Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[Hibrandenburg]

Up there with frankie boyles one of gove :greengrin

Jinx!!!! I was thinking exactly the same.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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:hmmm: it's almost like they sing from the same tory hymn sheet

[Ozyhibby]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Johnson putting another vile right-wing Tory **** at the top

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[Stairway 2 7]

Johnson putting another vile right-wing Tory **** at the top

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That's unbelievable well it isn't actually

[Future17]

According to Michelle Donelan, quarantining all arrivals into the UK wouldn't be as effective as only quarantining some.

Not sure how she's worked that out.

[lapsedhibee]

Just watching Johnson at PMQs just now, barely being able to string a coherent sentence together, and wondering again what's the appeal? Is it just his racism and xenophobia that continues to get him inordinately high approval ratings, or is there something more? :dunno:

[One Day Soon]

Just watching Johnson at PMQs just now, barely being able to string a coherent sentence together, and wondering again what's the appeal? Is it just his racism and xenophobia that continues to get him inordinately high approval ratings, or is there something more? :dunno:


He wrapped himself in a flag that wasn't the one with gold stars on a blue background and then rode the nativism all the way to the finish line. His internal opponents thought he was too preposterous to win the leadership and his external opponents failed to grasp the seismic shift in politics taking place beneath their feet. Like Trump, an accident of time, chance and circumstance allied to weaponised ambition and ego. The power of 'othering' is phenomenal in this age. Let's hope Macron isn't taken out by it next year.

[MartinfaePorty]

Hope everyone's got 'Scottish Nationalist Party' in the Boris PMQs bingo. Speaker not giving a toss as usual.

[hibsbollah]

He wrapped himself in a flag that wasn't the one with gold stars on a blue background and then rode the nativism all the way to the finish line. His internal opponents thought he was too preposterous to win the leadership and his external opponents failed to grasp the seismic shift in politics taking place beneath their feet. Like Trump, an accident of time, chance and circumstance allied to weaponised ambition and ego. The power of 'othering' is phenomenal in this age. Let's hope Macron isn't taken out by it next year.

Macron is a destructive Thatcherite who’s ripping up the best things about the French state. It’s a sad state of affairs when I’m desperate for him to improve in the polls because the FN is the likely alternative :rolleyes: But in previous presidential elections its usually been the way that FN take a poll lead, it’s neck and neck at the first round but after the second round the votes that went to the socialists communists greens get transferred to the remaining non FN candidate and they’re quite comfortably defeated. Nothing certain in politics anymore of course.

[hibsbollah]

Just watching Johnson at PMQs just now, barely being able to string a coherent sentence together, and wondering again what's the appeal? Is it just his racism and xenophobia that continues to get him inordinately high approval ratings, or is there something more? :dunno:

Fertility

[JeMeSouviens]

He wrapped himself in a flag that wasn't the one with gold stars on a blue background and then rode the nativism all the way to the finish line. His internal opponents thought he was too preposterous to win the leadership and his external opponents failed to grasp the seismic shift in politics taking place beneath their feet. Like Trump, an accident of time, chance and circumstance allied to weaponised ambition and ego. The power of 'othering' is phenomenal in this age. Let's hope Macron isn't taken out by it next year.

There's that, but it's not just that. He managed to get himself elected in cosmopolitan London as well before jumping on the nativist bandwagon. The bumbling toff schtick does seem to work for a certain segment of people. I've no idea why. :dunno:

[JeMeSouviens]

Macron is a destructive Thatcherite who’s ripping up the best things about the French state. It’s a sad state of affairs when I’m desperate for him to improve in the polls because the FN is the likely alternative :rolleyes: But in previous presidential elections its usually been the way that FN take a poll lead, it’s neck and neck at the first round but after the second round the votes that went to the socialists communists greens get transferred to the remaining non FN candidate and they’re quite comfortably defeated. Nothing certain in politics anymore of course.

It looks very likely to end up being Macron v Le Pen in the 2nd round. They're both usually around 25% give or take. Nobody else is above 15%. Round 2 polling is currently about 55-45 for Macron (was 66-34 at the last election). Hopefully that gap would widen as les gens look over the abyss!

[lapsedhibee]

Hope everyone's got 'Scottish Nationalist Party' in the Boris PMQs bingo. Speaker not giving a toss as usual.

He gave a tiny bit of a toss when he cut off Johnson's usual prepared waffle after Starmer's last question, but far too little and far too late. Johnson'll do the exact same next week and the week after. PMQs pretty much unwatchable now.

[lapsedhibee]

The power of 'othering' is phenomenal in this age.

Yep, and very worrying. There's some hope that the US has turned a corner with that now, but not much sign of the same here.

[One Day Soon]

Macron is a destructive Thatcherite who’s ripping up the best things about the French state. It’s a sad state of affairs when I’m desperate for him to improve in the polls because the FN is the likely alternative :rolleyes: But in previous presidential elections its usually been the way that FN take a poll lead, it’s neck and neck at the first round but after the second round the votes that went to the socialists communists greens get transferred to the remaining non FN candidate and they’re quite comfortably defeated. Nothing certain in politics anymore of course.

In a nutshell. Stopping the dangerous lunatic alternative is where it's at. Not edifying. Those second round electoral certainties are reassuring unless and until they unexpectedly stop working...

[JeMeSouviens]

In a nutshell. Stopping the dangerous lunatic alternative is where it's at. Not edifying. Those second round electoral certainties are reassuring unless and until they unexpectedly stop working...

Yeah, I don't think Le Pen can win because of the FN/family baggage she carries about with her. But she can sure as hell move the mainstream her way in a Farage to Johnson type way. :rolleyes:

[Hibrandenburg]

PMQs pretty much unwatchable now.

Mission accomplished!

[cabbageandribs1875]

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wow, even the Scientists know the vile Tories are Corrupt :agree:

[lapsedhibee]

Mission accomplished!

Well, yes, though I don't buy the 'Johnson is a clever guy with clever strategies, pretending to be a bumbling oaf'. Think he really is a bumbling oaf. Would never, ever have got away unchallenged with the drivel he serves up at PMQs if Bercow was still in charge. :violin:

[hibsbollah]

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wow, even the Scientists know the vile Tories are Corrupt :agree:

Kuennsberg, will she even notice?

[hibsbollah]

Yeah, I don't think Le Pen can win because of the FN/family baggage she carries about with her. But she can sure as hell move the mainstream her way in a Farage to Johnson type way. :rolleyes:

It’s interesting how England, while having a violent far right street movement, has never really embraced the far right at the ballot box to any great extent, while France which doesn’t seem to be any more of a visibly intolerant or extreme right wing society, has a well established and consistently popular far right party which has got close to power quite a few times.

[One Day Soon]

It’s interesting how England, while having a violent far right street movement, has never really embraced the far right at the ballot box to any great extent, while France which doesn’t seem to be any more of a visibly intolerant or extreme right wing society, has a well established and consistently popular far right party which has got close to power quite a few times.

I hate to say it but I think part of this springs from the history of fairly authoritarian Catholic tradition and its sympathisers in France - together with post-colonial scarring, proximity to continental European states which have previously invaded them (no names, no pack drill) and a fairly centralised political system. I think the French far right benefit from a national inferiority complex among a significant proportion of the population. Partition with Vichy France assuredly didn't help.

British far right nationalism appears to me to be quite seriously organised but with limited appeal as you say to very small numbers. That may of course be because its prospective wealthier supporters are already well served by other political groupings for their personal advantage, why go jackboot when you can go chequebook?

[hibsbollah]

I hate to say it but I think part of this springs from the history of fairly authoritarian Catholic tradition and its sympathisers in France - together with post-colonial scarring, proximity to continental European states which have previously invaded them (no names, no pack drill) and a fairly centralised political system. I think the French far right benefit from a national inferiority complex among a significant proportion of the population. Partition with Vichy France assuredly didn't help.

British far right nationalism appears to me to be quite seriously organised but with limited appeal as you say to very small numbers. That may of course be because its prospective wealthier supporters are already well served by other political groupings for their personal advantage, why go jackboot when you can go chequebook?

I know what you mean and it’s a fair analysis, but Vichy and WW2 was 80 years ago and beyond most folks memory. I know next to nothing about Algeria and the war in the 50s and 60s but im sure it’s also relevant to the discussion. It could all of course be historical accident and down to Oswald Mosleys descendants being simply unable to arrange a piss up in a brewery. I just have no idea what the cultural difference is with the French (and the Italians and Greeks of course) there’s probably a few undergrad dissertations that would teach me a thing or two.

[ronaldo7]

Roothy caught up in another cronyism deal to get one of her pals on the list.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19076111.ruth-davidson-cronyism-row-top-donor-endorsed-holyrood-seat/?ref=twtrec

[Ozyhibby]

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/10/friend-of-matt-hancock-wins-14-4-million-ppe-contract/


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[Keith_M]

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/10/friend-of-matt-hancock-wins-14-4-million-ppe-contract/




These people have no shame.

[Mr Grieves]

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/10/friend-of-matt-hancock-wins-14-4-million-ppe-contract/


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Cronyvirus

[Hibrandenburg]

PMQs a complete waste of time as usual.

[lapsedhibee]

PMQs a complete waste of time as usual.
Memorable only for the Speaker being unable to pronounce Lochaber. How long has he been in the job now, introducing Blackford every week?

[StevieC]

Memorable only for the Speaker being unable to pronounce Lochaber. How long has he been in the job now, introducing Blackford every week?

To be fair, he did pull up Boris on the use of Scottish “Nationalist” Party. It took him long enough though.

[ronaldo7]

Tory Andrew Bowie being ripped to shreds here by George Monbiot. Tory elites and

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1359867075641167880

[Keith_M]

Tory Andrew Bowie being ripped to shreds here by George Monbiot. Tory elites and

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1359867075641167880



To George Monbiot...


:not worth

[CloudSquall]

Tory Andrew Bowie being ripped to shreds here by George Monbiot. Tory elites and

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1359867075641167880


"I'm not even going to bother responding to that" = I know I just got ripped up for arse paper.

[hibsbollah]

To George Monbiot...


:not worth

Im a big fan of his, especially on the environment. If he had his way, lynx wolves and aurochs would be wandering about the Scottish Highlands, all the sheep farms would be turned into rewilding projects. Would be a lot more fun but not a popular view with the farming community (I wonder if the NFU, a lobbying arm for the UKs large landowners, are anything to do with Monbiot not being allowed on BBC question time for 20 years, a longer drought than Nick Griffin, Katie Hopkins, disgraced jailbird Johnathan Aitken and all those rentagob trolls of the extreme right the BBC seem to be happy to give airtime to?

Monbiot isn’t even really of ‘the left’ ideologically, he just challenges positions of power.

[One Day Soon]

Im a big fan of his, especially on the environment. If he had his way, lynx wolves and aurochs would be wandering about the Scottish Highlands, all the sheep farms would be turned into rewilding projects. Would be a lot more fun but not a popular view with the farming community (I wonder if the NFU, a lobbying arm for the UKs large landowners, are anything to do with Monbiot not being allowed on BBC question time for 20 years, a longer drought than Nick Griffin, Katie Hopkins, disgraced jailbird Johnathan Aitken and all those rentagob trolls of the extreme right the BBC seem to be happy to give airtime to?

Monbiot isn’t even really of ‘the left’ ideologically, he just challenges positions of power.


He's given much greater profile to rewilding than it would otherwise have had. Politically he's literally been all over the place as you say. Can't forgive him for advocating voting for the Lib-Dems in 2010, one of a number of factors which opened the door to Cameron as PM and subsequently the Brexit referendum.

[Keith_M]

He's given much greater profile to rewilding than it would otherwise have had. Politically he's literally been all over the place as you say. Can't forgive him for advocating voting for the Lib-Dems in 2010, one of a number of factors which opened the door to Cameron as PM and subsequently the Brexit referendum.


Was he behind the Guardian temporarily switching to support the Lib-Dems?

:dunno:



I remember them doing that at the time and found it a bit strange.

[One Day Soon]

Was he behind the Guardian temporarily switching to support the Lib-Dems?

:dunno:



I remember them doing that at the time and found it a bit strange.


Not sure he was 'behind' that but he certainly publicly supported voting for the Lib-Dems. Reading the piece he put his name to in the guardian along with others is eye-popping when you consider the actual consequences of putting those charlatans into government. Two paras leap out for me:


"The MPs that assemble in Westminster next month could usher in one of the great reforming parliaments in British history, one to rank in the history books alongside 1831-32, 1865-67 or 1911-1914. The next parliament could see cherished progressive liberal aspirations realised: a proportional electoral system; wider and better-defended civil liberties; a new, internationalist approach to foreign affairs and immigration; reform of the tax system to share wealth and curb carbon emissions; and an assault on the vested interests of the financial sector."

and

"The Liberal Democrats are today's change-makers. They have already changed the election; next they could drive fundamental change in our political and economic landscape."

**** me some people shouldn't be allowed anywhere near political judgement.




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[JeMeSouviens]

Im a big fan of his, especially on the environment. If he had his way, lynx wolves and aurochs would be wandering about the Scottish Highlands, all the sheep farms would be turned into rewilding projects. Would be a lot more fun but not a popular view with the farming community (I wonder if the NFU, a lobbying arm for the UKs large landowners, are anything to do with Monbiot not being allowed on BBC question time for 20 years, a longer drought than Nick Griffin, Katie Hopkins, disgraced jailbird Johnathan Aitken and all those rentagob trolls of the extreme right the BBC seem to be happy to give airtime to?

Monbiot isn’t even really of ‘the left’ ideologically, he just challenges positions of power.

Give them the right subsidies and they'll be rewilding eco-warriors before you can say sustainable tweeds. :wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

Im a big fan of his, especially on the environment. If he had his way, lynx wolves and aurochs would be wandering about the Scottish Highlands, all the sheep farms would be turned into rewilding projects. Would be a lot more fun but not a popular view with the farming community (I wonder if the NFU, a lobbying arm for the UKs large landowners, are anything to do with Monbiot not being allowed on BBC question time for 20 years, a longer drought than Nick Griffin, Katie Hopkins, disgraced jailbird Johnathan Aitken and all those rentagob trolls of the extreme right the BBC seem to be happy to give airtime to?

Monbiot isn’t even really of ‘the left’ ideologically, he just challenges positions of power.

There is every reason to reintroduce lynx as they are the main predator of destructive red deer. Sheep are unlikely to be grazing where red deer will be, and if sheep farmers keep a couple of alpaca or llama as 'guard dogs' predation will be minimal and a compensation scheme would help.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230836597_Lynx_Depredation_on_Domestic_Sheep_in_No rway

[hibsbollah]

Everytime I read a Martina Hyde piece, I laugh.

We do get the occasional glimpse of the prime minister, who was wheeled out this week for a visit to Derby, where we were given yet another opportunity to see Boris Johnson dressed up (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2021/feb/08/boris-johnson-border-controls-effective-when-covid-rates-lower-video) in a white coat. I think he’s supposed to appear medical and scientific, but only ever succeeds in looking like he’s got a lovely bit of pork cheek he can do you for £3.50.

[Hibrandenburg]

A decent insight from a Scottish born Tory on how Scottish Tories see their fellow Scots. It might only be meant as humour but it explains a lot about their self-loathing.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/michael-gove-branded-scots-drunk-16214072

[One Day Soon]

A decent insight from a Scottish born Tory on how Scottish Tories see their fellow Scots. It might only be meant as humour but it explains a lot about their self-loathing.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/michael-gove-branded-scots-drunk-16214072

No, it really doesn’t. Tory philosophy sees other people through the prism of privilege, class and wealth. You can be any race, creed or colour you like as long as you are for the few and not the many, whether you’re from Cardiff, Crewe or Cockenzie.

Michael Gove’s **** ‘comedy’ from the 1990s tells us as much about how Scottish Tories see other Scots as a 90s SNP MP suggesting blowing up water pipelines tells us about the SNPs approach to parliamentary democracy - ie none.

[hibsbollah]

as long as you are for the few and not the many.


:tsk tsk:

[hibsbollah]

There is every reason to reintroduce lynx as they are the main predator of destructive red deer. Sheep are unlikely to be grazing where red deer will be, and if sheep farmers keep a couple of alpaca or llama as 'guard dogs' predation will be minimal and a compensation scheme would help.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230836597_Lynx_Depredation_on_Domestic_Sheep_in_No rway

Yes, I agree. Lots to commend it; the huge potential value of eco tourism compared to the loss making sheep economy propped up by subsidy. The absence of evidence of lynx or wolf attacks on humans, not being able to plant all the trees that are necessary to offset our carbon because deer numbers are at plague level and they munch the saplings before they have a chance to grow. As with all these things, it comes down to land ownership and political will. The biggest landowners in Scotland seem wedded to grouse beating and deer stalking as a rural economic solution. Personally I’d CPO the lot, but that’s just me being a Stalinist.

[Ozyhibby]

No, it really doesn’t. Tory philosophy sees other people through the prism of privilege, class and wealth. You can be any race, creed or colour you like as long as you are for the few and not the many, whether you’re from Cardiff, Crewe or Cockenzie.

Michael Gove’s **** ‘comedy’ from the 1990s tells us as much about how Scottish Tories see other Scots as a 90s SNP MP suggesting blowing up water pipelines tells us about the SNPs approach to parliamentary democracy - ie none.

What water pipelines?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/scottories/status/1360302952196366336?s=21

Tories as good as admitting they can’t win in May.


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[Hibrandenburg]

No, it really doesn’t. Tory philosophy sees other people through the prism of privilege, class and wealth. You can be any race, creed or colour you like as long as you are for the few and not the many, whether you’re from Cardiff, Crewe or Cockenzie.

Michael Gove’s **** ‘comedy’ from the 1990s tells us as much about how Scottish Tories see other Scots as a 90s SNP MP suggesting blowing up water pipelines tells us about the SNPs approach to parliamentary democracy - ie none.

Yes it really does, nothing is more important to the Scottish Tories than their precious Union that enables them to be Northern British before actually doing that what is best for Scotland. The amount of times they've bowed down to party central in Westminster to the detriment of Scotland is nauseating and you know it. They're now even asking voters to vote for parties that oppose everything they stand for if it can stop the electorate in Scotland having a meaningful vote on the constitutional status quo after having major constitutional change since the last referendum.

[Northernhibee]

If Michael Gove is already criticising the state of Brexit, do we take that as a start to his leadership challenge? Blame it on Boris and get in there? "There would have been no downsides to Brexit if I was in charge, vote for me as leader" and we end up back to Brexit being able to be sold as different things to different people?

[H18S NX]

Everytime I read a Martina Hyde piece, I laugh.

We do get the occasional glimpse of the prime minister, who was wheeled out this week for a visit to Derby, where we were given yet another opportunity to see Boris Johnson dressed up (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2021/feb/08/boris-johnson-border-controls-effective-when-covid-rates-lower-video) in a white coat. I think he’s supposed to appear medical and scientific, but only ever succeeds in looking like he’s got a lovely bit of pork cheek he can do you for £3.50....:faf::faf::faf::faf:

[Bostonhibby]

Everytime I read a Martina Hyde piece, I laugh.

We do get the occasional glimpse of the prime minister, who was wheeled out this week for a visit to Derby, where we were given yet another opportunity to see Boris Johnson dressed up (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2021/feb/08/boris-johnson-border-controls-effective-when-covid-rates-lower-video) in a white coat. I think he’s supposed to appear medical and scientific, but only ever succeeds in looking like he’s got a lovely bit of pork cheek he can do you for £3.50.[emoji23][emoji23]

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[Stairway 2 7]

A decent insight from a Scottish born Tory on how Scottish Tories see their fellow Scots. It might only be meant as humour but it explains a lot about their self-loathing.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/michael-gove-branded-scots-drunk-16214072

Ironic as the **** looks like his coupon has been drawn by my left hand

[ronaldo7]

Tories with their hands in the till again. When will it stop? They've squandered Billions.

Dominic Cummings was instrumental in the process of awarding a government contract without tender to a company run by his “friends”, according to court documents that raise questions about whether the Cabinet Office may have misled the public.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/15/revealed-cummings-role-handing-covid-contract-firm-run-by-friends

[Future17]

No, it really doesn’t. Tory philosophy sees other people through the prism of privilege, class and wealth. You can be any race, creed or colour you like as long as you are for the few and not the many, whether you’re from Cardiff, Crewe or Cockenzie.

Michael Gove’s **** ‘comedy’ from the 1990s tells us as much about how Scottish Tories see other Scots as a 90s SNP MP suggesting blowing up water pipelines tells us about the SNPs approach to parliamentary democracy - ie none.

Which SNP MP?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Truss picking and choosing which topics are discussed


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[hibsbollah]

Truss picking and choosing which topics are discussed


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She wants to talk about cheese.

[Mr Grieves]

Truss picking and choosing which topics are discussed


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They're hiding how ***** their brexit deal is from the public

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-17/u-k-holds-back-trade-scrutiny-plan-after-johnson-struck-eu-deal

[Hibrandenburg]

They're hiding how ***** their brexit deal is from the public

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-17/u-k-holds-back-trade-scrutiny-plan-after-johnson-struck-eu-deal

This documentary from West German regional TV station WDR looks at who is set to profit from Brexit and their role in using an EU sceptical and and EU uneducated British public to make personal profit. There's a few well kennt faces in it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

up to date contracts for cronies list

Boris Johnson's Crony Contracts Archives – Byline Times (https://bylinetimes.com/columns/boris-johnsons-crony-contracts/?fbclid=IwAR2mEzdbQ2GVJuPd8uRFduJw9zDwQ_B_khySaPxK 5GHzUuenfii-5LYop2o)



this shower of crooked corrupt tory bar stewards would have been run out of government in a whole lot of countries :agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

She wants to talk about cheese.


it all smells a bit whiffy

[cabbageandribs1875]

They're hiding how ***** their brexit deal is from the public

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-17/u-k-holds-back-trade-scrutiny-plan-after-johnson-struck-eu-deal


thank goodness for the media in other countries

[lord bunberry]

She wants to talk about cheese.
And pork markets.

[ronaldo7]

It looks like Johnson and Patel will have their own judicial review to deal with.

A union representing senior civil servants has announced it is launching a judicial review seeking to “overturn” Boris Johnson’s ruling that Priti Patel did not breach the ministerial code.

The intervention comes after the decision by the prime minister last year to disregard the conclusions of an internal investigation into the home secretary’s behaviour written by his independent ethics adviser.

Sir Alex Allan, who produced the report and later quit after his advice was overruled, found evidence of bullying and that Ms Patel had not always treated civil servants with “consideration and respect”.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnsons-decision-to-stand-by-priti-patel-after-bullying-report-triggers-legal-action/ar-BB1dPJs8?ocid=st

[ronaldo7]

Matt Hancock acts UNLAWFULLY over pandemic contracts. Tory cronyism for all to see.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56125462

[BroxburnHibee]

Matt Hancock acts UNLAWFULLY over pandemic contracts. Tory cronyism for all to see.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56125462

Twice now they've been found to act unlawfully and still they plod on.

There's zero accountability now.

[Chorley Hibee]

They're untouchable, and they know it.

[ronaldo7]

Twice now they've been found to act unlawfully and still they plod on.

There's zero accountability now.

10 Years for lying about where you've been.

What does Millions of pounds from the public purse for your pals get you.

[Jones28]

A decent insight from a Scottish born Tory on how Scottish Tories see their fellow Scots. It might only be meant as humour but it explains a lot about their self-loathing.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/michael-gove-branded-scots-drunk-16214072

I think Gove has gone further than his attempted stand up than his thinly veiled banter would have us believe. Amazing what a couple of decades can do.

****

[Lendo]

A decent insight from a Scottish born Tory on how Scottish Tories see their fellow Scots. It might only be meant as humour but it explains a lot about their self-loathing.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/michael-gove-branded-scots-drunk-16214072

Oh my word. The SNP, Scottish Lib Dem, Scottish Labour and the Greens should have this playing on a loop in every party political broadcast until the election.

[Ozyhibby]

Oh my word. The SNP, Scottish Lib Dem, Scottish Labour and the Greens should have this playing on a loop in every party political broadcast until the election.

The Lib Dem’s and Labour won’t want to upset their partner for BT2. Good chance Gove will lead it.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/is-outsourcing-out-of-control/id970353148?i=1000507887457

Interesting listen about the scandal of Tory cronyism.


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[hibsbollah]

Twice now they've been found to act unlawfully and still they plod on.

There's zero accountability now.

Shh, there’s a Meghan markle story wants reporting on.

[lapsedhibee]

Twice now they've been found to act unlawfully and still they plod on.

There's zero accountability now.

Nonsense. Hancock's on TV now shouting at Marr that Hancock's team worked incredibly hard so everything's fine.

[Bostonhibby]

Nonsense. Hancock's on TV now shouting at Marr that Hancock's team worked incredibly hard so everything's fine.More evidence that they don't really feel they have to account for their behaviour, chose to polarise on the court case only being about the delay in publishing and Marr seems to have let him away with it.

The Nasty party spokesmen tend to operate on the basis that if they deflect and digress twice they'll generally get onto whatever the next question is without dealing with the earlier one.

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[wookie70]

Twice now they've been found to act unlawfully and still they plod on.

There's zero accountability now. A good deal more than twice. They acted unlawfully two or three times in terms of Public Sector Pensions and compensation schemes.

[Bostonhibby]

A good deal more than twice. They acted unlawfully two or three times in terms of Public Sector Pensions and compensation schemes.Forget all that cronyism and deliberately socially divisive stuff, this is what the public want.

https://youtu.be/xIfj8dwrXJE

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[lapsedhibee]

Forget all that cronyism and deliberately socially divisive stuff, this is what the public want.

https://youtu.be/xIfj8dwrXJE



:greengrin

[ballengeich]

Forget all that cronyism and deliberately socially divisive stuff, this is what the public want.

https://youtu.be/xIfj8dwrXJE

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Finally - a job within his skill set.

[Pretty Boy]

There is quite literally no excuse for Hancock not to resign. It's not as if his handling of the pandemic has been such a roaring success that he can use that as mitigation.

I'm not sure if there is just no honour among politicians now or whether public opinion is so polarised that there is no obligation to resign. Your vote is so locked in that you can get away with almost anything.

[Hibrandenburg]

There is quite literally no excuse for Hancock not to resign. It's not as if his handling of the pandemic has been such a roaring success that he can use that as mitigation.

I'm not sure if there is just no honour among politicians now or whether public opinion is so polarised that there is no obligation to resign. Your vote is so locked in that you can get away with almost anything.

The problem is that the tories are actually untouchable and their supporters revel in the outrage of the opposition. Democracy has taken a backseat to populism.

[Pretty Boy]

The problem is that the tories are actually untouchable and their supporters revel in the outrage of the opposition. Democracy has taken a backseat to populism.

I think that's it. It's scary.

Thinking back through the PMs off my lifetime every single one of them, despicable though some of them were, would have told Hancock to resign or sacked him if he refused. No consequences under Johnson. Firstly because the PM is weak and a coward but more importantly because there doesn't have to be consequences.

The pitiful response of Starmer just hammers that security the Tories have home. Love them or loathe them both Blair and Corbyn, poles apart ideologically, would have hammered the Tories over this. Starmer isn't a centrist, he's just a ****ing sap.

[Bostonhibby]

The problem is that the tories are actually untouchable and their supporters revel in the outrage of the opposition. Democracy has taken a backseat to populism.Exactly how I see it, they continue to push the boundaries to see exactly how bad a level of conduct they can get away with.

They're aiming lower and lower, from Patel's blatant bullying and Bozo's handling of it to the myriad of contracts arbitrarily awarded so long as Lord Deighton likes the cut of ones jib.

There's no real opposition sadly and we still don't know how bad someone has to behave to get sacked or resign. I guess the standards flow from the top.

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[Hibrandenburg]

I think that's it. It's scary.

Thinking back through the PMs off my lifetime every single one of them, despicable though some of them were, would have told Hancock to resign or sacked him if he refused. No consequences under Johnson. Firstly because the PM is weak and a coward but more importantly because there doesn't have to be consequences.

The pitiful response of Starmer just hammers that security the Tories have home. Love them or loathe them both Blair and Corbyn, poles apart ideologically, would have hammered the Tories over this. Starmer isn't a centrist, he's just a ****ing sap.

Your point about previous PMs is a valid one. Most of them would have been concerned that a fool like Hancock would reflect badly on their government with the electorate, however Johnson has no such concerns.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/21/matt-hancock-ex-neighbour-alex-bourne-under-investigation-uk-medical-regulator

More Hancock revelations from The Guardian today. Remember this guy? Mr Cock Inn? ( almost too good to be true), £30 million contract for doing something he had no experience of being investigated by the medical regulator. Zarah Sultana and Laura Pidcock tweeting well that Hancock should resign. WTF is Starmer doing?

[Hiber-nation]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/21/matt-hancock-ex-neighbour-alex-bourne-under-investigation-uk-medical-regulator

More Hancock revelations from The Guardian today. Remember this guy? Mr Cock Inn? ( almost too good to be true), £30 million contract for doing something he had no experience of being investigated by the medical regulator. Zarah Sultana and Laura Pidcock tweeting well that Hancock should resign. WTF is Starmer doing?

I can't get my head round it at all. Maybe he thinks the polls are going ok for him so he better not say anything controversial. He's becoming a laughing stock now.

[Hibrandenburg]

I can't get my head round it at all. Maybe he thinks the polls are going ok for him so he better not say anything controversial. He's becoming a laughing stock now.

I suspect they have their eyes on the post Covid19 hunting season. We're almost in a warlike scenario where opposition to the government might be perceived as treasonous. Better and less likely to alienate the public if they wait until a time where the government can't blame Labour of obstructing the fight against the virus. They'll be keeping their powder dry.

[matty_f]

The saddest thing about this is the ***** are going to come out of this completely unscathed, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they end up with bigger winning margin in the next election despite what is very blatant corruption.

[hibsbollah]

The saddest thing about this is the ***** are going to come out of this completely unscathed, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they end up with bigger winning margin in the next election despite what is very blatant corruption.

:agree: And I think sometimes we forget how much money £30 million actually is, within the context of youth centres closing, social care being dismantled, funded nursery school places cut. These things affect all of us. £30 million can do a lot of good. In what world does it get given to this ****er in the basis of owning a pub the health secretary drinks in? And no one in any power does anything about it? And of course that’s just the one example.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/153482598_10225559533554631_7248180494275863128_n. jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=2sW-XV-QFUEAX-rqdGN&_nc_oc=AQlJjH8J99gRYTYaKTGgm4s3MDsm1cDPeDW4nhMTsEF NPtX4I2WU_Zsli1r4cp5WG9g&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=77d53f5faa998f32e179e7b1370fa6a5&oe=60583E2C


what a rarity, a tory with at least some morals....Mmmm

[cabbageandribs1875]

24390

[Jones28]

That’s 2 ministers in a row refused to apologise for breaking the law.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/22/cronyism-britain-rampant-banana-republic-covid-contracts-government?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR3udzaF88AcC8wyzvgNOEv1rd64sKPMH9R6cM9mK bmry1uetUpkjB69zow

[Kato]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/22/cronyism-britain-rampant-banana-republic-covid-contracts-government?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR3udzaF88AcC8wyzvgNOEv1rd64sKPMH9R6cM9mK bmry1uetUpkjB69zow

"Britain has long been a chumocracy"

....then goes on to describe exclusively Conservative Party chums as examples. (The BBC one at the end doesn't even fit.)

[Future17]

"Britain has long been a chumocracy"

....then goes on to describe exclusively Conservative Party chums as examples. (The BBC one at the end doesn't even fit.)

The BBC part is referring to how difficult it is for certain organisations to appoint outwith type, even if there is a stated desire to do so.

[JeMeSouviens]

I know we have a few Marina Hyde fans on here, this week's is a peach: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/23/boris-johnson-dog-dilyn-prime-minister-spad-no-10

:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

I know we have a few Marina Hyde fans on here, this week's is a peach: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/23/boris-johnson-dog-dilyn-prime-minister-spad-no-10

:greengrin
:agree: Been a few upliftingly savage pieces from her since the New Year.

[Kato]

The BBC part is referring to how difficult it is for certain organisations to appoint outwith type, even if there is a stated desire to do so.Yes, but the article speaks about "Britain" and the only "chums" mentioned are the Tory Party's pals. I thought she would expand into other areas that showed the UK to be rife with nepotism/cronyism but it failed to do that. The BBC segment seemed like an out of place afterthought.

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[hibsbollah]

"Britain has long been a chumocracy"

....then goes on to describe exclusively Conservative Party chums as examples. (The BBC one at the end doesn't even fit.)

Yes, Toynbee is a loyal cheerleader for the centrist Labour Party (she seemed to hate the Labour Left more than the Tories in recent years), and so it’s a takedown of the Tories exclusively, but quite effective for that.

[hibsbollah]

I know we have a few Marina Hyde fans on here, this week's is a peach: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/23/boris-johnson-dog-dilyn-prime-minister-spad-no-10

:greengrin

She’s doing some surrealism riffing there, I like the Boris in dog body swap elephant foot humping.

[Kato]

She’s doing some surrealism riffing there, I like the Boris in dog body swap elephant foot humping.Some skillful juxtapositions too.


"trophy pouffe, or Dominic Cummings"

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[JeMeSouviens]

Yes, Toynbee is a loyal cheerleader for the centrist Labour Party (she seemed to hate the Labour Left more than the Tories in recent years), and so it’s a takedown of the Tories exclusively, but quite effective for that.

Not just recent years, she was a candidate for the SDP I think, so presumably split from Labour then.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151987217_3622252051206630_4181728608654085730_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MsWLYsbdnygAX9Qb_6v&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=1952ee363758bd9c3a57b0df19654be9&oe=605E019D

[hibsbollah]

Not just recent years, she was a candidate for the SDP I think, so presumably split from Labour then.

I remember my dad liking her articles in The Guardian as far back as the early 80s, far too centrist for my taste but she’s always been consistent in her views and is big on increased public spending and higher taxes.

[lapsedhibee]

There are plenty of times when the government acts unlawfully, the justice secretary has admitted, but “getting something wrong is not the same as deliberately flouting the law”.

What mattered, said Robert Buckland, was that the government did not break the same law twice.

= rotational fouling.

[Keith_M]

Lest we forget...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/09/01/97587836-vote-leave-news-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqhrecUkOQ_RJUhfW_x_ESH6W0-DPWq8x8IQytlg7pAmE.jpg

[cabbageandribs1875]

vile corrupt tory hancock will be getting mentioned in court again

‘Benefiting NHS Patients or Big Tech?’: Matt Hancock Faces New Legal Challenge Over NHS Palantir Contract – Byline Times (https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/24/matt-hancock-faces-new-legal-challenge-over-nhs-palantir-contract/?fbclid=IwAR2CcPQPvl4tR4I_LxJ1zOvGHbpqiEt5mcuOCIaf eUrvfng****7eEbhDww)



Health and Social Care Secretary Matt Hancock is to face a new legal challenge over the awarding of a £23 million contract to Palantir Technologies – giving its Donald Trump-supporting American billionaire owner Peter Thiel enormous access to data held by the NHS and Whitehall.



tory ****

[JimBHibees]

vile corrupt tory hancock will be getting mentioned in court again

‘Benefiting NHS Patients or Big Tech?’: Matt Hancock Faces New Legal Challenge Over NHS Palantir Contract – Byline Times (https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/24/matt-hancock-faces-new-legal-challenge-over-nhs-palantir-contract/?fbclid=IwAR2CcPQPvl4tR4I_LxJ1zOvGHbpqiEt5mcuOCIaf eUrvfng****7eEbhDww)



Health and Social Care Secretary Matt Hancock is to face a new legal challenge over the awarding of a £23 million contract to Palantir Technologies – giving its Donald Trump-supporting American billionaire owner Peter Thiel enormous access to data held by the NHS and Whitehall.



tory ****

BBC will be all over this :rolleyes:

[Lendo]

BBC will be all over this :rolleyes:

There could be another 9/11 happening right now and the BBC would still dedicate more column inches to Salmond and Sturgeon on the website.

[Hibrandenburg]

There could be another 9/11 happening right now and the BBC would still dedicate more column inches to Salmond and Sturgeon on the website.

I was actually surprised at the lack of front page reporting on this, it's almost as if they realise it's a damp squib.

[Jack]

There could be another 9/11 happening right now and the BBC would still dedicate more column inches to Salmond and Sturgeon on the website.

I noticed yesterday that despite their prominent position of the story on their website it only ranked 3rd in the most read bit. Its not even in that now.

[Mr Grieves]

Is it normal for governments to pay for positive news articles in newspapers?

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1366316553814347777?s=19

[hibsbollah]

BBC will be all over this :rolleyes:

If you search for Hancock on the bbc news the first ten articles seem to be about his role in Britain being #1 for genome sequencing, telling the public to behave themselves, and reporting his updates in a neutral way. You wouldn’t have a clue he’d just broken the law, been censured by two separate committees and awarded contracts to his mates and Tory donors.

There is no way this is an accident or an oversight on the bbcs part. We have zero justification for mocking Fox News, it’s the same level of deception practiced in a more subtle way. And some folk think the bbc is of the left :faf:

[Hibrandenburg]

If you search for Hancock on the bbc news the first ten articles seem to be about his role in Britain being #1 for genome sequencing, telling the public to behave themselves, and reporting his updates in a neutral way. You wouldn’t have a clue he’d just broken the law, been censured by two separate committees and awarded contracts to his mates and Tory donors.

There is no way this is an accident or an oversight on the bbcs part. We have zero justification for mocking Fox News, it’s the same level of deception practiced in a more subtle way. And some folk think the bbc is of the left :faf:

From the outside looking in, I agree 100% with you.

[Bostonhibby]

If you search for Hancock on the bbc news the first ten articles seem to be about his role in Britain being #1 for genome sequencing, telling the public to behave themselves, and reporting his updates in a neutral way. You wouldn’t have a clue he’d just broken the law, been censured by two separate committees and awarded contracts to his mates and Tory donors.

There is no way this is an accident or an oversight on the bbcs part. We have zero justification for mocking Fox News, it’s the same level of deception practiced in a more subtle way. And some folk think the bbc is of the left :faf:You might laugh but I know quite a few (let's call them staunch) Tory supporters down here who say the BBC are left wing and biased towards labour.[emoji16]

Always thought Bozo's pet interviewer Keunsberg was a Marxist just biding her time.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

BBC will be all over this :rolleyes:


just the day after that court decision the BBC didn't have one article about it anywhere on their front page, not one article


it's almost as if it didn't happen

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/rachael_swindon/status/1366344949629923331?s=21


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[cabbageandribs1875]

meanwhile...

Watchdog criticises how UK government appointed Covid ‘tsars’ | Civil service | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/01/watchdog-criticises-how-uk-government-appointed-covid-tsars?fbclid=IwAR0XApajG2QrGaSpd_8xLCnm53PiOzgOend yvRyGzS64URWSlb9JCjaoImw)


Criticism of how four Covid-19 “tsars” were put in place has been voiced by an independent watchdog, as a new spotlight also fell on appointments of as many as 19 Tory-linked figures over the past 12 months.
“Greater clarity” about the terms on which the four were appointed in areas such as PPE and vaccine procurement “might have helped”, said the head of the public appointments watchdog, who recently expressed concern that the government was presiding over a new wave of political cronyism.


'kin stinks and it wont stop

[Peevemor]

Meanwhile Nicolas Sarkozy, our favourite French tory, has been jailed for a year with another 2 suspended.

[Bostonhibby]

Meanwhile Nicolas Sarkozy, our favourite French tory, has been jailed for a year with another 2 suspended.At least in France it looks like they could teach us a thing or two about jailing corrupt politicians.

Seems harsh, It's not as if he's given the owner of his local Barre a £30m contract for supplying PPE of unknown value

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[Ozyhibby]

Meanwhile Nicolas Sarkozy, our favourite French tory, has been jailed for a year with another 2 suspended.

Does that mean that France is a failed state like Scotland? Seems to be the new line taken by unionists these days.


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[lapsedhibee]

Does that mean that France is a failed state like Scotland? Seems to be the new line taken by unionists these days.


:agree: République bananière

[ronaldo7]

Meanwhile Nicolas Sarkozy, our favourite French tory, has been jailed for a year with another 2 suspended.

He'd get a peerage here and be able to rub shoulders with Auld pishy breeks, and the Russian oligarchs

[Kato]

He'd get a peerage here and be able to rub shoulders with Auld pishy breeks, and the Russian oligarchs

Sounds like a joke but many a true word is said in jest.

[hibsbollah]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;6481890]meanwhile...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/01/watchdog



Such a major story. But even the Guardian has hidden that story in the civil service section of the website. You’re not going to find that without putting a ‘Hancock’ search in. There’s no doubt in my mind the editorial policy across all the MSM is not to rock the boat at the moment, national crisis etc. So they get off the hook.

[Kato]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;6481890]meanwhile...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/01/watchdog



Such a major story. But even the Guardian has hidden that story in the civil service section of the website. You’re not going to find that without putting a ‘Hancock’ search in. There’s no doubt in my mind the editorial policy across all the MSM is not to rock the boat at the moment, national crisis etc. So they get off the hook.

Never mind. There will be "large scale" enquiry, with "far reaching" powers headed by Lady Suchandsuch. It'll start around 2025 and Lord Hancock will have to give "evidence" of how great he was during the pandemic, then Lady Suchandsuch will resign from the enquiry around 2029 to be replaced by Lord Soandso and the findings will published around 2032 and nowt will happen.

[hibsbollah]

[QUOTE=hibsbollah;6482190]

Never mind. There will be "large scale" enquiry, with "far reaching" powers headed by Lady Suchandsuch. It'll start around 2025 and Lord Hancock will have to give "evidence" of how great he was during the pandemic, then Lady Suchandsuch will resign from the enquiry around 2029 to be replaced by Lord Soandso and the findings will published around 2032 and nowt will happen.

As long as it’s a ‘belt and braces approach’ that’s the main thing.

I would actually shoot in the head whoever invented that phrase.

[Kato]

[QUOTE=Kato;6482197]

As long as it’s a ‘belt and braces approach’ that’s the main thing.

I would actually shoot in the head whoever invented that phrase.

Use a gun and a crossbow just in case.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvbaCszWYAACpxN?format=jpg&name=900x900

:rolleyes:

[cabbageandribs1875]

ok, who mucked up the quotes :greengrin


anyways, catchy wee tune by Captain Ska titled- blood on your hands


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pV94WEF8t8&fbclid=IwAR3sm7S51qInc6wjajhYj iUUrK4cCnuctMztBm-KarUG7JK0XOeevcdRMMM

[1875godsgift]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;6481890]meanwhile...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/01/watchdog



Such a major story. But even the Guardian has hidden that story in the civil service section of the website. You’re not going to find that without putting a ‘Hancock’ search in. There’s no doubt in my mind the editorial policy across all the MSM is not to rock the boat at the moment, national crisis etc. So they get off the hook.

The article seems to have disappeared? :confused:

[hibsbollah]

[QUOTE=hibsbollah;6482190]

The article seems to have disappeared? :confused:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/01/watchdog-criticises-how-uk-government-appointed-covid-tsars

[lapsedhibee]

The article seems to have disappeared? :confused:



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/01/watchdog-criticises-how-uk-government-appointed-covid-tsars

Stop messing with the quotes, you two!

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/156467207_3726003547468839_5842107631822467007_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=3oOTqisUhqMAX_aJ3fN&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=daf7bda33680b9dec1430cdd22caf7ad&oe=60644AC1

[hibsbollah]

Here we go with the budget. I hope I get ‘And it is right to do so’ in the Sunak Billionaire bull**** bingo

[Colr]

Mark Gino Francois - 5ft 4inches
Priti Patel - 5ft 3inches
Rishi Sunack - 5ft 6inches

They’re a troupe of midgets!!

Just need another 4 dwarfs!!

[lapsedhibee]

Mark Gino Francois - 5ft 4inches
Priti Patel - 5ft 3inches
Rishi Sunack - 5ft 6inches

They’re a troupe of midgets!!

Just need another 4 dwarfs!!
I'll throw in Baron Moynihan.

[hibsbollah]

Rishi Sunak channelling his inner John McDonnell. Universal credit gets the £20 extra uplift for another 7 months. With the tax rises and public spending increases this is effectively a Momentum budget.

Meanwhile, Labour OPPOSES the Corporation Tax increase to 28%, which puts them to the right of the Tories fiscally, and also to the right of Joe Biden, who is also increasing CT to 28%. Apparently because corporation tax increases (on profits, remember, not turnover) will ‘force businesses to the wall’.

Other policies include a new Poll Tax, invading the Isle of Man and bulldozing all allotments in the borough of Islington to the ground.
It’s a confusing time :faf:

[Colr]

I'll throw in Baron Moynihan.

Good call. You probably could throw him, actually.

Johnson is only 5ft 8.

With his hair he might have to be Snow White.

[Bostonhibby]

Good call. You probably could throw him, actually.

Johnson is only 5ft 8.

With his hair he might have to be Snow White.Are we casting for Billy Liar and the Seven Dwarves?

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[hibsbollah]

Are we casting for Billy Liar and the Seven Dwarves?

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:faf: clever.

[CloudSquall]

Rishi Sunak channelling his inner John McDonnell. Universal credit gets the £20 extra uplift for another 7 months. With the tax rises and public spending increases this is effectively a Momentum budget.

Meanwhile, Labour OPPOSES the Corporation Tax increase to 28%, which puts them to the right of the Tories fiscally, and also to the right of Joe Biden, who is also increasing CT to 28%. Apparently because corporation tax increases (on profits, remember, not turnover) will ‘force businesses to the wall’.

Other policies include a new Poll Tax, invading the Isle of Man and bulldozing all allotments in the borough of Islington to the ground.
It’s a confusing time :faf:


Spending unleashed and a promise to use tax rises to pay for it afterwards, Keynes must be partying like it's 1936 :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/deidrebrock/status/1367480656423505933?s=21


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[cabbageandribs1875]

so, after a FOI by Martin Keatings, Johnson's jaunt to our country during lockdown cost up to £8,500, mostly for police overtime

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“On that basis I can confirm that the total recorded cost to Police Scotland for the Prime Minister visit on January 28, 2021 is £8497.55, of which £8431.25 relates to officer overtime.

“You should however bear in mind that this figure may not be final as other costs could still be added to the relevant cost code.”

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/deidrebrock/status/1367480656423505933?s=21


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[JeMeSouviens]

Did somebody say breached ministerial code?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/04/priti-patel-reaches-six-figure-settlement-with-ex-home-office-chief-philip-rutnam

[Kato]

Did somebody say breached ministerial code?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/04/priti-patel-reaches-six-figure-settlement-with-ex-home-office-chief-philip-rutnam

Furore akin to tumbleweed from the BBC and tabloids on this one.

[Northernhibee]

Did somebody say breached ministerial code?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/04/priti-patel-reaches-six-figure-settlement-with-ex-home-office-chief-philip-rutnam

It’s not even just daily resigning matters from the Tories now, it’s two or three a day.

[Ozyhibby]

Did somebody say breached ministerial code?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/04/priti-patel-reaches-six-figure-settlement-with-ex-home-office-chief-philip-rutnam

Ross and Davidson will be on TV tonight demanding to see the legal advice on this.[emoji106]


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[weecounty hibby]

You have all got that wrong. I heard Murdo Fraser explain this morning that she hasn't actualy broken the ministerial code because and I quite. " Boris Johnson is the final arbiter of what the code is and he deemed her not to have broken it" unbe****inlievable when youbsee and her that compared to what has gone on in Scotland

[lapsedhibee]

You have all got that wrong. I heard Murdo Fraser explain this morning that she hasn't actualy broken the ministerial code because and I quite. " Boris Johnson is the final arbiter of what the code is and he deemed her not to have broken it" unbe****inlievable when youbsee and her that compared to what has gone on in Scotland

Johnson was quite right not to sack Patel, because if he had it might have undermined public confidence in the office of Home Secretary. He did it for us, see?

[weecounty hibby]

Johnson was quite right not to sack Patel, because if he had it might have undermined public confidence in the office of Home Secretary. He did it for us, see?

He is a great leader!

[JimBHibees]

Furore akin to tumbleweed from the BBC and tabloids on this one.

Government don't accept liability but end up paying up a six figure sum, good one. Absolutely laughable. Corrupt off the scale. As you say the press and particularly BBC will be all over this for sure. Maybe get Sarah Smith or Laura K on the case.

[ballengeich]

Government don't accept liability but end up paying up a six figure sum, good one. Absolutely laughable. Corrupt off the scale. As you say the press and particularly BBC will be all over this for sure. Maybe get Sarah Smith or Laura K on the case.
This might be a bit left-field, but could an opposition MP in Westminster raise the matter?

[Ozyhibby]

This might be a bit left-field, but could an opposition MP in Westminster raise the matter?

You mean a Labour MP? [emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

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A wee reminder that people in England are very happy with the way things are going. If we want something different then we have to vote for independence.


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[The Harp Awakes]

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A wee reminder that people in England are very happy with the way things are going. If we want something different then we have to vote for independence.


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Absolutely incredible stats, when you think about Boris' very low satisfaction ratings over his handling of the pandemic.

Difficult to see how the gap between the Tories and Labour is going to narrow. The Starmer bounce just ain't happening and the UK Labour party looks like following the demise of Scottish Labour. Although not a Labour voter, I find this quite sad, as the UK needs a strong opposition to hold the nasty party to account.

[Hibrandenburg]

Absolutely incredible stats, when you think about Boris' very low satisfaction ratings over his handling of the pandemic.

Difficult to see how the gap between the Tories and Labour is going to narrow. The Starmer bounce just ain't happening and the UK Labour party looks like following the demise of Scottish Labour. Although not a Labour voter, I find this quite sad, as the UK needs a strong opposition to hold the nasty party to account.

It's more Zeitgeist than politics at play. UK politics has taken a massive lurch to the right in the last decade, it's almost as if being right wing has become some kind of fashion statement and academia together with humanitarian values have been replaced with greed, ignorance and hate as virtuosities.

[weecounty hibby]

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I look at polls like that and really have to question why anyone living in Scotland and Wales wouldn't want independence, at the very least just so we aren't governed by a right wing and going further right party for the foreseeable future.

[JimBHibees]

This might be a bit left-field, but could an opposition MP in Westminster raise the matter?

Is that not the reason they are there?

[The Harp Awakes]

I look at polls like that and really have to question why anyone living in Scotland and Wales wouldn't want independence, at the very least just so we aren't governed by a right wing and going further right party for the foreseeable future.

I agree with you. Looking at Scotland specifically, if your politics are liberal/left of centre (probably ~80% of the electorate) then you'd have thought independence must be an attractive option.

There are 2 main obstacles though (1) There is a significant number of that 80% who are working class/have left of centre views, but who are still wedded to royalty/the union - the Rangers minded element if you like. They will never vote for independence even if politically it would benefit them, and (2) Some people are naturally scared of change.

The good news for the independence movement is that there has been a steady increase in the Yes support from ~29% in early 2014 to 50%+ today. I think with the positivity of an indyref2 campaign the Yes lead will increase further.

As has been well recognised, Boris being in power in Westminster has had a galvanising effect on support for independence. The further ahead he gets in the polls the more Scots will turn to independence.

As we head into the May Scottish elections though, the SNP are going to face an onslaught from the unionist parties and right wing media. To obtain a majority at Holyrood they will need to re-group, be united and stay strong throughout the campaign.

[Jack]

Absolutely incredible stats, when you think about Boris' very low satisfaction ratings over his handling of the pandemic.

Difficult to see how the gap between the Tories and Labour is going to narrow. The Starmer bounce just ain't happening and the UK Labour party looks like following the demise of Scottish Labour. Although not a Labour voter, I find this quite sad, as the UK needs a strong opposition to hold the nasty party to account.

I'm pretty sure if Boris Johnson, Prince of Thieves and the torys more generally were properly exposed by the media for what they've done and continue to do then their ratings wouldn't be so high.

[Bostonhibby]

Bozo is completely out his depth when more than a 3 word slogan is required.

Lie or mistake? Both worrying but doubt he or his supporters will bother unless they are directly affected.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210305/7f61dd2006b780c4b30a22a274c71a23.jpg

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[Bostonhibby]

I don't understand why "not true" is in quotation marks there. I get that it's because the Good Law Project actually used those words, but wouldn't it be more normal just to say that the Good Law Project said that Johnson's statement was not true? It's as if the BBC have been told to be very, very, very careful about ever reporting that the govt misspoke without making it clear that it's someone else, not them, making the allegation.

I tend to agree with this but the GLP may have deliberately chosen to word that way, they have been pretty smart at outmanouvering the snakes so far but the BBC is not shy about calling a lie a lie elsewhere when it is consistent with government policy.

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[Bangkok Hibby]

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Wake the **** up Scotland. Grow some bollocks and get the **** out of the ****ed up mess that is Britain

[Ryan91]

So Boris misled Parliament on the whole COVID contracts being on record for the public to see.

I expect we'll have Douglas Ross and Ruth Davidson along any moment now demanding Boris resigns.

:I'm waiti

[hibsbollah]

So Boris misled Parliament on the whole COVID contracts being on record for the public to see.

I expect we'll have Douglas Ross and Ruth Davidson along any moment now demanding Boris resigns.

:I'm waiti

There is nothing on the Guardian or the BBC front pages about the exclusive. Don’t know about The Mirror. Starmer and Rayner are now getting fired in about the Tories on nurses pay to be fair to them, but evident deviousness of this sort about alleged corruption on the part of the PM is a massive prize for an opposition 13 points behind in the polls. What did he say about Hancock resigning? ‘The public don’t want to see that kind of thing’. I don’t know what the **** they’re playing at.

It is literally impossible for people not interested in politics to find out about this stuff. Truth is becoming marginalised.

[Kato]

There is nothing on the Guardian or the BBC front pages about the exclusive. Don’t know about The Mirror. Starmer and Rayner are now getting fired in about the Tories on nurses pay to be fair to them, but evident deviousness of this sort about alleged corruption on the part of the PM is a massive prize for an opposition 13 points behind in the polls. What did he say about Hancock resigning? ‘The public don’t want to see that kind of thing’. I don’t know what the **** they’re playing at.

It is literally impossible for people not interested in politics to find out about this stuff. Truth is becoming marginalised.Tory voters have zero skin in game regarding any lies or financial corruption from their chosen party. They literally do not care one jot about it. Some cheer from the sidelines when the stories do get some oxygen.

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[hibsbollah]

Tory voters have zero skin in game regarding any lies or financial corruption from their chosen party. They literally do not care one jot about it. Some cheer from the sidelines when the stories do get some oxygen.

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I have distant relatives in England who are posting on social media about the nhs underfunding being the fault of too much immigration, and money being spent on foreign aid instead of on pensioners and nurses :dunno:

Try calling them out for their evident racism though, they run away crying in a big explosion of snowflakery.

[Stick]

Nothing on the BBC evening news tonight about Boris lying to parliament as per the high court judgement. It can’t be true then, can it?

[cabbageandribs1875]

get this corrupt mop-headed adulterer tory tramp away tae......:greengrin


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[The Harp Awakes]

Nothing on the BBC evening news tonight about Boris lying to parliament as per the high court judgement. It can’t be true then, can it?

It's like we're living in Belarus or North Korea. The press and media rule the roost so nothing to see here.

[Skol]

I agree with you. Looking at Scotland specifically, if your politics are liberal/left of centre (probably ~80% of the electorate) then you'd have thought independence must be an attractive option.

There are 2 main obstacles though (1) There is a significant number of that 80% who are working class/have left of centre views, but who are still wedded to royalty/the union - the Rangers minded element if you like. They will never vote for independence even if politically it would benefit them, and (2) Some people are naturally scared of change.

The good news for the independence movement is that there has been a steady increase in the Yes support from ~29% in early 2014 to 50%+ today. I think with the positivity of an indyref2 campaign the Yes lead will increase further.

As has been well recognised, Boris being in power in Westminster has had a galvanising effect on support for independence. The further ahead he gets in the polls the more Scots will turn to independence.

As we head into the May Scottish elections though, the SNP are going to face an onslaught from the unionist parties and right wing media. To obtain a majority at Holyrood they will need to re-group, be united and stay strong throughout the campaign.

Your two categories of people who don’t support independence make sone sweeping assumptions.

I don’t fall into the rangers minded category and I also have no issue with change.

I don’t support independence for two main reasons

1) financially as a country we would be worse off with an impact on almost everyone.

2) I don’t believe the current government have done a good job and don’t relish the day they have full control. The alternatives also don’t give me any faith either.

None of the above means I support a try U.K. government though.

[Future17]

With so many things to legitimately criticise the Tories for, I wonder if there's a need to bring the appearance of individuals into it (unless it's actually relevant to how they do their job).

[lapsedhibee]

Notoriety. Write it out 100 times.

:tsk tsk: Nowadays no one seems in the slightest bit care for spelling.

[Smartie]

With so many things to legitimately criticise the Tories for, I wonder if there's a need to bring the appearance of individuals into it (unless it's actually relevant to how they do their job).

Exactly.

It’s lowest common denominator rubbish that we should be better than (I know, I know, “Jimmy Krankie” etc).

The Tories are a corrupt, incompetent open goal right now.

Maybe this is because I don’t mind Ruth Davidson that much? There are things I disagree with her on but there’s a lot I agree with her on.

Post-independence Scotland would be richer for someone eloquently carrying forward a centre right message against the grain of the public, even if only to make a fully informed choice to not vote for them. Davidson is capable of doing this, even if she’s been swallowed up by having to use little more than British nationalism in recent years.

[degenerated]

Exactly.

It’s lowest common denominator rubbish that we should be better than (I know, I know, “Jimmy Krankie” etc).

The Tories are a corrupt, incompetent own goal right now.

Maybe this is because I don’t mind Ruth Davidson that much? There are things I disagree with her on but there’s a lot I agree with her on.

Post-independence Scotland would be richer for someone eloquently carrying forward a centre right message against the grain of the public, even if only to make a fully informed choice to not vote for them. Davidson is capable of doing this, even if she’s been swallowed up by having to use little more than British nationalism in recent years.There's a lot of things where everyone, everywhere has agreed with Ruth Davidson at some point, it's actually impossible for that not to be the case given the way she changes her views and standpoints.

Ruth Davidson is, for me, what is wrong with politics in that the only thing she is interested in in is Ruth Davidson. Principles, beliefs and policies are completely fluid as long as it gets her where she wants to be.

[StevieC]

Your two categories of people who don’t support independence make sone sweeping assumptions.

I don’t fall into the rangers minded category and I also have no issue with change.

I don’t support independence for two main reasons

Agreed, it was a sweeping assumption. There are many reasons that people may be against Independence. Work, personal circumstances, financial investements, fear of one of many potential issues. Also just as many reasons that a lot of people are genuinely for Independence, not just flag waving “freedom” fighters.

It is the job of either side to convince the other that their point of view is more valid and Scotland, and life, would be better in their scenario.


1) financially as a country we would be worse off with an impact on almost everyone.

Firstly, I think you need to replace “would” with “could”.
Scotland is a resource rich country, and whilst there “could” be short term financial losses, I personally have no doubt that we would be no worse off financially in the long term.
My main worry with staying is that the sort of government that runs us from London would have no qualms about running us dry and then ditching us when we became a burden. Look at the way they treat the northern areas of England, do you think Scotland would fair any better if there was no longer any oil? Currently they have created a “levelling up” fund to combat poverty, but instead of the funding going to Glasgow, where it’s most needed, it’s going to Tory held border areas. It’s exactly the same in England.
The “too small, too poor” train of thought doesn’t resonate with me, I genuinely believe we are big enough and rich enough to thrive.


2) I don’t believe the current government have done a good job and don’t relish the day they have full control. The alternatives also don’t give me any faith either.

Personally, when it comes to Independence, I compare how the two governments have performed in comparison to each other, rather than pick fault with either. Regardless of what policies you agree or disagree with, Independence is a straight choice between one or the other. Whilst there may be failings in some areas, I think it’s important to compare to decide whether one route or the other would provide a better outcome. It’s all well and good to say that the government has failed on this thing or that thing, but has the alternative faired any better under similar circumstances?
If you say the Scottish Government has failed in the SNHS, has the UK government done any better? (And that’s putting aside the stealth privatisation of the NHS). Has it faired any worse in education? Has it faired any worse when dealing with this pandemic?
Yes governments make mistakes, they always have and they always will, but for me the Independence argument is not about how well a government is performing in its own right, it’s about how well it’s performing against the alternative.
I see people down south envious of things like free prescriptions, free education, no bedroom tax, and even the cost of water! Some of them even think that they are paying for these benefits!!

It’s possible that in the short term there could be financial restraints, and I may not get to see any benefits in my lifetime, but I’d like to see a progressive forward thinking Scotland being forged for/by my children and their children.

[Bostonhibby]

There's a lot of things where everyone, everywhere has agreed with Ruth Davidson at some point, it's actually impossible for that not to be the case given the way she changes her views and standpoints.

Ruth Davidson is, for me, what is wrong with politics in that the only thing she is interested in in is Ruth Davidson. Principles, beliefs and policies are completely fluid as long as it gets her where she wants to be.

This sums up Davidson for me, her being that type of character and carrying that reputation around would normally be a big enough cross to bear. The sort of abuse we're seeing here isn't needed.

Seems to be a Farage type political figure needing the attention and trying to be relevant.



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[Ozyhibby]

Agreed, it was a sweeping assumption. There are many reasons that people may be against Independence. Work, personal circumstances, financial investements, fear of one of many potential issues. Also just as many reasons that a lot of people are genuinely for Independence, not just flag waving “freedom” fighters.

It is the job of either side to convince the other that their point of view is more valid and Scotland, and life, would be better in their scenario.



Firstly, I think you need to replace “would” with “could”.
Scotland is a resource rich country, and whilst there “could” be short term financial losses, I personally have no doubt that we would be no worse off financially in the long term.
My main worry with staying is that the sort of government that runs us from London would have no qualms about running us dry and then ditching us when we became a burden. Look at the way they treat the northern areas of England, do you think Scotland would fair any better if there was no longer any oil? Currently they have created a “levelling up” fund to combat poverty, but instead of the funding going to Glasgow, where it’s most needed, it’s going to Tory held border areas. It’s exactly the same in England.
The “too small, too poor” train of thought doesn’t resonate with me, I genuinely believe we are big enough and rich enough to thrive.



Personally, when it comes to Independence, I compare how the two governments have performed in comparison to each other, rather than pick fault with either. Regardless of what policies you agree or disagree with, Independence is a straight choice between one or the other. Whilst there may be failings in some areas, I think it’s important to compare to decide whether one route or the other would provide a better outcome. It’s all well and good to say that the government has failed on this thing or that thing, but has the alternative faired any better under similar circumstances?
If you say the Scottish Government has failed in the SNHS, has the UK government done any better? (And that’s putting aside the stealth privatisation of the NHS). Has it faired any worse in education? Has it faired any worse when dealing with this pandemic?
Yes governments make mistakes, they always have and they always will, but for me the Independence argument is not about how well a government is performing in its own right, it’s about how well it’s performing against the alternative.
I see people down south envious of things like free prescriptions, free education, no bedroom tax, and even the cost of water! Some of them even think that they are paying for these benefits!!

It’s possible that in the short term there could be financial restraints, and I may not get to see any benefits in my lifetime, but I’d like to see a progressive forward thinking Scotland being forged for/by my children and their children.

You only have to look around us. The only two small European countries near us which are poorer are Wales and Northern Ireland. All the independent ones are richer and enjoy a higher standard of living. That surely can’t be a coincidence. And there is no plan from Westminster to change that. They really don’t care about it.


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[Ozyhibby]

There's a lot of things where everyone, everywhere has agreed with Ruth Davidson at some point, it's actually impossible for that not to be the case given the way she changes her views and standpoints.

Ruth Davidson is, for me, what is wrong with politics in that the only thing she is interested in in is Ruth Davidson. Principles, beliefs and policies are completely fluid as long as it gets her where she wants to be.

Has Ruth davidson ever had a policy other that wrapping herself in a union flag for a photo shoot and angrily shouting at fmq’s?


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[CropleyWasGod]

:tsk tsk: Nowadays no one seems in the slightest bit care for spelling.

Yup. I, for one, revel in my ability to spell misogyny correctly.

And that's twice this morning. **** you, predictive text.

Edit... just the once now. Admins deleted the first one. The pricks.

[Hibrandenburg]

You only have to look around us. The only two small European countries near us which are poorer are Wales and Northern Ireland. All the independent ones are richer and enjoy a higher standard of living. That surely can’t be a coincidence. And there is no plan from Westminster to change that. They really don’t care about it.


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Do you have a source for this Ozzy?

[Ozyhibby]

Do you have a source for this Ozzy?

https://www.prosperity.com/rankings

Scotland doesn’t get its own ranking but surely we can assume we are below the level the UK is at. All our independent neighbours are above us. Not sure how they manage this without the broad shoulders of the UK though?


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.prosperity.com/rankings

Scotland doesn’t get its own ranking but surely we can assume we are below the level the UK is at. All our independent neighbours are above us. Not sure how they manage this without the broad shoulders of the UK though?


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OK thanks. Combined with the same type table of prosperity for individual UK countries within the UK, it's a pretty damning picture.

[Ozyhibby]

OK thanks. Combined with the same type table of prosperity for individual UK countries within the UK, it's a pretty damning picture.

How any unionist can possibly claim we are incapable of matching those countries is beyond me. Do they think so little of themselves? Are we genetically inferior? I really struggle to understand sometimes why there is such a lack of ambition for our country among some people?


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[degenerated]

How any unionist can possibly claim we are incapable of matching those countries is beyond me. Do they think so little of themselves? Are we genetically inferior? I really struggle to understand sometimes why there is such a lack of ambition for our country among some people?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/nBH55ZeZU4w

Easy to see why Labour are struggling so badly.[emoji23]


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[lapsedhibee]

https://youtu.be/nBH55ZeZU4w

Lamont's had a shocker there.

[Smartie]

How any unionist can possibly claim we are incapable of matching those countries is beyond me. Do they think so little of themselves? Are we genetically inferior? I really struggle to understand sometimes why there is such a lack of ambition for our country among some people?


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Part of the reason is inequality in Scotland.

Level it all out and take the country as a whole and we’re struggling.

That doesn’t take into account how good life is here for some. There have always been a relatively small number of people doing very nicely under the status quo in Scotland. If you live in a huge house worth millions, can afford to bypass our health and education systems by paying privately... why would you vote for change? The Tories were considered to have been “wiped out” in Scotland, yet their vote has always held up at a solid 15% or so.

Then you have those somewhere in the middle who can be easily terrified into thinking that the only change available is to sink to the bottom of society. Scots are horrendous for tolerating stuff out of fear of it possibly being worse, so we have a decent number who can be easily frightened, especially older folk.

Some people’s position I can understand. Some I cannot fathom.

[hibsbollah]

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Gordon Strachan has really let himself go.

[Ozyhibby]

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[degenerated]

Gordon Strachan has really let himself go.:hilarious:

[cabbageandribs1875]

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https://www.fda.org.uk/home/Newsandmedia/News/13-pay-deal-for-HMRC-members.aspx

No criticism of the union that got this pay settlement for its members, but maybe an indication of the type of deal that would have sat well with many.

You would have thought that a competent opposition leader would know about these things and at least put it up for comparison. There will always be calls that it is too little but the idea of your salary rising by an eighth over 3 years would satisfy many


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[EI255]

This sums up Davidson for me, her being that type of character and carrying that reputation around would normally be a big enough cross to bear. The sort of abuse we're seeing here isn't needed.

Seems to be a Farage type political figure needing the attention and trying to be relevant.



Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkShe simply couldn't handle it when Nic fired back at her on Friday inside the Parliament. Was a joy to watch her face.

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[CloudSquall]

BBC journalist goes off script, thoughts and prayers once the big boses find out,

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1368513604476080129

[Glory Lurker]

BBC journalist goes off script, thoughts and prayers once the big boses find out,

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1368513604476080129

We owe it to ourselves? We're really all jambos? Hell, I was in favour of independence before but this has turbo boosted that!

[One Day Soon]

We owe it to ourselves? We're really all jambos? Hell, I was in favour of independence before but this has turbo boosted that!


Never mind that, I want to know how many World Cup stars the UK is buying and what Scotland's Barnett share of those is going to be.

On a more serious note, if we don't park this COVID related debt as VERY long term debt (50 to 100) years then we are out of our minds. Even with it we're not in a bad fiscal state. Our dry fiscal reputation and record means that we could announce we were going to restore the finances on that element over the longer term and the money markets would barely bat an eyelid as long as it was clear we were serious about it. Try that as Argentina or whatever and you're toast, do it as the UK and you're fine.

[Jack]

We owe it to ourselves? We're really all jambos? Hell, I was in favour of independence before but this has turbo boosted that!

Its what all big countries do.

[wookie70]

https://www.fda.org.uk/home/Newsandmedia/News/13-pay-deal-for-HMRC-members.aspx

No criticism of the union that got this pay settlement for its members, but maybe an indication of the type of deal that would have sat well with many.

You would have thought that a competent opposition leader would know about these things and at least put it up for comparison. There will always be calls that it is too little but the idea of your salary rising by an eighth over 3 years would satisfy many


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They are Unions for Senior Civil Servants. Maybe easier to accept changes of terms and conditions when you are the boss. I don't like pay deals that take hard earned terms and conditions. They usually come along after a decade of pay restraint when workers are desperate and have no choice to vote for them. They very often regret it down the line as is the case with many of DWP

[Moulin Yarns]

They are Unions for Senior Civil Servants. Maybe easier to accept changes of terms and conditions when you are the boss. I don't like pay deals that take hard earned terms and conditions. They usually come along after a decade of pay restraint when workers are desperate and have no choice to vote for them. They very often regret it down the line as is the case with many of DWP

WOW. I wonder why that isn't splashed across all the front pages on Monday.

[lord bunberry]

Wow, this is what the Tory party has done to this country
https://twitter.com/alaniow/status/1368701444459802631?s=21

[DaveF]

Wow, this is what the Tory party has done to this country
https://twitter.com/alaniow/status/1368701444459802631?s=21

That is a genuine jaw dropping clip. Never mind Morgan and co spending hours blathering about Harry and Meghan, this is the real story. Horrendous.

[hibsbollah]

That is a genuine jaw dropping clip. Never mind Morgan and co spending hours blathering about Harry and Meghan, this is the real story. Horrendous.

I’m sharing that widely.

It feels a lot like 1981, not 2021. Lots on here won’t remember it, but it feels like similar times. The difference being that then the sitting Tory Thatcher government was massively unpopular, Michael Foots Labour and then the SDP were rocking big polling leads for months at a time. Then the Falklands came along and everything changed. Now the Tories seem untouchable in midterm and no one wants to know why millions of families can’t feed their kids.

[lord bunberry]

That is a genuine jaw dropping clip. Never mind Morgan and co spending hours blathering about Harry and Meghan, this is the real story. Horrendous.
It really is. I think the UK are something like the 6th richest country in the world and we have people queuing for food because they can’t afford to buy it themselves. The generosity of others is what’s keeping people alive while the government are awarding billions to their mates. It’s scandalous.

[Hibrandenburg]

I’m sharing that widely.

It feels a lot like 1981, not 2021. Lots on here won’t remember it, but it feels like similar times. The difference being that then the sitting Tory Thatcher government was massively unpopular, Michael Foots Labour and then the SDP were rocking big polling leads for months at a time. Then the Falklands came along and everything changed. Now the Tories seem untouchable in midterm and no one wants to know why millions of families can’t feed their kids.

Reading some of the replies to that tweet just underlines why the Tories are allowed to get away with it.

[H18S NX]

Wow, this is what the Tory party has done to this country
https://twitter.com/alaniow/status/1368701444459802631?s=21....That is absolutely tragic,a disgrace in this day and age.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Reading some of the replies to that tweet just underlines why the Tories are allowed to get away with it.

Enough brits are selfish, arrogant, unfeeling, gullible pieces of excrement that this and other crimes against the population will continue and get worse for a very long time.
How will the streets look when there's no NHS and the state pension age is raised to whatever age the advisors tell them poor people will be dead by?
Britain...a ****ing mess of a country. Those who think they are comfortable just now need to be looking over their shoulders.

[Keith_M]

But we can't give poor people a Universal Income as they'd just spend it on drugs.

Tory London Mayor Candidate Shaun Bailey said it (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/people-would-blow-universal-basic-23593556), so it must be true.

[Callyballybe]

https://youtu.be/nBH55ZeZU4w


Wow! Surprised I haven't come across this before.

If we're not genetically programmed to make political decisions, then how was she in a job?

[ACLeith]

WOW. I wonder why that isn't splashed across all the front pages on Monday.
Today is a perfect day to bury bad or controversial news. Coincidence anyone?

[Mr Grieves]

A Selection of Misleading Statements Made by Boris Johnson & Ministers on the Floor of the House of Commons
July 2019 – December 2020

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/03/11/a-selection-of-misleading-statements-made-by-boris-johnson-and-ministers-on-the-floor-of-the-house-of-commons-july-2019-december-2020/


“It is of paramount importance that Ministers give accurate and truthful information to Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity. Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister.”

Ministerial Code


There's been enough lies in the last 3 weeks for the next chapter:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Nadine Dorries (again) :faf:

https://twitter.com/MyGineration/status/1369958952096702464

[cabbageandribs1875]

“MASK HAS SLIPPED” AS TORY CANDIDATE ATTACKS NHS & PUBLIC SECTOR STAFF

TORY CANDIDATE SLAMMED FOR ‘GROSSLY INAPPROPRIATE’ MESSAGES

The SNP has said the “Tory mask has slipped” ahead of the Holyrood election in May - after a Tory candidate was slammed for attacking the pay of the NHS staff and vital frontline workers keeping Scotland safe during the pandemic.

Sue Webber, who is the Tory candidate for Edinburgh Western, praised the decision to freeze public sector pay, saying it was “about time” and that she “was thinking about a vote-winning policy called salary sacrifice where they only get 80 per cent and have to struggle like the others on furlough.”

She also claimed that “media and many politicians” were “creating panic and fear" over COVID-19 and appeared to play down the pandemic, saying “people die…more people die in winter.”

Tory activists labelled the messages as “proper nasty Tory stuff” and revealed that party bosses ignored concerns about the candidate being placed in second place on the Tories’ Lothian region list.

SNP candidate for Edinburgh Central Angus Robertson said:

“To see a Tory candidate suggest docking the pay of all those who have been on the frontline keeping public services going during this pandemic is a disgrace.
"Frontline workers have been working day-in day-out to keep Scotland safe from COVID-19, and Ms Webber's attempt to downplay the fight against this virus does a total disservice to them.

“It is no surprise a person with these toxic views is standing for the party of Boris Johnson and Douglas Ross, it speaks volumes about the Tories.

“The Tory mask has well and truly slipped and the party has a duty to address these comments. It's hard to see how Ms Webber can now remain as a candidate.

“This is the most important election in Scotland’s history, and it comes down to a stark choice – who should decide the country’s future. Should it be the people of Scotland or Boris Johnson?"



nasty tory ****, i despise the *******s

[Northernhibee]

“MASK HAS SLIPPED” AS TORY CANDIDATE ATTACKS NHS & PUBLIC SECTOR STAFF

TORY CANDIDATE SLAMMED FOR ‘GROSSLY INAPPROPRIATE’ MESSAGES

The SNP has said the “Tory mask has slipped” ahead of the Holyrood election in May - after a Tory candidate was slammed for attacking the pay of the NHS staff and vital frontline workers keeping Scotland safe during the pandemic.

Sue Webber, who is the Tory candidate for Edinburgh Western, praised the decision to freeze public sector pay, saying it was “about time” and that she “was thinking about a vote-winning policy called salary sacrifice where they only get 80 per cent and have to struggle like the others on furlough.”

She also claimed that “media and many politicians” were “creating panic and fear" over COVID-19 and appeared to play down the pandemic, saying “people die…more people die in winter.”

Tory activists labelled the messages as “proper nasty Tory stuff” and revealed that party bosses ignored concerns about the candidate being placed in second place on the Tories’ Lothian region list.

SNP candidate for Edinburgh Central Angus Robertson said:

“To see a Tory candidate suggest docking the pay of all those who have been on the frontline keeping public services going during this pandemic is a disgrace.
"Frontline workers have been working day-in day-out to keep Scotland safe from COVID-19, and Ms Webber's attempt to downplay the fight against this virus does a total disservice to them.

“It is no surprise a person with these toxic views is standing for the party of Boris Johnson and Douglas Ross, it speaks volumes about the Tories.

“The Tory mask has well and truly slipped and the party has a duty to address these comments. It's hard to see how Ms Webber can now remain as a candidate.

“This is the most important election in Scotland’s history, and it comes down to a stark choice – who should decide the country’s future. Should it be the people of Scotland or Boris Johnson?"



nasty tory ****, i despise the *******s




Further evidence that it's Tory policy to starve the working classes.

[Kato]

Sue Webber, who is the Tory candidate for Edinburgh Western, praised the decision to freeze public sector pay, saying it was “about time” and that she “was thinking about a vote-winning policy called salary sacrifice where they only get 80 per cent and have to struggle like the others on furlough.


She's only doing her job. Tory voters love this rhetoric and the actions which back them up.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Further evidence that it's Tory policy to starve the working classes.


and their's more to come when they start picking away at those human rights we had whilst in the EU, and start putting the judges they want in...much like that ex-president started doing across the pond


She's only doing her job. Tory voters love this rhetoric and the actions which back them up.


it's those i find the most detestable, it's them that put/keep the gits in power in the first place, the nasty tory MP's/MSP's are only doing what their nasty voters want at the end of the day :agree:

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1370023288143945732?s=19

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[hibsbollah]

More Cock Inn revelations.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/11/covid-test-kit-supplier-joked-matt-hancock-whatsapp-never-heard-of-him-alex-bourne

[wookie70]

She's only doing her job. Tory voters love this rhetoric and the actions which back them up. There were plenty Civil Servants on furlough too. She is just a vile person aka a typical Tory

[cabbageandribs1875]

lord knows what this is all about ...tories are a bad BAD bunch that's for sure

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/159788905_476957666771180_6133390420794941615_o.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=JJc8DV3ico0AX_uivhv&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=a144407f16f4ada78cc186712582a323&oe=6070BFE1

[lapsedhibee]

lord knows what this is all about ...

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/159788905_476957666771180_6133390420794941615_o.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=JJc8DV3ico0AX_uivhv&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=a144407f16f4ada78cc186712582a323&oe=6070BFE1

It's about the UK unilaterally varying the terms of an international agreement, because they didn't realise that signing it had consequences. Now, lots more chances for the Express to think up witty headlines about how stroppy the EU are, and how great it is to have escaped.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's about the UK unilaterally varying the terms of an international agreement, because they didn't realise that signing it had consequences. Now, lots more chances for the Express to think up witty headlines about how stroppy the EU are, and how great it is to have escaped.


i must admit to shaking my head in disbelief at the outrageous childlike headlines that the daily express conjure up on a daily basis, absolutely hilarious, no wonder it was on sale for only 15p pretty recently, they seriously hate the EU as well as independence for Scotland... the daily comic

[cabbageandribs1875]

well said Dr Whae :)

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/160128966_10159339366937387_3408702481428467358_n. jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=8Kg8Ek1o8dgAX-qE_a7&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=cbefcbc5bf8485bc65bb17a0ec8707cb&oe=6071B7AA

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm not sure astonishing is the apt word i should use for this PoS Tory...

Tory MP branded 'callous' after claiming £1 expenses for parking to visit food bank - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mp-branded-callous-after-23701526)


A Tory MP has been accused of “callousness” after he claimed £1 on expenses for a visit to a food bank.
Royston Smith, the MP for Southampton Itchen, registered a claim to pay for car parking during a food bank visit in November last year, according to official records.

[wookie70]

i'm not sure astonishing is the apt word i should use for this PoS Tory...

Tory MP branded 'callous' after claiming £1 expenses for parking to visit food bank - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mp-branded-callous-after-23701526)


A Tory MP has been accused of “callousness” after he claimed £1 on expenses for a visit to a food bank.
Royston Smith, the MP for Southampton Itchen, registered a claim to pay for car parking during a food bank visit in November last year, according to official records.




Predictable would be the obvious word to me

[lapsedhibee]

i'm not sure astonishing is the apt word i should use for this PoS Tory...

Tory MP branded 'callous' after claiming £1 expenses for parking to visit food bank - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mp-branded-callous-after-23701526)


A Tory MP has been accused of “callousness” after he claimed £1 on expenses for a visit to a food bank.
Royston Smith, the MP for Southampton Itchen, registered a claim to pay for car parking during a food bank visit in November last year, according to official records.




Non-story imo. If he'd eaten £1 worth of their food, which as a consequence couldn't get to someone else more in need, that would be bad. Claiming expenses in the course of your work, probably #319891304379361493 on a list of what's most troubling about what current Tories are up to.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/14/conservatives-party-england-tories-populists?CMP=twt_gu&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=&__twitter_impression=true

Tories turning into England’s party? Has been for last 50 years anyway.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

wonder if we will get more PR from her and her other half to clap for the NHS...just as well she has lots of security, that should keep Covid away from her

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/160925386_4030027573714349_5949980420995450592_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ItS0uHKnyrUAX9i3Lni&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=e92b5ee8a7a3b29c711af1aee54ed053&oe=60749538

[cabbageandribs1875]

Predictable would be the obvious word to me


true, it's quite obscene obscene


Non-story imo. If he'd eaten £1 worth of their food, which as a consequence couldn't get to someone else more in need, that would be bad. Claiming expenses in the course of your work, probably #319891304379361493 on a list of what's most troubling about what current Tories are up to.


we've probably all saw photos of PR stunts by tories down south visiting local foodbanks, whilst those using said foodbank appear to be grateful to the tory MP for visiting them...it's Bizarre

[lapsedhibee]

those using said foodbank appear to be grateful to the tory MP for visiting them...it's Bizarre

:agree:

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000t8td/panorama-cashing-in-on-covid

Tonight’s panorama.


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[CropleyWasGod]

And now this.

BBC News - Integrated review: UK to lift cap on nuclear stockpile
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56413920

[Ozyhibby]

And now this.

BBC News - Integrated review: UK to lift cap on nuclear stockpile
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56413920

Spending billions of pounds on something that, if it’s ever fired, will mean I’m dead. [emoji849]


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[Killiehibbie]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/downing-street-boris-johnson-press-room-itv-henry-hoover-b924260.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=homepage_banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3

Must be a lot of hidden costs on that project

[Callum_62]

Wrong topic

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[Bristolhibby]

Non-story imo. If he'd eaten £1 worth of their food, which as a consequence couldn't get to someone else more in need, that would be bad. Claiming expenses in the course of your work, probably #319891304379361493 on a list of what's most troubling about what current Tories are up to.

Yea, I never understand these things. If I have to go to say London for work, the company pays for my train fair, underground in London, my car parking at the train station and lunch while I’m in London. If I have to work late I can get a snack in the evening on the way back.

Don’t see a problem claiming carpark fees back. They are reasonable business expenses.

Duck houses and moats getting dredged is another thing entirely.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

coming to a country near you :agree:


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/161621617_1642184892635823_4159180602919095861_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=5QwE6siPcUAAX9auIoR&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=7f66c1618845add4d80df6532d40d12c&oe=6076F4DB

[CropleyWasGod]

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/raab-trade-deals-human-rights_uk_6050d75bc5b605256ebeaca6

[Santa Cruz]

wonder if we will get more PR from her and her other half to clap for the NHS...just as well she has lots of security, that should keep Covid away from her

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/160925386_4030027573714349_5949980420995450592_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ItS0uHKnyrUAX9i3Lni&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=e92b5ee8a7a3b29c711af1aee54ed053&oe=60749538
I don't understand what this post means?

[lapsedhibee]

I don't understand what this post means?

Possibly pointing to the unmaskedness of Her Kateship. Maybe a royal aura surrounding her will be protection enough for herself and the others pictured.

[Santa Cruz]

Possibly pointing to the unmaskedness of Her Kateship. Maybe a royal aura surrounding her will be protection enough for herself and the others pictured.

Ok but nobody is required to wear a mask outdoors and having protection didn't really work for her husband or his Dad. Apart from that, still no sure why it's on a Tory thread, but thanks for explaining.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Possibly pointing to the unmaskedness of Her Kateship. Maybe a royal aura surrounding her will be protection enough for herself and the others pictured.

self-explanatory :)

[Bostonhibby]

Spending billions of pounds on something that, if it’s ever fired, will mean I’m dead. [emoji849]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYou'll be fine because Matt Matt Hancock's pub landlord just happens to be an expert in this sort of thing as well.

So after a fair and transparent process using the Covid emergency powers he will unilaterally be awarded billions to overhaul the UK's entire nuclear programme.

Part time obviously as he's got a pub and a PPE business to run as well.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

John McDonnell MP on Twitter: "Universal credit to be cut by £20 a week, nurses face a pay cut & the numbers living in destitution doubles but Johnson spends £2.6 million to make himself look good on tv in press briefings. Symbolises all you need to know about this sickening narcissist. https://t.co/Qc8HJuLqbY" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1371620520085573632)


well said Labour dude :agree: Johnson, son of Trump


love the comment from the lassie kathie bennett, very apt indeed, the jackboots are coming

[cabbageandribs1875]

didn't read about this in the Tor..i mean British news, True, or Fake news ? :greengrin i've thought for a good while now Westminster would try do a deal with Spain...Gibralter for Spain knocking back an independent Scotland getting entry to the EU, news which of course would break just a few days before indy2

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/160957888_891078778345623_1610194303615371453_o.jp g?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=6UkP1PLWEusAX8Di-UN&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=c1cbec8489e93844e31840f5bc656062&oe=60754E95

[Ozyhibby]

didn't read about this in the Tor..i mean British news, True, or Fake news ? :greengrin i've thought for a good while now Westminster would try do a deal with Spain...Gibralter for Spain knocking back an independent Scotland getting entry to the EU, news which of course would break just a few days before indy2

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/160957888_891078778345623_1610194303615371453_o.jp g?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=6UkP1PLWEusAX8Di-UN&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=c1cbec8489e93844e31840f5bc656062&oe=60754E95

Eu citizens can now travel passport free to Gibraltar while UK citizens will have their passport checked.


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[Callum_62]

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/03/16/conservative-donors-firm-surpasses-200-million-in-covid-19-contracts/

Some coincidence that these tory donors happen to be the best business in there field for these deals

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[Bristolhibby]

didn't read about this in the Tor..i mean British news, True, or Fake news ? :greengrin i've thought for a good while now Westminster would try do a deal with Spain...Gibralter for Spain knocking back an independent Scotland getting entry to the EU, news which of course would break just a few days before indy2

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/160957888_891078778345623_1610194303615371453_o.jp g?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=6UkP1PLWEusAX8Di-UN&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=c1cbec8489e93844e31840f5bc656062&oe=60754E95

My take on that one is the opposite. The Gibraltarians are another country that have got what they voted for. 99% voted remain, this allows them to de facto remain.

If a few Brits going there on holiday so be it.

Genuine question, how does the 90 days in the Schengen without a visa work if I go to Gibraltar?

J

[Hibrandenburg]

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/03/16/conservative-donors-firm-surpasses-200-million-in-covid-19-contracts/

Some coincidence that these tory donors happen to be the best business in there field for these deals

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Did you watch the last Panorama? My take on it was that the whole PPE shortage last year was manufactured so that the government could create a list of 47 companies to throw money at to solve a problem that they had created. The government have admitted there was a list of preferred companies but refuse to name them. And all that time there were UK companies that had PPE equipment in storage and available who were completely ignored despite them having informed the government that they had equipment that was good to go.