Sportsound

[The Modfather]

Chick Young spoke really well earlier, I almost fainted. Tom English is struggling this afternoon.

[FilipinoHibs]

Yes, but where this is so obviously contrived, it just comes across as stupid.

Agree and they are fuelling the damage to Scottish football. Pretty despicable.

[jacomo]

Putting the popcorn aside for a second, does anyone think that the toxicity of Scottish football because of Rangers and Hearts stances won’t go away soon and that a parting of the ways is inevitable. Or is that a bit over dramatic?


The Huns have been threatening to walk away from Scottish football for years (except they don’t do walking away).

Jambos were backing Romanov’s claims of a conspiracy against their club 10 years ago.

They are both moronic supports who cannot see past their own bluster and pomposity.

Probably best ignored for now.

[FilipinoHibs]

Chick Young spoke really well earlier, I almost fainted. Tom English is struggling this afternoon.

May listen on iplayer later. English normally treats Chic with disdain. Glad he stuck the boot in to that prat.

[Waxy]

Chic Young telling the truth. Preston and English cant handle the truth.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Chick young, hearts squealing like pigs 😂

[hibsbollah]

Chick calls Ann Budge a pig :greengrin:

[PolmontHibby]

Never thought I would listen to Sportsound and enjoy listening to Chick Young......."squeeling like pigs" a cracker of a quote.
Shame that part of discussion closed down.

[green with envy]

Thankfully that's Tom English out of the discussion. What a slavering fool and for Preston, he's just thick.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Chicko reckons Herts are "squealing like a pig" :greengrin

[Hibs1969]

Putting the popcorn aside for a second, does anyone think that the toxicity of Scottish football because of Rangers and Hearts stances won’t go away soon and that a parting of the ways is inevitable. Or is that a bit over dramatic?

I’m not sure about a parting of the ways but Scottish football is currently tearing itself apart due to the horrendous ill-feeling which now exists between some clubs and the SPFL and between clubs who feel they have been hard done by and those clubs which they feel have sold them down the river.

It’s difficult to see how the toxic feelings between some clubs and the SPFL and between clubs themselves can be easily resolved once we’re out the other side of the virus. There will be a lot of ill-feeling circulating long after football has resumed.

[HFC93]

Always said Chick Young was a top bloke ;)

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Chic Young telling the truth. Preston and English cant handle the truth.

There’s a first time for everything

[hibbyfraelibby]

Chico just went up a notch in my estimation. He still has a bit of the genuine journalist in him. Slapped English down at the start and he never really recoverd. As for Preston at least he admitted that clubs are voting for self interest and that Hearts are too.

All agree the Thes resolution will fall wrll short but snidey still couldnt avoid the barbed comment.

As for the bullying allegations Donkey dealt with that correctly and I love English being put in his place by his fellow BBC employee pointing out what the Beebs process on bullying was.

The manufactured drama out of a crisis seems to have run its course.

[Waxy]

Anyone notice preston saying old curlytail is a successful business woman?

[04Sauzee]

Anyone notice preston saying old curlytail is a successful business woman?

Haha sounded like he was in tears, successfull business woman maybe. Successful at running a club no danger 😅

[Phil MaGlass]

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[ballengeich]

It was an unusual conversation for me as I found, like some others on this thread, that Doncaster and Young were the impressive performers. A democratic vote to end the season was taken, but the losers are trying to get it reversed.

Regarding reconstruction, Ann Budge was put in charge of the working party because she was the loudest complainer and it was reasonable to give her the opportunity to put together an alternative consensus. She's not been able to it and should accept the position.

There's a lot of talk about the SPFL as if it was some outside entity which imposes things on the league. It's a members' organisation with policies being set by the board which is elected by the clubs. If member clubs don't think the leagues employed officers such as Doncaster are doing their job properly they should take it up with their representatives on the board. If they're unhappy with the board's actions they are free to offer replacement representatives for election.

Regarding legal action, I hope that after the loss when Rangers took their registration embargo to court that the legal advisers have made sure all the proper procedures have been followed. Appearing in court would be an unwelcome distraction when planning for the future and helping as many clubs as possible to survive is what's needed

[ACLeith]

Anyone notice preston saying old curlytail is a successful business woman?

Being successful in one type of business doesn’t mean they will be successful in something completely different.

They needed someone to step forward with cash or else they would have ceased to exist so credit to her for doing that for the team she supports. But after that she should have appointed someone who knew what they were doing. But her ego got in the way.

Pleasing!

[steviehibsleith]

TE is a joke really needs sacking

Showed what at a complete twat he is When stating 10 clubs are unhappy.

Brora and Kelty ........ Presenter eh Tom they don’t get to vote they are not in the SPFL
yes I don’t care I’m including them

[Waxy]

Also picked up on Doncaster saying that the premier clubs had already had the talk about ending the season on friday. Knocking back reconstruction has overshadowed that completely.
Looks like the hammer blow has been delivered and we only wait the messenger now.
Get your umbrellas out folks, the toys are about to be launched big style very shortly.

[Aldo]

Also picked up on Doncaster saying that the premier clubs had already had the talk about ending the season on friday. Knocking back reconstruction has overshadowed that completely.
Looks like the hammer blow has been delivered and we only wait the messenger now.
Get your umbrellas out folks, the toys are about to be launched big style very shortly.

The sweet thing about all this is that it’s Doncaster that’ll deliver the final blow!


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[Ozyhibby]

Chick young, hearts squealing like pigs [emoji23]

Wonder if chick would have used that terminology to describe Rangers?


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[Rumble de Thump]

Budge is the one person who torpedoed the reconstruction talks. She was put in charge of the working party looking into possible reconstruction. If it was to be successful, all clubs needed to approach the discussion with open minds and seriously examine all possible options. Yet, before she even spoke to the other members of the working party, she stated in her interview with English that she had zero interest in even discussing permenant reconstruction. For her, it had to be temporary and that was that. She beat herself and only has herself to blame.

[JPrinty]

Thought David Currie done well questioning all the nonsense Tom English was spoating!

[CMurdoch]

Budge is the one person who torpedoed the reconstruction talks. She was put in charge of the working party looking into possible reconstruction. If it was to be successful, all clubs needed to approach the discussion with open minds and seriously examine all possible options. Yet, before she even spoke to the other members of the working party, she stated in her interview with English that she had zero interest in even discussing permenant reconstruction. For her, it had to be temporary and that was that. She beat herself and only has herself to blame.

Budge had no chance.

The big clubs only ever care about maximising money to themselves and therefore would only agree to a temporary reconstruction. This includes Hibs, and the laugh is would have included Hearts if they weren't currently in the ejection seat.

The small clubs want to survive in the top league where the money is, or if outside, to have a bigger chance to get into the top league and have more chance of staying there. Accordingly, they are only interested in permanent reconstruction.

Result of the above is reconstruction of any kind was always a non starter.

[Onion]

Agree and they are fuelling the damage to Scottish football. Pretty despicable.

If they didn't have this fire to stoke these media hacks would have zip to talk about and be irrelevant. If that tears football apart, so be it. It's the exact same mentality as Sevco and Hearts.

[LeithMike]

Listening to Sportsound, you can see why we are in such a mess. When the SPFL/SPL came on the scene it was a power grab by the top clubs in Scotland to let the clubs run their affairs and share the prize money amongst themselves. Similar to what was going on in England. This did away with the independent bodies of the SFL and SFA running football.

We should hardly be surprised then that all the clubs vote out of self interest and it is the majority that rules. The SPFL are not powerful enough to go against the majority of clubs - they effectively have to keep the majority of their voters sweet. The language used by Rangers and Hearts of "right" and "wrong" is dangerous and goes against the nature of the body they helped to create.

If you want a body to look after right/wrong the minority interest then you need some form of independent body with power. Scottish football doesn't have that. I think it probably should as only an independent body can properly assess fairness. The problem was that our independent bodies in the past were tainted with bias due to the parochial nature of Scottish football. It's difficult to see that ever changing.

I think Hearts have been harshly dealt with but it's the decision of the majority and in setting up the SPFL, Hearts agreed that the majority should rule. It's time to suck it up and go with what has been decided rather than threatening legal action. The clubs should then look again at reconstruction of the governing bodies and league set up in the longer-term.

Budge's claim that she is not acting out of self-interest is not credible. She must stand to lose a lot of money and if she was part of a Company's Board she would be ruled out from voting due to a conflict of interest.

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[JOD]

That Irish English guy is an embarrassment.
Keeps spouting about the disgrace of Scottish Football. He has got plenty of criticism but no solutions. He wants everyone to be fair in his own opinion. The guy is a plonker.

[Since452]

Tom English seems like an intelligent enough fellow. He's really had a nightmare during this whole episode. It's like he knows it himself but has gone too far to turn back. He's making himself look very silly. Car crash.

[Onion]

Chicko reckons Herts are "squealing like a pig" :greengrin

Love it, that's a crackling comment :thumbsup:

[Rumble de Thump]

Listening to Sportsound, you can see why we are in such a mess. When the SPFL/SPL came on the scene it was a power grab by the top clubs in Scotland to let the clubs run their affairs and share the prize money amongst themselves. Similar to what was going on in England. This did away with the independent bodies of the SFL and SFA running football.

We should hardly be surprised then that all the clubs vote out of self interest and it is the majority that rules. The SPFL are not powerful enough to go against the majority of clubs - they effectively have to keep the majority of their voters sweet. The language used by Rangers and Hearts of "right" and "wrong" is dangerous and goes against the nature of the body they helped to create.

If you want a body to look after right/wrong the minority interest then you need some form of independent body with power. Scottish football doesn't have that. I think it probably should as only an independent body can properly assess fairness. The problem was that our independent bodies in the past were tainted with bias due to the parochial nature of Scottish football. It's difficult to see that ever changing.

I think Hearts have been harshly dealt with but it's the decision of the majority and in setting up the SPFL, Hearts agreed that the majority should rule. It's time to suck it up and go with what has been decided rather than threatening legal action. The clubs should then look again at reconstruction of the governing bodies and league set up in the longer-term.

Budge's claim that she is not acting out of self-interest is not credible. She must stand to lose a lot of money and if she was part of a Company's Board she would be ruled out from voting due to a conflict of interest.

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Hearts haven't been harshly dealt with. The season has come to an end and HEarts are bottom of he league so they'll be relegated. It happens to the worst teams in leagues every season so it's nothing new. Those are the rules, which Hearts have signed up to. When something is right it's right.

[660]

Hearts fans are complaining to the BBC about chick young lol

[grunt]

Love it, that's a cracking comment :thumbsup:I read that as "crackling".

[cabbageandribs1875]

just listening to the sportsound interview with ND, the interviewer has asked ND the same freakin question about 5 times

Q has anyone reported bullying and coercion A. No
Q has anyone reported coercion and bullying. A. No
so can i just ask again neil, no team has reported bullying and coercion...A No
Q so no one has reported bullying and coercion or even cohersion and bullying..A. No

absolutely ridiculous interviews by english last week and the dude this week

[Numptie]

Chick Young was the only journalist on the show. Rest were just spouting their own self interests. TE has nowhere to go. Just keeps piling sh** on top of sh** - will he ever get over this?

[Onion]

I read that as "crackling".

Like your version better, Now fixed :thumbsup:

Funny, I was thinking Deliverance.

[hibsbollah]

Anyone notice preston saying old curlytail is a successful business woman?

Stephen Odonnell just described her as ‘Ann Budgie’.
She’s apparently now a pig and a caged bird.

[G B Young]

Wasn't able to listen today. What was Chick's take on things?

[bod]

Where or when can I listen to this ?

[DarlingtonHibee]

[QUOTE=bod;6168019]Where or when can I listen to this ?[/QUOTE


Search BBC Scotland sportsound, select podcast from the menu, probably be up, 8-9 pm

[007]

Hearts fans are squealing to the BBC about chick young lol

FTFY

The Plaza at Tynie since Friday.
https://youtu.be/9gLN3QoN-q8

[bod]

[QUOTE=bod;6168019]Where or when can I listen to this ?[/QUOTE


Search BBC Scotland sportsound, select podcast from the menu, probably be up, 8-9 pm

Cheers

[delbert]

Thought David Currie done well questioning all the nonsense Tom English was spoating!

Thought his questioning of Doncaster was pathetic and desperate in equal measure. He asked the same question on bullying and coercion three or four times and each time he got a full, clear answer from Doncaster but Currie either couldn’t or didn’t want to hear it and just kept asking. When the subject of the ten million pounds liability came up, Doncaster clearly stated that this was an issue being conflated incorrectly with another separate issue and on this one there was no doubt as Currie quite clearly wasn’t bright enough to understand what he was being told. All round, it was quite revealing and so well balanced, an interviewer out of his depth in Currie, a rabid Sevco apologist in English, a Jambo apologist in Preston, Budges poodle McLaughlin chipping in, and unbelievably the voice of reason was Chic Young who actually seemed to get the bigger picture. Oh yeh and Doncaster simply telling it like it is, that all he is doing is his job, which is implementing the rules which the SPFL clubs themselves agreed to and put in place when the league was formed.

[Brunswickbill]

English is like one of these dodgy American prosecutors in a Netflix miscarriage of justice documentary. Convinced of guilt and only seeking evidence that will get a conviction.

[DarlingtonHibee]

[QUOTE=DarlingtonHibee;6168027]

Cheers

No worries, worth a listen for the comedy value of chick young alone.

[JPrinty]

Thought his questioning of Doncaster was pathetic and desperate in equal measure. He asked the same question on bullying and coercion three or four times and each time he got a full, clear answer from Doncaster but Currie either couldn’t or didn’t want to hear it and just kept asking. When the subject of the ten million pounds liability came up, Doncaster clearly stated that this was an issue being conflated incorrectly with another separate issue and on this one there was no doubt as Currie quite clearly wasn’t bright enough to understand what he was being told. All round, it was quite revealing and so well balanced, an interviewer out of his depth in Currie, a rabid Sevco apologist in English, a Jambo apologist in Preston, Budges poodle McLaughlin chipping in, and unbelievably the voice of reason was Chic Young who actually seemed to get the bigger picture. Oh yeh and Doncaster simply telling it like it is, that all he is doing is his job, which is implementing the rules which the SPFL clubs themselves agreed to and put in place when the league was formed.
Agreed about the interview bit but I think he was egged on with what questions to ask. Afterwards he kept questioning English whenever he made a point and I thought he was good at trying to show him the other side of his agrument. Chic Young was good too.

[A Hi-Bee]

English is like one of these dodgy American prosecutors in a Netflix miscarriage of justice documentary. Convinced of guilt and only seeking evidence that will get a conviction.

Who is this Irish expert on Scottish Football Tam English who thinks he can educate us Scots on how or when we should play the game that we helped to invent.
Get the Heartz relegated, deduct points from the other 2 main wasters, and the rest can get on with trying to save the great game of Football as it is in Scotland.

:flag:

[hibee_nation]

I’m sorry to read that you are not watching any Tv or listening to any BBC radio stations - they give excellent value for money compared to the likes of Sky, BT or Virgin.

But I’m more upset that you are going to miss out on seeing the Hearts documentary when it appears on the BBC.

I don’t think for one minute that you would be a hypocrite and watch something you refuse to pay for on political grounds.

I stopped paying in 2014 too watch BBC all the time.
Hope it annoys them.

[Sammy7nil]

Tom English seems like an intelligent enough fellow. He's really had a nightmare during this whole episode. It's like he knows it himself but has gone too far to turn back. He's making himself look very silly. Car crash.


That Irish English guy is an embarrassment.
Keeps spouting about the disgrace of Scottish Football. He has got plenty of criticism but no solutions. He wants everyone to be fair in his own opinion. The guy is a plonker.

Yeah wee Tom is just seeking fairness for all however the fairness he is seeking must be decided by him and him alone. Is that Fair ? :greengrin :wink:

[CMurdoch]

Listening to Sportsound, you can see why we are in such a mess. When the SPFL/SPL came on the scene it was a power grab by the top clubs in Scotland to let the clubs run their affairs and share the prize money amongst themselves. Similar to what was going on in England. This did away with the independent bodies of the SFL and SFA running football.

We should hardly be surprised then that all the clubs vote out of self interest and it is the majority that rules. The SPFL are not powerful enough to go against the majority of clubs - they effectively have to keep the majority of their voters sweet. The language used by Rangers and Hearts of "right" and "wrong" is dangerous and goes against the nature of the body they helped to create.

If you want a body to look after right/wrong the minority interest then you need some form of independent body with power. Scottish football doesn't have that. I think it probably should as only an independent body can properly assess fairness. The problem was that our independent bodies in the past were tainted with bias due to the parochial nature of Scottish football. It's difficult to see that ever changing.

I think Hearts have been harshly dealt with but it's the decision of the majority and in setting up the SPFL, Hearts agreed that the majority should rule. It's time to suck it up and go with what has been decided rather than threatening legal action. The clubs should then look again at reconstruction of the governing bodies and league set up in the longer-term.

Budge's claim that she is not acting out of self-interest is not credible. She must stand to lose a lot of money and if she was part of a Company's Board she would be ruled out from voting due to a conflict of interest.

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Yeah that's how it is.
The SPFL, a break away organisation set up for reasons of greed/self interest by the biggest clubs and now one of the biggest clubs is complaining because the members organisation they helped set up for their benefit has made their usual self interested decision and they have been the losers on this occasion.

Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts & Dundee Utd are the big clubs in Scotland. They are ruthless businesses whose decisions are always made out of self interest. The biggest part of that is keeping the top league as small as possible so that they get as big a part of the financial cake as possible . They leave the small clubs to scramble about trying to survive as best they can with their small supporter bases etc.

Hibs, Hearts & Dundee Utd have in the past fallen foul of the small league trap they helped set up and as a result taken relegation hits. Hearts should have taken this hit on the chin with a bit of dignity and got themselves promoted next season. Their desperation has been embarrassing.

[Billy Whizz]

Where or when can I listen to this ?

There’s a podcast up. It’s a condensed edition of the full programme

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/scottish-football/id129625085#episodeGuid=urn%3Abbc%3Apodcast%3Ap08c ssrc

I only heard a little at lunchtime

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I stopped paying in 2014 too watch BBC all the time.
Hope it annoys them.

That’s just theft - hopefully they will catch up with you one day as it’s the rest of us that are picking up the tab.

[Stanton Spence]

That’s just theft - hopefully they will catch up with you one day as it’s the rest of us that are picking up the tab.The licence fee that's forced upon anyone who has a TV is more like theft

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[Future17]

The licence fee that's forced upon anyone who has a TV is more like theft

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But they're actually watching BBC! :faf:

[hibee_nation]

That’s just theft - hopefully they will catch up with you one day as it’s the rest of us that are picking up the tab.

Cheers but they can't catch you, only daftie who admit it get done, you pay if you want I choose not to.

[hibee_nation]

But they're actually watching BBC! :faf:

It's all Jackie Birds fault 😂

[CropleyWasGod]

Cheers but they can't catch you, only daftie who admit it get done, you pay if you want I choose not to.

...calls up the Huns' whistle blower....

[The 90+2]

...calls up the Huns' whistle blower....

They hate the bbc, can’t see them assisting 😉

[Irish_Steve]

Daftie says "only a daftie would admit to not paying the licence fee" after saying on a football forum that he doesn`t pay the licence fee - that`s jambo level of intelligence there!

[CMurdoch]

Daftie says "only a daftie would admit to not paying the licence fee" after saying on a football forum that he doesn`t pay the licence fee - that`s jambo level of intelligence there!

:faf:

[bod]

There’s a podcast up. It’s a condensed edition of the full programme

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/scottish-football/id129625085#episodeGuid=urn%3Abbc%3Apodcast%3Ap08c ssrc

I only heard a little at lunchtime

Downloaded cheers

[hhibs]

Daftie says "only a daftie would admit to not paying the licence fee" after saying on a football forum that he doesn`t pay the licence fee - that`s jambo level of intelligence there!


And the likelyhood of that person being tracked by that is ?

Don't let your bias overwhelm any common sense you might have ffs.

[poolman]

Must be some poor wee sensitive sowels in Nessie land if they can't handle a bit of fruity language being thrown at them, f*"*, it's taken them weeks to come out of their traumatic state to post a statement, diddums

[Irish_Steve]

And the likelyhood of that person being tracked by that is ?

Don't let your bias overwhelm any common sense you might have ffs.

I wasn`t actually commentating on his situation but the irony within. I think that part flew over your head

[007]

There’s a podcast up. It’s a condensed edition of the full programme

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/scottish-football/id129625085#episodeGuid=urn%3Abbc%3Apodcast%3Ap08c ssrc

I only heard a little at lunchtime

I hope they haven't edited out Chick Young saying Hearts have been squealing like pigs.

[stuart-farquhar]

The licence fee that's forced upon anyone who has a TV is more like theft

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Not true actually. Licence needed if you watch live broadcasts or I player. Otherwise not needed.

[Irish_Steve]

Not true actually. Licence needed if you watch live broadcasts or I player. Otherwise not needed.

Or if you record them to watch later

[green with envy]

That Irish English guy is an embarrassment.
Keeps spouting about the disgrace of Scottish Football. He has got plenty of criticism but no solutions. He wants everyone to be fair in his own opinion. The guy is a plonker.

He also said I think from memory, that it was only Dundee's vote that mattered and the other votes were irrelevant against the proposal to finish the lower league seasons early. He's on some kind of agenda against the SPFL right enough but I have no idea as to why.

[hhibs]

I wasn`t actually commentating on his situation but the irony within. I think that part flew over your head


Aye right ,so you say.

[The 90+2]

Or if you record them to watch later

Any if you don’t pay the wee vans with satellites can instantly track you down 😫

[FilipinoHibs]

Any if you don’t pay the wee vans with satellites can instantly track you down ��
I was unemployed for three years, suffering depression after my marriage broke up. I ignored all the TV lisence reminders. Eventually, they visited me and found me with no lisence. The TV lisence officer saw my predicament and gave me a form to pay installments.

[Irish_Steve]

Aye right ,so you say.

Can you actually point out any bias in my statement - over to you, Sherlock

[O'Rourke3]

I stopped paying in 2014 too watch BBC all the time.
Hope it annoys them.Do you also buy a childs season ticket?

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[cookin_on_gaz]

I was unemployed for three years, suffering depression after my marriage broke up. I ignored all the TV lisence reminders. Eventually, they visited me and found me with no lisence. The TV lisence officer saw my predicament and gave me a form to pay installments.That's what always happens. You can get away without paying until you are unfortunate enough to get caught then they offer you a payment schedule.
Still not caught me though.
Simples.

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[EH54]

That's what always happens. You can get away without paying until you are unfortunate enough to get caught then they offer you a payment schedule.
Still not caught me though.
Simples.

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Since moving into my own house I don't pay I have had 1 chap at the door in 5 years and they didn't return as promised with a satellite van to make sure I didn't watch TV 🤣

[TimeForHeroes16]

TV licence has no legal standing, this is common law country, TV license is act of law passed through parliament. In court it won’t stand hence why hardly anyone every gets a dealing with.

Classic British scare mongering tactics.

[Peevemor]

The government gives a certain amount of money each year to the BBC. Ordinarily this comes from TV license payments. If people don't pay their license then the money will be found anyway, either from increased taxes or reduced spending on other things - like education or the NHS.

You're kidding yourself on if you think that you're getting one over on the system. At the end of the day we end up paying anyway.

[Peevemor]

TV licence has no legal standing, this is common law country, TV license is act of law passed through parliament. In court it won’t stand hence why hardly anyone every gets a dealing with.

Classic British scare mongering tactics.French too in that case.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Stiffing the public broadcasters. Not a good look.

[Green_one]

I think there is a real argument that the existing concept of the BBC is archaic. I was long an admirer of the BBC but the recent Sportsound content exhibits the general reduction in quality of production and content.

TV consists of endless food programmes and other cheap to make content. Their web site used to be a leader but has now fallen back. Dr Who is awful and shedding viewers. What happened to BBC comedy?

Ok iPlayer is good, they produce dramas they can sell but all that looks more like Netflix/ Amazon. Basically they are applying a 70 year old tax without re-evaluating the current context. That cannot last.

And yes I do pay my licence and also waste money on Virgin etc. I find it irritating that I am paying Tom English's salary / fees and similarly for the general poor offering on sports. BBC could at least offer balance but prefers low level Daily Record type ‘chat’.

[bod]

There’s a podcast up. It’s a condensed edition of the full programme

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/scottish-football/id129625085#episodeGuid=urn%3Abbc%3Apodcast%3Ap08c ssrc

I only heard a little at lunchtime

Thanks for the link,just listened to it

[oldbutdim]

TV licence has no legal standing, this is common law country, TV license is act of law passed through parliament. In court it won’t stand hence why hardly anyone every gets a dealing with.

Classic British scare mongering tactics.

A pal of mine was a JP in West Lothian many years ago. He had a a whole load of licence dodgers to deal with one day and dished out a standard fine to them all. It seemed to be getting accepted without too muchargument from the guilty parties. Eventually the clerk of the court pointed out that he was fining them less than the cost of the licence.

[lord bunberry]

Must be some poor wee sensitive sowels in Nessie land if they can't handle a bit of fruity language being thrown at them, f*"*, it's taken them weeks to come out of their traumatic state to post a statement, diddums
It’s amazing also that it took until the chance of promotion through reconstruction to be taken off the table for them shake themselves out of said traumatic state.

[Brunswickbill]

Just listened to The podcast of Superscoreboard on Radio Clyde from last Friday. Never thought I would ever say this but Hugh Keevins was the voice of reason. Even Alex Rae and the callers phoning in made more sense than the pundits on Sportsound.

[JimBHibees]

Leslie Deane reckons that every club has a duty of care to other clubs.
I doubt he had the same train of thought when Hearts were financially doped.
**** them, bye bye Hearts.

Listened to Deans yesterday absolutely wired to the moon. Couldnt resist a dig at Hibs when discussing Hearts being the only team losing money from the Scottish cup semi against 'a team we habitually beat'. :greengrin What a trumpet.

[bod]

deans input isn't on the podcast unfortunatly

[JimBHibees]

deans input isn't on the podcast unfortunatly

Think it is on the saturday podcast 9th May. About 20 mins into the show. Listened to it yesterday.

[hhibs]

Can you actually point out any bias in my statement - over to you, Sherlock


Wats on,you know deep down .

[Irish_Steve]

So, that`s a no then from you as you can`t actually prove anything - twice you have had the opportunity too, twice you have come up with some guff for an answer.

Where is the bias in my comment, show me.

[hibee_nation]

So, that`s a no then from you as you can`t actually prove anything - twice you have had the opportunity too, twice you have come up with some guff for an answer.

Where is the bias in my comment, show me.

Still nae knock at the door think they went tae the upstairs neighbour by mistake 😂

[hhibs]

So, that`s a no then from you as you can`t actually prove anything - twice you have had the opportunity too, twice you have come up with some guff for an answer.

Where is the bias in my comment, show me.



You still know.

[Jdawg]

TV licence has no legal standing, this is common law country, TV license is act of law passed through parliament. In court it won’t stand hence why hardly anyone every gets a dealing with.

Classic British scare mongering tactics.

Well this is most drivel I’ve ever read online.

By your reckoning you can can get pissed then drive in your car (get caught) as drink driving is a criminal offence under the Road Traffic Act so it wouldn’t stand up in court? 😂😂

[Irish_Steve]

Well this is most drivel I’ve ever read online.

By your reckoning you can can get pissed then drive in your car (get caught) as drink driving is a criminal offence under the Road Traffic Act so it wouldn’t stand up in court? 😂😂

You can`t argue against stupid - sadly there`s a fair few neds on this thread

[Phil MaGlass]

That’s just theft - hopefully they will catch up with you one day as it’s the rest of us that are picking up the tab.

Its actually theft on behalf of the ebc and english govt, nowhere I know of apart from the UK you have to pay to own a television, after actually buying one from a shop.

[Phil MaGlass]

I think there is a real argument that the existing concept of the BBC is archaic. I was long an admirer of the BBC but the recent Sportsound content exhibits the general reduction in quality of production and content.

TV consists of endless food programmes and other cheap to make content. Their web site used to be a leader but has now fallen back. Dr Who is awful and shedding viewers. What happened to BBC comedy?

Ok iPlayer is good, they produce dramas they can sell but all that looks more like Netflix/ Amazon. Basically they are applying a 70 year old tax without re-evaluating the current context. That cannot last.

And yes I do pay my licence and also waste money on Virgin etc. I find it irritating that I am paying Tom English's salary / fees and similarly for the general poor offering on sports. BBC could at least offer balance but prefers low level Daily Record type ‘chat’.


Did you miss the utter one sided unionist bias during the independence referendum then??

[greenpaper55]

Its actually theft on behalf of the ebc and english govt, nowhere I know of apart from the UK you have to pay to own a television, after actually buying one from a shop.

The licence pays for the programmes that you watch without interuption from adverts.

[nonshinyfinish]

Its actually theft on behalf of the ebc and english govt, nowhere I know of apart from the UK you have to pay to own a television, after actually buying one from a shop.

"The Museum of Broadcast Communications in Chicago notes that two-thirds of the countries in Europe and half of the countries in Asia and Africa use television licences to fund public television."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence#Television_licences_around_the_ world

[The 90+2]

The licence pays for the programmes that you watch without interuption from adverts.

Do we get a choice regarding adverts?

[Peevemor]

Its actually theft on behalf of the ebc and english govt, nowhere I know of apart from the UK you have to pay to own a television, after actually buying one from a shop.

In France it's added to your rates - 138€ per year

[Phil MaGlass]

thanks guys, saves me having to spout unfounded nonsense, boooo....
anyhoos , **** the ebc....

[Stanton Spence]

Its actually theft on behalf of the ebc and english govt, nowhere I know of apart from the UK you have to pay to own a television, after actually buying one from a shop.I tried to say the same thing the other day mate but just got told the license covers the iplayer and live events which I ain't sure it does and it covers all the BBC, your right it's a tax and as soon as you buy a TV they inform the licensing department
As for the advert scenario someone just said, well how about just putting adverts on like the millions of other channels do? Or at least give people a choice!!

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[stuart-farquhar]

I tried to say the same thing the other day mate but just got told the license covers the iplayer and live events which I ain't sure it does and it covers all the BBC, your right it's a tax and as soon as you buy a TV they inform the licensing department
As for the advert scenario someone just said, well how about just putting adverts on like the millions of other channels do? Or at least give people a choice!!

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There you go.

The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to:

watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel
watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.)
download or watch any BBC programmes on iPlayer.

[CropleyWasGod]

I tried to say the same thing the other day mate but just got told the license covers the iplayer and live events which I ain't sure it does and it covers all the BBC, your right it's a tax and as soon as you buy a TV they inform the licensing department
As for the advert scenario someone just said, well how about just putting adverts on like the millions of other channels do? Or at least give people a choice!!

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Because one of the attractions of the BBC, TV and radio, is the absence of adverts. The independence from the commercial needs of advertisers is refreshing and (artistically, in terms of its music and drama output) crucial IMO. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for 6 Music alone.

There is an argument to be had about the politics, but in the wider context, the freedom from adverts marks the BBC out as something to be cherished. The idea of having yet another commercial channel, pandering to the market, fills me with horror.

[Sammy7nil]

Because one of the attractions of the BBC, TV and radio, is the absence of adverts. The independence from the commercial needs of advertisers is refreshing and (artistically, in terms of its music and drama output) crucial IMO. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for 6 Music alone.

There is an argument to be had about the politics, but in the wider context, the freedom from adverts marks the BBC out as something to be cherished. The idea of having yet another commercial channel, pandering to the market, fills me with horror.

Hear hear :aok: :top marks

For the small amount you pay the BBC provide a stack of content TV, online, radio national and local.

Only when it is gone will you know what you had.

If people think they are clever or a rebel by not paying all I can say is well done.

[SideBurns]

Because one of the attractions of the BBC, TV and radio, is the absence of adverts. The independence from the commercial needs of advertisers is refreshing and (artistically, in terms of its music and drama output) crucial IMO. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for 6 Music alone.

There is an argument to be had about the politics, but in the wider context, the freedom from adverts marks the BBC out as something to be cherished. The idea of having yet another commercial channel, pandering to the market, fills me with horror.

There is much to be disappointed about when it comes to the BBC these days, but I still think there is enough of the good stuff to justify the licence fee and I'm happy to pay it, personally. For instance, this debate about the licence fee has occurred on a thread on Sportsound. I can't be bothered with it anymore, but still like On/Off The Ball; and I enjoy far more of the BBC radio programmes across its channels to outweigh the disappointing plummet in quality from its principal Scottish fitba show.

[CMurdoch]

Because one of the attractions of the BBC, TV and radio, is the absence of adverts. The independence from the commercial needs of advertisers is refreshing and (artistically, in terms of its music and drama output) crucial IMO. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for 6 Music alone.

There is an argument to be had about the politics, but in the wider context, the freedom from adverts marks the BBC out as something to be cherished. The idea of having yet another commercial channel, pandering to the market, fills me with horror.

Agree re 6 Music. Ex front man in Fun Lovin' Criminals, Huey Morgan on Saturday morning and ex front woman in Catatonia Cerys Matthews on Sunday morning both have great radio shows on 6 music. Huey has great tunes I know and Cery's has great tunes that I haven't heard before. Worth the licence fee alone. Huey tends to reluctantly get the push at 12:06pm when I change to another BBC show "Off The Ball". BBC Radio is top notch, always has been.

Are there any commercial radio channels in the UK that are not for the hard of thinking and full off ****ty adverts?

Full populist commercial TV and Radio in the UK is the road to hell.

Populist politics has brought us Trump, Johnston & Brexit :rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

Agree re 6 Music. Ex front man in Fun Lovin' Criminals, Huey Morgan on Saturday morning and ex front woman in Catatonia Cerys Matthews on Sunday morning both have great radio shows on 6 music. Huey has great tunes I know and Cery's has great tunes that I haven't heard before. Worth the licence fee alone. Huey tends to reluctantly get the push at 12:06pm when I change to another BBC show "Off The Ball". BBC Radio is top notch, always has been.

Are there any commercial radio channels in the UK that are not for the hard of thinking and full off ****ty adverts?

Full populist commercial TV and Radio in the UK is the road to hell.

Populist politics has brought us Trump, Johnston & Brexit :rolleyes:

... and, with exquisite timing, the Cocteau Twins have just come on 6 Music. At tea-time. Where else would you get that?



(apart from Radio Grangemouth :greengrin)

Edit... and now SOL.

[malcolm]

Because one of the attractions of the BBC, TV and radio, is the absence of adverts. The independence from the commercial needs of advertisers is refreshing and (artistically, in terms of its music and drama output) crucial IMO. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for 6 Music alone.

There is an argument to be had about the politics, but in the wider context, the freedom from adverts marks the BBC out as something to be cherished. The idea of having yet another commercial channel, pandering to the market, fills me with horror.

I think that a lot of the jumping about the bbc is in the form of regurgitating the opinions of others where that opinion has itself been formed on the basis that the bbc simply do not reflect the same biases as that of the complainer - hence they are bias :greengrin.

I can’t stand adverts and pleased that there is a public service output with an enormous range of quality output across many different subjects and channels that is all without it at a bargain cost. Yep it has a big English based slant not surprising given the population weightings but it does not bother me. One thing it has done well outside Scotland has been local broadcasting and a decentralised move away from London. Not something that BBC Scotland want to match nor really do their counterparts at STV who are cuddled up together with them at pacific quay.

There you have it that’s them in the weege not reflecting my own bias.:wink:

[Irish_Steve]

thanks guys, saves me having to spout unfounded nonsense, boooo....
anyhoos , **** the ebc....

EBC?? What age are you, four?? Well balanced chap no doubt, a chip on both shoulders

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Because one of the attractions of the BBC, TV and radio, is the absence of adverts. The independence from the commercial needs of advertisers is refreshing and (artistically, in terms of its music and drama output) crucial IMO. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for 6 Music alone.

There is an argument to be had about the politics, but in the wider context, the freedom from adverts marks the BBC out as something to be cherished. The idea of having yet another commercial channel, pandering to the market, fills me with horror.

[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

Spot on, there is nothing more annoying than paying for TV and then being subjected to adverts during and between programs. In that regard the BBC are light years ahead of Sky, BT and Virgin.

[JOD]

Just listened to tonight's podcast.
Jeez that Tom English fella does my head in.
All criticism no answers and can't even get his info correct.
He sticks up for Sevco/Jambos at every opportunity.
He should go back to Rugby with the eggchasers.

[007]

Just listened to tonight's podcast.
Jeez that Tom English fella does my head in.
All criticism no answers and can't even get his info correct.
He sticks up for Sevco/Jambos at every opportunity.
He should go back to Rugby with the eggchasers.

About a year or so ago, probably at the height of Michael Stewart ripping into to Levein, English begun pulling up MS about general criticisms of Hearts he was making. TE began hinting about him knowing things about Hearts that MS didn't in an "I know something you don't know" kind of way. It was very obvious that Budge had been speaking to him, in fact I think one time he said as much, but since then it's been obvious that Budge has taken TE into her confidence and he's gone from being a bit critical (in a much more sensible and measured way compared to how MS was) and switched to someone in whose eyes she can do no wrong. Not a great way for a pundit to be.

From time to time it is obvious he's received a titbit of info because he lords it over MS with a "You know nothing" kind of attitude when he has something.

[Potty78]

Just listened to tonight's podcast.
Jeez that Tom English fella does my head in.
All criticism no answers and can't even get his info correct.
He sticks up for Sevco/Jambos at every opportunity.
He should go back to Rugby with the eggchasers.
I just listened too, when I went to school 31% was a fail. He just goes on and on. Darryl broadfoot was very good imo.

[Sammy7nil]

WTF does Tom English not understand about that 69% is significantly more than 31%

Get over it Tom we elect governments with far less percentages of the vote FFS they get less than 50% of the vote and get to run the country.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

About a year or so ago, probably at the height of Michael Stewart ripping into to Levein, English begun pulling up MS about general criticisms of Hearts he was making. TE began hinting about him knowing things about Hearts that MS didn't in an "I know something you don't know" kind of way. It was very obvious that Budge had been speaking to him, in fact I think one time he said as much, but since then it's been obvious that Budge has taken TE into her confidence and he's gone from being a bit critical (in a much more sensible and measured way compared to how MS was) and switched to someone in whose eyes she can do no wrong. Not a great way for a pundit to be.

From time to time it is obvious he's received a titbit of info because he lords it over MS with a "You know nothing" kind of attitude when he has something.

Maybe treated to some succulent lamb, or sky lounge chips?

[007]

WTF does Tom English not understand about that 69% is significantly more than 31%

Get over it Tom we elect governments with far less percentages of the vote FFS they get less than 50% of the vote and get to run the country.

You'd expect the 3 relegation teams to be unhappy and probably most of the 9 teams in promotion playoff spots. Then you've got Rangers themselves plus Aberdeen unhappy missing out on 3rd (and possibly Europe) by a point and then Stenhousemuir with their Chairman who's an Orange Order advisor. So you expect most, if not all, of these 15 clubs to have voted yes however they only managed to get 13. An epic fail if you ask me.

[Waxy]

Listening to Tom English does absolutely nothing for you.
Some really weird points of view he has.

[green day]

Because one of the attractions of the BBC, TV and radio, is the absence of adverts. The independence from the commercial needs of advertisers is refreshing and (artistically, in terms of its music and drama output) crucial IMO. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for 6 Music alone.

There is an argument to be had about the politics, but in the wider context, the freedom from adverts marks the BBC out as something to be cherished. The idea of having yet another commercial channel, pandering to the market, fills me with horror.

Yep, I listen to 6 music a lot. When working it's morning til 4 pm or so. Great DJs, great music, and I don't feel like an old fart listening !!

[gaz1875]

WTF does Tom English not understand about that 69% is significantly more than 31%

Get over it Tom we elect governments with far less percentages of the vote FFS they get less than 50% of the vote and get to run the country.


He also couldn't resist name dropping Budgie in his agenda push.

[007]

He also couldn't resist name dropping Budgie in his agenda push.

The reference was that she's put in a lot of money. Never mentioned she's taken it all back out though (unless she really is the benefactor).

[007]

Maybe treated to some succulent lamb, or sky lounge chips?

Snout in the the trough? 🐽🐽

[gaz1875]

The reference was that she's put in a lot of money. Never mentioned she's taken it all back out though (unless she really is the benefactor).

Exactly and with interest!! first name he blurted out lol

[Col2]

Clyde Superscoreboard tonight was hilarious.

Some real bampots. One guy demanded Rangers do no take any away tickets for any grounds and when the presenter suggested Aberdeen, Hearts and Livi voted for the Rangers proposal he didn’t wan to know. Howling at the moon. Other crazies came on and complained about how unfair the governance etc was and when put on the spot were asked for the outcome they wanted and it all came back to null and void and no 9 in a row. We all know this is the single driver from top to bottom.

[JOD]

About a year or so ago, probably at the height of Michael Stewart ripping into to Levein, English begun pulling up MS about general criticisms of Hearts he was making. TE began hinting about him knowing things about Hearts that MS didn't in an "I know something you don't know" kind of way. It was very obvious that Budge had been speaking to him, in fact I think one time he said as much, but since then it's been obvious that Budge has taken TE into her confidence and he's gone from being a bit critical (in a much more sensible and measured way compared to how MS was) and switched to someone in whose eyes she can do no wrong. Not a great way for a pundit to be.

From time to time it is obvious he's received a titbit of info because he lords it over MS with a "You know nothing" kind of attitude when he has something.
👍

[mjhibby]

I just listened too, when I went to school 31% was a fail. He just goes on and on. Darryl broadfoot was very good imo.

Yup broadfoot was excellent. Made several good points especially how the clubs need outside money to survive and the infighting will put people off. Talked common sense. English is like a broken record and says the same thing over and over again. He is becoming totally tiresome. The programme continues to go downhill rapidly.

[Peevemor]

Tam Cowan's wife juste posted a video on Facebook of him singing "a wee deoch and doris" but with the words "just a wee dick is Boris".

I didn't mind him already, but he's just climbed a couple of rungs for me.

[007]

Clyde Superscoreboard tonight was hilarious.

Some real bampots. One guy demanded Rangers do no take any away tickets for any grounds and when the presenter suggested Aberdeen, Hearts and Livi voted for the Rangers proposal he didn’t wan to know. Howling at the moon. Other crazies came on and complained about how unfair the governance etc was and when put on the spot were asked for the outcome they wanted and it all came back to null and void and no 9 in a row. We all know this is the single driver from top to bottom.

Plus revenge for 2012 seemed to be important for the bampot. They obviously see that as a big reason for 9 in a row and blame everyone else. Nothing to do with their own clubs overspending.

[mjhibby]

Broadfoot pointed out it was the clubs who appointed the SPFL board and Doncaster and they can vote him out. As he says Doncaster is simply doing their bidding. As for English saying Cormack voting for the enquiry proves how bad it is. Jesus wept. Every club had an axe to grind that voted no. The elephant in the room is of course Sevco who are only interested in increasing their power, stopping nine in a row and screeching like a petulant child. You can’t reason with them. Simple as that. As for McLennan saying the aim is to be back playing at the end of July when the first minister has reiterated again and again, football is a long way off it is just absolutely bloody nonsense and false hope raised yet again.
How can the season be finished. Even if we start back say mid August we have 8 games to play plus at least the semi final. You have the Europa league game for Sevco and you cannot expect clubs to play twice weekly for five weeks to finish the season. That would take us to end of September with next seasons Euro qualifiers to play before we start next season.
Call this bloody season and pray that we can start next season and somehow finish it. With the euros at the end of next season there is no wiggle room. Sturgeon must be utterly baffled by the stupidity in the Scottish game. Plus of course due to statement o’clock every day for weeks any potential sponsors are being driven away. That’s the real scandal in this saga as broadfoot eloquently pointed out.

[18Craig75]

Enjoyed it when DB slammed TE down whilst he was jumping on Aberdeen’s bandwagon demanding change, saying it’s not fair that the voting structure basically prevents change happens. DB then simply says “well remember who had the opportunity to change the voting structure and voted against it - Aberdeen”.

[Tug Wilson]

Broadfoot pointed out it was the clubs who appointed the SPFL board and Doncaster and they can vote him out. As he says Doncaster is simply doing their bidding. As for English saying Cormack voting for the enquiry proves how bad it is. Jesus wept. Every club had an axe to grind that voted no. The elephant in the room is of course Sevco who are only interested in increasing their power, stopping nine in a row and screeching like a petulant child. You can’t reason with them. Simple as that. As for McLennan saying the aim is to be back playing at the end of July when the first minister has reiterated again and again, football is a long way off it is just absolutely bloody nonsense and false hope raised yet again.
How can the season be finished. Even if we start back say mid August we have 8 games to play plus at least the semi final. You have the Europa league game for Sevco and you cannot expect clubs to play twice weekly for five weeks to finish the season. That would take us to end of September with next seasons Euro qualifiers to play before we start next season.
Call this bloody season and pray that we can start next season and somehow finish it. With the euros at the end of next season there is no wiggle room. Sturgeon must be utterly baffled by the stupidity in the Scottish game. Plus of course due to statement o’clock every day for weeks any potential sponsors are being driven away. That’s the real scandal in this saga as broadfoot eloquently pointed out.

The comments and arguments of TE are becoming tiresome. He has a fixed agenda and will not look at the evidence in front of him.

[snedzuk]

About a year or so ago, probably at the height of Michael Stewart ripping into to Levein, English begun pulling up MS about general criticisms of Hearts he was making. TE began hinting about him knowing things about Hearts that MS didn't in an "I know something you don't know" kind of way. It was very obvious that Budge had been speaking to him, in fact I think one time he said as much, but since then it's been obvious that Budge has taken TE into her confidence and he's gone from being a bit critical (in a much more sensible and measured way compared to how MS was) and switched to someone in whose eyes she can do no wrong. Not a great way for a pundit to be.

From time to time it is obvious he's received a titbit of info because he lords it over MS with a "You know nothing" kind of attitude when he has something.

Was it Stewart that said about a week or so ago in explaining loans versus grants 'I can explain it for you Tom, but I cant understand it for you'.

[007]

Was it Stewart that said about a week or so ago in explaining loans versus grants 'I can explain it for you Tom, but I cant understand it for you'.

😃 Didn't hear that but I can say that neither of them understand why payments couldn't be made without ending the leagues. Unless they were deliberately trying to confuse the matter to help their agenda.

[ancient hibee]

Broadfoot pointed out it was the clubs who appointed the SPFL board and Doncaster and they can vote him out. As he says Doncaster is simply doing their bidding. As for English saying Cormack voting for the enquiry proves how bad it is. Jesus wept. Every club had an axe to grind that voted no. The elephant in the room is of course Sevco who are only interested in increasing their power, stopping nine in a row and screeching like a petulant child. You can’t reason with them. Simple as that. As for McLennan saying the aim is to be back playing at the end of July when the first minister has reiterated again and again, football is a long way off it is just absolutely bloody nonsense and false hope raised yet again.
How can the season be finished. Even if we start back say mid August we have 8 games to play plus at least the semi final. You have the Europa league game for Sevco and you cannot expect clubs to play twice weekly for five weeks to finish the season. That would take us to end of September with next seasons Euro qualifiers to play before we start next season.
Call this bloody season and pray that we can start next season and somehow finish it. With the euros at the end of next season there is no wiggle room. Sturgeon must be utterly baffled by the stupidity in the Scottish game. Plus of course due to statement o’clock every day for weeks any potential sponsors are being driven away. That’s the real scandal in this saga as broadfoot eloquently pointed out.
A small point.Broadfoot is wrong if he said Doncaster can be voted out.He’s an employee with the normal safeguards.

[Waxy]

http://www.listenersguide.org.uk/bbc/podcast/episode/?p=p02nrsc7&e=p08d1b9c

[Waxy]

http://www.listenersguide.org.uk/bbc/podcast/episode/?p=p02nrsc7&e=p08d1b9c

Apologies for quoting my link but the whole programmes a croc of ****.

[gaz1875]

Apologies for quoting my link but the whole programmes a croc of ****.

Anything TE comes out with is a crop of ****.

[JohnMcM]

I listened to superscoreboard again tonight. Nicely balanced, non-biased commentators letting people have their say and adding their own opinions/views without attacking anyone, simply stating known facts, no guessing and no recriminations.

Sportsound, you have lost a listener in me. There is much for your commentators to learn about fairness, impartiality and listening skills by tuning into the same programme.

:flag:

[Sammy7nil]

I listened to superscoreboard again tonight. Nicely balanced, non-biased commentators letting people have their say and adding their own opinions/views without attacking anyone, simply stating known facts, no guessing and no recriminations.

Sportsound, you have lost a listener in me. There is much for your commentators to learn about fairness, impartiality and listening skills by tuning into the same programme.

:flag:


What about the guy that called Budgie Jimmy Krankie :greengrin the presenter said aww come on now :greengrin

[The 90+2]

Talking of super scoreboard did anyone hear the caller saying rangers hearts and Partick should quit the league and form with Northern Ireland and Wales? Keevins ripped the utter arse out him the others trying not to laugh 😂 Gordon Duncan played along and asked what the league should be called and the guy said the Scottish Football Integrity League 😂😂 GD then said fair enough but I’m not sure the welsh teams would fit in to that. Was utter class :greengrin

[steelendhibs]

Because one of the attractions of the BBC, TV and radio, is the absence of adverts. The independence from the commercial needs of advertisers is refreshing and (artistically, in terms of its music and drama output) crucial IMO. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for 6 Music alone.

There is an argument to be had about the politics, but in the wider context, the freedom from adverts marks the BBC out as something to be cherished. The idea of having yet another commercial channel, pandering to the market, fills me with horror.

The BBC is one of the biggest advertising broadcasters in the world, we just don’t see it in the UK. If you have ever accessed any BBC content on any platform when on foreign soil, it is awash with advertising and commercials

[Billy Whizz]

I listened to superscoreboard again tonight. Nicely balanced, non-biased commentators letting people have their say and adding their own opinions/views without attacking anyone, simply stating known facts, no guessing and no recriminations.

Sportsound, you have lost a listener in me. There is much for your commentators to learn about fairness, impartiality and listening skills by tuning into the same programme.

:flag:

The presenter Gordon Duncan is excellent, doesn’t take any nonsense from callers

Am I right I’m thinking that bbc Sportsound have no football phone in radio shows anymore?

[CropleyWasGod]

The BBC is one of the biggest advertising broadcasters in the world, we just don’t see it in the UK. If you have ever accessed any BBC content on any platform when on foreign soil, it is awash with advertising and commercials

I know that, and am grateful for it. It gives additional revenue to enable it to be ad-free in the UK.

[Waxy]

The presenter Gordon Duncan is excellent, doesn’t take any nonsense from callers

Am I right I’m thinking that bbc Sportsound have no football phone in radio shows anymore?Doesnt surprise me.Someone would phone in with a better point of view than TE.Most likely everyone.

[007]

Talking of super scoreboard did anyone hear the caller saying rangers hearts and Partick should quit the league and form with Northern Ireland and Wales? Keevins ripped the utter arse out him the others trying not to laugh 😂 Gordon Duncan played along and asked what the league should be called and the guy said the Scottish Football Integrity League 😂😂 GD then said fair enough but I’m not sure the welsh teams would fit in to that. Was utter class :greengrin

Yeah, heard that one. Superscoreboard is miles ahead of Sportsound. Gordon Duncan and Hugh Keevins both capable of seeing both sides of the debate. Something Sportsound is sadly lacking.

[KingPat4]

Sportsound is a load of old Tom Kite. Has been for years.

As for Tom English, well, he has obviously been ' Got at'.

[Billy Whizz]

Yeah, heard that one. Superscoreboard is miles ahead of Sportsound. Gordon Duncan and Hugh Keevins both capable of of seeing both sides of the debate. Something Sportsound is sadly lacking.

Even Keith Jackson was good tonight, and basically said Rangers should move on

[Iggy Pope]

Yeah, heard that one. Superscoreboard is miles ahead of Sportsound. Gordon Duncan and Hugh Keevins both capable of of seeing both sides of the debate. Something Sportsound is sadly lacking.

Thee Hugh Kevins? Jeez, where do I sign up?

[JohnMcM]

The presenter Gordon Duncan is excellent, doesn’t take any nonsense from callers

Am I right I’m thinking that bbc Sportsound have no football phone in radio shows anymore?


Yes, you are correct. They stopped phone-ins some time ago. It was about the same time they stopped being impartial (ages ago), as far as I could hear back then they couldn't handle contradictory, neutral or non-partisan views that differed from the tosh they were starting to spout. It was round about the time English took centre stage. Coincidence?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Yes, you are correct. They stopped phone-ins some time ago. It was about the same time they stopped being impartial (ages ago), as far as I could hear back then they couldn't handle contradictory, neutral or non-partisan views that differed from the tosh they were starting to spout. It was round about the time English took centre stage. Coincidence?

Editorial direction. Not sure why so little attention is paid to this. Wish more of a light was shone on this. Why the change?

[hibbyfraelibby]

A small point.Broadfoot is wrong if he said Doncaster can be voted out.He’s an employee with the normal safeguards.

...he's on a contract. Contracts can be terminated, with compensation if required.

[Brunswickbill]

Just listened to Sportsound podcast from 13 May. English was doing his usual bombastic, one-side, destructive stuff. But it’s worth listening to the last 4 or 5 minutes where they announce that they will be remembering Scotland’s Kirin Cup victory. Everybody knows it was an insignificant tournament but English is absolutely scornful of the very idea recalling it. Talking up Ireland’s “achievements” and laughing at the the performance of the Scotland International team. I fail to see how BBC Scotland can employ a chief sports reporter who openly scoffs at the country’s football team not to say going out of his way to foment division in Scottish football. Criticise -fine- but his scorn was totally out of order. Why do we put up with this kind ridicule?

[Cat Stanton]

Yeah, heard that one. Superscoreboard is miles ahead of Sportsound. Gordon Duncan and Hugh Keevins both capable of seeing both sides of the debate. Something Sportsound is sadly lacking.

Yeah, superscoreboard is brilliant. Especially if you like chatting about Rangers. And then Celtic. And then Rangers again. And then Celtic. And so on forever amen.

And Hugh Keevins: Oscar Wilde with added genius and wit.

It's bloody atrocious.

In its defence, it's on a Glasgow radio station, so doesn't pretend to be interested in anything non-Septic/Sevco. But unsure how anyone can find it, er, listenable if you're not old firm obsessed.

[Since452]

Sportsound used to be a must listen when I was growing up. Bob Crampsey, Gordon Smith (decent before the Rangers gig), Murdo McLeod etc and David Begg doing the commentary. Chick Young was as bad as it got and even he was ok.

Sad how much it's fallen.

[cookin_on_gaz]

Sportsound should get Scottie Mclue to do a phone in. I used to love his programmes and he would defo outperform Tom English in the shock jock role.

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[Skol]

Sportsound used to be a must listen when I was growing up. Bob Crampsey, Gordon Smith (decent before the Rangers gig), Murdo McLeod etc and David Begg doing the commentary. Chick Young was as bad as it got and even he was ok.

Sad how much it's fallen.

I am sorry but Gordon Smith was always dreadful.

[bigwheel]

I am sorry but Gordon Smith was always dreadful.

I agree with that...woeful


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[oldbutdim]

Just stop listening to Sportsound. Starve them of the green ear
:greengrin

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I am sorry but Gordon Smith was always dreadful.

Yes, this is true! [emoji18]

[lord bunberry]

I’m another who prefers superscoreboard, it’s a much better format than sportsound. It can also be really funny with some of the callers.

[The 90+2]

Yeah, superscoreboard is brilliant. Especially if you like chatting about Rangers. And then Celtic. And then Rangers again. And then Celtic. And so on forever amen.

And Hugh Keevins: Oscar Wilde with added genius and wit.

It's bloody atrocious.

In its defence, it's on a Glasgow radio station, so doesn't pretend to be interested in anything non-Septic/Sevco. But unsure how anyone can find it, er, listenable if you're not old firm obsessed.

It talks all Scottish football. There’s nothing better than listening to greetin faced rangers fans after yet another humiliation.

Keevins is sound. You know what you’re getting and he’s a proper football man with loads of good stories. I don’t even mind Alex Rae on it - it’s improved significantly since they punted Derek Johnstone.

[Spike Mandela]

I am sorry but Gordon Smith was always dreadful.

The show is better when there is a mix of opinion. I don’t want it just to trot out everything I agree with but it would be nice if we heard the case for both sides of a story.

It is difficult to get a truly impartial commentator. Most peoples allegiances and biases are, at best, thinly veiled so the BBC could at least get a mix on the show along the spectrum of opinion. They clearly choose not to.

[KeithTheHibby]

The minute they lost guys like Craig Paterson and replaced with inferior quality like Billy Dodds, Derek Ferguson and Alan Preston the show was going to suffer.

[mjhibby]

Sportsound used to be a must listen when I was growing up. Bob Crampsey, Gordon Smith (decent before the Rangers gig), Murdo McLeod etc and David Begg doing the commentary. Chick Young was as bad as it got and even he was ok.

Sad how much it's fallen.

Totally agree. I used to love listening to sportsound when they actually discussed things. I think it goes back to 2012 initially then that famous May Day in 2016. I really think Sevco haven’t recovered from both events and are determined to wreak havoc. For some reason, even though they are banned by them the bbc sucks up to them. Utterly bizarre. They have alienated the vast majority of their listeners. Just a pity there wasn't an east coast sports programme worth listening to.

[vuefrom1875]

The minute they lost guys like Craig Paterson and replaced with inferior quality like Billy Dodds, Derek Ferguson and Alan Preston the show was going to suffer.

Billy Dodds,Derek Ferguson, inarticulate, thick,incoherent, and a couple of Huns.....Preston...as sh### a journalist as he was masquerading as a footballer.

[HibbyAndy]

The minute they lost guys like Craig Paterson and replaced with inferior quality like Billy Dodds, Derek Ferguson and Alan Preston the show was going to suffer.

I agree , CP was very well spoken

[cookin_on_gaz]

I listen to Sportsound pretty much every weekend and agree it has gone down hill majorly. On a positive note though, because I watch all live football on HES goal and always turn on Sportsound as soon as the game finishes, I have never actually heard or seen a Stevie G interview.

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[cookin_on_gaz]

I agree , CP was very well spokenApparently Craig Patterson jacked it because he hated doing open all mics. It's a pity because he always spoke well about the Hibees.

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[Alan62]

Billy Dodds,Derek Ferguson, inarticulate, thick,incoherent, and a couple of Huns.....Preston...as sh### a journalist as he was masquerading as a footballer.

Dodds and Ferguson mean well enough (although they are very much fans of The Rangers). The real problem is that they just don't have anything much to say and when they do speak, they show up their meagre grasp of the English language. 'The boy has went ...' is the kind of cringey phrase you'd expect to hear on a regular basis. As for Preston, well, he's the jambo version of the previous two, maybe slightly more articulate but with everything pumped up to verging on the hysterical almost all the time. Mikey Stewart is probably the best pundit at the moment - although he's maybe had his wings clipped a little since the fallout over Jabbagate.

[ancient hibee]

Totally agree. I used to love listening to sportsound when they actually discussed things. I think it goes back to 2012 initially then that famous May Day in 2016. I really think Sevco haven’t recovered from both events and are determined to wreak havoc. For some reason, even though they are banned by them the bbc sucks up to them. Utterly bizarre. They have alienated the vast majority of their listeners. Just a pity there wasn't an east coast sports programme worth listening to.

I know this has been posted umpteen times but the BBC is not banned by Rangers.Rangers are banned by the BBC.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I know this has been posted umpteen times but the BBC is not banned by Rangers.Rangers are banned by the BBC.

I thought BBCs Chris McLoughlin was banned by Rangers so the BBC said they won’t send anyone to Ibrox until that ban was lifted - unless there’s an Old Firm match on obviously! [emoji849]

[The 90+2]

Apparently Craig Patterson jacked it because he hated doing open all mics. It's a pity because he always spoke well about the Hibees.

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Doesn’t he sit in the studio on a Sat on the poundies soccer Saturday?

[cookin_on_gaz]

Doesn’t he sit in the studio on a Sat on the poundies soccer Saturday?Don't know what that is so can't comment sorry.

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[greenlex]

Ii
I thought BBCs Chris McLoughlin was banned by Rangers so the BBC said they won’t send anyone to Ibrox until that ban was lifted - unless there’s an Old Firm match on obviously! [emoji849]
This is correct apart from the old firm bit. Rangers didn’t want CM at Ibrox but the bbc rightly said you can’t decide who we send so they don’t send anyone.

[Tomsk]

I know this has been posted umpteen times but the BBC is not banned by Rangers.Rangers are banned by the BBC.

In fairness, you can understand any confusion - the difference between banned Rangers and unbanned Rangers is indiscernible.

[mjhibby]

It talks all Scottish football. There’s nothing better than listening to greetin faced rangers fans after yet another humiliation.

Keevins is sound. You know what you’re getting and he’s a proper football man with loads of good stories. I don’t even mind Alex Rae on it - it’s improved significantly since they punted Derek Johnstone.

Listened to the podcast from yesterday of superscoreboard and it was a really good listen. Was much like sportsound of maybe five year ago and really showed up how bad sportsound has become. All the more annoying that a west coast station mostly catering to old firm fans shows up our national broadcaster. Scandalous actually.

[Cat Stanton]

In fairness, you can understand any confusion - the difference between banned Rangers and unbanned Rangers is indiscernible.

Likewise the difference between Rangers and the BBC...

[Tomsk]

Listened to the podcast from yesterday of superscoreboard and it was a really good listen. Was much like sportsound of maybe five year ago and really showed up how bad sportsound has become. All the more annoying that a west coast station mostly catering to old firm fans shows up our national broadcaster. Scandalous actually.


I see what you did there - of course, BBC Scotland is a west coast station entirely catering to old firm fans.

'National broadcaster' my hole!

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I see what you did there - of course, BBC Scotland is a west coast station entirely catering to old firm fans.

'National broadcaster' my hole!

There’s a whole thread on here about Tom English talking up Hearts, it can’t all be West Coast bias??? [emoji2369]

[Tomsk]

There’s a whole thread on here about Tom English talking up Hearts, it can’t all be West Coast bias??? [emoji2369]

You're missing the point. Hearts are the battleground, the war is Rangers.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

You're missing the point. Hearts are the battleground, the war is Rangers.

I still disagree, there’s lots of time given to other teams on BBC Scotland - there’s 4 hours worth of Off The Ball every Saturday where they barely mention the Old Firm if they can.

[Tomsk]

I still disagree, there’s lots of time given to other teams on BBC Scotland - there’s 4 hours worth of Off The Ball every Saturday where they barely mention the Old Firm if they can.

The fact that they have a programme ostensibly devoted to the 40 clubs outside the old filth says it all. If they had the actual balance and spread you would expect of a true national broadcaster there would be no need to toss these crumbs from the table.

It applies to all of BBC Scotland's output. They are 'national' in name only.

[rossevenil]

FFS!! Sportsound going to discuss RECONSTRUCTION as apparently it hasn`t been put to bed and could still happen according to them!

[Aldo]

FFS!! Sportsound going to discuss RECONSTRUCTION as apparently it hasn`t been put to bed and could still happen according to them!

Nobody wants it. We’ve had the vote. Nothing to see here!


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[Heisenberg]

FFS!! Sportsound going to discuss RECONSTRUCTION as apparently it hasn`t been put to bed and could still happen according to them!

Budgie must’ve been on the phone and told them.

[Dr Jimmy]

FFS!! Sportsound going to discuss RECONSTRUCTION as apparently it hasn`t been put to bed and could still happen according to them!
Put aside the fact a majority said no to this and look at the logistics.
Their aim is football by the end of July., that’s 10 weeks. It took them 4 weeks to have a meeting about The Rangers’ dossier.
No chance they can get reconstruction proposed, agreed and delivered in the timeframe. Throw in the SKY deal which may have to be reviewed and it’s all pie in the sky!

[Real Emerald]

FFS!! Sportsound going to discuss RECONSTRUCTION as apparently it hasn`t been put to bed and could still happen according to them!

They need to put it to bed, folk are paying £400 for season tickets and they’re still banging on about a temporary league structure. It’s doing my head in.

[BroxburnHibee]

FFS!! Sportsound going to discuss RECONSTRUCTION as apparently it hasn`t been put to bed and could still happen according to them!

They have nothing else to discuss so are making up rubbish to fill their schedule.

Complete irrelevance and best ignored.

[Jim44]

Put aside the fact a majority said no to this and look at the logistics.
Their aim is football by the end of July., that’s 10 weeks. It took them 4 weeks to have a meeting about The Rangers’ dossier.
No chance they can get reconstruction proposed, agreed and delivered in the timeframe. Throw in the SKY deal which may have to be reviewed and it’s all pie in the sky!

Is there a time frame for reconstruction? I think it would be a reconstructed system as and when it happens.
They will call the season early next week. Celtic will win the league and Hearts will be relegated. That will go on the record. Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen are ‘amenable’ and I think the others in the Premiership will be brought round to accepting and Hearts and Dundee United will both be in the top flight when football gets going. Michael Stewart saying that Sky will be talked round to accepting ( they haven’t even raised the issue yet ). He’s talking also about BT getting involved again. I think reconstruction will happen.

[A Hi-Bee]

Is there a time frame for reconstruction? I think it would be a reconstructed system as and when it happens.
They will call the season early next week. Celtic will win the league and Hearts will be relegated. That will go on the record. Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen are ‘amenable’ and I think the others in the Premiership will be brought round to accepting and Hearts and Dundee United will both be in the top flight when football gets going. Michael Stewart saying that Sky will be talked round to accepting ( they haven’t even raised the issue yet ). He’s talking also about BT getting involved again. I think reconstruction will happen.

Right an we can call it the Integrity Premiership Championship League
**** the hertz

[Heisenberg]

Is there a time frame for reconstruction? I think it would be a reconstructed system as and when it happens.
They will call the season early next week. Celtic will win the league and Hearts will be relegated. That will go on the record. Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen are ‘amenable’ and I think the others in the Premiership will be brought round to accepting and Hearts and Dundee United will both be in the top flight when football gets going. Michael Stewart saying that Sky will be talked round to accepting ( they haven’t even raised the issue yet ). He’s talking also about BT getting involved again. I think reconstruction will happen.

Your last line...why? Do you see 11 Premiership clubs agreeing to it? Basically all of the bottom six clubs won’t go for it imo. Hibs will vote no purely down to not wanting to upset the fanbase.

[Spike Mandela]

Your last line...why? Do you see 11 Premiership clubs agreeing to it? Basically all of the bottom six clubs won’t go for it imo. Hibs will vote no purely down to not wanting to upset the fanbase.

They only need 9 votes for a 14-14-14

[Jones28]

I don’t get this whole narrative that the reconstruction group was prematurely torpedoed - they had 4 weeks and couldn’t release any concrete plans. What were they doing?

[green day]

They only need 9 votes for a 14-14-14

Why?

[Heisenberg]

They only need 9 votes for a 14-14-14

As far as I know if the money distribution changes in the leagues, which it will, it needs 11-1.

[Spike Mandela]

As far as I know if the money distribution changes in the leagues, which it will, it needs 11-1.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52691997

[greenpaper55]

Did i hear correctly that Budge has been tasked to restart the talks on reconstruction again ? !

[Spike Mandela]

Why?

No new clubs added to league, still 42 clubs.

[green day]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52691997

Thanks.

So, Hamilton and St Mirren have already said they only want permanent. You can probably add St Johnstone, Livingston, Ross County, maybe Killie, probably Hibs.

This is a waste of time - no chance of it passing.

[JohnM1875]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52691997

Thought quite a few teams have already stated they'd only be interested in reconstruction if it was permanent. So why are they looking into something temporary again. Something definitely stinks here.

[Heisenberg]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52691997

Only on the basis that the financial distribution doesn’t change. If that does change (how will they get around that?) it’s a qualified resolution and requires 11-1 in the Premiership.

This all stinks of them giving Ann Budge something to keep her out the way. Waste as much of her time as possible on this to give her less time to sort out legal action.

[Jim44]

Your last line...why? Do you see 11 Premiership clubs agreeing to it? Basically all of the bottom six clubs won’t go for it imo. Hibs will vote no purely down to not wanting to upset the fanbase.

I think that the fact that, despite rejecting it recently, reconstuction is unbelievably still on the table and the fact that the top clubs are open to it, every effort will be made to persuade the bottom six clubs to accept it. I don’t want it to happen but I just get the impression it is going to happen. I hope I’m wrong.

[Bristolhibby]

So what happened to the Friday vote and ratification on Monday?

Did I just dream that happened.

Ann, the ship has sailed. Prepare your club for a Championship campaign.

J

[green day]

I keep coming back to this thought - if you are the Chairman or CEO of a lower middle ranking Premiership club, temporarily adding 2 clubs without a guarantee of no relegation in 2 years (which would be ridiculous of course) means you run the risk that - if it doesnt work well - that there are 4 clubs at risk of automatic relegation in 2 years time.

You are basically being asked to vote to increase the odds of your team being relegated and for what? To save Hearts this season.

It would astonish me if this one got enough backing.

[Spike Mandela]

I think that the fact that, despite rejecting it recently, reconstuction is unbelievably still on the table and the fact that the top clubs are open to it, every effort will be made to persuade the bottom six clubs to accept it. I don’t want it to happen but I just get the impression it is going to happen. I hope I’m wrong.

I have believed from the second the league was suspended that reconstruction would happen. Thought I was wrong last week but suddenly my gut feeling seems to be pointing that way again.

Can’t understand why teams at the risk of relegation when the league reverts to 12 would vote for it unless they are persuaded there is a chance it would remain permanent after another vote in a year or two. Whatever it takes to keep Hearts in the league will be explored.

[Real Emerald]

I keep coming back to this thought - if you are the Chairman or CEO of a lower middle ranking Premiership club, temporarily adding 2 clubs without a guarantee of no relegation in 2 years (which would be ridiculous of course) means you run the risk that - if it doesnt work well - that there are 4 clubs at risk of automatic relegation in 2 years time.

You are basically being asked to vote to increase the odds of your team being relegated and for what? To save Hearts this season.

It would astonish me if this one got enough backing.

Yep, almost a third of league would be relegated, it’s utter madness.

[04Sauzee]

Am being told to expect the @spfl to ‘call’ the Premiership on Monday, with @CelticFC being declared Scottish champions for the 9th year in a row. And @JamTarts relegated, pending another attempt at league reconstruction, which could now be resurrected. @BBCSportsound from 2pm

[Aldo]

Am being told to expect the @spfl to ‘call’ the Premiership on Monday, with @CelticFC being declared Scottish champions for the 9th year in a row. And @JamTarts relegated, pending another attempt at league reconstruction, which could now be resurrected. @BBCSportsound from 2pm

Cheers for that.

I for one would be very surprised if this gets past however shows you how things work in this country.... minority dictating to the majority.

Scottish Football is just comedy gold and is the gift that keeps on giving. Shambles


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[Brunswickbill]

Michael Stewart is a blether. He’s arguing that we know that clubs are against temporary reconstruction but if we say that if they vote for temporary Reconstruction it could become permanent if it all works out fine. I think’s what’s known as Doublethink.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Am being told to expect the @spfl to ‘call’ the Premiership on Monday, with @CelticFC being declared Scottish champions for the 9th year in a row. And @JamTarts relegated, pending another attempt at league reconstruction, which could now be resurrected. @BBCSportsound from 2pm

Thanks for sharing

Where you getting this form

[04Sauzee]

Thanks for sharing

Where you getting this form

kheredine idessane tweeted it a short time ago

[Coach Jon]

Michael Stewart is like a dug with a bone, he wont let it go, embarrassing.

[Betty Boop]

Michael Stewart is a blether. He’s arguing that we know that clubs are against temporary reconstruction but if we say that if they vote for temporary Reconstruction it could become permanent if it all works out fine. I think’s what’s known as Doublethink.

He's an annoying Hertz fud.

[Bristolhibby]

It’s a bit like Trumps new press secretary. She blamed Obama for using up the country’s strategic fear we’ve of PPE and not reinstalling it. While at the same time praising Trump for refilling it.

Err, why is there no PPE then? And Trump has had three years to refill the reserves?

J

[Sammy7nil]

Neil McCann wins the bellend of the week.

We have to move to a 14 team league teams just have to suck it up and take their sporting chance they will survive when 4 teams are relegated.

News Flash no they ******g dont. Hearts could suck it up and just get the **** on with it.

[gillythehibby]

Neil McCann wins the bellend of the week.

We have to move to a 14 team league teams just have to suck it up and take their sporting chance they will survive when 4 teams are relegated.

News Flash no they ******g dont. Hearts could suck it up and just get the **** on with it.

You forgot about his hate of Hibs. He just cannot bring himself to mention us in a good light. He mentioned "the biggest supported clubs outside the old firm, hearts and Aberdeen" He is a wee phanny. Hibs have had the biggest average crowds for last 2 seasons and blow Aberdeen away. Wee Dick

[Jim44]

Stating the obvious but we all know that the only real priority is to keep Hearts in the top flight.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

kheredine idessane tweeted it a short time ago

Cheers Sauzee

[Mick O'Rourke]

You forgot about his hate of Hibs. He just cannot bring himself to mention us in a good light. He mentioned "the biggest supported clubs outside the old firm, hearts and Aberdeen" He is a wee phanny. Hibs have had the biggest average crowds for last 2 seasons and blow Aberdeen away. Wee Dick


Remember it was him who called our exuberance at Hampden "a disgrace" and has no place in Scottish football.

This from a guy who played for a club whose fans hold the record for ugly pitch invasions.
Not to mention terrorising and vandalising cities and towns the length of Britain, in my lifetime

[rossevenil]

Hate to say but hearts are going nowhere,this is a carve up and they will be playing in the Premier league next season.

Scottish Football really is the laughing stock of world football,no to reconstruction,we are going to call the league,oh wait a minute reconstruction....shambolic!

[Heisenberg]

Hate to say but hearts are going nowhere,this is a carve up and they will be playing in the Premier league next season.

Scottish Football really is the laughing stock of world football,no to reconstruction,we are going to call the league,oh wait a minute reconstruction....shambolic!

A carve up involving a majority of the clubs in the SPFL? That’s what’ll be required for them to get any sort of reconstruction, which is highly unlikely.

[Brunswickbill]

All this chat to find a way to avoid Hearts getting relegated largely because they BBC have two Hertz supporters as pundits. They really need to think about getting a balance of opinion on their programme.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Hate to say but hearts are going nowhere,this is a carve up and they will be playing in the Premier league next season.

Scottish Football really is the laughing stock of world football,no to reconstruction,we are going to call the league,oh wait a minute reconstruction....shambolic!

You’ve been listening to sportsound too long

Those maroon media darlings are going down

[JimBHibees]

As far as I know if the money distribution changes in the leagues, which it will, it needs 11-1.

Yes Les Gray from Hamilton indicated that previously

[rossevenil]

You’ve been listening to sportsound too long

Those maroon media darlings are going down

I really hope you are right but i`m not convinced

[G B Young]

Am being told to expect the @spfl to ‘call’ the Premiership on Monday, with @CelticFC being declared Scottish champions for the 9th year in a row. And @JamTarts relegated, pending another attempt at league reconstruction, which could now be resurrected. @BBCSportsound from 2pm

I'm not sure I understand this. Does it mean they will still call the league as scheduled on Monday but Dr Queen chairwoman Hearts owner experienced businesswoman Ann Budge will be allowed to continue to clutch at straws afterwards?

If so I can only assume she has bored everyone into submission with her interminable daily statements and they see this as a way of shutting her up for a bit.

[Danderhall Hibs]

All this chat to find a way to avoid Hearts getting relegated largely because they BBC have two Hertz supporters as pundits. They really need to think about getting a balance of opinion on their programme.

If Rangers, Celtic and Aberdeen hadn’t said they were keen to have another look they wouldn’t have been talking about it today. Reconstruction isn’t a bbc driven thing.

[CMurdoch]

Thanks.

So, Hamilton and St Mirren have already said they only want permanent. You can probably add St Johnstone, Livingston, Ross County, maybe Killie, probably Hibs.

This is a waste of time - no chance of it passing.

Is the correct answer (other than Hibs).
5 of those 6 turkeys ain't votin' for Christmas.

[Joe6-2]

This absolutely stinks

[ac1]

Total joke this - I have paid for my season ticket and I doubt it's Hibs fault but I am done with Scottish football if this is pushed through

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I’m not sure why everyone is getting annoyed by this talk of reconstruction on Sportsound. The way I heard it, the first two minutes of the chat said that it’s only happening after Budge went on about it yesterday and that it has very, very little chance of getting anywhere.

The rest of the chat was wishful thinking by Stewart and McCann - allowing Sportsound to fill an hour and a half of air time when there’s no football on.

There’s a group of clubs who won’t entertain temporary reconstruction and another group that won’t accept permanent reconstruction so it’s not happening.

That said, it’s about time that the SPFL put everyone out of their misery and confirmed it.

[Joe6-2]

I’m not sure why everyone is getting annoyed by this talk of reconstruction on Sportsound. The way I heard it, the first two minutes of the chat said that it’s only happening after Budge went on about it yesterday and that it has very, very little chance of getting anywhere.

The rest of the chat was wishful thinking by Stewart and McCann - allowing Sportsound to fill an hour and a half of air time when there’s no football on.

There’s a group of clubs who won’t entertain temporary reconstruction and another group that won’t accept permanent reconstruction so it’s not happening.

That said, it’s about time that the SPFL put everyone out of their misery and confirmed it.

Hope you are right.
And yes the SPFL could put an end to this now!

[Michael]

Total joke this - I have paid for my season ticket and I doubt it's Hibs fault but I am done with Scottish football if this is pushed through

You're done with Scottish football if they reconstruct the league? Is it really that big of a deal?

[Sammy7nil]

You're done with Scottish football if they reconstruct the league? Is it really that big of a deal?

People say things they don't really mean in the heat of the moment :greengrin

However if they do re-construct I will cut my knob off :wink:

[greenpaper55]

Did they not say at one point that Celtic were on board with the new proposals ?

[Sammy7nil]

Did they not say at one point that Celtic were on board with the new proposals ?

Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen all on board.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen all on board.

On board with what? There is no proposal yet only the promise of one to come.

They may have agreed to consider it but who is going at agree to something without knowing the details?

[Sammy7nil]

On board with what? There is no proposal yet only the promise of one to come.

They may have agreed to consider it but who is going at agree to something without knowing the details?

Hearts, Partick and Stranraer

[Joe6-2]

You're done with Scottish football if they reconstruct the league? Is it really that big of a deal?

Yes if it’s just to save those thieving bassas

[ac1]

You're done with Scottish football if they reconstruct the league? Is it really that big of a deal?

Tired of the whole thing now to be honest. Do you honestly think if Hearts had beaten St Mirren that reconstruction would be on the table? They would be in the Championship and there is no chance we would be having this discussion

[Clarence]

There won’t be any reconstruction in time for next season. Hearts will be playing in the Championship next year. Budge is being placated and being given busy work but there’s no way these, as yet very sketchy, plans will get sufficient backing to change the structure of our league.

[Kato]

There won’t be any reconstruction in time for next season. Hearts will be playing in the Championship next year. Budge is being placated and being given busy work but there’s no way these, as yet very sketchy, plans will get sufficient backing to change the structure of our league.

Exactly.

"Aye nae bother Hen, you get your stuff together and we'll all give it a good listen."

Once she's had her long, lengthy, rambling say (again) they'll still go down.

[Brunswickbill]

The SPFL set up the Reconstruction Working Group so they need to formally consider the results. Budge hasn't formally submitted her proposals, The meeting last week that bombed out to idea of reconstrcution was a meeting of the Premiership clubs not the SPFL. The SPFL will presumably consider Budge's proposal at their meeting next week. It will then be rejected because they need 11 teams in the premiership to support it.

[147lothian]

I’m not sure why everyone is getting annoyed by this talk of reconstruction on Sportsound. The way I heard it, the first two minutes of the chat said that it’s only happening after Budge went on about it yesterday and that it has very, very little chance of getting anywhere.

The rest of the chat was wishful thinking by Stewart and McCann - allowing Sportsound to fill an hour and a half of air time when there’s no football on.

There’s a group of clubs who won’t entertain temporary reconstruction and another group that won’t accept permanent reconstruction so it’s not happening.

That said, it’s about time that the SPFL put everyone out of their misery and confirmed it.

Good post, I hope your right SAM

[where'stheslope]

Tired of the whole thing now to be honest. Do you honestly think if Hearts had beaten St Mirren that reconstruction would be on the table? They would be in the Championship and there is no chance we would be having this discussion
Good question??? But if your right, why has Celtic, Aberdeen and Rangers come out in the last minute to try and change things?
What's in it for them????

[James Stephen]

Good question??? But if your right, why has Celtic, Aberdeen and Rangers come out in the last minute to try and change things?
What's in it for them????

I dont think they are trying to change things per se, i think they are just not against the idea on principle and are happy to listen to proposals.

People have to accept that outwith the bubble of rivalry here in Edinburgh, getting Hearts relegated will not be high on anyone's list of priorities.

Thats not to say it will or wont happen, but its a side issue in a bigger fight for most clubs, possibly even including Hibs (out with the support, obviously)

[Real Emerald]

Good question??? But if your right, why has Celtic, Aberdeen and Rangers come out in the last minute to try and change things?
What's in it for them????
I said it earlier that I think Hearts are going to go bankrupt and Budge has now pleaded for them to change the leagues to stop it happening.

[Waxy]

I said it earlier that I think Hearts are going to go bankrupt and Budge has now pleaded for them to change the leagues to stop it happening.

Tough. They’ve making everyone else lose money forever.
Karma.

[Real Emerald]

Tough. They’ve making everyone else lose money forever.
Karma.

Agree 100% 👍👍

[hibeerealist]

Good question??? But if your right, why has Celtic, Aberdeen and Rangers come out in the last minute to try and change things?
What's in it for them????

Who said they have, the papers??

They are like the turd that will not flush but they will next week!!!