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wallpaperman
06-09-2024, 08:08 PM
Kenneh, McKirdy, Amos, Jair and Nathan Moriah Welsh ?

Nice one. 🤣

Paul1642
06-09-2024, 08:08 PM
Absolute freaks get them so far tae fek

Get them to Celtic park with the politics.

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 08:08 PM
it's only taken hearts 5/6 seasons to finally become the top dogs in the capital, i think they have a good manager and all she's needed is to get the right players to play the way she wants

another 5th pace finish for Hibs this season

One game doesn't make a season. Most of the players on both aides were playing last season and we had the better record then.

Chalk this one down to Scott tinkering when he shouldn't have.

cabbageandribs1875
06-09-2024, 08:08 PM
booooooooo referee

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 08:10 PM
Drama in the stands right in front of us. Stewards trying to chuck a bunch of ‘Mackay out’ flag wavers. They’re no for moving, lots of talking and gesturing. Best part of the game so far, where’s the popcorn.

Fair play to them.

They go to every Hibs women game and have the banner there with no issues, a lot of them are LGBT so can understand their stance.

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 08:11 PM
Absolute freaks get them so far tae fek

See that sort of language to describe them is part of the problem.

cabbageandribs1875
06-09-2024, 08:16 PM
One game doesn't make a season. Most of the players on both aides were playing last season and we had the better record then.

Chalk this one down to Scott tinkering when he shouldn't have.


tbf can't really blame grant scott for the appalling quality of passing in that first half

cabbageandribs1875
06-09-2024, 08:18 PM
0-4

great result for hearts


really should have been another one

GreenCastle
06-09-2024, 08:21 PM
Spartans is the real Edinburgh derby, so it doesn't count.

Spartans are getting relegated ! Way off it.

macca70
06-09-2024, 08:24 PM
Mackay out banner
Hibs built by migrants banner
Palestine flags

Keep that away from Easter Rd. Go tag along with the Green Brigade.

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 08:24 PM
tbf can't really blame grant scott for the appalling quality of passing in that first half

But when the changes happen and he goes back to a more familiar style, formation etc the passing improved.

cabbageandribs1875
06-09-2024, 08:24 PM
Date
Match
Broadcaster
Kick-off


Sunday 22nd September
Glasgow City v Hibernian
BBC Sport Scotland
1.00pm


Sunday 22nd September
Heart of Midlothian v Rangers
BBC ALBA
4.10pm


Thursday 3rd October
Rangers v Celtic
Sky Sports
6.00pm


Sunday 6th October
Partick Thistle v Heart of Midlothian
BBC ALBA
4.10pm

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 08:25 PM
Mackay out banner
Hibs built by migrants banner
Palestine flags

Keep that away from Easter Rd. Go tag along with the Green Brigade.

We were built by migrants, so it's odd pointing that out is an issue. Would you have an issue if a Kensell out banner appears at a game?

macca70
06-09-2024, 08:28 PM
tbf can't really blame grant scott for the appalling quality of passing in that first half

Absolutely no press on the hearts keeper when she had the ball. It’s not like she is Ederson and going to play through the press. She’d make a mistake or kick it up the park to Hibs if we bc applicant sort of pressure. Instead we gave them ridiculous time on the ball to play out through there left side and down our right where they ripped us to shreds.

He's here!
06-09-2024, 08:29 PM
Fair play to them.

They go to every Hibs women game and have the banner there with no issues, a lot of them are LGBT so can understand their stance.

Uh huh, LGBT fair enough but Hamas would have them lynched so **** knows what the Palestine stuff is about.

macca70
06-09-2024, 08:32 PM
We were built by migrants, so it's odd pointing that out is an issue. Would you have an issue if a Kensell out banner appears at a game?

Cause it’s not football related, keep the poilitical nonsense away from ER. A kensell out banner would at least be football related.

Gatecrasher
06-09-2024, 08:38 PM
Mackay out banner
Hibs built by migrants banner
Palestine flags

Keep that away from Easter Rd. Go tag along with the Green Brigade.

Sounds like tonight was a success then :hilarious

JimBHibees
06-09-2024, 08:43 PM
See that sort of language to describe them is part of the problem.

Why? Self obsessed clowns

oconnors_strip
06-09-2024, 08:46 PM
Drama in the stands right in front of us. Stewards trying to chuck a bunch of ‘Mackay out’ flag wavers. They’re no for moving, lots of talking and gesturing. Best part of the game so far, where’s the popcorn.


Seen the banner/flag just before kick off. Wonder what was said against it, and who complained about it?

As for the other flags that are at every women’s game 🙄

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 08:50 PM
Absolute freaks get them so far tae fek

If we are talking about about the 2 Malky’s then I could not agree more!

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 08:58 PM
Mackay out banner
Hibs built by migrants banner
Palestine flags

Keep that away from Easter Rd. Go tag along with the Green Brigade.

We were built by migrants and Malky should be nowhere near Hibs (or any other football club) with his views.

Viva_Palmeiras
06-09-2024, 09:00 PM
We were built by migrants and Malky should be nowhere near Hibs (or any other football club) with his views.

must admit that was what I couldn’t get my head around with his appointment.

cabbageandribs1875
06-09-2024, 09:09 PM
We were built by migrants and Malky should be nowhere near Hibs (or any other football club) with his views.


what's your thoughts on Drink Drivers ?


should they be Rehabilitated, or one strike and your out

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 09:19 PM
what's your thoughts on Drink Drivers ?


should they be Rehabilitated, or one strike and your out

I have views on drink drivers but not sure on the relevance to the subject matter being discussed here.

Brooster
06-09-2024, 09:24 PM
I have views on drink drivers but not sure on the relevance to the subject matter being discussed here.

You want us to bin a man who sent some dodgy texts? Do you want rid of our captain for being done for drink driving? Anyhow I'd like to see someone try this flag stunt at a men's game, embarrassing.

Onceinawhile
06-09-2024, 09:26 PM
I have views on drink drivers but not sure on the relevance to the subject matter being discussed here.

Joe newell and Martin Boyle?

Onceinawhile
06-09-2024, 09:27 PM
You want us to bin a man who sent some dodgy texts? Do you want rid of our captain for being done for drink driving? Anyhow I'd like to see someone try this flag stunt at a men's game, embarrassing.

'Some dodgy texts'???

Numerous anti semitic, misogynistic and racist emails.

Anti Asian and anti black, as well as anti jew and anti woman.

JimBHibees
06-09-2024, 09:28 PM
If we are talking about about the 2 Malky’s then I could not agree more!

Why would they be seen as freaks rather than attention seeking fans mimicking their heroes in the green brigade. Nothing at all to do with Scottish football

JimBHibees
06-09-2024, 09:31 PM
'Some dodgy texts'???

Numerous anti semitic, misogynistic and racist emails.

Anti Asian and anti black, as well as anti jew and anti woman.

We still bringing this up

Onceinawhile
06-09-2024, 09:32 PM
We still bringing this up

I didnt bring it up.

Pretty Boy
06-09-2024, 09:34 PM
'Built by migrants' seems a fairly innocuous statement, it's hardly removed from reality. I daresay we will hear a lot more about such things as we approach a major milestone in our history.

The pride flags are displayed at every women's game. We have an active LGBT supporters group so no real issue.

The Mackay stuff has been done to death. I support rehabilitation, plenty others feel he crossed a line and shouldn't be at the club. I can see why certain groups would be uncomfortable with him. The point has been made though and he's going nowhere.

Palestine flags appear at a lot of games not exclusively Celtic. Again I get why some people don't like it but I understand them.

Nothing displayed tonight really seemed to be harming anyone or particularly offensive so I can't get that worked up about it.

Brooster
06-09-2024, 09:34 PM
'Some dodgy texts'???

Numerous anti semitic, misogynistic and racist emails.

Anti Asian and anti black, as well as anti jew and anti woman.

It's been done to death. Go be outraged somewhere else.

IberianHibernian
06-09-2024, 09:47 PM
what's your thoughts on Drink Drivers ?


should they be Rehabilitated, or one strike and your outStrange question . What relevance does it have here ? Unfortunately some of our prominent players have been guilty of the terrible crime of drink driving in recent years . I would certainly hope that if they repeat they won`t play for us again . A significant % of fans must drive to home and away matches given reduced number of supporters buses compared with say 30 years ago and higher number of fans who don`t live within walking distance of Easter Road . I`m always surprised reminders aren`t made about not drinking and driving but I suppose it`s because it`s assumed all drivers need no reminders and nothing to do with not upsetting sponsors or reducing hospitality income .
As for banner about MM . Every time we were looking for a new manager in the last decade and the name of MM came up there was always considerable opposition to his appointment because of his history . That hadn`t changed earlier this year and his appointment was just another example of those running the club not being on the same wavelength as many of the supporters or having little or no understanding of fans`s views and I`m not claiming to represent fans`views .
Anyway , this is a thread about our women`s team so apologies for joining in hijacking it .
There are obviously 2 subjects which can be debated in other threads :
1. Club`s attitude to drink driving and alcohol company sponsorship .
2. Employment of people who have been punished for racism and other forms of discrimination .
That should be a concern for all clubs but more so for our club given our roots as we approach our 150th anniversary .

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 09:50 PM
Joe newell and Martin Boyle?

They committed an offence and were punished appropriately in the eyes of the law.

Still unclear on the relevance of that, to one of Hibernians Directors being reported to have racist and homophobic views.

cabbageandribs1875
06-09-2024, 09:56 PM
Strange question . What relevance does it have here ? Unfortunately some of our prominent players have been guilty of the terrible crime of drink driving in recent years . I would certainly hope that if they repeat they won`t play for us again . A significant % of fans must drive to home and away matches given reduced number of supporters buses compared with say 30 years ago and higher number of fans who don`t live within walking distance of Easter Road . I`m always surprised reminders aren`t made about not drinking and driving but I suppose it`s because it`s assumed all drivers need no reminders and nothing to do with not upsetting sponsors or reducing hospitality income .
As for banner about MM . Every time we were looking for a new manager in the last decade and the name of MM came up there was always considerable opposition to his appointment because of his history . That hadn`t changed earlier this year and his appointment was just another example of those running the club not being on the same wavelength as many of the supporters or having little or no understanding of fans`s views and I`m not claiming to represent fans`views .
Anyway , this is a thread about our women`s team so apologies for joining in hijacking it .
There are obviously 2 subjects which can be debated in other threads :
1. Club`s attitude to drink driving and alcohol company sponsorship .
2. Employment of people who have been punished for racism and other forms of discrimination .
That should be a concern for all clubs but more so for our club given our roots as we approach our 150th anniversary .

i could say more on the why but i agree with the getting back on topic for tonights game instead :agree:

Eyrie
06-09-2024, 10:00 PM
They committed an offence and were punished appropriately in the eyes of the law.

Still unclear on the relevance of that, to one of Hibernians Directors being reported to have racist and homophobic views.

Did you watch the game?

Do you have an opinion on how our team played in the first half? Or the second half?

Onceinawhile
06-09-2024, 10:01 PM
They committed an offence and were punished appropriately in the eyes of the law.

Still unclear on the relevance of that, to one of Hibernians Directors being reported to have racist and homophobic views.

Well, it wasn't me that made the comparison. But I believe that the point was - if racism is bad and worth getting someone out the club, can't the same be said for drink driving?

Anyway, this is well off topic, so no point continuing it.

IberianHibernian
06-09-2024, 10:02 PM
It's been done to death. Go be outraged somewhere else. Done to death where and when ? I`m sure there are many Hibs fans who didn`t want MM employed by our club after the comments appeared , still didn`t want him appointed when he was ( after an exhaustive search for a better alternative presumably ) and still wouldn`t even if he signed Messi for us . ¨Done to death ¨? Maybe but that doesn`t mean that many Hibs fans are still disappointed by his appointment .

Glory Lurker
06-09-2024, 10:23 PM
Spartans are getting relegated ! Way off it.

Aye, but they were a big team in the women's game long before The Big Team got the benefactor's money. I'm also having a pop at Hibs for bigging up the Capital Cup, for the "Edinburgh Derby" when Spartans were our only capital challenger for years, but we've chosen to forget that.

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 10:24 PM
Why? Self obsessed clowns

Entitled to their opinion, no need to describe them as 'freaks' just because you don't share their opinions, and as a lot of them are from the LGBT community maybe try to see things through their own experiences

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 10:25 PM
Well, it wasn't me that made the comparison. But I believe that the point was - if racism is bad and worth getting someone out the club, can't the same be said for drink driving?

Anyway, this is well off topic, so no point continuing it.

Agreed 👍

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 10:30 PM
Uh huh, LGBT fair enough but Hamas would have them lynched so **** knows what the Palestine stuff is about.

I'm not wanting to get into it as I appreciate someone like yourself who supports the women's team, but I've seen LGBT groups push back on thay argument by pointing out bombs from the sky kill LGBT people too.

But let's leave this alone cause I don't want this thread to be moved to the Holy Ground

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 10:33 PM
Did you watch the game?

Do you have an opinion on how our team played in the first half? Or the second half?

I did yes. I thought Hibs played below par compared to previous weeks and Hearts scored some great goals unfortunately . One of those nights TBH.

Can’t let the team derail what has been a good start to the season on one night, despite a painful defeat though.

Glory Lurker
06-09-2024, 10:34 PM
If our women's team, or the folk who actually support them (as opposed to just turning up for an ER gig), wanted to make a thing about these issues, wouldn't it have been done by now?

I totally get, and support, playing at ER to increase attendance, but it's a scunner that debutant folk from the men's game bring the nonsense with them.

He's here!
06-09-2024, 10:36 PM
Nah Scott's just done that nippy think where the coach has a big game and overthinks it, thereby changing a formula that's been paying off. You see it all the time and a lot of the time it goes badly

The bigger game was arguably Celtic away last week and we were a bit unfortunate not to win with a really excellent performance. Tonight has me thinking Hibs as a club just can't handle the sight of a team in maroon.

He's here!
06-09-2024, 10:43 PM
I'm not wanting to get into it as I appreciate someone like yourself who supports the women's team, but I've seen LGBT groups push back on thay argument by pointing out bombs from the sky kill LGBT people too.

But let's leave this alone cause I don't want this thread to be moved to the Holy Ground

Why then no protest against the multiple other conflicts around the world where presumably LGBT people are also suffering? Or sympathy for the Israeli LGBT victims of the Hamas massacre? The fact the world's only Jewish state is the one which gets singled out is very telling. It's antisemitism (ie racism) pure and simple.

You're right, it's one for another forum but these kind of protests need called out for what they are.

ian cruise
06-09-2024, 10:46 PM
Best thing MacKay could do is meet with the group and have an open and frank conversation about what he's learned since the episode in question that's and why that's not representative of who he is now.

That situation is going to follow him around until he's got the public backing of support groups who genuinely believe that he's changed his views. I'm all for rehabilitation, but there's also the part where people need to understand the consequences of their actions and unfortunately for Malky there will be many who will never believe he's changed his views, and that's something he needs to just accept.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that some potential signings might be put off because of his past, so from Hibs point of view the more people he can convince he genuinely understands how hurtful the things he said were and why he wouldn't do them again the better. The important part though is it needs to be genuine not just lip service.

Pretty Boy
06-09-2024, 10:51 PM
If our women's team, or the folk who actually support them (as opposed to just turning up for an ER gig), wanted to make a thing about these issues, wouldn't it have been done by now?

I totally get, and support, playing at ER to increase attendance, but it's a scunner that debutant folk from the men's game bring the nonsense with them.

The group displaying the flags and banners was primarily the hardcore who support the women's team week in, week out.

IberianHibernian
06-09-2024, 10:52 PM
So in summary .
Very disappointing result tonight but hopefully all involved ( manager , players etc ) will look at match and try to improve things in future . Just as they do after every match .
Banner at match , club recognise privately ( they won`t do it publicly ) that there was / is opposition to appointment of MM . Particularly as we start celebrations of our founding 150 years ago soon . Some fans question accepting sponsorship from alcohol selling companies and continuous promoting of their products .

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 10:52 PM
It's been done to death. Go be outraged somewhere else.

it’s not been done to death. It’s been deflected by people that think it’s not important, including our non-exec Chairman.

Centre Hawf
06-09-2024, 10:52 PM
I see we're back on this topic again. I'll gladly add fuel to the fire that I can't wait for the day MM gets himself to **** from Hibs and I support any and all messages of protest from Hibees Pride or any other supporter group about him.

The club let itself down appointing him and the recent efforts to chase Elie's racial abuser, while correct, is extremely ironic.

Brightside
06-09-2024, 10:54 PM
Aye, but they were a big team in the women's game long before The Big Team got the benefactor's money. I'm also having a pop at Hibs for bigging up the Capital Cup, for the "Edinburgh Derby" when Spartans were our only capital challenger for years, but we've chosen to forget that.

Correct.

IberianHibernian
06-09-2024, 10:58 PM
it’s not been done to death. It’s been deflected by people that think it’s not important, including our non-exec Chairman.Exactly . That`s what I was trying to say before . Decision to appoint MM was another example of those in charge not having a clue about our historical support`s feelings .

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 11:00 PM
Exactly . That`s what I was trying to say before . Decision to appoint MM was another example of those in charge not having a clue about our historical support`s feelings .

Spot on

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 11:03 PM
I see we're back on this topic again. I'll gladly add fuel to the fire that I can't wait for the day MM gets himself to **** from Hibs and I support any and all messages of protest from Hibees Pride or any other supporter group about him.

The club let itself down appointing him and the recent efforts to chase Elie's racial abuser, while correct, is extremely ironic.

Totally agreed. A shambolic appointment by people who have no connection with our support.

flash
06-09-2024, 11:05 PM
Totally agreed. A shambolic appointment by people who have no connection with our support.

I have been to well over 1000 Hibs matches and I will judge him on the job he does for the club.

Glory Lurker
06-09-2024, 11:06 PM
The group displaying the flags and banners was primarily the hardcore who support the women's team week in, week out.

Okay. I might need to stand corrected.

Why tonight?

And why the Green Brigade stuff?

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 11:19 PM
Why then no protest against the multiple other conflicts around the world where presumably LGBT people are also suffering? Or sympathy for the Israeli LGBT victims of the Hamas massacre? The fact the world's only Jewish state is the one which gets singled out is very telling. It's antisemitism (ie racism) pure and simple.

You're right, it's one for another forum but these kind of protests need called out for what they are.

I never go in for what about arguments man.

But I'd happily watch a game with you at Meadowbank and, even though I think we disagree on most things political, have a pint after to put the world to rights.

Final point, one benefit of the games at Meadowbank is the tea is better, because the water at ER is sh*te.

hibby rae
06-09-2024, 11:21 PM
Can I ask the admins to not move this thread, as the current debate will die down soon enough and we can talk about Hibs women afterwards as usual

TrinityHFC
06-09-2024, 11:36 PM
Totally agreed. A shambolic appointment by people who have no connection with our support.

I assume you’ve never said anything dodgy your whole life? Never made a comment to mates about any part of a woman’s body for example?

Some absolute nonsense written about stuff like this. He had 3 or 4 dodgy private messages out of 10k reviewed. Suspect people are lying to themselves if they think they are any better.

Whelahan 1875
06-09-2024, 11:47 PM
I assume you’ve never said anything dodgy your whole life? Never made a comment to mates about any part of a woman’s body for example?

Some absolute nonsense written about stuff like this. He had 3 or 4 dodgy private messages out of 10k reviewed. Suspect people are lying to themselves if they think they are any better.

I may have made a few ‘dodgy’ comments. I may well in fact be a woman!

Anyway this is not a debate about me. I’m not a Director of our historic football club so not up for public scrutiny. We deserve better.

IberianHibernian
06-09-2024, 11:55 PM
I have been to well over 1000 Hibs matches and I will judge him on the job he does for the club.10 , 100 , 1000 makes no difference . Would you want us to sign a 40 goal a season striker if he was a racist ?

JohnM1875
06-09-2024, 11:59 PM
10 , 100 , 1000 makes no difference . Would you want us to sign a 40 goal a season striker if he was a racist ?

Aw come on. Would a racist sanction then laud the signings of Ekpiteta, Hoilett and Kwon?

He sent some daft texts privately.

SaulGoodman
07-09-2024, 12:08 AM
I am outraged.

hibby rae
07-09-2024, 01:59 AM
Aw come on. Would a racist sanction then laud the signings of Ekpiteta, Hoilett and Kwon?

He sent some daft texts privately.

Actually, they weren't private. They were on a work phone, which would beg the question if he was comfortable doing that in a work environment, what was he comfortable saying in private?

Brightside
07-09-2024, 06:47 AM
Actually, they weren't private. They were on a work phone, which would beg the question if he was comfortable doing that in a work environment, what was he comfortable saying in private?

A 1:1 text is still private. No matter the ownership of the device. If he sent it via a work collaboration tool then you’d have a point. This whole debate is pointless tho. Hes in for the next 4 years unless something goes drastically wrong, and a dozen people campaigning at the womens game won’t change that.

flash
07-09-2024, 07:17 AM
10 , 100 , 1000 makes no difference . Would you want us to sign a 40 goal a season striker if he was a racist ?

Did you lead the protests against any of our players who may have joined in songs about refugees?

hibby rae
07-09-2024, 07:53 AM
A 1:1 text is still private. No matter the ownership of the device. If he sent it via a work collaboration tool then you’d have a point. This whole debate is pointless tho. Hes in for the next 4 years unless something goes drastically wrong, and a dozen people campaigning at the womens game won’t change that.

It's not, because I could put in a freedom of information request and get that info if it's work devices etc. Can't do that for a personal device.

hibby rae
07-09-2024, 07:54 AM
Did you lead the protests against any of our players who may have joined in songs about refugees?

What about

CropleyWasGod
07-09-2024, 08:04 AM
I may have made a few ‘dodgy’ comments. I may well in fact be a woman!

Anyway this is not a debate about me. I’m not a Director of our historic football club so not up for public scrutiny. We deserve better.

It's probably not relevant to the debate, but, since you've mentioned it a couple of times.... Malky Mackay is not a director of the Club

Danderhall Hibs
07-09-2024, 08:26 AM
Dreadful performance from the team last night. Change of formation and players and position of others made a difference but they didn’t take the chances when they can and got caught against the run of play for the 4th.

Really poor after a good start to the season.

JimBHibees
07-09-2024, 08:31 AM
Entitled to their opinion, no need to describe them as 'freaks' just because you don't share their opinions, and as a lot of them are from the LGBT community maybe try to see things through their own experiences

Just to be clear the only thing i was complaining about was the Mackay out banner no issue with any of the other banners flags whatever. Just seemed unnecessarily attention seeking. Apologies freaks was too far.

JimBHibees
07-09-2024, 08:33 AM
The bigger game was arguably Celtic away last week and we were a bit unfortunate not to win with a really excellent performance. Tonight has me thinking Hibs as a club just can't handle the sight of a team in maroon.

Yes that will be it

JimBHibees
07-09-2024, 08:37 AM
Totally agreed. A shambolic appointment by people who have no connection with our support.

Shambolic ?? To me looks exactly what the team and club needs. Glad he is here. Made mistakes as we all do. Apologised. Learnt his lesson now we move on.

JimBHibees
07-09-2024, 08:39 AM
It's not, because I could put in a freedom of information request and get that info if it's work devices etc. Can't do that for a personal device.

No you couldn’t freedom of information is for public bodies not personal devices or private company information.

JimBHibees
07-09-2024, 08:42 AM
I have been to well over 1000 Hibs matches and I will judge him on the job he does for the club.

Absolutely anything else is just a distraction

Brightside
07-09-2024, 09:54 AM
It's not, because I could put in a freedom of information request and get that info if it's work devices etc. Can't do that for a personal device.

You cannot get a freedom of information enforcement on mobile phone txt in a private company. If there was you could ask for my phone. The txts that malky sent were found after he handed his phone over to the club.

GreenCastle
07-09-2024, 10:13 AM
Back to the football…

The team selection was weird but think it shows that Hibs will probably finish 5th this season..few weak spots still in the team and better sides will punish those areas.

Sore one last night since it due to scoreline - but still 3 more derbies and lots of points to play.

Celtic / Rangers
Rangers / Celtic
Hearts / Glasgow City
Glasgow City / Hearts
Hibs

Hibees1973
07-09-2024, 10:27 AM
I see we're back on this topic again. I'll gladly add fuel to the fire that I can't wait for the day MM gets himself to **** from Hibs and I support any and all messages of protest from Hibees Pride or any other supporter group about him.

The club let itself down appointing him and the recent efforts to chase Elie's racial abuser, while correct, is extremely ironic.

Club clearly knew they would be stoking controversy in appointing MacKay when we have a high profile Women's team with success over many years.

They chose to overlook any poor publicity the club would get. Didn't really help when McPherson called the justified criticism in MacKay's appointment as 'depressing'. His words.

Think most people would distance themselves from MacKay and his texts.

A Hi-Bee
07-09-2024, 11:27 AM
I am outraged.

I think I may be even more outraged at being outraged at this outrage.
:greengrin

TrinityHFC
07-09-2024, 11:50 AM
Club clearly knew they would be stoking controversy in appointing MacKay when we have a high profile Women's team with success over many years.

They chose to overlook any poor publicity the club would get. Didn't really help when McPherson called the justified criticism in MacKay's appointment as 'depressing'. His words.

Think most people would distance themselves from MacKay and his texts.

If you were to exclude everyone from sport who had made suggestive comments about a woman or man in private to a mate there would no sport left to watch.

expresso
07-09-2024, 12:33 PM
Why then no protest against the multiple other conflicts around the world where presumably LGBT people are also suffering? Or sympathy for the Israeli LGBT victims of the Hamas massacre? The fact the world's only Jewish state is the one which gets singled out is very telling. It's antisemitism (ie racism) pure and simple.

You're right, it's one for another forum but these kind of protests need called out for what they are.

Are you saying it’s anti semetic to fly Palestinian flags in a show of solidarity with the people in Gaza who are being slaughtered on a daily basis?
A systematic massacre which is being supported physically by the West and tacitly by our media’s jaundiced reporting.

JohnM1875
07-09-2024, 01:10 PM
If you were to exclude everyone from sport who had made suggestive comments about a woman or man in private to a mate there would no sport left to watch.

Totally. It’s mental.

The SFA, Ross County and now us have been happy to appoint him. All following an interview process. Players of different ethnicities have happily played and flourished under him.

Brightside
07-09-2024, 01:19 PM
Back to the football…

The team selection was weird but think it shows that Hibs will probably finish 5th this season..few weak spots still in the team and better sides will punish those areas.

Sore one last night since it due to scoreline - but still 3 more derbies and lots of points to play.

Celtic / Rangers
Rangers / Celtic
Hearts / Glasgow City
Glasgow City / Hearts
Hibs

Expect it to finish
Rangers
Celtic
Hearts
City
Hibs

Gatecrasher
07-09-2024, 01:19 PM
well that's another thread ruined, well done folks. :rolleyes:

Eyrie
07-09-2024, 02:26 PM
well that's another thread ruined, well done folks. :rolleyes:

Agreed.

This is meant to be a thread about our women's team. If people want to post opinions on whether Mackay should have a second chance or world politics then they should start a dedicated thread.

JohnM1875
07-09-2024, 02:28 PM
Agreed.

This is meant to be a thread about our women's team. If people want to post opinions on whether Mackay should have a second chance or world politics then they should start a dedicated thread.

The flags were flown last night at a womans game though? Not that off topic in this instance.

Eyrie
07-09-2024, 02:33 PM
The flags were flown last night at a womans game though? Not that off topic in this instance.

Surely if the topic is that important to the posters involved they should want a separate thread with a clear title which will engage more interest?

There's little enough discussion of our women's team on here without the thread getting derailed by non-football matters.

He's here!
07-09-2024, 03:06 PM
Are you saying it’s anti semetic to fly Palestinian flags in a show of solidarity with the people in Gaza who are being slaughtered on a daily basis?
A systematic massacre which is being supported physically by the West and tacitly by our media’s jaundiced reporting.

I'm saying where are similar protests against, say (to name but two), the fate of the Uyghur population at Chinese hands or the Darfur genocide? Israel has been provoked into war by a barbaric enemy which hides itself among and beneath the people it's supposed to govern. The Hamas regime would also be the last to countenance LGBT rights. These protests are misguided and the fact it's Israel which gets singled out points to an antisemitic agenda.

Bottom line, I see no place for this at football matches.

expresso
07-09-2024, 03:32 PM
I'm saying where are similar protests against, say (to name but two), the fate of the Uyghur population at Chinese hands or the Darfur genocide? Israel has been provoked into war by a barbaric enemy which hides itself among and beneath the people it's supposed to govern. The Hamas regime would also be the last to countenance LGBT rights. These protests are misguided and the fact it's Israel which gets singled out points to an antisemitic agenda.

Bottom line, I see no place for this at football matches.

Israel started this war decades before Hamas even existed in fact their absence from the WB doesn’t stop the IDF butchery.
The other human rights atrocities you reference aren’t actively enabled by our government however feel free to start protests about them.

I assume you were similarly irked by BLM & Ukraine at football matches?

Any medium to highlight human rights abuses has to be welcomed and encouraged and football is a great showcase

Stairway 2 7
07-09-2024, 03:34 PM
Expect it to finish
Rangers
Celtic
Hearts
City
Hibs

I wonder how much each spends on the female side

Paul1642
07-09-2024, 03:36 PM
Israel started this war decades before Hamas even existed in fact their absence from the WB doesn’t stop the IDF butchery.
The other human rights atrocities you reference aren’t actively enabled by our government however feel free to start protests about them.

I assume you were similarly irked by BLM & Ukraine at football matches?

Any medium to highlight human rights abuses has to be welcomed and encouraged and football is a great showcase

You never answered the he’s here’s question though. Where’s the protest against all the other similar events occurring worldwide? Seems it’s only the one involving Jews that stirs up public outrage.

Wee Effen Bee
07-09-2024, 03:42 PM
Israel has been provoked into war by a barbaric enemy which hides itself among and beneath the people it's supposed to govern

One of the worst takes on the Israeli genocide I have seen for a long time - and that includes any recent Israeli propaganda.

JimBHibees
07-09-2024, 04:28 PM
I'm saying where are similar protests against, say (to name but two), the fate of the Uyghur population at Chinese hands or the Darfur genocide? Israel has been provoked into war by a barbaric enemy which hides itself among and beneath the people it's supposed to govern. The Hamas regime would also be the last to countenance LGBT rights. These protests are misguided and the fact it's Israel which gets singled out points to an antisemitic agenda.

Bottom line, I see no place for this at football matches.

You have posted some utter nonsense in your time but that takes the absolute biscuit. Don’t insult our intelligence with that offensive junk

He's here!
07-09-2024, 04:33 PM
Israel has been provoked into war by a barbaric enemy which hides itself among and beneath the people it's supposed to govern

One of the worst takes on the Israeli genocide I have seen for a long time - and that includes any recent Israeli propaganda.

It's not a 'take', it's a simple summation of Hamas tactics. How else would you describe them? There's only side advocating true genocide here, as their supporters who chant from the river to the sea make clear (ignorant of its meaning as many may be, but for whom October 7th is an inconvenience to be glossed over).

expresso
07-09-2024, 04:37 PM
You never answered the he’s here’s question though. Where’s the protest against all the other similar events occurring worldwide? Seems it’s only the one involving Jews that stirs up public outrage.

The other events aren’t being facilitated by our government

expresso
07-09-2024, 04:42 PM
It's not a 'take', it's a simple summation of Hamas tactics. How else would you describe them? There's only side advocating true genocide here, as their supporters who chant from the river to the sea make clear (ignorant of its meaning as many may be, but for whom October 7th is an inconvenience to be glossed over).

I’d recommend reading some history books on the region with particular emphasis on 1948 onwards you’ll have a much better understanding than merely swallowing BBC & Sky news ‘reporting’

He's here!
07-09-2024, 04:42 PM
Israel started this war decades before Hamas even existed in fact their absence from the WB doesn’t stop the IDF butchery.
The other human rights atrocities you reference aren’t actively enabled by our government however feel free to start protests about them.

I assume you were similarly irked by BLM & Ukraine at football matches?

Any medium to highlight human rights abuses has to be welcomed and encouraged and football is a great showcase

I'm not sure football's such a great showcase when it leads to a Celtic player essentially having to leave the club because he happens to be Israeli.

You could argue for all time about who 'started' things. The BBC's terrific 50 Years War series is a good starting point, but the roots of the conflict are as old as time.

greenlex
07-09-2024, 04:43 PM
Hibs women aye?

Billy Whizz
07-09-2024, 04:50 PM
Hibs women aye?

I thought this was the thread I was reading

cabbageandribs1875
07-09-2024, 05:12 PM
Celtic won their mini-group and will go through to the CL 2nd round which precedes the Group stage, Rangers lost to Atletico Madrid 3-0 to finish bottom of their group.

skankomcphee
07-09-2024, 05:13 PM
Saw a Celtic **** at this game last night who works for the Scottish Greens. What business would such an individual have at a Hibs v Hertz women’s game other than to stir *****?

skankomcphee
07-09-2024, 05:16 PM
I see we're back on this topic again. I'll gladly add fuel to the fire that I can't wait for the day MM gets himself to **** from Hibs and I support any and all messages of protest from Hibees Pride or any other supporter group about him.

The club let itself down appointing him and the recent efforts to chase Elie's racial abuser, while correct, is extremely ironic.

Still don’t get why Malky can’t be forgiven but Newell and Boyle (for acts which could have resulted in physical, indeed terminal, consequence for anyone coming into contact with their vehicles whilst they drunkenly operated them on public roads) are given carte blanche. It reeks of hypocrisy of the highest order.

skankomcphee
07-09-2024, 05:18 PM
I'm not wanting to get into it as I appreciate someone like yourself who supports the women's team, but I've seen LGBT groups push back on thay argument by pointing out bombs from the sky kill LGBT people too.

But let's leave this alone cause I don't want this thread to be moved to the Holy Ground

That’s a laughable argument. If anyone wants to prance aboot Gaza City with a pride flag, they’ll find just how laughable it really is.

expresso
07-09-2024, 05:19 PM
I'm not sure football's such a great showcase when it leads to a Celtic player essentially having to leave the club because he happens to be Israeli.

You could argue for all time about who 'started' things. The BBC's terrific 50 Years War series is a good starting point, but the roots of the conflict are as old as time.

If the BBC told me it was raining I’d look out the window to check.
Love to hear a coherent argument that the Nakba wasn’t the instigation of modern day trouble in the region.

Baldy Foghorn
07-09-2024, 05:39 PM
Seem to have regressed quite quickly, after being involved in winning cups not so long ago, to lose a lot of decent players, they look a shadow of their former self. Poor result last night

Brightside
07-09-2024, 05:45 PM
Saw a Celtic **** at this game last night who works for the Scottish Greens. What business would such an individual have at a Hibs v Hertz women’s game other than to stir *****?

Maybe just wanted to watch the game. What’s wrong with people. So many appear to have lost he plot.

blackpoolhibs
07-09-2024, 06:14 PM
I can just about put up with the drum at the mens game, while i've never had much time for it, these morons have if possible pushed me further away from the womens game.

He's here!
07-09-2024, 06:27 PM
If the BBC told me it was raining I’d look out the window to check.
Love to hear a coherent argument that the Nakba wasn’t the instigation of modern day trouble in the region.

There's plenty about the BBC I find fault with too but the series was excellent, offering perspective from all sides and pulling no punches, with the Nakba prominently featured:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0glc7yp/the-fifty-years-war-israel-and-the-arabs

expresso
07-09-2024, 11:49 PM
There's plenty about the BBC I find fault with too but the series was excellent, offering perspective from all sides and pulling no punches, with the Nakba prominently featured:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0glc7yp/the-fifty-years-war-israel-and-the-arabs

Ok

cabbageandribs1875
08-09-2024, 02:08 PM
FT's

Aberdeen 1 Dundee United 1, first point of the season for United
Glasgow City 8 Queen's Park 0
Motherwell 0 Partick Thistle 4


Hibernian down to 5th

FT Montrose 0 Spartans 3

cabbageandribs1875
09-09-2024, 05:08 PM
celtic will play Ukrainian champs Vorskla Poltava with the winners going through to the CL Group stage

MartinfaePorty
15-09-2024, 12:30 PM
4-0 up already at home v Queens Park. Only around 25 mins gone. On YouTube if anyone wants to watch.

He's here!
15-09-2024, 04:36 PM
4-0 up already at home v Queens Park. Only around 25 mins gone. On YouTube if anyone wants to watch.

6-1 FT. Good to get back to winning ways as that letdown in the derby will still be hurting them.

cabbageandribs1875
15-09-2024, 06:53 PM
FT's

Hibernian 6 Queens's Park 1
Hearts 3 Aberdeen 0
Montrose 2 Dundee United 1
Partick Thistle 0 Celtic 3
Rangers 6 Spartans 1
Motherwell 0 Glasgow City 1

worcesterhibby
15-09-2024, 07:29 PM
The Top 5 teams and the other 7 are completely different levels,

still 5 teams being competitive in Scotland is four more than the men’s game !

Henderson2Del
16-09-2024, 08:52 AM
Are Hibs getting much of a crowd in these days?

lugz
16-09-2024, 02:22 PM
Are Hibs getting much of a crowd in these days?

Crowd at meadowbank yesterday certainly seemed more than normal.

Henderson2Del
16-09-2024, 02:44 PM
Crowd at meadowbank yesterday certainly seemed more than normal.

What are we talking?? I’m presuming the recent derby at Easter Road got a good crowd too

Groathillgrump
16-09-2024, 02:58 PM
Crowd at meadowbank yesterday certainly seemed more than normal.

What's a normal attendance at Meadowbank?

As someone who doesn't follow the women's team I'm genuinely interested in how many people watch them on the days there aren't any free tickets being handed out to entice people along.

The Hibee Harp
16-09-2024, 03:16 PM
Was the Derby crowd figure released? I didn’t see it anywhere.

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 03:18 PM
Was the Derby crowd figure released? I didn’t see it anywhere.

Think they said 4100odd

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 03:18 PM
What's a normal attendance at Meadowbank?

As someone who doesn't follow the women's team I'm genuinely interested in how many people watch them on the days there aren't any free tickets being handed out to entice people along.

There’s only 499 seats at meadowbank.

blackpoolhibs
16-09-2024, 03:18 PM
What's a normal attendance at Meadowbank?

As someone who doesn't follow the women's team I'm genuinely interested in how many people watch them on the days there aren't any free tickets being handed out to entice people along.

I've asked this a few times, but nobody ever answers, i wonder why?

matty_f
16-09-2024, 03:20 PM
I've asked this a few times, but nobody ever answers, i wonder why?

How many do the men get after you take away the free tickets that are handed out?

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 03:20 PM
I've asked this a few times, but nobody ever answers, i wonder why?

I don’t think they ever read out a number over the tannoy.

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 03:20 PM
How many do the men get after you take away the free tickets that are handed out?

No one ever answers this. I wonder why?

blackpoolhibs
16-09-2024, 03:21 PM
How many do the men get after you take away the free tickets that are handed out?

I'd think perhaps 500 less than they announce?

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 03:22 PM
I'd think perhaps 500 less than they announce?

Is it limited to 500 freebys? I’ve never seen that said previously.

I always thought there were more comps given out.

blackpoolhibs
16-09-2024, 03:26 PM
Is it limited to 500 freebys? I’ve never seen that said previously.

I always thought there were more comps given out.

I'm guessing, i dont know how many freebies we give out for the mens team? And i've no idea how many people go watch the womens team either, which is why i asked, but once again never got an answer.

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 03:44 PM
I'm guessing, i dont know how many freebies we give out for the mens team? And i've no idea how many people go watch the womens team either, which is why i asked, but once again never got an answer.

It’s like no one knows any of these answers? Have you tried the club?

worcesterhibby
16-09-2024, 03:48 PM
It’s like no one knows any of these answers? Have you tried the club?
Does it matter ?

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 03:50 PM
Does it matter ?

Blackpool seems keen to know? Says he’s asked loads of times so I assume so.

Bishop Hibee
16-09-2024, 04:03 PM
Does it matter ?

In order to know if interest is growing in Hibs Women then yes.

Henderson2Del
16-09-2024, 04:03 PM
Does it matter ?

I guess it’s good to gauge progress given the vast increase in investment and also exposure and see if that’s translating into a bigger support and see the trends. It’s always going to be contentious but surely transparency is best policy.

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 04:10 PM
I guess it’s good to gauge progress given the vast increase in investment and also exposure and see if that’s translating into a bigger support and see the trends. It’s always going to be contentious but surely transparency is best policy.

I agree on the transparency- could also allay the fears of it being a vast increase in investment. There’s clearly more than nothing but the women still have jobs and the girls academy still have to fundraise to cover costs.

blackpoolhibs
16-09-2024, 05:09 PM
Blackpool seems keen to know? Says he’s asked loads of times so I assume so.

I ask lots of questions about Hibs here rather than email the club, most other questions get answered, not this one though, perhaps i will get in contact with them, maybe they wont be so guarded in their answer.

Henderson2Del
16-09-2024, 05:43 PM
I agree on the transparency- could also allay the fears of it being a vast increase in investment. There’s clearly more than nothing but the women still have jobs and the girls academy still have to fundraise to cover costs.

There must have been a decent investment over last few years if some players are on some degree of professional contract, they have been advertising for a women’s team kit manager or the likes on 25k per year so just open up and talk about the changes and the rationale behind it. At the end of the day I’d imagine each part of the club has to at some point be financially viable.

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 06:13 PM
I ask lots of questions about Hibs here rather than email the club, most other questions get answered, not this one though, perhaps i will get in contact with them, maybe they wont be so guarded in their answer.

Yeah we all do. Unfortunately not all the answers are correct and not all are answered. Good luck 🤞🏻

Danderhall Hibs
16-09-2024, 06:15 PM
There must have been a decent investment over last few years if some players are on some degree of professional contract, they have been advertising for a women’s team kit manager or the likes on 25k per year so just open up and talk about the changes and the rationale behind it. At the end of the day I’d imagine each part of the club has to at some point be financially viable.

Yeah there’s been some investment and by not being explicit the club have left themselves open to it sounding like a lot more has been invested.

Not sure if it needs to be financially viable? The mens team isn’t for example but I don’t think many on here would say we should stop funding it?

wallpaperman
16-09-2024, 07:21 PM
A regular crowd at a Hibs women’s game is around 250, with a variation of 50 or so each way depending on the weather or the opposition. As there are only 499 seats at Meadowbank, it is rarely full or really close to being so.

He's here!
16-09-2024, 07:53 PM
What's a normal attendance at Meadowbank?

As someone who doesn't follow the women's team I'm genuinely interested in how many people watch them on the days there aren't any free tickets being handed out to entice people along.

You should head along to watch them sometime. Decent team this year but one which unfortunately (much like the men's team on too many occasions to remember) had a bad day at last week's derby. As others have said, watching the women's team (particularly in recent seasons) can often salvage your mood after a crap men's result/performance.

I'd love to see women's football take off in Scotland as you can see what a successful product it's become in England. There's significant rethinking required around the structure of the game though before serious strides can be taken.

blackpoolhibs
16-09-2024, 08:01 PM
A regular crowd at a Hibs women’s game is around 250, with a variation of 50 or so each way depending on the weather or the opposition. As there are only 499 seats at Meadowbank, it is rarely full or really close to being so.

Thank you. :aok:

worcesterhibby
17-09-2024, 06:57 AM
I guess it’s good to gauge progress given the vast increase in investment and also exposure and see if that’s translating into a bigger support and see the trends. It’s always going to be contentious but surely transparency is best policy.

good answer. Cheers

.Sean.
17-09-2024, 07:30 AM
Yeah there’s been some investment and by not being explicit the club have left themselves open to it sounding like a lot more has been invested
Not sure if it needs to be financially viable? The mens team isn’t for example but I don’t think many on here would say we should stop funding it?
Well of course we’d never say stop funding it, that’s because we all care about the men’s team. Same can’t be said for the ladies team, two different cases and you know it. I think a woman’s team that some at best have a passing interest in and that most couldn’t care less about should be financially viable on their own and not subsidised as much. I have absolutely nothing against the woman’s team and wish them all the best and this will probably sound harsh but I’ve no interest in seeing money that could be funnelled towards the men’s team instead ‘invested’ in the woman’s team and I imagine plenty folk will feel the same.

Danderhall Hibs
17-09-2024, 09:10 AM
Well of course we’d never say stop funding it, that’s because we all care about the men’s team. Same can’t be said for the ladies team, two different cases and you know it. I think a woman’s team that some at best have a passing interest in and that most couldn’t care less about should be financially viable on their own and not subsidised as much. I have absolutely nothing against the woman’s team and wish them all the best and this will probably sound harsh but I’ve no interest in seeing money that could be funnelled towards the men’s team instead ‘invested’ in the woman’s team and I imagine plenty folk will feel the same.

Seems that way. Think they could explain it’s from a different budget etc., although I think that was explained and ignored/not understood.

I guess some probably feel the same about the boys academy given it struggles to balance the books as well?

It’s good the engagement is increasing on this thread from those that don’t care though. Good opportunity to turn that into caring.

HUTCHYHIBBY
17-09-2024, 09:20 AM
Seems that way. Think they could explain it’s from a different budget etc., although I think that was explained and ignored/not understood.

I guess some probably feel the same about the boys academy given it struggles to balance the books as well?

It’s good the engagement is increasing on this thread from those that don’t care though. Good opportunity to turn that into caring.

The Academy team provides a pathway to the men's first team that the women's team doesn't, it's obviously not being utilised correctly recently but, the opportunity remains.

Danderhall Hibs
17-09-2024, 09:21 AM
The Academy team provides a pathway to the men's first team that the women's team doesn't, it's obviously not being utilised correctly recently but, the opportunity remains.

It’s supposed to but just takes money away from the first team in reality.

Groathillgrump
17-09-2024, 09:37 AM
A regular crowd at a Hibs women’s game is around 250, with a variation of 50 or so each way depending on the weather or the opposition. As there are only 499 seats at Meadowbank, it is rarely full or really close to being so.

Thanks for that answer, wallpaperman.

It does make you wonder how the women's team can grow with attendances of around 250. I'd imagine a good percentage of the crowd will be friends and family of the players too.

Would the gate money even cover the cost of renting Meadowbank on match days?



You should head along to watch them sometime. Decent team this year but one which unfortunately (much like the men's team on too many occasions to remember) had a bad day at last week's derby. As others have said, watching the women's team (particularly in recent seasons) can often salvage your mood after a crap men's result/performance.

I'd love to see women's football take off in Scotland as you can see what a successful product it's become in England. There's significant rethinking required around the structure of the game though before serious strides can be taken.

A few years ago I did actually attend a couple of the bigger games played at Easter Road but really didn't enjoy it. I'll get pelters for saying this but I thought the standard of football was really poor. Goalkeeping in particular from all the teams involved was shockingly bad. Maybe I was just unlucky with the matches I chose but nothing I saw made me want to return.

It's not for me but I wish the Hibs Women all the best and hope the rethink around the structure you mention happens sooner rather than later.

.Sean.
17-09-2024, 11:59 AM
Seems that way. Think they could explain it’s from a different budget etc., although I think that was explained and ignored/not understood.

I guess some probably feel the same about the boys academy given it struggles to balance the books as well?

It’s good the engagement is increasing on this thread from those that don’t care though. Good opportunity to turn that into caring.
Nope, funding the academy is totally different to funding the ladies team. It’s essential as it should be providing a route for players in the academy to eventually play for the first team

Danderhall Hibs
17-09-2024, 01:04 PM
Nope, funding the academy is totally different to funding the ladies team. It’s essential as it should be providing a route for players in the academy to eventually play for the first team

i understand it’s different however as one of the concerns seems to be money being diverted away from the first team and not being self sufficient etc, I’d expect some scrutiny. Is it essential? Hardly anyone comes through, does it make money?

HUTCHYHIBBY
17-09-2024, 02:48 PM
i understand it’s different however as one of the concerns seems to be money being diverted away from the first team and not being self sufficient etc, I’d expect some scrutiny. Is it essential? Hardly anyone comes through, does it make money?

The possibility remains.

Henderson2Del
17-09-2024, 02:49 PM
i understand it’s different however as one of the concerns seems to be money being diverted away from the first team and not being self sufficient etc, I’d expect some scrutiny. Is it essential? Hardly anyone comes through, does it make money?

I think a number of areas of the club need properly audited and a cost analysis done. Does the academy produce anything close to value? Does the vast increase in spend on sports science and additional coaching really give us value and additional gain? Does our board offer wide and good enough governance? Does the ceo offer £ for £ value.

I think we are a bit scattergun hence the losses and lack of progress

Danderhall Hibs
17-09-2024, 02:55 PM
I think a number of areas of the club need properly audited and a cost analysis done. Does the academy produce anything close to value? Does the vast increase in spend on sports science and additional coaching really give us value and additional gain? Does our board offer wide and good enough governance? Does the ceo offer £ for £ value.

I think we are a bit scattergun hence the losses and lack of progress

Good questions. 👍🏼

Danderhall Hibs
17-09-2024, 02:56 PM
The possibility remains.

It does - I guess it’s a cost v likelihood analysis that could be required. Someone earlier said that all areas of the club should be self sufficient.

Cammy
17-09-2024, 03:01 PM
You should head along to watch them sometime. Decent team this year but one which unfortunately (much like the men's team on too many occasions to remember) had a bad day at last week's derby. As others have said, watching the women's team (particularly in recent seasons) can often salvage your mood after a crap men's result/performance.

I'd love to see women's football take off in Scotland as you can see what a successful product it's become in England. There's significant rethinking required around the structure of the game though before serious strides can be taken.

I went with my daughter to the Hibs v Dundee Utd game a few weeks back and was pleasantly surprised by the quality Hibs showed and their constant attacking play, they look a good side. There is a very obvious gap in quality though between the top 5 teams and the rest. I would definitely go to watch them again, something I probably wouldn't have said a year or two ago.

Cammy
17-09-2024, 03:06 PM
Well of course we’d never say stop funding it, that’s because we all care about the men’s team. Same can’t be said for the ladies team, two different cases and you know it. I think a woman’s team that some at best have a passing interest in and that most couldn’t care less about should be financially viable on their own and not subsidised as much. I have absolutely nothing against the woman’s team and wish them all the best and this will probably sound harsh but I’ve no interest in seeing money that could be funnelled towards the men’s team instead ‘invested’ in the woman’s team and I imagine plenty folk will feel the same.

My understanding is that the womens team did their own fundraising for the pre season training camp so I'm not sure how much funding the club give them. I don't think it will be enough to have a great deal of effect on the Men's team budget.

easty
17-09-2024, 03:15 PM
It does - I guess it’s a cost v likelihood analysis that could be required. Someone earlier said that all areas of the club should be self sufficient.

How does the academy as a stand-alone unit of the club become self-sufficient? There's no money to be made in that area, unless we're selling on guys before they're part of the first-team.

If a player moved through to the first team and is sold, that's the first team making money, not the academy.

As it is, I'd put the academy in with the mens team as a single budget area that I'd be hoping to become self-sufficient.

Danderhall Hibs
17-09-2024, 03:21 PM
How does the academy as a stand-alone unit of the club become self-sufficient? There's no money to be made in that area, unless we're selling on guys before they're part of the first-team.

If a player moved through to the first team and is sold, that's the first team making money, not the academy.

As it is, I'd put the academy in with the mens team as a single budget area that I'd be hoping to become self-sufficient.

How much it costs vs player sales in its most basic form.

I was just taking the all areas of the club should be self sufficient suggestion and going with it - I’m not sure how many areas of the club are, especially if we lump what seems to be separate into the mens team.

There may be more to it but as I said I’d suspect costs vs value (sales plus however you judge the value of a player making the first team)

Anyway this thread is meant to be about the women’s team and it’s being derailed.

He's here!
17-09-2024, 07:54 PM
Thanks for that answer, wallpaperman.

It does make you wonder how the women's team can grow with attendances of around 250. I'd imagine a good percentage of the crowd will be friends and family of the players too.

Would the gate money even cover the cost of renting Meadowbank on match days?




A few years ago I did actually attend a couple of the bigger games played at Easter Road but really didn't enjoy it. I'll get pelters for saying this but I thought the standard of football was really poor. Goalkeeping in particular from all the teams involved was shockingly bad. Maybe I was just unlucky with the matches I chose but nothing I saw made me want to return.

It's not for me but I wish the Hibs Women all the best and hope the rethink around the structure you mention happens sooner rather than later.

Goalkeeping in the women's game has improved significantly in recent times. Hibs have a genuinely good keeper this season. She was outstanding against Celtic recently.

He's here!
17-09-2024, 08:00 PM
i understand it’s different however as one of the concerns seems to be money being diverted away from the first team and not being self sufficient etc, I’d expect some scrutiny. Is it essential? Hardly anyone comes through, does it make money?

It's clearly not essential based on the paltry number of players who have made any long term impression in the first team since its inception. It either doesn't produce more than a tiny number players of the desired standard or managers are too wary of giving the academy players a chance. If it was in any way successful we wouldn't have signed 50 (mostly bang average) players under the Gordons.

He's here!
17-09-2024, 08:05 PM
I went with my daughter to the Hibs v Dundee Utd game a few weeks back and was pleasantly surprised by the quality Hibs showed and their constant attacking play, they look a good side. There is a very obvious gap in quality though between the top 5 teams and the rest. I would definitely go to watch them again, something I probably wouldn't have said a year or two ago.

Glad to hear it.

The biggest mistake I find people make when criticising the women's game is to come at it from an unreconsructed male viewpoint (eg 'the Hibs youth team could hammer the women'). Women's football is an entity in its own right and should be assessed accordingly.

blackpoolhibs
18-09-2024, 09:41 AM
Glad to hear it.

The biggest mistake I find people make when criticising the women's game is to come at it from an unreconsructed male viewpoint (eg 'the Hibs youth team could hammer the women'). Women's football is an entity in its own right and should be assessed accordingly.

I agree 100%, where we might disagree is how it is funded.

cabbageandribs1875
22-09-2024, 02:03 PM
FT as expected Glasgow City 3 Hibernian 0, i'm saying nowt about the keeper performance, or the defending

never easy when you lose a goal after just 47 seconds

FT Spartans 3 Aberdeen 1



Hearts should give rangers a good game later

He's here!
22-09-2024, 02:26 PM
FT as expected Glasgow City 3 Hibernian 0, i'm saying nowt about the keeper performance, or the defending

never easy when you lose a goal after just 47 seconds

FT Spartans 3 Aberdeen 1



Hearts should give rangers a good game later

Thought the FT score was a bit harsh. We were still in it at 1-0 late in the game.

The Hibee Harp
22-09-2024, 03:22 PM
All three goals were bad errors but I’ve been concerned about the centre of our defence for a while and it’s proving to be a real weak spot for us.

Danderhall Hibs
22-09-2024, 05:06 PM
All three goals were bad errors but I’ve been concerned about the centre of our defence for a while and it’s proving to be a real weak spot for us.

Who played there for us today? I like Poppy Lawson but think Notley is playing out of position in there.

cabbageandribs1875
22-09-2024, 05:08 PM
Thought the FT score was a bit harsh. We were still in it at 1-0 late in the game.


we created very little up the other end, poor finishing kept it down





FT's

Queens Park 0 Motherwell 6
Hearts 0 Rangers 2
Dundee United 0 Partick Thistle 4

Celtic won the 1st leg of their CL qualifying yesterday 1-0 away

The Hibee Harp
23-09-2024, 04:32 PM
Who played there for us today? I like Poppy Lawson but think Notley is playing out of position in there.

Poppy and Shiv. Ellis was on the bench.

Danderhall Hibs
23-09-2024, 05:13 PM
Poppy and Shiv. Ellis was on the bench.

I’d play Notley ahead of Shiv even if out of position.

The Hibee Harp
23-09-2024, 06:56 PM
I’d play Notley ahead of Shiv even if out of position.

Yeah, same. Shiv has struggled in recent weeks. Ellis isn’t the longer term answer but I’d have her in there just now.

Brightside
25-09-2024, 07:44 AM
I still think Ellis is a better CB than a CM. Hibs just haven’t replaced Eddie which was odd.

cabbageandribs1875
29-09-2024, 07:41 PM
Sky Sports Cup 2nd Round

FT's

Aberdeen 2 Gartcairn 0
Queen's Park 0 Hibernian 7
Hearts 2 Glasgow City 3
Montrose 0 Celtic 7
Dundee United 0 Rangers 3
Motherwell 1 Hamilton Accies 1, Motherwell win 4-3 on penalties
Boroughmuir 8 Livingston 0
Partick Thistle 3 Spartans 2

linlithgowhibbie
30-09-2024, 04:35 PM
Sky Sports Cup 2nd Round

FT's

Aberdeen 2 Gartcairn 0
Queen's Park 0 Hibernian 7
Hearts 2 Glasgow City 3
Montrose 0 Celtic 7
Dundee United 0 Rangers 3
Motherwell 1 Hamilton Accies 1, Motherwell win 4-3 on penalties
Boroughmuir 8 Livingston 0
Partick Thistle 3 Spartans 2

Any idea when the draw for the 3rd round is?

cabbageandribs1875
30-09-2024, 04:56 PM
Any idea when the draw for the 3rd round is?


tomorrow afternoon


QF's, it's quite a quick jump :)

linlithgowhibbie
30-09-2024, 09:24 PM
tomorrow afternoon


QF's, it's quite a quick jump :)

Ta for that.

MartinfaePorty
01-10-2024, 03:56 PM
Celtic v Glasgow City
Partick Thistle v HIBS
Motherwell v Rangers
Boroughmuir Thistle v Aberdeen

linlithgowhibbie
01-10-2024, 05:09 PM
Celtic v Glasgow City
Partick Thistle v HIBS
Motherwell v Rangers
Boroughmuir Thistle v Aberdeen

Could have been a lot worse!

He's here!
02-10-2024, 05:25 PM
Could have been a lot worse!

With a bit of luck (ie beat Partick and get a favourable semi-final draw) we can hopefully reach the final. Boroughmuir and Aberdeen very beatable.

cabbageandribs1875
06-10-2024, 05:03 PM
FT's

Aberdeen 0 Glasgow City 2
Dundee United 1 Spartans 2
Hibernian 5 Montrose 1
Partick Thistle 0 Hearts 3
Rangers 2 Motherwell 0

VIP in attendance at Meadowbank

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZNRZoGW0AAI5D3?format=jpg&name=large

He's here!
14-10-2024, 01:56 PM
4-0 win for Hibs v Spartans at the weekend. Seem to have bounced back quite well after that painful derby defeat.

Brightside
14-10-2024, 02:13 PM
4-0 win for Hibs v Spartans at the weekend. Seem to have bounced back quite well after that painful derby defeat.

Spartans will struggle to stay up. Very young team now.

MartinfaePorty
20-10-2024, 04:03 PM
Hibs 1 Rangers 0 at half-time. Live on Alba.

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The Harp
20-10-2024, 04:10 PM
Hibs 1 Rangers 0 at half-time. Live on Alba.

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Girls doing well in poor conditions. Well struck penalty, and managed to hold the lead to h/t. 2nd half could be difficult - hope the girls do it.

DaveF
20-10-2024, 05:02 PM
Hibs miss a penalty, after 100 attempts at keeping the ball on the spot due to the wind.

Still 1-0 with 5 to go.

cabbageandribs1875
20-10-2024, 05:08 PM
anyone else think that miss would cost the women ?

bet365 had suspened so i couldn't get a bet on


not one hibs defender thought about closing in incase of rebound, rangers players did

Waxy
20-10-2024, 05:10 PM
Late equaliser for Rangers women.
Sack the board

DaveF
20-10-2024, 05:11 PM
How very Hibs.

They didn't deserve that but the penalty miss has done for them.

The Harp
20-10-2024, 05:20 PM
Terrific performance from the girls. They gave their all in that game against quality opposition. So unlucky with the wind affecting their 2nd penalty.

marinello59
20-10-2024, 05:28 PM
Terrific performance from the girls. They gave their all in that game against quality opposition. So unlucky with the wind affecting their 2nd penalty.

They really deserved the win. Gutted they didn’t get it.

He's here!
20-10-2024, 05:33 PM
Terrific performance from the girls. They gave their all in that game against quality opposition. So unlucky with the wind affecting their 2nd penalty.

Still a decent result. The wind was becoming a joke tho.

Dundee United 0 Glasgow City 13. I gather United had their keeper sent off right at the start so I'm guessing there was no sub keeper? Or was it just an annihilation against 10?

Whelahan 1875
20-10-2024, 08:14 PM
Shambolic ?? To me looks exactly what the team and club needs. Glad he is here. Made mistakes as we all do. Apologised. Learnt his lesson now we move on.

Still loving Malky’s work and glad he is on board? 🤔 the man is an absolute charlatan.

He's here!
21-10-2024, 08:57 AM
Still loving Malky’s work and glad he is on board? 🤔 the man is an absolute charlatan.

Has this found its way on to the wrong thread?

Oscar T Grouch
03-11-2024, 02:47 PM
McGovern Scored a 6 minute hattrick in Hibs 1-7 away defeat of Aberdeen women :thumbsup:

andyf5
03-11-2024, 05:57 PM
McGovern Scored a 6 minute hattrick in Hibs 1-7 away defeat of Aberdeen women :thumbsup:

I was wishing I was at that game today.

cabbageandribs1875
03-11-2024, 07:12 PM
of course

Edinburgh derby in Women's Scottish Cup, Rangers meet Westdyke, Celtic at Glasgow G&W - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cdd02347gqdo)

Hearts will host Edinburgh rivals Hibernian in the third round of the Women's Scottish Cup.

Last season's finalists Hearts won the most recent meeting of the sides in the SWPL, 4-0 in September.

lugz
10-11-2024, 01:41 PM
4-1 up away to Partick in the cup. The pride of the club, everything the mens team aren't at the moment.

He's here!
10-11-2024, 02:30 PM
4-1 up away to Partick in the cup. The pride of the club, everything the mens team aren't at the moment.

Excellent.

They should move the women to ER and make the men's team play at Meadowbank.

cabbageandribs1875
10-11-2024, 05:59 PM
QF FT's

Partick Thistle 1 Hibernian 4...another McGovern hat trick
Boroughmuir 1 Aberdeen 3
Celtic o Glasgow City 0-0 after 90 mins and ET, Celtic win 4-3 on penalties


Rangers beat Motherwell 8-1 yesterday

Sloop67
10-11-2024, 07:07 PM
Semi Final draw on Tuesday afternoon

wallpaperman
12-11-2024, 02:34 PM
Semi Final draw on Tuesday afternoon

Hibs v Aberdeen, lovely.

Makes up for the tough Scottish Cup draw to some extent, swings and roundabouts I guess.

wookie70
12-11-2024, 02:44 PM
Hibs v Aberdeen, lovely.

Makes up for the tough Scottish Cup draw to some extent, swings and roundabouts I guess.

Just saw that. Great chance to get to the final

Sloop67
12-11-2024, 09:18 PM
Hibs v Aberdeen, lovely.

Makes up for the tough Scottish Cup draw to some extent, swings and roundabouts I guess.

Thats the best we could have hoped for .

lugz
12-11-2024, 10:23 PM
It says its a home match on Instagram or will we be the "home" team at a neutral venue?

Chorley Hibee
13-11-2024, 06:54 AM
It says its a home match on Instagram or will we be the "home" team at a neutral venue?

Hibs are at home, it's not played at a neutral venue.

He's here!
13-11-2024, 07:38 AM
Just saw that. Great chance to get to the final

Be good to get a decent turnout of fans for what is a bright moment amid a lot of gloom at Hibs right now.

plhibs
13-11-2024, 08:01 PM
Be good to get a decent turnout of fans for what is a bright moment amid a lot of gloom at Hibs right now.

Can/would they play at Easter Road?

Tambo
17-11-2024, 03:07 PM
Just tuned in on the iPlayer, Mon the Hibees.

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 03:12 PM
surprisingly hibs are favourites for this

Squealing pig
17-11-2024, 03:15 PM
Mon the hibs show the guys how it’s done

Hamish
17-11-2024, 03:16 PM
surprisingly hibs are favourites for this

I thought that was very strange as well

wookie70
17-11-2024, 03:19 PM
We have started very well. Pressing so high up the park and in numbers and winning all the battles. They are like the polar opposite to teh men and look like they actually want the ball. Need to get a goal as I can't see that intensity lasting but exactly how you should start a derby

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 03:23 PM
wonder what attendance they will give for this, heartz said during the week they had already sold 6,500 tickets and hopeful of surpassing the record 8,3++ at ER

oconnors_strip
17-11-2024, 04:00 PM
wonder what attendance they will give for this, heartz said during the week they had already sold 6,500 tickets and hopeful of surpassing the record 8,3++ at ER

Lots of tickets given away to clubs but obviously not getting used in the main stand.

He's here!
17-11-2024, 04:03 PM
wonder what attendance they will give for this, heartz said during the week they had already sold 6,500 tickets and hopeful of surpassing the record 8,3++ at ER

My sons primary school used to get a lot of tickets for these games when he was there but only a very small number of the kids and their families used them.

heretoday
17-11-2024, 04:04 PM
You can see what they're trying to do but they lack the skills and physicality to do it.

So there are several misplaced passes, balls given away etc. The game will probably be won on some horrendous defensive error or suchlike.

JohnM1875
17-11-2024, 04:06 PM
My sons primary school used to get a lot of tickets for these games when he was there but only a very small number of the kids and their families used them.

Based on that first half viewing no wonder.

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 04:16 PM
Lots of tickets given away to clubs but obviously not getting used in the main stand.


My sons primary school used to get a lot of tickets for these games when he was there but only a very small number of the kids and their families used them.


i was surprised the article actually said Tickets SOLD, i thought some sponsor gives away tickets for these games, i'm sure that's the case for games at ER anyway :hmmm:


i'm sure the article was wrong now

wookie70
17-11-2024, 04:20 PM
Really should be in front here. Two or three very good chances

Squealing pig
17-11-2024, 04:23 PM
Goalie would get a game for David gray sign her up

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 04:25 PM
hope we're not going to regret those missed chances


gaun the wimmin 1-0 80 mins

gordie18
17-11-2024, 04:50 PM
Recurring theme here but this referee is an imposter [emoji23]


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DaveF
17-11-2024, 04:53 PM
Looked well offside but the goal stands.

Pretty Boy
17-11-2024, 04:54 PM
Goalie would get a game for David gray sign her up

She's done really well claiming high balls into the box. Another one there where she looked very comfortable.

e2los
17-11-2024, 04:56 PM
Looked well offside but the goal stands.

Makes a nice change..

Great way to hopefully win against them.

Pretty Boy
17-11-2024, 04:56 PM
Not playing advantage here?

bringbackbenny
17-11-2024, 04:57 PM
Looked well offside but the goal stands.

Think the current rules are as the defender attempted to play the ball the attacker is onside? Regardless of originally being in offside position when ball originally played forward.

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 04:58 PM
Reily fk hits the Roseburn Bar

JohnM1875
17-11-2024, 04:58 PM
Think the current rules are as the defender attempted to play the ball the attacker is onside? Regardless of originally being in offside position when ball originally played forward.

What? When did that come in? That’s a mental rule that will only further complicate things.

Chorley Hibee
17-11-2024, 04:59 PM
Recurring theme here but this referee is an imposter [emoji23]


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She's dreadful.

DaveF
17-11-2024, 05:00 PM
Think the current rules are as the defender attempted to play the ball the attacker is onside? Regardless of originally being in offside position when ball originally played forward.

Really, I never knew that. In that case, she was a country mile onside 😃

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 05:01 PM
3 mins added

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 05:04 PM
revenge for ER

one point behind hearts, level on points and GD with Celtic



actually, celtic got beat earlier 3-2 so i think hibs ahead on GD, need to see updated table

JohnM1875
17-11-2024, 05:05 PM
wonder what attendance they will give for this, heartz said during the week they had already sold 6,500 tickets and hopeful of surpassing the record 8,3++ at ER

5,132

Tambo
17-11-2024, 05:05 PM
Deserved win for the ladies, well done.

HH81
17-11-2024, 05:06 PM
Good win

Sheffhibee
17-11-2024, 05:07 PM
The ladies showing the guys how to manage the game to a narrow win

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 05:07 PM
5,132


half must have been outside then :greengrin

Hamish
17-11-2024, 05:08 PM
I thought that was very strange as well

Shows what I know. Bookies correct.

Viva_Palmeiras
17-11-2024, 05:08 PM
Well deserved from what I saw. Well taken goal - came off the Jambo so no offside iirc nice!

wookie70
17-11-2024, 05:08 PM
Should have won more comfortably but the main thing is the win. Hopefully overtake them in the league before the end of the season

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 05:09 PM
Shows what I know. Bookies correct.


Bookies know what's going on :greengrin

Houston7
17-11-2024, 05:09 PM
Looked well offside but the goal stands.

It certainly looked to be, but as a former referee, I don’t really understand the current rules. Mind you, players would say I never did! I had real interest in the goal in that my son was one of Rosie’s first coaches in Musselburgh.

scm70nyd1973
17-11-2024, 05:09 PM
The ladies showing the guys how to manage the game to a narrow win

Cheered me up no end - looking at a full time result at Tiny with the wonderful green side of Edinburgh prevailing will always make me happy - so get it right roon ye ya bunch of Poppy Pilferers 🤭

Viva_Palmeiras
17-11-2024, 05:09 PM
Did Grant Scott used to manage us before?

stalbanshibby
17-11-2024, 05:12 PM
Did I hear BBC right that Hibs ladies recruited well in the summer?? Grant Scott to the men's team.

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 05:14 PM
Did Grant Scott used to manage us before?


yep

CapitalGreen
17-11-2024, 05:15 PM
You can see what they're trying to do but they lack the skills and physicality to do it.

So there are several misplaced passes, balls given away etc. The game will probably be won on some horrendous defensive error or suchlike.

So just like the men’s team then minus the part about being able to see what they are trying to do.

cabbageandribs1875
17-11-2024, 05:17 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcmwHcFXsAA5AU_?format=png&name=4096x4096

scm70nyd1973
17-11-2024, 05:18 PM
So just like the men’s team then minus the part about being able to see what they are trying to do.

Brilliant response - sadly a bit true 😬☹️