Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[JeMeSouviens]

Ooft! The Fraser of Allander institute discusses the bridge (that might be a euphemism for a tunnel :rolleyes:). Some highlights:


This is the idea – and this is not an April Fool – to consider a 21-mile road link between Scotland and Northern Ireland over the Irish Sea


those hoping that building a bridge (tunnel or giant catapult even) will automatically be a catalyst for faster economic growth in both Scotland and Northern Ireland will be sorely disappointed


with a 90+ mile drive to the central belt (at least a further 2 ½ hours). This won’t improve connectively to the point where any hope of clustering or agglomeration economic effects could be expected to take hold.


So in short. It won’t deliver the economic boost some claim, it isn’t a priority, it would go to the wrong location, it wouldn’t be consistent with climate change objectives, and the money could be better spent on other things.

Apart from that, it’s a cracking idea

https://fraserofallander.org/scottish-economy/whens-a-bridge-not-a-bridge-when-its-a-tunnel-apparently/

[Future17]

- those hoping that building a bridge (tunnel or giant catapult even) will automatically be a catalyst for faster economic growth in both Scotland and Northern Ireland will be sorely disappointed

- with a 90+ mile drive to the central belt (at least a further 2 ½ hours). This won’t improve connectively to the point where any hope of clustering or agglomeration economic effects could be expected to take hold.

A giant catapult would negate the driving time...do they fully explore that option?

[lapsedhibee]

Cummings appoints Grayling to head Intelligence committee. That'll get to the bottom of the pesky Russia thing all right. :agree:

[Bostonhibby]

Cummings appoints Grayling to head Intelligence committee. That'll get to the bottom of the pesky Russia thing all right. :agree:Hopefully the Russians aren't planning to sell us any non existent ferries for £23m.

Grayling is without doubt the biggest political bungler in my lifetime, and there's been a few.

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[Smartie]

Hopefully the Russians aren't planning to sell us any non existent ferries for £23m.

Grayling is without doubt the biggest political bungler in my lifetime, and there's been a few.

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Funnily enough I used to quite like Grayling - he’s fairly personable.

That was before the evidence regarding his competence came to light.

[Bostonhibby]

Funnily enough I used to quite like Grayling - he’s fairly personable.

That was before the evidence regarding his competence came to light.For incompetence on another level entirely he was talking quite confidently about HS2 being on target not long before he was punted and the truth came out.

As you say, personable, would probably have made an excellent children's entertainer, in the same way that Geoffrey from Rainbow was or maybe a game show host[emoji16]

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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

The string pullers are now worried it seems. The British public are looking for their leader to lead and he is coming up short on that basic requirement. Daily briefings now that he will lead? He only does three word sound-bite solutions and he used up all the impact of that for Brexit. Stand by for an out-break of Foot in Mouth disease.

[lapsedhibee]

The string pullers are now worried it seems. The British public are looking for their leader to lead and he is coming up short on that basic requirement. Daily briefings now that he will lead? He only does three word sound-bite solutions and he used up all the impact of that for Brexit. Stand by for an out-break of Foot in Mouth disease.

Take Back Control - lie
Get Brexit Done - lie
Follow The Science - lie

[Kato]

The string pullers are now worried it seems. The British public are looking for their leader to lead and he is coming up short on that basic requirement. Daily briefings now that he will lead? He only does three word sound-bite solutions and he used up all the impact of that for Brexit. Stand by for an out-break of Foot in Mouth disease.

They are on point when all their needs require is waving a union jack, twisting facts and manipulating people's emotions.

I watched BBC News for the first time in months and rather look for the content of what they were saying I looked for signs of honesty, empathy and competence. Total lack of anything of the sort.

My thirteen year old pointed that a time when the world needs co-operation, co-ordination and a close working relationship between nations they look fish out of water.

[HibsNI]

They are on point when all their needs require is waving a union jack, twisting facts and manipulating people's emotions.

I watched BBC News for the first time in months and rather look for the content of what they were saying I looked for signs of honesty, empathy and competence. Total lack of anything of the sort.

My thirteen year old pointed that a time when the world needs co-operation, co-ordination and a close working relationship between nations they look fish out of water.



I don’t post at all on this forum but I totally agree with the fish out of water comment. I’m hardly surprised they do when the government has neglected the NHS for years. They have been warned by numerous trusts up and down the country that hospitals were at breaking point with stafffing levels/ beds and equipment etc but yet here we are facing a global emergency and the penny has finally dropped that if things do get bad we don’t have the health service to save us. The PM’s face said it all yesterday and behind his eyes you could tell that the past decade of negligence has caught up with them.

The economic and emotional fallout of this crisis will take more lives than this virus.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Whatever it takes...we should be relieved that he has settled on the three word slogan.

[Glory Lurker]

http://https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-51927860

I struggle to persuade myself that this lady is nice.

[lapsedhibee]

Several small suppliers of ventilators have said the government has not responded to their offers to make more.

The head of Direct Access, Steven Mifsud, told the Nantwich News he had sourced 5,000 ventilators and millions of face masks and personal protective equipment through partners in the United Arab Emirates. He said he registered the supply on the “ventilator challenge” page of the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy website, but after five days he had heard nothing and the supplies went elsewhere.

He was quoted as saying the only communication he had from the Department of Health was a “thank you” and “you are in our system”.

“Time is a luxury that we as a nation do not have,” Mifsud said. “This virus does not wait for anyone and every second costs lives. I am incredibly frustrated with the British government and the current mañana attitude.” He said his partners in the UAE said they were getting responses from other countries within hours.

Andrew Raynor, of the medical parts manufacturer MEC Medical, told the BBC’s Newsnight that nothing happened when he contacted the government offering to make ventilators. “The government should have given funding to existing ventilator manufacturers and existing companies like us,” he said.

Meanwhile the government has got into bed with Dyson, who have never made ventilators, but will only buy from Dyson if the ventilators they come up with work. This is Graylingian. Is the government being simply incompetent, or is it pursuing some other policy without acknowledging it (like, say, giving money to its Brexiter chums)? Or both?

[Beefster]

Several small suppliers of ventilators have said the government has not responded to their offers to make more.

The head of Direct Access, Steven Mifsud, told the Nantwich News he had sourced 5,000 ventilators and millions of face masks and personal protective equipment through partners in the United Arab Emirates. He said he registered the supply on the “ventilator challenge” page of the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy website, but after five days he had heard nothing and the supplies went elsewhere.

He was quoted as saying the only communication he had from the Department of Health was a “thank you” and “you are in our system”.

“Time is a luxury that we as a nation do not have,” Mifsud said. “This virus does not wait for anyone and every second costs lives. I am incredibly frustrated with the British government and the current mañana attitude.” He said his partners in the UAE said they were getting responses from other countries within hours.

Andrew Raynor, of the medical parts manufacturer MEC Medical, told the BBC’s Newsnight that nothing happened when he contacted the government offering to make ventilators. “The government should have given funding to existing ventilator manufacturers and existing companies like us,” he said.

Meanwhile the government has got into bed with Dyson, who have never made ventilators, but will only buy from Dyson if the ventilators they come up with work. This is Graylingian. Is the government being simply incompetent, or is it pursuing some other policy without acknowledging it (like, say, giving money to its Brexiter chums)? Or both?

I don’t see the issue with Dyson. The UK Government has already said that it’ll buy ventilators from anyone who can supply them. If it is only paying for them if they work, isnt that a good thing? There are lots of self-interest everywhere. Companies, football clubs and more are at it. Everyone is moaning about everything.

Either way, the NHS is devolved up here. Rather than worry about what’s happening in England’s NHS, we should really be concentrating on our own.

[lapsedhibee]

I don’t see the issue with Dyson. The UK Government has already said that it’ll buy ventilators from anyone who can supply them. If it is only paying for them if they work, isnt that a good thing? There are lots of self-interest everywhere. Companies, football clubs and more are at it. Everyone is moaning about everything.

Either way, the NHS is devolved up here. Rather than worry about what’s happening in England’s NHS, we should really be concentrating on our own.

The point of the quoted passage is that the government appears not to be buying from people who already make them, instead hoping that someone who's never made them will come up with something satisfactory. This at a time when there's an acknowledged, urgent, life threatening, shortage.

Similarly, the government has decided not to take part in an EU initiative to purchase protective equipment, claiming variously that we can't because we're not in the EU, or an e-mail got lost.

[lapsedhibee]

"Helen Whately, a health minister, told the same programme that the government was hugely increasing testing, including of NHS staff.

However, she acknowledged that still only 7,000 people were tested on Sunday, despite the Cabinet Office minister, Michael Gove, and the health secretary, Matt Hancock, claiming the level is now at 10,000 tests a day. Whately said that was the new “capacity” but it had not yet been reached."

Lying being ramped up to unprecedented levels.

[Kato]

, claiming variously that we can't because we're not in the EU, or an e-mail got lost.


That's sociopathic. I knew about them refusing to be part of the EU deal, which is medically and fiscally a huge error. Making ideological decisions which will threaten people's lives then lieing about it. Just evil.


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[Kato]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1245614611606298625


https://mobile.twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/status/1245651947631177728

https://mobile.twitter.com/arusbridger/status/1245626117760798726

Partisan lies. Fuds.


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[JimBHibees]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1245614611606298625


https://mobile.twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/status/1245651947631177728

https://mobile.twitter.com/arusbridger/status/1245626117760798726

Partisan lies. Fuds.


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The Eu procurement one is an absolute shocker.

[Kato]

The Eu procurement one is an absolute shocker.Thatchers children. She was an organised, fully planned machine but her children are, well, children - spoilt little brats at that. The lies are pathetic.

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[lapsedhibee]

Nadine Dorries (https://twitter.com/2019_winston/status/1247719482157682689) :faf:

[JeMeSouviens]

Nadine Dorries (https://twitter.com/2019_winston/status/1247719482157682689) :faf:

Thicker than a whale omelette.

[Future17]

Nadine Dorries (https://twitter.com/2019_winston/status/1247719482157682689) :faf:

Words can't express how angry this makes me.

[Bostonhibby]

Brass neck on show this evening.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200411/1f696e444bffff31954ab080868ca01e.jpg

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[JeMeSouviens]

From CV thread ...


Is the hypocrisy around not taking a paycut while thinking footballers should? Is that what Piers is having a go at him for in that clip?

I don't think they're comparable.


The unspoken inference to the footballers thing is they don't deserve money because they're generally working class or (gasp) foreigners. He wasn't out asking merchant bankers, opera singers or cabinet ministers. It's typical Tory class ridden ********ry.

[danhibees1875]

From CV thread ...




The unspoken inference to the footballers thing is they don't deserve money because they're generally working class or (gasp) foreigners. He wasn't out asking merchant bankers, opera singers or cabinet ministers. It's typical Tory class ridden ********ry.

I thought he was specifically asked about footballers at the time?
But you're probably right that he wouldn't have said yes had the question been about bankers though. :agree:

I think there's a lot of reasonable arguements that footballers are overpaid without the idea that they're working class (is that even true anymore?) and foreigners. Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of the doubt there though.

The call for him to have a reduced salary on the back of it seemed a bit of a non-starter for me too. MPs don't get paid a huge amount of money for what they do and he in particular is one of the ones who'll have been busier than ever before. He's world's apart from an elite footballer on £100k+ a week.

[JeMeSouviens]

I thought he was specifically asked about footballers at the time?
But you're probably right that he wouldn't have said yes had the question been about bankers though. :agree:

I think there's a lot of reasonable arguements that footballers are overpaid without the idea that they're working class (is that even true anymore?) and foreigners. Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of the doubt there though.

The call for him to have a reduced salary on the back of it seemed a bit of a non-starter for me too. MPs don't get paid a huge amount of money for what they do and he in particular is one of the ones who'll have been busier than ever before. He's world's apart from an elite footballer on £100k+ a week.

I don't think there are any reasonable arguments that footballers are overpaid that don't apply to any other group of highly-skilled people who are paid a fortune because there is a demand for their skills. I think footballers are absolutely picked out because of a peculiarly British class-conscious snobbery.

It was populist bandwagon-jumping for a govt minister to single them out and he has been called out for it. The making him squirm about his own salary might be a little unfair but, frankly, he deserves it. :wink:

Actually, the question about his own salary started off in the context of NZ govt ministers who have voluntarily signed up for a temporary 20% pay cut.

[Smartie]

I thought he was specifically asked about footballers at the time?
But you're probably right that he wouldn't have said yes had the question been about bankers though. :agree:

I think there's a lot of reasonable arguements that footballers are overpaid without the idea that they're working class (is that even true anymore?) and foreigners. Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of the doubt there though.

The call for him to have a reduced salary on the back of it seemed a bit of a non-starter for me too. MPs don't get paid a huge amount of money for what they do and he in particular is one of the ones who'll have been busier than ever before. He's world's apart from an elite footballer on £100k+ a week.

They don't, but when the message is "we're all in this together" there is nothing quite like making a gesture than you're going to drop your income by a certain amount to show that we genuinely are.

It doesn't need to be much - just something, anything.

It sends out a good signal, a better one than finger pointing at easy targets.

[lapsedhibee]

They don't, but when the message is "we're all in this together" there is nothing quite like making a gesture than you're going to drop your income by a certain amount to show that we genuinely are.

It doesn't need to be much - just something, anything.



:agree: Like a prime minister living in his home rather than his second home.

[danhibees1875]

I don't think there are any reasonable arguments that footballers are overpaid that don't apply to any other group of highly-skilled people who are paid a fortune because there is a demand for their skills. I think footballers are absolutely picked out because of a peculiarly British class-conscious snobbery.

It was populist bandwagon-jumping for a govt minister to single them out and he has been called out for it. The making him squirm about his own salary might be a little unfair but, frankly, he deserves it. :wink:

Actually, the question about his own salary started off in the context of NZ govt ministers who have voluntarily signed up for a temporary 20% pay cut.

Footballers have every right to try to earn as much as they can, and it's not their fault that the TV deals and sponsorship deals are worth so much money that clubs can afford to pay that much. But someone earning a million pounds a month to play football is crazy.

It probably was a bit of bandwagon jumping and at the time footballers did seem to be a bit harshly rounded upon by various groups. Although, I thought it was more aimed at football clubs - those furloughing non-playing staff while paying those wages - rather than at the footballers themselves.

I didn't catch the interview but what I'd seen about it alluded to NZ MPs taking a pay cut. I'm not sure if there was any reasons behind it or just showing some sort of solidarity but I don't expect politicians here to follow suit.

[JeMeSouviens]

Footballers have every right to try to earn as much as they can, and it's not their fault that the TV deals and sponsorship deals are worth so much money that clubs can afford to pay that much. But someone earning a million pounds a month to play football is crazy.

It probably was a bit of bandwagon jumping and at the time footballers did seem to be a bit harshly rounded upon by various groups. Although, I thought it was more aimed at football clubs - those furloughing non-playing staff while paying those wages - rather than at the footballers themselves.

I didn't catch the interview but what I'd seen about it alluded to NZ MPs taking a pay cut. I'm not sure if there was any reasons behind it or just showing some sort of solidarity but I don't expect politicians here to follow suit.

No crazier than someone earning a million pounds a month to do anything else.

[danhibees1875]

No crazier than someone earning a million pounds a month to do anything else.

Depends what that something else is - varying degrees of crazy though.

[lapsedhibee]

Finally we find out why the government didn't want to say who was in SAGE, the people giving out the science which the government is "following":

Cummings is in it.

[Berwickhibby]

Finally we find out why the government didn't want to say who was in SAGE, the people giving out the science which the government is "following":

Cummings is in it.

Strange I thought he now played for Shrewsbury lol 😂

[HibernianJK]

https://twitter.com/jackson_carlaw/status/1254692963134910464?s=21

This mans obsession with the union since he took office has been staggering especially during a crisis like this. I was no fan of Ruth Davidson’s politics but she at least seemed like a competent politician.

This is a big step back for the Scottish Tories IMO. He’s been corrected on virtually every point I’ve seen him make so far.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/jackson_carlaw/status/1254692963134910464?s=21

This mans obsession with the union since he took office has been staggering especially during a crisis like this. I was no fan of Ruth Davidson’s politics but she at least seemed like a competent politician.

This is a big step back for the Scottish Tories IMO. He’s been corrected on virtually every point I’ve seen him make so far.He's a weirdo. That's my political outlook on him.

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[HibernianJK]

https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/1256463740670787591?s=21

Interesting thread about the absurdly short memories of Tories despite initial conversation being referenced.

[grunt]

What are people's thoughts about the contents of Gove's bookshelves?

[Hibby Bairn]

What are people's thoughts about the contents of Gove's bookshelves?

What? His poems of Robert Burns?

I’ve seen this today on Twitter. People need to chill a bit. Millions of people love true crime (I know plenty who avidly read about serial murderers) but it doesn’t mean they are going to go out and kill someone.

Owen Jones, who started it, is a bit of a prat (imo) but his books are good. I don’t agree with a lot of his off the cuff ramblings but The Establishment is an enlightening read.

Wide reading of all points of view broadens the mind.

[Kato]

Article on Gove's bookshelves.

https://libcom.org/blog/whats-michael-goves-bookshelf-why-it-matters-06052020

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[Pretty Boy]

Article on Gove's bookshelves.

https://libcom.org/blog/whats-michael-goves-bookshelf-why-it-matters-06052020

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I had this argument with someone the other day. I enjoy reading or listening to things I don't agree with, I think it's dangerous not to do so. I can actually see a copy of Hitler's War by Irving from where I am sitting.

The difference is when it forms a pattern and hints at being reflective of someone's own behaviour or rhetoric. I think both those accusations could be aimed at Gove with a reasonable level of justification.

[Kato]

I had this argument with someone the other day. I enjoy reading or listening to things I don't agree with, I think it's dangerous not to do so. I can actually see a copy of a Hitler's War by Irving from where I am sitting.

The difference is when it forms a pattern and hints at being reflective of someone's own behaviour or rhetoric. I think both those accusations could be aimed at Gove without too much effort.

Yup, it comes down to balance.


Gove might well have another book shelf full of modern left-wing authors. That isn't reflected in his own written output or attitudes though so I somehow doubt it.

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[Tomsk]

I had this argument with someone the other day. I enjoy reading or listening to things I don't agree with, I think it's dangerous not to do so. I can actually see a copy of Hitler's War by Irving from where I am sitting.

The difference is when it forms a pattern and hints at being reflective of someone's own behaviour or rhetoric. I think both those accusations could be aimed at Gove with a reasonable level of justification.

Might make an interesting thread on its own - Books on Your Shelves That Need Some Explanation. :greengrin

[Callum_62]

How's the testing figures been since that glorious 122k day?

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[Moulin Yarns]

How's the testing figures been since that glorious 122k day?

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6 days running less than 100,000.

But it's OK, the BBC has reported the somewhat misleading "Italy is the first country to surpass 30,000 deaths in European Union"

True, but a great way to deflect from the truth that the UK passed that number a few days ago.

[Glory Lurker]

6 days running less than 100,000.

But it's OK, the BBC has reported the somewhat misleading "Italy is the first country to surpass 30,000 deaths in European Union"

True, but a great way to deflect from the truth that the UK passed that number a few days ago.

Eye-popping state broadcasting. Pathetic.

[Killiehibbie]

I can see books about Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Pol Pot, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, Thatcher, Churchill and Pee Wee Gaskins on the shelf. Not sure who wins as the worst human being between several of them.

[Callum_62]

Shock

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/13/brexit-will-mean-checks-on-goods-crossing-irish-sea-government-admits?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

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[BroxburnHibee]

Shock

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/13/brexit-will-mean-checks-on-goods-crossing-irish-sea-government-admits?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

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No shock to me whatsoever.

Lies lies lies is what he does.

And why not? It's clearly worked for him.

[lapsedhibee]

No shock to me whatsoever.

Lies lies lies is what he does.

And why not? It's clearly worked for him.

It has, but there are signs in the empty HoC that his luck may be about to run out. If Starmer continues the way he's started, Johnson is going to look foolish week in week out. No-one's subjected him to any sustained scrutiny before. I'm thinking his ego won't take it and he might resign on health grounds. (Also Murdoch may want a different puppet.)

[jonty]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/why-tory-mps-are-spreading-lies-keir-starmer/


Speaking on his LBC show, he said: "I am deeply perturbed to see three Conservative MPs, including an actual Minister, sharing online a heavily-doctored video from an obviously far-right account.

"Those three MPs have really allied themselves this morning with the forces of dishonesty and disgrace, although I'm sure they will all take measures to admit and withdraw their appalling errors at the very first opportunity."

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/why-tory-mps-are-spreading-lies-keir-starmer/

Nadine Dorries :faf:

[JeMeSouviens]

6 days running less than 100,000.

But it's OK, the BBC has reported the somewhat misleading "Italy is the first country to surpass 30,000 deaths in European Union"

True, but a great way to deflect from the truth that the UK passed that number a few days ago.

International comparisons ok again then, aye? :rolleyes:

[Future17]

Nadine Dorries :faf:

Honestly, how someone with such poor judgement can be part of the Government and get such an easy ride is scary.

I've never been a big fan of social media, but Twitter seems to be getting worse with regard to accounts with a wide reach and zero accountability.

[weecounty hibby]

How are these *******s getting away with this. Every single briefing or statement is a fabrication, full if lies, revisionism and downright made up *****. The right wing media in this country, and I actually include the BBC on this one, are pathetic and are not holding any of these ministers to account. The break up of the disunited kingdom cannot come quick enough. Elitist snobs mostly from one school in England ruling for the minority not the majority. It is shameful

[Hibrandenburg]

How are these *******s getting away with this. Every single briefing or statement is a fabrication, full if lies, revisionism and downright made up *****. The right wing media in this country, and I actually include the BBC on this one, are pathetic and are not holding any of these ministers to account. The break up of the disunited kingdom cannot come quick enough. Elitist snobs mostly from one school in England ruling for the minority not the majority. It is shameful


It's not a new phenomenon.

[Steven79]

How are these *******s getting away with this. Every single briefing or statement is a fabrication, full if lies, revisionism and downright made up *****. The right wing media in this country, and I actually include the BBC on this one, are pathetic and are not holding any of these ministers to account. The break up of the disunited kingdom cannot come quick enough. Elitist snobs mostly from one school in England ruling for the minority not the majority. It is shameful

Well said!

Coupled with those ********s forcing through a no-deal brexit that Scotland didn't vote for I can't see this "union" lasting much longer...

[Kato]

This was always coming.


https://www.rt.com/op-ed/489201-uk-scientists-politicians-covid/

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[weecounty hibby]

Have we just given up with this thread now? We all now just accept that if you are a Tory you will be a lying *******? That briefing was probably the worst thing I have ever seen from any politician anywhere. Those ****s would give trump a run for his money.

[Hiber-nation]

Have we just given up with this thread now? We all now just accept that if you are a Tory you will be a lying *******? That briefing was probably the worst thing I have ever seen from any politician anywhere. Those ****s would give trump a run for his money.

Something has to give. How about his chums in the ring wing media turning against him? No PMQs this week, what have they got to lose? Of course it will end up with the likes of Raab as PM but at least it would be a start.

Sorry, I've had a bit more than my usual Sunday afternoon quota of 2 glasses of wine...

[Mibbes Aye]

Have we just given up with this thread now? We all now just accept that if you are a Tory you will be a lying *******? That briefing was probably the worst thing I have ever seen from any politician anywhere. Those ****s would give trump a run for his money.

I am going to hold my nose while writing this but I think there are some Tories who genuinely believe in their political principles.

I won’t ever find myself agreeing with them but I can understand their rationale, even if it leaves me cold to the bone. At least it is honest. I would probably rank people like Peter Bone and maybe Gove in that camp. I would never want their views informing any policy decisions but I respect that they are probably genuine views, based on their ideology.

Johnson’s briefing was appalling and will come back to haunt him again and again. It makes him appear weak and in thrall to Cummings. It also makes them all appear opportunistic. My sense is that more stuff will emerge about Cummings - the fact that the Guardian and Mirror are all over it and the fact that he is so unliked within the Conservative Party -and he will need to go. The longer he stays before his ultimate demise, the bigger the damage for BJ. Boris is doubling down but I can’t see how it is sustainable. His problem is that he doesn’t seem to have anyone other that DC talking in his ear.

[Beefster]

I am going to hold my nose while writing this but I think there are some Tories who genuinely believe in their political principles.

I won’t ever find myself agreeing with them but I can understand their rationale, even if it leaves me cold to the bone. At least it is honest. I would probably rank people like Peter Bone and maybe Gove in that camp. I would never want their views informing any policy decisions but I respect that they are probably genuine views, based on their ideology.

Johnson’s briefing was appalling and will come back to haunt him again and again. It makes him appear weak and in thrall to Cummings. It also makes them all appear opportunistic. My sense is that more stuff will emerge about Cummings - the fact that the Guardian and Mirror are all over it and the fact that he is so unliked within the Conservative Party -and he will need to go. The longer he stays before his ultimate demise, the bigger the damage for BJ. Boris is doubling down but I can’t see how it is sustainable. His problem is that he doesn’t seem to have anyone other that DC talking in his ear.

I thought your first comment about Steve Baker this morning. I detest his politics, particularly on the EU, but at least he’s consistent. Would have been pretty easy for him to stay quiet about Cummings or fall into line, especially given they probably have some Brexit history.

[Mibbes Aye]

I thought your first comment about Steve Baker this morning. I detest his politics, particularly on the EU, but at least he’s consistent. Would have been pretty easy for him to stay quiet about Cummings or fall into line, especially given they probably have some Brexit history.

Yeah, I know where I stand and I am old enough that if I shift, it will be in graduations rather than transformations. I genuinely don’t mind Tories who are genuinely committed to their viewpoint. Will always struggle my understanding of their views, but I can take someone who has taken enough time to think and articulate their thoughts, even if it appals me. So as long as it doesn’t sink into dog-whistle, racist, homophobe etc then I am fine. The older I get, the more I like reading or hearing contrary opinions to mine, it challenges me more. Makes me reflect more and sharpen my own thinking.

[JeMeSouviens]

I thought your first comment about Steve Baker this morning. I detest his politics, particularly on the EU, but at least he’s consistent. Would have been pretty easy for him to stay quiet about Cummings or fall into line, especially given they probably have some Brexit history.

Cummings and the erg loathe one another.

[Kato]

Cummings and the erg loathe one another.

Is that because there is a rivalry as to who can be the most loathsome?

[Beefster]

Cummings and the erg loathe one another.

Didn’t know that. Any idea why?

It’s starting to sound like Cummings doesn’t have a lot of goodwill banked anywhere outside of Johnson and Gove.

[JeMeSouviens]

Didn’t know that. Any idea why?

It’s starting to sound like Cummings doesn’t have a lot of goodwill banked anywhere outside of Johnson and Gove.

They tried to bin him from vote leave quite early in the brexit campaign. Basically because he was rude about them. He outmanoeuvred them but has been feuding with them on and off since, eg.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/15-things-dominic-cummings-tory-mps

The thing about Cummings and Brexit is he doesn’t really care about sovereignty or immigration or any of that stuff. He wanted out of the EU as an excuse to and to make it easier to rip up Whitehall.

[weecounty hibby]

Cummings and Johnson, ****ing lying *******s and and embarrassment. Anyone who voted for these snake oil salesmen needs to go and have a long hard think about what the **** they have done. They wouldn't know the truth if it punched them in the face. An act that I find myself dreaming about more and more. Sunday's briefings and yesterday's statement have left the UK as a complete laughing stock. Scotland at least has a way out of this that I hope to god we grasp next time, but I feel sorry for England as they are stuck with ****bags like them for good

[Bristolhibby]

Didn’t know that. Any idea why?

It’s starting to sound like Cummings doesn’t have a lot of goodwill banked anywhere outside of Johnson and Gove.

Cummings wants to watch the world burn and rebuild in his own ideology.

The ERG genuinely hate Europe but respect the small c conseveratim. Deference to process, tradition and hierarchy. All because those systems make them ritch.

Cummings has no regard for such things. He hates the Civil Service and the EU is another of those beaurocracies in his opinion.

With BREXIT they were uncomfortable bedfellows.

Seriously recommend watching BREXIT - THE UNCIVIL WAR on Channel 4 catchup. Benedict Cumberbatch plays Cummings (before anyone knew who he was) really digs into the Cambridge Analytical scandal (remember that) and how they manipulated the British public.

Anyone (especially in Scotland where’s there’s a get out route) who is content to be ruled by these snake oil salesmen needs their bumps felt.

Have a look at the trailer.

https://youtu.be/3U9PtoH5bsM

Link to the drama.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/brexit-the-uncivil-war?cntsrc=social_share_ios_brexit_the_uncivil_war

J

[Bristolhibby]

Cummings and Johnson, ****ing lying *******s and and embarrassment. Anyone who voted for these snake oil salesmen needs to go and have a long hard think about what the **** they have done. They wouldn't know the truth if it punched them in the face. An act that I find myself dreaming about more and more. Sunday's briefings and yesterday's statement have left the UK as a complete laughing stock. Scotland at least has a way out of this that I hope to god we grasp next time, but I feel sorry for England as they are stuck with ****bags like them for good

Ha, without reading your post I used “snake oil salesmen” in my response. and the face that Scotland can GTF out of the Union. (Also I’m stuck with them).

Guess there’s a theme.

J

[Stonewall]

Whenever I see Gove I think Littlefinger. Hope he meets the same fate.

[JeMeSouviens]

This nails Dom I think:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/27/dominic-cummings-data

[Future17]

Nothing to see here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52826751

[easty]

Nothing to see here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52826751

What'll be the punishment for this? Absolutely nothing I’ll bet.

It’s a disgrace.

[Kato]

What'll be the punishment for this? Absolutely nothing I’ll bet.

It’s a disgrace.Brexit ****baggery happening whilst Barnard Castle hogs the limelight.

https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/dominic-cummings-a-cover-story-obscuring-something-far-darker/

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[JeMeSouviens]

Dom's father in law opines:

https://twitter.com/samjknights/status/1266006126526631936

I know this doesn't necessarily tell us anything about Dom but Jesus ****** Christ! They really are as bad as people like me think they are.

This, otoh, does tell us that Dom is just as much of an entitled prick:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/11/genetics-teaching-gove-adviser

[Hibrandenburg]

Dom's father in law opines:

https://twitter.com/samjknights/status/1266006126526631936

I know this doesn't necessarily tell us anything about Dom but Jesus ****** Christ! They really are as bad as people like me think they are.

This, otoh, does tell us that Dom is just as much of an entitled prick:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/11/genetics-teaching-gove-adviser

Creepy, bottom feeding 1930's fascist creepy.

[Kato]

Creepy, bottom feeding 1930's fascist creepy.Ironically coming over as an inbred monster.

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[Tobias Funke]

Creepy, bottom feeding 1930's fascist creepy.

Incredible to think reprobates like that exist in this day and age.

[Berwickhibby]

Ironically coming over as an inbred monster.

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What angers me as I have dealt with Humphrey Wakefield on a professional level and always found him respectful and not up his own arse. His employees seem to like him and he has always paid well compared to others in the area. Seeing this makes me feel I have been duped.

[Kato]

What angers me as I have dealt with Humphrey Wakefield on a professional level and always found him respectful and not up his own arse. His employees seem to like him and he has always paid well compared to others in the area. Seeing this makes me feel I have been duped.It's turned into a cliche to say it but they have been "emboldened" to allow their nastier beliefs to be vocalised. Once they've said these ithings it's only a few steps away from enacting them in some way. The torys kept these fruitloops at arms length in the 70's and 80's. Now they are at the centre of the party, with a public cow-towing to them no matter what they say.

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[Callum_62]

Maybe this lying is catching up with them

https://twitter.com/JamesEnders/status/1266806117482614784?s=19

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[lapsedhibee]

Maybe this lying is catching up with them

https://twitter.com/JamesEnders/status/1266806117482614784?s=19


Some cause for optimism, but Raab lying his head off again to Marr just now.

[JimBHibees]

Dom's father in law opines:

https://twitter.com/samjknights/status/1266006126526631936

I know this doesn't necessarily tell us anything about Dom but Jesus ****** Christ! They really are as bad as people like me think they are.

This, otoh, does tell us that Dom is just as much of an entitled prick:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/11/genetics-teaching-gove-adviser

Makes you puke the genetics chat really does.

[JimBHibees]

Creepy, bottom feeding 1930's fascist creepy.

Nailed it.

[Moulin Yarns]

Investigation show that the 'cottage' Dominic Cummings travelled to in county Durham is a second home, doesn’t have planning permission and isn't registered for council tax.




https://universalcreditsuffer.com/2020/05/31/cummings-spare-cottage-without-planning-permission-and-pays-no-council-tax/

[Berwickhibby]

Investigation show that the 'cottage' Dominic Cummings travelled to in county Durham is a second home, doesn’t have planning permission and isn't registered for council tax.




https://universalcreditsuffer.com/2020/05/31/cummings-spare-cottage-without-planning-permission-and-pays-no-council-tax/

I imagine a hefty bill heading their way, and depending on the age of the building the council have the authority to demolish it if retrospective planning permission is not granted

[Moulin Yarns]

I imagine a hefty bill heading their way, and depending on the age of the building the council have the authority to demolish it if retrospective planning permission is not granted

If the article is correct then demolition is a distinct possibility.

[Berwickhibby]

If the article is correct then demolition is a distinct possibility.

Especially if it was built for another purpose on paper. I.e. Barn, milking shed etc where a grant was probably issued.

[Moulin Yarns]

Especially if it was built for another purpose on paper. I.e. Barn, milking shed etc where a grant was probably issued.

It doesn't exist, for any purpose, on the land registry.

The father's property is band D Council tax, but is valued at around £650,000.

[Mibbes Aye]

I think the failure to pay council tax is the bigger issue. There may have been a genuine misunderstanding (no s******ing at the back!) but essentially the public purse has been deprived of what it should have had. I have no idea how long the cottage has been there for, but if the CT hasn't been paid through the time of austerity and indeed the virus crisis then that, added to his flouting of the rules, must make it impossible for him to continue.

If Boris has any other adviser with half a brain, they should be telling him that everybody will be digging into every aspect of DC's behaviour and history with an increased ferocity. Like any person, we accumulate some mistakes, bad choices and downright stupid errors through life. I don't think for a second that there won't be more about DC to come out, as so many people are digging into his life. The gradual dripfeed makes things more and more toxic for the Tories - the longer he stays on, the more damage it does to the Tories. Some might think he can ride it out but when the GE comes, whenever that is, Starmer and Labour will have a field day if Cummings is still in post.

[Berwickhibby]

It doesn't exist, for any purpose, on the land registry.

The father's property is band D Council tax, but is valued at around £650,000.

Council tax was based on properties in 1991 ....could have been a **** hole with an outhouse back then

[JeMeSouviens]

Johnson "proud of his record" on handling coronavirus (amid another absolute hiding from Starmer at PMQs).

Seriously.

"Proud".

[Moulin Yarns]

Especially if it was built for another purpose on paper. I.e. Barn, milking shed etc where a grant was probably issued.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52911605

[Callum_62]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-us-trade-talks-boris-johnson-trump-a9549656.html

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[Kato]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-us-trade-talks-boris-johnson-trump-a9549656.html

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkBritain Trump bending over to take it from America Trump.

Who could have predicted that?

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[lapsedhibee]

Hancock has dedicated his entire political life to ending discrimination. :faint:

[hibsbollah]

Hancock has dedicated his entire political life to ending discrimination. :faint:

It’s amazing what’s happened to political discussion in this country in general. But that man in particular tells so many transparent lies with an innocent butter wouldn’t melt expression on his face that I think he’s actually gone down to the crossroads and made a deal with the devil to be the worlds liar incarnate.

[hibsbollah]

Has anyone listened to the business minister Nadim Zarwayi before? An Absolute slaver. It’s almost like the Tories have stopped even trying to sound plausible. They’ve got four years and that’s all that matters.

[lapsedhibee]

Has anyone listened to the business minister Nadim Zarwayi before? An Absolute slaver. It’s almost like the Tories have stopped even trying to sound plausible. They’ve got four years and that’s all that matters.

Didn't hear him today but Zahawi's always poor. He generally gets wheeled out when somebody's required to speak up for policies which even the most rampant of cabinet liars won't touch. He's too dim to lie and ends up in appalling pickles. Did he mention he was an immigrant at all?

[hibsbollah]

Didn't hear him today but Zahawi's always poor. He generally gets wheeled out when somebody's required to speak up for policies which even the most rampant of cabinet liars won't touch. He's too dim to lie and ends up in appalling pickles. Did he mention he was an immigrant at all?

Yes :faf:

He says his family came from Iraq, and Iraqis are very grateful to the British for setting up the civil service during the empire. The Today programme interviewer didn’t ask if this is the event that Iraqi civilians think of most when they think of their relationship with Britain.

But he was generally terrible throughout.

[hibsbollah]

PMQs is becoming more and more irrelevant. Boris Johnson didn’t directly answer a single question Starmer, distract divert distract. I’m not sure at what point the Speaker needs to step in. PMQs doesn’t mean the PM asks questions, he answers questions.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200618/df9342f3996f1615991f84799cb15642.jpg
Jackson backs the wrong horse again.


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[Keith_M]

Jackson backs the wrong horse again.


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May 20th - The PM says England will have a "world-beating" tracing system from June (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52741331)


June 17th - Government Track and Trace App may not be ready until winter. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-contract-tracing-app-uk-nhs-a9571461.html)


June 18th - Government Ditches it's Track and Trace App (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/live-updates-uk-pandemic-coronavirus-22192385)


June 18th - Dan Bloom, on Twitter (https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1273656923431239684?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1273656923431239684&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld% 2Flive%2F2020%2Fjun%2F18%2***-coronavirus-live-news-updates-covid-19-treasury-health-funding-private-hospitals-nhs-backlog-boris-johnson)

' Matt Hancock today: "We backed both horses" - and worked on two apps at once.

Department of Health told me in an on-record statement on May 18: "There is no alternative app."

Doesn't look great on the face of it. Hope no one tells the guy who runs the Department of Health. '

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/boris-johnson-theres-may-ignored-claims-russia-had-likely-hold-over-donald-trump-ex-spy-christopher-steele-claims

...And still no sign of the promised report into Russian interference in Brexit.
And we were told that Corbyn was the one in the pocket of the Russians.:aok:

[JimBHibees]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/boris-johnson-theres-may-ignored-claims-russia-had-likely-hold-over-donald-trump-ex-spy-christopher-steele-claims

...And still no sign of the promised report into Russian interference in Brexit.
And we were told that Corbyn was the one in the pocket of the Russians.:aok:

Pretty shocking that is allowed to happen and definitely explains Trumps weakness with Putin.

[ronaldo7]

Robert Jenrick under pressure to resign due to his support for tory donor during the planning process.

This has been coming for a few weeks, let's see what they do.

[Future17]

Robert Jenrick under pressure to resign due to his support for tory donor during the planning process.

This has been coming for a few weeks, let's see what they do.

Johnson giving it the Cummings treatment. "Time to move on..." blah blah blah.

[hibsbollah]

Robert Jenrick under pressure to resign due to his support for tory donor during the planning process.

This has been coming for a few weeks, let's see what they do.

I hadn’t really looked at this story until this morning.
A bit of a ‘wow’ moment, it’s as clear a case of corruption in public office as you can get. Which denied the poorest borough in England £45million, and instead lines the pockets of the owner of Express Newspapers and Nice n Fat. All the emails and bank records seem to be public record, it’s an open and shut case.
In normal times he’d be straight out the door.
Its really something the police should be looking at.

[lapsedhibee]

I hadn’t really looked at this story until this morning.
A bit of a ‘wow’ moment, it’s as clear a case of corruption in public office as you can get. Which denied the poorest borough in England £45million, and instead lines the pockets of the owner of Express Newspapers and Nice n Fat. All the emails and bank records seem to be public record, it’s an open and shut case.
In normal times he’d be straight out the door.
Its really something the police should be looking at.

I'd jail Desmond just for spelling dough 'doe'.

[ronaldo7]

I hadn’t really looked at this story until this morning.
A bit of a ‘wow’ moment, it’s as clear a case of corruption in public office as you can get. Which denied the poorest borough in England £45million, and instead lines the pockets of the owner of Express Newspapers and Nice n Fat. All the emails and bank records seem to be public record, it’s an open and shut case.
In normal times he’d be straight out the door.
Its really something the police should be looking at.

Kudos to labour for pushing this one.

They eventually got all the records released after the Tories refusing. (Not like them)

They've moved on from cash for questions, to cash for housing developments. Much more money in that.

Follow the money and you'll always find the Tories in the trough.

It's got to go to the standards committee now.

[Future17]

I'd jail Desmond just for spelling dough 'doe'.

"Doe, it's dear, it's far too dear,
Pay Jenrick a smaller sum."

[JeMeSouviens]

I hadn’t really looked at this story until this morning.
A bit of a ‘wow’ moment, it’s as clear a case of corruption in public office as you can get. Which denied the poorest borough in England £45million, and instead lines the pockets of the owner of Express Newspapers and Nice n Fat. All the emails and bank records seem to be public record, it’s an open and shut case.
In normal times he’d be straight out the door.
Its really something the police should be looking at.

This is the "new normal". :wink:

The Vote Leave normal - corrupt, lying *****baggery is de rigeur. If you get caught, just keep lying until it goes away.

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1276057878269476865?s=20


Asked how ordinary members of the public can influence planning decisions in the same way Richard Desmond was able to, Business Minister Nadhim Zahawi says they should go to Conservative party fundraisers and talk to Tory MPs.

[neil7908]

This is the "new normal". :wink:

The Vote Leave normal - corrupt, lying *****baggery is de rigeur. If you get caught, just keep lying until it goes away.

This is what scares me about politics now. We get a laugh at Trump but I genuinely don't think our politicians are much better. I'm not sure what's happened to voters in this country but they seem to not just willing, but desperate to support some truly idiotic ideas and incompetent, serial liars.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm not sure what's happened to voters in this country but they seem to not just willing, but desperate to support some truly idiotic ideas and incompetent, serial liars.

At least we've always got Nadhim Zahawi to tell it like it is.

[JimBHibees]

At least we've always got Nadhim Zahawi to tell it like it isnt

:greengrin

[hibsbollah]

This is the "new normal". :wink:



Now THAT i'd sack a shadow cabinet member for. On the spot:wink:

[lapsedhibee]

:greengrin

Any other minister would have lied about Jenrick's shenanigans. But Zahawi's too dim to lie, so he just comes right out and explains that anyone, whoever they are, can influence government decision-making by going to a Tory fundraiser and giving them money. :faf:

[hibsbollah]

Any other minister would have lied about Jenrick's shenanigans. But Zahawi's too dim to lie, so he just comes right out and explains that anyone, whoever they are, can influence government decision-making by going to a Tory fundraiser and giving them money. :faf:

Im really enjoying his work. He looks a lot like my neighbour Tony, who is also a prick.

[neil7908]

Im really enjoying his work. He looks a lot like my neighbour Tony, who is also a prick.

😅😅😅😅

[JeMeSouviens]

Daily Mail journo on twitter:

John Stevens@johnestevens

No10 won't say how many times Boris Johnson met Richard Desmond in months before his £1bn scheme was approved

No10 won't say if Richard Desmond sent Boris Johnson text messages about development

No10 won't say if Richard Desmond met aides working for Boris Johnson

Jenrick, His Master's Voice?

:cb

[Future17]

Criticism in the Commons of Johnson's father who recently travelled to Greece.

Rees-Mogg replied with a Bible reference which made no sense.

[JeMeSouviens]

Criticism in the Commons of Johnson's father who recently travelled to Greece.

Rees-Mogg replied with a Bible reference which made no sense.

Latin or Greek? He said, expecting the answer Aramaic. :rolleyes:

[Mibbes Aye]

Latin or Greek? He said, expecting the answer Aramaic. :rolleyes:

If it wasn’t Hebrew does that make it anti-semitic? :greengrin

[Kato]

Criticism in the Commons of Johnson's father who recently travelled to Greece.

Rees-Mogg replied with a Bible reference which made no sense.

Another liar who hides behind "a faith", like that last PM, the one who danced like an animated lolly stick.

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[ronaldo7]

The Jenrick cash for favours story continues.

They're really up to their necks in it, but those who vote for them see nothing, move along. Thousands donated to the party but it doesn't really matter, as they don't care anymore. Shysters.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/exclusive-robert-jenrick-new-cash-favours-row/

[hibsbollah]

Criticism in the Commons of Johnson's father who recently travelled to Greece.

Rees-Mogg replied with a Bible reference which made no sense.

The criticism is ridiculous. He went to Greece to ‘Covid proof’ his house so he could rent it out through the summer. It doesn’t sound implausible at all :faf: Buffoon Junior refuses to answer questions about it today.

It’s another ‘I was testing my eyesight on a drive to Barnard Castle’ all over again.
What a gutless, gullible, electorate to put up with this absolute disgrace of a government. The French would have taken to the streets weeks ago.

[Pretty Boy]

Criticism in the Commons of Johnson's father who recently travelled to Greece.

Rees-Mogg replied with a Bible reference which made no sense.

'Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories.'

The 2nd Epistle of Peter would have provided a suitable quote to describe Rees-Mogg, Johnson and their ilk.

[Smartie]

The criticism is ridiculous. He went to Greece to ‘Covid proof’ his house so he could rent it out through the summer. It doesn’t sound implausible at all :faf: Buffoon Junior refuses to answer questions about it today.

It’s another ‘I was testing my eyesight on a drive to Barnard Castle’ all over again.
What a gutless, gullible, electorate to put up with this absolute disgrace of a government. The French would have taken to the streets weeks ago.

The conduct of this government absolutely infuriates me. It is so poor, it is actually deserving of consequences far worse than have been seen so far.

What is starting to irk me almost as much is the fact that they appear to be getting away with it.

[Future17]

The criticism is ridiculous. He went to Greece to ‘Covid proof’ his house so he could rent it out through the summer. It doesn’t sound implausible at all :faf: Buffoon Junior refuses to answer questions about it today.

It’s another ‘I was testing my eyesight on a drive to Barnard Castle’ all over again.
What a gutless, gullible, electorate to put up with this absolute disgrace of a government. The French would have taken to the streets weeks ago.

As a point of principle, I don't think Johnson should have to answer questions about his father in Parliament in this context. He, presumably, has no control over where his father goes or what he does.

I was more intrigued by Rees-Mogg's response. It was typically snooty, but suggests to me he maybe doesn't understand the bible reference he mentioned. Here's the clip:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-53267746/stanley-johnson-greece-flight-raised-in-commons

[lapsedhibee]

Sunak, who seems to be a sort of Great White Hope for some who recognise that the UK cabinet is essentially useless, blotted his copybook a bit by claiming that he couldn't wait to get back to the pub. He doesn't drink.

[Future17]

Sunak, who seems to be a sort of Great White Hope for some who recognise that the UK cabinet is essentially useless, blotted his copybook a bit by claiming that he couldn't wait to get back to the pub. He doesn't drink.

Orange juice just doesn't taste the same at home.

[lapsedhibee]

I was more intrigued by Rees-Mogg's response. It was typically snooty, but suggests to me he maybe doesn't understand the bible reference he mentioned. Here's the clip:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-53267746/stanley-johnson-greece-flight-raised-in-commons

Nonsensical literary references instead of reasoned argument? Is he building up to the top job when Johnson gets sacked by the suits?

[Pretty Boy]

As a point of principle, I don't think Johnson should have to answer questions about his father in Parliament in this context. He, presumably, has no control over where his father goes or what he does.

I was more intrigued by Rees-Mogg's response. It was typically snooty, but suggests to me he maybe doesn't understand the bible reference he mentioned. Here's the clip:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-53267746/stanley-johnson-greece-flight-raised-in-commons

Tbf to Rees-Mogg he attends Mass given by the schismatic SSPX brigade. They hide their bigotries and hatred behind a veneer of enjoying Mass in Latin. He probably misunderstood the quote because he's never heard it in English before.

[ronaldo7]

Remember when the PM said no border checks on the irish border. He kept it in house so to speak. :greengrin

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

[JeMeSouviens]

FFS, he’s like the post-nuclear cockroach ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/09/chris-grayling-expected-chair-isc-intelligence-security-committee

[hibsbollah]

FFS, he’s like the post-nuclear cockroach ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/09/chris-grayling-expected-chair-isc-intelligence-security-committee

Thanks for that link. I hadnt realised my old boss is on that committee. Working with Chris Grayling to try and squash the Russia report coming out.

[Future17]

Thanks for that link. I hadnt realised my old boss is on that committee. Working with Chris Grayling to try and squash the Russia report coming out.

Let's hope that's Grayling's brief...should mean we all get to read it soon.

[neil7908]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender

Snouts in the trough.

[hibsbollah]

Let's hope that's Grayling's brief...should mean we all get to read it soon.

:faf:
He’ll have accidentally taken a photo of the smoking gun and sent it to the worlds media.

[lapsedhibee]

Snouts? Trough? Nothing to see here. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender)

[Future17]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender

Snouts in the trough.


Snouts? Trough? Nothing to see here. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender)

Are you guys twins? :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Are you guys twins? :greengrin

Oops, missed that. :doh: (I'm a twin, not sure about neil7908.)

[Future17]

Oops, missed that. :doh: (I'm a twin, not sure about neil7908.)

:greengrin

[neil7908]

Oops, missed that. :doh: (I'm a twin, not sure about neil7908.)

Not that I'm aware of but I think it's time for a talk with my parents...

[Future17]

I see Johnson is to attend a Srebenica memorial event later, having refused to apologise for prior comments that the men, women and children that were raped and massacred "weren't exactly angels". He's a horrible human being.

[Bostonhibby]

Another thought provoking read:-

Yesterday we issued proceedings in the High Court against @michaelgove. You can read those proceedings, which allege both breaches of procurement law and apparent bias in the grant of a lucrative contract to longtime associates of Mr Cummings, here: https://t.co/81i37VYVdE

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[lapsedhibee]

Another thought provoking read:-

Yesterday we issued proceedings in the High Court against @michaelgove. You can read those proceedings, which allege both breaches of procurement law and apparent bias in the grant of a lucrative contract to longtime associates of Mr Cummings, here: https://t.co/81i37VYVdE



Excellent news. Hope that gets somewhere before UKGov manages to nobble/close down the courts.

[Bostonhibby]

Excellent news. Hope that gets somewhere before UKGov manages to nobble/close down the courts.If only the broadsheet newspapers and TV politics shows did investigative journalism.

Wonderful one for Laura Keunsberg or Andrew Marr to ask a direct question about value for taxpayers money and the selection process.

More chance of Hearts finishing building a single tier stand on time and on budget sadly.

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[JeMeSouviens]

The Intelligence & Security committee decided Grayling as chair was muppetry they couldn't take and elected Tory Julian Lewis instead, contrary to Dom's instructions. JL has been dumped by the Tories in retaliation, whip withdrawn.

We should get to see the Russia report at last ...

[Future17]

The Intelligence & Security committee decided Grayling as chair was muppetry they couldn't take and elected Tory Julian Lewis instead, contrary to Dom's instructions. JL has been dumped by the Tories in retaliation, whip withdrawn.

We should get to see the Russia report at last ...

Cummings will be incredulous that 18 months of chicanery has been reduced to rubble by a Tory. Pleasing.

[Saturday Boy]

Copied from The Mirror:

SNP defence spokesman Stewart McDonald said: "Chris Grayling is the only man who could lose a rigged election”

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Cummings will be incredulous that 18 months of chicanery has been reduced to rubble by a Tory. Pleasing.

“Incredulous”, “pleasing”? Jambo language if ever I’ve seen it!

LTYF [emoji16]

[Bostonhibby]

Copied from The Mirror:

SNP defence spokesman Stewart McDonald said: "Chris Grayling is the only man who could lose a rigged election”However disaster prone he's been Grayling just can't be flushed away, successive Tory leaders have always found something for him to **** up.

He's now been put in charge of the very important post Brexit project of finding elephants in a phone box.

The elephants are so sure they'll not get caught they're planning a couple of housewarming parties in the phone box.

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[Future17]

“Incredulous”, “pleasing”? Jambo language if ever I’ve seen it!

LTYF [emoji16]

I just assumed that's how we've all to talk to avoid legal proceedings.

[hibsbollah]

The Intelligence & Security committee decided Grayling as chair was muppetry they couldn't take and elected Tory Julian Lewis instead, contrary to Dom's instructions. JL has been dumped by the Tories in retaliation, whip withdrawn.

We should get to see the Russia report at last ...

They’re meeting this morning, we’ll get to see how much Julian Lewis has been bullied over the last few days.

edit-Nope, will now be published sometime before the 22nd July when the commons rises for the summer.

[neil7908]

Couple more great examples of how much our Tory masters are in touch with the common man:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-fox-hunting-sexual-illegal-ban-a9624846.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/desmond-swayne-tory-mp-blackface-james-brown-david-cameron-a9625761.html

[Tomsk]

The Intelligence & Security committee decided Grayling as chair was muppetry they couldn't take and elected Tory Julian Lewis instead, contrary to Dom's instructions. JL has been dumped by the Tories in retaliation, whip withdrawn.

We should get to see the Russia report at last ...

Which is ironic because we are becoming more like Russia every day.

[bawheid]

Couple more great examples of how much our Tory masters are in touch with the common man:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-fox-hunting-sexual-illegal-ban-a9624846.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/desmond-swayne-tory-mp-blackface-james-brown-david-cameron-a9625761.html

“the weird semi-sexual relation with the horse”

WTF is it with these Tories? Cameron with the pig and now this. Absolutely bizarre human beings.

[hibsbollah]

It’s Official, Donald Trump controls UK Govt policy.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jul/18/pressure-from-trump-led-to-5g-ban-britain-tells-huawei

[Kato]

It’s Official, Donald Trump controls UK Govt policy.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jul/18/pressure-from-trump-led-to-5g-ban-britain-tells-huawei"Rejecting claims that the UK government was kowtowing to Trump because of the UK’s need to sign a post-Brexit trade deal with Washington, Matt Hancock, the health secretary, dismissed the president’s claim. “We all know Donald Trump, don’t we,” he told Sky News. “But I think this is a sensible decision. All sorts of people can try to claim credit for the decision but this was based on a technical assessment by the National Cyber Security Centre about how we can have the highest quality 5G systems in the future.”


Whatevs

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[Bostonhibby]

"Rejecting claims that the UK government was kowtowing to Trump because of the UK’s need to sign a post-Brexit trade deal with Washington, Matt Hancock, the health secretary, dismissed the president’s claim. “We all know Donald Trump, don’t we,” he told Sky News. “But I think this is a sensible decision. All sorts of people can try to claim credit for the decision but this was based on a technical assessment by the National Cyber Security Centre about how we can have the highest quality 5G systems in the future.”


Whatevs

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkSo that's all good then, the Health Secretary with his excellent reputation for truth and accuracy in his own area telling us all about something that isn't his area.

May as well get Chris Grayling to drive the bus on this one......

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[Bishop Hibee]

I’ve got the absolute boke at the “get going’ adverts from the U.K. government. Meaningless drivel. Must be Tories who are secretly delighted to Covid19 deflecting from this economic catastrophe.

[lapsedhibee]

I’ve got the absolute boke at the “get going’ adverts from the U.K. government. Meaningless drivel. Must be Tories who are secretly delighted to Covid19 deflecting from this economic catastrophe.

Has there been anything other than meaningless drivel since Johnson was appointed? :dunno:

[EI255]

Has there been anything other than meaningless drivel since Johnson was appointed? :dunno:Despite his money and background, it's clear now that BJ isn't as intellectual or intelligent as his predecessors. I'm actually embarrassed for him sometimes. The way he works his arms and fist (presumably to show his intent) is cringey and (long) overplayed.

Tories will do well to get anywhere close to runners up at next election.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Despite his money and background, it's clear now that BJ isn't as intellectual or intelligent as his predecessors. I'm actually embarrassed for him sometimes. The way he works his arms and fist (presumably to show his intent) is cringey and (long) overplayed.

Tories will do well to get anywhere close to runners up at next election.


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As I've been saying for a while now, Boris Johnson is a buffoon who has been educated well beyond his intellectual ability, he's surrounded himself with similar buffoons. Unfortunately south of the border, having a posh accent still counts as a qualification.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Despite his money and background, it's clear now that BJ isn't as intellectual or intelligent as his predecessors. I'm actually embarrassed for him sometimes. The way he works his arms and fist (presumably to show his intent) is cringey and (long) overplayed.

Tories will do well to get anywhere close to runners up at next election.


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That's the most optimistic thing I've read in a long time. We are talking about the British voting public remember :crazy:

[SHODAN]

That's the most optimistic thing I've read in a long time. We are talking about the British voting public remember :crazy:

The Tory leader could be a mannequin with a Union Jack on it and it would still pick up at least 200 seats.

[neil7908]

The Tory leader could be a mannequin with a Union Jack on it and it would still pick up at least 200 seats.

The Mail, Sun etc would still be supporting them as well.

[hibsbollah]

I’m just listening to the Committees findings on Russian interference.

1.This is clearly just broad Russia bashing.
2. No evidence of Tory links with Russia in respect of Brexit ref. No evidence, because the Torrie deliberately didn’t investigate it.
3. Government is being criticised for that. But Govt can say, quite rightly’there is no evidence’.

So it’s a whitewash. And the delay in publishing is part of the diversion.

[hibsbollah]

C5 news guy Q- ‘what’s the worst thing that Russia has done in terms of interference’?
Wor Kevin’s A- ‘that’s the answer we’d like to find out too’ :dunno:

So what was the purpose of the committees work then?

[hibsbollah]

Jones clearly unwilling to talk about Aaron Banks. Avoiding Guardian question.

[grunt]

C5 news guy Q- ‘what’s the worst thing that Russia has done in terms of interference’?
Wor Kevin’s A- ‘that’s the answer we’d like to find out too’ :dunno:

So what was the purpose of the committees work then?


The Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) was established by the Intelligence Services Act 1994 to examine the policy, administration and expenditure of the Security Service, Secret Intelligence Service and Government Communications Headquarters. The Committee has developed its oversight remit, with the Government’s agreement, to include examination of the work of the Joint Intelligence Committee and the Intelligence and Security Secretariat, which includes the Assessments Staff in the Cabinet Office. The Committee also takes evidence from the Defence Intelligence Staff, part of the Ministry of Defence, which assists the Committee in respect of work within the Committee’s remit.

It's an oversight committee. Its job is to watch what our intelligence services are doing. So when they say,"we'd like to find out too", they are criticising the Government and the Intelligence services for not doing their job properly.

[grunt]

Here's a reminder of what the Tories did last night in the HoC in relation to the Trade Bill.


MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.


MPs have voted against New Clause 4, with 326 votes to 263.This New Clause relates to parliamentary approval of trade agreements.


MPs have voted against amendment 10, with 345 votes to 244.This amendment would have ensured that the consent of a devolved government is required for regulations under section 2(1) if those regulations contain matters which are within the remit of the devolved government.

********s.

[Rocky]

This clip contains Kevan Jones at the ISC hearing directly refuting four No.10 lies that they used to avoid publishing the Russia report before the election. I suppose those lies could also be called "valid PR tactics" if one is so inclined.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/instant-reaction-to-the-russia-report-brexit-meddling/

[Bristolhibby]

I’m just listening to the Committees findings on Russian interference.

1.This is clearly just broad Russia bashing.
2. No evidence of Tory links with Russia in respect of Brexit ref. No evidence, because the Torrie deliberately didn’t investigate it.
3. Government is being criticised for that. But Govt can say, quite rightly’there is no evidence’.

So it’s a whitewash. And the delay in publishing is part of the diversion.

This is Nelson putting his telescope to his missing eye and proclaiming “I see no ships”.

Technically true. But it was his job to know where the enemy ships were.

J

[grunt]

This clip contains Kevan Jones at the ISC hearing directly refuting four No.10 lies that they used to avoid publishing the Russia report before the election. I suppose those lies could also be called "valid PR tactics" if one is so inclined.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/instant-reaction-to-the-russia-report-brexit-meddling/What can you say to that? We're officially living in a banana republic where our Government overtly lies to us and there is nothing done.

[Bristolhibby]

This is explosive. Have a read.

Total dereliction of duty to the people just because it suits their agenda to “see nothing”.

No idea how Scotland can stay tied to this crap.

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/07/21/russia-report-the-government-left-us-completely-exposed-to-k

[ronaldo7]

What can you say to that? We're officially living in a banana republic where our Government overtly lies to us and there is nothing done.

Even the small c cONSERVATIVES on here will struggle with this. That's if they want to see it. :wink:

[lapsedhibee]

This clip contains Kevan Jones at the ISC hearing directly refuting four No.10 lies that they used to avoid publishing the Russia report before the election. I suppose those lies could also be called "valid PR tactics" if one is so inclined.

:tsk tsk:

[Bristolhibby]

We laugh at Trump when he says “if we don’t test for COVID then we won’t discover any new cases” but that’s exactly our own government’s position on Russian interference in our democracy.

J

[lapsedhibee]

Here's a reminder of what the Tories did last night in the HoC in relation to the Trade Bill.

********s.

People knew exactly what they were voting for when they voted for charlatans in November.

[wpj]

People knew exactly what they were voting for when they voted for charlatans in November.

Love the Charlatans 😉

[Mr Grieves]

Jones clearly unwilling to talk about Aaron Banks. Avoiding Guardian question.


I heard this live on the radio. He basically referred the journalist to the specific paragraph in the report, which just happens to have a few redactions.

There's been some mental spin - that telegraph piece last night was a joke, somebody from number 10 obviously getting in there early. And now you've got the Scottish Tories demanding an inquiry into Russian interference into the independence referendum (security and intelligence is reserved BTW) while the UK government are saying there won't be an inquiry into the EU ref :dunno:

[degenerated]

I heard this live on the radio. He basically referred the journalist to the specific paragraph in the report, which just happens to have a few redactions.

There's been some mental spin - that telegraph piece last night was a joke, somebody from number 10 obviously getting in there early. And now you've got the Scottish Tories demanding an inquiry into Russian interference into the independence referendum (security and intelligence is reserved BTW) while the UK government are saying there won't be an inquiry into the EU ref :dunno:Doesn't the report state the Russian interference in our referendum extended to them commenting on the legitimacy of the result.

And that was despite asking them to get involved in the first place.





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[wpj]

Do you think there will be an inquiry? Personally I think Boris and his spinners will be putting a line under Same (ironically) like Putin and Trumpvand Bpris, not having a pop at your comment. In my very humble opinion we afe heading for some serious problems ahead, here and further afield
Please forgive my grammar, been ill and with roo large fingers andvthumbs and unable ro understanf the spellchecker!!!

[Kato]

Do you think there will be an inquiry? Personally I think Boris and his spinners will be putting a line under Same (ironically) like Putin and Trumpvand Bpris, not having a pop at your comment. In my very humble opinion we afe heading for some serious problems ahead, here and further afield
Please forgive my grammar, been ill and with roo large fingers andvthumbs and unable ro understanf the spellchecker!!!

Following on from Thatcher selling the family silver the ethos has carried on as no one in the Tory party has any imagination, therefore everything is for sale. Everything. Elections, referendums, themselves.

The fact that they are saying the report clears the Russians of any interference in the Brexit vote, even though the Brexit vote isn't part of the report tells you the Russians most definitely interfered in the Brexit.

By 1960's, 1970's standards the are all traitors. This is a new century however and fear among their supporters means they will say nothing to rock the boat.

[ronaldo7]

I heard this live on the radio. He basically referred the journalist to the specific paragraph in the report, which just happens to have a few redactions.

There's been some mental spin - that telegraph piece last night was a joke, somebody from number 10 obviously getting in there early. And now you've got the Scottish Tories demanding an inquiry into Russian interference into the independence referendum (security and intelligence is reserved BTW) while the UK government are saying there won't be an inquiry into the EU ref :dunno:

Scottish Tories you say... Whatever happened to that lunch that Ruth Davison was going to with some Russian oligarchs wife. £20,000 for the privilege.

[Mr Grieves]

Doesn't the report state the Russian interference in our referendum extended to them commenting on the legitimacy of the result.

And that was despite asking them to get involved in the first place.





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Yes, the Russians were spreading rumours the vote was rigged but this was after the referendum


Scottish Tories you say... Whatever happened to that lunch that Ruth Davison was going to with some Russian oligarchs wife. £20,000 for the privilege.

Is that the same Russian oligarch's wife that paid the tories £45000 to play tennis with Boris, £30000 for a private meal with education secretary Gavin Williamson and £135000 for a night out with ex PM Theresa May?

Seems pretty obvious why the tories aren't interested in investigating this any further.

[heretoday]

Of course the Russians interfered. It's what they do and have done ever since WWII.
Haven't we learned anything?

[Kato]

Newsnight presenter to Tory bloke: What about this Russia stuff then?

Tory bloke: Stop creating a media campaign about Brexit!!!

Newsnight: Didn't mention it, we're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Brexit is done we've left the EU!!!

Newsnight: We're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Yes, no doubt there's lessons to be learned there.

---

This lot are shameless. I do find myself laughing a lot when there's Govt performances like that on the telly. Not at them or the situation, just at the idea that people fall for such transparent guff.

[wpj]

Newsnight presenter to Tory bloke: What about this Russia stuff then?

Tory bloke: Stop creating a media campaign about Brexit!!!

Newsnight: Didn't mention it, we're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Brexit is done we've left the EU!!!

Newsnight: We're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Yes, no doubt there's lessons to be learned there.

---

This lot are shameless. I do find myself laughing a lot when there's Govt performances like that on the telly. Not at them or the situation, just at the idea that people fall for such transparent guff.

It's difficult to parody when politicians have become such a parody of themselves

[Kato]

It's difficult to parody when politicians have become such a parody of themselves

True. It's not really a parody though, that was the general flow of the conversation.

No one was talking about Brexit, a question re- the general tone of Putin's New Cold War was put to the Tory bloke and he immediately went off on one about the media promoting an Anti-Brexit agenda.

They are so idiotic that the his reaction tells everyone that there was Russian interference in the Brexit campaigning and the Tories know it.

[hibsbollah]

Newsnight presenter to Tory bloke: What about this Russia stuff then?

Tory bloke: Stop creating a media campaign about Brexit!!!

Newsnight: Didn't mention it, we're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Brexit is done we've left the EU!!!

Newsnight: We're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Yes, no doubt there's lessons to be learned there.

---

This lot are shameless. I do find myself laughing a lot when there's Govt performances like that on the telly. Not at them or the situation, just at the idea that people fall for such transparent guff.

Did they have a mocked up picture of Boris in a Russian hat?

[Kato]

Did they have a mocked up picture of Boris in a Russian hat?M I was listening rather than watching. Probably just used the Corbyn one again.

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[Bristolhibby]

Newsnight presenter to Tory bloke: What about this Russia stuff then?

Tory bloke: Stop creating a media campaign about Brexit!!!

Newsnight: Didn't mention it, we're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Brexit is done we've left the EU!!!

Newsnight: We're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Yes, no doubt there's lessons to be learned there.

---

This lot are shameless. I do find myself laughing a lot when there's Govt performances like that on the telly. Not at them or the situation, just at the idea that people fall for such transparent guff.

Pretty much exactly what BoJo said at PMQs today.

Will of the people, get Brexit done, peoples vote, etc.

****tard!

J

[Future17]

If anyone was struggling to form an opinion on this, Johnson has said he thinks we should just "move on". Based on his previous use of that phrase, he clearly has something to hide.

[JimBHibees]

Pretty much exactly what BoJo said at PMQs today.

Will of the people, get Brexit done, peoples vote, etc.

****tard!

J

Watched part of that utterly astonishing performance of not answering the questions with preprepared nonsense about Starmer and labour. This country is in an absolute state at the moment.

[Mon Dieu4]

Of course the Russians interfered. It's what they do and have done ever since WWII.
Haven't we learned anything?

Exactly and I'd be disappointed if we weren't doing the same to them too, difference is the Russians don't really care too much who knows or not so seem less sly about it all

[Kato]

Of course the Russians interfered. It's what they do and have done ever since WWII.
Haven't we learned anything?

We've learned that if Russians buy up loads of property in London and beyond and donate millions to the Tory party then they are allowed a free pass to do what they want. It's Tory philosophy, everything is up for sale including our Govt and our electoral systems.

[Rocky]

Exactly and I'd be disappointed if we weren't doing the same to them too, difference is the Russians don't really care too much who knows or not so seem less sly about it all

The difference is they'll be trying to stop us from interfering. Our government appear to be actively enabling them.

[grunt]

Newsnight presenter to Tory bloke: What about this Russia stuff then?

Tory bloke: Stop creating a media campaign about Brexit!!!

Newsnight: Didn't mention it, we're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Brexit is done we've left the EU!!!

Newsnight: We're talking about this Russia stuff.

Tory bloke: Yes, no doubt there's lessons to be learned there.

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This lot are shameless. I do find myself laughing a lot when there's Govt performances like that on the telly. Not at them or the situation, just at the idea that people fall for such transparent guff.Not just the UK Gov, either! :greengrin

Ben Bradshaw MP (To BJ in HoC): Why didn't the PM investigate Russian interference in the EU referendum?

Andy Wigmore (Leave.EU): Hey Ben Bradshaw! Why don't you accuse me and Aaron Banks outside of Parliament and outside of Parliamentary privilege, where we can defend ourselves?

Carole Cadwalladr (Guardian journo and bane of Aaron Banks): Ben Bradshaw never mentioned you? Guilty conscience?

[Glory Lurker]

The government just shrugging and saying "we will try harder in future" genuinely depresses me. They are shameless. Where the hell is this country going?

[matty_f]

The government just shrugging and saying "we will try harder in future" genuinely depresses me. They are shameless. Where the hell is this country going?

Nobody holds them to account and they’ve got the backing of a right wing press so instead of reading about the stuff that e should be reading about, we’ll have front pages of the Royal Family or whoever Katie Price is ****ging these days until the story goes away.

It’s thoroughly depressing.

You actually long for the days when MPs resigned for things like telling lies or pumping someone while wearing a Chelsea strip.

You have to wonder at what point do people say “enough is enough”?

These *******s should be going to jail.

[grunt]

You actually long for the days when MPs resigned for things like telling lies or pumping someone while wearing a Chelsea strip.

That's a blast from the past!

[Bristolhibby]

The government just shrugging and saying "we will try harder in future" genuinely depresses me. They are shameless. Where the hell is this country going?

End the Union. It’s quite simple.

J

[BroxburnHibee]

I'm convinced now that Cummings is a Russian agent and has loads of stuff on Bojo.

We're basically being run by Putin :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Nobody holds them to account and they’ve got the backing of a right wing press so instead of reading about the stuff that e should be reading about, we’ll have front pages of the Royal Family or whoever Katie Price is ****ging these days until the story goes away.

It’s thoroughly depressing.

You actually long for the days when MPs resigned for things like telling lies or pumping someone while wearing a Chelsea strip.

You have to wonder at what point do people say “enough is enough”?

These *******s should be going to jail.

There was toe sucking involved.
David Mellor.
Simple, innocent times.

The tories have got a comfy lead in the polls. Boris now a better PM than Starmer, according to the GBP.

It really is ****.

[lapsedhibee]

You actually long for the days when MPs resigned for things like telling lies or pumping someone while wearing a Chelsea strip.


Aitken eventually resigned for lying but not before he had a right good go at gaslighting with his 'simple sword of truth' pish.

[wpj]

Like the USA regarding the protests for #BLM, the issues run deeper than any government is acknowledging. The discontent will grow.

[SHODAN]

There was toe sucking involved.
David Mellor.
Simple, innocent times.

The tories have got a comfy lead in the polls. Boris now a better PM than Starmer, according to the GBP.

It really is ****.

That's not true - Starmer is 20 points ahead, as we were repeatedly told "any Labour leader but Corbyn" would be.

Or it turns out people in the UK just really like voting Tory. :dunno:

[G B Young]

That's not true - Starmer is 20 points ahead, as we were repeatedly told "any Labour leader but Corbyn" would be.

Or it turns out people in the UK just really like voting Tory. :dunno:

Tories have extended their lead according to this survey.

https://savanta.com/view/conservatives-extending-their-lead-despite-drop-in-cabinets-personal-ratings/

TBH though I don't really see the point of these sort of polls so early in a government's tenure. The next election's more than four years away and politics has taken a back seat to Coronavirus for nearly six months now.

[hibsbollah]

Tories have extended their lead according to this survey.

https://savanta.com/view/conservatives-extending-their-lead-despite-drop-in-cabinets-personal-ratings/

TBH though I don't really see the point of these sort of polls so early in a government's tenure. The next election's more than four years away and politics has taken a back seat to Coronavirus for nearly six months now.

It really hasn’t. Politics is front and centre of the coronavirus period. I’ve never seen it MORE relevant. Just because there’s not an election scheduled doesn’t mean the process loses relevance :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/what-its-like-trying-to-report-on-a-prime-ministers-visit?amp&__twitter_impression=true

On Johnson’s visit today.


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[Bristolhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/what-its-like-trying-to-report-on-a-prime-ministers-visit?amp&__twitter_impression=true

On Johnson’s visit today.


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Is he ever going to put his brave pants on?

I saw #BorisFarewellTour is trending on Twitter.

J

[grunt]

Thought this was funny. *contains swearies

https://twitter.com/EdBish18/status/1286261994253844480?s=20

[hibsbollah]

I like this headline;
‘RAF jets scrambled as Russian Asset spotted in Pentland Firth’

[Hibrandenburg]

Naughty Tory

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/charlie-elphicke-trial-former-conservative-mp-found-guilty-of-sexual-assault-12037909

[Hibernia&Alba]

Naughty Tory

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/charlie-elphicke-trial-former-conservative-mp-found-guilty-of-sexual-assault-12037909

Chasing a woman around the house, shouting "I'm a naughty Tory". It sounds comical, but he sexually assaulted her. His wife is still with him and is now MP for his old seat :confused:.

My gran used to call Tory politicians "perverts and fornicators"; hypocrites who preached about traditional family values. I tend to think she was right.

[lapsedhibee]

Chasing a woman around the house, shouting "I'm a naughty Tory". It sounds comical, but he sexually assaulted her. His wife is still with him and is now MP for his old seat :confused:.

My gran used to call Tory politicians "perverts and fornicators"; hypocrites who preached about traditional family values. I tend to think she was right.

Nope, bailed at the verdict.

[heretoday]

Chasing a woman around the house, shouting "I'm a naughty Tory". It sounds comical, but he sexually assaulted her. His wife is still with him and is now MP for his old seat :confused:.

My gran used to call Tory politicians "perverts and fornicators"; hypocrites who preached about traditional family values. I tend to think she was right.

That's a bit unfair really. I can name some Liberals and Labour people who've transgressed similarly.
It's something some blokes do when they're in positions of power and influence.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Nope, bailed at the verdict.

Did she? So, had he been found not guilty, she would have stood by her man? Well, she does have her career to think of :rolleyes::bitchy:

[Hibernia&Alba]

That's a bit unfair really. I can name some Liberals and Labour people who've transgressed similarly.
It's something some blokes do when they're in positions of power and influence.

The hypocrisy is the issue, mate. 'Traditional family values'; well, sexual assault of young women didn't happen in my family. He's a beast.

[lapsedhibee]

Did she? So, had he been found not guilty, she would have stood by her man? Well, she does have her career to think of :rolleyes::bitchy:

https://twitter.com/NatalieElphicke/status/1288814457934815232

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://twitter.com/NatalieElphicke/status/1288814457934815232

She believed her husband until a jury of twelve strangers had to pronounce him a predator, and only then did she decide he was a liar. What if he had been found not guilty by same jury? 25 years with him, only to finally have the penny drop in a courtroom. Okay then. Now she can get on with representing his old constituency...

[marinello59]

Did she? So, had he been found not guilty, she would have stood by her man? Well, she does have her career to think of :rolleyes::bitchy:

If he had been found not guilty then he would have been innocent wouldn’t he? Why wouldn’t she stand by him if that was the case?

[Hibernia&Alba]

If he had been found not guilty then he would have been innocent wouldn’t he? Why wouldn’t she stand by him if that was the case?

So she needed a jury of twelve strangers to make up her mind for her? I can't imagine forming an opinion of my spouse in that way after 25 years. She believed him up until the moment the foreman of the jury said the word guilty, and only then decided to cut ties. It seems very contrived and cynical to me. Being charitable, perhaps she is just very slow on the uptake, but, if so, how can she be an MP?

I would be willing to bet she knew exactly what he's like, but then cynically decided to look after herself once he had been convicted. She certainly knew he was at the very least a philanderer.

[grunt]

Being charitable, perhaps she is just very slow on the uptake, but, if so, how can she be an MP?
That seems to be the main requirement these days.

[marinello59]

So she needed a jury of twelve strangers to make up her mind for her? I can't imagine forming an opinion of my spouse in that way after 25 years. She believed him up until the moment the foreman of the jury said the word guilty, and only then decided to cut ties. It seems very contrived and cynical to me. Being charitable, perhaps she is just very slow on the uptake, but, if so, how can she be an MP?

I would be willing to bet she knew exactly what he's like, but then cynically decided to look after herself once he had been convicted. She certainly knew he was at the very least a philanderer.

What’s your opinion of the thousands of SNP supporters sticking by Alex Salmond after he was declared innocent despite him being exposed as a philanderer. ( I’ll be honest, one of the main reasons I replied was to use the word philanderer. :greengrin)

[Hibernia&Alba]

What’s your opinion of the thousands of SNP supporters sticking by Alex Salmond after he was declared innocent despite him being exposed as a philanderer. ( I’ll be honest, one of the main reasons I replied was to use the word philanderer. :greengrin)

If Salmond's wife had supposedly believed everything he said up until a jury had pronounced him guilty, then had suddenly cut him out of her life, I would say it's a cynical move, just the same. How can one fully support a spouse for decades, only to then change one's mind at the moment a jury verdict is announced? Did she really have no idea of his character until that moment, then chose to believe in his guilt? It's so bizarre.

[Beefster]

So she needed a jury of twelve strangers to make up her mind for her? I can't imagine forming an opinion of my spouse in that way after 25 years. She believed him up until the moment the foreman of the jury said the word guilty, and only then decided to cut ties. It seems very contrived and cynical to me. Being charitable, perhaps she is just very slow on the uptake, but, if so, how can she be an MP?

I would be willing to bet she knew exactly what he's like, but then cynically decided to look after herself once he had been convicted. She certainly knew he was at the very least a philanderer.

This is a odd view imho. And incredibly judgemental. You’ve got no idea what was going through the woman’s mind.

If Mrs Beefster was accused of a crime and protested her innocence, I think it would be natural to believe her and want her to be telling the truth. If I subsequently sat through a trial and watched her found guilty then that would obviously change things.

Incidentally, lots of folk stay with philandering partners. Wouldn’t be for me but it’s also not for me to judge the private lives of others. There’s a massive difference between philandering and sexual assault.

[Sir David Gray]

This is a odd view imho. And incredibly judgemental. You’ve got no idea what was going through the woman’s mind.

If Mrs Beefster was accused of a crime and protested her innocence, I think it would be natural to believe her and want her to be telling the truth. If I subsequently sat through a trial and watched her found guilty then that would obviously change things.

Incidentally, lots of folk stay with philandering partners. Wouldn’t be for me but it’s also not for me to judge the private lives of others. There’s a massive difference between philandering and sexual assault.

:agree: If someone I'd been married to for 25 years had been accused of a serious crime I'd be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt when they have protested their innocence.

If they then get convicted in a court of law then of course that changes things. I don't see how anyone can be criticised for waiting until the end of a criminal trial before deciding to break up a 25 year marriage and I think some people are allowing their hatred of the Conservatives cloud their judgement on this one.

[lapsedhibee]

If Mrs Beefster was accused of a crime and protested her innocence, I think it would be natural to believe her and want her to be telling the truth. If I subsequently sat through a trial and watched her found guilty then that would obviously change things.

After sitting through the evidence, wouldn't you have made your mind up? Why wait for the strangers to make up your mind? :dunno:

I'm not saying Mrs B is guilty, by the way.

[Hibrandenburg]

This is a odd view imho. And incredibly judgemental. You’ve got no idea what was going through the woman’s mind.

If Mrs Beefster was accused of a crime and protested her innocence, I think it would be natural to believe her and want her to be telling the truth. If I subsequently sat through a trial and watched her found guilty then that would obviously change things.

Incidentally, lots of folk stay with philandering partners. Wouldn’t be for me but it’s also not for me to judge the private lives of others. There’s a massive difference between philandering and sexual assault.

Good post.

[Beefster]

After sitting through the evidence, wouldn't you have made your mind up? Why wait for the strangers to make up your mind? :dunno:

I'm not saying Mrs B is guilty, by the way.

Who knows? It’s easy to sit in judgement on stuff like this, especially when it’s two Tories involved. I suspect that it’s an incredibly difficult time for the innocent spouse and they must be having to deal with all sorts of horrible stuff, thoughts etc. Sometimes a bit of humanity is required when looking in on someone in a **** situation outwith their control. IMHO.

Mrs B is only guilty of being the best wife ever (this sentence was dictated by a third party).

[Hibernia&Alba]

This is a odd view imho. And incredibly judgemental. You’ve got no idea what was going through the woman’s mind.

If Mrs Beefster was accused of a crime and protested her innocence, I think it would be natural to believe her and want her to be telling the truth. If I subsequently sat through a trial and watched her found guilty then that would obviously change things.

Incidentally, lots of folk stay with philandering partners. Wouldn’t be for me but it’s also not for me to judge the private lives of others. There’s a massive difference between philandering and sexual assault.


:agree: If someone I'd been married to for 25 years had been accused of a serious crime I'd be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt when they have protested their innocence.

If they then get convicted in a court of law then of course that changes things. I don't see how anyone can be criticised for waiting until the end of a criminal trial before deciding to break up a 25 year marriage and I think some people are allowing their hatred of the Conservatives cloud their judgement on this one.

What? After 25 years you need a jury of strangers to make up your mind about your spouse? If I suspected my partner was untrustworthy/possibly dangerous, I would have come to that conclusion long ago. On the other hand, if I was convinced of his/her innocence, I would stand by a spouse regardless of verdict. Who on earth relies upon a court verdict to decide their marriage after 25 years? So Elphicke's wife entered The Old Bailey convinced of his innocence, holding his hand, then left believing he was guilty post verdict? This was no process of realisation after the trail evidence. Either she is completely naive or she had already decided upon her course of action dependent upon verdict. To me it smacks of ruthless careerism. I just can't imagine entering a verdict hearing in support of a spouse, then leaving it having cut all ties. This purportedly intelligently woman never rose up against him in 25 years and had no inkling of the man he is?

[Beefster]

What? After 25 years you need a jury of strangers to make up your mind about your spouse? If I suspected my partner was untrustworthy/possibly dangerous, I would have come to that conclusion long ago. On the other hand, if I was convinced of his/her innocence, I would stand by a spouse regardless of verdict. Who on earth relies upon a court verdict to decide their marriage after 25 years? So Elphicke's wife entered The Old Bailey convinced of his innocence, holding his hand, then left believing he was guilty post verdict? This was no process of realisation after the trail evidence. Either she is completely naive or she had already decided upon her course of action dependent upon verdict. To me it smacks of ruthless careerism. I just can't imagine entering a verdict hearing in support of a spouse, then leaving it having cut all ties. This purportedly intelligently woman never rose up against him in 25 years and had no inkling of the man he is?

During the trial, evidence would have come out about the sexual assaults that took place. Maybe she went into the trial thinking her husband was a philanderer but believed that he wasn’t guilty of sexual assault, based on the things he told her.

What you would do/suspect is completely irrelevant to her actions. As I said before, lots of folk put up with adultery (which presumably counts as ‘untrustworthy’). Just because you or I wouldn’t doesn’t make either of us qualified to pontificate and sit in judgement on folks’ private lives imho. It’s not like she was the one abusing her position and power. She’s a woman and a Tory though so is automatically judged differently from other folk.

It’s naive in the extreme to think that every spouse knows every little thing and character quirk about their partner, even after 25 years. I’m sure we all like to pretend that we do but the reality suggests otherwise (e.g., adultery).

Anyway, we’re going to end up going around in circles and never agree so it is what it is.

[Hibernia&Alba]

During the trial, evidence would have come out about the sexual assaults that took place. Maybe she went into the trial thinking her husband was a philanderer but believed that he wasn’t guilty of sexual assault, based on the things he told her.

What you would do/suspect is completely irrelevant to her actions. As I said before, lots of folk put up with adultery (which presumably counts as ‘untrustworthy’). Just because you or I wouldn’t doesn’t make either of us qualified to pontificate and sit in judgement on folks’ private lives imho. It’s not like she was the one abusing her position and power. She’s a woman and a Tory though so is automatically judged differently from other folk.

It’s naive in the extreme to think that every spouse knows every little thing and character quirk about their partner, even after 25 years. I’m sure we all like to pretend that we do but the reality suggests otherwise (e.g., adultery).

Anyway, we’re going to end up going around in circles and never agree so it is what it is.

Her political views are not germane to this. I would say the same of any man or woman: it smacks of careerism in this situation. Having sat through the trail, Mrs Elphicke walked into the verdict hearing hand in hand with the beast, only to emerge with a new life. That isn't a gradual change of mind based upon court evidence. It's a very sudden change based upon what exactly?

You are correct in saying we each bring our own interpretation to the table here. Perhaps I am cynical in sensing ruthless ambition.

[hibsbollah]

Her political views are not germane to this. I would say the same of any man or woman: it smacks of careerism in this situation. Having sat through the trail, Mrs Elphicke walked into the verdict hearing hand in hand with the beast, only to emerge with a new life. That isn't a gradual change of mind based upon court evidence. It's a very sudden change based upon what exactly?

You are correct in saying we each bring our own interpretation to the table here. Perhaps I am cynical in sensing ruthless ambition.

I think your cynicism is probably well founded. Assuming Mrs Elphick is also a Tory, her raison d’être will be back the winner, leave the weakest behind. brutally, always. In this way her **** bag husband, by being a courtroom loser, is a victim of the selfish political dogma he pursued all his life. Poetic justice :aok:

I feel better now.

[ronaldo7]

36 new peers to be created. Ruth the mooth, Ken Clark, Philip Hammond, and Theresa May's husband gets a knighthood. Nigel ***** Dodds.

Still better together?

[Saturday Boy]

36 new peers to be created. Ruth the mooth, Ken Clark, Philip Hammond, and Theresa May's husband gets a knighthood. Nigel ***** Dodds.

Still better together?

You forgot about bojo’s bro. And the former Brexit Party MEP.

They must think we button up the back.

[weecounty hibby]

36 new peers to be created. Ruth the mooth, Ken Clark, Philip Hammond, and Theresa May's husband gets a knighthood. Nigel ***** Dodds.

Still better together?

I actually have no issue with Ken Clark in the Lords. A fantastic parliamentarian and not just a stooge for the Tory government. The rest are a ****ing joke just being put their as stooges for the Tory government. Better together is the biggest con trick ever played on the Scottish electorate

[heretoday]

I see Alex Salmond missed out again. Typical.
Lord Botham sounds good though.

[Glory Lurker]

I see Alex Salmond missed out again. Typical.
Lord Botham sounds good though.

Insert Botham-Lords joke here.

[Moulin Yarns]

I see Alex Salmond missed out again. Typical.
Lord Botham sounds good though.

How do you know Salmond wasn't offered a peerage and turned it down?

[ronaldo7]

You forgot about bojo’s bro. And the former Brexit Party MEP.

They must think we button up the back.

I was leaving him as the icing on the cake. Vote leave will have a section on their own amongst the 11 lords a sleeping.

[lapsedhibee]

Assuming Mrs Elphick is also a Tory,

That's a reasonable assumption, as she's the Tory MP for the seat that was Mr Elphicke's before he became Naughty.

[hibsbollah]

That's a reasonable assumption, as she's the Tory MP for the seat that was Mr Elphicke's before he became Naughty.

You can tell I’ve been following this story closely :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Her political views are not germane to this. I would say the same of any man or woman: it smacks of careerism in this situation. Having sat through the trail, Mrs Elphicke walked into the verdict hearing hand in hand with the beast, only to emerge with a new life. That isn't a gradual change of mind based upon court evidence. It's a very sudden change based upon what exactly?

You are correct in saying we each bring our own interpretation to the table here. Perhaps I am cynical in sensing ruthless ambition.

IMO the decisions, based on the various scenarios, were likely made before the verdict, jointly and severally. "Guilty and it's over, not guilty and we will put up a United front"