New manager thread

[CapitalGreen]

Of course whoever comes in will have to fit within a budget, it'd e daft to suggest otherwise.
My understanding re Clarke is he is only in Scottish football because he has an affinity with Kilmarnock.
Any move away from Killie will be a move away from Scotland.

Wright is working wonders and there will be people on here who would like to see him at Hibs and people on here who don't.

Is there any way you could post an opinion without it sounding like a dig at the club for doing something that hasn't happened yet?

Agree with this. I would like Clarke to be our next manager but if I was in his position I wouldn’t take the Hibs job so I’m not going to blame the club for not getting him.

[CapitalGreen]

Graeme Jones a possibility?

He’s currently 3rd favourite on SkyBet for the Luton job suggesting he’s looking to become a manager in his own right. He has spent 10 years as assistant to Roberto Martinez at Swansea, Wigan, Everton, Belgium and most recently as assistant to Darren Moore at West Brom.

[04Sauzee]

Graeme Jones a possibility?

He’s currently 3rd favourite on SkyBet for the Luton job suggesting he’s looking to become a manager in his own right. He has spent 10 years as assistant to Roberto Martinez at Swansea, Wigan, Everton, Belgium and most recently as assistant to Darren Moore at West Brom.

Played 41 games for St Johnston and I can't even remember him. Certainly done his apprenticeship, I'm surprised at 48 he hasn't had his own gig by now

[CapitalGreen]

Played 41 games for St Johnston and I can't even remember him. Certainly done his apprenticeship, I'm surprised at 48 he hasn't had his own gig by now

True, however his career as an assistant was progressing on a continual upward trajectory over this time, peaking last summer with reaching the semi finals with Belgium at the World Cup.

[Hibbyradge]

Time will tell.

Maybe we can use this as a measure of our boards current level of ambition?

Maybe, but probably not.

Mowbray underwhelmed most Hibs fans when he first arrived, as did Stubbs. They didn't do too badly.

Butcher cost us a lot, and it was seen as an ambitious signing. You know the rest.

If managers and recruitment teams are supposed to be able to find " hidden gems", there's no reason our board shouldn't try to do the same with a new head coach.

[Hibbyradge]

On the poached comment . Whoever we appoint, if their a success, they will, no doubt be off . That’s why I would like Gordon Strachan as I don’t think he would leave if successful. Hibs fan and he wanted finish his playing career with us . So managing us could be appealing.

That's a good point, but I think he's ruled himself out.

I'd support him if he arrived, but I'm not convinced he's what we need. His personality and his relationship with the media might become irritating.

[Lago]

:faf:

Straight to the point, I'll give you that.

We're not suppose to talk about it !!

[Hibbyradge]

We're not suppose to talk about it !!

First rule of, er, ...

[Unseen work]

Graeme Jones a possibility?

He’s currently 3rd favourite on SkyBet for the Luton job suggesting he’s looking to become a manager in his own right. He has spent 10 years as assistant to Roberto Martinez at Swansea, Wigan, Everton, Belgium and most recently as assistant to Darren Moore at West Brom.

The sort of person I would like to go for and would be exciting.

Coached at the very top with good managers wanting him as assistant
Will have a good knowledge of Scottish football having played up here
Will have very good contacts
Being part of Martinez squad I would think he wants to play the hibs way.
Young and ambitious

[angus hibby]

Graeme Jones a possibility?

He’s currently 3rd favourite on SkyBet for the Luton job suggesting he’s looking to become a manager in his own right. He has spent 10 years as assistant to Roberto Martinez at Swansea, Wigan, Everton, Belgium and most recently as assistant to Darren Moore at West Brom.

Untried but this would be my choice. Having worked under Martínez for so long, you would think he’d want to play a similar style of football. He’s on talksport a fair bit, speaks very well. He’s from Gateshead I think.

Not sure Hibs will be looking for someone who hasn’t been a No 1 before though.

[we are hibs]

Didn’t a Lithuanian forward score?

Valdas Trykas. Didn't score but started upfront on his own and was excellent. May have scored in a 2-1 win over Motherwell a few days later

[Hibbyradge]

Graeme Jones a possibility?

He’s currently 3rd favourite on SkyBet for the Luton job suggesting he’s looking to become a manager in his own right. He has spent 10 years as assistant to Roberto Martinez at Swansea, Wigan, Everton, Belgium and most recently as assistant to Darren Moore at West Brom.

That's an intriguing suggestion.

[CapitalGreen]

Had a look on the West Brom message board about Graeme Jones (yeah I know, get a life!). To a man they are all saying they think he would make an excellent Head Coach/Manager in his own right with one even suggesting they’d like him to be the main man at West Brom.

[madhatter]

Hibs need to get the cash out this summer for the new head coach. I hope we start playing younger players as well. Porteous, Mackie, Murray and Shaw look quite good but we need to be better at pushing them on to the next stage.

Need to go back to the basics, we need a team rather than a list of big names. We have an ex-Juventus midfielder, a Genoa player on loan, an ex-Feyenoord LB, Gauld on loan, Mallan and so on...on paper we have good players but we have a disjointed team. I hope the new head coach is a bit of a tactician as well because we've not been great at the basics for a very long time - shape, set pieces, throw-ins etc.

Anyway, does anyone think we'll have anybody close to appointment by Raith?

[Nicho87]

I can’t believe so many are opposed to Stubbs.

a manager who is guilty of signing, sir David gray, Dylan McGeouch, Scott Allan and John McGinn.

had us playing good attacking football. Granted we were no where near the finished article but for a first division club to get to two cup finals in one season is remarkable. Give me more days out at Hampden.

really quite surprised so many are anti-Stubbs.

[madhatter]

I can’t believe so many are opposed to Stubbs.

a manager who is guilty of signing, sir David gray, Dylan McGeouch, Scott Allan and John McGinn.

had us playing good attacking football. Granted we were no where near the finished article but for a first division club to get to two cup finals in one season is remarkable. Give me more days out at Hampden.

really quite surprised so many are anti-Stubbs.

Imagine he came and did poor, imagine we finished bottom six next season. It's Franck Sauzee territory for me. Hero that now has virtually no contact with the club and its fans because of how he was treated. Cup winning legend to being hounded out the club is what I worry about. You can call it anti-Stubbs but maybe it's people trying to protect his reputation at the club.

Also, did Hibs not buy McGinn while we were still looking for a manager?

[shamo9]

Imagine he came and did poor, imagine we finished bottom six next season. It's Franck Sauzee territory for me. Hero that now has virtually no contact with the club and its fans because of how he was treated. Cup winning legend to being hounded out the club is what I worry about. You can call it anti-Stubbs but maybe it's people trying to protect his reputation at the club.

Also, did Hibs not buy McGinn while we were still looking for a manager?

No, Stubbs bought him in the summer of 2015. The start of his second year.

[madhatter]

No, Stubbs bought him in the summer of 2015. The start of his second year.

Fair enough, I've obviously forgotten a lot already. Think Hibs were still the ones that signed him though. I remember Leeann talking about McGinn signing and what the club were trying to do (find talent and develop them as players). My impression is that Lennon was more focussed on a player's reputation than Stubbs - meaning Stubbs was more flexible with the players that George Craig and Graeme Mathie recommended. Look at the signings we made since Lennon took charge, can't help but think he's said "get me internationalists" because its been relentless even if they don't fit the team.

We signed players struggling to get their career going and hungry youngsters trying to make a name for themselves. Now it is seasoned internationalists who haven't had a club in months (Mavrias and Nelom) or numerous loans. Building a team seems to have gone out the window.

[The 90+2]

Fair enough, I've obviously forgotten a lot already. Think Hibs were still the ones that signed him though. I remember Leeann talking about McGinn signing and what the club were trying to do (find talent and develop them as players). My impression is that Lennon was more focussed on a player's reputation than Stubbs - meaning Stubbs was more flexible with the players that George Craig and Graeme Mathie recommended. Look at the signings we made since Lennon took charge, can't help but think he's said "get me internationalists" because its been relentless even if they don't fit the team.

We signed players struggling to get their career going and hungry youngsters trying to make a name for themselves. Now it is seasoned internationalists who haven't had a club in months (Mavrias and Nelom) or numerous loans. Building a team seems to have gone out the window.

I think that’s why the club will no re-empathise the head coach part when brining in the next nanasger imo.

[Hector Mudflap]

I am also staggered by the undertone of some anti Stubbs postings. He gave me the best football memory of my life which is a debt I can never re-pay. Over forty years of hurt washed away. The day he left I said to friends that the saddest part for me was the feeling that the class and warmth that we had at the club was now lost and I feared what any new manager would bring. NL coming on board didn't fill me with any great joy and it genuinely annoyed me with how he felt he was doing us a big favour and taking such a time to finally arrive. I never took to his style and I don't think he brought anything special to the club. I really don't. Alan Stubbs had class and IMHO he changed the way we as a collective and football fans around the globe viewed our club. NL brought the negative baggage along with any qualities he had.
There is no room for bullying in any work place and if we are led to believe that thats what went on then he had not a leg to stand on. I hope he gets help for the demons he has but he is better out of Scotland and the bigots that follow his every move. Honestly he was talked about just as much on the Rangers and Hearts boards as he was on here. When did anyone have a manger that was hated and admired by different factions as much?
The general rule of thumb is the managers term and it seldom lasts.
I would love to see Alan Stubbs come back and galvanise the team and the fans again. We have some absolutely cracking players that just need the confidence and the fun to be put back. You don't get that with bullying and throwing punches or teapots.
There is class there is first class and then there is Hibs class.
Alan Stubbs has it in spades.
He is Hibs class.

That's my two pence worth.

[The 90+2]

Top post.

[allezsauzee]

I can’t believe so many are opposed to Stubbs.

a manager who is guilty of signing, sir David gray, Dylan McGeouch, Scott Allan and John McGinn.

had us playing good attacking football. Granted we were no where near the finished article but for a first division club to get to two cup finals in one season is remarkable. Give me more days out at Hampden.

really quite surprised so many are anti-Stubbs.

I'm afraid Stubbs would be found out as having no plan B. Even against teams like Dumbarton and Alloa we managed to drop points because of this. He did make some excellent signings though so I'm sure we could do worse.

[Joe6-2]

Heard that there's no chance of Stubbs coming back as last time he was here he was pumping the physio...

The Supergrass song?

[MyJo]

Heard that there's no chance of Stubbs coming back as last time he was here he was pumping the physio...

Lol, he’s gonnae pump her :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Somewhere on this thread, our new manager will have been mentioned
Everyone agree?

[Hector Mudflap]

I'm afraid Stubbs would be found out as having no plan B. Even against teams like Dumbarton and Alloa we managed to drop points because of this. He did make some excellent signings though so I'm sure we could do worse.

Hiccups always happen and when the players enter the field it's not the manager that has the ball. He made some excellent technical formations and some of the games like Aberdeen at Er in the cup or Dundee Utd in the cup were spectacular wins. Do we remember the days of Colin Nish starting and Riordan on the bench? Those Yogi days are some of my worst memories.

He loves the club and for me thats one of THE most important things.
I was there in the days of Sauzee and his failed attempt but the reality was the players he had were never up to the task. They are now.

We can still make the top six

It's like Brexit for Hibs.
Stand together and we can make the change and build a foundation for years to come.
:flag:

[CallumLaidlaw]

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[madhatter]

Hiccups always happen and when the players enter the field it's not the manager that has the ball. He made some excellent technical formations and some of the games like Aberdeen at Er in the cup or Dundee Utd in the cup were spectacular wins. Do we remember the days of Colin Nish starting and Riordan on the bench? Those Yogi days are some of my worst memories.

He loves the club and for me thats one of THE most important things.
I was there in the days of Sauzee and his failed attempt but the reality was the players he had were never up to the task. They are now.

We can still make the top six

It's like Brexit for Hibs.
Stand together and we can make the change and build a foundation for years to come.
:flag:

You lost me at Brexit for Hibs...

Brexit is a calamity so I'd hope there are no comparisons to be made here.

[Nicho87]

I'm afraid Stubbs would be found out as having no plan B. Even against teams like Dumbarton and Alloa we managed to drop points because of this. He did make some excellent signings though so I'm sure we could do worse.

Lennon also got some poor results. Every manager at every club will get poor results somewhere. For me Stubbs ticks a lot of boxes. I’d much rather Stubbs than some unheard of English manager who has no history of Scottish football.

[SHODAN]

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Mehhhh

[erin go bragh]

Somewhere on this thread, our new manager will have been mentioned
Everyone agree?

No :) Hibs might pull another Mowbray/Stubbs out the hat .

[hibeerealist]

I am also staggered by the undertone of some anti Stubbs postings. He gave me the best football memory of my life which is a debt I can never re-pay. Over forty years of hurt washed away. The day he left I said to friends that the saddest part for me was the feeling that the class and warmth that we had at the club was now lost and I feared what any new manager would bring. NL coming on board didn't fill me with any great joy and it genuinely annoyed me with how he felt he was doing us a big favour and taking such a time to finally arrive. I never took to his style and I don't think he brought anything special to the club. I really don't. Alan Stubbs had class and IMHO he changed the way we as a collective and football fans around the globe viewed our club. NL brought the negative baggage along with any qualities he had.
There is no room for bullying in any work place and if we are led to believe that thats what went on then he had not a leg to stand on. I hope he gets help for the demons he has but he is better out of Scotland and the bigots that follow his every move. Honestly he was talked about just as much on the Rangers and Hearts boards as he was on here. When did anyone have a manger that was hated and admired by different factions as much?
The general rule of thumb is the managers term and it seldom lasts.
I would love to see Alan Stubbs come back and galvanise the team and the fans again. We have some absolutely cracking players that just need the confidence and the fun to be put back. You don't get that with bullying and throwing punches or teapots.
There is class there is first class and then there is Hibs class.
Alan Stubbs has it in spades.
He is Hibs class.

That's my two pence worth.

nice post Hector

[04Sauzee]

Someone on FB saying Dean Holden was interviewed today [emoji1745]*[emoji3603]


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Assistant to Lee Johnson at Bristol City, Lee Johnson played for Hearts.

Just thought I'd share that info 😂 :)

[Hector Mudflap]

You lost me at Brexit for Hibs...

Brexit is a calamity so I'd hope there are no comparisons to be made here.

Lol
Yes Brexit is a mess but that's the point.
We are rudderless and bungling along without a proper direction.
NL has left and isn't coming back. It matters not why.

We need stability and when it happens (soon please) then we need to get fully behind the new guy and push forward.

Watching Panorama at the same time which probably got in the way of the real important current events!

[madhatter]

Lol
Yes Brexit is a mess but that's the point.
We are rudderless and bungling along without a proper direction.
NL has left and isn't coming back. It matters not why.

We need stability and when it happens (soon please) then we need to get fully behind the new guy and push forward.

Watching Panorama at the same time which probably got in the way of the real important current events!

I'll be right behind the head coach as long as it is an inspired choice. Think most fans will be the same.

[brog]

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A very popular guy at Bristol & everywhere he's played. Similarly with Graeme Jones, he was very popular at St J, apart from eating all the post match pies! That alone might rule him out for ER! Through Martinez, Graeme Jones obviously has more experience but never previously managed whereas I think Holden was previously Bolton manager. John Doolan also never managed but his knowledge & affection for our club is a big plus. I do think our new manager will have a similar profile to those guys.

[04Sauzee]

Michael Jolley is an interesting one, maybe to much of the Cathro's about him, although he is older than Cathro and doing an OK job at Grimsby

[Robbo6-2]

Michael Jolley is an interesting one, maybe to much of the Cathro's about him, although he is older than Cathro and doing an OK job at Grimsby

Jolly is more Rix than Cathro

[04Sauzee]

Jolly is more Rix than Cathro

Christ so he is I never read that, seen his name on Twitter and just looked at his wiki stats.

Scrub that FFS

[brog]

I am also staggered by the undertone of some anti Stubbs postings. He gave me the best football memory of my life which is a debt I can never re-pay. Over forty years of hurt washed away. The day he left I said to friends that the saddest part for me was the feeling that the class and warmth that we had at the club was now lost and I feared what any new manager would bring. NL coming on board didn't fill me with any great joy and it genuinely annoyed me with how he felt he was doing us a big favour and taking such a time to finally arrive. I never took to his style and I don't think he brought anything special to the club. I really don't. Alan Stubbs had class and IMHO he changed the way we as a collective and football fans around the globe viewed our club. NL brought the negative baggage along with any qualities he had.
There is no room for bullying in any work place and if we are led to believe that thats what went on then he had not a leg to stand on. I hope he gets help for the demons he has but he is better out of Scotland and the bigots that follow his every move. Honestly he was talked about just as much on the Rangers and Hearts boards as he was on here. When did anyone have a manger that was hated and admired by different factions as much?
The general rule of thumb is the managers term and it seldom lasts.
I would love to see Alan Stubbs come back and galvanise the team and the fans again. We have some absolutely cracking players that just need the confidence and the fun to be put back. You don't get that with bullying and throwing punches or teapots.
There is class there is first class and then there is Hibs class.
Alan Stubbs has it in spades.
He is Hibs class.

That's my two pence worth.

With regard to your comments on AS I agree 100%. People forget the state we were in when he, an untried manager, took over. I've supported Hibs for 60 years, lived through 3 relegations & countless cup disappointments but I believe we we were at the lowest point ever after the Butcher fiasco. Within 2 years he'd won the holy grail which transformed the whole club. People who complain he didn't get us promoted really need a dose of reality. His total of 70 points in both seasons was 1 less than NL achieved & would have seen us promoted by 10 points if he had stayed for a 3rd season. All that on a budget 55% less than we had last season. We should never forget the debt we owe AS.

[04Sauzee]

I'm still not sure about Stubbs, loved what he did at Hibs 1st time around and would be devastated for him if it didn't work out for him 2nd time around.

What went so wrong for him at St Mirren, I know he wasn't given much time but the At Mirren fans never took to him. Most of not all his signings have been emptied. Plus having Jackson as a No2 was bizarre.

If Hibs go for Stubbs he'd get my full support and some

[bingo70]

Christ so he is I never read that, seen his name on Twitter and just looked at his wiki stats.

Scrub that FFS

I think he was cleared of wrong doing was he not?

[The 90+2]

I think he was cleared of wrong doing was he not?

Not sure if he’s such a good fellow still mind.

[hibs#1]

Christ so he is I never read that, seen his name on Twitter and just looked at his wiki stats.

Scrub that FFS

Had never heard of this guy. I'd rather Terry butcher back after I'd googled him.

Actually read the article a bit better seems he was duped rather than a pervert.

[J-C]

People keep saying this that and the other has no management experience so they're ruling them out...you do all realise that the position is for a HEAD COACH, we have other people in positions that take away a lot of the managerial duties and let the new head coach focus on purely coaching, Lennon's biggest problem was that he still thought he was a manager and forgot about the coaching bit. When Stubbs was here he had 2 excellent coaches in Taff and Doolan, who apart from being good coaches also got what the club was all about.

[Robbo6-2]

I think he was cleared of wrong doing was he not?

No he was charged for it.

He's done well to even get a job at Grimbsy to be fair.

[bingo70]

No he was charged for it.

He's done well to even get a job at Grimbsy to be fair.

https://michaeljolleycoach.wordpress.com/

Was cleared of it in the end and rightly so.

Sounds like he’s doing a good job at Grimsby, i would be quite happy if we were considering him.

[DC_Hibs]

Think the Jolley felly would spend too much time editing (further) his own wiki page than transforming our fortunes.

Seems a bit desperate.

[Speedway]

So what do you want?

1. Young exiciting untested

Or

2. Household name managed at higher level

[hibee-boys]

So what do you want?

1. Young exiciting untested

Or

2. Household name managed at higher level

It'll be 1.....we can't afford 2!

[The 90+2]

So what do you want?

1. Young exiciting untested

Or

2. Household name managed at higher level

2.

[CapitalGreen]

So what do you want?

1. Young exiciting untested

Or

2. Household name managed at higher level

3. Whoever the best candidate is regardless of whether they are 1 or 2.

[BegbieHSC]

Extremely uninspired by so many of these names linked.

It seems if we’re not getting Strachan, Stubbs or Doolan, we’ll be getting some no-mark failure from the English Championship/League 1.

I hope we get Strachan or Stubbs tbh. Maybe Doolan. The rest? Nae chance!

Jolly’s got to be the worst link yet - not to mention the disastrous PR that would befall a club of our stature hiring him.

I hope these links are mere bookies speculation, as opposed to the board publicly leaking potential candidates.

[stantonhibby]

It'll be 1.....we can't afford 2!

We afforded Neil Lennon

[bingo70]

So what do you want?

1. Young exiciting untested

Or

2. Household name managed at higher level

1. For me.

Any number 2 that falls into that category will have failed somewhere so they are just as likely to fail with us.

I think there’s an enthusiasm that comes from giving someone their first management job and I personally think that is infectious and what the team needs just now.

Not just any idiot obviously but there’s loads of good coaches, particularly down south, desperate to break into management but can’t as the current fad is to appoint Portuguese or Germans.

[CapitalGreen]

Extremely uninspired by so many of these names linked.

It seems if we’re not getting Strachan, Stubbs or Doolan, we’ll be getting some no-mark failure from the English Championship/League 1.

I hope we get Strachan or Stubbs tbh. Maybe Doolan. The rest? Nae chance!

Jolly’s got to be the worst link yet - not to mention the disastrous PR that would befall a club of our stature hiring him.

I hope these links are mere bookies speculation, as opposed to the board publicly leaking potential candidates.

Would Rodgers, Clarke and McInnes all have been considered Championship failures at one point seeing as they were all sacked from clubs in that division? Lennon too actually come to mention it.

Edit - Stubbs also failed in the Championship

[madhatter]

It'll be 1.....we can't afford 2!

Young coach. Good man manager and tactically sound. I remember Stubbs' interview with Si Ferry, he mentioned something about being like a psychologist and having to treat players like individuals - reigning in the troublesome ones while telling others to express themselves. I'd suggest that's something we've missed since Lennon took charge.

A young coach with 2 first team coaches to come in with him would be ideal. Stubbs' had a brilliant team with him, helped him so much.

[The 90+2]

1. For me.

Any number 2 that falls into that category will have failed somewhere so they are just as likely to fail with us.

I think there’s an enthusiasm that comes from giving someone their first management job and I personally think that is infectious and what the team needs just now.

Not just any idiot obviously but there’s loads of good coaches, particularly down south, desperate to break into management but can’t as the current fad is to appoint Portuguese or Germans.

Many coaches say they learn more when a job doesn’t go too well.

[bingo70]

Extremely uninspired by so many of these names linked.

It seems if we’re not getting Strachan, Stubbs or Doolan, we’ll be getting some no-mark failure from the English Championship/League 1.

I hope we get Strachan or Stubbs tbh. Maybe Doolan. The rest? Nae chance!

Jolly’s got to be the worst link yet - not to mention the disastrous PR that would befall a club of our stature hiring him.

I hope these links are mere bookies speculation, as opposed to the board publicly leaking potential candidates.

Totally out of order ruling Jolley out because of the poor PR. If he’s the best candidate for the job he should get it.

He was cleared of any wrong doing and was actually the victim of the crime, a crime he served a punishment for.

Looks to me like he’s done a terrific job At Grimsby, if that’s enough to warrant getting a job with us is a different matter, however I would hope he’s judged on what he’s done in his career, not any other off field incident.

[ekhibee]

Well Heckingbottom's 9/4 fav with Skybet then 3/1 Strachan and 7/2 Stubbs. Doolan is 5/1. Pretty open betting for this job.

[The 90+2]

Well Heckingbottom's 9/4 fav with Skybet then 3/1 Strachan and 7/2 Stubbs. Doolan is 5/1. Pretty open betting for this job.

Hope it’s sorted this week regardless. Give everyone the chance to move on and move forward.

[04Sauzee]

Extremely uninspired by so many of these names linked.

It seems if we’re not getting Strachan, Stubbs or Doolan, we’ll be getting some no-mark failure from the English Championship/League 1.

I hope we get Strachan or Stubbs tbh. Maybe Doolan. The rest? Nae chance!

Jolly’s got to be the worst link yet - not to mention the disastrous PR that would befall a club of our stature hiring him.
The Jolly one I had seen on Twitter and should have read more about him before posting his name on here.
I hope these links are mere bookies speculation, as opposed to the board publicly leaking potential candidates.

Most of these links are coming from the Bookies, rumoured on Twitter or Facebook and posted on here.
I doubt anyone on here knows who's going to get the post.
The Jolly post was me as I had read it on Twitter and should have read more about him before posting his name on here

[Hibbyradge]

I'd like a young coach but with a reputation as a player, someone who would be respected immediately.

By all accounts, Cathro was a decent coach, but he had little presence and no reputation.

The fact that he was terrible in front of the media just exacerbated his difficulties.

Failing that, a coach who had worked with a bigger club under a well respected and relatively successful manager(s).

Failing that, Robbie Neilson. Obviously.

[Hibee Mac]

I don't understand why so many people are ruling out everyone we are linked with. How many people would have been inspired by Stubbs first time round?

I agree that we need to get back to the club philosophy we had with Stubbs and focus on young hungry players, I couldn't give a toss about how many washed up internationalists we have in our squad.

I think that had Lennon taken over with the same squad he's left us with then he would have failed miserably, he did so well because of all the hard work the club and Stubbs had done recruiting an excellent team and he took them to the next level.

Our approach with Lennon was unsustainable and now we're paying the price, we need to get back to basics and instil the philosophy Leeann brought in for the long term.

[ScottB]

The club went through a process that identified Stubbs to be the right man for the job at that point, and he was successful.

I'm unsure whether we actually followed much of a process last time, Lennon threw his hat into the ring didn't he? But then I'm sure we did our interviews and whatever and decided he was the right man for the job at that point, and he was.

So with that in mind, I'm quite confident that the club will be following the process that led to picking the right guy, and will do that, until / unless someone unexpected puts themselves forward and turns out to be a better choice.


Maybe that will turn out to be someone we know, Stubbs, Doolan etc. But they shouldn't get a free ticket back in by default. If they come through said process as the stand out candidate, fair enough, but let's not just get all nostalgic and appoint someone who'll make us temporarily smile before reality reasserts itself.

Personally, I'm all about moving forward, Stubbs has been and gone, thanks for the memories, let's find the next guy who'll go from being somebody who currently means nothing to us into, hopefully, a new hero.

[The 90+2]

I'd like a young coach but with a reputation as a player, someone who would be respected immediately.

By all accounts, Cathro was a decent coach, but he had little presence and no reputation.

The fact that he was terrible in front of the media just exacerbated his difficulties.

Failing that, a coach who had worked with a bigger club under a well respected and relatively successful manager(s).

Failing that, Robbie Neilson. Obviously.

Steve Parkin?

[sambajustice]

Should see what Duncan Ferguson is up to.

Would make Neil Lennon look like Mary Poppins. Bet Levein wouldnt have much to say either! :greengrin

[Hibeesmad]

Alan Nixon on twitter saying Hibs have met a few people in England today

[Smartie]

What do folk have against people who have failed elsewhere?

If they've learned from their mistakes then there are a few mistakes less that they're going to make at Hibs.

[greenflyer]

Any good Scandinavian managers looking for a job in a warmer climate?

:snowman

[Hibeesmad]

Nixon saying Hecklebottom will be one of the people being met

[madhatter]

What do folk have against people who have failed elsewhere?

If they've learned from their mistakes then there are a few mistakes less that they're going to make at Hibs.

I think the important thing is actually the team they bring with them. I think Lennon should've had more than Parker. I don't care too much about how they've done previously, I want a good coaching team who all want to have the team playing the same style of football. So the assistant, and a first team coach, is critical.

Hibs need to get back to improving players and building teams and having a style of play.

The win at all costs stuff has led us down a path that's now got me thinking "I don't know what Hibs are about anymore". We've also been a win at all costs type of team that struggles to win so big changes needed to that mentality.

We need someone to heal the relationship between fans and club, again...

[SteveHFC]

Nixon saying Hecklebottom will be one of the people being met

Heckiwbottom as manager with Doolan as his assistant would be good.

[worcesterhibby]

Is there no chance of bringing Stubbs back with Doolan and Taff ?

[04Sauzee]

Leeds Utd fans really don't like Heckingbottom

[The 90+2]

Leeds Utd fans really don't like Heckingbottom

That’s fine, I don’t really like Leeds fans 😃

[04Sauzee]

That’s fine, I don’t really like Leeds fans 😃

Neither do i, especially since I'm more Sheffield Wednesday 😅

[eastmainsmsh]

Has Stubbs been offered the job till end of season?

[The 90+2]

Neither do i, especially since I'm more Sheffield Wednesday 😅

😃

[MacGruber]

No reason logic or substance to my feeling Heckingbottom would be awful - just a gut feeling. Really don't want him to get it. Of course he could come in and be brilliant, then I'd love him and want him to stay and never leave. A pointless post really 😅

[K-Zazu]

Heckingbottom reminds me of Colin Calderwood type of appointment

[WellingtonHibby]

Heckingbottom reminds me of Colin Calderwood type of appointment

How? Specifically? please expand on that. I can see absolutely Zero similarities.

[Broken Gnome]

Jim Magilton the main new name in the morning papers. Paul Hurst as well.

[Juniper Greens]

To pick a name from left field. I wonder if someone like Darren Fletcher might be keen? Achieved it all in the game, clearly a leader and is very grateful to Hibs for helping his career kick off when a teenager.

[Speedway]

Well Heckingbottom's 9/4 fav with Skybet then 3/1 Strachan and 7/2 Stubbs. Doolan is 5/1. Pretty open betting for this job.

In other words they don’t have any more of a scooby than we do.

[Heisenberg]

Jim Magilton the main new name in the morning papers. Paul Hurst as well.

See it’s Scott Burns reporting it and he’s very reliable. Magilton was a manager quite a number of years ago and it doesn’t look like he had much success.

He’s apparently been working with the IFA for years in developing young players, which seems to be a key attribute needed for the Hibs role going by some of the other names linked.

[bingo70]

Jim Magilton the main new name in the morning papers. Paul Hurst as well.

I’ll look for the positives in anyone we go for however with the names being linked it is a bit like a who’s who of mediocre managers from English football. (I know Magilton is Irish but you’d mainly associate him with English football)

They might end up being alright but as it stands I’d be hard pushed to come up with a more boring sounding list of candidates.

[Callum_62]

To pick a name from left field. I wonder if someone like Darren Fletcher might be keen? Achieved it all in the game, clearly a leader and is very grateful to Hibs for helping his career kick off when a teenager.

In what way did Hibs help darrens career kick off?

I played with darren from under 10s at Tynie through to Celtic BC, and then a brief spell at Hibs

When Celtic BC didnt put a team in the initiative league- alot of us, including our manager hugh went to Hibs (hibs had just been relegated)

It was an absolute shambolic set up

Darren had “agreed” in advance to sign for Man U well before his age allowed him too

As far as i remember Hibs done nothing to help him achieve this


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[Juniper Greens]

In what way did Hibs help darrens career kick off?

I played with darren from under 10s at Tynie through to Celtic BC, and then a brief spell at Hibs

When Celtic BC didnt put a team in the initiative league- alot of us, including our manager hugh went to Hibs (hibs had just been relegated)

It was an absolute shambolic set up

Darren had “agreed” in advance to sign for Man U well before his age allowed him too

As far as i remember Hibs done nothing to help him achieve this


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Strange tone to pick?

They gave him training facilities when no one else would. He has always said how grateful he was and notes how McLeish tried to convince him to pick Hibs over Man U at the 11th hour.

[LancsHibs]

See it’s Scott Burns reporting it and he’s very reliable. Magilton was a manager quite a number of years ago and it doesn’t look like he had much success.

He’s apparently been working with the IFA for years in developing young players, which seems to be a key attribute needed for the Hibs role going by some of the other names linked.

Also been managing the NI under 21s, it would appear concurrently as working with the IFA . Don’t know how that worked??

[Callum_62]

Get Magilton in:

“Magilton reportedly head butted the midfielder in a heated exchange”

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[LancsHibs]

Get Magilton in:

“Magilton reportedly head butted the midfielder in a heated exchange”

[emoji848]


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Maybe that’s where Lennon went wrong😆

[Hiber-nation]

Get Magilton in:

“Magilton reportedly head butted the midfielder in a heated exchange”

[emoji848]


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If what I've heard is true he would be an absolute disaster.

[DetroitHibs]

One stipulation I'd implement from any of the managers down south, would be they HAVE to move up here.

[scooby]

Strange tone to pick?

They gave him training facilities when no one else would. He has always said how grateful he was and notes how McLeish tried to convince him to pick Hibs over Man U at the 11th hour.

I'd heard that Dempster approached Fletcher and Mixu after the Tynecastle derby, and Lennon found out about it. This gave him some ammunition following his suspension.
Not sure if they've been approached again.

[Callum_62]

Has Darren even done his coaching badges?

A mixu and fletcher combo hardly gets the heart fluttering [emoji15]


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[Callum_62]

Strange tone to pick?

They gave him training facilities when no one else would. He has always said how grateful he was and notes how McLeish tried to convince him to pick Hibs over Man U at the 11th hour.

No tone here - apologies if the post came over in that way

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[calumhibee1]

Mixu shouldn’t be anywhere near the managers job. Thankfully he won’t be.

[Iain G]

Has Darren even done his coaching badges?

A mixu and fletcher combo hardly gets the heart fluttering [emoji15]


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Think it was Mixu and Steven Fletcher to bolster our attacking options 😁

[scooby]

Has Darren even done his coaching badges?

A mixu and fletcher combo hardly gets the heart fluttering [emoji15]


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Agreed, not sure if there's any truth in it.

[SquashedFrogg]

If what I've heard is true he would be an absolute disaster.

Ok, I'll ask. What have you heard?

[Joe6-2]

I'd heard that Dempster approached Fletcher and Mixu after the Tynecastle derby, and Lennon found out about it. This gave him some ammunition following his suspension.
Not sure if they've been approached again.

My understanding too, didn't know who was approached tho. I'm led to believe Petrie was behind it tho

[Speedway]

Magilton was a Lidl version of Lennon and as a manager has achieved precisely nothing.

Is there no-one exciting available?

[Greenworld]

My understanding too, didn't know who was approached tho. I'm led to believe Petrie was behind it thoIt's just one of the stories but as we all know Hibs play by the book so I reckon you can discount that story

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[Speedway]

STILL Steve Clarke or Alex Neil for me...

Unless Neil Harris or Giovanni Von Bronkhorst fancy it

[LancsHibs]

Darren Fletcher? That’s a bit left field!
Is he even qualified as a coach?
Isn’t he still playing for Stoke? Would it be in a player/manager role?
If he is being considered it would have to be with a more experienced head!

[CapitalGreen]

Magilton was closely linked in the past. If he wasn’t good enough then, I’m not aware of anything he’s done since to merit consideration again now.

[Greenworld]

Leeds Utd fans really don't like HeckingbottomThat's good reason to appoint him [emoji38]

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[Speedway]

I should also point out that I am someone who wrote a letter (remember those) of disgust to the club on appointing a no mark manager like Alex McLeish when I felt Tommy Burns should’ve got the job, so clearly I know everything.

[DetroitHibs]

It's just one of the stories but as we all know Hibs play by the book so I reckon you can discount that story

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Just like they backdoored John Collins?

[04Sauzee]

Darren Fletcher? That’s a bit left field!
Is he even qualified as a coach?
Isn’t he still playing for Stoke? Would it be in a player/manager role?
If he is being considered it would have to be with a more experienced head!
If he's under contract as a player at Stoke I'd assume we couldn't register him as a player until the summer?

[Hiber-nation]

Ok, I'll ask. What have you heard?

Nothing specific, a lot of talk about him being a complete nutter, weird behaviour, a total loose cannon. I'd have thought it was pretty much common knowledge a few years ago.

[Greenio]

I think the thing with managers is that the right appointment is far less obvious to the public than it is with players.

Stats on past performance is only one factor.

Ambition, vision, strategy, outlook etc...those are what you look at, and none of them can be tested, analysed and scrutinised in the way the need to be outside of the closed doors of an interview process.

If you have faith in the interviewers, we'll get the right appointment.

I do

[Silky]

Just like they backdoored John Collins?

Really? One at a time or multiple???

[Unseen work]

People need to stop mentioning Steve Clarke. It won’t happen.

Agree with the post a couple above this is that in terms of appointing a new manager at our level it’s not all about statistics.

Every manager in Scotland has failed somewhere at some time and that’s why they’re here.

Neil Lennon was poor at Bolton for example.

The right man will be who the board deem to be ambitious, knowledge, want to promote youth and able to work in a tight budget. But probably most importantly his character and how he comes across as we need a big lift and for players to start believing in themselves again.

Its a massive decision so I don’t mind us being linked with everyone, the board should take all names into consideration and go through them logically. Not just think “well he had a poor season at Wycombe in 2014”

Also disagree that there are no exciting names being mentioned.

From what I have read about Heckingbottom he seems the ideal candidate.

[DetroitHibs]

Really? One at a time or multiple???

You know the score mate, stop trying to deflect from the facts. The players and Petrie went behind John's back and got him the boot. But wait, there was a non disclosure clause put in by the club, must mean everything was above board and nothing untoward happened.

[Speedway]

I’ll tell the story again of how one current EPL manager got the gig.

Shortlist of 3.

2 ‘established’ name managers

1 young manager with little in the way of track record

1st name manager turns up pissed

2nd name manager shows up with some scribble on crumpled bits of paper

Young manager turns up with PowerPoint with his vision for the future of the club.

Young manager gets the job and leads them to promotion and Europe.

[hibbie02]

Also been managing the NI under 21s, it would appear concurrently as working with the IFA . Don’t know how that worked??

Magilton appears to tick all the boxes we seem to like these days:

Northern Irish
Managed in Ireland
Managed Melbourne Victory
No record of success as a Manager anywhere
Allegedly Nutted one of his Players at QPR

Sounds ideal!!! :greengrin

[Caversham Green]

You know the score mate, stop trying to deflect from the facts. The players and Petrie went behind John's back and got him the boot. But wait, there was a non disclosure clause put in by the club, must mean everything was above board and nothing untoward happened.

John Collins resigned nine months after Petrie met with the players, most of whom had left the club before Collins. Petrie's mistake was backing a failing coach ahead of taking notice of the players' concerns.

[CapitalGreen]

You know the score mate, stop trying to deflect from the facts. The players and Petrie went behind John's back and got him the boot. But wait, there was a non disclosure clause put in by the club, must mean everything was above board and nothing untoward happened.

Collins didn't get the boot, he resigned. 9 months after the meeting between Petrie and the Players. 8 first team players allegedly involved in that meeting left the club during the summer.

[CockneyRebel]

Has Darren even done his coaching badges?

A mixu and fletcher combo hardly gets the heart fluttering [emoji15]


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Have to agree with this becaus I can't see an approach from Hibs to this pair - Fletcher (no badges and still playing I believe) and Mixu already failed here and done nowt of note since. I don't like posting negative stuff without giving an alternative but after I championed Butcher's (aaaaarrghhhh) appointment I feel I am left with little credibility.

[The_Horde]

Magilton appears to tick all the boxes we seem to like these days:

Northern Irish
Managed in Ireland
Managed Melbourne Victory
No record of success as a Manager anywhere
Allegedly Nutted one of his Players at QPR

Sounds ideal!!! :greengrin

Also signed Mark Milligan.

[DetroitHibs]

Collins didn't get the boot, he resigned. 9 months after the meeting between Petrie and the Players. 8 first team players allegedly involved in that meeting left the club during the summer.

It's still very underhanded and shady for a chairman to go behind the managers back like that. I'm not a fan of Collins or think he's a good manager, but he deserved more respect than that.

[The 90+2]

John Collins resigned nine months after Petrie met with the players, most of whom had left the club before Collins. Petrie's mistake was backing a failing coach ahead of taking notice of the players' concerns.

As well as sanctioning the guff signed like Alan O'Brien.

[CapitalGreen]

It's still very underhanded and shady for a chairman to go behind the managers back like that. I'm not a fan of Collins or think he's a good manager, but he deserved more respect than that.

The players went behind the managers back not Petrie.

[Greenbeard]

Just like they backdoored John Collins?
Strangely, I had a very strong dream last night that JC and Scott Brown were spied coming out of a back door together at Easter Road prompting immediate speculation that they were going to be the next to take charge as manager and assistant. What odds? Ha ha.

[DetroitHibs]

The players went behind the managers back not Petrie.

And a good chairman that was behind his manager wouldn't have even entertained that charade.

[Hibbyradge]

I'd heard that Dempster approached Fletcher and Mixu after the Tynecastle derby, and Lennon found out about it. This gave him some ammunition following his suspension.
Not sure if they've been approached again.

Really?

I wonder why all NLs friends in the press haven't said anything about this.

[CapitalGreen]

And a good chairman that was behind his manager wouldn't have even entertained that charade.

If I had an issue with my manager which I took to his boss, I'd expect it to be taken seriously. You can still back a manager while listening to players concerns.

[Hibbyradge]

My understanding too, didn't know who was approached tho. I'm led to believe Petrie was behind it tho

"I'm led to believe".

What does that even mean?

It reads to me as "I'm stirring things against Rid Petrie".

Led to believe by whom? How on earth would someone know that?

[The 90+2]

Really?

I wonder why all NLs friends in the press haven't said anything about this.

It would be a massive story for many reasons. Unless it's bull****.

[Hibbyradge]

You know the score mate, stop trying to deflect from the facts. The players and Petrie went behind John's back and got him the boot. But wait, there was a non disclosure clause put in by the club, must mean everything was above board and nothing untoward happened.

The players went to Petrie to complain about the manager.

Did you expect the Chairman and co-owner to do nothing when he'd been approached for help?

In any case, Collins resigned.

[Peevemor]

It's still very underhanded and shady for a chairman to go behind the managers back like that. I'm not a fan of Collins or think he's a good manager, but he deserved more respect than that.

The players asked to meet Petrie because of a perceived grievance with their immediate superior. Given that Petrie was, in turn, JC's superior he couldn't refuse the meeting.

Petrie backed Collins and, as has been said, many of the players involved subsequently moved on. Unfortunately JC then wasted good money on the biggest pile of keech imaginable to replace them.

The squad he left behind was a nightmare for our subsequent managers. They had to either work with the crap they had inherited or try to bin players (on decent contracts) that nobody wanted, this restricted the budget available to bring in new players.

I hold John Collins responsible for our subsequeent decline.

[hibs#1]

I’ll tell the story again of how one current EPL manager got the gig.

Shortlist of 3.

2 ‘established’ name managers

1 young manager with little in the way of track record

1st name manager turns up pissed

2nd name manager shows up with some scribble on crumpled bits of paper

Young manager turns up with PowerPoint with his vision for the future of the club.

Young manager gets the job and leads them to promotion and Europe.


Dyche?

[The 90+2]

The players went to Petrie to complain about the manager.

Did you expect the Chairman and co-owner to do nothing when he'd been approached for help?

In any case, Collins resigned.

:agree: and that was after being given the go ahead to empty the majority that went to Petrie by erm, Petrie.

[Hibbyradge]

It would be a massive story for many reasons. Unless it's bull****.

Ergo...

[Hibbyradge]

Dyche?

Careful.

Lennon got suspended for that! :duck:

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Apparantly benni mcarthys being mentioned on twitter...somebody had messaged him and he says he would be interested as he enjoyed his time here before.......no links though as im not twitter

[SquashedFrogg]

Really? One at a time or multiple???

Lol

[Dalianwanda]

The players went to Petrie to complain about the manager.

Did you expect the Chairman and co-owner to do nothing when he'd been approached for help?

In any case, Collins resigned.

I know how gutted Petrie was re Collins leaving and how he tried to change his mind. Team was on the slide, JC didn’t fancy the challenge.

[SquashedFrogg]

And a good chairman that was behind his manager wouldn't have even entertained that charade.

No, anyone in charge would have to listen to concerns of the players. Seems pretty sensible management to me.

Petrie discussed the meeting with JC next day so there was no 'cloak and dagger' crap as reported in the weegie press. Petrie got on, and still does, very well with Collins.

I have to admit though, your sheer determination to bend everything to fit your anti-board agenda is astonishing.

I'm not saying they are immune from criticism, of course they should be questioned. But when questioning turns into a consistent stream of made up garbage, it starts to get boring.

[CapitalGreen]

No, anyone in charge would have to listen to concerns of the players. Seems pretty sensible management to me.

Petrie discussed the meeting with JC next day so there was no 'cloak and dagger' crap as reported in the weegie press. Petrie got on, and still does, very well with Collins.

I have to admit though, your sheer determination to bend everything to fit your anti-board agenda is astonishing.

I'm not saying they are immune from criticism, of course they should be questioned. But when questioning turns into a consistent stream of made up garbage, it starts to get boring.

Exactly, John Collins was in the Director's lounge with Petrie at the game on Saturday.

[The 90+2]

Ergo...

Fairy tales.

[Sioux]

John Collins resigned nine months after Petrie met with the players, most of whom had left the club before Collins. Petrie's mistake was backing a failing coach ahead of taking notice of the players' concerns.

Don't let facts get in the way of Detroit's obsessive crusade that Petrie is the devil.

[DarlingtonHibee]

It would be a massive story for many reasons. Unless it's bull****.

What planet are you on?

When hibs have got something to say they will.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Just seen Pat Fenlon coming out of Greggs in Easter Road...

[The_Horde]

Exactly, John Collins was in the Director's lounge with Petrie at the game on Saturday.

Often is. Can sometimes be found in La Favorita before the games too.

[The 90+2]

What planet are you on?

When hibs have got something to say they will.

What are you actually on about? :confused:

[CapitalGreen]

Often is. Can sometimes be found in La Favorita before the games too.

Welcome back

[DarlingtonHibee]

What are you actually on about? :confused:

Yes I know you are very confused.

Do you understand the recruitment process for this type of job?

There more to it than saying do you want the job?

[CraigHibee]

Jim magilton being considered apparently https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/jim-magilton-under-consideration-for-hibs-head-coach-role-1-4867832

[BullsCloseHibs]

Magilton was closely linked in the past. If he wasn’t good enough then, I’m not aware of anything he’s done since to merit consideration again now.


He had a truly awful record at Melbourne.

What's the fascination with Ozzie managers anyway? Please, NO !

[MacGruber]

Can't be Jim Magilton surely. Some of the other names truly uninspiring aswell. Lets hope Hibs have other ideas and these are people throwing their own hat in the ring

[CraigHibee]

Jim magilton being considered apparently https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/jim-magilton-under-consideration-for-hibs-head-coach-role-1-4867832


I like this bit though

"Hibs are not making any comment"

Wonder if its (hopefully) a case of them just pulling names out of thin air

[Gordy M]

What is clear is that no-one on here knows who the next manager will be......but it is funny reading people getting their knickers in a twist about random names getting touted:greengrin

[The 90+2]

Yes I know you are very confused.

Do you understand the recruitment process for this type of job?

There more to it than saying do you want the job?

Again, what the actual fk are you on about? :confused:

Where did I mention the recruitment process?

You're right though, I'm very confused about what you are slavering over.:agree:

[The 90+2]

What is clear is that no-one on here knows who the next manager will be......but it is funny reading people getting their knickers in a twist about random names getting touted:greengrin

Would be funny if they are just name bombing some media for ****s and giggles and the reaction to the names. :greengrin

[DarlingtonHibee]

Again, what the actual fk are you on about? :confused:

Where did I mention the recruitment process?

You're right though, I'm very confused about what you are slavering over.:agree:

Very good, keep spouting rubbish.

[The 90+2]

Very good, keep spouting rubbish.

Rubbish about what?

You replied to my post my opinion of posters making up stories of Hibs senior management team going behind Lennons back to find a successor back in May with not a word leaked to the media when Lennon apparently found out and was raging with cryptic stuff that made little sense.

Do you believe the opposite like? That we did approach others to replace Lennon? If so and Lennon found out was it; a, kept from the press full of Lennon's mates and b, used by Lennon to leave the club months ago to a full pay off?

In my opinion there is no possible way we approached guys last season after finishing 4th for Lennon to find out and it all be kept quiet. The media would have been all over it when he got suspended but as it happens none of the media had a clue why the suspension was and all alluded to a fall out with the players and nothing to do with him getting replaced.

[H18S NX]

Careful.

Lennon got suspended for that! :duck:......Very clever..:top marks:aok:

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

Can't be Jim Magilton surely. Some of the other names truly uninspiring aswell. Lets hope Hibs have other ideas and these are people throwing their own hat in the ringApparently also suspended for misconduct. Said a headbutt but couldn't be verified.

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[Greenworld]

Just like they backdoored John Collins?As much as I dislike Rod being in control ( not as a person) I think your not giving him due credit if you think players can control what he does.
He is renowned for being a very hard negotiator and has Hibs at heart in everything he does.
Managers are moved on because of there actions being inappropriate or as in most cases bad results and they loose the dressing room.


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[DarlingtonHibee]

Rubbish about what?

You replied to my post my opinion of posters making up stories of Hibs senior management team going behind Lennons back to find a successor back in May with not a word leaked to the media when Lennon apparently found out and was raging with cryptic stuff that made little sense.

Do you believe the opposite like? That we did approach others to replace Lennon? If so and Lennon found out was it; a, kept from the press full of Lennon's mates and b, used by Lennon to leave the club months ago to a full pay off?

In my opinion there is no possible way we approached guys last season after finishing 4th for Lennon to find out and it all be kept quiet. The media would have been all over it when he got suspended but as it happens none of the media had a clue why the suspension was and all alluded to a fall out with the players and nothing to do with him getting replaced.

Look mate.

You change views every hour.

Let's leave it as that, I've got things to do now.

[Greenworld]

Rubbish about what?

You replied to my post my opinion of posters making up stories of Hibs senior management team going behind Lennons back to find a successor back in May with not a word leaked to the media when Lennon apparently found out and was raging with cryptic stuff that made little sense.

Do you believe the opposite like? That we did approach others to replace Lennon? If so and Lennon found out was it; a, kept from the press full of Lennon's mates and b, used by Lennon to leave the club months ago to a full pay off?

In my opinion there is no possible way we approached guys last season after finishing 4th for Lennon to find out and it all be kept quiet. The media would have been all over it when he got suspended but as it happens none of the media had a clue why the suspension was and all alluded to a fall out with the players and nothing to do with him getting replaced.100% agree

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[The 90+2]

Look mate.

You change views every hour.

Let's leave it as that, I've got things to do now.


:faf::faf::faf::faf:

Go an show me just one we tiny example of changing my views. You won't though, because I've not & you're now made to look a little silly jumping the gun and getting the wrong end of the stick.

[CapitalGreen]

Look mate.

You change views every hour.

Let's leave it as that, I've got things to do now.

I think you have misunderstood that 90+2 was saying, perhaps go back and re-read the thread.

[scoopyboy]

Apparently also suspended for misconduct. Said a headbutt but couldn't be verified.

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It was a headbutt ok.

Paul Hanlon, Paul Watson and Ryan Flynn when at Huthie Vale were down at Ipswich Town having a look before they signed (for other clubs in the case of Hanlon and Flynn).

Absolute nightmare of a man.

[Hiber-nation]

Yes I know you are very confused.

Do you understand the recruitment process for this type of job?

There more to it than saying do you want the job?

Patronising stuff like this is getting all too common on here sadly.

[The_Horde]

Welcome back

Ty GGTTH

[stokesmessiah]

Patronising stuff like this is getting all too common on here sadly.


Yip, and it is really boring to read.

[Famous Fiver]

According to press reports the list of applications has now reached the 100 mark.

I think they should all be listed on here so that our more knowledgeable posters can vet them and advise our recruitment team on who the new incumbent should be.

Then again the vast majority on here were in favour of Butcher............

[Hector Mudflap]

Patronising stuff like this is getting all too common on here sadly.

This is sadly very true.

From back in the day on ERIN and BBC606 the boards used to be full of great natured banter.
There's a lot of nasty comments and downright insults from some very conceited people . We are all supposed to be fans wanting the same thing.
I don't understand the need for put downs or bickering. You would not speak to friends like that so why is it acceptable here?
If you were to read some of this on your childs FB page you'd be down at the school gates trying to find the parent.

Disagreements and debate are healthy but calling people names or answering with obvious sneering comments just dilutes any valid point raised.



Good manners cost nothing and are a mark of the person.

On a side note, My avatar is Jim Macarthur who lived in the next street in Kirkcaldy when he played for Hibs and I used to deliver rolls to him.
(he never tipped)

or cut his grass

Just saying..

[Tobias Funke]

Ty GGTTH

Please fax this idiot back to Kaunas. :lolyam:

[The_Horde]

Please fax this idiot back to Kaunas. :lolyam:

Reported.

[Lago]

This is sadly very true.

From back in the day on ERIN and BBC606 the boards used to be full of great natured banter.
There's a lot of nasty comments and downright insults from some very conceited people . We are all supposed to be fans wanting the same thing.
I don't understand the need for put downs or bickering. You would not speak to friends like that so why is it acceptable here?
If you were to read some of this on your childs FB page you'd be down at the school gates trying to find the parent.

Disagreements and debate are healthy but calling people names or answering with obvious sneering comments just dilutes any valid point raised.



Good manners cost nothing and are a mark of the person.

On a side note, My avatar is Jim Macarthur who lived in the next street in Kirkcaldy when he played for Hibs and I used to deliver rolls to him.
(he never tipped)

or cut his grass

Just saying..
Your spot on, but like me I would imagine a bit ''old school'
On a side note Des Brenner lived round the corner from me when he played for Hibs, Jim MacArthur lived up the road a few years ago, but think he's moved Dunfermline way now.

[we are hibs]

Look mate.

You change views every hour.

Let's leave it as that, I've got things to do now.

Things like telling all us thickos we have no idea how a football club runs but you blatantly do. Boring

[Greenworld]

Latest odds not much change https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190205/576020ba607d01ad4e4e31b910bb4843.jpg

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[Heisenberg]

Looks like Heckingbottom is the front runner...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3839612/paul-heckingbottom-hibs-talks/

[The 90+2]

Looks like Heckingbottom is the front runner...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3839612/paul-heckingbottom-hibs-talks/

I wouldn't be upset with this based on the job he done at Barnsley and the youngsters he tried to get in at Leeds.

[Keith_M]

I wouldn't be upset with this based on the job he done at Barnsley and the youngsters he tried to get in at Leeds.


But do we have a song for him yet?

Based on his name, I can imagine opposition fans will come up with some really juicy ones...

[CapitalGreen]

Looks like Heckingbottom is the front runner...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3839612/paul-heckingbottom-hibs-talks/

Meh

[Hiber-nation]

Meh

No-one knows how he or any other manager will do. But I agree....

[SHODAN]

Meh

Meh as ****

[scooby]

It would be a massive story for many reasons. Unless it's bull****.



More thank likely bull**** but just sharing what I heard.

[Hibbyradge]

Heckingbottom's stats as Leeds manager:

P 16 W 4 D 4 L 8

That's a 25% win ratio.

His previous stint at Barnsley netted him 27.7%.

He must have something if he's favourite.

[cleanyman]

I think PH will be a very decent appointment

Looking forward to it

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I got Heckingbottom at 9/2 on Sunday so for that reason, and the fact I think he sounds like a good fit, I’d be pleased to see him appointed

[04Sauzee]

I wouldn't be upset with this based on the job he done at Barnsley and the youngsters he tried to get in at Leeds.

I know Barnsley sold a good couple of players for a few quid.

So we know which ones he developed and which young guys he tried to get in at Leeds?

The report also says he's already looking at potential backroom staff zl and looking for someone with local knowledge, wonder who that would be? I'd prefer it that is was someone he knows and trusts

[CapitalGreen]

I know Barnsley sold a good couple of players for a few quid.

So we know which ones he developed and which young guys he tried to get in at Leeds?

The report also says he's already looking at potential backroom staff zl and looking for someone with local knowledge, wonder who that would be? I'd prefer it that is was someone he knows and trusts

The only player of note he sold was Alfie Mawson, 4 months after becoming manager.

[MacGruber]

Hope this is jumping the gun. Couldn't be more uninspired. Bringing someone in with knowledge of the scottish game - that never goes well. Jimmy Nicoll, Billy Brown-esque. Much rather they come up with someone they know and trust and worked with than putting 2 people together at random. We've done that before and it hasn't went well. Smacks of Colin Calderwood type apppointment

[Callum_62]

Heckingbottom's stats as Leeds manager:

P 16 W 4 D 4 L 8

That's a 25% win ratio.

His previous stint at Barnsley netted him 27.7%.

He must have something if he's favourite.

Arnt Barnsley absolutely dwarfed in terms of resources? He had them 9th

He was also awarded the “Sports hero of the year” by the Yorkshire post

For that reason alone he deserves the job


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[flash]

Hope this is jumping the gun. Couldn't be more uninspired. Bringing someone in with knowledge of the scottish game - that never goes well. Jimmy Nicoll, Billy Brown-esque. Much rather they come up with someone they know and trust and worked with than putting 2 people together at random. We've done that before and it hasn't went well. Smacks of Colin Calderwood type apppointment

And a Stubbs or Mowbray appointment too.

[The 90+2]

I know Barnsley sold a good couple of players for a few quid.

So we know which ones he developed and which young guys he tried to get in at Leeds?

The report also says he's already looking at potential backroom staff zl and looking for someone with local knowledge, wonder who that would be? I'd prefer it that is was someone he knows and trusts

I'm sure he wasn't scared to give a good few youngsters their chance including that young goalie.

Barnsley I thought he actually done better but he won a trophy (2 including playoffs) and had them staying up before leaving. Didn't he sign Mallan too?

[Stevie Reid]

Heckingbottom's stats as Leeds manager:

P 16 W 4 D 4 L 8

That's a 25% win ratio.

His previous stint at Barnsley netted him 27.7%.

He must have something if he's favourite.

His win ratio at Barnsley wasn't that bad - 36%

https://www.soccerbase.com/managers/manager.sd?manager_id=3412

[Gordy M]

Do you guys never learn? Why not see how it goes before ripping into the new guy(if it is him). LD has got the last 2 appointments spot on...but some on here would rather look at wiki and now become experts!? When Stubbs was appointed there was a raft of the ever classic 'meh' or 'uninspired' and that worked out quite well. No manager has an unblemished record so why not wait and see how it goes.

[Waxy]

I think PH will be a very decent appointment

Looking forward to it

You still here?

[CapitalGreen]

While Barnsley manager Heckingbottom went on 3 separate runs in the league of

1 win in 16 games
1 win in 13 games
1 win in 11 games

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Hibs have previously explained the philosophy and structure in place at the club, I've no reason to doubt we'll deviate from that now.

If it's PH, then I look forward to welcoming him to the club

[BegbieHSC]

Heckingbottom
HeadingBottom

**** off with that !

[The 90+2]

While Barnsley manager Heckingbottom went on 3 separate runs in the league of

1 win in 14 games
1 win in 13 games
1 win in 11 games


Barnsley in the Championship are always going to struggle though. He got them there and was comfortably keeping them there. Something both Stubbs and Lennon failed at.

He obviously didn't have the best time at Leeds but who actually does? If he's learned from that then why not?

[Hibbyradge]

His win ratio at Barnsley wasn't that bad - 36%

https://www.soccerbase.com/managers/manager.sd?manager_id=3412

For some reason, his Wikipedia page breaks that down to 2 separate stints.

When he first arrived he was over 63% but in the second, albeit continuous, spell he slipped down to 27.7%.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Heckingbottom

[The 90+2]

Here's the thoughts of Barnsley fans before he left them:



He's a terrifically gifted coach who's played a huge part in the careers of many players who have gone on to be Premier League/top end of Championship from lower league obscurity. Let's not forget many of these players left us because the club (not just Hecky) cocked up on the contracts (lesson learned you'd think).
He won us our only cup in over 100 years.
He guided us from lower half League 1 to a successful play-off final.
Last year he guided us to a Championship finish higher than our entire previous stint here in his first season up.
He's had to cope with a high turnover of board staff, disrupting stability and the club's vision.
He's had to cope with his talented and trusted assistant being sacked for something Hecky had no part in.
He's had to cope with constant takeover speculation and negotiation, with no guarantee of what the end result was going to be.
He basically had to double as the CEO for months.
He's achieved everything to date on a shoestring budget.
He's achieved everything to date with one of, if not the youngest squad in the Football League.
He's had a large part in bringing in some real quality (in my opinion) this last window, and he will see us stay up again.

[CapitalGreen]

Barnsley in the Championship are always going to struggle though. He got them there and was comfortably keeping them there. Something both Stubbs and Lennon failed at.

He obviously didn't have the best time at Leeds but who actually does? If he's learned from that then why not?

I understand that but those lengths of time without a win suggest to me he struggles to change things when results are going badly.

I'd also prefer someone who has been successful at more than one club. As you mentioned Stubbs, he is a prime example of a manager who worked well with one club but has struggled everywhere else.

[Hibbyradge]

Do you guys never learn? Why not see how it goes before ripping into the new guy(if it is him). LD has got the last 2 appointments spot on...but some on here would rather look at wiki and now become experts!? When Stubbs was appointed there was a raft of the ever classic 'meh' or 'uninspired' and that worked out quite well. No manager has an unblemished record so why not wait and see how it goes.

There's not much point in a thread about the new manager if we've just got to wait and see who comes in and what happens. :greengrin

I've posted PHs recent stats for information. If we recruit him, then we'll have good reason for doing so, and I'm sure he'll get everyone's support, bar the most curmudgeonly.

[The 90+2]

I understand that but those lengths of time without a win suggest to me he struggles to change things when results are going badly.

I'd also prefer someone who has been successful at more than one club. As you mentioned Stubbs, he is a prime example of a manager who worked well with one club but has struggled everywhere else.


True. I still have a feeling he will/would be a good appointment. Perhaps with Mixu as assistant?

[Hibbyradge]

Here's the thoughts of Barnsley fans before he left them:



He's a terrifically gifted coach who's played a huge part in the careers of many players who have gone on to be Premier League/top end of Championship from lower league obscurity. Let's not forget many of these players left us because the club (not just Hecky) cocked up on the contracts (lesson learned you'd think).
He won us our only cup in over 100 years.
He guided us from lower half League 1 to a successful play-off final.
Last year he guided us to a Championship finish higher than our entire previous stint here in his first season up.
He's had to cope with a high turnover of board staff, disrupting stability and the club's vision.
He's had to cope with his talented and trusted assistant being sacked for something Hecky had no part in.
He's had to cope with constant takeover speculation and negotiation, with no guarantee of what the end result was going to be.
He basically had to double as the CEO for months.
He's achieved everything to date on a shoestring budget.
He's achieved everything to date with one of, if not the youngest squad in the Football League.
He's had a large part in bringing in some real quality (in my opinion) this last window, and he will see us stay up again.


That's a much brighter outlook than those isolated stats.

[tynehibs]

[QUOTE=90+2;5698106]Here's the thoughts of Barnsley fans before he left them:



He's a terrifically gifted coach who's played a huge part in the careers of many players who have gone on to be Premier League/top end of Championship from lower league obscurity. Let's not forget many of these players left us because the club (not just Hecky) cocked up on the contracts (lesson learned you'd think).
He won us our only cup in over 100 years.
He guided us from lower half League 1 to a successful play-off final.
Last year he guided us to a Championship finish higher than our entire previous stint here in his first season up.
He's had to cope with a high turnover of board staff, disrupting stability and the club's vision.
He's had to cope with his talented and trusted assistant being sacked for something Hecky had no part in.
He's had to cope with constant takeover speculation and negotiation, with no guarantee of what the end result was going to be.
He basically had to double as the CEO for months.
He's achieved everything to date on a shoestring budget.
He's achieved everything to date with one of, if not the youngest squad in the Football League.
He's had a large part in bringing in some real quality (in my opinion) this last window, and he will see us stay up again.
[/QU.
And Hecky Hecky would fit in with the stubbsie song, I'm in

[SHODAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnR8rDcDlrY

[davhibby]

For some reason, his Wikipedia page breaks that down to 2 separate stints.

When he first arrived he was over 63% but in the second, albeit continuous, spell he slipped down to 27.7%.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Heckingbottom

Won a cup and got them promoted first season, then finished a very respectable 14th in the Championship and that was with losing two players who would have been a big part of the team in January(captain and top scorer). Last season wasn't so good but there looked to be a big turnover of players in the summer and he may well have kept them up if he'd not gone to Leeds. When you look at the facts of what he managed at Barnsley it sounds quite good

[The Green Goblin]

This is sadly very true.

From back in the day on ERIN and BBC606 the boards used to be full of great natured banter.
There's a lot of nasty comments and downright insults from some very conceited people . We are all supposed to be fans wanting the same thing.
I don't understand the need for put downs or bickering. You would not speak to friends like that so why is it acceptable here?
If you were to read some of this on your childs FB page you'd be down at the school gates trying to find the parent.

Disagreements and debate are healthy but calling people names or answering with obvious sneering comments just dilutes any valid point raised.

This is exactly how I feel about the forum at the moment. It used to be great to read all kinds of different opinions and people debating stuff. Now it’s just full of folk using any excuse to have a dig and be sarcastic at every turn, for no reason. It’s become more like Twitter: just polarised reactions and needless digs. Unfortunately. IMHO.

[Joe6-2]

"I'm led to believe".

What does that even mean?

It reads to me as "I'm stirring things against Rid Petrie".

Led to believe by whom? How on earth would someone know that?

I don't like Petrie but I wouldn't make things up, and obviously I'm led to believe by the person who told me? But I can't prove it to be true or otherwise, I just thought I'd share what I'd heard

[K-Zazu]

While Barnsley manager Heckingbottom went on 3 separate runs in the league of

1 win in 16 games
1 win in 13 games
1 win in 11 games

That’s me seen enough already

[Hibbyradge]

This is a very interesting read.

It also goes some way to explaining the poor stats.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/paul-heckingbottom-talks-leaving-barnsley/

[Kato]

And a good chairman that was behind his manager wouldn't have even entertained that charade.

A charade of which the facts and you seem to be strangers.

[Hiber-nation]

This is exactly how I feel about the forum at the moment. It used to be great to read all kinds of different opinions and people debating stuff. Now it’s just full of folk using any excuse to have a dig and be sarcastic at every turn, for no reason. It’s become more like Twitter: just polarised reactions and needless digs. Unfortunately. IMHO.

Glad it's not just me.

[The 90+2]

Top interview. Very honest guy too it seems. Thanks for sharing :aok:

Evs in the betting also which still probably means very little.

[Heisenberg]

Heckingbottom sounds decent from the bits I’ve read about his time at Barnsley. Leeds was obviously a disaster but it’s taken a world class coach to go into that club and have some effect/sort it out so I wouldn’t be too harsh on him for that.

[JXM73]

[QUOTE=90+2;5698106]Here's the thoughts of Barnsley fans before he left them:



He's a terrifically gifted coach who's played a huge part in the careers of many players who have gone on to be Premier League/top end of Championship from lower league obscurity. Let's not forget many of these players left us because the club (not just Hecky) cocked up on the contracts (lesson learned you'd think).
He won us our only cup in over 100 years.
He guided us from lower half League 1 to a successful play-off final.
Last year he guided us to a Championship finish higher than our entire previous stint here in his first season up.
He's had to cope with a high turnover of board staff, disrupting stability and the club's vision.
He's had to cope with his talented and trusted assistant being sacked for something Hecky had no part in.
He's had to cope with constant takeover speculation and negotiation, with no guarantee of what the end result was going to be.
He basically had to double as the CEO for months.
He's achieved everything to date on a shoestring budget.
He's achieved everything to date with one of, if not the youngest squad in the Football League.
He's had a large part in bringing in some real quality (in my opinion) this last window, and he will see us stay up again.
[/QU.
And Hecky Hecky would fit in with the stubbsie song, I'm in

Hecky....bottom..hecky...bottom

[CapitalGreen]

Heckingbottom sounds decent from the bits I’ve read about his time at Barnsley. Leeds was obviously a disaster but it’s taken a world class coach to go into that club and have some effect/sort it out so I wouldn’t be too harsh on him for that.

I’d argue Paul Hurst’s achievements exceed those of Heckingbottom. He’s also been a success at 4 different clubs.

[cleanyman]

You still here?

Why would I not be?

I am the voice of reason

[04Sauzee]

Messaged my friend who's a Barnsley fan, hard to believe I know a Barnsley fan I know.
Anyway his views are


"Well hello His style is high intensity pressing style (need very fit players for this!) a good manager, got us promoted from being in the relegation zone early dec to play offs and up via play offs.

He better not nick any of our players if he takes the job.

All good here, how’s things with you and the family?"

[.Sean.]

Dunno what it is about Heckingbottom but it’s all just very meh, bland and uninspiring.

He’ll also need to get on to deed poll and get that surname changed

[The 90+2]

Magilton has just went second fav'.

[Callum_62]

Magilton has just went second fav'.

Kamberi clearing his locker as we speak.... :greengrin

[bingo70]

Dunno what it is about Heckingbottom but it’s all just very meh, bland and uninspiring.

He’ll also need to get on to deed poll and get that surname changed

I think if his name was Alfonso Heckingbottominho people would be a lot more excited by him.

There’s a snobbish attitude to English coaches in England just now, it appears that is spreading up here as well.

That’s not a dig at you by the way, I’m absolutely guilty of it. I think he just sounds a very boring appointment but the job he did at Barnsley is probably more deserving of respect than he’s getting. Obviously never worked out at Leeds but he didn’t really get much of a go and never even got a transfer window.

[The 90+2]

Kamberi clearing his locker as we speak.... :greengrin


:greengrin

[Greenworld]

Magilton has just went second fav'.Heckingbottom is now money on favourite on most sites as as betting goes

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[The 90+2]

Heckingbottom is now money on favourite on most sites as as betting goes

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I think we may be getting close to something.

[K-Zazu]

8/11 now

[hibeerealist]

Kamberi clearing his locker as we speak.... :greengrin


:faf: Very good.

[H18 SFR]

Really hope it turns out to be Heckingbottom. Looking forward to us all getting behind him and the team 100%.

[Heisenberg]

Apparently Heckingbottom was not a fan of Mallan at all. Didn’t have the energy that he wanted in his midfield.

[Stuart93]

Apparently Heckingbottom was not a fan of Mallan at all. Didn’t have the energy that he wanted in his midfield.

Can see why he’d feel that way

[SteveHFC]

Happy enough with that.

[shamo9]

Apparently Heckingbottom was not a fan of Mallan at all. Didn’t have the energy that he wanted in his midfield.

He should set up an account on here, he'd fit right in :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Apparently Heckingbottom was not a fan of Mallan at all. Didn’t have the energy that he wanted in his midfield.

The one thing I like about the very little I know about him is that he wants his teams to be very fit and press the ball aggresively. Given the age of our team I hope he has the patience to wait until he can bring in his own players to do that. No point doing a John Collins and upsetting everyone.


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[The 90+2]

"I think they (club officials) are down in England speaking to people, we should have an update maybe by the end of the week, definitely for the beginning of next week,"

[Billy Whizz]

"I think they (club officials) are down in England speaking to people, we should have an update maybe by the end of the week, definitely for the beginning of next week,"

So there’s no manager in Scotland suitable?

[The 90+2]

So there’s no manager in Scotland suitable?

Maybe already spoken to them or they also live down South?

[NthCarolinaHibs]

"I think they (club officials) are down in England speaking to people, we should have an update maybe by the end of the week, definitely for the beginning of next week,"
Is it no unusual for the club to do the traveling 🤔

[Danderhall Hibs]

Anyone think if Heckingbottom is the one that’s leaked this to the BBC he might’ve done himself out of a job?

[The 90+2]

Anyone think if Heckingbottom is the one that’s leaked this to the BBC he might’ve done himself out of a job?


Scott Burns reported it this morning and the BBC look like they've picked it up through the press conf'.

[Bostonhibby]

Anyone think if Heckingbottom is the one that’s leaked this to the BBC he might’ve done himself out of a job?We live in hope.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

Scott Burns reported it this morning and the BBC look like they've picked it up through the press conf'.

Who’s Scott Burns? :dunno:

[The 90+2]

Who’s Scott Burns? :dunno:

https://twitter.com/scottburns75?lang=en

He's usually spot on all things Cabbage.

[CapitalGreen]

Maybe Hibs have leaked it to see if he would get a positive/negative reaction from fans.

[Danderhall Hibs]

https://twitter.com/scottburns75?lang=en

He's usually spot on all things Cabbage.

:aok: change BBC for Daily Express in my post.

[stuart-farquhar]

Personally I would have liked our next coach to be Jack De Fumbo.

Yours sincerely

Mr Spooner

[WhileTheChief..]

The problem with going for someone like Heckingbottom is that it won’t ever feel like he’s the Hibs manger, rather that he’s just passing through.

I know that could be said about anyone really but I always got that feeling with Calderwood and to a lesser extent Stubbs.

Whether he does good, bad or indifferent he’d be away in about two years anyways.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

If i was him id have changed my name to hecking