Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[JeMeSouviens]

There is no difference between a non-deal Brexit on WTO terms and a deal Brexit of any sort? How is it possible to know that before the nature of any deal is confirmed?

Because of the parameters of any deal on offer - outside CU, completely outside SM and all that entails. You can't just redefine the term "hard Brexit" to mean something politically convenient for Nat bashing. You might as well start talking about an "Australia deal". :rolleyes:

The choice is between a very hard Brexit or a no deal Brexit.

[JimBHibees]

Didn't he get found out to have organised the rent-a-mob himself?

Yep something definitely smelt with the egg story :greengrin

[Keith_M]

The detail of a final deal - or no deal at all - should be a bitter harvest for people who voted for Brexit and especially for those Tories who actively led the campaign and are now in power. Whether they’ll pay a political price is another question.

It will be interesting to see the Nationalist and Brexiteer responses here too. Nats will choose between supporting a deal (if one is on the table) which will have to include some kind of give and take on fishing or not supporting a deal which is the same as supporting a hard Brexit. Tough moral and political choice. And for the almost 40% of Scots who voted for Brexit, I wonder what they are thinking now?


You must have a pretty unhealthy level of dislike for the 'nats', if you're trying to link them in some way to a deal between Johnson and the EU... over which they have no influence whatsoever.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yep something definitely smelt with the egg story :greengrin

Enough 😉

[One Day Soon]

You must have a pretty unhealthy level of dislike for the 'nats', if you're trying to link them in some way to a deal between Johnson and the EU... over which they have no influence whatsoever.


They have a healthy sized parliamentary group that may have to choose between voting for whatever deal might emerge or alternatively voting for no deal at all. It's not like the link is in some way mysterious, it's literally their job as parliamentarians to vote on stuff like this. If the no deal option involves maximum fishing rights but little else and the deal option brings some kind of easier market access and better business continuity than would otherwise be the case but a poorer deal on fishing quotas then which do they go for?

Leaving aside the politically loaded terms of hard and soft Brexit, they may still have to choose. As in fact will Labour and the Lib-Dems.

[Keith_M]

They have a healthy sized parliamentary group that may have to choose between voting for whatever deal might emerge or alternatively voting for no deal at all. It's not like the link is in some way mysterious, it's literally their job as parliamentarians to vote on stuff like this. If the no deal option involves maximum fishing rights but little else and the deal option brings some kind of easier market access and better business continuity than would otherwise be the case but a poorer deal on fishing quotas then which do they go for?

Leaving aside the politically loaded terms of hard and soft Brexit, they may still have to choose. As in fact will Labour and the Lib-Dems.



This is very much a situation, though, where I have a lot of sympathy for all opposition parties, as they're in a situation where they're 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'.

Labour, for instance, have been getting it in the neck from some quarters on whether they should vote on proposals made by the government over which their vote would have no influence whatsoever. Yes, No, or Abstain, they get attacked regardless.

I think this is exactly the same, where some people will have a level of outrage at opposition parties, no matter the outcome, when this is all of the Tory government's own making.

[Kato]

And for the almost 40% of Scots who voted for Brexit, I wonder what they are thinking now?

?

"I live near a 5G mast so I refuse to be injected with Bill Gates' vaccine."

"There's nothing wrong with having a house party during a global pandemic."

"Masks don't work."

"I hope Celtic don't sack Lennon."



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[Keith_M]

?

"I live near a 5G mast so I refuse to be injected with Bill Gates' vaccine."

"There's nothing wrong with having a house party during a global pandemic."

"Masks don't work."

"I hope Celtic don't sack Lennon."

...


"Wee Arra Peepul!"

[One Day Soon]

This is very much a situation, though, where I have a lot of sympathy for all opposition parties, as they're in a situation where they're 'damned f they do, damned if they don't'.

Labour, for instance, have been getting it in the neck from some quarters on whether they should vote on proposals made by the government over which their vote would have no influence whatsoever. Yes, No, or Abstain, they get attacked regardless.

I think this is exactly the same, where some people will have a level of outrage at opposition parties, no matter the outcome, when this is all of the Tory government's own making.


I have zero sympathy for any them, it's politics not primary school and if they can't cope with this kind of challenge then they shouldn't be in the game. Any of them. The Tories actively wanted this irrational madness, Labour were deliberately ambivalent about it at best and my understanding is that the SNP spent less on the entire anti-Brexit referendum campaign than they did on last year's Shetland by-election.

[marinello59]

And for the almost 40% of Scots who voted for Brexit, I wonder what they are thinking now?

I thought we were all pretending that they didn’t exist. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

I have zero sympathy for any them, it's politics not primary school and if they can't cope with this kind of challenge then they shouldn't be in the game. Any of them. The Tories actively wanted this irrational madness, Labour were deliberately ambivalent about it at best and my understanding is that the SNP spent less on the entire anti-Brexit referendum campaign than they did on last year's Shetland by-election.



OK, I'll just just put you down as "someone with rather extreme views and possibly a bit p1ssed off at the moment".

[One Day Soon]

OK, I'll just just put you down as "someone with rather extreme views and possibly a bit p1ssed off at the moment".

Well, none of it is untrue is it?

[One Day Soon]

I thought we were all pretending that they didn’t exist. :greengrin

Or that they all have season tickets for Greyskull...

[Bostonhibby]

"Wee Arra Peepul!"Can we keep the Small Arrow People out of this please?

They are a perfectly respectable indigenous tribe, and not to be confused with the uncivilsed neanderthal like creature that roam large parts of modern day Scotland.
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[lapsedhibee]

They have a healthy sized parliamentary group that may have to choose between voting for whatever deal might emerge or alternatively voting for no deal at all. It's not like the link is in some way mysterious, it's literally their job as parliamentarians to vote on stuff like this. If the no deal option involves maximum fishing rights but little else and the deal option brings some kind of easier market access and better business continuity than would otherwise be the case but a poorer deal on fishing quotas then which do they go for?

Leaving aside the politically loaded terms of hard and soft Brexit, they may still have to choose. As in fact will Labour and the Lib-Dems.

If Bunter fails to charm Von der Leyen and comes back not waving a bit of paper, what would the nats be voting on? :confused:

[Hibrandenburg]

I have zero sympathy for any them, it's politics not primary school and if they can't cope with this kind of challenge then they shouldn't be in the game. Any of them. The Tories actively wanted this irrational madness, Labour were deliberately ambivalent about it at best and my understanding is that the SNP spent less on the entire anti-Brexit referendum campaign than they did on last year's Shetland by-election.

So you were unclear where the SNP stood on Brexit?

[Keith_M]

So you were unclear where the SNP stood on Brexit?


Don't try to reason with him, it's a total waste of time.

[marinello59]

So you were unclear where the SNP stood on Brexit?

I’m struggling to see where ODS said that. He does seem to be accusing the SNP of failing to commit enough resources to the Remain campaign but that is true of nearly everybody on the remain side, victory was assumed.

[Hibrandenburg]

I’m struggling to see where ODS said that. He does seem to be accusing the SNP of failing to commit enough resources to the Remain campaign but that is true of nearly everybody on the remain side, victory was assumed.

I'm at a loss to see how the SNP could have done more to persuade people to vote against Brexit, their message was clear and constant. Throwing money at it wouldn't have made much if any difference, the vast majority of SNP voters voted to stay and in Scotland, the only country in the UK that the SNP hold seats, the electorate voted clearly to stay in the EU. Suggesting the SNP could have done more in the Brexit referendum is silly to say the least, along with the liberals and the Greens, they were the only parties campaigning to stay.

[marinello59]

I'm at a loss to see how the SNP could have done more to persuade people to vote against Brexit, their message was clear and constant. Throwing money at it wouldn't have made much if any difference, the vast majority of SNP voters voted to stay and in Scotland, the only country in the UK that the SNP hold seats, the electorate voted clearly to stay in the EU. Suggesting the SNP could have done more in the Brexit referendum is silly to say the least, along with the liberals and the Greens, they were the only parties campaigning to stay.

I didn’t say it. :greengrin
But we all could have done more. The leave side got their vote out, we failed to do that. Basically we blew it.
(By we I mean all of us who wanted to remain in the EU)

[One Day Soon]

I'm at a loss to see how the SNP could have done more to persuade people to vote against Brexit, their message was clear and constant. Throwing money at it wouldn't have made much if any difference, the vast majority of SNP voters voted to stay and in Scotland, the only country in the UK that the SNP hold seats, the electorate voted clearly to stay in the EU. Suggesting the SNP could have done more in the Brexit referendum is silly to say the least, along with the liberals and the Greens, they were the only parties campaigning to stay.

The SNP spent more money on the Shetland by-election campaign than on the Brexit referendum campaign. Which one does that tells us they were more interested in winning?

[weecounty hibby]

The SNP spent more money on the Shetland by-election campaign than on the Brexit referendum campaign. Which one does that tells us they were more interested in winning?

How interested was the Labour leader at the time about winning the referendum?

[One Day Soon]

Don't try to reason with him, it's a total waste of time.

Don't be petulant. It's politics, people have differing opinons.

[Callum_62]

So it's the snps fault only 2/3 people voted to remain in Scotland

O. K.

That really handed leave the victory

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[One Day Soon]

How interested was the Labour leader at the time about winning the referendum?

Very little and that was a bloody disgrace. If you'd read my earlier post on this you'd see I called that out. That doesn't lessen the point I'm making about the SNP though. All of these parties have to take responsibility for Brexit in various degrees.

[Peevemor]

So it's the snps fault only 2/3 people voted to remain in Scotland

O. K.

That really handed leave the victory

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[Callum_62]

Some of the reasoning is beyond belief.

SNP are pathetic. Imagine only turning out what could be classed as a super majority for remain.

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[CapitalGreen]

SNP are pathetic

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Those results in Scotland would have had to have been approx 86% to 14% in favour of remain to achieve a different final overall result but sure it’s the party that campaigns solely in Scotland that was the issue.

[One Day Soon]

So it's the snps fault only 2/3 people voted to remain in Scotland

O. K.

That really handed leave the victory

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No political party is exempt from the blame on this for various reasons and I should also have named the Lib-Dems in this context earlier too for allowing David Cameron through the door of No.10 and paving the way for the disastrous Brexit referendum. For the dominant political party in Scotland to have spent just £90,000 on the campaign is astonishing. Even more so when you consider what they spent on trying to win the Shetland by-election.

SNP election spending:

2016 Brexit referendum £91,000.
2019 Shetland by-election £100,000.
2014 Independence Referendum £1.3 million
2017 Scottish Parliament campaign £1.46 million

[One Day Soon]

Those results in Scotland would have had to have been approx 86% to 14% in favour of remain to achieve a different final overall result but sure it’s the party that campaigns solely in Scotland that was the issue.

Who said that? My post blamed literally all the parties in one measure or another. None are exempt.

[Kato]

Who said that? My post blamed literally all the parties in one measure or another. None are exempt.What do you estimate the difference in the Scottish vote would have been if they had spent £1M?

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[allmodcons]

No political party is exempt from the blame on this for various reasons and I should also have named the Lib-Dems in this context earlier too for allowing David Cameron through the door of No.10 and paving the way for the disastrous Brexit referendum. For the dominant political party in Scotland to have spent just £90,000 on the campaign is astonishing. Even more so when you consider what they spent on trying to win the Shetland by-election.

SNP election spending:

2016 Brexit referendum £91,000.
2019 Shetland by-election £100,000.
2014 Independence Referendum £1.3 million
2017 Scottish Parliament campaign £1.46 million

You're not really doing yourself any favours here ODS.

Fair enough having a go at everything the SNP does or doesn't do on the 'SNP Nonsense' thread but to turn this thread (check out the title) in to another anti SNP rant says everything that needs to be said about Labour supporters in Scotland.

The Brexit mess lies fair and square at the Conservative Party's door for pandering to the right wing vote in England that coalesced around Nigel ****ing Farage.

[CapitalGreen]

Who said that? My post blamed literally all the parties in one measure or another. None are exempt.

I think all parties in Scotland who campaigned with a strong stance on remaining did a good job which is borne out in the results.

[weecounty hibby]

No political party is exempt from the blame on this for various reasons and I should also have named the Lib-Dems in this context earlier too for allowing David Cameron through the door of No.10 and paving the way for the disastrous Brexit referendum. For the dominant political party in Scotland to have spent just £90,000 on the campaign is astonishing. Even more so when you consider what they spent on trying to win the Shetland by-election.

SNP election spending:

2016 Brexit referendum £91,000.
2019 Shetland by-election £100,000.
2014 Independence Referendum £1.3 million
2017 Scottish Parliament campaign £1.46 million

But the SNP 90K resulted in 60+% of Scottish voters voting to remain. As I said earlier, spending money or not wasn't the issue. It was the English based parties, and Labour in particular, had a muddled message and no clear direction or argument

[One Day Soon]

You're not really doing yourself any favours here ODS.

Fair enough having a go at everything the SNP does or doesn't do on the 'SNP Nonsense' thread but to turn this thread (check out the title) in to another anti SNP rant says everything that needs to be said about Labour supporters in Scotland.

The Brexit mess lies fair and square at the Conservative Party's door for pandering to the right wing vote in England that coalesced around Nigel ****ing Farage.


I actually posted originally up the thread criticising ALL parties for their various failures on Brexit, not just the SNP. Your final point is the genesis of Brexit, the failure stop it lies elswhere and no party is exempt from that failing.

[One Day Soon]

But the SNP 90K resulted in 60+% of Scottish voters voting to remain. As I said earlier, spending money or not wasn't the issue. It was the English based parties, and Labour in particular, had a muddled message and no clear direction or argument

I absolutely agree that there are shovels full of blame to be heaped on Labour, Tories and the Lib-Dems.

That's why I originally said earlier, 'The Tories actively wanted this irrational madness, Labour were deliberately ambivalent about it at best and my understanding is that the SNP spent less on the entire anti-Brexit referendum campaign than they did on last year's Shetland by-election.'

Perhaps if all the opposition parties had performed even just marginally better we wouldn't be looking at Brexit right now. If 634,751 more voters across the UK had said No to Brexit instead of Yes it would have been a different result. The Scottish share of that vote is just 63,500.

[lapsedhibee]

I absolutely agree that there are shovels full of blame to be heaped on Labour, Tories and the Lib-Dems.

That's why I originally said earlier, 'The Tories actively wanted this irrational madness, Labour were deliberately ambivalent about it at best and my understanding is that the SNP spent less on the entire anti-Brexit referendum campaign than they did on last year's Shetland by-election.'

Perhaps if all the opposition parties had performed even just marginally better we wouldn't be looking at Brexit right now. If 634,751 more voters across the UK had said No to Brexit instead of Yes it would have been a different result. The Scottish share of that vote is just 63,500.

And if the SNP had spent more and 63,500 more Scots had voted against Brexit, that would have affected the other 571,251 in rUK how exactly? :confused:

[Kato]

I wonder how many of those who voted for Brexit also vote for pro-Union parties in a venn, and if those SNP types had spent ninetyone million pounds how much of a difference it would have made given how entrenched pro-union voters can be.

Feeble finger pointing now, given where we are.

I wonder if Putin spent more than 91 grand.

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[allmodcons]

I actually posted originally up the thread criticising ALL parties for their various failures on Brexit, not just the SNP. Your final point is the genesis of Brexit, the failure stop it lies elswhere and no party is exempt from that failing.

I just don't agree with that I'm afraid.

We are used to seeing the SNP in Government trying to mitigate the worst excesses of a Tory Government but to try and apportion blame in the manner you are in a thread called 'Tories are lying *******s' just says so much to me about your mindset.

I find it hard to swallow at times, but you appear so blinded by your disdain of the SNP that you lose sight of the real enemy at times.

[Moulin Yarns]

No political party is exempt from the blame on this for various reasons and I should also have named the Lib-Dems in this context earlier too for allowing David Cameron through the door of No.10 and paving the way for the disastrous Brexit referendum. For the dominant political party in Scotland to have spent just £90,000 on the campaign is astonishing. Even more so when you consider what they spent on trying to win the Shetland by-election.

SNP election spending:

2016 Brexit referendum £91,000.
2019 Shetland by-election £100,000.
2014 Independence Referendum £1.3 million
2017 Scottish Parliament campaign £1.46 million

Can you give us all the same information for all the other parties so that we aren't completely in the dark?

[Moulin Yarns]

David Mundell and Ruth Davidson said they’d resign if Northern Ireland got a separate deal from Scotland post #Brexit Northern Ireland just got that deal. Wonder how the resignation letters are going? https://t.co/sH4unNJ2qh

In real tories are lying *******s, it must be remembered what they say and what they do are very different.

[One Day Soon]

I just don't agree with that I'm afraid.

We are used to seeing the SNP in Government trying to mitigate the worst excesses of a Tory Government but to try and apportion blame in the manner you are in a thread called 'Tories are lying *******s' just says so much to me about your mindset.

I find it hard to swallow at times, but you appear so blinded by your disdain of the SNP that you lose sight of the real enemy at times.


We'll just have to differ.

We only have Brexit because a majority voted for it and while I have no doubt who is to blame for pandering to it, opening the door to it and arguing for it, I don't exempt any of the opposition from the failure to stop it. Neither, incidentally, would I look away from the malign interference of outside actors in the outcome.

[allmodcons]

We'll just have to differ.

We only have Brexit because a majority voted for it and while I have no doubt who is to blame for pandering to it, opening the door to it and arguing for it, I don't exempt any of the opposition from the failure to stop it. Neither, incidentally, would I look away from the malign interference of outside actors in the outcome.

Not too bad, considering we are in agreement on another thread political thread :greengrin.

[Hibrandenburg]

The SNP spent more money on the Shetland by-election campaign than on the Brexit referendum campaign. Which one does that tells us they were more interested in winning?

Sorry but that is a ridiculous comparison. The SNP didn't have to throw resources at the referendum because the result in Scotland was never in question. But like almost every general election Scotland gets lumped with what England decides. To try and blame the SNP at least partly for Brexit sounds deranged.

[bawheid]

How much did the other parties in Scotland spend on Brexit referendum campaigning?

[Just Alf]

How much did the other parties in Scotland spend on Brexit referendum campaigning?

The one's in Scotland campaigning to remain spent enough as they won :greengrin, just a shame others didn't do the same elsewhere :rolleyes:

[Future17]

The SNP spent more money on the Shetland by-election campaign than on the Brexit referendum campaign. Which one does that tells us they were more interested in winning?

This statement is so ridiculous that it can only be trolling.

[Callum_62]

Sometimes in life you read something and just think - dearie me.

[Future17]

How much did the other parties in Scotland spend on Brexit referendum campaigning?

In which part of the UK money was spent was not something parties were required to report on however, other than the Scottish Green Party and the SNP, there are no substantive political parties operating only in Scotland. All the others are UK parties which are not independent, if you'll excuse the phrase, in Scotland.

[Andy Bee]

Well done to the UK Government Track and Trace, they've improved their percentage from 60% 14 days ago to an impressive 86%. Unfortunately, on closer inspection, within the last 14 days they've stopped including kids under 18 and adults in homes already with a verified case in their calculations. So instead of fixing the obvious problems track and trace have they've fudged the figures, why am I not surprised?

[Jack]

Well done to the UK Government Track and Trace, they've improved their percentage from 60% 14 days ago to an impressive 86%. Unfortunately, on closer inspection, within the last 14 days they've stopped including kids under 18 and adults in homes already with a verified case in their calculations. So instead of fixing the obvious problems track and trace have they've fudged the figures, why am I not surprised?

In a few days the Scottish torys and the BBC torys will be blasting the Scottish track and trace system for not being as good as the English one.

Probably a few on here too will have a pop.

[cabbageandribs1875]

will we see "he that shall not be named" back in westminster now that the investigation against him has been dropped


you know, that horrible little slimey bawbag dwarf

[Bostonhibby]

will we see "he that shall not be named" back in westminster now that the investigation against him has been dropped


you know, that horrible little slimey bawbag dwarfNo idea who you mean, there are so many who fit that description.[emoji6]

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[Callum_62]

will we see "he that shall not be named" back in westminster now that the investigation against him has been dropped


you know, that horrible little slimey bawbag dwarf

I Believe that Mark Francois no longer has to cast his votes from home

Coincidental timing

[cabbageandribs1875]

No idea who you mean, there are so many who fit that description.[emoji6]

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callum 62 gives a better hint than i :greengrin but you make a very valid point

[Bostonhibby]

callum 62 gives a better hint than i :greengrin but you make a very valid pointI was thinking of a small vociferous nonentity with a very EU sounding name who likes to play soldiers.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-leaflet-fake-news-openly-lie_uk_5fd9f679c5b62f31c201f7dc?ncid=other_faceboo k_eucluwzme5k&utm_campaign=share_facebook&fbclid=IwAR2IqbCCXDC-xe73Lh3KVksN9OWcgHrkueCPwvdoAfSQFNJCoFYXARA0rBU

The Tories (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/conservative-party/) stand accused of a secret policy to “openly lie” after a local party newsletter urges would-be politicians to ape Donald Trump and “weaponise fake news”.


shockerooni

[Moulin Yarns]

Aberdeen council has voted to ask the UK Government for direct funding

https://t.co/nehaJNZdoD


The end of democracy.

[Bostonhibby]

Aberdeen council has voted to ask the UK Government for direct funding

https://t.co/nehaJNZdoD


The end of democracy.I have the impression that Aberdeen City Council is a bit of a self serving gang so an appeal to the mothership might not be a surprise.

They'll be asking for an invasion to help oppressed Tory minorities in Aberdeenshire.

Hopefully there are no descendants of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand hiding out up there.

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[Mr Grieves]

The tories have been pretty busy during the pandemic flinging billions at their pals.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/17/world/europe/britain-covid-contracts.html

[Bostonhibby]

The tories have been pretty busy during the pandemic flinging billions at their pals.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/17/world/europe/britain-covid-contracts.htmlNo wonder they want us isolated and to give them a free hand to do what they want. Probably cheaper to have EU corruption in the long run.

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[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-leaflet-fake-news-openly-lie_uk_5fd9f679c5b62f31c201f7dc?ncid=other_faceboo k_eucluwzme5k&utm_campaign=share_facebook&fbclid=IwAR2IqbCCXDC-xe73Lh3KVksN9OWcgHrkueCPwvdoAfSQFNJCoFYXARA0rBU

The Tories (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/conservative-party/) stand accused of a secret policy to “openly lie” after a local party newsletter urges would-be politicians to ape Donald Trump and “weaponise fake news”.


shockerooni

The only shocking thing is they think it's a secret. :rolleyes:

[Bostonhibby]

The only shocking thing is they think it's a secret. :rolleyes:Take back control of corruption, we don't want any of that EU corruption. Keep it at home.

Much better to be defrauded by your own leaders and their pals.

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[Kato]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-leaflet-fake-news-openly-lie_uk_5fd9f679c5b62f31c201f7dc?ncid=other_faceboo k_eucluwzme5k&utm_campaign=share_facebook&fbclid=IwAR2IqbCCXDC-xe73Lh3KVksN9OWcgHrkueCPwvdoAfSQFNJCoFYXARA0rBU

The Tories (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/conservative-party/) stand accused of a secret policy to “openly lie” after a local party newsletter urges would-be politicians to ape Donald Trump and “weaponise fake news”.


shockerooni

"I've written to Conservative Party Chair @AmandaMilling to demand an urgent investigation and ask whether it is official Tory Party policy to “weaponise” fake news."

They will deny it's party policy, which of course is a lie in itself.

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[hibsbollah]

UNICEF should be ‘ashamed’ of trying to feed hungry kids in the UK, and should focus on real poverty in the third world instead, says the Victorian Haunted Pencil Rees Mogg.

He really is, by any proper measurement, a ****ing ****.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9063689/Jacob-Rees-Mogg-accuses-Unicef-playing-politics.html

[JeMeSouviens]

UNICEF should be ‘ashamed’ of trying to feed hungry kids in the UK, and should focus on real poverty in the third world instead, says the Victorian Haunted Pencil Rees Mogg.

He really is, by any proper measurement, a ****ing ****.


"Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.

"Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

"And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"

"They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."

"The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge.



Ah, the good old days. :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

Ah, the good old days. :rolleyes:

He was prompted to make the statement by Sultana, yet again (tired platitude alert) holding the government to account properly in a way the leadership just isn’t.

[Kato]

UNICEF should be ‘ashamed’ of trying to feed hungry kids in the UK, and should focus on real poverty in the third world instead, says the Victorian Haunted Pencil Rees Mogg.

He really is, by any proper measurement, a ****ing ****.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9063689/Jacob-Rees-Mogg-accuses-Unicef-playing-politics.htmlThat's right, its them that should be ashamed.

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[JeMeSouviens]

He was prompted to make the statement by Sultana, yet again (tired platitude alert) holding the government to account properly in a way the leadership just isn’t.

Why do a load of crap puns about the raisin she did this and the currant state of affairs spring to mind? I've been on this messageboard too long. :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

Why do a load of crap puns about the raisin she did this and the currant state of affairs spring to mind? I've been on this messageboard too long. :rolleyes:

Yeah I thought about it too 😆

[cabbageandribs1875]

He was prompted to make the statement by Sultana, yet again (tired platitude alert) holding the government to account properly in a way the leadership just isn’t.



i've been quite impressed with vids i've saw of her the last few months...watch and learn starmer

[lapsedhibee]

Liz Truss's education was hobbled by Foucault.

Yes, and Chavez cheated Trump out of the POTUSship.

It's good to end the year on a few notes of hilarity. :agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/peter-cruddas-daniel-hannan-house-of-lords-peers-6865362?fbclid=IwAR0IM-2NAgbRB0wRbMgzJk43LnRhISwN272KHW-blhUInW-etEKYpKMwO3A

Boris Johnson has overruled the peerage watchdog to make former Tory treasurer Peter Cruddas a life peer.
The move went against the advice of the House of Lords Appointments Committee.


“Johnson has added 16 to his list of appointments bringing the total for the year up to 52 new peers over two lists. This list will bring the total in the House of Lords to over 830 – almost 200 more than the House of Commons,” Lord Fowler said.


830 peers, freakin astonishing :bitchy:

i note this article doesn't include the fact cruddas also donated 50k to johnsons campaign for leadership, not that he was looking for a return of favour of course

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/peter-cruddas-daniel-hannan-house-of-lords-peers-6865362?fbclid=IwAR0IM-2NAgbRB0wRbMgzJk43LnRhISwN272KHW-blhUInW-etEKYpKMwO3A

Boris Johnson has overruled the peerage watchdog to make former Tory treasurer Peter Cruddas a life peer.
The move went against the advice of the House of Lords Appointments Committee.


“Johnson has added 16 to his list of appointments bringing the total for the year up to 52 new peers over two lists. This list will bring the total in the House of Lords to over 830 – almost 200 more than the House of Commons,” Lord Fowler said.


830 peers, freakin astonishing :bitchy:

i note this article doesn't include the fact cruddas also donated 50k to johnsons campaign for leadership, not that he was looking for a return of favour of courseProbably to make up for him having to quit over cash for access affair?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55414981

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Probably to make up for him having to quit over cash for access?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55414981

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yeah read that earlier i just didn't want to put a link up for the Boris Broadcasting Company :greengrin


meanwhile in other tory corruption news...

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1341355364734918657?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0IM-2NAgbRB0wRbMgzJk43LnRhISwN272KHW-blhUInW-etEKYpKMwO3A


:bitchy:

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-tory-leader-sparks-fury-23214552.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Does he think being First minister will be a part time job?


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-tory-leader-sparks-fury-23214552.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Does he think being First minister will be a part time job?
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Imagine being a visiting team at Ibrox knowing that at least one of the match officials is an out and out die hard blue nosed unionist. Nothing new I suppose.

[Smartie]

Imagine being a visiting team at Ibrox knowing that at least one of the match officials is an out and out die hard blue nosed unionist. Nothing new I suppose.

To be fair, just the one would be a bit of a result.

[Keith_M]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-tory-leader-sparks-fury-23214552.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Does he think being First minister will be a part time job?
...


He said he didn't find out about the meeting until half-time.

When you've got far more important things to do than discuss the SG's Covid response, then you can perfectly understand why he'd have his phone switched off.


I just hope he was wearing a face mask....

[Future17]

Liz Truss's education was hobbled by Foucault.

Yes, and Chavez cheated Trump out of the POTUSship.

It's good to end the year on a few notes of hilarity. :agree:

Is that the bloke I keep hearing Hearts have won?

[Bostonhibby]

Is that the bloke I keep hearing Hearts have won?Fat old guy, peer of the realm who sleeps on the job but knows how to fill out an expenses form?

Occasionally seen in unfortunately stained corduroy strides?

Gave a glowing character reference to Vladimir Romanov [emoji16]

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[lapsedhibee]

Is that the bloke I keep hearing Hearts have won?

Either him or Friedrich Nilch (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nilch).

[Moulin Yarns]

Here is the government's statement: "Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal."
"We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters
"The deal is fantastic news for families and businesses in every part of the UK.
"We have signed the first free trade agreement based on zero tariffs and zero quotas that has ever been achieved with the EU.
"The deal is the biggest bilateral trade deal signed by either side, covering trade worth £668bn in 2019.
"The deal also guarantees that we are no longer in the lunar pull of the EU, we are not bound by EU rules, there is no role for the European Court of Justice and all of our key red lines about returning sovereignty have been achieved.
"It means that we will have full political and economic independence on 1st January 2021."
"A points-based immigration system will put us in full control of who enters the UK and free movement will end.
"We have delivered this great deal for the entire United Kingdom in record time, and under extremely challenging conditions, which protects the integrity of our internal market and Northern Ireland’s place within it.
"We have got Brexit done and we can now take full advantage of the fantastic opportunities available to us as an independent trading nation, striking trade deals with other partners around the world."

[marinello59]

Here is the government's statement: "Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal."
"We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters
"The deal is fantastic news for families and businesses in every part of the UK.
"We have signed the first free trade agreement based on zero tariffs and zero quotas that has ever been achieved with the EU.
"The deal is the biggest bilateral trade deal signed by either side, covering trade worth £668bn in 2019.
"The deal also guarantees that we are no longer in the lunar pull of the EU, we are not bound by EU rules, there is no role for the European Court of Justice and all of our key red lines about returning sovereignty have been achieved.
"It means that we will have full political and economic independence on 1st January 2021."
"A points-based immigration system will put us in full control of who enters the UK and free movement will end.
"We have delivered this great deal for the entire United Kingdom in record time, and under extremely challenging conditions, which protects the integrity of our internal market and Northern Ireland’s place within it.
"We have got Brexit done and we can now take full advantage of the fantastic opportunities available to us as an independent trading nation, striking trade deals with other partners around the world."

I don’t think Boris even knows what he has signed up to. Waffle, waffle, waffle, fisheries, waffle, waffle, waffle.

[Moulin Yarns]

I don’t think Boris even knows what he has signed up to. Waffle, waffle, waffle, fisheries, waffle, waffle, waffle.

See my own analysis of it on the Brexit thread 😁

[jonty]

Here is the government's statement: "Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal."
"We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters
"The deal is fantastic news for families and businesses in every part of the UK.
"We have signed the first free trade agreement based on zero tariffs and zero quotas that has ever been achieved with the EU.
"The deal is the biggest bilateral trade deal signed by either side, covering trade worth £668bn in 2019.
"The deal also guarantees that we are no longer in the lunar pull of the EU, we are not bound by EU rules, there is no role for the European Court of Justice and all of our key red lines about returning sovereignty have been achieved.
"It means that we will have full political and economic independence on 1st January 2021."
"A points-based immigration system will put us in full control of who enters the UK and free movement will end.
"We have delivered this great deal for the entire United Kingdom in record time, and under extremely challenging conditions, which protects the integrity of our internal market and Northern Ireland’s place within it.
"We have got Brexit done and we can now take full advantage of the fantastic opportunities available to us as an independent trading nation, striking trade deals with other partners around the world."

value for money right there. not.
I hope everyone who voted for brexit is standing by this and owning it.

[Bostonhibby]

I don’t think Boris even knows what he has signed up to. Waffle, waffle, waffle, fisheries, waffle, waffle, waffle.Do we get cakes? Or hasn't he got round to promising that yet?

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[Moulin Yarns]

I don’t think Boris even knows what he has signed up to. Waffle, waffle, waffle, fisheries, waffle, waffle, waffle.

Can I ask, are these Belgian waffles?

[marinello59]

Can I ask, are these Belgian waffles?

I think you’ll find they are known as sovereign waffles now.

[stu in nottingham]

Do we get cakes? Or hasn't he got round to promising that yet?


They're with the jam tomorrow.

[Moulin Yarns]

I think you’ll find they are known as sovereign waffles now.

The new name for potato waffles 🙄

[Keith_M]

Are we still allowed to say German Biscuits?

[Jack]

Are we still allowed to say German Biscuits?

Only if there's a picture of the queen on the wall.

[Bostonhibby]

Only if there's a picture of the queen on the wall.So we're sticking with the Germans then.

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[Killiehibbie]

Are we still allowed to say German Biscuits?

Not allowed. Empire Biscuits or Imperial Cookies are the only acceptable names.

[CapitalGreen]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-tory-leader-sparks-fury-23214552.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Does he think being First minister will be a part time job?


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Not a problem to miss important meetings when you know you have no chance of becoming FM. Coast along taking 2 salaries, be fawned over by the press then take up a seat in the House of Lords after suffering a massive election defeat.

[Jack]

So we're sticking with the Germans then.

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I can't see The House of Stuart making a comeback even when we get independence!

[Bostonhibby]

I can't see The House of Stuart making a comeback even when we get independence!Greco Hanoverian scroungers it is then, at least we've taken back control of sovereignty again.

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[Future17]

I think you’ll find they are known as sovereign waffles now.

It was sovereign waffle that got us into this debacle.

[Hibrandenburg]

It was sovereign waffle that got us into this debacle.

But are they blue?

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/1343246396116369408?s=19

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[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/1343246396116369408?s=19

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I would've said that Ross done them up like a kipper, but they've done it themselves.

You can't trust a Tory.

[lapsedhibee]

Steve Hardman Baker :faf:

https://twitter.com/utb_smith/status/1345176937422061569

[GlesgaeHibby]

Watching Johnson on Marr, and finding it utterly incomprehensible that the conservatives are holding support at around 40% in opinion polls. What on earth is wrong with people? What more will it take from this shower for them to lose support?

[Bristolhibby]

Watching Johnson on Marr, and finding it utterly incomprehensible that the conservatives are holding support at around 40% in opinion polls. What on earth is wrong with people? What more will it take from this shower for them to lose support?

Could not answer Marrs question on Independence.

“What mechanism has a voter in Edinburgh who wants independence got?”

Votes in 1975 and 2016 (wrong date clown), was his answer. Waffled a bit about once in a generation before Marr switched to Brexit.

J

[Bostonhibby]

Could not answer Marrs question on Independence.

“What mechanism has a voter in Edinburgh who wants independence got?”

Votes in 1975 and 2016 (wrong date clown), was his answer. Waffled a bit about once in a generation before Marr switched to Brexit.

JWasn't able to handle it at all so reverted to type, a mix of arrogance and waffle.

He's the SNP and other non tories in Scotland's greatest electoral asset.



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[Ozyhibby]

Could not answer Marrs question on Independence.

“What mechanism has a voter in Edinburgh who wants independence got?”

Votes in 1975 and 2016 (wrong date clown), was his answer. Waffled a bit about once in a generation before Marr switched to Brexit.

J

Good to see Marr asking the right question. Johnson, the Tories, Labour all standing against democracy. How long can they keep that up?


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[GlesgaeHibby]

Could not answer Marrs question on Independence.

“What mechanism has a voter in Edinburgh who wants independence got?”

Votes in 1975 and 2016 (wrong date clown), was his answer. Waffled a bit about once in a generation before Marr switched to Brexit.

J

Saw that - I think the dates he refers to are correct as EU referendum dates. I quite like Marr, but that was a really poor interview. Allowed Johnson to waffle on endlessly.

Patently clear Johnson will refuse the s30. I'd rather Sturgeon submitted the request tomorrow to get the refusal out of the way ahead of the election, so we can move to a strategy that delivers independence within the EU as quickly as possible.

[lapsedhibee]

I quite like Marr, but that was a really poor interview. Allowed Johnson to waffle on endlessly.

To this day I've only ever seen one proper interview of Johnson, and that was Eddie Mair's. Since then, he's only ever agreed to appear where he knows he's not going to get any proper scrutiny.

[weecounty hibby]

There is a reason that Johnson chooses Marr to go on and that is because he lets him away with murder. So many of Johnson's answers required follow up probing but he let him off the book time and again. Two men promoted above their capabilities. It certainly wasn't the shouty, interrupting style he used with the First Minister

[Bristolhibby]

Saw that - I think the dates he refers to are correct as EU referendum dates. I quite like Marr, but that was a really poor interview. Allowed Johnson to waffle on endlessly.

Patently clear Johnson will refuse the s30. I'd rather Sturgeon submitted the request tomorrow to get the refusal out of the way ahead of the election, so we can move to a strategy that delivers independence within the EU as quickly as possible.

Got it, so by that logic Scotland won’t be “allowed” to hold a referendum on independence until 2055.

Thanks Bojo, I’ll get that in the diary, I’ll be 75, my youngest child 44. Absolute ludicrous “logic”.

J

[GlesgaeHibby]

To this day I've only ever seen one proper interview of Johnson, and that was Eddie Mair's. Since then, he's only ever agreed to appear where he knows he's not going to get any proper scrutiny.

Agree. Other than an interview with Andrew Neil (where Boris for some idiotic reason tried to take Neil on, on a point of detail - GATT 24 para 5b) I've never seen anybody properly question him, and put him under pressure to answer.

[Ozyhibby]

Saw that - I think the dates he refers to are correct as EU referendum dates. I quite like Marr, but that was a really poor interview. Allowed Johnson to waffle on endlessly.

Patently clear Johnson will refuse the s30. I'd rather Sturgeon submitted the request tomorrow to get the refusal out of the way ahead of the election, so we can move to a strategy that delivers independence within the EU as quickly as possible.

He’ll refuse initially but will eventually relent. It’s not like he’s not known for u-turns. Taking away the democratic rights of Scottish voters is not something that will be sustainable and he’ll face opposition from all sides the minute he does it.


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[ACLeith]

Got it, so by that logic Scotland won’t be “allowed” to hold a referendum on independence until 2055.

Thanks Bojo, I’ll get that in the diary, I’ll be 75, my youngest child 44. Absolute ludicrous “logic”.

J

I’ll be 107, probably need a postal vote

[Keith_M]

Watching Johnson on Marr, and finding it utterly incomprehensible that the conservatives are holding support at around 40% in opinion polls. What on earth is wrong with people? What more will it take from this shower for them to lose support?


It's quite depressing, isn't it.

I think it's quite a comment on Labour as well, when polls suggest they wouldn't get a majority if an election were to happen tomorrow.

[greenlex]

I’ll be 107, probably need a postal vote
Let’s be honest we will need a seance vote. :greengrin

[ACLeith]

Let’s be honest we will need a seance vote. :greengrin

The dead were counted as NO in 1979 so why not. I’ll have a wee word with St Peter to get it organised. 👍

[cabbageandribs1875]

this far right horor show would gladly take us back to the last century :agree:

https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/priti-patel-quietly-scopes-out-return-of-death-penalty/?fbclid=IwAR1gb6G8NmSvW7hA9MIfsAQTF1CXxgJXoUHGV7Ev 3EHhEDd2RapZAfNHLbM


“A little bird at the UK Home Office tells us that Priti Patel has asked the Civil Service to scope a policy paper on the restoration of the death penalty in the new year”

[wookie70]

this far right horor show would gladly take us back to the last century :agree:

https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/priti-patel-quietly-scopes-out-return-of-death-penalty/?fbclid=IwAR1gb6G8NmSvW7hA9MIfsAQTF1CXxgJXoUHGV7Ev 3EHhEDd2RapZAfNHLbM


“A little bird at the UK Home Office tells us that Priti Patel has asked the Civil Service to scope a policy paper on the restoration of the death penalty in the new year”

She must think she won that argument with Ian Hislop on QT. Surely one of the most stupid minister ever

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210104/acc2cfeb38fb6994938f57760fc4f6bd.jpg
The public down south care not a jot about the lying, corruption, incompetence etc etc.


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[Bangkok Hibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210104/acc2cfeb38fb6994938f57760fc4f6bd.jpg
The public down south care not a jot about the lying, corruption, incompetence etc etc.


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It really is staggering isn't it.

[Bristolhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210104/acc2cfeb38fb6994938f57760fc4f6bd.jpg
The public down south care not a jot about the lying, corruption, incompetence etc etc.


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Two things.

1) Jesus Christ
2) How much more pillaging of the Lib Dem vote is possible? That reads that Liberal Democrat’s have had enough and turning Tory! Mental!

J

[Callum_62]

Two things.

1) Jesus Christ
2) How much more pillaging of the Lib Dem vote is possible? That reads that Liberal Democrat’s have had enough and turning Tory! Mental!

JSnp beating lib Dems in the west minster vote is hilarious

Especially as there previous leader was almost PM!

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[Bostonhibby]

Two things.

1) Jesus Christ
2) How much more pillaging of the Lib Dem vote is possible? That reads that Liberal Democrat’s have had enough and turning Tory! Mental!

JClegg set the real liberal Democrat vote back decades and probably pissed off the younger generation after he flipped on his education pledges to get a bit of power by playing at being a Tory number two, and Swinson was effectively a Conservative for quite a few liberal voters.

The liberals will remain an irrelevance until they can find a direction that truly distinguishes them from the pack, not an easy task when folk remember how quickly they got into bed with the nasty party when the chance arose.

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[matty_f]

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1346000807762796544?s=21 I hate these *******s so much.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210104/acc2cfeb38fb6994938f57760fc4f6bd.jpg
The public down south care not a jot about the lying, corruption, incompetence etc etc.


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A Brexit bounce?

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1346000807762796544?s=21 I hate these *******s so much.They have behind the curve at every step

Its fking incredible how much crap they spout

Ofcourse the day or so after this they did go into national lockdown, closed schools and cancelled exams- why when the evidence and public health advice was clear?

I've been fairly unperturbed over this whole thing but the last week or so I've been getting more and more angry at our pathetic border control efforts

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[Bristolhibby]

They have behind the curve at every step

Its fking incredible how much crap they spout

Ofcourse the day or so after this they did go into national lockdown, closed schools and cancelled exams- why when the evidence and public health advice was clear?

I've been fairly unperturbed over this whole thing but the last week or so I've been getting more and more angry at our pathetic border control efforts

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And Celtic swanning off for a jolly, in the middle of all this *****, in Dubai is ripping my knitting more than it should be.

J

[matty_f]

They have behind the curve at every step

Its fking incredible how much crap they spout

Ofcourse the day or so after this they did go into national lockdown, closed schools and cancelled exams- why when the evidence and public health advice was clear?

I've been fairly unperturbed over this whole thing but the last week or so I've been getting more and more angry at our pathetic border control efforts

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As much as the incompetence irks me (and it does), the blatant gaslighting is really, really offensive - and mostly because it's a tactic that they've used time and time again to dishonestly claim things have happened that haven't, or haven't happened that have.

To try and subtly change the narrative that they've been too slow to act to one where they're claiming they've been too fast is disgusting.

They literally leave everything until the very last minute where the 'something' that they do is marginally better than doing nothing. Brexit, Covid... they can both be defined by the last minute actions of this bunch of charlatans.

The political system and the actions of politicians are beyond repair in this country now, imho. It needs a significant shake up.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/vaccine-minister-nadhim-zahawi-family-set-up-medical-company/?fbclid=IwAR1SQoe7Ac4yNEnVVQQJut4GpBJ9Ro7Nd2mHmsf3 pse18jSC_UU702LnDw0


this tory government will go down as the most crooked corrupt EVER :agree: utterly ******* repugnant b******s

[Bangkok Hibby]

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/vaccine-minister-nadhim-zahawi-family-set-up-medical-company/?fbclid=IwAR1SQoe7Ac4yNEnVVQQJut4GpBJ9Ro7Nd2mHmsf3 pse18jSC_UU702LnDw0


this tory government will go down as the most crooked corrupt EVER :agree: utterly ******* repugnant b******s

Not enough people care. The selfish, gullible, xenophobic, mail reading, predominantly English ****wits will vote the ***** in again.

[danhibees1875]

Not enough people care. The selfish, gullible, xenophobic, mail reading, predominantly English ****wits will vote the ***** in again.

In this particular instance, what are we meant to care about?

I was half expecting the article to eventually say that his company was producing little vaccine holders or something that he'd convinced the government to buy a billion of but it looks like nothing has actually happened... :dunno:

[Bangkok Hibby]

In this particular instance, what are we meant to care about?

I was half expecting the article to eventually say that his company was producing little vaccine holders or something that he'd convinced the government to buy a billion of but it looks like nothing has actually happened... :dunno:

I was just responding to this.....


this tory government will go down as the most crooked corrupt EVER utterly ******* repugnant b******s

I dont think it matters how bad they are, they'll win again.

[danhibees1875]

I was just responding to this.....


this tory government will go down as the most crooked corrupt EVER utterly ******* repugnant b******s

I dont think it matters how bad they are, they'll win again.

I guess my question should have been directed at the OP then. :aok:

I wouldn't be entirely sure of that though. I think labour will put up a good fight.

[ronaldo7]

Rishi not being a Tory this morning when announcing more funding for Scotland. Turns out he really is a Tory, and we won't be getting any new money at all.

Welsh and Scottish Government have spotted his rehash.

[mim]

Did anyone notice Douglas Ross on BBC Scotland News at 6.30 saying that funds from UK Government to help business 'are in the SNP's coffers'. Absolutely no challenge to that from the interviewer.
Now there's a proper lying *******.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/135948332_10224669187297829_5726876299271552891_o. jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sun8-LxCnLwAX-y73o3&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=af589f2a11db13e4fffa26662f4bc2a4&oe=601B49B7


you would think princess nut nuts would help dress him, scruffy looking tw@t

[hibsbollah]

Rishi not being a Tory this morning when announcing more funding for Scotland. Turns out he really is a Tory, and we won't be getting any new money at all.

Welsh and Scottish Government have spotted his rehash.

The Sunak love was never going to last long. As chancellor in a pandemic hes going to go from the lad throwing the money around to ordinary people, to the lad who’s going to have it claw it all back again. Because one things for sure, as a billionaire trying to balance the Nations books he’s not likely to be increasing taxes on his own kind.

[ronaldo7]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/135948332_10224669187297829_5726876299271552891_o. jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sun8-LxCnLwAX-y73o3&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=af589f2a11db13e4fffa26662f4bc2a4&oe=601B49B7


you would think princess nut nuts would help dress him, scruffy looking tw@t

Looks like he went to the same male outfitter as Neil Finlay.

Buttons on shirts seem to go into the wrong holes

[Future17]

The hypocrisy of Priti Patel condemning Donald Trump gives me the boak.

[CloudSquall]

Michelle Ballantyne MSP (came second to Carlaw during that leadership contest) has resigned from the Conservative Party and will sit as an independent for the rest of the term after being announced as the leader of Reform UK Scotland (the rebranded Brexit Party).

https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1331290142368296970

[Ozyhibby]

Michelle Ballantyne MSP (came second to Carlaw during that leadership contest) has resigned from the Conservative Party and will sit as an independent for the rest of the term after being announced as the leader of Reform UK Scotland (the rebranded Brexit Party).

https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1331290142368296970

That will be a nice little earner for her. Good money to be made in that area of right wing politics and she is in at the ground floor.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/138300055_1937012106450538_8252846033814731025_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WbLONd5U9acAX-6-Pa8&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=f86fbcf8b2d0b41ba90fd4f84001fb47&oe=60224B46


Baroness Baloney, as per

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/137677859_699186557465032_7649987437436177226_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&cb=846ca55b-ee17756f&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WbvBOkiF3dYAX_BMRny&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=883991de7bdaf1ff1be9206b5b33f014&oe=6022708C

freakin obscene :agree:

[Chorley Hibee]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/137677859_699186557465032_7649987437436177226_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&cb=846ca55b-ee17756f&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WbvBOkiF3dYAX_BMRny&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=883991de7bdaf1ff1be9206b5b33f014&oe=6022708C

freakin obscene :agree:

Meanwhile, Tory MP Pauline Latham has declared "it's just their lunch"!

This is the woman who receives a £25 a day subsidy for her lunch, and recently claimed £180,000 in expenses in a single year.

You couldn't mark their necks with a blowtorch.

[Jones28]

The Sunak love was never going to last long. As chancellor in a pandemic hes going to go from the lad throwing the money around to ordinary people, to the lad who’s going to have it claw it all back again. Because one things for sure, as a billionaire trying to balance the Nations books he’s not likely to be increasing taxes on his own kind.

Was it not as early as May that he started dropping hints about having to pay things back? I'm sure I remember very early on he made a statement in the house of commons about the need to repay debt accrued by COVID.

[Callum_62]

People vote for this - over and over again

Can anyone of any political persuasion defend this?

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1349280342117593088?s=19

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[Hibrandenburg]

People vote for this - over and over again

Can anyone of any political persuasion defend this?

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1349280342117593088?s=19

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Robbing the poor to give to the rich has always been the tory way, maybe just not as blatant as it is now.

[Jones28]

People vote for this - over and over again

Can anyone of any political persuasion defend this?

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1349280342117593088?s=19

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The more I listen to that prick the more I'm convinced he's a friggin robot.

[Kato]

People vote for this - over and over again

Can anyone of any political persuasion defend this?

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1349280342117593088?s=19

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Some people want snake-oil selling snakes in power. The more they lie the more they want lies, seems to be then only explanation.

[Northernhibee]

I don’t know why they keep putting him against Piers Morgan. From the endless dodging of questions to pretending to cry he always looks ludicrous on there.

[Hiber-nation]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJ-6PYaHDZD/?igshid=1qmfno0geggb

Hancock

😂

[Hibrandenburg]

Is there not a rule in PMQT that states the PM has to actually answer the questions posed to him rather than just mumble some irrelevant *****?

[MartinfaePorty]

Is there not a rule in PMQT that states the PM has to actually answer the questions posed to him rather than just mumble some irrelevant *****?

I was about to say I thought it wasn't possible for me to dislike him more than I did, but his performance today is sheer arrogance and obfuscation. How many times has he called the SNP the Scottish 'Nationalist' Party and the Speaker doesn't pick up on it? At least Blackford had the chance to put him right.

[Hibrandenburg]

I was about to say I thought it wasn't possible for me to dislike him more than I did, but his performance today is sheer arrogance and obfuscation. How many times has he called the SNP the Scottish 'Nationalist' Party and the Speaker doesn't pick up on it? At least Blackford had the chance to put him right.

Maybe the SNP should start referring to the Tories as "Brexit Party Light" and Labour as the "Yes Prime Minister" party.

[ballengeich]

Is there not a rule in PMQT that states the PM has to actually answer the questions posed to him rather than just mumble some irrelevant *****?
There doesn't seem to be, and Johnson's not the first to make use of that deficiency.

What strikes me about him is how inarticulate and hesitant his speech is when he's not working from a prepared script. It's all er.., umm.. - quite remarkable in someone whose careers have been in communication. It's particularly noticeable on radio as when you watch him he distracts the audience by flailing his arms around and pulling faces.

[weecounty hibby]

His answers to any question put to him by an SNP MP are disgraceful. He is an arrogant ******* and where it comes to Scotland he can barely hide his contempt.

[lapsedhibee]

How many times has he called the SNP the Scottish 'Nationalist' Party and the Speaker doesn't pick up on it?

I'm not clear why he does this. It doesn't seem to engender any appreciative braying from Tories. Is it purely to show contempt? :dunno:

[Bostonhibby]

Robbing the poor to give to the rich has always been the tory way, maybe just not as blatant as it is now.You could say its actually worse than that since when the time comes the very same chancers will be in the driving seat when it comes to deciding the tax rates and which section of the public will shoulder the biggest load of repayments.



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[hibsbollah]

Education Department (that reverse Midas touch politician Gavin Williamson’s dept) now stopping free school meals in England over half term. No coverage or reaction yet, the story is less than an hour old, but it’s almost like the Tories want to pee off ‘red wall’ constituents. Marcus Rashford will not be pleased.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/14/schools-in-england-told-not-to-provide-free-school-meals-at-half-term

[Ozyhibby]

Education Department (that reverse Midas touch politician Gavin Williamson’s dept) now stopping free school meals in England over half term. No coverage or reaction yet, the story is less than an hour old, but it’s almost like the Tories want to pee off ‘red wall’ constituents. Marcus Rashford will not be pleased.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/14/schools-in-england-told-not-to-provide-free-school-meals-at-half-term

Guaranteed future u-turn.


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[Ryan91]

Education Department (that reverse Midas touch politician Gavin Williamson’s dept) now stopping free school meals in England over half term. No coverage or reaction yet, the story is less than an hour old, but it’s almost like the Tories want to pee off ‘red wall’ constituents. Marcus Rashford will not be pleased.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/14/schools-in-england-told-not-to-provide-free-school-meals-at-half-term

U-turn from the Tories incoming when Rashford speaks out again. They tried it in October and backed down then too.

Utterly shameless from the Tories

[hibsbollah]

U-turn from the Tories incoming when Rashford speaks out again. They tried it in October and backed down then too.

Utterly shameless from the Tories

:agree: The winter COVID grant cost £170 million from November to January. So extending it for half term would be less than £100 million. Big numbers but this is really peanuts in terms of national spending; We spend £200 billion on the NHS annually, or maybe as a starker comparison, the failed test and trace project is estimated at £22 BILLION, which mostly went to Government cronies.

It really boils my piss. How do we tolerate these ****s.

[ronaldo7]

Tories laundering money...Never.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/ex-tory-treasurer-charged-with-laundering-more-than-200000

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/heartless-scots-tory-candidate-claims-23322395.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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[Future17]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/heartless-scots-tory-candidate-claims-23322395.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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How do these folk make it through selection?!?

[weecounty hibby]

How do these folk make it through selection?!?

Because they are being selected by like minded folk. Right wing fascists selecting right wing fascists. Ts unlikely that the Tories would ever select a left leaning candidate who is sympathetic to the least well of in society.Simple really.

[SHODAN]

How do these folk make it through selection?!?

Probably because there's only like 6 of them.

[Kato]

How do these folk make it through selection?!?

By holding the views shown in the article?

[cabbageandribs1875]

my goodness, imagine how vile a human being you have to be to get suspended by the nasty party

[matty_f]

FYI - deleted the post above as the cartoon (as good as it was) evaded the swear filter and isn't appropriate for the forum.

Thoroughly enjoyed it though, it was very accurate.

[ACLeith]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/heartless-scots-tory-candidate-claims-23322395.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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Apparently suspended pending an enquiry. What’s the odds on them concluding he was misquoted or taken out of context and he really is a fine example of a modern Tory.

His lack of knowledge of the breadth of what food banks provide probably matches most others in that party. And what’s worse they don’t care or want to find out the truth. When we are independent there should be a place for right of centre, decent people to create a new party free of racists like him - he can join his friends in the SDL

[hibsbollah]

Apparently suspended pending an enquiry. What’s the odds on them concluding he was misquoted or taken out of context and he really is a fine example of a modern Tory.

His lack of knowledge of the breadth of what food banks provide probably matches most others in that party. And what’s worse they don’t care or want to find out the truth. When we are independent there should be a place for right of centre, decent people to create a new party free of racists like him - he can join his friends in the SDL

Added to that not understanding that people can be fat AND malnourished at the same time. I’m fairly sure I did this in Home Economics when I was 14 so I’m not sure what this knobs excuse for not understanding that is. Apart from just stupidity.

[One Day Soon]

At some point someone is going to decide to launch a political party that is in the Christian Democratic mould and placed to the right of centre, fiscally dry and socially wet. They'll get old school type Tories into it and comfortably take a wedge of parliamentary seats. The mileage in being bitter twats just isn't there politically, your Rory Stewart types would do far better.

[Keith_M]

At some point someone is going to decide to launch a political party that is in the Christian Democratic mould and placed to the right of centre, fiscally dry and socially wet. They'll get old school type Tories into it and comfortably take a wedge of parliamentary seats. The mileage in being bitter twats just isn't there politically, your Rory Stewart types would do far better.


That actually wouldn't be too bad an idea. The current Tory party has veered a bit too far to the right for some of their supporters.


Who'd be their Angela Merkel, though?

:wink:

[hibsbollah]

That actually wouldn't be too bad an idea. The current Tory party has veered a bit too far to the right for some of their supporters.


Who'd be their Angela Merkel, though?

:wink:

It would be a filthy centrist ménage à trois headed up by Chukka Umuna Justine Greening and Dominic Grieve. 7%-12% of the vote, would be a highly influential force under PR. Under FPTP they’d go the same way as Change U.K.

[Kato]

At some point someone is going to decide to launch a political party that is in the Christian Democratic mould and placed to the right of centre, fiscally dry and socially wet. They'll get old school type Tories into it and comfortably take a wedge of parliamentary seats. The mileage in being bitter twats just isn't there politically, your Rory Stewart types would do far better.Are there any "One Nation" torys left? Are there enough of them to make a difference? There is mileage from Labours reps to fit in with the above for sure. The global "right wing projects" still have plenty time to go I reckon. The civilising offensives pitting people against each other on the most flimsy aspects, whilst they reap the profits, have been really powerful. I would have nothing against a "Sensible Party" but they have a lot weeds to whack.

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[One Day Soon]

It would be a filthy centrist ménage à trois headed up by Chukka Umuna Justine Greening and Dominic Grieve. 7%-12% of the vote, would be a highly influential force under PR. Under FPTP they’d go the same way as Change U.K.

I was thinking of them more in the Scottish context where the electoral system would give them a stronger chance. I wasn’t previously attracted to the idea but now that you’ve mentioned a filthy ménage a trois it somehow seems more appealing.

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1349751196710547464

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1349751196710547464It's a shame the Scottish fish(ermen) are not quite as happy

https://www.sff.co.uk/letter-to-prime-minister-from-sff-chief-executive/

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[Callum_62]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-government-resigns-over-child-benefits-scandal?__twitter_impression=true

Taking ownership, must be a European thing.

Never catch on here

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[ballengeich]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1349751196710547464
Of course the fish are happier. There's fewer people catching and eating them.

[Jack]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-government-resigns-over-child-benefits-scandal?__twitter_impression=true

Taking ownership, must be a European thing.

Never catch on here

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But surely they should have stayed on. They can't possibly have an election on the 17th March.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/arrest-records/101633/

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the home office right now, she's probably breathing fire as we speak. Wonder what excuse it will be this time?

[Jack]

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/arrest-records/101633/

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the home office right now, she's probably breathing fire as we speak. Wonder what excuse it will be this time?

I saw a similar article earlier this week. While they may have lost all these records I don't believe for a minute that they don't have father/grandfather etc backups from which the lost data can't be mostly restored.

[Keith_M]

I saw a similar article earlier this week. While they may have lost all these records I don't believe for a minute that they don't have father/grandfather etc backups from which the lost data can't be mostly restored.


I'm amazed that something so important doesn't have built in 'resiliency'.

When I'm creating a new Database there's always a backup in place, where all changes are auto-synchronized to backup servers, usually in a different location.

[hibsbollah]

This is tremendous.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/school-meals-row-boss-of-scandal-hit-caterer-set-rules-for-food-parcels-scheme-ckl6gsl9l?fbclid=IwAR3aeALAJsL957nBuaKEMuK1yqkZZZL NI4djhECb5cArEYFKPNJSUYb8H6k

[Killiehibbie]

I saw a similar article earlier this week. While they may have lost all these records I don't believe for a minute that they don't have father/grandfather etc backups from which the lost data can't be mostly restored.

If they're all as inept as the head honcho the recovery job would need to be contracted out.

[One Day Soon]

This is tremendous.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/school-meals-row-boss-of-scandal-hit-caterer-set-rules-for-food-parcels-scheme-ckl6gsl9l?fbclid=IwAR3aeALAJsL957nBuaKEMuK1yqkZZZL NI4djhECb5cArEYFKPNJSUYb8H6k

It's behind a paywall for me but I assume from the little it lets me read that its about a mixture of incompetence, avarice and looking to make several bucks off the back of the poorest?

[Callum_62]

Not sure it's the correct thread but close enough

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19016140.scotlands-newest-party-leader-claims-something-not-right-marcus-rashford-meals-campaign/

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[hibsbollah]

It's behind a paywall for me but I assume from the little it lets me read that its about a mixture of incompetence, avarice and looking to make several bucks off the back of the poorest?

Chartwells, company who is responsible for the £5 worth of kids food parcel that they were paid £30 each for, generate £561 million of profit. Their CEO is a friend of David Cameron and a £10,000 donor to the Conservative Party. One of the directors Stephen Forster, was on the Governments own panel for drawing up the tender documents that his own company ended up bidding for and winning.

While I appreciate that Starmer is criticising the Government here and there on the coronavirus, its this nepotism/corruption that he really needs to be calling out. Theres only a handful of backbenchers drawing attention to it at the moment. And Murdochs Times.:confused:

[Hibrandenburg]

Not sure it's the correct thread but close enough

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19016140.scotlands-newest-party-leader-claims-something-not-right-marcus-rashford-meals-campaign/

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Can't read the full article. Is she insinuating that it's something other than humanity behind Rashford's motivation to feed poor kids?

[Future17]

Chartwells, company who is responsible for the £5 worth of kids food parcel that they were paid £30 each for, generate £561 million of profit. Their CEO is a friend of David Cameron and a £10,000 donor to the Conservative Party. One of the directors Stephen Forster, was on the Governments own panel for drawing up the tender documents that his own company ended up bidding for and winning.

While I appreciate that Starmer is criticising the Government here and there on the coronavirus, its this nepotism/corruption that he really needs to be calling out. Theres only a handful of backbenchers drawing attention to it at the moment. And Murdochs Times.:confused:

I 100% agree and his failure to do so makes me (probably unfairly) suspicious. Starmer cannot continue to miss the open goals this Government gives him. He needs to pick one of their many faults, make enough people care about it and squeeze til the pips squeak.

[cabbageandribs1875]

this woman should speak for every right-thinking decent human being in the UK...unlike the ***m she's in opposition to

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139740255_247477533403238_2994511635309375476_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=xbmC8huzD8MAX_MitaF&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=eebd0d4b1327b9126d0f4764ddc4b727&oe=602C6C40

[marinello59]

this woman should speak for every right-thinking decent human being in the UK...unlike the ***m she's in opposition to

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139740255_247477533403238_2994511635309375476_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=xbmC8huzD8MAX_MitaF&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=eebd0d4b1327b9126d0f4764ddc4b727&oe=602C6C40

Zara Sultana is an absolute star.

[hibsbollah]

this woman should speak for every right-thinking decent human being in the UK...unlike the ***m she's in opposition to

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139740255_247477533403238_2994511635309375476_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=xbmC8huzD8MAX_MitaF&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=eebd0d4b1327b9126d0f4764ddc4b727&oe=602C6C40

Its shameful. Taking £20 a week off the poorest in society at a time like this. Affecting 5.7million people. Will be voted on and will pass shortly, not even an item on the news bulletin from what I can see :dunno:

[hibsbollah]

Zara Sultana is an absolute star.

She’s the main person on the back benches I was thinking of in my post above. She’s great.

[Ozyhibby]

I see the Scottish Tories voted to cut universal credit tonight. Shameful.


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[hibsbollah]

I see the Scottish Tories voted to cut universal credit tonight. Shameful.


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Division has just happened on School meals and remote learning. I’ve got it on bbc Parliament now. Kate Green was very good about labours amendment, Gavin Williamson justifying the unjustifiable as I speak.

[lapsedhibee]

I see the Scottish Tories voted to cut universal credit tonight. Shameful.


? Being reported that the result was 278 to 0 in favour of retaining the £20 uplift. :dunno:

[marinello59]

? Being reported that the result was 278 to 0 in favour of retaining the £20 uplift. :dunno:

The Tories were ordered to abstain, it’s not a binding vote.

[hibsbollah]

? Being reported that the result was 278 to 0 in favour of retaining the £20 uplift. :dunno:

It’s an ‘opposition day debate’ which means it has no legal authority, Johnson and Zahawi called it a ‘stunt’ and whipped all the Tories to abstain. It shows the discipline the party still has because there are 50+ Tory MPs that don’t want to support the removal of the £20 but they clearly don’t have any balls. Or principles.

[lapsedhibee]

The Tories were ordered to abstain, it’s not a binding vote.

Yep, I just don't see where anyone voted against it.

[hibsbollah]

Yep, I just don't see where anyone voted against it.

I don’t think anyone did.

[Mr Grieves]

It’s an ‘opposition day debate’ which means it has no legal authority, Johnson and Zahawi called it a ‘stunt’ and whipped all the Tories to abstain. It shows the discipline the party still has because there are 50+ Tory MPs that don’t want to support the removal of the £20 but they clearly don’t have any balls. Or principles.

I wonder what multi millionaire Rishi Sunak and his conservative colleagues value most? :dunno:

https://amp.ft.com/content/94a85d1b-18eb-4de3-a9a2-c2b8190dd61f?__twitter_impression=true


“It would cost £6bn — that’s the equivalent of putting 1p on income tax and adding 5p a litre on fuel duty,” said one ally of the chancellor. “Hopefully this will help focus minds among Conservative colleagues on what we value most.”

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/140235812_3631473083586184_7697383022177761647_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=-JLiAawb44cAX9vcJIb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=b1db2c55a412cdf32374f2ad366600d2&oe=602B1970


cowards...each and every one of them

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/140263662_4253248978038269_6412329197768755427_o.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=OKsPXzEBaZgAX8NNWb2&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=cdf35fe23f5370d9bd4d7ae544229f00&oe=602BF0FF


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139798762_4253248864704947_1480636668424799579_o.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=PJa2INvKrRQAX9cgMxG&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=860195cc153de9c61855bf3cec59d71c&oe=602DA248


what a bunch of fudlies they are

[CloudSquall]

https://mobile.twitter.com/w2wScotland/status/1351511113213599746

Most definitely...definitely...NOT obsessed with another referendum.

[degenerated]

https://mobile.twitter.com/w2wScotland/status/1351511113213599746

Most definitely...definitely...NOT obsessed with another referendum.Not in the slightest

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210119/45d2d3cce99a62ab9a202bfce14d5879.jpg

[Callum_62]

Not in the slightest

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210119/45d2d3cce99a62ab9a202bfce14d5879.jpgLennon already smashed him

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[Ozyhibby]

https://mobile.twitter.com/w2wScotland/status/1351511113213599746

Most definitely...definitely...NOT obsessed with another referendum.

Interesting that he says the only way to avoid a 2nd referendum is to vote for the Scottish Tories in May? I though Johnson was going to refuse anyway? Which is it?


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[degenerated]

Lennon already smashed him

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkI'll be surprised if she gets the gig, Sarwar is more the sort of person the Labour donors are looking for these days. Under Kier Hardly Labour are going to be a tory lite party.

[Radium]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210119/4794b5f203373832f3fb908a3c979a68.png


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[Hibrandenburg]

Every time Johnson gets asked about the delays in transporting seafood to the EU, he comes back and says it's because of a decline in demand due to Covid19 and Restaurants being closed. He's just done it again in PMQs. Surely those trucks sat at ports are loaded with seafood already sold or do we just send our produce to the continent to dump?

[Jones28]

I just got the latest Conservative leaflet through the door. Needless to say it was more anti-SNP than pro-Conservative. Thats it, thats all they've got. They are the party that stands for opposing the SNP.

I would post a picture but a) it has Douglass Ross on it and most of you will be eating lunch and b) it was bunged in the fire before it even touched the floor.

[hibsbollah]

Priti Patel excelling herself today at the Govts daily briefing.
Stated that she thinks we should have shut the borders in March 2019.
In accusatory tones.
But in March 2019 she was Home Secretary.

:faf:

[wookie70]

Priti Patel excelling herself today at the Govts daily briefing.
Stated that she thinks we should have shut the borders in March 2019.
In accusatory tones.
But in March 2019 she was Home Secretary.

:faf: Starmer asked Johnson about that at PMQs

[cabbageandribs1875]

Dearie me

Malware found on laptops given out by government - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-55749959?fbclid=IwAR0xfVUaER1_7xu122jN_0pvOl7mJK_l KwlTXJM-o8IavdwYrHk_uzaG28I)

Some of the laptops given out in England to support vulnerable children home-schooling during lockdown contain malware, BBC News has learned.
Teachers shared details on an online forum about suspicious files found on devices sent to a Bradford school.
The malware, which they said appeared to be contacting Russian servers, is believed to have been found on laptops given to a handful of schools.

[Hibrandenburg]

Priti Patel excelling herself today at the Govts daily briefing.
Stated that she thinks we should have shut the borders in March 2019.
In accusatory tones.
But in March 2019 she was Home Secretary.

:faf:

You probably mean 2020. I think she's hinting that she was overruled from higher up.

[hibsbollah]

You probably mean 2020. I think she's hinting that she was overruled from higher up.

Yes, 2020. Sorry, years are flying by these days. She’s also shamefully refusing to even pretend to answer the question posed to her. To be expected in the commons, but this is a matter of public information. She’s disgraceful really.

[Future17]

You probably mean 2020. I think she's hinting that she was overruled from higher up.

I'm fairly sure Patel thinks the borders should have been closed after her parents arrived.

[wookie70]

I'm fairly sure Patel thinks the borders should have been closed after her parents arrived. She probably thinks they shouldn't have been allowed in, just her

[Mr Grieves]

"I'm not on magic mushrooms", oh we believe you Douglas :greengrin

https://twitter.com/totovste/status/1352238314087198720?s=20

[Kato]

"I'm not on magic mushrooms", oh we believe you Douglas :greengrin

https://twitter.com/totovste/status/1352238314087198720?s=20

A video of some ragde getting his knickers in a twist about other radges' comments on the internet.

Does he not know that's sooo 2018?

[hibsbollah]

"I'm not on magic mushrooms", oh we believe you Douglas :greengrin

https://twitter.com/totovste/status/1352238314087198720?s=20

Proper politicians now understand that getting into squabbles with faceless Twitter folk isn’t a great look. But Douglas Ross is not a proper politician. So not really sure what point I’m trying to make really :greengrin

[Jones28]

"I'm not on magic mushrooms", oh we believe you Douglas :greengrin

https://twitter.com/totovste/status/1352238314087198720?s=20

I survived about 40 seconds of that. If politicians could just not behave like automatons for five minutes I might actually start to listen to them.

[Keith_M]

The leader of the Conservative party in the Welsh Senned has resigned, after some people were outraged that he and some colleagues had drunk some wine with a meal in the parliament building.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/welsh-tory-leader-paul-davies-resigns-drinking-during-alcohol-ban


The outrage seemed to be around the fact that it was only a few days after the pubs had closed, but there's no evidence that any of them broke any Covid regulations.

That all sounds like a fuss over nothing, surely?

[SHODAN]

What's the objective opinion on how Ross has been doing? He just seems to be a void to me.

[Moulin Yarns]

What's the objective opinion on how Ross has been doing? He just seems to be a void to me.

Douglas or Jack? 🤔😉

[Callum_62]

What's the objective opinion on how Ross has been doing? He just seems to be a void to me.Ross out!

Bottler, can't even stand up for Scotland in the big issues

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[Glory Lurker]

What's the objective opinion on how Ross has been doing? He just seems to be a void to me.

Probably doing paleantology stuff like he always did. That's who you mean, yeah?

[StevieC]

Probably doing paleantology stuff like he always did. That's who you mean, yeah?

That will fly right over the heads of quite a few I suspect 😏

[Callum_62]

That will fly right over the heads of quite a few I suspect [emoji57]That tan was Jimmy Calderwoodesque

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[Hibrandenburg]

Probably doing paleantology stuff like he always did. That's who you mean, yeah?

With "Friends" like you, who needs enemies?

[Jack]

What's the objective opinion on how Ross has been doing? He just seems to be a void to me.

He's keeping a seat warm until the torys find a full on unionist with a bit of a charisma willing to take up the baton.

In the meantime Scottish torys will play musical chairs.

[hibsbollah]

Ross out!

Bottler, can't even stand up for Scotland in the big issues

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Hes got them 2nd in the country. Jack could only dream of ‘doing a Douglas’:greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

That will fly right over the heads of quite a few I suspect 😏

No friends of mine 😉

[hibsbollah]

No friends of mine 😉

I was expecting ‘pivot!’

[allmodcons]

I think he is "ON A BREAK".

[Moulin Yarns]

http://ismympaprick.co.uk/

Have fun

[SHODAN]

Probably doing paleantology stuff like he always did. That's who you mean, yeah?

:top marks

[Keith_M]

What's the objective opinion on how Ross has been doing? He just seems to be a void to me.


I think he's looking down the back of the couch to find his principles.

[Ozyhibby]

What's the objective opinion on how Ross has been doing? He just seems to be a void to me.

I honestly think Jackson Carlaw was making more impression on the public.


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[CropleyWasGod]

A wee bit of cod-Burns...

Oh big curly length o *****
Yer wee haw-maws I'd love tae skite
And pit them tae a greater height -
Aboon yer heid!
Then stuff them past yer Adam's Apple
And lodge them in yer dung-glazed thrapple
Until yer deid.

c.Twitter

[ronaldo7]

https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2021/18/january/if-the-government-can-get-away-with-100000-covid-corruption-cronyism-deaths-it-can-get-away-with-anything-peter-jukes

[Jack]

He's coming! He's coming!

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/six-ways-boris-johnson-will-fk-up-his-friendship-mission-to-scotland-20210128204716?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1611822975

[allmodcons]

For any Tories and Unionists looking in, particularly those who keep telling us supporting Independence is about 'self interest', this is how proper self interest works. First you dish out huge contracts to your (already very wealthy) mates and then use tax payers to prevent anyone from trying to expose what you are doing and what you are all about. This from the Good Law Project



Correspondence with Government has revealed they expect to spend a staggering £1 million defending our judicial review of their decisions to award contracts criticised by the NAO. This is a sum unprecedented in our lawyers’ experience of judicial review proceedings. We can’t but wonder whether they are trying to scare us off – using the bottomless public purse to avoid accountability to the public.

Government also says, remarkably, that finding out whether they acted lawfully in channelling hundreds of millions or billions to their VIP associates, is not in the public interest.


We had until recently been working on the understanding that we had raised enough money for our challenges to Government’s awards of hundreds of millions of pounds of PPE contracts to Pestfix, Ayanda, and Clandeboye.


We were shocked to learn that – having failed to provide the evidence we’ve been asking for since July – Government is threatening a vast disclosure exercise going well beyond what would normally be undertaken in a judicial review. And not just that they have hired an expensive international commercial law firm. They expect to have a team of 30-40 working for up to 3 months on an exercise that has not been requested by us, or by the Court.


In the experience of our legal team, costs incurred by Government in judicial review proceedings rarely exceed £100,000. Here Government says it has already spent over £325,000, and estimates their total costs will amount to £1 million – a staggering sum for a judicial review.
Government knows full well that we cannot take existential risk on bringing a single case. So we wrote to Government asking it to agree and order ‘capping’ both our costs and the taxpayers’ costs in these public interest proceedings.
We were shocked this week to receive their response contending that the litigation is not in the public interest, and refusing our proposed reciprocal cap: “In particular our client does not agree that the proceedings are ‘public interest proceedings'”. These are cases involving on Government’s own admission hundreds of millions of pounds being spent on unusable facemasks on companies that went through the VIP lane.


Not in the public interest? What are they on!


The point is all the more remarkable given that a barrister employed by the Government Legal Department in her witness statement of 30 November stated that: “We acknowledge that there is considerable public interest in Covid related procurement, particularly of PPE.”


We have now applied to the court for a Cost Cap. In line with our transparency principles I am publishing my Witness Statement. But if we don’t get one, unless a white knight or white knights emerge, the simple fact is we will have to abandon the litigation. We are not in a position to bear a £1 million risk.


Thank you, Jolyon Maugham QC
Director of Good Law Project

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1354836643262255105

Doctor Rachel Clarke, telling it how it is. Thought it should go in here instead of the coronavirus thread due to it being about Tories(Prime Minister) Lying.

No words really.

[lapsedhibee]

He's not been lying really, just being himself, but this is Marina Hyde's note to Desmond Swayne for his recent antics:

"you’re a Windsor-knotted, contrast-collared conspiracy frotter with a grasp of science inferior to even Gwyneth Paltrow’s and sideburns that read like a come-and-get-me-plea to the sex offenders’ register"

[degenerated]

He's not been lying really, just being himself, but this is Marina Hyde's note to Desmond Swayne for his recent antics:

"you’re a Windsor-knotted, contrast-collared conspiracy frotter with a grasp of science inferior to even Gwyneth Paltrow’s and sideburns that read like a come-and-get-me-plea to the sex offenders’ register"Up there with frankie boyles one of gove :greengrin