Neil Lennon

[Caversham Green]

Possibly because most of that is made up or at least an incredibly one sided view of events?

Kamberi was criticised because he was still a Hibs player and admitted that Rangers were his dream club and that after only his second game for us he had asked his agent to get a move to Rangers.

We all know Lennon's background with Celtic. When he was here though I don't think that was ever an issue. The stuff about him not celebrating or asking others not to celebrate is nonsense.

We really don't know what went on with the players or with Kamberi. I think the way the team and Kamberi were playing they deserved some criticism. Several players have since said he was the best manager they've ever worked with and so I suspect the bullying and scapegoating is a bit sensationalist.

He's certainly someone who seems to get people upset but I'm not aware of anything he ever did to our club that should mean that I have to have any negative feelings towards him.

I might have misremembered the timing of the comment about not celebrating a Hibs goal, but my recollection is that he said it at a Celtic-minded function a few months before he left Hibs. Other than that nothing in my post is made up, nor is it particularly one-sided as far as I'm concerned.

Kamberi said nothing in public about wanting to play for Rangers until after he was loaned to them. If he hadn't gone to them he would probably never have said anything about it and would be remembered with a bit less vitriol than he is now. I said in my op that he was foolish and disrespectful to make the comment anyway.
Lennon and Parker called him out by name at least twice in post-match interviews when a wiser manager might have been more circumspect. Lennon did similar with Leigh Griffiths on Saturday.
There was plenty talk of bullying at the time of the fall out but nothing official, which is why I said 'allegedly'.

Kamberi seems to be a complex character and Lennon made a complete mess of dealing with him. Lennon is a decent manager as long as things are going well but a disaster when they go wrong. Both have disrespected Hibs so I have little time for either of them now.

[Kato]

Kamberi said nothing in public about wanting to play for Rangers until after he was loaned to them. If he hadn't gone to them he would probably never have said anything about it and would be remembered with a bit less vitriol than he is now. I said in my op that he was foolish and disrespectful to make the comment anyway.

Maybe he said those things knowing Lennon was listening. He did lather it on.

[SteveHFC]

Leaving Celtic in the next 24 hours.

[bingo70]

Leaving Celtic in the next 24 hours.

Steve Clarke the bookies favourite to replace him.

[Northernhibee]

Leaving Celtic in the next 24 hours.

Rumours that Kennedy will take over as assistant. Here's hoping he ends up terrible and the gap can be reduced before the split.

[Magpie]

Should have been emptied a while ago. Things must be bad off the pitch as well as on it for them to not let him carry on for the final games of the season. Will be interesting to see who they replace him with in the summer.

[WeeRussell]

Stubbs brought in about 30 players. Loads of them were terrible too.

I can’t remember loads of terrible Stubbs signings? If he brought in about 30, loads of which were terrible... that suggests you could name double figures? Surely not.

[Smartie]

Steve Clarke the bookies favourite to replace him.

I've just had a text to say he's taking over after the Euros.

[Northernhibee]

Wouldn't shock me if Lennon ended up at Dundee once McPake is emptied. He's not going to get a better job in management and after going for the inexperienced choice in McPake, they may want to go for a more experienced manager.

[SteveHFC]

I've just had a text to say he's taking over after the Euros.

Thought he wanted to leave Killie due to the sectarian issues in Scotland.

[bingo70]

I've just had a text to say he's taking over after the Euros.

I think one of the red tops reported that a couple of weeks ago.

[Magpie]

I can’t remember loads of terrible Stubbs signings? If he brought in about 30, loads of which were terrible... that suggests you could name double figures? Surely not.

Feruz, Sinclair, Carmichael, Anier, Eckersley, Dagnall, Insall. Then you had the keepers Cerny, Virtanen and Reguero who didn’t really get much of a game I suppose. Likes of DjeDje and Keith Watson perhaps.

[Northernhibee]

Thought he wanted to leave Killie due to the sectarian issues in Scotland.


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[we are hibs]

Doubt he will get another big job. Will probably land a comfy pundit role somewhere.

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[WeeRussell]

Feruz, Sinclair, Carmichael, Anier, Eckersley, Dagnall, Insall. Then you had the keepers Cerny, Virtanen and Reguero who didn’t really get much of a game I suppose. Likes of DjeDje and Keith Watson perhaps.

That’s actually a decent stab to be fair 😂 even if I don’t agree with them all as being terrible.

I’ve gone totally blank - who was Sinclair?

[Magpie]

That’s actually a decent stab to be fair 😂 even if I don’t agree with them all as being terrible.

I’ve gone totally blank - who was Sinclair?

Scott Sinclair’s brother, he came on loan from Southampton.

[Bishop Hibee]

I was at the St Patrick’s branch meeting at the Hibs Club where Darren McGregor basically said Lennon was too strict and not such a good man manager whereas Stubbs was a nice guy but didn’t have enough steel as a manager. This was in response to being asked “who the best manager he’d played under” was. Basically somewhere in between was his ideal Manager. They are few and far between.

[GreyJammies]

Wish him all the best.

A good job done at Hibernian. Likeable dude. Lovely ginger hair. Loved when he gave that specky Hearts bam some back - Nobody disrespects the Hibs. Especially some no mark, no trophy, no lips, farm dweller.

Welcome back in Leith any time.

All the best Neil.

[Magpie]

I was at the St Patrick’s branch meeting at the Hibs Club where Darren McGregor basically said Lennon was too strict and not such a good man manager whereas Stubbs was a nice guy but didn’t have enough steel as a manager. This was in response to being asked “who the best manager he’d played under” was. Basically somewhere in between was his ideal Manager. They are few and far between.

Lewis Stevenson recently said that Lennon is the best manager he has played under. Most players react to criticism differently I suppose.

[Northernhibee]

Lewis Stevenson recently said that Lennon is the best manager he has played under. Most players react to criticism differently I suppose.

He also said there were times he hated him and he wouldn’t even give the team a formation, let alone tactics for a game. It wasn’t as glowing as the headline suggests by a long shot.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I've just had a text to say he's taking over after the Euros.

Just had a text you say :)

[Magpie]

He also said there were times he hated him and he wouldn’t even give the team a formation, let alone tactics for a game. It wasn’t as glowing as the headline suggests by a long shot.

Not aware of the article you may be talking about. I got it from this interview around the time of his 500th appearance.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12184973/stevenson-qa-set-for-500

[MWHIBBIES]

Feruz, Sinclair, Carmichael, Anier, Eckersley, Dagnall, Insall. Then you had the keepers Cerny, Virtanen and Reguero who didn’t really get much of a game I suppose. Likes of DjeDje and Keith Watson perhaps.

Basically some reserves, squad fillers and sub goalies. The real signings were mostly good.

[The Harp Awakes]

Doubt he will get another big job. Will probably land a comfy pundit role somewhere.

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A job as a pundit would be good for NL and good for his health. He's had great success as a manager and player. All the best to him.

[Since452]

Lennon has made a career out of landing on his feet at good sides. He's never taken over a toiling team and made them better. He even had the excuse of Bolton being a financial mess to hide his failings. He's the luckiest manager ever in terms of jobs and continually gets found out whenever it gets challenging.

[3pm]

I was at the St Patrick’s branch meeting at the Hibs Club where Darren McGregor basically said Lennon was too strict and not such a good man manager whereas Stubbs was a nice guy but didn’t have enough steel as a manager. This was in response to being asked “who the best manager he’d played under” was. Basically somewhere in between was his ideal Manager. They are few and far between.

If that was the meeting McGregor attended with Swanston thenhe never said any such thing about Lennon.

[Winston Ingram]

Doubt he will get another big job. Will probably land a comfy pundit role somewhere.

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No chance is he getting another job of any substance.

Tactically he’s never been great and his default solution when things go wrong is to abdicate responsibility and blame everyone else.

The fact he often comes across as a bit unhinged won’t be that attractive to employers either.

[BILLYHIBS]

Leaves today according to Radio Forth

[Yorkshire HFC]

Lennon has made a career out of landing on his feet at good sides. He's never taken over a toiling team and made them better. He even had the excuse of Bolton being a financial mess to hide his failings. He's the luckiest manager ever in terms of jobs and continually gets found out whenever it gets challenging.

You're a tough judge. Look at his record - he's had a great career as a player and as a manager for top clubs in Scotland and England - and he's played for his country.

And he's also made a second career as a pundit.

Maybe clever people just keep making good choices?

Good luck to him.

[BILLYHIBS]

Neil Lennon resigns

SSN

[EI255]

I think he's looked a far more relaxed man the few weeks and that's because he knew he was always about to do this.

Wish him all the best. He's suffered some horrible stuff and pretty shameful in this country.

I wish him nothing but the very best.

Good luck Neil.

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[EI255]

BBC News - Neil Lennon: Celtic manager resigns with side 18 points adrift of Rangers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55130253

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[jacomo]

Neil Lennon resigns

SSN


Celtc didn’t even want to pay off his contract?

And folk said that we were harsh...

[calumhibee1]

That’ll be the last big job he gets.

I’d be surprised if he manages again, reckon he’ll end up a pundi

[bigwheel]

Celtc didn’t even want to pay off his contract?

And folk said that we were harsh...

I think “resign” is just a way for him to help him keep his integrity in this, And that there will be compensation agreed ..

[bigwheel]

I think if Lennon fancies working again he will have decent options . Other than Bolton, he has had success everywhere and with Celtic some big successes ...all managers end up getting sacked, I would think that will matter little clubs looking at him..

He’s still young - Wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him managing again. Could see Aberdeen going for him if they get rid of McInnes (for example)

[Since452]

I think if Lennon fancies working again he will have decent options . Other than Bolton, he has had success everywhere and with Celtic some big successes ...all managers end up getting sacked, I would think that will matter little clubs looking at him..

He’s still young - Wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him managing again. Could see Aberdeen going for him if they get rid of McInnes (for example)

He'll be lucky. Left Celtic and Hibs poorer teams than the ones he took over

[Brightside]

Celtic giving him a new contract in the first place was the big mistake. They had it far to easy and started investing income far too late and with no real plan to build. They pretty much need a whole new defence. Who ever gets that gig will have a hard job catching Rangers. Celtic fans are not going to except any chat about Stevie Clarke etc.

[G B Young]

I think he's looked a far more relaxed man the few weeks and that's because he knew he was always about to do this.

Wish him all the best. He's suffered some horrible stuff and pretty shameful in this country.

I wish him nothing but the very best.

Good luck Neil.

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Yep, I really enjoyed the vast majority of his time at Hibs. All the best to him.

Hopefully we'll see Celtic turn in one of those 'post-manager' performances teams often seem to come up with and thump Aberdeen this weekend.

[Crunchie]

I think “resign” is just a way for him to help him keep his integrity in this, And that there will be compensation agreed ..
Agreed, it was clear there was no way he was resigning or he would have long before now. Biscuit tin mentality still prevails at Celtic Park it would seem, he should have been sacked a long time ago.

[Crunchie]

Yep, I really enjoyed the vast majority of his time at Hibs. All the best to him.

Hopefully we'll see Celtic turn in one of those 'post-manager' performances teams often seem to come up with and thump Aberdeen this weekend.
I didn't enjoy the vast majority of games we played in the Championship.

[Dmas]

I think if Lennon fancies working again he will have decent options . Other than Bolton, he has had success everywhere and with Celtic some big successes ...all managers end up getting sacked, I would think that will matter little clubs looking at him..

He’s still young - Wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him managing again. Could see Aberdeen going for him if they get rid of McInnes (for example)

He’ll have no bother getting work in this country I’d be very surprised to see him get a look in at championship level or above down south

[jacomo]

He'll be lucky. Left Celtic and Hibs poorer teams than the ones he took over


:agree:

I think it’s time for him to work on his media career.

No other club in Scotland will want him because it’s clear that Celtc is his one true love and everything else is a consolation prize to him. And his record outside Scotland is poor.

[bigwheel]

:agree:

I think it’s time for him to work on his media career.

No other club in Scotland will want him because it’s clear that Celtc is his one true love and everything else is a consolation prize to him. And his record outside Scotland is poor.

Do you really think that Jacomo?

I’d say that other than Celtic, Rangers, us and Hearts that every other club in Scotland, if they had a vacancy, would likely jump at Lennon for their manager if they could get him ...

[Pretty Boy]

Lennon enjoyed success at Celtic but it's arguable his failures are more notable.

1st time around lost a semi final to 1st division Ross County, lost a League Cup Final to Rangers, finished behind Rangers in the league, lost a League Cup Final to Kilmarnock, pumped out the League Cup by Morton, beaten in the Scottish Cup by Aberdeen, lost a semi final to Hearts. 2nd time around he saw their unbeaten run in Cup games end and the big one is obviously blowing ten in a row.

I enjoyed much of Lennon's times at Hibs but there were baffling and costly mistakes here as well. I don't buy into the great manager chat. A decent enough manager but miles behind his predecessor at Celtic and arguably behind his opposite number at Rangers as well now.

[calumhibee1]

Lennon enjoyed success at Celtic but it's arguable his failures are more notable.

1st time around lost a semi final to 1st division Ross County, lost a League Cup Final to Rangers, finished behind Rangers in the league, lost a League Cup Final to Kilmarnock, pumped out the League Cup by Morton, beaten in the Scottish Cup by Aberdeen. 2nd time around he saw their unbeaten run in Cup games end and the big one is obviously blowing ten in a row.

I enjoyed much of Lennon's times at Hibs but there were baffling and costly mistakes here as well. I don't buy into the great manager chat. A decent enough manager but miles behind his predecessor at Celtic and arguably behind his opposite number at Rangers as well now.

He’s miles behind Gerrard as a manager imo.

Lennon probably has a better first 11 at his disposal but there’s no way he would ever manage to get them playing with the style, consistency and quality that Gerrard has Rangers playing with.

[superfurryhibby]

Do you really think that Jacomo?

I’d say that other than Celtic, Rangers, us and Hearts that every other club in Scotland, if they had a vacancy, would likely jump at Lennon for their manager if they could get him ...

No chance would Aberdeen want him either. That doesn’t really leave that much for Lennon to work with, given he’s really not that good a manager.

[bingo70]

I think Lennon would be well suited to a job abroad without the pressures or history he’s had here.

MLS or Australia would be my bet and I think it would be great for him.

[bigwheel]

I think Lennon would be well suited to a job abroad without the pressures or history he’s had here.

MLS or Australia would be my bet and I think it would be great for him.

Yeah. Good shout ....

[bigwheel]

No chance would Aberdeen want him either. That doesn’t really leave that much for Lennon to work with, given he’s really not that good a manager.

I take Lewis Stevenson’s view of him as the “best manager he has worked with” as an indication of how he is seen in the football world ...

[Peevemor]

I take Lewis Stevenson’s view of him as the “best manager he has worked with” as an indication of how he is seen in the football world ...

I think we can take any compliment given by the nicest man in the world with a pinch of salt.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

He’s finished now apart from as a pundit.

Hopeless manager who thought he was too good for Hibs.

He was fortunate to take over from proper managers who knew how to build great teams.

[hibsbollah]

I think we can take any compliment given by the nicest man in the world with a pinch of salt.

:agree: If Herr A Hitler was storming down the pavement on a mini scooter and smashed into Lewis, swearing and shouting, Lewis would apologise and offer to buy him a new one. It’s just the man he is.

[superfurryhibby]

I take Lewis Stevenson’s view of him as the “best manager he has worked with” as an indication of how he is seen in the football world ...

Nah, that’s how he is seen in Lewis’s world and he’s not really quoted when handing out the jobs. Lennon is toxic. He showed at Hibs that he can’t handle the pressure of working with a restricted budget. He will find work elsewhere, but it won’t be managing in Scotland.

[The Modfather]

About 18 months later than this this should have happened. He’s good at taking over a successful team in the short term, but once he starts to put his stamp on it he leaves an expensive mess for the next man to fix.

[easty]

It’s amazing he’s lasted as long as he has. If Celtc had got rid months ago, they might have had a chance to put pressure on Rangers.

He’s not the worlds worst manager, as some on here would like to make out, nor is he a brilliant manager.

His time at Hibs ended horrendously, his time at Celtc has ended in the same way, but I loved a lot of the football when he was here. I’m not about to pretend that didn’t happen just because he’s a prick.

[AgentDaleCooper]

I could see him touted as a replacement for mcinnes, whether he'd get the job i don't know though.

[AgentDaleCooper]

It’s amazing he’s lasted as long as he has. If Celtc had got rid months ago, they might have had a chance to put pressure on Rangers.

He’s not the worlds worst manager, as some on here would like to make out, nor is he a brilliant manager.

His time at Hibs ended horrendously, his time at Celtc has ended in the same way, but I loved a lot of the football when he was here. I’m not about to pretend that didn’t happen just because he’s a prick.

I don't think he's a prick. He's annoying sometimes, and really doesn't help himself, but he's a decent person IMO.

[easty]

I don't think he's a prick. He's annoying sometimes, and really doesn't help himself, but he's a decent person IMO.

I’m not anti-Neil Lennon at all, but I definitely think he’s a bit of a prick.

[Greenio]

He'll be lucky. Left Celtic and Hibs poorer teams than the ones he took over

Disagree.

Think he took aspects of Hibs as a football team to levels not seen since Mowbray. Sure, it ended badly, but then it always does unless they leave you doesn't it

He has a quality record and will get many decent offers when the time comes.

The best managers in the world get fired - doesn't make them unemployable - same for all standards.

[GreenCastle]

Considering some of the dross Hibs mangers we had like Butcher and Calderwood - I really didn’t mind Lennon - plus his season finishing 4th with 67 points was definitely entertaining. We could finish 3rd this season with less points and less losses/ more wins. Lennon drew quite a few games.

He got us out the Championship which was vital at that time.

He’s definitely had his moments but think the guy gets a serious amount of abuse. He can’t stand Hearts or Rangers so think a lot of it is over the top from Hibs fans - for example he was right about Flo.

[jacomo]

Do you really think that Jacomo?

I’d say that other than Celtic, Rangers, us and Hearts that every other club in Scotland, if they had a vacancy, would likely jump at Lennon for their manager if they could get him ...


No I really think that.

A motivated Lennon is a good manager. But it wouldn’t take long for him to get demotivated and despondent at any other Scottish club.

[Northernhibee]

I think we can take any compliment given by the nicest man in the world with a pinch of salt.

He also said that there were times he hated him and stories of not getting tactics or even a formation before a game.

If you’re asked in a job interview what you think of a previous manager you don’t speak too ill of them unless you’re fully comfortable with your audience and I think that is why superlatives flow more commonly than the horror stories for many managers.

He’s a decent manager but no way will a big club, even in Scotland, look at him and think he’s the answer.

[bigwheel]

I think we can take any compliment given by the nicest man in the world with a pinch of salt.

I don’t think that is fair ..Lewis is comfortable speaking his views. He made it clear he sees Lennon as the man who got the best out of him . Was a manager who set a different level of standard . He said Lennon had them going to Rangers and Celtic expecting to get something out of the game, unlike others ..there is no doubt he holds Lennon in high regard ..

[Northernhibee]

Not aware of the article you may be talking about. I got it from this interview around the time of his 500th appearance.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12184973/stevenson-qa-set-for-500

From a podcast with Lewis that’s up on Spotify, straight from the horses mouth. It actually makes Lennon sound like a Butcheresque dinosaur in places.

I won’t pretend that I didn’t love the five months of the end of the 17/18 season, because I did. Lennon was the luckiest man in the world when Celtic came in for Bain and the switcheroo happened so we got Allan in, but he got them playing some stunning football up to the point of crunch time.

Overall from day one I saw the things that infuriate me about him at Celtic - when he wins it’s him, when they don’t it’s somebody else. Tinkering with teams and a general air that the club wasn’t as big as him, way too much about Celtic and his time there floating about the club through press conferences, Q&A sessions where his biggest fans on here would tell us that things he said didn’t mean that at all. Hibs became a sideshow and that infuriated me.

The outburst at Tynecastle should have seen his bags packed. We didn’t win because he tried to be too clever and after a season where we’d backed him well I thought his comments were downright disrespectful as a result. Similarly his later “rejects and free transfer” comment.

Add to that, outwith the few months it not just clicked but was actually stunning football (to his credit) I just found the football dull and disjointed. We could go and beat Rangers at Ibrox but would then get pumped by Hamilton and drop points to Dundee. That season when we finished 4th we would have finished second if we hadn’t dropped the points we did against Hamilton and Dundee through the season.

I understand why some people loved it - if you prefer an “old school” manager then he’s that personified but I found him a grating character who grabbed more headlines than the club, and ultimately that’s who I support and care about.

Tellingly, I get the feeling both Celtic and Bolton supporters who don’t go for the old school managers would say the above.

[gbhibby]

I thought He had us playing some really good attractive football also changed the mentality of the team. Wish him all the best. Needs to take a break from management though. I am sure you will see him on TV soon as a pundit.

[MWHIBBIES]

The guy isn't finished. Not a good manager but plenty of clubs would hire him. Worldwide, hundreds of clubs would take him.

[gbhibby]

Notice Jack Ross is not been quoted for the job at the moment

[Hibernia&Alba]

I don't understand why it's taken so long; it's been inevitable for months, yet Celtic allowed it to drag on and on. Everyone could see he had lost the dressing room. Most likely it will be a caretaker until the end of the season, then they need to find a quality replacement, like Rodgers was. Lennon has been an excellent servant to Celtic over many years, but now he will always be remembered as the guy who blew ten-in-a-row.

[Wakeyhibee]

Overall I enjoyed the football during his time at Hibs, I also liked his attitude towards playing the OF. Always thought we could get a result when we played them.

Other sides to him obviously let him down and in the end it was best to get rid.

It's hard to tell how much success was him and how much was partly inherited, same as with Bolton, hard to judge when the club was a fiasco back then.

I'm sure he'll be fine for jobs in football or punditry, probably lined up for the Euros.

[calumhibee1]

The guy isn't finished. Not a good manager but plenty of clubs would hire him. Worldwide, hundreds of clubs would take him.

Of course. I’d suggest that for most folk though there’s a level you’re willing to drop to before you call it a day in that particular field. I’d think to get an opportunity that Lennon would probably need to drop considerably lower than he ever has done before and I doubt he’d bother.

[ballengeich]

Leaving now removes the risk of being in charge when Rangers clinch the title at Celtic Park. Someone else can have that on their cv.

[EI255]

He'll be lucky. Left Celtic and Hibs poorer teams than the ones he took overA bit unfair as he wasn't given anywhere near the same money as Rogers but was expected to hit the same heights.

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[Northernhibee]

A bit unfair as he wasn't given anywhere near the same money as Rogers but was expected to hit the same heights.

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But did have a better team - one on paper that I'd have ahead of the Rangers squad - and he's made players who looked like superstars under Rogers not that great at all. He was also given a big whack of money to spend in the summer and brought in the likes of Barkas, Duffy and other similar failures.

All he had to do was win the title from what should have been a big headstart squad wise and previous season position wise and he;d have been the 10IAR winning manager. He oversaw a Celtic team play a lower league team in a cup final and blew a 2-0 and 3-2 lead and just won it on penalties.

With the budget he still had there's no way they should be eighteen points adrift of Rangers. No way at all. The season where he took over from Rogers they won the title by 9 points, that's a 27 point swing in two seasons. Horrendous.

[Magpie]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go abroad next.

[The Modfather]

A bit unfair as he wasn't given anywhere near the same money as Rogers but was expected to hit the same heights.

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He spent £35m over his 2 1/2 seasons. Hard to argue he wasn’t backed in the transfer market.

In that same period Rangers spent £20m. Rodgers looks to have spent £32m while at Celtc.

Figures taken from transfer market below, but it’s fallacy that Lennon wasn’t backed or wasn’t backed as much as others.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/celtic-fc/transfers/verein/371/plus/1?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

[calumhibee1]

A bit unfair as he wasn't given anywhere near the same money as Rogers but was expected to hit the same heights.

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He spent more than Rodgers in considerably less time in charge and inherited a much better side on top of that.

[MWHIBBIES]

A bit unfair as he wasn't given anywhere near the same money as Rogers but was expected to hit the same heights.

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Rogers inherited a mess. Lennon inherited a team with about 3 defeats in 2 years. Like comparing Stubbs to Lennon. One inherited a mess, worked with it and achieved great things. The other road that wave for a while but when it came to making his own decisions, ****ed it.

[Greenbeard]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go abroad next.
His future in football management is Finnish I think.
A wee break, a bit of golf, let the dust settle and he'll make some pocket money as a tv pundit.

[The Modfather]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go abroad next.

I don’t think he will, and part of the problem seems to be his unwillingness to embrace more modern methods. However Mixu says he went away after Hibs and took in training around Europe and re-evaluated things. He says he came back a far better managed for doing so and his next job, Killie I think, he did well. Think Lennon needs to do similar if he still wants to manage.

[ancient hibee]

But did have a better team - one on paper that I'd have ahead of the Rangers squad - and he's made players who looked like superstars under Rogers not that great at all. He was also given a big whack of money to spend in the summer and brought in the likes of Barkas, Duffy and other similar failures.

All he had to do was win the title from what should have been a big headstart squad wise and previous season position wise and he;d have been the 10IAR winning manager. He oversaw a Celtic team play a lower league team in a cup final and blew a 2-0 and 3-2 lead and just won it on penalties.

With the budget he still had there's no way they should be eighteen points adrift of Rangers. No way at all. The season where he took over from Rogers they won the title by 9 points, that's a 27 point swing in two seasons. Horrendous.

If you don't have a decent goalie you don't win anything. That was a huge failure by whoever failed to get Forster back and compounded it by pulling out the biscuit tin instead of the wallet while dealing with Gordon. Losing James Forrest also had a huge effect as he does a huge amount in terms of goals,assists and defending. Any points swing should surely take into account a dramatic improvement in Rangers form.

[J-C]

Bang average manager who does well with other peoples squad but has zero idea when it comes to buying players or building a squad. Reminds me a bit like Jose when he gets the senior players behind him all the rest follow but as soon as those senior players see through all the BS, it all quickly falls apart.

Seemingly a very decent bloke away from football but now a dinosaur in term of coaching, man management and technology, no surprise he's resigned from 3 positions and asked to leave by us.

[worcesterhibby]

Any points swing should surely take into account a dramatic improvement in Rangers form.

Your absolutely right, the way Rangers have played, 10IAR was never a cert, but this season Celtic have capitulated it should have gone down to the final few games, it looks like it will be won before the split.

[Northernhibee]

If you don't have a decent goalie you don't win anything. That was a huge failure by whoever failed to get Forster back and compounded it by pulling out the biscuit tin instead of the wallet while dealing with Gordon. Losing James Forrest also had a huge effect as he does a huge amount in terms of goals,assists and defending. Any points swing should surely take into account a dramatic improvement in Rangers form.

In a two horse race, you're only ever going to be compared to your rivals. The fact we still have a slim chance of finishing 2nd is absolutely damning.

Lennon has been backed; moreso financially than Rogers it would seem. There is no way in hell that even with Rangers form improving that Celtic should find themselves as much as eighteen points behind.

I played golf with an ex SPL player who took up a "normal" job in the same company that I was working for at the time and heard a few things of what Butcher's management was like through him (he had Butcher as a manager at a club he was at). Some of the things he said resonated with some of the stories that came out of Easter Road. Lennon is, undoubtedly, a better manager than Butcher, of that there is no question. However Alex Ferguson spoke of how he needed to evolve, that the "hairdryer" treatment no longer was as effective as in the past so he had to evolve. Even Dick Campbell, one of the most old school managers in the lower leagues who has had countless promotions has spoken of evolving. Lennon doesn't seem to have evolved as a manager in his time off the pitch and if you don't evolve, you become obsolete. I tend to think that's what's happened.

[660]

JR is a better manager than Lennon

[The 90+2]

JR is a better manager than Lennon

Miles better.

[wookie70]

I don’t think he will, and part of the problem seems to be his unwillingness to embrace more modern methods. However Mixu says he went away after Hibs and took in training around Europe and re-evaluated things. He says he came back a far better managed for doing so and his next job, Killie I think, he did well. Think Lennon needs to do similar if he still wants to manage.

I can't see him doing that either. To grow you have to accept your frailties and Lennon doesn't seem to think he has any. He has been unbelievably lucky in taking over two brilliant teams and despite backing greater than those that built those teams he has turned them into shells of their former selves. He is a dinosaur tactically and in terms of man management. Lewis may be able to take the hairdryer and play in a good position in the park despite no instruction but that isn't what most players need or want.

He has ran away again from facing up to the mess he created and he should have been man enough to see the season out. It is the resignation equivalent of throwing yourself to the ground after a glancing blow on the chest from a two bob bit. If he had resigned 3 or 4 months back when it was abundantly clear he had no clue what to do with a fantastic group of players then fair enough. However, he has snuck out just before The Thes have the title mathematically secured.

[Magpie]

I don’t think he will, and part of the problem seems to be his unwillingness to embrace more modern methods. However Mixu says he went away after Hibs and took in training around Europe and re-evaluated things. He says he came back a far better managed for doing so and his next job, Killie I think, he did well. Think Lennon needs to do similar if he still wants to manage.

He has openly spoken about working abroad before and said after he left us that he’s only 47 and still wants to manage. I don’t know if anything has changed after leaving Celtic but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back in a dugout within the next couple of years.

[Northernhibee]

I can't see him doing that either. To grow you have to accept your frailties and Lennon doesn't seem to think he has any. He has been unbelievably lucky in taking over two brilliant teams and despite backing greater than those that built those teams he has turned them into shells of their former selves. He is a dinosaur tactically and in terms of man management. Lewis may be able to take the hairdryer and play in a good position in the park despite no instruction but that isn't what most players need or want.

He has ran away again from facing up to the mess he created and he should have been man enough to see the season out. It is the resignation equivalent of throwing yourself to the ground after a glancing blow on the chest from a two bob bit. If he had resigned 3 or 4 months back when it was abundantly clear he had no clue what to do with a fantastic group of players then fair enough. However, he has snuck out just before The Thes have the title mathematically secured.

If you were to look at how Jack Ross has managed Josh Doig; coaching him through games, helping him remove mistakes, taking him out of the team and protecting him where he needs protected, throwing him into big games well equipped to do well and learn and then ask the question if Josh would be where he is now under previous managers, it's an interesting question. I think he would be under Stubbs, not so much under Heckingbottom or Lennon.

[Highwayman]

If at this time last year,someone submitted a script to a tv company on Celtics forthcoming season along the lines of :-

1) Club sign one no hoper dud after another for significant sums.

2) Manager presides over one disaster after another and finally “resigns”.

3) Assisant manager who has been part of the disasters takes over till end of season.

4) Long standing CEO resigns. His successor a rugby herbert doesn’t, take over until the summer.

5) And so on,and so on.

The tv company’s view would probably have been,this is too unbelievable,the public would never accept it.

[B.H.F.C]

If you were to look at how Jack Ross has managed Josh Doig; coaching him through games, helping him remove mistakes, taking him out of the team and protecting him where he needs protected, throwing him into big games well equipped to do well and learn and then ask the question if Josh would be where he is now under previous managers, it's an interesting question. I think he would be under Stubbs, not so much under Heckingbottom or Lennon.

For Lennon’s failings it was him that brought Porteous in to the team. Gave Oli Shaw his fair share of opportunities as well, starting him at places like Tynecastle.

[Northernhibee]

For Lennon’s failings it was him that brought Porteous in to the team. Gave Oli Shaw his fair share of opportunities as well, starting him at places like Tynecastle.

But similarly the management of Porteous when his knee popped out in a game was questionable, similarly with Tierney at Celtic. It's not a case of just bringing a player into a team, it's managing them when they need to be taken out of the team again, when they need to be protected and how to bring this about.

[B.H.F.C]

But similarly the management of Porteous when his knee popped out in a game was questionable, similarly with Tierney at Celtic. It's not a case of just bringing a player into a team, it's managing them when they need to be taken out of the team again, when they need to be protected and how to bring this about.

He couldn’t prevent Porteous’s knee popping out. Medical folk are there to advise on that, unless you know he went against their advice?

He only had Tierney for a couple of months at Celtic as well.

[Northernhibee]

He couldn’t prevent Porteous’s knee popping out. Medical folk are there to advise on that, unless you know he went against their advice?

He only had Tierney for a couple of months at Celtic as well.

You should listen to Tierney's interview on that YouTube channel with Si Ferry. It's absolutely illuminating and the way he was treated and not protected in his final months with Celtic - if his take on things is accurate - is appalling.

A good manager knows when not to risk a young player and if his knee pops out even once in a game, you protect him and take him off.

There have been a few times this season where Jack Ross has identified that Doig was struggling or tiring and he's brought him off, brought on an experienced head in Lewis and not allowed Doig to get demotivated or dispirited. If he's needed to work on an element of his game, Stevenson has had a few starts and then Doig has come back a better player every single time. Doig would have gotten games under Lennon but I'm not sure he'd have had the protection or development he's had under Ross.

There's no way that you can look at a young player whose knee has popped out and not thought about protecting him. No way at all.

[wookie70]

If at this time last year,someone submitted a script to a tv company on Celtics forthcoming season along the lines of :-

1) Club sign one no hoper dud after another for significant sums.

2) Manager presides over one disaster after another and finally “resigns”.

3) Assisant manager who has been part of the disasters takes over till end of season.

4) Long standing CEO resigns. His successor a rugby herbert doesn’t, take over until the summer.

5) And so on,and so on.

The tv company’s view would probably have been,this is too unbelievable,the public would never accept it.

It was entirely predictable to many Hibs members of the public. There were signs last season and it is always an ever decreasing circle with Lennon

[B.H.F.C]

You should listen to Tierney's interview on that YouTube channel with Si Ferry. A good manager knows when not to risk a young player and if his knee pops out even once in a game, you protect him and take him off.

There have been a few times this season where Jack Ross has identified that Doig was struggling or tiring and he's brought him off, brought on an experienced head in Lewis and not allowed Doig to get demotivated or dispirited. If he's needed to work on an element of his game, Stevenson has had a few starts and then Doig has come back a better player every single time.

There's no way that you can look at a young player whose knee has popped out and not thought about protecting him. No way at all.

So as I say, you don’t know what the medical advice was.

I think there is absolutely loads he can be criticised for by the way. There are some criticisms, or playing down of the good things he did, that I find a bit odd though.

[wookie70]

You should listen to Tierney's interview on that YouTube channel with Si Ferry. It's absolutely illuminating and the way he was treated and not protected in his final months with Celtic - if his take on things is accurate - is appalling.

A good manager knows when not to risk a young player and if his knee pops out even once in a game, you protect him and take him off.

There have been a few times this season where Jack Ross has identified that Doig was struggling or tiring and he's brought him off, brought on an experienced head in Lewis and not allowed Doig to get demotivated or dispirited. If he's needed to work on an element of his game, Stevenson has had a few starts and then Doig has come back a better player every single time. Doig would have gotten games under Lennon but I'm not sure he'd have had the protection or development he's had under Ross.

There's no way that you can look at a young player whose knee has popped out and not thought about protecting him. No way at all.

I agree with all that. Doig has been very well managed this year. He is developing really well and it looks like there is a great balance with him being allowed to make the mistakes to learn but is also being given time out to reflect. Porteous has also lost his place after a loss of form and I hope he will return having learnt from what Daz has brought to the team. That development could net Hibs a very large sum that would pay for Jack Ross's entire tenure here. The Porteous knee game was crazy and showed a complete disregard for a players well being for me. It was obvious what had happened and given the lack of experience of the player the manager should have taken him off to be on the safe side.

[Sioux]

Lennon enjoyed success at Celtic but it's arguable his failures are more notable.

1st time around lost a semi final to 1st division Ross County, lost a League Cup Final to Rangers, finished behind Rangers in the league, lost a League Cup Final to Kilmarnock, pumped out the League Cup by Morton, beaten in the Scottish Cup by Aberdeen, lost a semi final to Hearts. 2nd time around he saw their unbeaten run in Cup games end and the big one is obviously blowing ten in a row.

I enjoyed much of Lennon's times at Hibs but there were baffling and costly mistakes here as well. I don't buy into the great manager chat. A decent enough manager but miles behind his predecessor at Celtic and arguably behind his opposite number at Rangers as well now.

Hard to believe that a manager might lose some games. Even worse than, losing some so called 'big games'. What's the world coming to?
:greengrin

[Keith_M]

I think if Lennon had been replaced with a half decent manager last summer, then Celtc would still be in with a chance of winning the league this season.

I'm not saying they would definitely win it, as The Rangers have improved a lot this season, but I don't think Celtc would have collapsed as badly as they have under Lennon.

[Since452]

He'll probably go and manage a team in Saudi Arabia or somewhere and make himself a fortune and why not.

Getting Lennon in as an interim after Rodgers was a good idea by Celtic. Keeping him on permanently was a disaster. Shambolic call. Lennon is an impact manager, he doesn't have longevity. Once players start switching off to his ranting and raving he's finished as that's what he's all about. His tactics and team selections have always been poor.

[Just_Jimmy]

From a podcast with Lewis that’s up on Spotify, straight from the horses mouth. It actually makes Lennon sound like a Butcheresque dinosaur in places.

I won’t pretend that I didn’t love the five months of the end of the 17/18 season, because I did. Lennon was the luckiest man in the world when Celtic came in for Bain and the switcheroo happened so we got Allan in, but he got them playing some stunning football up to the point of crunch time.

Overall from day one I saw the things that infuriate me about him at Celtic - when he wins it’s him, when they don’t it’s somebody else. Tinkering with teams and a general air that the club wasn’t as big as him, way too much about Celtic and his time there floating about the club through press conferences, Q&A sessions where his biggest fans on here would tell us that things he said didn’t mean that at all. Hibs became a sideshow and that infuriated me.

The outburst at Tynecastle should have seen his bags packed. We didn’t win because he tried to be too clever and after a season where we’d backed him well I thought his comments were downright disrespectful as a result. Similarly his later “rejects and free transfer” comment.

Add to that, outwith the few months it not just clicked but was actually stunning football (to his credit) I just found the football dull and disjointed. We could go and beat Rangers at Ibrox but would then get pumped by Hamilton and drop points to Dundee. That season when we finished 4th we would have finished second if we hadn’t dropped the points we did against Hamilton and Dundee through the season.

I understand why some people loved it - if you prefer an “old school” manager then he’s that personified but I found him a grating character who grabbed more headlines than the club, and ultimately that’s who I support and care about.

Tellingly, I get the feeling both Celtic and Bolton supporters who don’t go for the old school managers would say the above.that's a superb summary of how I felt about him too.

I tried so hard to warm to him and I enjoyed plenty games but I just couldn't take to him at all. I posted on her about it too.

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[Pagan Hibernia]

Enjoyed his time at Hibs immensely from summer 16 to October 18.

Nov ‘18- jan ‘19 not so much.

wish him all the best in anything he does in future.

[Northernhibee]

So as I say, you don’t know what the medical advice was.

I think there is absolutely loads he can be criticised for by the way. There are some criticisms, or playing down of the good things he did, that I find a bit odd though.

I don't need medical advice to know that hitting my thumb with a hammer isn't a good idea. If a players knee pops out twice in a game then I'm thinking whether or not I want to risk it happening again, even if he "may" be able to play on. And that's "if" the medical advice was to keep him on (which I would love to hear if a medical professional seen nothing wrong in a players knee popping out twice).

Listen to this from an hour in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Ibl92_FoA - if it was a one off with not taking a precaution with Porteous then I may agree with you, but this makes it sound like a pattern.

[superfurryhibby]

From a podcast with Lewis that’s up on Spotify, straight from the horses mouth. It actually makes Lennon sound like a Butcheresque dinosaur in places.

I won’t pretend that I didn’t love the five months of the end of the 17/18 season, because I did. Lennon was the luckiest man in the world when Celtic came in for Bain and the switcheroo happened so we got Allan in, but he got them playing some stunning football up to the point of crunch time.

Overall from day one I saw the things that infuriate me about him at Celtic - when he wins it’s him, when they don’t it’s somebody else. Tinkering with teams and a general air that the club wasn’t as big as him, way too much about Celtic and his time there floating about the club through press conferences, Q&A sessions where his biggest fans on here would tell us that things he said didn’t mean that at all. Hibs became a sideshow and that infuriated me.

The outburst at Tynecastle should have seen his bags packed. We didn’t win because he tried to be too clever and after a season where we’d backed him well I thought his comments were downright disrespectful as a result. Similarly his later “rejects and free transfer” comment.

Add to that, outwith the few months it not just clicked but was actually stunning football (to his credit) I just found the football dull and disjointed. We could go and beat Rangers at Ibrox but would then get pumped by Hamilton and drop points to Dundee. That season when we finished 4th we would have finished second if we hadn’t dropped the points we did against Hamilton and Dundee through the season.

I understand why some people loved it - if you prefer an “old school” manager then he’s that personified but I found him a grating character who grabbed more headlines than the club, and ultimately that’s who I support and care about.

Tellingly, I get the feeling both Celtic and Bolton supporters who don’t go for the old school managers would say the above.


Just for clarity, this is Lewis Stevenson discussing Lennon?

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm not sure how to calculate the type of job he could get next. The pinnacle of his managerial career was celtic, hibs and Bolton are minnows compared, so saying he won't get as big a job in the future is not really sticking your neck out. He could roll up at some point in the future with a club like Stoke or Sunderland much bigger clubs than hibs or Bolton in the grand scheme of things, but probably not as big as celtic.

[Northernhibee]

Just for clarity, this is Lewis Stevenson discussing Lennon?

Stevenson's comment on the podcast is about how he'd sometimes just read out a list of players without a formation and the rest was for the team to figure out. Also that you'd need to get out of his way if he was walking the other way down a corridor, his comments to Lewis when he'd returned from his international appearance and the like. Can't mind the name of the podcast but it's on Spotify and I highly recommend it. Admittedly Stevenson says that Lennon's the best manager he's worked under, but I get the feeling that Lewis is one of just a few who'd respond to that style of management.

The rest of it is my feelings on Lennon's time at the club and how there are parallels between the two jobs. Get the team playing well for a while but when it comes to the rebuild the ability isn't there, and the humility to be able to reflect and figure out where to evolve and improve not being there.

[superfurryhibby]

Stevenson's comment on the podcast is about how he'd sometimes just read out a list of players without a formation and the rest was for the team to figure out.

The rest of it is my feelings on Lennon's time at the club and how there are parallels between the two jobs. Get the team playing well for a while but when it comes to the rebuild the ability isn't there, and the humility to be able to reflect and figure out where to evolve and improve not being there.

Right.

It’s a superb summary. Says all that needs said.

[Northernhibee]

I'm not sure how to calculate the type of job he could get next. The pinnacle of his managerial career was celtic, hibs and Bolton are minnows compared, so saying he won't get as big a job in the future is not really sticking your neck out. He could roll up at some point in the future with a club like Stoke or Sunderland much bigger clubs than hibs or Bolton in the grand scheme of things, but probably not as big as celtic.

Sunderland might oddly be a decent shout. A big enough club for Lennon to be able to take it with his ego intact, but low down enough in the standings that he's probably higher up the list of candidates they could realistically attract.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't need medical advice to know that hitting my thumb with a hammer isn't a good idea. If a players knee pops out twice in a game then I'm thinking whether or not I want to risk it happening again, even if he "may" be able to play on. And that's "if" the medical advice was to keep him on (which I would love to hear if a medical professional seen nothing wrong in a players knee popping out twice).

Listen to this from an hour in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Ibl92_FoA - if it was a one off with not taking a precaution with Porteous then I may agree with you, but this makes it sound like a pattern.

Of course there is a pattern of players playing when they’re not completely right. It happens in every game. Tierney talks about how he’d been playing with injections etc. Shocking that Brendan would put him through all that eh.

The incident with us I’d say Lennon deserved criticism if the physio told him he needed to take Porteous off and Lennon told him to ram it. If a physio says someone is OK to continue, I don’t think there are many managers who would take someone off.

[Sir David Gray]

Not surprised he's gone, a little surprised at the timing although it's perhaps with season ticket renewals on the horizon and maybe Lennon not wanting to be in charge when Rangers win the title.

[heretoday]

Sunderland might oddly be a decent shout. A big enough club for Lennon to be able to take it with his ego intact, but low down enough in the standings that he's probably higher up the list of candidates they could realistically attract.

Good shout.

[Andy74]

Right.

It’s a superb summary. Says all that needs said.

There's also that time that Lewis Stevenson rated Neil Lennon as the best manager he's ever played for.

[Northernhibee]

Of course there is a pattern of players playing when they’re not completely right. It happens in every game. Tierney talks about how he’d been playing with injections etc. Shocking that Brendan would put him through all that eh.

The incident with us I’d say Lennon deserved criticism if the physio told him he needed to take Porteous off and Lennon told him to ram it. If a physio says someone is OK to continue, I don’t think there are many managers who would take someone off.

Incidentally, do you know that's what the medical advice was? Just to see if we're both working off speculation, not a dig.

[B.H.F.C]

Incidentally, do you know that's what the medical advice was? Just to see if we're both working off speculation, not a dig.

No I don’t. But I’m not criticising him for it. And, as I say, if the physio said get him off but was ignored, that’d be wrong and worthy of criticism.

[Northernhibee]

There's also that time that Lewis Stevenson rated Neil Lennon as the best manager he's ever played for.


I admire your defence of him and I think I feel about Stubbs and Jack Ross what you feel about Lennon (an admiration of the person as well as the manager and the way they've handled their stint of responsibility with our club) but much as I have to accept that Stubbs didn't get us promoted and Jack Ross has lost a couple of cup semi finals badly now, that quote in itself doesn't balance out his now damaged track record.

There are also plenty of players who don't feel the same way about Lennon's management - McGeouch for one and I'd love to now Leigh Griffiths feelings on this morning.

[Northernhibee]

No I don’t. But I’m not criticising him for it. And, as I say, if the physio said get him off but was ignored, that’d be wrong and worthy of criticism.

I'd still say if a players knee - particularly a young, developing player like Porto - comes out twice in a game, it's time to protect him, take no risks and go from there.

I have mixed feelings about Porto - he's a very good young defender but he should have bigger clubs in the winter of 2021 coming in for him than Millwall. The player that he is in February 2021 isn't as good a player as he could have been at this moment in time, the injury can't have helped but I do fear that we've missed out on a free fish supper with the way he's developed.

Still a very good defender who I think could go down south to a decent Championship team, but he had promise to be a top, top player.

[ian cruise]

Not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Like many i enjoyed aspects of Neil Lennon tenure at Hibs. I was excited by the appointment. Initially I was disappointed with our performances but we were getting the wins as well as drawing games you suspected we'd have previously lost, so found it hard to complain.

In the Premiership things clicked and we had a brilliant, short run. It was a great time to be a Hibee.

Unfortunately it became more about Neil Lennon than the club and it had to end when it did. We've arguably emerged stronger after a short period of readjustment.

Any Hibs fan watching what has happened at Celtic must have been experiencing serious deja vu. There is no excuse for how far behind Rangers they are given where they were before this season and we're hearing familiar woe is me type press conferences when his team need leadership.

As for what is next, I can only see Neil Lennon doing pundit work. It would need to be an Aberdeen or something to tempt him in Scotland and I really don't think his stock is very high outside of our leagues. I also am not sure he'd want to manage out with the top flight of England and he's not getting a Premiership job.

Who Celtic get in will be interesting. If they aren't uber ambitious it's a great opportunity for a club like ourselves to take advantage next season.

[Andy74]

I admire your defence of him and I think I feel about Stubbs and Jack Ross what you feel about Lennon (an admiration of the person as well as the manager and the way they've handled their stint of responsibility with our club) but much as I have to accept that Stubbs didn't get us promoted and Jack Ross has lost a couple of cup semi finals badly now, that quote in itself doesn't balance out his now damaged track record.

There are also plenty of players who don't feel the same way about Lennon's management - McGeouch for one and I'd love to now Leigh Griffiths feelings on this morning.

It simply counters the suggestion that Stevenson didn’t rate Lennon and that there was no more to say on it.

Despite the suggestions on here McGeouch also enjoyed working with Lennon.

I’m sure though not every player likes every manager, that is completely normal.

The truth is largely going to be in the middle. It is the extreme reaction here that he is some sort of tyrant / dinosaur / bad manager that really isn’t the case.

[flash]

At the end of the day he won a load of trophies at Celtic in his first spell there that anyone on here would have won giving the advantages they had at the time. In fact his cup record was pretty poor.
His spells at Hibs, Bolton and this time around at Celtic have all ended in a bad way.
He was a breath of fresh air when he first arrived at Hibs but that same air was toxic by the time he left.

[jacomo]

So as I say, you don’t know what the medical advice was.

I think there is absolutely loads he can be criticised for by the way. There are some criticisms, or playing down of the good things he did, that I find a bit odd though.


You’ve just played down a legitimate criticism there!

[The 90+2]

Crap. I want Celtic to win the league now.

Lennon is a ******. He couldn’t give one ***** about Hibernian. Dempster and Petrie will be having a good day.

[B.H.F.C]

You’ve just played down a legitimate criticism there!

Because I don’t think it’s a valid criticism.

That’s not because I’ve got any desire to defend Neil Lennon. If you asked me about his transfer window in summer 2019, tactics in the Aberdeen semi final or at Tynecastle, I’d say criticism is valid. There are other things that he gets criticised for that I don’t agree with though.

[SHODAN]

Quick, sack Ross so we can re-appoint the born winner!

[jacomo]

It simply counters the suggestion that Stevenson didn’t rate Lennon and that there was no more to say on it.

Despite the suggestions on here McGeouch also enjoyed working with Lennon.

I’m sure though not every player likes every manager, that is completely normal.

The truth is largely going to be in the middle. It is the extreme reaction here that he is some sort of tyrant / dinosaur / bad manager that really isn’t the case.


With respect, it’s people like you who seem unable to accept any of Lennon’s shortcomings who are having the more extreme reaction.

I’ve not seen any of the haters deny that parts of his tenure at Hibs were very good, but you seem unable to accept any negatives at all.

[jacomo]

Quick, sack Ross so we can re-appoint the born winner!


Lennon’s holding out for the Leicester job.

:wink:

[jacomo]

Because I don’t think it’s a valid criticism.

That’s not because I’ve got any desire to defend Neil Lennon. If you asked me about his transfer window in summer 2019, tactics in the Aberdeen semi final or at Tynecastle, I’d say criticism is valid. There are other things that he gets criticised for that I don’t agree with though.


Fair enough. None of us know enough either way, although it caused concern at the time and rightly so.

I think most of us non-medical people would assume that any kind of knee problem should see that player removed from the game asap.

[04Sauzee]

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[Peevemor]

Resigned

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[G B Young]

Steve Clarke the bookies favourite to replace him.

Seems the obvious choice. He'd likely have to quit Scotland before the Euros bearing in mind the rebuild required at Celtic but hard to imagine he wouldn't jump at the chance.

[Since90+2]

Lennon's performance this season has been shambolic.

Despite having the biggest budget in the league they have been absolutely brutal and Rangers miles better than them.

He's been found out as manager and will never manage at the top level again.

[blackpoolhibs]

Lennon's performance this season has been shambolic.

Despite having the biggest budget in the league they have been absolutely brutal and Rangers miles better than them.

He's been found out as manager and will never manage at the top level again.

He's never managed at the top level, so i agree with you. If he wants to manage again, i'm pretty sure it will be a bigger club than ours.

[ballengeich]

Seems the obvious choice. He'd likely have to quit Scotland before the Euros bearing in mind the rebuild required at Celtic but hard to imagine he wouldn't jump at the chance.
except that he once said that he was glad he moved to Chelsea as it got his family away from the sectarian bigotry in the west.

[hibee316]

He's never managed at the top level, so i agree with you. If he wants to manage again, i'm pretty sure it will be a bigger club than ours.

I honestly don't think he will get a decent gig ever again.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

[superfurryhibby]

There's also that time that Lewis Stevenson rated Neil Lennon as the best manager he's ever played for.

Much as I like Lewis, he's hardly the final word on the merits of a particular football manager :confused:

[bigwheel]

Much as I like Lewis, he's hardly the final word on the merits of a particular football manager :confused:

It’s his profession , he’s worked with many of them - yet you don’t think his opinion on a football manager more considered and valid than fans on a forum ?

[WhileTheChief..]

^^Goes both ways yeah?

If a player is saying Lennon is the worst manager they have played for and we’re to take that as gospel, then we can equally accept when someone says they loved playing for that same manager.

There have plenty examples of Hibs players quoted saying how much they loved their time here under Lennon.

[Billy Whizz]

They need to beat Aberdeen on Saturday, hope the players haven’t downed tools

[Scorrie]

They need to beat Aberdeen on Saturday, hope the players haven’t downed tools

But if they don’t and we win then helps us in bid for second place!

[JimBHibees]

Much as I like Lewis, he's hardly the final word on the merits of a particular football manager :confused:

Given the length of his career and the vast number of managers he has gone through I would say he would have an excellent insight into what constituted an excellent manager. A wee bit condescending to dismiss his view in this case imo.

[JimBHibees]

They need to beat Aberdeen on Saturday, hope the players haven’t downed tools

Think the opposite will be the case will play with the weight off their shoulders imo. They will need to finish the season strongly to try and get some of their fans onside.

[Since452]

He's never managed at the top level, so i agree with you. If he wants to manage again, i'm pretty sure it will be a bigger club than ours.

I'd be astonished if he gets a club bigger than Hibs

[Smartie]

I find it weird that this interview with Lewis is so often dragged up as a criticism of Lennon by Lewis, when in the same interview he clearly makes the point that of a good few managers he’s the one he rated the highest.

Lennon had some great times with us as well as some not so great times. Over the piece I found him to be an endearing Hibs manager and enjoyed the good times. The bad times weren’t exactly unforgivable either, and we’ve been left in much worse positions.

Funnily enough I think football can sometimes over complicate itself with fancy tactics etc and when you had a team as good as the one Lennon had during the second half of that season, you’re best off just picking the same team every week and telling them to go out and play. It takes strength to know when to do this and I think Lennon had that.

There are times when you need to do more - funnily enough Lennon often got himself into a tangle at these times.

I bear him more ill will for letting Sevco off the 10 in a row hook than I do for anything he did at Hibs. It still feels as though the jury is still out on his ability as a manager in spite of all he’s won, and I’d like to see him back in football and successful somewhere where it cannot hurt Hibs.

[Stanton Spence]

Much as I like Lewis, he's hardly the final word on the merits of a particular football manager :confused:Did Lewis say this stuff when Lennon was still the manager of hibs? If so then I agree you can take it with a pinch of salt

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[Allez Hibs]

Please don't come back to Scottish Football.

[superfurryhibby]

It’s his profession , he’s worked with many of them - yet you don’t think his opinion on a football manager more considered and valid than fans on a forum ?


Given the length of his career and the vast number of managers he has gone through I would say he would have an excellent insight into what constituted an excellent manager. A wee bit condescending to dismiss his view in this case imo.


Did Lewis say this stuff when Lennon was still the manager of hibs? If so then I agree you can take it with a pinch of salt

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https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lewis-stevenson-reveals-best-manager-and-names-unbelievable-team-mate-ahead-hibs-milestone-3092394?r=5892

Stevenson actually says that he played his best football under Lennon and that he got the best out of him during his time as manager. The comment was made fairly recently. The headline is quite misleading, but there again it is the Evening News.

If ai had made the comments above, I’d be feeling a hit embarrassed ( not you Stanton Spence).

“My best football time was probably under Neil Lennon. He got the best out of me. He was a hard taskmaster at times and we had some big fall-outs but I think he appreciated what I was doing for him and vice-versa. He got the best out of me and the best out of the team”

[calumhibee1]

I'd be astonished if he gets a club bigger than Hibs

No chance will he get a bigger job than Hibs imo. League One/League Two in England or one of the smaller teams in our league/Scottish Championship beckons if he wants to carry on as manager imo. And I’d very much doubt he’ll bother.

Relegated Bolton, done a decent enough job at Hibs to begin with which ended up an absolute **** show at the end and done a spectacularly bad job at Celtic. No chance any teams bigger than us are taking him on.

[WhileTheChief..]

Aberdeen within the year or if he’s willing to take a step down, Hearts or Dundee Utd.

[Magpie]

No chance will he get a bigger job than Hibs imo. League One/League Two in England or one of the smaller teams in our league/Scottish Championship beckons if he wants to carry on as manager imo. And I’d very much doubt he’ll bother.

Relegated Bolton, done a decent enough job at Hibs to begin with which ended up an absolute **** show at the end and done a spectacularly bad job at Celtic. No chance any teams bigger than us are taking him on.

Time will tell. Wouldn’t put it past him getting a job in the English Championship.

[bigwheel]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lewis-stevenson-reveals-best-manager-and-names-unbelievable-team-mate-ahead-hibs-milestone-3092394?r=5892

Stevenson actually says that he played his best football under Lennon and that he got the best out of him during his time as manager. The comment was made fairly recently. The headline is quite misleading, but there again it is the Evening News.

If ai had made the comments above, I’d be feeling a hit embarrassed ( not you Stanton Spence).

“My best football time was probably under Neil Lennon. He got the best out of me. He was a hard taskmaster at times and we had some big fall-outs but I think he appreciated what I was doing for him and vice-versa. He got the best out of me and the best out of the team”

He also in podcast talked about why he views Lennon as the best manager he had worked with , and yes, including he got the best out of him - but it was more than that

[bigwheel]

Lennon is certainly a man who creates division on this board . I have a lot of time for him as a manager, even though he has obvious flaws which emerge at times ...I’ll never understand the level of dislike for him from our support ..but it’s clear he is a marmite character on here ...

[Billy Whizz]

Lennon is certainly a man who creates division on this board . I have a lot of time for him as a manager, even though he has obvious flaws which emerge at times ...I’ll never understand the level of dislike for him from our support ..but it’s clear he is a marmite character on here ...

Of all the managers in recent years, along with John Collins, he went to most if not all Reserve/Development games, and coached the lads from the sidelines

[bigwheel]

Of all the managers in recent years, along with John Collins, he went to most if not all Reserve/Development games, and coached the lads from the sidelines

Quality that .....

[Magpie]

Of all the managers in recent years, along with John Collins, he went to most if not all Reserve/Development games, and coached the lads from the sidelines

Gave the likes of Porteous, Mackie, Gullan and Murray their debuts too.

[jacomo]

Lennon is certainly a man who creates division on this board . I have a lot of time for him as a manager, even though he has obvious flaws which emerge at times ...I’ll never understand the level of dislike for him from our support ..but it’s clear he is a marmite character on here ...


Ha! Definitely a marmite character.

I think a lot of folk hated him as a player, had to change their thinking when he was our manager, and now feel vindicated. Silly.

Equally silly, others seem to worship him and can’t bear to hear any criticism.

Personally, I’m a fan of niggly, mouthy little midfielders, and players who achieve things through sheer force of will despite not being the most talented. I liked him as our manager - he was the outstanding candidate at the time and he did what was needed.

However the manner in which he left was very disappointing - it didn’t negate the good work, but it did put a significant dampener on my appreciation for it.

[Billy Whizz]

Gave the likes of Porteous, Mackie, Gullan and Murray their debuts too.

Oli Shaw and Scott Martin too

[Max_Shah]

He won’t get another job. He is done. Was literally hanging on for dear life for a final payout but the abhorrent display against Yogi plus the literal “deff frets” from the best fans the world tipped the scales.

No football club in the UK/media agency will touch him after his David Icke-esque antics over the last few months. He is literally toxic. Not even Sellick TV will offer him a contract. That is how bad his star has fallen.

It is easy to take the piss but he has complex issues which need addressed immediately. I mean, it is glaringly obvious that he is not a well man and I for one sincerely wish him all the best.

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Amusingly, Malky is Rugby Dom/Desmond’s top pick for next season so anyone expecting an actual top-tier manager is about to be sorely disappointed.

Mark my words, they will appoint some Farmfoods level meme-ass manager – best of a bad bunch appears to be Lambert or Clarke. – Malky/Gavin/Peg Leg Kennedy will all be involved at some technical level.

This is arguably the best time to break the hegemony as they are very much heading back to the biscuit tin/pre McCann era.

Desmond has totally lost interest and is no longer willing to bankroll their losses going forward.

Interesting times for the lessers given how well the Bears/ourselves are doing.

[Andy74]

He won’t get another job. He is done. Was literally hanging on for dear life for a final payout but the abhorrent display against Yogi plus the literal “deff frets” from the best fans the world tipped the scales.

No football club in the UK/media agency will touch him after his David Icke-esque antics over the last few months. He is literally toxic. Not even Sellick TV will offer him a contract. That is how bad his star has fallen.

It is easy to take the piss but he has complex issues which need addressed immediately. I mean, it is glaringly obvious that he is not a well man and I for one sincerely wish him all the best.

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Amusingly, Malky is Rugby Dom/Desmond’s top pick for next season so anyone expecting an actual top-tier manager is about to be sorely disappointed.

Mark my words, they will appoint some Farmfoods level meme-ass manager – best of a bad bunch appears to be Lambert or Clarke. – Malky/Gavin/Peg Leg Kennedy will all be involved at some technical level.

This is arguably the best time to break the hegemony as they are very much heading back to the biscuit tin/pre McCann era.

Desmond has totally lost interest and is no longer willing to bankroll their losses going forward.

Interesting times for the lessers given how well the Bears/ourselves are doing.

Same thing was said when he left Hibs then he went on to Celtic and won another 5 trophies or whatever it was.

I think if he wants another job he will get a good club somewhere.

Don’t really think this has been a normal year and I’m not sure if Covid wasn’t around that the collapse would have occurred. The impact before the first Old Firm game set the tone.

I don’t think outside Hibs anyone really paid much attention to the manner of his leaving here. We don’t really know the details and it has certainly grown several arms and legs. So, he’s a successful manager who’s been at a big club who has had a bad year. That’s about it.

[bigwheel]

Oli Shaw and Scott Martin too

He also turned Martin Boyle into a "Star Man"

[The 90+2]

Peg leg Kennedy is harsh as fk tbh.

[Sammy7nil]

He won’t get another job. He is done. I mean, it is glaringly obvious that he is not a well man.
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HR expert and a Dr must be making a fortune in these difficult times :greengrin:greengrin:wink:

[Since90+2]

I genuinely think I could have managed Celtic to the titles that he won in his first spell there. They had zero competition and a squad that absolutely dwarfed everyone else. He doesn't get much credit for that.

As soon as Rangers put pressure on he failed.

Was an absolute failure at Bolton.

Overall was ok for Hibs. Not great in the cups. Finished 4th which was good but not great. Left whilst the team was in freefall and heading for a bottom 6th finish.

When you actually analyse his record it's average at best.

[Stanton Spence]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lewis-stevenson-reveals-best-manager-and-names-unbelievable-team-mate-ahead-hibs-milestone-3092394?r=5892

Stevenson actually says that he played his best football under Lennon and that he got the best out of him during his time as manager. The comment was made fairly recently. The headline is quite misleading, but there again it is the Evening News.

If ai had made the comments above, I’d be feeling a hit embarrassed ( not you Stanton Spence).

“My best football time was probably under Neil Lennon. He got the best out of me. He was a hard taskmaster at times and we had some big fall-outs but I think he appreciated what I was doing for him and vice-versa. He got the best out of me and the best out of the team”Fair enough bud [emoji1303] I'm genuinely intrigued if what he said still stands now he's working with Jack Ross [emoji848] but I'd hazard a guess it would be given the minutes Lewis has had this season

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[The 90+2]

Kennedy was regret to the heavens turning down our job.

[Since452]

I genuinely think I could have managed Celtic to the titles that he won in his first spell there. They had zero competition and a squad that absolutely dwarfed everyone else. He doesn't get much credit for that.

As soon as Rangers put pressure on he failed.

Was an absolute failure at Bolton.

Overall was ok for Hibs. Not great in the cups. Finished 4th which was good but not great. Left whilst the team was in freefall and heading for a bottom 6th finish.

When you actually analyse his record it's average at best.

Absolutely agree. 14 draws and 3 defeats in a piss poor Championship was shocking too. One point more than Stubbs managed and in a far poorer league. We actually won less games in the Championship under Lennon than we did under Stubbs which is incredible given the number of extra games we played getting to two finals under Stubbs. I don't think he's a good manager. Just one who's landed two unbelievable jobs at the right time.

[Lancs Harp]

I genuinely think I could have managed Celtic to the titles that he won in his first spell there. They had zero competition and a squad that absolutely dwarfed everyone else. He doesn't get much credit for that.

As soon as Rangers put pressure on he failed.

Was an absolute failure at Bolton.

Overall was ok for Hibs. Not great in the cups. Finished 4th which was good but not great. Left whilst the team was in freefall and heading for a bottom 6th finish.

When you actually analyse his record it's average at best.

Not to mention year on year failure in Europe.

[ArmadaleHibs]

Rangers fans banging on about a 55th title when we all know it will be their first. 55 being significant though. Neil Lennon quits on the 55th day of the year. Numbers eh. Funny old thing

Ggtth

[GreyJammies]

Rangers fans banging on about a 55th title when we all know it will be their first. 55 being significant though. Neil Lennon quits on the 55th day of the year. Numbers eh. Funny old thing

Ggtth

Also the scoreline in the game when Neil Lennon was at his absolute best for us, doing the airplane against those filthy no title having pigs.

Hates the Huns.

Great entertainment, great guy.

:cb

[ancient hibee]

I genuinely think I could have managed Celtic to the titles that he won in his first spell there. They had zero competition and a squad that absolutely dwarfed everyone else. He doesn't get much credit for that.

As soon as Rangers put pressure on he failed.

Was an absolute failure at Bolton.

Overall was ok for Hibs. Not great in the cups. Finished 4th which was good but not great. Left whilst the team was in freefall and heading for a bottom 6th finish.

When you actually analyse his record it's average at best.

Well I genuinely don't think you could have. Plenty of experience in getting rich footballers to play for you?

[easty]

I genuinely think I could have managed Celtic to the titles that he won in his first spell there. They had zero competition and a squad that absolutely dwarfed everyone else. He doesn't get much credit for that.

As soon as Rangers put pressure on he failed.

Was an absolute failure at Bolton.

Overall was ok for Hibs. Not great in the cups. Finished 4th which was good but not great. Left whilst the team was in freefall and heading for a bottom 6th finish.

When you actually analyse his record it's average at best.

Depends how you analyse it I suppose? Since we've had a 12 team, 38 game league -

18/19 - 5th - 54 points (3rd place got 67)

17/18 - 4th - 67 points (3rd place got 70)
16/17 - Won Championship (3rd place in Prem got 67)

15/16 - 3rd in Championship (3rd place in Prem got 65)
14/15 - 2nd in Championship (3rd place in Prem got 65)
13/14 - 11th - 35 points (3rd place got 68)
12/13 - 7th - 51 points (3rd place got 56, 2nd place got 63)
11/12 - 11th - 33 points (3rd place got 62)
10/11 - 10th - 37 points (3rd place got 63)
09/10 - 4th - 54 points (3rd place got 63)
08/09 - 6th - 47 points (3rd place got 59)
07/08 - 6th - 52 points (3rd place got 60)
06/07 - 6th - 49 points (3rd place got 65)
05/06 - 4th - 56 points (3rd place got 73)
04/05 - 3rd - 61 points
03/04 - 8th - 44 points (3rd place got 68)
02/03 - 7th - 51 points (3rd place got 63)
01/02 - 3rd - 66 points

In those 18 seasons, we've never got more points than in Lennons full season in the top flight.

We finished 4th, but in 14 of the above 18 seasons, the 67 points we won under Lennon would have been enough for 3rd, in fact in 1 season it would have been enough for 2nd.


So, when I analyse what he did here, which is all I really care about...it doesn't appear all that average. Not to me anyway.

[jacomo]

Well I genuinely don't think you could have. Plenty of experience in getting rich footballers to play for you?


It’s ok we all know it’s rubbish.

:greengrin

[660]

The worst thing about any discussion about Lennon is this immediate desire to explain him via his mental health problems.. He admitted to suffering from depression in the past so now every time he’s mentioned you get this odd presumption he’s “not well” or “has issues” or “clearly struggling”.

Is it glaringly obvious that he’s currently suffering from an episode of mental illness? I don’t think so.

Did he speak out about his mental health ages ago so that people would speculate and use it as some catch all explanation of his behaviour until the end of time? I don’t think so either.

Why not just judge him like any other football manager without making assumptions about his mental health? It’s crass and a gross oversimplification of how mental health affects people.

[WeeRussell]

The worst thing about any discussion about Lennon is this immediate desire to explain him via his mental health problems.. He admitted to suffering from depression in the past so now every time he’s mentioned you get this odd presumption he’s “not well” or “has issues” or “clearly struggling”.

Is it glaringly obvious that he’s currently suffering from an episode of mental illness? I don’t think so.

Did he speak out about his mental health ages ago so that people would speculate and use it as some catch all explanation of his behaviour until the end of time? I don’t think so either.

Why not just judge him like any other football manager without making assumptions about his mental health? It’s crass and a gross oversimplification of how mental health affects people.

Good post.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Resigning from the job rather than being sacked is a bettter way out.

[Peevemor]

Resigning from the job rather than being sacked is a bettter way out.Probably not financially.

[Crunchie]

Probably not financially.
He's not resigned without being offered a financial package, probably the same one if he'd been sacked. This will have been put to him as a face saving exercise for a club legend.

[Heckys Wheel]

Depends how you analyse it I suppose? Since we've had a 12 team, 38 game league -

18/19 - 5th - 54 points (3rd place got 67)

17/18 - 4th - 67 points (3rd place got 70)
16/17 - Won Championship (3rd place in Prem got 67)

15/16 - 3rd in Championship (3rd place in Prem got 65)
14/15 - 2nd in Championship (3rd place in Prem got 65)
13/14 - 11th - 35 points (3rd place got 68)
12/13 - 7th - 51 points (3rd place got 56, 2nd place got 63)
11/12 - 11th - 33 points (3rd place got 62)
10/11 - 10th - 37 points (3rd place got 63)
09/10 - 4th - 54 points (3rd place got 63)
08/09 - 6th - 47 points (3rd place got 59)
07/08 - 6th - 52 points (3rd place got 60)
06/07 - 6th - 49 points (3rd place got 65)
05/06 - 4th - 56 points (3rd place got 73)
04/05 - 3rd - 61 points
03/04 - 8th - 44 points (3rd place got 68)
02/03 - 7th - 51 points (3rd place got 63)
01/02 - 3rd - 66 points

In those 18 seasons, we've never got more points than in Lennons full season in the top flight.

We finished 4th, but in 14 of the above 18 seasons, the 67 points we won under Lennon would have been enough for 3rd, in fact in 1 season it would have been enough for 2nd.


So, when I analyse what he did here, which is all I really care about...it doesn't appear all that average. Not to me anyway.

That really is scandalous for a club of our size.

In fact, season 01/02 has us down in 3rd. Was that not Sauzee and Blobby’s first season?

[WhileTheChief..]

The worst thing about any discussion about Lennon is this immediate desire to explain him via his mental health problems.. He admitted to suffering from depression in the past so now every time he’s mentioned you get this odd presumption he’s “not well” or “has issues” or “clearly struggling”.

Is it glaringly obvious that he’s currently suffering from an episode of mental illness? I don’t think so.

Did he speak out about his mental health ages ago so that people would speculate and use it as some catch all explanation of his behaviour until the end of time? I don’t think so either.

Why not just judge him like any other football manager without making assumptions about his mental health? It’s crass and a gross oversimplification of how mental health affects people.
:top marksWell said.

Some of the chat about him on this board is disgusting.

[Crunchie]

:top marksWell said.

Some of the chat about him on this board is disgusting.
Disgusting? I've seen far worse thrown at our current manager than what's on this thread.

[hibsbollah]

The worst thing about any discussion about Lennon is this immediate desire to explain him via his mental health problems.. He admitted to suffering from depression in the past so now every time he’s mentioned you get this odd presumption he’s “not well” or “has issues” or “clearly struggling”.

Is it glaringly obvious that he’s currently suffering from an episode of mental illness? I don’t think so.

Did he speak out about his mental health ages ago so that people would speculate and use it as some catch all explanation of his behaviour until the end of time? I don’t think so either.

Why not just judge him like any other football manager without making assumptions about his mental health? It’s crass and a gross oversimplification of how mental health affects people.

I agree with this. I was listening to some stupid hack the other day making a joke about him losing his mind, when asked what he was going to lose next. It was either a bit of a coincidence or hes been spending too much time on the internet and thinks going that far below the belt is now OK.

[Dmas]

Fair enough bud [emoji1303] I'm genuinely intrigued if what he said still stands now he's working with Jack Ross [emoji848] but I'd hazard a guess it would be given the minutes Lewis has had this season

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He said all this in a podcast interview he also said there was times there would be no discussion over tactics and it was a very much make of it what you can after he announced a line up in the dressing room before a game.

His methods may have gotten the best out of guys like Lewis there was plenty others it didn’t which is why he went with us 8th in the league and heading south and a clown like hecky came in and made an immediate impact to get us top 6.

Lennys own ego is his downfall, the tantrums after tynie instead of just admitting he shouldn’t have changed a winning team, the quit threats cause we don’t match his recently unemployed ambitions and now instead of holding his hands up and walking when Celtic had a chance of catching rangers in the league he goes now so he’s not around when rangers win the title at Celtic park

[WhileTheChief..]

Depends how you analyse it I suppose? Since we've had a 12 team, 38 game league -

18/19 - 5th - 54 points (3rd place got 67)

17/18 - 4th - 67 points (3rd place got 70)
16/17 - Won Championship (3rd place in Prem got 67)

15/16 - 3rd in Championship (3rd place in Prem got 65)
14/15 - 2nd in Championship (3rd place in Prem got 65)
13/14 - 11th - 35 points (3rd place got 68)
12/13 - 7th - 51 points (3rd place got 56, 2nd place got 63)
11/12 - 11th - 33 points (3rd place got 62)
10/11 - 10th - 37 points (3rd place got 63)
09/10 - 4th - 54 points (3rd place got 63)
08/09 - 6th - 47 points (3rd place got 59)
07/08 - 6th - 52 points (3rd place got 60)
06/07 - 6th - 49 points (3rd place got 65)
05/06 - 4th - 56 points (3rd place got 73)
04/05 - 3rd - 61 points
03/04 - 8th - 44 points (3rd place got 68)
02/03 - 7th - 51 points (3rd place got 63)
01/02 - 3rd - 66 points

In those 18 seasons, we've never got more points than in Lennons full season in the top flight.

We finished 4th, but in 14 of the above 18 seasons, the 67 points we won under Lennon would have been enough for 3rd, in fact in 1 season it would have been enough for 2nd.


So, when I analyse what he did here, which is all I really care about...it doesn't appear all that average. Not to me anyway.

Someone will be along soon to explain that of all those 18 seasons, the old firm were at their weakest or some other BS to discredit that record points haul!

Going by these stats, which are kinda the most important ones for the league, he's the best manager we've had since the 12 team top flight started. If JR can better 67 then brilliant!!

[MWHIBBIES]

Someone will be along soon to explain that of all those 18 seasons, the old firm were at their weakest or some other BS to discredit that record points haul!

Going by these stats, which are kinda the most important ones for the league, he's the best manager we've had since the 12 team top flight started. If JR can better 67 then brilliant!!

He's the best manager over 1 league season without anything else to consider? Maybe. He definitely isn't the best manager for many reasons. There are so many other things to consider. Cup performance, signings, long term job done, what he inherited etc.

[The Modfather]

Someone will be along soon to explain that of all those 18 seasons, the old firm were at their weakest or some other BS to discredit that record points haul!

Going by these stats, which are kinda the most important ones for the league, he's the best manager we've had since the 12 team top flight started. If JR can better 67 then brilliant!!

Out of interest. Is it purely the points won that define the “best” manager? Is a record points total and 4th, a greater achievement than say Mowbray 04/05, who amassed 6 points less but finished a place higher? Or, what looks likely, Ross getting 3rd but probably less points than Lennon's 17/18 season.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I genuinely think I could have managed Celtic to the titles that he won in his first spell there. They had zero competition and a squad that absolutely dwarfed everyone else. He doesn't get much credit for that.

As soon as Rangers put pressure on he failed.

Was an absolute failure at Bolton.

Overall was ok for Hibs. Not great in the cups. Finished 4th which was good but not great. Left whilst the team was in freefall and heading for a bottom 6th finish.

When you actually analyse his record it's average at best.

all about opinions I suppose.

mine is that he was better than “ok” for the vast majority of his time with Hibs.

16/17... got the job done. Achieved the one target we all had that season. Yeah, there were some disappointing draws. But I never felt for one second that season that we were in danger of not going up as champions. Decent cup defence too. Schooled hearts at ER in one of the most enjoyable derby nights in recent history

17/18... mostly very good. Excellent performances against the old firm, bossed hearts twice at ER and denied a deserved win at Tynie by the linesman. Some good football played. Points dropped in the first half of the season ie accies at home cost us 2nd and 3rd place. Terrible performance at tynecastle after the split. Overall though, a very enjoyable season.

18/19... July to October... good. Decent wee European adventure, good start to the league, second in the table by Halloween.
November to January... fell apart. He left at the right time.

overall out of two and a half years with us I’m happy with about two years of it, and judging by the attendances at Easter road during his tenure, and the atmosphere at times, I’m definitely not the only one who enjoyed it.

[Since452]

:top marksWell said.

Some of the chat about him on this board is disgusting.

Is it as disgusting as Ross bringing Scott Allan off the bench in the semi final? :wink:

[Since452]

Depends how you analyse it I suppose? Since we've had a 12 team, 38 game league -

18/19 - 5th - 54 points (3rd place got 67)

17/18 - 4th - 67 points (3rd place got 70)
16/17 - Won Championship (3rd place in Prem got 67)

15/16 - 3rd in Championship (3rd place in Prem got 65)
14/15 - 2nd in Championship (3rd place in Prem got 65)
13/14 - 11th - 35 points (3rd place got 68)
12/13 - 7th - 51 points (3rd place got 56, 2nd place got 63)
11/12 - 11th - 33 points (3rd place got 62)
10/11 - 10th - 37 points (3rd place got 63)
09/10 - 4th - 54 points (3rd place got 63)
08/09 - 6th - 47 points (3rd place got 59)
07/08 - 6th - 52 points (3rd place got 60)
06/07 - 6th - 49 points (3rd place got 65)
05/06 - 4th - 56 points (3rd place got 73)
04/05 - 3rd - 61 points
03/04 - 8th - 44 points (3rd place got 68)
02/03 - 7th - 51 points (3rd place got 63)
01/02 - 3rd - 66 points

In those 18 seasons, we've never got more points than in Lennons full season in the top flight.

We finished 4th, but in 14 of the above 18 seasons, the 67 points we won under Lennon would have been enough for 3rd, in fact in 1 season it would have been enough for 2nd.


So, when I analyse what he did here, which is all I really care about...it doesn't appear all that average. Not to me anyway.

You could also say that his Championship winning season points total would have seen him finishing 3rd in the previous Championship season.

[EI255]

There are certainly others who should be sharing the blame for Celtic's demise.... I'm thinking about the person(s) who scouted the likes of Barkas and Kimala. Lennon didn't scout these people. They were scouted then the Celtic paymasters sanctioned the signings and then they flopped. Big time. I think a lot of things were out of Neil's hands and that's where his anger stems from. They 100% need a director of football now because Lawwell is the man running the show and that ain't right.

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[FilipinoHibs]

Most people with mental health issues don't behave like Lennon- slating and bullying players, feigning injury when hit by a coin and blaming everybody else but themselves - we tend to blame ourselves for everything and don't talk down others. Not much sympathy for him.

[ClermistonGreen]

Every sympathy in the world for him , anyone who hates the ****mers is good enough for me ! :thumbsup:
GGTTH :nlgwa:flag:

[WhileTheChief..]

Out of interest. Is it purely the points won that define the “best” manager? Is a record points total and 4th, a greater achievement than say Mowbray 04/05, who amassed 6 points less but finished a place higher? Or, what looks likely, Ross getting 3rd but probably less points than Lennon's 17/18 season.

Yeah I was a being a wee bit cheeky with the ‘best’ manager line!

I think what the stats do show is that he is nowhere near as bad as made out on here.

He was my favourite Hibs manager when he was here. Best in my lifetime? Probably not but it’s a hard one to call.

There hasn’t been a stand out manager in my 40+ years of supporting Hibs but he’s certainly up there and not down with the likes of Calderwood, Butcher, Duffy, Blackley or Auld!

[WhileTheChief..]

Most people with mental health issues don't behave like Lennon- slating and bullying players, feigning injury when hit by a coin and blaming everybody else but themselves - we tend to blame ourselves for everything and don't talk down others. Not much sympathy for him.

Another doctor in the house. Awesome.

[heretoday]

Another doctor in the house. Awesome.

It's very reassuring.

[easty]

Yeah I was a being a wee bit cheeky with the ‘best’ manager line!

I think what the stats do show is that he is nowhere near as bad as made out on here.

He was my favourite Hibs manager when he was here. Best in my lifetime? Probably not but it’s a hard one to call.

There hasn’t been a stand out manager in my 40+ years of supporting Hibs but he’s certainly up there and not down with the likes of Calderwood, Butcher, Duffy, Blackley or Auld!

That’s exactly it.

[FilipinoHibs]

Another doctor in the house. Awesome.

Speaking as someone who has suffered depression and also worked to help people with depression. Never witnessed any behavior like Lennon's. Just my own personal experience. I will bow to those with more expertise or experience.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think its important to be able to serperate mental health issues for being a tool. Lennon has had problems with his health, but he has also just acted like a tool many times.

[Keith_M]

Maybe now that Lennon is no longer at Hibs, nor one of our hated rival clubs, we could move on and discuss something more relevant?

I personally think the arguments about his time at Hibs has been done to death.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Maybe now that Lennon is no longer at Hibs, nor one of our hated rival clubs, we could move on and discuss something more relevant?

I personally think the arguments about his time at Hibs has been done to death.

:agree:

it’s long past time we all moved on.

[BroxburnHibee]

Maybe now that Lennon is no longer at Hibs, nor one of our hated rival clubs, we could move on and discuss something more relevant?

I personally think the arguments about his time at Hibs has been done to death.

That's your opinion and a perfectly valid one.

I don't get the argument that people should move on though. This site is designed for discussion and it seems a section of our users do want to discuss it.

If its not your bag then don't visit the thread :wink::greengrin

[SHODAN]

Most people with mental health issues don't behave like Lennon- slating and bullying players, feigning injury when hit by a coin and blaming everybody else but themselves - we tend to blame ourselves for everything and don't talk down others. Not much sympathy for him.

As someone who has chronic mental health problems, I know full well (and so should you) that it can manifest itself in many different ways. Some people can withdraw whilst other people can lash out and project externally.

I don't have a lot of time for Lennon but whilst it doesn't excuse his behaviour, this comment just reads as shaming him for not managing mental health issues the "right" way.

[hibsbollah]

I think its important to be able to serperate mental health issues for being a tool. Lennon has had problems with his health, but he has also just acted like a tool many times.

Agreed, but if so then say ‘Lennon is a tool’ not ‘’Lennon is a mentalist’ or ‘mad’ or ‘clearly has issues’.

[HFC93]

Most people with mental health issues don't behave like Lennon- slating and bullying players, feigning injury when hit by a coin and blaming everybody else but themselves - we tend to blame ourselves for everything and don't talk down others. Not much sympathy for him.

Unlees you have an intimate knowledge of Lennon's medical history it seems foolish to comment on it like you have done.

[superfurryhibby]

As someone who has chronic mental health problems, I know full well (and so should you) that it can manifest itself in many different ways. Some people can withdraw whilst other people can lash out and project externally.

I don't have a lot of time for Lennon but whilst it doesn't excuse his behaviour, this comment just reads as shaming him for not managing mental health issues the "right" way.

Well said.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agreed, but if so then say ‘Lennon is a tool’ not ‘’Lennon is a mentalist’ or ‘mad’ or ‘clearly has issues’.

I agree. I'm very much against mentioning Lennons mental health in a good or bad context. Its none of my business. I think its ridiculous every time it got brought up when we had a bad patch.

The guy is not a very good manager and not a very nice person. It has nothing to do with his mental health.

[hibsbollah]

I agree. I'm very much against mentioning Lennons mental health in a good or bad context. Its none of my business. I think its ridiculous every time it got brought up when we had a bad patch.

The guy is not a very good manager and not a very nice person. It has nothing to do with his mental health.

In general terms, when a player has played with success at the highest level, it’s uncommon to be an actual ‘bad’ manager . Lennon was a top player, so he had some limited success. You’re going to take some of that experience with you. But without some magic beans/secret sauce whatever you want to call it, you’re not going to be a top manager. I’d put Lennon in the same category as McCoist, or maybe Soljkaer or Thierry Henry at the more elite level of ex player, now manager. No secret sauce.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I agree. I'm very much against mentioning Lennons mental health in a good or bad context. Its none of my business. I think its ridiculous every time it got brought up when we had a bad patch.

The guy is not a very good manager and not a very nice person. It has nothing to do with his mental health.

that’s an opinion, not a fact. On both counts.

[MWHIBBIES]

that’s an opinion, not a fact. On both counts.

I agree. Thats the main reason I didn't state it was a fact.

[WeeRussell]

that’s an opinion, not a fact. On both counts.

You'll have some post count if you're going to clarify to us every time someone doesn't take the time to note that their post is their opinion. :greengrin

[WeeRussell]

I think its important to be able to serperate mental health issues for being a tool. Lennon has had problems with his health, but he has also just acted like a tool many times.

I agree entirely... but careful as you must be getting dangerously close to being accused of being a doctor.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I agree entirely... but careful as you must be getting dangerously close to being accused of being a doctor.

behave yourself. People have continuously brought up lennons mental health problems where it has no place. They’ve been pulled up on that. Correctly (in my opinion :greengrin)

[jacomo]

You'll have some post count if you're going to clarify to us every time someone doesn't take the time to note that their post is their opinion. :greengrin


Plenty of folk in the world who are mightily confused about the difference between the two though.

[jacomo]

I agree. I'm very much against mentioning Lennons mental health in a good or bad context. Its none of my business. I think its ridiculous every time it got brought up when we had a bad patch.

The guy is not a very good manager and not a very nice person. It has nothing to do with his mental health.


That’s not very nice.

Did he steal your burd or something?

[MWHIBBIES]

That’s not very nice.

Did he steal your burd or something?

Thats a new one.

No. I just dislike him. I think he comes across as a bully, thats all.

[jacomo]

Thats a new one.

No. I just dislike him. I think he comes across as a bully, thats all.


I feel conflicted about this sort of thing. It’s common to hear stories of bullying or aggressive behaviour coming out of elite sporting set ups and you think ‘oh, how horrible!’

But then football managers and the like are trying to drag the last 1% out of people to give them the edge against equally motivated competitors. You bet it can get quite heated at times.

Lennon seems well enough liked within the football world and plenty of people who have met him (I haven’t) have good words to say.

[J-C]

I feel conflicted about this sort of thing. It’s common to hear stories of bullying or aggressive behaviour coming out of elite sporting set ups and you think ‘oh, how horrible!’

But then football managers and the like are trying to drag the last 1% out of people to give them the edge against equally motivated competitors. You bet it can get quite heated at times.

Lennon seems well enough liked within the football world and plenty of people who have met him (I haven’t) have good words to say.


From the people who I know that have met him says he's a top bloke but obviously in his professional career he can be seen as quite divisive, you should never look at someone in the media and think they're the same in real life.

[Greenbeard]

From the people who I know that have met him says he's a top bloke but obviously in his professional career he can be seen as quite divisive, you should never look at someone in the media and think they're the same in real life.
Same goes for job interviews (but the other way round), Spud being an exception.

[jacomo]

From the people who I know that have met him says he's a top bloke but obviously in his professional career he can be seen as quite divisive, you should never look at someone in the media and think they're the same in real life.


:agree:

[Moulin Yarns]

Paul Lambert has left his role as Ipswich Town boss.

Paul Cook is in advanced talks to replace him as manager.

Full story ⤵

#bbcefl.

Lambert for Celtc?

[Stuart93]

Paul Lambert has left his role as Ipswich Town boss.

Paul Cook is in advanced talks to replace him as manager.

Full story ⤵

#bbcefl.

Lambert for Celtc?

Hope so. He’s an awful manager

[bingo70]

Paul Lambert has left his role as Ipswich Town boss.

Paul Cook is in advanced talks to replace him as manager.

Full story ⤵

#bbcefl.

Lambert for Celtc?

Would be a crazy appointment for them but with Lambert nothing would surprise me.

Seems to me to be a dreadful manager that keeps on getting decent jobs. One of these guys that appears to have a reputation that far outweighs his actual achievements.

[JimBHibees]

From the people who I know that have met him says he's a top bloke but obviously in his professional career he can be seen as quite divisive, you should never look at someone in the media and think they're the same in real life.

Heard a story about him when at Celtic as a player. Guy I know had a neighbour whose son was signed at Motherwell as youth signing. Some of the youth players were ballboys at the games and he said Lennon was probably the only player that engaged with the young players asking them how they were getting on etc. Certainly changed that young guys opinion of Lennon given he was a huge Rangers fan. Just shows the public perception isn't always accurate

[Allez Hibs]

Heard a story about him when at Celtic as a player. Guy I know had a neighbour whose son was signed at Motherwell as youth signing. Some of the youth players were ballboys at the games and he said Lennon was probably the only player that engaged with the young players asking them how they were getting on etc. Certainly changed that young guys opinion of Lennon given he was a huge Rangers fan. Just shows the public perception isn't always accurate

Heard that too that away from the pitch and media Lennon is a very likeable down to earth normal guy.

[hibbydad]

Heard that too that away from the pitch and media Lennon is a very likeable down to earth normal guy.
He definitely is

[Highwayman]

Celtic trying to appoint Paul Lambert as manager would probably have the same effect on the Celtic fans as trying to appoint the other manager that parted company today,Mark Kerr at Ayr United.

[Coco Bryce]

Heard that too that away from the pitch and media Lennon is a very likeable down to earth normal guy.

Met him a couple of times. He's just a decent normal guy.

[hibeejeebies]

He definitely is

Hi Neil.

[jacomo]

Celtic trying to appoint Paul Lambert as manager would probably have the same effect on the Celtic fans as trying to appoint the other manager that parted company today,Mark Kerr at Ayr United.


He ticks a lot of boxes for them...

I can see why the rumour mill is spinning, seeing as Lambert just walked away from Ipswich. Another combative former midfielder.

[Jim44]

Heard a story about him when at Celtic as a player. Guy I know had a neighbour whose son was signed at Motherwell as youth signing. Some of the youth players were ballboys at the games and he said Lennon was probably the only player that engaged with the young players asking them how they were getting on etc. Certainly changed that young guys opinion of Lennon given he was a huge Rangers fan. Just shows the public perception isn't always accurate


Heard that too that away from the pitch and media Lennon is a very likeable down to earth normal guy.


He definitely is


Met him a couple of times. He's just a decent normal guy.

Probably enough to suggest he is ‘a normal likeable guy’ away from football and good on him. But let’s not forget that this is a football forum and players, coaches and administrators are judged within the context of football. Lennon falls short of the mark in that respect.

[Cat Stanton]

He ticks a lot of boxes for them...

I can see why the rumour mill is spinning, seeing as Lambert just walked away from Ipswich. Another combative former midfielder.

From a look at their fans' forum (that's what a year of working at home does to you) the Ipswich fans seem absolutely delighted to be rid of him. Can't have been a popular figure.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Heard that too that away from the pitch and media Lennon is a very likeable down to earth normal guy.

I had a supervisor who was a total prick. Rumour had it he was a great guy in the pub though. That just makes his behaviour at work all the worse.

[FilipinoHibs]

Heard that too that away from the pitch and media Lennon is a very likeable down to earth normal guy.

And the dressing room.

[hibbydad]

Hi Neil.
I can assure you he was very personable and no I am not Neil and in the end I felt it was inevitable that he leave the club. Unfortunately we replaced him with a guy who was a nice guy but a useless manager

[jacomo]

From a look at their fans' forum (that's what a year of working at home does to you) the Ipswich fans seem absolutely delighted to be rid of him. Can't have been a popular figure.


He used to manage Norwich so no wonder.

Some folk just seem to want to attract grief.

[Since452]

Heard that too that away from the pitch and media Lennon is a very likeable down to earth normal guy.


Apart from threatening to stab his mistress if she revealed their affair to his wife. Really nice guy.

[Magpie]

Give the guy a day off man 😂

[The 90+2]

Give the guy a day off man 😂

He doesn’t give a ***** about Hibs. I don’t think for one second he will care what Hibs fans think of him.

[ancient hibee]

He doesn’t give a ***** about Hibs. I don’t think for one second he will care what Hibs fans think of him.

And quite right too.

[Magpie]

He doesn’t give a ***** about Hibs. I don’t think for one second he will care what Hibs fans think of him.

You don’t know that for a fact.

[Magpie]

I’ve just read on the Doidge thread people saying there’s no need to be abusing towards someone on here yet this thread is full of it.

[The 90+2]

And quite right too.

Why is it quite right he doesn’t give a ***** about Hibs yet people actually defend the ****?

[The 90+2]

You don’t know that for a fact.

It’s pretty clear he shat on us.

[Magpie]

It’s pretty clear he shat on us.

He was fully committed to us during his time here until perhaps the end. No need for the abuse.

[ancient hibee]

Why is it quite right he doesn’t give a ***** about Hibs yet people actually defend the ****?

Why should he give a stuff about anonymous posters like you ?

[J-C]

He was fully committed to us during his time here until perhaps the end. No need for the abuse.

That's called being professional, he had a job to do and he did it (not always professionally). He was always going as soon as either Celtic or someone as big came for him.

[Magpie]

That's called being professional, he had a job to do and he did it (not always professionally). He was always going as soon as either Celtic or someone as big came for him.

Any manager would do the same.

[jacomo]

He was fully committed to us during his time here until perhaps the end. No need for the abuse.


Yeah maybe although his falling out with Leeann coincided neatly with the Celtc job becoming available again.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’ve just read on the Doidge thread people saying there’s no need to be abusing towards someone on here yet this thread is full of it.

Anything goes where Lennon is concerned apparently.

[Max_Shah]

> Two Mistress[ess]
> History of Domestic Abuse, Manipulation and Slyness
> Addiction Issues
> ????????????????????
> Was sound to me in a boozer when “Ah wiz pished an ah wanted a Selfie”
> Great Guy - Best Hibs manager ever.

As I said earlier Lennon is not a well man but he resolutely refuses to seek any kind of treatment so **** him.

Why simp for this guy? I mean seriously. Why the cringe level of pathetic simping? Am I missing something about this specific dude [over say fat Bobby or Lex] other than the fact he used to manage Celtic? Is it some subconscious "other" thing? I mean I get he won us the seaside league but big ****ing deal I don't count that as an achievement [certainly not Stubbs level] I just do not get it. Maybe I don't get Hibs or our collective history?

But mark my words, if he continues down this path, he'll forever be "that guy" in Glasgow boozers annoying the sons and daughters of our sons and daughters in the 2030's with his "...back in my day..." and "...ah wiz a fitbaw player son..." birthday card pish. That is his future.

If he sorts himself out he MIGHT reach the dizzying heights of BBC/Sly media

No if's, no buts, no what-abouts and certainly no coconuts.

And you know what the sad thing is, no one in a decade will give a **** about NL [and his tenure as Hibs manager will be a mere footnote in that collective apathy - which makes all this simping and even this long effort post irrelevant] as the game of football/science of coaching will have moved on.

Our history will no doubt have far more interesting characters and better achievements to talk about other than that brief time when we won a ***** seaside league we should never have been in in the first place while managed by a drunken degenerate.

No virtue signal but having suffered physical/psychological DA, I have absolutely no respect for a manipulative domineering figure like NL, especially one who refuses any kind of treatment or even admits he was in the wrong.

There is the answer to the NL simps about why I dislike the man.

[Magpie]

> Two Mistress[ess]
> History of Domestic Abuse, Manipulation and Slyness
> Addiction Issues
> ????????????????????
> Was sound to me in a boozer when “Ah wiz pished an ah wanted a Selfie”
> Great Guy - Best Hibs manager ever.

As I said earlier Lennon is not a well man but he resolutely refuses to seek any kind of treatment so **** him.

Why simp for this guy? I mean seriously. Why the cringe level of pathetic simping? Am I missing something about this specific dude [over say fat Bobby or Lex] other than the fact he used to manage Celtic? Is it some subconscious "other" thing? I mean I get he won us the seaside league but big ****ing deal I don't count that as an achievement [certainly not Stubbs level] I just do not get it. Maybe I don't get Hibs or our collective history?

But mark my words, if he continues down this path, he'll forever be "that guy" in Glasgow boozers annoying the sons and daughters of our sons and daughters in the 2030's with his "...back in my day..." and "...ah wiz a fitbaw player son..." birthday card pish. That is his future.

If he sorts himself out he MIGHT reach the dizzying heights of BBC/Sly media

No if's, no buts, no what-abouts and certainly no coconuts.

And you know what the sad thing is, no one in a decade will give a **** about NL [and his tenure as Hibs manager will be a mere footnote in that collective apathy - which makes all this simping and even this long effort post irrelevant] as the game of football/science of coaching will have moved on.

Our history will no doubt have far more interesting characters and better achievements to talk about other than that brief time when we won a ***** seaside league we should never have been in in the first place while managed by a drunken degenerate.

No virtue signal but having suffered physical/psychological DA, I have absolutely no respect for a manipulative domineering figure like NL, especially one who refuses any kind of treatment or even admits he was in the wrong.

There is the answer to the NL simps about why I dislike the man.

I get the feeling he’s living rent free in your head.

[J-C]

> Two Mistress[ess]
> History of Domestic Abuse, Manipulation and Slyness
> Addiction Issues
> ????????????????????
> Was sound to me in a boozer when “Ah wiz pished an ah wanted a Selfie”
> Great Guy - Best Hibs manager ever.

As I said earlier Lennon is not a well man but he resolutely refuses to seek any kind of treatment so **** him.

Why simp for this guy? I mean seriously. Why the cringe level of pathetic simping? Am I missing something about this specific dude [over say fat Bobby or Lex] other than the fact he used to manage Celtic? Is it some subconscious "other" thing? I mean I get he won us the seaside league but big ****ing deal I don't count that as an achievement [certainly not Stubbs level] I just do not get it. Maybe I don't get Hibs or our collective history?

But mark my words, if he continues down this path, he'll forever be "that guy" in Glasgow boozers annoying the sons and daughters of our sons and daughters in the 2030's with his "...back in my day..." and "...ah wiz a fitbaw player son..." birthday card pish. That is his future.

If he sorts himself out he MIGHT reach the dizzying heights of BBC/Sly media

No if's, no buts, no what-abouts and certainly no coconuts.

And you know what the sad thing is, no one in a decade will give a **** about NL [and his tenure as Hibs manager will be a mere footnote in that collective apathy - which makes all this simping and even this long effort post irrelevant] as the game of football/science of coaching will have moved on.

Our history will no doubt have far more interesting characters and better achievements to talk about other than that brief time when we won a ***** seaside league we should never have been in in the first place while managed by a drunken degenerate.

No virtue signal but having suffered physical/psychological DA, I have absolutely no respect for a manipulative domineering figure like NL, especially one who refuses any kind of treatment or even admits he was in the wrong.

There is the answer to the NL simps about why I dislike the man.

Did you have a problem with your keyboard while typing all this, had to give the glasses a wee wipe so I could read the last few lines.
You could've saved yourself 10 mins work by coming out and saying you're not a fan of NL and you don't like him.

Personally I wasn't a fan of Lennon and all the nonsense he brought with him, bored to death in the Championship and got very lucky in January with a formation and set of players that clicked. He then made a hash of rebuilding and eventually left by mutual after falling out with senior players and hierarchy,

Time to move on and forget about him.

[jacomo]

I get the feeling he’s living rent free in your head.


Definitely a few issues to unpick there...