***CC - Staying Or Going?***/NFFC Appoint Coach MERGED

[bingo70]

I don't see why. I am sure Calderwood will be touched by Hibs obvious desire to keep him. He will now face the new season with renewed confidence as a result.

Suppose Hanlon and/or Booth have a good start to the season and start attracting interest how does he then try to convince the player that they're best to stay at Hibs when he's trying to engineer away himself?

If we're trying to sign a player that another club are after how does he convince the target that they should join him instead of the other club when he's already as good as said he wants away himself?......Rooney for example, how could CC hold a stratight face and tell Rooney that rather than joining Birmingham he'd be better off at Hibs when he's desperate to move there himself?

He needs to go now IMO.

[IWasThere2016]

I've always believed attitude comes from the top and cascades down, maybe Lindsay does deal with CC more often but I would imagine he doesn't have the power he perhaps would like.

Difficult one, but the Managers can't see to get away from ER quick enough.

SL is just RP's monkey. RP is in total control, and will have it no other way.

[SteveHFC]

I will start the fund off with £5:taxi
I will add £10 :agree:

[Top Pans Hibby]

If we have refused B'ham permission to speak to Calderwood come out and state it officially now. (Why do we have to rely on Sky Sports News?)

Back this up by Calderwood releasing a personal statement confirming he is committed to Hibs.

TELL THE SUPPORTERS WHAT IS GOING ON AND PUT AN END TO THIS NONSENSE.

If the Board / Manager are unwilling to communicate with the supporters on such a crucial matter at such a crucial time (3 weeks before the season starts) then neither deserve to be anywhere near Hibs.

We've recently just renewed 6 season tickets. I notice there wasn't the same apathy or delay in cashing the cheques.

GET IT SORTED PETRIE OR CLOSE THE DOOR BEHIND YOU AND CALDERWOOD. PATHETIC.

[Andy74]

The results for Yogi initially were superb but they did tail off and when Calderwood picked up the baton, results by and large stayed the same.

However, what I think what separates the two from each other is that Calderwood wasted no time in emptying the players that should never have been given a Hibs strip in the first place; Yogi persisted with them week in, week out.

I think those players would have gone anyway. Who did Hughes play every week that shouldn't have? Who do we have now that's proved to be better?

[bingo70]

If we have refused B'ham permission to speak to Calderwood come out and state it officially now. (Why do we have to rely on Sky Sports News?)

Back this up by Calderwood releasing a personal statement confirming he is committed to Hibs.

TELL THE SUPPORTERS WHAT IS GOING ON AND PUT AN END TO THIS NONSENSE.

If the Board / Manager are unwilling to communicate with the supporters on such a crucial matter at such a crucial time (3 weeks before the season starts) then neither deserve to be anywhere near Hibs.

We've recently just renewed 6 season tickets. I notice there wasn't the same apathy or delay in cashing the cheques.

GET IT SORTED PETRIE OR CLOSE THE DOOR BEHIND YOU AND CALDERWOOD. PATHETIC.

I think they know that us refusing them permission isn't the end of the matter, they know Birmingham will either come back with another offer or CC will resign and i wouldn't expect the board to give us a blow by blow update of negotiations.

I do agree that the lack of anything coming from the club is frustrating though, although i don't really know what i want them to say TBH.

[RickyS]

I think they know that us refusing them permission isn't the end of the matter, they know Birmingham will either come back with another offer or CC will resign and i wouldn't expect the board to give us a blow by blow update of negotiations.

I do agree that the lack of anything coming from the club is frustrating though, although i don't really know what i want them to say TBH.

could this be like the last day of the transfer window where Rod is glued to his mobile all night and we might get the go button at 2 in the morning or did he **** off hame at 5 and said phone me in the morning:greengrin

[stokesmessiah]

I think those players would have gone anyway. Who did Hughes play every week that shouldn't have? Who do we have now that's proved to be better?

Booth??

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I think those players would have gone anyway. Who did Hughes play every week that shouldn't have? Who do we have now that's proved to be better?

Hughes played players that he favoured without fail, regardless of form, attitude or indifference. CC showed no respect for reputation whatsoever, nobody was safe from game to game.

[Top Pans Hibby]

I think they know that us refusing them permission isn't the end of the matter, they know Birmingham will either come back with another offer or CC will resign and i wouldn't expect the board to give us a blow by blow update of negotiations.

I do agree that the lack of anything coming from the club is frustrating though, although i don't really know what i want them to say TBH.

I'm not expecting a blow by blow update bingo. I think the situation has just become a farce. If Calderwood wants to say then come out and say so and put an end to this nonsense. If he is going just let him go and we'll negotiate the compensation later. I am just so frustrated with the Hibs. There is no stability, we've just had one of the worst seasons in recent memory and all we get from the board is requests to renew our season tickets.

Well I just have renewed 6 season tickets. All I want now for all supporters is a little bit of respect as I feel we are being taken for mugs. I'm just fed up bingo !

[Twa Cairpets]

I've always believed attitude comes from the top and cascades down, maybe Lindsay does deal with CC more often but I would imagine he doesn't have the power he perhaps would like.

Difficult one, but the Managers can't see to get away from ER quick enough.

Except that that isnt strictly accurate.

Not defending the board, but Mixu was sacked, Yogi was sacked, JC was "mutual consented", Mowbray got poached for doing a good job to go to a much bigger club, as did McLeish.

I actually dont think its so much the club, but its the position we're in as a club. Results are average or poor - "manager crap, got to go", results are good - people will come circling. I even remember some concern here that we might be losing Yogi to Celtic at one point.

We're not big enough to attract the best established managers, not big enough to hold onto any diamonds we uncover. I just want someone who'll give a bit of entertainment and will be here for more than a season.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Should we not be changing the thread title to "********CC's Been Grounded By Petrie*********"??

[Thief]

Apologies if posted elsewhere, but noticed Michael O'Neil's assistant manager has just resigned from Shamrock Rovers. Statement released hinting at falling out between the two of them, without going into detail.
Fair bit speculation in Ireland that O'Neil could be heading for Easter Road.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Except that that isnt strictly accurate.

Not defending the board, but Mixu was sacked, Yogi was sacked, JC was "mutual consented", Mowbray got poached for doing a good job to go to a much bigger club, as did McLeish.

I actually dont think its so much the club, but its the position we're in as a club. Results are average or poor - "manager crap, got to go", results are good - people will come circling. I even remember some concern here that we might be losing Yogi to Celtic at one point.

We're not big enough to attract the best established managers, not big enough to hold onto any diamonds we uncover. I just want someone who'll give a bit of entertainment and will be here for more than a season.

Billy Davies/Gordon Strachan.

A couple o' wee firebrands, there'll no be a dull moment with either of those two wee gadgies in the dugout.

[Andy74]

Hughes played players that he favoured without fail, regardless of form, attitude or indifference. CC showed no respect for reputation whatsoever, nobody was safe from game to game.

Hughes dropped his captain Hogg. The likes of him Nish, Rankin and often Wotherspoon were in and out.

CC chopped and changed alright. Too much and gave the impression he had no idea who to play or not.

[Andy74]

Booth??

Booth was loaned out and on record as saying it was the best thing that could have happened for him.

[R'Albin]

Billy Davies/Gordon Strachan.

A couple o' wee firebrands, there'll no be a dull moment with either of those two wee gadgies in the dugout.

:agree: Would love to see us employ one of them:thumbsup:

[.Sean.]

This situation/saga is bollocks. Either way, whether he goes to Brum/Forest/Accrington Stanley/whoever or not, he's made his position as manager of HFC pretty much untenable.

For managers just us much as players, we need them to be 100% committed and focused on Hibernian FC, and wanting to be here.

Calderwood plainly isn't any of the above, so should either leave for another club or walk IMO.
Accrington Stanley? Who are they? :confused:

[Kaiser1962]

Do we actually know it's petrie, is he not the chairman now and scott lindsay is chief exec?

surely calderwood would be dealing with lyndsay more than petrie?

We're not sure it's either of them or that it's even true. Get's repeated all the time.

[R'Albin]

Accrington Stanley? Who are they? :confused:

:agree::agree: Exactly.

[Kaiser1962]

Except that that isnt strictly accurate.

Not defending the board, but Mixu was sacked, Yogi was sacked, JC was "mutual consented", Mowbray got poached for doing a good job to go to a much bigger club, as did McLeish.

I actually dont think its so much the club, but its the position we're in as a club. Results are average or poor - "manager crap, got to go", results are good - people will come circling. I even remember some concern here that we might be losing Yogi to Celtic at one point.

We're not big enough to attract the best established managers, not big enough to hold onto any diamonds we uncover. I just want someone who'll give a bit of entertainment and will be here for more than a season.

Far too sensible and realistic.

[Gatecrasher]

Apologies if posted elsewhere, but noticed Michael O'Neil's assistant manager has just resigned from Shamrock Rovers. Statement released hinting at falling out between the two of them, without going into detail.
Fair bit speculation in Ireland that O'Neil could be heading for Easter Road.

http://www.shamrockrovers.ie/news/35-news/2001-trevor-croly-resigns

[bingo70]

I'm not expecting a blow by blow update bingo. I think the situation has just become a farce. If Calderwood wants to say then come out and say so and put an end to this nonsense. If he is going just let him go and we'll negotiate the compensation later. I am just so frustrated with the Hibs. There is no stability, we've just had one of the worst seasons in recent memory and all we get from the board is requests to renew our season tickets.

Well I just have renewed 6 season tickets. All I want now for all supporters is a little bit of respect as I feel we are being taken for mugs. I'm just fed up bingo !

Agree with a lot of what you say, i too think it's turned into a farce, i thought it was the minute i saw that press conference on the bbc website.

I do think though we're in a stronger position to negotiate while we've got him, plus it could take months to sort out compensation after he goes, if we agree a deal with brum we could know what we're getting by the end of the week.

Again agree with you're last bit, the communication with the fans, not just this episode but in general is poor, the fact i've got a season ticket but only get to hear what our managers thoughts are if i give them more money sums that up IMO.

As i said though, i do think this is a difficuilt one for the board to communicate with us but i'm sure there's PR people employed and paid a lot more than i am to be able to get some sort of message across, this silence is no good.

[Jonnyboy]

Except that that isnt strictly accurate.

Not defending the board, but Mixu was sacked, Yogi was sacked, JC was "mutual consented", Mowbray got poached for doing a good job to go to a much bigger club, as did McLeish.

I actually dont think its so much the club, but its the position we're in as a club. Results are average or poor - "manager crap, got to go", results are good - people will come circling. I even remember some concern here that we might be losing Yogi to Celtic at one point.

We're not big enough to attract the best established managers, not big enough to hold onto any diamonds we uncover. I just want someone who'll give a bit of entertainment and will be here for more than a season.

:agree:

[The Falcon]

Except that that isnt strictly accurate.

Not defending the board, but Mixu was sacked, Yogi was sacked, JC was "mutual consented", Mowbray got poached for doing a good job to go to a much bigger club, as did McLeish.

I actually dont think its so much the club, but its the position we're in as a club. Results are average or poor - "manager crap, got to go", results are good - people will come circling. I even remember some concern here that we might be losing Yogi to Celtic at one point.

We're not big enough to attract the best established managers, not big enough to hold onto any diamonds we uncover. I just want someone who'll give a bit of entertainment and will be here for more than a season.

And would he have gone if they had made an offer?

In a heartbeat he would.

[sahib]

Suppose Hanlon and/or Booth have a good start to the season and start attracting interest how does he then try to convince the player that they're best to stay at Hibs when he's trying to engineer away himself?

If we're trying to sign a player that another club are after how does he convince the target that they should join him instead of the other club when he's already as good as said he wants away himself?......Rooney for example, how could CC hold a stratight face and tell Rooney that rather than joining Birmingham he'd be better off at Hibs when he's desperate to move there himself?

He needs to go now IMO.

You don't think players, or more importantly their agents, give two hoots about anything other than the bottom line or some other aspect of narrow self interest. Same goes for managers, St Petrie and the board.

[bighairyfaeleith]

I don't see why. I am sure Calderwood will be touched by Hibs obvious desire to keep him. He will now face the new season with renewed confidence as a result.

Not if he reads this board :)

[bighairyfaeleith]

Except that that isnt strictly accurate.

Not defending the board, but Mixu was sacked, Yogi was sacked, JC was "mutual consented", Mowbray got poached for doing a good job to go to a much bigger club, as did McLeish.

I actually dont think its so much the club, but its the position we're in as a club. Results are average or poor - "manager crap, got to go", results are good - people will come circling. I even remember some concern here that we might be losing Yogi to Celtic at one point.

We're not big enough to attract the best established managers, not big enough to hold onto any diamonds we uncover. I just want someone who'll give a bit of entertainment and will be here for more than a season.

Thread closed for me, couldnt agree more!

[Jones28]

So, if i'm correct, CC wants to speak to Brum but Petrie has refused on the grounds that the compensation was too low?

What ever happens now CC's position is surely untenable? The way this has been handled is ridoculous, and if he's so desperate to go then why not let him, he is clearly showing he has a lack of interest in Hibs

[bingo70]

So, if i'm correct, CC wants to speak to Brum but Petrie has refused on the grounds that the compensation was too low?

What ever happens now CC's position is surely untenable? The way this has been handled is ridoculous, and if he's so desperate to go then why not let him, he is clearly showing he has a lack of interest in Hibs

Money.

We're not talking about £20 here, we're likely to be talking about hundreds of thousands of pounds, we're not in a position to turn our noses up at that, especially if we want to want to pay compensation for a new manager and provide him with money for new players

[hibeeleicester]

If we get 500k snap it up :agree:

Gordan Strachan on 150k a year.

Give him 350k Cash to spend + the extra ST sales.

Job Done.

Where do i apply Petrie?

[Iain G]

So, if i'm correct, CC wants to speak to Brum but Petrie has refused on the grounds that the compensation was too low?

What ever happens now CC's position is surely untenable? The way this has been handled is ridoculous, and if he's so desperate to go then why not let him, he is clearly showing he has a lack of interest in Hibs

No it's all still conjecture, speculation, duff information, rumour, counter rumour and stuff someone's Grannie read in her tea leaves...

Until something actually happens it's all just 68 pages (and counting!) worth of stuff and nonsense :greengrin

[bingo70]

If we get 500k snap it up :agree:

Gordan Strachan on 150k a year.

Give him 350k Cash to spend + the extra ST sales.

Job Done.

Where do i apply Petrie?

I think if we were offered that we would bite their hand off.

What would you do if you were only offered £50k? Keep an unhappy manager and tell them to ram it in the hope they keep coming back with better offers or just accept it so we can get a quick resolution?

Obviously i'm guessing at the figures but sounds to me like that's the dilemma the board has got to deal with just now

[NOLA]

This sorry saga needs to be resolved asap. the new season start is weeks away now, we face the prospect of having a manager in charge who doesnt want to be here or a new manger with a couple of weeks to get to know his new players/the club/backroom staff, either way we are going to struggle this season, of course id love to be proved wrong.

[hibeeleicester]

I think if we were offered that we would bite their hand off.

What would you do if you were only offered £50k? Keep an unhappy manager and tell them to ram it in the hope they keep coming back with better offers or just accept it so we can get a quick resolution?

Obviously i'm guessing at the figures but sounds to me like that's the dilemma the board has got to deal with just now

I really don't think CC is unhappy though!

[Arch Stanton]

Not if he reads this board :)

Ach away.

People who can't handle moronic abuse should never become football managers.

Or parents for that matter.

[bingo70]

I really don't think CC is unhappy though!

Did you see the press conference that was on the BBC website?

He might not have been unhappy before the interest but that man does not want to be at hibs now, he wants to be at Birmingham so that's where he'll end up, it's all about getting as much componsation in as quick a time as possible.

[Kevvy1875]

Swap deal for Murphy:)

[new malkyhib]

[QUOTE=bingo70;2845232]Did you see the press conference that was on the BBC website?

anybody got a link to this interview?

[bingo70]

[QUOTE=bingo70;2845232]Did you see the press conference that was on the BBC website?

anybody got a link to this interview?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13868233.stm

[erin go bragh]

And would he have gone if they had made an offer?

In a heartbeat he would.
He did leave celtic for us as a player :wink:
ggtth

[Removed]

Ach away.

People who can't handle moronic abuse should never become football managers.

Or parents for that matter.

Or admins :agree:

:na na:

[new malkyhib]

[QUOTE=new malkyhib;2845235]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13868233.stm

thanks bingo

[bingo70]

[QUOTE=bingo70;2845236]

thanks bingo

See if you're still thanking me after you watch it :wink:

It's uncomfortable viewing

[Gatecrasher]

[QUOTE=new malkyhib;2845239]

See if you're still thanking me after you watch it :wink:

It's uncomfortable viewing

I was 100% behind him until I saw that last week, I want him out now

[One Day Soon]

De Graaf player-manager. You heard it here first.

Stop it. That's twice now.

[BEEJ]

Except that that isnt strictly accurate.

Not defending the board, but Mixu was sacked, Yogi was sacked, JC was "mutual consented", Mowbray got poached for doing a good job to go to a much bigger club, as did McLeish.

I actually dont think its so much the club, but its the position we're in as a club. Results are average or poor - "manager crap, got to go", results are good - people will come circling. I even remember some concern here that we might be losing Yogi to Celtic at one point.

We're not big enough to attract the best established managers, not big enough to hold onto any diamonds we uncover. I just want someone who'll give a bit of entertainment and will be here for more than a season.
JC actually walked - there was nothing mutual about it. :greengrin

If CC does move on in the next few days that will be five managers that have come and gone in the space of seven years.

That is not in any way normal, even by SPL standards. And it would be hard to argue that it had come about simply through a series of unfortunate events.

[God Petrie]

This is frustrating - another day and this clown is still the manager of Hibs.

Hurry up and **** off CC.

[new malkyhib]

[QUOTE=new malkyhib;2845239]

See if you're still thanking me after you watch it :wink:

It's uncomfortable viewing

I see what you mean - rambling and underwhelming - much like every one of his interviews since he's been in situ. Only thing I could glean from that is that we're not getting an assistant manager anytime soon either, whether it's for him and/or any new boy.

I think something along the lines of..."i'm only two minutes in the door and I want to build something here" would've convinced this doubter.

Time for "the tache" as he's behoved on here to use his legendary negotiating skills to get us the best deal and move this guy on. I've a feeling we'll still be talking about this when the season's underway though - and the wall of silence emanating from Easter Road will go on.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Bring back Yogi!

[Twa Cairpets]

JC actually walked - there was nothing mutual about it. :greengrin

If CC does move on in the next few days that will be five managers that have come and gone in the space of seven years.

That is not in any way normal, even by SPL standards. And it would be hard to argue that it had come about simply through a series of unfortunate events.

Thats fair enough BEEJ, not disagreeing, but of them Yogi and Mixu had to go because it was murder. The JC situation was more to do, it would seem, with the relationship he had with the players than the way it was handled by Petrie wa she going to suspend the whole "deputation"? - that thread would have still been going now...:wink:). Mowbray left after a fair stint. CC for whatever reason seems to be something of a lame duck. Maybe he doesnt like being here, maybe its family, maybe its just too hard for his ability, or maybe we're all putting 2 and 2 together and getting 532? I don't know.

Us, Hearts (who until FJK were trawling through managers faster than us, and have the added complication of his Royal Madness) and Aberdeen are all in a similar position. Best players (and managers in our case) go west, either literally or figuratively. The fans think we should be higher than we are, but we're only really big fish in a small pond.

The managers jobs of these clubs is either a poisoned chalice, a stepping stone or a retirement home. Sad. Depressing. But true.

[Hibercelona]

Bring back Yogi!

I agree. :agree:















I miss those cartoons too. :boo hoo:

[One Day Soon]

There's a time for silence and smart dealing and there's a time for smart media work. When we need to sell season tickets - which we do right now - the club needs to be thinking pretty seriously about closing this off fast. Either move him on quickly or confirm he's going nowhere quickly. But give some leadership.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Registration Fees.

No, wait, that's still not worked :fuming:

[WindyMiller]

Apologies if posted elsewhere, but noticed Michael O'Neil's assistant manager has just resigned from Shamrock Rovers. Statement released hinting at falling out between the two of them, without going into detail.
Fair bit speculation in Ireland that O'Neil could be heading for Easter Road.


Not quite right!

http://theleagueofirelandblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/shamrock-rovers-statement.html

[CRAZYHIBBY]

it becoming rediculous now.........we need answers now:agree:

[Andy Bee]

[QUOTE=new malkyhib;2845239]

See if you're still thanking me after you watch it :wink:

It's uncomfortable viewing

IMO the guy is just being honest, you can't blame him for that, of course the Brum job would warrant some serious consideration, good mates with the manager, parachute payment to blow and a decent squad to start with, you'd have to be daft not to consider it...........tin hat on here.........I think CC has some unfinished business here, personally I'd like to see him here for another season and that's just for starters.

[Sir David Gray]

I've been away down south for the past week but I've been following this story quite closely.

I personally think that he will go but I expected it to have happened before now. I think the Notts Forest link seems dead now but I think he will go to Birmingham, especially now that Chris Hughton is the manager.

His comments last week at his press conference were less than convincing that he saw his long term future at Hibs. That was his opportunity to hit all these rumours on the head once and for all and commit his future to the club. The fact that he failed to do that was quite significant, I think.

I know Sky Sports has reported that Hibs rejected an approach from Birmingham earlier today but if Calderwood wants to leave then he will leave, it is as simple as that. From a Hibs point of view, it's not helpful if we have a manager who doesn't want to be here.

This has been going on for around two weeks now and it just needs to be resolved, one way or another, as soon as possible. The new season is just over 3 weeks away and we can't have this uncertainty hanging over the club any longer. If he wants to go then let him go and make sure that the club is suitably recompensed. We need to have a manager in place for the start of the new season because we absolutely cannot afford to have a season like last year.

[Sodje_18]

I'll drive him there myself :greengrin

[jacomo]

On yer way CC.

I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but today's press conference terrible - no signs of leadership or commitment whatsoever. If you don't want the job, ****** off.

Rather we're looking for a new man now than in a month's time, if that's the way it's going to be.

[Wheat Hound]

http://www.google.co.uk/gwt/x?wsc=eb&wsi=b3c84dc3f817b418&source=m&u=http%3A%2F%2Fthescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/Birmingham-step-up-their-efforts.6793428.jp&ei=Ib4LTvXrO5SK1AaQ4-XsBg

[Sir David Gray]

http://www.google.co.uk/gwt/x?wsc=eb&wsi=b3c84dc3f817b418&source=m&u=http%3A%2F%2Fthescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/Birmingham-step-up-their-efforts.6793428.jp&ei=Ib4LTvXrO5SK1AaQ4-XsBg

Your link doesn't work.

The link you're looking for is this;

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/Birmingham-step-up-their-efforts.6793428.jp

[Wheat Hound]

Your link doesn't work.

The link you're looking for is this;

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/Birmingham-step-up-their-efforts.6793428.jp

Cheers

[GreenCastle]

So now it's more like when he will go...

Not...if he will go...

"Hibs in negotiations" - meaning trying to get best deal for CC leaving now...

Leaves us not long before the season starts to find a manager who can get the club back on stable track.

The next appointment could be very interesting :agree: hopefully.....

[stevej]

Nottingham Paper confirm we (Forest) have never made a formal approach to speak to Calderwood

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/formal-Forest-approach-Calderwood/story-12850111-detail/story.html

Hibs obviously knew nothing about the meeting in Leicester a couple of weeks back

I am assuming word of this meeting has got back to your chairman though at some stage

And McClaren since said in a press conference it was no secret he wanted Calderwood to be his assistant manager

I cant believe Hibs havent reported us for this to be honest

[Petrie's Tache]

Why get a quote from sloop on this? Luggy to Hibs? Sloop as no 2?

[bighairyfaeleith]

noticed andy watsons name in that story, lots of experience now, would he be a good step up to a manager?

Don't know much about him really so just asking the question.

[carnoustiehibee]

If cc does go would riordAn sign a new deal??

[HibeeMG]

If cc does go would riordAn sign a new deal??

Depends who gets the job.

Definitely not if WGS gets it! :greengrin

[Kaiser1962]

it becoming rediculous now.........we need answers now:agree:

Whats the question?

Other than a couple of lines officially that is and millions of lines of gossip on a few messageboards, along with some tweets that have came and went?

[Beefster]

If cc does go would riordAn sign a new deal??

Why would he? Is Calderwood the reason that Riordan left?

[carnoustiehibee]

I don't know, just strange he would leave hibs to join Aberdeen ( if that rumour is true)

[Kaiser1962]

I don't know, just strange he would leave hibs to join Aberdeen ( if that rumour is true)

Two questions really.


1/ Who's going to Aberdeen?

2/ How many rumours on this thread, never mind this board, turn out to be true?

[carnoustiehibee]

Two questions really.


1/ Who's going to Aberdeen?

2/ How many rumours on this thread, never mind this board, turn out to be true?

There's another thread of riordAn going to Aberdeen which was started on the Aberdeen footymad forum

[KWJ]

So now it's more like when he will go...

Not...if he will go...

"Hibs in negotiations" - meaning trying to get best deal for CC leaving now...

Leaves us not long before the season starts to find a manager who can get the club back on stable track.

The next appointment could be very interesting :agree: hopefully.....

Oooooooor Calderwood isn't giving it consideration unless Hibs accept an offer and he might still turn it down. Hibs may not accept any offer and CC might be fine with it.

We don't know.

[Kaiser1962]

There's another thread of riordAn going to Aberdeen which was started on the Aberdeen footymad forum

Didnt see that one.

[Jim44]

Oooooooor Calderwood isn't giving it consideration unless Hibs accept an offer and he might still turn it down. Hibs may not accept any offer and CC might be fine with it.

We don't know.

I think John Blackley has got it right in the Scotsman this morning. He says that, as like himself, some people are satisfied being an assistant out of the media spotlight and day to day admin. chores and some people like to be no 1 with all the trimmings. Calderwood is showing strong signs of being in the former category. It's taking it's time in coming but we might be well shot of Calderwood.

[chrisski33]

Given the situation with the birmingham owner and the police maybe the cc may not happen if birmingham arent able to release funds to pay the compensation?

[Captain Trips]

Given the situation with the birmingham owner and the police maybe the cc may not happen if birmingham arent able to release funds to pay the compensation?

I hope not, the fact there has been discussion or an attempt of discussion between clubs suggests to me that CC has the desire to go. CC cannot continue in the job now we need a manager whom will see out a term, he cannot sign people now and sell club to them after looking to move on himself.

[Kaiser1962]

Given the situation with the birmingham owner and the police maybe the cc may not happen if birmingham arent able to release funds to pay the compensation?

If he dosent go can we start a sweepstake as how many minutes into the Celtic game it will take for the first shout of;

" Ye should have f u**ed of tae Birmingham/Forest/AN Other (delete as appropriate) ye clueless c u*t!"


Mines three minutes 17 secs.

[JustSimplyHibs]

If he dosent go can we start a sweepstake as how many minutes into the Celtic game it will take for the first shout of;

" Ye should have f u**ed of tae Birmingham/Forest/AN Other (delete as appropriate) ye clueless c u*t!"


Mines three minutes 17 secs.

Mines will be....never cause we are gonna pumped Selick 3-1, be top ay the league by xmas, semi final ay the league cup, finish 3rd and win the Scottish.....

Mon the Hibs!!!! :flag::hibees:flag:

[yekimevol]

Mines will be....never cause we are gonna pumped Selick 3-1, be top ay the league by xmas, semi final ay the league cup, finish 3rd and win the Scottish.....

Mon the Hibs!!!! :flag::hibees:flag:

:cgwa:cgwa:cgwa

[Saorsa]

Mines will be....never cause we are gonna pumped Selick 3-1, be top ay the league by xmas, semi final ay the league cup, finish 3rd and win the Scottish.....

Mon the Hibs!!!! :flag::hibees:flag::hilarious

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[Frogga]

Sky Sports saying we've knocked back Birmingham's approach:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11781_7010710,00.html

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Sky Sports saying we've knocked back Birmingham's approach:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11781_7010710,00.html

Mind games. More Money. In Rod we trust :greengrin

[Saorsa]

Mind games. More Money. In Rod we trust :greengrinSpeak for yersel.

It'll be great if he ends up trying tae be too clever and we get stuck with a manager that disnae want tae be here. In the meantime our own team rebuilding is up in the air, with the season less than a month away.

Farce :bitchy:

[Purehibee_MYB]

I am so so tired of this whole thing now, I hope it all gets sorted today so we can continue with our preparations for the start of the season!

[Captain Trips]

Mind games. More Money. In Rod we trust :greengrin


Rod gets what I expect us to get in terms of fees etc, so not into this great at getting deal prices , I would have expected any director to have got the fees we received, I trust Rod to save money and build some infrastucture, in all else I do not think much of him/board.

[Dinkydoo]

Aye he is a tosser - he left an EPL club as an assistant manager to join us only to go running back to the first job that interests him which is another assistant manager role in a lower division.

If that doesn't constitute a tosser then what does?!

Results have been crap bar a spell when we beat 5 teams in a row which included 3 wins against 2 teams which finished below us. What he done before joining us got him the gig at ER however I base my opinion on what he has done at Hibs which is piss poor.

I admit that if/when he does leave, any future club must have severe reservations about his loyalty but let's not forget that there could be other factors at work here that we don't know about such as family issues.

I'd rather leave the personal abuse out, whats the point....:rolleyes:


Most of those players had achieved fourth the year before, and by all accounts, the reason that they then began to fail was that Yogi didn't have a clue, was a bully, was playing players out of position, wasn't playing certain players, talked crap during interviews, and so on.

It was only October and we'd been a bit unlucky in our early home games in that we drew games we should have won when we missed penalties, hit the bar and all that.

There was a feeling that after the end of the previosu season we had started to struggle again and were going to be left behind for Europe if we weren't careful.

Given all the complaints about Yogi you would think a new manager who didn't bully them, did have a clue and didn't talk crap duing interviews would turn things around.

He then got seven players in January and did, belatedly, turn things around only for those saem players to turn in far worse than we'd ever got during Yogi, failing to beat or even draw sometimes against the worst teams in the league at home.

There seems to be a belief that i was a big Yogi fan. Not really, but we did have 7 or 8 fantastic months which look way beyond us now and i don't think change works well in the long term when you are in bad form.

It's been shown now that here we are nearly a year later, a new set of players and in the same sort of position, maybe worse, squad wise.

I think Yogi would have sorted it out in less than a whole other year and less than ten new players.

I think it is far more indicative of the quality of playing staff we had on our books the fact that we went on such a dismal run that lasted a year rather than the quality iof manager.

Yogi however did appear to be painfully out of his depth.

I'd argue that squad wise we are in a better position than last year; at leasst now we have some players who aren't constantly injured and actually want to play for the jersey. You can haev all the quality you want but if the players don't care and don't really want to be here then you're never going to get the best out of them anyway - we have needed a massive clear out for ages.

Yogi didn't do it in the 10 months he was in charge during that god awful run; what makes you think that he'd have done it in the two he would have had left before the January transfer window?

[chrisski33]

Sky Sports saying we've knocked back Birmingham's approach:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11781_7010710,00.html

That was last night but bbcs transfer gossip page this morning says birmingham.have stepped up their pursuit of cc. dunno what to.believe now.

[Speedway]

Which is going to happen first, the news of CC going or this thread reaching 100 pages?

[Captain Trips]

Which is going to happen first, the news of CC going or this thread reaching 100 pages?

Close, I will go for 3pm today it will be sorted.

[R'Albin]

Close, I will go for 3pm today it will be sorted.

So 100 pages then?:greengrin

[Stonewall]

Speak for yersel.

It'll be great if he ends up trying tae be too clever and we get stuck with a manager that disnae want tae be here. In the meantime our own team rebuilding is up in the air, with the season less than a month away.

Farce :bitchy:

Agree this is a farce but it's not one of our own making. Birmingham will be aware of the position we are in and that it is in our interests to get this matter resolved quickly.

If we don't hold out for appropriate compensation we're letting Birmingham walk all over us.

[Cropley10]

If we don't hold out for appropriate compensation we're letting Birmingham walk all over us.

Except they hold all the aces... Caldo can resign... and walk...

[stokesmessiah]

Except they hold all the aces... Caldo can resign... and walk...

As has been mentioned before i am pretty sure there would be a legal case to answer if that happened???

[Cropley10]

As has been mentioned before i am pretty sure there would be a legal case to answer if that happened???

Legal case? He can resign. End of. Whether he was tapped up or not, is something that then might be brought up later on and may or may not include some compensation.

We have very little in the way of a bargaining position..

[The Sea-gull]

You would hope that Petrie has checked with CC and asked him if he actually wants to speak to them first.

As we all expect CC would say yes and then surely Petrie then tells Birmingham how much it will cost them to get him. I'd assume that is the stage things are at. Once Hibs and Brum agree a price, then CC and Brum talk terms.

We also all know that there is nothing to stop Hughton phoning his friend and having regular "chats" about things. Chances are CC will know the package on offer etc and will not take long to sign on the dotted line. The minute Hibs and Birmingham agree a fee, it'll not take long before he's gone.

He'll be gone, think we all know that especially as there are two teams down there after him, his family ties are down that way and lets face it, Hibs and CC hasn't exactly worked out well. He's never looked comfortable in the job and maybe as decided that he is better off being a no 2 for now.

Do we actually want someone with his record to stay anyway, especially as he doesn't and hasn't ever really seemed fully committed.

Is the fact that things haven't gone well down to CC, Hibs as a club or a bit of both. Probably the latter but I'm just hoping that there is someone out there who can make a go of the Hibs job as I begining to think the problem lies within the club rather than the managers and players we have had in recent years.

[stevej]

Except they hold all the aces... Caldo can resign... and walk...

If he walks he will be out of the game for 12 months at least

Neither Birmingham or Forest can wait for him (I am assuming Forest are already looking elsewhere)

He wont be able to just resign and then take another job immediately - if he could he would have already gone

Nobody will be in bigger turmoil than Calderwood right now

Pretty sure Birmingham will strike a deal though somehow

[Cropley10]

You would hope that Petrie has checked with CC and asked him if he actually wants to speak to them first.

As we all expect CC would say yes and then surely Petrie then tells Birmingham how much it will cost them to get him. I'd assume that is the stage things are at. Once Hibs and Brum agree a price, then CC and Brum talk terms.

He'll be gone, think we all know that especially as there are two teams down there after him, his family ties are down that way and lets face it, Hibs and CC hasn't exactly worked out well. He's never looked comfortable in the job and maybe as decided that he is better off being a no 2 for now.

Do we actually want someone with his record to stay anyway, especially as he doesn't and hasn't ever really seemed fully committed.

Is the fact that things haven't gone well down to CC, Hibs as a club or a bit of both. Probably the latter but I'm just hoping that there is someone out there who can make a go of the Hibs job as I begining to think the problem lies within the club rather than the managers and players we have had in recent years.

This should have been sorted at the weekend. It's dragging on and will impact our pre-season and signing ability...

[machibby]

Except they hold all the aces... Caldo can resign... and walk...

Considering how McLeish left them and how their chief executive stated "it's about time some discipline is instilled into this game" in reaction to villa switch, it would be interesting to see their reaction to the cc walking scenario.

[brydekirk]

:agree:
This should have been sorted at the weekend. It's dragging on and will impact our pre-season and signing ability...

[Captain Trips]

Unfortunatley it is not like a player who is looking to leave and our fee has not been met, in theory we can just pick other players and wait. The manager is different if he is looking to go we cant just ignore that as easily. I think we will be taking the compo a lot sooner than later.

[aberhibsfc]

As I have said earlier if Brum want him just get rid. He will not be able to hold his head up if he does abandon his post at ER. He had a dismal season and he won't do his reputation much good either by courting interest from down south. He hasn't proved himself other than dismal form and lack of loyalty. Does he not have the gonads to hold his head up and terminate his contract with us, I am sure he made plenty of money out of football and can afford a couple of weeks without a pay cheque. But I get the feeling CC likes to have the constant income.

Petrie should give up the ghost with this and allow discussions, it's only going to go badly if we keep resisting, if he wants to go but is still here, it won't go well and the fans will be anxious. We can avoid all this now but just getting rid taking a small fee or none, we can't afford to enter another transition period but if we have to, it has to be now so we can get some more players in. The clubs preparation for 2011-12 has to come first and foremost, chasing Brum for comp is just fools gold. We would make a small profit but at what cost to our clubs new season. It's about time this board were a bit more decisive and dedicated to the footballing side of the club rather than the financial spreadsheets.

[Saorsa]

As I have said earlier if Brum want him just get rid. He will not be able to hold his head up if he does abandon his post at ER. He had a dismal season and he won't do his reputation much good either by courting interest from down south. He hasn't proved himself other than dismal form and lack of loyalty. Does he not have the gonads to hold his head up and terminate his contract with us, I am sure he made plenty of money out of football and can afford a couple of weeks without a pay cheque. But I get the feeling CC likes to have the constant income.

Petrie should give up the ghost with this and allow discussions, it's only going to go badly if we keep resisting, if he wants to go but is still here, it won't go well and the fans will be anxious. We can avoid all this now but just getting rid taking a small fee or none, we can't afford to enter another transition period but if we have to, it has to be now so we can get some more players in. The clubs preparation for 2011-12 has to come first and foremost, chasing Brum for comp is just fools gold. We would make a small profit but at what cost to our clubs new season. It's about time this board were a bit more decisive and dedicated to the footballing side of the club rather than the financial spreadsheets.Football, balance sheets and Petrie.

One of them is the odd one out, anybody care tae guess which one. :hmmm:

[Hibbyradge]

As I have said earlier if Brum want him just get rid. He will not be able to hold his head up if he does abandon his post at ER. He had a dismal season and he won't do his reputation much good either by courting interest from down south. He hasn't proved himself other than dismal form and lack of loyalty. Does he not have the gonads to hold his head up and terminate his contract with us, I am sure he made plenty of money out of football and can afford a couple of weeks without a pay cheque. But I get the feeling CC likes to have the constant income.

Petrie should give up the ghost with this and allow discussions, it's only going to go badly if we keep resisting, if he wants to go but is still here, it won't go well and the fans will be anxious. We can avoid all this now but just getting rid taking a small fee or none, we can't afford to enter another transition period but if we have to, it has to be now so we can get some more players in. The clubs preparation for 2011-12 has to come first and foremost, chasing Brum for comp is just fools gold. We would make a small profit but at what cost to our clubs new season. It's about time this board were a bit more decisive and dedicated to the footballing side of the club rather than the financial spreadsheets.

The board is dedicating itself to the footballing side. They're trying to keep our manager.

Everything else is just ill informed speculation.

[bruno]

Legal case? He can resign. End of. Whether he was tapped up or not, is something that then might be brought up later on and may or may not include some compensation.

We have very little in the way of a bargaining position..


Yes but could they not refuse to accept his resignation?

He may also have a period of notice perhaps 3 months or longer in which case I reckon an amicable settlement would be reached.

[Thomson]

Football, balance sheets and Petrie.

One of them is the odd one out, anybody care tae guess which one. :hmmm:

Is It Petrie? :greengrin

[Saorsa]

Is It Petrie? :greengrinNext please :wink:

[IWasThere2016]

Given the situation with the birmingham owner and the police maybe the cc may not happen if birmingham arent able to release funds to pay the compensation?

That has nothing to do with BCFC however ..

[MrSmith]

Balance sheets??

[JohnScott]

The board is dedicating itself to the footballing side. They're trying to keep our manager.

Everything else is just ill informed speculation.

I'm sorry but that's rubbish. The only person who can end this farce is CC. Why would you attempt to keep a member of staff who's clearly interested in moving on. Are you claiming he hasn't been talking to his old colleague Houghton on the phone about wages, terms etc. He's waiting for the clubs to agree compensation. If he wanted to stay he would have said so. Get him out the bloody door asap

[Albion Hibs]

Am I missing something here, a lot of the posts above seem to be having a go at CC when I see the events as;

- Birmingham and Nots Forest Interested in our manager
- Speculation grows
- CC states that he is focused on the hibs job, that is the job he is here to do
- The club rejects the approach of Birmingham

How exactly is CC getting the "get rid treatment". Surely we should actually be flattered that a not so long ago premiership club rates our manager that much. Lets be honest he has shown a lot more loyalty to Hibs in his action that a lot of those making comments on here in relation to the club and him.

Lets be honest, we want CC to show loyalty to Hibs, but the fact of the matter is if we have a bad run at the start of the season 7 out of 10 on here will be screaming for his head. It is the same all the time, we demand a lot more loyalty than we would give more often than not.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm sorry but that's rubbish. The only person who can end this farce is CC. Why would you attempt to keep a member of staff who's clearly interested in moving on. Are you claiming he hasn't been talking to his old colleague Houghton on the phone about wages, terms etc. He's waiting for the clubs to agree compensation. If he wanted to stay he would have said so. Get him out the bloody door asap

Is he clearly interested in moving on?

Sure?

[stevej]

Took Martin O'Neill over a year to sort out contract problems when he resigned from Villa

Resigning isnt an option really for Calderwood whereas O'Neill could afford to and always knew he would never have a problem getting another big job offer

Calderwood has to be able to walk into one of these jobs as neither club will be able to operate for many months without an assistant manager

So he has to be sacked or there has to be an agreement - simply walking out isnt an option for him

[aberhibsfc]

I'm sorry but that's rubbish. The only person who can end this farce is CC. Why would you attempt to keep a member of staff who's clearly interested in moving on. Are you claiming he hasn't been talking to his old colleague Houghton on the phone about wages, terms etc. He's waiting for the clubs to agree compensation. If he wanted to stay he would have said so. Get him out the bloody door asap

:agree:

I am sure the board would rather he stayed but I get the feeling this is not going to be possible and it's now about forcing some compo out of BC.

[scoopyboy]

Legal case? He can resign. End of. Whether he was tapped up or not, is something that then might be brought up later on and may or may not include some compensation.

We have very little in the way of a bargaining position..

Hibs hold the ace, Calderwood is contracted for over another two years so he can't go anywhere without Hibs receiving compensation. Until Hibs agree compensation he will go nowhere.

If it was as simple as him resigning he would have been away days ago.

CC knows it, Hibs know it and Brum know it.

[stevej]

Is he clearly interested in moving on?


Dont tell me you think he wants to stay !

If he wants to lead your team to success this season then he needed to commit himself to you 100%

Even your players will be doubting he stays now let alone most of your fans

Your chairman will have replacements in the pipeline as well

It is all politics now

[yekimevol]

Am I missing something here, a lot of the posts above seem to be having a go at CC when I see the events as;

- Birmingham and Nots Forest Interested in our manager
- Speculation grows
- CC states that he is focused on the hibs job, that is the job he is here to do
- The club rejects the approach of Birmingham

How exactly is CC getting the "get rid treatment". Surely we should actually be flattered that a not so long ago premiership club rates our manager that much. Lets be honest he has shown a lot more loyalty to Hibs in his action that a lot of those making comments on here in relation to the club and him.

Lets be honest, we want CC to show loyalty to Hibs, but the fact of the matter is if we have a bad run at the start of the season 7 out of 10 on here will be screaming for his head. It is the same all the time, we demand a lot more loyalty than we would give more often than not.


:top marks:top marks:top marks
:cgwa:cgwa:cgwa

[Hibstrooper]

Am I missing something here, a lot of the posts above seem to be having a go at CC when I see the events as;

- Birmingham and Nots Forest Interested in our manager
- Speculation grows
- CC states that he is focused on the hibs job, that is the job he is here to do
- The club rejects the approach of Birmingham

How exactly is CC getting the "get rid treatment". Surely we should actually be flattered that a not so long ago premiership club rates our manager that much. Lets be honest he has shown a lot more loyalty to Hibs in his action that a lot of those making comments on here in relation to the club and him.

Lets be honest, we want CC to show loyalty to Hibs, but the fact of the matter is if we have a bad run at the start of the season 7 out of 10 on here will be screaming for his head. It is the same all the time, we demand a lot more loyalty than we would give more often than not.

Whilst you could probably pull snippets from his last interview where he may have said something along these lines the part you are missing is the other parts of the interview that implied something completely different.

There is also the total silence this week from CC where he could have quite easily came out with a statement or given an interview to reassure us that this is true.

Are you trully convinced he is 100% focused and committed to Hibs right now?

[persevere1875]

I'm sorry but that's rubbish. The only person who can end this farce is CC. Why would you attempt to keep a member of staff who's clearly interested in moving on. Are you claiming he hasn't been talking to his old colleague Houghton on the phone about wages, terms etc. He's waiting for the clubs to agree compensation. If he wanted to stay he would have said so. Get him out the bloody door asap


Are you claiming you have inside information that he HAS been on the phone to Houghton discussing terms and talking wages and terms etc, If so how do you know this ?

Have you been standing beside him while he's done it ?

Has he told you personally ?

Has anyone who's overheard Colin Calderwood talking to any Birmingham representative told you what was said ?

NO, Didnt think so, so as the guy quite rightly said, Everything else is just ill informed speculation.

And for what its worth, If I were Colin Calderwood and I saw the mindless pish and conjecture thats been posted on this thread, I'd walk away from Hibs as soon as possible.

There seems to be many people on here coming up with there own theories and rumours which within two pages are then taken as gospel and the story just grows and grows.

There seems to be far too few people on here, despite the solid and factual info we have that CC continues to take training on a daily basis, that are prepared to open their minds up to the possibilities that maybe, just maybe, CC is of the same mind as RP and the Hibs board which is If there's nothing to say, say nothing and spend your time getting on with what your supposed to be doing, building for next season.

[blackpoolhibs]

Hibs hold the ace, Calderwood is contracted for over another two years so he can't go anywhere without Hibs receiving compensation. Until Hibs agree compensation he will go nowhere.

If it was as simple as him resigning he would have been away days ago.

CC knows it, Hibs know it and Brum know it.

I'm not entirely sure thats the case, yes Hibs know he cant go anywhere without receiving compo, but they know he wants to go. They also know he's not committed to Hibs now, and wont want him at the club, but want the best deal regarding compo from Birmingham.

Its all about how much we can screw out them now, as i'm sure Petrie wont want him as manager for the coming season, and they will have someone lined up, or at least be speaking to someone.

All the time this is going on, we are suffering. We cant sign players, those players at the club will be worried, and the fans are sick of it.

Not a good time at easter road.

[IWasThere2016]

I'm not entirely sure thats the case, yes Hibs know he cant go anywhere without receiving compo, but they know he wants to go. They also know he's not committed to Hibs now, and wont want him at the club, but want the best deal regarding compo from Birmingham.

Its all about how much we can screw out them now, as i'm sure Petrie wont want him as manager for the coming season, and they will have someone lined up, or at least be speaking to someone.

All the time this is going on, we are suffering. We cant sign players, those players at the club will be worried, and the fans are sick of it.

Not a good time at easter road.

:agree: and as pointed out by others also .. get a move on and move on with the new man/squad!

[Golden Bear]

Hibs hold the ace, Calderwood is contracted for over another two years so he can't go anywhere without Hibs receiving compensation. Until Hibs agree compensation he will go nowhere.

If it was as simple as him resigning he would have been away days ago.

CC knows it, Hibs know it and Brum know it.

Only trouble is that CC may have already done irreparable damage to his reputation and if the team start the season poorly then he'll be in for a difficult time.

[dangermouse]

Is he clearly interested in moving on?

Sure?


Dont tell me you think he wants to stay !

If he wants to lead your team to success this season then he needed to commit himself to you 100%

Even your players will be doubting he stays now let alone most of your fans

Your chairman will have replacements in the pipeline as well

It is all politics now

IMHO he does. The board want him to stay. I'd rather he stays and continues to develop the squad. However, with all the crap spouted on here over the last few days, whether he does remains to be seen.

[Hibee87]

I'm not entirely sure thats the case, yes Hibs know he cant go anywhere without receiving compo, but they know he wants to go. They also know he's not committed to Hibs now, and wont want him at the club, but want the best deal regarding compo from Birmingham.

Its all about how much we can screw out them now, as i'm sure Petrie wont want him as manager for the coming season, and they will have someone lined up, or at least be speaking to someone.

All the time this is going on, we are suffering. We cant sign players, those players at the club will be worried, and the fans are sick of it.

Not a good time at easter road.

There was a statement in a paper yesterday where calderwood was quotes as saying somthing along the lines of we want to take airey on loan for a year but need to wait till he/ english players are back form there holidays and that he would need to wait a week or 2 before anything will happen, that to me says he is stil looking at getting players in plus who knows who else we are chasing

i agree with what is being said though either leave or make you intentions clear that your staying we need somthing or i believe there will be a few shouts aimed towards him tomorrow (if he is there ov course :devil:)

[Speedway]

FINALLY!!

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20110622/calderwood-planning-ahead_2262950_2380541

[persevere1875]

IMHO he does. The board want him to stay. I'd rather he stays and continues to develop the squad. However, with all the crap spouted on here over the last few days, whether he does remains to be seen.

:top marks

[blackpoolhibs]

Are you claiming you have inside information that he HAS been on the phone to Houghton discussing terms and talking wages and terms etc, If so how do you know this ?

Have you been standing beside him while he's done it ?

Has he told you personally ?

Has anyone who's overheard Colin Calderwood talking to any Birmingham representative told you what was said ?

NO, Didnt think so, so as the guy quite rightly said, Everything else is just ill informed speculation.

And for what its worth, If I were Colin Calderwood and I saw the mindless pish and conjecture thats been posted on this thread, I'd walk away from Hibs as soon as possible.

There seems to be many people on here coming up with there own theories and rumours which within two pages are then taken as gospel and the story just grows and grows.

There seems to be far too few people on here, despite the solid and factual info we have that CC continues to take training on a daily basis, that are prepared to open their minds up to the possibilities that maybe, just maybe, CC is of the same mind as RP and the Hibs board which is If there's nothing to say, say nothing and spend your time getting on with what your supposed to be doing, building for next season.

Aye because thats worked, thats galvanised the club and we are all behind whats happening at the club. You must not read the papers, as if you did, you'd have read that Calderwood speaks to Hughton nearly every day.

If you think for one minute during those conversations they have not spoken about this job, would he like to come and what the money and job description would be, you must still believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause.

It would seem very strange to me that 2 people who talk to each other daily, would not know if one of them was going to approach the others employer without him knowing about it.

These 2 know what they are doing, to think differently imo is just burying your head in the sand. Both will know whats on offer, and both want to be together again. If that was not the case, he'd have told him on his many conversations he has with him almost daily and there would have been no approach from Birmingham.

The club has been in turmoil for nearly a fortnight, and one interview or statement from Calderwood could have put this whole thing to bed, but no saying nothing is the best thing you think?

[silverhibee]

I'm not entirely sure thats the case, yes Hibs know he cant go anywhere without receiving compo, but they know he wants to go. They also know he's not committed to Hibs now, and wont want him at the club, but want the best deal regarding compo from Birmingham.

Its all about how much we can screw out them now, as i'm sure Petrie wont want him as manager for the coming season, and they will have someone lined up, or at least be speaking to someone.

All the time this is going on, we are suffering. We cant sign players, those players at the club will be worried, and the fans are sick of it.

Not a good time at easter road.


:top marks :agree:

[Hibstrooper]

Everything else is just ill informed speculation.

Have you spoken to CC directly or someone at Hibs? If not then how do you know it is ill informed speculation, is it not just speculation?




CC is of the same mind as RP and the Hibs board which is If there's nothing to say, say nothing and spend your time getting on with what your supposed to be doing, building for next season.

71 pages of bickering and angry Hibs fans implies that there is something to be said. If you are that confident he is committed to Hibs it would be really easy to put all of this to bed.

Also why did we get a message from the board last week to say there had been no direct approach for Calderwood from Forrest - why haven't the addressed the Birmingham rumours in the same way?

The silence is deafening and very frustrating.

[IWasThere2016]

FINALLY!!

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20110622/calderwood-planning-ahead_2262950_2380541

:tsk tsk: That's over a week old!

[Speedway]

Aye because thats worked, thats galvanised the club and we are all behind whats happening at the club. You must not read the papers, as if you did, you'd have read that Calderwood speaks to Hughton nearly every day.

If you think for one minute during those conversations they have not spoken about this job, would he like to come and what the money and job description would be, you must still believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause.

It would seem very strange to me that 2 people who talk to each other daily, would not know if one of them was going to approach the others employer without him knowing about it.

These 2 know what they are doing, to think differently imo is just burying your head in the sand. Both will know whats on offer, and both want to be together again. If that was not the case, he'd have told him on his many conversations he has with him almost daily and there would have been no approach from Birmingham.

The club has been in turmoil for nearly a fortnight, and one interview or statement from Calderwood could have put this whole thing to bed, but no saying nothing is the best thing you think?

What you saying, G?

[Captain Trips]

Are you claiming you have inside information that he HAS been on the phone to Houghton discussing terms and talking wages and terms etc, If so how do you know this ?

Have you been standing beside him while he's done it ?

Has he told you personally ?

Has anyone who's overheard Colin Calderwood talking to any Birmingham representative told you what was said ?

NO, Didnt think so, so as the guy quite rightly said, Everything else is just ill informed speculation.

And for what its worth, If I were Colin Calderwood and I saw the mindless pish and conjecture thats been posted on this thread, I'd walk away from Hibs as soon as possible.

There seems to be many people on here coming up with there own theories and rumours which within two pages are then taken as gospel and the story just grows and grows.

There seems to be far too few people on here, despite the solid and factual info we have that CC continues to take training on a daily basis, that are prepared to open their minds up to the possibilities that maybe, just maybe, CC is of the same mind as RP and the Hibs board which is If there's nothing to say, say nothing and spend your time getting on with what your supposed to be doing, building for next season.


I would not say it is ill informed regarding Bham I would say it was logical to assume and yes I use word assume that there has been a discussion. Why would Bham bother to discuss anything with Hibs or try to discuss before knowing if the man they want is even interested? I think it is perfectly fair to assume that Bham will know that CC is interested in the job and that will be why they have appraoched, seems a bit of an effort to go to with Hibs without even knowing if he wants job at Bham.

[persevere1875]

Aye because thats worked, thats galvanised the club and we are all behind whats happening at the club. You must not read the papers, as if you did, you'd have read that Calderwood speaks to Hughton nearly every day.

If you think for one minute during those conversations they have not spoken about this job, would he like to come and what the money and job description would be, you must still believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause.

It would seem very strange to me that 2 people who talk to each other daily, would not know if one of them was going to approach the others employer without him knowing about it.

These 2 know what they are doing, to think differently imo is just burying your head in the sand. Both will know whats on offer, and both want to be together again. If that was not the case, he'd have told him on his many conversations he has with him almost daily and there would have been no approach from Birmingham.

The club has been in turmoil for nearly a fortnight, and one interview or statement from Calderwood could have put this whole thing to bed, but no saying nothing is the best thing you think?

Oh right I see, and just remind me when was the last time the Hibs support and posters on this forum were solidly behind one manager at Hibs again.......

[Saorsa]

IMHO he does. The board want him to stay. I'd rather he stays and continues to develop the squad. However, with all the crap spouted on here over the last few days, whether he does remains to be seen.If he was so keen tae stay He could have just said that and put it tae bed immediately, He never. He's No.1 at Easter Road, He's considering being No.2 elsewhere, that says enough tae me about how committed tae Hibs He is. What good does He think He's doing letting this drag on if He's so committed tae Hibs?

[Speedway]

Oh right I see, and just remind me when was the last time the Hibs support and posters on this forum were solidly behind one manager at Hibs again.......

McLeish '99-00 and Mowbray '04-05

[persevere1875]

McLeish '99-00 and Mowbray '04-05

And were now going into season 2011 - 2012, does that not speak volumes Speedway ?

[Saorsa]

I'm not entirely sure thats the case, yes Hibs know he cant go anywhere without receiving compo, but they know he wants to go. They also know he's not committed to Hibs now, and wont want him at the club, but want the best deal regarding compo from Birmingham.

Its all about how much we can screw out them now, as i'm sure Petrie wont want him as manager for the coming season, and they will have someone lined up, or at least be speaking to someone.

All the time this is going on, we are suffering. We cant sign players, those players at the club will be worried, and the fans are sick of it.

Not a good time at easter road.:agree: Particularly they bits

[Speedway]

And were now going into season 2011 - 2012, does that not speak volumes Speedway ?

Yes it does, it is much more frequent than I would have guessed a hate and doubt filled support could muster in a ten year period.

[GreenPJ]

Aye because thats worked, thats galvanised the club and we are all behind whats happening at the club. You must not read the papers, as if you did, you'd have read that Calderwood speaks to Hughton nearly every day.

If you think for one minute during those conversations they have not spoken about this job, would he like to come and what the money and job description would be, you must still believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause.

It would seem very strange to me that 2 people who talk to each other daily, would not know if one of them was going to approach the others employer without him knowing about it.

These 2 know what they are doing, to think differently imo is just burying your head in the sand. Both will know whats on offer, and both want to be together again. If that was not the case, he'd have told him on his many conversations he has with him almost daily and there would have been no approach from Birmingham.

The club has been in turmoil for nearly a fortnight, and one interview or statement from Calderwood could have put this whole thing to bed, but no saying nothing is the best thing you think?

I have no doubt that Houghton has spoken about the job once he got the manager's position. Calderwood would be daft to not at least listen as to what the plans are for Birmingham etc as you never know in footy, however, that is a completely different thing than touting yourself to actually move or doing a Mark McGhee and prostitute yourself to any Scottish club who was going.

Calderwood did not cover himself in glory in the interview on the BBC website by what I interpreted as being someone who was being too honest in response to the speculation but I think he genuinely would be happy to stay here although you never know the personal toll the distance from his family is having on him.

I have always thought that CC comes across as a principled guy and would at least be honest with the board as to whether he wants to stay or not. Dependent on what that answer is the board need to take the appropriate steps to either reject Birmingham or allow him to speak to them. Until he has had the chance to sit down with the board (assuming there has been a formal approach by Birmingham) and have that conversation putting out a statement would be pointless. Do we really need another Alex McLeish u-turn.

[Andy74]

McLeish '99-00 and Mowbray '04-05

Dunno, Mowbray had a lot of critics too whilst he was here. I think even BH didn't rate him much at the time. Some of the complaints were that he couldn't pick a decent centre half or a goalkeeper, unable to score in Inverness, couldn't beat St Mirren away, bottling cup semi finals, shipping goals to Hearts on a regular basis. Not liking Derek Riordan.

I think Franck Sauzee, even to the end, was the one we would have backed and followed anywhere. Something like 98% on here voted against his sacking.

Strange as he had the worst record!

[Speedway]

Away, Mowbray ahd a lot of critics too whilst he was here. I think even BH didn't rate him much at the time. Some of the complaints were that he couldn't pick a decent centre half or a goalkeeper, unable to score in Inverness, couldn't beat St Mirren away, bottling cup semi finals, shipping goals to Hearts on a regular basis. Not liking Derek Riordan.

I think Franck Sauzee, even to the end, was the one we would have backed and followed anywhere. Something like 98% on here voted against his sacking.

Strange as he had the worst record!

Shows how little we use fact on here.

You'll notice that I denote a specific season for Mowbray being backed.

[Captain Trips]

Are you claiming you have inside information that he HAS been on the phone to Houghton discussing terms and talking wages and terms etc, If so how do you know this ?

Have you been standing beside him while he's done it ?

Has he told you personally ?

Has anyone who's overheard Colin Calderwood talking to any Birmingham representative told you what was said ?

NO, Didnt think so, so as the guy quite rightly said, Everything else is just ill informed speculation.

And for what its worth, If I were Colin Calderwood and I saw the mindless pish and conjecture thats been posted on this thread, I'd walk away from Hibs as soon as possible.

There seems to be many people on here coming up with there own theories and rumours which within two pages are then taken as gospel and the story just grows and grows.

There seems to be far too few people on here, despite the solid and factual info we have that CC continues to take training on a daily basis, that are prepared to open their minds up to the possibilities that maybe, just maybe, CC is of the same mind as RP and the Hibs board which is If there's nothing to say, say nothing and spend your time getting on with what your supposed to be doing, building for next season.


Indeed not nice the stuff on here he may have read, although I would say that this below also doesnt make good reading for me, think its best he leaves.

I wonder why CC hasnt got a lot of support? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Scottish_Premier_League)

[GreenPJ]

Indeed not nice the stuff on here he may have read, although I would say that this below also doesnt make good reading for me, think its best he leaves.

I wonder why CC hasnt got a lot of support? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Scottish_Premier_League)

So on this basis we can expect a change of manager every 6 months or so if we are not top 4?

[Captain Trips]

So on this basis we can expect a change of manager every 6 months or so if we are not top 4?

I didnt say that I am showing you why IMO he hasnt got the support, if the opportuniyt has arisen for him to leave after not being at all impressive after 10 months I think on this occasion it should be taken. I might feel another manager with similar record is more capable of sorting it.

[Beefster]

I wonder why CC hasnt got a lot of support?

Because a lot of folk unrealistically expected him to perform miracles on his appointment and turned against him early when he couldn't.

Then they changed their minds and he was magic when we went unbeaten for 8 games.

Then they changed their minds and he was pish when we didn't win towards the end of the season.

[lucky]

CC will find out how tough things can get if Birmingham fail to get promoted. Also McLeish claim players were signed and staff sacked behind his back by the chairman. So I doubt hibs will regarded as a bad job

[Captain Trips]

Because a lot of folk unrealistically expected him to perform miracles on his appointment and turned against him early when he couldn't.

Then they changed their minds and he was magic when we went unbeaten for 8 games.

Then they changed their minds and he was pish when we didn't win towards the end of the season.

Luckily I wasnt one of them, I hoped to see some sort of difference not to suddenly start beating everyone, CC did nothing more than what Hughes and Mixu were doing before and maybe not as well. I could have been watching any of the last 3 managers for last 10 months. CC appeared to have no effect on the team that is my issue.

[Andy74]

Shows how little we use fact on here.

.

Although Sauzee still embodies everything I want to follow in a Hibs manager.

His first match away to Dunfermline was an electric occasion. A real hero and legend who had taken a step into the dug out. We'd have done anyhting for him and followed him anywhere.

Although we like to use it against people all the time most people in football know infinitely more than all of us about tactics and players and so for me it is vital that the guy you have leading Hibs is a popular and chrismatic figure who we can all identify with and who unites us all under one purpose.

Replacing all that with Bobby Williamson nearly finished me as a football fan, never mind a Hibs fan.

It's a pity we've been through all our recent heros.

I guess Strachan for me, if he got back to his Southampton type level of personality and humor, with his love for Hibs that he used to have, might come close to someone who rekindle a bit of a following for the manager and not just the club.

[Prawn Sandwich]

CC will find out how tough things can get if Birmingham fail to get promoted. Also McLeish claim players were signed and staff sacked behind his back by the chairman. So I doubt hibs will regarded as a bad job

I think the Birmingham Chairman/owner will have a little more on his mind than interfering with the team now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13976055.stm

[Andy74]

So on this basis we can expect a change of manager every 6 months or so if we are not top 4?

Or even if we are but not in good form.

[Iain G]

As I have said earlier if Brum want him just get rid. He will not be able to hold his head up if he does abandon his post at ER. He had a dismal season and he won't do his reputation much good either by courting interest from down south. He hasn't proved himself other than dismal form and lack of loyalty. Does he not have the gonads to hold his head up and terminate his contract with us, I am sure he made plenty of money out of football and can afford a couple of weeks without a pay cheque. But I get the feeling CC likes to have the constant income.

Petrie should give up the ghost with this and allow discussions, it's only going to go badly if we keep resisting, if he wants to go but is still here, it won't go well and the fans will be anxious. We can avoid all this now but just getting rid taking a small fee or none, we can't afford to enter another transition period but if we have to, it has to be now so we can get some more players in. The clubs preparation for 2011-12 has to come first and foremost, chasing Brum for comp is just fools gold. We would make a small profit but at what cost to our clubs new season. It's about time this board were a bit more decisive and dedicated to the footballing side of the club rather than the financial spreadsheets.

Which is just what Hibs are doing, by refusing another club to talk to our manager 3 weeks prior to the big kick off, letting him go now and getting a new man in at such short notice will screw our season good and proper.

[Cropley10]

Although Sauzee still embodies everything I want to follow in a Hibs manager.

His first match away to Dunfermline was an electric occasion. A real hero and legend who had taken a step into the dug out. We'd have done anyhting for him and followed him anywhere.

Although we like to use it against people all the time most people in football know infinitely more than all of us about tactics and players and so for me it is vital that the guy you have leading Hibs is a popular and chrismatic figure who we can all identify with and who unites us all under one purpose.

Replacing all that with Bobby Williamson nearly finished me as a football fan, never mind a Hibs fan.

It's a pity we've been through all our recent heros.

I guess Strachan for me, if he got back to his Southampton type level of personality and humor, with his love for Hibs that he used to have, might come close to someone who rekindle a bit of a following for the manager and not just the club.

Sadly what he says in post-match interviews annoys too many folk. I'd love WGS to be manager at ER, it wouldn't be dull.

[Iain G]

Dont tell me you think he wants to stay !

If he wants to lead your team to success this season then he needed to commit himself to you 100%

Even your players will be doubting he stays now let alone most of your fans

Your chairman will have replacements in the pipeline as well

It is all politics now

So are you just at the windup now, or just a low opinion of Mr Calderwood?? :confused:

Or are you that worried that McClaren will do an awful job down there (which, less face it, is on the cards!) that even getting a sacked ex-manager back to help him out is better than nothing...

[jonty]

Indeed not nice the stuff on here he may have read, although I would say that this below also doesnt make good reading for me, think its best he leaves.

I wonder why CC hasnt got a lot of support? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Scottish_Premier_League)


So on this basis we can expect a change of manager every 6 months or so if we are not top 4?
So when people claimed the board were forcing out managers, they really meant the messageboards :greengrin

Wouldnt be surprised if players/agents/staff read the stuff on here and took it to heart.

[Andy74]

Because a lot of folk unrealistically expected him to perform miracles on his appointment and turned against him early when he couldn't.

Then they changed their minds and he was magic when we went unbeaten for 8 games.

Then they changed their minds and he was pish when we didn't win towards the end of the season.

He still had a staggering amount of suppoprt considering Hughes was turned on when still getting results and then properly hounded after still having a longer period of good results than bad.

It's natural people have now turned a bit.

If your missus admitted that despite claiming to be happily married she would remain open to any approach from an ex and would have to consider it if the offer ever came up, you'd probably go off her a bit would you not?

[HibsMax]

JC actually walked - there was nothing mutual about it. :greengrin

If CC does move on in the next few days that will be five managers that have come and gone in the space of seven years.

That is not in any way normal, even by SPL standards. And it would be hard to argue that it had come about simply through a series of unfortunate events.

I'm not sure how. 2 left to go onto bigger and better things. Nothing odd about that. 2 weren't cutting the mustard and as you know, when a manager shows miserable form rather than recognising this and sticking with the guy, he has to be punted. Calderwood is a perfect example of this. People wanted him gone before Christmas, barely 2 months after he took over. 2 months in the job and some wanted him out. I think that's a little unreasonable.

I'm not arguing over the turnover, it's terrible, but there are different reasons for them leaving. If ALL of them left citing reasons related to difficulty working with the board, for example, that would be more concerning to me. Right now we don't have a pattern that fits all of the departures.

[Beefster]

He still had a staggering amount of suppoprt considering Hughes was turned on when still getting results and then properly hounded after still having a longer period of good results than bad.

It's natural people have now turned a bit.

If your missus admitted that despite claiming to be happily married she would remain open to any approach from an ex and would have to consider it if the offer ever came up, you'd probably go off her a bit would you not?

I think Calderwood should go, after last week's interview. I just think that we have a tendency to be fickle as hell/bi-polar depending on how things are going in a particular week.

And how dare you question Mrs B's undying loyalty to me!

[Cropley10]

I'm not sure how. 2 left to go onto bigger and better things. Nothing odd about that. 2 weren't cutting the mustard and as you know, when a manager shows miserable form rather than recognising this and sticking with the guy, he has to be punted. Calderwood is a perfect example of this. People wanted him gone before Christmas, barely 2 months after he took over. 2 months in the job and some wanted him out. I think that's a little unreasonable.

I'm not arguing over the turnover, it's terrible, but there are different reasons for them leaving. If ALL of them left citing reasons related to difficulty working with the board, for example, that would be more concerning to me. Right now we don't have a pattern that fits all of the departures.

Mowbray walked at the first opportunity, albeit a good one.

Collins walked. Not to a bigger or better job, won a cup but left 'just like that'...

Mixu was told to walk - poor ST sales apparently, cr@p signings definitely. Took a year out.

Yogi was "mutually consented". Still out of work.

Caldo - 9 months and he's looking to walk out - not to a bigger or better job, but for 'family reasons'...

It's a shocking turnover of managers, no question about that.

[Kaiser1962]

Hibs hold the ace, Calderwood is contracted for over another two years so he can't go anywhere without Hibs receiving compensation. Until Hibs agree compensation he will go nowhere.

If it was as simple as him resigning he would have been away days ago.

CC knows it, Hibs know it and Brum know it.

Is there actually any proof that he DOSENT want to be here?
Other than gossip or what he's NOT said that is? Surely if he wanted to go as badly as some suggest he would be gone? He is not a poor man and was apparently the cheap option so it might not be too bad to buy out his contact.

Dosent strike me as someone who is really really desperate not to be here that all.

[Cropley10]

Is there actually any proof that he DOSENT want to be here?
Other than gossip or what he's NOT said that is? Surely if he wanted to go as badly as some suggest he would be gone? He is not a poor man and was apparently the cheap option so it might not be too bad to buy out his contact.

Dosent strike me as someone who is really really desperate not to be here that all.

He wants to get away. No doubt about that I'm afraid. It might all come out in the wash, but he wants away and his preference as of last week was Brum...

[erin go bragh]

Although Sauzee still embodies everything I want to follow in a Hibs manager.

His first match away to Dunfermline was an electric occasion. A real hero and legend who had taken a step into the dug out. We'd have done anyhting for him and followed him anywhere.

Although we like to use it against people all the time most people in football know infinitely more than all of us about tactics and players and so for me it is vital that the guy you have leading Hibs is a popular and chrismatic figure who we can all identify with and who unites us all under one purpose.

Replacing all that with Bobby Williamson nearly finished me as a football fan, never mind a Hibs fan.

It's a pity we've been through all our recent heros.

I guess Strachan for me, if he got back to his Southampton type level of personality and humor, with his love for Hibs that he used to have, might come close to someone who rekindle a bit of a following for the manager and not just the club.
:top marksspot on , was also at the dunfermline game,place was buzzing , if only eh :sauzee::sauzee:
ggtth

[silverhibee]

Aye because thats worked, thats galvanised the club and we are all behind whats happening at the club. You must not read the papers, as if you did, you'd have read that Calderwood speaks to Hughton nearly every day.

If you think for one minute during those conversations they have not spoken about this job, would he like to come and what the money and job description would be, you must still believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause.
It would seem very strange to me that 2 people who talk to each other daily, would not know if one of them was going to approach the others employer without him knowing about it.

These 2 know what they are doing, to think differently imo is just burying your head in the sand. Both will know whats on offer, and both want to be together again. If that was not the case, he'd have told him on his many conversations he has with him almost daily and there would have been no approach from Birmingham.

The club has been in turmoil for nearly a fortnight, and one interview or statement from Calderwood could have put this whole thing to bed, but no saying nothing is the best thing you think?


I cant believe my eyes, first you tell me there is no tooth fairy, and now you drop the bombshell that there is snow Mr Santa Claus, i think you tell as many lies as these bad people in football. Bad man. :greengrin

[7Hero]

Although Sauzee still embodies everything I want to follow in a Hibs manager.

His first match away to Dunfermline was an electric occasion. A real hero and legend who had taken a step into the dug out. We'd have done anyhting for him and followed him anywhere.

Although we like to use it against people all the time most people in football know infinitely more than all of us about tactics and players and so for me it is vital that the guy you have leading Hibs is a popular and chrismatic figure who we can all identify with and who unites us all under one purpose.

Replacing all that with Bobby Williamson nearly finished me as a football fan, never mind a Hibs fan.

It's a pity we've been through all our recent heros.

I guess Strachan for me, if he got back to his Southampton type level of personality and humor, with his love for Hibs that he used to have, might come close to someone who rekindle a bit of a following for the manager and not just the club.

Talk about hitting it on the head, never a truer word spoken mate..

Exactly my sentiments at the time and now.

[RickyS]

Mowbray walked at the first opportunity, albeit a good one.

Collins walked. Not to a bigger or better job, won a cup but left 'just like that'...

Mixu was told to walk - poor ST sales apparently, cr@p signings definitely. Took a year out.

Yogi was "mutually consented". Still out of work.

Caldo - 9 months and he's looking to walk out - not to a bigger or better job, but for 'family reasons'...

It's a shocking turnover of managers, no question about that.

not sure thats right mate

[Andy74]

:top marksspot on , was also at the dunfermline game,place was buzzing , if only eh :sauzee::sauzee:
ggtth

We should have won 5-0 that day. Then we got a daft sending off and got beat.

What might have been if we'd got that win first attempt?

People forget that Sauzee was forced to play some of the young guys before Bobby had to do it, the injuries we had were terrible.

I almost never forgave Hibs for that sacking. Still can't look at the picture of Sauzee in that press conference afterwards.

Not sure there will ever be a Hibs manager now that I would have so much respect and support for.

[blackpoolhibs]

Is there actually any proof that he DOSENT want to be here?
Other than gossip or what he's NOT said that is? Surely if he wanted to go as badly as some suggest he would be gone? He is not a poor man and was apparently the cheap option so it might not be too bad to buy out his contact.

Dosent strike me as someone who is really really desperate not to be here that all.

He talks daily to the new manager of Birmingham. In those conversations he could have said he's happy at Hibs, and would like to stay here for the foreseable future. Yet we get Birmingham approaching Hibs, what does that tell you?

If Calderwood had made it clear he was staying at Hibs to Hughton on their many phone calls, do you think for one moment they would be talking to Hibs about him?

[Stevie Reid]

We should have won 5-0 that day. Then we got a daft sending off and got beat.

What might have been if we'd got that win first attempt?

People forget that Sauzee was forced to play some of the young guys before Bobby had to do it, the injuries we had were terrible.

I almost never forgave Hibs for that sacking. Still can't look at the picture of Sauzee in that press conference afterwards.

Not sure there will ever be a Hibs manager now that I would have so much respect and support for.

Trips to Dunfermline are always pretty good (I'm very glad they're back in the SPL), but that one was amazing - as you rightly point out, we were 100% behind Sauzee to a man, truly his green and white army.

The daftest thing about the sending off was that Scott Thomson completely went through Luna from the back, crunching him in a blatant attempt to cause injury - Luna flicked his boot at him when lying on the deck, which was petulant but so far away from Thomson that it was neither intended to nor going to cause injury. It was a gesture, and an understandable at that, given what happened. Thomson was booked for his injury attempt, Luna was sent off for a gesture - the wisdom of retaliation rules in full effect there.

Things way well have turned our differently had we won that game, and I was devastated when he was sacked - but I must admit that I was genuinely worried about where we were heading when it happened. It was however, an unbelievably sad end to an amazing Hibs career.

[persevere1875]

He talks daily to the new manager of Birmingham. In those conversations he could have said he's happy at Hibs, and would like to stay here for the foreseable future. Yet we get Birmingham approaching Hibs, what does that tell you?

If Calderwood had made it clear he was staying at Hibs to Hughton on their many phone calls, do you think for one moment they would be talking to Hibs about him?


If Calderwood had made it clear to Hughton that he wanted away and asked him to get the Birmingham board to make an approach, why are Hughton and Birmingham talking to Trollope the ex Bristol guy, what does that tell you ?

[blackpoolhibs]

If Calderwood had made it clear to Hughton that he wanted away and asked him to get the Birmingham board to make an approach, why are Hughton and Birmingham talking to Trollope the ex Bristol guy, what does that tell you ?

It tells me Petrie is playing hard ball, but will let him go when they up their offer.

Calderwood cant manage this team in the new season, he does not stand a chance especially when results go against us. He knows that, Petrie knows that we know that.

[ozwoody]

IF cc were to walk,whether it be to Birmingham or Forest,who would blame him? Colin has a family to look after,as a lot of us do,would you honestly,taking our passion for Hibs aside blame him?

We are all in a job where if we were offered two or three times the salary,would rip the arms off the prospective employer,so why should colin be any different?

The employer pays his wages,he then pays his mortgage,you honestly think in this current climate he would knock it back? in all honesty,would you? he has a family as we do,do you honestly think he can knock back a wage increase,if it were on offer?

His family live down south,nearer Birmingham or Notts Forest,so he maybe thinking to be nearer boy is good thing.

I would walk through walls to be a part of hibs,but if i have a family to consider,would i not weigh up other options?

[GreenPJ]

It tells me Petrie is playing hard ball, but will let him go when they up their offer.

Calderwood cant manage this team in the new season, he does not stand a chance especially when results go against us. He knows that, Petrie knows that we know that.

You had earlier stated that all this took was for Calderwood to come out and say he is not interested in a move anywhere and he wants to stay and complete unfinished business. If he does that now does he stand a chance?

[blackpoolhibs]

You had earlier stated that all this took was for Calderwood to come out and say he is not interested in a move anywhere and he wants to stay and complete unfinished business. If he does that now does he stand a chance?

At the beginning all he needed to do was state he was staying, its gone on too long now. He's a lame duck now, there's no chance he can stay, no chance. He does not stand a cat in hells chance if he stayed, he knows it and more importantly Petrie does too.

[HibsMax]

Except they hold all the aces... Caldo can resign... and walk...


As has been mentioned before i am pretty sure there would be a legal case to answer if that happened???


Legal case? He can resign. End of. Whether he was tapped up or not, is something that then might be brought up later on and may or may not include some compensation.

We have very little in the way of a bargaining position..

This whole thread is full of misinformation so I may as well add some of my own. I am sure I read here (somewhere) that even if he resigns we will be entitled to compensation. If that was not the case then there would be no point having the clause in the contract in the first place if a manager could just resign and sign for another club.

Lots of media speculation about interest from two clubs.
Neither signs him.
He resigns.
He joins Birmingham.

I don't know what options Hibs have if that happens but I think it would be clear to anyone that if the above sequence of events came to pass, something reeks and Hibs would be entitled to ask questions and compensation.

[Stevie Reid]

Trips to Dunfermline are always pretty good (I'm very glad they're back in the SPL), but that one was amazing - as you rightly point out, we were 100% behind Sauzee to a man, truly his green and white army.

The daftest thing about the sending off was that Scott Thomson completely went through Luna from the back, crunching him in a blatant attempt to cause injury - Luna flicked his boot at him when lying on the deck, which was petulant but so far away from Thomson that it was neither intended to nor going to cause injury. It was a gesture, and an understandable at that, given what happened. Thomson was booked for his injury attempt, Luna was sent off for a gesture - the wisdom of retaliation rules in full effect there.

Things way well have turned our differently had we won that game, and I was devastated when he was sacked - but I must admit that I was genuinely worried about where we were heading when it happened. It was however, an unbelievably sad end to an amazing Hibs career.

I should add that at the Roseburn before the derby at Tynie that Sauzee managed us for, there was a chant of Frank Sauzee's Green and White Army that must have gone on constantly for about 20 minutes. The place was jumping, best atmosphere I've ever experienced in the Roseburn.

[SHODAN]

For ****'s sake Hibs, our pre-season starts in TWO DAYS. DO SOMETHING. :brickwall:

[GreenPJ]

At the beginning all he needed to do was state he was staying, its gone on too long now. He's a lame duck now, there's no chance he can stay, no chance. He does not stand a cat in hells chance if he stayed, he knows it and more importantly Petrie does too.

How long has it been? 8 days since Houghton actually got the job and until they actually make an approach all you are doing is commenting on press speculation that we know by now that Hibs don't do.

[blackpoolhibs]

How long has it been? 8 days since Houghton actually got the job and until they actually make an approach all you are doing is commenting on press speculation that we know by now that Hibs don't do.

No i'm not speculating at all. calderwood talks to Houghton on a daily basis. They will have talked about him going to Birmingham, and what his position would entail. Then they approach Hibs, A because he will have accepted those terms and B because they have to get him released from his current contract.

Or you can believe that two men who speak daily, never mentioned the job, and Calderwood was as surprised as Petrie was when the phone call arrived?

[HibeeMassive]

For ****'s sake Hibs, our pre-season starts in TWO DAYS. DO SOMETHING. :brickwall:

Maybe they have done exactly that already - If Rodders wants to keep CC, there's no new manager search, no distruption to the preparation for the season ahead so he's told BCFC to 'do one' and life goes on ....

Everyone seems to be of the opinion that we are playing hard-ball for money. What if Rodders has told him he's going nowhere as he's under contract and thats the end of it.
Messageboards are rife with speculation just now, but it's speculation based on speculation, based on .... I think you see where I'm going :greengrin


I agree with your sentiment however - if Hibs are open to letting him go, then now is the time to do so.
If however there's no intention of letting him move on then there's a whole load of server space been filled with people getting anxious about nothing

[HibsMax]

Luckily I wasnt one of them, I hoped to see some sort of difference not to suddenly start beating everyone, CC did nothing more than what Hughes and Mixu were doing before and maybe not as well. I could have been watching any of the last 3 managers for last 10 months. CC appeared to have no effect on the team that is my issue.

CC's record last season was better than Yogi's. I know that lots of people don't like or trust statistics but at least I try and back up my arguments with something tangible. If we kept Yogi and he maintained the same pace, we would have ended up with 10 points less than we actually did - 1 point above bottom. not a terrible difference in terms of league position (11th vs 10th) but a significant difference in points (37 vs 27 or 27%).

Again we get the CC didn't do any better than Yogi arguments. I don't deny that, the positive improvement he made was marginal. But there was a large majority of people on here wanting the players punted. Argh, I'm just saying the same thing over and over again. People want to believe what they want to believe. My belief is that the players were largely responsible for what happened. CC didn't turn things around and get us in the top six but we have no evidence to suggest that anyone else could have made a more positive impact. None whatsoever. But why let the absence of evidence get in the way?

[MrSmith]

Although it may be difficult for him from some quarters, but I really hope he stays and he will receive my support!

All of this is p!sh, needs sorted quickly one way or another. However, slating the man on here isn't so good and I think we are in a win win situation no matter the outcome of events waiting to transpire.

[HibsMax]

Is there actually any proof that he DOSENT want to be here?
Other than gossip or what he's NOT said that is? Surely if he wanted to go as badly as some suggest he would be gone? He is not a poor man and was apparently the cheap option so it might not be too bad to buy out his contact.

Dosent strike me as someone who is really really desperate not to be here that all.

There is no proof, just a lot of people reading between the lines. That doesn't mean they are wrong but it's certainly not proof. I don't know whether he's going to stay or not, I can see both sides of the story. But rather than foaming at the mouth about it, I'm going to wait and see what actually happens. What does have me foaming at the mouth is the friggin' length of time this is taking.

[Kaiser1962]

There is no proof, just a lot of people reading between the lines. That doesn't mean they are wrong but it's certainly not proof. I don't know whether he's going to stay or not, I can see both sides of the story. But rather than foaming at the mouth about it, I'm going to wait and see what actually happens. What does have me foaming at the mouth is the friggin' length of time this is taking.

Absolutely. If he wants to go then go rather than all this faffing about.

[Benny Brazil]

Although it may be difficult for him from some quarters, but I really hope he stays and he will receive my support!

All of this is p!sh, needs sorted quickly one way or another. However, slating the man on here isn't so good and I think we are in a win win situation no matter the outcome of events waiting to transpire.

Can see where your coming from but not sure its a win win for us - if he goes and we appoint a new manager we are then weeks behind in our preparation for the new season - signing targets will change therefore any negotiations with players will stop/start, tactics will be different, training methods will be different etc.

We have had to suffer this for too long - its should have been sorted last weekend.

[GordonHFC]

I believe it will all be sorted by now but not announced until we confirm a replacement. Rod knows he will face WWW3 if CC goes and we have no ready made replacement to start straight away.

[HibsMax]

It tells me Petrie is playing hard ball, but will let him go when they up their offer.

Calderwood cant manage this team in the new season, he does not stand a chance especially when results go against us. He knows that, Petrie knows that we know that.

NO manager stands a chance when results go against us.

[blackpoolhibs]

There is no proof, just a lot of people reading between the lines. That doesn't mean they are wrong but it's certainly not proof. I don't know whether he's going to stay or not, I can see both sides of the story. But rather than foaming at the mouth about it, I'm going to wait and see what actually happens. What does have me foaming at the mouth is the friggin' length of time this is taking.

Why would Birmingham approach Hibs for our manager if he was not wanting to go?

They speak daily, and would have spoken off the record about if Calderwood was keen on the idea or not.

Calderwood wont have been surprised they were in contact with Petrie, if he was there daily talks must have been about the weather and the troubles abroad.

They have approached Hibs because Calderwood has given Hughton the green light, if he hadnt, surely there would have been no approach?

[HibeeMassive]

Why would Birmingham approach Hibs for our manager if he was not wanting to go?

They speak daily, and would have spoken off the record about if Calderwood was keen on the idea or not.

Calderwood wont have been surprised they were in contact with Petrie, if he was there daily talks must have been about the weather and the troubles abroad.

They have approached Hibs because Calderwood has given Hughton the green light, if he hadnt, surely there would have been no approach?


Just because CC has likely given Houghton the green light to make the approach, that doesn't mean we've have entertained that approach though.

"No thanks, he's staying put" End of conversation

And in typical Hibs fashion, they won't (generally) comment on messageboard speculation, therefore prep goes on for the season ahead and we're still sitting here wondering when he's leaving based on the rumour mill.

[HibsMax]

]No i'm not speculating at all.[/B] calderwood talks to Houghton on a daily basis. They will have talked about him going to Birmingham, and what his position would entail. Then they approach Hibs, A because he will have accepted those terms and B because they have to get him released from his current contract.

Or you can believe that two men who speak daily, never mentioned the job, and Calderwood was as surprised as Petrie was when the phone call arrived?

You're not speculating so you have a wire tap on his phone line? Oh wait, you're speculating......

[Kaiser1962]

Why would Birmingham approach Hibs for our manager if he was not wanting to go?

They speak daily, and would have spoken off the record about if Calderwood was keen on the idea or not.

Calderwood wont have been surprised they were in contact with Petrie, if he was there daily talks must have been about the weather and the troubles abroad.

They have approached Hibs because Calderwood has given Hughton the green light, if he hadnt, surely there would have been no approach?


Your probably right enough but its all assumptions. That said they would know what any release clause was, and Rod's reputation, so why approach if they're not prepared to pay it? CC has not bad mouthed us (yet) or behaved like a huffy child. I am not sure he is worth fighting to keep but the next guy is going to be of a similar calibre and have the same issues to contend with.

[HibsMax]

Can see where your coming from but not sure its a win win for us - if he goes and we appoint a new manager we are then weeks behind in our preparation for the new season - signing targets will change therefore any negotiations with players will stop/start, tactics will be different, training methods will be different etc.

We have had to suffer this for too long - its should have been sorted last weekend.

Ah, Benny. Didn't you know that any GOOD manager can come in and turn a team around? It's really that simple. Forget the challenges, if he's GOOD, things will happen. Keep the faith.

[HibsMax]

Why would Birmingham approach Hibs for our manager if he was not wanting to go?

They speak daily, and would have spoken off the record about if Calderwood was keen on the idea or not.

Calderwood wont have been surprised they were in contact with Petrie, if he was there daily talks must have been about the weather and the troubles abroad.

They have approached Hibs because Calderwood has given Hughton the green light, if he hadnt, surely there would have been no approach?

I don't deny there are unanswered questions but that does not count as proof. Unanswered questions could have different answers, not just the ones you are assuming.

I'm not being deliberately blind. It's like the old saying "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.". I'm not acting as CC's defence, I'm taking more of an impartial judge's stance and while I can make assumptions based on what little actual news is floating around, I don't actually know anything.

[Andy74]

Ah, Benny. Didn't you know that any GOOD manager can come in and turn a team around? It's really that simple. Forget the challenges, if he's GOOD, things will happen. Keep the faith.

That is why you sack a guy and get a new guy in isn't it? Otherwise the club would get the current guy to face the challenges.

[Captain Trips]

CC's record last season was better than Yogi's. I know that lots of people don't like or trust statistics but at least I try and back up my arguments with something tangible. If we kept Yogi and he maintained the same pace, we would have ended up with 10 points less than we actually did - 1 point above bottom. not a terrible difference in terms of league position (11th vs 10th) but a significant difference in points (37 vs 27 or 27%).

Again we get the CC didn't do any better than Yogi arguments. I don't deny that, the positive improvement he made was marginal. But there was a large majority of people on here wanting the players punted. Argh, I'm just saying the same thing over and over again. People want to believe what they want to believe. My belief is that the players were largely responsible for what happened. CC didn't turn things around and get us in the top six but we have no evidence to suggest that anyone else could have made a more positive impact. None whatsoever. But why let the absence of evidence get in the way?

I belive wethere it be slighty more or less % than Yogi it still was far from good enough there is no need for me checking evidence finishing 10th does that for me. You can say Yogi kept same pace if it suits your argument I can say he could have won 15 on the trot as you say we have no evidence none at all that anyone could have done better or worse.

Wether or not he was better or worse than Yogi %wise is not the issue for me, on a stand alone basis his own record imo is dreadful any difference in the performances was negligible.

[Dan Sarf]

From the Birmingham Mail...

Birmingham City hopeful over Calderwood signing - plus other backroom staff

Blues remain hopeful of making a breakthrough in their attempt to snare Colin Calderwood as Chris Hughton’s assistant.

They have made a formal approach to Hibernian for Calderwood, who was number two to Hughton when Newcastle United won the Championship.

A £300,000 compensation offer has been rejected by the Easter Road club, who appointed Calderwood as manager in October 2010.

Hughton earmarked this week for meetings with the coaching staff he inherited, amongst much other business.

His move for Calderwood was expected and should he make the switch to St Andrew’s, it wouldn’t necessarily spark a mass exodus of the back-up team across the city to Villa.

Andy Watson has told both Hughton and Peter Pannu that he wants to stay put and has no intention of renewing acquaintance with Alex McLeish.

That’s a surprising stance considering he has been McLeish’s sidekick in every managerial job. But it’s also significant in that he clearly has reservations about the wisdom of Eck’s decision to resign and move across the city.

No approach has been made by McLeish for Watson and, on taking charge at Villa Park, when asked about whether he would be bringing any Blues coaches with him, he indicated perhaps only one.

Watson and Peter Grant, who replaced Roy Aitken a year ago, were McLeish’s joint first team coaches at Blues.

Paul Barron, who was goalkeeper coach at Newcastle during Hughton’s time, has joined Steve McClaren at Nottingham Forest, which could have positive implications for Dave Watson’s future.

Reserve team coach Richard Beale’s position is understood to be secure.

And Pannu has steadfastly insisted that all the coaches at Wast Hills remain under contract and in gainful employment.

[Twa Cairpets]

I belive wethere it be slighty more or less % than Yogi it still was far from good enough there is no need for me checking evidence finishing 10th does that for me. You can say Yogi kept same pace if it suits your argument I can say he could have won 15 on the trot as you say we have no evidence none at all that anyone could have done better or worse.

Wether or not he was better or worse than Yogi %wise is not the issue for me, on a stand alone basis his own record imo is dreadful any difference in the performances was tangible.

I think you mean negligible, or you've just argued against your whole point...:greengrin

[Captain Trips]

I think you mean negligible, or you've just argued against your whole point...:greengrin

Indeed:greengrin

[GreenPJ]

No i'm not speculating at all. calderwood talks to Houghton on a daily basis. They will have talked about him going to Birmingham, and what his position would entail. Then they approach Hibs, A because he will have accepted those terms and B because they have to get him released from his current contract.

Or you can believe that two men who speak daily, never mentioned the job, and Calderwood was as surprised as Petrie was when the phone call arrived?

I was not suggesting you were speculating it was a general comment that its press speculation and Hibs in particular don't comment on it.

I am sure Hughton and Calderwood speak frequently there is obviously a friendship and respect there although as for daily I doubt it but you never know, however, I have no doubt once Hughton knew he had the job (on the back of the WBA experience am sure he was not counting his chickens) he approached CC informally as a friend and previous colleague and sounded him out about a move.

At that stage Calderwood has a decision to make about parking it straight away or at least suggesting he would be happy to listen to what they had to say but without any committment etc (this happens all the time in other business so am sure the same applies to football. It does not question the commitment you show to the current company you work for just that you keep options open). For Birmingham to actually have that more detailed discussion they would need to make it formal and am not sure yet if they have. The most I have seen is BBC understands.

I think Calderwood has found the job harder than he expected and am speculating that the distance from his family has provided a bigger issue to him than he anticipated, however, if he is still our manager when the season starts then I will support him and hope that he is at least given a chance as he (or whoever it may be) needs all the support they can get.

[HibsMax]

That is why you sack a guy and get a new guy in isn't it? Otherwise the club would get the current guy to face the challenges.

Yes, that is true. But how instantly should we expect the improvements? Should we expect those improvements to be made without making any other changes?

I'm not saying it can't happen but it was clear to all to see that problem did not start and stop with the manager, there were other issues too. We made some player changes in January. We started to make some changes in the Summer but those have dried up unless we believe CC's statement that he is waiting on July?

Were the fans not generally-speaking united in their support for punting so many players? Why would that be? Surely a new manager would get them playing well? Maybe not Yogi. Maybe not CC. Maybe not the next guy, or the next guy, or the next guy.....how far do we keep going with the same broken machine? I say we get one manager, stick with him, give him the support he needs in the transfer market and see what he can do. If things start off rough, give him more time. How much time? At least one full season and a couple of transfer windows. It's an unpopular plan to some but let's see what he can do with his own players - especially after we've punted so may guys that the fans were in support of punting. Why punt so may players AND the manager? By punting the players you're sending a clear message - you are not good enough. The next step would be to bring in players that are good enough and see if they can perform better.

[Speedway]

Neil Warnock is rumoured to have quit QPR today.. :hmmm:

[erin go bragh]

From the Birmingham Mail...

Birmingham City hopeful over Calderwood signing - plus other backroom staff

Blues remain hopeful of making a breakthrough in their attempt to snare Colin Calderwood as Chris Hughton’s assistant.

They have made a formal approach to Hibernian for Calderwood, who was number two to Hughton when Newcastle United won the Championship.

A £300,000 compensation offer has been rejected by the Easter Road club, who appointed Calderwood as manager in October 2010.

Hughton earmarked this week for meetings with the coaching staff he inherited, amongst much other business.

His move for Calderwood was expected and should he make the switch to St Andrew’s, it wouldn’t necessarily spark a mass exodus of the back-up team across the city to Villa.

Andy Watson has told both Hughton and Peter Pannu that he wants to stay put and has no intention of renewing acquaintance with Alex McLeish.

That’s a surprising stance considering he has been McLeish’s sidekick in every managerial job. But it’s also significant in that he clearly has reservations about the wisdom of Eck’s decision to resign and move across the city.

No approach has been made by McLeish for Watson and, on taking charge at Villa Park, when asked about whether he would be bringing any Blues coaches with him, he indicated perhaps only one.

Watson and Peter Grant, who replaced Roy Aitken a year ago, were McLeish’s joint first team coaches at Blues.

Paul Barron, who was goalkeeper coach at Newcastle during Hughton’s time, has joined Steve McClaren at Nottingham Forest, which could have positive implications for Dave Watson’s future.

Reserve team coach Richard Beale’s position is understood to be secure.

And Pannu has steadfastly insisted that all the coaches at Wast Hills remain under contract and in gainful employment.
£300.000 seems no bad tbh , nice wee signing on fee for a top manager, strachan :agree:
ggtth

[Andy74]

Yes, that is true. But how instantly should we expect the improvements? Should we expect those improvements to be made without making any other changes?

I'm not saying it can't happen but it was clear to all to see that problem did not start and stop with the manager, there were other issues too. We made some player changes in January. We started to make some changes in the Summer but those have dried up unless we believe CC's statement that he is waiting on July?

Were the fans not generally-speaking united in their support for punting so many players? Why would that be? Surely a new manager would get them playing well? Maybe not Yogi. Maybe not CC. Maybe not the next guy, or the next guy, or the next guy.....how far do we keep going with the same broken machine? I say we get one manager, stick with him, give him the support he needs in the transfer market and see what he can do. If things start off rough, give him more time. How much time? At least one full season and a couple of transfer windows. It's an unpopular plan to some but let's see what he can do with his own players - especially after we've punted so may guys that the fans were in support of punting. Why punt so may players AND the manager? By punting the players you're sending a clear message - you are not good enough. The next step would be to bring in players that are good enough and see if they can perform better.

I agree but having asked for the removal of a manager, and the board having done it, the assumption should be that it's the manager that was at fault and that a new one should be able to make the difference.

If it's players or other matters then you keep the manager and let him empty the players, work through the problems.

CCs team only performed when Graham Stack played, someone that was also missing for most of the poor form under Hughes, along with a few others.

The new players showed at the end of the season they were capable of worse than the ones they replaced.

[Dibben]

Neil Warnock is rumoured to have quit QPR today.. :hmmm:

I see QPR are playing down the rumours...

[HibsMax]

I belive wethere it be slighty more or less % than Yogi it still was far from good enough there is no need for me checking evidence finishing 10th does that for me. You can say Yogi kept same pace if it suits your argument I can say he could have won 15 on the trot as you say we have no evidence none at all that anyone could have done better or worse.

Wether or not he was better or worse than Yogi %wise is not the issue for me, on a stand alone basis his own record imo is dreadful any difference in the performances was negligible.


Firstly, I didn't say it was good enough for me either, I was simply making a point. There is nothing that anyone can tell me that will make me believe that finishing 10th is a good thing. There are only two positives. (1) We didn't finish 11th, and (2) we didn't finish 12th. And neither of those are particularly worthy of celebration.

The difference is, I didn't "just say it", and certainly not to prove my argument. Believe it or not, I don't go mining for data that backs up my point of view, I mine data to look for patterns, etc, THEN form a point of view. Subtle difference. I looked at the numbers and drew conclusions from that. Forecasts are not guaranteed but they are used everywhere. What numbers did you crunch to come up with Yogi going on a 15 game winning streak? Show me your calculations. I gave my calculations (in another thread). You don't have to believe the numbers but at least I didn't just pull them out of my erse.

[HibsMax]

I agree but having asked for the removal of a manager, and the board having done it, the assumption should be that it's the manager that was at fault and that a new one should be able to make the difference.

If it's players or other matters then you keep the manager and let him empty the players, work through the problems.

CCs team only performed when Graham Stack played, someone that was also missing for most of the poor form under Hughes, along with a few others.

The new players showed at the end of the season they were capable of worse than the ones they replaced.

I think the problem was with both the players and the manager.

I don't know what happened at the end of the season.....I mean, I don't know what caused it to happen. There are a few possibilities:
1. team was still pish
2. manager was still pish
3. heads went down
4. nothing to play for
5. weird experimentation
6. something else
7. all of the above

I am not sure that the tail end of last season is the best period to use as an accurate yardstick. I'm not denying it happened, it most certainly did, but I am sure a team performs differently at the start of the season when there is everything to play for than at the end of the season when there is nothing to play for. It would have been GREAT to finish a sour season with 5 wins, ending on a high note of sorts.

[Captain Trips]

Firstly, I didn't say it was gog enough for me either, I was simply making a point. There is nothing that anyone can tell me that will make me believe that finishing 10th is a good thing. There are only two positives. (1) We didn't finish 11th, and (2) we didn't finish 12th. And neither of those are particularly worthy of celebration.

The difference is, I didn't "just say it", and certainly not to prove my argument. Believe it or not, I don't go mining for data that backs up my point of view, I mine data to look for patterns, etc, THEN form a point of view. Subtle difference. I looked at the numbers and drew conclusions from that. Forecasts are not guaranteed but they are used everywhere. What numbers did you crunch to come up with Yogi going on a 15 game winning streak? Show me your calculations. I gave my calculations (in another thread). You don't have to believe the numbers but at least I didn't just pull them out of my erse.

But you cannot just say if he continued on the run he was on x y or z would have happened, it is as hypothetical as what I said, if we are talking facts, and before CC had that good spell what facts were there to suggest that would occur up until then? None.

The facts are CC record is below par to be a success at Hibs thus far.

[Beefster]

That is why you sack a guy and get a new guy in isn't it? Otherwise the club would get the current guy to face the challenges.

What if the incumbent has already had a couple of windows to 'face the challenge' and made a horse's arse of it? To allow the incumbent to 'face the challenges' assumes that there is some sort of evidence, however small, that he knows how to face them.

[HibsMax]

But you cannot just say if he continued on the run he was on x y or z would have happened, it is as hypothetical as what I said, if we are talking facts, and before CC had that good spell what facts were there to suggest that would occur up until then? None.

The facts are CC record is below par to be a success at Hibs thus far.

Yes I can. That doesn't mean it will come to pass but given the available information, it's a best guess. Yogi could have won every remaining game. He might have lost them all. We don't know what would have actually happen but that doesn't mean we don't try to take a good guess. So there is no confusion, I am not masquerading any of this as FACT! It was a prediction based on the most recent numbers. I took a projection based on Yogi's 7 games in charge. I then took a project based on CC's first 7 games in charge. The projection was very close to the actual number of points we accumulated. That still doesn't prove anything other than the projection for CC was accurate. We don't know what Yogi would have achieved because he left.

Just for fun, show me your projections of how well you think Yogi would have done. It won't prove anything one way or the other but nothing livens up a debate more that skewed statistics. ;)

And by the way, I agree with your last point. I've never disagreed with it. I think there is a misconception on here. Just because a person thinks that Hibs should stick with CC to see what he can do does not mean they thought he did a stellar job last season, it means they want to see what he can do. If we're never going to give a manager, any manager, any time, then you can forget about 2 managers a year, it will be more like a new manager every month.

[Captain Trips]

Yes I can. That doesn't mean it will come to pass but given the available information, it's a best guess. Yogi could have won every remaining game. He might have lost them all. We don't know what would have actually happen but that doesn't mean we don't try to take a good guess. So there is no confusion, I am not masquerading any of this as FACT! It was a prediction based on the most recent numbers. I took a projection based on Yogi's 7 games in charge. I then took a project based on CC's first 7 games in charge. The projection was very close to the actual number of points we accumulated. That still doesn't prove anything other than the projection for CC was accurate. We don't know what Yogi would have achieved because he left.

Just for fun, show me your projections of how well you think Yogi would have done. It won't prove anything one way or the other but nothing livens up a debate more that skewed statistics. ;)

And by the way, I agree with your last point. I've never disagreed with it. I think there is a misconception on here. Just because a person thinks that Hibs should stick with CC to see what he can do does not mean they thought he did a stellar job last season, it means they want to see what he can do. If we're never going to give a manager, any manager, any time, then you can forget about 2 managers a year, it will be more like a new manager every month.

Managers do need time, however this manager has IMO showen somebody somewhere some interest in leaving and for me I do not feel looking at his past results he has what it takes commitment wise to turn it.

[Albion Hibs]

Whilst you could probably pull snippets from his last interview where he may have said something along these lines the part you are missing is the other parts of the interview that implied something completely different.

There is also the total silence this week from CC where he could have quite easily came out with a statement or given an interview to reassure us that this is true.

Are you trully convinced he is 100% focused and committed to Hibs right now?

Your right I can pull snippets, more like paraphrasing comments or quotes that have actually come from him i.e. fact....or alternatively I could do what most are and just make it up based on what he "implied" to use your words. What is more accurate?

[Arch Stanton]

But you cannot just say if he continued on the run he was on x y or z would have happened, it is as hypothetical as what I said, if we are talking facts, and before CC had that good spell what facts were there to suggest that would occur up until then? None.

The facts are CC record is below par to be a success at Hibs thus far.

What are you on about? Surely putting together a decent squad for the coming season is a higher priority than the results at the end of a wash-out season?

Or don't you think so?

[Captain Trips]

What are you on about? Surely putting together a decent squad for the coming season is a higher priority than the results at the end of a wash-out season?

Or don't you think so?

Putting a squad together is important as is a capable manager, he was part of the reason it was a washout, that is what I am on about, I do not happen to think he is a very good manager. So no I dont think so.

[Deano Mourinho]

silly question but is he still here some of these posts to long for my simple head

[renato]

And were now going into season 2011 - 2012, does that not speak volumes Speedway ?

It sure does speak volumes - that the board have only appointed two competent managers in 10 years. We supporters are not perfect by any means but is it really a surprise that we never fully back our managers, given what we've had to endure?

[Kaiser1962]

It sure does speak volumes - that the board have only appointed two competent managers in 10 years. We supporters are not perfect by any means but is it really a surprise that we never fully back our managers, given what we've had to endure?

I would settle for us fully backing our team, never mind the manager.

[R'Albin]

silly question but is he still here some of these posts to long for my simple head

He is still here.

[KeithTheHibby]

If we are all wrong about CC and he is staying then how come we have seen no announcement regarding an assistant manager?

[Bostonhibby]

He is still here.

:greengrin Maybe prefers the stability of working with RP and his giant ledger showing where all the money comes from rather than the Brum version where the owners been nicked for money laundering?!

[renato]

I would settle for us fully backing our team, never mind the manager.

Yep, that would be a start. Just think the revolving managerial door doesn't do us any favours though. Get that appointment right and we have a chance of some good football, cup runs and a (more) positive support. The team would get backed for sure.

[HibsMax]

If we are all wrong about CC and he is staying then how come we have seen no announcement regarding an assistant manager?

There are at least two options:
1. he hasn't found one yet.
2. he's off.

Depending on which side of the fence you are on, you'll pick a different answer.

Hey, I can read between the lines as good as anyone else, and I can come up with the same conclusions, but I prefer to go with what we really know. I'm not ignoring what could happen, I really wouldn't be surprised if he left, but all the interim message board talk is really just giving us a chance to bump our gums about things we know little about. There are many posts stating that he is off to Forest, off to Brum, staying at Hibs......some even stating it should have happened by now. Just goes to show how in the know we really aren't.

[KeithTheHibby]

There are at least two options:
1. he hasn't found one yet.
2. he's off.

Depending on which side of the fence you are on, you'll pick a different answer.

Hey, I can read between the lines as good as anyone else, and I can come up with the same conclusions, but I prefer to go with what we really know. I'm not ignoring what could happen, I really wouldn't be surprised if he left, but all the interim message board talk is really just giving us a chance to bump our gums about things we know little about. There are many posts stating that he is off to Forest, off to Brum, staying at Hibs......some even stating it should have happened by now. Just goes to show how in the know we really aren't.


If the first option is correct how is it taking him so long? Adams left around a month ago, surely it doesn't take that amount of time! That in itself leans towards option 2 as being the more likely option.

[HibsMax]

If the first option is correct how is it taking him so long? Adams left around a month ago, surely it doesn't take that amount of time! That in itself leans towards option 2 as being the more likely option.

Not doubting you, I have no idea why it's taking so long either. There are lots of unanswered questions but it's not a great idea for us to fill in the answers ourselves because we're going to do that with bias to fit our own beliefs and agenda. An example:
Q. Why aren't we making any signings?
A1. Because CC said he's waiting on July for the English players.
A2. Because he's leaving and the board aren't going to let him sign more players.

Two plausible answers, but only one of them can be 100% right.

[GreenPJ]

If the first option is correct how is it taking him so long? Adams left around a month ago, surely it doesn't take that amount of time! That in itself leans towards option 2 as being the more likely option.

If CC's committment was that much in question and Adams wanted to be a No 1 why would he not have stayed thinking that the job was going to become available shortly?

What role does an assistant manager fulfill that 3 coaches can't?

[WhileTheChief..]

I think CC said in a recent interview that he was happy with the coaching staff and wasn't looking to replace Adams.

I also think that although we may not have all the facts it's pretty clear he will end up up at B'ham.

The board will be looking for his replacement now along with negotiating the compo for CC. Happy to wait a few days if it means we can get a decent man in using the CC money.

If it's true that we've knocked back £300k I think that also shows we pay a decent wage for a manager. So add on the compo to an already decent wage and we should be able to get a top man in:thumbsup:

[Beefster]

If the first option is correct how is it taking him so long? Adams left around a month ago, surely it doesn't take that amount of time! That in itself leans towards option 2 as being the more likely option.

How do you know that Calderwood hasn't been busy with more important stuff for next season? In the last month, he's been on holiday and in getting Hibs ready for next season, an assistant manager will be way down in his list of priorities.

I think option 1 is, by far, the more likely option.

[weonlywon6-2]

£300.000 seems no bad tbh , nice wee signing on fee for a top manager, strachan :agree:
ggtth

weve knocked back £300,000 for claderwood.we must be loaded

petrie is playing hard ball !

[matty_f]

How do you know that Calderwood hasn't been busy with more important stuff for next season? In the last month, he's been on holiday and in getting Hibs ready for next season, an assistant manager will be way down in his list of priorities.

I think option 1 is, by far, the more likely option.

You make a good point. All the evidence points to CC focussing on getting the team ready - he's been taking training at East Mains, eating with the players etc.

[Hibbyradge]

I wonder if CC tipped Adams the wink when Ross County came back for him.

[AlbertK86]

weve knocked back £300,000 for claderwood.we must be loaded

petrie is playing hard ball !

Seemingly holding out for the release clause of £500K

Anyway you should be packing mate. Time you're back your hols we'll have had another 900 pages on this thread and still no announcement from the board!!

Enjoy

[PapillonVert]

For God's sake, this is ridiculous!!

Memo to whoever is in charge: Your latest temp's contract is coming to an end -time to think of a new temp to replace him!

[Arch Stanton]

You make a good point. All the evidence points to CC focussing on getting the team ready - he's been taking training at East Mains, eating with the players etc.

Yea, but the players could be covering for him while he nicks off to Brum for an interview. Like they could have a cardboard cut-out to carry round the place as if he was still there - I seen it done in a film once. :agree:

[KeithTheHibby]

You make a good point. All the evidence points to CC focussing on getting the team ready - he's been taking training at East Mains, eating with the players etc.

Whilst not being fully committed to Hibs as per last Friday's press conference.

[KeithTheHibby]

How do you know that Calderwood hasn't been busy with more important stuff for next season? In the last month, he's been on holiday and in getting Hibs ready for next season, an assistant manager will be way down in his list of priorities.

I think option 1 is, by far, the more likely option.

He also refused to commit to Hibs last week during the press conference which tells me option 1 it is not..

[matty_f]

Whilst not being fully committed to Hibs as per last Friday's press conference.

Well, he's doing a good job of hiding it whilst working with the players.

*unless they are carrying about a cardboard cut-out, as suggested.

[Hibbyradge]

*unless they are carrying about a cardboard cut-out, as suggested.

That's a redikulus ideer, Marty.

[KeithTheHibby]

Well, he's doing a good job of hiding it whilst working with the players.

*unless they are carrying about a cardboard cut-out, as suggested.

What did you make of his performance at the press conference then? Did that sound like a man who wanted to be there or someone who was about to clear his desk?

I know where my money lies....

[Beefster]

He also refused to commit to Hibs last week during the press conference which tells me option 1 it is not..

To jump from that interview to concluding that the reason that he hasn't appointed an assistant is because he was always planning on leaving isn't logical.

[Hibbyradge]

I know where my money lies....

Do you have it on a map, marked by an X?

How exciting.

[bighairyfaeleith]

What did you make of his performance at the press conference then? Did that sound like a man who wanted to be there or someone who was about to clear his desk?

I know where my money lies....

I took it that he was being honest. Any manager that wouldn't want to keep progressing there career isn't good enough for hibs. Would you rather he done a ginger judas or on us or he was just honest?

[matty_f]

What did you make of his performance at the press conference then? Did that sound like a man who wanted to be there or someone who was about to clear his desk?

I know where my money lies....


I took it that he was being honest. Any manager that wouldn't want to keep progressing there career isn't good enough for hibs. Would you rather he done a ginger judas or on us or he was just honest?

As bhfl says, I thought CC was honest, I thought he was uncomfortable with having to answer the questions, I think that he acknowledged that he would find it hard to leave Hibs, as well as saying that he had to listen to the offers from elsewhere.

He said his job and his focus was on Hibs at that minute, which I think, remains the case.

[Peevemor]

I took it that he was being honest. Any manager that wouldn't want to keep progressing there career isn't good enough for hibs. Would you rather he done a ginger judas or on us or he was just honest?


As bhfl says, I thought CC was honest, I thought he was uncomfortable with having to answer the questions, I think that he acknowledged that he would find it hard to leave Hibs, as well as saying that he had to listen to the offers from elsewhere.

He said his job and his focus was on Hibs at that minute, which I think, remains the case.

:agree: Ditto.

[R'Albin]

As bhfl says, I thought CC was honest, I thought he was uncomfortable with having to answer the questions, I think that he acknowledged that he would find it hard to leave Hibs, as well as saying that he had to listen to the offers from elsewhere.

He said his job and his focus was on Hibs at that minute, which I think, remains the case.

:agree:

[Arch Stanton]

As bhfl says, I thought CC was honest, I thought he was uncomfortable with having to answer the questions, I think that he acknowledged that he would find it hard to leave Hibs, as well as saying that he had to listen to the offers from elsewhere.

He said his job and his focus was on Hibs at that minute, which I think, remains the case.

I guess that's why reporters think they are smart by repeatedly asking questions that no one in their right mind would give a straight answer to - every once in a blue moon some country idiot gives an honest answer and hey presto, an easy story.

Personally I don't have the stomach for such facile journalism but it seems, from a lot of the comments on this thread, that they have a ready audience for their wares.

Why is it though, that a lot of the same people get all indignant when the same reporters print stories that are not to their liking? You know the thing, the people who refer to the Daily ****** and their ilk.

[Disc O'Dave]

I took it that he was being honest. Any manager that wouldn't want to keep progressing there career isn't good enough for hibs. Would you rather he done a ginger judas or on us or he was just honest?

Perhaps we should change his name from GJP to G"TUWWWTHAWLIU"P?

or

Ginger Told Us What We Wanted To Hear And We Lapped It Up Prick?

Seems to be more in keeping with the general feeling on this mega thread :o)

[AlbertK86]

Just been on Birminghammail.net and they have a story today saying that Hibs have knocked back the £300K compensation.

From their fans' comments it would appear that they all want him there, rate him as a good coach and that Hibs are having a Hissy Fit !!

They are also now worried that it won't happen for a few days now - if at all - as Peter Pannu their 'Rod' type person has flown out to Hong Kong to meet their money launderer !!

Looks like this will not be resolved quickly.

I still want CC in charge at ER but if he is going to leave this is the last thing we need as we will need a replacement ASAP

[bighairyfaeleith]

Perhaps we should change his name from GJP to G"TUWWWTHAWLIU"P?

or

Ginger Told Us What We Wanted To Hear And We Lapped It Up Prick?

Seems to be more in keeping with the general feeling on this mega thread :o)

Not quite as catchy but certainly not far from the truth:agree:

[KeithTheHibby]

Do you have it on a map, marked by an X?

How exciting.

No.

[Onceinawhile]

No.
According to sky sports calderwood wants to go to Nottingham and we are close to agreeing a deal!

[KeithTheHibby]

According to sky sports calderwood wants to go to Nottingham and we are close to agreeing a deal!


Heard that, cheers although some people on here still believe that it's business as normal at ER.