Neil Lennon

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

The rumoured pay off is eye watering of what is going round Celtic fans is true. Seven figures according to a couple of Celtic fans I know (but they may be wrong).

1.2M they reckon.

The Celtic fans absolutely despise him now.

The so-called "hate" people on here have been saying about him is so tame in comparisson to what they're saying about him on Kerrydale Street.

[Coco Bryce]

His 58 games in charge of Hibs in the premier league he had 21 draws and 12 losses and left us in a hell of a mess.

25 wins then.

Jack Ross - 53 Games. Won 27 Draws 12 Lost 14

Pretty much the same.

[worcesterhibby]

I know nothing about Pat Bonner as a person but he always comes across as a mild and decent guy when I hear him on the radio, or rather, he comes across as a mild and decent Celtic fan..really he's the kind of pundit that would be great for a clubs own coverage, but he's just too biased for a national broadcaster. During the last Hibs Celtic game, Mickey Stewart disagreed with him over virtually every foul that Celtic were awarded, it was quite funny in the end with Paki saying "that's a foul!" and Mickey immediately shouting back "No it's not, no your wrong"

[04Sauzee]

25 wins then.

Jack Ross - 53 Games. Won 27 Draws 12 Lost 14

Pretty much the same.

53 games for Jack Ross cant all be premier league games they must include cup games?

[Coco Bryce]

53 games for Jack Ross cant all be premier league games they must include cup games?

Yeah it must be all games.

I got the info online :rolleyes:

[worcesterhibby]

25 wins then.

Jack Ross - 53 Games. Won 27 Draws 12 Lost 14

Pretty much the same.

Not really the same at all. The poster was suggesting that Lennon drew too many games..

Neil Lennon Hibs drew 36% of their games
Jack Ross Hibs have drawn 22% of their games

Stats wise that's a big difference.

Neil Lennon took over a Cup Winning side who were playing Championship Teams. He left us heading for relegation.

Jack Ross took over a side in freefall who were playing Premier League teams, we are currently 3rd

[Allez Hibs]

53 games for Jack Ross cant all be premier league games they must include cup games?

Think these numbers need fact checked? 🤔

[Since452]

Not really the same at all. The poster was suggesting that Lennon drew too many games..

Neil Lennon Hibs drew 36% of their games
Jack Ross Hibs have drawn 22% of their games

Stats wise that's a big difference.

Neil Lennon took over a Cup Winning side who were playing Championship Teams. He left us heading for relegation.

Jack Ross took over a side in freefall who were playing Premier League teams, we are currently 3rd

Yup massive difference playing Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen to playing Alloa, Ayr and Craggy Island under 13's. Lennon inherited players like John McGinn in arguably the best midfield in Scotland at the time. Ross inherited a shambles in the top league.

[04Sauzee]

From what i can see on line

Lennon 55 games won 23 drawn 19 lost 13 pts 88 points per game 1.6

JR 42 games won 18 drawn 11 lost 13 points 66 points per game 1.55

Jack Ross is averaging 1.66 points per game this season.

[Allez Hibs]

From what i can see on line

Lennon 55 games won 23 drawn 19 lost 13 pts 88 points per game 1.6

JR 42 games won 18 drawn 11 lost 13 points 66 points per game 1.55

What is Premiership matches only comparison?

[Rumble de Thump]

Lennon was on a one year rolling contract but I read not too long ago he signed a 3 year deal that takes him up to 2023.

[Bobo]

Think these numbers need fact checked? 🤔

42 League games with 11 draws.

[04Sauzee]

What is Premiership matches only comparison?

Yes sorry, all championship and Cup games stripped out so only top flight league games for both.

[Keith_M]

25 wins then.

Jack Ross - 53 Games. Won 27 Draws 12 Lost 14

Pretty much the same.



Does that mean that Jack Ross is also a born winner then?

:wink:

[The Modfather]

Does that mean that Jack Ross is also a born winner then?

:wink:

Not until Ross tries to fight Jim Duffy and goes mental at a 4th official.

[Allez Hibs]

Yes sorry, all championship and Cup games stripped out so only top flight league games for both.

Thanks.

[Allez Hibs]

Not until Ross tries to fight Jim Duffy and goes mental at a 4th official.

Or tries to make an Edinburgh Derby like an Old Firm game. 🚀

[Since452]

Or tries to make an Edinburgh Derby like an Old Firm game. 🚀

Or screams in a linesman's face at Rugby Park. Real winner.

[EI255]

I love it when somebody injects a bit of humour into the conversation.


:top marksYou probably weren't saying that when we were winning in Greece.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

Unless of course they write the season off and not renew the deal?

I think that a rolling 12 month contract means he’ll effectively get 12 months notice (or paid the equivalent).

[Since452]

You probably weren't saying that when we were winning in Greece.

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He might have when we shipped 4 goals to the Faroese fishermen though

[Northernhibee]

You probably weren't saying that when we were winning in Greece.

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Were you when he returned from a touchline ban, played Slivka at RB, Whittaker in CM and we got pumped 3-0?

[Keith_M]

Lennon's time at Easter Road was entertaining, though,

In the season we were promoted, the football was often exciting, with high scoring games. I think we also had our highest ever points tally. Then the following season the football went downhill a bit so Lennon stepped up to the plate and provided the entertainment himself.

My feeling was always that Lennon was first and foremost a Celtc man, and I honestly thought he didn't know what to do when he didn't have their kind of spending power at his disposal. His comments in his final season about the players being 'rejects' were classless and came across as an excuse for not finishing second behind his beloved Celtc.

I think the grim, steady progress of their rivals at Mordor has finally finished him off and he's not willing to admit they have been outclassed.

[superfurryhibby]

Lennon's a divisive figure. I suspect if anyone of us were to sit down and have a beer within him, he's be interesting and engaging company. I've admired his fortitude in the face of the nonsense he's faced since he started working in this country. He's talked openly about sectarianism, mental health and his own struggles in a way that helps reduce the stigma and acknowledge these issues.

All that said and with the benefit of hindsight, his time at Hibs was a very mixed bag. He inherited some tremendous players, rode the crest of a wave when he brought in McLaren (he was gash....not), Kamberi and the likes of Ambrose. However, when the going got tough at HIbs he was found wanting and by the end he was floundering around cluelessly.

He's made a total arse of this season at Celtic and is again showing the signs of strain. For his own sake, I hope Celtic relieve him of his duties, sooner rather than later (I think he'll be a goner very soon).

He probably will find employment in another job in football, somewhere in England. That will probably fail too, he's just not that good a manager when he's not the big fish in a wee pond.

[B.H.F.C]

Were you when he returned from a touchline ban, played Slivka at RB, Whittaker in CM and we got pumped 3-0?

Who was that against?

[Magpie]

Lennon's time at Easter Road was entertaining, though,

In the season we were promoted, the football was often exciting, with high scoring games. I think we also had our highest ever points tally. Then the following season the football went downhill a bit so Lennon stepped up to the plate and provided the entertainment himself.

My feeling was always that Lennon was first and foremost a Celtc man, and I honestly thought he didn't know what to do when he didn't have their kind of spending power at his disposal. His comments in his final season about the players being 'rejects' were classless and came across as an excuse for not finishing second behind his beloved Celtc.

I think the grim, steady progress of their rivals at Mordor has finally finished him off and he's not willing to admit they have been outclassed.

His time as manager was one of my favourites as a Hibs fan. We really kicked on from the Scottish Cup win and cemented our place back in the top flight as one of the top teams. Unfortunately losing McGinn, McGeough and Allan had an effect.

He’s a controversial character and I thank him for the good times we had during his time here. He has won plenty of trophies in the game as player and manager so I doubt he will be too bothered about being branded as a failure.

[easty]

Not really the same at all. The poster was suggesting that Lennon drew too many games..

Neil Lennon Hibs drew 36% of their games
Jack Ross Hibs have drawn 22% of their games

Stats wise that's a big difference.

Neil Lennon took over a Cup Winning side who were playing Championship Teams. He left us heading for relegation.

Jack Ross took over a side in freefall who were playing Premier League teams, we are currently 3rd

No he didnt :rolleyes:

[Since452]

No he didnt :rolleyes:

Really? I thought we were only heading one way. 2 or 3 wins in 15 or something like that before he left. Throwing players under the bus. Bizarre team selections. We were atrocious. No leadership whatsoever by management team. Took Heckingbottom to come in and sort it out. Says a lot.

[we are hibs]

His time as manager was one of my favourites as a Hibs fan. We really kicked on from the Scottish Cup win and cemented our place back in the top flight as one of the top teams. Unfortunately losing McGinn, McGeough and Allan had an effect.

He’s a controversial character and I thank him for the good times we had during his time here. He has won plenty of trophies in the game as player and manager so I doubt he will be too bothered about being branded as a failure.


Replacing that midfield was always going to be difficult but signing the likes of Mallan, Hyndman and Milligan was a serious downgrade.

[Since452]

Replacing that midfield was always going to be difficult but signing the likes of Mallan, Hyndman and Milligan was a serious downgrade.

I agree but i actually quite liked Milligan. Thought we struggled when he left.

[Jones28]

I think that a rolling 12 month contract means he’ll effectively get 13 months notice (or paid the equivalent).

Oh well, nae joy for Celtic - thought someone has said he signed a 3 year deal not that long ago :aok:

[easty]

Really? I thought we were only heading one way. 2 or 3 wins in 15 or something like that before he left. Throwing players under the bus. Bizarre team selections. We were atrocious. No leadership whatsoever by management team. Took Heckingbottom to come in and sort it out. Says a lot.

To avoid even finishing second bottom, he would have needed 3 points from 16 games. We weren’t even close to going down.

We were right to get rid, but to say he was leading us to relegation is just completely untrue.

[ballengeich]

Is Lennon's problem as a manager that he doesn't know how to organise a defence? Celtic look vulnerable in the SPFL and had the equal worst goals against total of the 80 clubs in this season's Champions and Europa league groups.

When he arrived at ER he had Gray, McGregor, Hanlon and Stevenson as a back four. Not only are they all good, but they'd played together for some time so didn't need anything from the manager except to be allowed to continue as they were. That meant that he could concentrate on the attacking side of the team which he's better at doing.

[Northernhibee]

Who was that against?

Molde.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45175150

[Stuart93]

Really? I thought we were only heading one way. 2 or 3 wins in 15 or something like that before he left. Throwing players under the bus. Bizarre team selections. We were atrocious. No leadership whatsoever by management team. Took Heckingbottom to come in and sort it out. Says a lot.

I remember the 3-0 away to killie, think we started with 5 CB’s in the starting line up that day. All of us praying the floodlights would stay out

[B.H.F.C]

Molde.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45175150

I was there and although we got beaten 3-0, the rest of what you said was inaccurate. We simply got beaten by a better team that night, or more specifically, by one of the best young strikers in world football.

For all the things Lennon should be criticised for, he had some good European performances.

[Hibernian Verse]

Molde.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45175150

I don't think we can blame Lennon for losing away in Molde...

Braut Håland (35'minutes, 82'minutes)

[Northernhibee]

I was there and although we got beaten 3-0, the rest of what you said was inaccurate. We simply got beaten by a better team that night, or more specifically, by one of the best young strikers in world football.

For all the things Lennon should be criticised for, he had some good European performances.

We drew at home days before. The tactics were still baffling though, Vykintas Slivka was many things, but a right back he is not. We were at the wrong end of Lennon's bizarre 'square peg in round hole' team selections, like the time we had about six or seven defenders against Kilmarnock. Something he showed that he never learned a lesson from.

[Alex Trager]

Hopefully he stays and we get second place

[B.H.F.C]

We drew at home days before. The tactics were still baffling though, Vykintas Slivka was many things, but a right back he is not. We were at the wrong end of Lennon's bizarre 'square peg in round hole' team selections, like the time we had about six or seven defenders against Kilmarnock. Something he showed that he never learned a lesson from.

Slivka never played in that position in Molde. That was the Asteras tie (which we won).

There was nothing wrong with the tactics in Molde, we ran in to a very good young striker who didn’t play in the first leg and made a huge difference in the second.

[Since452]

One thing is for sure. Neil Lennon is the most divisive Hibs manager in my lifetime. Probably our history. Marmite.

[Northernhibee]

Slivka never played in that position in Molde. That was the Asteras tie (which we won).

There was nothing wrong with the tactics in Molde, we ran in to a very good young striker who didn’t play in the first leg and made a huge difference.

I stand corrected on the Slivka thing then. We did, however, play Slivka at right back in at least one more game after that, which one escapes me. I remember it being a massive red flag that we had a manager who wasn't a fraction as clever as he thought he was when the mistake was repeated.

The fact that he's played MacGregor at right back for Celtic on another occasion makes me think he's not capable of learning from mistakes.

[Heisenberg]

I stand corrected on the Slivka thing then. We did, however, play Slivka at right back in at least one more game after that, which one escapes me. I remember it being a massive red flag that we had a manager who wasn't a fraction as clever as he thought he was when the mistake was repeated.

The fact that he's played MacGregor at right back for Celtic on another occasion makes me think he's not capable of learning from mistakes.

Sure he did it vs Celtc and had to change midway through the first half because we were getting pummelled.

[Northernhibee]

Sure he did it vs Celtc and had to change midway through the first half because we were getting pummelled.

He's at his best when he either has a strong squad that picks itself and doesn't need changing (and even then, like we learned in the final derby of the season where we finished fourth, he can't help himself sometimes) or when when the squad is decimated and all that will work is put whoever you can on the pitch and get them fired up (when we started with Lewis at CB at Ibrox and somehow escaped with three points). Any situation that requires tactical nous in between the two is where things go wrong, and as both with us and at Celtic this time round he's struggled to build a balanced squad that's what he has to do more often than not.

[Carheenlea]

I remember the 3-0 away to killie, think we started with 5 CB’s in the starting line up that day. All of us praying the floodlights would stay out

The team selections were becoming more erratic as the weeks rolled on, and we had no idea of what line up we would see and that one in particular was a stand out and proper head scratcher.

[Callum_62]

Sure he did it vs Celtc and had to change midway through the first half because we were getting pummelled.

Didnt he put us 1 nil up against celtic from that position?

[B.H.F.C]

He's at his best when he either has a strong squad that picks itself and doesn't need changing (and even then, like we learned in the final derby of the season where we finished fourth, he can't help himself sometimes) or when when the squad is decimated and all that will work is put whoever you can on the pitch and get them fired up (when we started with Lewis at CB at Ibrox and somehow escaped with three points). Any situation that requires tactical nous in between the two is where things go wrong, and as both with us and at Celtic this time round he's struggled to build a balanced squad that's what he has to do more often than not.

I never agree with the thought that he simply inherited a good side. Personally, I thought he improved players in that side (Boyle being the obvious one) and got some players playing the best football they have in all their time with us (Hanlon and Stevenson). If you look at the team that finished fourth and played some amazing football, he added the strikers, Allan, Ambrose and Marciano so it wasn’t just inherited.

I love what he’s doing at Celtic and hope it continues. I also think we were right to get rid when we did, there just never seems to be much balance when his time with us is discussed. It’s one extreme to the other.

[J-C]

25 wins then.

Jack Ross - 53 Games. Won 27 Draws 12 Lost 14

Pretty much the same.


I was just about to post this, Ross's record is ok but remember Lennon's 1st season was in the championship and even there far too many draws and losses.

Lennon took a good team and made them worse, I expect a few draws and losses here and there but I'd expect most of these to be against the teams in the top 4-5. Ross has us in 3rd yes and I'm happy with that but we have dropped so many needless points this season, 7 draws and 6 losses with just 11 wins.

I don't think Lennon is a good coach or manager and so far he's shown that, Ross has still to prove he's a decent manager, record against the better teams isn't great and far too many poor performances against teams like Ross C, Livingston etc. We should be well clear in 3rd and pushing a poor Celtic but it looks like we'll be fighting it out for 3-5th.

[worcesterhibby]

No he didnt :rolleyes:

Our direction of travel was downwards and pretty fast. He wouldn't do press, he was throwing players under the bus when he did decide to talk to the media and he was falling out with senior management. Most of the time we ended up with Scott "Chewbacca" Parker making excuses for him. If he had remained at the club I am certain we would have been in the relegation mix. Would we have been relegated? who knows..would we have finished in the bottom half of the table..absolutely.

[Keith_M]

His time as manager was one of my favourites as a Hibs fan. We really kicked on from the Scottish Cup win and cemented our place back in the top flight as one of the top teams. Unfortunately losing McGinn, McGeough and Allan had an effect.

He’s a controversial character and I thank him for the good times we had during his time here. He has won plenty of trophies in the game as player and manager so I doubt he will be too bothered about being branded as a failure.


I wouldn't class him as a failure either.

As you say, he's won plenty of trophies.

I think his idea of his ideal role is at Celtc, and that was working out OK until a combination of The Rangers getting their act together and Celtc going through their current slump.

The standards expected at Celtc mean he's no longer the right guy for the job.

[Magpie]

I was just about to post this, Ross's record is ok but remember Lennon's 1st season was in the championship and even there far too many draws and losses.

Lennon took a good team and made them worse, I expect a few draws and losses here and there but I'd expect most of these to be against the teams in the top 4-5. Ross has us in 3rd yes and I'm happy with that but we have dropped so many needless points this season, 7 draws and 6 losses with just 11 wins.

I don't think Lennon is a good coach or manager and so far he's shown that, Ross has still to prove he's a decent manager, record against the better teams isn't great and far too many poor performances against teams like Ross C, Livingston etc. We should be well clear in 3rd and pushing a poor Celtic but it looks like we'll be fighting it out for 3-5th.

How did Lennon take a good team and make them worse? 😭

Also how has he shown that he is not a good coach or manager? He’s won 6 league titles, 4 Scottish cups and a league cup.

[Magpie]

I wouldn't class him as a failure either.

As you say, he's won plenty of trophies.

I think his idea of his ideal role is at Celtc, and that was working out OK until a combination of The Rangers getting their act together and Celtc going through their current slump.

The standards expected at Celtc mean he's no longer the right guy for the job.

His time is definitely up there, they need changes right through the club I think.

[Callum_62]

I was just about to post this, Ross's record is ok

I'd bet Ross record is probably one of the best we've had from a manager

Certainly better than OK

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[silverhibee]

Poor Neil blaming no fans and poor Pat Bonner on Sportsound blaming no fans at games. They really are so arrogant.

If fans were allowed in stadiums and the Celt board were still being as stubborn regards Lennon, he would get attacked, fans would invade pitch to protest against the board.

Got to still feel for Lennon, a absolute legend for Celtc, gave the club his all as a player and manager and is now becoming a hate figure by a numbe of there fans.

[pacoluna]

I'd bet Ross record is probably one of the best we've had from a manager

Certainly better than OK

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It's pretty dire to watch though.

[silverhibee]

Not sure many Celtic fans think he's a great manager. The ones I know don't rate him. One of them has never rated him at all.

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He has been good for Celtc as a player and manager, type of guy you would want on your side that's for sure, and I'm sure his trophy cabinet shows how good he was for celtc.

[Jones28]

It's pretty dire to watch though.

Comparing NL and now is like night and day in terms of playing style. I loved watching us under Lennon, we were scintillating in our first season back and some of the matches were immense viewing.

However we did have midfield that was the envy of everyone except Celtic, and we were very fortunate that everything came together in that regard.

Ross's style is a lot more pragmatic, which is fine if not jump-out-your-seat entertainment for most of the time - but it isn't always dull. We played some good/great stuff against Dundee United, Rangers & Celtic.

[superfurryhibby]

Comparing NL and now is like night and day in terms of playing style. I loved watching us under Lennon, we were scintillating in our first season back and some of the matches were immense viewing.

However we did have midfield that was the envy of everyone except Celtic, and we were very fortunate that everything came together in that regard.

Ross's style is a lot more pragmatic, which is fine if not jump-out-your-seat entertainment for most of the time - but it isn't always dull. We played some good/great stuff against Dundee United, Rangers & Celtic.

I think you're wearing some rose tinted specs here. The Championship season was pretty dire stuff at times. My groups season tickets were not heavily used. Our first season back was better, stuttering at times, with some very good performances, followed by some equally poor ones. It only kicked off as scintillating for me once Allan, McLaren and Kamberi came in during the January window. I'll grant him that definitely. The next season quickly turned sour and by the time of his departure he'd completely lost the plot.

I'll take the here and now over four good months under Lennon. I believe the team is going places that he never managed to take us, starting with a League Cup final.

[Since452]

Our direction of travel was downwards and pretty fast. He wouldn't do press, he was throwing players under the bus when he did decide to talk to the media and he was falling out with senior management. Most of the time we ended up with Scott "Chewbacca" Parker making excuses for him. If he had remained at the club I am certain we would have been in the relegation mix. Would we have been relegated? who knows..would we have finished in the bottom half of the table..absolutely.

I remember him playing Lewis Allan up front against someone to make some sort of point while our main strikers were on the bench. The boy looked so far out of his depth I really felt for him. We didn't win either. Things like that make me resent Lennon. Deliberately putting a weakened side out to make a point was disrespecting the club and fans.

[Frazerbob]

Poor Neil blaming no fans and poor Pat Bonner on Sportsound blaming no fans at games. They really are so arrogant.

A bit unfair on Bonner. He’s as far removed from arrogant as you can get. His opinions on the Dubai debacle were very fair, he was extremely critical of his club.

[Allez Hibs]

Comparing NL and now is like night and day in terms of playing style. I loved watching us under Lennon, we were scintillating in our first season back and some of the matches were immense viewing.

However we did have midfield that was the envy of everyone except Celtic, and we were very fortunate that everything came together in that regard.

Ross's style is a lot more pragmatic, which is fine if not jump-out-your-seat entertainment for most of the time - but it isn't always dull. We played some good/great stuff against Dundee United, Rangers & Celtic.

Purely in the league I'd argue Lennon' s 16/17 team was poorer than Stubbs previous two teams in 14/15 and 15/16 but got promoted as we really only had Dundee United to contend with.

Lennon is someone I don't feel sorry for.

[Billy Whizz]

He has been good for Celtc as a player and manager, type of guy you would want on your side that's for sure, and I'm sure his trophy cabinet shows how good he was for celtc.

Your 100% right Silver, but in the hear and now that’s what he’s being judged on
With Celtic having no game until next week, they might possibly use this time to make a decision

[B.H.F.C]

I think you're wearing some rose tinted specs here. The Championship season was pretty dire stuff at times. My groups season tickets were not heavily used. Our first season back was better, stuttering at times, with some very good performances, followed by some equally poor ones. It only kicked off as scintillating for me once Allan, McLaren and Kamberi came in during the January window. I'll grant him that definitely. The next season quickly turned sour and by the time of his departure he'd completely lost the plot.

I'll take the here and now over four good months under Lennon. I believe the team is going places that he never managed to take us, starting with a League Cup final.

Often overlooked that we did well in the first half of that first season back up for me. Won at Ibrox, beat Hearts, couple of draws with then unbeaten Celtic. Obviously there were some dodgy performances in there as well but things only went properly wrong for Lennon, IMO, in the October before he left. Went to Parkhead with the chance to go top, he mucked about with the team, and it was pretty downhill thereafter.

[WhileTheChief..]

His time as manager was one of my favourites as a Hibs fan. We really kicked on from the Scottish Cup win and cemented our place back in the top flight as one of the top teams. Unfortunately losing McGinn, McGeough and Allan had an effect.

He’s a controversial character and I thank him for the good times we had during his time here. He has won plenty of trophies in the game as player and manager so I doubt he will be too bothered about being branded as a failure.

:top marks

[Allez Hibs]

Often overlooked that we did well in the first half of that first season back up for me. Won at Ibrox, beat Hearts, couple of draws with then unbeaten Celtic. Obviously there were some dodgy performances in there as well but things only went properly wrong for Lennon, IMO, in the October before he left. Went to Parkhead with the chance to go top, he mucked about with the team, and it was pretty downhill thereafter.

Then branded them loan players and rejects after the game.

But, to some Hibs fans he was the best Hibs manager since Eddie Turnbull. He wasn't.

[weecounty hibby]

I enjoyed the time he was with us, I genuinely thought we would win the cup that year again. We got promoted and the first season back was exciting. But let's not kid ourselves on. I thought he was a total prick before he joined and am back to thinking that way again now he has gone. He was probably a total prick when he was Hibs manager but we let him away with it because he was our prick! It is a joy to see the struggles at the moment for him and celtic

[Smartie]

I'd bet Ross record is probably one of the best we've had from a manager

Certainly better than OK

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I can be critical of him at times, but when you take into consideration the fact that he's played all of his games in the top league, inherited a bit of a mess (albeit with some talented but underperforming players), is overseeing a bit of a transition, and has reached the semis in both of the cup competitions in which he has started - his record is pretty damn good. Who knows whether or not he might have done better against Hearts had the semi been played last season, and he still had an outside chance of European qualification had that season been played to a conclusion.

If the football was bit bonnier we'd be raving about the guy. Even then, he's fighting against us having to watch it being played in an empty stadium from afar.

Plenty of mitigating factors and plenty of benefit of doubt should be afforded to the guy.

Outsiders looking in and placing our issues in the context of our club's historical record of performance would reasonably wonder what anyone's moaning about.

[J-C]

How did Lennon take a good team and make them worse? 😭

Also how has he shown that he is not a good coach or manager? He’s won 6 league titles, 4 Scottish cups and a league cup.


Took a team that nearly finished 2nd and then the next season had them scraping about the relegation zone.

A half trained monkey could win titles and cups with the budget and resources Celtic have.

[Jones28]

I think you're wearing some rose tinted specs here. The Championship season was pretty dire stuff at times. My groups season tickets were not heavily used. Our first season back was better, stuttering at times, with some very good performances, followed by some equally poor ones. It only kicked off as scintillating for me once Allan, McLaren and Kamberi came in during the January window. I'll grant him that definitely. The next season quickly turned sour and by the time of his departure he'd completely lost the plot.

I'll take the here and now over four good months under Lennon. I believe the team is going places that he never managed to take us, starting with a League Cup final.

I did say our first season back, in which I meant the 17/18 campaign. We had some good performances prior to those guys coming in though, wins against Hearts and Rangers then coming a bawhair from beating Celtics invincible run. We went on a run of 4 wins a row which I don't think we've done since. The fall from grace for NL was spectacular and started when we lost at Tynecastle and he started talking about being unsure about being here the following season.

[J-C]

I'd bet Ross record is probably one of the best we've had from a manager

Certainly better than OK

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Yes it's decent sitting 3rd but the teams outwith the top 4-5 are pretty gash, too many draws and needless losses against Ross Co, etc.


It's pretty dire to watch though.

:agree: The odd good performance mingled with slow boring performances.

[SHODAN]

Arguably one area that Lennon has over Ross is his record in big games.

Against Celtic, Rangers, Hearts or Aberdeen, records for Hibs are:
Lennon: Played 29, Won 8, Drew 11, Lost 12. Win percentage: 28%
Ross: Played 15, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 10. Win percentage: 13%

Ross has lost almost as many games against the big four as Lennon did in half the time. Ross has also never won against either half of the OF, which puts him in the same club as Sauzee and Butcher.

[Jones28]

Purely in the league I'd argue Lennon' s 16/17 team was poorer than Stubbs previous two teams in 14/15 and 15/16 but got promoted as we really only had Dundee United to contend with.

Lennon is someone I don't feel sorry for.

I agree, I said first season back meaning season 17/18.

I haven't felt sorry for NL for a long time, I even thought his dive a Tynecastle when the coin hit him was borderline embarassing.

[Smartie]

Took a team that nearly finished 2nd and then the next season had them scraping about the relegation zone.

A half trained monkey could win titles and cups with the budget and resources Celtic have.

When the time comes to replace Lennon, there'll be no shortage of decent cv's that come in to manage a big club that offers Champions League football and prizes if you get it right. I'd be surprised if they're overlooked in favour of any half-trained monkey.

I don't think Celtic is as easy a job as folk make out. There is very little margin for error and huge expectation to succeed. Lennon has a track record of succeeding in that environment whereas a few esteemed figures have crashed and burned.

He's made a pig's ear of this season. Their transfer business in the summer was dreadful. He disappeared halfway through a rebuilding job with us, we'll never know how that might have worked out in the end for him. Some of the players he was crying out for at Hibs arrived a few days after he left.

Lennon can be hard to like at times and I wonder if he's been a bit left behind when it comes to sports science, player recruitment and tactics, but he's done enough in the game in the past to be afforded a decent amount of respect.

[Since452]

There are a lot of pro's and cons from his time at Easter Road.

The good.

Putting Hearts out SC.
Promotion.
Brondby away.
2nd half of first season back.
Greece.
Ibrox.
Beating a good Celtic side.
Points total.

The bad.

14 draws in a ***** Championship.
Tynecastle meltdown - threatening to walk.
Calling the players rejects.
Playing Lewis Allan to make a point.
Scrapping with Jim Duffy.
4th official at Killie.
Erratic team selections.
Kamberi saga.
Long winless run in his last season.
Throwing himself to the deck at Tynecastle.

Probably a lot more I've forgotten.

[Stevie Reid]

Took a team that nearly finished 2nd and then the next season had them scraping about the relegation zone.

When were we scraping around the relegation zone?

[B.H.F.C]

Took a team that nearly finished 2nd and then the next season had them scraping about the relegation zone.

A half trained monkey could win titles and cups with the budget and resources Celtic have.

I don’t think he ever had us even close to scraping about the relegation zone.

[J-C]

When the time comes to replace Lennon, there'll be no shortage of decent cv's that come in to manage a big club that offers Champions League football and prizes if you get it right. I'd be surprised if they're overlooked in favour of any half-trained monkey.

I don't think Celtic is as easy a job as folk make out. There is very little margin for error and huge expectation to succeed. Lennon has a track record of succeeding in that environment whereas a few esteemed figures have crashed and burned.

He's made a pig's ear of this season. Their transfer business in the summer was dreadful. He disappeared halfway through a rebuilding job with us, we'll never know how that might have worked out in the end for him. Some of the players he was crying out for at Hibs arrived a few days after he left.

Lennon can be hard to like at times and I wonder if he's been a bit left behind when it comes to sports science, player recruitment and tactics, but he's done enough in the game in the past to be afforded a decent amount of respect.


The trained monkey was a throw away comment, it's been used before.

Lots of stories about Lennon not liking sport science, players fitness levels being poor, allowing his favourites like Efe to get away with murder re training and time keeping and then there's his ups and downs which upset the dressing room atmosphere.
I'll be honest I never liked him as a player and never liked him as a manager.

[easty]

When were we scraping around the relegation zone?

Never

[BILLYHIBS]

There are a lot of pro's and cons from his time at Easter Road.

The good.

Putting Hearts out SC.
Promotion.
Brondby away.
2nd half of first season back.
Greece.
Ibrox.
Beating a good Celtic side.
Points total.

The bad.

14 draws in a ***** Championship.
Tynecastle meltdown - threatening to walk.
Calling the players rejects.
Playing Lewis Allan to make a point.
Scrapping with Jim Duffy.
4th official at Killie.
Erratic team selections.
Kamberi saga.
Long winless run in his last season.
Throwing himself to the deck at Tynecastle.

Probably a lot more I've forgotten.

Good

Aeroplane v The Hun

Bad

Playing Jase as a lone striker versus Aberdeen at Hampden
Always having to re-jig his initial selection
Felt he was too good for us and was doing us a favour
Working his ticket
No Plan B
Playing players out of position

[J-C]

When were we scraping around the relegation zone?


I don’t think he ever had us even close to scraping about the relegation zone.


This term started well, with Hibs sitting second after eight games, but Sunday's victory at St Mirren - under the command of Eddie May and Grant Murray - ended a run of five league games without a win.
It lifted them up to seventh place - five points behind St Johnstone in sixth and seven behind city rivals Hearts. Hibs have also reached the Scottish Cup last 16 and will host Raith Rovers next month.

Leaving us in 8th place to me looks like heading towards the relegation zone.

[Allez Hibs]

Arguably one area that Lennon has over Ross is his record in big games.

Against Celtic, Rangers, Hearts or Aberdeen, records for Hibs are:
Lennon: Played 29, Won 8, Drew 11, Lost 12. Win percentage: 28%
Ross: Played 15, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 10. Win percentage: 13%

Ross has lost almost as many games against the big four as Lennon did in half the time. Ross has also never won against either half of the OF, which puts him in the same club as Sauzee and Butcher.

If applied as a point percentage...

Lennon 35 points out of 87 = 40%
Jack Ross 9 points out of 45 = 20%

Is someone able to calculate going back to Alex Miller? Would make interesting reading and would help contextualise Jack Ross.

[Stevie Reid]

This term started well, with Hibs sitting second after eight games, but Sunday's victory at St Mirren - under the command of Eddie May and Grant Murray - ended a run of five league games without a win.
It lifted them up to seventh place - five points behind St Johnstone in sixth and seven behind city rivals Hearts. Hibs have also reached the Scottish Cup last 16 and will host Raith Rovers next month.

Leaving us in 8th place to me looks like heading towards the relegation zone.

You said he left us scraping around the relegation zone. We had 16 points more than the team in 11th place.

We were on a pretty poor run at the time, but your statement is nonsense.

[Allez Hibs]

Good

Aeroplane v The Hun

Bad

Playing Jase as a lone striker versus Aberdeen at Hampden
Always having to re-jig his initial selection
Felt he was too good for us and was doing us a favour
Working his ticket
No Plan B
Playing players out of position

All of the above. The inconsistent team selection was very frustrating. You never knew what team was going to be starting going to games.

[J-C]

You said he left us scraping around the relegation zone. We had 16 points more than the team in 11th place.

We were on a pretty poor run at the time, but your statement is nonsense.


We were dropping like a stone and sat 8th, 16 points above 11th means nothing when you see the state we were in, remember we had 4+ months of football still to play. Heckingbottom steadied things and got us to 5th but we were definitely heading the wrong way and quickly.

[JimBHibees]

We were dropping like a stone and sat 8th, 16 points above 11th means nothing when you see the state we were in. Heckingbottom steadied things and got us to 5th but we were definitely heading the wrong way and quickly.

We were never getting relegated though.

[Stevie Reid]

We were dropping like a stone and sat 8th, 11 points above 11th means nothing when you see the state we were in. Heckingbottom steadied things and got us to 5th but we were definitely heading the wrong way and quickly.

16 points. And definitely not 'scraping around the relegation zone', eh?

[GRA]

Can't believe people are slating Lenny's time with us. Considering he:

- Got us comfortably promoted at the first attempt (something Stubbsy never done)
- Got regular wins against Hearts
- More than held our own against the Old Firm
- Competed for 2nd place until the penultimate game in 17/18
- Qualification in Europe and through two rounds (something not done since the 70s)
- Stuck up for us on more than one occasion (especially when Levein was getting his digs in)

I'd say he did pretty well. Sure the last 3 months weren't pretty and we can always go back to specific games with hindsight and say he got it wrong but on the whole the 2016-18 period was a good time for us.

[B.H.F.C]

This term started well, with Hibs sitting second after eight games, but Sunday's victory at St Mirren - under the command of Eddie May and Grant Murray - ended a run of five league games without a win.
It lifted them up to seventh place - five points behind St Johnstone in sixth and seven behind city rivals Hearts. Hibs have also reached the Scottish Cup last 16 and will host Raith Rovers next month.

Leaving us in 8th place to me looks like heading towards the relegation zone.

We weren’t in great nick but we were nowhere near a relegation place. We were closer to a European places. Two of those five were draws against Rangers and we’d beaten Celtic in the game before that.

[wookie70]

Good

Aeroplane v The Hun

Bad

Playing Jase as a lone striker versus Aberdeen at Hampden
Always having to re-jig his initial selection
Felt he was too good for us and was doing us a favour
Working his ticket
No Plan B
Playing players out of position

Aeroplane v The Hun would be a bad for me although that game would be a positive and summed up that last 3 or 4 months of that season. A team of very good players who went out to play with little or no strategy or guidance. They were good enough to make that work when the right mix arrived and Lennon played them. Even a small change like dropping McLaren because he was in the huff with him could disrupt the whole flow.

[MWHIBBIES]

The 5-5 definitely not a positive in my mind. Should've hammered that ****.

[BILLYHIBS]

Aeroplane v The Hun would be a bad for me although that game would be a positive and summed up that last 3 or 4 months of that season. A team of very good players who went out to play with little or no strategy or guidance. They were good enough to make that work when the right mix arrived and Lennon played them. Even a small change like dropping McLaren because he was in the huff with him could disrupt the whole flow.
Second part of 2017/18 was wonderful

It took guts to clear out his strike force halfway through a season

Was just about to post he let petty fall outs influence his team selections and not look at the bigger picture

Cannae wait to find out what really happened in Kamberi-gate

[Peevemor]

I thought the aeroplane was as cringey as the slo-mo collapse to the ground at Tynie was embarassing.

[BILLYHIBS]

The 5-5 definitely not a positive in my mind. Should've hammered that ****.

I actually thought the same whilst posting but anything that winds that lot up

Shudda molocated them

[Is It On....]

If applied as a point percentage...

Lennon 35 points out of 87 = 40%
Jack Ross 9 points out of 45 = 20%

Is someone able to calculate going back to Alex Miller? Would make interesting reading and would help contextualise Jack Ross.

Even the thought of Alex Miller football fills me with dread. The football was terrible to watch and his attitude that derbies were "just" another 3 points used to wind me up. The crowds were not great and there was one game in particular at Tynecastle when we barely filled half the away end. Definitely not a fun time to watch Hibs ☹️

[cabbageandribs1875]

'kin brilliant

24258

[#2 Double Tap]

I thought the aeroplane was as cringey as the slo-mo collapse to the ground at Tynie was embarassing.

the slo mo dive at tynie was a moment of genius, took all the negative press away from us, which we were gonna get after their keeper took the dive.........the plane, well that was just awesome, if only he hada had that attitude towards the ****bos he woulda gone down as legendary over here.

imo he totally lost interest once he felt he couldnt compete against gerrard, it is sad, but I also think it shows why we should always look to appoint hibs minded people or people who have no connection to the scottish game cause loyalties run very deep........yes I'm pretty paranoid haha.

[calumhibee1]

The 5-5 definitely not a positive in my mind. Should've hammered that ****.

As someone who has been very critical of Lennon I would definitely call it a highlight for me. One of the best games I’ve ever seen. Sheer chaos from start to finish.

[silverhibee]

'kin brilliant

24258

Is there a connection between that and Nakamura :cb

[Magpie]

Took a team that nearly finished 2nd and then the next season had them scraping about the relegation zone.

A half trained monkey could win titles and cups with the budget and resources Celtic have.

The fact he took the team from the championship to almost finishing 2nd suggests he didn’t make them worse. I think you are over exaggerating with your relegation comments, we were far away from that.

Lewis Stevenson said a week ago that Neil Lennon is the best manager he has played under, I’ll take that and his achievements in the game as recognition of being a good coach/manager.

[WhileTheChief..]

'kin brilliant

24258

Agreed. That long with the ear-cupping at Ibrox and the Natural Order game are up there with some of the best times we’ve had recently.

It was never dull with him that’s for sure. I don’t remember many posters saying things were boring either!

[weecounty hibby]

As someone who has been very critical of Lennon I would definitely call it a highlight for me. One of the best games I’ve ever seen. Sheer chaos from start to finish.

I agree probably up there with the Falkirk 4-3 semifinal as an exciting game. I came away from it drained and buzzing. But when the dust settled I was really pissed me off that we didn't give them a total doing. 3-0 up against them and cruising to snatching a draw.

[we are hibs]

The first 20 of the 5-5 was superb. Possibly the loudest ive ever heard easter road after the 3rd goal. If Whittaker had scored a header and put us 4 up then i reckon we wouldve got the 6 goals.

[Not In The Know]

'kin brilliant

24258


I did like that but TBH it was only because he used to manage celtic that he got excited against them.

[.Sean.]

The first 20 of the 5-5 was superb. Possibly the loudest ive ever heard easter road after the 3rd goal. If Whittaker had scored a header and put us 4 up then i reckon we wouldve got the 6 goals.
Absolute bedlam.

[OtleyHibs]

The first 20 of the 5-5 was superb. Possibly the loudest ive ever heard easter road after the 3rd goal. If Whittaker had scored a header and put us 4 up then i reckon we wouldve got the 6 goals.

Always remember Lennon chuckling in the post match interview saying “we needed the 4th goal”
Was a ridiculous start that day, probably the best 20/25 mins I’ve seen at Easter road 😁

[04Sauzee]

Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes has raised concerns with coronavirus protocols at some clubs – admitting he has flagged issues at a couple of away grounds this season.

[ben johnson]

Can't believe people are slating Lenny's time with us. Considering he:

- Got us comfortably promoted at the first attempt (something Stubbsy never done)
- Got regular wins against Hearts
- More than held our own against the Old Firm
- Competed for 2nd place until the penultimate game in 17/18
- Qualification in Europe and through two rounds (something not done since the 70s)
- Stuck up for us on more than one occasion (especially when Levein was getting his digs in)

I'd say he did pretty well. Sure the last 3 months weren't pretty and we can always go back to specific games with hindsight and say he got it wrong but on the whole the 2016-18 period was a good time for us.

Rather harsh on Stubbs who had Hearts and Rangers in the league
Stubbs would have promoted us but for a series of scandalous refereeing decisions against Falkirk at ER in the first leg play off and all within 30 seconds.

[Magpie]

Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes has raised concerns with coronavirus protocols at some clubs – admitting he has flagged issues at a couple of away grounds this season.

Aberdeen and Celtic trying to get the season cancelled 🙃

[Since452]

Can't believe people are slating Lenny's time with us. Considering he:

- Got us comfortably promoted at the first attempt (something Stubbsy never done)
- Got regular wins against Hearts
- More than held our own against the Old Firm
- Competed for 2nd place until the penultimate game in 17/18
- Qualification in Europe and through two rounds (something not done since the 70s)
- Stuck up for us on more than one occasion (especially when Levein was getting his digs in)

I'd say he did pretty well. Sure the last 3 months weren't pretty and we can always go back to specific games with hindsight and say he got it wrong but on the whole the 2016-18 period was a good time for us.

His last 4 months were as bad as his 4 months post January 2018 were good

[hibbysam]

Rather harsh on Stubbs who had Hearts and Rangers in the league
Stubbs would have promoted us but for a series of scandalous refereeing decisions against Falkirk at ER in the first leg play off and all within 30 seconds.

Wasn’t just at ER, was a stonewall red card in the second leg for the penalty that Craig Thomson decided not to give.

[Callum_62]

Rather harsh on Stubbs who had Hearts and Rangers in the league
Stubbs would have promoted us but for a series of scandalous refereeing decisions against Falkirk at ER in the first leg play off and all within 30 seconds.Still had the playoff final to go after Falkirk

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[Northernhibee]

Also, the only top flight team we lost to over 90 minutes under Stubbs was in the league cup final. We'd have done very well under his leadership in the top flight. Particularly memorable was taking on the league leaders Aberdeen and winning 2-0.

[jacomo]

Also, the only top flight team we lost to over 90 minutes under Stubbs was in the league cup final. We'd have done very well under his leadership in the top flight. Particularly memorable was taking on the league leaders Aberdeen and winning 2-0.


Yes we would have been fine.

He probably regrets his decision to leave every day.

[WhileTheChief..]

Always remember Lennon chuckling in the post match interview saying “we needed the 4th goal”
Was a ridiculous start that day, probably the best 20/25 mins I’ve seen at Easter road 😁

We had some amazing games with Lennon in charge.

The buzz around ER was way better than than we had seen for years and we went into big games against Hearts and the Old Firm with genuine belief we would win.

Good times indeed.

[J-C]

Yes we would have been fine.

He probably regrets his decision to leave every day.

Don't think he had much choice in leaving at that time, needed to be nearer his wife and family.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The first 20 of the 5-5 was superb. Possibly the loudest ive ever heard easter road after the 3rd goal. If Whittaker had scored a header and put us 4 up then i reckon we wouldve got the 6 goals.

That was great - McGinn was pumped and waving everyone back to halfway after we’d just gone 3-0 up!

Even if we’d got 6 I think we still wouldn’t have got 2nd due to Aberdeen winking at parkhead.

[mcohibs]

We had some amazing games with Lennon in charge.

The buzz around ER was way better than than we had seen for years and we went into big games against Hearts and the Old Firm with genuine belief we would win.

Good times indeed.

Lennon's tenure for the most part was the most enjoyable time to watch Hibs since the Mowbray days for me. Going to parkhead and ibrox and into derbies not hoping, but expecting to get a result. European football. Great times. The wheels came off in the end but it was some ride

[heretoday]

I'm trying to imagine Jack Ross doing the aeroplane!

[FilipinoHibs]

Lennon's tenure for the most part was the most enjoyable time to watch Hibs since the Mowbray days for me. Going to parkhead and ibrox and into derbies not hoping, but expecting to get a result. European football. Great times. The wheels came off in the end but it was some ride

We did not win the Championship convincingly and most of the football was hard to watch.

First half of season back in SPFLwas mediocre, second half was the highlight of his time here. Bringing in Allan, McLaren and Kambeti turned the team around.

2nd season back we were woeful and in free fall. Team selection and tactics puzzling.

Then we had his antics on and off the pitch.

Yes there were some highlights and we got a lot of media attention but his tenure was far from a consistent success. One good half season.

[Since452]

We did not win the Championship convincingly and most of the football was hard to watch.

First half of season back in SPFLwas mediocre, second half was the highlight of his time here. Bringing in Allan, McLaren and Kambeti turned the team around.

2nd season back we were woeful and in free fall. Team selection and tactics puzzling.

Then we had his antics on and off the pitch.

Yes there were some highlights and we got a lot of media attention but his tenure was far from a consistent success. One good half season.

That one good half blinkers how largely mediocre the rest of his tenure was. The Championship season was eye bleeding disguised by the euphoria of just having won the cup and a good cup defence. Failed to win 18 games which was more than in the previous two seasons with Rangers and Hearts in the league.

He's generally remembered for finishing 4th and doing an aeroplane celebration at the end of a game we chucked. The woeful championship season and relegation form is largely forgotten about.

[Since452]

We were never getting relegated though.

I thought the same when Butcher took over from Fenlon when we were only 5 points off 2nd.

[Sergio sledge]

We did not win the Championship convincingly and most of the football was hard to watch.

First half of season back in SPFLwas mediocre, second half was the highlight of his time here. Bringing in Allan, McLaren and Kambeti turned the team around.

2nd season back we were woeful and in free fall. Team selection and tactics puzzling.

Then we had his antics on and off the pitch.

Yes there were some highlights and we got a lot of media attention but his tenure was far from a consistent success. One good half season.

I agree with most of this post, however lets be fair to Lennon, that whole first season back in the Premiership was excellent. The first half rightly gets overshadowed by the second half, but up until the January break the team was averaging 1.59 points per game, which would have put us almost exactly on the same points as Mowbray's first season (60.42 vs 61) and only bettered by the 00/01 season since we moved to 38 games a season.

We only lost 5 out of the first 22 games that season, scoring at a rate only bettered by Mowbray and Mcleish's teams and conceding at a rate only bettered by the 00/01 season. I'd hardly call that "mediocre" as some people on this thread are.

Interestingly the first half of the season he left was exactly what I would describe as mediocre, we had 7 wins, 9 draws and 7 losses when he left meaning our points per game at that stage was worse than 8 out of the previous 15 seasons in the premiership (since 38 games started) and better than 7.

I agree though, the form was not good when he left and he appeared to have no idea how to turn it around with the players we had.

[Stevie Reid]

That one good half blinkers how largely mediocre the rest of his tenure was. The Championship season was eye bleeding disguised by the euphoria of just having won the cup and a good cup defence. Failed to win 18 games which was more than in the previous two seasons with Rangers and Hearts in the league.

He's generally remembered for finishing 4th and doing an aeroplane celebration at the end of a game we chucked. The woeful championship season and relegation form is largely forgotten about.

Come on man. The Championship season was far from impressive, but woeful? We won the league by 11 points.

Why does it matter that the Championship season wasn't hugely impressive? It was a means to an end, we had spent two years down there already, and just needed to get out. How impressively we won the Championship was never going to have any bearing on how we performed once back in the SPL. We won the league by a mile in 1999, but were far better equipped for the top league in 2017, than we were in '99.

For me, moaning about the Championship winning season being boring is akin to complaining that we weren't very impressive when we beat Dundee Utd in the 2016 Scottish Cup semi final - it doesn't matter, it got us to where we wanted to be. And once we were there, we delivered, big time.

[Callum_62]

Rumour that Rafa is heading to celtic

That would be a serious appointment

Edit - Guillame Ballague saying he won't be either Newcastle or Celtics manager

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[Ronniekirk]

Rumour that Rafa is heading to celtic

That would be a serious appointment

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But ten in a row is gone Doubt they will get that opportunity again
Some Celtic Fans will not forgive the Board or Lennon fir not Delivering on that


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[Hiber-nation]

Rumour that Rafa is heading to celtic

That would be a serious appointment

Edit - Guillame Ballague saying he won't be either Newcastle or Celtics manager

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1/6 with Skybet.

[hibsbollah]

His comments on Frimpong in the press today are naive and childish. Talking about how he’s ‘feeling let down’, how Celtic played such a big part in his development (boy was in the best youth set up in Europe from age of 9 to 19, then plays for less than 12 months in Scotland under a manager who even his supporters admit is more of a man manager and motivator (shorthand for shouting and swearing) than a tactician. I see his friend Chris Sutton has weighed in too about how he’s not worth £11.5 million, how he’s lazy, etc.

They paid £300k for him and will receive over £11million. Even with City’s cut that’s a healthy profit. Much better to make the normal noises about being grateful to the player etc than to flat tyre him on the way out the door.

[flash]

Rumour that Rafa is heading to celtic

That would be a serious appointment

Edit - Guillame Ballague saying he won't be either Newcastle or Celtics manager

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Balague would know I reckon.

[Magpie]

Balague would know I reckon.

I read yesterday that Rafa’s preference is to return to the Premier League. Steve Bruce seems to be on thin ice so I expect that job will become available first.

[Since452]

I read yesterday that Rafa’s preference is to return to the Premier League. Steve Bruce seems to be on thin ice so I expect that job will become available first.

Probably more chance Steve Bruce going to Celtic than Rafa

[SanFranHibs]

That was great - McGinn was pumped and waving everyone back to halfway after we’d just gone 3-0 up!

Even if we’d got 6 I think we still wouldn’t have got 2nd due to Aberdeen winking at parkhead.

If I recall correctly, was the third last game of the season not up at Aberdeen when Jamie Mac missed the penalty and it finished 0-0. I recall thinking at the time if we won that then we were in pole position for 2nd place with only 2 games remaining. My memory might be playing tricks :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

i see Lawwell is retiring this summer

Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell to step down in summer after 17 years | Celtic | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/29/celtic-chief-executive-peter-lawwell-to-step-down-in-summer-after-17-years)

Celtic’s chief executive, Peter Lawwell, is to retire in the summer after 17 years with the Scottish Premiership champions.
The 61-year-old will step down at the end of June after overseeing a period of success that has seen the club win 29 trophies, including 13 league titles.


(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/12/celtic-plasticine-empire-is-collapsing-amid-arrogance-and-awful-decisions-apologise-dubai)Scottish Rugby’s chief operating officer, Dominic McKay, will take over from Lawwell in July.

[SanFranHibs]

Just listened to his post match interview and again pretty much blaming the players. "Not getting enough from them". "Even look at the contribution from Griffiths". (Meant as not nearly good enough)"

Good questions. Lennon sounds tired and completely lost. But criticizing LG? Let's stir it.

Release the :hyper :hyper :hyper

:flag:

[worcesterhibby]

2nd place is there for the taking if he stays as manager...they are heading for freefall once he starts slagging players...he’ll refuse to turn up for news conferences soon.

[Keith_M]

I actually think the Celtc players have given up, but you've got to ask why. They look a completely different side to the one that beat us 3-0 earlier this season.

Lennon certainly doesn't seem to be helping much.

[The Spaceman]

He’s now slagging players off in his post match interviews. A tragic repeat of business by the born winner who is going to surely go down as one of the worst Celtic managers ever for their performance this season on its own.

[Alfred E Newman]

Rather harsh on Stubbs who had Hearts and Rangers in the league
Stubbs would have promoted us but for a series of scandalous refereeing decisions against Falkirk at ER in the first leg play off and all within 30 seconds.

I think it’s unlikely we would have won the cup if we had made the play off final.

[Northernhibee]

He’s now slagging players off in his post match interviews. A tragic repeat of business by the born winner who is going to surely go down as one of the worst Celtic managers ever for their performance this season on its own.

More amazing considering Leigh’s minutes per goal ratio for the league is the best in the squad.

[B.H.F.C]

2nd place is there for the taking if he stays as manager...they are heading for freefall once he starts slagging players...he’ll refuse to turn up for news conferences soon.

It should have been. But six points behind having played two games more, it isn’t unfortunately. Missed opportunity IMO.

[Since452]

2nd place is there for the taking if he stays as manager...they are heading for freefall once he starts slagging players...he’ll refuse to turn up for news conferences soon.

Huge opportunity for ourselves and Aberdeen

[J-C]

This looks all very familiar, replace Kamberi with Griffiths, complaints about fitness levels, team downing tools etc, it's what he does best, takes a decent team, brings in his own players and then toils and blames everyone except himself.

[wookie70]

More amazing considering Leigh’s minutes per goal ratio for the league is the best in the squad. If you take the European Games and League games his goals per minutes is better than the top three scorers in the League and it wouldn't surprise me if he has scored more goals per minutes than anyone who has scored 5 or more. I just hope Lennon manages him as badly as he did Flo and we can nip in and provide a home for Leigh

[Lendo]

2nd place is there for the taking if he stays as manager...they are heading for freefall once he starts slagging players...he’ll refuse to turn up for news conferences soon.

Does second place get a Champions League place next season? :hmmm:

[Greenbeard]

Does second place get a Champions League place next season? :hmmm:
Aye, 3rd will do us just fine!

[B.H.F.C]

Huge opportunity in for ourselves and Aberdeen

There is no opportunity for us. There should be, but for all they are murder, we’re six points behind having played two games more. They’ll finish comfortably in front of us.

[Suburban Hibby]

There is no opportunity for us. There should be, but for all they are murder, we’re six points behind having played two games more. They’ll finish comfortably in front of us.

Agreed- 1 point from 3 home games of Utd, Ross County & Livi put paid to that. Got tbh I fancied 9 points from them, what a place we would be in then!

[660]

Rumours that griffiths and Lennon were fighting at HT

Lennon is a loathsome little weasel. Bring LG home

[Magpie]

Heard that Lennon is away. That’s just from a Celtic fan, wouldn’t be surprised.

[Brightside]

Heard the same about Lennon.

[Brightside]

Confirmed

[hibee_girl]

Confirmed

Where?

[Golden Bear]

Where?

On Hibs Net. 😄

[hibee_girl]

On Hibs Net. 😄

:aok::greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

I wonder where he goes from here when the inevitable happens?

When he was first linked with us people were saying we were being silly as he was way above us. Given how it ended with us and is ending with Celtic he'll be lucky to get a club like Hibs next time out. It will be some basket case in the English Championship similar to Bolton.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Confirmed

Considering I read this post, took it as face value and then text my mates in the group chat, I should really have checked to see who posted it before I jumped the gun.

Can’t see confirmation anywhere and you’ve got previous for trying too hard to be ITK. Gonnae just leave the scoops to people who actually know their sh*t?

[Greencore]

I wonder where he goes from here when the inevitable happens?

When he was first linked with us people were saying we were being silly as he was way above us. Given how it ended with us and is ending with Celtic he'll be lucky to get a club like Hibs next time out. It will be some basket case in the English Championship similar to Bolton.
He will do an ally mccoist and be a TV pundet.

[tamig]

Confirmed

Where?

[Brightside]

Considering I read this post, took it as face value and then text my mates in the group chat, I should really have checked to see who posted it before I jumped the gun.

Can’t see confirmation anywhere and you’ve got previous for trying too hard to be ITK. Gonnae just leave the scoops to people who actually know their sh*t?

😂😂

[Pedantic_Hibee]

😂😂

Ladies and gentlemen...underscore.

[tamig]

😂😂

Never mind the daft emojis - where is it confirmed?

[calumhibee1]

I wonder where he goes from here when the inevitable happens?

When he was first linked with us people were saying we were being silly as he was way above us. Given how it ended with us and is ending with Celtic he'll be lucky to get a club like Hibs next time out. It will be some basket case in the English Championship similar to Bolton.

I don’t think he’ll be back in management. He’s had two high profile disaster endings in a row and I can’t see him wanting to drop far enough down the ladder for someone to take a punt on him.

His level for his next role would be bottom half Scot Prem or League One or Two in England. He’ll call it a day and be a pundit on BT or Sky I reckon.

[tamig]

I don’t think he’ll be back in management. He’s had two high profile disaster endings in a row and I can’t see him wanting to drop far enough down the ladder for someone to take a punt on him.

His level for his next role would be bottom half Scot Prem or League One or Two in England. He’ll call it a day and be a pundit on BT or Sky I reckon.

I actually find him a really good pundit. He was on 5 Live a lot before he joined us and was very good at the Euros just before he came to ER. I think he’s very engaging and far more suited to punditry than management.

[B.H.F.C]

Never mind the daft emojis - where is it confirmed?

It’s no. It’s a certain poster taking a punt after reading Twitter.

[tamig]

It’s no. It’s a certain poster taking a pint after reading Twitter.

He doesn’t seem to live up to his moniker very well.

[Brightside]

He doesn’t seem to live up to his moniker very well.

Happy? That’s me. 😂😘

[JoeT]

How did they think replacing a 4m a year manager t with a 400k a year manager would help them progress.?

[JXM73]

I think Lennons doing a grand job and should be given another year

[davy67 +]

He will do an ally mccoist and be a TV pundet.

Him and Roy Keane on the same panel who be an interesting watch

[whiskyhibby]

I think Lennons doing a grand job and should be given another year


👍😂

[Lancs Harp]

I don’t think he’ll be back in management. He’s had two high profile disaster endings in a row and I can’t see him wanting to drop far enough down the ladder for someone to take a punt on him.

His level for his next role would be bottom half Scot Prem or League One or Two in England. He’ll call it a day and be a pundit on BT or Sky I reckon.

I think other than delusion and money its why he's hanging in there, this is clearly his last high profile management gig.

[JXM73]

I think other than delusion and money its why he's hanging in there, this is clearly his last high profile management gig.

He's also got to keep paying CSA payments...so cant quit 🤣😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

he's already planning for the summer :greengrin

Neil Lennon on his Celtic summer rebuild plans as he lays blame for poor season partly at door of wantaway stars | HeraldScotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19051849.neil-lennon-celtic-summer-rebuild-plans-lays-blame-poor-season-partly-door-wantaway-stars/?ref=twtrec)


“We are hoping to have a couple of signings done within the next couple of days,” he said.
“I think we are close to one or two so there is no question that work is ongoing and then again it will be prominent in the summer when we are looking to bring players in.

[Charlie123]

I actually find him a really good pundit. He was on 5 Live a lot before he joined us and was very good at the Euros just before he came to ER. I think he’s very engaging and far more suited to punditry than management.

He’ll be done with management after this. The meltdown at Celtic is superb viewing.

[hibee-boys]

Sounds all too familiar really🤔

[FilipinoHibs]

Would anybody swap him for Ross? Asking for an American friend.

[Jones28]

Would anybody swap him for Ross? Asking for an American friend.

...eh?

[Cabbie1875]

Once again he fails when really tested. The born winner stuff is really starting to fade.

And of course its all the players fault. He leaves two expensive strikers on the bench and puts Christie up front but takes none of the blame. Its like Tynecastle all over again.

Said it when he sneaked off the the smellies, he would not deliver 10 in a row, winner ma hole, hes now in the middle of a Lenny meltdown, and blaming the team now, all sounds familiar, get it up ye!!!!

[Eyrie]

I think it's important that Lennon underlines his authority at Celtc, especially with Lawwell leaving, and what clearer way for him to do that than by releasing the player he removed at half time - Griffiths?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I thought he would finally have been sacked last night, but no. It's bizarre.

[Bridge hibs]

I thought he would finally have been sacked last night, but no. It's bizarre.I think celtic have thrown in the towel and are just letting Lennon get on with it to, at the very least get the team playing and secure european competition for next year. Once thats been achieved then they will do their inevitable mass clear out and rebuild for the summer

Maybe, or he might get a new 3 year contract as Lawels final parting shot 😆

[WhileTheChief..]

They’re not going to change manager until the new chief exec starts unless they just let Strachan or whoever act as caretaker to the end of the season.

Prob best for all concerned, Lennon can’t be enjoying it much but he’d be mad to walk out on his contract.

[hibbysam]

They’re not going to change manager until the new chief exec starts unless they just let Strachan or whoever act as caretaker to the end of the season.

Prob best for all concerned, Lennon can’t be enjoying it much but he’d be mad to walk out on his contract.

Which isn’t until the 30th June as it stands. I’d imagine European qualification will be some time in July. A matter of weeks to implement a structure, appoint people into the roles, get rid of players and hire new players, and get them ready for their qualifiers. Would be madness and just about handing Rangers the league again if they left it that late (providing Rangers are anywhere near as consistent as this season).

[WhileTheChief..]

If they had someone in mind now, they’d make their move.

I’d imagine there will be more managers to choose from once seasons around Europe end though?

Would also expect the the new CEO to have a big say in it but it might of course just be down to Desmond.

Be interesting to see who they get.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Confirmed

I’m still checking news outlets for confirmation, mate? Can you clarify?

Your laughing emojis in your post after indicate you might have just been at the wind-up which is worrying for a grown man. Cheers.

[Highwayman]

Lennons post match interview on Sportscene last night made interesting watching.He looked like a rabbit in the headlights.Kenny McIntyre was doing his usual nippy questioning eg “do you think the players have completely let you down”.Lennon couldn’t be bothered defending them and agreed to that and other questions which in the past the steam would have been coming out his ears.We live in interesting times as far as Celtic are concerned.

[Northernhibee]

Lennons post match interview on Sportscene last night made interesting watching.He looked like a rabbit in the headlights.Kenny McIntyre was doing his usual nippy questioning eg “do you think the players have completely let you down”.Lennon couldn’t be bothered defending them and agreed to that and other questions which in the past the steam would have been coming out his ears.We live in interesting times as far as Celtic are concerned.

It would appear he knows who is to blame for the collapse and is finding it harder and harder to shift blame under questioning.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

...eh?

Like a bit of tangential thinking myself.

I know that jokes are poor if they need it be explained but surely you can figure out who the American is supposed to be?

[KingPat4]

Two home games with Aberdeen coming up. Please sack him now.

[Hiber-nation]

Happy? That’s me. 😂😘

You should really leave humour to the folk on here who are actually funny.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m still checking news outlets for confirmation, mate? Can you clarify?

Your laughing emojis in your post after indicate you might have just been at the wind-up which is worrying for a grown man. Cheers.

having a bit of fun isnt' worrying at all. Not like he offended anyone.

[Jones28]

Like a bit of tangential thinking myself.

I know that jokes are poor if they need it be explained but surely you can figure out who the American is supposed to be?

Wow gee thanks. It’s a joke is it?

[Lendo]

Like a bit of tangential thinking myself.

I know that jokes are poor if they need it be explained but surely you can figure out who the American is supposed to be?

I thought he was Peruvian? 😉

[mcohibs]

Considering I read this post, took it as face value and then text my mates in the group chat, I should really have checked to see who posted it before I jumped the gun.

Can’t see confirmation anywhere and you’ve got previous for trying too hard to be ITK. Gonnae just leave the scoops to people who actually know their sh*t?

Bit ironic considering you've just done exactly what you're slating the poster for doing 😂 Read online that Lennon had been sacked, jumped the gun and took it as face value and then redistributed that information to others?

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Bit ironic considering you've just done exactly what you're slating the poster for doing 😂 Read online that Lennon had been sacked, jumped the gun and took it as face value and then redistributed that information to others?

When someone says “confirmed” you’d expect it to be actually confirmed rather than that poster trying to show he knows stuff in an attempt to look cool. He’s got previous. A helluva lot of previous. Don’t know why he bothers to be honest as folk take him less seriously than me on here and I’ve never made a sensible post in my life.

[LongJohnBanger]

When someone says “confirmed” you’d expect it to be actually confirmed rather than that poster trying to show he knows stuff in an attempt to look cool. He’s got previous. A helluva lot of previous. Don’t know why he bothers to be honest as folk take him less seriously than me on here and I’ve never made a sensible post in my life.

Aye but you know a lot about Tony Drago

[Pedantic_Hibee]

You know a lot about Tony Drago

Knowledge like that will get me anywhere in life.

[Itsnoteasy]

Aye but you know a lot about Tony Drago

He could run faster round a snooker table than Ivan Sproule.

[Brightside]

When someone says “confirmed” you’d expect it to be actually confirmed rather than that poster trying to show he knows stuff in an attempt to look cool. He’s got previous. A helluva lot of previous. Don’t know why he bothers to be honest as folk take him less seriously than me on here and I’ve never made a sensible post in my life.

The day I’m concerned about how people “take me” on a football forum is the day I’ll come off for good. I couldn’t give a flying **** about ITK or any other nonsense on here. I’m really sorry it messed up your very serious WhatsApp group. I’d maybe look elsewhere for information. 👍👍

[Pedantic_Hibee]

The day I’m concerned about how people “take me” on a football forum is the day I’ll come off for good. I couldn’t give a flying **** about ITK or any other nonsense on here. I’m really sorry it messed up your very serious WhatsApp group. I’d maybe look elsewhere for information. 👍👍

That’s a fair point and I’m glad it doesn’t affect you. One more question however; why do you post in a matter of fact way of speaking as if to give off the impression you’re connected when in reality, as has been proved countless times, you are wrong?

I know you hang around East Mains a lot but I’m concerned you are being fed duff information. Britt Assombalonga coming to Hibs being one such incident.

[Brightside]

That’s a fair point and I’m glad it doesn’t affect you. One more question however; why do you post in a matter of fact way of speaking as if to give off the impression you’re connected when in reality, as has been proved countless times, you are wrong?

I know you hang around East Mains a lot but I’m concerned you are being fed duff information. Britt Assombalonga coming to Hibs being one such incident.

PM me if you want. 👍

[Iggy Pope]

The day I’m concerned about how people “take me” on a football forum is the day I’ll come off for good. I couldn’t give a flying **** about ITK or any other nonsense on here. I’m really sorry it messed up your very serious WhatsApp group. I’d maybe look elsewhere for information. 👍👍

You spend a serious amount of time on this football forum, 14.5k posts. qualify that, for someone not giving a flying **** I find that remarkable.
Why exactly, are you bothering?
Things I don’t give a flying **** about I tend not to fly a **** at.

[Caversham Green]

Anyway, back to Neil Lennon....

I'm a bit bemused by the contrast between the treatments of Lennon and Kamberi on here.

Kamberi was bullied (allegedly) and scapegoated (definitely) by the management team at Hibs to the extent that he got a loan transfer to Rangers. He said nothing until that transfer went through then said that he had wanted to play for them ever since playing at Ibrox for the first time. Not the brightest thing to say since he was still on our books but he probably thought he was ingratiating himself with the Rangers support. The pretty much unanimous reaction on here was that he should never play for Hibs again and I suspect that the atmosphere before he left was such that he didn't want to anyway.

Lennon on the other hand made no attempt to hide or downplay his love for Celtic to the extent that he admitted, while he was still our manager, that he didn't celebrate when we scored against them and even told others not to celebrate. He was also the one who bullied (allegedly) and scapegoated (definitely) our star striker to the extent that the striker wanted to leave. To me that is a much greater disrespect to our club than Kamberi showed yet it seems Lennon would still be welcomed back by a significant proportion of our support.

My own view is that neither should be welcome at Easter Road, but I'm puzzled as to why Kamberi gets so much more hate than Lennon.

[Is It On....]

It's almost exactly 2 years since Lennon was openly complaining about Hibs players (many of which he signed) and then engineered an exit with seemingly personal remarks about LD. The only difference this time is that the apologists in media like Sutton are not sticking up for him. Celtic need rid asap but I hope he stays until the end of the season 🙂

[Brightside]

You spend a serious amount of time on this football forum, 14.5k posts. qualify that, for someone not giving a flying **** I find that remarkable.
Why exactly, are you bothering?
Things I don’t give a flying **** about I tend not to fly a **** at.

Ok. I assume others are passionate about the forum and is has a big significance in their life? It’s the equivalent of playing an app on your phone. Just passing the time. I’ve probably played Candy Crush 14000 times too. It’s not that important.

[Allez Hibs]

Tom English on BBC Radio Scotland yesterday saying it is now cruelty on Neil Lennon, such a Celtic man and his reputation is being tarnished.

I think it glorious. Its obvious he engineered his move to Celtic. What two clubs were negotiating for Brendan Rodgers? The two clubs Lennon is remembered for most as a player Leicester and Celtic.

[Iggy Pope]

Ok. I assume others are passionate about the forum and is has a big significance in their life? It’s the equivalent of playing an app on your phone. Just passing the time. I’ve probably played Candy Crush 14000 times too. It’s not that important.

Does Candy Crush ever bother writing back?

[Northernhibee]

Tom English on BBC Radio Scotland yesterday saying it is now cruelty on Neil Lennon, such a Celtic man and his reputation is being tarnished.

I think it glorious. Its obvious he engineered his move to Celtic. What two clubs were negotiating for Brendan Rodgers? The two clubs Lennon is remembered for most as a player Leicester and Celtic.


Yep, did SDG, Dylan, Flo, Leigh and others get a say in how they were treated by the petulant sod? The media protection of him by his mates is nauseating.

[Max_Shah]

PM me if you want. ��

Oh dear.

Head's Gone:

Symptoms - Taking the internet too seriously and allowing it to form the basis of one's ego. Curious obsession with internet stickers/likes. Must be right/ITK at all costs.

Treatment: LOL calm down.

This reminds me of the "12 Ruel Street - bring yer maw" meme from Pie and Bovril. https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/265159-cancel-culture/page/3/

Grown men should never go full Pie and Bovril.

I ****ing hate internecine internet drama but I needed a good laugh guys so thanks for that. I mean, ****ing hell we're all on the same side here.

On Lennon

It appears they are waiting for Rugger McKay to take over from Peter LOL before making any noises regarding playing/coaching staff.

They have all but conceded the league but should be more worried about us/sheep sneaking into second.

Rate me rainbows for optimism but I have a premonition that we can finish second this season.

My man thinks I'm daft but I dunno given their form. Aim high. That is my motto.
May as well use this: :nlgwa Long may the Lesser's suffer.

[superfurryhibby]

Would anybody swap him for Ross? Asking for an American friend.

Fools.

[calumhibee1]

Anyway, back to Neil Lennon....

I'm a bit bemused by the contrast between the treatments of Lennon and Kamberi on here.

Kamberi was bullied (allegedly) and scapegoated (definitely) by the management team at Hibs to the extent that he got a loan transfer to Rangers. He said nothing until that transfer went through then said that he had wanted to play for them ever since playing at Ibrox for the first time. Not the brightest thing to say since he was still on our books but he probably thought he was ingratiating himself with the Rangers support. The pretty much unanimous reaction on here was that he should never play for Hibs again and I suspect that the atmosphere before he left was such that he didn't want to anyway.

Lennon on the other hand made no attempt to hide or downplay his love for Celtic to the extent that he admitted, while he was still our manager, that he didn't celebrate when we scored against them and even told others not to celebrate. He was also the one who bullied (allegedly) and scapegoated (definitely) our star striker to the extent that the striker wanted to leave. To me that is a much greater disrespect to our club than Kamberi showed yet it seems Lennon would still be welcomed back by a significant proportion of our support.

My own view is that neither should be welcome at Easter Road, but I'm puzzled as to why Kamberi gets so much more hate than Lennon.

People backed Lennon to the hilt and declared him the greatest manager we could ever get. Not that there’s anything wrong with backing him - I backed Hecky until a couple of games before the end. I’d suggest it’s more of a face saving exercise saying they’d take him back now though.

[Brightside]

Oh dear.

Head's Gone:

Symptoms - Taking the internet too seriously and allowing it to form the basis of one's ego. Curious obsession with internet stickers/likes. Must be right/ITK at all costs.

Treatment: LOL calm down.

This reminds me of the "12 Ruel Street - bring yer maw" meme from Pie and Bovril. https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/265159-cancel-culture/page/3/

Grown men should never go full Pie and Bovril.

I ****ing hate internecine internet drama but I needed a good laugh guys so thanks for that. I mean, ****ing hell we're all on the same side here.

On Lennon

It appears they are waiting for Rugger McKay to take over from Peter LOL before making any noises regarding playing/coaching staff.

They have all but conceded the league but should be more worried about us/sheep sneaking into second.

Rate me rainbows for optimism but I have a premonition that we can finish second this season.

My man thinks I'm daft but I dunno given their form. Aim high. That is my motto.
May as well use this: :nlgwa Long may the Lesser's suffer.

Oh I’m not at all Max. Couldn’t be more chilled. All the best. 👍

[tamig]

Yep, did SDG, Dylan, Flo, Leigh and others get a say in how they were treated by the petulant sod? The media protection of him by his mates is nauseating.

Chris Sutton has changed his tone lately though. He continued to be right behind Lennon until not so long ago.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Neil Lennon hints Celtic could look to re-loan Duffy, Elyounoussi and Laxalt as he weighs up summer options | HeraldScotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19052995.neil-lennon-hints-celtic-re-loan-duffy-elyounoussi-laxalt-weighs-summer-options/)


Neil Lennon has hinted he could look to re-loan Shane Duffy, Diego Laxalt and Moi Elyounoussi when their stints end this summer.


i think he's trolling sellick fans :greengrin shirly

[Andy74]

Anyway, back to Neil Lennon....

I'm a bit bemused by the contrast between the treatments of Lennon and Kamberi on here.

Kamberi was bullied (allegedly) and scapegoated (definitely) by the management team at Hibs to the extent that he got a loan transfer to Rangers. He said nothing until that transfer went through then said that he had wanted to play for them ever since playing at Ibrox for the first time. Not the brightest thing to say since he was still on our books but he probably thought he was ingratiating himself with the Rangers support. The pretty much unanimous reaction on here was that he should never play for Hibs again and I suspect that the atmosphere before he left was such that he didn't want to anyway.

Lennon on the other hand made no attempt to hide or downplay his love for Celtic to the extent that he admitted, while he was still our manager, that he didn't celebrate when we scored against them and even told others not to celebrate. He was also the one who bullied (allegedly) and scapegoated (definitely) our star striker to the extent that the striker wanted to leave. To me that is a much greater disrespect to our club than Kamberi showed yet it seems Lennon would still be welcomed back by a significant proportion of our support.

My own view is that neither should be welcome at Easter Road, but I'm puzzled as to why Kamberi gets so much more hate than Lennon.

Possibly because most of that is made up or at least an incredibly one sided view of events?

Kamberi was criticised because he was still a Hibs player and admitted that Rangers were his dream club and that after only his second game for us he had asked his agent to get a move to Rangers.

We all know Lennon's background with Celtic. When he was here though I don't think that was ever an issue. The stuff about him not celebrating or asking others not to celebrate is nonsense.

We really don't know what went on with the players or with Kamberi. I think the way the team and Kamberi were playing they deserved some criticism. Several players have since said he was the best manager they've ever worked with and so I suspect the bullying and scapegoating is a bit sensationalist.

He's certainly someone who seems to get people upset but I'm not aware of anything he ever did to our club that should mean that I have to have any negative feelings towards him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Possibly because most of that is made up or at least an incredibly one sided view of events?

Kamberi was criticised because he was still a Hibs player and admitted that Rangers were his dream club and that after only his second game for us he had asked his agent to get a move to Rangers.

We all know Lennon's background with Celtic. When he was here though I don't think that was ever an issue. The stuff about him not celebrating or asking others not to celebrate is nonsense.

We really don't know what went on with the players or with Kamberi. I think the way the team and Kamberi were playing they deserved some criticism. Several players have since said he was the best manager they've ever worked with and so I suspect the bullying and scapegoating is a bit sensationalist.

He's certainly someone who seems to get people upset but I'm not aware of anything he ever did to our club that should mean that I have to have any negative feelings towards him.

He said it, though. Like, its a quote, its not made up.

[hibsbollah]

Does Candy Crush ever bother writing back?

Penguin Isle is also very good. I’m currently not far off getting the Ocean Carousel.
Any Lennon to Hibs news yet? Just pingu me if so.

[Andy74]

He said it, though. Like, its a quote, its not made up.

'As long as my team plays well and we get a positive result then I come away satisfied. If we win, I'll not be celebrating. It's three points and we move on. If we get beat, I'll be very upset - that's the standards we have set for them.'

In the context of other interviews that week it is clear that what he meant was that he wanted Hibs teams to go to those places and win and for that to become normal. There's another quote that he doesn't want to see Hibs 'celebrate for a week' if they beat Celtic, it should be the standard and mentality he wants them to get to.

That is very different from what I think people are suggesting that he would not celebrate because he likes Celtic more than Hibs.

[Shrekko]

'As long as my team plays well and we get a positive result then I come away satisfied. If we win, I'll not be celebrating. It's three points and we move on. If we get beat, I'll be very upset - that's the standards we have set for them.'

In the context of other interviews that week it is clear that what he meant was that he wanted Hibs teams to go to those places and win and for that to become normal. There's another quote that he doesn't want to see Hibs 'celebrate for a week' if they beat Celtic, it should be the standard and mentality he wants them to get to.

That is very different from what I think people are suggesting that he would not celebrate because he likes Celtic more than Hibs.

The quotes people are referring to came after he left Hibs. Talked about how he felt taking us to Celtic Park - mixed feelings etc., but he made a specific reference to giving Gary Parker a telling off for celebrating John McGinn’s 2nd goal during the 2-2 draw where we almost broken their long unbeaten run.

Considering how Lennon likes to generally celebrate goals it wasn’t a great thing to hear.

[Jones28]

Neil Lennon hints Celtic could look to re-loan Duffy, Elyounoussi and Laxalt as he weighs up summer options | HeraldScotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19052995.neil-lennon-hints-celtic-re-loan-duffy-elyounoussi-laxalt-weighs-summer-options/)


Neil Lennon has hinted he could look to re-loan Shane Duffy, Diego Laxalt and Moi Elyounoussi when their stints end this summer.


i think he's trolling sellick fans :greengrin shirly

He's lost the ****ing plot if he re-signs Duffy.

[EI255]

He's lost the ****ing plot if he re-signs Duffy.Just been reading this. He has to go down as one of Celtic's worst signings, ever. The AC Milan lad ain't what he's made out to be either. Extremely average SPL player.

If Lennon stays and / or signs these players then they've gift wrapped the 21/22 title to The Rangers FC.

The current Celtic team is woeful. Even my Celtic friends agree.

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[Andy74]

The quotes people are referring to came after he left Hibs. Talked about how he felt taking us to Celtic Park - mixed feelings etc., but he made a specific reference to giving Gary Parker a telling off for celebrating John McGinn’s 2nd goal during the 2-2 draw where we almost broken their long unbeaten run.

Considering how Lennon likes to generally celebrate goals it wasn’t a great thing to hear.

Oh that, yeah.

That was said when he was back at Celtic and I don't think was disrespectful at all towards us when in the context of the whole conversation.

We expect people who have had some link with Hibs to be respectful when they come back to us with other teams. Lennon was talking about the reality of having spent so many years there as player and manager and feeling a bit strange being back there in the other dug out.

He did say though that whilst it was a strange experience his record v Celtic as Hibs manager was good and he was just doing the best job he could for Hibs.

I don't think the telling Parker to sit down comment was entirely serious or at least it was trying to be respectful at the same time as doing their best for us.

[Northernhibee]

He's lost the ****ing plot if he re-signs Duffy.

To not be talking up something like that would be showing weakness and blame for yet another expensive dud of a signing. I'm just surprised he's not brought Big Dave, Mavrias and Nelom to Celtic yet.

[Since452]

To not be talking up something like that would be showing weakness and blame for yet another expensive dud of a signing. I'm just surprised he's not brought Big Dave, Mavrias and Nelom to Celtic yet.

He's signed some utter mince for both us and Celtic. Now Mallan is moving on only Marciano remains from his signings at Hibs. That's some turnover.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's signed some utter mince for both us and Celtic. Now Mallan is moving on only Marciano remains from his signings at Hibs. That's some turnover.

Stubbs still has Boyle, McGregor, Gray and Allan here. Quite telling.

[Keith_M]

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I don't think the telling Parker to sit down comment was entirely serious or at least it was trying to be respectful at the same time as doing their best for us.


:agree:


I always thought that was just a 'playing to the audience' comment and never really took it seriously. I've never seen the particular interview but always imagined he said it with a bit of a mischievous grin on his face.

I doubt very much that really did say something like that to Parker

[easty]

Stubbs still has Boyle, McGregor, Gray and Allan here. Quite telling.

I mean, technically, Allan is still here as a Lennon signing.

[G B Young]

Stubbs still has Boyle, McGregor, Gray and Allan here. Quite telling.

Lennon brought Allan back. He also signed Kamberi and McLaren in that window and all of them were instrumental in kick-starting our season. Efe Ambrose was a great signing and Brandon Barker was an exciting player. He brought back Stokes, which seemed like great news and it was the player, not Lennon, to blame for that not working out. Others, like Danny Swanson, also seemed astute signings but just didn't work out.

[Northernhibee]

Lennon brought Allan back. He also signed Kamberi and McLaren in that window and all of them were instrumental in kick-starting our season. Efe Ambrose was a great signing and Brandon Barker was an exciting player. He brought back Stokes, which seemed like great news and it was the player, not Lennon, to blame for that not working out. Others, like Danny Swanson, also seemed astute signings but just didn't work out.

A lot of signings that "just didn't work out" for Lennon. Almost as if we have a department that looks into every angle of a deal including character for that sort of thing that Stubbs and now Ross is using to the full.

Scott Allan was the luckiest that Neil Lennon ever got. He actually brought Scott Bain in who, through sheer coincidence, became a target of Celtic and as part of a last minute bit of musical chairs we got in Scott Allan. If Celtic didn't need a goalie last minute we'd have had Bain warming our bench and not be talking about how brilliant a signing he was. File under "Phil Airey getting injured so Calderwood gets Leigh instead".

[MWHIBBIES]

I mean, technically, Allan is still here as a Lennon signing.


Lennon brought Allan back. He also signed Kamberi and McLaren in that window and all of them were instrumental in kick-starting our season. Efe Ambrose was a great signing and Brandon Barker was an exciting player. He brought back Stokes, which seemed like great news and it was the player, not Lennon, to blame for that not working out. Others, like Danny Swanson, also seemed astute signings but just didn't work out.

Allan arrived under 3 different manages. The one who first brought him was Stubbs, though.

Marciano and Ambrose were the only 2 players lennon signed who would get in the cup winning side IMO.

[Andy74]

A lot of signings that "just didn't work out" for Lennon. Almost as if we have a department that looks into every angle of a deal including character for that sort of thing that Stubbs and now Ross is using to the full.

Scott Allan was the luckiest that Neil Lennon ever got. He actually brought Scott Bain in who, through sheer coincidence, became a target of Celtic and as part of a last minute bit of musical chairs we got in Scott Allan. If Celtic didn't need a goalie last minute we'd have had Bain warming our bench and not be talking about how brilliant a signing he was. File under "Phil Airey getting injured so Calderwood gets Leigh instead".

Stubbs brought in about 30 players. Loads of them were terrible too.

[Northernhibee]

Stubbs brought in about 30 players. Loads of them were terrible too.

Whataboutery at its finest, and "loads" is a huge overstatement compared to Lennon. Stubbs came into a club with not enough players for a full first team so had to sign quite a few players at short notice and as such there was much more pressure for him to sign a lot of players. Lennon inherited an excellent team and through a number of transfer windows unbalanced it and filled it with overpaid dross.

The recruitment for the two were night and day. The fact we still have a few signings at the club who were first signed by Stubbs says a lot, and that we have two of his signings playing at decent levels in Italy and the English Premiership says a lot too.

[The Modfather]

Possibly because most of that is made up or at least an incredibly one sided view of events?

Kamberi was criticised because he was still a Hibs player and admitted that Rangers were his dream club and that after only his second game for us he had asked his agent to get a move to Rangers.

We all know Lennon's background with Celtic. When he was here though I don't think that was ever an issue. The stuff about him not celebrating or asking others not to celebrate is nonsense.

We really don't know what went on with the players or with Kamberi. I think the way the team and Kamberi were playing they deserved some criticism. Several players have since said he was the best manager they've ever worked with and so I suspect the bullying and scapegoating is a bit sensationalist.

He's certainly someone who seems to get people upset but I'm not aware of anything he ever did to our club that should mean that I have to have any negative feelings towards him.

I’m not sure that’s anymore balanced than the post you’re quoting.

There was good, Marciano, Ambrose, the 17/18 season and the second half to the season being as exciting as any I’ve seen, and taking Stevenson, Boyle, the midfield, and a few others up a level further.

The bad, the spats (Duffy & the 4th official), Tynecastle meltdown where he questioned Hibs’ ambition and threatened to quit after, the 33 signings of which we only still have Marciano, Mallan & Allan with very few of the others generating a fee. Constantly calling out the players (which was probably merited) yet zero acknowledgement of any responsibility he had for what was going on and then going AWOL from press conferences.

He was a mixed bag.

[MWHIBBIES]

Stubbs brought in about 30 players. Loads of them were terrible too.

A significantly higher % of them were a success. Its not even close tbh.

[The Modfather]

A significantly higher % of them were a success. Its not even close tbh.

Yep, Stubbs signed a lot of dudds but also signed the core of a team that were the backbone of subsequent managers’ teams until they got too old. As well as the fee we got for McGinn.

Lennon signed 33 players. Only 3 of which are still here with one apparently about to leave, Mallan, and one which is also a Stubbs signing, Allan. With fees only received for Horgan (who we also paid a fee to sign) & Kamberi.

[superfurryhibby]

I’m not sure that’s anymore balanced than the post you’re quoting.

There was good, Marciano, Ambrose, the 17/18 season and the second half to the season being as exciting as any I’ve seen, and taking Stevenson, Boyle, the midfield, and a few others up a level further.

The bad, the spats (Duffy & the 4th official), Tynecastle meltdown where he questioned Hibs’ ambition and threatened to quit after, the 33 signings of which we only still have Marciano, Mallan & Allan with very few of the others generating a fee. Constantly calling out the players (which was probably merited) yet zero acknowledgement of any responsibility he had for what was going on and then going AWOL from press conferences.

He was a mixed bag.

Good summary.

[easty]

Stubbs brought in about 30 players. Loads of them were terrible too.

No point in trying to be fair or logical, it’s Stubbs good, Lennon bad on here for a lot of people.

[Northernhibee]

No point in trying to be fair or logical, it’s Stubbs good, Lennon bad on here for a lot of people.

Surely comparing one manager with a very good strike rate, despite taking over a freshly relegated club with only a handful of first team players and no goalie with another manager who took over a cup winning team, one of the best midfields in Scotland and signed a lot more players who "just didn't work out" and taking them as like for like isn't "fair" or "logical"?

Way too many on here try to underplay the brilliant job Stubbs did to defend a bang average manager.

I'm guessing you'll now be telling me about Lennon's brilliant promotion season where without Hearts and Rangers in the league he got a whole one point more than Stubbs, or how he "Phil Aireyed" the signing of Scott Allan. Maybe even the fourth place where if he didn't create a boy band it should have been second.

[calumhibee1]

No point in trying to be fair or logical, it’s Stubbs good, Lennon bad on here for a lot of people.

Or Lennon good, Stubbs bad for others.

[easty]

Surely comparing one manager with a very good strike rate, despite taking over a freshly relegated club with only a handful of first team players and no goalie with another manager who took over a cup winning team, one of the best midfields in Scotland and signed a lot more players who "just didn't work out" and taking them as like for like isn't "fair" or "logical"?

Way too many on here try to underplay the brilliant job Stubbs did to defend a bang average manager.

I'm guessing you'll now be telling me about Lennon's brilliant promotion season where without Hearts and Rangers in the league he got a whole one point more than Stubbs, or how he "Phil Aireyed" the signing of Scott Allan. Maybe even the fourth place where if he didn't create a boy band it should have been second.

It’s not the underplaying of Stubbs that seems so evident, it’s the over criticism of all things Lennon.

[easty]

Or Lennon good, Stubbs bad for others.

Couldn’t disagree more. Where’s that evident?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Just been reading this. He has to go down as one of Celtic's worst signings, ever. The AC Milan lad ain't what he's made out to be either. Extremely average SPL player.

If Lennon stays and / or signs these players then they've gift wrapped the 21/22 title to The Rangers FC.

The current Celtic team is woeful. Even my Celtic friends agree.

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How does he rank against Raphael Scheidt?

[Northernhibee]

It’s not the underplaying of Stubbs that seems so evident, it’s the over criticism of all things Lennon.

...you do realise he left us with an unbalanced squad of journeymen plummeting down the table and is now doing the same at Celtic, the easiest job in the country?

[ads913]

For me Cup winning Stubbs changed the club around from playing butcher hoofball to nice attacking all possession football .
Granted we didn't win all the time but it was joyful to watch as a supporter i was confident, a thing i never had been for a long time maybe as far back when Mowbray was at Hibs . Lennon carried the torch right up till we had best midfield in Scotland Allan, Mcgeouch and Mcginn ripping teams apart. Then it started to go downhill. Today i hate to say it but there is hardly any of that flair its like going back in time to Fenlon days and not good to watch.

[Northernhibee]

r its like going back in time to Fenlon days and not good to watch.

It really, truly isn't anywhere near Fenlon times.

[blackpoolhibs]

Shane Duffys dug.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1355585887296491523

:faf:

[Andy74]

It really, truly isn't anywhere near Fenlon times.

Well we were losing cup finals in those days instead of semi finals so I suppose not.

[easty]

It really, truly isn't anywhere near Fenlon times.

Fenlon times were so much worse. I’m far far happier with the current set up than I was back then.

[easty]

...you do realise he left us with an unbalanced squad of journeymen plummeting down the table and is now doing the same at Celtic, the easiest job in the country?

When things aren’t going well it’s toys out the pram and pointing fingers.

Lots of the football we played was great, I was always confident we could get a result, and his signings weren’t half as terrible as some would make out.

[calumhibee1]

Couldn’t disagree more. Where’s that evident?

You can almost guarantee on here that if someone is wanting to big up Lennon on here that it’ll usually come with a dig at Stubbs - usually about us getting promoted under Lennon and not Stubbs. To be fair, I don’t disagree with you that it also happens the other way but it’s certainly not a one way street.

[Jones28]

Shane Duffys dug.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1355585887296491523

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I'm buckled :faf::faf: