Hibs Women

[Malthibby]

Don't worry it doesn't













Your season ticket money goes to Harry McKirdy.

:faf::faf:.....cheeap but very funny.......

[Danderhall Hibs]

I’m well aware of how budgets work.

You haven’t explained where the source of the money to be separated into specific budgets, which is how you spend the money you have, has come from.

The Gordons and other share issues. Mens first team aren’t self sustaining so we’re always tapping cash from there.

[TrinityHFC]

The Gordons and other share issues. Mens first team aren’t self sustaining so we’re always tapping cash from there.

Which is kind of the wrong answer. That’s money that could be spent on the men’s team.

To be self funding it needs money that is completely sourced purely from and for the activities of the women’s team.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Which is kind of the wrong answer. That’s money that could be spent on the men’s team.

To be self funding it needs money that is completely sourced purely from and for the activities of the women’s team.

If the Gordon want to put money in for the women’s team it’s not related to the men’s team. I’m struggling to get what your point t is other than you don’t want women to be part of the club.

[Eyrie]

Surely you can see that there's a direct pathway from those two teams that can feed into the men's first team.

Surely you agree that "they contribute little to the men's first team"?

What benefit have we had from Mackay, Tait, Delferriere, Henderson, McLelland, Kenneh etc?

[Eyrie]

Which is kind of the wrong answer. That’s money that could be spent on the men’s team.

To be self funding it needs money that is completely sourced purely from and for the activities of the women’s team.

Last time I looked we're Hibernian Football Club, not Hibernian Men's Football Club.

Just saying.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Surely you agree that "they contribute little to the men's first team"?

What benefit have we had from Mackay, Tait, Delferriere, Henderson, McLelland, Kenneh etc?

The possibility exists though.

[Pretty Boy]

Women's football isn't about the bottom line right now and whilst I am critical of the current custodians of the club in other areas the fact they seem to grasp this is laudable and encouraging.

You have to consider that we are realistically only in the 2nd generation of women's football as a serious spectator and participation sport. The game was de facto banned in several countries, Scotland included, until fairly recently. There is a clear direction of travel worldwide and that is upwards; Scotland can either get on board with that or much like the men's game get left behind. Given the tendency of Scottish football fans towards the small c conservative I feel there is an inevitability about it being the latter.

It's not about the women's game somehow supplanting the men's team but rather one that compliments it as part of a holistic one club approach. The club aggressively marketed the men's team towards women in the early 00s and you only have to look around you at Easter Road these days to see the success of that. There are a myriad of reasons why our crowds are up significantly on the 80s and 90s but at least part of the reason is the higher percentage of women now attending games.

The aggressive marketing of the women's game has had similar success elsewhere. England reached the final of the Euros in 2009 and the semi final that year attracted 2000 fans, the final 15K. Contrast that to 2022 in England. 70K at Old Trafford for the opening game, 30K at both the quarter and semi finals and close to 90K at the final. That has started to filter down the club game as well; 5 years ago Man Utd women attacted an average crowd of 2000, the last 2 seasons it has been just over 10K. A 500% increase in half a decade. Man City are averaging 7K up from just over 1K 6 years ago. I'm aware those average are skewed by massive crowds for derbies played at Old Trafford and the Etihad but why shouldn't they count? It's games that people made the choice and effort to go out and attend.

The transfer feeds paid in the women's game is on the same trajectory. From 2002 to 2020 the increase in the record fee was £50K. In the 4 years since 2000 that record has been broken year on year and increased by 71% in only 18 months. The decade of the first million pound women's player is already here, it's a matter of time now.

Add in the fact that the standard of the game has improved dramatically in the last decade, anyone arguing otherwise is seeing what they want to see. Leaving tired comparisons with the men's game aside and comparing it solely against the women's game from 10 years ago and it's an inarguable fact. It's that marketing and investment that is causation for that increase in standard.

All of that comes together to make the game more attractive to sponsors, more attractive to TV companies and more attractive to the paying public. Of course it's not directly comparable to the men's game but it only seems to be critics who want to make that the case. It's shouldn't be comparable though because for all the increases in investment the money spent on players, on infrastructure, on marketing and so on is a fraction of what is spent on the men's game.

The bottom line right now is only part of it. If I was to say that the Hibs boys academy was a total waste of time and money because in the last 10 years we have had Josh Campbell and Ryan Porteous to show for millions of pounds spent on it, directly and indirectly, then I'd be rightly shouted down and called short sighted. The women's game is (very) broadly the same, it's not about a return on a pretty minuscule investment right now, it's about being able to think about 10-20 years in the future and where we will be if the growth of the game globally continues at the same rate.

[Chipper1875]

You don't pay 500k to run them. Important that people stop making stuff up on this subject. Its all very Farage.

We do . Important people stop
Making stuff up

[Chipper1875]

If the Gordon want to put money in for the women’s team it’s not related to the men’s team. I’m struggling to get what your point t is other than you don’t want women to be part of the club.

There’s not separate bank accounts or separate accounts. Gordon’s aren’t putting the money in . Hibs fans are and money going into the men’s team which is Hibernian football club . Without a doubt people think mens fitba

[Danderhall Hibs]

There’s not separate bank accounts or separate accounts. Gordon’s aren’t putting the money in . Hibs fans are and money going into the men’s team which is Hibernian football club . Without a doubt people think mens fitba

The Gordon’s have been throwing money at it and they’ve decided they want to fund a women’s team. That’s up to them.

[Chipper1875]

50 number is nonsense so you clearly don't go to the games.

Its another way to get them hooked. Not all young girls want to go with Dad to watch men play football. But plenty enjoy the women games. Its a starting point.

I say not all as my daughter was watching Men's football from 5 and didnt see a girls game till 7. Wasn't hard to get her hooked as she has been playing the game since 5. I have a neighbour who takes his daughter to all the womens games, but she doesnt like the mens games yet. That will come. So in short YES it could benefit attendance at Mens games.

I
Walked along marionville and stoped and counted people
In the stand at meadowbank for Sunday preseason friendly. Less than
50.

I go on YouTube and sometimes less than 100 viewers . Hibs u15s would
Wipe the floor with womens team
.

[WeAreHibs]

If it paves the way for professional walking football we might be in there?

Why don't we have walking football games at ER while we're at?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why don't we have walking football games at ER while we're at?

We do. St Mirren and Aberdeen at home in 2024.

[flash]

We do. St Mirren and Aberdeen at home in 2024.

Well one team was at least.

[HTD1875]

The girls academy is a complete shambles which doesn’t help. Hibs girls train all over Edinburgh there is no connection to the club. Local clubs run by volunteers are far more organised.

Hate to say it but Hearts have a proper set up with experienced coaches and scouts at local games. It is starting to pay off as they have numerous girls in the first team and Scotland Youth set up. This weekends results tell the story.

RESULTS - Sun 9 Jun 2024

18s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hibernian 2-7 Hearts

16s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hearts 5-1 Hibernian

14s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hearts 7-0 Hibernian

[Danderhall Hibs]

The girls academy is a complete shambles which doesn’t help. Hibs girls train all over Edinburgh there is no connection to the club. Local clubs run by volunteers are far more organised.

Hate to say it but Hearts have a proper set up with experienced coaches and scouts at local games. It is starting to pay off as they have numerous girls in the first team and Scotland Youth set up. This weekends results tell the story.

RESULTS - Sun 9 Jun 2024

18s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hibernian 2-7 Hearts

16s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hearts 5-1 Hibernian

14s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hearts 7-0 Hibernian

They don’t anymore - HTC and Meadowbank only.

No denying those results though - the club have been moving promising players up age groups early however this effectively weakens 2 teams. No doubt Hearts treat it more seriously at the minute though.

The 18s aren’t great and it’s unlikely any will make the first team - they were under the community wing for years and the head of the girls academy at the time neglected the competitive side in favour of the “football for everyone” approach - the club are now feeling the effect of that neglect.

[wallpaperman]

The girls academy is a complete shambles which doesn’t help. Hibs girls train all over Edinburgh there is no connection to the club. Local clubs run by volunteers are far more organised.

Hate to say it but Hearts have a proper set up with experienced coaches and scouts at local games. It is starting to pay off as they have numerous girls in the first team and Scotland Youth set up. This weekends results tell the story.

RESULTS - Sun 9 Jun 2024

18s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hibernian 2-7 Hearts

16s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hearts 5-1 Hibernian

14s NextGen Performance League - Cat 1
Hearts 7-0 Hibernian

That 14’s result from the weekend is a bit of an outlier, that age group have some very decent players and have done well this season. A couple have moved up early to the 16’s, therefore weakening the younger team.

[He's here!]

Women's football isn't about the bottom line right now and whilst I am critical of the current custodians of the club in other areas the fact they seem to grasp this is laudable and encouraging.

You have to consider that we are realistically only in the 2nd generation of women's football as a serious spectator and participation sport. The game was de facto banned in several countries, Scotland included, until fairly recently. There is a clear direction of travel worldwide and that is upwards; Scotland can either get on board with that or much like the men's game get left behind. Given the tendency of Scottish football fans towards the small c conservative I feel there is an inevitability about it being the latter.

It's not about the women's game somehow supplanting the men's team but rather one that compliments it as part of a holistic one club approach. The club aggressively marketed the men's team towards women in the early 00s and you only have to look around you at Easter Road these days to see the success of that. There are a myriad of reasons why our crowds are up significantly on the 80s and 90s but at least part of the reason is the higher percentage of women now attending games.

The aggressive marketing of the women's game has had similar success elsewhere. England reached the final of the Euros in 2009 and the semi final that year attracted 2000 fans, the final 15K. Contrast that to 2022 in England. 70K at Old Trafford for the opening game, 30K at both the quarter and semi finals and close to 90K at the final. That has started to filter down the club game as well; 5 years ago Man Utd women attacted an average crowd of 2000, the last 2 seasons it has been just over 10K. A 500% increase in half a decade. Man City are averaging 7K up from just over 1K 6 years ago. I'm aware those average are skewed by massive crowds for derbies played at Old Trafford and the Etihad but why shouldn't they count? It's games that people made the choice and effort to go out and attend.

The transfer feeds paid in the women's game is on the same trajectory. From 2002 to 2020 the increase in the record fee was £50K. In the 4 years since 2000 that record has been broken year on year and increased by 71% in only 18 months. The decade of the first million pound women's player is already here, it's a matter of time now.

Add in the fact that the standard of the game has improved dramatically in the last decade, anyone arguing otherwise is seeing what they want to see. Leaving tired comparisons with the men's game aside and comparing it solely against the women's game from 10 years ago and it's an inarguable fact. It's that marketing and investment that is causation for that increase in standard.

All of that comes together to make the game more attractive to sponsors, more attractive to TV companies and more attractive to the paying public. Of course it's not directly comparable to the men's game but it only seems to be critics who want to make that the case. It's shouldn't be comparable though because for all the increases in investment the money spent on players, on infrastructure, on marketing and so on is a fraction of what is spent on the men's game.

The bottom line right now is only part of it. If I was to say that the Hibs boys academy was a total waste of time and money because in the last 10 years we have had Josh Campbell and Ryan Porteous to show for millions of pounds spent on it, directly and indirectly, then I'd be rightly shouted down and called short sighted. The women's game is (very) broadly the same, it's not about a return on a pretty minuscule investment right now, it's about being able to think about 10-20 years in the future and where we will be if the growth of the game globally continues at the same rate.

Very good post.

[McD]

You are just being daft now, my season ticket up until recently went towards helping the football team have success, the mens team.

Now we have a womans team, not a problem as some would like you to think, but they do recieve money from the pot that used to be just for the men.

I just feel they should fund their own team, it's that simple.



So it’s not Hibernian Football Club, it’s Hibernian Mens Football Club? I assume you’d be happy for all the female fans to stop paying for a season ticket to watch the men’s team and pay that money into the women’s team then?

They’d be funding ‘their own team’ (very inclusive language btw), and the men’s team would suffer, but no money from the men’s team would be paying towards the women

[McD]

All that stuff supports the men’s team. Same with the academy. Why would anyone have an issue with that?



Does it though? What does the social media output do to support the men’s team, that directly improves things on the park? What about the cleaners?


I’m making an extreme point because for some, there seems to be an issue with any funding supporting the womens team

[Chipper1875]

So it’s not Hibernian Football Club, it’s Hibernian Mens Football Club? I assume you’d be happy for all the female fans to stop paying for a season ticket to watch the men’s team and pay that money into the women’s team then?

They’d be funding ‘their own team’ (very inclusive language btw), and the men’s team would suffer, but no money from the men’s team would be paying towards the women

I have family female members who are season ticket holders . First women’s game was Bayern Munich. Took them to free games against the hertz . They think women’s fitba is poor .

I’m lost why you’d think females would stop buying their season ticket .

[McD]

Women's football isn't about the bottom line right now and whilst I am critical of the current custodians of the club in other areas the fact they seem to grasp this is laudable and encouraging.

You have to consider that we are realistically only in the 2nd generation of women's football as a serious spectator and participation sport. The game was de facto banned in several countries, Scotland included, until fairly recently. There is a clear direction of travel worldwide and that is upwards; Scotland can either get on board with that or much like the men's game get left behind. Given the tendency of Scottish football fans towards the small c conservative I feel there is an inevitability about it being the latter.

It's not about the women's game somehow supplanting the men's team but rather one that compliments it as part of a holistic one club approach. The club aggressively marketed the men's team towards women in the early 00s and you only have to look around you at Easter Road these days to see the success of that. There are a myriad of reasons why our crowds are up significantly on the 80s and 90s but at least part of the reason is the higher percentage of women now attending games.

The aggressive marketing of the women's game has had similar success elsewhere. England reached the final of the Euros in 2009 and the semi final that year attracted 2000 fans, the final 15K. Contrast that to 2022 in England. 70K at Old Trafford for the opening game, 30K at both the quarter and semi finals and close to 90K at the final. That has started to filter down the club game as well; 5 years ago Man Utd women attacted an average crowd of 2000, the last 2 seasons it has been just over 10K. A 500% increase in half a decade. Man City are averaging 7K up from just over 1K 6 years ago. I'm aware those average are skewed by massive crowds for derbies played at Old Trafford and the Etihad but why shouldn't they count? It's games that people made the choice and effort to go out and attend.

The transfer feeds paid in the women's game is on the same trajectory. From 2002 to 2020 the increase in the record fee was £50K. In the 4 years since 2000 that record has been broken year on year and increased by 71% in only 18 months. The decade of the first million pound women's player is already here, it's a matter of time now.

Add in the fact that the standard of the game has improved dramatically in the last decade, anyone arguing otherwise is seeing what they want to see. Leaving tired comparisons with the men's game aside and comparing it solely against the women's game from 10 years ago and it's an inarguable fact. It's that marketing and investment that is causation for that increase in standard.

All of that comes together to make the game more attractive to sponsors, more attractive to TV companies and more attractive to the paying public. Of course it's not directly comparable to the men's game but it only seems to be critics who want to make that the case. It's shouldn't be comparable though because for all the increases in investment the money spent on players, on infrastructure, on marketing and so on is a fraction of what is spent on the men's game.

The bottom line right now is only part of it. If I was to say that the Hibs boys academy was a total waste of time and money because in the last 10 years we have had Josh Campbell and Ryan Porteous to show for millions of pounds spent on it, directly and indirectly, then I'd be rightly shouted down and called short sighted. The women's game is (very) broadly the same, it's not about a return on a pretty minuscule investment right now, it's about being able to think about 10-20 years in the future and where we will be if the growth of the game globally continues at the same rate.



Fantastic post PB :thumbsup:

[Brightside]

When you say a different budget where does that money come from?

A lot of funding from Leslie Robb. Who has just pumped more money into the club. I think he should have more say on where they money goes rather than people on a message board.

Personally I think the standing section is a massive waste of money - but its up to the club to decide how they spend funds.

[McD]

I have family female members who are season ticket holders . First women’s game was Bayern Munich. Took them to free games against the hertz . They think women’s fitba is poor .

I’m lost why you’d think females would stop buying their season ticket .



I’m not saying I think they will, I have no doubts that they wouldn’t.

I was making a point to the previous poster that by their logic, they’d be happy if female fans only put money into the female team, since that’s ’their own team’, and then no money would be spent (allegedly) from the men’s team budget on the women’s team. The men’s team would be worse off, but as long as they’re not funding the women’s team, the poster would be happy that his season ticket money is only funding the men’s team.


As to your other point, you have an extremely small sample size of women who think women’s football is poor. Are you suggesting we should just shut down women’s football?

[Brightside]

Women's football isn't about the bottom line right now and whilst I am critical of the current custodians of the club in other areas the fact they seem to grasp this is laudable and encouraging.

You have to consider that we are realistically only in the 2nd generation of women's football as a serious spectator and participation sport. The game was de facto banned in several countries, Scotland included, until fairly recently. There is a clear direction of travel worldwide and that is upwards; Scotland can either get on board with that or much like the men's game get left behind. Given the tendency of Scottish football fans towards the small c conservative I feel there is an inevitability about it being the latter.

It's not about the women's game somehow supplanting the men's team but rather one that compliments it as part of a holistic one club approach. The club aggressively marketed the men's team towards women in the early 00s and you only have to look around you at Easter Road these days to see the success of that. There are a myriad of reasons why our crowds are up significantly on the 80s and 90s but at least part of the reason is the higher percentage of women now attending games.

The aggressive marketing of the women's game has had similar success elsewhere. England reached the final of the Euros in 2009 and the semi final that year attracted 2000 fans, the final 15K. Contrast that to 2022 in England. 70K at Old Trafford for the opening game, 30K at both the quarter and semi finals and close to 90K at the final. That has started to filter down the club game as well; 5 years ago Man Utd women attacted an average crowd of 2000, the last 2 seasons it has been just over 10K. A 500% increase in half a decade. Man City are averaging 7K up from just over 1K 6 years ago. I'm aware those average are skewed by massive crowds for derbies played at Old Trafford and the Etihad but why shouldn't they count? It's games that people made the choice and effort to go out and attend.

The transfer feeds paid in the women's game is on the same trajectory. From 2002 to 2020 the increase in the record fee was £50K. In the 4 years since 2000 that record has been broken year on year and increased by 71% in only 18 months. The decade of the first million pound women's player is already here, it's a matter of time now.

Add in the fact that the standard of the game has improved dramatically in the last decade, anyone arguing otherwise is seeing what they want to see. Leaving tired comparisons with the men's game aside and comparing it solely against the women's game from 10 years ago and it's an inarguable fact. It's that marketing and investment that is causation for that increase in standard.

All of that comes together to make the game more attractive to sponsors, more attractive to TV companies and more attractive to the paying public. Of course it's not directly comparable to the men's game but it only seems to be critics who want to make that the case. It's shouldn't be comparable though because for all the increases in investment the money spent on players, on infrastructure, on marketing and so on is a fraction of what is spent on the men's game.

The bottom line right now is only part of it. If I was to say that the Hibs boys academy was a total waste of time and money because in the last 10 years we have had Josh Campbell and Ryan Porteous to show for millions of pounds spent on it, directly and indirectly, then I'd be rightly shouted down and called short sighted. The women's game is (very) broadly the same, it's not about a return on a pretty minuscule investment right now, it's about being able to think about 10-20 years in the future and where we will be if the growth of the game globally continues at the same rate.


TBH I think the club is making an absolute pigs tits of woman's football. They could start with making it someones job rather than just a side hustle for the Operations Manager. (or before that weirdly the Finance Manager). The decision making on signings and contracts leaves a lot to be desired and decisions made on where to play games has been equally baffling. Much of the issues we seem to have with the mens team seem to be mirrored in the way we run the womens section from top to bottom. BUT again if you pay very little you get very little back.

[Brightside]

I
Walked along marionville and stoped and counted people
In the stand at meadowbank for Sunday preseason friendly. Less than
50.

I go on YouTube and sometimes less than 100 viewers . Hibs u15s would
Wipe the floor with womens team
.

Are you ok. Did you really do that? Counted people at a pre season friendly?

How do you count the fans from YouTube when the camera is in with the fans?

And then you come out with the classic the boys would beat the women....so what. Its not news that males are stronger than females. Your female relatives must love these lovely chats you have with them. Inspiring.

Seems very odd to go out of your way to dislike something so much that doesnt affect you in any way.

[blackpoolhibs]

So it’s not Hibernian Football Club, it’s Hibernian Mens Football Club? I assume you’d be happy for all the female fans to stop paying for a season ticket to watch the men’s team and pay that money into the women’s team then?

They’d be funding ‘their own team’ (very inclusive language btw), and the men’s team would suffer, but no money from the men’s team would be paying towards the women

If they wanted to do that, it would be fine by me, is that happening?

[Chipper1875]

Are you ok. Did you really do that? Counted people at a pre season friendly?

How do you count the fans from YouTube when the camera is in with the fans?

And then you come out with the classic the boys would beat the women....so what. Its not news that males are stronger than females. Your female relatives must love these lovely chats you have with them. Inspiring.

Seems very odd to go out of your way to dislike something so much that doesnt affect you in any way.
Sill sausage. It tells you on YouTube how many people are viewing.

I suggest you don’t reference what chats have or don’t have. We certainly don’t discuss women’s fitba.

Took litterly no time at all to see how poor the crowd was . And it’s a waste of time. Put it back under the community banner. Let the women have fun. Don’t pretend it’s a viable profession

[Malthibby]

Sill sausage. It tells you on YouTube how many people are viewing.

I suggest you don’t reference what chats have or don’t have. We certainly don’t discuss women’s fitba.

Took litterly no time at all to see how poor the crowd was. And it’s a waste of time. Put it back under the community banner. Let the women have fun. Don’t pretend it’s a viable profession


Dearie me.
If it's viable elsewhere it can be viable here, so no-one's pretending anything.
There will be mis-steps & there will be a period of time when the figures don't add up.
To dismiss women's football ('Let the women have fun.' :rolleyes:) like this is short sighted and just a bit sad.

[He's here!]

Sill sausage. It tells you on YouTube how many people are viewing.

I suggest you don’t reference what chats have or don’t have. We certainly don’t discuss women’s fitba.

Took litterly no time at all to see how poor the crowd was . And it’s a waste of time. Put it back under the community banner. Let the women have fun. Don’t pretend it’s a viable profession

Are you referring to Scottish women's football or women's football general (which is proving around the globe that it's a viable profession)? Just look at the crowds for last year's World Cup or for the recent Australia games Forza Fred mentions. England sell out Wembley for Lionesses games, while IIRC the most recent Arsenal v Spurs women's London derby pulled in nearly 50k. Arsenal women, incidentally, average circa 35k for home games - double what Hibs men pull in on a good day.

The narrow-minded 'lassies cannae play fitba' mentality from some towards a game which, as Pretty Boy points out, has made some giant strides in recent years, is pretty sad.

It does seem odd, though, that you'd bother checking the numbers watching Hibs women on YouTube if the game is such 'a waste of time'.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hibernian Women have confirmed the signing of midfielder Linzi Taylor on a two-year deal.

On her move to the club, Linzi said: “I’m delighted to be here; I know that Hibs is a massive Club in Scottish Football and I’m over the moon to be signing here."

A player most associated with Partick Thistle – Linzi joined the Glasgow outfit in January 2022, playing 84 times for the club, scoring 13 times and establishing herself in the first-team squad.

[cabbageandribs1875]

change of league format for season 25/26, two leagues of Ten

Changes to SWPL competition format confirmed | Scottish Women's Premier League (https://swpl.uk/news/changes-to-swpl-competition-format-confirmed/)

[Paul1642]

This isn’t a criticism of Hibs as it’s universal but why do woman’s teams need to be Hibs woman’s, or Heart Woman’s, Manchester United Woman’s or any other club worldwide woman’s.

Why can they just be their own separate entity who forge their own path. Glasgow City seem to be the exemption this and will no doubt get left behind eventually through no fault of their own.

This ain’t an anti woman’s football post but rather the opposite. At the moment they will never truly be masters of their own destiny. A woman’s club could be well funded right now and perform really well yet if their male namesakes suffer back to back relegations they will suffer through association, and likewise the same clubs competitor’s men’s side have a Leicester 2016 like season and their woman’s side gain massively though no hard work of their own.

I don’t see any need for the means game and woman’s game to share domestic clubs.

[Haymaker]

This isn’t a criticism of Hibs as it’s universal but why do woman’s teams need to be Hibs woman’s, or Heart Woman’s, Manchester United Woman’s or any other club worldwide woman’s.

Why can they just be their own separate entity who forge their own path. Glasgow City seem to be the exemption this and will no doubt get left behind eventually through no fault of their own.

This ain’t an anti woman’s football post but rather the opposite. At the moment they will never truly be masters of their own destiny. A woman’s club could be well funded right now and perform really well yet if their male namesakes suffer back to back relegations they will suffer through association, and likewise the same clubs competitor’s men’s side have a Leicester 2016 like season and their woman’s side gain massively though no hard work of their own.

I don’t see any need for the means game and woman’s game to share domestic clubs.Because why not? As a Hibs fan, I follow both men and women's teams. Because I am a Hibs fan.

Man or Woman, you put on a Hibs shirt and I'll support you.




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[cubehindthegoal]

This isn’t a criticism of Hibs as it’s universal but why do woman’s teams need to be Hibs woman’s, or Heart Woman’s, Manchester United Woman’s or any other club worldwide woman’s.

Why can they just be their own separate entity who forge their own path. Glasgow City seem to be the exemption this and will no doubt get left behind eventually through no fault of their own.

This ain’t an anti woman’s football post but rather the opposite. At the moment they will never truly be masters of their own destiny. A woman’s club could be well funded right now and perform really well yet if their male namesakes suffer back to back relegations they will suffer through association, and likewise the same clubs competitor’s men’s side have a Leicester 2016 like season and their woman’s side gain massively though no hard work of their own.

I don’t see any need for the means game and woman’s game to share domestic clubs.

Aren’t women choosing what they want, and doing? That’s what I’ve seen of our players in women’s football in Scotland.

[He's here!]

This isn’t a criticism of Hibs as it’s universal but why do woman’s teams need to be Hibs woman’s, or Heart Woman’s, Manchester United Woman’s or any other club worldwide woman’s.

Why can they just be their own separate entity who forge their own path. Glasgow City seem to be the exemption this and will no doubt get left behind eventually through no fault of their own.

This ain’t an anti woman’s football post but rather the opposite. At the moment they will never truly be masters of their own destiny. A woman’s club could be well funded right now and perform really well yet if their male namesakes suffer back to back relegations they will suffer through association, and likewise the same clubs competitor’s men’s side have a Leicester 2016 like season and their woman’s side gain massively though no hard work of their own.

I don’t see any need for the means game and woman’s game to share domestic clubs.

Until Celtic and Rangers got heavily involved in women's football, Hibs women were vastly more successful than the men's team. They didn't seem to 'suffer through association' as they won a barrowload of trophies and played in the Champions League.

[Brightside]

This isn’t a criticism of Hibs as it’s universal but why do woman’s teams need to be Hibs woman’s, or Heart Woman’s, Manchester United Woman’s or any other club worldwide woman’s.

Why can they just be their own separate entity who forge their own path. Glasgow City seem to be the exemption this and will no doubt get left behind eventually through no fault of their own.

This ain’t an anti woman’s football post but rather the opposite. At the moment they will never truly be masters of their own destiny. A woman’s club could be well funded right now and perform really well yet if their male namesakes suffer back to back relegations they will suffer through association, and likewise the same clubs competitor’s men’s side have a Leicester 2016 like season and their woman’s side gain massively though no hard work of their own.

I don’t see any need for the means game and woman’s game to share domestic clubs.

This is up there for one of the oddest takes on this threads and there has been plenty.

[He's here!]

This is up there for one of the oddest takes on this threads and there has been plenty.

Did my best to try and understand it but not sure I did.

[Forza Fred]

This isn’t a criticism of Hibs as it’s universal but why do woman’s teams need to be Hibs woman’s, or Heart Woman’s, Manchester United Woman’s or any other club worldwide woman’s.

Why can they just be their own separate entity who forge their own path. Glasgow City seem to be the exemption this and will no doubt get left behind eventually through no fault of their own.

This ain’t an anti woman’s football post but rather the opposite. At the moment they will never truly be masters of their own destiny. A woman’s club could be well funded right now and perform really well yet if their male namesakes suffer back to back relegations they will suffer through association, and likewise the same clubs competitor’s men’s side have a Leicester 2016 like season and their woman’s side gain massively though no hard work of their own.

I don’t see any need for the means game and woman’s game to share domestic clubs.

There isn’t a ‘need’.

It’s a preference….and one which I am very happy with.

[Brightside]

I see most of the top teams in Scotland are now signing more foreign players - including young players. Sad state of affairs and will only push back youth development in this country. On the plus side Hibs should be using that as a way to entice all the best young talent to HTC.

[He's here!]

I see most of the top teams in Scotland are now signing more foreign players - including young players. Sad state of affairs and will only push back youth development in this country. On the plus side Hibs should be using that as a way to entice all the best young talent to HTC.

Certainly seems the wrong road to be heading down if we're wanting to build grassroots support for the women's game here.

[Forza Fred]

Certainly seems the wrong road to be heading down if we're wanting to build grassroots support for the women's game here.

The counter argument though is that the signings should raise the overall standard of the league, making it more attractive to potential attendees.

I don’t know of many ‘pro’ women’s leagues where there are not at least a sprinkling of foreign talent.

England and the USA probably at the top,of the pack and they don’t seem to be suffering in the development stakes either.

I know there’s a long way to go, but presumably the aim of the clubs is to try and compete at the highest level.

[superfurryhibby]

Certainly seems the wrong road to be heading down if we're wanting to build grassroots support for the women's game here.

I think that's what Paul1642 was alluding to, in part.

Clearly big clubs see opportunity through the growth of the women's game. By big clubs I mean on a European level. They have a brand to promote and will see commercial potential.

In Scotland it will end up with the OF having a free pass into the European qualifiers, the same monopoly will be established as they have in the men's game.

Will this dominance serve the wider interests of the women's game up here? An influx of foreign players at clubs in order to compete doesn't seem the best way of sustaining women's football in Scotland.

A few posters have mentioned funding and grassroots football. My experience is that all clubs fund raise and are surely self-sustaining at boys club and amateur level. So no different for girls or women really.

THe SFA have initiatives to promote the game and make facilities better etc, not sure what impact this has but there does seem to be a strategy and commitment to promoting female participation.

With regard to Hibs, having professional players and coaching staff, plus all the other associated costs of running a team. That's where I have a doubt about it. If we have 20 people playing and coaching professionally then even at minimum wage level, salaries alone must be more than £30,000/month? is that sustainable at a club like Hibs?

[He's here!]

The counter argument though is that the signings should raise the overall standard of the league, making it more attractive to potential attendees.

I don’t know of many ‘pro’ women’s leagues where there are not at least a sprinkling of foreign talent.

England and the USA probably at the top,of the pack and they don’t seem to be suffering in the development stakes either.

I know there’s a long way to go, but presumably the aim of the clubs is to try and compete at the highest level.

Yes, fair point but I just feel that compared to the likes of Australia where you're pulling in 75k for an international women's game (think there were circa 3k at the most recent Scottish women's international prior to the closed doors Israel fixture) the foundations aren't yet strong enough here to start prioritising foreign signings and hoping it sparks interest. A successful international team in women's football (eg England) is what sparks the nationwide enthusiasm and we won't achieve that by not focusing on developing young Scottish girls.

[Brightside]

I think that's what Paul1642 was alluding to, in part.

Clearly big clubs see opportunity through the growth of the women's game. By big clubs I mean on a European level. They have a brand to promote and will see commercial potential.

In Scotland it will end up with the OF having a free pass into the European qualifiers, the same monopoly will be established as they have in the men's game.

Will this dominance serve the wider interests of the women's game up here? An influx of foreign players at clubs in order to compete doesn't seem the best way of sustaining women's football in Scotland.

A few posters have mentioned funding and grassroots football. My experience is that all clubs fund raise and are surely self-sustaining at boys club and amateur level. So no different for girls or women really.

THe SFA have initiatives to promote the game and make facilities better etc, not sure what impact this has but there does seem to be a strategy and commitment to promoting female participation.

With regard to Hibs, having professional players and coaching staff, plus all the other associated costs of running a team. That's where I have a doubt about it. If we have 20 people playing and coaching professionally then even at minimum wage level, salaries alone must be more than £30,000/month? is that sustainable at a club like Hibs?


Lots of boys clubs receive funding from government, local council, corporations etc. Just the same at Girls football. Got every Hibs girls there are plenty other local teams too.

[marinello59]

I think that's what Paul1642 was alluding to, in part.

Clearly big clubs see opportunity through the growth of the women's game. By big clubs I mean on a European level. They have a brand to promote and will see commercial potential.

In Scotland it will end up with the OF having a free pass into the European qualifiers, the same monopoly will be established as they have in the men's game.

Will this dominance serve the wider interests of the women's game up here? An influx of foreign players at clubs in order to compete doesn't seem the best way of sustaining women's football in Scotland.

A few posters have mentioned funding and grassroots football. My experience is that all clubs fund raise and are surely self-sustaining at boys club and amateur level. So no different for girls or women really.

THe SFA have initiatives to promote the game and make facilities better etc, not sure what impact this has but there does seem to be a strategy and commitment to promoting female participation.

With regard to Hibs, having professional players and coaching staff, plus all the other associated costs of running a team. That's where I have a doubt about it. If we have 20 people playing and coaching professionally then even at minimum wage level, salaries alone must be more than £30,000/month? is that sustainable at a club like Hibs?

About the same as Ben Kensell alone takes out of the club then?

[Paul1642]

I think that's what Paul1642 was alluding to, in part.

Clearly big clubs see opportunity through the growth of the women's game. By big clubs I mean on a European level. They have a brand to promote and will see commercial potential.

In Scotland it will end up with the OF having a free pass into the European qualifiers, the same monopoly will be established as they have in the men's game.

Will this dominance serve the wider interests of the women's game up here? An influx of foreign players at clubs in order to compete doesn't seem the best way of sustaining women's football in Scotland.

A few posters have mentioned funding and grassroots football. My experience is that all clubs fund raise and are surely self-sustaining at boys club and amateur level. So no different for girls or women really.

THe SFA have initiatives to promote the game and make facilities better etc, not sure what impact this has but there does seem to be a strategy and commitment to promoting female participation.

With regard to Hibs, having professional players and coaching staff, plus all the other associated costs of running a team. That's where I have a doubt about it. If we have 20 people playing and coaching professionally then even at minimum wage level, salaries alone must be more than £30,000/month? is that sustainable at a club like Hibs?

I think you’ve said what I’ve tired to say better than I managed to do.

Effectively Hibs were a great woman’s team on their own merit, not due to the men’s teams success (because we weren’t having much) until the OF decided they cared about woman’s football and now through no fault of Hibs woman’s performances they will gradually fall further and further behind the OF because of the men’s teams positions. The same will apply to many other teams Europe wide.

Real Madrid and Barca women will end up the best in Spain.
Inter, Juventus Ext woman’s the best in Italy.
Bayern woman the best in Germany,


Effectively the men’s game established monopoly’s have / will spreads to the woman’s game and I was asking if it had to be that way.

[Forza Fred]

Yes, fair point but I just feel that compared to the likes of Australia where you're pulling in 75k for an international women's game (think there were circa 3k at the most recent Scottish women's international prior to the closed doors Israel fixture) the foundations aren't yet strong enough here to start prioritising foreign signings and hoping it sparks interest. A successful international team in women's football (eg England) is what sparks the nationwide enthusiasm and we won't achieve that by not focusing on developing young Scottish girls.

Scotland team is not too bad at all and disappointingly missed out on the recent World Cup down my way by a whisker.

It just needs to do something to kick start.

I posted on another thread that Scotland Women should put their hand up to host any tournament they can…….the boost the women’s game and women’s sport in general got from hosting the World Cup herewas amazing.

Get the exposure..give the girls something to aim for and watch them take off and fly.

Some of the Matildas were playing internationals in front of 7 or 8 thousand not that long ago…..but they persevered!

[superfurryhibby]

Lots of boys clubs receive funding from government, local council, corporations etc. Just the same at Girls football. Got every Hibs girls there are plenty other local teams too.

I suppose I'm about 20 years behind the curve on this, but I wasn't aware of direct government or local government funding for clubs. Clearly there are development funds aimed at facilities and the like, but that sounds positive.


About the same as Ben Kensell alone takes out of the club then?

Is that not a separate issue?

Not many on here will support our CEO's over inflated salary though.


I think you’ve said what I’ve tired to say better than I managed to do.

Effectively Hibs were a great woman’s team on their own merit, not due to the men’s teams success (because we weren’t having much) until the OF decided they cared about woman’s football and now through no fault of Hibs woman’s performances they will gradually fall further and further behind the OF because of the men’s teams positions. The same will apply to many other teams Europe wide.

Real Madrid and Barca women will end up the best in Spain.
Inter, Juventus Ext woman’s the best in Italy.
Bayern woman the best in Germany,


Effectively the men’s game established monopoly’s have / will spreads to the woman’s game and I was asking if it had to be that way.

I think there is a decent discussion to be had on the future of women's football in Scotland. It's possible to want to promote the game without it being an uncompetitive appendage that largely serves to facilitate the erse cheeks ambitions.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0020541/copa-71-the-lost-lionesses-storyville

Went to see this in London when it first came out. Now available on BBCiplayer. Well worth a watch, with some wonderful archive footage that lay in storage for 50 years.

The subtitle is the Lost Lionesses, but there are great interviews with players from numerous nations who took part.

[He's here!]

https://fifpro.org/en/supporting-players/development-beyond-football/career-transition/joelle-murray-i-m-proud-to-have-played-my-part-in-progressing-the-scottish-game

Decent interview with Joelle from a few days back.

[04Sauzee]

A new signing through the door today. Seems like a very good signing.

https://x.com/HibernianWomen/status/1804869264622633115?t=EsP43bzWynK4V6QqP_feyw&s=19

[He's here!]

A new signing through the door today. Seems like a very good signing.

https://x.com/HibernianWomen/status/1804869264622633115?t=EsP43bzWynK4V6QqP_feyw&s=19

Good stuff. The signings so far all sound decent.

[LewysGot2]

A new signing through the door today. Seems like a very good signing.

https://x.com/HibernianWomen/status/1804869264622633115?t=EsP43bzWynK4V6QqP_feyw&s=19


Hearts player?

[04Sauzee]

About to announce another signing.

[hibby rae]

About to announce another signing.

Kirsten Reilly. Hell of a signing.

[Pretty Boy]

Kirsten Reilly. Hell of a signing.

That is a seriously good signing.

[Chorley Hibee]

Have the women received the Black Knights cash? 👀

[hibby rae]

Have the women received the Black Knights cash? 👀

Hope so, if only for the seethe from some folk :wink:

[cabbageandribs1875]

We are pleased to announce that Kirsty Morrison has signed a one-year contract extension with Hibs Women.

A reliable and intelligent forward, Kirsty made her 100th appearance for the Club last season and marked the occasion by wearing the captain’s armband for our Scottish Cup match against Rangers.

[marinello59]

We are pleased to announce that Kirsty Morrison has signed a one-year contract extension with Hibs Women.

A reliable and intelligent forward, Kirsty made her 100th appearance for the Club last season and marked the occasion by wearing the captain’s armband for our Scottish Cup match against Rangers.

A cracking player and one of the five sponsored by hibs.net last season.

[He's here!]

Kirsten Reilly. Hell of a signing.

That's terrific news.

[cabbageandribs1875]

A cracking player and one of the five sponsored by hibs.net last season.

i read new girl Kirsten Reilly is looking for sponsorship

[hibby rae]

Ciara Grant in, another good one from the neighbours.

Only a one year though which is a bit a pish

[GreenCastle]

Ciara Grant in, another good one from the neighbours.

Only a one year though which is a bit a pish

Seems a bit odd Hearts releasing these players and then Hibs signing them.

Hearts obviously thinking they can get better ?

[04Sauzee]

Seems a bit odd Hearts releasing these players and then Hibs signing them.

Hearts obviously thinking they can get better ?

Always thought Grant looked good in midfield for Hearts , one of the better players on the pitch every time we played, I may have her mixed up with someone else but I don't think so. I have seen Hearts singed someone from Aberdeen who was top scorer the league last season and someone from Celtic.

[The Hibee Harp]

Seems a bit odd Hearts releasing these players and then Hibs signing them.

Hearts obviously thinking they can get better ?

Hearts didn’t release them, their contracts expired.

[MartinfaePorty]

Goalkeeper signing incoming?

[cabbageandribs1875]

FT Slovakia 0 Scotland 2, Brace for Claire Emslie

long delay midway through the game for heavy rain/lightning

Scotland top on GD over Serbia who they play on Tuesday at Firhill in the final group game

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hibernian FC | Hibernian FC Renew Partnership with Innovative Partners (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/july/12/hibernian-fc-renew-partnership-with-innovative-partners-/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2bHXgVq0k5ONSieMkSzemq s_kV7Kvc_7ZqztJ3uUrp_wOjI24mn9xSWxM_aem_JFqTpnnfvE N9QyapGLprbw)

The Club is pleased to renew its partnership with Innovative Partners, who will partner with both the Men’s and Women’s teams for the 2024/25 campaign.

Innovative Partners’ branding will be proudly displayed on the Women’s Team shorts throughout the season, reinforcing their commitment to supporting the Club’s growth on and off the pitch
.
Working across a broad range of sectors, Innovative Partners support businesses with accessing innovation funding through tax incentives, grants and investment – all whilst ensuring minimal business disruption throughout the submission and investment process
.
The Club have worked closely with Innovative Partners on a number of significant research and development projects which have aided the Club’s strategic growth mission including; medical, football performance and facilities – notably the redevelopment of the Club’s hospitality suites, and the Easter Road playing surface.

[He's here!]

Scotland 1 Serbia 0
Sweden 0 England 0 (secures England's qualification for Euro 2025).

[Twiglet]

I was wondering,how many of the recent Scotland squads have played for Hibs at some point or come through the Hibs academy. I think there's a decent number of them.

[lugz]

Scotland 1 Serbia 0
Sweden 0 England 0 (secures England's qualification for Euro 2025).

So what does that mean for Scotland ladies? We've topped our group, seeded in some form of playoff?

[He's here!]

So what does that mean for Scotland ladies? We've topped our group, seeded in some form of playoff?We were already in the Euro play-offs. Not sure when they start. Tonight's win ensures promotion to Group A of the Nations League.Pretty huff and puff display judging by the report but Scotland seem to be edging tentatively towards better days, having gone a significant distance backwards. Step in the right direction not playing at Hampden I would say. Not sure what the crowd was at Firhill tonight but even a couple of thousand there would make for a better vibe than a similar number at Hampden.

[lugz]

Scotland drawn against Hungary in a very winnable tie in the first round of playoffs. Looks like we'd meet Finland in the 2nd round who we don't have a good record against.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/july/23/noa-schumacher-signs-for-hibs-women-/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3E1qQ50hwWT95OP-R92dEc6o7UiK5wmEk0dxpKs6OxCujwd_a9aF1Q-7I_aem_yQKF87mM_sDT75lCtw70EQ Hibernian FC are delighted to announce the signing of goalkeeper Noa Schumacher on a one-year deal!The young American stopper comes highly recommended and will look to challenge as our number one between the posts for the upcoming year.She will wear the number 12 jersey for the Hibees this season.Schumacher has spent the entirety of her career in her native America, progressing through the US college system. With California Baptist University, she won the Western Athletic Conference Goalkeeper of the Year award in 2023 and was included in the WAC Team of The Year

[hibby rae]

Smally has been named captain 👍👍

One of the most respected players in the league.

[marinello59]

Smally has been named captain 👍👍

One of the most respected players in the league.

Delighted with this news. :thumbsup:

[TrinityHFC]

Siranne Geldart has left the Hibs set up to sign for Bonnyrigg Rose. There isn’t an age group available for her to bridge the gap to the women’s team.

Scottish born with a Spanish mum and an English dad and I think she has a great chance to make a good living in a pro set up in future.

[PHeffernan]

Smally has been named captain 👍👍 One of the most respected players in the league. Between pregnancy and serious injury Smally has barely played in years. Hope she can find full fitness and avoid injury this season.

[hibby rae]

Between pregnancy and serious injury Smally has barely played in years. Hope she can find full fitness and avoid injury this season.

Fortunately her game isn't based on the same qualities as her husband, so I'm less worried about her ability to bounce back.

Because the women's game is still relatively young it's hard to say strongly, but there is an argument (one I've heard her discuss) pregnancy could benefit the longevity of a female player's career. Iirc it's basically to you not putting the same stress on the footballing parts of the body as consistently as those who don't take the necessary breaks involved in the pregnancy and maternity leave periods.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Siranne Geldart has left the Hibs set up to sign for Bonnyrigg Rose. There isn’t an age group available for her to bridge the gap to the women’s team.

Scottish born with a Spanish mum and an English dad and I think she has a great chance to make a good living in a pro set up in future.

Big drop to go to Bonnyrigg - was there not a team available at a higher level?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bowie scores :wink: Tegan Bowie that is

FT
Partick Thistle 1 Hibernian 2

Spartans 1 Motherwell 5

Montrose :0: Glasgow City :7:

[lugz]

Bowie scores :wink: Tegan Bowie that is

FT
Partick Thistle 1 Hibernian 2

Spartans 1 Motherwell 5

Montrose :0: Glasgow City :7:

Great start to the season with what is a tricky away match, hopefully tuck away Aberdeen next weekend and get off to a right good start.

[He's here!]

Great start to the season with what is a tricky away match, hopefully tuck away Aberdeen next weekend and get off to a right good start.

Yep, good opening win. Think we've signed quite well in the close season.

[GreenCastle]

Some of the results today is making the top league a joke.

Hearts 11-1 Queens Park
Rangers 11-0 Aberdeen
Motherwell 5-1 Spartans
Glasgow City 7-0 Montrose
Celtic 9 v Dundee Utd 0

[PHeffernan]

I note that in the opening week of the SWPL no less than 4 teams were torched 0-11, 1-11, 9-0 and 0-7.
4 moneyed teams absolutely clubbing to death the teams that make up the numbers.
Hibs are the only moneyed team that had a match worthy of the name.
This makes our league look Mickey Mouse.

The simple measure of cutting the top league to 10 clubs would see less teams getting torched and Aberdeen need to put resourses into their womens team to stop them looking like an after thought. Losing 0-11 to Rangers today is their current benchmark.

Celtic and Rangers will finish this season 1st and 2nd
Glasgow City and Hearts will finish 3rd and 4th
Hibs will finish 5th
Partick Thistle will finish 6th
and the rest will finish with a horrific negative goal difference

[Eyrie]

Some of the results today is making the top league a joke.

Hearts 11-1 Queens Park
Rangers 11-0 Aberdeen
Motherwell 5-1 Spartans
Glasgow City 7-0 Montrose
Celtic 9 v Dundee Utd 0

Scores like that benefit no-one and certainly not the reputation of the league.

[GreenCastle]

Scores like that benefit no-one and certainly not the reputation of the league.

You will then get others complaining no competition.

Rangers
Celtic
Hibs
Hearts
Glasgow City
Motherwell
Plus 2 will be the new top 8.

Spartans / Queens Park / Aberdeen / Dundee Utd or Montrose could all easily go down.

[Tambo]

Tickets available now for free for the upcoming Derby next month.

[hibby rae]

Textbook first half. Aberdeen have barely touched the ball so far.

[oconnors_strip]

7-0 win against Aberdeen today, great team performance!

[.Sean.]

We should tap them for a keeper and a couple defenders

[He's here!]

7-0 win against Aberdeen today, great team performance!

A lot more enjoyable than watching the men's team. Excellent start to the season. We look stronger than last term although it's very early days.

[cabbageandribs1875]

what a terribly poor crowd for two of the biggest teams in our top league

anyway 65 mins played and presently Celtic 1 Glasgow City 0



other results today

FT Hibernian :7: Aberdeen :0:

FT Hearts 5 Spartans 0

FT Rangers 4 Partick Thistle 0



presently Motherwell 3 Montrose 2

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

A lot more enjoyable than watching the men's team. Excellent start to the season. We look stronger than last term although it's very early days.

Glad you enjoyed yourself.

[hibby rae]

A lot more enjoyable than watching the men's team. Excellent start to the season. We look stronger than last term although it's very early days.

There have been many times I've been thankful for the women playing for Hibs, they've been a saving grace.

I always thought last season was more a work in progress under Scott, partly to rectify the previous damage, it's early days but we look to have signed well.

[He's here!]

There have been many times I've been thankful for the women playing for Hibs, they've been a saving grace.

I always thought last season was more a work in progress under Scott, partly to rectify the previous damage, it's early days but we look to have signed well.

Yes, a 7-0 win certainly helps to take the edge off the disappointment/resigned expectation when you check the men's score. It's also an easier/more reliable way of keeping the kids happy than a gloomy drive home from Glasgow.

Agree re the new signings.

[The Harp]

I attended yesterday's game v Aberdeen, mainly 'cos I renewed my grandaughter's Hibs Kids membership, and they now get 4 Hibs Women's games free, as well as the usual 4 men's games.
Must say I thoroughly enjoyed the match, and thought the girls played some fine football. I'll certainly go along to see them more often - my grandaughter will make sure of that. She was raving about the game, and the 7 goals, all the way home.

[PHeffernan]

7-0 win against Aberdeen today, great team performance!

Steady!
We won't really find out much about this seasons team until matchdays 5, 6, 8 and 11.
Hibs have another 2 procession fixtures against the have nots before that.
First judgement date is the evening of the 30th August.

[PHeffernan]

I attended yesterday's game v Aberdeen, mainly 'cos I renewed my grandaughter's Hibs Kids membership, and they now get 4 Hibs Women's games free, as well as the usual 4 men's games.
Must say I thoroughly enjoyed the match, and thought the girls played some fine football. I'll certainly go along to see them more often - my grandaughter will make sure of that. She was raving about the game, and the 7 goals, all the way home.

That was a great idea from Hibs.
They need to build the crowds at our womens games.

[He's here!]

That was a great idea from Hibs.
They need to build the crowds at our womens games.

Think they should make all women's games free for Hibs Kids. As others have mentioned girls in particular sometimes prefer going to the women's games, although one of my younger sons used to enjoy going with his pals when his primary school teacher handed out free tickets.

A move away from Meadowbank would also be good. Personally I'd have the women playing at ER on match days when the men's team is playing away. I don't know what sort of surface we have these days (is it pure grass or more of a hybrid?) but I guess that might be an issue. I don't travel to away games any more (too costly, kids don't fancy the journey plus we hardly ever win) so it would be good to make ER more family-friendly week in week out.

[hibby rae]

I attended yesterday's game v Aberdeen, mainly 'cos I renewed my grandaughter's Hibs Kids membership, and they now get 4 Hibs Women's games free, as well as the usual 4 men's games.
Must say I thoroughly enjoyed the match, and thought the girls played some fine football. I'll certainly go along to see them more often - my grandaughter will make sure of that. She was raving about the game, and the 7 goals, all the way home.

To be young and naive again, before you realise being a Hibs supporter is a penance :wink:


In all seriousness though, the women have started to play the way they did when I first began going to watch them when we had players like Jamie-Lee Napier and Abi Harrison banging them in, before the dark days of Dean Gibson. Seems so long ago but only talking 6 or so years. Hopefully things can only continue to improve.

Big shout to Tegan Bowie, great start to the season for her.

[hibby rae]

Think they should make all women's games free for Hibs Kids. As others have mentioned girls in particular sometimes prefer going to the women's games, although one of my younger sons used to enjoy going with his pals when his primary school teacher handed out free tickets.

A move away from Meadowbank would also be good. Personally I'd have the women playing at ER on match days when the men's team is playing away. I don't know what sort of surface we have these days (is it pure grass or more of a hybrid?) but I guess that might be an issue. I don't travel to away games any more (too costly, kids don't fancy the journey plus we hardly ever win) so it would be good to make ER more family-friendly week in week out.

That is part of the long-term plan, but not sure when exactly.

[Brightside]

The gap between the pro clubs and the rest is getting silly now. Going to end up with a 6 team league at this rate.

[He's here!]

The gap between the pro clubs and the rest is getting silly now. Going to end up with a 6 team league at this rate.

I think something of that sort would make sense. Celtic and Rangers, as they have for so long done in the men's game, hav created a very lop-sided women's league. On the one hand you could argue they may help raise the profile of the game and the standard of player coming in, but it's going to do nothing for the teams shipping a barrowload of goals every week.

[PHeffernan]

Think they should make all women's games free for Hibs Kids. As others have mentioned girls in particular sometimes prefer going to the women's games, although one of my younger sons used to enjoy going with his pals when his primary school teacher handed out free tickets.

A move away from Meadowbank would also be good. Personally I'd have the women playing at ER on match days when the men's team is playing away. I don't know what sort of surface we have these days (is it pure grass or more of a hybrid?) but I guess that might be an issue. I don't travel to away games any more (too costly, kids don't fancy the journey plus we hardly ever win) so it would be good to make ER more family-friendly week in week out.

I suspect Hibs will be assessing how much the crowds go up for those 4 games. Getting your money to attend and any other parents and grandparents that attended as a result of the Hibs Kids offer would be a real result. Every pound counts in the womens game in Scotland.

As for Meadowbank. No idea of the costs but it's dead money and not a good venue to spectate at.
Easter Road is now a very expensive hybrid pitch. Can't see Hibs being keen to let the women play all their home games there and it's a very soulless place with a few hundred fans in it. There could be a compromise to play the regular season home league games against the other 4 moneyed teams at Easter Road as well as the post split games and Meadowbank could be rented for the other regular season league and cup fixtures.

[hibby rae]

That's Colin Bell jumped ship from Aberdeen after two games.

[PHeffernan]

That's Colin Bell jumped ship from Aberdeen after two games.

Persevere is obviously not his motto

[Brightside]

Persevere is obviously not his motto

They lost all the decent players in the summer. About 5 teams fighting relegation this season. The demise of Spartans in a few short years is unreal.

[Malthibby]

3:0 v Dundee United so far........

[marinello59]

3:0 v Dundee United so far........

4-0 now.
Totally dominating this game.

[marinello59]

5-0 :greengrin

[marinello59]

Goal number five scored by Mya Christie, sponsored by Hibs.net

[hibby rae]

They lost all the decent players in the summer. About 5 teams fighting relegation this season. The demise of Spartans in a few short years is unreal.

Tougher for them when their previous rivals can all invest. Be a shame to see them go down, especially as they contribute a lot to youth development in Scotland.


By all accounts they've done well to keep the score down so far tonight, young keeper with a 30mph wind blowing right at her

[Brightside]

Tougher for them when their previous rivals can all invest. Be a shame to see them go down, especially as they contribute a lot to youth development in Scotland.


By all accounts they've done well to keep the score down so far tonight, young keeper with a 30mph wind blowing right at her

It’s awful. And the hibs HT is embarrassing also. Womens football is in serious trouble. I’m sure I read that Swpl will go to 8 next season. Have that. Call it the pro league. And stop kidding on the rest is any better than recreational football.

[cabbageandribs1875]

same as sunday video error says camera panning too fast, the camera dude needs to zoom out a bit....camera dude has finally noticed :)


besides, i like to see the positions of other players when off the ball :)


oh aye, and get a game clock :cb

[cabbageandribs1875]

:6:-:0: Hibernian FT


Glasgow City 1 Hearts 1, HT Glasgow City down to 10 for the 2nd half, FT Glasgow winner on 85 mins 2-1

FT Spartans 1 Partick Thistle 2

FT 5-1 Celtic v Motherwell

FT 2-0 Aberdeen v Montrose

FT Rangers 9 v Queen's Park 0

[hibby rae]

It’s awful. And the hibs HT is embarrassing also. Womens football is in serious trouble. I’m sure I read that Swpl will go to 8 next season. Have that. Call it the pro league. And stop kidding on the rest is any better than recreational football.

Don't mind it so much when it's Hibs doing it 😉

In fairness to Dundee United, Hibs put in as complete a performance as you'll see tonight, even with the gulf in talent. The girls all look well-motivated.

[marinello59]

Don't mind it so much when it's Hibs doing it 😉

In fairness to Dundee United, Hibs put in as complete a performance as you'll see tonight, even with the gulf in talent. The girls all look well-motivated.

We have a lot of depth in this squad. A job well done tonight.

[marinello59]

It’s awful. And the hibs HT is embarrassing also. Womens football is in serious trouble. I’m sure I read that Swpl will go to 8 next season. Have that. Call it the pro league. And stop kidding on the rest is any better than recreational football.

Maybe check the record books back when the men’s game was establishing itself. As the number of girls / women participating increases results were start to stabilise.

[Brightside]

Maybe check the record books back when the men’s game was establishing itself. As the number of girls / women participating increases results were start to stabilise.

That won’t happen in the women’s game. Top talent will leave quickly and more foreign players will come in. Development of the girls is suffering. No shortage of teams and people taking part but the level is going backwards. Will only have a negative impact on national teams. U17s /19s will never compete at top level. I’ve been watching for 15 years and as a nation it’s going backwards for me.

[GreenCastle]

That won’t happen in the women’s game. Top talent will leave quickly and more foreign players will come in. Development of the girls is suffering. No shortage of teams and people taking part but the level is going backwards. Will only have a negative impact on national teams. U17s /19s will never compete at top level. I’ve been watching for 15 years and as a nation it’s going backwards for me.

I do agree with you about the leagues and national set ups..

Looked at tonight’s starting team line ups..

Rangers - 8 Scottish players
Celtic - 4 Scottish players
Hibs - 8 Scottish players
Hearts - 5 Scottish players

The issue is the SWPL doesn’t really test them compared to Weir and Cuthburt etc playing at higher levels.

[Brightside]

I do agree with you about the leagues and national set ups..

Looked at tonight’s starting team line ups..

Rangers - 8 Scottish players
Celtic - 4 Scottish players
Hibs - 8 Scottish players
Hearts - 5 Scottish players

The issue is the SWPL does really test them compared to Weir and Cuthburt etc playing at higher levels.

Rangers and Celtic have loads out on loan at the other clubs. But going somewhere and getting pumped doesn’t help development. They are also going to teams with poorer coaching setups. I’m surprised Kirsty McLean took another 2 years at rangers. She needs to move on.

[PHeffernan]

Rangers and Celtic already nailed on for 1st and 2nd, just like the mens league.
Glasgow City, Hearts and Hibs nailed on for 3rd to 5th, probably in that order ... again.
Partick Thistle and Motherwell making a fist of it in 6th and 7th.
With the rest getting a 5-10 goal shoeing every time they play the top 5.

Aberdeen lost the girl that scored all their goals in the summer but there is no excuse for a wealthy club to allow their womens team to be so poor.
Colin Bell wouldn't have been a cheap acquisition but to give him nothing to work with was just plain daft. I presume he quickly realised there was no chance of even being competitive and decided to leave.

Hibs look a much better team this season, even without last seasons star player, with Grant Scott really making a difference now.
Very impressive start but i'm waiting until the game on the 30th August to pass meaningful judgement.

Still no sign on the pitch of full time player Rachael Boyle, who continues to make Kyle Magennis look reliable. Kyle has always played at least 13 games a season in his perma crock years. It's many years since Rachael played that many games.
Been out injured for 18 months now, expected to see her back at the start of this season.

[cabbageandribs1875]

FT's

Aberdeen 0 Celtic 4
Queens's Park 1 Spartans 0
Motherwell 0 Hibernian 5, first Hibs hat-trick for former hearts player Kathleen McGovern, Adams x1, McAlonie x 1
Partick Thistle 0 Glasgow City 2
Dundee United 0 Hearts 8
Montrose 0 Rangers 9

[Malthibby]

FT's

Aberdeen 0 Celtic 4
Queens's Park 1 Spartans 0
Motherwell 0 Hibernian 5, first Hibs hat-trick for former hearts player Kathleen McGovern, Adams x1, McAlonie x 1
Partick Thistle 0 Glasgow City 2
Dundee United 0 Hearts 8
Montrose 0 Rangers 9

Very solid win, 'Well gave Celtic a decent game last time out.
Splitting The Rangers & Celtic in second place, albeit after 4 games & we have still to play the 'big' three.
:thumbsup:

[Musselbound]

Well done Hibs. Great start to the season.

[Chorley Hibee]

Thoroughly professional performance in atrocious conditions.

Team looks in a good place, albeit we've still to play any of the bigger sides.

[He's here!]

Excellent result. Weather looked awful.

[marinello59]

Another great win. And well done to Siobhan Hunter, Player of the Match. Sponsored by hibs.net.

[flash]

The nick of those results.

[PHeffernan]

The nick of those results.

Dundee Utd have played 3 games too date

Torched:
6-0 by Hibs
8-0 by Hearts
9-0 by Celtic
and
play Rangers next weekend.
Another scudding of between 8 and 12 goals to nought an absolute certainty.

Meanwhile Hibs play their first real match of the season on Friday after 4 processions.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Very solid win, 'Well gave Celtic a decent game last time out.
Splitting The Rangers & Celtic in second place, albeit after 4 games & we have still to play the 'big' three.
:thumbsup:

three of the next four games will see how well we are progressing

A- Celtic
H- Hearts
H- Queen's Park
A- Glasgow City

[superfurryhibby]

Dundee Utd have played 3 games too date

Torched:
6-0 by Hibs
8-0 by Hearts
9-0 by Celtic
and
play Rangers next weekend.
Another scudding of between 8 and 12 goals to nought an absolute certainty.

Meanwhile Hibs play their first real match of the season on Friday after 4 processions.

I noticed some of the scores this weekend, ridiculous gulf between sides competing in the same league does nothing for the credibility of the women's game up here.

Several 5-0's, an 9-0 and an 8-0.

[blackpoolhibs]

If the mens team were winning 6-0 or 7-0 every week, the place would be full, is this free scoring womens team getting improved crowds?

[keep the faith]

I'm definitely going to be getting along more this season. They look a much better side this year. I hope more decide to come along too.

[He's here!]

I noticed some of the scores this weekend, ridiculous gulf between sides competing in the same league does nothing for the credibility of the women's game up here.

Several 5-0's, an 9-0 and an 8-0.

It's got a lot worse since Rangers and Celtic got involved. It's created three leagues within a league. The big two, those who can accommodate some level of salaries and the rest. Anything that drives up standards in the women's game here is good to a certain extent but things are currently too imbalanced.

Think we'll see an 'elite' type top league formed before too long. The Hibs team is certainly worth going along to watch. More enjoyable than the men at the moment!

[hibby rae]

Dundee Utd have played 3 games too date

Torched:
6-0 by Hibs
8-0 by Hearts
9-0 by Celtic
and
play Rangers next weekend.
Another scudding of between 8 and 12 goals to nought an absolute certainty.

Meanwhile Hibs play their first real match of the season on Friday after 4 processions.

You've looked to make this point a few times already this season but you overlook the context of the Partick result on the first game of the season. Last season we played them 6 times, we lost 3, drew 1, and won 2. So it was by no means a 'procession' this time around.

[He's here!]

You've looked to make this point a few times already this season but you overlook the context of the Partick result on the first game of the season. Last season we played them 6 times, we lost 3, drew 1, and won 2. So it was by no means a 'procession' this time around.

Absolutely. Partick were a bit of a bogey team last season but also very well organised.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/womens/scottish

Interesting comments from Ciara Grant about her switch from Hearts to Hibs.

[PHeffernan]

You've looked to make this point a few times already this season but you overlook the context of the Partick result on the first game of the season. Last season we played them 6 times, we lost 3, drew 1, and won 2. So it was by no means a 'procession' this time around.

It should be a procession given the difference in budgets but Brian Graham continues to have his team punching well above the sum of it's parts. Partick along with Motherwell appear to be the only teams not to be destroyed by the comparitively wealthy top 5 clubs.
Hibs are playing better this season than they have for a few years but we will see a truer picture in 3 of their next 4 league games.
The procession stops with a stern test on Friday.

The team at the top of the league currently have a goal difference of 33 after 4 games and the team at the bottom of the league have a goal difference of -23 after 3 games. Both those stats are wild in the context of a top tier league and those clubs play each other at the weekend. Another 8 to 10 goal beating for Dundee Utd is almost a certainty.
A reduction of the league to 10 teams would significantly reduce the number of beatings currently being sustained by the relatively budgetless clubs.

[Brightside]

It should be a procession given the difference in budgets but Brian Graham continues to have his team punching well above the sum of it's parts. Partick along with Motherwell appear to be the only teams not to be destroyed by the comparitively wealthy top 5 clubs.
Hibs are playing better this season than they have for a few years but we will see a truer picture in 3 of their next 4 league games.
The procession stops with a stern test on Friday.

The team at the top of the league currently have a goal difference of 33 after 4 games and the team at the bottom of the league have a goal difference of -23 after 3 games. Both those stats are wild in the context of a top tier league and those clubs play each other at the weekend. Another 8 to 10 goal beating for Dundee Utd is almost a certainty.
A reduction of the league to 10 teams would significantly reduce the number of beatings currently being sustained by the relatively budgetless clubs.

Should go down to 8 maximum. And stop the nonsense of calling the league below the Prem League 2.

[hibby rae]

It should be a procession given the difference in budgets but Brian Graham continues to have his team punching well above the sum of it's parts. Partick along with Motherwell appear to be the only teams not to be destroyed by the comparitively wealthy top 5 clubs.
Hibs are playing better this season than they have for a few years but we will see a truer picture in 3 of their next 4 league games.
The procession stops with a stern test on Friday.

The team at the top of the league currently have a goal difference of 33 after 4 games and the team at the bottom of the league have a goal difference of -23 after 3 games. Both those stats are wild in the context of a top tier league and those clubs play each other at the weekend. Another 8 to 10 goal beating for Dundee Utd is almost a certainty.
A reduction of the league to 10 teams would significantly reduce the number of beatings currently being sustained by the relatively budgetless clubs.

This is all true, but it doesn't belie the fact Partick largely had our number last season, and times before that, so it wasn't a game where we can just rock up and roll over the top of them. It was a good win against a well-organised, determined side.

We also dropped points against Dundee United around this time last season. So there's nothing wrong with enjoying it and recognising the improvement and strong start, everyone is aware harder games lie ahead, but to act like the season hasn't really started for us yet isn't true.

[cabbageandribs1875]

hopefully get a decent crowd for this

We can confirm that the upcoming Scotland Women’s National Team fixture against Hungary will be played at Easter Road!

As pioneers in women’s football, Hibernian FC are delighted to host Scotland in their crucial EURO 2025 Semi-Final Playoff second leg.

The match takes place on Tuesday 29 October, with a 7.35pm kick-off at Easter Road.

Full fixture details, including tickets and hospitality information will be released in due course.

On route to the play-offs, Scotland Women’s topped group B2 after an unbeaten qualification campaign. They are now four games away from securing a spot at

EURO 2025, with the winner of the play-off semi-final facing either Finland or Montenegro.

The first leg takes place on Friday 25 October in Budapest, before the crucial second-leg at Easter Road on Tuesday 29 October.

[He's here!]

hopefully get a decent crowd for this

We can confirm that the upcoming Scotland Women’s National Team fixture against Hungary will be played at Easter Road!

As pioneers in women’s football, Hibernian FC are delighted to host Scotland in their crucial EURO 2025 Semi-Final Playoff second leg.

The match takes place on Tuesday 29 October, with a 7.35pm kick-off at Easter Road.

Full fixture details, including tickets and hospitality information will be released in due course.

On route to the play-offs, Scotland Women’s topped group B2 after an unbeaten qualification campaign. They are now four games away from securing a spot at

EURO 2025, with the winner of the play-off semi-final facing either Finland or Montenegro.

The first leg takes place on Friday 25 October in Budapest, before the crucial second-leg at Easter Road on Tuesday 29 October.

Been to a few of these in the past. Good one to take the family to if you have young kids.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Celtic v Hibernian just kicked off Celtic vs Hibernian: SWPL - BBC Sport - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c1k3prdly94t#player)

[marinello59]

Celtic v Hibernian just kicked off Celtic vs Hibernian: SWPL - BBC Sport - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c1k3prdly94t#player)

A solid confident performance so far, enjoying this.

[Malthibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/womens/scottish

Interesting comments from Ciara Grant about her switch from Hearts to Hibs.

All about people I guess, if Ciara doesn't know what happened no-one else is likely to but
as a bottom line, it's been to Hibs benefit & says a lot about her strength of character to have made the move to us. GG

[MartinfaePorty]

Been a great game. Hibs really giving them a tough time.

Sent from my SM-S901B using Tapatalk

[He's here!]

A solid confident performance so far, enjoying this.

Really impressed. We look to have a lot more presence about us this season. Some of the football on show from both sides has been really good quality.

[marinello59]

Good game. Well won point. Delighted with that.

[GreenCastle]

Finishes Celtic 0 v Hibs 0

Good game and hate to say it but some more enjoyable stuff then some of the recent men’s game.

Well done Hibs - much improved

[Keepthefaith]

Great draw away at Celtic. It's the most impressed I've been watching Hibs women, could easily have won it too. Well done girls

[04Sauzee]

Good result, only seen most of the 2nd half in which I thought we were the better team although they put us under some pressure in the closing stages

[MartinfaePorty]

Full-time 0-0. Hibs probably had the better chances. Great result.

Sent from my SM-S901B using Tapatalk

[cabbageandribs1875]

very well earned point at the champions, could've scored a few ourselves

[The Harp Awakes]

Good performance 0-0 girls. Well in the game and deserved if not more. What an improvement on last season

[Malthibby]

Excellent result; seem altogether more solid than last season...:thumbsup:

[Pretty Boy]

Could have nicked it tonight.

Really good performance in arguably the toughest game of the season.

[Up-the-slope]

Really decent game - two good sides going for it and loads of total commitment

[Hibees1973]

Was really good watching a structured, well organised Hibs defence.

[et_hibby]

Really decent game - two good sides going for it and loads of total commitment
Was a great game- brilliant end-to-end, skillful stuff from both sides.

[Glory Lurker]

Really enjoyed that. Great game.

[hibby rae]

I went to the gym to avoid it ��

For some reason I get more nervey in the big games for the women at the moment.

Great start to the season and further evidence of the progress made, last season we lost those by a goal despite the performance.

Just need to put in a real performance next week now.

[Jay]

Really enjoyed that

[He's here!]

Keeps us top of the league. Well done, really solid point.

[PHeffernan]

That is an absolutely brilliant result.
I've seen a big improvement in Hibs this season but tonight was the time to benchmark that. This is an exciting breakthrough.
I had Hibs to finish 5th again this season but this result changes that. We can challenge Hearts and perhaps even Glasgow City now!

[gaz1875]

Solid first half, and fantastic pressing further up the pitch second half. Some fantastic performances with every player a 7+ for me.

[Eyrie]

Didn't see the game but that is a good result for us.

[Musselbound]

A really fantastic result that's probably got a bit lost in yesterday's men's transfer window madness. Continues a brilliant start to the season.

[HIBS NUTS]

The team are good this year, and are playing with loads of passion.
Our new goalie is particularly impressive, that will make a huge difference.
Are most of the girls under one season contracts , or can they be pinched at any time.?

[hibby rae]

The team are good this year, and are playing with loads of passion.
Our new goalie is particularly impressive, that will make a huge difference.
Are most of the girls under one season contracts , or can they be pinched at any time.?

We're mostly signing on two year deals, but there will be a few who we will want to get on extensions asap as they came jn last year

[Pete70]

The team are good this year, and are playing with loads of passion.
Our new goalie is particularly impressive, that will make a huge difference.
Are most of the girls under one season contracts , or can they be pinched at any time.?

Agree on the goalie, definitely an upgrade. Decent shot stopper and looked very comfortable dealing with crosses.

[He's here!]

The team are good this year, and are playing with loads of passion.
Our new goalie is particularly impressive, that will make a huge difference.
Are most of the girls under one season contracts , or can they be pinched at any time.?

I must have missed the keeper signing. She looked really assured. Where did we get her from?

Don't know whether signings for the women's team go through the same channels as the men but whoever's been picking them out has done a good job and proved that a team can be turned around quickly.

[He's here!]

A really fantastic result that's probably got a bit lost in yesterday's men's transfer window madness. Continues a brilliant start to the season.

I hope the women reap the benefits of their performances by pulling in some more fans. As others have mentioned they're more enjoyable to watch than the men right now.

[hibby rae]

I must have missed the keeper signing. She looked really assured. Where did we get her from?

Don't know whether signings for the women's team go through the same channels as the men but whoever's been picking them out has done a good job and proved that a team can be turned around quickly.

On loan from Glasgow City.

But her and Schumacher have both featured, so we might see them taking turns

[ruthven_raiders]

I hope the women reap the benefits of their performances by pulling in some more fans. As others have mentioned they're more enjoyable to watch than the men right now.

Yeh watching some of it last night, the improvement in the squad is like night and day ! Crowds should increase hopefully if they become more successful 💚

[cabbageandribs1875]

just finish the league right now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWQcbEDWkAET_sJ?format=png&name=4096x4096

[Glory Lurker]

just finish the league right now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWQcbEDWkAET_sJ?format=png&name=4096x4096

Back where we belong. Been a great start to the season. We're competing again.

[He's here!]

I see Arsenal beat Rangers 6-0 in Champions League qualifying earlier. Considering Rangers beat Dundee Utd 10-0 at the weekend it just shows the quality of the top women's sides in England. Kim Little scored for Arsenal incidentally.

[Brightside]

I see Arsenal beat Rangers 6-0 in Champions League qualifying earlier. Considering Rangers beat Dundee Utd 10-0 at the weekend it just shows the quality of the top women's sides in England. Kim Little scored for Arsenal incidentally.

The gulf is ridiculous and much bigger than ever. Rangers winning a game 10-0 doesn’t show they are improving. The rest are going backwards. Elite womens football in Scotland is going back at a rate of knots due to the SFA investing everything in participation rather than elite development.

[superfurryhibby]

The gulf is ridiculous and much bigger than ever. Rangers winning a game 10-0 doesn’t show they are improving. The rest are going backwards. Elite womens football in Scotland is going back at a rate of knots due to the SFA investing everything in participation rather than elite development.

A focus on participation sounds like a sensible strategy.

Why even try to compete with the OF, now they have decided to invest in their woman's teams, that's game over for the rest.

[Brightside]

A focus on participation sounds like a sensible strategy.

Why even try to compete with the OF, now they have decided to invest in their woman's teams, that's game over for the rest.

Why is it a sensible strategy? Ignore the competing with the OF im talking about how you develop the game so as a nation we can compete at major tournaments.

Shouting about 50000 new participants in kids football is utterly pointless if they can't develop past recreational level. Work has to be done to close the gap with other nations. That only happens through an Elite development strategy. Regional groups, working with the best coaches at least twice a week - away from their club teams. Constant regional and cross border games against much better teams.

[superfurryhibby]

Why is it a sensible strategy? Ignore the competing with the OF im talking about how you develop the game so as a nation we can compete at major tournaments.

Shouting about 50000 new participants in kids football is utterly pointless if they can't develop past recreational level. Work has to be done to close the gap with other nations. That only happens through an Elite development strategy. Regional groups, working with the best coaches at least twice a week - away from their club teams. Constant regional and cross border games against much better teams.

I would disagree that 50000 new participants is pointless.

I question the need to bother trying to compete with the OF.

Is there no regional/representative competition available for young female footballers? That seems lacking. Is there any real evidence that "elite" coaching makes any difference to the footballing outcomes?

Do girls not get the opportunity to attend football performance schools etc?

[Pretty Boy]

A focus on participation sounds like a sensible strategy.

Why even try to compete with the OF, now they have decided to invest in their woman's teams, that's game over for the rest.

I think it has to be both.

Participation is great because it opens up football to all girls regardless of ability and ultimately for the vast majority of people of either sex football is unlikely to ever be any more than a hobby, very few are good enough to do it as a job and even less as a full time job. More participation gives you a bigger pool of players to choose from when looking for elite players too, there is far less chance of someone with immense natural talent slipping through the cracks.

However there has to be a targeted approach to elite development. You can't just say that getting loads of girls playing and promoting some of them beyond their ability to an elite level is a good strategy. It's not the case for boys football and nor should it be for girls. Teams getting beat 10-0 in league games is a terrible look and suggests a huge gulf in the quality of player development (and recruitment) between the top 4 or 5 and the rest. It also hints at a failing national strategy as we struggle to keep our best players in Scotland and fail to develop more than a handful of truly elite players at international level.

I'm a huge supporter of women's and girl's football and regularly defend it against the banal sexist criticisms it receives. As the game grows there has to be a more ruthless approach to development though. Having a team playing SWPL football who are evidently woefully out their depth just because it is good for participation borders on the patronising for me. Regional academies led by the SFA working in conjunction with clubs and a cut down top flight would be a good starting point.

By all means let the girls play recreationally, get as many as possible playing on Saturdays and Sundays for their girls clubs, if some of them have affiliations with professional teams then great, but when it comes to producing elite, pro players (which is the way the game is going) then we have to be way more ruthless.

[GreenCastle]

The best part of the women’s game years ago was it was different to the men’s game - Glasgow City won various league titles but others won cups etc.

Know you have the situation like the men’s where Rangers and Celtic are nearly too good for the SWPL but can’t compete with England or Europe leagues.

How do you fix it ? Well the SWPL needs to find a way to make it a better more competitive league but not sure making a smaller league helps as becomes too elitist.

You will still have the issue of England and other leagues taking best players and other clubs like Hearts and Hibs hoovering up the local talent.

You need the participation at lower levels but you also need the elite part to group - what they seem to have forgotten is the middle part hence teams like Dundee Utd getting beaten 10-0 every week. That means support for coaches and others too.

Rangers and Celtic women’s team are investing more money than many men’s teams in Scotland.

English women’s football like the men’s is financially miles ahead of a Scotland and that will never change so Scottish football gets stuck in a weird place.

I guess the positive is you get some English players and others coming to play in Scottish league but then that limits local Scottish players playing.

Players moving from Scotland to England need to get clubs some compensation so money can go back into the game.

The worst part of this is I can see anyone winning league like the men’s game outwith the old firm anytime soon - that is just boring and Hearts and Hibs are kind of stuck as you can invest but at what cost and what do you get back ?

[superfurryhibby]

I think it has to be both.


However there has to be a targeted approach to elite development. You can't just say that getting loads of girls playing and promoting some of them beyond their ability to an elite level is a good strategy. It's not the case for boys football and nor should it be for girls. Teams getting beat 10-0 in league games is a terrible look and suggests a huge gulf in the quality of player development (and recruitment) between the top 4 or 5 and the rest. It also hints at a failing national strategy as we struggle to keep our best players in Scotland and fail to develop more than a handful of truly elite players at international level.

I'm a huge supporter of women's and girl's football and regularly defend it against the banal sexist criticisms it receives. As the game grows there has to be a more ruthless approach to development though. Having a team playing SWPL football who are evidently woefully out their depth just because it is good for participation borders on the patronising for me. Regional academies led by the SFA working in conjunction with clubs and a cut down top flight would be a good starting point.



Girls already have access to the elite academies?
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/performance/jd-performance-schools/applications/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymuZL9JQc4U

[He's here!]

I would disagree that 50000 new participants is pointless.

I question the need to bother trying to compete with the OF.

Is there no regional/representative competition available for young female footballers? That seems lacking. Is there any real evidence that "elite" coaching makes any difference to the footballing outcomes?

Do girls not get the opportunity to attend football performance schools etc?

You just need to look at what elite coaching has done for the women's game in England to see the impact it can have.

The participation aspect is no longer a challenge. Particularly at primary school level it's now the norm for there to be as many girls teams as boys'.

[superfurryhibby]

You just need to look at what elite coaching has done gor the women's game in England to see the impact it can have.

The participation aspect is no longer a challenge. Particularly at primary school level it's now the norm for there to be as many girls teams as boys'.

England is a country of 60 million, I would prefer a comparison with a similar sized nation. Clearly the money in the English game also makes it difficult to compare with our game.

[Brightside]

I would disagree that 50000 new participants is pointless.

I question the need to bother trying to compete with the OF.

Is there no regional/representative competition available for young female footballers? That seems lacking. Is there any real evidence that "elite" coaching makes any difference to the footballing outcomes?

Do girls not get the opportunity to attend football performance schools etc?

One or 2 get in every year to the dev schools. They need to do a girls version of it.

Are you being serious about the elite coaching? you only get better at something with better coaching and progressing against better opponents.

[Brightside]

Girls already have access to the elite academies?
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/performance/jd-performance-schools/applications/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymuZL9JQc4U

Lip service.

[GreenCastle]

England is a country of 60 million, I would prefer a comparison with a similar sized nation. Clearly the money in the English game also makes it difficult to compare with our game.

Denmark - Iceland (lot less than Scotland) and Norway all similar populations and all above Scotland in world rankings and seem to have a better set up than Scotland.

[superfurryhibby]

Denmark - Iceland (lot less than Scotland) and Norway all similar populations and all above Scotland in world rankings and seem to have a better set up than Scotland.

Conversely, Scotland are above many nations, who's men's team are usually better than ours, like Poland, Czech Republic, Argentina, Ukraine (perhaps understandable), Russia, Mexico.

Our standings (above the other home nations, aside from England) suggest we are doing well enough on the international stage.

https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/women?dateId=ranking_20231215

[Brightside]

Conversely, Scotland are above many nations, who's men's team are usually better than ours, like Poland, Czech Republic, Argentina, Ukraine (perhaps understandable), Russia, Mexico.

Our standings (above the other home nations, aside from England) suggest we are doing well enough on the international stage.

https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/women?dateId=ranking_20231215

The 2 things don't compute. Interest in the women's game doesnt reflect the mens game in many countries.

[superfurryhibby]

The 2 things don't compute. Interest in the women's game doesnt reflect the mens game in many countries.

Perhaps not but I was responding to a post that cited the Norwegians, Danes and Icelandic sides as being above us in the rankings.

If we have a very good structure which encourages what seems to be excellent levels of participation, girls getting access to elite academies and our national team are performing well, are we not already getting a great deal right in the female game?

[Brightside]

Perhaps not but I was responding to a post that cited the Norwegians, Danes and Icelandic sides as being above us in the rankings.

If we have a very good structure which encourages what seems to be excellent levels of participation, girls getting access to elite academies and our national team are performing well, are we not already getting a great deal right in the female game?

But our national team are not performing well. I think thats the issue. Also our u17 and u19s teams fail miserably when they move up to the A leagues. We need to be taking 20/30 at each age group into elite academies.... then you have more chance of 5 or 6 being ready to step up and improve the top level.

[superfurryhibby]

But our national team are not performing well. I think thats the issue. Also our u17 and u19s teams fail miserably when they move up to the A leagues. We need to be taking 20/30 at each age group into elite academies.... then you have more chance of 5 or 6 being ready to step up and improve the top level.

25th in the world ranking seems reasonable. Our lowest ranking was 31st and our highest 19th. We are pretty consistently in the top 30, usually low 20's (that's looking at the previous 20 years or so).

Perhaps the SFA need to look at quotas and making access to elite academies more equitable. I have no idea how many youngsters actually attend overall, but positive discrimination and more gender balance would surely help? If the participation base continues to increase, which seems to be the case, then the choice will also increase too.

[JimBHibees]

You just need to look at what elite coaching has done for the women's game in England to see the impact it can have.

The participation aspect is no longer a challenge. Particularly at primary school level it's now the norm for there to be as many girls teams as boys'.

Not just elite coaching literally millions pumped into it by Sky plus get the benefit of the ludicrous EPL money and academies structure. Decent Scottish players will quickly move down south.

[Brightside]

Not just elite coaching literally millions pumped into it by Sky plus get the benefit of the ludicrous EPL money and academies structure. Decent Scottish players will quickly move down south.

Very few are going to be good enough at this rate

[GreenCastle]

Edinburgh Derby tonight at Easter Road.

Tickets are FREE so a great opportunity for any fans or families to attend who haven’t been to Easter Road for a while.

Should be a good game too - don’t think Hearts have ever beaten Hibs at Easter Road in 90 mins.

[Pretty Boy]

Edinburgh Derby tonight at Easter Road.

Tickets are FREE so a great opportunity for any fans or families to attend who haven’t been to Easter Road for a while.

Should be a good game too - don’t think Hearts have ever beaten Hibs at Easter Road in 90 mins.

Taking my son who is 3 in a couple of weeks to his first game. Torn between a feeling of can't wait and dreading it because he can't sit still for more than 30 seconds.

[He's here!]

Taking my son who is 3 in a couple of weeks to his first game. Torn between a feeling of can't wait and dreading it because he can't sit still for more than 30 seconds.

Based on my own experiences, a 90-minute football match (plus interval) can be a very long time during which to keep a young child engaged. Even when my kids were older than that we'd tend to leave after about an hour, by which time they were ready to go.

What really struck me back then was while football is generally regarded as a fast-moving sport, there are more delays than you realise and very little actually happens for a large percentage of the game!

A women's game is a good choice for a first attempt tho!

[Pretty Boy]

Based on my own experiences, a 90-minute football match (plus interval) can be a very long time during which to keep a young child engaged. Even when my kids were older than that we'd tend to leave after about an hour, by which time they were ready to go.

What really struck me back then was while football is generally regarded as a fast-moving sport, there are more delays than you realise and very little actually happens for a large percentage of the game!

A women's game is a good choice for a first attempt tho!

My daughter was 3 when I first took her and the first year or so was tough but she's much better now.

Women's game is very much a tactical choice with the tornado that is number 2 child.

[The Harp]

Edinburgh Derby tonight at Easter Road.

Tickets are FREE so a great opportunity for any fans or families to attend who haven’t been to Easter Road for a while.

Should be a good game too - don’t think Hearts have ever beaten Hibs at Easter Road in 90 mins.

Can't manage along to ER tonight for the derby, unfortunately.
Just wanted to send a wee good luck message to the Hibs girls.

'mon the Hibs!

[Eyrie]

Can't make it but will be watching online.

Both sides have started the season well so it should be a decent game. Just hope for the right outcome!

[Danderhall Hibs]

Heading down shortly - looking forward to it.

[Keepthefaith]

Is the game on TV? Can't find it 🤷

[DunblaneHibby]

Is the game on TV? Can't find it 🤷

Bbc iplayer

[HH81]

What times the program start?

[penihibs]

Can't see it on BBC iPlayer?

[penihibs]

It's just went up now😊

[HH81]

Finally found it. Don't make it easy!

[GreenCastle]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0056rbk/scottish-womens-premier-league-202425-hibernian-v-hearts

Think the Hearts keeper is a weakness due to her height but Hibs need to test her.

[Glory Lurker]

Finally found it. Don't make it easy!

No half.

Well done to the young seagull that was on the pitch there. No sign of the rest of the gang.

[Tambo]

Bit scrappy so far, RB looks full of energy, won't try and spell her name 😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh dear

[HH81]

0-1 Good goal to be fair.

[cabbageandribs1875]

shoulda been two

[cabbageandribs1875]

and that'll be game
set
and match

hearts much the better footballers

[GreenCastle]

Worst Hibs have played this season. Can hardly make 3 passes.

Hearts just look more like a team.

Too many Hibs players not currently in the game.

[cabbageandribs1875]

now it's embarrassing 0-3

[04Sauzee]

For as good as they were last week they have been very poor, haven't seen loads of Hibs over the years but it's possibly the worst I have seen, oops 3 zip

[Squealing pig]

Outplayed so far

[GreenCastle]

This could be a really bad hammering if they aren’t careful.

Some woeful defending and look so disjointed.

[cabbageandribs1875]

flippin heck all the way back to the keeper from an attacking position


my goodness that attempt at a pass from Notley

[Bobo]

Very naive, timid performance from the Hibs girls who are struggling to pass or create much at all. They've got next to no threat going forward and, like their male counterparts, they seem intimidated by anything in a bloodied-turd strip.

[Eyrie]

Horrible first half.

Poor passing, no midfield and getting played through with ease.

Scott has a big job to do at half time and changes are needed.

[hibby rae]

I really like Scott, but this one is on him tonight.

Big pitch like this, dunno why you don'y go Bowie and Ferguson either side and let their pace and flair pin Hearts back, but we've allowed them to continuously get behind the FBs. Writing was on the wall early doors with it

[He's here!]

This is a bit bewildering. We don't look half the team we've been in the previous games this season. Hope the men's team's derby phobia isn't transferring to the women as we've been pretty strong against them up until now.

[Ship of Hope]

Some of the hibs players look like they have never seen a ball before.. our first touch has been shocking. Hearts in contrast have looked much sharper and are good for their lead. Hopefully we turn up in the second half. Was really looking forward to coming to the game but it has turned into a bit of a damp squib.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

What’s happened to the coverage - did they not pay the commentary team for HT?

[Hibs90]

Horrendous

[hibby rae]

This is a bit bewildering. We don't look half the team we've been in the previous games this season. Hope the men's team's derby phobia isn't transferring to the women as we've been pretty strong against them up until now.

Nah Scott's just done that nippy think where the coach has a big game and overthinks it, thereby changing a formula that's been paying off. You see it all the time and a lot of the time it goes badly

[LunasBoots]

and that'll be game
set
and match

hearts much the better footballers

How times have changed

[Glory Lurker]

Spartans is the real Edinburgh derby, so it doesn't count.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Loads of changes at HT - looking better already

[cabbageandribs1875]

How times have changed

it's only taken hearts 5/6 seasons to finally become the top dogs in the capital, i think they have a good manager and all she's needed is to get the right players to play the way she wants

another 5th pace finish for Hibs this season

[cabbageandribs1875]

how did she miss that, seriously



gie the baw tae Bowie

[wallpaperman]

Drama in the stands right in front of us. Stewards trying to chuck a bunch of ‘Mackay out’ flag wavers. They’re no for moving, lots of talking and gesturing. Best part of the game so far, where’s the popcorn.

[cabbageandribs1875]

chance for hibs

from the hearts defender

[JimBHibees]

Drama in the stands right in front of us. Stewards trying to chuck a bunch of ‘Mackay out’ flag wavers. They’re no for moving, lots of talking and gesturing. Best part of the game so far, where’s the popcorn.

Wtf

[LunasBoots]

Drama in the stands right in front of us. Stewards trying to chuck a bunch of ‘Mackay out’ flag wavers. They’re no for moving, lots of talking and gesturing. Best part of the game so far, where’s the popcorn.

Hibs fans or possibly another group due to his past misdemeanors?

[Bridge hibs]

Drama in the stands right in front of us. Stewards trying to chuck a bunch of ‘Mackay out’ flag wavers. They’re no for moving, lots of talking and gesturing. Best part of the game so far, where’s the popcorn.Kenneh, McKirdy, Amos, Jair and Nathan Moriah Welsh ?

[wallpaperman]

Hibs fans or possibly another group due to his past misdemeanors?

Hibs fan group, the ones with the Palestine flags and such I think.

[JimBHibees]

Hibs fan group, the ones with the Palestine flags and such I think.

Absolute freaks get them so far tae fek

[cabbageandribs1875]

two chances in a minute

[LunasBoots]

Hibs fan group, the ones with the Palestine flags and such I think.

Jeez, got to give the guy at least some time to fix the issues, pretty embarrassing from them.

[wallpaperman]

Jeez, got to give the guy at least some time to fix the issues, pretty embarrassing from them.

Almost certainly not football related. 😬