gerrard come unstuck. In fact, if our players had the fanboy attitude towards Rangers that most on here are displaying, we'd have been slaughtered at Easter Road by them, just like we were at Ibrox under Heckingbottom.

Thank God our players aren't so obsequious.

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Im so conflicted

Im pro indy but also a rangers fanboy

Anyone know where I could procure a half saltire half union jack suit?

[mjhibby]

To my eyes this is the poorest spl for many a year. There are many reasons including covid obviously but this has been a trend for a few years. The team of McGinn,Allan and mcgeoch I’d say would be second in the league and probably finish there,injuries allowing. Neither of the old form looked great at er and remember McLaughlin made a great save and Nisbet missed the rebound or we would have won. Sevco are a decent side but if you go at them especially wide they are so vulnerable. They will be champions but they will be skelped in the champions league. Only watch them if it’s against us or teams around us. Was always confident of getting a result against them at er. I don’t give a monkeys which one wins the league only how we are doing.

[Scott Allan Key]

fanboy attitude :rolleyes:

a few people have said they’re playing well, that’s all. And they are. I know the whole point of fans forums is to be partisan and biased but let’s not be ridiculous.

that we got something against them at ER is to our credit.People have said more than they are playing well. Comparisons to best Rangers sides. Making out they're a top European performer even though they got beat by a middling German side.

We drew with them. They're not that good, but they do play attractive football I admit.

I am also trying to get us to bolster our own team, rather than theirs. It's what we need to do.

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[Since452]

I don't know what's hard to understand about Rangers being a good side. They are. They're better than Celtic and a decent to good Europa League team. Without being blinkered by hatered for a second they are a good side.

[mcohibs]

I expect Rangers to win the league but its the weakest top league title they will have won in their history. If you fail to see the purpose of comparing teams from the past you won't be able to guage if today's team is as you say, 'outstanding.' I don't believe it is.



Same could be said about the standard of the league for a lot of the 9 seasons that Celtic have won the title could it not? Yet Rodgers' invincibles are widely considered an 'outstanding' side. Rangers at this stage have a better record than that team.

Long way to go yes but to dismiss the quality of this Rangers side is very blinkered IMO.

[we are hibs]

This is probably the worst period of results he’s had and I don’t see any evidence at all of anger, blaming anyone or avoiding responsibility.

Apart from when he had 2 wins in 14 games at Hibs you mean?

[Magpie]

Is he gone yet?

[superfurryhibby]

I think it's possible to acknowledge that they've played some good stuff and had some excellent results so far without going overboard.

They've won nothing yet, and if Celtic were anywhere near the level they've been at for the past few years they'd have an awful lot still to prove.

They've not blazed a trail through Europe - they've had some decent results against moderate sides.

As it happens it looks like they're getting the Championship handed to them on a plate - which they'll lap up.

They're good at being the big boys, the bullies. They're hopeless in adversity.

By going overboard with praise and respect, you play into their hands.

FWIW I don't think they're better than any of the Rangers teams I saw from the early 90s right through to 2012.

They're well coached and I respect the fact that they attack teams with pace and verve, knowing that to win leagues in Scotland you have to play on the front foot and win every week.

They're not invincible, even if the standard of the league is poor this year.

Some reasonable points, but I'm not sure how acknowledging the Hun play decent football really plays into their hands ?

No one is claiming they are a vintage side or comparable to those sides of the EBT fuelled 90's or the relentless but boring Uefa Cup final side.

The standard of our league is also a moot point. To me it is always poor, or has been for much of the past 30 years. |You only have to look at our diddy teams and their performances in Europe to see that.

Celtic are pish this season, just like Rangers have been pish for most of the past five seasons since they were promoted. Pish, but ultimately they will still better than the rest.

[Steve20]

Still not convinced Rangers will win the league. They will have a second half of the season blip. And Celtic won’t be this poor for long. In fact, I’d say 5/1 Celtic to win the league is worth a gamble.

However, I think people saying it’s the poorest league there’s been are just upset that Rangers are currently ahead of Celtic. I’d say the 9 previous years were poorer. There’s even a season with no Hibs, Hearts or Rangers in it. It’s just downplaying Rangers decent start to say it’s the poorest. I don’t think there would be the same opinion if Celtic were 7 points clear. But it’s still early on games wise in the season, they still have a chance to get their beloved 10.

[Sammy7nil]

Still not convinced Rangers will win the league. They will have a second half of the season blip. And Celtic won’t be this poor for long. In fact, I’d say 5/1 Celtic to win the league is worth a gamble.

However, I think people saying it’s the poorest league there’s been are just upset that Rangers are currently ahead of Celtic. I’d say the 9 previous years were poorer. There’s even a season with no Hibs, Hearts or Rangers in it. It’s just downplaying Rangers decent start to say it’s the poorest. I don’t think there would be the same opinion if Celtic were 7 points clear. But it’s still early on games wise in the season, they still have a chance to get their beloved 10.

Don’t disagree with most of what you say Rangers are playing well and the deserve the plaudits. However save yer money Celtic will not win the league. The players don’t seem to have the desire for some strange reason.

[Green_one]

I am not clear why there is so much diversity of opinion on the current situation unless people are holding deeply held views that should be reassessed,

It is clear Rangers are the best side in the league this season. They are showing competence in Europe but lack the quality of players their sides have had in the past. Their manager has done better than I expected. Financial issues still remain long term.

Celtic, despite spending significant sums during the summer and being well ahead last season, have gone seriously backwards. A decent change of manager and perhaps some transfer movement in January should change their season. However the league is probably gone and the longer Lennon is there the more that is certain. It worries me that Celtic may not bury Hearts in the final.

The lack of quality in the league is obvious. No one can debate otherwise. But Celtic won leagues without Rangers and indeed also without Hibs and Hearts. Some 10 in a row. So if Rangers win the league it will be because they are the best team and because Celtic have failed to replace a top class manager with anything more than an easy second rate choice.

[Magpie]

But Celtic won leagues without Rangers and indeed also without Hibs and Hearts. Some 10 in a row.

Rangers got liquidated and rightly so, if they were squeaky clean then perhaps Celtic would have achieved 10 in a row already.

Hibs and Hearts got relegated for not being good enough, so I very much doubt if they stayed in the Premiership it would have had any impact on Celtic winning titles.

Celtic fully deserved the last 9 league titles they have won.

[hibbysam]

I am not clear why there is so much diversity of opinion on the current situation unless people are holding deeply held views that should be reassessed,

It is clear Rangers are the best side in the league this season. They are showing competence in Europe but lack the quality of players their sides have had in the past. Their manager has done better than I expected. Financial issues still remain long term.

Celtic, despite spending significant sums during the summer and being well ahead last season, have gone seriously backwards. A decent change of manager and perhaps some transfer movement in January should change their season. However the league is probably gone and the longer Lennon is there the more that is certain. It worries me that Celtic may not bury Hearts in the final.

The lack of quality in the league is obvious. No one can debate otherwise. But Celtic won leagues without Rangers and indeed also without Hibs and Hearts. Some 10 in a row. So if Rangers win the league it will be because they are the best team and because Celtic have failed to replace a top class manager with anything more than an easy second rate choice.

What are the long term financial issues at ibrox out of curiosity? People can point to them losing £80m in recent years but that has all been covered. They have a small amount of debt. They spent big so they could be competing and building their revenues again. That was for long term security. Champions league football will be back for them, players worth millions throughout their squad, investing in their infrastructure at Ibrox. Unless I’m missing something, there are no financial issues at Rangers,
Their directors have navigated them through the worst of it.

[CropleyWasGod]

What are the long term financial issues at ibrox out of curiosity? People can point to them losing £80m in recent years but that has all been covered. They have a small amount of debt. They spent big so they could be competing and building their revenues again. That was for long term security. Champions league football will be back for them, players worth millions throughout their squad, investing in their infrastructure at Ibrox. Unless I’m missing something, there are no financial issues at Rangers,
Their directors have navigated them through the worst of it.

Their total liabilities ast the end of June were £87m.

A further £8.8m will be needed for this season and £14.4m for next season.

[hibbysam]

Their total liabilities ast the end of June were £87m.

A further £8.8m will be needed for this season and £14.4m for next season.

The second part has already been covered by the directors though, it’s not like they are struggling to find that money, it’s been promised to them. They’ve qualified for the latter stages of Europe again, they’re all but guaranteed champions league football next season, they’ve sorted their retail issues out, their revenues are only going to go from strength to strength.

[jacomo]

Im so conflicted

Im pro indy but also a rangers fanboy

Anyone know where I could procure a half saltire half union jack suit?


Get yourself a Yes flag and stick a photo of the Queens face over the ‘e’. That should do it.

Alternatively, learn to play Flower of Scotland on a flute.

[CropleyWasGod]

The second part has already been covered by the directors though, it’s not like they are struggling to find that money, it’s been promised to them. They’ve qualified for the latter stages of Europe again, they’re all but guaranteed champions league football next season, they’ve sorted their retail issues out, their revenues are only going to go from strength to strength.

It's not a "small debt", though.

[Since90+2]

Rangers do have sellable assets unlike previous years.

If they were in a terrible financial position they could raise a good amount of money.

Ryan Kent would likely net them around £20 million alone, then you've got guys like Kamara, Katic, Barisic,Morelos,Goldson and Tavernier who would also command decent transfer fees.

[ABZHFC]

https://twitter.com/Liam67M/status/1335648532431298564


As an aside, it is very, very amusing to see their fans reach this conclusion after two years of burying their heads in the sand and shouting "McGinn wouldn't get into our starting XI, Ntcham is miles better!"

Get it up them :cb

[easty]

Rangers do have sellable assets unlike previous years.

If they were in a terrible financial position they could raise a good amount of money.

Ryan Kent would likely net them around £20 million alone, then you've got guys like Kamara, Katic, Barisic,Morelos,Goldson and Tavernier who would also command decent transfer fees.

I don’t believe anyone is giving them £20m for Kent. Never going to happen.

[calumhibee1]

https://twitter.com/Liam67M/status/1335648532431298564


As an aside, it is very, very amusing to see their fans reach this conclusion after two years of burying their heads in the sand and shouting "McGinn wouldn't get into our starting XI, Ntcham is miles better!"

Get it up them :cb

McGinn or Ntcham lol

[calumhibee1]

I don’t believe anyone is giving them £20m for Kent. Never going to happen.

He seems to be highly rated down south. Whilst I think £20m might be stretching it I wouldn’t be surprised if they could get a very large fee for him.

[Hibernian Verse]

He does a decent airplane.

Neil Lennon and right hand man Garry Parker were booted out of Easter Road last night after an explosive dressing room showdown.
Record Sport can reveal the Hibs (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) boss and his trusted assistant were suspended after calling a heated team meeting following Wednesday night’s defeat at Motherwell.
It’s understood a number of players approached chief executive Leeann Dempster yesterday afternoon to complain about the conduct of the management duo.
But we can also reveal Lennon (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/neil-lennon) and Parker have taken legal advice as their futures hang in the balance - and their backroom staff have refused to take temporary charge of first team affairs for this weekend’s SPFL clash with St Mirren.

That defeat was brutal. One of the most tepid displays I've seen from Hibs in the last 20 years, we didn't create anything other than a sitter from Oli Shaw that was badly missed.

[ancient hibee]

It's not a "small debt", though.


Oh I don't know. I frequently find £80 million down the back of the sofa.

[hibbysam]

It's not a "small debt", though.

Where in their accounts does it talk about £80m+? I just read the parts which mentions total liabilities of £19m.

[CropleyWasGod]

Where in their accounts does it talk about £80m+? I just read the parts which mentions total liabilities of £19m.

Page 25.

https://assets.ctfassets.net/39646iezddpk/6jU6iWUIFFBXHlt16Vspht/8bd461616767388bb0dca1e8c888eebc/Rangers_Reports_and_Accounts_2020.pdf

[Seveno]

Page 25.

https://assets.ctfassets.net/39646iezddpk/6jU6iWUIFFBXHlt16Vspht/8bd461616767388bb0dca1e8c888eebc/Rangers_Reports_and_Accounts_2020.pdf

Are they not technically insolvent and so in breach of SPFL rules?

[CropleyWasGod]

Are they not technically insolvent and so in breach of SPFL rules?

I can't see that they are insolvent, TBH.

IIRC, the 2 tests of insolvency are 1. where liabilities exceed assets and 2. an inability to pay their debts as they fall due.

Neither apply in this case.

As far as SPFL rules are concerned, again IIRC, they only kick in when a club suffers an insolvency event, such as administration.

[ballengeich]

Their total liabilities ast the end of June were £87m.

A further £8.8m will be needed for this season and £14.4m for next season.
The projected amount needed will depend on the assumptions made about future trading. I'd expect the auditors to be cautious in what they assume about income from European competition so if they were to qualify for the Champions League group phase next season that £14.4m disappears.

When King et al took over their plan was to run at a few million loss for a few seasons until income from Europe and transfer profits started coming in and got them to the same level as Celtic. I think it's taken longer and cost more than they expected, but they've gone further than Celtic in Europe for the second consecutive season. Just needs the big money transfers to start rolling in now:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

The projected amount needed will depend on the assumptions made about future trading. I'd expect the auditors to be cautious in what they assume about income from European competition so if they were to qualify for the Champions League group phase next season that £14.4m disappears.

When King et al took over their plan was to run at a few million loss for a few seasons until income from Europe and transfer profits started coming in and got them to the same level as Celtic. I think it's taken longer and cost more than they expected, but they've gone further than Celtic in Europe for the second consecutive season. Just needs the big money transfers to start rolling in now:greengrin

:cb

The forecasts make key assumptions, based on information available to the Board, around:

• Football performance, the forecast assumes the Club will challenge for the European places in the
Ladbrokes SPFL Premiership in 2020/21 and participate in European competition in the season thereafter;
• Season ticket sales, the timing and amount of which are consistent with the Club’s historic experience. The forecasts
include an uplift in season ticket prices to reflect annual inflationary increases and forecast improved football
performance;
• Matchday income will be significantly impacted throughout the 2020/21 season due to restrictions in match
attendance resulting from COVID-19; on the lifting COVID-19 restrictions and a return to normal attendance, match
day revenue is forecast to grow as a result of improving footballing performance and success;
• Sponsorship, commercial and other non-matchday income;
• The amount and timing of cash flows from retail activities;
• The forecast overhead cost base of the Club;
• Payroll costs reflecting the 2020/21 squad size and composition in perspective to its assumptions around football
performance;
• The quantum of future transfer receivables and payables;
• The capital expenditure necessary to maintain and improve the stadium, training facility and general Ibrox vicinity;
• The Group’s ability to secure further debt or equity finance from investors to allow the Group to continue to meet its
liabilities as they fall due.

[The 90+2]

They aren't going to sack him are they? :rolleyes:

[calumhibee1]

They aren't going to sack him are they? :rolleyes:

Hope not. Keeps us in the race for second place. Although even now it’s an almost impossible task, the earlier he’s gone the harder it would be for us

[The 90+2]

Hope not. Keeps us in the race for second place. Although even now it’s an almost impossible task, the earlier he’s gone the harder it would be for us


The Scottish cup final weekend is going to be dreadful. Thankfully payday is the Friday before :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

The Scottish cup final weekend is going to be dreadful. Thankfully payday is the Friday before :greengrin

I know mate. Will be torture. Hopefully they turn up for the first 20 mins or so like they’ve done a couple times in Europe and just sink Hearts straight away. If it’s still a draw at half time I’ll definitely start to fear the worst!

[The 90+2]

I know mate. Will be torture. Hopefully they turn up for the first 20 mins or so like they’ve done a couple times in Europe and just sink Hearts straight away. If it’s still a draw at half time I’ll definitely start to fear the worst!


Aye, I like your thinking. :agree:

[jacomo]

The Scottish cup final weekend is going to be dreadful. Thankfully payday is the Friday before :greengrin


Lennon has a special relationship with the manky maroon mob. Him and Scott will shake off their current malaise and tear them a new one.

[The 90+2]

Lennon has a special relationship with the manky maroon mob. Him and Scott will shake off their current malaise and tear them a new one.


Fingers crossed (and everything else :greengrin).

[calumhibee1]

I hadn’t actually seen this stat but apparently Celtic haven’t won at home since mid September. 😂

[jacomo]

Fingers crossed (and everything else :greengrin).


Of course!

[Hibernia&Alba]

I hadn’t actually seen this stat but apparently Celtic haven’t won at home since mid September. 😂

That's incredible and is something there should be no surviving. I'm baffled why their board are allowing it to continue.

[worcesterhibby]

That's incredible and is something there should be no surviving. I'm baffled why their board are allowing it to continue.

they haven't got balls as big as Leeann :greengrin

[Andy74]

That's incredible and is something there should be no surviving. I'm baffled why their board are allowing it to continue.

Perhaps they feel not all team performance issues can only be solved by sacking the manager?

[Scott Allan Key]

Same could be said about the standard of the league for a lot of the 9 seasons that Celtic have won the title could it not? Yet Rodgers' invincibles are widely considered an 'outstanding' side. Rangers at this stage have a better record than that team.

Long way to go yes but to dismiss the quality of this Rangers side is very blinkered IMO.I'm not dismissing at all. It just has to be put into context. And I agree about Rodgers, although he, like Gerrard is a fine manager.

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[calumhibee1]

That's incredible and is something there should be no surviving. I'm baffled why their board are allowing it to continue.

It was match of the day that posted it on Facebook but from looking further into it their last home win was V us on 27 September. Still funny :greengrin

[LeithMike]

I don’t believe anyone is giving them £20m for Kent. Never going to happen.
Their total liabilities ast the end of June were £87m.

A further £8.8m will be needed for this season and £14.4m for next season.Its astounding that that amount of debt has been racked up again in such a short period after liquidation. Points to something badly wrong in football administration and insolvency laws.

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[ancient hibee]

Perhaps they feel not all team performance issues can only be solved by sacking the manager?

Yes.It would be interesting to know who has the last word on recruitment at Celtic.Clearly many of the team are not fit-why is that? There's an excuse for McGregor and Christie-they've played too often over the last year-but are there more like Griffiths-just can't be bothered?

[JohnM1875]

Another Celtic statement released confirming they fully support Lennon. I've absolutely no idea how he's managed to survive their recent form. Actually, it's probably cause of the morons rioting.

[bingo70]

Another Celtic statement released confirming they fully support Lennon. I've absolutely no idea how he's managed to survive their recent form. Actually, it's probably cause of the morons rioting.

I think it’s because of the lack of available alternatives.

They’d be better waiting and hoping he can turn it around than bringing in someone new that doesn’t know the club or the league.

[A Hi-Bee]

I am not clear why there is so much diversity of opinion on the current situation unless people are holding deeply held views that should be reassessed,

It is clear Rangers are the best side in the league this season. They are showing competence in Europe but lack the quality of players their sides have had in the past. Their manager has done better than I expected. Financial issues still remain long term.

Celtic, despite spending significant sums during the summer and being well ahead last season, have gone seriously backwards. A decent change of manager and perhaps some transfer movement in January should change their season. However the league is probably gone and the longer Lennon is there the more that is certain. It worries me that Celtic may not bury Hearts in the final.

The lack of quality in the league is obvious. No one can debate otherwise. But Celtic won leagues without Rangers and indeed also without Hibs and Hearts. Some 10 in a row. So if Rangers win the league it will be because they are the best team and because Celtic have failed to replace a top class manager with anything more than an easy second rate choice.

**** the hun, and for the avoidance of any doubt, and un-blinkered they are not a good football side, they are the best that the financial doping allows for in the present climate, so once more **** the hun. Oh and by the way they are now a new team called (amongst other names) sevco or politely the rangers (The Huns)
:greengrin

[truehibernian]

Lennon won't turn it around, he's done what he did at Hibs and called important players out and it's clear they aren't playing for him anymore. Like at Hibs, he's tinkering and chopping and changing which I think has bred animosity and bewilderment.

Makes sense to keep him however, more because The Rangers will stroll the league with the form and squad they have, and the fact Celtic have spent very unwisely. Any new manager coming in now would face an uphill battle to win the fans over (and title). I reckon they're sounding out replacement(s) and he'll be gone at the end of the season - fresh start for a new man in charge, new regime, clear out and start again.

Can see Scott Brown ending up at Hibs next season too :cb

[Hermit Crab]

Another Celtic statement released confirming they fully support Lennon. I've absolutely no idea how he's managed to survive their recent form. Actually, it's probably cause of the morons rioting.


I think he'll be away by the end of the week despite the statement. He's Hearts best chance of winning that cup.

[HendoDelivered]

Hearts will win the cup with him still there.

[truehibernian]

I think he'll be away by the end of the week despite the statement. He's Hearts best chance of winning that cup.

Celtic have way too much fire power for Hearts - Arbroath could have put 3 past them.

Easy Celtic win, which won't make a shred of difference to the outcome of Lennon in my opinion. The league was the be all and end all and they've blown it already.

[DH1875]

I think he'll be away by the end of the week despite the statement. He's Hearts best chance of winning that cup.

Either way Celtic are screwed. Let's say they do sack him and bring in a new manager. Their fans will demand this manager be given millions in the January window to put some sort of pressure on rangers. That's millions the Celtic board don't want to be giving anyone anytime soon, especially given that even with it, chances are rangers are to far ahead so it won't make a bit of difference.

[Scott Allan Key]

Lennon won't turn it around, he's done what he did at Hibs and called important players out and it's clear they aren't playing for him anymore. Like at Hibs, he's tinkering and chopping and changing which I think has bred animosity and bewilderment.

Makes sense to keep him however, more because The Rangers will stroll the league with the form and squad they have, and the fact Celtic have spent very unwisely. Any new manager coming in now would face an uphill battle to win the fans over (and title). I reckon they're sounding out replacement(s) and he'll be gone at the end of the season - fresh start for a new man in charge, new regime, clear out and start again.

Can see Scott Brown ending up at Hibs next season too :cbRegarding the last paragraph, do you know something we don't? Would be quite happy with that albeit not a top, top player anymore, he'd be a good influence.

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[truehibernian]

Regarding the last paragraph, do you know something we don't? Would be quite happy with that albeit not a top, top player anymore, he'd be a good influence.

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Sadly no mate, but he's reached a milestone in games, when they win the SC :greengrin it will be a quadruple treble, and this season is the first he is being played/subbed and doesn't seem to be either having the influence he had/has or enjoying it. It's also no surprise his very best form comes when he plays for measured managers (in temperament).

He also has a soft spot for us and think he'll be thinking about his future coaching career. Fit as a fiddle and lots to offer for a season or two, and lives in the city. Like you say, what an influence he would have on the squad and the academy :aok: here's hoping............I think it's possible to be honest.

[Ronniekirk]

I think it’s because of the lack of available alternatives.

They’d be better waiting and hoping he can turn it around than bringing in someone new that doesn’t know the club or the league.

But he isn’t managing to get a win so he isn’t going to turn it round without being given money to spend in Transfer Window
But given some of the players he has brought in why would you give him more money to waste
Will just make it harder for the next Manager



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[ekhibee]

I think he'll be away by the end of the week despite the statement. He's Hearts best chance of winning that cup.

This.

[Clarence]

Unfortunately players now know that they can turn on a manager and get their way. It's unfair on the fans but it seems to be the way of things. If they sack Lennon and start winning every game the greatest fans in the world won't care about the players previous misdemeanours and will lap it up.

[Clarence]

Regarding the last paragraph, do you know something we don't? Would be quite happy with that albeit not a top, top player anymore, he'd be a good influence.

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He is a top, top player in the same way that QPR is a top, top club Harry.

[JOD]

We'll beat sevco at ibrox at Xmas. Blow the league wide open. 👍

[BILLYHIBS]

There was a small group standing outside Parkhead on Sunday demanding that Neil Lennon be removed

Neil Lennon had a quiet word with them and told them to get back on the team bus

[CMurdoch]

Sadly no mate, but he's reached a milestone in games, when they win the SC :greengrin it will be a quadruple treble, and this season is the first he is being played/subbed and doesn't seem to be either having the influence he had/has or enjoying it. It's also no surprise his very best form comes when he plays for measured managers (in temperament).

He also has a soft spot for us and think he'll be thinking about his future coaching career. Fit as a fiddle and lots to offer for a season or two, and lives in the city. Like you say, what an influence he would have on the squad and the academy :aok: here's hoping............I think it's possible to be honest.

Scott Brown will be 36 in June
There Is a hill and Scott has recently gone over it.
By the time next season starts he will be over it soon to be far away.
Time waits for no man including Scott Brown.
P.S. Hibs already have an ornament that we have been paying circa £3k a week for the last 18 months.

[Jim44]

Scott Brown will be 36 in June
There Is a hill and Scott has recently gone over it.
By the time next season starts he will be over it soon to be far away.
Time waits for no man including Scott Brown.
P.S. Hibs already have an ornament that we have been paying circa £3k a week for the last 18 months.

For us who are a bit dim on cryptic content and slow on the uptake, give us a clue.:greengrin

[Forza Fred]

Sadly no mate, but he's reached a milestone in games, when they win the SC :greengrin it will be a quadruple treble, and this season is the first he is being played/subbed and doesn't seem to be either having the influence he had/has or enjoying it. It's also no surprise his very best form comes when he plays for measured managers (in temperament).

He also has a soft spot for us and think he'll be thinking about his future coaching career. Fit as a fiddle and lots to offer for a season or two, and lives in the city. Like you say, what an influence he would have on the squad and the academy :aok: here's hoping............I think it's possible to be honest.

I think he actually said in an interview a while back that he hoped to finish his playing career at Hibs after he eventually parted ways with Celtic

[Since90+2]

I think he actually said in an interview a while back that he hoped to finish his playing career at Hibs after he eventually parted ways with Celtic

He will retire when his contract ends at Celtic. If you Google Scott Brown retire there are a couple of articles on it.

I wouldn't want him at ER at 36/37 anyway. He's already toiling at 35.

[heretoday]

I think he actually said in an interview a while back that he hoped to finish his playing career at Hibs after he eventually parted ways with Celtic

Bring it on. It wouldn't be boring!

[calumhibee1]

Scott Brown will be 36 in June
There Is a hill and Scott has recently gone over it.
By the time next season starts he will be over it soon to be far away.
Time waits for no man including Scott Brown.
P.S. Hibs already have an ornament that we have been paying circa £3k a week for the last 18 months.

I reckon he could do a good job for a season but id doubt any longer. He’s absolutely toiling a bit at Celtics level now.

[CMurdoch]

for us who are a bit dim on cryptic content and slow on the uptake, give us a clue.:greengrin

sdg

[Magpie]

I think he actually said in an interview a while back that he hoped to finish his playing career at Hibs after he eventually parted ways with Celtic

Yeah I think it might have been an interview with Sky Sports around the time of the 2013 cup final.

[Magpie]

Scott Brown will be 36 in June
There Is a hill and Scott has recently gone over it.
By the time next season starts he will be over it soon to be far away.
Time waits for no man including Scott Brown.
P.S. Hibs already have an ornament that we have been paying circa £3k a week for the last 18 months.

I think he could be a future Hibs manager.

[The 90+2]

I think he actually said in an interview a while back that he hoped to finish his playing career at Hibs after he eventually parted ways with Celtic

He’s retiring after Celtic. He made that decision when he signed his new deal.

An old, slower Brown who would be booked every game for us would be a liability.

[Smartie]

I've always thought that once Brown is too old and slow for Celtic then he'll be too old and slow for Hibs.

Similarly I'm starting to think that when Griffiths is too much trouble for Celtic he'll be too much trouble for Hibs (blasphemous as that might sound).

I'll happily take youngsters on their way up who fall just short of making the grade there but I'd be wary of assuming that their aged rejects should necessarily be welcomed thinking that they'll definitely improve us.

For all our returning stars give us a nice, cosy glow when they re-join, the truth is we have had a fairly patchy on field contribution from them all during their subsequents spells with us. Again, will probably sound blasphemous to many but that's the reality of it as I see it.

[superfurryhibby]

He’s retiring after Celtic. He made that decision when he signed his new deal.

An old, slower Brown who would be booked every game for us would be a liability.

Agreed, past his best and definitely not what we need at Hibs. Never going to happen.