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[Tug Wilson]

In yesterday's podcast Tom English said that if you punch someone then you shouldn't be surprised if they punch you back as an analogy for Hearts bringing a court action. The idea being that the SPFL hit first.

A better analogy would be that Hearts are that pissed bloke in the nightclub who has been asked politely by the door staff to leave the VIP area.

Their reaction has been to whine that it's not fair. Conversation has gone like this.

Door Staff: Please leave

Hearts: That's not fair, the night is not over.

DS: Nightclub had to shut early, everyone is leaving. By the way, when we reopen you won't be in the VIP lounge.

H: What? That's not fair. I could get violent. You wouldn't want me to do that.

DS: Dundee United have been waiting patiently for their turn and, to be honest, you have just embarrassed yourself.

H: What about St Mirren and Hamilton? They're almost as bad.

DS: They can handle their drink sir.

H: Don't you know who I am? I am somebody round here.

DS: Unfortunately, someone has to leave to let United in.

H: Why don't you let more people into the VIP lounge? Surely we could all get in. Even my mate ICT.

DS: The lounge can only really accommodate the numbers we currently have. Letting in more people would only ruin the whole experience for everyone in there.

H: **** them. I mean I have spent a lot of money in the VIP lounge.

DS: To be honest, you bought a lot of overpriced drinks and pissed the rest up against that glass curtain. Can't really blame everyone else for that.

H: I have a mate who has loads of money. He could buy and sell this place. If he gave you some money would you let us in?

DS: There's no room! But if your friend wants to buy everyone a drink that would be nice. No strings attached.

H: He just did that. Can we get back into the VIP lounge now?

DS: No.

Hearts then throw a rather lame and telegraphed punch with no real weight behind it. Their whiney wee pal Patrick is there to back them up.

All the other people in the VIP lounge - including those two ugly sisters who everyone is afraid of - and everyone else in the nightclub say "**** this, throw those two out!"

DS: You and your pal are barred. Sine die.

H: Bully!

[Jim44]

Sorry to bump this, but if Tom English is making things up he needs to be called out for it. As far as I can see the SFA have written to HoMFC and PT because they are apparently in breach of the Articles. The SFA are duty bound to do this but there is nothing to suggest that they threatened to expel them. If they did I think they have acted prematurely, if they didn't then Tom English needs to withdraw his comments and apologise for them.

Maybe a moot point, but I would suggest that Hearts will not be expelled by the SFA, they will be expelled by themselves, through their ‘illegal’ behaviour. The SFA might just be informing them of the fact.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Sorry to bump this, but if Tom English is making things up he needs to be called out for it. As far as I can see the SFA have written to HoMFC and PT because they are apparently in breach of the Articles. The SFA are duty bound to do this but there is nothing to suggest that they threatened to expel them. If they did I think they have acted prematurely, if they didn't then Tom English needs to withdraw his comments and apologise for them.

Based on what was in the daily record article I think CG.

[Jim44]

In yesterday's podcast Tom English said that if you punch someone then you shouldn't be surprised if they punch you back as an analogy for Hearts bringing a court action. The idea being that the SPFL hit first.

A better analogy would be that Hearts are that pissed bloke in the nightclub who has been asked politely by the door staff to leave the VIP area.

Their reaction has been to whine that it's not fair. Conversation has gone like this.

Door Staff: Please leave

Hearts: That's not fair, the night is not over.

DS: Nightclub had to shut early, everyone is leaving. By the way, when we reopen you won't be in the VIP lounge.

H: What? That's not fair. I could get violent. You wouldn't want me to do that.

DS: Dundee United have been waiting patiently for their turn and, to be honest, you have just embarrassed yourself.

H: What about St Mirren and Hamilton? They're almost as bad.

DS: They can handle their drink sir.

H: Don't you know who I am? I am somebody round here.

DS: Unfortunately, someone has to leave to let United in.

H: Why don't you let more people into the VIP lounge? Surely we could all get in. Even my mate ICT.

DS: The lounge can only really accommodate the numbers we currently have. Letting in more people would only ruin the whole experience for everyone in there.

H: **** them. I mean I have spent a lot of money in the VIP lounge.

DS: To be honest, you bought a lot of overpriced drinks and pissed the rest up against that glass curtain. Can't really blame everyone else for that.

H: I have a mate who has loads of money. He could buy and sell this place. If he gave you some money would you let us in?

DS: There's no room! But if your friend wants to buy everyone a drink that would be nice. No strings attached.

H: He just did that. Can we get back into the VIP lounge now?

DS: No.

Hearts then throw a rather lame and telegraphed punch with no real weight behind it. Their whiney wee pal Patrick is there to back them up.

All the other people in the VIP lounge - including those two ugly sisters who everyone is afraid of - and everyone else in the nightclub say "**** this, throw those two out!"

DS: You and your pal are barred. Sine die.

H: Bully!

Nicely put. :agree:

[Caversham Green]

Based on what was in the daily record article I think CG.

Yes, I get that but even the record doesn't say anyone has threatened to expel them. It does say that it might happen but there's nothing in the article to suggest anything from an official source. English seems to have implied that the threat has already been explicitly made.

[Hillsidehibby]

In yesterday's podcast Tom English said that if you punch someone then you shouldn't be surprised if they punch you back as an analogy for Hearts bringing a court action. The idea being that the SPFL hit first.

A better analogy would be that Hearts are that pissed bloke in the nightclub who has been asked politely by the door staff to leave the VIP area.

Their reaction has been to whine that it's not fair. Conversation has gone like this.

Door Staff: Please leave

Hearts: That's not fair, the night is not over.

DS: Nightclub had to shut early, everyone is leaving. By the way, when we reopen you won't be in the VIP lounge.

H: What? That's not fair. I could get violent. You wouldn't want me to do that.

DS: Dundee United have been waiting patiently for their turn and, to be honest, you have just embarrassed yourself.

H: What about St Mirren and Hamilton? They're almost as bad.

DS: They can handle their drink sir.

H: Don't you know who I am? I am somebody round here.

DS: Unfortunately, someone has to leave to let United in.

H: Why don't you let more people into the VIP lounge? Surely we could all get in. Even my mate ICT.

DS: The lounge can only really accommodate the numbers we currently have. Letting in more people would only ruin the whole experience for everyone in there.

H: **** them. I mean I have spent a lot of money in the VIP lounge.

DS: To be honest, you bought a lot of overpriced drinks and pissed the rest up against that glass curtain. Can't really blame everyone else for that.

H: I have a mate who has loads of money. He could buy and sell this place. If he gave you some money would you let us in?

DS: There's no room! But if your friend wants to buy everyone a drink that would be nice. No strings attached.

H: He just did that. Can we get back into the VIP lounge now?

DS: No.

Hearts then throw a rather lame and telegraphed punch with no real weight behind it. Their whiney wee pal Patrick is there to back them up.

All the other people in the VIP lounge - including those two ugly sisters who everyone is afraid of - and everyone else in the nightclub say "**** this, throw those two out!"

DS: You and your pal are barred. Sine die.

H: Bully!

Pleasing

[James Stephen]

It’s weird - I always thought he came out well, unless he was debating with Mikey Stewart. Seems it’s all down to the other idiots they employ..

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king i suppose.

When Derek Ferguson and Billy Dodds are the intellectual bar you are dealing with, its maybe no surprise he sounds bright - being able to speak english properly would do it.

[monarch]

To maintain BBCs “neutral” position sole Scottish Labour MP and Uber Jambo Ian Murray to be on Off the Ball today. I’m sure he’ll introduce fair and balanced comment to the debate. 😏

Wonder if he’ll repeat his tasteless reference to Hibs American sugar daddy ?

[FilipinoHibs]

Sportsound have David Winnie on today as their legal expert!

[cabbageandribs1875]

To maintain BBCs “neutral” position sole Scottish Labour MP and Uber Jambo Ian Murray to be on Off the Ball today. I’m sure he’ll introduce fair and balanced comment to the debate. 😏

Wonder if he’ll repeat his tasteless reference to Hibs American sugar daddy ?

wish i had saw this post earlier rather than having to abruptly turn the radio off just now when they said the little squirts name, is he on the phone from george square

[Jim44]

Listening to Richard Gordon on OTB, he mentioned that the UEFA rule was that a club could not raise legal action against another member club. One of them said that Hearts’ and Partick’s action was against the SFA but, I think it was Gordon, who said, no, they specifically cite Dundee Utd., Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers in their litigation. Grounds for sanctions, in my opinion.

[Since452]

Listening to Richard Gordon on OTB, he mentioned that the UEFA rule was that a club could not raise legal action against another member club. One of them said that Hearts’ and Partick’s action was against the SFA but, I think it was Gordon, who said, no, they specifically cite Dundee Utd., Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers in their litigation. Grounds for sanctions, in my opinion.

Not like Richard Gordon to speak up against Hearts

[Jim44]

Not like Richard Gordon to speak up against Hearts

Unfortunately, in the company and under the influence of Ian Murray, Bathgate and Cowan seem to be talking up ‘being fair to Hearts’. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

Unfortunately, in the company and under the influence of Ian Murray, Bathgate and Cowan seem to be talking up ‘being fair to Hearts’. :rolleyes:

To be fair to Hearts you have to be unfair to someone else.


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[Tug Wilson]

To be fair to Hearts you have to be unfair to someone else.


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Yup. The whole crux of the matter.

[Caversham Green]

Listening to Richard Gordon on OTB, he mentioned that the UEFA rule was that a club could not raise legal action against another member club. One of them said that Hearts’ and Partick’s action was against the SFA but, I think it was Gordon, who said, no, they specifically cite Dundee Utd., Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers in their litigation. Grounds for sanctions, in my opinion.

The SFA rules refer to 'parties who are subject to the rules of the Scottish FA' and later lists 'player, official, referee, club, league or association'. Pretty comprehensive and clearly includes the SPFL.

[Caversham Green]

To be fair to Hearts you have to be unfair to someone else.


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Besides which, relegating them is fair to them because they were demonstrably not good enough for the league they were in. Gives them the chance to win a few more games.

[Ozyhibby]

The SFA rules refer to 'parties who are subject to the rules of the Scottish FA' and later lists 'player, official, referee, club, league or association'. Pretty comprehensive and clearly includes the SPFL.

Doesn’t the Hearts case cite Dundee Utd directly anyway? That’s a clear breach surely?


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[Andy74]

Doesn’t the Hearts case cite Dundee Utd directly anyway? That’s a clear breach surely?


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The petition was served to the SPFL, Cove Rangers, Dundee Utd, Raith Rovers and Stranraer.

[Jim44]

Ex Celtic player John Collins saying ‘no relegation, two teams promoted across the board.

[Ozyhibby]

Ex Celtic player John Collins saying ‘no relegation, two teams promoted across the board.

John doesn’t have to balance the books at a club and isn’t having to make people redundant this week.


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[Wheat Hound]

Once again zero balance on the show with no-one holding a different view invited on. A total echo chamber. They have the temerity to question why they've not had an explanation as to why the majority of clubs voted no to reconstruction.....well maybe invite someone who holds that view on then!!!!

[WhileTheChief..]

They were asked about this during the week.

They invite people from clubs and the SPFL on each week but nobody wants to appear.

If it’s only the folk who are backing Hearts that are willing to go on, you’ll only hear one side.

Why aren’t LD or RG putting themselves forward?

[Jim44]

McCann going on and on and on about things they’ve been talking about for weeks ....... he’s still ranting about Dundee changing their vote. Collins saying that in the indicative vote clubs should have been told to say how they voted and why. Also, by saying ‘under closed doors’, is he suggesting the results were fiddled?

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Ex Celtic player John Collins saying ‘no relegation, two teams promoted across the board.

Shame, I used to like him
Oh well

[Hillsidehibby]

Ex Celtic player John Collins saying ‘no relegation, two teams promoted across the board.

JC also saying Hearts have a great Training Complex. Except they don't John.

[Waxy]

The decisions have already been made. Dont know why people think because hearts have gone to court then hearts can now pick what happens.
This should actually be much worse for hearts now.
They must be in real danger of getting chucked out the league.As always you get the feeling hearts think they’re above the rules.

[stoneyburn hibs]

They were asked about this during the week.

They invite people from clubs and the SPFL on each week but nobody wants to appear.

If it’s only the folk who are backing Hearts that are willing to go on, you’ll only hear one side.

Why aren’t LD or RG putting themselves forward?


I'm quite happy that LD and RG aren't on this Hearts slanted car crash.

[007]

Ex Celtic player John Collins saying ‘no relegation, two teams promoted across the board.

Would bet Sportsound finds out the guests' views on the situation before inviting them on.

[007]

JC also saying Hearts have a great Training Complex. Except they don't John.

John Collins and Neil McCann vying for the Hearts job?

[Ronniekirk]

It’s so one sided no real attempt at balance what’s so ever
It’s embarrassing so switched off


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[tamig]

McCann also finding it hard to understand why the clubs didn’t buy into the Thistle statement last weekend and why only 16 voted for reconstruction. Absolute welt.

[Keith_M]

Honestly, if it upsets people so much, why keep listening to it?

[tamig]

Honestly, if it upsets people so much, why keep listening to it?

It is a good way to let off steam and have a good shout at the wireless 😀

[The 90+2]

McCann also finding it hard to understand why the clubs didn’t buy into the Thistle statement last weekend and why only 16 voted for reconstruction. Absolute welt.

One thing sportsound over the past few months has been able to confirm is how stupid Neil McCann actually is. I thought he always came across alright on Sky but he’s and I still think he’s harmless, he’s just very very stupid.

[blackpoolhibs]

Honestly, if it upsets people so much, why keep listening to it?

I wonder what their figures are, as i dont listen at all now but used to listen every week? :confused:

[Scott Allan Key]

Tom English says that relegating the teams that were bottom of the league when the season ended, as per the rules, is morally wrong. His morals are questionable at best.And his fancying Budge is aesthetically wrong.

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[Spike Mandela]

Tom English says that relegating the teams that were bottom of the league when the season ended, as per the rules, is morally wrong. His morals are questionable at best.

You could argue that teams using the global pandemic to avoid relegation is morally wrong. Hey ho.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm quite happy that LD and RG aren't on this Hearts slanted car crash.

Likewise.

Similarly, I’m sure fans of other clubs feel the same, so we’re left to listen to the ones who want to bump their gums the most.

[matty_f]

They were asked about this during the week.

They invite people from clubs and the SPFL on each week but nobody wants to appear.

If it’s only the folk who are backing Hearts that are willing to go on, you’ll only hear one side.

Why aren’t LD or RG putting themselves forward?

I think that the "the other side won't come on" is a cop out.

The host should ask challenging questions "what about the argument that says..."
"Let's look at the other issues around reconstruction, if you're a top flight chairman, what things would you consider when voting?"

It doesn't need a dissenting voice for balance, it needs discussion and probing questions. That's sadly lacking.

[Springbank]

I must admit I have stopped bothering to tune in, now that hearts are down

[Hibby70]

David Winnie is hopeless

[coldingham hibs]

What’s the point of having a sports lawyer on the show who appears to know less than the pundits 🤔

[hibee-boys]

Stick to football David Winnie🙈

[coldingham hibs]

Hearts have a 50/50 chance, really, I think I could have suggested that.

[Hibby70]

What options do the SFA have under rule 99? Fine, points deduction, transfer ban?

[Ronniekirk]

So basically it’s now just a show primarily pumping out Hearts propaganda and they laugh about how poor Tom English has had a difficult week
All backslapping each other reinforcing how hard done by poor Hearts have been treated
Occasionally Gordon will make a flippant remark about balance but feels like they are just taking the piss



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[Andy74]

Hearts have a 50/50 chance, really, I think I could have suggested that.

No they don’t even have that.

This isn’t Winnie’s area of specialism, which is largely representing players. His assessment the other day showed he knows very little about the topic at hand.

[007]

They were asked about this during the week.

They invite people from clubs and the SPFL on each week but nobody wants to appear.

If it’s only the folk who are backing Hearts that are willing to go on, you’ll only hear one side.

Why aren’t LD or RG putting themselves forward?

They ask Neil Doncaster to come on and he has done twice and I don't blame him for not going on more. Tom English is desperate to have a go at him the same way he tried with Donald Findlay when he embarrassed himself and forgot that he's supposed be professional when doing interviews. English doesn't want to have a proper interview he wants create some kind of big newsworthy moment where he proves how great he is by steamrolling Doncaster thereby further endearing himself to Hearts and Rangers fans.

[green day]

Richard Gordon had to correct English that you cant have a 14 team division without a split.

TE is a spanner.

Gordon and Miller are doing a reasonable job of demonstrating that he is making a cock of himself.

[KDY Hibs]

David Winnie is hopeless

He was poor, erm erm erm but erm erm!

[Fuzzywuzzy]

He was poor, erm erm erm but erm erm!

I could have sworn he was slurping on a cuppa

[Wheat Hound]

JC and McCann displaying the reasons why both have been cast aside and cant get a job. Showing zero awareness of why clubs didnt vote for reconstruction.

[northgreen24]

TE kept coming back to the vote only to be reminded that a no can be changed to a yes no issue .....TE yes but why why why,

So what’s your actual point they changed so tough

[Fuzzywuzzy]

It seems that everyone that they have on this is to speak is siding with hearts. Has anyone been on that's said that hearts are acting like ****s?

[Newhaven]

Can’t get why so many continue to listen to Radio Jambo. Just a propaganda machine for the gorgie shower.

The BBC hate hibs with a passion so no surprise really..

[The Harp]

I must admit I have stopped bothering to tune in, now that hearts are down

You've got it right. It's become nothing more than a platform for pro Hearts propaganda. English, McCann, and even John Collins all crying into their cuppas over how unfair hearts have been treated. Collins even suggesting that the clubs should discuss reconstruction again, now we know how much of a payout hearts and Partick are demanding.

[Waxy]

Still baffled how they expect £8m for being relegated?
Does the prem winner even get £8m?
Sorry its a bit bafflng.
Surely Rangers then should go to court and ask for much more as they could have won the league.
This is a headspinner.
I dont think Hearts and Partick had a right to go to this court.This wont end well for hearts.

[MWHIBBIES]

Awful podcast again today. English and Thomson talking rubbish about Hibs. Thomson thinks we should make top players redundant instead of Colin Nish and people ‘further down the food chain”!!

English would like to hear some ambition from Ron Gordon. Would like to hear more from him... he must’ve missed all the ambitious plans announced prior to lockdown. Maybe he’d get an interview at Hibs if he wasn’t so far up Budge’s rear end!

And then to finish, TE with his obligatory defence of Budge “Anne Budge was castigated for introducing cuts early, now everyone’s at it” - no mention of the fact it was morally the right thing to DEFER not CUT initially.

Why do I bother listening, it just winds you up 😂😂

Did he actually say that? ****ing hell...

[Del Boy]

Seems like neither side can be overly confident on how this plays out, don’t think either side really wants this to actually go to court, so I think what will happen is the SPFL will make an undisclosed offer to Hearts, Partick and Stranraer to accept their relegations. There will be a bit of negotiation and an agreement will be reached. IMO it’s more than they deserve but it might be the only way to move this on. If it goes to court then I don’t see the league kicking off on 1st August and then clubs could lose or at least delay receiving the new sky money.

[brianmc]

What options do the SFA have under rule 99? Fine, points deduction, transfer ban?

And expulsion. Which is my preferred outcome.

[Andy74]

Seems like neither side can be overly confident on how this plays out, don’t think either side really wants this to actually go to court, so I think what will happen is the SPFL will make an undisclosed offer to Hearts, Partick and Stranraer to accept their relegations. There will be a bit of negotiation and an agreement will be reached. IMO it’s more than they deserve but it might be the only way to move this on. If it goes to court then I don’t see the league kicking off on 1st August and then clubs could lose or at least delay receiving the new sky money.

The SPFL can be very confident.

There's no way they can settle with these clubs and not then have to deal with every other issue caused to clubs by the season ending the way it did.

[Since452]

It would be ironic and bloody hilarious if, after a weeks of Hearts bleating about being expelled, they were literally expelled from the SPFL. Scenes.

[Eyrie]

The SPFL can be very confident.

There's no way they can settle with these clubs and not then have to deal with every other issue caused to clubs by the season ending the way it did.

Could be very amusing.

The court finds in favour of Hearts and Partick, at which point every other club uses the precedent to sue for the highest league placing they could have achieved including compensation for Europe/promotion.

The SPFL declares administration and bumps all of its creditors, so no club gets a penny.

[007]

Hearts have a 50/50 chance, really, I think I could have suggested that.

The guy should have stuck to football. He thinks they're being conservative with £8m because there's no guarantee they'll come right back up. 😂😂😂 There's also no guarantee they wouldn't get relegated from the Premiership next season.

Typical of Sportsound, of all the lawyers they could have asked on the programme, they manage to find one that used to play for Hearts. 😂😂😂

[green day]

The SPFL declares administration and bumps all of its creditors, so no club gets a penny.

Hearts would approve that strategy 👍

[Danderhall Hibs]

I think that the "the other side won't come on" is a cop out.

The host should ask challenging questions "what about the argument that says..."
"Let's look at the other issues around reconstruction, if you're a top flight chairman, what things would you consider when voting?"

It doesn't need a dissenting voice for balance, it needs discussion and probing questions. That's sadly lacking.

:agree: is it real beyond the wit of Richard Gordon to play devils advocate?

[Tug Wilson]

Seems like neither side can be overly confident on how this plays out, don’t think either side really wants this to actually go to court, so I think what will happen is the SPFL will make an undisclosed offer to Hearts, Partick and Stranraer to accept their relegations. There will be a bit of negotiation and an agreement will be reached. IMO it’s more than they deserve but it might be the only way to move this on. If it goes to court then I don’t see the league kicking off on 1st August and then clubs could lose or at least delay receiving the new sky money.

To stop the Premiership starting then Hearts and PT would have to apply for an interim interdict.

They have not done so and it would be a brave move from them.

It would also be very difficult for the court to grant the application.

The threat is probably more powerful than the reality.

I would like the SPFL to release the fixtures. That would smoke out any interdict.

[Irish_Steve]

Well, Sportsound today has united Hibs and Hearts

Both sets of fans think David Winnie is absolutely dug-***** lol

[007]

Willie Miller correctly points out company directors have a duty to act in the best interests of the company (club). There's a few seconds pause whilst Tom English fails to think of an argument against that logical comment and when he can't, he ignores it and brought the conversation back to the Dundee vote and John Nelms has some questions to answer. Though Richard Gordon managed to get him to admit there was nothing wrong with them changing a no to a yes.

[Kojock]

Richard Gordon had to correct English that you cant have a 14 team division without a split.

TE is a spanner.

Gordon and Miller are doing a reasonable job of demonstrating that he is making a cock of himself.

Yep, English - we should’ve went for 14 teams and did away with the split. Richard Gordon had to remind English that would mean a 52 game league.

[007]

To stop the Premiership starting then Hearts and PT would have to apply for an interim interdict.

They have not done so and it would be a brave move from them.

It would also be very difficult for the court to grant the application.

The threat is probably more powerful than the reality.

I would like the SPFL to release the fixtures. That would smoke out any interdict.

It was a nice try by McLaughlin to ask if Hearts and Partick didn't apply for the interim interdict could the court decide to stop the league from starting, only to be given a flat no. 🖕

[ekhibee]

I think more and more people have stopped listening to Radio Yamsound, I haven't listened to it for weeks because people like Tom English seem to get a free reign to say exactly what they want with absolutely no fear of recrimination. His biased, unprofessional and inaccurate reporting just seems to annoy too many people, maybe sometime in the future BBC will take the hint. But I doubt it.

[seanshow]

Here's what's going to happen.
Sfa waits for the response from H&PT, they assess their response and suggest they cease due to potential rule breaches.
If its ignored Uefa step in and contact the clubs directly and tell them in no uncertain terms to stop or face sanctions.
The yams get 400k parachute payment and 50 grand from the boy Anderson.

.. and a bottle of asda ketchup for their chip stalls

Game over :)

[poolman]

Did he actually say that? ****ing hell...



Thompson's as bright as a black out

[Kaff]

I didn't listen to Sportsound this week and haven't yet heard superscoreboard but the impression I get is that on SSB they don't hound those with the view that Hearts and the Jags are unlucky but should be relegated so they are able to put across that point, the opposite view gets the same chance I assume?
Trouble with Sportsound is the way they absolutely tear into the person with the view relegation is the least unfair option and they get it from 3 or 4 different contributors hardly giving them a chance to calmly put forward their opinion.
Willie Miller sometimes puts forward good points but the others just shout across him and interrupt, it's little wonder no one is keen to take part in the show but then that's played on by the producers that it's basically a one sided argument, this isn't borne out on twitter when you see the range of clubs supporters in favour of relegation, the only ones you see wanting no relegation are pretty much the clubs involved

[The 90+2]

Thompson's as bright as a black out

Thompson is a great guy tbf. Probably the funniest footballer there’s ever been. Mad as ****.

[penihibs]

Once again zero balance on the show with no-one holding a different view invited on. A total echo chamber. They have the temerity to question why they've not had an explanation as to why the majority of clubs voted no to reconstruction.....well maybe invite someone who holds that view on then!!!!

They are bringing on a neutral view tomorrow,give them their due.Jambo Jim Jefferies !!!!

[Clarence]

I think more and more people have stopped listening to Radio Yamsound, I haven't listened to it for weeks because people like Tom English seem to get a free reign to say exactly what they want with absolutely no fear of recrimination. His biased, unprofessional and inaccurate reporting just seems to annoy too many people, maybe sometime in the future BBC will take the hint. But I doubt it.

I’m not a lawyer but some of the allegations he makes about Neil Doncaster seem to verge on defamation of character. Specifically, the comments he makes about influencing the vote and all the insinuations of skullduggery. He’s making these claims with no real evidence and casting that type of aspersion on his character could potentially be very damaging to his reputation.

[JohnMcM]

If they belched on again about 14 10 10 10 (tel:14 10 10 10) was there by any chance a mention of 12 12 10 10 (tel:12 12 10 10), or that we dropped a place and lost money?

[Radium]

Well, Sportsound today has united Hibs and Hearts

Both sets of fans think David Winnie is absolutely dug-***** lol

I thought that Winnie gave a bit of information without being drawn into the arguments.

H & PT are making some arguments about the initial vote which I don’t think will make much difference. Presuming that the remedy would be another vote and I cannot see coming to another answer. Personally it seemed to be a messy process but correct in law (based on what I have read, not any qualification)

Something about other members not treating them with good faith and leading to disadvantage. Will be interesting to see how they argue how the decision could be made without others losing out.

Then they want compensation which will wipe out smaller clubs as each club has a single share so liability will be shared equally.


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[hibeerealist]

I listened to BBC Yam for about 30 mins today, I usually listen all afternoon, but the totally biased view being spouted by all on the show was nauseating. Balanced view my a r se what a set up and TE needs to go do one, he sounds like a Yam employee and hounds everyone (when listening to previous shows where there may be a more neutral observer being interviewed) who dares say that this was the fairest outcome all round.

He has gone on for weeks that it is grossly unfair to Hertz, PT and Stranraer but did not hear him defend the right of Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove to promotion, the guy is NOT neutral and is a complete bell end and I won’t listen to the show again whilst he is on it.

BBC should remember we all pay licence fees for fair and reasonable reporting, not this s hit e.

[007]

They are bringing on a neutral view tomorrow,give them their due.Jambo Jim Jefferies !!!!

John Collins today fulfilled their neutral on the issue quota but they no doubted 1st checked his viewpoint was that there should be reconstruction before inviting him on.

[Waxy]

John Collins today fulfilled their neutral on the issue quota but they no doubted 1st checked his viewpoint was that there should be reconstruction before inviting him on.

I dont see the point in them manufacturing the show either.
If they think they are forcing a change in football peoples perception of the situation then they’re way of the mark.
They’re only making complete fools of themselves and the show.
Their bosses will most likely be clueless about the whole thing so will just bury their heads in the sand.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

It's one thing to berate clubs and club owners for making decisions based on self interest, but where is the challenge to Hearts for doing exactly that? Seems like the Sportsound team are all in agreement that Hearts are simply motivated by what is best for the game. Why isn't taking your medicine and letting everyone move forwards, not what is best for the game.

[007]

It's one thing to berate clubs and club owners for making decisions based on self interest, but where is the challenge to Hearts for doing exactly that? Seems like the Sportsound team are all in agreement that Hearts are simply motivated by what is best for the game. Why isn't taking your medicine and letting everyone move forwards, not what is best for the game.

Because Hearts have been 'wronged' is their justification.

What I think is completely totally incorrect is the narrative of no club should be worse off due to Covid-19. What about the flipside where no club should benefit? Hearts were 4 points adrift at the bottom with an average of 0.75 ppg meaning, at that rate, they'd only score 6 more points from the remaining 8 games so they weren't going to catch St Mirren or Ross County 6 points ahead of them or Hamilton 4 points ahead. Their argument that they'd close the gap because they'd be playing all the clubs around them doesn't cut it either. They only 1 win all season against them (unless we'd been bottom 6 at the split) MacPhee's 5-2 win against St Mirren. I don't see why Hearts should benefit from the Covid-19 situation by being saved, particularly at the expense of other clubs who deserve promotion.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

In fairness Cosgrove said that we had conducted ourselves very well considering we lost a position to St johnstone and the associated money

[Jim44]

Sportsound should be renamed Heartsound. F*****g pathetic.

[Billy Whizz]

Sportsound should be renamed Heartsound. F*****g pathetic.

And next season I expect Levein will be a regular punter on it

[Brunswickbill]

If they belched on again about 14 10 10 10 (tel:14 10 10 10) was there by any chance a mention of 12 12 10 10 (tel:12 12 10 10), or that we dropped a place and lost money?

Cosgrove mentioned it in the 5 o’clock show. He said we lost £70k, I thought it was more than that.

I think I’ll send in the question to Jason Leitch next Saturday about how come Covid transformed Hertz into a winning team ��

[Radium]

Cosgrove mentioned it in the 5 o’clock show. He said we lost £70k, I thought it was more than that.

I think I’ll send in the question to Jason Leitch next Saturday about how come Covid transformed Hertz into a winning team ��

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£125,000 by my calculations


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[The Harp]

He has mentioned the amount we have lost out on twice in recent shows and has got it wrong both times.

[penihibs]

John Collins today fulfilled their neutral on the issue quota but they no doubted 1st checked his viewpoint was that there should be reconstruction before inviting him on.

Your bang on!

[penihibs]

In fairness Cosgrove said that we had conducted ourselves very well considering we lost a position to St johnstone and the associated money

Always fight's our corner for some reason, same on cup final day..

[hibsbollah]

Because Hearts have been 'wronged' is their justification.

What I think is completely totally incorrect is the narrative of no club should be worse off due to Covid-19. What about the flipside where no club should benefit? Hearts were 4 points adrift at the bottom with an average of 0.75 ppg meaning, at that rate, they'd only score 6 more points from the remaining 8 games so they weren't going to catch St Mirren or Ross County 6 points ahead of them or Hamilton 4 points ahead. Their argument that they'd close the gap because they'd be playing all the clubs around them doesn't cut it either. They only 1 win all season against them (unless we'd been bottom 6 at the split) MacPhee's 5-2 win against St Mirren. I don't see why Hearts should benefit from the Covid-19 situation by being saved, particularly at the expense of other clubs who deserve promotion.

Your point is spot on. But it should also be clear for everyone to see as its so blatantly obvious(no offence meant)

The question is, why is Sportsound taking the HMFC line on this so emphatically, tolerating no opposite view, when everyone that expresses an opinion to me on this, no matter who they support, think that it makes no sense whatsoever? Very odd.

[FilipinoHibs]

I had the displeasure to listen to Ian Murray on Off The Ball. His points were:
1. SPFL invented a rule to get Hearts relegated.
2. Doncaster should have used his executive powers to overturn the votes.
3. Reconstruction would have benefited the whole of Scottish football.
4 Hundreds will loose their jobs because of Hearts relegation.

Pure Kickback.

[Waxy]

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£125,000 by my calculations


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk1st gets £3.3m yet hearts want £8m for finishing bottom on top of what they already got?
Fair?

[tamig]

1st gets £3.3m yet hearts want £8m for finishing bottom on top of what they already got?
Fair?

The breakdown of this fantasy figure will be interesting to see.

[Eyrie]

The breakdown of this fantasy figure will be interesting to see.

It doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny.

It's simply an unscrupulous attempt by Hearts to profit from the coronavirus shutdown.

[Springbank]

It doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny.

It's simply an unscrupulous attempt by Hearts to profit from the coronavirus shutdown.

"for finishing last, i want 3 times what the winners get"

[007]

"for finishing last, i want 3 times what the winners get"

Well just like 2018/2019 they would have won the league by October. That would leave them enough time to win it again by end of January and again in May.

[FilipinoHibs]

Given that every team no matter which league will have to play part at least of the season behind closed doors, everyone will suffer losses. The only reasonable loss I think Hearts can claim, is that in the championship they will have to play a maximum of 5 less home games. Season ticket holders will have to be compensated for this. At £400 a season ticket and 12,000 holders the loss will be approximately £1.3 million. This would be a reasonable compensation figure.

[Rumble de Thump]

Given that every team no matter which league will have to play part at least of the season behind closed doors, everyone will suffer losses. The only reasonable loss I think Hearts can claim, is that in the championship they will have to play a maximum of 5 less home games. Season ticket holders will have to be compensated for this. At £400 a season ticket and 12,000 holders the loss will be approximately £1.3 million. This would be a reasonable compensation figure.

Who owes them compensate? The coronavirus?

[BS44]

"for finishing last, i want 3 times what the winners get"

Tom English called it the opening gambit on the radio today. Suspect he's right and that figure will reduce during discussions

[Gloucester Hibs]

Tom English called it the opening gambit on the radio today. Suspect he's right and that figure will reduce during discussions

True but we’re not talking haggling at a Mexican flea market?! There surely has to be some justification behind these fantasy figures?

[Ozyhibby]

Tom English called it the opening gambit on the radio today. Suspect he's right and that figure will reduce during discussions

For there to be discussions, there needs to be a chance they can win. I don’t really see that right now.


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[Springbank]

For there to be discussions, there needs to be a chance they can win. I don’t really see that right now.


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I agree.

There's no reasonable "let's meet in the middle" position, when hearts (the party who need the money) have horiffically skewed their side of any discussion from the kick off.

It's the best own goal seen in Scottish football since zaliukas at Easter Road in the 1-0 cup tie

[SouthMoroccoStu]

They are bringing on a neutral view tomorrow,give them their due.Jambo Jim Jefferies !!!!

Yeah
Played for hearts, managed hearts (twice) and supports hearts
Bound to get a solid balanced point of view there

[Waxy]

Given that every team no matter which league will have to play part at least of the season behind closed doors, everyone will suffer losses. The only reasonable loss I think Hearts can claim, is that in the championship they will have to play a maximum of 5 less home games. Season ticket holders will have to be compensated for this. At £400 a season ticket and 12,000 holders the loss will be approximately £1.3 million. This would be a reasonable compensation figure.Hearts agreed to play less games with the championship group.This would mean the other nine clubs could get the same compo.
Hearts are barking up the wrong tree.

[Marco G]

At least they had an expert, Sports Lawyer, David Winnie , on on Saturday. His quote of the day was "hearts have nothing to lose by going to court". Correct, except for their lawyers fees when they lose, plus defendants expenses, plus losing any shred of goodwill left from the other clubs, plus hitting the communities and clubs if they win, plus potentially being thrown out the leagues for breaching SFA rules.

A guy with his finger on the pulse, hope that all their advice is that good.

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[BS44]

For there to be discussions, there needs to be a chance they can win. I don’t really see that right now.


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Surely their lawyers think they've got a decent shout if they are going to go through with this and are taking it to court.

[brog]

Surely their lawyers think they've got a decent shout if they are going to go through with this and are taking it to court.

Their lawyers get paid regardless.

[Waxy]

Surely their lawyers think they've got a decent shout if they are going to go through with this and are taking it to court.
Surely lawyers will take on almost any case if someone is willing to pay them?

[RoxburghHibs]

Did they really say £8m compensation was “conservative” and all agreed? WTF

[Kojock]

Surely their lawyers think they've got a decent shout if they are going to go through with this and are taking it to court.

Are they going to take it all the way though? IMHO they are bluffing with the 8m claim in the hope that the SPFL bottle it and settle out of court for a lesser figure. If the SPFL stand strong and say “bring it on” Hear7s will find an excuse to appease their fans and withdraw their action.

[Caversham Green]

For there to be discussions, there needs to be a chance they can win. I don’t really see that right now.


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If the settlement was going to be around the potential cost of legal fees a discussion could take place to save time and effort. If they're looking for anything like £8m there's no point in starting discussions, particularly when their case appears so weak.

[green day]

Did they really say £8m compensation was “conservative” and all agreed? WTF

No, that was David Winnie who was on stumbling and mumbling through his commentary - he was talking about losses in future years, should these clubs not gain immediate promotion back to the relevant leagues.

Richard Gordon immediately corrected him that these clubs couldnt reasonably claim for losses due to failure on the field of play next season.

Winnie did the classic "lawyer" thing of saying a lot without actually stating any real position or giving any reasonable or sensible conclusions.

When asked about the chances of the petition winning - again he sat on the fence and said it was no better than 50/50 :rolleyes:

[FilipinoHibs]

Hearts agreed to play less games with the championship group.This would mean the other nine clubs could get the same compo.
Hearts are barking up the wrong tree.

No because they have much fewer season ticket holders. Think only the teams in the play off positions could make a claim as they were denied a chance to get out of the league and get premiership TV money. Hearts have opened a can of worms. If they get anything others will follow. Look at the compensation paid out in other leagues. Why I think the SPFL will fight this tooth and nail.

[WhileTheChief..]

When they said Whinnie was a sports lawyer I assumed they meant he would understand this kinda stuff.

I think he’s more like like an agent, maybe helping players understand their contracts or buying a house or similar.

We need to hear from an actual lawyer, probably one with decades experience in corporate law.

[GreenCastle]

Given that every team no matter which league will have to play part at least of the season behind closed doors, everyone will suffer losses. The only reasonable loss I think Hearts can claim, is that in the championship they will have to play a maximum of 5 less home games. Season ticket holders will have to be compensated for this. At £400 a season ticket and 12,000 holders the loss will be approximately £1.3 million. This would be a reasonable compensation figure.

So just like all the clubs this past season where the season was cut short ? Money coming out some clubs own pockets ?!

Won’t happen and wishful thinking.

[hibbyfraelibby]

"for finishing last, i want 3 times what the winners get"

Even on actual prize money they are getting more than Hibs. For being relegated they are give £350k add that to 12th place money and they get paid more SPFL money than 7th to 11th. Talk about rewarding failure.

[Paisley Hibby]

No, that was David Winnie who was on stumbling and mumbling through his commentary - he was talking about losses in future years, should these clubs not gain immediate promotion back to the relevant leagues.

Richard Gordon immediately corrected him that these clubs couldnt reasonably claim for losses due to failure on the field of play next season.

Winnie did the classic "lawyer" thing of saying a lot without actually stating any real position or giving any reasonable or sensible conclusions.

When asked about the chances of the petition winning - again he sat on the fence and said it was no better than 50/50 :rolleyes:
When a lawyer says no better than 50/50 that means you've got little chance but there's just enough of an arguable case for them to justify taking a fee for arguing it on your behalf.

[hibbyfraelibby]

As I have alluded to a number of times before on other threads if you ever had the misfortune to actually deal with Budge in a work/business capacity you would understand things rarely ever came in on time, in budget or in scope. So why are we now surprised that her figures continually creep higher with every breath?

New stand given spec and similar builds should have been c£7m, she budgeted £10m, has currently spent £21m and projected to finally cost £24m.

She is just applying the same principles to her perceived losses. She was never a successful business woman...just a schiester.

[loanheadhibby]

Their lawyers get paid regardless.

Any lawyer working for the tramps better ensure they get paid their fees up front.

[KingPat4]

I did not see the point of David Winnie, he just slavered on without really saying anything, obviously no expert. My own feeling is that the SFA will stand firm and bring in FIFA if they have to. I don'think the BBC have helped the Poppy Thieves, because there has been so much personal stuff thrown at Doncaster and others. Every day that passes proves that Budge couldn't run a bath.

PS
The voice of Tom English has me reaching for the off switch.

[Sammy7nil]

I suppose like most people who read here and Kickback i swing from they have no chance to there will be reconstruction.

At the moment I feel the wind is in their favour i think their stance will make the SPFL and other clubs blink first and some sort of deal will be offered. Hearts will push for reconstruction and the premiership clubs will fold.

The media are again piling in on Hearts behalf sportsoumd was a joke they must have had ten people on and not one of them was capable of putting up a case for the majority of clubs who want to retain the 12 team league. It was yet again all about unfairness and how no one was willing to listen to Hearts (the minority in this case) demanding to be told publicly why clubs voted against reconstruction.

I really hope I am wrong but I now have a bad feeling about this.

Yet again their poor performance and incompetence will not be punished. if no club should lose out due to this Covid crisis Surely no club should benefit ?

[KingPat4]

I suppose like most people who read here and Kickback i swing from they have no chance to there will be reconstruction.

At the moment I feel the wind is in their favour i think their stance will make the SPFL and other clubs blink first and some sort of deal will be offered. Hearts will push for reconstruction and the premiership clubs will fold.

The media are again piling in on Hearts behalf sportsoumd was a joke they must have had ten people on and not one of them was capable of putting up a case for the majority of clubs who want to retain the 12 team league. It was yet again all about unfairness and how no one was willing to listen to Hearts (the minority in this case) demanding to be told publicly why clubs voted against reconstruction.

I really hope I am wrong but I now have a bad feeling about this.

Yet again their poor performance and incompetence will not be punished. if no club should lose out due to this Covid crisis Surely no club should benefit ?

Can't see the footie authorities caving in, they would be a laughing stock and mass resignations would have to follow.

[BS44]

Surely lawyers will take on almost any case if someone is willing to pay them?


Their lawyers get paid regardless.

Before handing over money they must have had a blether over a cup of tea with their own lawyers and been advised that they have a good argument with SPFL procedures. If it isn't a goer then the lawyers tell them to forget it


Are they going to take it all the way though? IMHO they are bluffing with the 8m claim in the hope that the SPFL bottle it and settle out of court for a lesser figure. If the SPFL stand strong and say “bring it on” Hear7s will find an excuse to appease their fans and withdraw their action.

Until they produce the numbers that got them to 8 mill nobody knows. Think they need a accountant similar to the one in The Ozarks to back up the 8 million claim

[green day]

At the moment I feel the wind is in their favour i think their stance will make the SPFL and other clubs blink first and some sort of deal will be offered. Hearts will push for reconstruction and the premiership clubs will fold.



As if to prove your point I will say that this wont happen.

Reconstruction is entirely dead, the fixtures are due out in a couple of weeks at the latest.

This is all about compensation - but unfortunately (and staggeringly) for their case Hearts have now involved Dundee Utd, Raith, Cove. This seems to me to be a major own goal and goes against everything they and Partick have said previously about "doing no harm".

[Waxy]

Flabbergasted at so called MP Murrays comments.Saying "Dundee utd say they'll go under if they dont get promoted and thats hearts arguement"?


Dundee utd deserve to be promoted on sporting merit same as hearts deserve to go down on sporting merit.What is wrong with these people?

[Waxy]

I suppose like most people who read here and Kickback i swing from they have no chance to there will be reconstruction.

At the moment I feel the wind is in their favour i think their stance will make the SPFL and other clubs blink first and some sort of deal will be offered. Hearts will push for reconstruction and the premiership clubs will fold.

The media are again piling in on Hearts behalf sportsoumd was a joke they must have had ten people on and not one of them was capable of putting up a case for the majority of clubs who want to retain the 12 team league. It was yet again all about unfairness and how no one was willing to listen to Hearts (the minority in this case) demanding to be told publicly why clubs voted against reconstruction.

I really hope I am wrong but I now have a bad feeling about this.

Yet again their poor performance and incompetence will not be punished. if no club should lose out due to this Covid crisis Surely no club should benefit ?
The games up the pole for them.The no club should lose out due to covid is just using moral high ground to cheat.
All clubs are suffering due to covid and hearts are adding to it.All the clubs could go to court saying they missed a chance to do better.
Hearts are suffering because they were rotten last season and got relegated.

[lucky]

I switched it off as they were just all repeating the same stuff about it being unfair. The problem with all the supposed experts not one have them have actually put anything into the game. All the ex players have earned their living from football and now broadcasting and all the journalists report on games. Not one of them will have bought a match ticket, shares or club merchandise but still want to tell club owners and fans that they are all wrong and the SPFL needs restructuring because teams finished bottom of the league before all the games could complete.

Apart from living off the back of the game they failed to get there can be no champions if no team is relegated. The prize for finishing 1st and last must be calculated in the same way. The clubs agreed to settle the leagues on a points per game basis. The SPFL is a democratic organisation (strange voting criteria) and voted to declare the leagues. Restructuring has been done to death clubs just don’t want it.

Time for broadcasters to catch up with the views of the majority of their listeners

[Waxy]

I switched it off as they were just all repeating the same stuff about it being unfair. The problem with all the supposed experts not one have them have actually put anything into the game. All the ex players have earned their living from football and now broadcasting and all the journalists report on games. Not one of them will have bought a match ticket, shares or club merchandise but still want to tell club owners and fans that they are all wrong and the SPFL needs restructuring because teams finished bottom of the league before all the games could complete.

Apart from living off the back of the game they failed to get there can be no champions if no team is relegated. The prize for finishing 1st and last must be calculated in the same way. The clubs agreed to settle the leagues on a points per game basis. The SPFL is a democratic organisation (strange voting criteria) and voted to declare the leagues. Restructuring has been done to death clubs just don’t want it.

Time for broadcasters to catch up with the views of the majority of their listeners
It only seems to be unfair on hearts in their eyes.what about hibs? we lost a place and money?If you let hearts off with relegation you'd have to let the playoffs happen.And what about teams who could still reach the playoffs? They were in a similar position to hearts really.if Arbroath could still make enough points they could win aplace in the premier? Surely they could go to court with the same arguement as hearts?

[Brunswickbill]

Sportsound pundits keep going on about the length of time this saga has taken and blame it on the SPFL. The SPFL got approval to call the leagues in April, the subsequent delay and all the stuff that has happened since then has been down to Sevco - investigation resolution- and Hearts - reconstruction and now court case. The pundits on Sportsound have been supporting the losing side all the way through this and have helped to create the “shambles” that the complain about. The vast majority of clubs and fans support the SPFL’s actions but the Sportsound crew, because of their blinkered view, refuse or unable to comprehend this.

[WhileTheChief..]

“Unfair” is their only argument.

They just keep banging on about it non stop oblivious to the fact that no one agrees with them!

[malcolm]

When they said Whinnie was a sports lawyer I assumed they meant he would understand this kinda stuff.

I think he’s more like like an agent, maybe helping players understand their contracts or buying a house or similar.

We need to hear from an actual lawyer, probably one with decades experience in corporate law.

He is an actual lawyer but as it seems he did his training in England and qualified in English law and specialises in sports law for an English law firm, I’d say he is no expert. :wink:

This issue although based around a sports club and a sports organisation is not one that is about the sport rather about the application of an organisation’s rules where the petitioner is asking the court to overrule the rules as they think it is not fair to them so ‘pretty please don’t relegate us’. They could have asked this if at the end of a normal season, they had ended up last. That would have been stupid but is not really far removed from the current position effectively - your last them’s the rules! Winnie will have no experience of the Scottish petition process or understanding of the principles of law involved.

I never listened but I’d guess having him on as an ‘expert’ is kind of illuminating as to the grasp they have of the issues.:greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

A quick google search on ‘sports lawyers’...

A Sports Lawyer’s job is to act as both a Lawyer and an Agent, representing the legal and financial interests of clients, which include Players, Coaches, and teams.

Typically, that entails a variety of duties, which your clients pay you to manage. For example, you secure and interpret employment contracts, and negotiate salaries, bonuses, and compensation. You also resolve contract and labor disputes, negotiate sponsorship deals, and defend clients in court against criminal charges as well as lawsuits brought against them for breach of contract, harassment, and other issues.

[Ozyhibby]

Sportsound pundits keep going on about the length of time this saga has taken and blame it on the SPFL. The SPFL got approval to call the leagues in April, the subsequent delay and all the stuff that has happened since then has been down to Sevco - investigation resolution- and Hearts - reconstruction and now court case. The pundits on Sportsound have been supporting the losing side all the way through this and have helped to create the “shambles” that the complain about. The vast majority of clubs and fans support the SPFL’s actions but the Sportsound crew, because of their blinkered view, refuse or unable to comprehend this.

To be fair to Sportsound they are probably desperate to hear from some of the clubs against but they can’t get them to come on the show.


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[CentreLine]

Maybe sportsound should invite Graeme Spiers on tin the show.

[Peevemor]

To be fair to Sportsound they are probably desperate to hear from some of the clubs against but they can’t get them to come on the show.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBecause no one club should have to stick it's head above the parapet to defend the status quo. Club owners and directors have already got enough to deal with without all this crap.

Radio Scotland employ enough pundits who should be able to at least play the devil's advocate against the pro-hearts guests.

They've failed miserably.

[Aldo]

All guff and a smokescreen to draw the hordes away from the £8 - £10 million debt accrued over the last few months since the season started.

Budge did say there was a shortfall of cash at agm in Nov/Dec? When Covid curtailed the season it was £3 million and now its £8-£10 million.

If their outgoings were 1.4 million a month as reported then that would make sense. 6 months would be in region of 8.4 million.

I maybe wrong but one minute they have a shortfall then the following week they have financial stability for 5 years??

This and them asking fans to donate more money providing details of their bank etc

Find it all pretty strange.


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[Ozyhibby]

I still think Hearts will come back with another proposal for a one year reconstruction that involves them taking no money but staying in the prem. so long as the other clubs are not losing out financially I think it could get passed.


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[Peevemor]

All guff and a smokescreen to draw the hordes away from the £8 - £10 million debt accrued over the last few months since the season started.

Budge did say there was a shortfall of cash at agm in Nov/Dec? When Covid curtailed the season it was £3 million and now its £8-£10 million.

If their outgoings were 1.4 million a month as reported then that would make sense. 6 months would be in region of 8.4 million.

I maybe wrong but one minute they have a shortfall then the following week they have financial stability for 5 years??

This and them asking fans to donate more money providing details of their bank etc

Find it all pretty strange.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's not strange, it's the Hearts' way.

[bawheid]

Because no one club should have to stick it's head above the parapet to defend the status quo. Club owners and directors have already got enough to deal with without all this crap.

Radio Scotland employ enough pundits who should be able to at least play the devil's advocate against the pro-hearts guests.

They've failed miserably.

Exactly. Part of a journalist’s job is to put forward to alternative view so that the proponents of a particular hypothesis can be challenged. They don’t have to agree with what they’re arguing, it should be part of the skill set.

Problem is, “Thommo”, “Doddsy” and “Terry” ain’t journalists. The ones who do pretend to be journalists are crap at it and get caught up in the moment. There’s no reasoned analysis.

Basically, it’s a complete editorial failure of which BBC Scotland should be ashamed.

[Peevemor]

I still think Hearts will come back with another proposal for a one year reconstruction that involves them taking no money but staying in the prem. so long as the other clubs are not losing out financially I think it could get passed.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNot a chance. The only way there'll be any reconstruction now is if it's enforced by the courts - and that isn't going to happen.

[Aldo]

It's not strange, it's the Hearts' way.

Ah yes indeed. Silly me!


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[Aldo]

I still think Hearts will come back with another proposal for a one year reconstruction that involves them taking no money but staying in the prem. so long as the other clubs are not losing out financially I think it could get passed.


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I cannot see it. The SPFL/ND need to stand strong here as this, for me anyway, sets a dangerous precedence!

I also think the SFA have set out their stall early and will monitor how it goes.

Budge/PTFC will hopefully get what’s coming to them.


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[weecounty hibby]

I cannot see it. The SPFL/ND need to stand strong here as this, for me anyway, sets a dangerous precedence!

I also think the SFA have set out their stall early and will monitor how it goes.

Budge/PTFC will hopefully get what’s coming to them.


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No way will the authorities back down on this. If they do it opens the floodgates for clubs to go to court anytime they are not happy with something.

[Aldo]

No way will the authorities back down on this. If they do it opens the floodgates for clubs to go to court anytime they are not happy with something.

This is how I see it. I think ND is prepared to go to court. Hopefully we get access to the SPFL response.

Budge will be getting it from all angles too once Utd/Cove and Raith get going!


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[Blaster]

I still think Hearts will come back with another proposal for a one year reconstruction that involves them taking no money but staying in the prem. so long as the other clubs are not losing out financially I think it could get passed.


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I think that has less chance than the permanent one. It would mean 3 clubs relegated.

[Waxy]

I still think Hearts will come back with another proposal for a one year reconstruction that involves them taking no money but staying in the prem. so long as the other clubs are not losing out financially I think it could get passed.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkits done and dusted. Set in stone.
The SPFL have it on their website.
The structure for next year will be 12-10-10-10.
Why should everyone bow down to hearts bullying when they dont have a case?

[Caversham Green]

Not a chance. The only way there'll be any reconstruction now is if it's enforced by the courts - and that isn't going to happen.

I'm not sure the courts would have the power to enforce reconstruction. They could order that HoMFC should be in the top league, but they can't tell the SPFL how to order their affairs beyond that.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

its done and dusted. Set in stone.
The SPFL have it on their website.
The structure for next year will be 12-10-10-10.
Why should everyone bow down to hearts bullying when they dont have a case?

Maybe 12-9-9-10 😉

[Brunswickbill]

This is how I see it. I think ND is prepared to go to court. Hopefully we get access to the SPFL response.

Budge will be getting it from all angles too once Utd/Cove and Raith get going!


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If Hearts win their case then I would think that Neil Doncaster’s job would be on the line. I think that he’s done a good job steering the SPFL through a very difficult period but if Hearts win the blame will lie at his door and the Sportsound cabal and Sevco will be after his head. Doncaster will want to fight it all the way not only to protect SPFL’s interests but also his own career.

[Waxy]

Maybe 12-9-9-10 😉Well we couldnt rule that out completely could we.

[FilipinoHibs]

I'm not sure the courts would have the power to enforce reconstruction. They could order that HoMFC should be in the top league, but they can't tell the SPFL how to order their affairs beyond that.

The French courts merely suspended relegation and asked the French league to look at a possible reorganisation of the top two leagues. In consultation with the clubs they have done that and rejected any change. The courts cannot tell a private company what to do. Tbe SPFL have been directed by the majority of clubs and had countless reconstruction proposals rejected by the clubs. The best the Thieves can hope for is some financial compensation which is what they are angling for to help bail them out of their financial chaos

[Viva_Palmeiras]

If Hearts win their case then I would think that Neil Doncaster’s job would be on the line. I think that he’s done a good job steering the SPFL through a very difficult period but if Hearts win the blame will lie at his door and the Sportsound cabal and Sevco will be after his head. Doncaster will want to fight it all the way not only to protect SPFL’s interests but also his own career.

Without looking at articles of association and rules, just logically, I see it as an inevitability that sooner rather than later there will be a breakaway forming a top tier league that frees itself from the shackles of the current voting system. Surely all this simply hastens the day - is this not what all the posturing and pavement dancing skirmishes is about?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Maybe 12-9-9-10 😉

Actually if Partick come to their senses and withdraw from the action and apologise then the SFA can smack their wrists and give them a token fine of say £1 whilst expelling Hurtz for breach of Articles 5.1.c and 99.7

Partick can then avoid relegation to replace a former Chumpionship side from Gorgie. Stranraer can stay in L1 and Kelty and Brora can have a wee play off for the vacancy in L2.

Sorted...simples

[Sammy7nil]

I wonder if it would be possible to get one Hearts mouthpiece to say you know what I can see both sides of this argument, Hearts were pish and they appear to be pushing reconstruction to get themselves out of a terrible position that they helped engineer to the detriment of Scottish football. Maybe adding Hearts know a 14 team league will be **** so does everyone at Tynecastle but we just want to save ourselves.

No I didn't think so either.

[h18eeynick]

Actually if Partick come to their senses and withdraw from the action and apologise then the SFA can smack their wrists and give them a token fine of say £1 whilst expelling Hurtz for breach of Articles 5.1.c and 99.7

Partick can then avoid relegation to replace a former Chumpionship side from Gorgie. Stranraer can stay in L1 and Kelty and Brora can have a wee play off for the vacancy in L2.

Sorted...simples

That is brilliant ! Best laugh of the day so far !! Wouldnt it be fantastic if that is how it played out !

[brog]

Before handing over money they must have had a blether over a cup of tea with their own lawyers and been advised that they have a good argument with SPFL procedures. If it isn't a goer then the lawyers tell them to forget



Until they produce the numbers that got them to 8 mill nobody knows. Think they need a accountant similar to the one in The Ozarks to back up the 8 million claim

I get the strong impression that people only tell Budge what she wants to hear.

[h18eeynick]

I get the strong impression that people only tell Budge what she wants to hear.

Just finished watching Ozark and probably the best tv program ever ! Was very clever. I told an IFA mate of mine about it last Saturday and he watched 8 episodes on the bounce ! Loved it. We are watching White Lines now which took us until about episode 3 to get in to it and watched Wanted which is set in Australia where our Hibby son lives and it was brill . 2 women on the run and lots of twists and turns . All on Netflix


Sorry - posted on wrong thread - it was the one above it I should have replied to that mentioned Ozark. Blame it on the Fathers Day glass of lunchtime wine !

[Keith_M]

Just finished watching Ozark and probably the best tv program ever ! Was very clever. I told an IFA mate of mine about it last Saturday and he watched 8 episodes on the bounce ! Loved it. We are watching White Lines now which took us until about episode 3 to get in to it and watched Wanted which is set in Australia where our Hibby son lives and it was brill . 2 women on the run and lots of twists and turns . All on Netflix


Sorry - posted on wrong thread - it was the one above it I should have replied to that mentioned Ozark. Blame it on the Fathers Day glass of lunchtime wine !


Ehm, very interesting, thanks for sharing that.


:greengrin

[hhibs]

Actually if Partick come to their senses and withdraw from the action and apologise then the SFA can smack their wrists and give them a token fine of say £1 whilst expelling Hurtz for breach of Articles 5.1.c and 99.7

Partick can then avoid relegation to replace a former Chumpionship side from Gorgie. Stranraer can stay in L1 and Kelty and Brora can have a wee play off for the vacancy in L2.

Sorted...simples

Wicked !!

[ancient hibee]

Without looking at articles of association and rules, just logically, I see it as an inevitability that sooner rather than later there will be a breakaway forming a top tier league that frees itself from the shackles of the current voting system. Surely all this simply hastens the day - is this not what all the posturing and pavement dancing skirmishes is about?

Any breakaway league would take themselves out of European football so I don’t see that happening.

[BILLYHIBS]

Just finished watching Ozark and probably the best tv program ever ! Was very clever. I told an IFA mate of mine about it last Saturday and he watched 8 episodes on the bounce ! Loved it. We are watching White Lines now which took us until about episode 3 to get in to it and watched Wanted which is set in Australia where our Hibby son lives and it was brill . 2 women on the run and lots of twists and turns . All on Netflix


Sorry - posted on wrong thread - it was the one above it I should have replied to that mentioned Ozark. Blame it on the Fathers Day glass of lunchtime wine !

👍

[franck sauzee]

I wonder if it would be possible to get one Hearts mouthpiece to say you know what I can see both sides of this argument, Hearts were pish and they appear to be pushing reconstruction to get themselves out of a terrible position that they helped engineer to the detriment of Scottish football. Maybe adding Hearts know a 14 team league will be **** so does everyone at Tynecastle but we just want to save ourselves.

No I didn't think so either.

I think as surprising at it is, I'm sure Gary Mackay did say that Hearts need to conduct themselves better and accept relegation. Was a while back

[Carheenlea]

Relentless :lolyam: Come on BBC - give it a rest

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[Waxy]

I think as surprising at it is, I'm sure Gary Mackay did say that Hearts need to conduct themselves better and accept relegation. Was a while backPretty certain he did, and the hearts fans were raging about it.next day there was a backtracking statement which said something like "when i said hearts need to conduct themselves better, i meant the SPFL need to conduct themselves better" You actually couldnt make some of this up.

[mjhibby]

I switched it off as they were just all repeating the same stuff about it being unfair. The problem with all the supposed experts not one have them have actually put anything into the game. All the ex players have earned their living from football and now broadcasting and all the journalists report on games. Not one of them will have bought a match ticket, shares or club merchandise but still want to tell club owners and fans that they are all wrong and the SPFL needs restructuring because teams finished bottom of the league before all the games could complete.

Apart from living off the back of the game they failed to get there can be no champions if no team is relegated. The prize for finishing 1st and last must be calculated in the same way. The clubs agreed to settle the leagues on a points per game basis. The SPFL is a democratic organisation (strange voting criteria) and voted to declare the leagues. Restructuring has been done to death clubs just don’t want it.

Time for broadcasters to catch up with the views of the majority of their listeners

It’s like their own little echo chamber. The vast majority of their audience believe it’s time to move on. Not actually catering to their audience.

[mjhibby]

I still think Hearts will come back with another proposal for a one year reconstruction that involves them taking no money but staying in the prem. so long as the other clubs are not losing out financially I think it could get passed.


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I’ll have what you’ve been drinking. Absolutely no chance. They have infuriated too many folk now for there to be any chance of reconstruction.

[JimBHibees]

Relentless :lolyam: Come on BBC - give it a rest

https://i.postimg.cc/VvNmWmxt/F999240-A-FF63-4481-BFFC-500-DC649-DA77.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1nbk9h5R)

Definitely a few yams hurting at the BBC.

[where'stheslope]

I’ll have what you’ve been drinking. Absolutely no chance. They have infuriated too many folk now for there to be any chance of reconstruction.
If they win their case, ( who knows on that one?) what will be the options?
If you push people into corners they tend to come out fighting!
Remember other countries leagues have been overturned, and in our case the SPFL and SFA have not excactly been shining lights in this voting fiasco!!!

[green day]

If they win their case, ( who knows on that one?) what will be the options?
If you push people into corners they tend to come out fighting!
Remember other countries leagues have been overturned, and in our case the SPFL and SFA have not excactly been shining lights in this voting fiasco!!!

There has been no country where the clubs made a decision to end the leagues and where a subsequent court case has "reinstated" a club to a newly enlarged division.

And, this had nothing to do with the SFA...................

[where'stheslope]

There has been no country where the clubs made a decision to end the leagues and where a subsequent court case has "reinstated" a club to a newly enlarged division.

And, this had nothing to do with the SFA...................
Sorry! I see how it has been misinterpreted, I meant other leagues had voted and the votes were overturned by the leagues representatives. (Dutch League, no promotion or relegation).
I also thought SPFL/ SFA were in it together.

[mjhibby]

If they win their case, ( who knows on that one?) what will be the options?
If you push people into corners they tend to come out fighting!
Remember other countries leagues have been overturned, and in our case the SPFL and SFA have not excactly been shining lights in this voting fiasco!!!

On what possible grounds can their argument stand that should be no relegation be upheld given that 81% voted for there to be relegation and 26 out of 42 voted against reconstruction. It would set an unbelievably bad precedent if they won plus of course would lead to them being sued for many millions.They are fighting only because they have cocked up so badly. I have no doubt they will lose and end up getting minimal compensation.

[Joe6-2]

In yesterday's podcast Tom English said that if you punch someone then you shouldn't be surprised if they punch you back as an analogy for Hearts bringing a court action. The idea being that the SPFL hit first.

A better analogy would be that Hearts are that pissed bloke in the nightclub who has been asked politely by the door staff to leave the VIP area.

Their reaction has been to whine that it's not fair. Conversation has gone like this.

Door Staff: Please leave

Hearts: That's not fair, the night is not over.

DS: Nightclub had to shut early, everyone is leaving. By the way, when we reopen you won't be in the VIP lounge.

H: What? That's not fair. I could get violent. You wouldn't want me to do that.

DS: Dundee United have been waiting patiently for their turn and, to be honest, you have just embarrassed yourself.

H: What about St Mirren and Hamilton? They're almost as bad.

DS: They can handle their drink sir.

H: Don't you know who I am? I am somebody round here.

DS: Unfortunately, someone has to leave to let United in.

H: Why don't you let more people into the VIP lounge? Surely we could all get in. Even my mate ICT.

DS: The lounge can only really accommodate the numbers we currently have. Letting in more people would only ruin the whole experience for everyone in there.

H: **** them. I mean I have spent a lot of money in the VIP lounge.

DS: To be honest, you bought a lot of overpriced drinks and pissed the rest up against that glass curtain. Can't really blame everyone else for that.

H: I have a mate who has loads of money. He could buy and sell this place. If he gave you some money would you let us in?

DS: There's no room! But if your friend wants to buy everyone a drink that would be nice. No strings attached.

H: He just did that. Can we get back into the VIP lounge now?

DS: No.

Hearts then throw a rather lame and telegraphed punch with no real weight behind it. Their whiney wee pal Patrick is there to back them up.

All the other people in the VIP lounge - including those two ugly sisters who everyone is afraid of - and everyone else in the nightclub say "**** this, throw those two out!"

DS: You and your pal are barred. Sine die.

H: Bully!

Brilliant!

[Joe6-2]

I still think Hearts will come back with another proposal for a one year reconstruction that involves them taking no money but staying in the prem. so long as the other clubs are not losing out financially I think it could get passed.


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I would hope they would be told, in no uncertain terms, to GTF!

[Joe6-2]

Pretty certain he did, and the hearts fans were raging about it.next day there was a backtracking statement which said something like "when i said hearts need to conduct themselves better, i meant the SPFL need to conduct themselves better" You actually couldnt make some of this up.

Well he certainly did!!

[green day]

Todays BBC Hearts program features Craig Levein and Steven Pressley.

I **** you not...............

[RoxburghHibs]

Todays daily BBC podcast includes Levein and Pressley talking about Neilson's appointment. Oh some Hearts content just for a change...

[Coco Bryce]

Todays daily BBC podcast includes Levein and Pressley talking about Neilson's appointment. Oh some Hearts content just for a change...

BBC Heartsound

[greenpaper55]

Just re name it Hearts radio.

[Hibby70]

All we hear is Radio Gorgie

[Col2]

I flicked through it. It’s another **** show.

Pressley squealing like a pig and Levein has found his new home. Speaking as if he was some of success and replaying private chats with Neilson about coming back.

Pressley even had time to comment on Hibs mothballing academy intimating it was linked to the Hearts debacle.

Sick of that show. Won’t listen again. If I had time I would complain about the bias but it’s pointless.

The funny think is. No matter how much they talk about it again and again and again......Hearts won 4 games, wasted millions, went through 3 managers and are playing Arbroath and Alloa next season but only starting if and when others can start. Losers, top to bottom losers.

[Ronniekirk]

The Love In Continues


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[Coco Bryce]

Just heard it on BBC news.

Pressley extremely worried for the financial future of Dundee United :rolleyes:

Turned of when Levein came on.

[Peevemor]

Just heard it on BBC news.

Pressley extremely worried for the financial future of Dundee United :rolleyes:

Turned of when Levein came on.

Unfortunately for him they only need to last until the start of the season.

[greenginger]

The Love In Continues


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It it makes you think some of the BBC staff must be on the Hearts payroll too. Surely that couldn’t happen. !

Who mention Charlie Mann :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Todays BBC Hearts program features Craig Levein and Steven Pressley.

I **** you not...............

Levein on for the third time in 3 weeks, wow just got to hope he gets a football job as sounds like he has one to fall back on. Incredible to be honest.

[Carheenlea]

“I agree with Craig”

“I agree with Steven”

Well done Sportsound - smashing debate and a great show :applause:

[jingler1954]

Why are Hearts on the BBC Sport app as a premier league side? Do the BBC know something we don’t.

[ancient hibee]

I think it’s only right that the BBC should be paying appearance money to giants of Scottish football.

[green day]

Levein on for the third time in 3 weeks, wow just got to hope he gets a football job as sounds like he has one to fall back on. Incredible to be honest.

I wouldnt mind if he had something different to say each week.

Its the same with Neil McCann, he doesnt have an original thought rattling around the vacuum between his ears and it becomes unlistenable.

By the way, in case anyone thinks this is just a "Hibs fans" complaint - it isnt. There are a lot of people getting turned off by Sportsound, not because of any perceived Hearts bias, but because it has become boring, predictable and the guest list are interchangeable idiots.

BBC really needs to sort it out, and if there was a decent alternative I would be on like a shot - some people have mentioned Superscoreboard but its just too much Rangers/Celtic.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Levein and Pressley. Monotone monotony.

[Kato]

Expert pundits- the disaster laden Harry Potter who has won nowt and Pressley who takes a month of Sundays to say any sentence.

Radio Hell

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[JimBHibees]

“I agree with Craig”

“I agree with Steven”

Well done Sportsound - smashing debate and a great show :applause:

:faf:

[Billy Whizz]

Think I’ll be giving this podcast a miss, dislike both of them, and I can’t decide which one I dislike most

[JimBHibees]

I wouldnt mind if he had something different to say each week.

Its the same with Neil McCann, he doesnt have an original thought rattling around the vacuum between his ears and it becomes unlistenable.

By the way, in case anyone thinks this is just a "Hibs fans" complaint - it isnt. There are a lot of people getting turned off by Sportsound, not because of any perceived Hearts bias, but because it has become boring, predictable and the guest list are interchangeable idiots.

BBC really needs to sort it out, and if there was a decent alternative I would be on like a shot - some people have mentioned Superscoreboard but its just too much Rangers/Celtic.

Can't argue with that listened to some of yesterday's show and was Brian McLaughlin, chick young who has retired from the show about ten times, Steven Thompson who honestly don't think has an original opinion and Faddy who personally don't mind. Tortuous in the main.

[JimBHibees]

Think I’ll be giving this podcast a miss, dislike both of them, and I can’t decide which one I dislike most

Yep like two bald men fighting over a comb to decide which is the most dislikeable.

[Sammy7nil]

That was a complete FECCKING JOKE


Slag off Dundee Utd call them out for lack of cash and bad financial management. Allude that they are about to go pop.
Trumpet how well Hearts are run
Hearts have LOTS of money
Every Other club in Scotland outside Hearts OF are skint - How will our brave young boys get a game no one else can afford to play - Let Hearts save Scottish football :-(
Paying compensation whilst shafting your own players is what BIG clubs do.
Yet again carry on the fantasy Hearts have not been relegated. They must be called out on that.
Anne Budgie is an Angel the rest of Scottish Football are evil even those that supported Hearts in vote.
Every club deserves to be crushed under they mighty Hearts
Craig wants to manage Dundee Utd


Elvis wants any job anything at all other than D Utd as they are about to go bust.


Did I miss anything?

Oh sorry forgot to say
Neil Doncaster must ensure all the clubs fold and do as Hearts have told them
Hearts are great and Robbie will have them at the top end of the Premiership challenging for top honours

[Jim44]

Levein and Pressley. Monotone monotony.

Their ability to articulate anything in their monotonous voices is painful. They make Jim Jeffries sound interesting.

[Del Boy]

The BBC podcast is like a Hearts fanzine. Pressley is a bell end and was very disrespectful towards Dundee United.

[Carheenlea]

That was a complete FECCKING JOKE


Slag off Dundee Utd call them out for lack of cash and bad financial management. Allude that they are about to go pop.
Trumpet how well Hearts are run
Hearts have LOTS of money
Every Other club in Scotland outside Hearts OF are skint - How will our brave young boys get a game no one else can afford to play - Let Hearts save Scottish football :-(
Paying compensation whilst shafting your own players is what BIG clubs do.
Yet again carry on the fantasy Hearts have not been relegated. They must be called out on that.
Anne Budgie is an Angel the rest of Scottish Football are evil even those that supported Hearts in vote.
Every club deserves to be crushed under they mighty Hearts
Craig wants to manage Dundee Utd


Elvis wants any job anything at all other than D Utd as they are about to go bust.


Did I miss anything?

Oh sorry forgot to say
Neil Doncaster must ensure all the clubs fold and do as Hearts have told them
Hearts are great and Robbie will have them at the top end of the Premiership challenging for top honours

And Kenny McIntyre closes the episode by thanking both guests and saying “great stuff!”

Glad you thought so Kenny, but that really was a shocker of a show.

[Coco Bryce]

The BBC podcast is like a Hearts fanzine. Pressley is a bell end and was very disrespectful towards Dundee United.

And nobody really give a **** what loser Levein thinks.

[Sammy7nil]

And Kenny McIntyre closes the episode by thanking both guests and saying “great stuff!”

Glad you thought so Kenny, but that really was a shocker of a show.

Yeah forgot that it was a complete duck up start to finish. :greengrin

Surprise surprise our Gorgie chums thought it was outstanding and an absolute must listen :rolleyes:

[poolman]

Yeah forgot that it was a complete duck up start to finish. :greengrin

Surprise surprise our Gorgie chums thought it was outstanding and an absolute must listen :rolleyes:


Hah ! The pink brigade couldn't wait to get rid of them and now they are " outstanding " on a Hearts radio program 🙄

[Peevemor]

Levein and Pressley. Monotone monotony.The Vagina Monologues, one could say.

[Col2]

Levein and Pressley. Monotone monotony.

Add in Neil McCann and Tom English with Kenny McIntyre as host and it’s the worst combination in history.

[steviehibsleith]

Seems some angst at Sportsound appearing to favour Hearts as only Hearts related people continually on

If you listen at the start a number of times I’ve heard them say we have tried to get this person or that on the show but declined.

Look what happened to Donald Findlay, TE and Levein went for him. Fortunately in his case he’s pretty useful when it comes to heated debate/arguments butI think many Chairman or other teams representatives don’t want on in case they say something deemed as being wrong.
Right now it you say anything negative about Hearts they gang up and say it’s unfair relegating a team and bash out reconstruction is the best option so no team is punished
Dare to say the 14 team setup is terrible or Teams will lose substantial money if two additional teams are in SPFL and your only thinking of yourselves ....

The 9-3 vote Showed what teams in SPFL think and so did lower leagues vote.

[Jim44]

Sportsound is seriously in danger of disappearing up it’s own maroon ar$e. They should have a good, long hard look at their editorial performance over the past couple of months. The moaning about it seems to come from us Hibby’s, for fairly obvious reasons, but I’m surprised that the Ugly Sisters’ fans don’t seem to give a toss about it,

[Tug Wilson]

Seems some angst at Sportsound appearing to favour Hearts as only Hearts related people continually on

If you listen at the start a number of times I’ve heard them say we have tried to get this person or that on the show but declined.

Look what happened to Donald Findlay, TE and Levein went for him. Fortunately in his case he’s pretty useful when it comes to heated debate/arguments butI think many Chairman or other teams representatives don’t want on in case they say something deemed as being wrong.
Right now it you say anything negative about Hearts they gang up and say it’s unfair relegating a team and bash out reconstruction is the best option so no team is punished
Dare to say the 14 team setup is terrible or Teams will lose substantial money if two additional teams are in SPFL and your only thinking of yourselves ....

The 9-3 vote Showed what teams in SPFL think and so did lower leagues vote.

Exactly. Saw someone post that after his interview released today that Ron Gordon should go on Sportsound.

Absolutely not. What would be achieved?

The panel would just ask/hound him about reconstruction and how did Hibs vote. They would hassle him about Hibs finances, mothballing the academy and generally give him a hard time.

Ron does not need the grief.

He is just getting on with the job in hand.

[H18 SFR]

I haven’t listened to Sportsound since driving the last game before the lockdown, however as crap as it is, and I do think it’s utter dross, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the podcasts are returning great numbers. It’s one of the most talked about things on here for a start, it’s definitely ‘trending’, that’s for sure.

[Onion]

Seems some angst at Sportsound appearing to favour Hearts as only Hearts related people continually on

If you listen at the start a number of times I’ve heard them say we have tried to get this person or that on the show but declined.

Look what happened to Donald Findlay, TE and Levein went for him. Fortunately in his case he’s pretty useful when it comes to heated debate/arguments butI think many Chairman or other teams representatives don’t want on in case they say something deemed as being wrong.
Right now it you say anything negative about Hearts they gang up and say it’s unfair relegating a team and bash out reconstruction is the best option so no team is punished
Dare to say the 14 team setup is terrible or Teams will lose substantial money if two additional teams are in SPFL and your only thinking of yourselves ....

The 9-3 vote Showed what teams in SPFL think and so did lower leagues vote.

Cannot overstate how important that result was. Had is been 10-2 for - or whatever those that are ITK had predicted - the howling and squealing from the BBC and Hearts would be horrific. As it is, they were creamed, hammered, put in their place and shown precisely what others thought of Budge and her pathetic wee club. All we're waiting for now is the Fat Jambo Judge to start singing and it's game over.

[007]

The most interesting bit about today's show was Levein's comments about the court case.

"The fans want her to fight so she has to fight. And I know she didn't want to go to court but she's done it...."

Wonder why she didn't want to go to court. Could it just be the principle of taking legal action against someone and in this instance trying to shaft 3 clubs? Could it be just the actual hassle factor? Or could it be because she doesn't fancy her chances of winning?

[Jones28]

Well that’ll be Levein a regular pundit now. Cheerio sportsound, I hope that trumpet covers our home games against fellow premier league teams.

[greenlex]

The most interesting bit about today's show was Levein's comments about the court case.

"The fans want her to fight so she has to fight. And I know she didn't want to go to court but she's done it...."

Wonder why she didn't want to go to court. Could it just be the principle of taking legal action against someone and in this instance trying to shaft 3 clubs? Could it be just the actual hassle factor? Or could it be because she doesn't fancy her chances of winning?
The latter.

[WhileTheChief..]

Exactly. Saw someone post that after his interview released today that Ron Gordon should go on Sportsound.

Absolutely not. What would be achieved?

The panel would just ask/hound him about reconstruction and how did Hibs vote. They would hassle him about Hibs finances, mothballing the academy and generally give him a hard time.

Ron does not need the grief.

He is just getting on with the job in hand.

Yeah, you missed the smiley I put on that post!

Point is though, if you don’t want people from other clubs on the show this is what you end up with.

Personally, I think Ron could cope fine being interviewed by Tom English or Stephen Thompson!

If Hibs, Celtic, Rangers Aberdeen etc had all been on saying they voted against it because it was a naff idea then the tone of the show would be entirely different. As it is, Hearts are the only ones with something to moan about so they’re all happy to have a shot at it.

The problem is, they all just say the same thing. Over and over again. It’s no fair.......

[Waxy]

Yeah, you missed the smiley I put on that post!

Point is though, if you don’t want people from other clubs on the show this is what you end up with.

Personally, I think Ron could cope fine being interviewed by Tom English or Stephen Thompson!

If Hibs, Celtic, Rangers Aberdeen etc had all been on saying they voted against it because it was a naff idea then the tone of the show would be entirely different. As it is, Hearts are the only ones with something to moan about so they’re all happy to have a shot at it.

The problem is, they all just say the same thing. Over and over again. It’s no fair.......When actually, it is fair.

[GonzoReturns]

Ron is probably like ‘Tom who’

[Jdawg]

Pressley’s voice could send you into a coma. Boring, blethering moron.

[Billy Whizz]

Pressley’s voice could send you into a coma. Boring, blethering moron.

Thank god we don’t have to see him

[007]

Ron is probably like ‘Tom who’

The Peruvian Football podcast has an eejit from Argentina call Tom Ecuador.

[GonzoReturns]

The Peruvian Football podcast has an eejit from Argentina call Tom Ecuador.

😂😂

[Waxy]

The Peruvian Football podcast has an eejit from Argentina call Tom Ecuador.Someone just shouted "Equador" in my head then a jumpy ravey tune started blasting.

[-Jonesy-]

Pressley’s voice could send you into a coma. Boring, blethering moron.

Substitute geography teacher voice

[Jim44]

Substitute geography teacher voice

....... was Billy Brown a geography teacher ........ he’s been places, ye ken. :greengrin

[plhibs]

Glad i checked this thread, i try to listen to this sometime during the day bit when i saw who was on i thought what's the point, just more Hearts garbage,thanks guys.

[Springbank]

The Peruvian Football podcast has an eejit from Argentina call Tom Ecuador.

IIRC Tom Ecuador - he's an expert in Polo & Rugby Union, never heard of Maradona, and has no interest in Boca or River Plate as it's the self-appointed third club that Tom's exclusively interested in.
And if that club is Newell's Old Boys then Tom will sense that's potentially "too Hibs" & to guffaws from Doddsy, Biscotti & Fergie Tom will jolly well give them a nickname of Robbo's Old Boys from now on...

[Carheenlea]

Steven Pressley really does have a high opinion of himself.

It’s not a trait that makes you endearing to others but one that would make him an ideal candidate for the Director of Football role at Tynecastle.

[hibsbollah]

The Peruvian Football podcast has an eejit from Argentina call Tom Ecuador.
:not worth:not worth

[Green-Hibee-7]

Don’t know if it is a reason as to why they are having a Hearts love fest at the moment but do the BBC not have that fly on the wall documentary similar to the Sunderland thing on netflix with Hearts.

I’m guessing the contacts from Hearts and the BBC probably got cosy over the months recording that.

Not listened in since games were off and fully intend on keeping it that way. Not going to be listening to an Irish rugby loving journo try to lecture people on Scottish football.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

They are dedicating a lot of time to a lower division team

[James Stephen]

The Peruvian Football podcast has an eejit from Argentina call Tom Ecuador.

This deserves more credit! 🤣

[James Stephen]

I would love to know the criteria for sportsound appointing pundits.

Given the way it works, its hard to conclude anything other than its a pals network and the producers are either very unimaginative, or constrained in their choices.

I mean derek ferguson can barely talk, surely that it is a pretty important pre requisite for a job on the radio?

Also, i get that tom english has his view, but surely a joirnos job is to present the info, and if he has to take an opinion, to base it on the journalistic merits of the argument? To so forcefully advocate for one side in a HIGHLY debatable issue is strange.

He is doing the professional equivalent of putting his fingers in his ears, closing his eyes and shouting IM NOT LISTENING very loudly, which is really bizarre for a senior BBC journo to be doing.

Maybe all his years reporting on rugby have got him too close to the hearts establishment types?

[green day]

On the Hearts documentary, it would be great if the voiceover was provided by Tom English.

His tears and snotters at the end would be delicious :greengrin.

[Brunswickbill]

I would love to know the criteria for sportsound appointing pundits.

Given the way it works, its hard to conclude anything other than its a pals network and the producers are either very unimaginative, or constrained in their choices.

I mean derek ferguson can barely talk, surely that it is a pretty important pre requisite for a job on the radio?

Also, i get that tom english has his view, but surely a joirnos job is to present the info, and if he has to take an opinion, to base it on the journalistic merits of the argument? To so forcefully advocate for one side in a HIGHLY debatable issue is strange.

He is doing the professional equivalent of putting his fingers in his ears, closing his eyes and shouting IM NOT LISTENING very loudly, which is really bizarre for a senior BBC journo to be doing.

Maybe all his years reporting on rugby have got him too close to the hearts establishment types?

You are absolutely correct on English. He is supposed to be a reporter and as such you would expect him to be in touch with how clubs are thinking but he has been totally blindsided by the results of the various votes. I guess that this is due to the fact that he doesn’t do his job as a reporter and instead spouts his own opinions and acts as an advocate for a chosen few clubs. As a result I suspect that the majority of clubs don’t trust him to report their views fairly and don’t like his hectoring biased approach to interviews.

[Sammy7nil]

I would love to know the criteria for sportsound appointing pundits.

Given the way it works, its hard to conclude anything other than its a pals network and the producers are either very unimaginative, or constrained in their choices.

I mean derek ferguson can barely talk, surely that it is a pretty important pre requisite for a job on the radio?

Also, i get that tom english has his view, but surely a joirnos job is to present the info, and if he has to take an opinion, to base it on the journalistic merits of the argument? To so forcefully advocate for one side in a HIGHLY debatable issue is strange.

He is doing the professional equivalent of putting his fingers in his ears, closing his eyes and shouting IM NOT LISTENING very loudly, which is really bizarre for a senior BBC journo to be doing.

Maybe all his years reporting on rugby have got him too close to the hearts establishment types?

:greengrin :tee hee: :aok:

[ancient hibee]

I would love to know the criteria for sportsound appointing pundits.

Given the way it works, its hard to conclude anything other than its a pals network and the producers are either very unimaginative, or constrained in their choices.

I mean derek ferguson can barely talk, surely that it is a pretty important pre requisite for a job on the radio?

Also, i get that tom english has his view, but surely a joirnos job is to present the info, and if he has to take an opinion, to base it on the journalistic merits of the argument? To so forcefully advocate for one side in a HIGHLY debatable issue is strange.

He is doing the professional equivalent of putting his fingers in his ears, closing his eyes and shouting IM NOT LISTENING very loudly, which is really bizarre for a senior BBC journo to be doing.

Maybe all his years reporting on rugby have got him too close to the hearts establishment types?

Qualifications for being a pundit.

1. Get sacked from a job in football because you are no good at it.
2. Have an OF connection
3. Have no media training

[Sammy7nil]

Daily Jumbo radio podcast available https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08hrxl5

Jim McInally, Tom English, Daryl Broadfoot not listened yet.

[Sammy7nil]

FFS Tom continues his crusade. Asked why The Budgie has gone back on her promise to accept relegation. It appears she was simply lying to broker a deal and has been "forced" in to court action. It is not fair ect etc.

"Neil Doncaster is hopless"

[Sammy7nil]

Balanced debate what do you think Jim ? "Scottish football is a disgrace it is not fair etc etc "

The usual balanced debate.

[Sammy7nil]

Tom slagging off D Utd wage to turnover and how they run the club.

Wonder why there is never any mention of how Hearts business model is reliant on Mr Benefactor and even then they are publishing bank account details begging for money. Well run club though the model for all of Scottish football to follow.

[grunt]

Tom slagging off D Utd wage to turnover and how they run the club.

Wonder why there is never any mention of how Hearts business model is reliant on Mr Benefactor and even then they are publishing bank account details begging for money. Well run club though the model for all of Scottish football to follow.Hearts had a wages to turnover ratio of 120% in the Romanov days.

[Rumble de Thump]

It's not a great business model for a club to be relying on someone pumping money into it but at least the Dundee United ower is ready, willing and able to do it. Hearts have an owner that loaned them some cash and wanted it paid back at a high interest rate. Has she actually put a penny into the club without wanted it paid back with interest? And she relies on donations, which she wastes by the millions. That's not even a business model. It's a disaster.

[hibbyfraelibby]

BBC Scotland announce 60 jobs to go...we can but wish the cull starts with the fanboys at Sportsound.

[nonshinyfinish]

Hearts had a wages to turnover ratio of 120% in the Romanov days.

One season they got it down to 83% by reporting turnover to wages instead. :hilarious

[green day]

Daily Jumbo radio podcast available https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08hrxl5

Jim McInally, Tom English, Daryl Broadfoot not listened yet.


FFS Tom continues his crusade. Asked why The Budgie has gone back on her promise to accept relegation. It appears she was simply lying to broker a deal and has been "forced" in to court action. It is not fair ect etc.

"Neil Doncaster is hopless"


Balanced debate what do you think Jim ? "Scottish football is a disgrace it is not fair etc etc "

The usual balanced debate.


Tom slagging off D Utd wage to turnover and how they run the club.

Wonder why there is never any mention of how Hearts business model is reliant on Mr Benefactor and even then they are publishing bank account details begging for money. Well run club though the model for all of Scottish football to follow.

You need to stop torturing yourself mate, every fan except Hearts knows he is a trumpet and has basically lost it.

I wont listen again until Budge loses the court case..............now that will be an epic one :aok:

[WhileTheChief..]

It will be the same until this is all sorted out. Just avoid if you can’t take it.

English has said nothing new today that hasn’t been said every day for weeks.

[Coco Bryce]

You need to stop torturing yourself mate, every fan except Hearts knows he is a trumpet and has basically lost it.

I wont listen again until Budge loses the court case..............now that will be an epic one :aok:

I refuse to listen to anything that annoying man is on now. Just turn it right off.