Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory) [Archive] - Page 10

marinello59

05-10-2020, 12:38 PM

Previously I was undecided about the competence of the current chancellor, but after having just watched Rishi Sunak's autocue speech from the Conservative Party Conference I'm now convinced he's as much of a hoof****ing bungle**** as the rest of them and is spoon fed his soundbites by Cummings.

I never got how anybody thought he was anything other than a Cummings puppet. He only got the job because the previous Chancellor refused to be controlled by Dom.

Hibrandenburg

05-10-2020, 12:44 PM

I never got how anybody thought he was anything other than a Cummings puppet. He only got the job because the previous Chancellor refused to be controlled by Dom.

Yes, the Cummings bit was obvious, it was the hoof****ing bungle**** bit I was undecided on. :greengrin

marinello59

05-10-2020, 12:45 PM

Yes, the Cummings bit was obvious, it was the hoof****ing bungle**** bit I was undecided on. :greengrin

:greengrin

Ozyhibby

05-10-2020, 12:59 PM

Previously I was undecided about the competence of the current chancellor, but after having just watched Rishi Sunak's autocue speech from the Conservative Party Conference I'm now convinced he's as much of a hoof****ing bungle**** as the rest of them and is spoon fed his soundbites by Cummings.

He’s now talking about balancing the books which means we are talking massive austerity again.

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Kato

05-10-2020, 01:07 PM

He’s now talking about balancing the books which means we are talking massive austerity again.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBalancing the books so that it doesn't interrupt the flow of cash towards those who already well minted.

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weecounty hibby

05-10-2020, 01:14 PM

They could start to balance the books by taking money back from the companies who were given it for services they could never deliver. Ferries, POE and test and trace spring instantly to mind. Perhaps they would also like to close the loopholes on tax avoidance. Luke Rees-mogg for example earning over 100m in the last five years and paying diddly squat in tax. ****ing despicable bunch of con artists. And we are allowing it to happen. We see it, we know about it and we allow it. Shame on us as well

Kato

05-10-2020, 01:17 PM

"Through careful management of our economy, this Conservative government will always balance the books."

Man, you have to laugh.

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cabbageandribs1875

05-10-2020, 01:35 PM

weecounty hibby

05-10-2020, 02:00 PM

agree with all that except the last part, there's only one group that should have any shame, those that helped vote in the most crooked corrupt government in the history of westminster, shame on THEM not us

Yeah, I was more meaning about in Scotland. No matter what anyone says Scotland has not voted for a Tory gov since the mid 50s but we keep getting them. Even if we had voted for Labour last time we would still have a ****ing Tory gov. I still fail to see how after all of what's been happening in the last ten years and more recently that staying part of a union that votes these *******s in more often than not is a good thing

marinello59

05-10-2020, 02:27 PM

agree with all that except the last part, there's only one group that should have any shame, those that helped vote in the most crooked corrupt government in the history of westminster, shame on THEM not us

How about every single party who supported remain but failed to see that a large section of people in our country had legitimate concerns about being left behind and not listened to? The Tories answered their call. They gave the the wrong answer but nobody else was taking them seriously.

Hibrandenburg

05-10-2020, 06:00 PM

How about every single party who supported remain but failed to see that a large section of people in our country had legitimate concerns about being left behind and not listened to? The Tories answered their call. They gave the the wrong answer but nobody else was taking them seriously.

I think it's more the case that they gave the answer that the people wanted, the easy answer is that it's someone else's fault.

Hibrandenburg

08-10-2020, 11:57 AM

Watching Davidson demand that Sturgeon explain how and when she will compensate businesses who will be effected was particularly galling yesterday.

Pretty Boy

08-10-2020, 12:05 PM

Watching Davidson demand that Sturgeon explain how and when she will compensate businesses who will be effected was particularly galling yesterday.

I posted yesterday that the £40M grant was nowhere near enough. That is largely true.

However the SG has cobbled together what they can and, putting aside the various debates about the merits of the restrictions on hospitality, they have tried to mitigate the impact to the best of their ability.

Davidson should be asking questions of her bosses in London. They are simultaneously increasing restrictions whilst cutting support. It's nonsensical and is abandoning the lowest paid workers and the most vulnerable in society at a time when they need help the most. Whatever people's views are on hospitality (or other imapacted industries) they should all be standing together with fellow workers and humans and demanding better from the government. It's so inherently wrong. It's classic double standards from Davidson and her ire is, at least in part, being aimed at the wrong people.

matty_f

08-10-2020, 12:05 PM

Watching Davidson demand that Sturgeon explain how and when she will compensate businesses who will be effected was particularly galling yesterday.

I ****ing detest her, horrible human being and a brass neck you couldn't mark with a blow torch.

matty_f

08-10-2020, 12:07 PM

hibsbollah

08-10-2020, 12:43 PM

they should all be standing together with fellow workers and humans and demanding better from the government.

Socialist talk. :not worth On .net. Never thought I’d see the day :greengrin

Hibrandenburg

08-10-2020, 12:49 PM

I posted yesterday that the £40M grant was nowhere near enough. That is largely true.

However the SG has cobbled together what they can and, putting aside the various debates about the merits of the restrictions on hospitality, they have tried to mitigate the impact to the best of their ability.

Davidson should be asking questions of her bosses in London. They are simultaneously increasing restrictions whilst cutting support. It's nonsensical and is abandoning the lowest paid workers and the most vulnerable in society at a time when they need help the most. Whatever people's views are on hospitality (or other imapacted industries) they should all be standing together with fellow workers and humans and demanding better from the government. It's so inherently wrong. It's classic double standards from Davidson and her ire is, at least in part, being aimed at the wrong people.

That's what I found galling.

bawheid

08-10-2020, 12:53 PM

Whatever people's views are on hospitality (or other imapacted industries) they should all be standing together with fellow workers and humans and demanding better from the government.

As someone who doesn’t work in hospitality but feels greatly for those that do at the moment, I’m up for this.

The problem with taking to the streets of Scotland is, who are we protesting about? As you suggest the Scottish Government are cobbling together what they can from down the back of the sofa. Westminster hold the power here but is Boris going to be concerned about a protest in Edinburgh? Probably not, he’ll just twist it around to point it at the SNP and he’ll be backed by the right wing press and the ‘impartial’ BBC.

So if we don’t do the protest thing, what next? Don’t vote Tory at the next election? I think we’ve tried that a few times over the past 50 years or so.

There really only is one long term solution here.

Bostonhibby

08-10-2020, 01:13 PM

I ****ing detest her, horrible human being and a brass neck you couldn't mark with a blow torch.An awful human being, demonstrating all her Tory credentials to her admirers and peers South of the border.

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Moulin Yarns

08-10-2020, 09:22 PM

I gather the leader of the tory branch in Scotland got a gig in England tonight, running the lines for his favourite national team.

Mon Dieu4

08-10-2020, 09:59 PM

Glorious to watch the Tory on Question Time squirm to make the point that the state we are in is due to a global pandemic and not their fault, the irony that for 10 years they have went on about how a Global Financial Crisis was all Labours fault

Future17

11-10-2020, 10:54 AM

Jenrick has more lives than a cat:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54498357

Bristolhibby

11-10-2020, 11:18 PM

As someone who doesn’t work in hospitality but feels greatly for those that do at the moment, I’m up for this.

The problem with taking to the streets of Scotland is, who are we protesting about? As you suggest the Scottish Government are cobbling together what they can from down the back of the sofa. Westminster hold the power here but is Boris going to be concerned about a protest in Edinburgh? Probably not, he’ll just twist it around to point it at the SNP and he’ll be backed by the right wing press and the ‘impartial’ BBC.

So if we don’t do the protest thing, what next? Don’t vote Tory at the next election? I think we’ve tried that a few times over the past 50 years or so.

There really only is one long term solution here.

You’ve just articulated the greatest point for Independence.

Scotland is in a half-way-house, a kid on Parliament while being at the mercy of a callous English centred Tory party.

Totally effete.

J

Mr Grieves

12-10-2020, 08:36 PM

JeMeSouviens

12-10-2020, 08:39 PM

This from Scot Tory mp Andrew Bowie caught my eye...

https://twitter.com/AndrewBowie_MP/status/1315183583934451712?s=19

'Our vision is for a country united and prosperous, sharing in the advantages and creative dynamism provided by our being one, United Kingdom.

And this Internal Market Bill, is just the start. The UK Govt is back in Scotland. Get used to it.'

:wtf:

Ah, the 6 chip tory twat!

At least he’s honest. It’s better than the mealy mouthed “family of nations” pish.

Not sure honesty will prove to be his best policy, mind.

cabbageandribs1875

13-10-2020, 01:59 AM

'kin SHAME ON THEM.. s**m

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Mr Grieves

13-10-2020, 06:52 PM

Ah, the 6 chip tory twat!

At least he’s honest. It’s better than the mealy mouthed “family of nations” pish.

Not sure honesty will prove to be his best policy, mind.

It's all just a bit arrogant. I'm not sure the "get used to it" line will age well.

Future17

13-10-2020, 09:37 PM

It's all just a bit arrogant. I'm not sure the "get used to it" line will age well.

Agreed. I wonder who his intended audience actually is with that line. I doubt he knows.

Just Alf

14-10-2020, 08:26 PM

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1315915345421570049?s=19

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Ozyhibby

16-10-2020, 10:19 PM

https://news.stv.tv/politics/msp-emails-constituent-tweak-my-usual-response-in-gaffe?top&amp&__twitter_impression=true

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hibeedc

19-10-2020, 05:15 PM

cabbageandribs1875

19-10-2020, 05:23 PM

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speedy_gonzales

19-10-2020, 05:28 PM

Cummings getting away with it again.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-cummings-council-tax-durham-property-planning-permission-b1016505.html

Speaking to someone I know who works for Edinburgh Council and deals with council tax, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
You can't be liable for council tax if the building didn't legally exist. To backdate the council tax would mean accepting the building was legitimate.
If that's correct, then I'd guess anyone in this situation would be treated the same. No doubt his old boys network made the process as painless as possible though!

lapsedhibee

19-10-2020, 05:39 PM

You can't be liable for council tax if the building didn't legally exist. To backdate the council tax would mean accepting the building was legitimate.

Fair enough. So long as he's made to pull the building down.

hibeedc

19-10-2020, 05:52 PM

Speaking to someone I know who works for Edinburgh Council and deals with council tax, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
You can't be liable for council tax if the building didn't legally exist. To backdate the council tax would mean accepting the building was legitimate.
If that's correct, then I'd guess anyone in this situation would be treated the same. No doubt his old boys network made the process as painless as possible though!
Fair enough but they seem to be getting away scot free despite their 'mistake' of not getting planning permission. Either pay what is due or pull the houses down, doubt we would be treated so leniently.

Kato

19-10-2020, 05:52 PM

Fair enough. So long as he's made to pull the building down.

Happened to a boy near my brothers house. Built the whole house, never had planning/permit - EC ordered it be demolished. Ended up with retro planning permission (a good few thousand spent on that) and the full council tax being applied.

cabbageandribs1875

19-10-2020, 10:21 PM

and absolutely nothing has changed, Nye Bevan knew :agree:

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*assuming that was his exact words....:cb

Colr

20-10-2020, 08:15 PM

The Government at war with the devolved nations and the northern majors is getting the headlines but they’re also at war with London as well.

https://www.ft.com/content/fc7ad30a-a23b-49fc-a254-643ea6237ed2

hibsbollah

21-10-2020, 07:37 AM

The Tories, Test and trace and private sector contracts

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/government-covid-contracts-britain-nhs-corporate-executives-test-and-trace

Kato

21-10-2020, 07:49 AM

The Tories, Test and trace and private sector contracts

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/government-covid-contracts-britain-nhs-corporate-executives-test-and-traceWholesale theft of public funds right in front of our eyes. To be expected of course but doing it with the Test and Trace is turning their usual cronyism into manslaughter.

I'll repeat what I've said a few times above. You only exit lockdown when the Track/Trace/Test system is in place.

Instead of the thorough, stringent system we require we have a half-hearted collection of apps, a feint promise of faster testing and a bunch of braying clowns whose pockets are suddenly fatter.

I have a weird admiration of their shamelessness and a useless hope they'll spend sometime in stardy.

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JimBHibees

21-10-2020, 08:16 AM

Wholesale theft of public funds right in front of our eyes. To be expected of course but doing it with the Test and Trace is turning their usual cronyism into manslaughter.

I'll repeat what I've said a few times above. You only exit lockdown when the Track/Trace/Test system is in place.

Instead of the thorough, stringent system we require we have a half-hearted collection of apps, a feint promise of faster testing and a bunch of braying clowns whose pockets are suddenly fatter.

I have a weird admiration of their shamelessness and a useless hope they'll spend sometime in stardy.

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I am sure mass media outlets like the state broadcaster will be all over this scandal.

Kato

21-10-2020, 08:17 AM

I am sure mass media outlets like the state broadcaster will be all over this scandal.It'll never be off the telly.

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Bostonhibby

21-10-2020, 08:19 AM

It'll never be off the telly.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkWatching Laura Keunsberg fawning over Boris is like watching someone being savagely attacked by a sponge.

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lapsedhibee

21-10-2020, 08:28 AM

Watching Laura Keunsberg fawning over Boris is like watching someone being savagely attacked by a sponge.

Kuenssberg's too busy sticking pins into an Arcuri doll to do any proper journalism.

Bostonhibby

21-10-2020, 08:28 AM

Kuenssberg's too busy sticking pins into an Arcuri doll to do any proper journalism.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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Glory Lurker

21-10-2020, 08:29 AM

The Tories, Test and trace and private sector contracts

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/government-covid-contracts-britain-nhs-corporate-executives-test-and-trace

I would genuinely like to see someone (not necessarily here) counter that. I want to see what the arguments are in favour of these arrangements because at face value they are sickening.

Bostonhibby

21-10-2020, 08:31 AM

I would genuinely like to see someone (not necessarily here) counter that. I want to see what the arguments are in favour of these arrangements because at face value they are sickening.No accountability, like the many contracts dished out without tendering behind the smokescreen of Emergency powers the gang granted themselves very early on.

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hibsbollah

21-10-2020, 08:47 AM

No accountability, like the many contracts dished out without tendering behind the smokescreen of Emergency powers the gang granted themselves very early on.

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‘The head of Serco, Rupert Soames, is the grandson of Winston Churchill and the brother of a former Tory MP. His wife, Camilla, is a Conservative party donor (https://www.publictechnology.net/articles/news/shadow-minister-claims-government-%E2%80%98addicted%E2%80%99-outsourcing). An email of his, leaked in June, suggested that the coronavirus pandemic could go “a long way in cementing the position of (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/04/nhs-track-and-trace-system-not-expected-to-be-operating-fully-until-september-coronavirus)private sector (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/04/nhs-track-and-trace-system-not-expected-to-be-operating-fully-until-september-coronavirus) companies in the public sector supply chain”

Is that what is meant by ‘Churchillian rhetoric’ these days?

Bostonhibby

21-10-2020, 08:51 AM

‘The head of Serco, Rupert Soames, is the grandson of Winston Churchill and the brother of a former Tory MP. His wife, Camilla, is a Conservative party donor (https://www.publictechnology.net/articles/news/shadow-minister-claims-government-%E2%80%98addicted%E2%80%99-outsourcing). An email of his, leaked in June, suggested that the coronavirus pandemic could go “a long way in cementing the position of (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/04/nhs-track-and-trace-system-not-expected-to-be-operating-fully-until-september-coronavirus)private sector (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/04/nhs-track-and-trace-system-not-expected-to-be-operating-fully-until-september-coronavirus) companies in the public sector supply chain”

Is that what is meant by ‘Churchillian rhetoric’ these days?Chuchillian Rhetoric?

Will never fit on the side of a bus so won't catch on.

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marinello59

21-10-2020, 08:54 AM

No accountability, like the many contracts dished out without tendering behind the smokescreen of Emergency powers the gang granted themselves very early on.

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The smokescreen isn't the emergency powers, they are the means. This has been going on since day one of the crisis but the reaction on twitter etc has been pretty muted. The real outpourings of sustained outrage have been saved for the likes of Cummings going for a spin in his car. That's how you do a smokescreen. :greengrin

Bostonhibby

21-10-2020, 08:57 AM

The smokescreen isn't the emergency powers, they are the means. This has been going on since day one of the crisis but the reaction on twitter etc has been pretty muted. The real outpourings of sustained outrage have been saved for the likes of Cummings going for a spin in his car. That's how you do a smokescreen. :greengrinIndeed, Emergency powers crudely just kills scrutiny of contracts by parliament, or anybody else for that matter, at least until they are awarded and the cash starts flowing. The darker arts are the deflections and distractions.

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hibsbollah

21-10-2020, 09:36 AM

I would genuinely like to see someone (not necessarily here) counter that. I want to see what the arguments are in favour of these arrangements because at face value they are sickening.

You’ll be waiting a while, because no one is asking the questions. The Guardian lets the occasional Monbiot ‘opinion piece’ article out, but the front pages are on irrelevancies like whether Sheffield is getting a few quid less than Burnhams Manchester in hush money that has been swindled from the tax payers in the first place. Starmers ‘now is not the time’ is starting to sound like a stuck record. He’s asleep at the wheel. BBC News are the Tories call handlers. The facts are out there if you want to look but theres no effective scrutiny any more.

marinello59

21-10-2020, 09:44 AM

You’ll be waiting a while, because no one is asking the questions. The Guardian lets the occasional Monbiot ‘opinion piece’ article out, but the front pages are on irrelevancies like whether Sheffield is getting a few quid less than Burnhams Manchester in hush money that has been swindled from the tax payers in the first place. Starmers ‘now is not the time’ is starting to sound like a stuck record. He’s asleep at the wheel. BBC News are the Tories call handlers. The facts are out there if you want to look but theres no effective scrutiny any more.

Zarah Sultana hasn't exactly been quiet, I think she has gone with this several times in Parliament. I do agree, it's now time for Starmer to go in harder.

Keith_M

21-10-2020, 09:55 AM

hibsbollah

21-10-2020, 10:04 AM

Zarah Sultana hasn't exactly been quiet, I think she has gone with this several times in Parliament. I do agree, it's now time for Starmer to go in harder.

Yes, she’s fast becoming my favourite MP. Even she could go in even harder though, talk about the individual relationships that underpin Serco and Deloitte, not just the contract itself. Can’t be easy being a 26 year old first time MP in that environment and making so many enemies early on though.

Pretty Boy

21-10-2020, 10:17 AM

It's quite amusing perusing social media at the moment. There are people who get absolutely outraged by people claiming benefits on those Channel 5 poverty porn, poor shaming documentaries who seem totally cool with the public purse being robbed to the tune of literally billions.

It seems that Dave from Grimsby 'raking it in' is abhorrent but ferry contracts to companies with no ferries, PPE contracts to companies with a couple of hundred quid cash at bank, contracts worth millions to companies linked to advisors for apps that had to be scrapped and the odd billion here and there to Serco for a test and trace programme that has been an unmitigated failure is absolutely fine.

I've never really been much of a fan of the Tory party, to out it mildly, but I absolutely hate the current crop with every fibre of my being. They are detestable in every way. I think the only thing that angers me more is the apathy towards them from so many people.

marinello59

21-10-2020, 10:24 AM

Yes, she’s fast becoming my favourite MP. Even she could go in even harder though, talk about the individual relationships that underpin Serco and Deloitte, not just the contract itself. Can’t be easy being a 26 year old first time MP in that environment and making so many enemies early on though.

I think she will be just fine with making enemies. :greengrin

matty_f

21-10-2020, 11:02 AM

lapsedhibee

21-10-2020, 12:15 PM

Judging by Johnson's performance at PMQ today, the new deflection strategy is to blame everything on Sadiq Khan. Even Kuenssberg was fact checking a bit of that (result of check .... lie :shocked:).

Moulin Yarns

21-10-2020, 02:44 PM

https://www.facebook.com/612455383/posts/10164227627600384/

JeMeSouviens

21-10-2020, 02:55 PM

https://www.facebook.com/612455383/posts/10164227627600384/

Can't see as it's not public.

Moulin Yarns

21-10-2020, 03:04 PM

Can't see as it's not public.

Sorry, it's a photo of an information board at a London station pointing out the money wasted on test and trace, and ppe contracts then compares them to the request from Manchester for financial assistance, with the footnote

London stands with Manchester

Jack

21-10-2020, 03:17 PM

Sorry, it's a photo of an information board at a London station pointing out the money wasted on test and trace, and ppe contracts then compares them to the request from Manchester for financial assistance, with the footnote

London stands with Manchester
I can't see it either but is it the one (Have I Got News For You) basically saying Manchester had asked for the money equivalent to running a failed track and trace system for 14 minutes?

Peevemor

21-10-2020, 03:23 PM

Sorry, it's a photo of an information board at a London station pointing out the money wasted on test and trace, and ppe contracts then compares them to the request from Manchester for financial assistance, with the footnote

London stands with ManchesterThis one?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201021/502ceeb4dd50943818f57a0eb4273734.jpg

lapsedhibee

21-10-2020, 03:26 PM

This one?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201021/502ceeb4dd50943818f57a0eb4273734.jpg

Sadiq Khan's handwriting too :agree:

Moulin Yarns

21-10-2020, 03:30 PM

This one?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201021/502ceeb4dd50943818f57a0eb4273734.jpg

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Moulin Yarns

21-10-2020, 03:31 PM

George Monbiot

Probably the most concise comment so far on the revelations in my column today. https://t.co/ic2jfZmDKW

Pretty Boy

21-10-2020, 07:40 PM

I see the Tories voted against free school meals outside term time this evening.

Imagine going home and telling your family you chose to let children go hungry.

weecounty hibby

21-10-2020, 07:57 PM

I see the Tories voted against free school meals outside term time this evening.

Imagine going home and telling your family you chose to let children go hungry.
They don't give a ****. The only thing that would have made them vote in favour of that bill would have been if one of them or their pals could have made millions from it. They are disgusting human beings and anyone who voted for those sick should be taking a hard look at themselves and the folk who voted for them for the first time at the last election should know that they helped them to get into that position. There will be 1st time Tory voters in the North of England not getting paid, losing jobs whose kids won't get fed. What a sorry state of a country that they thought the Tories would help them.

Bristolhibby

21-10-2020, 08:06 PM

I see the Tories voted against free school meals outside term time this evening.

Imagine going home and telling your family you chose to let children go hungry.

As bad as it sounds could you imagine the impact of Marcus Rashford handed back his MBE. What a statement.

J

cabbageandribs1875

21-10-2020, 08:25 PM

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shame on them all

Glory Lurker

21-10-2020, 08:26 PM

Wow. Some of the Tory MPs' explanations for rejecting it are stomach churning.

BroxburnHibee

21-10-2020, 08:33 PM

Angela Rayner called it right.

****.

marinello59

21-10-2020, 08:35 PM

Angela Rayner called it right.

****.

Aye.
The real obscenity was voting against free meals for kids who will need them.

ronaldo7

21-10-2020, 08:37 PM

They don't give a ****. The only thing that would have made them vote in favour of that bill would have been if one of them or their pals could have made millions from it. They are disgusting human beings and anyone who voted for those sick should be taking a hard look at themselves and the folk who voted for them for the first time at the last election should know that they helped them to get into that position. There will be 1st time Tory voters in the North of England not getting paid, losing jobs whose kids won't get fed. What a sorry state of a country that they thought the Tories would help them.

It's just Tories being Tories. Whether they are small c conservatives, whatever that is, they're all the same. They voted the other night to remove child refugee protections from the immigration bill. Children being kept apart from their family.

They don't give a ****.

Future17

21-10-2020, 08:39 PM

Angela Rayner called it right.

****.

I see her comment was directed at Chris Clarkson, who was one of six Tory MPs who published an open letter to Andy Burnham criticising his ego and saying he should let local leaders decide on the negotiations with Government over Manchester. The problem? Local leaders did decide. :rolleyes:

gbhibby

21-10-2020, 08:44 PM

What is also a disgrace is the billions of pounds that has gone out to fictitious company's who applied for loans at the start of the pandemic. They also said that the self employment scheme was not going to be means tested, then introduced it and means tested it.

matty_f

21-10-2020, 08:46 PM

They’re despicable. I know there are Tory voters on here and each to their own and all that, but just how could you?

Callum_62

21-10-2020, 09:05 PM

They’re despicable. I know there are Tory voters on here and each to their own and all that, but just how could you?I actually genuinly don't understand how people with any moral compass support them

https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1318961774775894017?s=19

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Future17

21-10-2020, 09:11 PM

They’re despicable. I know there are Tory voters on here and each to their own and all that, but just how could you?

I actually genuinly don't understand how people with any moral compass support them

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Obviously everyone votes in their own self-interest, but my experience of those I know vote Tory is that they prioritise their own self-interest over anything and everything else.

weecounty hibby

21-10-2020, 09:13 PM

They’re despicable. I know there are Tory voters on here and each to their own and all that, but just how could you?

They'll justify it to themselves by saying that it's not their responsibility to look after other folks kids. ITs not their issue, they're ok so to duck with everyone else. There seems to be two types of Tory voters at the moment, one who has voted for them not because they think that society will be better but it's that they personally will be better off. And one who has voted for them for some kind of xenophobic dislike of everything foreign and well you know to get Brexit done. Sometimes they cross over and actually have both of these traits

Pretty Boy

21-10-2020, 09:13 PM

Nationalising children! Nationalising children!

I'm out. This is obviously some kind of Truman Show and we are all being trolled.

BroxburnHibee

21-10-2020, 09:17 PM

And tonight's ITV news hasn't mentioned it at all.

Go figure!

weecounty hibby

21-10-2020, 09:17 PM

Nationalising children! Nationalising children!

I'm out. This is obviously some kind of Truman Show and we are all being trolled.

Worse that that one of these ***** said today that he voted against because "children have been starving for years". I honestly didn't think I could despise them any more than I did but by Christ my hatred of them grows by the day. Scotland needs to get the **** out of here as soon as possible

hibsbollah

21-10-2020, 09:23 PM

They'll justify it to themselves by saying that it's not their responsibility to look after other folks kids. ITs not their issue, they're ok so to duck with everyone else. There seems to be two types of Tory voters at the moment, one who has voted for them not because they think that society will be better but it's that they personally will be better off. And one who has voted for them for some kind of xenophobic dislike of everything foreign and well you know to get Brexit done. Sometimes they cross over and actually have both of these traits

Well people who have these traits still amount to 41% of the voting UK public. Despite all the shameless ineptitude and corruption, some reported, some not, the worst Government of all time, shambling their way through a national crisis remains smugly ahead of the national opposition. I empathise with Angela Rayner, sometimes all there’s left to do is shout abuse.

1 8 7 5

21-10-2020, 09:23 PM

They’re despicable. I know there are Tory voters on here and each to their own and all that, but just how could you?

:agree::top marks
spot on matty_f

weecounty hibby

21-10-2020, 09:32 PM

Well people who have these traits still amount to 41% of the voting UK public. Despite all the shameless ineptitude and corruption, some reported, some not, the worst Government of all time, shambling their way through a national crisis remains smugly ahead of the national opposition. I empathise with Angela Rayner, sometimes all there’s left to do is shout abuse.
Absolutely, and it's why I said earlier in the thread that I just cannot understand what has gone on that these people think that this government is their best option

ronaldo7

21-10-2020, 09:33 PM

Scottish and Welsh governments have extended free school meals up to and including the Easter holidays. Then again, we don't vote tory.

Callum_62

21-10-2020, 09:38 PM

Scottish and Welsh governments have extended free school meals up to and including the Easter holidays. Then again, we don't vote tory.Politicising starving children

How very dare we

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Ozyhibby

21-10-2020, 09:44 PM

ronaldo7

21-10-2020, 09:46 PM

Politicising starving children

How very dare we

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Nationalizing them. 👍

hibsbollah

21-10-2020, 09:49 PM

Absolutely, and it's why I said earlier in the thread that I just cannot understand what has gone on that these people think that this government is their best option

:agree: Somethings broken.

bawheid

21-10-2020, 09:53 PM

It woz the Facebook wot won it.

Pretty Boy

21-10-2020, 09:54 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201021/bf0c8e0a8c286d69259dbf199e755b04.jpg

Ross tonight voted against free school meals for English kids. Every Scottish Tory mp did the same.
Thanks to the SNP, Scottish kids in their own constituencies will receive free school meals.

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Ross abstained, which is arguably even worse than voting against.

Not only is he complicit in the bill being voted down, he used it to try to further his own political ambitions as well. An opportunity to distance himself from London whilst still showing absolutely no social conscience whatsoever.

That's the behaviour of a proper ****.

ronaldo7

21-10-2020, 09:57 PM

Vicky Ford, the Children's minister, tonight voted against giving them free school meals.

marinello59

21-10-2020, 10:07 PM

Bostonhibby

21-10-2020, 10:09 PM

Ross abstained I think.So he didn't have an opinion on whether kids who can't afford to eat properly should be given a helping hand.

Top man.

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marinello59

21-10-2020, 10:09 PM

So he didn't have an opinion on whether kids who can't afford to eat properly should be given a helping hand.

Top man.

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Owen Thompson apparently abstained as well which seems odd.

ronaldo7

21-10-2020, 10:13 PM

Owen Thompson apparently abstained as well which seems odd.

I'm trying to find out why he abstained when all the rest of the SNP MPs voted for the motion.

Bostonhibby

21-10-2020, 10:14 PM

Owen Thompson apparently abstained as well which seems odd.When it comes down to it, they're politicians behaving as politicians do, putting their own ambition or agenda first.

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marinello59

21-10-2020, 10:16 PM

I'm trying to find out why he abstained when all the rest of the SNP MPs voted for the motion.

I actually think there’s an error with that one. It doesn’t fit in with anything he has said previously.

ronaldo7

21-10-2020, 10:23 PM

I actually think there’s an error with that one. It doesn’t fit in with anything he has said previously.

He's been speaking in parliament regarding keeping the £20 uplift on universal credit.

Can't see him abstaining on free school meals for bairns.

Rocky

21-10-2020, 10:25 PM

I actually think there’s an error with that one. It doesn’t fit in with anything he has said previously.

I'd guess he was paired

danhibees1875

22-10-2020, 07:57 AM

What a disgraceful outcome, if not overly surprising. Doubly so for Scottish and Welsh (if there were any) MPs who voted against it safe in the knowledge their own constituents wouldn't be affected.

Does anyone know how much would this would have cost?

lucky

22-10-2020, 08:01 AM

Bostonhibby

22-10-2020, 08:13 AM

This U.K. government are more out of touch than anyone could have imagined. Can’t agree deals with local mayors or the EU but unite to starve the poorest kids in society. I’m sure all those voters that voted for them to get brexit done must be delighted with outcome of their elected members behaviour.Child food snatchers.

3 word slogan and fits on the side of a bus. Even a few of Bozo's supporters might be able to identify with that.

Brexit was making us richer but unfortunately all the money seems to have been directed to shell companies with non existent ferries and PPE start ups who don't have to compete for the contracts.

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Ozyhibby

22-10-2020, 08:43 AM

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England is fine with all this though, so we’ll just need to accept it.

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lapsedhibee

22-10-2020, 08:47 AM

I’m sure all those voters that voted for them to get brexit done must be delighted with outcome of their elected members behaviour.
Plenty of people twittering their delight at the outcome of the vote.

weecounty hibby

22-10-2020, 08:48 AM

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England is fine with all this though, so we’ll just need to accept it.

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Saw that yesterday and was absolutely stunned. Get ready for another decade at least of Tory government. Unless of course Scotland takes matters into its own hands and votes for independence. Surely the time is now

marinello59

22-10-2020, 09:11 AM

Plenty of people twittering their delight at the outcome of the vote.

Twitter....the home of reasoned debate. :greengrin

Jones28

22-10-2020, 09:13 AM

James Obrien ripping the arse out of the Government on LBC at the moment if anyone's interested.

lapsedhibee

22-10-2020, 09:13 AM

Twitter....the home of reasoned debate. :greengrin

It's the only chance for the oppressed silent majority to be heard. :agree:

Moulin Yarns

22-10-2020, 10:15 AM

She should just admit she joined the wrong party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54642788

marinello59

22-10-2020, 10:20 AM

He's been speaking in parliament regarding keeping the £20 uplift on universal credit.

Can't see him abstaining on free school meals for bairns.

Mystery solved, he was called away to deal with personal family issues. He had fully intended to back the motion.

danhibees1875

22-10-2020, 10:57 AM

She should just admit she joined the wrong party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54642788

Fair play to her for acting regardless. Does that mean she sits as an independent rather than losing her seat entirely?

danhibees1875

22-10-2020, 11:05 AM

Plenty of people twittering their delight at the outcome of the vote.

Probably the same people who'll happily talk about how "charity starts at home" when discussing international aid etc.

SHODAN

22-10-2020, 11:13 AM

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England is fine with all this though, so we’ll just need to accept it.

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This must be an error, surely? Liberals and centrists were absolutely certain that "anyone but Corbyn" would be at least 20 points ahead by now.

marinello59

22-10-2020, 11:24 AM

This must be an error, surely? Liberals and centrists were absolutely certain that "anyone but Corbyn" would be at least 20 points ahead by now.

It's less than a year since the Tories won the election by a fairly wide margin. Given the scale of the defeat Labour were looking at taking at least two election cycles to offer a real challenge to the Tories. If they keep improving as they have been doing then the next election will be a lot closer than anybody would have thought even a few months ago. The fallout from the shambolic handling of the Covid crisis alone is going to see votes shifting in huge numbers.
Starmer continues to impress and Burnham's stand will have gone a long way to rebuilding the red wall. Keep watching the polls, they are only going to go one way for the foreseeable future.

marinello59

22-10-2020, 11:25 AM

Fair play to her for acting regardless. Does that mean she sits as an independent rather than losing her seat entirely?

She continues as a Tory MP, she has not had the whip removed.

danhibees1875

22-10-2020, 11:28 AM

She continues as a Tory MP, she has not had the whip removed.

So what has she quit? :confused:

Moulin Yarns

22-10-2020, 11:31 AM

So what has she quit? :confused:

According to the BBC article I posted earlier, she has quit her job at DEFRA

marinello59

22-10-2020, 11:31 AM

So what has she quit? :confused:

Her Government post. She was a PPS at the Department of the Environment.

danhibees1875

22-10-2020, 11:47 AM

According to the BBC article I posted earlier, she has quit her job at DEFRA

Her Government post. She was a PPS at the Department of the Environment.

Thanks. I'd not read that paragraph originally, I thought the article had moved on from discussing her by then.

Moulin Yarns

22-10-2020, 11:48 AM

Thanks. I'd not read that paragraph originally, I thought the article had moved on from discussing her by then.

It did kind of jump about. 👍

JeMeSouviens

22-10-2020, 11:54 AM

This must be an error, surely? Liberals and centrists were absolutely certain that "anyone but Corbyn" would be at least 20 points ahead by now.

It's never a good idea to go too wild about 1 poll. Look at the trends ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_genera l_election_after_2019_%28LOESS%29.svg

marinello59

22-10-2020, 11:57 AM

It's never a good idea to go too wild about 1 poll. Look at the trends ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_genera l_election_after_2019_%28LOESS%29.svg

Your chart says it so much better than my inane waffle managed to do. :greengrin

One Day Soon

22-10-2020, 01:01 PM

Your chart says it so much better than my inane waffle managed to do. :greengrin

I think the Tories are slow motion Donald Ducked already. Starmer is improving all the time, Covid is going to **** all overt the reputations of those in power for at least the next six months way worse than it has been in the first six and at the end of it all in three years time we'll have some Tory leader or other going back to the electorate offering the prospect of trying to deal with the Covid debt by raising taxes and cutting expenditure. They can kiss those Red Wall seats goodbye and a whole lot of other marginals and near marginals will be back in play.

With Brexit no longer a campaign issue I think Johnson or his successor will have a lot of explaining to do. Loving the long term polling trends.

Hibrandenburg

22-10-2020, 01:52 PM

Smartie

22-10-2020, 02:01 PM

I think the Tories are slow motion Donald Ducked already. Starmer is improving all the time, Covid is going to **** all overt the reputations of those in power for at least the next six months way worse than it has been in the first six and at the end of it all in three years time we'll have some Tory leader or other going back to the electorate offering the prospect of trying to deal with the Covid debt by raising taxes and cutting expenditure. They can kiss those Red Wall seats goodbye and a whole lot of other marginals and near marginals will be back in play.

With Brexit no longer a campaign issue I think Johnson or his successor will have a lot of explaining to do. Loving the long term polling trends.

Whilst I don't disagree with a word of this, that's not a lovely situation for anyone to inherit at that point, and the worst thing would be for there to be a short-lived unpopular Labour administration, the Tories cull who they need to and come back in to power to do what they do for another generation soon after.

I realise that I'm describing most of the rest of my life here, lots of years!

Bostonhibby

22-10-2020, 03:24 PM

Whilst I don't disagree with a word of this, that's not a lovely situation for anyone to inherit at that point, and the worst thing would be for there to be a short-lived unpopular Labour administration, the Tories cull who they need to and come back in to power to do what they do for another generation soon after.

I realise that I'm describing most of the rest of my life here, lots of years!If saying fantastic and fabulous frequently is enough to convince the electorate (and post Brexit I'm not saying it isn't) Bozo and Sunak's session today should ensure another landslide.

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SHODAN

22-10-2020, 03:40 PM

It's less than a year since the Tories won the election by a fairly wide margin. Given the scale of the defeat Labour were looking at taking at least two election cycles to offer a real challenge to the Tories. If they keep improving as they have been doing then the next election will be a lot closer than anybody would have thought even a few months ago. The fallout from the shambolic handling of the Covid crisis alone is going to see votes shifting in huge numbers.
Starmer continues to impress and Burnham's stand will have gone a long way to rebuilding the red wall. Keep watching the polls, they are only going to go one way for the foreseeable future.

Labour were ahead for the majority of 2010-15, often in double digits. Then the compliant media turned the screw and an avalanche of pro-Tory propaganda completely overturned that lead in a matter of months.

As long as these conditions remain we're going to have a Conservative government for decades. It's not going to change, until the voter demographics have shifted to the degree that boomers and Gen X can no longer swing an election.

cabbageandribs1875

22-10-2020, 09:32 PM

24061

she also thinks people with learning difficulties shouldn't have to be paid minimum wage, we are without a doubt witnessing the most evil crooked corrupt group of tories ever assembled in westminster.

calumhibee1

23-10-2020, 06:39 AM

calumhibee1

23-10-2020, 11:18 AM

Marcus Rashfords Twitter this morning helps to restore faith in humanity a bit.. even though it’s farcical that it’s come to struggling businesses to step up.

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 11:35 AM

Marcus Rashfords Twitter this morning helps to restore faith in humanity a bit.. even though it’s farcical that it’s come to struggling businesses to step up.

Doesn't it just? The guy is already a multi millionaire, has no need for the profile and his little to gain from it all and yet he's out in front doing what's right. And so are the businesses he is highlighting. It's an eternal fight between liberal and reactionary but this gives me faith that we will see the progressives in ascendancy again sooner or later.

The Tories in the Red Wall seats really have poured petrol on themselves and then lit matches on this stuff. Good.

Future17

23-10-2020, 12:03 PM

Marcus Rashfords Twitter this morning helps to restore faith in humanity a bit.. even though it’s farcical that it’s come to struggling businesses to step up.

Nothing should surprise me with Tories anymore, but the criticism of Rashford truly left me lost for words.

matty_f

23-10-2020, 12:04 PM

Doesn't it just? The guy is already a multi millionaire, has no need for the profile and his little to gain from it all and yet he's out in front doing what's right. And so are the businesses he is highlighting. It's an eternal fight between liberal and reactionary but this gives me faith that we will see the progressives in ascendancy again sooner or later.

The Tories in the Red Wall seats rally have poured petrol on themselves and then lit matches on this stuff. Good.
:agree:
Seeing Tories trying to have a go at him for "virtue signaling" is pathetic.

Pretty Boy

23-10-2020, 12:11 PM

:agree:
Seeing Tories trying to have a go at him for "virtue signaling" is pathetic.

The virtue signalling criticism doesn't even make sense.

He's both rallying other people to help and rolling up his sleeves and getting involved himself. He's not sitting about pontificating and waiting for someone else to do the job.

He's just a thoroughly decent person.

calumhibee1

23-10-2020, 12:29 PM

Nothing should surprise me with Tories anymore, but the criticism of Rashford truly left me lost for words.

I’ve not saw this - where about is being criticised?

Future17

23-10-2020, 12:36 PM

I’ve not saw this - where about is being criticised?

A few posters have touched on this above, but the main criticism seemed to be that he was "virtue-signalling". One of the reasons I was genuinely lost for words is that, as PB has said, it doesn't even make sense in this context.

hibsbollah

23-10-2020, 12:37 PM

I’ve not saw this - where about is being criticised?

Twitter criticism of him for being virtue signalling, ignorant, from MP Ben Bradley amongst others.

Keith_M

23-10-2020, 12:44 PM

She should just admit she joined the wrong party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54642788

Well done.

Keith_M

23-10-2020, 12:55 PM

Labour were ahead for the majority of 2010-15, often in double digits. Then the compliant media turned the screw and an avalanche of pro-Tory propaganda completely overturned that lead in a matter of months.

As long as these conditions remain we're going to have a Conservative government for decades. It's not going to change, until the voter demographics have shifted to the degree that boomers and Gen X can no longer swing an election.

They'll need a new catchphrase, as the Anti-Semitic slurs* they used on Corbyn aren't going to work this time.

* Interestingly enough, also used by the Guardian, who's policy is to never mention Corbyn in an article without using the phrase 'Anti-Semitic'.

Mr Grieves

23-10-2020, 01:49 PM

Marcus Rashfords Twitter this morning helps to restore faith in humanity a bit.. even though it’s farcical that it’s come to struggling businesses to step up.

:agree: Credit to Rashford and all the businesses\councils that are providing free lunches.

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 01:57 PM

Twitter criticism of him for being virtue signalling, ignorant, from MP Ben Bradley amongst others.

I predict Mr Ben Bradley is going to have a very short Westminster career. He certainly deserves it.

Bostonhibby

23-10-2020, 02:01 PM

Twitter criticism of him for being virtue signalling, ignorant, from MP Ben Bradley amongst others.It's because Rashford has demonstrated a humanity and genuine common touch which these b'strds often feign but occasionally the mask slips.

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hibsbollah

23-10-2020, 02:20 PM

I predict Mr Ben Bradley is going to have a very short Westminster career. He certainly deserves it.

‘Free school meals increase dependency culture’.
A dangerous extremist right there.

JeMeSouviens

23-10-2020, 02:29 PM

‘Free school meals increase dependency culture’.
A dangerous extremist right there.

Lovely guy. :rolleyes:

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/17/tory-mp-ben-bradley-said-benefit-claimants-sterilised-7235510/

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 03:04 PM

‘Free school meals increase dependency culture’.
A dangerous extremist right there.

I regard him as more of a village idiot than a dangerous extremist. Unless we mean he is extremely dangerous to the prospects of his own parliamentary career. Conservative Central Office candidate vetting has a lot to answer for. Mind you, so do most parties.

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 03:07 PM

Lovely guy. :rolleyes:

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/17/tory-mp-ben-bradley-said-benefit-claimants-sterilised-7235510/

What happens when your archetypal geezer knee jerk right-wing nonentity gets into elected office? This. This is what happens.

bawheid

23-10-2020, 03:31 PM

What happens when your archetypal geezer knee jerk right-wing nonentity gets into elected office? This. This is what happens.

Yep, the problem is there’s a growing number of them, particularly in England. The more of them there are, the more of them get elected, and the more normalised their views become.

Maybe sterilisation is an option. :greengrin

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 03:45 PM

Yep, the problem is there’s a growing number of them, particularly in England. The more of them there are, the more of them get elected, and the more normalised their views become.

Maybe sterilisation is an option. :greengrin

Not sure we're exempt. It's not as if there haven't been suspensions of Scottish MPs and MSPs for various reasons...

Moulin Yarns

23-10-2020, 04:02 PM

It's because Rashford has demonstrated a humanity and genuine common touch which these b'strds often feign but occasionally the mask slips.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54657796

Yay!

bawheid

23-10-2020, 04:18 PM

Not sure we're exempt. It's not as if there haven't been suspensions of Scottish MPs and MSPs for various reasons...

Can’t recall any of them complaining about nationalising children or wanting folk sterilised, which is what I thought we were talking about.

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 04:20 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54657796

Yay!

The Tories seem to be determined to roll themselves in political **** and the smell of this one won't easily recede. Cummings isn't a genius he's a ****ing idiot who got lucky.

Prime Minister Starmer has a nice ring to it.

JimBHibees

23-10-2020, 04:25 PM

It's because Rashford has demonstrated a humanity and genuine common touch which these b'strds often feign but occasionally the mask slips.

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Nail on the head.

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 04:32 PM

Can’t recall any of them complaining about nationalising children or wanting folk sterilised, which is what I thought we were talking about.

Just pointing out that other political idiots are also available including Scottish ones from a range of political parties across a wide spectrum of themes.

Moulin Yarns

23-10-2020, 04:40 PM

The Tories seem to be determined to roll themselves in political **** and the smell of this one won't easily recede. Cummings isn't a genius he's a ****ing idiot who got lucky.

Prime Minister Starmer has a nice ring to it.

Unless the Prestwick debacle comes back to bite the labour party 😉

Glory Lurker

23-10-2020, 04:55 PM

Prime Minister Starmer has a nice ring to it.

No it definitely does not. It is not traditional to add the PM's surname after "Prime Minister". It is an Americanisation that should not be encouraged!

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 04:57 PM

Unless the Prestwick debacle comes back to bite the labour party 😉

I suspect parties which have been in Govt for the last 13 years - and especially leaders who have their fingerprints on both every action taken and every failure to act throughout that time - have more to fear on accountability than leaders who only entered parliament in 2015... :wink:

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 04:58 PM

No it definitely does not. It is not traditional to add the PM's surname after "Prime Minister". It is an Americanisation that should not be encouraged!

I stand corrected. That's what I get for re-watching the entire box set of the West Wing as my current pandemic escapism.

Glory Lurker

23-10-2020, 05:02 PM

I stand corrected. That's what I get for re-watching the entire box set of the West Wing as my current pandemic escapism.

:-) I'm just very sensitive to anything that undermines British tradition :-)

Moulin Yarns

23-10-2020, 05:03 PM

I suspect parties which have been in Govt for the last 13 years - and especially leaders who have their fingerprints on both every action taken and every failure to act throughout that time - have more to fear on accountability than leaders who only entered parliament in 2015... :wink:

How many times do current leaders apologise for the failings of their predecessors?

Answer, always.

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 05:27 PM

How many times do current leaders apologise for the failings of their predecessors?

Answer, always.

I'm really not sure that's right. Genuine question, has Sturgeon apologised for Salmond?

weecounty hibby

23-10-2020, 05:49 PM

Prime Minister Starmer has a nice ring to it.

I agree, hopefully by the time he is PM of england he will be able to work with the newly independent Scottish government to make the transition easy and to begin to work together as two friendly cooperative nations

One Day Soon

23-10-2020, 05:56 PM

I agree, hopefully by the time he is PM of england he will be able to work with the newly independent Scottish government to make the transition easy and to begin to work together as two friendly cooperative nations

Yeah, you don't get that if we go independent before the next UK election. You get a government beholden to a hostile, grumpy, sullen electorate with a point to prove about us breaking up the union and focussed entirely on rUK interests. See Brexit negotiations and consequences as a template.

Luckily it's highly unlikely there will be a second referendum before the next UK general election.

Glory Lurker

23-10-2020, 06:02 PM

Luckily it's highly unlikely there will be a second referendum before the next UK general election.

Why?

hibsbollah

23-10-2020, 06:09 PM

I regard him as more of a village idiot than a dangerous extremist. Unless we mean he is extremely dangerous to the prospects of his own parliamentary career. Conservative Central Office candidate vetting has a lot to answer for. Mind you, so do most parties.

Hes a proven liar on subjects as diverse as Corbyn and communist spies and Indian call centres, with a record of Islamophobia and support for sterilizing chavs, but with a 16,000 majority he’s in the same safe seat bracket as Ian Murray. And equally as likely to get into a Union Jack suit, strangely. So, yes, you can call him an idiot if you want, but he’s undoubtedly dangerous, as are many of the new intake.

weecounty hibby

23-10-2020, 06:50 PM

Yeah, you don't get that if we go independent before the next UK election. You get a government beholden to a hostile, grumpy, sullen electorate with a point to prove about us breaking up the union and focussed entirely on rUK interests. See Brexit negotiations and consequences as a template.

Luckily it's highly unlikely there will be a second referendum before the next UK general election.

Yeah, it was a bit tongue in cheek, there is no chance of a Labour PM anytime soon.

Pretty Boy

23-10-2020, 07:46 PM

Moulin Yarns

23-10-2020, 08:58 PM

I'm really not sure that's right. Genuine question, has Sturgeon apologised for Salmond?

What has Alex Salmond done that you think he failed in parliament?

Genuine question.

Mr Grieves

24-10-2020, 12:46 PM

This Ben Bradley chap increasingly seems a really great guy:

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-suggests-free-school-meals-vouchers-effectively-go-to-crack-dens-and-brothels_uk_5f931b2bc5b6481d48fd2961?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK1D_5P1dqmnkHgczgkWpNMHodgW Pm-dv6R-5qKv7a1Q3NImTPY2WtB87QTqV-2xPCiaJrVlHLlSl-sDhp4GgAo_WBUlcdHrlpzMJv10ITiBSFCFdOXGRLUDOa-RMroGRKnw7NhNGLYfB-I-qqgy-HmssBjoSWyifVAvb59EbBQs

Another nice Tory mp, claiming food parcels are exchanged for drugs.
https://twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp/status/1319723319566962690?s=19

And this lovely Tory mp criticising businesses for providing free meals.
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1319958076359954433?s=19

marinello59

24-10-2020, 12:48 PM

The heart warming UK wide reaction to Rashford's campaign from businesses, councils and the general population says more about the real attitudes of the British people than any Tory MP ever could. Never forget that the majority of the electorate did not vote for them. There is hope moving forward.

matty_f

24-10-2020, 01:12 PM

hibsbollah

24-10-2020, 01:13 PM

Another nice Tory mp, claiming food parcels are exchanged for drugs.
https://twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp/status/1319723319566962690?s=19

And this lovely Tory mp criticising businesses for providing free meals.
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1319958076359954433?s=19

Im loving the standard responses when these ****ers get busted, they say the tweet has been ‘taken out of all context’. If it’s so contextually ok, why do they always delete the tweet immediately after being pulled up for it?

Hibrandenburg

24-10-2020, 03:29 PM

McGinn should have done better with that.

weecounty hibby

24-10-2020, 03:39 PM

McGinn should have done better with that.
McGinn is a Tory???😱😱😱

Moulin Yarns

24-10-2020, 03:39 PM

McGinn should have done better with that.

Aye, see those folk on the right :wink:

Hibrandenburg

24-10-2020, 04:13 PM

McGinn is a Tory???😱😱😱

Ha ha, what a dithering old twat. Posted on the wrong thread. Was wondering where my post went on the matchday thread. :faf:

Hibrandenburg

24-10-2020, 04:13 PM

Aye, see those folk on the right :wink:

:greengrin:

Hibrandenburg

24-10-2020, 04:16 PM

That second one. What a ****.

"Starve a kid, save a Quid".

Moulin Yarns

24-10-2020, 04:58 PM

The bootstrap cook

I see a load of sentient hams on here think they can do my job today, cobbling together and costing an omelette. Pity they left out the price of rent, gas, a cooker, a pan, oil, salt, pepper, plates, lighting, the mental health cost of self care, and a ****ing knife and fork.

One Day Soon

24-10-2020, 06:52 PM

What has Alex Salmond done that you think he failed in parliament?

Genuine question.

I think you know I was referring to Salmond's lawyer's description, during the court case, of his behaviour. You said all leaders apologise for their predecessors so has Sturgeon apologised for Salmond's behaviour? She may have done so, I never paid that much attention to the trial at the time or the comments afterwards. If she didn't it supports my case that Starmer really won't be held to account for anything in Labour pre-2015 before he was elected. If she did, I'll need to find a new example...

Pedantic_Hibee

24-10-2020, 07:27 PM

I stand corrected. That's what I get for re-watching the entire box set of the West Wing as my current pandemic escapism.

I’m still tempted to buy the box set again (an ex won that in the custody battle). Greatest series of all time.

Moulin Yarns

24-10-2020, 09:05 PM

I think you know I was referring to Salmond's lawyer's description, during the court case, of his behaviour. You said all leaders apologise for their predecessors so has Sturgeon apologised for Salmond's behaviour? She may have done so, I never paid that much attention to the trial at the time or the comments afterwards. If she didn't it supports my case that Starmer really won't be held to account for anything in Labour pre-2015 before he was elected. If she did, I'll need to find a new example...

Alex Salmond didn't do anything wrong, in parliament, therefore no apology required.

Tony Blair and Iraq on the other hand! Still looking for the WMD

One Day Soon

24-10-2020, 09:11 PM

Alex Salmond didn't do anything wrong, in parliament, therefore no apology required.

Tony Blair and Iraq on the other hand! Still looking for the WMD

Evasion and whataboutery. Righto.

"Alex Salmond didn't do anything wrong"...

Moulin Yarns

24-10-2020, 09:14 PM

Evasion and whataboutery. Righto.

"Alex Salmond didn't do anything wrong"...

In parliament. Get it right. How can anyone be expected to apologise for another persons behaviour in private?

A party leader has to apologise for the actions of their predecessors in parliament, not outside, otherwise the next tory leader will be awfy busy.

Future17

24-10-2020, 09:17 PM

I think you know I was referring to Salmond's lawyer's description, during the court case, of his behaviour. You said all leaders apologise for their predecessors so has Sturgeon apologised for Salmond's behaviour? She may have done so, I never paid that much attention to the trial at the time or the comments afterwards. If she didn't it supports my case that Starmer really won't be held to account for anything in Labour pre-2015 before he was elected. If she did, I'll need to find a new example...

It would be highly inappropriate for Sturgeon to apologise for anything Samond did based on what his advocate said, particularly given he wasn't convicted.

CapitalGreen

24-10-2020, 09:53 PM

Evasion and whataboutery. Righto.

"Alex Salmond didn't do anything wrong"...

Is it not slightly rich to now accuse someone else of whataboutery when it was your fine self who brought up Sturgeon/Salmond as a response to someone suggesting Starmer should apologise for Blair?

Smartie

24-10-2020, 10:04 PM

Glory Lurker

24-10-2020, 10:09 PM

To get things back on track - huuuuge boos for the Tories.

hibsbollah

24-10-2020, 10:26 PM

To get things back on track - huuuuge boos for the Tories.

Awww, I was really enjoying the repetitive nat yoon takeover :rolleyes:

hibsbollah

24-10-2020, 10:27 PM

stokesmessiah

24-10-2020, 11:26 PM

I see the tories have dropped the salary cap from 35k to 25k for migrant workers. Some of the threads I have seen on FB are hilarious with Tory voters shocked and indignant at the prospect.

BroxburnHibee

25-10-2020, 05:25 AM

I’m still tempted to buy the box set again (an ex won that in the custody battle). Greatest series of all time.

If you can suffer the adverts then all 7 series are on All4.

Moulin Yarns

25-10-2020, 08:51 AM

hibsbollah

25-10-2020, 08:57 AM

Moulin Yarns

25-10-2020, 09:00 AM

That’s exactly what she hasn’t done.
Rennie doing his best ‘straw man’.

I know. Incredible!

Just Alf

25-10-2020, 09:06 AM

https://news.stv.tv/politics/no-place-for-anti-english-rhetoric-over-handling-of-pandemic

I see Willie Rennie is going full tory (or is it Labour) in his accusations that the first minister has blamed English people for the second wave of coronavirus, even though she said nothing of the sort.He really is coming across like he hates Sturgeon, I've noticed he comes out with stuff like that on a fairly regular basis. In the discussion Sturgeon also included the fact people in Scottish areas also shouldn't travel, including to low infection areas within England. Don't know how trying to protect English folks is anti-English.

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Ozyhibby

25-10-2020, 12:00 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201025/11d2a73d44acdebab3245194887f4186.jpg

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Glory Lurker

25-10-2020, 12:14 PM

He really is coming across like he hates Sturgeon, I've noticed he comes out with stuff like that on a fairly regular basis. In the discussion Sturgeon also included the fact people in Scottish areas also shouldn't travel, including to low infection areas within England. Don't know how trying to protect English folks is anti-English.

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He’s trying to win some of the WATP Tory vote. They’ll not pick up votes from anywhere else.

Edit: Now that’s how you go off-topic but rein it back in!

Moulin Yarns

25-10-2020, 02:40 PM

Empty plates left outside the local Tory HQ and Con Club after Southend West MP voted against feeding children most at risk of going hungry. @BorisJohnson https://t.co/zQcN3ufF0s

marinello59

25-10-2020, 02:49 PM

Empty plates left outside the local Tory HQ and Con Club after Southend West MP voted against feeding children most at risk of going hungry. @BorisJohnson https://t.co/zQcN3ufF0s

Keir Starmer has said Labour will force another vote on this before Xmas. I think there will be a Tory u-turn before that happens.

Bostonhibby

25-10-2020, 02:52 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201025/11d2a73d44acdebab3245194887f4186.jpg

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAll that and a smug self satisfied look. People voted for this...........

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Callum_62

25-10-2020, 02:56 PM

This thread has been surpringly void of the few tory voters that frequent this site

Too embaressed?

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hibsbollah

25-10-2020, 03:14 PM

Bostonhibby

25-10-2020, 04:14 PM

I’ve just heard a Tory MP, Tim Naughton I think, ex children’s minister, say they’ve given ‘213 Billion pounds’ to help feed schoolchildren :dunno: This figure hasn’t been challenged by the interviewer. He repeated the figure throughout the interview three times, clearly been briefed to parrot big meaningless numbers. In need of a fact check.Think he's just mixing up his billion pound beneficiaries.

It'll be their pals in the Track & Trace industry and all the ones who've been awarded PPE contracts without any scrutiny that will have had the £213bn given.

Easy mistake to make.

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Bostonhibby

25-10-2020, 04:17 PM

This'll fit on the side of a bushttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201025/a687448653ea219087a40962e9cd8a2c.jpg

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One Day Soon

25-10-2020, 05:20 PM

He’s trying to win some of the WATP Tory vote. They’ll not pick up votes from anywhere else.

Edit: Now that’s how you go off-topic but rein it back in!

His response wasn't particularly subtle but perhaps he meant it not to be. All politicians know how to dog whistle and Sturgeon was doing the same thing here, she's extremely good at it. He's a muppet for diving into the obvious response with both feet.

Ben Bradley is just far less subtle and far less accomplished at his version of it. He's not a serious threat, he's a clown who has managed to do almost as much damage to the Tories this week as Marcus Rashford.

G B Young

25-10-2020, 06:58 PM

Keir Starmer has said Labour will force another vote on this before Xmas. I think there will be a Tory u-turn before that happens.

Out of interest does anyone know how the free school meals system works in England (and Wales and NI) during 'normal' times? In the main it's just for kids in primary 1-3 in Scotland. Does it extend further elsewhere or is it largely the same age group?

Having been into my own kids' primary school on more than one occasion as part of a parents in school day, which included eating lunch with the kids, I'd say the quality of the meals on offer ranges from near inedible (cold, unsalted macaroni!!) to very tasty (good pizzas and sausages).

Smartie

25-10-2020, 07:54 PM

His response wasn't particularly subtle but perhaps he meant it not to be. All politicians know how to dog whistle and Sturgeon was doing the same thing here, she's extremely good at it. He's a muppet for diving into the obvious response with both feet.

Ben Bradley is just far less subtle and far less accomplished at his version of it. He's not a serious threat, he's a clown who has managed to do almost as much damage to the Tories this week as Marcus Rashford.

Behave yourself.

You make many thought-provoking and valid points relating to the independence debate.

This isn’t one.

Much as you want it to be true, it just isn’t.

Callum_62

25-10-2020, 07:55 PM

Out of interest does anyone know how the free school meals system works in England (and Wales and NI) during 'normal' times? In the main it's just for kids in primary 1-3 in Scotland. Does it extend further elsewhere or is it largely the same age group?

Having been into my own kids' primary school on more than one occasion as part of a parents in school day, which included eating lunch with the kids, I'd say the quality of the meals on offer ranges from near inedible (cold, unsalted macaroni!!) to very tasty (good pizzas and sausages).https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/free-school-meals

My wee one in the main lovee her school dinners

The menu choice compared to my time at PS is night and day

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G B Young

25-10-2020, 08:51 PM

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/free-school-meals

My wee one in the main lovee her school dinners

The menu choice compared to my time at PS is night and day

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I'd agree with that. I quite often ate next to nothing at primary school as the food was so disgusting.

Future17

26-10-2020, 09:53 AM

Hancock was asked this morning if Johnson had replied to Rashford's recent letter - Hancock said there had been "communication" between the two. It's now been confirmed that the last such communication from Johnson to Rashford was in June.

Why not just say "I don't know"?!? It's not as though folk wouldn't accept that, as Health Secretary, he might have other priorities. It's like some of them have an addiction to deceit; having spent so much time lying, they've forgotten how to tell the truth.

lapsedhibee

26-10-2020, 10:02 AM

One Day Soon

26-10-2020, 01:26 PM

Behave yourself.

You make many thought-provoking and valid points relating to the independence debate.

This isn’t one.

Much as you want it to be true, it just isn’t.

You're kidding yourself. She is an excellent communicator and she doesn't say anything accidentally. It was actually worded precisely to allow different people to take from it what they wanted. That's what a dog whistle is.

She said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels across borders very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel across the UK and internationally so border control I think is an important consideration here"

She could have said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel within Scotland, across the UK and internationally so travel control I think is an important consideration here"

If I want to hear the UK bit then that's what I hear. If I want to hear the international bit then I hear that. Her implication with the rUK part is not in this instance anti-English, it is that the RUK (Johnson and his Govt) let us down or we might have beaten it.

weecounty hibby

26-10-2020, 02:18 PM

[QUOTE=One Day Soon;6337593]You're kidding yourself. She is an excellent communicator and she doesn't say anything accidentally. It was actually worded precisely to allow different people to take from it what they wanted. That's what a dog whistle is.

She said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels across borders very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel across the UK and internationally so border control I think is an important consideration here"

She could have said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel within Scotland, across the UK and internationally so travel control I think is an important consideration here"

If I want to hear the UK bit then that's what I hear. If I want to hear the international bit then I hear that. Her implication with the rUK part is not in this instance anti-English, it is that the RUK (Johnson and his Govt) let us down or we might have beaten it.

So to be clear then you think she is right in what she said? That the virus has spread from across the UK and abroad. But as you are at pains to point out at every given opportunity, Scotland is part of the UK. She is 100% correct, border control, both ways, could have prevented further spread. Unfortunately border control was out with the Scottish government remit.

The only dog whistling I see here is from you. As you pointed out, if you want to hear the rUK bit you will, and that is exactly what you have CHOSEN to do

CapitalGreen

26-10-2020, 02:18 PM

You're kidding yourself. She is an excellent communicator and she doesn't say anything accidentally. It was actually worded precisely to allow different people to take from it what they wanted. That's what a dog whistle is.

She said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels across borders very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel across the UK and internationally so border control I think is an important consideration here"

She could have said this: "This is a virus that obviously travels very easily and I suspect over the summer we did get very close to elimination in Scotland and then, not entirely, but we’ve reseeded it from travel within Scotland, across the UK and internationally so travel control I think is an important consideration here"

If I want to hear the UK bit then that's what I hear. If I want to hear the international bit then I hear that. Her implication with the rUK part is not in this instance anti-English, it is that the RUK (Johnson and his Govt) let us down or we might have beaten it.

What you have described in your final paragraph is confirmation bias on the part of the those listening rather than dog-whistling on the part of the person talking.

lapsedhibee

27-10-2020, 01:17 PM

https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/1321042243441098753

Ross taking the moral high ground :faf:

Future17

27-10-2020, 01:38 PM

https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/1321042243441098753

Ross taking the moral high ground :faf:

Aside from the politics, some of it doesn't even make sense.

Re: the first paragraph, what is he suggesting he would do (if not hope to get the decisions right and "let them do their thing") if they weren't playing well?!? Does he start coaching them? Sub them off? :confused:

Callum_62

27-10-2020, 01:49 PM

Nasty SNP not providing free meals too all pupils

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JeMeSouviens

27-10-2020, 02:09 PM

https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/1321042243441098753

Ross taking the moral high ground :faf:

FFS.

"It's been reported that some of our other MPs did take part". It's a matter of record that all your MPs not only took part, but voted against it. :rolleyes:

Lying ******* with an unmarkable brass neck.

lapsedhibee

27-10-2020, 02:50 PM

Aside from the politics, some of it doesn't even make sense.

Re: the first paragraph, what is he suggesting he would do (if not hope to get the decisions right and "let them do their thing") if they weren't playing well?!? Does he start coaching them? Sub them off? :confused:

:agree: I took it to imply that in the presence of great players he could stand back and just try to officiate the game. But in their absence perhaps it was incumbent on him to become the star of the show. :clown:

Hibrandenburg

27-10-2020, 05:43 PM

Just watched Scottish Questions. Corona really is a wet dream for opposition politics. They can moan about absolutely everything without having to solve anything themselves. One Tory even had the brass neck to criticise the Scottish government's lack of finacial support towards business and the lack of Scottish investment in a vaccine. Where do they find these clowns?

Pedantic_Hibee

27-10-2020, 06:01 PM

If you can suffer the adverts then all 7 series are on All4.

You are a prince amongst men.

Kato

27-10-2020, 09:11 PM

Where do they find these clowns?

Scotland.

Keith_M

28-10-2020, 09:46 AM

FFS.

"It's been reported that some of our other MPs did take part". It's a matter of record that all your MPs not only took part, but voted against it. :rolleyes:

Lying ******* with an unmarkable brass neck.

He's a weasel.

hibsbollah

28-10-2020, 08:14 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/oct/27/david-squires-on-marcus-rashford-boris-johnson-school-meals

Pretty Boy

28-10-2020, 08:20 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/oct/27/david-squires-on-marcus-rashford-boris-johnson-school-meals

I saw that yesterday, it's brilliantly done.

Squires can be a bit hit or miss but he nails it there.

Future17

28-10-2020, 09:21 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54718306

They just can't help themselves.

hibsbollah

28-10-2020, 09:48 PM

I saw that yesterday, it's brilliantly done.

Squires can be a bit hit or miss but he nails it there.

‘Running the country like he’s Springfields Sanitation Commissioner...’

danhibees1875

29-10-2020, 07:06 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54718306

They just can't help themselves.

It sounds like they've accidentally got it right with that one:

"Amoy, owned by Heinz, has 58% of the £29m market according to research company Euromonitor International. Its soy sauce is made in China and bottled in the UK so the UK-Japan deal will have no impact. But the tariff payable on soy sauce imported from China will come down slightly from the 7.7% it was as part of the EU to the UK's new rate of 6%."

lapsedhibee

29-10-2020, 07:15 AM

It sounds like they've accidentally got it right with that one:

"Amoy, owned by Heinz, has 58% of the £29m market according to research company Euromonitor International. Its soy sauce is made in China and bottled in the UK so the UK-Japan deal will have no impact. But the tariff payable on soy sauce imported from China will come down slightly from the 7.7% it was as part of the EU to the UK's new rate of 6%."

Alternative fact:
"the leading brand of soy sauce sold in the UK, Kikkoman, produces its sauce for the British market in the Netherlands. This mean the product could get more expensive in the event of a no-deal Brexit"

danhibees1875

29-10-2020, 07:50 AM

Alternative fact:
"the leading brand of soy sauce sold in the UK, Kikkoman, produces its sauce for the British market in the Netherlands. This mean the product could get more expensive in the event of a no-deal Brexit"

I've just checked my bottle - it's from China. :greengrin

lapsedhibee

29-10-2020, 07:56 AM

I've just checked my bottle - it's from China. :greengrin

Does it say on it if it's the leading brand though? :hmmm:

Bostonhibby

29-10-2020, 07:56 AM

It sounds like they've accidentally got it right with that one:

"Amoy, owned by Heinz, has 58% of the £29m market according to research company Euromonitor International. Its soy sauce is made in China and bottled in the UK so the UK-Japan deal will have no impact. But the tariff payable on soy sauce imported from China will come down slightly from the 7.7% it was as part of the EU to the UK's new rate of 6%."Cue Gove all over the media claiming that getting the UK a 1.7% reduction in the price of a weird "foreign" sauce was always the real motivation behind Brexit.

That'll teach those French a lesson, especially if we can afford to buy anything to pour it on.

Got sauce done.

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lapsedhibee

29-10-2020, 07:59 AM

Cue Gove all over the media claiming that getting the UK a 1.7% reduction in the price of a weird "foreign" sauce was always the real motivation behind Brexit.

No way he'll be saying that. He'll be claiming it's (gone down from 7.7 to 6 which is) a 22% reduction in somethingorother.

danhibees1875

29-10-2020, 08:08 AM

Does it say on it if it's the leading brand though? :hmmm:

It claims to be - a or the - "leading authentic Chinese soy sauce brand". :dunno:

Apparently it's also meant to be in the fridge after opening too! The things you learn when you just wanted an early morning dose of Tory nonsense...

Bostonhibby

29-10-2020, 08:16 AM

No way he'll be saying that. He'll be claiming it's (gone down from 7.7 to 6 which is) a 22% reduction in somethingorother.Or they could get Matt Hancock to do the numbers, a 50% gain for the Unified Kingdong.

There'll be Bluebells over the white crofts of Dover by Christmas as we sail into to the land of subsidy free UK milk and Polish honey labelled with the British tractor label.

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lapsedhibee

29-10-2020, 08:35 AM

Who's a naughty Tory?

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1321724004923662336

One Day Soon

29-10-2020, 09:13 AM

Who's a naughty Tory?

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1321724004923662336

Good work there by the fox beater. I regard these people as hijackers of the Conservative Party and I confidently believe two things about all this. 1. It will result in a Starmer government eventually and 2. A number of people currently making or influencing decisions are going to end up before one form or another of the Beak.

Moulin Yarns

29-10-2020, 09:18 AM

Good work there by the fox beater. I regard these people as hijackers of the Conservative Party and I confidently believe two things about all this. 1. It will result in a Starmer government eventually and 2. A number of people currently making or influencing decisions are going to end up before one form or another of the Beak.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

Are you sure Starmer will be the prime minister anytime soon?

One Day Soon

29-10-2020, 09:36 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

Are you sure Starmer will be the prime minister anytime soon?

Soon, no. It's three years until the next election. Addressing this comprehensively would be a good next step on that journey.

SHODAN

29-10-2020, 09:38 AM

Good work there by the fox beater. I regard these people as hijackers of the Conservative Party and I confidently believe two things about all this. 1. It will result in a Starmer government eventually and 2. A number of people currently making or influencing decisions are going to end up before one form or another of the Beak.

There will be an avalanche of anti-Starmer "REVELATIONS" and "BETRAYALS" from the "impartial, balanced" UK media in the month before the election which will wipe out his lead and give Johnson/Sunak/whoever an "unprecedented" majority ala 2015. Hopefully we won't be voting in it.

One Day Soon

29-10-2020, 09:47 AM

There will be an avalanche of anti-Starmer "REVELATIONS" and "BETRAYALS" from the "impartial, balanced" UK media in the month before the election which will wipe out his lead and give Johnson/Sunak/whoever an "unprecedented" majority ala 2015. Hopefully we won't be voting in it.

The traditional media is much weaker as a leader of public political opinion than it used to be and they didn't stop Labour from beating a tired, discredited and divided Tory Party in 1999. And this supposedly influential media has in Scotland (where nationalists would have you believe it is pretty much uniformly hostile to independence) failed to wipe out SNP leads in the month before recent elections. I like my chances on this one and hopefully we will still be fully involved in it.

Keith_M

29-10-2020, 09:52 AM

Who's a naughty Tory?

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1321724004923662336

I expect full details of this to be reported on every news channel and newspaper.

I also believe in the tooth fairy.

weecounty hibby

29-10-2020, 11:57 AM

The traditional media is much weaker as a leader of public political opinion than it used to be and they didn't stop Labour from beating a tired, discredited and divided Tory Party in 1999. And this supposedly influential media has in Scotland (where nationalists would have you believe it is pretty much uniformly hostile to independence) failed to wipe out SNP leads in the month before recent elections. I like my chances on this one and hopefully we will still be fully involved in it.
That self same media had jumped on the Blair bandwagon and were very supportive of Labour. That is one of the main reasons why Labour beat the Tories. Alistair Campbell was an absolute master of spin and getting the media onboard with the Blair/new Labour project.

Pretty Boy

29-10-2020, 12:14 PM

That self same media had jumped on the Blair bandwagon and were very supportive of Labour. That is one of the main reasons why Labour beat the Tories. Alistair Campbell was an absolute master of spin and getting the media onboard with the Blair/new Labour project.

The world had changed massively since Blair rose to prominence though. Blair was meeting with Murdoch on his yacht in 1995 and beginning the process of gaining his media empire endorsement (which finally came in early 97). Even by the latter stages of the Blair premiership only 67% of households had a home computer, in 1997 that was 27% and today it's 88%. Twitter and Facebook didn't appear until the last nails were being hammered in the Blairism coffin.

There is little doubt that the ability of the Blair administration to manage the press was a huge factor in their success. Is it as relevant now? Almost half of adults state they get their news from social media now, that wasn't a thing for most of the Blair era. Print media is a news source for only 38% of adults now albeit that rises when combined with their online offering.

Controlling the traditional media is still important but far less so than it was even 15 years ago. The murky world of social media is increasingly important; Cambridge Analytica and the like should be living proof of that to all of us.