Sportsound

[Fuzzywuzzy]

He's actually responded to someone on Twitter which in itself and claims it's his "opinion" He's giving rather than being rather biased

[percy veer]

He's actually responded to someone on Twitter which in itself and claims it's his "opinion" He's giving rather than being rather biased

Would be good if they reported facts , rather than opinion.

[Eyrie]

One season they got it down to 83% by reporting turnover to wages instead. :hilarious

:top marks

[A Hi-Bee]

Would be good if they reported facts , rather than opinion.

Then Tam English wid be nae use as a bbc reporter. They are there to report the news not to try and make it, self indulgent ****in hypocrites.

[Alan62]

Managed to catch up with the last two Heartish Football podcasts from Radio Heartsound today. Oh my god, Steven Pressley. What the actual F*** was that all about? How thick is he? Jeez, he makes Yogi sound like Einstein. That ploddy way he speaks, extending syllables presumably because he's trying to understand what he's saying before he just says it. Awful.

As for the content in both shows, absolutely moronic. Daryl Broadfoot makes the occasional attempt to add a little sense but the shows are largely pitiful.

And when is someone going to point out to the idiots that they bring on to the show that the reason Scottish Football didn't back league reconstruction is that the plan was absolutely honking. NOBODY wants a 14 team top league. It doesn't work. And, chaps, if you're listening, it's IMPOSSIBLE to come up with a plan where nobody loses. Next they'll be suggesting that every game next season should be a 1-1 draw just in case someone feels hard done by if they miss out on what could have been if they had only scored more goals.

Tragic. Really must stop listening.

[FilipinoHibs]

I refuse to listen to anything that annoying man is on now. Just turn it right off.

I stopped listening a long time ago after the Rangers "Orange" shirt debate. How they have somebody like Derek Ferguson on who can barely think and speak is beyond me. Lots of intelligent ex footballers to choose from.

[bigwheel]

I am in the minority I guess, I like Derek Ferguson on radio. Sure, he doesn’t have perfect vocabulary, but he has passion for football. Comes over genuine and loves the game...I like the fact he gets excited over any game, not just the big matches - would rather have him than many of the others....


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[Andymac85]

What’s happened to Michael Stewart? Was a regular until quite recently and now nowhere to be seen.

[Treadstone]

I am in the minority I guess, I like Derek Ferguson on radio. Sure, he doesn’t have perfect vocabulary, but he has passion for football. Comes over genuine and loves the game...I like the fact he gets excited over any game, not just the big matches - would rather have him than many of the others....


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Me too. Although better when it's spontaneous and they go to him when something has happened. The prepared half and full time reports are a bit cringe.

[James Stephen]

Me too. Although better when it's spontaneous and they go to him when something has happened. The prepared half and full time reports are a bit cringe.

He sounds like a 6 year old standing up in fron of class reading a chapter from a book he doesnt understand.

[Moulin Yarns]

What’s happened to Michael Stewart? Was a regular until quite recently and now nowhere to be seen.

He has his own opinion. Didn't fit with the agenda.

[Brunswickbill]

What’s happened to Michael Stewart? Was a regular until quite recently and now nowhere to be seen.

He seemed to back off a few weeks back. I think that he had enough self awareness to realise that there were two sides to the Hearts debacle and his idea of a temporary but could be permanent reconstruction suited no-one. I reckon that he didn’t want to alienate himself from his Jambo fans and didn’t want to be seen to be hand in glove with English. Sensible option was to lie low until it’s all done then he can return with the line that it’s dreadfully unfair but let’s get on with the new season.

[JimBHibees]

Managed to catch up with the last two Heartish Football podcasts from Radio Heartsound today. Oh my god, Steven Pressley. What the actual F*** was that all about? How thick is he? Jeez, he makes Yogi sound like Einstein. That ploddy way he speaks, extending syllables presumably because he's trying to understand what he's saying before he just says it. Awful.

As for the content in both shows, absolutely moronic. Daryl Broadfoot makes the occasional attempt to add a little sense but the shows are largely pitiful.

And when is someone going to point out to the idiots that they bring on to the show that the reason Scottish Football didn't back league reconstruction is that the plan was absolutely honking. NOBODY wants a 14 team top league. It doesn't work. And, chaps, if you're listening, it's IMPOSSIBLE to come up with a plan where nobody loses. Next they'll be suggesting that every game next season should be a 1-1 draw just in case someone feels hard done by if they miss out on what could have been if they had only scored more goals.

Tragic. Really must stop listening.

This sums up exactly what has not been discussed by that show. No one wants a terrible 14 league with 6/8 split and there is no model in which nobody loses. We have lost 125k or so but have accepted it and moved on.

[Leitherhibs]

John Collins is on it today talking about his career (mainly Celtic) and his time managing Hibs, well worth a listen...

[Kojock]

Today’s BBC Sportsound podcast interesting interview with John Collins talking about his time as a manager at Hibs and his dealings with Kevin Thomson, Mikey Stewart etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08hvm1q

[Frazerbob]

Great listen. Finally lifting the lid on the piss poor behaviour of some of the players. Get him back!

[Peevemor]

Great listen. Finally lifting the lid on the piss poor behaviour of some of the players. Get him back!

Naaahhh!

[Leitherhibs]

Great listen. Finally lifting the lid on the piss poor behaviour of some of the players. Get him back!

I've always liked listening to him speak, I was particularly impressed by how balanced he was, stating he could've done some things differently, perhaps tried to change too much too soon. Also liked what he had to say about professionalism of the game here, players (particularly youth) only training once a day etc.

[Coco Bryce]

Great listen. Finally lifting the lid on the piss poor behaviour of some of the players. Get him back!

Let's not. He loves himself too much.

[Joe6-2]

Great listen. Finally lifting the lid on the piss poor behaviour of some of the players. Get him back!

Not sure totally what went on at the time, but I really thought the board should have backed him more

[Peevemor]

Not sure totally what went on at the time, but I really thought the board should have backed him more

The squad he left us with, many signed by him, set us back years.

[The Harp Awakes]

Let's not. He loves himself too much.

Whether he loves himself or not, JC was a class act as a player, and one of the few Managers alive who won us a Cup.

Had to sell Hibs boy band of players, raking in a fortune for the club and got pennies in return to bring in replacements. Shabbily treated by the players and Chairman. His ambitions for Hibs were not matched by the board or players.

Yes, maybe he had some personality traits which contributed to his downfall, but who doesn’t? Up there with our all time greats as both a player and a Manager.

[hibbysam]

Whether he loves himself or not, JC was a class act as a player, and one of the few Managers alive who won us a Cup.

Had to sell Hibs boy band of players, raking in a fortune for the club and got pennies in return to bring in replacements. Shabbily treated by the players and Chairman. His ambitions for Hibs were not matched by the board or players.

Yes, maybe he had some personality traits which contributed to his downfall, but who doesn’t? Up there with our all time greats as both a player and a Manager.

He wanted to spend millions for Stevie Naismith, that’s not ambition, that’s just plain daft. If you expected hibs to pay that, while opening a new training ground and building a new stand then I’m afraid you’ve played too much football manager.

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

Great listen

[HendoDelivered]

KT not a happy bunny about it on Twitter

[we are hibs]

KT not a happy bunny about it on Twitter

Its never ever his fault. Always everyone elses.

[Carheenlea]

KT not a happy bunny about it on Twitter

Kevin Thomson completely denies some of John Collins’ version of some events discussed on the show.

Thought it was a good listen and interesting to hear his views on training and Scottish footballers lifestyle. Without knowing the true facts to some of the stories surrounding KT it’s hard to get a feeling as to whose version is the most accurate. Perhaps a case of embellishment on both sides, but pretty clear there is no love lost between the two.

[grunt]

KT not a happy bunny about it on Twitter

https://twitter.com/KThomsonAcademy/status/1275823823028396039?s=20

[brog]

He wanted to spend millions for Stevie Naismith, that’s not ambition, that’s just plain daft. If you expected hibs to pay that, while opening a new training ground and building a new stand then I’m afraid you’ve played too much football manager.

£800k is not millions.

[Kojock]

KT not a happy bunny about it on Twitter

One of them is being economical with the truth. It’s difficult to know who to believe.

[1875Sean]

For some reason I don’t believe Collins in relation to most things he said during his time at Hibs, don’t get me wrong he was a cracking player but as a manager he has far too much of an ego, all those players that turned on him can’t be wrong

[The Harp Awakes]

For some reason I don’t believe Collins in relation to most things he said during his time at Hibs, don’t get me wrong he was a cracking player but as a manager he has far too much of an ego, all those players that turned on him can’t be wrong

The same players that rebelled when Collins told them they had to stop bevvying up George Street and focus on being football players. Terrible advice eh?

[Logie Green]

Me too. Although better when it's spontaneous and they go to him when something has happened. The prepared half and full time reports are a bit cringe.

He speaks as if English is not his first language. However I’d rather listen to him than the likes of that twat Robbie Savage on Radio Five.

[brog]

The squad he left us with, many signed by him, set us back years.

His main problem with transfers was backing Tommy Craig's judgement in signing Brian Kerr & AOB. We also made an offer to another ex Newcastle player who thankfully went elsewhere. JC also played a major role in getting Fletch to sign a new deal which helped us bring in over £5m in transfer fees. He certainly made mistakes in his management but many of his ideas, especially 're fitness regimes, were spot on. He also called Hearts a 'pub team'! 😁

[Bostonhibby]

His main problem with transfers was backing Tommy Craig's judgement in signing Brian Kerr & AOB. We also made an offer to another ex Newcastle player who thankfully went elsewhere. JC also played a major role in getting Fletch to sign a new deal which helped us bring in over £5m in transfer fees. He certainly made mistakes in his management but many of his ideas, especially 're fitness regimes, were spot on. He also called Hearts a 'pub team'! [emoji16]Wasn't it him that persuaded the board to give Chelsea actual money in exchange for makalamby?

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[CentreLine]

Wasn't it him that persuaded the board to give Chelsea actual money in exchange for makalamby?

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That was my question. You got there first. JC certainly could not recognise a goalkeeper

[Baader]

Embarrassing that Derek Ferguson can be classified a 'professional broadcaster.' On the back of someone at the BBC liking him for being 'a Rangers man.' Should be nowhere near a microphone.

[Bostonhibby]

That was my question. You got there first. JC certainly could not recognise a goalkeeperFor all that, I wanted him as manager and in the sort of structure we have now I'd see him as a good appointment again. That ship has sailed though.

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[Sammy7nil]

£800k is not millions.

The way it panned out if we paid that amount we may have made money out of him.

[1875Sean]

The same players that rebelled when Collins told them they had to stop bevvying up George Street and focus on being football players. Terrible advice eh?

Sure he isnt the only Hibs manager to tell players not to bevvy but how many times you seen a whole squad bar one or two players show up to the chief exe’s place?

[brog]

Wasn't it him that persuaded the board to give Chelsea actual money in exchange for makalamby?

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We didn't pay anything for Ma Kalamby & he was 21 when we signed him, intended to be one for the future.

[poolman]

Its never ever his fault. Always everyone elses.

I would believe KT before Collins any day

[Bostonhibby]

We didn't pay anything for Ma Kalamby & he was 21 when we signed him, intended to be one for the future.[emoji106]

I remember hearing £200k, at the time-source a Chelsea fan from down here who also follows Hibs!

What you say makes more sense, I wouldn't like to think money changed hands.

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[The Modfather]

Great listen. Finally lifting the lid on the piss poor behaviour of some of the players. Get him back!

I’d have him back as well. Think he was the right man at the wrong time. He’d have thrived under Dempster and our more modern and professional set up IMO. Too much time has passed, and he’s not done much management in that time, for him to return as manager one day. However I’d get him involved at East Mains/our youth academy, particularly all he says about training and what he learned at Monaco.

Good to get Collins side of the story. For me, it’s no coincidence that we have a player revolt and 6 or 7 years later we have a toxic player culture that Petrie has to come out and acknowledge. I struggle to see those two things as unrelated and a coincidence.

He wasn’t perfect, but doesn’t get enough respect from some IMO.

[The Modfather]

I would believe KT before Collins any day

Out of interest, why?

[The Harp Awakes]

Sure he isnt the only Hibs manager to tell players not to bevvy but how many times you seen a whole squad bar one or two players show up to the chief exe’s place?

i agree although the difference is JC walked the walk during his playing career rather than most Managers who just talk the talk

[greenlex]

Let's not. He loves himself too much.
I saw him eating chips once and pulled him up about it.

[Sammy7nil]

I saw him eating chips once and pulled him up about it.

Was that at tynecastle :greengrin

[greenlex]

Was that at tynecastle :greengrin:greengrin

[hibsbollah]

I would believe KT before Collins any day

My vote goes the other way.

[Clarence]

Once the academy is up and running again, I would love to see the young players at Hibs show the dedication and professionalism that John spoke a out on the podcast today. No coincidence that Virgil Van Dyke speaks highly of him.

For all the people who are saying he’s arrogant and he’s not a good man manager, do they think that Scottish football is benefitting from players rejecting the notion of more frequent training?

It seems pretty simple. We keep getting humped by countries that try harder than us, to be good footballers. We will continue to get humped until we try to adopt as robust a training regime as they have.

I think we need someone with a vision and a bit of arrogance to head up the youth academy because otherwise it just feels like we’re playing at it.

[660]

Collins is an utter *****. I’m not sure how this surprises anyone.

[flash]

Thomson on one side, Collins on the other. Both walked out on the club in controversial circumstances. I don't know enough to take sides.

[Crammond Hibee]

My vote goes the other way.

And mine

[truehibernian]

The same players that rebelled when Collins told them they had to stop bevvying up George Street and focus on being football players. Terrible advice eh?

There is absolutely no doubting his ideology leads to better football players, players here in Scotland are in a micro climate of 'fame' and they take advantage as most Scottish people do, and have an unhealthy lifestyle with alcohol in particular.

Still denies the six pack story.........come on JC :cb :greengrin.....you little fibber

[brog]

[QUOTE=Bostonhibby;6217099][emoji106]

I remember hearing £200k, at the time-source a Chelsea fan from down here who also follows Hibs!

What you say makes more sense, I wouldn't like to think money changed hands.

I believe there was a % of the mega fee expected when we sold him on!! 😂

[Bostonhibby]

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I believe there was a % of the mega fee expected when we sold him on!! [emoji23]Everyone's a winner[emoji16]

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[hibbyfraelibby]

One of them is being economical with the truth. It’s difficult to know who to believe.

I'd believe Thommo. He's called him a liar on a public forum if he's not he'd sue which he wont. 6 pack is a ego with a strange take on reality despite being a class act as a player

[Kaff]

I'd believe Thommo. He's called him a liar on a public forum if he's not he'd sue which he wont. 6 pack is a ego with a strange take on reality despite being a class act as a player

I err on the side of Collins, the likes of Simon Brown in the papers bemoaning JC's strict attitude to diet and fitness while he's 2 stone overweight and a disgrace in goals!
He definitely made mistakes and Tommy Craig was probably the worst one but what he was trying to do was exactly what Scottish football needed with approach to fitness and because of having that the ability to play the pressing game. He was 10yrs ahead of many.
If only he had the scouting/player recruitment department we have now, there are still mistakes being made but much less and he could have worked really well with the EM resources as well.
As the rot was pretty well ingrained and we were losing too many of the Brown and Thomson level of player I'm not sure that he could have turned it around unless Petrie backed him vociferously and by getting the likes of Naismith in with the chance to turf out the bad apples, fully appreciate that would have been a big financial gamble.
I still wish he had someone other than Tommy Craig at his side though.

[Since452]

If Collins was made of chocolate he'd eat himself.

[Peevemor]

I loved JC as a player. I'll alway be grateful that he stayed on longer than he needed to to earn the club a good transfer fee.

He inherited a good squad and got them playing very well. His signings were atrocious (no point blaming Tommy Craig, JC was the manager), the gottle-of-geer interview is one of the most embarrassing things I've witnessed as a Hibs supporter.

He lost the changing room and was too far up his own backside to turn things around.

As for fitness and attitude, did our Scottish cup winning squad live lives of teetotal solitude?

We were pretty horrible to watch during his last 2-3 months in charge and he eventually spat the dummy.

I don't want him anywhere near Hibs.

[Hibstrooper]

If Collins was made of chocolate he'd eat himself.

No danger. Had he been made of a high protein low carb energy supplement then that’s a different matter.

[green with envy]

No danger. Had he been made of a high protein low carb energy supplement then that’s a different matter.

Haha - VG.

[Green Manalishi]

Collins is an utter *****. I’m not sure how this surprises anyone. He comes over to me as a winner who demands perfection. Its ironic that Mikey Stewart slagged him off yet Virgil Van Dyke says he is one of the best coaches he has ever worked with

[hibbysam]

£800k is not millions.

He signed for rangers for £1.9m. Do you really believe we were going to get him for over £1m less than that? He was miles out our league and Collins took the hump when he was told that.

[Ozyhibby]

Collins can’t be a manager because he can’t get players to do what he wants and that’s not his fault? Is that what he’s saying?


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[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

KT not a happy bunny about it on Twitter


Oh Dear, what a pity, never mind. What is clear is that Collins wanted players to invest in themselves to improve and become better players. Maybe he was a bit overbearing? Regardless, his heart was in the right place. If you are a professional football player why would you not want to do everything you could to improve? The financial rewards are obvious. Bonkers!

[Green Manalishi]

Collins can’t be a manager because he can’t get players to do what he wants and that’s not his fault? Is that what he’s saying?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He said he wouldnt manage in Scotland again because too many players just dont have the same mindset as him. He reminds me of Roy Keane who is another who never lasts long at any club he has managed. They are relentless driven individuals and players who are not at the very top of the game tend not to be.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

He comes over to me as a winner who demands perfection. Its ironic that Mikey Stewart slagged him off yet Virgil Van Dyke says he is one of the best coaches he has ever worked with

:agree:

[The Modfather]

Collins can’t be a manager because he can’t get players to do what he wants and that’s not his fault? Is that what he’s saying?


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When you listen to him talk about his time at Monaco and some of the players he’s worked With, like Trezeguet, Henry & Van Dijkt, and what those players put in on top of their natural talent to reach the top. Maybe we should be asking why, in general, players in Scotland won’t do what Collins expects of them.

It may be that he is a poor communicator and/or arrogant, but I’d wager that not being the real crux of our issues as to why the national team have failed for more than 20 years, and why we produce so few world class players when other similar sized nations don’t seem to struggle as much. I think we should be listening to what he is saying rather than who it is that’s saying it.

[hibbysam]

Oh Dear, what a pity, never mind. What is clear is that Collins wanted players to invest in themselves to improve and become better players. Maybe he was a bit overbearing? Regardless, his heart was in the right place. If you are a professional football player why would you not want to do everything you could to improve? The financial rewards are obvious. Bonkers!

Think Thomson showed at Rangers that he was more than willing to do what was required to get to the top of the game. Arguably more influential at that time that Ferguson who he played beside.

Collins also implies that Brown would be welcome back because of the hard work he put in that last 6 months, as if Thomson wouldn’t be. KT showed in his spells at the club what it meant to him, playing for nothing, Scottish cup run etc. KT will always be welcome back as far as I am concerned.

[James Stephen]

When you listen to him talk about his time at Monaco and some of the players he’s worked With, like Trezeguet, Henry & Van Dijkt, and what those players put in on top of their natural talent to reach the top. Maybe we should be asking why, in general, players in Scotland won’t do what Collins expects of them.

It may be that he is a poor communicator and/or arrogant, but I’d wager that not being the real crux of our issues as to why the national team have failed for more than 20 years, and why we produce so few world class players when other similar sized nations don’t seem to struggle as much. I think we should be listening to what he is saying rather than who it is that’s saying it.

Agree, there is a negative culture, and as long as ultra professional, driven types like collins are the exception to the norm (i remember paul le guen had similar troubles at the huns), then we will struggle to compete.

Thats not saying i dont JC has his faults, because its quite obvious he does as a manager.

[Sammy7nil]

Think Thomson showed at Rangers that he was more than willing to do what was required to get to the top of the game. Arguably more influential at that time that Ferguson who he played beside.

Collins also implies that Brown would be welcome back because of the hard work he put in that last 6 months, as if Thomson wouldn’t be. KT showed in his spells at the club what it meant to him, playing for nothing, Scottish cup run etc. KT will always be welcome back as far as I am concerned.

Say what on like about KT but he was nowhere near as influential as the crab I did not like him but he was a very good player and one of the few Scots who played in Rangers superstar teams.

[LeithMike]

Collins can’t be a manager because he can’t get players to do what he wants and that’s not his fault? Is that what he’s saying?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThere's probably something in that. Many a good coach has come undone at a club where he cant take the players along with him. I think JC admitted today that he could have done a bit more to get the players on board and been a bit more flexible. A good manager gets to know his players and how much they will buy into hi s strategy and grows it over time. Players have proven that they hold the power in the modern game - it being far cheaper for a club to remove their manager than replace the whole squad if there is a fallout.

The only manager I can think of in the modern game to have become more powerful than the players was Alex Ferguson. The players knew that they would lose a battle with him.

If JC had got the players to buy into his thinking rather than laying down the law and implemented his strategy over time he might have gone on to be a very good manager. I think he might have been too resolute in his thinking but often that is what it takes to become a success in the first place and no doubt played a huge role in JC becoming the player he did.

Even if the players did think he was arrogant, the players should have had more respect. I am sure he could have taken Kevin Thomson's game on. Scott Brown certainly grew hugely as player on his final year under JC. Dunno though!

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[Clarence]

There's probably something in that. Many a good coach has come undone at a club where he cant take the players along with him. I think JC admitted today that he could have done a bit more to get the players on board and been a bit more flexible. A good manager gets to know his players and how much they will buy into hi s strategy and grows it over time. Players have proven that they hold the power in the modern game - it being far cheaper for a club to remove their manager than replace the whole squad if there is a fallout.

The only manager I can think of in the modern game to have become more powerful than the players was Alex Ferguson. The players knew that they would lose a battle with him.

If JC had got the players to buy into his thinking rather than laying down the law and implemented his strategy over time he might have gone on to be a very good manager. I think he might have been too resolute in his thinking but often that is what it takes to become a success in the first place and no doubt played a huge role in JC becoming the player he did.

Even if the players did think he was arrogant, the players should have had more respect. I am sure he could have taken Kevin Thomson's game on. Scott Brown certainly grew hugely as player on his final year under JC. Dunno though!

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You saying dunno reminded me of this interview.

https://youtu.be/rMeYPir9ZhA

[Fuzzywuzzy]

There's probably something in that. Many a good coach has come undone at a club where he cant take the players along with him. I think JC admitted today that he could have done a bit more to get the players on board and been a bit more flexible. A good manager gets to know his players and how much they will buy into hi s strategy and grows it over time. Players have proven that they hold the power in the modern game - it being far cheaper for a club to remove their manager than replace the whole squad if there is a fallout.

The only manager I can think of in the modern game to have become more powerful than the players was Alex Ferguson. The players knew that they would lose a battle with him.

If JC had got the players to buy into his thinking rather than laying down the law and implemented his strategy over time he might have gone on to be a very good manager. I think he might have been too resolute in his thinking but often that is what it takes to become a success in the first place and no doubt played a huge role in JC becoming the player he did.

Even if the players did think he was arrogant, the players should have had more respect. I am sure he could have taken Kevin Thomson's game on. Scott Brown certainly grew hugely as player on his final year under JC. Dunno though!

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Paul le guen was a prime example of this.

[The Count]

Collins seems to be getting a lot of stick here about his management style that might be justified.However loved him when as a young player he broke into the side.Also for all his percieved faults he gave us a great day out in 2007 winning the League Cup.Not many Hibs managers deliver a trophy so for that alone Collins is ok for me.

[hibbysam]

Say what on like about KT but he was nowhere near as influential as the crab I did not like him but he was a very good player and one of the few Scots who played in Rangers superstar teams.

In that period when KT went to Rangers, I’ve spoken to many a Rangers fan who have said KT was the real driving force in their midfield at that time.

[easty]

My vote goes the other way.

And mines

[Coco Bryce]

Paul le guen was a prime example of this.

Exactly and look what happened to him. The Scottish game is not kind to managers like this.

Ronny Deila was very similar at Celtic.

[Spike Mandela]

John Collins was a great Hibs player, one of the best I’ve ever seen in a Hibs jersy. He’s a cup winning manager, not many of them going about.

In terms of management style he was trying to introduce modern coaching techniques many of which are routine nowadays. He was super strict on this and I get the feeling from his interview that he was a young manager and perhaps regrets he didn’t let the players let their hair down a wee bit on training trips and such but he was learning.

As for the Kevin Thomson/Scott Brown transfer saga you need a manager who isn’t their buddy and is prepared to say no, sounds to me like he gave them good advice and instead of slagging off Collins or Thomson the real villain of the piece is Willie MacKay a man with nothing but self interest and a troublemaker. Sure Thomson and Collins clearly don’t see eye to eye but with another agent things might have been different.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

KT not a happy bunny about it on Twitter

I'm sure he could get John's phone number & confront him directly if he's really boiling that much, but playing to his gallery of Huns on Twitter seems to suit him better.

[Rumble de Thump]

I get the impression Kevin found it difficult to get over the bullying he experienced at Coventry. Maybe he found it difficult mentally to seperate being bullied by team mates and being given advice/instructions from a manager. When he talks about his time playing for John Collins he talks as though he was just a wee boy when he wasn't. It actually seemed to be the youth players that really took to John's management style rather than the senior players. Anyway, I would wish them both well. They both did a lot for the club that we can be thankful for.

[Jones28]

He comes over to me as a winner who demands perfection. Its ironic that Mikey Stewart slagged him off yet Virgil Van Dyke says he is one of the best coaches he has ever worked with

He was a manager with Stewart and a coach for van dyke, so it could be concluded that his man management is his downfall while his intentions were good. I loved him as Hibs manager and still have a niggle of resentment at the players who revolted against him for whatever reason it might be.

MS sounds like he rightly has a problem with him, but it would seem his only really crime against Thomson and Brown was to demand more professionalism?

I don’t really know, I just feel it all could have been so different.

[ancient hibee]

If Collins was made of chocolate he'd eat himself.

Good company for Graeme Souness then?

[FilipinoHibs]

Collins seems to be getting a lot of stick here about his management style that might be justified.However loved him when as a young player he broke into the side.Also for all his percieved faults he gave us a great day out in 2007 winning the League Cup.Not many Hibs managers deliver a trophy so for that alone Collins is ok for me.

It was Mowbray's team though. He soon blew it up.

[Coco Bryce]

It was Mowbray's team though. He soon blew it up.

This. There's no denying he was an outstanding player. Shocking manager though.

[18Craig75]

The Sportsound line up we all want to hear is Collins, Stewart, Levein & Kevin Thomson.

[Coco Bryce]

The Sportsound line up we all want to hear is Collins, Stewart, Levein & Kevin Thomson.

:thumbsup:

[Oscar T Grouch]

The Sportsound line up we all want to hear is Collins, Stewart, Levein & Kevin Thomson.

That'd be a good cage fight never mind a radio show :greengrin

[The Modfather]

It was Mowbray's team though. He soon blew it up.

Mowbray couldn’t win a trophy with his own team, Collins did and in style. His recruitment was poor, but never really understood the criticism that the team he won the cup with was Mowbrays team.

[jacomo]

Mowbray couldn’t win a trophy with his own team, Collins did and in style. His recruitment was poor, but never really understood the criticism that the team he won the cup with was Mowbrays team.


:agree:

[KeithTheHibby]

It was Mowbray's team though. He soon blew it up.

You are joking right? Collins blew it up? Or how about the truth that any player worth anything was sold??

Admittedly some of the players he brought in were a huge disappointment however the players that left were almost impossible to replace however you are wrong to say JC blew up Mowbrays team.

[SHODAN]

The Sportsound line up we all want to hear is Collins, Stewart, Levein & Kevin Thomson.

I'd pay to listen to that.

[brog]

Mowbray couldn’t win a trophy with his own team, Collins did and in style. His recruitment was poor, but never really understood the criticism that the team he won the cup with was Mowbrays team.

Agreed, one of the daftest statements that gets made. Believe it or not in Aberdeen some people still say Fergie had all his success with Billy McNeill's team because BN had a slightly better win average. Just daft!

[Green_one]

I'd pay to listen to that.

I would pay not to listen to Sportsound. Oops I already do.

[FilipinoHibs]

You are joking right? Collins blew it up? Or how about the truth that any player worth anything was sold??

Admittedly some of the players he brought in were a huge disappointment however the players that left were almost impossible to replace however you are wrong to say JC blew up Mowbrays team.

One player left, Thomson, before the LC win. Look how the team deteriorated over the season culminating in those awful displays versus Dunfermline in the cup semis. He destroyed a great team pissing everybody off long before they were sold.

[MWHIBBIES]

I loved JC as a player. I'll alway be grateful that he stayed on longer than he needed to to earn the club a good transfer fee.

He inherited a good squad and got them playing very well. His signings were atrocious (no point blaming Tommy Craig, JC was the manager), the gottle-of-geer interview is one of the most embarrassing things I've witnessed as a Hibs supporter.

He lost the changing room and was too far up his own backside to turn things around.

As for fitness and attitude, did our Scottish cup winning squad live lives of teetotal solitude?

We were pretty horrible to watch during his last 2-3 months in charge and he eventually spat the dummy.

I don't want him anywhere near Hibs.

many members of our Scottish cup winning squad have had careers plagued with injuries. Not really the best example of fitness. Conrad Logan, Gray, McGregor, Hanlon, McGeouch, Fyvie, Farid and Boyle have had really bad times with injury at one point or another. Maybe better fitness routines and care of themselves would've reduced that? Difficult to know.

[PatHead]

I'd pay to listen to that.

Only if they were in the same studio. Over the phone would be rubbish.

[Kato]

I would pay not to listen to Sportsound. Oops I already do.Funny and true.

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[KeithTheHibby]

One player left, Thomson, before the LC win. Look how the team deteriorated over the season culminating in those awful displays versus Dunfermline in the cup semis. He destroyed a great team pissing everybody off long before they were sold.

That’s not what you said though - he blew up the squad.
Off the top of my head Brown, Murphy, Whittaker and Sproule were sold bringing in close on 9m in transfer fees.
JC made mistakes, granted, however the way the squad behaved was terrible.


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[Winston Ingram]

One of them is being economical with the truth. It’s difficult to know who to believe.

Tbf to KT there are loads of ex-players stories that are in line with his. None with Collins

[Winston Ingram]

You are joking right? Collins blew it up? Or how about the truth that any player worth anything was sold??

Admittedly some of the players he brought in were a huge disappointment however the players that left were almost impossible to replace however you are wrong to say JC blew up Mowbrays team.

He signed some complete pish. Noubissie, Joneliet, Gathuessi, Makalambay, O’Brien. Most of them jacked in football before they were 30

[green with envy]

He signed some complete pish. Noubissie, Joneliet, Gathuessi, Makalambay, O’Brien. Most of them jacked in football before they were 30

Add Brian Kerr to that list.

[brog]

Add Brian Kerr to that list.

I've posted some of this before but again just to clarify. JC was appointed Hibs manager at the age of 38, it was his 1st managerial appointment & he hadn't been involved in UK football for 3 years. Hibs put Tommy Craig in as his Asst Mgr & to act as Collins mentor. Tommy C was 100% responsible for the signing of AOB & Brian Kerr, both of whom had been with him at Newcastle. TC also wanted to sign a guy called Stuart Green who had also been at Newcastle. JC used another player, who he knew from Fulham as his conduit to approach Green. At one stage this player was interested in signing for us instead but both stayed with Crystal Palace & the conduit ended up playing hundreds of Championship & EPL games. This is not to say JC was perfect but the criticism of his role in these major signings is misplaced.

[BS44]

Add Brian Kerr to that list.

Any player that scored a winner for Hibs against the gorgie dogs can never be called pish. He may well have been rubbish in nearly all the games he played for us, but not complete pish

:flag:

[Peevemor]

I've posted some of this before but again just to clarify. JC was appointed Hibs manager at the age of 38, it was his 1st managerial appointment & he hadn't been involved in UK football for 3 years. Hibs put Tommy Craig in as his Asst Mgr & to act as Collins mentor. Tommy C was 100% responsible for the signing of AOB & Brian Kerr, both of whom had been with him at Newcastle. TC also wanted to sign a guy called Stuart Green who had also been at Newcastle. JC used another player, who he knew from Fulham as his conduit to approach Green. At one stage this player was interested in signing for us instead but both stayed with Crystal Palace & the conduit ended up playing hundreds of Championship & EPL games. This is not to say JC was perfect but the criticism of his role in these major signings is misplaced.Was he the manager or not?

It's too easy to say that he wasn't responsible for the bad stuff.

[green with envy]

Any player that scored a winner for Hibs against the gorgie dogs can never be called pish. He may well have been rubbish in nearly all the games he played for us, but not complete pish

:flag:

Make her mind up. Yeah, I was there that night and I'm pleased he had his finest .minute in a Hibs top that night.

[BS44]

Make her mind up. Yeah, I was there that night and I'm pleased he had his finest .minute in a Hibs top that night.

His finest ninety minutes 😉

[MagicSwirlingShip]

One player left, Thomson, before the LC win. Look how the team deteriorated over the season culminating in those awful displays versus Dunfermline in the cup semis. He destroyed a great team pissing everybody off long before they were sold.

We had also sold our best forwardline in many years, Riordan & O'Connor, the previous summer and Killen was out with a long term injury from January 2007 onwards. Thought that was worth a mention

[HoboHarry]

The Sportsound line up we all want to hear is Collins, Stewart, Levein & Kevin Thomson.
And big Yogi as referee :greengrin

[FilipinoHibs]

That’s not what you said though - he blew up the squad.
Off the top of my head Brown, Murphy, Whittaker and Sproule were sold bringing in close on 9m in transfer fees.
JC made mistakes, granted, however the way the squad behaved was terrible.


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I never said he sold the players. I said he blew up or destroyed a good team long before it was physically dismantled. He had no management skills. A good manager would know how to change fitness/diet without pissing the whole squad off.

[GibbytheHibby2]

I never said he sold the players. I said he blew up or destroyed a good team long before it was physically dismantled. He had no management skills. A good manager would know how to change fitness/diet without pissing the whole squad off.

Very true unfortunately. His choice of assistant was poor. TC did nothing to help JC and undoubtedly did more damage. The players hated playing for JC.

A better assistant would have bridged the gap and helped JC. His team were fit and played some sexy stuff - that Murphy winner at Mordor was as good a team goal as any. The man management and bloody mindedness was the problem.

I still expect to see Alan O’Brien on an episode of faking it. He didn’t even know where to stand on the pitch at set plays FFS.

TC also stabbed Danny Lennon in the back at St Mirren. If TC were on fire, I’d piss on him then pour petrol on him and set him alight again.

[Winston Ingram]

I've posted some of this before but again just to clarify. JC was appointed Hibs manager at the age of 38, it was his 1st managerial appointment & he hadn't been involved in UK football for 3 years. Hibs put Tommy Craig in as his Asst Mgr & to act as Collins mentor. Tommy C was 100% responsible for the signing of AOB & Brian Kerr, both of whom had been with him at Newcastle. TC also wanted to sign a guy called Stuart Green who had also been at Newcastle. JC used another player, who he knew from Fulham as his conduit to approach Green. At one stage this player was interested in signing for us instead but both stayed with Crystal Palace & the conduit ended up playing hundreds of Championship & EPL games. This is not to say JC was perfect but the criticism of his role in these major signings is misplaced.

It was Collins that chose Craig as his asst, not Hibs.

[Winston Ingram]

I never said he sold the players. I said he blew up or destroyed a good team long before it was physically dismantled. He had no management skills. A good manager would know how to change fitness/diet without pissing the whole squad off.

He did a great job of ruining it before he left. In the 2nd half of the league season, he won 4, drew 5 and lost 7, which was incredible with squad of players he had.

[Stonewall]

Can we please stop mentioning Brian Kerr.

I’m now having flashbacks featuring his rare ability to break up the momentum of an attack by passing the ball behind the recipient.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Anyone mind the press conference where TC was whispering instructions to Collins whilst chomping on an apple? Weird!

[Jones28]

Can we please stop mentioning Brian Kerr.

I’m now having flashbacks featuring his rare ability to break up the momentum of an attack by passing the ball behind the recipient.

Ivan Sproule used to have to do a lap of the pitch to receive his passes.

[RoxburghHibs]

Steve Clarke was on yesterdays podcast.

At last a voice of reason.

Although they only touched on reconstruction, he did say that he agreed reconstruction should be looked into, it was the timing that was wrong as clubs are fully focused on covid-19 issues and getting back playing. He also said that clubs need far more time to ensure it's properly thought through and implemented correctly. Previously all pundits have come from the "reconstruct to save Hearts as it's not fair stand point".

He also said the 'B Team' idea had some merit but should be open to more than just Celtic and Rangers - this got no response from Neil McCann.

He did make a comment which made me smile. He said that ultimately all clubs are looking after themselves in this pandemic and have their own interests at the center of their actions. Which is spot on - yet listening to Sportsound and reading the BBC sport website you'd think Hearts and Partick actions are all in Scotland's best interests and the 26 clubs who voted against reconstruction are selfish and wrong.

[KeithTheHibby]

He did a great job of ruining it before he left. In the 2nd half of the league season, he won 4, drew 5 and lost 7, which was incredible with squad of players he had.

He had an excellent start to the following season with pretty much a new squad of players. Can remember winning 1-0 at Ibrox, Murphy scored.


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[brog]

Was he the manager or not?

It's too easy to say that he wasn't responsible for the bad stuff.

I think you know that's not what I'm saying. There's many mistakes we can pin on JC, & FWIW I'm firmly in the Thommo camp re their spat, but the signings of Kerr & AOB are not down to him. Yes JC was the manager, but his experienced assistant & mentor strongly recommended their signings not just to JC but the Board. Both players were in their early 20's & full internationalists. On paper they looked like excellent & ambitious signings. It's hard to see how JC could have argued differently.

[Peevemor]

He had an excellent start to the following season with pretty much a new squad of players. Can remember winning 1-0 at Ibrox, Murphy scored.


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That match was on 6 October. From then on, up until he shot the crow on 20 December, the results were

20/10/2007 Motherwell away 1-2 L
27/10/2007 St Mirren home 0-1 L
04/11/2007 Hearts home 1-1 D
10/11/2007 Gretna away 1-0 W
24/11/2007 Dundee Utd home 2-2 D
02/12/2007 Aberdeen away 1-3 L
08/12/2007 Inverness away 0-2 L
15/12/2007 Falkirk home 1-1 D

ie. a 1-0 win (Gretna), 3 draws and 4 losses - yet people are still defending him?

http://www.fitbastats.com/hibs/team_results_list.php?page=1

His outlook on how things should be done and how players should behave may be spot on - but he was a crap manager and I don't want him anywhere near Hibs.

On another note, I think he wrote his French wiki page himself - "il démissionne de son poste d'entraîneur du Hibernian Football Club à la surprise générale et ce, malgré d'excellents résultats." - He resigned from his post as manager at Hibs to everyone's surprise and despite excellent results.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Collins_(football)

[Gloucester Hibs]

That match was on 6 October. From then on, up until he shot the crow on 20 December, the results were

20/10/2007 Motherwell away 1-2 L
27/10/2007 St Mirren home 0-1 L
04/11/2007 Hearts home 1-1 D
10/11/2007 Gretna away 1-0 W
24/11/2007 Dundee Utd home 2-2 D
02/12/2007 Aberdeen away 1-3 L
08/12/2007 Inverness away 0-2 L
15/12/2007 Falkirk home 1-1 D

ie. a 1-0 win (Gretna), 3 draws and 4 losses - yet people are still defending him?

http://www.fitbastats.com/hibs/team_results_list.php?page=1

His outlook on how things should be done and how players should behave may be spot on - but he was a crap manager and I don't want him anywhere near Hibs.

On another note, I think he wrote his French wiki page himself - "il démissionne de son poste d'entraîneur du Hibernian Football Club à la surprise générale et ce, malgré d'excellents résultats." - He resigned from his post as manager at Hibs to everyone's surprise and despite excellent results.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Collins_(football)

Top of the league, undefeated, in October is not to be sniffed at though. We beat Hearts and both halves of the old firm during that run. That away game at Aberdeen was the final straw for me - Kevin McCann at centre half! :eek:

[Peevemor]

Top of the league, undefeated, in October is not to be sniffed at though. We beat Hearts and both halves of the old firm during that run. That away game at Aberdeen was the final straw for me - Kevin McCann at centre half! :eek:

If my memory serves me right, Jim Duffy had us top of the league in October too (maybe it was September) - look how that season finished.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Can we please stop mentioning Brian Kerr.

I’m now having flashbacks featuring his rare ability to break up the momentum of an attack by passing the ball behind the recipient.

Gave us all a fantastic day at Tynecastle on the first day of the season, scoring the winning goal after 2 minutes. That's the Brian Kerr I remember! (As I've shut out everything else :greengrin).

Enjoyed the podcast with Collins.

I'd back his version of events over KT's.

[Keith_M]

That match was on 6 October. From then on, up until he shot the crow on 20 December, the results were

20/10/2007 Motherwell away 1-2 L
27/10/2007 St Mirren home 0-1 L
04/11/2007 Hearts home 1-1 D
10/11/2007 Gretna away 1-0 W
24/11/2007 Dundee Utd home 2-2 D
02/12/2007 Aberdeen away 1-3 L
08/12/2007 Inverness away 0-2 L
15/12/2007 Falkirk home 1-1 D
....


For the sake of balance, the results before that were...

06 Aug - Hearts ---------- 1-0 - W
11 Aug - Gretna ---------- 4–2 - W
18 Aug - Dundee United --0–0 - D
25 Aug - Aberdeen ------- 3–3 - D
1 Sep - Inverness CT -----1–0 - W
15 Sep - Falkirk ---------- 1–1 - D
23 Sep - Celtic ----------- 3–2 - W
29 Sep - Kilmarnock ----- 4–1 - W
06 Oct - Rangers ----------1–0 - W

[Peevemor]

For the sake of balance, the results before that were...

06 Aug - Hearts ---------- 1-0 - W
11 Aug - Gretna ---------- 4–2 - W
18 Aug - Dundee United --0–0 - D
25 Aug - Aberdeen ------- 3–3 - D
1 Sep - Inverness CT -----1–0 - W
15 Sep - Falkirk ---------- 1–1 - D
23 Sep - Celtic ----------- 3–2 - W
29 Sep - Kilmarnock ----- 4–1 - W
06 Oct - Rangers ----------1–0 - W

Fair enough, but even during that run there were highs and lows in terms of the football we were watching. Toward the end of his time with us we weren't good to watch at all - it wasn't that dissimilar to what we were watching latterly under Hecky.

[Bostonhibby]

Anyone mind the press conference where TC was whispering instructions to Collins whilst chomping on an apple? Weird!Not impressed by that. Ray Allen used to be able to get Lord Charles to work perfectly whilst drinking a glass of water.

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[basehibby]

When you listen to him talk about his time at Monaco and some of the players he’s worked With, like Trezeguet, Henry & Van Dijkt, and what those players put in on top of their natural talent to reach the top. Maybe we should be asking why, in general, players in Scotland won’t do what Collins expects of them.

It may be that he is a poor communicator and/or arrogant, but I’d wager that not being the real crux of our issues as to why the national team have failed for more than 20 years, and why we produce so few world class players when other similar sized nations don’t seem to struggle as much. I think we should be listening to what he is saying rather than who it is that’s saying it.


Absolutely right - there is an ingrained culture of self-entitled laziness in Scottish football. Far too many young players seem to think they can have their cake and eat it - and that they're billy-big-baws just because they've played a few first team games. Many promising Hibs youth players have failed to cut the mustard because of this idiotic big-time-charlie attitude. You can tell that this attitude is ingrained by the "amazed" jaw-dropping attitudes routinely tripped out when it's revealed that top players routinely stay behind to practice their technique. OF COURSE they ****ing do - that's how they got to be so good in the first place!!!

Collins' ideas were absolutely bang on but he was on an uphill battle from the start as would be any coach trying to push for more professionalism in the Scottish game - just ask quadruple French title winner Paul Le Guen how he got on trying to impose the same values of professionalism at (the old) Rangers.

As for the "rebels" - I would have had the lot of them tied to a post and flogged - remember that these selfish lazy ********s chose to hold their "protest" a mere two weeks before a Scottish Cup semi that we had every chance of winning - thus puncturing any semblance of unity and putting the brakes on the momentum we had. Sickening!

[CockneyRebel]

Absolutely right - there is an ingrained culture of self-entitled laziness in Scottish football. Far too many young players seem to think they can have their cake and eat it - and that they're billy-big-baws just because they've played a few first team games. Many promising Hibs youth players have failed to cut the mustard because of this idiotic big-time-charlie attitude. You can tell that this attitude is ingrained by the "amazed" jaw-dropping attitudes routinely tripped out when it's revealed that top players routinely stay behind to practice their technique. OF COURSE they ****ing do - that's how they got to be so good in the first place!!!

Collins' ideas were absolutely bang on but he was on an uphill battle from the start as would be any coach trying to push for more professionalism in the Scottish game - just ask quadruple French title winner Paul Le Guen how he got on trying to impose the same values of professionalism at (the old) Rangers.

As for the "rebels" - I would have had the lot of them tied to a post and flogged - remember that these selfish lazy ********s chose to hold their "protest" a mere two weeks before a Scottish Cup semi that we had every chance of winning - thus puncturing any semblance of unity and putting the brakes on the momentum we had. Sickening!


First paragraph spot on and the English game only began catching up with the rest of Europe because of the influx of overseas players who bought their good habits with them. The amount of "foreign" players that have expressed amazement over the years regarding the lifestyles of the UK players is staggering.

[ancient hibee]

Don't forget the "if only"sob stories in the media when their careers have dwindled away or they've gone bankrupt.

[Joe6-2]

Absolutely right - there is an ingrained culture of self-entitled laziness in Scottish football. Far too many young players seem to think they can have their cake and eat it - and that they're billy-big-baws just because they've played a few first team games. Many promising Hibs youth players have failed to cut the mustard because of this idiotic big-time-charlie attitude. You can tell that this attitude is ingrained by the "amazed" jaw-dropping attitudes routinely tripped out when it's revealed that top players routinely stay behind to practice their technique. OF COURSE they ****ing do - that's how they got to be so good in the first place!!!

Collins' ideas were absolutely bang on but he was on an uphill battle from the start as would be any coach trying to push for more professionalism in the Scottish game - just ask quadruple French title winner Paul Le Guen how he got on trying to impose the same values of professionalism at (the old) Rangers.

As for the "rebels" - I would have had the lot of them tied to a post and flogged - remember that these selfish lazy ********s chose to hold their "protest" a mere two weeks before a Scottish Cup semi that we had every chance of winning - thus puncturing any semblance of unity and putting the brakes on the momentum we had. Sickening!

Totally agree

[we are hibs]

That match was on 6 October. From then on, up until he shot the crow on 20 December, the results were

20/10/2007 Motherwell away 1-2 L
27/10/2007 St Mirren home 0-1 L
04/11/2007 Hearts home 1-1 D
10/11/2007 Gretna away 1-0 W
24/11/2007 Dundee Utd home 2-2 D
02/12/2007 Aberdeen away 1-3 L
08/12/2007 Inverness away 0-2 L
15/12/2007 Falkirk home 1-1 D

ie. a 1-0 win (Gretna), 3 draws and 4 losses - yet people are still defending him?

http://www.fitbastats.com/hibs/team_results_list.php?page=1

His outlook on how things should be done and how players should behave may be spot on - but he was a crap manager and I don't want him anywhere near Hibs.

On another note, I think he wrote his French wiki page himself - "il démissionne de son poste d'entraîneur du Hibernian Football Club à la surprise générale et ce, malgré d'excellents résultats." - He resigned from his post as manager at Hibs to everyone's surprise and despite excellent results.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Collins_(football)

Quite a few hibs managers have had a worse run than that more recently and been looked upon more favourably.

[Bristolhibby]

For the sake of balance, the results before that were...

06 Aug - Hearts ---------- 1-0 - W
11 Aug - Gretna ---------- 4–2 - W
18 Aug - Dundee United --0–0 - D
25 Aug - Aberdeen ------- 3–3 - D
1 Sep - Inverness CT -----1–0 - W
15 Sep - Falkirk ---------- 1–1 - D
23 Sep - Celtic ----------- 3–2 - W
29 Sep - Kilmarnock ----- 4–1 - W
06 Oct - Rangers ----------1–0 - W

I was on my Honeymoon for the first two games. What a way to top a great few weeks.

J

[greenlex]

He had an excellent start to the following season with pretty much a new squad of players. Can remember winning 1-0 at Ibrox, Murphy scored.


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With ease. We kept the ball for fun that game. We actually played better that day than the 3-0 cup win or the Ivan hat trick 3-0. Actually by a long way. The away win at Motherwell was the best we had played in decades. He did a lot right and may have been a bigger success under the present regime. No going back tho.

[Kaff]

With ease. We kept the ball for fun that game. We actually played better that day than the 3-0 cup win or the Ivan hat trick 3-0. Actually by a long way. The away win at Motherwell was the best we had played in decades. He did a lot right and may have been a bigger success under the present regime. No going back tho.

You're right, there should be no going back, just a rueful look back and wonder if it could have all been handled better by everyone.
His time at Charleroi intrigues me as he did pull them away from danger and reports I read said they wanted him to stay but he decided it wasn't for him. If true this looks like it could have been a mistake on his part if the squad had bought into his management?
Joneleit must have wondered what he'd done to be brought to 2 clubs by JC and hardly get a run out at either!

[greenlex]

You're right, there should be no going back, just a rueful look back and wonder if it could have all been handled better by everyone.
His time at Charleroi intrigues me as he did pull them away from danger and reports I read said they wanted him to stay but he decided it wasn't for him. If true this looks like it could have been a mistake on his part if the squad had bought into his management?
Joneleit must have wondered what he'd done to be brought to 2 clubs by JC and hardly get a run out at either!
81% possession against Hearts in a cup quarter final win. Oh to have that now.

[bigwheel]

81% possession against Hearts in a cup quarter final win. Oh to have that now.

Tbf. Think that was his second game, so not sure he can really claim much credit for that performance ....

Clearly a smart coach , equally though, obvs a poor man manager . It’s no shock that he has struggled to get his managerial career going since then

[Jim44]

The Falkirk chairman is putting his tuppence worth in. Every time he makes unsubtle comments about recent events, such as votes etc. you can almost imagine him talking behind his hand and you can hear Gordon and English snidely laughing at his innuendo. They’re pals at the berries. :rolleyes:

Ps. The Jambos think he is the best thing to hit Sportsound for ages.

[tamig]

The Falkirk chairman is putting his tuppence worth in. Every time he makes unsubtle comments about recent events, such as votes etc. you can almost imagine him talking behind his hand and you can hear Gordon and English snidely laughing at his innuendo. They’re pals at the berries. :rolleyes:

Ps. The Jambos think he is the best thing to hit Sportsound for ages.

English asked if a vote on the future governance structure of the league would amount to a vote of confidence in ND and MM. Deans said categorically it wouldn’t.

[flash]

The Falkirk chairman is putting his tuppence worth in. Every time he makes unsubtle comments about recent events, such as votes etc. you can almost imagine him talking behind his hand and you can hear Gordon and English snidely laughing at his innuendo. They’re pals at the berries. :rolleyes:

Ps. The Jambos think he is the best thing to hit Sportsound for ages.
Another clown who is using this situation to distract his own supporters from the horses erse they have made of things on the park.

[green day]

The Falkirk chairman is putting his tuppence worth in. Every time he makes unsubtle comments about recent events, such as votes etc. you can almost imagine him talking behind his hand and you can hear Gordon and English snidely laughing at his innuendo. They’re pals at the berries. :rolleyes:

Ps. The Jambos think he is the best thing to hit Sportsound for ages.

Gary Deans tears and snotters interview the other day in the Daily Mail is a sight to behold - https://www.falkirkfc.co.uk/2020/06/26/gary-deans-interview/

He is only on the show today because they are scraping the barrel of people who will come on and support the anti SPFL mantra.

Most clubs have refused requests to go on - primarily because they dont want to stoke up further ill feeling and because most didnt support Hearts and reconstruction.

It is telling that those who have gone against Tom English "sense of fair play" - like Roy McGregor - have been subsequently rubbished in his BBC columns.

The show is a mess - that fans of Hibs are now tuning into Clyde SSB tells you everything you need to know. Unfortunately, unlike commercial stations, those at the BBC feel they are immune to criticism.

[mjhibby]

It’s actually quite striking how balanced super-scoreboard is. The likes of Hugh Keevins and Rodger bailie give both sides of the story but unlike the unbelievable sportsound admit it’s time to move on. Considering Ssb is listened more by the bigot bros fans then sympathy for hertz is evaporating. The media love the civil war angle as it’s good copy but very few of the headline writers are with hertz now. They think if they keep shouting folk will listen. The horse has bolted, the games a bogie etc etc. Hopefully Wednesday brings this to a close but I’m sure hertz will appeal if/when they lose. The French ruling has killed what little chance they had. They are making it so hard now for the SPFL to offer any compensation with their behaviour. Supporters of other clubs will not forget their behaviour I’m sure. The season will start on time, virus abating hopefully. It’s already going to be a weird season but this is just making it surreal.

[we are hibs]

I take great delight in Falkirk's suffering. Angry little club with a massive chip on their shoulder.

[Coco Bryce]

It’s actually quite striking how balanced super-scoreboard is. The likes of Hugh Keevins and Rodger bailie give both sides of the story but unlike the unbelievable sportsound admit it’s time to move on. Considering Ssb is listened more by the bigot bros fans then sympathy for hertz is evaporating. The media love the civil war angle as it’s good copy but very few of the headline writers are with hertz now. They think if they keep shouting folk will listen. The horse has bolted, the games a bogie etc etc. Hopefully Wednesday brings this to a close but I’m sure hertz will appeal if/when they lose. The French ruling has killed what little chance they had. They are making it so hard now for the SPFL to offer any compensation with their behaviour. Supporters of other clubs will not forget their behaviour I’m sure. The season will start on time, virus abating hopefully. It’s already going to be a weird season but this is just making it surreal.

I was surprised just how much better it is. Maybe be different once the bigot brothers start playing again though.

One thing for sure, I'm finished with Sportsound and that complete throbber English.

[007]

The Falkirk chairman is putting his tuppence worth in. Every time he makes unsubtle comments about recent events, such as votes etc. you can almost imagine him talking behind his hand and you can hear Gordon and English snidely laughing at his innuendo. They’re pals at the berries. :rolleyes:

Ps. The Jambos think he is the best thing to hit Sportsound for ages.


English asked if a vote on the future governance structure of the league would amount to a vote of confidence in ND and MM. Deans said categorically it wouldn’t.

I find it funny the number of chairmen and pundits who were in favour of reconstruction that subsequently became critical of the governance and voting structure. It's as if they can’t accept the fact they were on the losing side of the argument and that it is therefore the structure/process that is wrong rather than them.

It is a safe bet that if we'd had the structure/process they want with the board making the decisions rather than the members and if said board had made the same decisions as we've had then they'd still be complaining that the structure and process were wrong.

[Billy Whizz]

Levein again on today’s podcast, hope he’s not getting a fee for this

I’ll be giving it a miss

[JohnMcM]

Is there anyone here who knows if and how the listening figures for Sportsound can be viewed? Thanks.

[Tug Wilson]

I note that the BBC Sport website still has the Hearts sign Gordon story in their Scottish Premiership section.

Whilst the stories on Dundee United's search for a new manager is in the Scottish Championship section.

Surely this should be the other way round.

Come on SPFL, get the fixtures out with DU in the Premiership. See if BBC Sport accept Hearts aren't in the top league then!

[PatHead]

I note that the BBC Sport website still has the Hearts sign Gordon story in their Scottish Premiership section.

Whilst the stories on Dundee United's search for a new manager is in the Scottish Championship section.

Surely this should be the other way round.

Come on SPFL, get the fixtures out with DU in the Premiership. See if BBC Sport accept Hearts aren't in the top league then!

It could be argued that the Gordon story is in the Premiership section as he played for Celtic.

[Jim44]

It could be argued that the Gordon story is in the Premiership section as he played for Celtic.

Plausible, but, nah, it’s just another example of the BBC’s ineptitude and lack of attention to detail.

[Tomsk]

I note that the BBC Sport website still has the Hearts sign Gordon story in their Scottish Premiership section.

Whilst the stories on Dundee United's search for a new manager is in the Scottish Championship section.

Surely this should be the other way round.

Come on SPFL, get the fixtures out with DU in the Premiership. See if BBC Sport accept Hearts aren't in the top league then!

You think that's bad?

Read this and weep.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53027194

Sweet Jesus! I know Scotland have been cack for years but shoorly tae **** they haven't been so bad that women would get a game!

[Saturday Boy]

You think that's bad?

Read this and weep.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53027194

Sweet Jesus! I know Scotland have been cack for years but shoorly tae **** they haven't been so bad that women would get a game!

Last Scotland National Team to qualify for the Euros? The last Scotland National Team to qualify for the World Cup?

[Tomsk]

Last Scotland National Team to qualify for the Euros? The last Scotland National Team to qualify for the World Cup?

1996 and 1998.

Easy. Ask a hard one.

[BS44]

1996 and 1998.

Easy. Ask a hard one.

Okay. Longest word in dictionary that doesn't contain letter e? Nae cheating

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Levein again on today’s podcast, hope he’s not getting a fee for this

I’ll be giving it a miss

He will be on at least twice a week until he gets another job in football - a good while yet! [emoji3525]

[Hibby70]

Okay. Longest word in dictionary that doesn't contain letter e? Nae cheating

Bananarama? Only joking it's
suprcalifragilisticspalidocious

[majorhibs]

Okay. Longest word in dictionary that doesn't contain letter e? Nae cheating

Whid that be antidisestablishmentarianism? My infos ootae date.

[joebakerforever]

Okay. Longest word in dictionary that doesn't contain letter e? Nae cheating


floccinaucinihilipilification which in Hearts case regarding majority voting is appropriate :cool2:

[Col2]

Today’s podcast

Usual Hearts/Patrick can do no wrong.

Then very negative about Hibs signing players when club making cuts. Go on about it for a while. Still no mention of season ticket sales (materially higher than everyone bar OF.

Craig Gordon and Robbie Neilson signed - big wages and compensation yet club cut wages by 50% and are pleading poverty given relegation. No criticism of any of that of course.

Rounded off with what a great bit of business it would be for Aberdeen to offload top scorer Sam Cosgrove.

Is it any wonder no chairman, owners etc other than the angry mob go on that show anymore?

[Ronniekirk]

It’s become an irrelevance for me won’t listen to it others should do the same


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[The 90+2]

It’s become an irrelevance for me won’t listen to it others should do the same


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This. Used to really like it and have stuck up for the show so many times but it’s balls grating now. Superscoreboard is miles better.

[Cammy]

Today’s podcast

Usual Hearts/Patrick can do no wrong.

Then very negative about Hibs signing players when club making cuts. Go on about it for a while. Still no mention of season ticket sales (materially higher than everyone bar OF.

Craig Gordon and Robbie Neilson signed - big wages and compensation yet club cut wages by 50% and are pleading poverty given relegation. No criticism of any of that of course.

Rounded off with what a great bit of business it would be for Aberdeen to offload top scorer Sam Cosgrove.

Is it any wonder no chairman, owners etc other than the angry mob go on that show anymore?

For once I thought TE was a bit more balanced and I think he described the signings as being very astute. He didn’t get drawn into the redundancies/deferments quite as much as Billy Dodds (utter fud). No discussion about our ST sales or the fact that the redundancies are being made to parts of the business where there will be no activity for a while.

[Cammy]

This. Used to really like it and have stuck up for the show so many times but it’s balls grating now. Superscoreboard is miles better.

:agree:

[poolman]

Today’s podcast

Usual Hearts/Patrick can do no wrong.

Then very negative about Hibs signing players when club making cuts. Go on about it for a while. Still no mention of season ticket sales (materially higher than everyone bar OF.

Craig Gordon and Robbie Neilson signed - big wages and compensation yet club cut wages by 50% and are pleading poverty given relegation. No criticism of any of that of course.

Rounded off with what a great bit of business it would be for Aberdeen to offload top scorer Sam Cosgrove.

Is it any wonder no chairman, owners etc other than the angry mob go on that show anymore?


Don't listen to it now, it just put me in a bad mood listening to their drivel

[Alfred E Newman]

You think that's bad?

Read this and weep.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53027194

Sweet Jesus! I know Scotland have been cack for years but shoorly tae **** they haven't been so bad that women would get a game!

You had better get used to it. Political Correctness is the future unfortunately.

[green day]

It’s become an irrelevance for me won’t listen to it others should do the same


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100% this.

I genuinely dont mind criticism of our club if it is merited (e.g the bottle throwing etc), but - as has been mentioned - we seem to be getting a doing for what every other club sees as BAU, cutting costs.

Maybe we shouldnt sign players and just let them all go to Hearts?

[hibee316]

You had better get used to it. Political Correctness is the future unfortunately.

It's never been the same since they got the vote I tell ya!

... am I doing this right?

[mjhibby]

This. Used to really like it and have stuck up for the show so many times but it’s balls grating now. Superscoreboard is miles better.

Sportsound is cringeworthily bad. Sounds like hertz and Partick tv. Now getting to the stage it’s like a bad parody of only an excuse. Can’t recommend superscoreboard enough. It’s what spirtsound was in the days of Craig Paterson and Steve Cowan.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Today’s podcast

Usual Hearts/Patrick can do no wrong.

Then very negative about Hibs signing players when club making cuts. Go on about it for a while. Still no mention of season ticket sales (materially higher than everyone bar OF.

Craig Gordon and Robbie Neilson signed - big wages and compensation yet club cut wages by 50% and are pleading poverty given relegation. No criticism of any of that of course.

Rounded off with what a great bit of business it would be for Aberdeen to offload top scorer Sam Cosgrove.

Is it any wonder no chairman, owners etc other than the angry mob go on that show anymore?

They did mention Craig Gordon signing (Brian Mc I think).

They’re right - players in the dressing room will be asking why they’ve taken a pay cut / deferral if we’ve got £250k kicking about.

I’m all for criticising them but only when deserved.

[The 90+2]

Sportsound is cringeworthily bad. Sounds like hertz and Partick tv. Now getting to the stage it’s like a bad parody of only an excuse. Can’t recommend superscoreboard enough. It’s what spirtsound was in the days of Craig Paterson and Steve Cowan.

Good call. They are utterly taking the piss getting Levein on too. I’m done with it and not even annoyed like, just **** so that’s that.

[The 90+2]

They did mention Craig Gordon signing (Brian Mc I think).

They’re right - players in the dressing room will be asking why they’ve taken a pay cut / deferral if we’ve got £250k kicking about.

I’m all for criticising them but only when deserved.

I’m hoping it was or has been explained that having a winning team is best for everyone in the grand scheme of things and having full wages in a team kicking about relegation wouldn’t be good for future prospects.

[Iggy Pope]

People still listening to the wit and boredom of Sportsound. **** that.

Hibs cut their cloth like every business does. I hope the cash-strapped BBC do just that and start with maybe, Gordon, English and in other parts of their offices that twisted **** Kuenssberg.
Job losses at Hibs though, is not like Thatcher murdering the pits or the rest of our industry, galvanising the Sun readers into illegal war or like Tony Bliar and Gordon Brown robbing our own bank accounts.

No quality on the park and we like every club are fundamentally screwed. Then we’ve not only got a life of misery but we’ve no football team either.

Signed
A. Socialist. (And a ****ing good Hibby)
(That’s a Welshian reference by the way, before the uberfan stuff starts )

[Peevemor]

They did mention Craig Gordon signing (Brian Mc I think).

They’re right - players in the dressing room will be asking why they’ve taken a pay cut / deferral if we’ve got £250k kicking about.

I’m all for criticising them but only when deserved.If Hibs improve the squad and win more matches, all players involved will be happier and will earn more money in bonuses.

Not signing anyone and skulking about in 10th place will only make moral worse.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If Hibs improve the squad and win more matches, all players involved will be happier and will earn more money in bonuses.

Not signing anyone and skulking about in 10th place will only make moral worse.

I don’t disagree - I just think that unless the players buy in to this view there will be grumbling a from some. Probably from those that have a wife who’s in their ear about it.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Listening to BBC Scotland for either for sports coverage or political coverage is much easier when you are not giving them any money.

Tom English and a tax evader like "Wee Doadsy" or someone called 'Biscuits' will be picking up fees to pontificate their drivel which is fair enough but its also fair that just like every other radio station its on a free to listen basis for the listener.

[Sammy7nil]

Listening to BBC Scotland for either for sports coverage or political coverage is much easier when you are not giving them any money.

Tom English and a tax evader like "Wee Doadsy" or someone called 'Biscuits' will be picking up fees to pontificate their drivel which is fair enough but its also fair that just like every other radio station its on a free to listen basis for the listener.

There is a lot wrong with the BBC but for £150 a year it is great value and it will only be missed when it is gone.

[Tug Wilson]

There is a lot wrong with the BBC but for £150 a year it is great value and it will only be missed when it is gone.

Agreed

[The Baldmans Comb]

There is a lot wrong with the BBC but for £150 a year it is great value and it will only be missed when it is gone.

£150 is that how much it is. I hadnt realised that's how much it has crept up these days.

Thanks for that as I will increase my donations to far more deserving media outlets that serve this country in far more beneficial ways.✅

[bigwheel]

£150 is that how much it is. I hadnt realised that's how much it has crept up these days.

Thanks for that as I will increase my donations to far more deserving media outlets that serve this country in far more beneficial ways.[emoji736]

There’s a lot wrong with the BBC , but I’d pay 150 quid for BBC6 and their sounds app alone ...there’s still a lot right with it ....

[Billy Whizz]

There’s a lot wrong with the BBC , but I’d pay 150 quid for BBC6 and their sounds app alone ...there’s still a lot right with it ....

What’s on BBC6

[bigwheel]

What’s on BBC6

Radio station

[CropleyWasGod]

£150 is that how much it is. I hadnt realised that's how much it has crept up these days.

Thanks for that as I will increase my donations to far more deserving media outlets that serve this country in far more beneficial ways.✅

I can't think of any broadcaster that serves the public better from a musical point of view, and that without the handcuffs of the advertisers. £150 is a very small price to pay for that alone.

[Eyrie]

Most of the criticism of the BBC is based on its failure to be an echo chamber for the views of the critic.

I have no problem paying for what I find to be relatively unbiased if occasionally annoying coverage of current events.

[mjhibby]

Most of the criticism of the BBC is based on its failure to be an echo chamber for the views of the critic.

I have no problem paying for what I find to be relatively unbiased if occasionally annoying coverage of current events.

Unfortunately the bbc is now scared to tell the truth due to continuing threats to its funding. Has become click bait journalism like other outlets. Very little I watch on the bbc but five live and tms on the radio are excellent. As for BBC Scotland sport coverage. Dearie me it’s just bleeding awful.Excruitiatingly so.

[Eyrie]

Unfortunately the bbc is now scared to tell the truth due to continuing threats to its funding. Has become click bait journalism like other outlets. Very little I watch on the bbc but five live and tms on the radio are excellent. As for BBC Scotland sport coverage. Dearie me it’s just bleeding awful.Excruitiatingly so.

Thank you for proving my point.

[mjhibby]

Doesn’t prove your point I’m afraid. The bbc used to be fearless in reporting now its fearful of losing the licence fee. Shocking they feel like this.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

So it's an afternoon of hearts and ripping hibs. Cracking

[Ronniekirk]

What’s on BBC6

Good music none of your Prefab Sprout lol


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[Antonyopus]

Its an absolute disgrace to think that BBC Sportsound is biased towards Hearts. They Only have have Neil McCann, Tom English and Robbie Neilson on today. I Am so looking forward to some fair unbiased views this afternoon. Its what I pay my licence fee for.

[hhibs]

Most of the criticism of the BBC is based on its failure to be an echo chamber for the views of the critic.

I have no problem paying for what I find to be relatively unbiased if occasionally annoying coverage of current events.


None so blind that cannot see,none so deaf as cannot hear.

[Billy Whizz]

Good music none of your Prefab Sprout lol


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What a cheek Ronnie, Prefab are one of the best Pop bands of the last 30 years

[Bishop Hibee]

What a cheek Ronnie, Prefab are one of the best Pop bands of the last 30 years

I’m with you Billy. Get played on R6 too.

Just don’t listen to the Hearts Show. I gave up before it reached the current extremes.

[Clarence]

I’m a regular listener and find it hilarious. I’m content with the fact that all their whitabootery will never change the fact that they are a rank rotten Championship level team that rely upon a begging bowl to stay afloat.

[Iggy Pope]

Good music none of your Prefab Sprout lol


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Might be an in joke but I’ve heard plenty of Prefab Sprout on 6music. Radcliffe & Maconie for instance seem to admire them. And so do I. The Steve McQueen LP is a work of art.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Its an absolute disgrace to think that BBC Sportsound is biased towards Hearts. They Only have have Neil McCann, Tom English and Robbie Neilson on today. I Am so looking forward to some fair unbiased views this afternoon. Its what I pay my licence fee for.

Unbelievable. That’s all one way traffic with that narrative

Certainly won’t be listening in

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Hearts cheerleaders on today.


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[Danderhall Hibs]

Does Robbie Neilson think his promotion should be struck from the records and his CV?

[givescotlandfreedom]

Does Robbie Neilson think his promotion should be struck from the records and his CV?

Great question. One they'd be way too feared to ask.

[poolman]

Its an absolute disgrace to think that BBC Sportsound is biased towards Hearts. They Only have have Neil McCann, Tom English and Robbie Neilson on today. I Am so looking forward to some fair unbiased views this afternoon. Its what I pay my licence fee for.


Absolutely no one to give another opinion, and has been for weeks, no wonder I've stopped listening

Who's on tomorrow I wonder ?

McCann, Pressley, English, Levein and Naismith ?

[Ronniekirk]

What a cheek Ronnie, Prefab are one of the best Pop bands of the last 30 years

Was only teasing you Billy have got four of tbier Albums


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[supermcginn]

Absolutely no one to give another opinion, and has been for weeks, no wonder I've stopped listening

Who's on tomorrow I wonder ?

McCann, Pressley, English, Levein and Naismith ?

Just shows how far the BBC has sunk. Not had anyone at the top level on for years.

[xyz23jc]

Absolutely no one to give another opinion, and has been for weeks, no wonder I've stopped listening

Who's on tomorrow I wonder ?

McCann, Pressley, English, Levein and Naismith ?

Billy Brown....Been ther dun hings, absolutely ragin'....! :greengrin

[Since452]

Absolutely no one to give another opinion, and has been for weeks, no wonder I've stopped listening

Who's on tomorrow I wonder ?

McCann, Pressley, English, Levein and Naismith ?

With special guest Rudi Satchel

[Irish_Steve]

With special guest Rudi Satchel

Wonder if he would take a fee like he did that time he came across to pull pints for Hearts fans lol

[Andy74]

The BBC have a story up about the Dundee wage cuts. They decide to mention Hibs at the end of the article.

[Aldo]

The BBC have a story up about the Dundee wage cuts. They decide to mention Hibs at the end of the article.

Can help themselves can they. Every opportunity to stick the knife in!


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[Sammy7nil]

Why is McCann allowed to say week after week totally unchallenged there was an easy simple solution to prevent this mess. It is clear at least 30 clubs and nine of the top flight did not fancy a ****ty 14 team league however it appears EVERYONE was wrong and McCann was right it was simple just save Hearts and to **** with everyone else.

[Col2]

Why is McCann allowed to say week after week totally unchallenged there was an easy simple solution to prevent this mess. It is clear at least 30 clubs and nine of the top flight did not fancy a ****ty 14 team league however it appears EVERYONE was wrong and McCann was right it was simple just save Hearts and to **** with everyone else.

McCann is now top of a long list of complete knob ends. He talks like he has any credible managerial experience and clearly can’t help himself when he shows his emotion that his beloved Hearts have been relegated. He switches from “no harm reconstruction model” to “should have just been able to finish the season”. He like others are unwilling to entertain any other arguments and it’s clear he doesn’t listen, always desperate to wax lyrical about his very limited experiences.

A total fud and an unlikeable prick.

[The Harp Awakes]

Most of the criticism of the BBC is based on its failure to be an echo chamber for the views of the critic.

I have no problem paying for what I find to be relatively unbiased if occasionally annoying coverage of current events.

Over my lifetime I have always been an avid BBC viewer, particularly for news events as I think generally their coverage is second to none.

However, over the last 6 years the BBC have let themselves down badly. Their unashamed, pro-union coverage of the 2014 independence referendum was a disgrace, as was their Sport's team's ridicilous coverage over the calling of the league by the SPFL during Covid.

Their complaint process is laughable as there is no accountability. Massive reform needed for the BBC as they are a dinosaur in the new transparent world we all live in.

[Sammy7nil]

£150 is that how much it is. I hadnt realised that's how much it has crept up these days.

Thanks for that as I will increase my donations to far more deserving media outlets that serve this country in far more beneficial ways.✅

Well done :aok: but it would be far more ethical if you just stopped using the TV, radio and on line services the BBC provide that you don't contribute to because obviously you are far too clever and radical to do so.

[Jdawg]

McCann is now top of a long list of complete knob ends. He talks like he has any credible managerial experience and clearly can’t help himself when he shows his emotion that his beloved Hearts have been relegated. He switches from “no harm reconstruction model” to “should have just been able to finish the season”. He like others are unwilling to entertain any other arguments and it’s clear he doesn’t listen, always desperate to wax lyrical about his very limited experiences.

A total fud and an unlikeable prick.

Initially, I thought he was promoting Heart’s case as he wanted the manager’s job. How wrong was I, just a thick, clueless knob.

Scottish Government gave a start date of 1/8/20 and that’s not even set in stone.

[greenpaper55]

Over my lifetime I have always been an avid BBC viewer, particularly for news events as I think generally their coverage is second to none.

However, over the last 6 years the BBC have let themselves down badly. Their unashamed, pro-union coverage of the 2014 independence referendum was a disgrace, as was their Sport's team's ridicilous coverage over the calling of the league by the SPFL during Covid.

Their complaint process is laughable as there is no accountability. Massive reform needed for the BBC as they are a dinosaur in the new transparent world we all live in.

Here we go again, you lost the referendum because of the BBC ! aye right. Try looking at Brian Taylor's unbiased reporting ! of his Queen Nicola, it would give you the Boke !

[Iggy Pope]

McCann is now top of a long list of complete knob ends. He talks like he has any credible managerial experience and clearly can’t help himself when he shows his emotion that his beloved Hearts have been relegated. He switches from “no harm reconstruction model” to “should have just been able to finish the season”. He like others are unwilling to entertain any other arguments and it’s clear he doesn’t listen, always desperate to wax lyrical about his very limited experiences.

A total fud and an unlikeable prick.

I never listen to it although I’ve no doubt he’s all those things. Don’t think Hearts are his beloved though. Far from it.

[The Harp Awakes]

Here we go again, you lost the referendum because of the BBC ! aye right. Try looking at Brian Taylor's unbiased reporting ! of his Queen Nicola, it would give you the Boke !

The clue is the first B in the acronym. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Keep seeing what you want to see, but one day you may have an upbrupt wake up call.

Neutrality is what is needed in news and sports coverage and then everyone can make up their own minds. Wake up sir and throw away your bias.

[Sammy7nil]

The clue is the first B in the acronym. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Keep seeing what you want to see, but one day you may have an upbrupt wake up call.

Neutrality is what is needed in news and sports coverage and then everyone can make up their own minds. Wake up sir and throw away your bias.

As long as listeners have an opinion they will always think there is a bias. Just look at this debacle both Hearts and Hibs fans claiming unprecedented bias.

If you actually listen the BBC try very hard on their NEWS programmes to be fair and balanced.

[J-C]

As long as listeners have an opinion they will always think there is a bias. Just look at this debacle both Hearts and Hibs fans claiming unprecedented bias.

If you actually listen the BBC try very hard on their NEWS programmes to be fair and balanced.


I give you Laura Kuenssberg

[Sammy7nil]

I give you Laura Kuenssberg

I could give you several others the BBC has thousands of people working all across the county at national and local level. As I have said earlier there is a lot wrong with the BBC but you won't appreciate what was great until it is gone.

[mjhibby]

I could give you several others the BBC has thousands of people working all across the county at national and local level. As I have said earlier there is a lot wrong with the BBC but you won't appreciate what was great until it is gone.

Agreed but it doesn’t mean it’s immune from criticism. Unfortunately as the polarisation of the media gets worse and worse it is losing its willingness to report uncomfortable facts. The mere fact BBC Scotland sport has become such a joke highlights this. Their coverage of the last three months is just beyond belief. The fact that nobody from hibs or Celtic go on the programme sums it up. The show is one massive echo chamber with utterly no balance whatsoever. That’s why the bbc is being slated. It’s actually a shocking indictment that most on here don’t listen to it when it was essential listening a few years ago. The fact that superscoreboard with the audience they have can make a very good product really is a damning indictment of sport sound..

[northgreen24]

I’m quite sure they would love to have the other side on and they have made it clear that no one will come on. My only real issue is TE (You would expect bias from ex Hearts players so no problem) he has taken a path of poor hearts since the start and is blinkered to all their OWN failings. He comes up with no solution and even backed the daft 14 team just to keep hearts in with zero opinion given on the long term impact of meaningless games or larger future relegations

Stopped listening a few weeks again but will tune in the day after this is all finally put to rest for a Chuckle

[Sammy7nil]

Agreed but it doesn’t mean it’s immune from criticism. Unfortunately as the polarisation of the media gets worse and worse it is losing its willingness to report uncomfortable facts. The mere fact BBC Scotland sport has become such a joke highlights this. Their coverage of the last three months is just beyond belief. The fact that nobody from hibs or Celtic go on the programme sums it up. The show is one massive echo chamber with utterly no balance whatsoever. That’s why the bbc is being slated. It’s actually a shocking indictment that most on here don’t listen to it when it was essential listening a few years ago. The fact that superscoreboard with the audience they have can make a very good product really is a damning indictment of sport sound..

Can't argue with much of that however there is little they can do if they invite people on to the show and they refuse. No one wants to put their head above the parapet and call out Budge and Hearts so we are left with Hearts and Budge apologists fighting their corner with the odd interjection from the host to try and add some balance. An impossible task, when Collins was on even he was fighting Hearts corner.

You are right though one of the "journalists" should have detailed exactly why a 14 team league is unacceptable and how all teams bar the champions have been negatively impacted.

[Rumble de Thump]

Can't argue with much of that however there is little they can do if they invite people on to the show and they refuse. No one wants to put their head above the parapet and call out Budge and Hearts so we are left with Hearts and Budge apologists fighting their corner with the odd interjection from the host to try and add some balance. An impossible task, when Collins was on even he was fighting Hearts corner.

You are right though one of the "journalists" should have detailed exactly why a 14 team league is unacceptable and how all teams bar the champions have been negatively impacted.

Anyone who has been on and not shown extreme sympathy toewards Hearts has basically been lambasted and ridiculed by the BBC journalists and pundits. When you say there's nothing the BBC can do. Well, they could have not done that.

[Spike Mandela]

I’m quite sure they would love to have the other side on and they have made it clear that no one will come on. My only real issue is TE (You would expect bias from ex Hearts players so no problem) he has taken a path of poor hearts since the start and is blinkered to all their OWN failings. He comes up with no solution and even backed the daft 14 team just to keep hearts in with zero opinion given on the long term impact of meaningless games or larger future relegations

Stopped listening a few weeks again but will tune in the day after this is all finally put to rest for a Chuckle

He’s a Hearts supporter.

[Iain G]

Agreed but it doesn’t mean it’s immune from criticism. Unfortunately as the polarisation of the media gets worse and worse it is losing its willingness to report uncomfortable facts. The mere fact BBC Scotland sport has become such a joke highlights this. Their coverage of the last three months is just beyond belief. The fact that nobody from hibs or Celtic go on the programme sums it up. The show is one massive echo chamber with utterly no balance whatsoever. That’s why the bbc is being slated. It’s actually a shocking indictment that most on here don’t listen to it when it was essential listening a few years ago. The fact that superscoreboard with the audience they have can make a very good product really is a damning indictment of sport sound..

As long as I can remember the football coverage in Scotland from the BBC and STV has been amature at best and downright woeful for most of it. I give you Sarah O on scotsport as a prime example.

I have always thought the issue is that the media don't think the product can stand on it own and need to dress it up somehow in novelty or controversy to make it appeal more interesting? It's a very Scottish attitude that we are a bit sheepish and apologetic about it all when we should be embracing and promoting the game for the unique offering that it is.

Having the same old face entrenched in broadcasting doesn't help and I even enjoyed listening to Tom English bringing a different voice to things when he first came in but he has also dissapeared down the rabbit hole of the laughable and embarrassing BBC football coverage.

Our football isnt all shiny and full of money like the EPL but that's what makes it what it is and we should embrace and celebrate that and it deserves genuine quality coverage from the media in Scotland.

[lucky]

I generally don’t buy into the BBC being biased or even having an agenda against Hibs but their lead story about Dundee forcing pay cuts on their team mentions Hibs taking action in June for no apparent reason.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53369704 I’m struggling to see how they are connected, surely if a journalist wanted to use a club that had done something similar then it should have been Budgie doing the exact same thing to her players not Hibs engaging in consultation over cuts.

[mjhibby]

As long as I can remember the football coverage in Scotland from the BBC and STV has been amature at best and downright woeful for most of it. I give you Sarah O on scotsport as a prime example.

I have always thought the issue is that the media don't think the product can stand on it own and need to dress it up somehow in novelty or controversy to make it appeal more interesting? It's a very Scottish attitude that we are a bit sheepish and apologetic about it all when we should be embracing and promoting the game for the unique offering that it is.

Having the same old face entrenched in broadcasting doesn't help and I even enjoyed listening to Tom English bringing a different voice to things when he first came in but he has also dissapeared down the rabbit hole of the laughable and embarrassing BBC football coverage.

Our football isnt all shiny and full of money like the EPL but that's what makes it what it is and we should embrace and celebrate that and it deserves genuine quality coverage from the media in Scotland.

Agreed. Maybe it’s just nostalgia but how I remember Archie and Arthur and how enjoyable scotsport and sportscene were.

[Moulin Yarns]

As long as I can remember the football coverage in Scotland from the BBC and STV has been amature at best and downright woeful for most of it. I give you Sarah O on scotsport as a prime example.

I have always thought the issue is that the media don't think the product can stand on it own and need to dress it up somehow in novelty or controversy to make it appeal more interesting? It's a very Scottish attitude that we are a bit sheepish and apologetic about it all when we should be embracing and promoting the game for the unique offering that it is.

Having the same old face entrenched in broadcasting doesn't help and I even enjoyed listening to Tom English bringing a different voice to things when he first came in but he has also dissapeared down the rabbit hole of the laughable and embarrassing BBC football coverage.

Our football isnt all shiny and full of money like the EPL but that's what makes it what it is and we should embrace and celebrate that and it deserves genuine quality coverage from the media in Scotland.

I agree about Tom English, he brought a fresh perspective when he first started on BBC scotland but has reached the lowest common denominator.

[Hibs90]

BBC couldn't be more biased if it tried. I'm sure there are lots of good working people and staff at the organization but the overall output from a Sports point of view in Scotland is very much pro Hearts/Celtic and I for one won't be listening to that *****.

[ekhibee]

Over my lifetime I have always been an avid BBC viewer, particularly for news events as I think generally their coverage is second to none.

However, over the last 6 years the BBC have let themselves down badly. Their unashamed, pro-union coverage of the 2014 independence referendum was a disgrace, as was their Sport's team's ridicilous coverage over the calling of the league by the SPFL during Covid.

Their complaint process is laughable as there is no accountability. Massive reform needed for the BBC as they are a dinosaur in the new transparent world we all live in.

Totally agree with every word.

[matty_f]

Can't argue with much of that however there is little they can do if they invite people on to the show and they refuse. No one wants to put their head above the parapet and call out Budge and Hearts so we are left with Hearts and Budge apologists fighting their corner with the odd interjection from the host to try and add some balance. An impossible task, when Collins was on even he was fighting Hearts corner.

You are right though one of the "journalists" should have detailed exactly why a 14 team league is unacceptable and how all teams bar the champions have been negatively impacted.

I disagree with this, i get the part about it being difficult to present an opposing view if people aren’t willing to come on, however in those circumstances you need the host to start asking questions to challenge the narrative, and force the likes of Tom English to consider/explain the opposing views.

Simple things like “what do you think was it about a fourteen team top flight that proved to be unpopular?” “How could the season have been finished?” etc, it’s basic stuff but gets the different perspective across, or at least discussed.

[Caversham Green]

Anyone who has been on and not shown extreme sympathy toewards Hearts has basically been lambasted and ridiculed by the BBC journalists and pundits. When you say there's nothing the BBC can do. Well, they could have not done that.

There was a post on Kickedoot a few weeks ago complaining about anti-Hearts bias because someone (I forget who) was on defending the SPFL's decision. The post the went on to say that he was soon shouted down by Levein and Pressley. They don't do irony.

Anyway, I think part of the problem is that in the current climate any counter argument will be seen as a direct attack on Hearts and Budge and few people in the game would want to be seen in that light, particularly in view of the blustering outrage from English etc. that would follow. The argument in the other direction is against the system and the league in general rather than a personal attack on anyone. Doncaster is the exception but he seems to be fair game.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yogi and John rankine are on the show today. Fingers crossed it's not a Jambo fest

[PatHead]

There was a post on Kickedoot a few weeks ago complaining about anti-Hearts bias because someone (I forget who) was on defending the SPFL's decision. The post the went on to say that he was soon shouted down by Levein and Pressley. They don't do irony.

Anyway, I think part of the problem is that in the current climate any counter argument will be seen as a direct attack on Hearts and Budge and few people in the game would want to be seen in that light, particularly in view of the blustering outrage from English etc. that would follow. The argument in the other direction is against the system and the league in general rather than a personal attack on anyone. Doncaster is the exception but he seems to be fair game.

I'm not sure that people are worried about being seen to attack Hearts. I just think it is that there is really nothing they could add to the matter.

There really is nothing to add to the clubs final decision on reconstruction. That ship has sailed. The other clubs are getting on with preparing for the new season which is what Hearts should be doing.

Why get involved in an argument when there is no need?

[hibeerealist]

BBC couldn't be more biased if it tried. I'm sure there are lots of good working people and staff at the organization but the overall output from a Sports point of view in Scotland is very much pro Hearts/Celtic and I for one won't be listening to that *****.

Yet the Duncans think it is biased against them!!!

[hhibs]

Totally agree with every word.


+1

[Moulin Yarns]

Willie Henderson has been on choosing his team. I remember when I lived in Falkirk some workmates and I would play 5 a side at Polmont and he was occasionally drafted in to make up numbers. This was about 35 years ago. He would be in trackie bottoms, aran sweater and flat cap. Commanded the games by standing on the half way line and one touch passing. Hellish to play against, I would opt for goals if he was playing.

[my left peg]

Yogi and John rankine are on the show today. Fingers crossed it's not a Jambo festI'm sure John Rankin works for hearts!

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[mjhibby]

I disagree with this, i get the part about it being difficult to present an opposing view if people aren’t willing to come on, however in those circumstances you need the host to start asking questions to challenge the narrative, and force the likes of Tom English to consider/explain the opposing views.

Simple things like “what do you think was it about a fourteen team top flight that proved to be unpopular?” “How could the season have been finished?” etc, it’s basic stuff but gets the different perspective across, or at least discussed.

👏👏

[Kojock]

There was a post on Kickedoot a few weeks ago complaining about anti-Hearts bias because someone (I forget who) was on defending the SPFL's decision. The post the went on to say that he was soon shouted down by Levein and Pressley. They don't do irony.

Anyway, I think part of the problem is that in the current climate any counter argument will be seen as a direct attack on Hearts and Budge and few people in the game would want to be seen in that light, particularly in view of the blustering outrage from English etc. that would follow. The argument in the other direction is against the system and the league in general rather than a personal attack on anyone. Doncaster is the exception but he seems to be fair game.

It was the presenter Richard Gordon they don’t seem to like home over the road 😂

[oldbutdim]

I'm sure John Rankin works for hearts!

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He does.

He's a youth coach there.

Surprise surprise.


The constant trickle of pro-Hearts publicity is pretty tedious.

[heretoday]

Agreed. Maybe it’s just nostalgia but how I remember Archie and Arthur and how enjoyable scotsport and sportscene were.

They did have the luxury of reporting on better quality players in Scotland in those days. I used to like Bob Crampsey who managed to talk intelligently and interestingly about football - no hype required.

[Iggy Pope]

They did have the luxury of reporting on better quality players in Scotland in those days. I used to like Bob Crampsey who managed to talk intelligently and interestingly about football - no hype required.

I could’ve listened to Bob Crampsey talking about football all day. A very good writer too, a proper journalist if you will. A million miles removed from what passes for the profession today.

[mjhibby]

He does.

He's a youth coach there.

Surprise surprise.


The constant trickle of pro-Hearts publicity is pretty tedious.

Most clubs aren’t interested in the nonsense by hertz and Partick. The only ones bothered are those it affects. It fills the back pages but as you say how many times can you say the same thing over and over. Superscoreboard constantly says its time to move on. Most fans in Scotland says its time to move on but still we hear the tiresome bores from gorgie.Once the season kicks off the SPFL fans wont give a hoot about hertz.

[LeithMike]

I could’ve listened to Bob Crampsey talking about football all day. A very good writer too, a proper journalist if you will. A million miles removed from what passes for the profession today.Those were the days. David Francie, Bob Crampsey, even John Greig was good value and not too partizan either.

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[Roxyhibee]

They did have the luxury of reporting on better quality players in Scotland in those days. I used to like Bob Crampsey who managed to talk intelligently and interestingly about football - no hype required.

God I genuinely genuinely miss the likes of Bob Crampsey. The man was a living academic passionate encyclopaedia of the beautiful game. Just saying his name is a reminder of how the world of Scottish football ‘journalism’ is now full of squealing ill informed attention seekers contriving fake debates.

[H113EE5]

Here we go again, you lost the referendum because of the BBC ! aye right. Try looking at Brian Taylor's unbiased reporting ! of his Queen Nicola, it would give you the Boke !

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[ronaldo7]

I disagree with this, i get the part about it being difficult to present an opposing view if people aren’t willing to come on, however in those circumstances you need the host to start asking questions to challenge the narrative, and force the likes of Tom English to consider/explain the opposing views.

Simple things like “what do you think was it about a fourteen team top flight that proved to be unpopular?” “How could the season have been finished?” etc, it’s basic stuff but gets the different perspective across, or at least discussed.

Spot on. You have to wonder why he wouldn't ask such questions. He's been doing the job for many years, but over the last few months the programme has been all about the injustice (as portrayed by budge, and Partick) rather than dealving into the reasons the clubs took the decisions they did. All through this debacle, the paying listener has been more informed about the situation than some of the pundits.

The record got stuck in a groove for the last couple of months, let's hope it's sorted soon, and they can get back to telling us how well the old firm are doing.

[JimBHibees]

I disagree with this, i get the part about it being difficult to present an opposing view if people aren’t willing to come on, however in those circumstances you need the host to start asking questions to challenge the narrative, and force the likes of Tom English to consider/explain the opposing views.

Simple things like “what do you think was it about a fourteen team top flight that proved to be unpopular?” “How could the season have been finished?” etc, it’s basic stuff but gets the different perspective across, or at least discussed.

Exactly what should have happened but didn't. If such a one sided panel on the show it is the hosts key role to provide that balance unfortunately Gordon is a bit of a lapdog also (karma we got relegated apparently).

[oldbutdim]

Those were the days. David Francie, Bob Crampsey, even John Greig was good value and not too partizan either.

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John Greig was a bit of a Jambo, although I'm guessing he's not any more.

[Alfred E Newman]

Here we go again, you lost the referendum because of the BBC ! aye right. Try looking at Brian Taylor's unbiased reporting ! of his Queen Nicola, it would give you the Boke !

Correct.