General election 2019

[Pretty Boy]

The pound started to rise strongly in the past hour which gives the idea that there is confidence in a Tory majority..

The only consolation is the same thing happened about an hour before the Brexit referendum poll closed and the markets got that spectacularly wrong.

Exit polls in just over an hour will decide whether I'm up for the night or off to bed early.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The only consolation is the same thing happened about an hour before the Brexit referendum poll closed and the markets got that spectacularly wrong.

Exit polls in just over an hour will decide whether I'm up for the night or off to bed early.

I don't think I will sleep well either way. Hoping for the best, but fearing the worst.

[marinello59]

The only consolation is the same thing happened about an hour before the Brexit referendum poll closed and the markets got that spectacularly wrong.

Exit polls in just over an hour will decide whether I'm up for the night or off to bed early.

Young lads first election he has voted in here so we are up all night regardless. There will be some surprises along the way.

[CloudSquall]

The only consolation is the same thing happened about an hour before the Brexit referendum poll closed and the markets got that spectacularly wrong.

Exit polls in just over an hour will decide whether I'm up for the night or off to bed early.

I remember reading how some traders got accounts wiped out in minutes after it soured and then freefalled after the Sunderland count came in that night, I wouldn't want to be in a GBP trade for this one either!

[Hibbyradge]

I'm still recovering from Australia jet lag so I'm not sure I'm even going to make it to 10pm for the exit poll.

[Cataplana]

My prediction - Tories by 50 seats. I hope this jinxes it.

[Bristolhibby]

My prediction - Tories by 50 seats. I hope this jinxes it.

I have predicted them by 30.

SNP to win 42 seats.

J

[marinello59]

I hope that a lot of former Labour voters who were contemplating voting Tory to get Brexit done found they just couldn’t do it. I simply could not make any sort of prediction, I’m just crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.

[CloudSquall]

I have a bad feeling about this, I don't know why, just a gut instinct that there's going to be a lot of disappointment in the SNP / YES camp.


I consolidate myself with the fact derby games always go better when I have the same feeling beforehand...

[Northernhibee]

Labour internally expecting 36.2% share vote.

[Sir David Gray]

368 Conservatives - Exit poll.

[Pretty Boy]

Exit polls suggest a Tory majority of 86.

That's way worse than I expected.

[Cataplana]

FFS they've got Kez on as a pundit.

[Smartie]

I have a horrible feeling about this.

The most important thing is that after voting I came home, was able to look my daughter in the eye and I'll be able to sleep at night.

I did what I could.

[we are hibs]

What a joke. Get us out this farce Nicola

[Colr]

Well, well. Labour’s done ****.

My career as a pundit up in smoke again

[matty_f]

Exit polls suggest a Tory majority of 86.

That's way worse than I expected.

That's horrific. Utterly, utterly horrific. **** off Britain.

[Pretty Boy]

SNP expected to take 55 seats. Scotland does it's part again. Time to cut ties.....

[weecounty hibby]

If the exit polls are right the UK is ****ed but Scotland will need to, must, become independent!!!

[Cataplana]

SNP 55, get the bikini off Ruth.

[CloudSquall]

55 for the SNP???

I hope we get as near that as we can given the possible complete collapse of Labour

[Pretty Boy]

Jo Swinson at huge risk of losing her seat.....

[Sprouleflyer]

Looks like Ruthy will be polluting Loch Ness :sick:

[Mr Grieves]

****

[Hibernia&Alba]

86 Tory majority? Can't believe it

[marinello59]

****. Labour looks like being slaughtered.

[Cataplana]

The English are ****ed, abandon ship.

[Mr Grieves]

The SNP and tory seat numbers are crazy

[weecounty hibby]

SNP 55, get the bikini off Ruth.
Keep it on please Ruth. Get the humble pie out though. If true, Scotland has once again said no to Tories, and increasingly likely to say no to the UK.

[CloudSquall]

That has to be the end for Corbyn, but would anyone with ambition want to take it over in that position?

[Pretty Boy]

Is this the worst Labour performance since before Michael Foot?

Corbyn's position is surely untenable now?

[lapsedhibee]

Time to look for silver linings.

Shirley Corbyn is gone now?

[Moulin Yarns]

Looks like Ruthy will be polluting Loch Ness :sick:

Reported









To SEPA

[GlesgaeHibby]

Worst Labour performance since 1924.

[SteveHFC]

Independence now.

[Callum_62]

Surely if SNP hits that range in Scotland and we end up with a 86 majority harder right tory govt it's time to get the F outta here

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[Cataplana]

Is this the worst Labour performance since before Michael Foot?

Corbyn's position is surely untenable now?

In a years time, they'll be crying out for a Corbyn.

[Lancs Harp]

Well the beeb/itv/sky have done an exit poll based on 20,000 people. Might as well not bother counting the votes then.

[blaikie]

Never been totally up for IndyRef2 .... but if this exit poll turns out to be correct the question needs asked again.

[The Modfather]

Is this the worst Labour performance since before Michael Foot?

Corbyn's position is surely untenable now?

Can we let Ignsh70 back in to tell us how this is all part of the long game and how Richard Leonard is tonight’s real winner in Scotland....

[Bristolhibby]

Labour ****ed it. Brexit on the 31st January.

I will see Scottish Independence soon. 55 for SNP is incredible.

J

[Chorley Hibee]

I'm an Englishman, and as avid a Labour man and socialist as you'll find, but the only way out of the cluster**** that is the UK, Brexit - and even further swathes of cuts to vital services, is via the route of independence.

This result is way worse than I could ever have dreamt. Working class people voting to metaphorically slit their own throats is something I will never be able to fathom.

Never been more depressed by an election result.

[Hiber-nation]

Let's wait and see. Some crazy things have happened in the last while in politics 😫

[RyeSloan]

If Labour only get 191 seats that’s even less than the hapless Foot! What a farce from Corbyn and his Momentum cronies.

[CloudSquall]

Patel on BBC!!!!:drool::drool::greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

In a years time, they'll be crying out for a Corbyn.

Eh, whit?

[Callum_62]

What did Ruth say about 50 seats to SNP?

Infact if 55 materialises that might meet alot of the silly targets various unionists have been proclaiming as necessary to show a mandate

Wonder what they will say next...

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[Pretty Boy]

SNP possibly taking Orkney and Shetland. That would be a bit of a shock.

[BigKev]

If this exit poll is in the right ballpark then not only are Labour finished but the SNP have no other option but to continue the push for Indyref 2.

Having that maggot Bojo as PM turns my stomach. To see him returned with a strong endorsement makes me question the sanity of the UK electorate.

[Pretty Boy]

Ian Murray and Mundell looking like they may go as well.

Seeing Mundells puss if he loses his seat will be a shining light on a dark night.

[weecounty hibby]

Ian Murray and Mundell looking like they may go as well.

Seeing Mundells puss if he loses his seat will be a shining light on a dark night.
I think that both of them will survive

[GlesgaeHibby]

Ian Murray and Mundell looking like they may go as well.

Seeing Mundells puss if he loses his seat will be a shining light on a dark night.

Think they're safe, and amongst the only non SNP MPs keeping a seat.

Orkney and Shetland going SNP, as per exit poll, would be huge.

[Colr]

SNP expected to take 55 seats. Scotland does it's part again. Time to cut ties.....

Labour lost Scotland now it appears to be losing the industrial heartlands of England. Way to piss a massive lead up the wall in less than 10 years.

[ACLeith]

SNP possibly taking Orkney and Shetland. That would be a bit of a shock.

Not before time. I know many Orcadians and when I moan to them about re-electing the Liar they all say “don’t blame me I don’t vote for him”. Maybe happening at long last

[BigKev]

Ian Murray and Mundell looking like they may go as well.

Seeing Mundells puss if he loses his seat will be a shining light on a dark night.

Murray is my MP... he had a huge majority last time. Surely got to be safe? If he loses then it’s a huge shock. SNP or LD taking it?

[Cataplana]

Eh, whit?

Labours policies are actually good news. People have got to start going beyond binary decisions.

[CloudSquall]

Ian Murray and Mundell looking like they may go as well.

Seeing Mundells puss if he loses his seat will be a shining light on a dark night.

If that happens along with Orkney/Shetland the SNP would need to have the 2015 tsunami and then some.

In true Keven Keegan style I'd LOVE IT if that happens.



If it's right, and the Tories get a majority of 86 while losing over 10 seats in Scotland, they must have humped Labour silly down south.

[Barney McGrew]

Ian Murray and Mundell looking like they may go as well.

Seeing Mundells puss if he loses his seat will be a shining light on a dark night.

I’m hoping Ross and Hair get emptied, as well as that loathsome Annie Wells.

If 55 seats for the SNP turns out to be accurate, then there’s going to be a request on Johnson’s desk first thing tomorrow for IndyRef 2.

[jonty]

exit polls make for a disaster.
I wonder how much difference (good or bad) these tactical voting sites have made.

[GlesgaeHibby]

I’m hoping Ross and Hair get emptied, as well as that loathsome Annie Wells.

If 55 seats for the SNP turns out to be accurate, then there’s going to be a request on Johnson’s desk first thing tomorrow for IndyRef 2.

She's never won an election - list MSP.

[Cataplana]

I’m hoping Ross and Hair get emptied, as well as that loathsome Annie Wells.

If 55 seats for the SNP turns out to be accurate, then there’s going to be a request on Johnson’s desk first thing tomorrow for IndyRef 2.

Which he will promptly say "no" to, and what do we do next?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm devastated re UK exit poll. I hoped for hung parliament, but really didn't think Labour would be in a worse position than 1983. SNP gains here - it looks like Scotland and England have now split.

[Pretty Boy]

Labours policies are actually good news. People have got to start going beyond binary decisions.

The policies are irrelevant if the message doesn't get across. Corbyn is weak. He's failed time and again to show leadership when required and he's missed several own goals by refusing to savage Johnson when the opportunity has arisen. Say what you like about Alistair Campbell and his ilk but they would have destroyed Johnson over the last few weeks.

I said about 4 years ago that Corbyn's legacy may be to put left wing policy back on the Labour agenda but he was never going to be the man to deliver it. IF he leaves that as a legacy then it's probably not been all bad from him. **** knows who comes next but I don't envy them. Scotland is a lost cause and the old industrial heartlands of England look like they have gone the same way.

[Logie Green]

55 for the SNP???

I hope we get as near that as we can given the possible complete collapse of Labour

Imagine the SNP getting to 55 before The Rangers. 😳

[GlesgaeHibby]

Is this effectively SNP 56 given Neal Hanvey is an independent?

[cabbageandribs1875]

1am+

Rutherglen and Hamilton west should be the first scottish constituency declaring after 1am....2017 result was a labour majority of 265 ( Lab:19,101, SNP: 18,836)

followed by Kilmarnock and Loudon with a 2017 SNP majority of 6,269 (SNP:19,690 - Lab: 13,421)


sunderland will be interesting


61% v 39% voting for brexit in 2016


3am+.....

2017 IDS con majority just 2,438

[Cataplana]

The policies are irrelevant if the message doesn't get across. Corbyn is weak. He's failed time and again to show leadership when required and he's missed several own goals by refusing to savage Johnson when the opportunity has arisen. Say what you like about Alistair Campbell and his ilk but they would have destroyed Johnson over the last few weeks.

I said about 4 years ago that Corbyn's legacy may be to put left wing policy back on the Labour agenda but he was never going to be the man to deliver it. IF he leaves that as a legacy then it's probably not been all bad from him.

I agree with your last paragraph.

I don't think anybody could have stood up to the Tories cynically playing on the worst aspects of human nature.

Those people have not voted to improve their lives. They have voted to give others a kicking. You can't reason with the mob.

[JimBHibees]

Not sure SNP will get 55 seems too many. More likely high 40s imo.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Big Ruth swimming naked in Loch Ness? Christ

[The Tubs]

Which he will promptly say "no" to, and what do we do next?

Go to court.

[Hibbyradge]

If the exit poll is even close to being correct, this result is a disaster for Labour, but it's been on the cards since Corbyn was elected leader.

The line from Milne etc will be that it was Brexit wot done it, but a properly led Labour Party would be preparing for government tonight.

For the last 4 years, the Tories main opposition has come from within their own ranks because Corbyn hasn't laid a glove on them.

But he won't really be all that bothered. He never really wanted to be PM, but he's earned the best part of £600k since 2015vand is reportedly worth a cool net £3m and will receive £1.6m in pension.

Yeah, I know it's the rate for the job, but he's going to be isolated from the financial disaster of the Brexit he couldn't bring himself to properly oppose.

He should apologise to the country before ****ing off for good.

[marinello59]

Is this effectively SNP 56 given Neal Hanvey is an independent?

Surely Hanvey wont get elected. I hope not.

[Moulin Yarns]

Go to court.

The UN right to self determination of any nation is the overarching legal route, IMHO.

[Hibbyradge]

Labours policies are actually good news. People have got to start going beyond binary decisions.

It wasn't Labour's policies that did for them today. It was the incompetent joke of the"leader" they chose.

[MartinfaePorty]

Not sure SNP will get 55 seems too many. More likely high 40s imo.

IIRC, the exit poll in 2015 had SNP winning 58, which ended up being 2 out, so I would say worst case scenario for them would be 50

[cabbageandribs1875]

willy hills very confident


1/50 tory majority

12/1 no overall majority

33/1 Labour majority

[Jones28]

If the exit poll is even close to being correct, this result is a disaster for Labour, but it's been on the cards since Corbyn was elected leader.

The line from Milne etc will be that it was Brexit wot done it, but a properly led Labour Party would be preparing for government tonight.

For the last 4 years, the Tories main opposition has come from within their own ranks because Corbyn hasn't laid a glove on them.

But he won't really be all that bothered. He never really wanted to be PM, but he's earned the best part of £600k since 2015vand is reportedly worth a cool net £3m and will receive £1.6m in pension.

Yeah, I know it's the rate for the job, but he's going to be isolated from the financial disaster of the Brexit he couldn't bring himself to properly oppose.

He should apologise to the country before ****ing off for good.

Great post.

Especially over the last few months any leader worth their salt should’ve been able to take BJ to the cleaners time and time again.

They haven’t addressed anti semitism, they ****ed about with Brexit, the lurched from pr screw up to pr screw up and are getting the kicking they deserve.

Now **** off and let someone give labour a chance.

[Brightside]

Indy a cert now.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That's it now: incompatibility between England and Scotland and indy ref 2 coming - I will switch from no to yes on independence. It's the end, we have different visions of society.

[marinello59]

The policies are irrelevant if the message doesn't get across. Corbyn is weak. He's failed time and again to show leadership when required and he's missed several own goals by refusing to savage Johnson when the opportunity has arisen. Say what you like about Alistair Campbell and his ilk but they would have destroyed Johnson over the last few weeks.

I said about 4 years ago that Corbyn's legacy may be to put left wing policy back on the Labour agenda but he was never going to be the man to deliver it. IF he leaves that as a legacy then it's probably not been all bad from him. **** knows who comes next but I don't envy them. Scotland is a lost cause and the old industrial heartlands of England look like they have gone the same way.

I really liked the Labour manifesto, it ticked a lot of boxes for me. If this exit poll proves to be correct I really feel for the many voters in the rest of the UK who don't have the potential lifeboat that we do up here.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i can't believe list MSP murdo fraser is STILL going on and on about 2014 last vote for a generation utter utter p@sh

[Hibernia&Alba]

Indy a cert now.

Yes, it's done.

[marinello59]

Indy a cert now.

A referendum might be a cert but a yes vote isn't yet.

[Scorrie]

Indy a cert now.

Maybe the only good thing to come out of tonight...and I live in England though not for much longer I think

[JeMeSouviens]

This is wrist slitting stuff. I voted and left the country for the weekend. Think I’m not coming back!

[CloudSquall]

Quite interesting to see McDonnell not give it the "still all to play for" line, he looked like a man defeated by quite some distance.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Great post.

Especially over the last few months any leader worth their salt should’ve been able to take BJ to the cleaners time and time again.

They haven’t addressed anti semitism, they ****ed about with Brexit, the lurched from pr screw up to pr screw up and are getting the kicking they deserve.

Now **** off and let someone give labour a chance.



and take the Momentum group with him, or face decades of tory government

[weecounty hibby]

Murdo ****ing Fraser, what a total and utter ****er. Imagine anyone voting for a party that has that prick as a member

[Mr Grieves]

SNP possibly taking Orkney and Shetland. That would be a bit of a shock.

I can't see it. The Lib Dems have had decent majorities there in every election for years. This exit poll is ****ing mental.

[Hibbyradge]

I hope you can cooperate with this idea.

I'm very interested to find out what happened tonight, but I can't keep my eyes open any longer and I'm sure there are other HG dwellers in the same boat.

Would you guys be good enough to post any significant seat losses or unexpected holds on this thread so we don't have to trawl through the main GE thread for that information, please.

Thanks folks 👍

[cabbageandribs1875]

**** it i'm having to switch channels, murdo fraser rips ma knittin.....which channel is best and DOESN'T have a scottish tory on the panel

[Hibs90]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELnl3gtXUAEDgck?format=jpg&name=medium


My vote this year x

[lapsedhibee]

**** it i'm having to switch channels, murdo fraser rips ma knittin.....which channel is best and DOESN'T have a scottish tory on the panel

Ch4 - but has Johnson pater

[Sylar]

A massive Conservative majority diminishes any chance of Johnson granting an IndyRef2.

More likely an 'unsanctioned' referendum goes ahead, with the result meaning bugger all.

Horrible night for the UK.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/80013641_163676561535380_3516399895441309696_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=E7nOJ30Ip_gAQlD6qBXPwVuHTslZIG2orlQg2vnLqw J8m6mm0dOEjSiyA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=b59486f9b3a85bc6f3653c63098e2c34&oe=5E873637



Nooooooooooo

[ronaldo7]

A referendum might be a cert but a yes vote isn't yet.

Correct. Im just back from door chapping and getting the vote out.

The first stage to getting Indyref2 was to get another landslide in Scotland. If we get over 50 seats, that's done, and we now move forward, and try to get the positivity of YES, and home in on the ex Labour no voters.

Some are turning already.

Welcome aboard guys.

[Jones28]

**** it i'm having to switch channels, murdo fraser rips ma knittin.....which channel is best and DOESN'T have a scottish tory on the panel

Channel 4 is quite good, if you can see passed Stanley Johnson and Amber Rudd.

[660]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELnl3gtXUAEDgck?format=jpg&name=medium


My vote this year x

Hahaha that’s class

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ch4 - but has Johnson pater



eek, nah

[weecounty hibby]

A massive Conservative majority diminishes any chance of Johnson granting an IndyRef2.

More likely an 'unsanctioned' referendum goes ahead, with the result meaning bugger all.

Horrible night for the UK.

I think they will grant it. We are of no use to them now apart from the money we send them but most of England believes we are a burden on them. He knows that Scotland will never ever vote Tory. The English will be happy to see us go as they continue along the path of isolationism

[CloudSquall]

Surely this has to be the death nail in the thoughts of Scotland's remaining Labour unionist vote that their ideas can be implemented UK wide?


Corbyn was promising almost everything they would want, yet England has overwhelmingly told them to take a running jump at themselves.

The likes of Malcolm Chisholm surely must now be thinking "**** it" and turning to independence?

[cabbageandribs1875]

so, jeremy surely has to resign, i mean, surely for the love o the wee man

[CloudSquall]

Christine Jardine on BBC's main coverage, if she gets SNP gained I'm ripping the tap aff it.

[Hibernia&Alba]

A referendum might be a cert but a yes vote isn't yet.

It is, given hard Brexit and massive divergence between England and Scotland. I am one of many who will switch from no to yes. It's game over very soon.

[CloudSquall]

Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak


Labour sources suggesting they'll lose Sunderland Central, Darlington, Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield, NW Durham and Hartlepool - could be a 2015 type Scottish Labour wipe out in NE heartland -remember tho it's still early!

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If this happens Scottish Labour must, finally, admit that it's game set and match? Shirley?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak


Labour sources suggesting they'll lose Sunderland Central, Darlington, Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield, NW Durham and Hartlepool - could be a 2015 type Scottish Labour wipe out in NE heartland -remember tho it's still early!

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If this happens Scottish Labour must, finally, admit that it's game set and match? Shirley?

All going Tory? Shameful

[we are hibs]

A referendum might be a cert but a yes vote isn't yet.

If we vote No again after this complete shambles we will get everything we deserve.

[marinello59]

It is, given hard Brexit and massive divergence between England and Scotland. I am one of many who will switch from no to yes. It's game over very soon.

I hope you are right but i will be taking nothing for granted.

[Hibrandenburg]

It's looking like a real skelping for labour. Brexit is now going to go hard and Westminster v Holyrood is going to get messy.

[Pretty Boy]

Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak


Labour sources suggesting they'll lose Sunderland Central, Darlington, Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield, NW Durham and Hartlepool - could be a 2015 type Scottish Labour wipe out in NE heartland -remember tho it's still early!

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If this happens Scottish Labour must, finally, admit that it's game set and match? Shirley?

Sedgefield?!

Tony Blair once had a 25K+ majority there! Even after the cluster **** that was Iraq it was 18K.

[One Day Soon]

All going Tory? Shameful

This result was coming a mile off. He and they were well warned. There's not enough contempt in the world for that useless bearded ****er and his cronies.

[stokesmessiah]

Must be the end of Corbyn if this comes to pass! ?

[easty]

This result was coming a mile off. He and they were well warned. There's not enough contempt in the world for that useless bearded ****er and his cronies.

Correct.

It’s not even surprising. Corbyn isn’t electable.

[CathroMustStay]

Scotland needs to escape this cesspit of a right wing "Union".

Scottish independence has to be mandatory now.

[lapsedhibee]

eek, nah

He couldn't work out why his party would have a majority of 86 when they were predicted to get 368 seats and the winning mark is 326. Seems not to have understood that the more the winning lot gets than 326, the less the losing lot gets than 326. ****wit.

[cabbageandribs1875]

berwickshire,roxburgh and selkirk tory john lamont with a 11k+ majority and sweating....though i think he will just make it...unfortunately

[cabbageandribs1875]

He couldn't work out why his party would have a majority of 86 when they were predicted to get 368 seats and the winning mark is 326. Seems not to have understood that the more the winning lot gets than 326, the less the losing lot gets than 326. ****wit.


lol :greengrin i might turn oor

[cabbageandribs1875]

kezia dugdale wae her jambo jaicket oan :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Must be the end of Corbyn if this comes to pass! ?

Inevitable

[Bishop Hibee]

I’m reflecting on my old stomping ground of Bishop Auckland, the reason for the ‘Bishop’ in my user name, voting Tory. Labour simply didn’t do enough for the area in spite of a Labour MP being returned for almost a century. A feeling of hopelessness hung in the air even back 18 years ago. There is still the unpalatable fact that Brexit unleashed a lot of thinly hidden racism in an area where I was viewed with suspicion by some as a Scot back then.

The fact is, Scotland has taken a different path from England. A more outward looking left of centre one. If this isn’t recognised by Westminster, there will be dark times ahead. Grant Indy ref 2 and hopefully there will be a brighter future ahead.

[Jones28]

eek, nah

ABORT - Brexit Anne has just appeared 🤢

[Pretty Boy]

Some interesting insight from Kezia there (no really). Pointing out that the SNPs, comparitvely, poor performance in 2017 was largely because they couldn't mobilise their vote, this time they seem to have managed it.

[Vault Boy]

Must be the end of Corbyn if this comes to pass! ?

He and his staffers will be drafting a resignation speech and a continuity plan for their 'brand' of Labour right now. No doubt.

[Jones28]

berwickshire,roxburgh and selkirk tory john lamont with a 11k+ majority and sweating....though i think he will just make it...unfortunately

He will, support for him in the borders is just too strong. I’d love to be wrong though.

[One Day Soon]

Some interesting insight from Kezia there (no really). Pointing out that the SNPs, comparitvely, poor performance in 2017 was largely because they couldn't mobilise their vote, this time they seem to have managed it.

Boris Johnson mobilised it.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Some interesting insight from Kezia there (no really). Pointing out that the SNPs, comparitvely, poor performance in 2017 was largely because they couldn't mobilise their vote, this time they seem to have managed it.

Brexit negotiations and possibility of hard Brexit since.

[CloudSquall]

Caroline Flint giving it both barrels to both "Corbynistas" and "Uber Remainers"

https://twitter.com/CarolineFlintMP/status/1205258899416334336

[Vault Boy]

Danny Wallace's Tweet: 'Brexit isn’t British, it’s English.' is certainly pertinent.

It's gutting, having lived in southern England my entire life, I am absolutely sickened that Westminster has failed Scotland so consistently, meaning that the SNP now have such a grip on those formerly Labour seats. I'm gutted because a Tory majority government fills me with fear.

I understand. If I was in Scotland, I would feel ignored, I'd feel unrepresented over Brexit, I'd hate to see the centralisation of all UK government to one city in England. But it's still so hard to see as I just think we're better together.

At least I'm an Irish citizen, I suppose.

[CloudSquall]

Possible recount in Blyth Valley which required a 10% swing to go Tory, they are going to be pumping Labour silly if this is spread across Labour heartlands...

[Vault Boy]

Caroline Flint giving it both barrels to both "Corbynistas" and "Uber Remainers"

https://twitter.com/CarolineFlintMP/status/1205258899416334336

Absolutely spot on from her IMO. I hope some of the membership see sense.

[ronaldo7]

Boris Johnson mobilised it.

He did help on the door steps. The foot soldiers mobilised though.

[weecounty hibby]

Danny Wallace's Tweet: 'Brexit isn’t British, it’s English.' is certainly pertinent.

It's gutting, having lived in southern England my entire life, I am absolutely sickened that Westminster has failed Scotland so consistently, meaning that the SNP now have such a grip on those formerly Labour seats. I'm gutted because a Tory majority government fills me with fear.

I understand. If I was in Scotland, I would feel ignored, I'd feel unrepresented over Brexit, I'd hate to see the centralisation of all UK government to one city in England. But it's still so hard to see as I just think we're better together.

At least I'm an Irish citizen, I suppose.

I honestly get how you feel, but it is perfectly clear to everyone up here that we are only better together if you are in England

[Mr Grieves]

Some interesting insight from Kezia there (no really). Pointing out that the SNPs, comparitvely, poor performance in 2017 was largely because they couldn't mobilise their vote, this time they seem to have managed it.

I'm an SNP member and there definitely been less complacency. I've had numerous emails, texts, letters in the last couple of days to encourage me to vote and encourage others to do the same. That never happened in 2017

Anyway, I was going to have an early night but now tanning beer that I Had bought as a Christmas present.

[Vault Boy]

I honestly get how you feel, but it is perfectly clear to everyone up here that we are only better together if you are in England

If that would mean Scotland remain in the EU, I couldn't even begin to disagree with that.

Just a very bitter pill to swallow for me, especially as I've got such close ties to Scotland and from a selfish standpoint, want to retain that in a political sense too.

I'd probably vote SNP if I'd been living in Scotland for most of my life. I really do get it.

[CloudSquall]

Possible recount in Blyth Valley which required a 10% swing to go Tory, they are going to be pumping Labour silly if this is spread across Labour heartlands...

A "bundle recount" going on, so not a full one, in any case, Labour is getting humped.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Kate Hoey, Brexiteer and rabid NI loyalist is loving this on BBC.

[Smartie]

Some interesting insight from Kezia there (no really). Pointing out that the SNPs, comparitvely, poor performance in 2017 was largely because they couldn't mobilise their vote, this time they seem to have managed it.

I like Kezia and she has been good to listen to so far.

[One Day Soon]

He did help on the door steps. The foot soldiers mobilised though.

I don't doubt that. I may be an opponent of the SNP and independence but I've a healthy respect for its electoral machine.

[One Day Soon]

I honestly get how you feel, but it is perfectly clear to everyone up here that we are only better together if you are in England

No, it isn't.

[ronaldo7]

I'm an SNP member and there definitely been less complacency. I've had numerous emails, texts, letters in the last couple of days to encourage me to vote and encourage others to do the same. That never happened in 2017

Anyway, I was going to have an early night but now tanning beer that I Had bought as a Christmas present.

The organisation went into overdrive in the last few months. Let's hope we get the results from that hard work.

Enjoy your beers. 👍

[marinello59]

He did help on the door steps. The foot soldiers mobilised though.

Definitely. My constituency was always going to return the SNP MP but they took nothing for granted. There were more leaflets and letters in from them than all of the other parties put together. Labour put out one generic leaflet a couple of days ago. I though they might have tried harder given that there was no Tory candidate.

[weecounty hibby]

If that would mean Scotland remain in the EU, I couldn't even begin to disagree with that.

Just a very bitter pill to swallow for me, especially as I've got such close ties to Scotland and from a selfish standpoint, want to retain that in a political sense too.

I'd probably vote SNP if I'd been living in Scotland for most of my life. I really do get it.
✌️ Take it easy. Don't know you but when your next at ER I'll buy you a pint if you get in touch. Would be good to have a chat about politics and Hibs! I feel your pain, honestly.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No, it isn't.

It should be. There are irreconcilable differences between Scotland and England, as manifested tonight. We have a different view of society.

[weecounty hibby]

No, it isn't.

Righto. You will be looking forward to Brexit then. Good deal for Scotland?

[One Day Soon]

It should be. There are irreconcilable differences between Scotland and England, as manifested tonight. We have a different view of society.

No there aren't. But that's a debate for another time.

[Peevemor]

Where do this man's talents end? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/c104d16543e895b358184b359467ed9d.jpg

[Vault Boy]

✌️ Take it easy. Don't know you but when your next at ER I'll buy you a pint if you get in touch. Would be good to have a chat about politics and Hibs! I feel your pain, honestly.

Sounds good to me, cheers! 👍

First declaration from Newcastle Central.

[Bishop Hibee]

No, it isn't.

Do you not think that a version of Labour/left of centre party would stroll the first election post-independence? The SNP would have splintered. Scotland could have progressive policies closing the gap between rich and poor.

[CloudSquall]

Good point raised on the BBC main coverage, what will the effect be (if any) on so many Tory MPs now representing inner city, working class areas and dealing with the issues that raises?

[Pretty Boy]

Sunderland South - Labour hold.

Brexit 6000 votes, Tories 13000, leave vote split badly there.

[Jones28]

2 labour holds so far.

[One Day Soon]

Where do this man's talents end? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/c104d16543e895b358184b359467ed9d.jpg


Another posturing prick. He can thank his mate for his demise. Good riddance.

[marinello59]

Righto. You will be looking forward to Brexit then. Good deal for Scotland?

It isn’t a good deal for anybody in the UK. Assuming it will catapult us towards Independence would be extremely complacent though.

[Vault Boy]

2 labour holds so far.

Can we blow for full time now? :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

First exit poll mistake.

[Jones28]

Can we blow for full time now? :greengrin

😂

Btw mate, you’ll always be welcome in Scotland 👍🏻

[cabbageandribs1875]

blyth valley tories gain from labour

[Pretty Boy]

Blyth Valley - Tory gain from Labour....

[weecounty hibby]

It isn’t a good deal for anybody in the UK. Assuming it will catapult us towards Independence would be extremely complacent though.

That's not what I meant, I asked if Brexit was good for Scotland seeing as we are better together. You are right, we in Scotland do not believe it is a good thing for the UK but it appears that the rest of the UK does

[Smartie]

If that would mean Scotland remain in the EU, I couldn't even begin to disagree with that.

Just a very bitter pill to swallow for me, especially as I've got such close ties to Scotland and from a selfish standpoint, want to retain that in a political sense too.

I'd probably vote SNP if I'd been living in Scotland for most of my life. I really do get it.

The strongest argument against independence as far as I’m concerned is that it throws the many decent English people under the bus and forces them to endure this far right Tory disgrace for eternity.

But if places like Blyth Valley are going to return Conservative MPs then it’s hard not to say “hell mend them”.

[Vault Boy]

blyth valley tories gain from labour

And so it begins

[CloudSquall]

Blyth Valley - Tory gain from Labour....

It's going to be an absolute blood bath of Labour seats...


A former mining community seat FFS...

[Hibs90]

http://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/otf2uploads/monthly_2019_12/image.thumb.png.8f527068e609ab5d2a9c22095b8f848e.p ng

[Pretty Boy]

That's on a 60%+ turnout and another decent showing by the Brexit Party. Labour's vote down 15%.

[One Day Soon]

First exit poll mistake.

What was that?

[Peevemor]

Another posturing prick. He can thank his mate for his demise. Good riddance.I was meaning the reporter.

[Sir David Gray]

Conservatives gain Blyth Valley.

[CloudSquall]

The strongest argument against independence as far as I’m concerned is that it throws the many decent English people under the bus and forces them to endure this far right Tory disgrace for eternity.

But if places like Blyth Valley are going to return Conservative MPs then it’s hard not to say “hell mend them”.


For me if the results are going to end in line with the Exit Poll that argument now goes out the window, they've decided to throw their votes behind Boris or Nigel, they don't want "saved", it's time to launch the lifeboats for ourselves..

[Vault Boy]

😂

Btw mate, you’ll always be welcome in Scotland 👍🏻

I've never felt otherwise pal, absolutely love it in Scotland. 👌

My dad's from Edinburgh so I'd be covered from a citizenship perspective if it comes to that!

[CloudSquall]

Blyth Valley was Labour since 1931.




Can criticise Farage but the Brexit Party as he said is taking critical votes from Labour in these type of working class seats.

[cabbageandribs1875]

ballot box in paisley been tampered with, evidence taken away by the polis.........damn tamperers

[One Day Soon]

I was meaning the reporter.

I wasn't.

[Hibs90]

A mining town gone Tory :rolleyes:

Better yet, Blyth is completely run down and a complete dump.

[cabbageandribs1875]

And so it begins


looking likely first of many

[Vault Boy]

For me if the results are going to end in line with the Exit Poll that argument now goes out the window, they've decided to throw their votes behind Boris or Nigel, they don't want "saved", it's time to launch the lifeboats for ourselves..

We get what we vote for in England, that's the difference for the Scots and NI I suppose.

That Blyth result really is quite stunning.

[HendoDelivered]

What an absolute shambles. To think working class people have voted Tory. We are doomed.

Pretty heartbreaking seeing “Goodbye NHS” trending on Twitter also.

[Bristolhibby]

Conservatives gain Blyth Valley.

Jesus Christ! I’m I allowed to say these people are idiots? An ex mining town no less. Absolutely decimated by the Tories, now they are voting them in, believing Brexit will improve their lot.

Suppose that’s what got us here in the first place.

Thing is they aren’t doing anything to displace the assumption.

Turkeys for Christmas.

J

[Pretty Boy]

A mining town gone Tory :rolleyes:

Better yet, Blyth is completely run down and a complete dump.

I said it earlier regarding Scotland but it extends to places like Blyth. People there just don't feel the same affinity to Labour now that their parents and grandparents did.

For whatever reason Labour aren't connecting with them. It's easy to call them idiots, in fact in some cases it's justified, but it still poses plenty questions and Labour need to find the answers. Johnson is offering one, albeit it's a false one, but a lot of people really believe Brexit is the answer to their problems.

[Hibrandenburg]

What was that?

Sunderland South. Exit poll predicted tory gain.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No there aren't. But that's a debate for another time.

There are. Surely you see that tonight's results show an irreconcilable schism between Scotland and England? It's game over: they have moved more to the right, we more to the left. They are massively pro-Brexit, we massively pro-Remain. There is nothing to discuss; we see the world differently.

[CloudSquall]

All kicking off on Twitter :greengrin

https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1205270997290684421

[Hibernia&Alba]

Conservatives gain Blyth Valley.

That's like the Tories winning Coatbridge. It's carnage.

[Hibs90]

I said it earlier regarding Scotland but it extends to places like Blyth. People there just don't feel the same affinity to Labour now that their parents and grandparents did.

For whatever reason Labour aren't connecting with them. It's easy to call them idiots, in fact in some cases it's justified, but it still poses plenty questions and Labour need to find the answers. Johnson is offering one, albeit it's a false one, but a lot of people really believe Brexit is the answer to their problems.

I strongly believe there is some sort of intelligence/racism thing at play with towns like Blyth going Tory too.

[CloudSquall]

Robert Peston saying on Twitter that the SNP vote could be around 50%, not sure what he is basing that on but it seems from early indications that the SNP has got their vote out this time around.

[Jones28]

All kicking off on Twitter :greengrin

https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1205270997290684421

What a ****ing idiot.

[One Day Soon]

There are. Surely you see that tonight's results show an irreconcilable schism between Scotland and England? It's game over: they have moved more to the right, we more to the left. They are massively pro-Brexit, we massively pro-Remain. There is nothing to discuss; we see the world differently.


Tonight's results show that if you put up an incontestably ***** Labour leader with a toxically poisoned Labour Party brand you will get humped in the election and deservedly so. The massive beneficiaries of that are the Tories and the Nats. These results are more about negative rejections than positive endorsements.

[Jones28]

I said it earlier regarding Scotland but it extends to places like Blyth. People there just don't feel the same affinity to Labour now that their parents and grandparents did.

For whatever reason Labour aren't connecting with them. It's easy to call them idiots, in fact in some cases it's justified, but it still poses plenty questions and Labour need to find the answers. Johnson is offering one, albeit it's a false one, but a lot of people really believe Brexit is the answer to their problems.

The Labour Party is being crushed by the weight of its own piety. Champagne socialism is the perception in these areas and who is offering a real alternative? The Tory’s. It’s an awful alternative, but it’s different to what they’ve been doing for 50 years when labour haven’t made tangible differences to their lives.

[ACLeith]

Our latest granddaughter safely arrived into this world 5 hours ago. What kind of a world are we bequeathing her? In 15-20 years how will history look back at tonight? I am holding onto the hope that the Scottish exit polls are accurate and this is the start of giving her a caring country that will make its own decisions - and yes it’s own mistakes - that she will be proud to be part of.

Good luck girl, you’ll need it

[H18 SFR]

What a ****ing idiot.

What happened the video is down.

[ballengeich]

A mining town gone Tory :rolleyes:

Better yet, Blyth is completely run down and a complete dump.

The question for the future is how the inhabitants react when Brexit doesn't improve their town.

[Jones28]

What happened the video is down.

It was twitter exchange between the outed labour candidate who implied a sarcastic thanks to the 3000 votes that went green and Lib Dem. I wasn’t aware of a video.

[Pretty Boy]

I strongly believe there is some sort of intelligence/racism thing at play with towns like Blyth going Tory too.

I'd say that's a given in some instances. The general rhetoric from the top down confirms it's a factor.

However the point still remains that Labour continue to fail to engage. The days of the shop steward being a local hero and a monkey with a red rosette walking elections in north England and Scotland are gone. After every defeat Labour say they will listen to what people are telling them yet they seem to be isolating ever more of their traditional support. I think part of the issue is their traditional vote is so diverse. One such person could well go 2 foreign holidays a year and drive a top of the range car whilst another is visiting a foodbank.

Johnson has his Brexit, the SNP have their independence, Labour had a Poundland Michael Foot surrounded by yes men who would rather be ideologically pure in opposition than give any concessions to get into a position to enact change.

[One Day Soon]

What happened the video is down.

Corbynistas beginning to lose their 5hit as they collide with reality.

[marinello59]

I strongly believe there is some sort of intelligence/racism thing at play with towns like Blyth going Tory too.

When the current system leaves you feeling like you have been left behind and ignored then voting for a radical change in that system like Brexit isn’t that dumb a move. If the remain parties had addressed that after the referendum we might not have been facing a night like tonight.

[H18 SFR]

It was twitter exchange between the outed labour candidate who implied a sarcastic thanks to the 3000 votes that went green and Lib Dem. I wasn’t aware of a video.

Cheers.

[One Day Soon]

When the current system leaves you feeling like you have been left behind and ignored then voting for a radical change in that system like Brexit isn’t that dumb a move. If the remain parties had addressed that after the referendum we might not have been facing a night like tonight.

Absolutely bang on.

[weecounty hibby]

Tonight's results show that if you put up an incontestably ***** Labour leader with a toxically poisoned Labour Party brand you will get humped in the election and deservedly so. The massive beneficiaries of that are the Tories and the Nats. These results are more about negative rejections than positive endorsements.

You can keep telling yourself that to make you feel better all you want but the fact is that in Scotland only one party had a positive message and they look like being the big winner in Scotland tonight. Con/lab/libs were all campaigning on a ticket of telling us what we can't do!! Your right though Labour no longer have a leader, they have a protester. They also in Scotland jumped into bed with the Tories in 2014 and people don't forget that.

[CloudSquall]

Ian Murray not holding back either:

Every door I knocked on, and my team and I spoke to 11,000 people, mentioned Corbyn. Not Brexit but Corbyn. I’ve been saying this for years. The outcome is that we’ve let the country down and we must change course and fast.


https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP

[Jones28]

Tonight's results show that if you put up an incontestably ***** Labour leader with a toxically poisoned Labour Party brand you will get humped in the election and deservedly so. The massive beneficiaries of that are the Tories and the Nats. These results are more about negative rejections than positive endorsements.

The negative rejection in Scotland would be in the Tory’s favour surely?

[GlesgaeHibby]

Ian Murray not holding back either:

Every door I knocked on, and my team and I spoke to 11,000 people, mentioned Corbyn. Not Brexit but Corbyn. I’ve been saying this for years. The outcome is that we’ve let the country down and we must change course and fast.


https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP

Exit poll reckons it's very tight in his seat. Sticking the boot into Corbyn early.

[CloudSquall]

Sedgefield?!

Tony Blair once had a 25K+ majority there! Even after the cluster **** that was Iraq it was 18K.


The MP in that seat also having a go at Corbyn,

https://twitter.com/VotePhilWilson/status/1205274706439475202



Can't imagine we'll have to wait too long for his resignation as leader.

[Hibby Bairn]

Early results showing Labour leave vote going mainly to Brexit Party leaving Tories to take the seats.

[One Day Soon]

You can keep telling yourself that to make you feel better all you want but the fact is that in Scotland only one party had a positive message and they look like being the big winner in Scotland tonight. Con/lab/libs were all campaigning on a ticket of telling us what we can't do!! Your right though Labour no longer have a leader, they have a protester. They also in Scotland jumped into bed with the Tories in 2014 and people don't forget that.

Not sure that's an entirely objective assessment...

[Bristolhibby]

Our latest granddaughter safely arrived into this world 5 hours ago. What kind of a world are we bequeathing her? In 15-20 years how will history look back at tonight? I am holding onto the hope that the Scottish exit polls are accurate and this is the start of giving her a caring country that will make its own decisions - and yes it’s own mistakes - that she will be proud to be part of.

Good luck girl, you’ll need it

Congratulations. A real reason to celebrate.

J

[One Day Soon]

The negative rejection in Scotland would be in the Tory’s favour surely?

Vote Tory in England because Corbyn is crap, vote SNP in Scotland to stop Johnson because Corbyn is too crap to do it.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Not sure that's an entirely objective assessment...

I voted No in the last independence referendum, but I would rather live in a progressive independent Scotland than a hard right pro-Brexit, pro-neoliberal UK. How about you?

[Bristolhibby]

I voted No in the last independence referendum, but I would rather live in a progressive independent Scotland than a hard right pro-Brexit, pro-neoliberal UK. How about you?

Truth!

It’s comin.

J

[Hibs90]

Bridgend going Tory..
1500 jobs being lost due to Brexit at Ford alone and they will be left alone even more to rot away. Idiots.

[One Day Soon]

I voted No in the last independence referendum, but I would rather live in a progressive independent Scotland than a hard right pro-Brexit, pro-neoliberal UK. How about you?

I voted No in the last independence referendum , but I would rather live in a progressive UK than a separate Scotland facing another decade of austerity after any independence vote. But I repeat, that is a debate for another time.

[Pretty Boy]

The leave vote seems to be fracturing between the Tories and Brexit Party in a few areas. That's a couple of seats now Labour have lost a huge number of votes but held on, in part, because of that split in vote.

[BigKev]

I voted No in the last independence referendum , but I would rather live in a progressive UK than a separate Scotland facing another decade of austerity after any independence vote. But I repeat, that is a debate for another time.

Why would Scotland face 10years of austerity by becoming independent?

We could always follow the Tory example of austerity and increase out national debt by say £1trillion....

[BigKev]

The leave vote seems to be fracturing between the Tories and Brexit Party in a few areas. That's a couple of seats now Labour have lost a huge number of votes but held on, in part, because of that split in vote.

Still projecting the 86 seat majority though PB

[Hibernia&Alba]

I voted No in the last independence referendum , but I would rather live in a progressive UK than a separate Scotland facing another decade of austerity after any independence vote. But I repeat, that is a debate for another time.

That's off the table; it's one or the other.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Labour "not confident" in taking johnsons constituency...:grr:






just noticed blyth valley had been labour since 1930, gulp

[weecounty hibby]

I voted No in the last independence referendum , but I would rather live in a progressive UK than a separate Scotland facing another decade of austerity after any independence vote. But I repeat, that is a debate for another time.
Good luck finding that progressive UK. A progressive Scotland, you may find easier. And why, yet again as Labour have done time and again, focus on a negative. 10 years of austerity?

[One Day Soon]

Why would Scotland face 10years of austerity by becoming independent?

We could always follow the Tory example of austerity and increase out national debt by say £1trillion....

Read the Institute of Fiscal Studies analysis of the proposals from Andrew Wilson's Sustainable Growth Commission. 10 years of austerity after independence.

[One Day Soon]

Good luck finding that progressive UK. A progressive Scotland, you may find easier. And why, yet again as Labour have done time and again, focus on a negative. 10 years of austerity?

Take your argument up with the Institue of Fiscal Studies.

[Mr Grieves]

Ian Murray looking safe. Jo Swinson not so much

[ACLeith]

Congratulations. A real reason to celebrate.

J

Thanks BH. Whatever bricks adults throw at you grandchildren can deflect, just by smiling and giving you their support. True of politics and especially true coming home from ER after a bad day 👍

[CloudSquall]

80% turnout in Jo Swinson for PM seat.

[Callum_62]

Wonder is Nic will get a seat at the next leaders debate if the 55 seats materialise....

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[One Day Soon]

That's off the table; it's one or the other.

Thanks for the false binary, but no it isn't. Let's have tonight's election results first, plenty time to debate the consequences afterwards.

[weecounty hibby]

Just have a listen to the eejit on BBC trying to convince everyone that it's not too bad for Labour. What a ****ing idiot, imagine even contemplayvoting for that.

[One Day Soon]

Ian Murray looking safe. Jo Swinson not so much

She really brought this on herself.

[Mr Grieves]

Adam Tomkins desperately deflecting from the Scottish Tories deficiencies there

[weecounty hibby]

Thanks for the false binary, but no it isn't. Let's have tonight's election results first, plenty time to debate the consequences afterwards.

You keep saying that. When should we discuss these things? Once the Westminster parties tell us to? Once Labour get themselves back as a credible party again?

[One Day Soon]

Just have a listen to the eejit on BBC trying to convince everyone that it's not too bad for Labour. What a ****ing idiot, imagine even contemplayvoting for that.

He really is something special. Former teacher I believe and carrying a lot of small man syndrome. A gigantic conceit of himself with not much to be conceited about.

[The Tubs]

Read the Institute of Fiscal Studies analysis of the proposals from Andrew Wilson's Sustainable Growth Commission. 10 years of austerity after independence.

Is the Sustainable Growth Commission based on adopting the pound? I think a lot can be done to make the outlook better.

[One Day Soon]

You keep saying that. When should we discuss these things? Once the Westminster parties tell us to? Once Labour get themselves back as a credible party again?

Well you can discuss it whenever you like I guess. It's not like we couldn't wait until tomorrow or the weekend or next week...I mean there is an election night set of results to digest first surely?

[weecounty hibby]

He really is something special. Former teacher I believe and carrying a lot of small man syndrome. A gigantic conceit of himself with not much to be conceited about.

I am about to agree with you tonight here😀. Sad to say that is an example of why Labour are struggling. No self awareness of where they are going wrong

[easty]

You keep saying that. When should we discuss these things? Once the Westminster parties tell us to? Once Labour get themselves back as a credible party again?

I’m massively for independence, but agree with ODS, this thread and now isn’t for discussing it.

Can we keep this about the GE?

[Mr Grieves]

She really brought this on herself.

I feel a bit sorry for the Lib Dems. Apparently the scrapping brexit stuff was very popular in focus groups but never amplified in the wider population. Plus they never had a particularly likeable leader. It could have been very different with a Charles Kennedy or early nick clegg in charge

[Hibernia&Alba]

Thanks for the false binary, but no it isn't. Let's have tonight's election results first, plenty time to debate the consequences afterwards.

There is no false binary, it's so clear England and Scotland are on divergent paths; we must now even suffer the sight of big Ruth in the scud in Loch ness. I say this as someone who voted against independence last time - there are irreconcilable differences.

[One Day Soon]

Is the Sustainable Growth Commission based on adopting the pound? I think a lot can be done to make the outlook better.

I can't immediately recall but I don't think it came to a specific conclusion for fairly obvious reasons. It gave its best shot to outlining the most positive position possible. It and the IFS commentary are worth a read.

[cabbageandribs1875]

sunderland east


lab 15k
tory 12k


brexit party 5k



brexit party stiff the tories again

[Mr Grieves]

The organisation went into overdrive in the last few months. Let's hope we get the results from that hard work.

Enjoy your beers. 👍

I wish I had the time to get more involved, mate. Good on you :aok:

[Rocky]

Read the Institute of Fiscal Studies analysis of the proposals from Andrew Wilson's Sustainable Growth Commission. 10 years of austerity after independence.

The IFS conducts its analysis through a neoliberal lens

[The Tubs]

I can't immediately recall but I don't think it came to a specific conclusion for fairly obvious reasons. It gave its best shot to outlining the most positive position possible. It and the IFS commentary are worth a read.

I'm pretty certain it is. I've only ever read critiques, though I might have a look over the holidays. As far as I've been informed, it's orthodox economics. Obviously, anything more radical is only going to be criticised even more by such an institution. However, a small - or even large - well-educated nation will have the opportunity to challenge prevailing economic beliefs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswunder

[Callum_62]

Who was that boy on here that went on and on and labour's grand plan?

Turns out he was spot on [emoji102]

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[bigwheel]

sunderland east


lab 15k
tory 12k


brexit party 5k



brexit party stiff the tories again

They don’t need them ...winning by a landslide

[Smartie]

Who was that boy on here that went on and on and labour's grand plan?

Turns out he was spot on [emoji102]

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Ignsh and FifeHibee should both have been allowed out of deep freeze this evening.


On a separate note, the exit poll kills this a bit, doesn’t it?

[ronaldo7]

Neil Findlay is absolutely losing his **** on STV at the moment.

[cabbageandribs1875]

They don’t need them ...winning by a landslide



labour ahead 8-2 at the moment dan sarf :greengrin

[Smartie]

Neil Findlay is absolutely losing his **** on STV at the moment.

What was he saying?

He’d finished by the time I turned over.

[Frankhfc]

Not a bad result. The English have an English government in England with the Scottish having a Scottish one here. A fine balance. I hate nationalism as does science with juggling neutrons/protons/carbon/oxygen etc all being within the natural order. We continue to live in harmony within the fine UK. imho.

[ronaldo7]

What was he saying?

He’d finished by the time I turned over.

Giving it large to Gisela Stuart, and nearly greeting about the Blyth result.

[Callum_62]

Not a bad result. The English have an English government in England with the Scottish having a Scottish one here. A fine balance. I hate nationalism as does science with juggling neutrons/protons/carbon/oxygen etc all being within the natural order. We continue to live in harmony within the fine UK. imho.[emoji23][emoji23]

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[Frankhfc]

[emoji23][emoji23]

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Pathetic reaction,

What is it you really want to say big boy.

[The Tubs]

Which channel are you all watching?

I'm in GMT +3 so I'd have to put a proxy on to see British TV and I'm only starting to have the courage to do it after a few beers. I really don't think I could stomach BBC

[cabbageandribs1875]

SNP gain Hamilton west from labour