Summer transfer thread 2025

[JohnM1875]

He's not good enough for Celtic.

Not yet, totally agree.

Surely wont move there the season before the World Cup. He needs to be playing every week. No chance of that at Celtic.

[Donegal Hibby]

Now that would be a big statement, but if Celtic are interested can't see it happening.

Didn’t his agent say something about that he needs to be playing regularly in order to help his international career ?

[stokesmessiah]

Didn’t his agent say something about that he needs to be playing regularly in order to help his international career ?

He did, last week I think it was…

[Thatdayinmay16]

He's not good enough for Celtic.

Maybe not starting every week, but he'd certainly be a better option off the bench than Paulo Bernardo.

Is he really not better than McCowan? We'd have spent £1m on him but at this moment and time I reckon Triantis is worth that if not more.

[04Sauzee]

Luke McCowan has had close on 1400 minutes for Celtic this season. Understand he's a completely different player but I think he's a good enough to get plenty game time for a club like Celtic

[Jones28]

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/25146545.hibernian-making-summer-move-sunderland-midfielder-nectar-triantis/

Still be stunned if we managed to get him.

Celtic fan reckons they’re sniffing about

It's entirely unsurprising we are trying to sign him, whatever we pay for him we will recoup in 2 or 3 years time, probably by 4 or 5 times.

[Centre Hawf]

Didn’t his agent say something about that he needs to be playing regularly in order to help his international career ?

If he signs for Celtic he won't be dropped by Australia regardless of the minutes played.

[Springbank]

If he signs for Celtic he won't be dropped by Australia regardless of the minutes played.

Try telling that to Josef Juranovic I guess....

Josip Juranovic: The reason I had to leave Celtic - I didn’t like some of that stuff (https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/josip-juranovic-the-reason-i-had-to-leave-celtic-i-didnt-like-some-of-that-stuff-4049038)

[Centre Hawf]

Try telling that to Josef Juranovic I guess....

Josip Juranovic: The reason I had to leave Celtic - I didn’t like some of that stuff (https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/josip-juranovic-the-reason-i-had-to-leave-celtic-i-didnt-like-some-of-that-stuff-4049038)

I don't think Croatia and Australia are quite the same levels of competition.

[EH21Hibee]

Anybody heard anything about Rodrigo Zalazar?

https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fc-st-pauli-bis-in-die-4-liga-diese-ex-stars-sind-schon-abgestiegen-681afab96255e217f6c1f3e3

How you even come across this article is the main question

[EGL2000]

Anybody heard anything about Rodrigo Zalazar?

https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fc-st-pauli-bis-in-die-4-liga-diese-ex-stars-sind-schon-abgestiegen-681afab96255e217f6c1f3e3

No chance of that! Boys valued at 16 million.

[Brummie_Hibs]

How you even come across this article is the main question
I didn't - somebody I know on a Hibs related Whatapp group did. I thought I'd ask here.

[cabbageandribs1875]

A tug-of-war is brewing between Leeds United and Aston Villa for the signature of Rangers midfielder Nicolas Raskin this Summer. The Belgian international has become a key figure at Ibrox since his £6m move from Standard Liege in January 2023, quickly establishing himself as a fan favorite.

Raskin's move to Rangers was largely influenced by then-manager Michael Beale, and the 24-year-old has more than lived up to the expectations surrounding him. This season, he has arguably been Rangers' most consistent performer, contributing three goals and eight assists in 45 appearances.

Known for his ability to dictate the tempo of the game, Raskin primarily operates as a deep-lying playmaker. His tactical intelligence, impressive ball skills, excellent distribution, and vision make him a valuable asset in controlling the midfield. These qualities have understandably made him a popular figure amongst the Rangers faithful.

While Raskin is under contract at Rangers until 2027, the allure of Premier League football could prove tempting for the Belgian international, who has earned two international caps this year. Rangers are understandably reluctant to lose such a pivotal player, but the prospect of playing in England's top flight may be hard to resist.

only saw him a couple of times right enough but i don't think he's that good

[HibeeMackenzie]

The s*n reporting Martin Boyle is close to agreeing a new contract

[HoboHarry]

A tug-of-war is brewing between Leeds United and Aston Villa for the signature of Rangers midfielder Nicolas Raskin this Summer. The Belgian international has become a key figure at Ibrox since his £6m move from Standard Liege in January 2023, quickly establishing himself as a fan favorite.

Raskin's move to Rangers was largely influenced by then-manager Michael Beale, and the 24-year-old has more than lived up to the expectations surrounding him. This season, he has arguably been Rangers' most consistent performer, contributing three goals and eight assists in 45 appearances.

Known for his ability to dictate the tempo of the game, Raskin primarily operates as a deep-lying playmaker. His tactical intelligence, impressive ball skills, excellent distribution, and vision make him a valuable asset in controlling the midfield. These qualities have understandably made him a popular figure amongst the Rangers faithful.

While Raskin is under contract at Rangers until 2027, the allure of Premier League football could prove tempting for the Belgian international, who has earned two international caps this year. Rangers are understandably reluctant to lose such a pivotal player, but the prospect of playing in England's top flight may be hard to resist.

only saw him a couple of times right enough but i don't think he's that good
Is that from the Daily Record by any chance? What a load of cobblers. Aston Villa have their eyes firmly on the upper end of the Champions League and Raskin is nowhere near that.

[JohnM1875]

The s*n reporting Martin Boyle is close to agreeing a new contract

Different class. Buzzing at that. Think someone mentioned earlier on the thread its a two-year deal on reduced terms.

[supermcginn]

Is that from the Daily Record by any chance? What a load of cobblers. Aston Villa have their eyes firmly on the upper end of the Champions League and Raskin is nowhere near that.

Aston villa need to sell big time before the psr deadline in June or they'll be facing a points deduction, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they were looking at cheaper younger players on lower wages. They had the highest wages to turnover ratio in Europe last season.

[Hibees1973]

I would be amazed if Triantis joins us permanently.

Think he is contracted to Sunderland for another two years. I may be wrong.

But given his age, how he has performed and that there will be a fair bit of interest I expect the fee will be around £2m+, which will blow us out of the water.

Unless Foley steps in.

[Paul1642]

Aston villa need to sell big time before the psr deadline in June or they'll be facing a points deduction, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they were looking at cheaper younger players on lower wages. They had the highest wages to turnover ratio in Europe last season.

Hopefuly McGinn to Saudi :)

Would be a shame not to make us of the sell on.

[SHODAN]

There is absolutely no chance Triantis will be at Easter Road next season.

No inside info, just can see he'll get better offers elsewhere.

[AlbertK86]

Not sure I’m buying the lack of minutes being down to not having a pre-season. He's been in and training with us since start of Feb, so three months now. Bowie was out injured for months and is back and in the team.

Think it’ll be more of what you say, finding it hard to force himself into a team that's been smashing it since he arrived and changing leagues and styles wont be easy.

Totally agree.

Nectar and Dylan been outstanding and can’t see SDG changing that pairing for now.

Hopefully once we beat Sellick on Saturday and secure 3rd Manneh can get some time of the bench v Saints and the sevconians


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[Nicho87]

Hibs would have to offer close to a million quid with a hefty sell on fee. If it’s worth it meaning we get further European games and qualify for Europe again next season I think we should be bidding if gray thinks it’s pivotal for next season.

[Smartie]

There is absolutely no chance Triantis will be at Easter Road next season.

No inside info, just can see he'll get better offers elsewhere.

I could definitely see him coming for another year on loan.

If it's true what was said about his priority being getting in the Australia team and squad for next year's world cup then there aren't many places he's more likely to be able to enhance his chances than with us. Obviously there will be bigger clubs interested in him than us and he'll always back himself to make an impact anywhere he goes but there's a risk his world cup stuff dies a death by going somewhere then not playing. We're a safer option than that and if he plays and has a good world cup then the world is his oyster.

He's never joining us permanently, we need to deal with that, but I could easily see another loan next season being in the interests of all parties.

[AlbertK86]

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/25146545.hibernian-making-summer-move-sunderland-midfielder-nectar-triantis/

Still be stunned if we managed to get him.

Celtic fan reckons they’re sniffing about

I reckon more likely the other bum cheek would go after him. He is exactly what they need - f€(£!n hope not tho


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[Leith Green]

Could Triantis be signed by bournemouth and loaned back to us for a season or two? Exactly the kind of deal we should be getting with our tie in with them. And he is still only 21 so could be given a really good opportunity to develop and a clear pathway into EPL

[Forza Fred]

Didn’t his agent say something about that he needs to be playing regularly in order to help his international career ?


I’m not sure Nick WILL have an international career.

Popovich brought him into the Oz squad to have a closer look at him, but it wasn’t lost on me that he wasn’t selected in the match day squad…meaning he wasn’t even on the bench, but in the stands for BOTH Oz’s games.

Popovic played Ryan Teague, a young Melbourne Victory player in what arguably would be the position Triantis would slot into…and has since publicly praised him.

There is an Oz squad camp scheduled for the end of May/beginning of June in Abu Dhabi, so I guess we’ll see then if he is still in the running.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not sure Nick WILL have an international career.

Popovich brought him into the Oz squad to have a closer look at him, but it wasn’t lost on me that he wasn’t selected in the match day squad…meaning he wasn’t even on the bench, but in the stands for BOTH Oz’s games.

Popovic played Ryan Teague, a young Melbourne Victory player in what arguably would be the position Triantis would slot into…and has since publicly praised him.

There is an Oz squad camp scheduled for the end of May/beginning of June in Abu Dhabi, so I guess we’ll see then if he is still in the running.

If he doesn’t have an international career Fred all I can say is Australia must have some serious talent in midfield. I think Triantis has been outstanding and at 21 he’s got massive potential. Ryan Teague rings a bell for some reason wither I seen him play or you mentioned him before I can’t remember , one we should look at as an alternative to Triantis possibly? 🤔 .

[hibsbollah]

I could definitely see him coming for another year on loan.

If it's true what was said about his priority being getting in the Australia team and squad for next year's world cup then there aren't many places he's more likely to be able to enhance his chances than with us. Obviously there will be bigger clubs interested in him than us and he'll always back himself to make an impact anywhere he goes but there's a risk his world cup stuff dies a death by going somewhere then not playing. We're a safer option than that and if he plays and has a good world cup then the world is his oyster.

He's never joining us permanently, we need to deal with that, but I could easily see another loan next season being in the interests of all parties.

:agree: His agent says his priority is game time. I think that puts us in a strong position.

[djw80!]

I’m not sure Nick WILL have an international career.

Popovich brought him into the Oz squad to have a closer look at him, but it wasn’t lost on me that he wasn’t selected in the match day squad…meaning he wasn’t even on the bench, but in the stands for BOTH Oz’s games.

Popovic played Ryan Teague, a young Melbourne Victory player in what arguably would be the position Triantis would slot into…and has since publicly praised him.

There is an Oz squad camp scheduled for the end of May/beginning of June in Abu Dhabi, so I guess we’ll see then if he is still in the running.

I thought he wasn't involved in squads ah he picked up an injury first training session and they didn't want to risk him? Thats what i was told anyway. Im 100% sure he will be called back up and be involved

[Centre Hawf]

I’m not sure Nick WILL have an international career.

Popovich brought him into the Oz squad to have a closer look at him, but it wasn’t lost on me that he wasn’t selected in the match day squad…meaning he wasn’t even on the bench, but in the stands for BOTH Oz’s games.

Popovic played Ryan Teague, a young Melbourne Victory player in what arguably would be the position Triantis would slot into…and has since publicly praised him.

There is an Oz squad camp scheduled for the end of May/beginning of June in Abu Dhabi, so I guess we’ll see then if he is still in the running.

I would be amazed if Triantis can't break into that squad eventually. Considering the general standard he's up against is A-League or MLS level lads with a Jackson Irvine in there I'd back Nectar to get himself in there within the next 6 months at best. It wasn't that long ago Keanu Baccus was playing World Cup games for them, I expect Triantis to be too.

[SHODAN]

I remember there was some chat about Greece calling Triantis up, wonder if that could be an option for him?

[bingo70]

I remember there was some chat about Greece calling Triantis up, wonder if that could be an option for him?

Think it was Cyprus wasn’t it?

[B.H.F.C]

I would be amazed if Triantis can't break into that squad eventually. Considering the general standard he's up against is A-League or MLS level lads with a Jackson Irvine in there I'd back Nectar to get himself in there within the next 6 months at best. It wasn't that long ago Keanu Baccus was playing World Cup games for them, I expect Triantis to be too.

If he keeps progressing as he has this season he’ll get caps, not a problem.

Plenty players are in multiple squads before they get a cap.

[EGL2000]

Think it was Cyprus wasn’t it?

Think it is Greece. Think he's still some way of playing for them to be honest. They have some real talented players in there squad right now.

[Forza Fred]

If he doesn’t have an international career Fred all I can say is Australia must have some serious talent in midfield. I think Triantis has been outstanding and at 21 he’s got massive potential. Ryan Teague rings a bell for some reason wither I seen him play or you mentioned him before I can’t remember , one we should look at as an alternative to Triantis possibly? 🤔 .

Couldn’t afford him I reckon.

He has definitely improved this season at Melbourne Victory and I guess what is important is what the new national coach thinks of him.

Popovich has publicly praised him after the last batch of WC games…so that suggests he rates him.

[04Sauzee]

According to Scott Burns

Portsmouth could rival Hibs in the race to sign Nectarios Triantis.

The Championship new boys were keen on the Aussie before his loan to Easter Road and remain impressed by his form this season.

[Forza Fred]

I would be amazed if Triantis can't break into that squad eventually. Considering the general standard he's up against is A-League or MLS level lads with a Jackson Irvine in there I'd back Nectar to get himself in there within the next 6 months at best. It wasn't that long ago Keanu Baccus was playing World Cup games for them, I expect Triantis to be too.

As I said in another post Popovich has arranged a training camp in late May in Abu Dabi prior to their 2 WC qualifiers in June.

Selection for it could be a guide as to whether Popovich rates him or not.

[Centre Hawf]

As I said in another post Popovich has arranged a training camp in late May in Abu Dabi prior to their 2 WC qualifiers in June.

Selection for it could be a guide as to whether Popovich rates him or not.

It may take him a bit of time to break the barrier and no one ever really should walk into an international set up first call up. But as you say after this camp will give a better indication of where he sits in the pecking order.

[EGL2000]

Ajax podcast linking Dylan Vente with them. Could be quids in, 3 million minimum please!

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Triantis will be in demand. Efl championship clubs will be all over him you'd imagine

Assuming Bournemouth have access to our analytics I'd like them to have a look over and see what they think his trajectory is like and whether buying him is viable

[JeMeSouviens]

Why wouldn't Sunderland keep him? If they make it up and don't see him as Prem material, loan him back to us again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ajax podcast linking Dylan Vente with them. Could be quids in, 3 million minimum please!

No surprise at all. To score as many goals as he has for a team at the bottom end of the table is an outstanding return.

It’s a real shame it wasn’t last summer we signed him. He’d be banging them in for us if we had. In the end it was Montgomery that got his hands on him and ruined him.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Why wouldn't Sunderland keep him? If they make it up and don't see him as Prem material, loan him back to us again.

They may decide to offload and cash in.

[Real Emerald]

Ajax podcast linking Dylan Vente with them. Could be quids in, 3 million minimum please!

Would be funny if we got £9.8m for him. 😁

[04Sauzee]

Do we need a set number of Scottish or academy players in the squad next season if we are in Europe? If that is the case ( not saying it is 😁) will that affect our recruitment?

[bingo70]

Do we need a set number of Scottish or academy players in the squad next season if we are in Europe? If that is the case ( not saying it is 😁) will that affect our recruitment?

Let’s get Brian Graham back just in case.

Fingers crossed he’s next years Dwight Gayle.

[badabing67]

Let’s get Brian Graham back just in case.

Fingers crossed he’s next years Dwight Gayle.

I would rather have Dwight Gayle next season

[foxy]

Do we need a set number of Scottish or academy players in the squad next season if we are in Europe? If that is the case ( not saying it is 😁) will that affect our recruitment?
Yes - in a Europa League/Conference 'A' squad of 25 you need 8 home grown players. 4 must have come through Hibs academy and 4 through other Scottish clubs and the other 17 from the rest of the UK or abroad.
Currently we have 3 that have come through other Scottish clubs - the Cadden twins & Boyle (another reason to keep him). The 4 that have come through our academy could possibly be Campbell, Molotnikov, Megwa & Oscar MacIntyre.

[Silky]

Yes - in a Europa League/Conference 'A' squad of 25 you need 8 home grown players. 4 must have come through Hibs academy and 4 through other Scottish clubs and the other 17 from the rest of the UK or abroad.
Currently we have 3 that have come through other Scottish clubs - the Cadden twins & Boyle (another reason to keep him). The 4 that have come through our academy could possibly be Campbell, Molotnikov, Megwa & Oscar MacIntyre.

Does Bowie count?

Edit and Murray Johnston

[Centre Hawf]

Yes - in a Europa League/Conference 'A' squad of 25 you need 8 home grown players. 4 must have come through Hibs academy and 4 through other Scottish clubs and the other 17 from the rest of the UK or abroad.
Currently we have 3 that have come through other Scottish clubs - the Cadden twins & Boyle (another reason to keep him). The 4 that have come through our academy could possibly be Campbell, Molotnikov, Megwa & Oscar MacIntyre.

It's a bit back of the fag packet maths from me and I won't pretend to be an expert in the finer details of the rules as things can change depending on when your birthday is, but as it stands from players who are first teamers only and not looking at academy lads we would be looking at -

Smith
Ekpiteta
O'Hora
Iredale
Obita
Miller
Chris Cadden (Locally trained 1/8)
Nicky Cadden (Locally trained 2/8)
Joe Newell
Dylan Levitt
Manneh
NMW
Jamie McGrath
Josh Campbell (Locally trained 3/8 + club trained 1/4)
Rudi Molotnikov (Locally trained 4/8 + club trained 2/4)
Elie Youan
Kieron Bowie (Locally trained 5/8)

If we were to retain Martin Boyle we would move up to 6/8 locally trained players. This likely means we'd need to add in guys like Megwa and Murray Johnson to take us up to the full 4/4 and 8/8. Otherwise you leave a spot empty for in your registration to make up for the lack of eligible players.

That being said players under 21 do not have to be registered so there is scope for us to go out and sign a couple players who can fill up that quota without having to use the space on lads who don't actually need to be registered.

[foxy]

Does Bowie count?

Edit and Murray Johnston
https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-Europa-League-2024/25/Article-31-Player-lists-Online

Bowie wouldn't count as he was at Raith Rovers for only 2 years and you needed to have spent at least 3 years at a club between the ages of 15-21.

Each club must include at least 2 goalkeepers on List A and 3 in total so Murray Johnston could go on the B list if we sign another goalkeeper to challenge for the number 1 spot next season.

[foxy]

It's a bit back of the fag packet maths from me and I won't pretend to be an expert in the finer details of the rules as things can change depending on when your birthday is, but as it stands from players who are first teamers only and not looking at academy lads we would be looking at -

Smith
Ekpiteta
O'Hora
Iredale
Obita
Miller
Chris Cadden (Locally trained 1/8)
Nicky Cadden (Locally trained 2/8)
Joe Newell
Dylan Levitt
Manneh
NMW
Jamie McGrath
Josh Campbell (Locally trained 3/8 + club trained 1/4)
Rudi Molotnikov (Locally trained 4/8 + club trained 2/4)
Elie Youan
Kieron Bowie (Locally trained 5/8)

If we were to retain Martin Boyle we would move up to 6/8 locally trained players. This likely means we'd need to add in guys like Megwa and Murray Johnson to take us up to the full 4/4 and 8/8. Otherwise you leave a spot empty for in your registration to make up for the lack of eligible players.

That being said players under 21 do not have to be registered so there is scope for us to go out and sign a couple players who can fill up that quota without having to use the space on lads who don't actually need to be registered.
You can only have a maximum of 4 club trained & 4 association trained players - currently we have 3 association trained players - the Cadden twins & Boyle so we can only sign 1 more association trained player for the Euro squad of 25. If you don't register the full 8 players (4 club trained or 4 association trained players) then your squad size reduces accordingly.

[EH21Hibee]

You can only have a maximum of 4 club trained & 4 association trained players - currently we have 3 association trained players - the Cadden twins & Boyle so we can only sign 1 more association trained player for the Euro squad of 25. If you don't register the full 8 players (4 club trained or 4 association trained players) then your squad size reduces accordingly.

4 maximum club trained players?

[CapitalGreen]

https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-Europa-League-2024/25/Article-31-Player-lists-Online

Bowie wouldn't count as he was at Raith Rovers for only 2 years and you needed to have spent at least 3 years at a club between the ages of 15-21.

Each club must include at least 2 goalkeepers on List A and 3 in total so Murray Johnston could go on the B list if we sign another goalkeeper to challenge for the number 1 spot next season.

I think Bowie will be fine as seasons 17/18, 18/19 and 19/20 will all count towards his locally trained status before he moved to Fulham. It is not required that the player has to have trained all 3 years at the same club. So his time at Fife Elite and 2 years with RR combined is enough.

[foxy]

4 maximum club trained players?
Sorry as a minimum up to 4 places are reserved exclusively for club trained players but if we don't register the full 4 players then the squad size is reduced down from 25 accordingly.

[Centre Hawf]

You can only have a maximum of 4 club trained & 4 association trained players - currently we have 3 association trained players - the Cadden twins & Boyle so we can only sign 1 more association trained player for the Euro squad of 25. If you don't register the full 8 players (4 club trained or 4 association trained players) then your squad size reduces accordingly.

I’m not sure on the wording but maximum is not my understanding of it. We need a minimum of 4 club trained between 15-21 and an additional 4 who are also just association trained between 15-21. Anyone club trained is obviously automatically association trained.

[AlbertK86]

Yes - in a Europa League/Conference 'A' squad of 25 you need 8 home grown players. 4 must have come through Hibs academy and 4 through other Scottish clubs and the other 17 from the rest of the UK or abroad.
Currently we have 3 that have come through other Scottish clubs - the Cadden twins & Boyle (another reason to keep him). The 4 that have come through our academy could possibly be Campbell, Molotnikov, Megwa & Oscar MacIntyre.

Reckon Jacob McIntyre might be in as well


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[Centre Hawf]

Reckon Jacob McIntyre might be in as well


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He won’t have to be registered due to his age. The 25 man squad is for those over 21 so we have room to add names.

As it stands we’ll have a squad of 19 players over the 21 age limit that will need to be registered next season. That includes Jair, Vente, Elie, and Delferriere who I imagine will all not actually be here or part of the squad, so 15. 16 if Boyle stays.

Lets assume they all leave, Boyle stays and Holiett resigns too then we have scope to go out and add about 6 players who do not fit any registration criteria. This will be likely need to be used for -
Back up keeper.
Rocky replacement.
Gayle replacement.
Triantis replacement?
Mykola replacement?

Of course all those guys could stay next season, but they’d still fill the slots in the squad registration and not contribute to the quota. That doesn’t actually leave us much room to sign anyone else to ADD to the squad we already have. We’d have about two more slots for new signings to take us to 23 and leave 2 open for the lack of eligible club trained players over the age limit.

[Unseen work]

Triantis latest press interview has given me a bit of optimism about him staying🤞

[My old man]

Triantis latest press interview has given me a bit of optimism about him staying🤞

Where about unseen?

[Unseen work]

Where about unseen?

On Hibs TV mate.

I’m maybe reading too much into it but he says along the lines of the most important thing for him and getting in the Australia squad for the World Cup is playing every week, he further said that Hibs/SPFL is a really good level and if performing well you’ll get in the squad.

Gave the impression that he’s open to staying as he knows he’ll play, where as he could return to Sunderland/go to another team that don’t appreciate him as much and not play which results in him missing out of the squad

[BoomtownHibees]

Scott Burns:

“Hibs keen on Hartberg keeper Raphael Sallinger. The Austrian has a summer buyout clause that Hibs know they can meet”

Probably means he’s going somewhere else

[Callum_62]

Scott Burns:

“Hibs keen on Hartberg keeper Raphael Sallinger. The Austrian has a summer buyout clause that Hibs know they can meet”

Probably means he’s going somewhere else6 foot 5 is a good start

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[Smartie]

Scott Burns:

“Hibs keen on Hartberg keeper Raphael Sallinger. The Austrian has a summer buyout clause that Hibs know they can meet”

Probably means he’s going somewhere else

Played very little football in his career for someone of his age. This season, at 29, looks to have been the first time he's been a first choice anywhere.

[GloryGlory]

Played very little football in his career for someone of his age. This season, at 29, looks to have been the first time he's been a first choice anywhere.

A bit like Jordan Smith? :greengrin

[CallumLaidlaw]

Played very little football in his career for someone of his age. This season, at 29, looks to have been the first time he's been a first choice anywhere.

From what I can see he’s played -
24/25 - 36
23/24 - 37
22/23 - 21

So looks like he started 22/23 on the bench but got in the team in the first half of the season and has been first choice ever since.


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[CentreForward]

116 appearances in 13 years as a senior pro!

[Smartie]

From what I can see he’s played -
24/25 - 36
23/24 - 37
22/23 - 21

So looks like he started 22/23 on the bench but got in the team in the first half of the season and has been first choice ever since.


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Yep, that looks right.

So to be fair, he's been a first choice all of this season and last.

Odd looking career up to 22-23 though.

[04Sauzee]

Yep, that looks right.

So to be fair, he's been a first choice all of this season and last.

Odd looking career up to 22-23 though.

He's 29 and granted doesn't look like he'd had a huge number of games before the age of 26/27. Wonder how it stacks up with someone like Daniel Anderson at Hibs who I thought was a fantastic keeper.

[bingo70]

116 appearances in 13 years as a senior pro!

That’s not that unusual for goalies.

It’s pretty rare for goalkeepers to become regulars under 25/26 years old. Obviously there’s exceptions to that but i don’t see it as a red flag he’s not played masses of football.

[Lago]

Scott Burns:

“Hibs keen on Hartberg keeper Raphael Sallinger. The Austrian has a summer buyout clause that Hibs know they can meet”

Probably means he’s going somewhere else
Yeah, a rumour, more please 👍

[HendoDelivered]

The lack of games doesn’t worry me one but. Just look at Smith. Also encouraging he’s been first choice for the last 2 seasons.

[CentreForward]

That’s not that unusual for goalies.

It’s pretty rare for goalkeepers to become regulars under 25/26 years old. Obviously there’s exceptions to that but i don’t see it as a red flag he’s not played masses of football.

Fair enough and that certainly can be the case with goalies. Aren’t we supposed to be bringing in the guy from Bournemouth? Paulsson I think it is.

[Coco Bryce]

We should go for that young laddie Lamine Yamal. Only 17 but defo has a good future ahead of him 😂

[BoomtownHibees]

We should go for that young laddie Lamine Yamal. Only 17 but defo has a good future ahead of him 😂

Swap deal with Jair

[HoboHarry]

Swap deal with Jair

They'd have tae throw in some cash anaw.....

[badabing67]

Scott Burns:

“Hibs keen on Hartberg keeper Raphael Sallinger. The Austrian has a summer buyout clause that Hibs know they can meet”

Probably means he’s going somewhere else

Yeah could be a Black Knights signing. Raphael Sallinger to Auckland, Alex Paulsen to Hibs

[EH21Hibee]

Seems to be some talk on Twitter about a porteous return..

[Thatdayinmay16]

Seems to be some talk on Twitter about a porteous return..

Where's this? I've been on for the last hour or so and haven't seen a thing.

Nothing when you search his name either.

[Donegal Hibby]

Seems to be some talk on Twitter about a porteous return..

Be disappointed if this is true as it probably means Rocky is going who I think is a better player .

[ElginHibbie]

Seems to be some talk on Twitter about a porteous return..

We will hopefully need to think about homegrown players, even if Rocky stays could make a lot of sense

[HoboHarry]

Be disappointed if this is true as it probably means Rocky is going who I think is a better player .
Not sure why disappointment comes into it, if Rocky leaves it's because he's had an offer more than we can match, it's not like Hibs are chasing him out to replace him with Porteous. Porteous is also a quality player if he can keep his head straight...

[Donegal Hibby]

Not sure why disappointment comes into it, if Rocky leaves it's because he's had an offer more than we can match, it's not like Hibs are chasing him out to replace him with Porteous. Porteous is also a quality player if he can keep his head straight...

Just think we would be losing a player with a better character and attitude . You’re right in he’s also quality and him keeping the head straight is a big ‘ If ‘ . Hopefully Gray can if true though.

[supermcginn]

Seems to be some talk on Twitter about a porteous return..

Seems to be gathering pace, if true he is a huge upgrade on Ekpiteta and O'Hora and he's' better than Miller and Rocky.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Seems to be gathering pace, if true he is a huge upgrade on Ekpiteta and O'Hora and he's' better than Miller and Rocky.

I'm not completely sold on O'Hora or Ekpiteta however I'd absolutely loved to be proven wrong on both.

With European football on the horizon, I'd definitely take Ryan back for what will be a busy schedule up till at least Christmas.

[Hibernian Verse]

Sallinger has faced the most shots in the Austrian Bundesliga with a save % of 73.3. Quite impressive.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

Seems to be gathering pace, if true he is a huge upgrade on Ekpiteta and O'Hora and he's' better than Miller and Rocky.

He's definitely better than Marv and O'Hora however he would be instantly targeted by the media, Huns, Goodwin, can't remember who else had it in for him but he'd be walking a tightrope every single week with the refs who would be itching to send him off.

When you think back it's actually scandalous that Goodwin only got a touchline ban for a few matches.

[The Spaceman]

Sallinger has faced the most shots in the Austrian Bundesliga with a save % of 73.3. Quite impressive.

Awrite Jamestown!

[K-Zazu]

https://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/ryan-porteous.61308/

Lots of mixed options on Porteous from Watford fans mostly quite negative

[Jones28]

https://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/ryan-porteous.61308/

Lots of mixed options on Porteous from Watford fans mostly quite negative

An older thread but not exactly complimentary.

My concern around RP is that he doesn't seem to have developed much, whereas in someone like Rocky we can really see how much better he's gotten in the last 6 months.

If you offered me Porteous to sign or Rocky to stay I'd be far more inclined to go with Rocky.

[Jock O]

https://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/ryan-porteous.61308/

Lots of mixed options on Porteous from Watford fans mostly quite negative


Lots of mixed opinions on Rocky on here, but sure most would be happy for him to stay!

A bit of me would like to see a combination of Rocky and Porteous next year, not sure how it would work, but it could, and if it did I suspect it would give us a very aggressive defence, in the right way.

Both very good players and both likely to make mistakes I hear you say, true, but I still say that is the same of any defender, especially the ones in Scotland. I prefer to think of how domineering they could be over the physical attackers in the league, I think Porteous played on right of back 3 at Watford didn't he? Not sure that would be his best position, for some reason I would think he might be more grounded, and covered better if he goes wandering, in a back 4, but not sure of any evidence to back that up.

He is definitely the type of player we should be going for, the slight hesitation is who it means we are losing to get him

Another one where time will tell!

[HoboHarry]

Lots of mixed opinions on Rocky on here, but sure most would be happy for him to stay!

A bit of me would like to see a combination of Rocky and Porteous next year, not sure how it would work, but it could, and if it did I suspect it would give us a very aggressive defence, in the right way.

Both very good players and both likely to make mistakes I hear you say, true, but I still say that is the same of any defender, especially the ones in Scotland. I prefer to think of how domineering they could be over the physical attackers in the league, I think Porteous played on right of back 3 at Watford didn't he? Not sure that would be his best position, for some reason I would think he might be more grounded, and covered better if he goes wandering, in a back 4, but not sure of any evidence to back that up.

He is definitely the type of player we should be going for, the slight hesitation is who it means we are losing to get him

Another one where time will tell!
Porteous divides opinions no doubt but whether you want him back or not this a cracking post from a Watford fan :greengrin...

He's a wholehearted player, that's for sure and nobody could accuse him of not giving it his all. He's also had some very good games, interspersed with some awful ones.

He's made some goal-saving blocks and tackles, while contributing one or two up the other end.

But....

It's not so much the lunging, sliding, buffeting and jostling etc that I mind. Nobody likes a lilly livered, cowering violet for a defender. It's the lack of discipline in doing what you're *supposed* to be doing. Not being where you're supposed to be. Leaving big gaps behind you along with a 15 yard long muddy skidmark from where your sliding tackle missed....

I don't know why he doesn't like it in Watford, by far Britain's most splendid and beautiful town and county, but if he doesn't like us then he can stick his forth up his firth and vice versa.

Sell.

[Billy Whizz]

Porteous divides opinions no doubt but whether you want him back or not this a cracking post from a Watford fan :greengrin...

He's a wholehearted player, that's for sure and nobody could accuse him of not giving it his all. He's also had some very good games, interspersed with some awful ones.

He's made some goal-saving blocks and tackles, while contributing one or two up the other end.

But....

It's not so much the lunging, sliding, buffeting and jostling etc that I mind. Nobody likes a lilly livered, cowering violet for a defender. It's the lack of discipline in doing what you're *supposed* to be doing. Not being where you're supposed to be. Leaving big gaps behind you along with a 15 yard long muddy skidmark from where your sliding tackle missed....

I don't know why he doesn't like it in Watford, by far Britain's most splendid and beautiful town and county, but if he doesn't like us then he can stick his forth up his firth and vice versa.

Sell.

Only good thing about Watford, is they have a Costco

[Centre Hawf]

To be fair if Rocky's next club ever looked at this forum to gauge what we thought of him you'd find a lot of criticism too so I'm not that worried about what Watford fans think of Porteous.

Fans are fickle and Porto started well at Watford before falling off, but then again that place is as up and down as they come and can imagine it's difficult to get any stability there, for me I'd welcome him back regardless of what it means for Rocky's situation.

He's a good footballer who has experience at a big stage with Scotland and played a lot of games in a strong league in the Championship, and the added benefit of he should be coming into the peak period of his career means it should be a no brainer of a move for a club like us before you take into account his connection with us. I will concede he would have to cut out some of the billy big bollocks stuff and be a real leader and not just a shouter though as he came across as if he thought he was the finished product when here.

[HoboHarry]

Only good thing about Watford, is they have a Costco
So does Conroe where I live so they can keep Watford :greengrin

[keep the faith]

Seems to be gathering pace, if true he is a huge upgrade on Ekpiteta and O'Hora and he's' better than Miller and Rocky.

Would rather miller or rocky any day of the week. It's less the rash stuff with Porto (and there can be a lot of that) and more the berating of team mates, all about me, etc. Our team spirit is incredible right now. I would hate to see that disrupted.
Only my view of course. I trust DG to know best.

[hibsbollah]

Porteous divides opinions no doubt but whether you want him back or not this a cracking post from a Watford fan :greengrin...

He's a wholehearted player, that's for sure and nobody could accuse him of not giving it his all. He's also had some very good games, interspersed with some awful ones.

He's made some goal-saving blocks and tackles, while contributing one or two up the other end.

But....

It's not so much the lunging, sliding, buffeting and jostling etc that I mind. Nobody likes a lilly livered, cowering violet for a defender. It's the lack of discipline in doing what you're *supposed* to be doing. Not being where you're supposed to be. Leaving big gaps behind you along with a 15 yard long muddy skidmark from where your sliding tackle missed....

I don't know why he doesn't like it in Watford, by far Britain's most splendid and beautiful town and county, but if he doesn't like us then he can stick his forth up his firth and vice versa.

Sell.

Thats pretty funny. Tend to agree with most of it.

[Nicho87]

Wouldn’t want Porto back yet

Too much indiscipline

Too much baggage on the pitch

Target for refs

We’re quite fine at the moment

Rocky or not

[CapitalGreen]

https://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/ryan-porteous.61308/

Lots of mixed options on Porteous from Watford fans mostly quite negative

Fortunately I’ve seen enough of Porteous to not require the opinions of Watford fans to form my opinion. Part of a defence that was the best outwith the OF in back to back seasons and our 2nd best defensive record since we won the league in 1951.

[easty]

Fortunately I’ve seen enough of Porteous to not require the opinions of Watford fans to form my opinion. Part of a defence that was the best outwith the OF in back to back seasons and our 2nd best defensive record since we won the league in 1951.

:agree:

[Mcbizz1998]

Would be happy with Porto back. He’s an international defender and massive Hibee. Good to have a few fans in the team who know what it’s all about here.

[JeMeSouviens]

Would be happy with Porto back. He’s an international defender and massive Hibee. Good to have a few fans in the team who know what it’s all about here.

A season or 2 with SDG who will know him inside out might be exactly what he needs.

[Mcbizz1998]

A season or 2 with SDG who will know him inside out might be exactly what he needs.

Absolutely. Look what SDG has done for other players at the club. Rocky was considered a complete no hoper (by me anyway) and now we are all desperate to keep him.

Confident our manger could bring the best out of Porto.

[H18S NX]

Wouldn’t want Porto back yet

Too much indiscipline

Too much baggage on the pitch

Target for refs

We’re quite fine at the moment

Rocky or not...Have to agree with you m8.

[Unseen work]

I think Porteous coming back would change him as a player and person.

Before he was probably of the opinion he’d get a move to a higher level etc

Coming back I think he’d realise that Hibs are his future and at the age of 26, he’d be an experienced player who has a good chance of being captain.

I like to think he’d realise with that and especially with VAR, he can’t get away with half the things he previously done.

He needs to come back, fully concentrated and be a leader.

If he does that then we have a hell of a player on our hands and he has an oppertunity for more international appearances

[Springbank]

I'd welcome Porteous back - and in saying that SDG would also be well within his rights to say "you need to buy into my game plan - we won more derbies since you left than we ever did with you in the team. Let's work together and make more great on-field moments"

[Thatdayinmay16]

A season or 2 with SDG who will know him inside out might be exactly what he needs.

Absolutely, a man he'll know very well and respect infinitely.

If it happened, SDG is the correct man to get the best out of him.

[B.H.F.C]

Gray will know Porteous better than anyone. He was his captain when he broke through and then coached him. He’d only have him back if he thinks he can trust him so if there is anything in the rumours, then I’d be pretty comfortable with it.

Once you get past that, I think he’s a better player than O’Hora and Ekpiteta so I’d be happy enough to see him back on that basis.

[easty]

I'd welcome Porteous back - and in saying that SDG would also be well within his rights to say "you need to buy into my game plan - we won more derbies since you left than we ever did with you in the team. Let's work together and make more great on-field moments"

What a weird thing that would be for a manager to say to a potential signing.

[Donegal Hibby]

Would rather miller or rocky any day of the week. It's less the rash stuff with Porto (and there can be a lot of that) and more the berating of team mates, all about me, etc. Our team spirit is incredible right now. I would hate to see that disrupted.
Only my view of course. I trust DG to know best.

Agree with this.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Absolutely no desire from me personally to see Porteous back at Hibs. A decent player, a boyhood fan but cost us far too many times with his rash decision making. Dont think he would fit into our back 3 set up presently in any case. Our defence at the moment is as solid as its been for years and see no real reason to tinker with it. We should only be bringing in players who suit this current system.

[Since452]

No to Porteous for me.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Absolutely no desire from me personally to see Porteous back at Hibs. A decent player, a boyhood fan but cost us far too many times with his rash decision making. Dont think he would fit into our back 3 set up presently in any case. Our defence at the moment is as solid as its been for years and see no real reason to tinker with it. We should only be bringing in players who suit this current system.

Why wouldn't he suit playing in a back 3 for hibs when he has played and was comfortably one of Scotland top performers in said formation?

[Cabbage-Patch]

Why wouldn't he suit playing in a back 3 for hibs when he has played and was comfortably one of Scotland top performers in said formation?

He had a handful of games there for Scotland but top performer is a bit of a stretch. He had an absolute disaster at the euros and hes hardly featured for Scotland since as far I'm aware. He hasn't developed since he's been away. I would have him over Ekpiteta but he certainly wouldn't be a starter and given his ego I can't see him settling for that. For that reason it's a no from me but personal opinion and all that.

[Lago]

No to Porteous for me.
Can't see it happening he'll have better offers in the EFL championship.

[Thatdayinmay16]

He had a handful of games there for Scotland but top performer is a bit of a stretch. He had an absolute disaster at the euros and hes hardly featured for Scotland since as far I'm aware. He hasn't developed since he's been away. I would have him over Ekpiteta but he certainly wouldn't be a starter and given his ego I can't see him settling for that. For that reason it's a no from me but personal opinion and all that.

Wouldn't say it was a stretch, defensively against Spain at home (even away albeit losing the game 2-0) he was immense in both games.

Cyprus, Norway, 2x Georgia - excellent in all. The 0-0 against Ukraine was motm if I'm not mistaken?

Bar the mistake he made in Germany he was excellent in a Scotland shirt.

[easty]

Absolutely no desire from me personally to see Porteous back at Hibs. A decent player, a boyhood fan but cost us far too many times with his rash decision making. Dont think he would fit into our back 3 set up presently in any case. Our defence at the moment is as solid as its been for years and see no real reason to tinker with it. We should only be bringing in players who suit this current system.

It's as solid as it has been since the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons, where we conceded less goals per game in the league. Incidentally, the last 2 full seasons Porteous played for Hibs.

[Nevi_SOL]

I'd take porteous back in a heartbeat, especially under gray.

I think RP would see the uptake in Rocky's form and think he'd be playing under a head coach who he played with who will make him a better player.

[Paul1642]

Massive yes for me for Porto.

The market of players who were really good in Scotland (which Porto was), then don’t quite cut it down south, is a good market to shop in IMO.

It was less than a year ago he was a Scotland first choice CB. He can make that position his again with bit of good form. It’s been a while since we had player regularly in the Scotland squad which probably says a lot about his ability when he’s at his best.

[Nevi_SOL]

Would also be huge for our homegrown quota for europe

[TrinityHFC]

Seems to be gathering pace, if true he is a huge upgrade on Ekpiteta and O'Hora and he's' better than Miller and Rocky.

As far as I can see there is one recent post on X from a random fan asking if we’d take him back.

[500miles]

Massive yes for me for Porto.

The market of players who were really good in Scotland (which Porto was), then don’t quite cut it down south, is a good market to shop in IMO.

It was less than a year ago he was a Scotland first choice CB. He can make that position his again with bit of good form. It’s been a while since we had player regularly in the Scotland squad which probably says a lot about his ability when he’s at his best.

He was cutting it though, playing regularly until pretty recently.

Seems a really strange situation.

[Paul1642]

He was cutting it though, playing regularly until pretty recently.

Seems a really strange situation.

I think fan opinion of him was mixed at best even if he was playing. Your correct though in that he was doing enough to maintain a place.

The situation is pretty strange but if it work out that we get Porto back ill not be complaining.

[supermcginn]

As far as I can see there is one recent post on X from a random fan asking if we’d take him back.
There's more than that on the private forum I'm informed.

[BILLYHIBS]

He was cutting it though, playing regularly until pretty recently.

Seems a really strange situation.

Someone posted excerpts from a Watford forum pretty much the same as when he was here the same basic errors not learning developing or improving doing rash stuff stupid tackles etc

Went to PNE with Hecky fell down the pecking order now on the bench

Would be open to him returning in the hope that SDG will get further improvement out of him eradicate the errors and brain farts get him back to fulfilling his undoubted potential will benefit from playing in Europe with a good Hibs team and back into the Scotland set up

Onwards and upwards

[EH21Hibee]

Anyone saying they wouldn’t take Porto back has lost the plot entirely, especially if we lose Rocky which I imagine we are going to

[Pete70]

Wouldn’t want Porto back yet

Too much indiscipline

Too much baggage on the pitch

Target for refs

We’re quite fine at the moment

Rocky or not

This is kinda where I am. I think we can get better than Porto if Rocky was to leave.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No to Porteous for me.

Likewise.

He was really poor when he left us with the general consensus being he needed dropped.

Since then he’s went to Watford and been bombed out then been loaned to PNE where he couldn’t get a game whilst massively letting his country down by doing the same sort of crap he done over and over whilst here.

I’ve absolutely no confidence we’d be getting a better player back than the one that left as he doesn’t appear to be able to/want to learn from his mistakes.

[BILLYHIBS]

Likewise.

He was really poor when he left us with the general consensus being he needed dropped.

Since then he’s went to Watford and been bombed out then been loaned to PNE where he couldn’t get a game whilst massively letting his country down by doing the same sort of crap he done over and over whilst here.

I’ve absolutely no confidence we’d be getting a better player back than the one that left as he doesn’t appear to be able to/want to learn from his mistakes.
:agree:

Would be the last chance saloon

[cameronw-hfc]

Wouldn't take Porto back. Can be an excellent player, but he more than divides opinion and his excellent games are offset by his downright ridiculous games. I remember the season he left was potentially the worst I've seen it for goals he was directly involved in. Sure there were a few weeks in a row he threw himself to the ground at the slightest touch and missed headers that lead to goals.

If he's more level headed and grown up, maybe, but going by the posts on the Watford forum it seems he's the same player. Most weren't saying he was a terrible footballer, albeit a few did, it was the same things we said. Can be rash, lunges in, brainless moments.

If he comes back he'll get my full support, just not sure it's the best option available

[The Modfather]

Likewise.

He was really poor when he left us with the general consensus being he needed dropped.

Since then he’s went to Watford and been bombed out then been loaned to PNE where he couldn’t get a game whilst massively letting his country down by doing the same sort of crap he done over and over whilst here.

I’ve absolutely no confidence we’d be getting a better player back than the one that left as he doesn’t appear to be able to/want to learn from his mistakes.

Part of the reason, but by no means the only reason, was he was having to try and plug the glaring holes in a crab midfield in front of him. He wouldn’t have to try and do the midfields job for them this time.

As we saw for long spells for Scotland. A competent manager that knows how to pragmatically and effectively set up a team saw him play some of his best football. I think we would see the same under Gray. Would love to have him back.

[tonyrougier123]

Porteous might not be what we need, don’t think he’s ironed out his flaws bit erratic at times still. Bit too full of himself for this team as well at the moment. A humble Ryan porteous head screwed on focused on hibs yes. Porteous who’s learned nothing from his time in England no. How about someone like Nikola katic instead, solid defender type of player could improve us. That’s the type I’d like us to be associated with. But if it happens with porteous fair enough good hibby and would be welcomed.

[Wilson]

Porteous might not be what we need, don’t think he’s ironed out his flaws bit erratic at times still. Bit too full of himself for this team as well at the moment. A humble Ryan porteous head screwed on focused on hibs yes. Porteous who’s learned nothing from his time in England no. How about someone like Nikola katic instead, solid defender type of player could improve us. That’s the type I’d like us to be associated with. But if it happens with porteous fair enough good hibby and would be welcomed.

He's on loan at Plymouth from Zurich. Why isn't it happening for Katic there? Perhaps he's not the player he was since he did his knee? I'd be giving him a very thorough medical if we were in for him. Think we have more chance of Porto because of the hibs connection. Gray would get the bestvof him in a good hibs side.

[SickBoy32]

😂😂😂 folk no wanting Porteous back wow

[cameronw-hfc]

😂😂😂 folk no wanting Porteous back wow


With valid reasons. This isn't a situation where one opinion is right and one is wrong, theres valid reasons to want him back, and valid reasons to be against it.

[tonyrougier123]

😂😂😂 folk no wanting Porteous back wow

Where is the rumour even coming from?

[bingo70]

Likewise.

He was really poor when he left us with the general consensus being he needed dropped.

Since then he’s went to Watford and been bombed out then been loaned to PNE where he couldn’t get a game whilst massively letting his country down by doing the same sort of crap he done over and over whilst here.

I’ve absolutely no confidence we’d be getting a better player back than the one that left as he doesn’t appear to be able to/want to learn from his mistakes.

I don’t agree the general consensus when he left was that he needed dropped.

I think he was excellent when he was with us before and I suspect we would be getting a better version of him back as he’s a bit more experienced and a bit more mature now. A spell out the Scottish media limelight would have done him the world of good too.

I’ll be delighted if he comes back.

[djw80!]

Porto was a great player, a little brash at time with tackles but still a great player and regardless of what folk would make you believe he only had 4? red cards in all his games with Hibs, i think DG would work wonders for him.

[BILLYHIBS]

Where is the rumour even coming from?

Private Board

[Ship of Hope]

Maybe looking at him as a replacement for triantis rather than rocky.. sure he played there previously with us in his last season..?

[Joe6-2]

Private Board

Anyone read it?

[Hibernian Verse]

Anyone read it?

It’s only a tenner to sign up!

[J-C]

Gray and his staff are making a big difference with some of the players, especially underperforming ones like Rocky, who still makes mistakes but you have to remember the level we're playing at and the level of players we're expected to get, players like Rocky and Porteous will always make the odd error but they can be very good at this level. If Porteous wants back and he wants to work hard and improve, then I'd be happy with that.

[500miles]

I think fan opinion of him was mixed at best even if he was playing. Your correct though in that he was doing enough to maintain a place.

The situation is pretty strange but if it work out that we get Porto back ill not be complaining.

Watford certainly didn’t get better without him. Centre half’s are always magnets for criticism. We had the best defence outside the OF for 3 years and all I heard is how Porteous was erratic, Efe was a bombscare and Hanlon was too slow and weak.

[andrew70]

If there’s even a remote possibility we have to sign Porteous instantly improves the first XI.

[Iain G]

Maybe looking at him as a replacement for triantis rather than rocky.. sure he played there previously with us in his last season..?

He was awful in that midfield role! Unlike Triantis he looked like a centre half playing in the wrong position

[wookie70]

I look at Rocky and Miller. Both had all the attributes you need to be a really good central defender in Scotland. Pace, strength, power and good in the air. What they both lacked was positional awareness and often getting dragged away from where they should be or making errors because they didn't do the simple thing. SDG has almost eradicated that in those two and I see no reason he couldn't improve Porteous too.

[CapitalGreen]

I look at Rocky and Miller. Both had all the attributes you need to be a really good central defender in Scotland. Pace, strength, power and good in the air. What they both lacked was positional awareness and often getting dragged away from where they should be or making errors because they didn't do the simple thing. SDG has almost eradicated that in those two and I see no reason he couldn't improve Porteous too.

Porteous would arrive as an upgrade on Miller at RCB regardless of whether SDG makes any improvements to his game.

[chasitup]

Porteous would arrive as an upgrade on Miller at RCB regardless of whether SDG makes any improvements to his game.
I’d rather have Miller if it was a choice of the two.

[Northernhibee]

Lacks discipline and has frankly been bang average for quite a while now.

Big downgrade on Rocky if true.

[Ozyhibby]

Likewise.

He was really poor when he left us with the general consensus being he needed dropped.

Since then he’s went to Watford and been bombed out then been loaned to PNE where he couldn’t get a game whilst massively letting his country down by doing the same sort of crap he done over and over whilst here.

I’ve absolutely no confidence we’d be getting a better player back than the one that left as he doesn’t appear to be able to/want to learn from his mistakes.

That wasn’t the general consensus. When Porteous left us our defence got considerably worse. We missed him badly.
This would be a cracking signing for Hibs.


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[Ozyhibby]

Last two full seasons Porteous played we lost 42 and 34 goals.
The next season he played until Jan and we lost 59 goals and then 59 goals again the season afterwards.


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[Centre Hawf]

I’d rather have Miller if it was a choice of the two.

As good as Miller has been for us this last 6 months that’s all it’s really been. Similar can be said of Rocky. Porteous was as good as they two have been recently for multiple seasons at a younger age.

[CapitalGreen]

Last two full seasons Porteous played we lost 42 and 34 goals.
The next season he played until Jan and we lost 59 goals and then 59 goals again the season afterwards.


Goals conceded p90 while Porteous was on the pitch - 1.17

Goals conceded p90 since Porteous left - 1.40

[Ozyhibby]

Goals conceded p90 while Porteous was on the pitch - 1.17

Goals conceded p90 since Porteous left - 1.40

Chuck in a goal up the other end every ten games or so.[emoji106]


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[Prof. Shaggy]

Funnily enough, I had the impression that our goals against improved dramatically the day he left.

[HFC93]

Crazy amount of disrespect shown towards Porteous by some posters on this thread. He'd be a really good signing for us.

[SickBoy32]

Crazy amount of disrespect shown towards Porteous by some posters on this thread. He'd be a really good signing for us.

Absolutely baffling eh. It’s like some folk go to ER with their eyes shut.

Either that or they’re a wee bit susceptible to the musings of the (bias) media.

Reading on here that he’s a downgrade on Bushiri FFS 😂

[truehibernian]

Can’t remember Ryan ever playing part of a back 3 in a 3-5-2 - might slot in much better than when he was in a pairing. Have to admit though, it’s a no from me I’m afraid. Too often played the occasion and not the game, particularly big games v Hearts and The Rangers, and there’s absolutely no doubt referees and media targeted him negatively. Whole hearted without doubt, good on the ball, but he’s never rid himself of the ill discipline which I think is innate in him and no amount of coaching will cure. Always wish him the very best but would rather we focus on other targets.

[Unseen work]

Crazy amount of disrespect shown towards Porteous by some posters on this thread. He'd be a really good signing for us.

I agree he’d be a really good signing and would want to see him back.

However, I remember when he was here last time I was at the stage where I thought I just wanted him to leave already. There was far too much going on around him it felt like and a bit of a media circus every time we played rangers.

He was making mistakes by chasing after the ball and leaving huge gaps at the back, acting a bit too cocky and it just felt like, imo, he thought he was too good to be here. I think VAR being in play could actually be a good thing for him as he would know he can’t take the slightest risk as they’d be desperate to send him off

Will Fish replaced him in the centre of defence and was absolutely brilliant. No nothing fancy, no drama and just kept things simple. I think alot of fans liked that compared to Porto.

Rocky has now done unbelievable this season, maybe some are thinking we can get better centre halves without the added baggage. Jason Kerr for example? Not saying he’s better but he’s probably a more consistent and less flash centre back.

If Porto was to come back I really hope he’d listen to SDG and stick to basics, he’s shown he can do it for Scotland.

[CapitalGreen]

Can’t remember Ryan ever playing part of a back 3 in a 3-5-2 - might slot in much better than when he was in a pairing. Have to admit though, it’s a no from me I’m afraid. Too often played the occasion and not the game, particularly big games v Hearts and The Rangers, and there’s absolutely no doubt referees and media targeted him negatively. Whole hearted without doubt, good on the ball, but he’s never rid himself of the ill discipline which I think is innate in him and no amount of coaching will cure. Always wish him the very best but would rather we focus on other targets.

Not always in a 3-5-2 but he played in a back 3 numerous times under Ross, Maloney and Johnson.

[Gmack7]

Not always in a 3-5-2 but he played in a back 3 numerous times under Ross, Maloney and Johnson.

And for Scotland

[JimBHibees]

Porteous would arrive as an upgrade on Miller at RCB regardless of whether SDG makes any improvements to his game.

If Rocky was leaving we could have both. Porto is an excellent player and playing in a back three should suit as good on the ball and can bring ball out

[CapitalGreen]

I agree he’d be a really good signing and would want to see him back.

However, I remember when he was here last time I was at the stage where I thought I just wanted him to leave already. There was far too much going on around him it felt like and a bit of a media circus every time we played rangers.

He was making mistakes by chasing after the ball and leaving huge gaps at the back, acting a bit too cocky and it just felt like, imo, he thought he was too good to be here. I think VAR being in play could actually be a good thing for him as he would know he can’t take the slightest risk as they’d be desperate to send him off

Will Fish replaced him in the centre of defence and was absolutely brilliant. No nothing fancy, no drama and just kept things simple. I think alot of fans liked that compared to Porto.

Rocky has now done unbelievable this season, maybe some are thinking we can get better centre halves without the added baggage. Jason Kerr for example? Not saying he’s better but he’s probably a more consistent and less flash centre back.

If Porto was to come back I really hope he’d listen to SDG and stick to basics, he’s shown he can do it for Scotland.

In 2022/23, Hanlon and Porteous conceded just 1.11 goals per 90 when played as a pair.

When Rocky played we conceded 2.12 goals per 90.

When Porteous left and Rocky was injured, Hanlon and Fish conceded 1.38 goals per 90.

Porteous wasn’t the issue - LJ and his decision to bring Rocky into a defensive unit which was working was.

[Since452]

Crazy amount of disrespect shown towards Porteous by some posters on this thread. He'd be a really good signing for us.

I don't think it's disrespectful to not want a player back. Porteous leaving was good for him and good for us. I can't be bothered with the media, refs and opposition fans side show that came with Porteous. For me that ship has very much sailed.

If he came back I'd back him but I hope he's matured both on and off the park.

[JimBHibees]

Lacks discipline and has frankly been bang average for quite a while now.

Big downgrade on Rocky if true.

He really isn’t played regularly in the Championship last season which is old firm aside a higher standard than our league

[blackpoolhibs]

Last two full seasons Porteous played we lost 42 and 34 goals.
The next season he played until Jan and we lost 59 goals and then 59 goals again the season afterwards.


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Damn you with all your facts, I do laugh at the mental gymnastics folk go through trying to diss someone like Porteous and indeed McInness who in general perform much better over the piece than anything we normally do, but they are not good enough for us because they just dont like them. :faf:

[Unseen work]

In 2022/23, Hanlon and Porteous conceded just 1.11 goals per 90 when played as a pair.

When Rocky played we conceded 2.12 goals per 90.

When Porteous left and Rocky was injured, Hanlon and Fish conceded 1.38 goals per 90.

Porteous wasn’t the issue - LJ and his decision to bring Rocky into a defensive unit which was working was.

Rocky has undoubtedly improved massively.

But that doesn’t take away from Porteous’ mistakes or short comings.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That wasn’t the general consensus. When Porteous left us our defence got considerably worse. We missed him badly.
This would be a cracking signing for Hibs.


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https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?358355-Ryan-Porteous

From the summer prior to him leaving

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?359862-Porteous&p=7161605#post7161605

From the November prior to him leaving

The general consensus was absolutely that he needed dropped. He was in a sustained period of awful form.

[CapitalGreen]

Rocky has undoubtedly improved massively.

But that doesn’t take away from Porteous’ mistakes or short comings.

Every defender we have had has made mistakes. The purpose of defending is to concede as few goals as possible, our best seasons doing that in recent years have included Porteous in defence.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t agree the general consensus when he left was that he needed dropped.

I think he was excellent when he was with us before and I suspect we would be getting a better version of him back as he’s a bit more experienced and a bit more mature now. A spell out the Scottish media limelight would have done him the world of good too.

I’ll be delighted if he comes back.

The two links I’ve provided above suggest otherwise. He was absolutely brutal when he left and it was most definitely generally accepted that was the case.

Why do we think he’s matured? It’s only a year since he let his country down with a frankly ludicrous tackle in the first game of a major tournament and fans of his parent club describe him as the exact same immature player that left us. There doesn’t appear to be anything to suggest he’s matured at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Every defender we have had has made mistakes. The purpose of defending is to concede as few goals as possible, our best seasons doing that in recent years have included Porteous in defence.

Our best season also included Paul McGinn and Paul Hanlon, it doesn’t mean we should be bringing them back.

[CapitalGreen]

Our best season also included Paul McGinn and Paul Hanlon, it doesn’t mean we should be bringing them back.

If either player were still in their mid-late 20s I’d have no problem having either player in our team. Would you?

[Unseen work]

Every defender we have had has made mistakes. The purpose of defending is to concede as few goals as possible, our best seasons doing that in recent years have included Porteous in defence.

I feel like you’re trying to argue against a point that I’m not making?

I don’t know where you’ve got your stats from and not doubting them, but what’s the stats since Rocky/Iredale came into the squad this season?

And what was the stats from the Covid season when we finished 3rd?

[CapitalGreen]

I feel like you’re trying to argue against a point that I’m not making?

I don’t know where you’ve got your stats from and not doubting them, but what’s the stats since Rocky/Iredale came into the squad this season?

And what was the stats from the Covid season when we finished 3rd?

Jack Iredale this season is 1.22 per 90
Rocky this season is 1.19 per 90

Ryan Porteous over his whole time at Hibs was 1.17 per 90
Ryan Porteous during 20/21 specifically was 1.01 per 90

[Bostonhibby]

I'd have Porteous back in a second, quality defender, my issue would be where does he play/who does he replace in a very settled side, unless one of our first pick defenders is leaving. Rocky and Miller are showing significant improvement which hopefully continues.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

If either player were still in their mid-late 20s I’d have no problem having either player in our team. Would you?

It would depend what version of them we were getting. If it was a version that was getting bombed out of national team, parent club and loan club and they appeared to have the same major flaws they had when they left us (which I’d have dropped him for at the time) then I wouldn’t be in a hurry to take them either.

[CapitalGreen]

I'd have Porteous back in a second, quality defender, my issue would be where does ge play/who does he replace in a very settled side, unless one if our first pick defenders is leaving. Rocky and Miller are showing significant improvement which hopefully continues.


Rocky is running down his contract and at present will leave for nothing in the summer.

[BILLYHIBS]

Anyone read it?

Only £10 per annum to sign up

Helps the site

Got the inside gossip days ago

[Bostonhibby]

Rocky is running down his contract and at present will leave for nothing in the summer.[emoji106] know that, just looking at the here and now. Given the choice I'd keep Rocky. A settled Porteous, could well be at least as good.

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[Ozyhibby]

I don't think it's disrespectful to not want a player back. Porteous leaving was good for him and good for us. I can't be bothered with the media, refs and opposition fans side show that came with Porteous. For me that ship has very much sailed.

If he came back I'd back him but I hope he's matured both on and off the park.

How was it good for us? We got considerably worse?


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[Paulie Walnuts]

How was it good for us? We got considerably worse?


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We were 6th in the league when he left and we finished 5th. We picked up 1.22ppg before he left that season and 1.56ppg after he left. We went on an undefeated run of 5 games conceding 2 goals immediately after he left. We got considerably better by every measure.

[ElginHibbie]

How was it good for us? We got considerably worse?


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Before he left we had won 4 in 14 league games, losing 9 of them. Not mention losing 3-0 to Hearts twice in a month.

After he left won 4 of the next 5 games and only lost 5 games in remaining 16 fixtures.

[CapitalGreen]

We were 6th in the league when he left and we finished 5th. We picked up 1.22ppg before he left that season and 1.56ppg after he left. We got considerably better.

Him leaving coincided with Rocky getting injured for the remainder of the season. If Porteous hadn’t left when Rocky got injured it would have been him and Hanlon who were an excellent partnership at the start of that season.

[supermcginn]

I'd have Porteous back in a second, quality defender, my issue would be where does he play/who does he replace in a very settled side, unless one of our first pick defenders is leaving. Rocky and Miller are showing significant improvement which hopefully continues.

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Miller can't even get a game just now in front of O'Hora and was only tried in that position because he couldn't get a regular game in his own position in front of Cadden. Porteous is a different level.

[500miles]

Our best season also included Paul McGinn and Paul Hanlon, it doesn’t mean we should be bringing them back.

In their prime? Absolutely, 100%.

[Bostonhibby]

Miller can't even get a game just now in front of O'Hora and was only tried in that position because he couldn't get a regular game in his own position in front of Cadden. Porteous is a different level.Yet you could argue, and some have, that Miller has made a good and improved contribution to the recent run ?

Either way, the team's improved and I'm still in the camp that very much would welcome Porto back.

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[CapitalGreen]

Before he left we had won 4 in 14 league games, losing 9 of them. Not mention losing 3-0 to Hearts twice in a month.

After he left won 4 of the next 5 games and only lost 5 games in remaining 16 fixtures.

Rocky and Hanlon played centre back in more of those games than Porteous did.

[Since452]

I had a complete hissy fit about SDG bringing Triantis back so if he wants to bring Porteous back then I should maybe trust his judgement.

[ElginHibbie]

Rocky and Hanlon played centre back in more of those games than Porteous did.

He missed the 3-0 league game fair enough, but apart from that he played basically every minute that season and we didn't get "considerably worse" after he left is the point

[CentreLine]

Porteous would arrive as an upgrade on Miller at RCB regardless of whether SDG makes any improvements to his game.
Until he moves to right centre back I could barely see a footballer in Miller. He was average at best, always out of position and I cringed every time he took one of those defensive dives that fooled nobody but left us exposed. I just didn’t want to see his name in the starting line up.

Then he slots in to a back three like he was born to it. He rarely misses a header and is a class act. Back three gives one of the centre backs the freedom to take a mazy run forward and he takes that in his stride. Suddenly we do have a quality player on our hands and I’d hate to see him leave. I’m all for Ryan Porteous coming back, he is a good player and a life long Hibs supporter but he’s got his work cut out if it’s Miller he’s expected to replace.

Personally, I think we’re seeing the end of Rocky and he would leave a big gap to fill. Don’t want to see him go but in a back three RP looks like he slots in there. Like both Rocky and Miller, Porteous did tend to be pulled about in a four. I’m excited to see him in a three where he has the freedom to go for a run.

[CapitalGreen]

He missed the 3-0 league game fair enough, but apart from that he played basically every minute that season and we didn't get "considerably worse" after he left is the point

Not at centre back he didn’t, a number of the games up to his departure he was playing in midfield and our centre back pairing was Rocky Bushiri and Paul Hanlon.

Over the opening 10 games of that season when we played a back 4 and Rocky missed a number of games injured, only Celtic conceded less goals than we did.

Our defensive record went to pot when LJ reintroduced Rocky at Celtic Park and improved again when Rocky got injured for the rest of the season.

[Trinity Hibee]

Porteous is a funny one. I wasn’t disappointed to see him go as felt by time he left he thought he was far better than he was and was barking at team mates for mistakes when he was just as culpable.

However, seeing what David Gray has done with Miller and Rocky, I do wonder if SDG would have the same effect on Porteous. He must be someone he respects and I do feel there is a player in there with Porteous he just needs to reign in the stupidity.

[ElginHibbie]

Our defensive record went to pot when LJ reintroduced Rocky at Celtic Park and improved again when Rocky got injured for the rest of the season.

That be the 6-1 game that Rocky didn't start but Porteous did and were 3-0 down before he came on?

Wild any criticism of Porteous just leads to trying to deflect onto other players like he was some innocent bystander and his mind wasn't somewhere else as it got closer to January that season

[RMQ1967]

Porteous is a funny one. I wasn’t disappointed to see him go as felt by time he left he thought he was far better than he was and was barking at team mates for mistakes when he was just as culpable.

However, seeing what David Gray has done with Miller and Rocky, I do wonder if SDG would have the same effect on Porteous. He must be someone he respects and I do feel there is a player in there with Porteous he just needs to reign in the stupidity.

Exactly where I am on this one - seems we have excellent coaching. I'll trust them to make the necessary improvements to his game if he returns

[JohnM1875]

Get what folk are saying about Gray improving players and that he could do that for Porto. But for that to happen there needs to be a willingness to learn and listen from the player.

By the sounds of it, Porto is still doing the same things and is just as rash going by the Watford forum. On the flip side, he has been, most of the time anyway, excellent when playing for Scotland, so maybe he can listen and improve.

[CapitalGreen]

That be the 6-1 game that Rocky didn't start but Porteous did and were 3-0 down before he came on?

Wild any criticism of Porteous just leads to trying to deflect onto other players like he was some innocent bystander and his mind wasn't somewhere else as it got closer to January that season

Changing a defensive unit that had been working well for the most part because they struggled at Celtic Park was a tactical masterstroke by LJ. Thankfully, SDG is unlikely to do the same after Saturday.

[HH81]

Rocky is running down his contract and at present will leave for nothing in the summer.

That's only true if Hibs have offered him a new contract.

[Brightside]

Is the case to bring him back all based on what he did in the past for Hibs? There is very little in his form down south that would make him someone we should go after.

[Wilson]

Is the case to bring him back all based on what he did in the past for Hibs? There is very little in his form down south that would make him someone we should go after.

If he was being a roaring success down South we couldn't afford him. Which kind of answers your question.

As it is we have a guy capable of getting international caps, who should be entering the best years of his career, who maybe needs a bit of a reset. Gettable for hibs if that's the case. And we have a manager who can help him get where he needs to be.

We won't have a line on too many players that can be as good as Ryan can be in the right environment.

[Hibbyradge]

That's only true if Hibs have offered him a new contract.

What do you mean?

Rocky will leave next week whether or not he's been offered a contract.

[500miles]

Is the case to bring him back all based on what he did in the past for Hibs? There is very little in his form down south that would make him someone we should go after.

I think if we can get a centre half that was a regular starter in a comfortable championship team for 2 seasons previous, who broke into the national team , that’s a great signing at our level.

[Coco Bryce]

Porteous couldn't even get a game in a **** Preston North End side.

I've watched many a game with him playing since he went down South. He's not really progressed since he left Hibs.

It's a NO from me.

[B.H.F.C]

If he was being a roaring success down South we couldn't afford him. Which kind of answers your question.

As it is we have a guy capable of getting international caps, who should be entering the best years of his career, who maybe needs a bit of a reset. Gettable for hibs if that's the case. And we have a manager who can help him get where he needs to be.

We won't have a line on too many players that can be as good as Ryan can be in the right environment.

Agree with this. Plenty examples of folk not quite doing it down there but coming back up the road and doing well. It’s not as if he’s been out in the cold all year either, he’s started 30 odd games at a good level this season. We wouldn’t, usually, be able to attract players who had been playing that regularly in the Championship.

I don’t think Porteous has ever got to the level that I thought he could when first coming through but I still think he could come back and be a very good player for us.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Tbf, Watford are an absolute basket case, he came in and done very well for the first 12 months, and usual the second his form dropped a bit he was made to be a scapegoat, some of the comments I had seen surrounding Joao Pedro when he left tells me all I need to know about Watford fans.

Paul Heckingbottom brought him in, hasn't played him and currently has a 25.49 win rate at PNE.

He could be extremely unhappy with life down south and it could be effecting his performances, we don't know the full ins and outs.

All we know is when Ryan is happy and playing football regularly he is a top player.

3rd place finish and his G/C record while playing in a settled defence is enough evidence to bring him back, our schedule, his international and SPFL experience and performances in a back 3/5 for Scotland will suit us nicely.

[Gatecrasher]

I have no idea where this rumour has come from but Porto in a settled defence in place of Rocky would be a great signing. Porto was in a poor hibs team compared to where we are now.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Our best season also included Paul McGinn and Paul Hanlon, it doesn’t mean we should be bringing them back.

Considering Ryan is 26 and McGinn & Hanlon are 34/35 respectively and now reaching the twilight years of their careers this doesn't really make sense.

IF both were the same age as Ryan they'd still be at hibs.

[Since452]

European group stage football could be huge in terms of who we can sign. Could be a game changer. Let's hope Celtic turn up in the Cup Final.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Porto seems to get himself into a comfort zone fairly easily and the slackness creeps back in. A motivated Porto that doesn't see a move back to Hibs as a step down I'd definitely have back though.

[JohnM1875]

According to the DR, Sallinger release clause is £300k, though he's keen on the move going into his final year so we’re confident we can negotiate the fee down a bit.

Still think going for Paulsen makes more sense.

[Donegal Hibby]

Rocky is 25 and Porto 26 . Not really much between them age wise . One seems well liked by his teammates , good character that we have had no ON/OFF field issues with .

The other one there has been situations ON/OFF field . I didn’t think his attitude was right towards the end and was glad when he moved on .

Honestly don’t think as a player he’s an improvement on Rocky , certainly not character or attitude wise anyhow . There’s a good spirit and togetherness in this squad and hopefully that remains.

[Hibernian Verse]

According to the DR, Sallinger release clause is £300k, though he's keen on the move going into his final year so we’re confident we can negotiate the fee down a bit.

Still think going for Paulsen makes more sense.

Could be an example of us saying no to BKFC and doing our own thing. We don't have to develop Paulsen for them if we see a 2/3/4 year deal for Sallinger as a better option for the club.

[blackpoolhibs]

Porteous couldn't even get a game in a **** Preston North End side.

I've watched many a game with him playing since he went down South. He's not really progressed since he left Hibs.

It's a NO from me.
Have a look at their league position and goals conceded and games lost, it's nothing to do with defending that they are poor, they cant score at the other end.

They have lost less times that Coventry who are in the play offs, they have conceded 59 goals 1 more than Coventry

[JohnM1875]

Could be an example of us saying no to BKFC and doing our own thing. We don't have to develop Paulsen for them if we see a 2/3/4 year deal for Sallinger as a better option for the club.

Aye, don't think there's any doubt that we’d do whats best for us now. But by all accounts Paulsen is very highly thought of and is coming off the back of a good season, fair enough in a weaker league than the Austrian Bundesliga.

Could also be that we can't guarantee him a starting position.

Whatever we decide on, I’ll trust Hibs decision on it.

[Unseen work]

SDG, Garvan Stewart and Malky will be thinking of Hibs best interest

Paulsen may be very highly rated, but Bournemouth will likely want him to be first choice, he might only be with us for one season.

Sallinger might be coming in to be the number 1 for years to come?

Maybe he’s back up and smith will continue as number 1.

[B.H.F.C]

SDG, Garvan Stewart and Malky will be thinking of Hibs best interest

Paulsen may be very highly rated, but Bournemouth will likely want him to be first choice, he might only be with us for one season.

Sallinger might be coming in to be the number 1 for years to come?

Maybe he’s back up and smith will continue as number 1.

If there is anything in it, I couldn’t see us spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on a goalie to come on as a number 2.

[04Sauzee]

SDG, Garvan Stewart and Malky will be thinking of Hibs best interest

Paulsen may be very highly rated, but Bournemouth will likely want him to be first choice, he might only be with us for one season.

Sallinger might be coming in to be the number 1 for years to come?

Maybe he’s back up and smith will continue as number 1.

We also have to look at how many loans we can have , can't remember how many it is?
And what positions we can fill using the loan market best.

[Donegal Hibby]

According to the DR, Sallinger release clause is £300k, though he's keen on the move going into his final year so we’re confident we can negotiate the fee down a bit.

Still think going for Paulsen makes more sense.

I think if we signed Paulsen Bournemouth would want to see him playing regularly as our No 1 . I don’t think on current form it would be the right thing to do in dropping Smith and signing another keeper makes more sense .

[Donegal Hibby]

Aberdeen spending a bit again , must have spent quite a bit since Thelin became manager…

https://www.aberdeenlive.news/sport/football/nicolas-milanovic-aberdeen-transfer-agreed-10175954

[Centre Hawf]

I think if we signed Paulsen Bournemouth would want to see him playing regularly as our No 1 . I don’t think on current form it would be the right thing to do in dropping Smith and signing another keeper makes more sense .

While I would rather play whoever is the better option at any time, I would agree that if we were to bring a new keeper in I'd rather sign someone that could be here longer term and fight for the position with Smith instead of someone like Paulsen who is perhaps more of a "use it or lose it" type.

[supermcginn]

Glad we are looking at a tall keeper to be our number one next season, if he signs Smith will be back to back up, we wont be spending 300 grand on a back up goalie.

[JimBHibees]

Aberdeen spending a bit again , must have spent quite a bit since Thelin became manager…

https://www.aberdeenlive.news/sport/football/nicolas-milanovic-aberdeen-transfer-agreed-10175954

Yep Thelin has been supported very well spent big in January also

[Since452]

Aberdeen spending a bit again , must have spent quite a bit since Thelin became manager…

https://www.aberdeenlive.news/sport/football/nicolas-milanovic-aberdeen-transfer-agreed-10175954

Spent 4 million since Thelin came in.

[Dmas]

If there is anything in it, I couldn’t see us spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on a goalie to come on as a number 2.

I don’t think there’s anything in it all, we went the whole January window with no leaks no rumours and Scott burns has the scoop 2 months early now, not buying it, trying to unsettle us going into the final few games of the season

[hibsforeurope]

If we're signing anyone they should be better than what we already have in the squad.

[BoomtownHibees]

If we're signing anyone they should be better than what we already have in the squad.

Hope the recruitment team have thought of this strategy

[04Sauzee]

Spent 4 million since Thelin came in.

How much did they get for Miovski?

[hibsforeurope]

Hope the recruitment team have thought of this strategy

Fingers crossed, plenty comments on here suggesting we bring in fillers.

[bingo70]

Spent 4 million since Thelin came in.

Did they not make around that in player sales?

They sold that striker who’s name escapes me for big money, sure there was someone else as well.

[Hibernian Verse]

How much did they get for Miovski?

6.5m

[Donegal Hibby]

Yep Thelin has been supported very well spent big in January also


Spent 4 million since Thelin came in.

Quite incredible when you think back to the 26 Nov when we played them we could have went something like 22 points behind them and despite what they spent too we are now 3 points ahead of them .

[Sergio sledge]

We were 6th in the league when he left and we finished 5th. We picked up 1.22ppg before he left that season and 1.56ppg after he left. We went on an undefeated run of 5 games conceding 2 goals immediately after he left. We got considerably better by every measure.

I think this is a really unfair post to be honest. Firstly I'm not sure where the 1.56ppg after Porteous left has come from, as far as I can see it was 1.38ppg, an improvement from 1.23ppg before he left.

But secondly the you can't ignore another significant change in the team that season which Nisbet returned from injury which was around a month before Porteous left. The improvement in ppg is very similar from before and after Nisbet returned from his bad injury.

When Nisbet was out the team injured (in league games only) we scored on average 1.16 gpg and conceded 1.37 gpg, a differential of -0.21 gpg. When he was in the team we scored 1.84 gpg, conceding 1.74 gpg, suggesting that we played a much more attacking style and the differential between goals scored and goals conceded was positive rather than negative meaning the likelyhood of winning games (on average) was higher.

If you look at goals conceded (in league games only) with and without Porteous that season it is very similar, 1.59 gpg without Porteous vs 1.62 gpg with Porteous, a difference of just over a single goal over the course of the season. I think there's a valid argument that Nisbet's return had a bigger impact on our season than Porteous leaving. There will be many other factors of course that influenced the team.

FWIW If Porteous returns he needs to cut out the rash tackles, keep a bit of a lower profile on the pitch and off it, concentrate fully and become a good leader rather than berating team mates, but he's got all the ability to be an excellent defender in this league if he can do that. If we are losing one or both of Rocky and Miller then he's a ready made replacement IMHO.

[matty_f]

Jack Iredale this season is 1.22 per 90
Rocky this season is 1.19 per 90

Ryan Porteous over his whole time at Hibs was 1.17 per 90
Ryan Porteous during 20/21 specifically was 1.01 per 90

Issue with using these figures as examples of one player’s value to the team is that there’s no context to them. Quality of opposition, number of games, other changes (for example we changed goalkeeper when Iredale and Rocky came into the team, which is a really significant thing).

They provide a starting point but they don’t really prove anything on their own, it’s just information but you need more than just one data point to do any sort of meaningful analysis.

[Hibernian Verse]

Quite incredible when you think back to the 26 Nov when we played them we could have went something like 22 points behind them and despite what they spent too we are now 3 points ahead of them .

They are joint bottom with St Johnstone since 22nd November. If he carries that form into the new season Thelin won't see October.

[nonshinyfinish]

Quite incredible when you think back to the 26 Nov when we played them we could have went something like 22 points behind them and despite what they spent too we are now 3 points ahead of them .

We were 23 points behind them, would have gone 26 behind if not for Rocky's equaliser.

[Saint Hibee]

Is it okay for me to like both Rocky and Porteous?

[Chorley Hibee]

Fingers crossed, plenty comments on here suggesting we bring in fillers.

We'll need a selection of both better than what we have and squad players if we get group stage European football.

Squad needs beefing up to support us through the fixture congestion that Europe will bring.

[The Modfather]

I remember the days when not every debate ended up in stats and counter stats. Simpler times.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think this is a really unfair post to be honest. Firstly I'm not sure where the 1.56ppg after Porteous left has come from, as far as I can see it was 1.38ppg, an improvement from 1.23ppg before he left.

But secondly the you can't ignore another significant change in the team that season which Nisbet returned from injury which was around a month before Porteous left. The improvement in ppg is very similar from before and after Nisbet returned from his bad injury.

When Nisbet was out the team injured (in league games only) we scored on average 1.16 gpg and conceded 1.37 gpg, a differential of -0.21 gpg. When he was in the team we scored 1.74 gpg, conceding 1.84 gpg, suggesting that we played a much more attacking style and the differential between goals scored and goals conceded was lower meaning the likelyhood of winning games (on average) was higher.

If you look at goals conceded (in league games only) with and without Porteous that season it is very similar, 1.59 gpg without Porteous vs 1.62 gpg with Porteous, a difference of just over a single goal over the course of the season. I think there's a valid argument that Nisbet's return had a bigger impact on our season than Porteous leaving. There will be many other factors of course that influenced the team.

FWIW If Porteous returns he needs to cut out the rash tackles, keep a bit of a lower profile on the pitch and off it, concentrate fully and become a good leader rather than berating team mates, but he's got all the ability to be an excellent defender in this league if he can do that. If we are losing one or both of Rocky and Miller then he's a ready made replacement IMHO.

We had 27 points from 22 games prior to Porteous leaving. We finished the season with 52 points, so 25 points from the remaining 16 games. That’s 1.56ppg.

You’re right in that there would have been plenty other factors, but it’s numerous factors combined that lead to results. For the same reason the idea that Porteous being in the defence was the sole reason for our goals conceded whilst he was in the team as has been alluded to by other posters is also nonsense.

The post I responded to though simply said that we became considerably worse when he left. We didn’t, we got better, picking up considerably more points and moving higher up the table. We were a better side that season when Ryan Porteous wasn’t in it. That much is inarguable, what is arguable is how much of that was down to Porteous not being in it. IMO it was a fairly significant factor as his general play was dreadful around the time he left, hence why so many people wanted him dropped or even sold.

[JohnM1875]

I remember the days when not every debate ended up in stats and counter stats. Simpler times.

If you try and stat me, you’ll have crossed the line and I will stat you, so help me!

[Thatdayinmay16]

Is it okay for me to like both Rocky and Porteous?

Yup.

Both have had very good times in a hibs shirt and both have not so good times.

I think it's safe to say that both on their A-game improve our squad massively and based on where we want to be as a club would help us reach the levels we want to be at.

[norhfc]

The Scottish media has had it in for Porto since his well documented run ins with the Huns. Getting sent off in the Euros opening game and his off field incidents don’t do him or us any favours. Would rather have a reliable and focused Rocky 🤞

[The Modfather]

If you try and stat me, you’ll have crossed the line and I will stat you, so help me!

I feel like this is a play on a quote from Always Sunny or Peep Show, or suchlike, but can’t quite place it. Or maybe it’s not a quote from anything.

[JohnM1875]

I feel like this is a play on a quote from Always Sunny or Prep Show, or suchlike, but can’t quite place it. Or maybe it’s not a quote from anything.

Haha! Spot on, the sectioning scene from Peep Show.

[Bostonhibby]

Is it okay for me to like both Rocky and Porteous?Count me in

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[Sergio sledge]

We had 27 points from 22 games prior to Porteous leaving. We finished the season with 52 points, so 25 points from the remaining 16 games. That’s 1.56ppg.

You’re right in that there would have been plenty other factors, but it’s numerous factors combined that lead to results. For the same reason the idea that Porteous being in the defence was the sole reason for our goals conceded whilst he was in the team as has been alluded to by other posters is also nonsense.

The post I responded to though simply said that we became considerably worse when he left. We didn’t, we got better, picking up considerably more points and moving higher up the table. We were a better side that season when Ryan Porteous wasn’t in it. That much is inarguable, what is arguable is how much of that was down to Porteous not being in it. IMO it was a fairly significant factor as his general play was dreadful around the time he left, hence why so many people wanted him dropped or even sold.

Yeah you are right I had the Celtic result at the end of the season the wrong way round, just assumed it was a loss.. :greengrin

I think this is a fairer post, you are right there's no single factor it can be put down to, I just think that our defence was much of a muchness with and without Porto that season, I don't think that our general defensive play massively improved when he left, I think more of it was down to us having gone from a negative goal differential without Nisbet in the team to a positive differential with him in the team meaning we were more likely to win games. (I've amended my stats in the original post to reflect the correction of the Celtic score).

[Kato]

Spent 4 million since Thelin came in....and zip on their tin-pot stadium.

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[Hibs4185]

If I had the choice between rocky and Porteous. I’d take Rocky.

If Rocky left, I’d happily have Porteous back.

If Rocky stays, I’d like Rocky and Porteous.

If Porteous doesn’t come back and we lose Rocky. I’ll be disappointed.

Simple

[Coco Bryce]

Have a look at their league position and goals conceded and games lost, it's nothing to do with defending that they are poor, they cant score at the other end.

They have lost less times that Coventry who are in the play offs, they have conceded 59 goals 1 more than Coventry

So why did he go there knowing he wouldn't get a game?

Maybe Hecky felt sorry for him.

[K-Zazu]

6.5m

Absolute daylight robbery that deal, he’s alright but was never worth that much.