Hibs Women

[hibsforeurope]

Does anyone know if the sky sports up final is being broadcast on Sunday? Nothing showing on my sky planner.

[Donegal Hibby]

Does anyone know if the sky sports up final is being broadcast on Sunday? Nothing showing on my sky planner.
Don't know if this is any help to you but it says it's on as does official Hibs site
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/36621/12759366/rangers-vs-hibernian-all-you-need-to-know-ahead-of-sundays-sky-sports-cup-final

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tough local derby that


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one of the toughest ties they could get, this ones at Meadowbank


i wondered why i couldn't see Glasgow city in that draw, it wasn't fully complete ;)


Glasgow City v Hamilton

Central Girls v Rossvale

Dryburgh Athletic v St Johnstone

Ayr United v Morton

[hibby rae]

SC 4th round

Hibs v Spartans :rolleyes:

Dundee u v Heartz

Boroughmuir v Edinburgh Caledonia

Aberdeen v Hutchison Vale

Montrose v Bonnyrigg Rose

Motherwell v Gartcairn

Falkirk v Celtic

Glasgow Woman v ICT

Queens Park v Partick Thistle

Rangers v Stirling University

Westdyke v Kilmarnock

Grampian Ladies v East Fife

Always a tough game. I wouldn't bet on more than a goal separating the sides at the final whistle.

[Brightside]

Always a tough game. I wouldn't bet on more than a goal separating the sides at the final whistle.

Spartans have gone backwards this season. I'll be surprised if Hibs don't beat them pretty easy this time.

[hibby rae]

Spartans have gone backwards this season. I'll be surprised if Hibs don't beat them pretty easy this time.

I would agree with you but I think they'll raise their game here. Plus I need to see more consistency from us, too many dropped points from games we should be winning.

[Brightside]

I would agree with you but I think they'll raise their game here. Plus I need to see more consistency from us, too many dropped points from games we should be winning.

Aye - Spartans will set up with the high press and try and force mistakes in the Hibs back line. I'd be surprised if Hibs setup like they have in the past.

[wallpaperman]

one of the toughest ties they could get, this ones at Meadowbank


i wondered why i couldn't see Glasgow city in that draw, it wasn't fully complete ;)


Glasgow City v Hamilton

Central Girls v Rossvale

Dryburgh Athletic v St Johnstone

Ayr United v Morton

Wonder if there is a chance they are considering playing the Spartans game at Easter Road? Would be a small crowd compared to the recent Hearts game, but would likely attract more than at Meadowbank.

[Brightside]

Wonder if there is a chance they are considering playing the Spartans game at Easter Road? Would be a small crowd compared to the recent Hearts game, but would likely attract more than at Meadowbank.

Anywhere but meadowbank. But I doubt they will get Easter rd in Jan.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I would agree with you but I think they'll raise their game here. Plus I need to see more consistency from us, too many dropped points from games we should be winning.

Partick Thistle one at meadowbank was a poor one, Hibs even blew the chance to rescue something from that game by not being able to score with a free shot at goal from 12 yards, they did however follow up with a great win over Glasgow City in the cup, they're going to have to show the same passion + against favourites rangers this weekend to have any chance


Wonder if there is a chance they are considering playing the Spartans game at Easter Road? Would be a small crowd compared to the recent Hearts game, but would likely attract more than at Meadowbank.


i think they maybe need to start getting used to playing on that surface at Meadowbank, that game at ER was probably just to drum up that little bit extra interest to the masses, i'm not sure what the capacity is at Meadowbank

[bigwheel]

If anyone can make it , please try to get along to Tynecastle to support Hibs Women in the Cup Final call Rangers on Sunday …kick off 1230. Will be a good game , and a good Hibs support could swing it in the team’s favour …and seeing Hibs winning a cup at that ground , will be pretty sweet

[Daniel 1875]

12:30 kick off today vs Rangers in the Sky Sports Cup final at Tynecastle.

£8/£1 for anyone that can make it along, and if you can’t it’s live on Sky Sports. Not sure if the women’s team have ever been broadcast on Sky Sports before so a pretty historic day regardless of the result later on.

[tbfhibs2]

Good luck today girls

[hibby rae]

Pretty shocking, perhaps not surprising, the BBC don't have it on the fixtures page on the website.

They have the Australian A League though 🙄🙄

[I'm_cabbaged]

Hibs are 16/1 on bet365; are they really that much better than us?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hibs are 16/1 on bet365; are they really that much better than us?

Definitely better although it was only 1-0 last time we played. Big price though.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Definitely better although it was only 1-0 last time we played. Big price though.

Worth a tenner, down to 14’s now though

[Renfrew_Hibby]

12:30 kick off today vs Rangers in the Sky Sports Cup final at Tynecastle.

£8/£1 for anyone that can make it along, and if you can’t it’s live on Sky Sports. Not sure if the women’s team have ever been broadcast on Sky Sports before so a pretty historic day regardless of the result later on.

It's on the skysports mix channel which is good cos I don't subscribe for main sports channels.

[Pretty Boy]

Decent crowd.

Rangers probably just about having the bigger numbers including a decent chunk of their ultras section making a lot of noise.

[EGL2000]

Worth a tenner, down to 14’s now though

Got them at 29/1 with hills, crazy price I thought.

[Donegal Hibby]

Team news
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/team-news-sky-sports-cup-final

[green day]

Rangers look like they have a good shape, we are all over the place last few minutes.

[Pretty Boy]

It's quite noticeable how much bigger Rangers look all over the park. A few of them are absolute units.

1-0 Rangers. Fantastic strike tbf.

[green day]

1-0 Rangers

Deserved, sadly

[davy67 +]

0-1 Lizzie Arnot Ex Hibs player scored for the lady Bears

[marinello59]

That was some strike. Hate to say it but they look a class above us so far. Long way to go though … c’mon Hibs.

[Pretty Boy]

Davison at the back for Rangers looks class. Reads the game well and is getting in the way of everything.

[Squealing pig]

Mon hibs

[BILLYHIBS]

Women v Girls

Four hibs players playing for them

Hibs sign the wrong Haaland

C’mon hibs keep it to one at half time we are still in this

[Pretty Boy]

We are doing well to still be in this.

When you look at the resources both teams have available to them then Rangers should be winning this by a considerable margin.

Can't fault the effort at all but Rangers just look more athletic and better coached all over the park.

[marinello59]

We are doing well to still be in this.

When you look at the resources both teams have available to them then Rangers should be winning this by a considerable margin.

Can't fault the effort at all but Rangers just look more athletic and better coached all over the park.

:agree:

[marinello59]

Another cracking goal. That may be it now.

[davy67 +]

2-0 , all over now I'd say

[HH81]

Been pretty poor to be honest from bits I have seen.

[Donegal Hibby]

Game over 😟

[Danderhall Hibs]

Been pretty poor to be honest from bits I have seen.

Miles off it. Fortunate to keep it to 2.

[Peanut Shaz]

Looked a bit out their depth to be honest. No real fluency to the play. Still onwards and upwards and hopefully get a chance to regroup and continue to improve.

[The Harp]

The girls did well getting to the final. Hard to compete with the rangers in the women's game considering their spending power.

[Lago]

So the women's game is going the same way as men's football in Scotland, 2 teams and then there are the rest.

[davy67 +]

This was always going to be a big ask. As soon as the two bum cheeks decided to take women's football seriously the rest were always going to struggle to compete, when you look at the players we have lost to other clubs getting to a final is an achievement in itself. Well done on that any hopefully they'll get another chance in the Scottish Cup

[The Hibee Harp]

One of the meekest cup final performances I have seen Hibs women put in. I didn’t think any of our girls could say they had a good game. We got our tactics and team selection wrong from the start. The regression in our side under Gibson is alarming and I am genuinely surprised he is still in charge. Even taking aside the gulf in class today - as others have said, Rangers are a cut above just now - we have been poor for a long while now. Our league position is a disgrace given our resources and players like Murray - I hate to say this - are finished at this level. Our recruitment has been very poor to say the least and I find myself becoming more frustrated with players like Adams - who never seems to have a good game when I see her - and McGregor - who flatters to deceive. This year is a write off and we are looking at another transitional summer with big changes needed on and off the park.

[The Captain....]

Never looked like getting a foot hold in the game. Rangers were quicker, stronger, and the obvious gulf in resources was evident.

Hibs extremely poor going forward and couldn't keep the ball. Coach seemed scared of a doing as we looked to be trying desperately to keep the score down. On reflection they probably did well to stay in it so long as there was an obvious gulf in ability of individual players all over the park.

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[Northernhibee]

That new stand is an absolute eyesore throughout.

[Pretty Boy]

It was always going to go this way. Glasgow City seem to have dealt with the emergence of Celtic and Rangers better than Hibs though.

We arguably took to long to start signing players to pro contracts. We had an exodus of players, Man Utd and Rangers being 2 of the destinations, and could do nothing to stop any of them going.

Rangers looked like a proper pro outfit, we looked like a team that is pro in name only. That's probably a fair reflection of where both sides are tbh. Rangers also looked better coached all over the park, they held their shape exceptionally well when Hibs had the ball and we lacked the quality to break them down. It was nothing fancy, two banks of 4 and good discipline. No one wants to see anyone lose their job but it's something Hibs will need to think about.

[keep the faith]

I said to Ben Kinsell at our Portugal friendly that womans games should be included in the mens season ticket. If you could pop along for free, more mens game fans would start being interested, young fans would come along and improve engagement long term.

Even commercially, a bigger crowd spending more at the game would be better than very small attendances that are seeing now at Meadowbank.

Its such a shame to see us going from being the pioneers of the womans game to old firm cannon fodder. Still time to save it hibs.

[cabbageandribs1875]

well done Sevco on buying their womens side their first SWPL cup














no, not bitter at all ;)

[Brightside]

Ultras singing sectarian songs. That’s the womens game ruined now also. Scotlands shame.

[green day]

Ultras singing sectarian songs. That’s the womens game ruined now also. Scotlands shame.

Yeah, you could hear it on the TV as well.

Lovely

[Pretty Boy]

Ultras singing sectarian songs. That’s the womens game ruined now also. Scotlands shame.

It was odd because early doors they were actually singing Rangers football songs and I was at the point of saying 'aye fair play'. Then the '**** the Pope and the Vatican' version of Follow Follow got an airing and it went downhill from there.

Shame because the vast majority of Rangers fans in attendance seemed to realise it was a family friendly atmosphere. Couple of guys in a shop having a laugh with my daughter before the game, fans mingling in the concourses no bother, couple of Rangers fans sitting along from us backing their team with no hassle etc etc but that group of fandans just couldn't help themselves.

[The Wireless]

The Girls gave everything however lacked the experience and quality to beat a full time outfit who had that bit extra. I do think most people within the club will know how to take this forward however it is all dependant on the financial resources available or new found investment which I find will not be an easy overnight solution as things stand.On a positive note having watched todays match although not a women’s football regular liked the look of the substitute Hinds, a bit surprised she did not start as looked capable when introduced.

[Stuart93]

Ultras singing sectarian songs. That’s the womens game ruined now also. Scotlands shame.

Was ruined as soon as Celtic and rangers started chucking money at their woman’s teams imo. Go the same way as the mens game

[Bridge hibs]

I thought it was a poor game, miss placed passes all over the shop from both teams, hibs midfield and forward line guilty of sloppy play.

For all the hype about rangers being financially well ahead of hibs I didnt think they were all that good, they were certainly far better organised and kept their shape, they looked like they had played together for a while whereas hibs looked shapeless and with a few playing like they had just met. Thats not a criticism of the Womens team by the way, overall they have done well in cups and in the league previously, I dont think its just the financial issues between the teams, I think its a lot to do with the management and leadership

With regards the ultras, to be honest, this lot will follow anything with the rangers branding, if that was a game of chess they would have been there promoting their bile

[Waxy]

Ultras singing sectarian songs. That’s the womens game ruined now also. Scotlands shame.

Time for an east of Scotland league.

[7heaven]

Can't believe Hibs only made 2 subs.
Half team were running on empty for last 30 minutes.

[hibby rae]

It was odd because early doors they were actually singing Rangers football songs and I was at the point of saying 'aye fair play'. Then the '**** the Pope and the Vatican' version of Follow Follow got an airing and it went downhill from there.

Shame because the vast majority of Rangers fans in attendance seemed to realise it was a family friendly atmosphere. Couple of guys in a shop having a laugh with my daughter before the game, fans mingling in the concourses no bother, couple of Rangers fans sitting along from us backing their team with no hassle etc etc but that group of fandans just couldn't help themselves.


Was the same with the Hearts fans at the last derby.

They've appeared this season and seem completely unable to read the room, and whilst everything is obviously welcome they are not the main audience.

It's the equivalent of turning up to a kid's party steaming and doing lines in the toilet

[hibby rae]

It was always going to go this way. Glasgow City seem to have dealt with the emergence of Celtic and Rangers better than Hibs though.

We arguably took to long to start signing players to pro contracts. We had an exodus of players, Man Utd and Rangers being 2 of the destinations, and could do nothing to stop any of them going.

Rangers looked like a proper pro outfit, we looked like a team that is pro in name only. That's probably a fair reflection of where both sides are tbh. Rangers also looked better coached all over the park, they held their shape exceptionally well when Hibs had the ball and we lacked the quality to break them down. It was nothing fancy, two banks of 4 and good discipline. No one wants to see anyone lose their job but it's something Hibs will need to think about.

James Anderson funds them so they're probably not short of cash.

Joelle Murray told a story how start of last season an ex-Hibs player wanted to come back but only Rangers were offering full time contracts. The only two who fit that are Lizzie Arnott and Emma Brownlie (now with Hearts would have defo taken her again).

Yesterday comes again to the fact Dean Gibson doesn't have the necessary skills to manage a team imo.

We've been playing a 3-5-2 consistently and he decided to switch it, ending up with us playing a long ball game which I don't think I've ever seen us do. I thought we started to play a lot better when he eventually made the change but a second (good) goal knocked the stuffing from us.

Similar to the derby we looked like a team without a plan, anything that would happen would have to come from the players creating it. It seems DG thinks he only needs to pick the team, pick the formation and then leaves the rest to the players once on the park.

We've finally been putting the necessary investment in the team, with a lot of players on FT contracts but it's being wasted due to not having the right person lead it.



On a slightly different note, Cav hasn't been getting much game time at the Huns it seems (I know she was injured at the start of the season). I'd be moving heaven and earth to get her back at the end of the season if that continues. Plus Emma Brownlie signed a one-year at Hearts, with a one-year option. Could she be nicked back?

[Brightside]

James Anderson funds them so they're probably not short of cash.

Joelle Murray told a story how start of last season an ex-Hibs player wanted to come back but only Rangers were offering full time contracts. The only two who fit that are Lizzie Arnott and Emma Brownlie (now with Hearts would have defo taken her again).

Yesterday comes again to the fact Dean Gibson doesn't have the necessary skills to manage a team imo.

We've been playing a 3-5-2 consistently and he decided to switch it, ending up with us playing a long ball game which I don't think I've ever seen us do. I thought we started to play a lot better when he eventually made the change but a second (good) goal knocked the stuffing from us.

Similar to the derby we looked like a team without a plan, anything that would happen would have to come from the players creating it. It seems DG thinks he only needs to pick the team, pick the formation and then leaves the rest to the players once on the park.

We've finally been putting the necessary investment in the team, with a lot of players on FT contracts but it's being wasted due to not having the right person lead it.



On a slightly different note, Cav hasn't been getting much game time at the Huns it seems (I know she was injured at the start of the season). I'd be moving heaven and earth to get her back at the end of the season if that continues. Plus Emma Brownlie signed a one-year at Hearts, with a one-year option. Could she be nicked back?

I'd be surprised if Brownlie left Hearts to come back to Hibs. I expect they will take up the option on her but if I remember rightly she's a qualified accountant so perhaps doesn't want full time?

For me Hibs need to be going out and getting the best young talent available in the country. Rangers had 3 on the bench that would be starters for Hibs - but they have all signed contracts. If we are bringing in foreign players they have to be starters. That's a lot of investment from Hibs not providing enough input to the team if they are on the bench most weeks.

[hibby rae]

I'd be surprised if Brownlie left Hearts to come back to Hibs. I expect they will take up the option on her but if I remember rightly she's a qualified accountant so perhaps doesn't want full time?

For me Hibs need to be going out and getting the best young talent available in the country. Rangers had 3 on the bench that would be starters for Hibs - but they have all signed contracts. If we are bringing in foreign players they have to be starters. That's a lot of investment from Hibs not providing enough input to the team if they are on the bench most weeks.

I'm not sure what the terms are for Brownlie, she is on a paid deal but might only be semi-pro, which we could certainly accommodate.

I'm not sure who the option lies with, her and/or the club. I'd be surprised if they didn't take up the option if it's them. However, if it's with her then it would be madness to not try. She's had two spells with us already and we are a bigger club than them.

Agree though, bringing in young players has been key in the past, players like Abi Harrison and Jamie-Lee Napier tore the league apart and are now doing very well for themselves down south.

[Just_Jimmy]

James Anderson funds them so they're probably not short of cash.

Joelle Murray told a story how start of last season an ex-Hibs player wanted to come back but only Rangers were offering full time contracts. The only two who fit that are Lizzie Arnott and Emma Brownlie (now with Hearts would have defo taken her again).

Yesterday comes again to the fact Dean Gibson doesn't have the necessary skills to manage a team imo.

We've been playing a 3-5-2 consistently and he decided to switch it, ending up with us playing a long ball game which I don't think I've ever seen us do. I thought we started to play a lot better when he eventually made the change but a second (good) goal knocked the stuffing from us.

Similar to the derby we looked like a team without a plan, anything that would happen would have to come from the players creating it. It seems DG thinks he only needs to pick the team, pick the formation and then leaves the rest to the players once on the park.

We've finally been putting the necessary investment in the team, with a lot of players on FT contracts but it's being wasted due to not having the right person lead it.



On a slightly different note, Cav hasn't been getting much game time at the Huns it seems (I know she was injured at the start of the season). I'd be moving heaven and earth to get her back at the end of the season if that continues. Plus Emma Brownlie signed a one-year at Hearts, with a one-year option. Could she be nicked back?It could have been kirsty Smith. She signed for West ham late on after utd didn't give her a new deal and I'd heard she was open to going back to Scotland. It doesn't mean it was her like. I just read it that an ex player was open to coming back but only rangers offered ft contracts, not that they signed necessarily.

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[Brightside]

Spoke to various people about the singing. Zero interest in even bringing it up. Most saying they didn't hear anything. SWPL about as much use as the SFA.

[hibby rae]

SWNT play of the year voting open.

Only half of them are ex-Hibs. I went for Abi Harrison

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scotland/ee-womens-player-of-the-year-2022/?fbclid=PAAabiZwhwCkl-bAPLXl7EH9dtsvUvbpyTBxM6dMY1JRV4Dy_qm8Ck3KASgww

[BSEJVT]

SWNT play of the year voting open.

Only half of them are ex-Hibs. I went for Abi Harrison

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scotland/ee-womens-player-of-the-year-2022/?fbclid=PAAabiZwhwCkl-bAPLXl7EH9dtsvUvbpyTBxM6dMY1JRV4Dy_qm8Ck3KASgww

I thought a great player for Hibs ladies was Lisa Robertson (used to wear no 6)

Think she is with Celtic now?

[Brightside]

I thought a great player for Hibs ladies was Lisa Robertson (used to wear no 6)

Think she is with Celtic now?

Lisa is another Hibs could have had back.

[hibby rae]

Smally's back training. Great news for the team!

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/rachael-boyle-rehab-update

[Donegal Hibby]

Two of our players have left by mutual consent!
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/freda-giannou-depart-hibs-women

[Northernhibee]

Two of our players have left by mutual consent!
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/freda-giannou-depart-hibs-women

Strange one. I really rate Freda.

[Donegal Hibby]

Strange one. I really rate Freda.
Yeah she looked a good player maybe just didn't settle in Scotland?

[hibby rae]

Odd that it's both the Cypriot players.

Freda was getting game time as well.

*Although I did want to see Thomas playing more

[hibby rae]

Freda only started the final 6 days ago as well!

[Donegal Hibby]

Freda only started the final 6 days ago as well!
When you think of the fact she played in the final only 6 days ago it makes it all the more surprising she's left . Real sudden case of events whatevers happened to make her leave .All the best to them though.

[hibby rae]

1-1 at the moment. Leah scored straight from the corner.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cezs1uKCALc

[bigwheel]

When you think of the fact she played in the final only 6 days ago it makes it all the more surprising she's left . Real sudden case of events whatevers happened to make her leave .All the best to them though.

Crystal Thomas was injured last week ..I suspect that’s maybe why she played

[hibby rae]

2-1 Adams chipped the keeper

Really like her, she might be a bigger Hibby than all of us!

The picture of the joy on her face scoring against Hearts at ER is one of my favourite Hibs moments

[cabbageandribs1875]

must win today 3-1 presently

FT 4-1

hearts winning 2-0 @ Partick thistle

Partick 1 Heartz 2


all postponed

Celtic v Motherwell
Spartans v Glasgow City
Hamilton v Glasgow Women
Rangers v Aberdeen

[hibby rae]

Have to say, Lucy Parry is some player.

She's got a big future ahead of her.

[Brightside]

Have to say, Lucy Parry is some player.

She's got a big future ahead of her.

Agreed. I don’t see her getting another loan in Scotland for next season

[hibby rae]

Agreed. I don’t see her getting another loan in Scotland for next season

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if she's put in their first team squad.

If we did manage to get her again it would be a massive coup.

[bigwheel]

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if she's put in their first team squad.

If we did manage to get her again it would be a massive coup.

I expect her to play for Liverpool ..she won’t be a signing for us ..it’s a perfect example of a quality loan for me …win/win for all parties

[hibby rae]

I expect her to play for Liverpool ..she won’t be a signing for us ..it’s a perfect example of a quality loan for me …win/win for all parties

Turns out she's the youngest player to turn out for the their first team. Was 16 at the time.

[bigwheel]

Turns out she's the youngest player to turn out for the their first team. Was 16 at the time.

And captains England U19s. I think they will view her as someone with a big future …

[Donegal Hibby]

Good news 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬.
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/siobhan-hunter-signs-new-deal

[hibby rae]

Good news 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬.
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/siobhan-hunter-signs-new-deal

https://www.facebook.com/hibernianwomen/photos/a.1043900445691129/5680072368740557/

Do we only have the one pen then?

[Donegal Hibby]

https://www.facebook.com/hibernianwomen/photos/a.1043900445691129/5680072368740557/

Do we only have the one pen then?
Looks like it right enough 😂

[hibby rae]

Does this mean it wasn't a full time pro deal Shiv signed in the summer then?

[hibby rae]

Glasgow City boss Eileen Gleeson has quit

[hibby rae]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmZEXD4KUdp/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Brooke Nunn in the door on an 18 month contract from London City Lionesses

[PHeffernan]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmZEXD4KUdp/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Brooke Nunn in the door on an 18 month contract from London City Lionesses

2 out, 1 in.

[PHeffernan]

Does this mean it wasn't a full time pro deal Shiv signed in the summer then?

Given Joelle Murray is 36 now do you see her continuing next season?
Could she take over the management of the team from Gibson?
Do you see this deal signalling Shiv Hunter taking over the captaincy from Joelle?

[hibby rae]

Given Joelle Murray is 36 now do you see her continuing next season?
Could she take over the management of the team from Gibson?
Do you see this deal signalling Shiv Hunter taking over the captaincy from Joelle?

Joelle has been fairly consistently playing this season so I don't think she'll be done just yet.

I could see her coaching at some point, but don't know where she is in terms of badges etc.

[Bayern Bru]

Joelle has been fairly consistently playing this season so I don't think she'll be done just yet.

I could see her coaching at some point, but don't know where she is in terms of badges etc.

Think she coaches one of the Scotland underage teams and is she not effectively first team coach at Hibs? so I'd imagine she's got at least the most basic of coaching badges

[hibby rae]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/support-hibs-women-in-the-capital-cup-at-tynecastle

Free tickets again

[hibby rae]

Another one in the door, Katie Lockwood. Just finished a season in Sweden's top flight. Think she's a mid.

Interestingly, she's just went on the books with the same agency as other recent signing Brooke Nunn (and also Micky and Leah).

[hibby rae]

East Fife at home in the cup 👍👍

Tie of the round is Partick vs Hearts

[Brightside]

East Fife at home in the cup 👍👍

Tie of the round is Partick vs Hearts

That should be high double figures. East Fife are very poor.

[hibby rae]

That should be high double figures. East Fife are very poor.

Yep, should be fun! I was sure we'd get Hearts as well!

Think the only better tie we could have hoped for was Ayr.

It might be slightly too early, 12 Feb, but might not be the worst shout to have Smally on the bench and give her minutes at the end to get game time into the legs. Not sure how long she's been back training though but I think she was aiming to be back proper for March.

[cabbageandribs1875]

katie Lockwood came on after 66 mins and got her first goal for Hibernian

good point for our neighbours v Rangers


FT results

Glasgow Women 0 Celtic 8
Hearts 0 Rangers 0
Partick Thistle 3 Spartans 0
Motherwell 0 Hibernian 2
Aberdeen 2 Hamilton 0
Dundee utd 1 Glasgow City 8

[hibby rae]

katie Lockwood came on after 66 mins and got her first goal for Hibernian

good point for our neighbours v Rangers


FT results

Glasgow Women 0 Celtic 8
Hearts 0 Rangers 0
Partick Thistle 3 Spartans 0
Motherwell 0 Hibernian 2
Aberdeen 2 Hamilton 0
Dundee utd 1 Glasgow City 8

Yeah bit of a pisser about the Jambos getting a point, but a good win away for us. Good to see Lockwood get one, could see her starting soon as looked great against Spartans

[cabbageandribs1875]

Yeah bit of a pisser about the Jambos getting a point, but a good win away for us. Good to see Lockwood get one, could see her starting soon as looked great against Spartans


followed a few tweets on twitter and the team had several other chances

elsewhere not too surprised seeing yet another Glasgow side closing the gap

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmiFxn1WIAMxNG_?format=png&name=4096x4096

Livingston have a healthy lead at the top of the championship

[Eyrie]

Adams has signed a new deal until 2025.

[GreenCastle]

Out of interest how are Hibs women funded ?

Noticed a few full time positions being advertised and they regularly get buses from East Mains to Meadowbank for training.

Is there anywhere where Hibs fans can see the cost to operate the womens set up ? Surely these figures must be available somewhere.

By the way this isn’t a post moaning about girls and womens football - just wondering if the outgoings are documented in Hibs accounts now they are part of the club.

[Brightside]

Out of interest how are Hibs women funded ?

Noticed a few full time positions being advertised and they regularly get buses from East Mains to Meadowbank for training.

Is there anywhere where Hibs fans can see the cost to operate the womens set up ? Surely these figures must be available somewhere.

By the way this isn’t a post moaning about girls and womens football - just wondering if the outgoings are documented in Hibs accounts now they are part of the club.

You can't find a way to find out how the Dev squad or Youths are financed either.

[hibby rae]

Would folk expect the new DoF to have the women's team within their remit as well?

Just thinking of the possibility of a new coach being brought in.

[Eyrie]

Would folk expect the new DoF to have the women's team within their remit as well?

Just thinking of the possibility of a new coach being brought in.

Hibs were tweeting about it being the third anniversary of Gibson being appointed, which would suggest no change.

[hibby rae]

Hibs were tweeting about it being the third anniversary of Gibson being appointed, which would suggest no change.

Hopefully that's like the dreaded board backing. Cause a change needs made in the summer

[cabbageandribs1875]

beat 2-1 by Spartans at Meadowbank, poor result


FT Glasgow City 6 Hamilton 0

presently Aberdeen 0 Hearts 0 27mins played

[Brightside]

Spartans are very poor right now. Massive result for them. Played them off the park. No press from Hibs.

[GreenCastle]

Not surprised but that’s a shocker to add to the other shockers in last 3 years.

Spartans are awful and we are professional but only beat them once in last 4.

Serious questions should be asked about the coaching and funding (mentioned this above) - surely many under performing.

[hibby rae]

Not surprised but that’s a shocker to add to the other shockers in last 3 years.

Spartans are awful and we are professional but only beat them once in last 4.

Serious questions should be asked about the coaching and funding (mentioned this above) - surely many under performing.

I don't think the players underperform per se. I think the issue is Gibson never seems to have any real strategy. It's like he thinks he only needs to pick the 11 and the formation and then the rest will take care of itself.

The funding is clearly there for the players being brought in.

But need a decent coach with more experience brought in.

[cabbageandribs1875]

celtic beating partick thistle 8-0 with 81 mins played so we at least stay in 5th, then away to Partick Thistle next week just two points ahead of them


Motherwell 0 Rangers 2 after an hour

FT 0-7


both old firm sides rattling in the goals the last 15 mins

[GreenCastle]

I don't think the players underperform per se. I think the issue is Gibson never seems to have any real strategy. It's like he thinks he only needs to pick the 11 and the formation and then the rest will take care of itself.

The funding is clearly there for the players being brought in.

But need a decent coach with more experience brought in.

Fair point. Heard quite a few people say this. Reckon Joelle Murray will probably take over soon rather than later.

Sadly the longer Hibs women wait the larger the gap with Hearts increases.

They missed the boat a few years back and seems they are doing the same now.

[hibby rae]

Fair point. Heard quite a few people say this. Reckon Joelle Murray will probably take over soon rather than later.

Sadly the longer Hibs women wait the larger the gap with Hearts increases.

They missed the boat a few years back and seems they are doing the same now.

That's the frustrating thing. I think overall we have the better players, but we're a rudderless ship. I rate their coach

[cabbageandribs1875]

Aberdeen 0 Hearts 1

our neighbours well on course for 4th now

[McD]

Hopefully that's like the dreaded board backing. Cause a change needs made in the summer


seemed like we were doing well under Grant Scott, why did he leave? Lack of ambition from the club/organisation?

[hibby rae]

That's a good win today.

I rats Brian Graham as a coach. Early in his career but I think he could be a good shout for us

[hibby rae]

Smally on for the first time in over a year?

Bang, first touch of the ball, 3-0 :greengrin:greengrin

[hibby rae]

Good win in the end, weird starting 11 though.

Horror of a challenge on Shiv so could be out for a bit there.

Huns next, but Hearts have Glasgow City. We now have better goal difference, so if we win at Tynie, and Smally being back is a massive boost, we'll go into 4th.

[gaz1875]

Smally on for the first time in over a year?

Bang, first touch of the ball, 3-0 :greengrin:greengrin

Thanks for the updates :flag:

[hibby rae]

Micky's signed on till 2025. Brilliant news for the club.

Was a worry we'd lose her in the summer. I'd expect the deal would be enough to see off most suitors for now.

[LewysGot2]

Hunter fit for the weekend 👍

[hibby rae]

Hunter fit for the weekend 👍

That's a surprise. Must have got away with a bit of bruising in the end

[Northernhibee]

Micky's signed on till 2025. Brilliant news for the club.

Was a worry we'd lose her in the summer. I'd expect the deal would be enough to see off most suitors for now.

Great news, rate her really highly.

[hibby rae]

Great news, rate her really highly.

She should have been given a Scotland call by now, she's earned it.

I'm not sure when Leah Eddie's deal runs to at the moment, but I'd be making her next order of business.

And the long shot of extending Parry's loan.

[Eyrie]

Micky's signed on till 2025. Brilliant news for the club.

Was a worry we'd lose her in the summer. I'd expect the deal would be enough to see off most suitors for now.

That's good news (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/michaela-mcalonie-pens-new-deal).



Hunter fit for the weekend ��

As is this. it looked nasty on the highlights.

[PHeffernan]

Good win in the end, weird starting 11 though.

Horror of a challenge on Shiv so could be out for a bit there.

Huns next, but Hearts have Glasgow City. We now have better goal difference, so if we win at Tynie, and Smally being back is a massive boost, we'll go into 4th.

For me Hearts with a 3 point lead have 4th in the bag.

Both teams have 5 games to play.
Hibs have a 3 goal better goal difference but Hearts will beat Glasgow Women by double that number.

Hibs are likely not to beat Celtic or Rangers.
Hearts are likely to lose to Glasgow City.
If Hearts win their other 3 games they can lose to Hibs and still be almost guaranteed to finish ahead of them.

Best case scenario is probably going into the last game equal on points but behind Hearts on goal difference.
Hibs play Celtic on the last day and Hearts play Spartans.
Can't see us bettering Hearts result.

Do Hearts Women have a bigger budget than Hibs Women?
They have certainly improved big time this season.

I'm surprised that Glasgow City are still holding of the OF clubs now that they have started chucking money at their teams.

[hibby rae]

For me Hearts with a 3 point lead have 4th in the bag.

Both teams have 5 games to play.
Hibs have a 3 goal better goal difference but Hearts will beat Glasgow Women by double that number.

Hibs are likely not to beat Celtic or Rangers.
Hearts are likely to lose to Glasgow City.
If Hearts win their other 3 games they can lose to Hibs and still be almost guaranteed to finish ahead of them.

Best case scenario is probably going into the last game equal on points but behind Hearts on goal difference.
Hibs play Celtic on the last day and Hearts play Spartans.
Can't see us bettering Hearts result.

Do Hearts Women have a bigger budget than Hibs Women?
They have certainly improved big time this season.

I'm surprised that Glasgow City are still holding of the OF clubs now that they have started chucking money at their teams.

Have you taken the post split fixtures into account?

Unlikely Hearts have a bigger budget, but they do have a better coach imo. Glasgow City get funding from James Anderson.

As an aside, Hearts have never beat Spartans.

[PHeffernan]

Have you taken the post split fixtures into account?

Unlikely Hearts have a bigger budget, but they do have a better coach imo. Glasgow City get funding from James Anderson.

As an aside, Hearts have never beat Spartans.

You obviously know what you are talking about and I don't :wink:.
I thought 22 wasn't many games right enough so a split makes perfect sense.

I agree with you Hearts have a better coach and I expect them to beat Spartans for the first time in their next meeting.

Re the Anderson funding of Glasgow City, i'm okay with that halting as it does a Rantic take over.
I see they beat Hearts 0-3 tonight.

What's your prediction for tomorrow nights game?

[hibby rae]

You obviously know what you are talking about and I don't :wink:.
I thought 22 wasn't many games right enough so a split makes perfect sense.

I agree with you Hearts have a better coach and I expect them to beat Spartans for the first time in their next meeting.

Re the Anderson funding of Glasgow City, i'm okay with that halting as it does a Rantic take over.
I see they beat Hearts 0-3 tonight.

What's your prediction for tomorrow nights game?

On recent showings maybe a narrow Rangers win. The last couple defeats have come through high quality finishes, the league being a direct FK (unlucky not to get a point in that game) and the cup final had an absolute worldy from Lizzie Arbot, although Gibson also had the wrong game plan that day.

Hopefully the weather conditions are ***** to make it a bit more of a lottery.

[PHeffernan]

On recent showings maybe a narrow Rangers win. The last couple defeats have come through high quality finishes, the league being a direct FK (unlucky not to get a point in that game) and the cup final had an absolute worldy from Lizzie Arbot, although Gibson also had the wrong game plan that day.

Hopefully the weather conditions are ***** to make it a bit more of a lottery.

A couple of questions for you.

Are Hibs likely to replace their manager for next season or is Dean Gibson improving?

Will this be the Joelle Murray's final season?
At 36 she has been at Hibs for 24 years next season would make it an even quarter century.
She is Mrs Hibs to Pat Stanton's Mr Hibs.


P.S. afraid the weather is fine for tonights match in Glasgow.

[hibby rae]

A couple of questions for you.

Are Hibs likely to replace their manager for next season or is Dean Gibson improving?

Will this be the Joelle Murray's final season?
At 36 she has been at Hibs for 24 years next season would make it an even quarter century.
She is Mrs Hibs to Pat Stanton's Mr Hibs.


P.S. afraid the weather is fine for tonights match in Glasgow.

First one, I think we'd have to finish below 4th for there to be a change, as I think that top 4 must have been the league target, but even then your guess is as good as mine. I think someone like Brian Graham could be worth a look though.

On Joelle, I wouldn't have thought so. She's still got what's needed to play at this level, might not be every game though. It's only fairly recently the seasons have become longer so the same toll probably hasn't been taken on her body, plus I think she's always been very professional in looking after herself even when the team were still amateurs.

[PHeffernan]

First one, I think we'd have to finish below 4th for there to be a change, as I think that top 4 must have been the league target, but even then your guess is as good as mine. I think someone like Brian Graham could be worth a look though.

On Joelle, I wouldn't have thought so. She's still got what's needed to play at this level, might not be every game though. It's only fairly recently the seasons have become longer so the same toll probably hasn't been taken on her body, plus I think she's always been very professional in looking after herself even when the team were still amateurs.

I did listen to an interview with Brian Graham not long after he started coaching the Partick Thisle womens team. He enjoyed the job and had a good manner about him which the players seemed to like. There was even a bit of banter with him about his performances for the mens team.
Hearts have obviously paid a chunk of money to bring in a high profile coach. Suspect Gibson is paid far less by Hibs and the teams are neck and neck.
Hearts have improved every year from a low level to now matching Hibs and it will be interesting to see if they can continue that progression next season or whether 4th is the ceiling (as Hibs Women have found) behind the Glasgow clubs.
On that subject, we have very quickly reached a point in the Scottish women's game where money is now what dictates the finishing spots of the top 5 clubs. Just like the mens game the Edinburgh teams are competing to be the best of the also rans.

[Pete70]

Tonight’s match v Rangers is live on BBC Alba from 7:30pm

[Oscar T Grouch]

Have you taken the post split fixtures into account?

Unlikely Hearts have a bigger budget, but they do have a better coach imo. Glasgow City get funding from James Anderson.

As an aside, Hearts have never beat Spartans.

Clip from wiki
At the December 2018 AGM, Hearts owner Ann Budge announced a "six-figure investment year on year" into Hearts Women, alongside an expansion to their academy in order to integrate the women's team further into the club. Hearts intended to "invest significantly in women and girls' football in 2019 and beyond".

I think that is a much bigger budget than Hibs is it not?

[hibby rae]

Clip from wiki
At the December 2018 AGM, Hearts owner Ann Budge announced a "six-figure investment year on year" into Hearts Women, alongside an expansion to their academy in order to integrate the women's team further into the club. Hearts intended to "invest significantly in women and girls' football in 2019 and beyond".

I think that is a much bigger budget than Hibs is it not?

Did that actually happen though?

But that could just be 100k for we know?

[hibby rae]

I did listen to an interview with Brian Graham not long after he started coaching the Partick Thisle womens team. He enjoyed the job and had a good manner about him which the players seemed to like. There was even a bit of banter with him about his performances for the mens team.
Hearts have obviously paid a chunk of money to bring in a high profile coach. Suspect Gibson is paid far less by Hibs and the teams are neck and neck.
Hearts have improved every year from a low level to now matching Hibs and it will be interesting to see if they can continue that progression next season or whether 4th is the ceiling (as Hibs Women have found) behind the Glasgow clubs.
On that subject, we have very quickly reached a point in the Scottish women's game where money is now what dictates the finishing spots of the top 5 clubs. Just like the mens game the Edinburgh teams are competing to be the best of the also rans.

Might be, might not. It's possible they have just promoted from within cause they were seeking a legacy route etc.

Hibs have brought players in we wouldn't have been able to previously. I think we have the better players than Hearts, but they have the better coach. With the investment that went in, we should at least be in 4th and been closer to the Weegie gap.

[PHeffernan]

Clip from wiki
At the December 2018 AGM, Hearts owner Ann Budge announced a "six-figure investment year on year" into Hearts Women, alongside an expansion to their academy in order to integrate the women's team further into the club. Hearts intended to "invest significantly in women and girls' football in 2019 and beyond".

I think that is a much bigger budget than Hibs is it not?

That was Ann Budge speaking in 2019 and as ever there were no specifics.
What we have seen is Hearts Women improving year on year from a very low starting position to a point in 2023 where they have caught up with Hibs Women.
The interesting part as I said earlier is whether having reached 4th do they accept that as their level or are they are willing to spend big to close the ever widening gap to the 3 Glasgow teams who are currently cemented at the top of the league.

[GreenCastle]

Supposedly Hearts are going full time with their women’s team next season.

Also they have completely landed on their feet with the men and womens side with Oriam and location. Claiming it’s the Hearts Academy etc.

Hearts are desperate to be above Hibs at all age groups girls and women - hopefully Hibs get their act together as they missed the boat several years ago and Hearts have the momentum right now.

Both clubs are pumping money into their women’s sections - you just have to look at the recent job postings for salary - not life changing but miles ahead of many other clubs in SWPL but not as much as City, Rangers and Celtic.

[PHeffernan]

Supposedly Hearts are going full time with their women’s team next season.

Also they have completely landed on their feet with the men and womens side with Oriam and location. Claiming it’s the Hearts Academy etc.

Hearts are desperate to be above Hibs at all age groups girls and women - hopefully Hibs get their act together as they missed the boat several years ago and Hearts have the momentum right now.

Both clubs are pumping money into their women’s sections - you just have to look at the recent job postings for salary - not life changing but miles ahead of many other clubs in SWPL but not as much as City, Rangers and Celtic.

Success is predominately to do with money.
The 3 top teams in the womans league spend the most money.
Hibs and Hearts the next most. Hearts the club have far more money than Hibs the club so are likely to spend more money on their womens team than Hibs moving forward. Aberdeen could potentially spend money on their womens team and become the 6th force.
One things for sure the standard of the players, the teams and the league are improving every season.

[green day]

Supposedly Hearts are going full time with their women’s team next season.

It sounds like a complete money pit without much payback to me...............

[PHeffernan]

It sounds like a complete money pit without much payback to me...............

Hearts won't really go full time as we recognise it in the mens game.
Their coach will be full time at the moment but will do a load of other jobs other than coaching the 1st team.
I would imagine Joelle Murray is Hibs only full timer and that doubles up with her work for the Community Foundation.
As you suggest putting large amounts of money into the womens game at the moment is a money pit given that paying supporter numbers are still negligable. I suspect the clubs make ends meet by hitting various Scottish Government, SFA, UEFA etc funding streams as well as getting donations from philanthropist James Anderson.
The womens game will continue to grow and the womens game in Scotland will continue to grow, especially at grass roots level.
However, the elephant in the room is will decent crowds ever be willing to pay to attend womens club games in Scotland.

[Eyrie]

Depends on how you define "decent crowds".

In a few years the women's game will see regular crowds on a par with the First and Second Divisions and bigger games such as the derby will attract larger crowds. November's match at Easter Road may have been free but I'd have had no problem paying to attend and I wouldn't be the only one.

[PHeffernan]

Depends on how you define "decent crowds".

In a few years the women's game will see regular crowds on a par with the First and Second Divisions and bigger games such as the derby will attract larger crowds. November's match at Easter Road may have been free but I'd have had no problem paying to attend and I wouldn't be the only one.

Average attendances in the 3rd tier of Scottish football this season are 1500.
Currently Hibs Womens games at Meadowbank mostly appear to be attended by friends and family of the players and coaches.
I hope you are right because 1500 paying supporters at Womens games in Scotland in a couple of years would be fantastic but I can't see it myself.

[Donegal Hibby]

Another awful pitch Hibs playing on . Who's ground is it ?

[hibby rae]

Another awful pitch Hibs playing on . Who's ground is it ?

It's at Broadwood

[hibby rae]

Average attendances in the 3rd tier of Scottish football this season are 1500.
Currently Hibs Womens games at Meadowbank mostly appear to be attended by friends and family of the players and coaches.
I hope you are right because 1500 paying supporters at Womens games in Scotland in a couple of years would be fantastic but I can't see it myself.

3rd tier is skewed this season by having Dunfy, Falkirk, and QoS though.

Hibs women get a decent amount at Meadowbank, numbers will only improve too

[Brightside]

Clip from wiki
At the December 2018 AGM, Hearts owner Ann Budge announced a "six-figure investment year on year" into Hearts Women, alongside an expansion to their academy in order to integrate the women's team further into the club. Hearts intended to "invest significantly in women and girls' football in 2019 and beyond".

I think that is a much bigger budget than Hibs is it not?
6 figure budget covers all the age groups and renting all the pitches etc. it’s nothing.

[Brightside]

Hearts won't really go full time as we recognise it in the mens game.
Their coach will be full time at the moment but will do a load of other jobs other than coaching the 1st team.
I would imagine Joelle Murray is Hibs only full timer and that doubles up with her work for the Community Foundation.
As you suggest putting large amounts of money into the womens game at the moment is a money pit given that paying supporter numbers are still negligable. I suspect the clubs make ends meet by hitting various Scottish Government, SFA, UEFA etc funding streams as well as getting donations from philanthropist James Anderson.
The womens game will continue to grow and the womens game in Scotland will continue to grow, especially at grass roots level.
However, the elephant in the room is will decent crowds ever be willing to pay to attend womens club games in Scotland.

That’s not correct. Re full time at Hibs. Are you thinking the foreign players are working in macdonalds at night?

[Northernhibee]

Some really poor refereeing decisions going in Rangers favour.

Not that anyone is surprised.

[Brightside]

Decent first half from Hibs. Couple of defensive slips letting rangers in. Setup is working against a team that’s clearly much better. Need to try and get them on the break.

[PHeffernan]

3rd tier is skewed this season by having Dunfy, Falkirk, and QoS though.

Hibs women get a decent amount at Meadowbank, numbers will only improve too

Certainly skewed by by Dunfermline and Falkirk.
Dunfermline have higher average attendances than Livingston and Ross County.

Ranger 4 nil up, game over.

[Northernhibee]

Awful second goal to concede.

[LewysGot2]

Another awful pitch Hibs playing on . Whose ground is it ?

It really is. Scottish football really sells itself short with acceptance of such surfaces…depressing stuff

[Since90+2]

Depends on how you define "decent crowds".

In a few years the women's game will see regular crowds on a par with the First and Second Divisions and bigger games such as the derby will attract larger crowds. November's match at Easter Road may have been free but I'd have had no problem paying to attend and I wouldn't be the only one.

Women's game won't get anywhere near average crowds of League 1. Where is the evidence to support that?

I'm guessing you've looked the average crowds of both leagues currently to come to that conclusion?

The average attendance in Scottish League 1 last season was 1,400.

What was it in the SWPL?

[Helensburghhibs]

It's a brutal watch and a reminder why I have no interest in woman's football. The quality is so poor.

[e2los]

It's a brutal watch and a reminder why I have no interest in woman's football. The quality is so poor.

I was going to argue against what you said then the 3rd Rangers goal went in.

I don't think it's too terrible to watch tbh, BBC Alba potato camera quality doesn't help...

Firk me 4-0 now whilst typing that.

[e2los]

Some really poor refereeing decisions going in Rangers favour.

Not that anyone is surprised.

Maybe I'm viewing through green tinted glasses, but seems like every time hibs win the ball, the ref blows to stop play regardless of advantage.

[Brightside]

Hibs CBs simply don’t have the pace against the top teams.

[Donegal Hibby]

It's at Broadwood
Thanks thought it might be Broadwood though wasn't sure .

[Brightside]

Women's game won't get anywhere near average crowds of League 1. Where is the evidence to support that?

I'm guessing you've looked the average crowds of both leagues currently to come to that conclusion?

The average attendance in Scottish League 1 last season was 1,400.

What was it in the SWPL?

It won’t get close in our lifetime.

[Donegal Hibby]

It really is. Scottish football really sells itself short with acceptance of such surfaces…depressing stuff
They look terrible and must be a nightmare to play on , embarrassing part is we have two in the top flight and they should be banned . Only making Scottish football look amateurish.

[Just_Jimmy]

It's a brutal watch and a reminder why I have no interest in woman's football. The quality is so poor.The English league is so far ahead of Scotland. They've thrown so much at it in recent years that's only got bigger since they won the Euros.

Scotland will be left behind before it's even begun.

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[PHeffernan]

That’s not correct. Re full time at Hibs. Are you thinking the foreign players are working in macdonalds at night?

I thought the club might get the foreign players jobs to bolster their meagre Hibs salaries. I played rugby abroad and the club teed me up with a job and gave me somewhere to stay.

Hibs I presume provide Hibs Women with training facilities at East Mains.
What about income? They have some sponsors but ticket sales are negligable and might just about cover the stadium rental.

Hibs Women have a first team squad of 23 players and a manager.
Even if they pay them each a paltry £5k a year that's £120k for the squad and the manager.
The budget will be a fraction of that hence I thought players would work a day job, train 2 or 3 nights a week and play at the weekend.

[Brightside]

I thought the club might get the foreign players jobs to bolster their meagre Hibs salaries. I played rugby abroad and the club teed me up with a job and gave me somewhere to stay.

Hibs I presume provide Hibs Women with training facilities at East Mains.
What about income? They have some sponsors but ticket sales are negligable and might just about cover the stadium rental.

Hibs Women have a first team squad of 23 players and a manager.
Even if they pay them each a paltry £5k a year that's £120k for the squad and the manager.
The budget will be a fraction of that hence I thought players would work a day job, train 2 or 3 nights a week and play at the weekend.

Full time players are on around 20k a year, a bunch of the younger ones are on hybrid contracts. The budget is much higher than you are thinking. How they cover that is something you’ll have to ask the club. It’s all separate to the men though.

[GreenCastle]

Full time players are on around 20k a year, a bunch of the younger ones are on hybrid contracts. The budget is much higher than you are thinking. How they cover that is something you’ll have to ask the club. It’s all separate to the men though.

They were advertising an assistant coach job for £25k recently and physio was slightly higher. I

So the head coach much be on more than 26k which is quite a crazy amount for the league and the results they have produced / not produced !

How many Hibs players are actually exclusively full time?

Will Hearts or Hibs be publishing the figures of the womens set ups in their accounts ? Would be interesting to see the costs.

The Hibs girls academy is though the foundation - I assume girls pay to play ?

[Brightside]

They were advertising an assistant coach job for £25k recently and physio was slightly higher. I

So the head coach much be on more than 26k which is quite a crazy amount for the league and the results they have produced / not produced !

How many Hibs players are actually exclusively full time?

Will Hearts or Hibs be publishing the figures of the womens set ups in their accounts ? Would be interesting to see the costs.

The Hibs girls academy is though the foundation - I assume girls pay to play ?

Re your last point Yes. Highest subs, and have to self fund strips etc. unless that’s changed in the last year. No idea about the overall P&L. The women’s team operates under its own company, no longer part of the foundations. All the youth team are.

It certainly won’t be making a profit. None of the women’s team in the UK will be making a profit.

[hibby rae]

They were advertising an assistant coach job for £25k recently and physio was slightly higher. I

So the head coach much be on more than 26k which is quite a crazy amount for the league and the results they have produced / not produced !

How many Hibs players are actually exclusively full time?

Will Hearts or Hibs be publishing the figures of the womens set ups in their accounts ? Would be interesting to see the costs.

The Hibs girls academy is though the foundation - I assume girls pay to play ?

Probably enough for a starting 11.

To answer to an earlier question on this thread about amount of time spent training, Smally talked about it on the Behind the Goals podcast, they train as many days as the men's team, including days with double sessions etc. but do a couple evenings in that schedule to accomodate P/T players.

[Lago]

It's a brutal watch and a reminder why I have no interest in woman's football. The quality is so poor.
I'm the same I'm afraid.

[GreenCastle]

Re your last point Yes. Highest subs, and have to self fund strips etc. unless that’s changed in the last year. No idea about the overall P&L. The women’s team operates under its own company, no longer part of the foundations. All the youth team are.

It certainly won’t be making a profit. None of the women’s team in the UK will be making a profit.

Hearts girls academy is free as far as I’m aware.

Not sure about Rangers / Celtic or Glasgow City?

Any idea what the Hibs girls academy pay ?

If the womens team operates under it’s own company does that mean the accounts etc will be able to be viewed ? I thought it was part of the main club?

[PHeffernan]

Probably enough for a starting 11.

To answer to an earlier question on this thread about amount of time spent training, Smally talked about it on the Behind the Goals podcast, they train as many days as the men's team, including days with double sessions etc. but do a couple evenings in that schedule to accomodate P/T players.

:aok: Just gave that a listen

[PHeffernan]

Full time players are on around 20k a year, a bunch of the younger ones are on hybrid contracts. The budget is much higher than you are thinking. How they cover that is something you’ll have to ask the club. It’s all separate to the men though.

11 players, manager, coach, physio at the rates you are speaking about means you are looking at £250k a season to run a team that plays in front of a paying public in the tens. That's bonkers.

[Chorley Hibee]

11 players, manager, coach, physio at the rates you are speaking about means you are looking at £250k a season to run a team that plays in front of a paying public in the tens. That's bonkers.

It doesn't add up for me either.

Having viewed the balance sheet at June 30th 2021 (available on Companies House website) those figures suggest something akin to a pub team rather than a side costing in the region of 250k a season.

It's unsustainable in it's current form and I would hope the men's team budget isn't affected by this.

[PHeffernan]

It doesn't add up for me either.

Having viewed the balance sheet at June 30th 2021 (available on Companies House website) those figures suggest something akin to a pub team rather than a side costing in the region of 250k a season.

It's unsustainable in it's current form and I would hope the men's team budget isn't affected by this.

The Hibs Womens model has changed up majorly this season so the sums involved will be vastly higher than the ones you saw on the balance sheet you viewed. They have their own set up, sponsors etc.

[Chorley Hibee]

The Hibs Womens model has changed up majorly this season so the sums involved will be vastly higher than the ones you saw on the balance sheet you viewed. They have their own set up, sponsors etc.

Perhaps, but enough to cover the figures mentioned here?

[PHeffernan]

Perhaps, but enough to cover the figures mentioned here?

No I meant Hibs Women has gone from the previous humble offering you saw on the balance sheet to a full time first eleven model from this season. I don't know how it's financed other than James Anderson chucking a bundle of cash at the two Hibs v Hearts games, a bit of TV money, and some sponsorship, hospitality and advertising revenues.

[Brightside]

I'm the same I'm afraid.

I’ve no idea why people feel they need to keep saying they don’t want to watch it. Just don’t.

[Not In The Know]

It doesn't add up for me either.

Having viewed the balance sheet at June 30th 2021 (available on Companies House website) those figures suggest something akin to a pub team rather than a side costing in the region of 250k a season.

It's unsustainable in its current form and I would hope the men's team budget isn't affected by this.

Grass roots girls football is growing at an incredible rate. Having a proper path way in place for them that leads to the senior level is a no brainier. Making sure the Hibs ladies senior team is as good as it can be and ready for them is just sensible and let’s hibs attract the best young players they can.

[Not In The Know]

No I meant Hibs Women has gone from the previous humble offering you saw on the balance sheet to a full time first eleven model from this season. I don't know how it's financed other than James Anderson chucking a bundle of cash at the two Hibs v Hearts games, a bit of TV money, and some sponsorship, hospitality and advertising revenues.


So basically financed the same way as most men’s clubs🤷🏼*♂️🤷🏼*♂️

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hearts girls academy is free as far as I’m aware.

Not sure about Rangers / Celtic or Glasgow City?

Any idea what the Hibs girls academy pay ?

If the womens team operates under it’s own company does that mean the accounts etc will be able to be viewed ? I thought it was part of the main club?

£40pm - although it is changing this year depending on age (younger or less and they don’t have refs and less training). Strips will be provided as part of this.

National Performance teams (the equivalent of the boys academy) will pay £42pm - boys pay £0.

[Brightside]

Following on from last nights game it’s astounding that Kathryn Hill and Kirsty Howat aren’t in the Scotland squad. Hill especially is much better than the current choices in defence.

[Brightside]

£40pm - although it is changing this year depending on age (younger or less and they don’t have refs and less training). Strips will be provided as part of this.

National Performance teams (the equivalent of the boys academy) will pay £42pm - boys pay £0.

42 a month. Wow. Well that should cover some of the first teams wages. 😂

[Danderhall Hibs]

42 a month. Wow. Well that should cover some of the first teams wages. 😂

Yeah - there’s noises from parents asking where the money goes. No answers though.

[hibby rae]

11 players, manager, coach, physio at the rates you are speaking about means you are looking at £250k a season to run a team that plays in front of a paying public in the tens. That's bonkers.

Oh they defo get more than that. The last game I was at last month was very well-attended for Meadowbank.

I would have guessed 300ish.

Now that was against Spartans but gives an idea.

[hibby rae]

With the men not playing this weekend, it's a good opportunity to nip along to see the women play.

Scottish Cup against East Fife on Sunday, so should be a few goals. Can buy advance tickets on fanbase as well.



I think it would be beneficial to the women's game in general if they reverted to a summer league from the Covid switch, but that might be tricky to do. However, I think it would allow an opportunity to increase attendances, and the women's league is more kid-friendly so mid-week games could also benefit from the lighter, warmer nights and no school in the morning.

[Brightside]

With the men not playing this weekend, it's a good opportunity to nip along to see the women play.

Scottish Cup against East Fife on Sunday, so should be a few goals. Can buy advance tickets on fanbase as well.



I think it would be beneficial to the women's game in general if they reverted to a summer league from the Covid switch, but that might be tricky to do. However, I think it would allow an opportunity to increase attendances, and the women's league is more kid-friendly so mid-week games could also benefit from the lighter, warmer nights and no school in the morning.

Totally agree and play more at Easter Rd when the pitch is ready for it. Cheap tickets - make money from the extras. Meadowbank is really awful for football - I've watched then twice there and its not a great day out.

[blackpoolhibs]

Totally agree and play more at Easter Rd when the pitch is ready for it. Cheap tickets - make money from the extras. Meadowbank is really awful for football - I've watched then twice there and its not a great day out.

No chance, until such times as we have a hybrid pitch, the less football played on that park the better.

And i'm far from convinced the money they pay the players is from money the womans team generate.

[PHeffernan]

So basically financed the same way as most men’s clubs🤷🏼*♂️🤷🏼*♂️

Of course but the important factor is how much finance.
Hibs mens team average paying attendance at home games is 17,000
Hibs womens team average paying attendance at home games is more like 170.
So 1% of the supporters isn't going to add up to much income so not financed the same way.

[Northernhibee]

Of course but the important factor is how much finance.
Hibs mens team average paying attendance at home games is 17,000
Hibs womens team average paying attendance at home games is more like 170.
So 1% of the supporters isn't going to add up to much income so not financed the same way.

So we've gone from the tens to one hundred and seventy.

Is it possible you don't know the numbers involved at all?

[GreenCastle]

£40pm - although it is changing this year depending on age (younger or less and they don’t have refs and less training). Strips will be provided as part of this.

National Performance teams (the equivalent of the boys academy) will pay £42pm - boys pay £0.

How often do the teams train a week?

Assume the costs are for pitches ?

I don’t think Hibs even pay their coaches in the girls academy? Maybe wrong here ?

The boys academy has been going for many years ? But I see the foundation have a boys academy too? Assume that’s a pre-academy ?

This is where I find it annoying Hearts use Oriam and Hibs should be using HTC but it’s so far away for many players it makes it hard to get to regularly.

[Danderhall Hibs]

How often do the teams train a week?

Assume the costs are for pitches ?

I don’t think Hibs even pay their coaches in the girls academy? Maybe wrong here ?

The boys academy has been going for many years ? But I see the foundation have a boys academy too? Assume that’s a pre-academy ?

This is where I find it annoying Hearts use Oriam and Hibs should be using HTC but it’s so far away for many players it makes it hard to get to regularly.

Most teams train twice - younger teams for 2 x 1h and the older 2 x 1.5h. HTC gets used now and again but they’re basically nomads bouncing around the city.

It all sits under the community, including boys teams - the difference is the performance teams for girls sit in the community (and pay), whereas the boys performance teams are part of the club and don’t.

[PHeffernan]

So we've gone from the tens to one hundred and seventy.

Is it possible you don't know the numbers involved at all?

Only Hibs Women administrators know their teams paying attendances. I suspect the numbers are very poor so they are kept private.
We are only told about attendances when tickets are free.
The club with the current worst average attendances in Scotland are Albion Rovers with 307. That would be a good first target for Hibs Women to exceed. Paying customers is the elephant in the room for Scottish womens football clubs.

The players, teams and budgets are improving every year but the gap between the have and have nots is also growing fast which is well illustrated by Glasgow Women who have lost all 18 games and have a goal difference of -87. That is not a good look for the league.
It looks like Montrose will be Glasgow Womens replacement next season. I suspect a team from a town of 10,000 people will struggle with the step up.

I did find the Scottish FA strategy for Girls and Women’s football, Accelerate Our Game, which outlines a desire to improve visibility by ‘increasing average crowds at domestic league and cup fixtures by 10% annually.’ This kpi is all very well but if it is achieved by giving more free tickets away and gate receipts are still negligible it is meaningless.

[Brightside]

Only Hibs Women administrators know their teams paying attendances. I suspect the numbers are very poor so they are kept private.
We are only told about attendances when tickets are free.
The club with the current worst average attendances in Scotland are Albion Rovers with 307. That would be a good first target for Hibs Women to exceed. Paying customers is the elephant in the room for Scottish womens football clubs.

The players, teams and budgets are improving every year but the gap between the have and have nots is also growing fast which is well illustrated by Glasgow Women who have lost all 18 games and have a goal difference of -87. That is not a good look for the league.
It looks like Montrose will be Glasgow Womens replacement next season. I suspect a team from a town of 10,000 people will struggle with the step up.

I did find the Scottish FA strategy for Girls and Women’s football, Accelerate Our Game, which outlines a desire to improve visibility by ‘increasing average crowds at domestic league and cup fixtures by 10% annually.’ This kpi is all very well but if it is achieved by giving more free tickets away and gate receipts are still negligible it is meaningless.


You need to stop saying you “suspect” when you clearly have no idea. Montrose would pump Glasgow Women.
You know the 19s gave away 1000s of tickets recently for the Dortmond game. It’s a strategy that works and is used in many sports all over the world. Womens football needs to tap into the family market and make its money from the side product, not from tickets. Playing at meadowbank won’t help the ambition.

[Pretty Boy]

How often do the teams train a week?

Assume the costs are for pitches ?

I don’t think Hibs even pay their coaches in the girls academy? Maybe wrong here ?

The boys academy has been going for many years ? But I see the foundation have a boys academy too? Assume that’s a pre-academy ?

This is where I find it annoying Hearts use Oriam and Hibs should be using HTC but it’s so far away for many players it makes it hard to get to regularly.

Girls Academy coaches are volunteers.

Some of the teams train at HTC but others are dotted about. The youngest age group are at the Jack Kane Centre, others are elsewhere. The girls have 2 teams at each age group, national and regional. The former is elite whilst the latter is more about participation.

I was chatting to Edward who heads up the Girls Academy a couple of weeks ago. He's a really good guy and so enthusiastic but they are up against it. As said above as it stands the girls teams are paying subs, paying for kits etc and don't really have a 'Hibs identity'. That makes it hard to be a really attractive proposition to the best young girls. There is definitely ambition and enthusiasm to take it in the right direction, what it needs is finance.......

[Pretty Boy]

Only Hibs Women administrators know their teams paying attendances. I suspect the numbers are very poor so they are kept private.
We are only told about attendances when tickets are free.
The club with the current worst average attendances in Scotland are Albion Rovers with 307. That would be a good first target for Hibs Women to exceed. Paying customers is the elephant in the room for Scottish womens football clubs.

The players, teams and budgets are improving every year but the gap between the have and have nots is also growing fast which is well illustrated by Glasgow Women who have lost all 18 games and have a goal difference of -87. That is not a good look for the league.
It looks like Montrose will be Glasgow Womens replacement next season. I suspect a team from a town of 10,000 people will struggle with the step up.

I did find the Scottish FA strategy for Girls and Women’s football, Accelerate Our Game, which outlines a desire to improve visibility by ‘increasing average crowds at domestic league and cup fixtures by 10% annually.’ This kpi is all very well but if it is achieved by giving more free tickets away and gate receipts are still negligible it is meaningless.


I don't think it's meaningless, it's about building a fanbase and an identity for years to come. Women's football isn't going away.

My daughter is 5 and has a ST at ER. She's usually pretty bored and the Nintendo Switch and chips keep her entertained. I took her to the women's game at ER last season v Hearts and she seemed much more engaged but I wasn't sure if I imagined it. This season she has been to the Capital Cup game and the final v Rangers and she is definitely more focussed and interested in the women's games. I asked if she wanted to go to the football on Tuesday just past. She asked if it was 'boys or girls', when I answered boys she said 'na'. Had I said girls I think she would have went.

2 of the 3 games I took her to above were free to enter but the women's team have earned a fan. Next season I'll be taking her far more often. That's 2 paying customers through the door thanks to a free ticket scheme. I'm not saying my daughter is typical of all girls but I think it's so important for young girls to see people like them playing the game and not just watching 'the boys'. She's playing football after school now and will be signing for a team next season. One free ticket has gone a long way.

[Eyrie]

The key part for me in what you say isn't building the fan base but the fact that your daughter is playing as everything else will stem from that. As playing numbers increase then the standard will increase and that in itself will drive up crowds, drawing more interest and finance into the women's game in a virtuous circle.

It's difficult at times to leave aside the tribal antipathies of the men's game but I'll admit to being impressed by the standard of Rangers' play against us on Thursday evening.

I'd agree though with PHeffernan's point about Glasgow Women being out of their depth. Matches need to be competitive and it doesn't do the top league any favours to routinely see seven or eight goal victories. I remember us beating Motherwell 9-0 in the Women's Cup Final (Arnott, now with Rangers, got five) and it was a dreadful advert for the game.

[marinello59]

The key part for me in what you say isn't building the fan base but the fact that your daughter is playing as everything else will stem from that. As playing numbers increase then the standard will increase and that in itself will drive up crowds, drawing more interest and finance into the women's game in a virtuous circle.

It's difficult at times to leave aside the tribal antipathies of the men's game but I'll admit to being impressed by the standard of Rangers' play against us on Thursday evening.

I'd agree though with PHeffernan's point about Glasgow Women being out of their depth. Matches need to be competitive and it doesn't do the top league any favours to routinely see seven or eight goal victories. I remember us beating Motherwell 9-0 in the Women's Cup Final (Arnott, now with Rangers, got five) and it was a dreadful advert for the game.

I couldn’t agree more, the key really is getting more girls playing and just as importantly enjoying the game. And the more we have playing in Hibs colours the better, it can bring whole families in to supporting the club who we may previously have missed.
The odd 9-0 score , whilst not pretty, doesn’t bother me too much. You are going to get that in any nascent league regardless of whether it’s women or men playing. As standards improve, and they already are at a rate of knots, , that type of result will become as rare as a 6-0 thumping of the Dons. :greengrin

[hibby rae]

I don't think it's meaningless, it's about building a fanbase and an identity for years to come. Women's football isn't going away.

My daughter is 5 and has a ST at ER. She's usually pretty bored and the Nintendo Switch and chips keep her entertained. I took her to the women's game at ER last season v Hearts and she seemed much more engaged but I wasn't sure if I imagined it. This season she has been to the Capital Cup game and the final v Rangers and she is definitely more focussed and interested in the women's games. I asked if she wanted to go to the football on Tuesday just past. She asked if it was 'boys or girls', when I answered boys she said 'na'. Had I said girls I think she would have went.

2 of the 3 games I took her to above were free to enter but the women's team have earned a fan. Next season I'll be taking her far more often. That's 2 paying customers through the door thanks to a free ticket scheme. I'm not saying my daughter is typical of all girls but I think it's so important for young girls to see people like them playing the game and not just watching 'the boys'. She's playing football after school now and will be signing for a team next season. One free ticket has gone a long way.

My pal's girl has a season ticket at ER. She plays as a CH for Hutchie and when it came to squad numbers she got 17, she asked for it because that's Joelle Murray's number. The women are the heroes to her.

The saying 'you have to see it to be it' is true.


The engagement from the women to their fans is brilliant.

[hibby rae]

The key part for me in what you say isn't building the fan base but the fact that your daughter is playing as everything else will stem from that. As playing numbers increase then the standard will increase and that in itself will drive up crowds, drawing more interest and finance into the women's game in a virtuous circle.

It's difficult at times to leave aside the tribal antipathies of the men's game but I'll admit to being impressed by the standard of Rangers' play against us on Thursday evening.

I'd agree though with PHeffernan's point about Glasgow Women being out of their depth. Matches need to be competitive and it doesn't do the top league any favours to routinely see seven or eight goal victories. I remember us beating Motherwell 9-0 in the Women's Cup Final (Arnott, now with Rangers, got five) and it was a dreadful advert for the game.

Although I very much enjoyed seeing us put 8 past the Huns. Sad we won't see that again.

[Brightside]

The key part for me in what you say isn't building the fan base but the fact that your daughter is playing as everything else will stem from that. As playing numbers increase then the standard will increase and that in itself will drive up crowds, drawing more interest and finance into the women's game in a virtuous circle.

It's difficult at times to leave aside the tribal antipathies of the men's game but I'll admit to being impressed by the standard of Rangers' play against us on Thursday evening.

I'd agree though with PHeffernan's point about Glasgow Women being out of their depth. Matches need to be competitive and it doesn't do the top league any favours to routinely see seven or eight goal victories. I remember us beating Motherwell 9-0 in the Women's Cup Final (Arnott, now with Rangers, got five) and it was a dreadful advert for the game.

You are always going to have teams that are out of their depth. Hibs are playing east fife in the cup. If it’s not double figures something has gone wrong.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Girls Academy coaches are volunteers.

Some of the teams train at HTC but others are dotted about. The youngest age group are at the Jack Kane Centre, others are elsewhere. The girls have 2 teams at each age group, national and regional. The former is elite whilst the latter is more about participation.

I was chatting to Edward who heads up the Girls Academy a couple of weeks ago. He's a really good guy and so enthusiastic but they are up against it. As said above as it stands the girls teams are paying subs, paying for kits etc and don't really have a 'Hibs identity'. That makes it hard to be a really attractive proposition to the best young girls. There is definitely ambition and enthusiasm to take it in the right direction, what it needs is finance.......

A lot of this is correct - not only the youngest teams are at JKC though and some age groups have more than 1 regional team.

Edward has been fairly impressive so far though.

[hibby rae]

You are always going to have teams that are out of their depth. Hibs are playing east fife in the cup. If it’s not double figures something has gone wrong.

Dean Gibson - 'Hold my pint'

[PHeffernan]

I don't think it's meaningless, it's about building a fanbase and an identity for years to come. Women's football isn't going away.

My daughter is 5 and has a ST at ER. She's usually pretty bored and the Nintendo Switch and chips keep her entertained. I took her to the women's game at ER last season v Hearts and she seemed much more engaged but I wasn't sure if I imagined it. This season she has been to the Capital Cup game and the final v Rangers and she is definitely more focussed and interested in the women's games. I asked if she wanted to go to the football on Tuesday just past. She asked if it was 'boys or girls', when I answered boys she said 'na'. Had I said girls I think she would have went.

2 of the 3 games I took her to above were free to enter but the women's team have earned a fan. Next season I'll be taking her far more often. That's 2 paying customers through the door thanks to a free ticket scheme. I'm not saying my daughter is typical of all girls but I think it's so important for young girls to see people like them playing the game and not just watching 'the boys'. She's playing football after school now and will be signing for a team next season. One free ticket has gone a long way.

Great post with a classic equality angle of girls seeing people like them playing professional football so they are now able to see football as being for girls.
Like you I attended the high attendance games against Hearts and the Cup Final but getting supporters like us along to league games at Meadowbank is the real issue.

[hibby rae]

Offering a women's season ticket with the men's ticket as an add-on would be a good step.

Remember the derby next Sunday afternoon is also a free ticket event, make sure the women have a good backing because Hearts will have good-sized crowd. Looks like it'll beat the last attendance

[PHeffernan]

Offering a women's season ticket with the men's ticket as an add-on would be a good step.

Remember the derby next Sunday afternoon is also a free ticket event, make sure the women have a good backing because Hearts will have good-sized crowd. Looks like it'll beat the last attendance

Ages ago I suggested adding £10 to the season ticket price with the season ticket entitling the holder to attend all home league games of Hibs men, woman, development and U18 boys teams. At the present season ticket level that would raise £113k a season and would drive up attendances and interest in the teams outwith the mens 1st team. Needless to say the moaners weren't happy at the suggestion.

[Eyrie]

You are always going to have teams that are out of their depth. Hibs are playing east fife in the cup. If it’s not double figures something has gone wrong.

I'm fine with that happening in the cups if the teams are in different leagues. East Fife aren't just in the league below us but are bottom of it.

[Brightside]

I'm fine with that happening in the cups if the teams are in different leagues. East Fife aren't just in the league below us but are bottom of it.

There are too many teams in the top Div tbh. Should be 8 maximum.

[Bridge hibs]

You are always going to have teams that are out of their depth. Hibs are playing east fife in the cup. If it’s not double figures something has gone wrong.So what is the difference between the two teams ? I have never seen East Fife but recently watched hibs v rangers and for the best part hibs were poor, particularly in defence

Are East Fife so bad you are expecting double figures from hibs ?

[He's here!]

I don't think it's meaningless, it's about building a fanbase and an identity for years to come. Women's football isn't going away.

My daughter is 5 and has a ST at ER. She's usually pretty bored and the Nintendo Switch and chips keep her entertained. I took her to the women's game at ER last season v Hearts and she seemed much more engaged but I wasn't sure if I imagined it. This season she has been to the Capital Cup game and the final v Rangers and she is definitely more focussed and interested in the women's games. I asked if she wanted to go to the football on Tuesday just past. She asked if it was 'boys or girls', when I answered boys she said 'na'. Had I said girls I think she would have went.

2 of the 3 games I took her to above were free to enter but the women's team have earned a fan. Next season I'll be taking her far more often. That's 2 paying customers through the door thanks to a free ticket scheme. I'm not saying my daughter is typical of all girls but I think it's so important for young girls to see people like them playing the game and not just watching 'the boys'. She's playing football after school now and will be signing for a team next season. One free ticket has gone a long way.

That's interesting. My youngest son and a big bunch of the kids from his primary school used to get free tickets for games from a teacher who played women's football. We went to quite a few including Hibs v Glasgow City in the Scottish Cup final and a Scotland Women's game at ER. No question the chance to be there with loads of his pals and the generally more family-friendly vibe made it more enjoyable than most of the Hibs men's games I took him to.

I think (as we can see how it's taken off in England) the women's game has a lot of potential. I'd like to see them play alternate weekends at ER to the men. Far more to be said for taking the family along to a home Hibs women's game than, say, taking a young child to Ibrox for a men's game.

[hibby rae]

So what is the difference between the two teams ? I have never seen East Fife but recently watched hibs v rangers and for the best part hibs were poor, particularly in defence

Are East Fife so bad you are expecting double figures from hibs ?

Last season we put 12 past Gartcairn, who are 2nd in the league, and 10 past Dundee United, who got promoted.

[Brightside]

So what is the difference between the two teams ? I have never seen East Fife but recently watched hibs v rangers and for the best part hibs were poor, particularly in defence

Are East Fife so bad you are expecting double figures from hibs ?

East fife are a recreational team. Once we leave the top league it’s a sharp drop in performance level.

[GreenCastle]

East fife are a recreational team. Once we leave the top league it’s a sharp drop in performance level.

The top league is turning like the men’s set up..all about money.

Rangers / Celtic and Glasgow City title challengers.

Hearts and Hibs pay more hence 4th and 5th.

The rest are all pretty average and obviously Glasgow Women struggling.

Aberdeen should be doing better. Plus the SWPL
Only has 1 relegation shop so basically closed shop (yeah teams below aren’t ready for move up yet ).

The top teams don’t need help it’s the other clubs that do or you will just get the exact same issues as men’s game - teams moaning their isn’t any competition.

Even at younger ages teams are hoovering up young talent then moaning there is no competition ! You would think the coaches at clubs like Hearts would actually want to do some coaching. Hearts are linked to Oriam like I said before and it’s where the SFA offices are so it’s all a little cozy with several Hearts players in national youth teams - with some national coaches with close links to Hearts set up - basically conflict of interest.

[PHeffernan]

The top league is turning like the men’s set up..all about money.

Rangers / Celtic and Glasgow City title challengers.

Hearts and Hibs pay more hence 4th and 5th.

The rest are all pretty average and obviously Glasgow Women struggling.

Aberdeen should be doing better. Plus the SWPL
Only has 1 relegation shop so basically closed shop (yeah teams below aren’t ready for move up yet ).

The top teams don’t need help it’s the other clubs that do or you will just get the exact same issues as men’s game - teams moaning their isn’t any competition.

Even at younger ages teams are hoovering up young talent then moaning there is no competition ! You would think the coaches at clubs like Hearts would actually want to do some coaching. Hearts are linked to Oriam like I said before and it’s where the SFA offices are so it’s all a little cozy with several Hearts players in national youth teams - with some national coaches with close links to Hearts set up - basically conflict of interest.


All teams have played 18 league games.
In those 18 games the top 4 teams have conceded a total of 30 goals.
Hibs in 5th have conceded 31 so on average Hibs are conceding 4 times as many goals as the top 4 teams.
The bottom team have conceded 93 goals and scored 6.

The top 3 teams are full time professionals and the 4th and 5th best teams a mixture of full time and part time professionals. The teams 6th to 11th are getting by, taking a very high percentage of their points from cuffing the bottom team and taking points off each other.

James Anderson pays a big chunk of money to Hibs and Hearts to make the games between the two free to attend which is great BUT they compete for the contrived Capital Cup thereby conveniently pretending that fellow capital SWPL team Spartans don't exist.
I know it's just marketing but there is something nasty and distasteful about pretending Spartans don't exist. It has a bit of the Cinderalla's sisters about it.

[Glory Lurker]

Mon the Spartans and the Hibs

[Brightside]

The top league is turning like the men’s set up..all about money.

Rangers / Celtic and Glasgow City title challengers.

Hearts and Hibs pay more hence 4th and 5th.

The rest are all pretty average and obviously Glasgow Women struggling.

Aberdeen should be doing better. Plus the SWPL
Only has 1 relegation shop so basically closed shop (yeah teams below aren’t ready for move up yet ).

The top teams don’t need help it’s the other clubs that do or you will just get the exact same issues as men’s game - teams moaning their isn’t any competition.

Even at younger ages teams are hoovering up young talent then moaning there is no competition ! You would think the coaches at clubs like Hearts would actually want to do some coaching. Hearts are linked to Oriam like I said before and it’s where the SFA offices are so it’s all a little cozy with several Hearts players in national youth teams - with some national coaches with close links to Hearts set up - basically conflict of interest.

Aberdeens investment is minimal. They get some good youth as they have a big catchment. Once you get past heart and hibs the investment is next to nothing and survives on sponsorships and donations.

On the hearts side I don’t see any indication of them getting more players into the national setup. Their 16s team is probably the best in the country but that mainly due to keeping the girls into their age group rather than pushing up a year like most do. The 3 Glasgow teams have the best 18s teams. But the overall performance level at 18s has gone backwards in the last few years. For me that’s due to their being far too many teams which dilutes the talent. There should be no more than 6 18s Performance teams in Scotland. That still requires 120 top players at that age group. The idea that we can have 16 teams at that level is madness.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Aberdeens investment is minimal. They get some good youth as they have a big catchment. Once you get past heart and hibs the investment is next to nothing and survives on sponsorships and donations.

On the hearts side I don’t see any indication of them getting more players into the national setup. Their 16s team is probably the best in the country but that mainly due to keeping the girls into their age group rather than pushing up a year like most do. The 3 Glasgow teams have the best 18s teams. But the overall performance level at 18s has gone backwards in the last few years. For me that’s due to their being far too many teams which dilutes the talent. There should be no more than 6 18s Performance teams in Scotland. That still requires 120 top players at that age group. The idea that we can have 16 teams at that level is madness.

Down the age groups is getting heavy with teams too - Hutchie and Motherwell get pumped most weeks and Spartans and Boroughmuir are also creating performance teams for the upcoming season with rumours Musselburgh are too. Far too many - there’s just not enough talent for that and why teams are taking heavy beatings regularly.

Hibs have been keeping players at their age group (14s) and they’re strolling to the league, however I’m not convinced on the development that gives the girls.

[GreenCastle]

Aberdeens investment is minimal. They get some good youth as they have a big catchment. Once you get past heart and hibs the investment is next to nothing and survives on sponsorships and donations.

On the hearts side I don’t see any indication of them getting more players into the national setup. Their 16s team is probably the best in the country but that mainly due to keeping the girls into their age group rather than pushing up a year like most do. The 3 Glasgow teams have the best 18s teams. But the overall performance level at 18s has gone backwards in the last few years. For me that’s due to their being far too many teams which dilutes the talent. There should be no more than 6 18s Performance teams in Scotland. That still requires 120 top players at that age group. The idea that we can have 16 teams at that level is madness.

A 6 team league ?? Does Scotland not need to improve the lower teams? Becoming elitist focusing on a few clubs will do nothing for long term development.

Hibs wouldn’t get into the top 6 in 18s or 16s just now. So where would they go?

Clubs like Hutchie Vale probably should be in the league but don’t think it’s right to write off some other clubs who seem to coach and develop players.

To many clubs seem to want to recruit players and have far too many players. Spartans are really bad for this at youth girls level - promise players game time and just ruin their development. Think parents are starting to see through this.

[hibby rae]

With the derby next week Smally being stretchered off is a massive pisser

[Brightside]

A 6 team league ?? Does Scotland not need to improve the lower teams? Becoming elitist focusing on a few clubs will do nothing for long term development.

Hibs wouldn’t get into the top 6 in 18s or 16s just now. So where would they go?

Clubs like Hutchie Vale probably should be in the league but don’t think it’s right to write off some other clubs who seem to coach and develop players.

To many clubs seem to want to recruit players and have far too many players. Spartans are really bad for this at youth girls level - promise players game time and just ruin their development. Think parents are starting to see through this.

There is a need to ignore the club structure at youth level in order to develop elite players. It doesn’t matter which club is the elite one at 18s as the best players will then move to a senior club that matches their ability. Clubs are just creating elite teams for the sake of it. (And to try and bring some cash in).

Plenty recent example of the pathway working at Spartans but again it’s probably less now as the 16s and 18s aren’t as good. Far too many players in all the teams just aren’t good enough for elite football. But greed and FOMO gets in the way of elite development.

[Brightside]

With the derby next week Smally being stretchered off is a massive pisser

0-0 after 20 mins is a shocker.

[hibby rae]

0-0 after 20 mins is a shocker.

Aye this should have been put to bed by now.

[GreenCastle]

There is a need to ignore the club structure at youth level in order to develop elite players. It doesn’t matter which club is the elite one at 18s as the best players will then move to a senior club that matches their ability. Clubs are just creating elite teams for the sake of it. (And to try and bring some cash in).

Plenty recent example of the pathway working at Spartans but again it’s probably less now as the 16s and 18s aren’t as good. Far too many players in all the teams just aren’t good enough for elite football. But greed and FOMO gets in the way of elite development.

Thing is though even the Rangers youth aren’t exactly elite - Scotland u17s couldn’t even beat Greece over 2 games during the week.

Putting Hibs u18s and u16s into regional just isn’t the way forward.

It’s embarrassing how Hibs u18 girls are bottom of the league. How can there be such a gap to the 1st team?!!

I’m not sure the Spartans pathway is good - all the 1st team players are usually players released from other clubs. They rarely develop a player who loves up and plays as it’s too big a jump.

[PHeffernan]

Losing Rachael Boyle could be very costly to our season.

A great effort by East Fife to hold out until the 45th minute.

[Brightside]

Thing is though even the Rangers youth aren’t exactly elite - Scotland u17s couldn’t even beat Greece over 2 games during the week.

Putting Hibs u18s and u16s into regional just isn’t the way forward.

It’s embarrassing how Hibs u18 girls are bottom of the league. How can there be such a gap to the 1st team?!!

I’m not sure the Spartans pathway is good - all the 1st team players are usually players released from other clubs. They rarely develop a player who loves up and plays as it’s too big a jump.

The good Rangers youth are already in the first team or released and playing for Spartans and others. Watson, McLeary, McLean are 3 of the best players in the country and are all under 18. They all moved up early as the 18s level is so poor. So yes all 18s should be regional/development until they are actually good enough to play at an elite level…..that is what is stunting their development right. They play against poor teams most weeks. Forget about a league. Get 6 regional teams playing each other. At any point that can go and sign for a senior team, but in theory they get 2 years of top class games.

3 or 4 18s at Spartans get moved up every year. Unfortunately they are deemed not good enough and move on to other teams lower down the leagues. But at least 6 of the current team are long term players from youth level. It’s the same issue at all the teams now. Not enough players coming though that are good enough for the top level.

[GreenCastle]

The good Rangers youth are already in the first team or released and playing for Spartans and others. Watson, McLeary, McLean are 3 of the best players in the country and are all under 18. They all moved up early as the 18s level is so poor. So yes all 18s should be regional/development until they are actually good enough to play at an elite level…..that is what is stunting their development right. They play against poor teams most weeks. Forget about a league. Get 6 regional teams playing each other. At any point that can go and sign for a senior team, but in theory they get 2 years of top class games.

3 or 4 18s at Spartans get moved up every year. Unfortunately they are deemed not good enough and move on to other teams lower down the leagues. But at least 6 of the current team are long term players from youth level. It’s the same issue at all the teams now. Not enough players coming though that are good enough for the top level.

I just looked on Twitter at the last Spartans line up - which are the youth players you talk about ? Lots of Spartans players are ex Hibs!

The 3 Rangers players you mention are decent but surely Rangers u18s should be better ? My point is these top clubs are improving 1st team but not doing much for youth development / coaching and improving players and that includes Hibs. Hearts supposedly beat Hibs u18 today - 17-0 ?! Surely not ?

[Danderhall Hibs]

I just looked on Twitter at the last Spartans line up - which are the youth players you talk about ? Lots of Spartans players are ex Hibs!

The 3 Rangers players you mention are decent but surely Rangers u18s should be better ? My point is these top clubs are improving 1st team but not doing much for youth development / coaching and improving players and that includes Hibs. Hearts supposedly beat Hibs u18 today - 17-0 ?! Surely not ?

Recorded as 9-0 on twitter?

[Brightside]

I just looked on Twitter at the last Spartans line up - which are the youth players you talk about ? Lots of Spartans players are ex Hibs!

The 3 Rangers players you mention are decent but surely Rangers u18s should be better ? My point is these top clubs are improving 1st team but not doing much for youth development / coaching and improving players and that includes Hibs. Hearts supposedly beat Hibs u18 today - 17-0 ?! Surely not ?

Sounds like we are in agreement tbh. Why do Hibs even have a group in that league as they simply don’t have the players at the age group. There aren’t enough players in Scotland to have so many teams. But every team is desperate to have a “Performance” squad. It need to be stopped or you just end up with loads of bang average team and nobody improving.

[blackpoolhibs]

I just looked on Twitter at the last Spartans line up - which are the youth players you talk about ? Lots of Spartans players are ex Hibs!

The 3 Rangers players you mention are decent but surely Rangers u18s should be better ? My point is these top clubs are improving 1st team but not doing much for youth development / coaching and improving players and that includes Hibs. Hearts supposedly beat Hibs u18 today - 17-0 ?! Surely not ?

FFS :faf: What is the point?

[GreenCastle]

Recorded as 9-0 on twitter?

They put 9-0 when the score is over 9-0 not to embarrass the club.

Check Hutchie Vale results often 9-0 but many have been about 20-0.

[GreenCastle]

Sounds like we are in agreement tbh. Why do Hibs even have a group in that league as they simply don’t have the players at the age group. There aren’t enough players in Scotland to have so many teams. But every team is desperate to have a “Performance” squad. It need to be stopped or you just end up with loads of bang average team and nobody improving.

I do agree - some teams like Hutchy Vale would get beat off regional teams.

I think ambitious clubs should be rewarded or some sort of criteria put in place to improve standards - this may already be the case ?

Like the men’s game - too many clubs - not enough solid clubs. Womens game just seems to be about increasing numbers but really should be about building solid foundations at clubs.

[Brightside]

I do agree - some teams like Hutchy Vale would get beat off regional teams.

I think ambitious clubs should be rewarded or some sort of criteria put in place to improve standards - this may already be the case ?

Like the men’s game - too many clubs - not enough solid clubs. Womens game just seems to be about increasing numbers but really should be about building solid foundations at clubs.

Performance teams are supposed to have a B level coach. Which is madness tbh as it doesn’t change the fact that there aren’t enough players to go round.

[wallpaperman]

My understanding is that the Hibs under 18 NAP team has been decimated by a number of long term injuries in the last year, and players leaving.

They now have a lot of players playing up from where they should be age wise, it may stand the really talented ones in good stead long term, but it must be a bit soul destroying at the moment. For example the girl playing in goals for the under 18’s could be playing down two levels, she is a real prospect and an excellent keeper, hope she keeps her head up.

The under 16’s NAP are middle of the pack (possibly as they have players playing at under 18), yet the under 14’s are fantastic, unbeaten and clear at the top of the table.

[LewysGot2]

The good Rangers youth are already in the first team or released and playing for Spartans and others. Watson, McLeary, McLean are 3 of the best players in the country and are all under 18. They all moved up early as the 18s level is so poor. So yes all 18s should be regional/development until they are actually good enough to play at an elite level…..that is what is stunting their development right. They play against poor teams most weeks. Forget about a league. Get 6 regional teams playing each other. At any point that can go and sign for a senior team, but in theory they get 2 years of top class games.

3 or 4 18s at Spartans get moved up every year. Unfortunately they are deemed not good enough and move on to other teams lower down the leagues. But at least 6 of the current team are long term players from youth level. It’s the same issue at all the teams now. Not enough players coming though that are good enough for the top level.

Emma Watson got a full time professional contract aged 16 at Rangers. Left Keith Wrights SFA Academy school where she’d trained alongside the likes of McIntyre brothers and Harry Wright, Rudi Molotnikov iirc. Sad for the Edinburgh set ups that an Edinburgh kid already scooped up by the Uglies and won’t look back. She’s going to go far…possibly Kim Little far.

[Brightside]

Emma Watson got a full time professional contract aged 16 at Rangers. Left Keith Wrights SFA Academy school where she’d trained alongside the likes of McIntyre brothers and Harry Wright, Rudi Molotnikov iirc. Sad for the Edinburgh set ups that an Edinburgh kid already scooped up by the Uglies and won’t look back. She’s going to go far…possibly Kim Little far.

I know her well and coached her for a few years at Lochend. She’s still at school. She’s been at Rangers for a long time now. Maclean for me is the best young prospect in the country but both will probably move down south in the next few years.

[wallpaperman]

I know her well and coached her for a few years at Lochend. She’s still at school. She’s been at Rangers for a long time now. Maclean for me is the best young prospect in the country but both will probably move down south in the next few years.

Out of interest, what’s your opinion of the performance schools?

My daughter is moving into S1 after the summer, is a fairly talented keeper, and we have applied for Broughton. I think they are (quite rightly) having to open it up to more girls, there are perhaps more opportunities.

Chances of getting in are slim of course, but our daughter is quite interested to see what the standard is with regards to trials etc.

They had a zoom call last week to give parents information, quite impressive presentation, I didn’t realise our old player Joe McBride heads up the Glasgow school.

[LewysGot2]

I know her well and coached her for a few years at Lochend. She’s still at school. She’s been at Rangers for a long time now. Maclean for me is the best young prospect in the country but both will probably move down south in the next few years.

She signed a full time contract at Ibrox in the summer and left Broughton? Was made public at the time, including an article in press. Has she gone back to school? How does that work around a full time contract?

[Danderhall Hibs]

They put 9-0 when the score is over 9-0 not to embarrass the club.

Check Hutchie Vale results often 9-0 but many have been about 20-0.

Ahh - didn’t realise that. I thought the guy on Twitter took the scores from the app (eg usqor or teamer) and reported as they are - Hibs 14s beat Hutchie 14-0 the other week and it was posted as that.

[Danderhall Hibs]

FFS :faf: What is the point?

Demoralising for the team on the end of it and pointless for the team winning.

[LewysGot2]

Demoralising for the team on the end of it and pointless for the team winning.

No different to boys club football up to a certain age :agree:

[Danderhall Hibs]

No different to boys club football up to a certain age :agree:

Yeah - I agree.

[Brightside]

She signed a full time contract at Ibrox in the summer and left Broughton? Was made public at the time, including an article in press. Has she gone back to school? How does that work around a full time contract?

She does distance learning most days and attends some days. Unless she’s changed that in the last few months. Shes no longer part of the performance school as that stops at 4th year. Shes got her final year of school and is bright so I’d be surprised if she’s chucked the final year. Scratch that - she is actually doing it all distance learning. They learn on site at Rangers.

[Brightside]

Out of interest, what’s your opinion of the performance schools?

My daughter is moving into S1 after the summer, is a fairly talented keeper, and we have applied for Broughton. I think they are (quite rightly) having to open it up to more girls, there are perhaps more opportunities.

Chances of getting in are slim of course, but our daughter is quite interested to see what the standard is with regards to trials etc.

They had a zoom call last week to give parents information, quite impressive presentation, I didn’t realise our old player Joe McBride heads up the Glasgow school.

If you can get her in you should. It’s more hours of training. And quite simply the more they train the better they will get.

[GreenCastle]

My understanding is that the Hibs under 18 NAP team has been decimated by a number of long term injuries in the last year, and players leaving.

They now have a lot of players playing up from where they should be age wise, it may stand the really talented ones in good stead long term, but it must be a bit soul destroying at the moment. For example the girl playing in goals for the under 18’s could be playing down two levels, she is a real prospect and an excellent keeper, hope she keeps her head up.

The under 16’s NAP are middle of the pack (possibly as they have players playing at under 18), yet the under 14’s are fantastic, unbeaten and clear at the top of the table.

Thanks for the info. Seems a lack of care from those in charge of the girls academy last few years means the teams are suffering just now.

I don’t see a pathway for many of the Hibs girls or keepers sadly unless they are exceptional - but if they are exceptional they will be scouted by other bigger clubs pretty quickly. Last few seasons it seems Hibs like others will keep bringing players in from England or elsewhere as they don’t have time like they used to wait for young players to improve and develop. Hibs missed the boat few years back to be where Glasgow City are, should be no excuses from the club as City aren’t even linked to a men’s set up.

It makes me laugh when people talk about the league tables in NAP. It’s a development league and it’s when clubs don’t give fair minutes to all players to win games at all costs, they are actually part of the problem stopping players get minutes to develop. The u14 league scores aren’t even meant to be posted online supposedly.

[LewysGot2]

She does distance learning most days and attends some days. Unless she’s changed that in the last few months. Shes no longer part of the performance school as that stops at 4th year. Shes got her final year of school and is bright so I’d be surprised if she’s chucked the final year. Scratch that - she is actually doing it all distance learning. They learn on site at Rangers.

So Rangers are providing the learning pathway. Like they would for boys. Her mum is well placed to help too I guess if she's studying a particular subject.

[Brightside]

So Rangers are providing the learning pathway. Like they would for boys. Her mum is well placed to help too I guess if she's studying a particular subject.

Indeed. She won’t be failing maths that’s for sure.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ayr United 0-2 Glasgow Women
Boroughmuir Thistle 0-5 Celtic
Glasgow City 5-0 Aberdeen
Hibernian 4-0 East Fife
Kilmarnock 1-0 St Johnstone
Motherwell 4-0 Montrose
Partick Thistle 1-3 Heart of Midlothian (AET)
Rossvale 0-13 Rangers

[cabbageandribs1875]

Glasgow Women v Motherwell
Rangers v Hibernian.. of course
Hearts v Celtic
Kilmarnock v Glasgow City

[wallpaperman]

Amazing how they keep the big three apart…..

[hibby rae]

A bump for the Hibs Women game this Sunday 13.10 ko at Tynie against Hearts.

Tickets are free again. Think a new domestic record might be set.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/matches/hearts-vs-hibernian-22-23

[Nakedmanoncrack]

A bump for the Hibs Women game this Sunday 13.10 ko at Tynie against Hearts.

Tickets are free again. Think a new domestic record might be set.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/matches/hearts-vs-hibernian-22-23

Looks like it's too late to buy from Hibs, can still buy etickets for home sections direct from Hearts.

[cabbageandribs1875]

FT celtic 3 rangers 0, didn't expect that

[hibby rae]

FT celtic 3 rangers 0, didn't expect that

Amy Canavan said she thought Rangers were getting a bit panicky.


***** from the BBC though, hardly any mention of the Edinburgh derby at Tynie, despite there going to be a bigger crowd than in Airdrie.


But their coverage only started improving when the Old Firm started showing an interest so what's new

[hibby rae]

Looks like it's too late to buy from Hibs, can still buy etickets for home sections direct from Hearts.

Aye, my tickets were posted to me. Wasn't a paperless option. Which is pretty easy to do in this day and age!