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[Carheenlea]

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[Hibby70]

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Ha ha

[Cod Boy]

Wonder if he’ll be taken off Sportscene this Sunday

Find out sooner than that I would think sportscene is on Thursday night.

[Sammy7nil]

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Very well played 😂

Both :top marks:aok:

[Hibbyradge]

Is that you Jim?

Stupid thing to say.

[Keyser Sauzee]

He could do either, but BT are dropping Scottish football. However Sky would be a great place for him. I’ve seen folk comparing him to Chris Sutton and a wholeheartedly disagree; he is by far and away a better pundit and better orator than Sutton.

When are BT stopping Scottish football coverage?

[Hibbyradge]

Do you think that if Traynor had taken the matter further he would’ve been successful in a court case?

I don't know.

I wasn't talking about a possible court case.

If a journalist called me a dangerous man, a bully and said I was manipulating things for my own benefit, I wouldn't be able to take them to court

I'd still be entitled to an apology.

I really hope that the potential for legal action isn't the determining factor as to what journalists can say on the BbC.

That's Katie Hopkins territory.

[supermcginn]

Stupid thing to say.

Couldn't care less, Stewart has went up in my estimation tenfold.

[Hibbyradge]

Couldn't care less, Stewart has went up in my estimation tenfold.

You obviously didn't comprehend my comments.

[Jones28]

When are BT stopping Scottish football coverage?

As of the end of this season it’s going exclusively to sky.

[lord bunberry]

I don't know.

I wasn't talking about a possible court case.

If a journalist called me a dangerous man, a bully and said I was manipulating things for my own benefit, I wouldn't be able to take them to court

I'd still be entitled to an apology.

I really hope that the potential for legal action isn't the determining factor as to what journalists can say on the BbC.

That's Katie Hopkins territory.
Generally speaking an apology is made to avoid legal action. What’s the point otherwise?

[Hibbyradge]

Generally speaking an apology is made to avoid legal action. What’s the point otherwise?

Common decency?

I don't know if Traynor would have gone to court, neither did the BBC, but if his lawyers threatened it if there wasn't an apology, then an apology was the right, and potentially cheapest, thing to give.

[lord bunberry]

Common decency?

I don't know if Traynor would have gone to court, neither did the BBC, but if his lawyers threatened it if there wasn't an apology, then an apology was the right, and potentially cheapest, thing to give.
I’m not buying that at all. The bbc will have lawyers advising them on where and when they’ve crossed the line. Controversy is good for gaining listeners, common decency won’t even be a consideration in making an apology. Unless there’s a potential legal problem or a public outcry there won’t be an apology as it’s an admission of guilt.

[Hibbyradge]

I’m not buying that at all. The bbc will have lawyers advising them on where and when they’ve crossed the line. Controversy is good for gaining listeners, common decency won’t even be a consideration in making an apology. Unless there’s a potential legal problem or a public outcry there won’t be an apology as it’s an admission of guilt.

Lawyers don't decide if someone has crossed the line, courts do that. Neither of us know if Traynor had grounds to sue. Calling him dishonest doesn't seem too strong legally but maybe that's ok.

I don't want broadcasters to be allowed to say what ever they want because they're untouchable legally.

We're not going to agree on this. I'm not surprised the BBC apologised. You're incensed that they did.

Fair enough.

Let's see what happens next. Night.

[Radium]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Traynor has something to do with this sky interview, if that’s the case then anything Stewart has said whilst also becoming more factual, becomes quite a way back in the list of fires for Traynor to fight.

Sky are a massive organisation and somebody will have to foot the blame for the interview somewhere or clubs not just in Scotland will be thinking twice before offering them interviews like that unless they publicly clear it up

The clear suggestion is that the man found under car story was going wrong: private eye hired because Morellos’ partner thought he was playing away whilst she carried their child.

Newspapers will often contact people ahead of time so chances are that the interview was set up to change the narrative the day after the Sunday Mail story came out.

There will now be some spin about the agent and not TRFC being the problem.

Realistically the tame journalists will print what they’re told or lose access.

The really abhorrent issue is that racism is an issue in Scottish football (whether it’s the colour of someone’s skin or their national heritage) and to use the interview simply to deflect from and inconvenient twist to a story is disgusting



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[lord bunberry]

Lawyers don't decide if someone has crossed the line, courts do that. Neither of us know if Traynor had grounds to sue. Calling him dishonest doesn't seem too strong legally but maybe that's ok.

I don't want broadcasters to be allowed to say what ever they want because they're untouchable legally.

We're not going to agree on this. I'm not surprised the BBC apologised. You're incensed that they did.

Fair enough.

Let's see what happens next. Night.
I find your post quite staggering to be honest. At the risk of sounding condescending I’m sure you understood my point. Of course lawyers don’t decide what’s right or wrong, but they absolutely will know what could potentially lead to a court case. An apology wouldn’t have been made on the grounds of common decency it would be made on the advice of the legal team.

[davhibby]

The clear suggestion is that the man found under car story was going wrong: private eye hired because Morellos’ partner thought he was playing away whilst she carried their child.

Newspapers will often contact people ahead of time so chances are that the interview was set up to change the narrative the day after the Sunday Mail story came out.

There will now be some spin about the agent and not TRFC being the problem.

Realistically the tame journalists will print what they’re told or lose access.

The really abhorrent issue is that racism is an issue in Scottish football (whether it’s the colour of someone’s skin or their national heritage) and to use the interview simply to deflect from and inconvenient twist to a story is disgusting



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Surely the thing that makes this different though is that Sky are the biggest sports broadcaster in the UK, this isn’t some Daily Record or Scottish Sun article gone wrong. Sky are going to need to provide some sort of reasonable explanation for how this happened or not only are they risking access to Celtic and maybe even Rangers depending on what’s actually happened but clubs down south will maybe be put off too. If this was something of rangers own doing I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sky try and throw them under the bus to clear their own name

[KingPat4]

Stupid thing to say.

Crikey, I think it was a joke, HR.

[Jonnyboy]

Very well played 😂

:faf: :top marks

[The 90+2]

I don't know.

I wasn't talking about a possible court case.

If a journalist called me a dangerous man, a bully and said I was manipulating things for my own benefit, I wouldn't be able to take them to court

I'd still be entitled to an apology.

I really hope that the potential for legal action isn't the determining factor as to what journalists can say on the BbC.

That's Katie Hopkins territory.

What journalist called Traynor a dangerous man? Unless you are talking about a football pundit with an opinion?

[FilipinoHibs]

I see Sky are saying the miss translation of the interview with Morelos was not made by them but provided to them. I wonder who carried it out and literally invented the answers to show Celtic in a bad light?

[HoboHarry]

I see Sky are saying the miss translation of the interview with Morelos was not made by them but provided to them. I wonder who carried it out and literally invented the answers to show Celtic in a bad light?

That's as crap an excuse as you could hope to find, a big boy did it and ran away. It's their responsibility to verify anything they put out as news.

[FilipinoHibs]

That's as crap an excuse as you could hope to find, a big boy did it and ran away. It's their responsibility to verify anything they put out as news.

Agree must have been supplied by RFC. Should have been checked

[Barney McGrew]

I see Sky are saying the miss translation of the interview with Morelos was not made by them but provided to them. I wonder who carried it out and literally invented the answers to show Celtic in a bad light?

100/1 on that it was The Rangers own interpreter.

[FilipinoHibs]

100/1 on that it was The Rangers own interpreter.

Has to be with slant that was put on it above actual reality. Both SKY and RFC looking very stupid.

[Barney McGrew]

Has to be with slant that was put on it above actual reality. Both SKY and RFC looking very stupid.

Interestingly, Rangers are now briefing that Sky and Morelos’ agent arranged the interpretation and Sky are saying it was provided to them.

Looks like the agent is going to carry the can for it, which is incredibly convenient for both parties.

[truehibernian]

Interestingly, Rangers are now briefing that Sky and Morelos’ agent arranged the interpretation and Sky are saying it was provided to them.

Looks like the agent is going to carry the can for it, which is incredibly convenient for both parties.

There is absolutely no way that when any The Rangers player is interviewed by any media outlet that their own media team aren't aware and have oversight of anything going to press. If it took place at Murray Park / Ibrox they'd have been present throughout it too, perhaps even given Sky a brief beforehand (or asked them what questions were being asked).

[blackpoolhibs]

I wonder how many Journalists or players or even ex players will come out and support Stewart?

[truehibernian]

I wonder how many Journalists or players or even ex players will come out and support Stewart?

I think Graham Spiers implied tacit support on social media yesterday - certainly had a go at Traynor.

[hibsbollah]

Michael is in this neck of the woods often............decent lad. Sadly though John Soutar has been allowed to reside here and he wanders up and down here like a giant stick insect. Standards are slipping bollah :greengrin Nid still rules this gaff mind despite the Airdrie gear :wink:

A few of the Hearts lads also congregate at Project Coffee in Bruntsfield. Saw Jamie Walker there recently and he reminded me of a jakey Clark Gable with his wispy tache......as I passed he fell off his seat under no pressure and was denied a penalty but (latte was uninjured).

Archie Lovell is a Morningside stalwart too...........Hibs Announcer and Daz are frequent visitors :greengrin:aok: so the Hibs contingent is strong in this hood :aok:

:faf: jakey Clarke Gable :faf:

[The Baldmans Comb]

Was there not a herald journalist that lost their job for a story that didn't run with the narrative?

That was Graham Spiers who said something in print that Sevco objected to regarding their board of Directors and if they were really genuine in fighting sectarianism.

It went on for a month behind the scenes with Sevco withdrawing all access and interview rights and more sinister withdrawing advertising from the Herald from companies related to the Directors.

Spiers resigned in the end maybe with a payout to keep quiet and moved to The Times.

Sevco don't have that muscle this time around as the BBC are already banned but you would expect they will demand restricted access for the time being for Stewart.

Rae, Ferguson and Doadsy should expect to have a lot more radio appearances in the next few weeks as the BBC circles the wagons.

[green day]

MS regularly breakfasts in a edinburgh coffee shop I go to sometimes, he's fairly easy to spot around the city, and if he's not publically challenged by a Son of William I'll be surprised.

One of the reasons that MS is able to say some of the things he does and not worry about his family is because he lives here and not in some "pure dead brilliant friendly" place inthe west of Scotland.

I am 100% certain that if he lived in the west this would happen - there would be bricks through windows etc as per the old firm refs.

I know where MS lives and have occasionally chatted to him in a coffee shop like a few on here - a good guy who is doing a good job - and the radio output would be poorer without people who challenge the status quo, like him and Tom English (who I sometimes disagree with, but thats the nature of his role).

[Sammy7nil]

Agree must have been supplied by RFC. Should have been checked

I was told Michael Stewart supplied it - :wink:

[Stonewall]

Tin hat on, but I'm not surprised that the BBC apologised.

I don't think Michael Stewart should have said what he did. He overstepped the mark.

Stewart called Traynor a bully and said he was manipulating stories for his own personal benefit. Stewart didn't give any specific examples, he quickly backed away from blaming Traynor for leaking the Sabotage story, although it was clearly implied, and hid behind the expression "wider scheme of things", or words to that effect.

Journalists can't go around saying things like that about people, regardless of how odious they, and we, think they are.

Stewart's comments may or may not have been accurate, but the way he put them across was very badly judged, imo, and he's come out of it worse than Traynor.

I don't think it takes a great imagination to work out who is behind all the press manipulation a in nd leaked stories, as well as translator gate, but proving it is another matter.

I think you are right here. The impression I got was that he said this in anger and had he been more calculated and circumspect with his words then he could have made his points without overstepping the mark. I don’t know what was irking him but it was hinted that he had been coping a load of abuse on social media and he was clearly irked about the Morelos racism story.

This is unfortunate as he was pretty much bang on the mark imo and it was a point which needed to be made. Apart from those who don’t care or the more gullible and angry section of the Rangers support most were probably sympathetic to what he was saying.

My feeling is that Traynor wouldn’t have sued as whilst the majority of the MSM would have circled the wagons there was too big a risk of opening a can of worms with people like Speirs and others who he has pissed off breaking ranks. The BBC were always going to apologise in these circumstances.

[Cataplana]

If Traynor was to sue and go to court, the onus is on him to prove that Stewart slandered him.

Could be beer and popcorn time.


:stirrer:

I'm guessing that BBC lawyers know they would lose.

[green day]

I'm guessing that BBC lawyers know they would lose.

Perhaps, but I cant see them wanting court either.

Traynor and Sevco wouldnt want more dirty washing hung out regarding his character and the ridiculous statements he has put out on their behalf - including the lies after the cup final.

[Cataplana]

Perhaps, but I cant see them wanting court either.

Traynor and Sevco wouldnt want more dirty washing hung out regarding his character and the ridiculous statements he has put out on their behalf - including the lies after the cup final.

Very true, but the sensible thing to do is avoid spending money on a case you know you will lose. It would take a lot to prove that Traynor creates difficulties for SEVCO, so he can be paid to sort them out .

[JeMeSouviens]

The apology last night was irony central given they spent about the next 20 mins laying into the character of Leigh Griffiths without right of reply.

[Carheenlea]

A spineless bottle job from the BBC. Just made a fool of themselves.

[Gaffer1875]

Mikey Stewart, Best pundit in football and is always complimentary of us despite being a Jambo.


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[Hibbyradge]

I find your post quite staggering to be honest. At the risk of sounding condescending I’m sure you understood my point. Of course lawyers don’t decide what’s right or wrong, but they absolutely will know what could potentially lead to a court case. An apology wouldn’t have been made on the grounds of common decency it would be made on the advice of the legal team.

Let's say that in the wake of the Lennon saga, Stewart or maybe Sutton had made disparaging remarks about Leeann Dempster.

Let's say they said something along the lines that she was a self serving bully who would do anything to get her own way, that she was unpleasant to work for, and was more interested in sexual politics and lesbianism than running a senior Scottish football club.

I very much doubt if court action would arise as a result of insults like those (most of which have appeared in one form or another on this forum), but I would be expecting an apology from the broadcaster.

Otherwise it would suggest that the BBC or BT collectively held, and supported, the same views as the individual pundit.

Whether the apology arose because of common decency or not, it would be forthcoming.

As far as your point about the threat of legal action, I don't know if Traynor would die, but what was said about him was damaging to him. I'm certain his lawyers would have been on the phone demanding an apology and threatening litigation.

The apology was predictably forthcoming.

[Hibbyradge]

Crikey, I think it was a joke, HR.

Well, he double downed on it later.

[Hibbyradge]

Here are a few apologies not driven by the fear of legal action. This is what I meant by "common decency".

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/bbc-issue-apology-over-unfair-remarks-about-hearts-austin-macphee-1-5047663

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-50658750

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51259479

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7672555/BBC-apology-breakfast-uses-Remembrance-footage-Boris-Johnson-wrong-YEAR.html

[Carheenlea]

There are many occasions that public apologies are necessary. Frank opinions from football pundits isn’t really one of them. Some perspective required.

[KingPat4]

In defamation cases the onus is on the pursuer to prove that what was said about them is untrue. Now, Traynor may well win such an action, but as someone said, I don't think him or Rangers would want a laundry load of heavily soiled washing aired in public.

This one will quietly fade away through lack of oxygen, however Michael Stewart should watch his back. He may live here in Edinburgh, but there are Hun bams everywhere.


I did not think it possible to dislike Rangers even more, but they always come up with something.


:coffee:

[Hibbyradge]

In defamation cases the onus is on the pursuer to prove that what was said about them is untrue. Now, Traynor may well win such an action, but as someone said, I don't think him or Rangers would want a laundry load of heavily soiled washing aired in public.

This one will quietly fade away through lack of oxygen, however Michael Stewart should watch his back. He may live here in Edinburgh, but there are Hun bams everywhere.


I did not think it possible to dislike Rangers even more, but they always come up with something.


:coffee:

I agree with all of that.

I would add though, that the BBC would have been stupid to take the risk of litigation by refusing to apologise.

While that might have pleased those who dislike Traynor, all it really would have done is drag it out for literally years which would have been in no-one's interest.

Other viewpoints are available.

[Smartie]

Mikey Stewart, Best pundit in football and is always complimentary of us despite being a Jambo.


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He isn’t always complimentary about us - he’s often critical. Rarely though is he unreasonably critical, his criticism is constructive and thought out.

You need to be able to take criticism, which is why Rangers fans have such a problem with Stewart, as they cannot take criticism.

[Hibernian Verse]

Funny how Rangers drop 5 points in a week and suddenly everyone is talking about anything but the football

[Hibbyradge]

Funny how Rangers drop 5 points in a week and suddenly everyone is talking about anything but the football

Are you suggesting Michael Stewart is complicit in an Ibrox deflection strategy? :hmmm:

[Hibernian Verse]

Are you suggesting Michael Stewart is complicit in an Ibrox deflection strategy? :hmmm:Haha, that would be some impressive undercover work.

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[hibsbollah]

I demand a statement.

[JeMeSouviens]

I demand a statement.

... any particular language? :wink:

[silverhibee]

I demand a statement.


Big Jim the bully will be preparing one for after tonight's game on how the nasty spoon burners abused Florian "The Rat" Kamberi and turned the air blue with with poisonous abuse towards The Rangers striker for 90 minutes, everyone else listening in will hear Bobby Sands is deid and they they are up to there knees in fenian blood, this will be dismissed and we will be told that the good loyal Rangers fans were drowning out the nasty spoon burners and showing support to the men in blue on and off the park.


No Surrender.

[Hibbyradge]

Haha, that would be some impressive undercover work.

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Better call Saul ...

[Lago]

I wonder how many Journalists or players or even ex players will come out and support Stewart?
Very few if any. Let's be honest we have folk on here defending Traynor. As an aside I wonder if it was him that told Steve G to defend Kamberi as he only spoke from his heart ��

[KingPat4]

Very few if any. Let's be honest we have folk on here defending Traynor. As an aside I wonder if it was him that told Steve G to defend Kamberi as he only spoke from his heart ��

I don't think anyone on here is defending Traynor.

I think the hard unpalatable truth is that BBC Scotland

really had to apologise on the advice of their lawyers.


At first I thought Hibbyradge was merely playing devils advocate. But he's right.

[Cataplana]

Very few if any. Let's be honest we have folk on here defending Traynor. As an aside I wonder if it was him that told Steve G to defend Kamberi as he only spoke from his heart ��

:rolleyes:

I have not seen anybody defend Traynor. A few people have pointed out how the law of defamation works. That's not the same as saying Traynor has acted properly, or decently.

[hibsbollah]

I think the hard unpalatable truth is that BBC Scotland

really had to apologise on the advice of their lawyers.




I think it's more likely the BBC simply lost its nerve against an organisation with more intimidatory muscle than they do.

[KingPat4]

I think it's more likely the BBC simply lost its nerve against an organisation with more intimidatory muscle than they do.

Agreed. But expect they have in house lawyer/s who crapped themselves.

[Carheenlea]

Is last nights show being kept off the podcast/listen again platforms? Sportsound went to the top of my updated podcasts this morning, but didn’t appear to be any new content?

[hibsbollah]

Is last nights show being kept off the podcast/listen again platforms? Sportsound went to the top of my updated podcasts this morning, but didn’t appear to be any new content?

It made the Pyongyang Times sports podcast, along with the headline 'BBC in self censorship that would shame Stalinist Dictatorships'.

[Stonewall]

I wonder how many Journalists or players or even ex players will come out and support Stewart?

One or two I would suggest. The enmity between Speirs and Traynor goes back a long way to when Speirs was working for Scotland on Sunday. I remember in the sports diary section he was continually climbing into Traynor for his bad spelling, grammar and lack of comprehension. Traynor hated it and would try to respond in his DR column and Speirs would then slag that off. Was very funny.

Musy be 25-30 years ago at least.

[Carheenlea]

It made the Pyongyang Times sports podcast, along with the headline 'BBC in self censorship that would shame Stalinist Dictatorships'.

:hilarious

[JimBHibees]

There is absolutely no way that when any The Rangers player is interviewed by any media outlet that their own media team aren't aware and have oversight of anything going to press. If it took place at Murray Park / Ibrox they'd have been present throughout it too, perhaps even given Sky a brief beforehand (or asked them what questions were being asked).

Absolutely right they will have known how it was going to be presented especially the translated text.

[Sir David Gray]

Is last nights show being kept off the podcast/listen again platforms? Sportsound went to the top of my updated podcasts this morning, but didn’t appear to be any new content?

Yes Monday's episode's not been made available as a podcast.

[Rumble de Thump]

You can't damage someone's reputation when they've spent their entire career destroying it for themself. Traynor is a deeply disrespected person and he has earned that.

[Scott Allan Key]

CELTIC Football Club has today asked Sky Sports to conduct an investigation into an interview broadcast yesterday, which accused Celtic supporters of racist behaviour.

Translations provided to Celtic Football Club have shown inconsistencies between the words spoken during the interview broadcast and the subtitles used by Sky Sports.

In particular, and most concerning, while the broadcaster used the following subtitle on screen: "Afterwards it was very frustrating to hear the crowd screaming at me. They were saying offensive and racist words.”

Mr Morelos does not use these words anywhere within the extended interview which has been broadcast across Sky’s platforms.

Celtic FC has asked Sky Sports to clarify their position on this matter.

Celtic, a club open to all since its inception, abhors racism. Our consistent stance is that wherever racism exists it should be tackled head on. Celtic will always investigate any report of racist behaviour and take appropriate action. This is a standard which all clubs should meet.

Celtic needs no encouragement to pursue racism, particularly as players and management at the club have suffered abuse persistently over the years. The seriousness of such cases has been confirmed with the prosecution and criminal convictions of some of the perpetrators.

Celtic is proud of the wonderful reputation earned by its supporters over many years in many countries and at home. The club owes it to them to act in a responsible, dignified and professional manner and to treat racism with the seriousness it deserves.Well, a friend of mine went to a friendly for Celtic v Leicester at Filbert St. He was with a bus load of Celtic 'best fans in the world', he's a great guy, and was angered and disappointed to witness his fellow fans rain torrents of a racial abuse and gestures at people of South Asian origin.

I don't believe that Celtic fans haven't given terrible racial abuse against Morelos in one shape or form.

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[Keith_M]

A spineless bottle job from the BBC. Just made a fool of themselves.


:agree:


Giving in to yet more bullying by that hideous, sectarian institution.

[Lago]

I think it's more likely the BBC simply lost its nerve against an organisation with more intimidatory muscle than they do.
Correct, they have routinely failed to expose the 2 O F clubs, particularly rangers for their failings & I don't believe it will ever change, the whole BBC Scotland sport is like a close shop club, it's all you scratch my back & I'll scratch yours.

[Cataplana]

It seems the Evening Times (as was) is tugging their forelock, as well.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18211969.bbc-scotland-apologises-pundit-michael-stewarts-rangers-rant/



"Last week somebody leaked a story about tampering with brakes, completely unfounded and what does it do? I get messages saying I'm complicit in attempted murder along with other people. Utter garbage. And that is what I find extremely disappointing, because somebody [is] stoking fires for their own personal gain.”

He went on to make accusations about Mr Traynor.

Mr McIntyre immediately interrupted him saying: "No, he's not here to defend himself, Michael. That's not our view. He will feel he is representing the club."

But Mr Stewart would not stop, and went on make further allegations.

Significant that they won't repeat the accusations, probably because they were defamatory. Also, in defence of McIntyre, he tried to warn Michael that he was crossing the line, on the show.

All of this points to a policy of not accusing someone of being a crook, on air, without allowing them the right to reply.

Personally, I might think the man is a crook, a shyster, a greasy get, and an all round self obsessed arslikhar, but I would never say that's what he is.

[Danderhall Hibs]

It seems the Evening Times (as was) is tugging their forelock, as well.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18211969.bbc-scotland-apologises-pundit-michael-stewarts-rangers-rant/



Significant that they won't repeat the accusations, probably because they were defamatory. Also, in defence of McIntyre, he tried to warn Michael that he was crossing the line, on the show.

All of this points to a policy of not accusing someone of being a crook, on air, without allowing them the right to reply.

Personally, I might think the man is a crook, a shyster, a greasy get, and an all round self obsessed arslikhar, but I would never say that's what he is.




I take it the complaint is about Stewart saying he causes issues so he can resolve them (and get paid for it)?

[Cataplana]

I take it the complaint is about Stewart saying he causes issues so he can resolve them (and get paid for it)?

That would be my guess.

[Hibbyradge]

Very few if any. Let's be honest we have folk on here defending Traynor. As an aside I wonder if it was him that told Steve G to defend Kamberi as he only spoke from his heart ��

Who is defending Traynor?

Burn the witch.

[Hibbyradge]

It seems the Evening Times (as was) is tugging their forelock, as well.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18211969.bbc-scotland-apologises-pundit-michael-stewarts-rangers-rant/



Significant that they won't repeat the accusations, probably because they were defamatory. Also, in defence of McIntyre, he tried to warn Michael that he was crossing the line, on the show.

All of this points to a policy of not accusing someone of being a crook, on air, without allowing them the right to reply.

Personally, I might think the man is a crook, a shyster, a greasy get, and an all round self obsessed arslikhar, but I would never say that's what he is.




McIntyre isn't that bad. :wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

Can anyone honestly imagine the BBC apologising for these comments, if it was not one of the bigots. This just shows how ingrained these ****bags are in the media and society as a whole.

Their claws are into everything to their advantage, and woe betide it if you cross them.

We need more folk like Stewart. :top marks

[Cataplana]

McIntyre isn't that bad. :wink:

Working with Michael must be like working with Alan Partridge.

[Hibbyradge]

Can anyone honestly imagine the BBC apologising for these comments, if it was not one of the bigots. This just shows how ingrained these ****bags are in the media and society as a whole.

Their claws are into everything to their advantage, and woe betide it if you cross them.

We need more folk like Stewart. :top marks

Every chance, G.

They apologised to McPhee at Hearts when they really didn't need to. I posted the link above.

I like Stewart although I never used to.

His comments may well be right, but he doesn't speak for the BBC so an apology was a certainty.

[greenlex]

BBC are missing a trick. Sport sound Special. Traynors RightTo Reply. Traynor and Stewart in the studio Chewing the Considerable fat. There would be a very big audience.

[Keith_M]

Michael Stewart Dropped from BBC Radio Scotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18213902.michael-stewart-dropped-bbc-commentary-jim-traynor-comments/)

[Sammy7nil]

Michael Stewart Dropped from BBC Radio Scotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18213902.michael-stewart-dropped-bbc-commentary-jim-traynor-comments/)

Dear oh dear.
I hope that is wrong and M S chose BT over radio we will find out tomorrow.

[Crab apple]

Michael Stewart Dropped from BBC Radio Scotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18213902.michael-stewart-dropped-bbc-commentary-jim-traynor-comments/)

That’s really disappointing. Der Hun have previous for applying pressure on media outlets. Graham Spiers was forced to resign from the Herald after writing a critical article about them.

[Lago]

So M. S. dropped, supposedly, as I said an old boys closed shop & the BBC scared they are going to get black balled, Traynor will be putting another notch on his six gun 😝

[Radium]

... but is at Motherwell with BT covering the game.

The Herald article reports a Sun story and is surrounded by tons of adds. Call me cynical but will wait to see what happens over the next couple of weeks before jumping in. BBC may be happy to stand back and let SKY respond to Celtic as most level headed onlookers can see the manipulation and are smelling [emoji90]


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[HibbySpurs]

The only pundit worth listening to is punted by the BBC because he dared to question the establishment... What a joke.

What makes it worse is the BBC are banned from Ibrox anyway but rather than rip into them at any (never mind every) opportunity they’d rathe sook up The Rangers arse trying to worm their way back in..,.

Laughable

[Jim44]

Stewart may have been dropped, and the BBC has apologised but, importantly, it doesn’t mean that Stewart’s comments were unfounded or incorrect.

[The Count]

We cannot have a club controlling the narative of the free press any longer.It has happened for years in Scotland.The press/pundits should be free to report and not be gagged.Even if Michael Stewart criticised Hibs every week i would defend his right to voice his opinion.The establishment has controlled Scottish football for too long and its time for it to stop.Michael Stewart hopefully will be back on the BBC or we have a real problem in the Scottish media.

[Sammy7nil]

We cannot have a club controlling the narative of the free press any longer.It has happened for years in Scotland.The press/pundits should be free to report and not be gagged.Even if Michael Stewart criticised Hibs every week i would defend his right to voice his opinion.The establishment has controlled Scottish football for too long and its time for it to stop.Michael Stewart hopefully will be back on the BBC or we have a real problem in the Scottish media.

TBF that is not what happened Stewart made claims he did not back up with facts you just can't do that on a public broadcast radio.

[Sir David Gray]

The only pundit worth listening to is punted by the BBC because he dared to question the establishment... What a joke.

What makes it worse is the BBC are banned from Ibrox anyway but rather than rip into them at any (never mind every) opportunity they’d rathe sook up The Rangers arse trying to worm their way back in..,.

Laughable

The BBC isn't banned from Ibrox, the huns banned one of their reporters and the BBC decided they wouldn't send anyone to Ibrox unless the ban against the reporter was lifted, which it hasn't been.

[JJP]

Jim Traynor is allowed to spread malicious lies through the Scottish media but give him a bit back and you get shut down. What a disgrace.

[Hibbyradge]

Jim Traynor is allowed to spread malicious lies through the Scottish media but give him a bit back and you get shut down. What a disgrace.

Has he spread malicious lies about named individuals?

[Wheat Hound]

Has he spread malicious lies about named individuals?

Malicious lies about a collective ie re our support post 21/5/16 are not the mark of a decent man and are the work of a manipulative, immoral one.

[ehf]

Has he spread malicious lies about named individuals?

Why do you keep standing up for the odious prick?

[FilipinoHibs]

Malicious lies about a collective ie re our support post 21/5/16 are not the mark of a decent man and are the work of a manipulative, immoral one.

Agree and now trying to smear Celtic as racist.

[Carheenlea]

Has he spread malicious lies about named individuals?

The obnoxious welt spread malicious lies about every one of us collectively in 2016. The BBC, like Traynor, spread lies about us in the immediate aftermath of that final (Stuart Cosgrove excepted). Didn’t see any apologies being given out, and everyone at the BBC and Traynor remained in work and carried on as normal. Stewart tells a 100% truth and makes a 100% factual observation and is sanctioned - Hooray for the Beeb :applause:

[BILLYHIBS]

Michael Stewart on duty for BT Sport last night Motherwell v Celtic

Quieter than usual but still managing to get his point across

Gordon Strachan was entertaining

[Betty Boop]

Stewart may have been dropped, and the BBC has apologised but, importantly, it doesn’t mean that Stewart’s comments were unfounded or incorrect.
Well his comments about the Daily Record must have been incorrect, as he apologised.

[number9dream]

If he’s not on Sportscene this evening, then he’s definitely been dropped, whether it’s a brief knuckle wrapping or longer term also remains to be seen.
If he’d been a bit calmer on air, he could have made the very valid points about the way stories are spoon fed to the media and distraction tactics involved without naming JT explicitly.

[Cataplana]

Stewart may have been dropped, and the BBC has apologised but, importantly, it doesn’t mean that Stewart’s comments were unfounded or incorrect.

There is what we know, and what we can prove.

[hibeerealist]

Here you go;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint

My complaint is in, the BBC are out of order an apology is sufficient (to JT) which was issued by them. No need for further action although I feel the greasy hands of JT and his cronies will certainly be pushing the boat out for MS Suspension.

Snakes!!

[Hibbyradge]

Why do you keep standing up for the odious prick?

I'm not standing up for anyone.

[Hibbyradge]

Malicious lies about a collective ie re our support post 21/5/16 are not the mark of a decent man and are the work of a manipulative, immoral one.

I agree.

[Carheenlea]

On the show in question, host Kenny McIntyre pulled Michael Stewart up instantly after making his comments on James Traynor making the point that he felt it unfair for him to do so as Traynor wasn’t there to defend himself.
BBC are surely covered by their host, and employee, chairing the show in what they would deem an acceptable manner. Surely that should have been the end of it, but we now have a total over reaction to what was simply a frank exchange of views on a football themed discussion broadcast.

We do love a drama in Scotland.

[Spike Mandela]

Celtic statement on translatagate

http://www.celticfc.net/news/17507

There truly are sinister forces at work in Scottish football.

[Hibbyradge]

Did no-one record the interview?

[Onion]

Celtic statement on translatagate

http://www.celticfc.net/news/17507

There truly are sinister forces at work in Scottish football.

Celtic are absolutely right to escalate the issue. Whole thing reeks.

[Jim44]

I think the BBC’s action against MS is the first stage in a campaign for a ‘kiss and make up’ gesture to Rangers. Deep down, they are distraught that they had to take the action, in support of their employee, in the first place, but have put themselves in a position where they have no grounds for backing off unless McLaughlin does something to warrant the BBC’s dismissal of him. In the meantime they will hope that issues, such as the Michael Stewart outburst, will help facilitate a happy reunion. I’ll be surprised if they are not bedfellows with Rangers by the start of next season.

[Jim44]

The BBC Scotland channel is to broadcast the full story and analysis of the Morelos ‘scandal’ tonight at 9.30 pm.

[Hibbyradge]

The BBC Scotland channel is to broadcast the full cover-up and analysis of the Morelos ‘scandal’ tonight at 9.30 pm.

Ftfy

[overdrive]

No sign of him on Sportscene tonight

[Jim44]

The BBC Scotland channel is to broadcast the full story and analysis of the Morelos ‘scandal’ tonight at 9.30 pm.


Ftfy

:agree: It’ll be interesting to see their take on this issue. My bet is that they will try to paint Rangers as the innocent party, and, in doing so, help build bridges for a big reunion.

[Frazerbob]

The BBC Scotland channel is to broadcast the full story and analysis of the Morelos ‘scandal’ tonight at 9.30 pm.

Not according to my Sky guide.....or am I having a whoosh moment?

[Smartie]

:agree: It’ll be interesting to see their take on this issue. My bet is that they will try to paint Rangers as the innocent party, and, in doing so, help build bridges for a big reunion.

I don’t disagree, but they need to be careful. If they choose to behave in a particular way towards one club, they risk antagonising the fans of all the others - including Celtic, who are a reasonably powerful lot themselves.

[HibbySpurs]

The BBC isn't banned from Ibrox, the huns banned one of their reporters and the BBC decided they wouldn't send anyone to Ibrox unless the ban against the reporter was lifted, which it hasn't been.


I stand corrected 👍

[Sir David Gray]

No sign of him on Sportscene tonight

I can't see Michael Stewart appearing on the BBC again anytime soon.

[Lago]

I can't see Michael Stewart appearing on the BBC again anytime soon.
Shame he's probably the only reason I watch it

[Jim44]

The BBC Scotland channel is to broadcast the full story and analysis of the Morelos ‘scandal’ tonight at 9.30 pm.

That should be 9pm.

[Jim44]

That should be 9pm.

.... but don’t hold your breath. Full story and analysis it was not. It was a brief outline of the Sky interview and ensuing Celtic upset.

[percy veer]

Michael Stewart dropped, Then Kenny miller retires..:cb

[007]

Leslie Deans coming up on Sportsound, tweet question to:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCSportsound?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Ese rp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Hibeesforever]

This is comedy gold...legal route..accept it, you are relegated Hearts!

[Fuzzywuzzy]

This is comedy gold...legal route..accept it, you are relegated Hearts!

Get your facts straight. They were ejected don't you know?

[speedy_gonzales]

Leslie Deans coming up on Sportsound, tweet question to:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCSportsound?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Ese rp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Opening gambit, "the 3rd biggest club out of 42 is taking the financial fallout".
He also said he'd comment only on Hearts but immediately tasks about Stranraer,Partick Thistle & Rangers 🤣
The guy's a clown!

[DarlingtonHibee]

Leslie Deans coming up on Sportsound, tweet question to:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCSportsound?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Ese rp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

On now, same old, same old...

Civil action, bring it on, cost them a fortune

[Moulin Yarns]

This is comedy gold...legal route..accept it, you are relegated Hearts!

Or ejected from the league 🤔🙄 according to the legal genius that is Leslie Deans.

[skankomcphee]

Hope the rest of the clubs are having a good laugh at Deans suggesting Hearts would somehow have a legal avenue against the clubs that have voted against their interests. Pretty irresponsible nonsense tbh.

[Coco Bryce]

What a slavering auld fool Dean's is.

Comedy gold 😂😂

[DarlingtonHibee]

On now, same old, same old...

Civil action, bring it on, cost them a fortune

He's making a right twat of himself....


Wants £3.5 damages, and a ban on Scottish football.

[MartinfaePorty]

Why is this old duffer given airtime?

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[The Count]

What a bitter fud Leslie Deans sounds.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Deans : we lost out of a semi final against a team we habitually beat

[speedy_gonzales]

Bemoaning the loss of income from outstanding league games and playing in the Scottish Cup to a team they "habitually defeat",,,, this Duncan can't even mention our name!

Slavering *****

(Swear filter objects to my anatomically correct wording for the male appendage)

[Coco Bryce]

No other country in Europe has done this...

Well except France 😂😂

[Baader]

Deans is a slavering idiot of a human being.

[Ryan91]

#naturaljustice folks

Deans is a welt

[tamig]

Deans is a slavering clown. Generous of him to offer to set the crowd funding rolling with a four figure sum. 😂

[Baader]

Deans is a slavering clown. Generous of him to offer to set the crowd funding rolling with a four figure sum. ��

Aye it'll be £10.01. Clean cash. Why are they giving airtime to this non-entity?

[DarlingtonHibee]

Deans is a slavering idiot of a human being.

Time for his medication 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[truehibernian]

Leslie Deans spouting a common law approach to their claim :faf: deary me Leslie, you've been on the Trump bleach remedy programme :faf:

Thank god I have never had to use him for legal advice on anything..............stick to property law and conveyancing Leslie :aok: you clearly know nothing about any civil claims :faf::faf:

Hearts have not got a leg to stand on in law :aok: but stick your four figure fee into your crowd funding page :greengrin half a million in legal costs :faf: would be about 5 times that after adjournments, expert opinions and appeals. But crack on son :aok:

[vuefrom1875]

Aye it'll be £10.01. Clean cash.

He's also asking the Starship federation of a tramps to dig deep again to fund legal expenses 🤣🤣🤣

[truehibernian]

He's making a right twat of himself....


Wants £3.5 damages, and a ban on Scottish football.

And an injunction to stop Scottish football :faf: despite Hearts current owner wanting to introduce proposals for the good of Scottish football :faf: stopping it would do that right enough Leslie :aok:

I hope this is replayed over and over again.........this is radio gold :aok:

[cabbageandribs1875]

i do hope this slavering auld goat encourages scottish footballs business woman of the decade to take legal action


so, who will BBC heartz wheel out next

[DarlingtonHibee]

Solidarity payments from all the other clubs to hearts 🙄🙄🙄

[stoneyburn hibs]

Leslie Deane reckons that every club has a duty of care to other clubs.
I doubt he had the same train of thought when Hearts were financially doped.
**** them, bye bye Hearts.

[Box 17]

Even Budge must be cringing listening to that old slaver Deans.

[Hibeesforever]

Think Budge has shown she has no clue allowing Deans to come on in her place this afternoon. Her poor leadership laid bare.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

That was a right giggle! This just gets better and better.

[Green_one]

I think it is getting near the time we start complaining officially to the BBC

This lack of balance, facts and sensible comments is damaging to the Scottish game. It is about time the powers that be realise it is also damaging the BBC. Frankly I would not care less if the Tories went along with their threats on the BBC as it seems to have lost its way and has had its day.

Giving an old fool like Deans and the muppet English the opportunity to air their views without comment or balance is unforgivable.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Leslie Deane reckons that every club has a duty of care to other clubs.
I doubt he had the same train of thought when Hearts were financially doped.
**** them, bye bye Hearts.


Where was the duty of care to the poor Lithuanian pensioners?

[Billy Whizz]

I certainly won’t be using Deans Properties, even if he’s not involved now
They aren’t getting the green pound from me😄

[660]

Where can I listen to these jambo tears from the start

[truehibernian]

Where was the duty of care to the poor Lithuanian pensioners?

The same Leslie Deans who ran Hearts into huge debt with Robinson and then bailed on them when Robinson sold a stake of Hearts to SMG :aok:

[007]

Where can I listen to these jambo tears from the start

Here's the link, you can wind it back to anywhere from the start of the show onwards.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_scotland_mw

He's taking a bit of a pounding on Twitter and rightly so. Wheeling guys like this out do them more harm than good. They're deluded if they don't realise that.

https://twitter.com/BBCSportsound/status/1259117898355953667?s=19

[stoneyburn hibs]

Where can I listen to these jambo tears from the start

If you have BBC sounds then you can restart the programme.

[coldingham hibs]

I wonder if the Rangers have been giving backhanders to Tom English. He is desperately trying to get any guest to say they were coerced or bullied. Sad sad man.

[truehibernian]

Just has texts from Hearts friends saying Leslie 'played a blinder' :faf: jeez you're meant to wash your hands for 20 seconds in disinfectant, not drink it in 20 seconds lads :faf: it was comedy gold today, fair brightened up my day :aok:

[Since90+2]

#naturaljustice

[007]

Just has texts from Hearts friends saying Leslie 'played a blinder' :faf: jeez you're meant to wash your hands for 20 seconds in disinfectant, not drink it in 20 seconds lads :faf: it was comedy gold today, fair brightened up my day :aok:

😂 Like I said above. Deluded.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Just has texts from Hearts friends saying Leslie 'played a blinder' :faf: jeez you're meant to wash your hands for 20 seconds in disinfectant, not drink it in 20 seconds lads :faf: it was comedy gold today, fair brightened up my day :aok:

Ffs, hopefully Budge takes legal action.
That would be proper comedy gold.

[Barney McGrew]

The Hamilton chairman comes across very well. He’s answered everything very honestly despite being badgered by English and Co.

[truehibernian]

Ffs, hopefully Budge takes legal action.
That would be proper comedy gold.

If they do they'll need to learn and brush up on their understanding of delict beforehand :aok::greengrin their case wouldn't stand a chance :aok:

[chasitup]

The Hamilton chairman is speaking sense in that reconstruction wasn’t mentioned until Covid 19, and rushing it through is the wrong thing to do. I completely agree with him.

[Treadstone]

Billy Dodds making Pat Bonner look like a lawyer.

[Treadstone]

The Hamilton chairman comes across very well. He’s answered everything very honestly despite being badgered by English and Co.

Desperate stuff from English.

[NASAHIBS]

The Hamilton chairman comes across very well. He’s answered everything very honestly despite being badgered by English and Co.

Agree, he has come across very well, and English is blatantly trying to put words in his mouth.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the hamilton gadgy should be used as an example of exactly why other clubs wont want to go on sportsound to give some balance, it doesn't what they say that utter fudbaw tom english and michael stewart just wont accept balance


is this what the sportsound producer really wants, no balance

[SquashedFrogg]

Billy Dodds making Pat Bonner look like a lawyer.

This 100%

[Billy Whizz]

Billy Dodds making Pat Bonner look like a lawyer.

Billy Dodds is a tool

[Barney McGrew]

Agree, he has come across very well, and English is blatantly trying to put words in his mouth.

He’s been pretty clear that this season is finished, next season will not start until at least August and it’s likely to be 2021 before crowds will be back.

[Fratelli]

Billy Dodds is an absolute clown and so far out of his depth in this discussion...he’s just asked again if reconstruction could be looked at...less than 24 hours after its just been kicked into touch...he then says ‘but Clubs could change their mind!’ I’m sure it was Michael Stewart then said ‘what?’ with incredulity...

[Billy Whizz]

He’s been pretty clear that this season is finished, next season will not start until at least August and it’s likely to be 2021 before crowds will be back.

He’s a straight talker, no rubbish from him

[hibeerealist]

I think it is getting near the time we start complaining officially to the BBC

This lack of balance, facts and sensible comments is damaging to the Scottish game. It is about time the powers that be realise it is also damaging the BBC. Frankly I would not care less if the Tories went along with their threats on the BBC as it seems to have lost its way and has had its day.

Giving an old fool like Deans and the muppet English the opportunity to air their views without comment or balance is unforgivable.

Just about to post same THIS IS SO ONE SIDED, National Broadcaster my A RS E where is the balanced argument in this???

***** joke

[HFC93]

Willie Miller is the only one talking a bit of sense, which tells you how bad it is.

[Tug Wilson]

Just about to post same THIS IS SO ONE SIDED, National Broadcaster my A RS E where is the balanced argument in this???

***** joke

To be fair, the programme is just a vehicle for clubs who are disadvantaged, or mad old duffers like Leslie Deans, to vent on.

[hibbyfraelibby]

What a load of slavering mince from the state propaganda channel, sorry BBC.

The only thing they cleared up in my mind is thst Leslie "the lauderer" Deans is both slaver and KiwiDug.

[Brightside]

I dont have an issue with them giving time to Deans etc. Hearts are the big story right now so it makes sense to bring on someone like him. He came across like a crazy man whose passion has got in the way of common sense. Claiming he could sue all the times is so stupid it hurts. They guy has lost the plot.

Tam English is very quiet... cant imagine why. Stewart as usual is pointing out facts even if they go against Hearts. Billy is thick so ignored. Willie is thick so ignored. Paddy cannae even get his phone to work.

[Barney McGrew]

The Stranraer chairman is very impressive too.

The contrast between him and the Hamilton chairman and that slaver Deans is hilarious.

[Geo_1875]

When I first turned it on Dean's was in mid-rant and I kept expecting someone to cut in an out him out of his misery. It was like listening to a Ronnie Corbett monologue but funnier. His assertion that Sevco and Partick have QC opinions that they have a winnable case is wonderful. How many QCs will have they asked before getting the right answer? I liked Michael Stewart's question about who will they sue. It's a member organisation so basically they are suing themselves for making rules they don't agree with.

[greenpaper55]

If the season was to be restarted by some miracle then Hearts would still have twenty odd first team players still in contract, contrast that with the likes of Hamilton who would have about five ! Would Hearts just say that is just tough luck on them ?

[Barney McGrew]

English is desperate for one the guests to say they were pressured into a decision by the SPFL.

[Tug Wilson]

English is desperate for one the guests to say they were pressured into a decision by the SPFL.

He needs evidence to back up his "SPFL is a bully narrative"

[SouthMoroccoStu]

If the season was to be restarted by some miracle then Hearts would still have twenty odd first team players still in contract, contrast that with the likes of Hamilton who would have about five ! Would Hearts just say that is just tough luck on them ?

No chance

Hearts look after number 1 - hearts

Like all clubs tbf

But the rest, minus sevco, don’t run to the media to push their selfish agenda

[Aldo]

It’s times like this I’m glad and proud to be a supporter of Hibernian Football Club!


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[hibbyfraelibby]

That Brora guy and the Lowland League guy need to wind it in a bit. Brora were, like Celtic, out of sight but declared champions with full agreement of their fellow teams. They do not however automatically qualify for promotion.

The Lowland League however is a bombsite with Bonnyrigg Rose rightly upset and furious. If Kelty were to go up I am sure they'd challenge the LLs decision to put Kelty forward into the play off.

[IvanSproule]

The voice of justice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-24297069

[Waxy]

Leslie Deane reckons that every club has a duty of care to other clubs.
I doubt he had the same train of thought when Hearts were financially doped.
**** them, bye bye Hearts.

Cool when a team gets relegated we should all not let them get relegated.
We’ll all end up with one division of 42 teams.
Or is it teams can get relegated but if its hearts then thats not fair at all?
Brutal, this programme is just an advertising platform for hearts and we pay for it. Thats more a disgrace than anything.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Deans was embarrassing, English was trying to put words into everyone’s mouth and Dodds, Bonner and Miller should all be emptied.

Stewart was sitting in the Edinburgh studio audibly saying “how” and “why” to the ridiculous points being made by Dodds and Miller.

To be fair to them though - no one from the other side of the argument we’re willing to come on the show and state their case so it was always going to be difficult to make it balanced.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Cool when a team gets relegated we should all not let them get relegated.
We’ll all end up with one division of 42 teams.
Or is it teams can get relegated but if its hearts then thats not fair at all?
Brutal, this programme is just an advertising platform for hearts and we pay for it. Thats more a disgrace than anything.

I'm actually enjoying all the talk around Hearts, their desperation is a fantastic listen.
I object more to Tom English continously spouting pish, and making out he's a font of knowledge.

[G B Young]

What an auld slaver Deans is.

Talking of auld slavers, did nobody think to get auld pishy breeks on the show too? Or has he already had his say?

Edit: I see Foulkes has 'insisted' that the season should be declared null and void.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5576419/hearts-foulkes-premiership-null-void/

[Waxy]

What an auld slaver Deans is.

Talking of auld slavers, did nobody think to get auld pishy breeks on the show too? Or has he already had his say?

Edit: I see Foulkes has 'insisted' that the season should be declared null and void.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5576419/hearts-foulkes-premiership-null-void/
This is a major tantrum.

[Kato]

This is a major tantrum.Just listening to the playback now. Between the waffle and the transparent willful ignorance all I can hear is pathetic attempts to stir up controversy, therefore gain listeners. There are no games so these chumps have to create a story.

The talk of "total chaos", "anarchy" and "factions" are just made up.


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[Jim44]

Guess the slaver - “I was talking to someone the other day who said that ........ “. ........... The ‘someone’s’ name is never divulged but because it comes from another ( imagined/invented ) voice it has ‘gravitas’ and must be believed ....... no prizes for the right answer so don’t bother replying. :rolleyes:

[JimBHibees]

The more you think about it I am now assuming they are in deep trouble financially given their behaviour. The contrast with Partick thistle is absolutely night and day.

[murray26]

It’s times like this I’m glad and proud to be a supporter of Hibernian Football Club!


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[delbert]

The more you think about it I am now assuming they are in deep trouble financially given their behaviour. The contrast with Partick thistle is absolutely night and day.

Possibly because Partick Thistle have someone in charge as their CEO who is a football man through and through as well as being a genuinely astute guy, Gerry Britton.

[Onion]

What an auld slaver Deans is.

Talking of auld slavers, did nobody think to get auld pishy breeks on the show too? Or has he already had his say?

Edit: I see Foulkes has 'insisted' that the season should be declared null and void.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5576419/hearts-foulkes-premiership-null-void/

SPFL need to call the Prem league asap if nothing else to shut up all these loudmouth Jambos. Would love to see Hearts sue the SPFL :greengrin

[Brightside]

Its going to be called end of end of next week. But obv leslie deans will stop that via his court case.

[Waxy]

Surely threats of court action is bullying?

[Onion]

The more you think about it I am now assuming they are in deep trouble financially given their behaviour. The contrast with Partick thistle is absolutely night and day.

:agree: Think they're is serious trouble, despite all the £Ms pumped into them by fans and Benny. Once the true position comes out, the fans are going to turn on Budge in a big way. She's ****ed the whole thing up, wasting money and appointing a dud manager.

[Billy Whizz]

:agree: Think they're is serious trouble, despite all the £Ms pumped into them by fans and Benny. Once the true position comes out, the fans are going to turn on Budge in a big way. She's ****ed the whole thing up, wasting money and appointing a dud manager.

Dud Managers

[erin go bragh]

What a load of slavering mince from the 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿state propaganda channel, sorry BBC.

The only thing they cleared up in my mind is thst Leslie "the lauderer" Deans is both slaver and KiwiDug.
And that’s the reason I’ve never purchased a tv licence since 2014 . 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[Billy Whizz]

Dud Managers

Cathro
Levein
Stendal

[Danderhall Hibs]

The more you think about it I am now assuming they are in deep trouble financially given their behaviour. The contrast with Partick thistle is absolutely night and day.

Partick have come out slating the SPFL today - including releasing a letter they sent to them in which they said they’d keep it confidential.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Cathro
Levein
Stendal

Levein
Nelson
Levein
Cathro
Levien
Stendal
Levein
Levein
Levein
Levein
Repeat until the end of time

[B.H.F.C]

Partick have come out slating the SPFL today - including releasing a letter they sent to them in which they said they’d keep it confidential.

Did have a laugh at that. We’re keeping this confidential. Until we don’t get what we want. In which case, it’s no confidential.

[Ozyhibby]

I actually thought most of them backed off a bit today, including English and Stewart.
One thing that annoyed me and has done the last couple of weeks is their refusal to understand Doncaster when he said that positions had been paid out to 12th and 6th. It’s not that difficult to understand and they have had all week to work it out if they were having trouble.
Each team has been paid out to either 6th or 12th depending on what the worst you could find yourself. So Celtic, Rangers and Motherwell have all been paid out to 6th because there is no way they could fall below that position. Everyone else has been paid out to 12th. The team that finishes 12th now will get a very small final payment. It’s pretty easy to understand and I can’t understand why they would not have went away and worked it out. Spending two weeks confused by this makes them look very unprofessional.


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[Scott Allan Key]

i do hope this slavering auld goat encourages scottish footballs business woman of the decade to take legal action


so, who will BBC heartz wheel out nextPlease, another twist in the pending sitcom, er documentary.

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[snedzuk]

Just has texts from Hearts friends saying Leslie 'played a blinder' :faf: jeez you're meant to wash your hands for 20 seconds in disinfectant, not drink it in 20 seconds lads :faf: it was comedy gold today, fair brightened up my day :aok:

Deans was laughable - especially that stuff about inviting Partick and Stranraer to join in at no cost to them (and also his plea for FOH to pony up the money for any legal case) then pursue all of the other clubs for legal expenses as well as compensation - never seems to have considered what if they do this and lose. Hearts, Partick and Stranraer on the hook for everyone elses expenses!! - maybe Hearts would have to put up a surety to cover that possibility given they might well have no cash. Interview was just a rant. Funny though.

[snedzuk]

the hamilton gadgy should be used as an example of exactly why other clubs wont want to go on sportsound to give some balance, it doesn't what they say that utter fudbaw tom english and michael stewart just wont accept balance


is this what the sportsound producer really wants, no balance

Maybe the same producer that asked gregory campbell MP on a few weeks ago - some balance there!!

[Ozyhibby]

Deans was laughable - especially that stuff about inviting Partick and Stranraer to join in at no cost to them (and also his plea for FOH to pony up the money for any legal case) then pursue all of the other clubs for legal expenses as well as compensation - never seems to have considered what if they do this and lose. Hearts, Partick and Stranraer on the hook for everyone elses expenses!! - maybe Hearts would have to put up a surety to cover that possibility given they might well have no cash. Interview was just a rant. Funny though.

Deans was great. He just sounded like the dafties that you get on kickback. It’s a shame he’s not still in charge at Tynecastle although to be fair to Budge, she is doing a great job of running them into the ground.


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[oldbutdim]

I knew Leslie Deans when he was little more than a laddie, and he was a clear weirdo then. Funnily enough his younger brother, although also a Jambo seemed fairly reasonable.

[Sammy7nil]

And that’s the reason I’ve never purchased a tv licence since 2014 . 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Obviously looking for some approval so well done :rolleyes:

[0762]

Listened to Sportsound today.

Leslie Deans is an @rse. 3rd biggest club in the country.......In your dreams pal.
12th team in The Premiership on merit but near the top of the league mis-management...... again :titanic:

Can’t wait for the Foundation of Hearts to take over and they start ripping themselves apart from the inside out.

Deans and Foulkes are a laughing stock. Both have checkered backgrounds. If this is the class of halfwits who’ve been running Hearts no wonder they’ve bounce from one embarrassment to the next.

Who next in the media……… probably time to roll out Medals McKay.

[WestCoastHibby]

"It matters.....to Digby Brown"

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Can we pause for a moment to reflect that whilst we must never rest on our laurels, how fortunate we are to have Leean at the helm and Ron and to STF and Rod for putting these foundations in place.

[WestCoastHibby]

I don't know why Michael Stewart gets it so tight from all and sundry.
I reckon he talks a lot of sense "most" of the time

[SMAXXA]

I don't know why Michael Stewart gets it so tight from all and sundry.
I reckon he talks a lot of sense "most" of the time

He does, best of a bad bunch

[The Baldmans Comb]

And that’s the reason I’ve never purchased a tv licence since 2014 . ��������������

I approve thoroughly and don't fund the State Broadcaster either but today was well worth a token amount.

Deans is a complete loony and its very rarely they get a whole show to themselves to sound that mad.��

[Frankhfc]

"It matters.....to Digby Brown"

:greengrin

The Yams could move forward on a no win no fee basis.

The problem being any Lord at the COS would most probably say - Yer team was pure pish, deal with it, next case.

[Baader]

Dodgy Deans sounds like how I imagine Scrooge would. His part about Herts conceivably taking out an injunction that could, theoretically, prevent all football in Scotland from taking place was hysterical, straightjacket at the ready nonsense! Bravo Leslie!

[0762]

I don't know why Michael Stewart gets it so tight from all and sundry.
I reckon he talks a lot of sense "most" of the time

Agree. When he was calling out Deans on his legal claims was hilarious. Stewart actually sounded more knowledgable than Deans when it came to the law and governance of football.

[truehibernian]

Agree. When he was calling out Deans on his legal claims was hilarious. Stewart actually sounded more knowledgeable than Deans when it came to the law and governance of football.

His utterly clueless interpretation of delict and duty of care had me spitting coffee all over the screen. The member clubs voted en masse to accept a resolution based on facts presented to them by an impartial elected board across all the Divisions. They were also told null and void had huge financial repercussions for clubs and would make them potentially worse off (there is actually proof presented that the Board have shown a duty of care to all members, and that money was released as a result to help most through this). The independent reconstruction group also put forward proposals which were rejected at this time. In other words, over 40 clubs provided input and opinion on the game and came up with a result they felt was good for their clubs and share holders. Each club has a duty of care for their staff and supporters whilst they also considered options for the good of the game. There was no lack of duty of care and the SPFL members are not responsible for the financial mismanagement of individual clubs and where they find themselves. The £3 million figure he plucked from thin air says more about how badly they've spent money than it does about a duty of care 'owed to them' by the other members.

Leslie Deans case is one which could be presented to a court on a fag packet. He's a glorified conveyancer, no more, no less. 40 years in law selling houses, which in all honesty, most people could do themselves :agree: he's probably appeared in court as an accused more than he has represented anyone :greengrin

[Col2]

Leslie Deans case is one which could be presented to a court on a fag packet. He's a glorified conveyancer, no more, no less. 40 years in law selling houses, which in all honesty, most people could do themselves :agree: he's probably appeared in court as an accused more than he has represented anyone :greengrin

I was in a zoom call with some friends last night. One of which is a lawyer and I asked if she knew of LD (she has zero interest if football), she laughed and said he wasn’t a lawyer he was an estate agent!!!

[number9dream]

English is desperate for one the guests to say they were pressured into a decision by the SPFL.

I almost felt sorry for him when he uttered a dramatic "Wow" at some unspecified hint of a threat from one of the aggrieved chairman they had calling in to the programme. He was desperately chasing some kind of Poundland Pulitzer and let himself get carried away without any evidence of malpractice, just the whiff of a poorly managed situation. After the dossier debacle, he's left clutching at straws.
One of the issues for the BBC is they have staff apparently chasing different agendas rather than the simple truth. English craves a conspiracy, C McLaughlin is something of a mouthpiece for Doncaster and B McLauchlin is a Jambo lapdog.

[ronaldo7]

This has become the dregs of society recently. First we have the DUP stomping round the studios asking for support of the The Rangers, and now we get wee Leslie the cash converter king.

They don't do balance.

[Brunswickbill]

Michael Stewart has become a bit more reasonable of late in contrast to Tom English who continues to attack the SPFL at every opportunity. Hence his story today on the BBC web site about the Lowland League having been "pressured" by the SPFL into accepting Brechin City should the club be relegated. On Sportsound yesterday he tried (not to say pressured) unsuccessfully to get the Lowland League chairman, George Fraser, to change the word "presuure" to suggest intimidation. But he didn't ask why on earth the Lowland League would want to force Brechin into the Highland League on relegation. There must have been good reason for Brechin to prefer the Lowland League rather then the Highland League. Possibly because Brechin has close ties to Perth, Dundee and the central belt and little or no relationship to the Highlands? Possibly because Brechin players come from the central belt? He didn't consider that the SPFL is a member organisiation and as such has a duty to pursue the interests of their members, and that they would be failing in their duties if they did not make every effort to support one of their members. He also didn't ask about how the Lowland League have already called their season and handed the title to Kelty Hearts. He also didn't raise the issue of hypocracy arising from the fact that the Lowland League have stopped relegation this year meaning that Vale of Leithen have avoided the drop whilst complaining that the SPFL have done exactly the same thing. But that doen't fit with his agenda.

Sportsound has become a forum for every team that has a beef about the decisions of the SPFL. There is no pundit who tries to look at the situation from the SPFL side or the clubs who aren't griping and just want to get on tackling the problem that Covid19 has created. English talks about a crisis, there is a crisis but it's caused by the Covid19 virus and all the turmoil encouraged by the Sportsound takes the focus away from the main issues of restarting the leagues and securing the future of football clubs.

As for Michael Stewart he is trying his best to reach a solution to suit everyone, bless him. If we only wait a while and give some money to the clubs in the meantime, a solution will be found that will please everyone. Sorry, that aint gonna happen. It's unfortunate that some clubs will suffer, some with more injustice than others. But that's life, and you won't be able to please every club. The idea of solidarity payments sounds good but it means taking money from successful clubs and handing it to failing clubs at a time when cash is in very short supply.

Sevco's singular aim has been to stop Celtic being able to claim 9IAR and, for sure, there will be a question over this league title, but their efforts have been conflated with the complaints of clubs who have been at the wrong end of the decisons to call the league.

Sportsound has been part of the problem. It's about time they recognised that the majority of clubs want to get on with planning for the new season and put the Sevco/ Hetz/reconstruction nonsense behind them.

[Purple & Green]

There is a line defined for highland/lowland and it is south of dundee.

Halfway through season, spfl force the ll to accept a rule change than any club relegated from league 2 can choose which league they go to.

The spfl threatened ll with removal from betfred and tunnock cups if they didn’t agree. Spfl refused to compensate clubs if Brechin - and it is only Brechin in league 2 - were relegated.

The play off between club 42 v ll v hl isn’t an spfl competition.

The play off is under the jurisdiction of sfa. Spfl are refusing to put forward a team because the league wasn’t finished.

Brora and kelty are happy to participate in play off before next season.

LL have indeed confirmed no relegation. It might be that kelty aren’t promoted so would stay in the league. LL will confirm promotion of Bo’ness to lowland league - so no team is disadvantaged. They will run with 16,17 or 18 teams depending on outcome.

Brechin, have rep on spfl board.

Kelty and Brora will/would win a legal case imho, which is why the spfl are bullying them.


Michael Stewart has become a bit more reasonable of late in contrast to Tom English who continues to attack the SPFL at every opportunity. Hence his story today on the BBC web site about the Lowland League having been "pressured" by the SPFL into accepting Brechin City should the club be relegated. On Sportsound yesterday he tried (not to say pressured) unsuccessfully to get the Lowland League chairman, George Fraser, to change the word "presuure" to suggest intimidation. But he didn't ask why on earth the Lowland League would want to force Brechin into the Highland League on relegation. There must have been good reason for Brechin to prefer the Lowland League rather then the Highland League. Possibly because Brechin has close ties to Perth, Dundee and the central belt and little or no relationship to the Highlands? Possibly because Brechin players come from the central belt? He didn't consider that the SPFL is a member organisiation and as such has a duty to pursue the interests of their members, and that they would be failing in their duties if they did not make every effort to support one of their members. He also didn't ask about how the Lowland League have already called their season and handed the title to Kelty Hearts. He also didn't raise the issue of hypocracy arising from the fact that the Lowland League have stopped relegation this year meaning that Vale of Leithen have avoided the drop whilst complaining that the SPFL have done exactly the same thing. But that doen't fit with his agenda.

Sportsound has become a forum for every team that has a beef about the decisions of the SPFL. There is no pundit who tries to look at the situation from the SPFL side or the clubs who aren't griping and just want to get on tackling the problem that Covid19 has created. English talks about a crisis, there is a crisis but it's caused by the Covid19 virus and all the turmoil encouraged by the Sportsound takes the focus away from the main issues of restarting the leagues and securing the future of football clubs.

As for Michael Stewart he is trying his best to reach a solution to suit everyone, bless him. If we only wait a while and give some money to the clubs in the meantime, a solution will be found that will please everyone. Sorry, that aint gonna happen. It's unfortunate that some clubs will suffer, some with more injustice than others. But that's life, and you won't be able to please every club. The idea of solidarity payments sounds good but it means taking money from successful clubs and handing it to failing clubs at a time when cash is in very short supply.

Sevco's singular aim has been to stop Celtic being able to claim 9IAR and, for sure, there will be a question over this league title, but their efforts have been conflated with the complaints of clubs who have been at the wrong end of the decisons to call the league.

Sportsound has been part of the problem. It's about time they recognised that the majority of clubs want to get on with planning for the new season and put the Sevco/ Hetz/reconstruction nonsense behind them.

[gaz1875]

Michael Stewart has become a bit more reasonable of late in contrast to Tom English who continues to attack the SPFL at every opportunity. Hence his story today on the BBC web site about the Lowland League having been "pressured" by the SPFL into accepting Brechin City should the club be relegated. On Sportsound yesterday he tried (not to say pressured) unsuccessfully to get the Lowland League chairman, George Fraser, to change the word "presuure" to suggest intimidation. But he didn't ask why on earth the Lowland League would want to force Brechin into the Highland League on relegation. There must have been good reason for Brechin to prefer the Lowland League rather then the Highland League. Possibly because Brechin has close ties to Perth, Dundee and the central belt and little or no relationship to the Highlands? Possibly because Brechin players come from the central belt? He didn't consider that the SPFL is a member organisiation and as such has a duty to pursue the interests of their members, and that they would be failing in their duties if they did not make every effort to support one of their members. He also didn't ask about how the Lowland League have already called their season and handed the title to Kelty Hearts. He also didn't raise the issue of hypocracy arising from the fact that the Lowland League have stopped relegation this year meaning that Vale of Leithen have avoided the drop whilst complaining that the SPFL have done exactly the same thing. But that doen't fit with his agenda.

Sportsound has become a forum for every team that has a beef about the decisions of the SPFL. There is no pundit who tries to look at the situation from the SPFL side or the clubs who aren't griping and just want to get on tackling the problem that Covid19 has created. English talks about a crisis, there is a crisis but it's caused by the Covid19 virus and all the turmoil encouraged by the Sportsound takes the focus away from the main issues of restarting the leagues and securing the future of football clubs.

As for Michael Stewart he is trying his best to reach a solution to suit everyone, bless him. If we only wait a while and give some money to the clubs in the meantime, a solution will be found that will please everyone. Sorry, that aint gonna happen. It's unfortunate that some clubs will suffer, some with more injustice than others. But that's life, and you won't be able to please every club. The idea of solidarity payments sounds good but it means taking money from successful clubs and handing it to failing clubs at a time when cash is in very short supply.

Sevco's singular aim has been to stop Celtic being able to claim 9IAR and, for sure, there will be a question over this league title, but their efforts have been conflated with the complaints of clubs who have been at the wrong end of the decisons to call the league.

Sportsound has been part of the problem. It's about time they recognised that the majority of clubs want to get on with planning for the new season and put the Sevco/ Hetz/reconstruction nonsense behind them.

Very well pointed out :top marks They have been a big part stirring things up, trying to create a backlash that has no answers.

[snedzuk]

This has become the dregs of society recently. First we have the DUP stomping round the studios asking for support of the The Rangers, and now we get wee Leslie the cash converter king.

They don't do balance.

If you held on for off the ball after the DUP edition it was quite funny with Stuart Cosgrove saying they would try to get Dr Josef Mengele on next week for a bit balance.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

And that’s the reason I’ve never purchased a tv licence since 2014 . [emoji2528]

I’m sorry to read that you are not watching any Tv or listening to any BBC radio stations - they give excellent value for money compared to the likes of Sky, BT or Virgin.

But I’m more upset that you are going to miss out on seeing the Hearts documentary when it appears on the BBC.

I don’t think for one minute that you would be a hypocrite and watch something you refuse to pay for on political grounds.

[steviehibsleith]

Why are the reporters not highlighting that the decision Scotland has come to in ending the season is not the only country doing this. Deans flapped Only the SPFL are but then made a joke ok so have the French
So far Dutch has done a null and void from what I see or no relagation or promotion
Belgium initially said it’s over but no decision as yet, with a backtrack and now top league still waiting
France As it stands automatic relagation promotion
Scotland as it stand automatic relagation promotion

The interest is too see what the remaining big players end up Germany,England,Spain,Italy.

But so far The decision we have made hurts a few teams but that’s Football every season and only team I feel sorry for is Partick Thistle

[Waxy]

Starting now.

[Waxy]

Doncaster coming on again today.

[hibsbollah]

Doncaster coming on again today.

He’s destroying the Sportsound pygmies so far. It’s an embarrassing discussion about what looks like a clear simple open and shut case.

[Jim44]

Putting the popcorn aside for a second, does anyone think that the toxicity of Scottish football because of Rangers and Hearts stances won’t go away soon and that a parting of the ways is inevitable. Or is that a bit over dramatic?

[eezyrider]

There is a line defined for highland/lowland and it is south of dundee.

Halfway through season, spfl force the ll to accept a rule change than any club relegated from league 2 can choose which league they go to.

The spfl threatened ll with removal from betfred and tunnock cups if they didn’t agree. Spfl refused to compensate clubs if Brechin - and it is only Brechin in league 2 - were relegated.

The play off between club 42 v ll v hl isn’t an spfl competition.

The play off is under the jurisdiction of sfa. Spfl are refusing to put forward a team because the league wasn’t finished.

Brora and kelty are happy to participate in play off before next season.

LL have indeed confirmed no relegation. It might be that kelty aren’t promoted so would stay in the league. LL will confirm promotion of Bo’ness to lowland league - so no team is disadvantaged. They will run with 16,17 or 18 teams depending on outcome.

Brechin, have rep on spfl board.

Kelty and Brora will/would win a legal case imho, which is why the spfl are bullying them.



I can understand letting club 42, if relegated, getting to decide which league they play in. The nearest HL club to the North of Brechin is Inverurie and the nearest LL team to the south is Kelty. That's a big distance in between with Brechin marooned in the middle. For ease of access, cost etc it's probably easier for them to play in the LL.


EZ

[Hibeesforever]

Tom English stirring it up now!

[Waxy]

Tom English is a clock without the l.

[hibsbollah]

I am doubting Tom English is genuinely speaking for himself. He’s a mouthpiece for other interests.

[The 90+2]

I am doubting Tom English is genuinely speaking for himself. He’s a mouthpiece for other interests.

Of course he is. He’s Budges mouthpiece and sounds exactly like Deans.

[Bostonhibby]

Putting the popcorn aside for a second, does anyone think that the toxicity of Scottish football because of Rangers and Hearts stances won’t go away soon and that a parting of the ways is inevitable. Or is that a bit over dramatic?If half a dozen or so clubs feel that passionately about reconstruction rather than spitefully stopping celtc winning the league or saving just your own club when you really have to be relegated then good luck to them.

Fund their league themselves, get their own TV deals and sponsorship, attract the best players in and create new trophies, persuade UEFA to let them sign up at the expense of the existing Scottish entry, form their own national team.

I can feel a task force coming on.



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[chasitup]

I am doubting Tom English is genuinely speaking for himself. He’s a mouthpiece for other interests.
You have to wonder don’t you. And Chick Young questioning the independence of an inquiry paid for by The Rangers, where Tom English thinks that’s fine.

[FilipinoHibs]

You have to wonder don’t you. And Chick Young questioning the independence of an inquiry paid for by The Rangers, where Tom English thinks that’s fine.

Others have said this, Sportsound is a set up to be confrontational and controversal to attract listeners.

[Onion]

Thought Doncaster did well under intense questioning giving matter of fact answers and clarifying some of the ridiculous and irrelevant claims by The Rangers in their infamous dossier. Then English started leathering in .. and I switched off. That guy is an idiot.

There are only so many ways to skin this cat. THE CLUBS (not the SPFL) have decided how the season should end - unless there is a Covid miracle. The clubs have thrown out null & void and thrown out reconstruction. If games cannot be played due to Covid and Government regulations - what alternative solution does the likes of English and all the Hearts mouthpieces have in mind ?

[Waxy]

Hearts mouthpiece trying to make excuses but someonewas going down anyway.Jobs are lost this way every year.
Jobs lost at hearts are gained at Dundee utd.

[Purple & Green]

I can understand letting club 42, if relegated, getting to decide which league they play in. The nearest HL club to the North of Brechin is Inverurie and the nearest LL team to the south is Kelty. That's a big distance in between with Brechin marooned in the middle. For ease of access, cost etc it's probably easier for them to play in the LL.


EZ

That should have been sorted before the season started - it was - it shouldn’t have come up for discussion once it became apparent Brechin were going to be club 42.

It’s certainly not easier for the lowland league, and would the spfl have taken such a course of action if they didn’t have Brechin rep on board?

There’s 13 teams south of Brechin that have been so far not joined the pyramid mainly because they would have been highland league feeders.

Suddenly - Brechin might get relegated - and spfl force lowland league with threat of taking awa cup places if they didn’t acquiesce.

This is the real scandal, not hearts or anyone else.

[Coach Jon]

Now we have Allan Preston on, it says something about the level of debate when Chick Young sounds like the only one talking sense!

[Onion]

Others have said this, Sportsound is a set up to be confrontational and controversal to attract listeners.

Yes, but where this is so obviously contrived, it just comes across as stupid.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Biscuits is just aboot greetin :boo hoo:

[Waxy]

Can we rename this Hunsound.

[Since452]

Has Doncaster been on yet? Can't bring myself to listen to those clowns