LC Final Tickets

[Chorley Hibee]

So Celtic are getting the whole North, East and most of the South stand.

Yes, and their own end of course, and a final in Glasgow, and no doubt their own referee too.

Neutral venue my arse!

Scottish football, corrupt to the core.

[B.H.F.C]

So Celtic are getting the whole North, East and most of the South stand.

Getting the same in the south as us. Difference is the north.

[Billy Whizz]

So Celtic are getting the whole North, East and most of the South stand.

Yeah. We are getting the West side of the south, looks like Celtic are getting the full South Upper, apart from Q

[weecounty hibby]

Such a bad decision on so many levels. Ticket prices are way too high, less than a week before Christmas in a time that is already expensive for football fans. The allocation is a disgrace and in a final where both clubs can sell out their allocation there is no justification for not being 50/50. Number if season ticket holders is a total irrelevance.
The celtic/rangers end thing is also a disgrace, no other national association would pander to clubs like that.
The fact that Hubs are indicating that they asked for 50/50 and have clearly been told to gtf makes it worse. The governing body clearly favouring one club over another in a national cup final is not a good look

[Since90+2]

Getting the same in the south as us. Difference is the north.

Think they have more in the upper tiers? But it's probably a small difference in the south, they've basically been given our half of the north (the most important stand in the ground arguably due to its proximity to the players).

[Chorley Hibee]

Getting the same in the south as us. Difference is the north.

I don't think so, I'll guarantee they have more in the South than we do, they always do.

[Stuart93]

I could see their point in not giving us a 50/50 split if we failed to sell out our allocation for cup finals but that’s never been the case

An absolute incredible decision.

One I hope we aren’t taking lying down as it sets a dangerous precedent moving forward

[B.H.F.C]

Think they have more in the upper tiers? But it's probably a small difference in the south, they've basically been given our half of the north (the most important stand in the ground arguably due to its proximity to the players).

They’ve got section H in the upper and us section Q which are the same.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think so, I'll guarantee they have more in the South than we do, they always do.

Maybe through picking up the tickets for the posh seats or whatever. But they’ve not been allocated more.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Why don’t they allocate 50/50, with a deadline and any tickets not sold can be allocated to the other team by the deadline? How can they justify giving us significantly less without trying that option?

[Alfred E Newman]

It’s hard to argue against a 50% split when it is supposed to be “neutral venue” , however at the end of the day everybody that attends Hibs games on a regular basis will get a ticket and get behind the team, that’s the main thing.

[Stuart93]

It’s hard to argue against a 50% split when it is supposed to be “neutral venue” , however at the end of the day everybody that attends Hibs games on a regular basis will get a ticket and get behind the team, that’s the main thing.

It’s not the main thing. The main thing is both teams should have an equal support in a neutral venue. One team having more fans could give them an unfair advantage. It’s an absolute disgrace

[h1bs4life]

Scandalous decision, cup finals should be 50 - 50 split.
When was the last time we never sold out a cup final ? Semi final attendance has no bearing on the final.
Searched but can’t find details of the lesser greens allocation, suspect when / if it’s announced it will be some nonsense like 27000 with the rest going to sponsors etc although we all know where they will end up.
17500 less what club staff get plus tickets for players families , sponsors etc will take a few of total.
11500 season ticket holders , fully expecting email from the club if you buy a half season ticket it guarantees cup final ticket, I don’t think there be will that many for any type of public sale.
There could be a few who attended yesterday that end up without a ticket for the final.

[Lee Marvin]

It’s hard to argue against a 50% split when it is supposed to be “neutral venue” , however at the end of the day everybody that attends Hibs games on a regular basis will get a ticket and get behind the team, that’s the main thing.

Not every fan who goes on a regular basis will get a ticket, as it'll no doubt be a ballot for non-season ticket holders which could mean many who attend regularly may miss out.

[ED Hibee]

As crap as the allocation is it’s been brought on by yesterday’s attendance and the fact we have thousands of day trippers who canny be arsed when we’re no playing well. It’s pish but it is what it is

What I would like clarification on is

Why do the club think the pricing is acceptable the week before Christmas

And why have Celtic not been allocated the West end?


Believe it or not some of the day trippers were at the match yesterday but now it will be more difficult for them to get tickets with the reduced allocation.

The danger with accepting this is that if you apply the logic about semi final tickets we don’t deserve any more than 10,000 for the final and should therefore be happy accepting that and allowing them to have 40,000.

[Sir David Gray]

It’s not the main thing. The main thing is both teams should have an equal support in a neutral venue. One team having more fans could give them an unfair advantage. It’s an absolute disgrace

:agree:

This decision stinks and the SPFL should be ashamed.

[CMurdoch]

Folk forget that the SPFL are the clubs and the clubs are the SPFL so Hibs and it's owner are art and part of any conspiracy to part us from our cash.
The real reason for everything including the ticket allocation and ticket prices is to ensure maximum revenues moving forward for the SPFL and therefore indirectly Hibs.
The clubs lost a lot of money last season and are taking an opportunity here to grab some of it back.

As for the ticket allocation the SPFL is just doing what Hibs do to ensure Old Firm supporter income on an ongoing basis.
They know that Rangers and/or Celtic will generally be in the League Cup Final and their supporters are a safe bet to buy every ticket you offer them.
Accordingly if they give them the lions share of the tickets they will have an easy sell out at future finals no matter who their opponents are in the final.

P.S. Lots of folk upset about our ticket allocation numbers but predictably few tears over a real scandal which is kids 16 and over having to pay adult prices

[Lee Marvin]

Folk forget that the SPFL are the clubs and the clubs are the SPFL so Hibs and it's owner are art and part of any conspiracy to part us from our cash.
The real reason for everything including the ticket allocation and ticket prices is to ensure maximum revenues moving forward.
The clubs lost a lot of money last season and are taking an opportunity here to grab some of it back.

As for the ticket allocation the SPFL is just doing what Hibs do to ensure Old Firm supporter income on an ongoing basis.
They know that Rangers and/or Celtic will generally be in the League Cup Final and their supporters are a safe bet to buy every ticket you offer them.
Accordingly if they give them the lions share of the tickets they will have a sell out in the future no matter who their opponents are in the final.

P.S. Lots of folk upset about our ticket allocation numbers but predictably few tears over a real scandal which is kids 16 and over having to pay adult prices

Why not give us the opportunity to shift them with proviso unsold will be taken back by a set date? Literally no reason not to do that if being fair.

[RoxburghHibs]

The argument that Celtic had bigger crowds than Hibs in earlier rounds is irrelevant.

A cup final should be neutral- end off.

All clubs should get the opportunity to sell the same amount of tickets. However if a club thinks they won’t then fair enough.

Celtic having a bigger support doesn’t entitle them to an advantage in a final

[gbhibby]

At least 10,000 of those so called Hibs supporters you speak of are no use to Hibs.
We only see them at glory time. They provide no financial support to our club whatsoever.

We have been offered 17,500 Cup Final tickets.
Hibs have 11,100 season ticket holders and have about 2,400 regular walk ups
That leaves 4,000 tickets which I reckon should be sold first to anyone who has paid to attend even a single game at Easter Road this season.
Whatever number of tickets are left after that can be punted in a public sale.

Celtic probably have 50,000 season ticket holders so it is only fair that there should be an attempt to give at least half of them the opportunity to attend the cup final ticket rather than giving them to Hibs to sell to people who are really not that bothered about Hibs or Scottish football week to week.
I don't like Celtic much but I would rather that Scottish football supporters get cup final ticket than fair weather folk who only do big games.

The allocation of stands is a whole different matter. We should get half of the North.
There will be no public sale as in the past season ticket holders have been offered more than one ticket. I have no sympathy for fans of these other teams missing out on finals
I would rather see our fans even those who do not attend regularly at the cup final, than any of them. By your logic Celtic should get 40000 tickets and Hibs 10000. We all know that the uglies support is based on bigotry so the less bigots at a cup final the better.

[B.H.F.C]

There will be no public sale as in the past season ticket holders have been offered more than one ticket. I have no sympathy for fans of these other teams missing out on finals
I would rather see our fans even those who do not attend regularly at the cup final, than any of them. By your logic Celtic should get 40000 tickets and Hibs 10000. We all know that the uglies support is based on bigotry so the less bigots at a cup final the better.

Season ticket holders won’t get offered more than one ticket this year. You’d end up with the risk of a season ticket holder missing out and that’s not going to happen.

One each then public sale for whatever is left.

[Keith_M]

P.S. Lots of folk upset about our ticket allocation numbers but predictably few tears over a real scandal which is kids 16 and over having to pay adult prices


I paid adult prices at football as soon as I was 16, as did most of us I'd imagine

I'm not really getting the argument about that being the major issue.

[wookie70]

I know it's a different body was using it for reference. It's a cup final so tournament should be irrelevant. We have had to wait for the other teams livi and killie to sell their allocations before being offered more tickets but original allocation was on half of the stadium. I'm in agreement and used it as a reference myself earlier in the thread. I have no issue with 17.5k tickets if there is a sell those by date to receive the rest of our allocation that takes us up to 50%.

[Chorley Hibee]

Folk forget that the SPFL are the clubs and the clubs are the SPFL so Hibs and it's owner are art and part of any conspiracy to part us from our cash.
The real reason for everything including the ticket allocation and ticket prices is to ensure maximum revenues moving forward for the SPFL and therefore indirectly Hibs.
The clubs lost a lot of money last season and are taking an opportunity here to grab some of it back.

As for the ticket allocation the SPFL is just doing what Hibs do to ensure Old Firm supporter income on an ongoing basis.
They know that Rangers and/or Celtic will generally be in the League Cup Final and their supporters are a safe bet to buy every ticket you offer them.
Accordingly if they give them the lions share of the tickets they will have an easy sell out at future finals no matter who their opponents are in the final.

P.S. Lots of folk upset about our ticket allocation numbers but predictably few tears over a real scandal which is kids 16 and over having to pay adult prices

The idea that we wouldn't sell 21,000 for a cup final is nonsense IMHO, so I don't think your argument stands up to scrutiny, particularly when we've sold at least that amount for every final we've been in since I was born.

[Callum_62]

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[MWHIBBIES]

I know its a big ask, but holy ****, this shambles will make a Hibs victory so, so sweet. 17k or 75k, Sunshine on Leith after beating those *******s will be so satisfying.

[Since452]

Let's just beat these ***** then they can watch 17500 of us celebrating.

[lord bunberry]

I have to say I’m absolutely gutted to see those prices. £88 the week before Christmas is going to be a tough ask. I’ve not missed a final since I was old enough to be able to go, but right now I can’t see me being able to make it.

[Montford]

It’s got Doncaster’s grubby prints all over it.
Absolutely been got at by the Celtic board.
Do not be fooled, Celtic demanded these extra tickets the minute the final whistle went yesterday.
The SPFL should be able to make the allocation independently of any clubs requests.
Why the f*** does our club accept this?

[Joe6-2]

Well that’s totally different to the “leak”. 17500 tickets is poor but hard to argue when we only sold 10k for the semi.

I really think they should take in to consideration that fans outside the arse cheeks don’t live a few miles from Hampden, so it impacts ticket sales

[Hibs4185]

Sorry if it’s already been asked but are Hibs getting any hospitality or offering any?

[Since452]

When did semi final tickets sold become a gauge for the allocation for the final? We sold about 5k semi finals tickets in 2004 and sold almost 40k tickets for the final. The two games are completely different. Finals are a bigger occasion.

[CMurdoch]

What a bizarre post from a Hibs fan. You would genuinely want more Celtic fans there than Hibs fans?

"At least 10,000 of those so called Hibs supporters you speak of are no use to Hibs" - They would have been use to Hibs at a final and I bet a fair few buy strips/merchandise now and again. What about fans from abroad who are not regular walk ups but will make a special effort for finals?
The guy said Hibs could sell 30,000 tickets and I said 10,000 of those supporter are no use to Hibs because they don't provide meaningful financial support.
We currently have 11,100 season ticket holders and 2,000 walk ups at the average game. Given those figures are you telling me there are more than 20,000 folk financially supporting Hibs in a meaningful way
"Celtic probably have 50,000 season ticket holders so it is only fair that there should be an attempt to give at least half of them the opportunity to attend the cup final ticket rather than giving them to Hibs to sell to people who are really not that bothered about Hibs or Scottish football week to week." Change Celtic/them to we/us and that is the type of nonsense I have been reading online from Celtic fans. Using your logic, why not only give Hibs 11k odd tickets for our season ticket holders and the rest of Hampden can be sold to Celtic season ticket holders, that way only a few thousand of their season ticket holders will miss out?
We have heard what Hibs supporters think i.e we should get a 50/50 split of the tickets
We have heard what Celtic supporters think i.e. we have 50,000 season ticket holder and you only have 11,000 so we should get a far larger allocation than you
Both of those opinions represent vested interest
What would a neutral parson think and decide to do, one who was trying to make it fair for all? This is what the decision makers at the SPFL should be trying to do.


Allocation should be 50/50, anything not sold by us should go back for Celtic to sell. That said I reckon we'd have no bother selling out.

Football supporters can never see past their own and their clubs self interest otherwise you would have all been screaming about 16 year olds having to pay adult ticket prices for the game.

[greenlex]

Next week?
Presume ST holders first dibs.
How many we likely to get?


Football supporters can never see past their own and their clubs self interest otherwise you would have all been screaming about 16 year olds having to pay adult ticket prices for the game.

There’s a reason why finals are at a neutral venue. Engineering a disproportionate number of a finalists fans in the first instance is plain wrong and a disgrace. The spfl have no obligation to hampden. Let’s switch it to Murrayfeild give Hibs 30000 tickets and let Celtic have the remaining allocation. Works for me.

[Chorley Hibee]

I'd have every club official and player publicly refer to it as an away tie rather than a cup final now.

Let's start turning the heat up on these *******s for a change rather than meekly accepting it.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd have every club official and player publicly refer to it as an away tie rather than a cup final now.

Let's start turning the heat up on these *******s for a change rather than meekly accepting it.

Seriously, stop with this meekly accepting it *****. Its pathetic. Support the club, they are 100% doing all they can about this.

[CMurdoch]

There’s a reason why finals are at a neutral venue. Engineering a disproportionate number of a finalists fans in the first instance is plain wrong and a disgrace. The spfl have no obligation to hampden. Let’s switch it to Murrayfeild give Hibs 30000 tickets and let Celtic have the remaining allocation. Works for me.

We as supporters are always speaking about fairness, sporting integrity etc but the reality is the SPFL and the clubs including Hibs and club owners including Ron are only really bothered about the money. How can they increase revenues and revenue streams, how can they reduce expenses. How can they guarantee future revenues, how can they milk even more cash out of us etc etc.
Ron Gordon owns Hibs, we support it by buying season tickets, paying into HSL, buying match day food, merchandise etc. The club buys the best players it can afford from the money we have supported it with and in exchange we get to cheer it on and get tickets for special games like cup finals. Folk that don't buy season tickets get to watch Hibs on hooky streams, moan about how they can't get the special tickets and tell us how unfair it is. Some folk from both groups go on about Christmas all the time.

[ED Hibee]

There’s a reason why finals are at a neutral venue. Engineering a disproportionate number of a finalists fans in the first instance is plain wrong and a disgrace. The spfl have no obligation to hampden. Let’s switch it to Murrayfeild give Hibs 30000 tickets and let Celtic have the remaining allocation. Works for me.

Nah let’s switch it to Celtic Park. It means that Celtic will be able to have even more real football fans there. They can have their home ends and home changing rooms for traditions sake. Can’t be having any of these day trippers from Leith. It’s only fair…

[Chorley Hibee]

Seriously, stop with this meekly accepting it *****. Its pathetic. Support the club, they are 100% doing all they can about this.

Our club, and the rest of Scottish football, has stood silent for too long on the issue of Celtic and Rangers and the blatant rigging of the game in their favour.

And whilst on the subject of diplomatic silence, look at the bottle incident with Hibs players yesterday for example.

As a club, we shouted from the rooftops when one of our own support done similar a few years and were (rightly) quick in condemning our own, yet when our own players safety is endangered we say hee haw.

We could, and should, be doing more.

[Lago]

Our club, and the rest of Scottish football, has stood silent for too long on the issue of Celtic and Rangers and the blatant rigging of the game in their favour.

Look at the bottle incident with Hibs players yesterday for example.

As a club, we shouted it from the rooftops when one of our own support done similar a few years and were (rightly) quick in condemning our own, yet when our own players safety is endangered we say hee haw.

We could, and should, be doing more.
And what do you propose Hibs do?

[Shrekko]

Seriously, stop with this meekly accepting it *****. Its pathetic. Support the club, they are 100% doing all they can about this.

Totally agree.

Hibs fight as hard as they can for us every single time. One of the last things they got a result on was actually League Cup semi final allocation when we played Celtic under Lennon and the game was played with thousands upon thousands of empty seats which Celtic would have sold. So it’s hardly always about money.

[Bridge hibs]

Our club, and the rest of Scottish football, has stood silent for too long on the issue of Celtic and Rangers and the blatant rigging of the game in their favour.

And whilst on the subject of diplomatic silence, look at the bottle incident with Hibs players yesterday for example.

As a club, we shouted from the rooftops when one of our own support done similar a few years and were (rightly) quick in condemning our own, yet when our own players safety is endangered we say hee haw.

We could, and should, be doing more. The Capital club is also looking into the flashpoint. A spokesperson told the Evening News: “We are aware of items being thrown at our players following the third goal.

"We are having discussions with the relevant people at Hampden and the SPFL regarding this.”

[CMurdoch]

The Capital club is also looking into the flashpoint. A spokesperson told the Evening News: “We are aware of items being thrown at our players following the third goal.

"We are having discussions with the relevant people at Hampden and the SPFL regarding this.”

A beer can and more worryingly a buckie bottle

[Chorley Hibee]

And what do you propose Hibs do?

Publicly, and continually, call them out, and be as vocal and controversial as possible in the process.

It might just be the catalyst to a discussion on the bias towards these *******s, and the start of some meaningful change.

I do know that years of diplomatic silence, and Hibs class has achieved the square root of **** all, and has led us to a situation like today.

It's also the reason why Rangers cheated the entire game for over a decade.

[Carheenlea]

Instead of going through the rigmarole of sorting Celtic out with their own end and giving their fans most of the stadium, would it not just be easier to play the game at Celtic Park?

[Liberal Hibby]

They’ve got section H in the upper and us section Q which are the same.

We've only got section Q2 - the rest is Celtc.

[Bishop Hibee]

Folk forget that the SPFL are the clubs and the clubs are the SPFL so Hibs and it's owner are art and part of any conspiracy to part us from our cash.
The real reason for everything including the ticket allocation and ticket prices is to ensure maximum revenues moving forward for the SPFL and therefore indirectly Hibs.
The clubs lost a lot of money last season and are taking an opportunity here to grab some of it back.

As for the ticket allocation the SPFL is just doing what Hibs do to ensure Old Firm supporter income on an ongoing basis.
They know that Rangers and/or Celtic will generally be in the League Cup Final and their supporters are a safe bet to buy every ticket you offer them.
Accordingly if they give them the lions share of the tickets they will have an easy sell out at future finals no matter who their opponents are in the final.

P.S. Lots of folk upset about our ticket allocation numbers but predictably few tears over a real scandal which is kids 16 and over having to pay adult prices

So because the OF have they largest support Hibs should kow-tow to them having their own end at the National Stadium and more fans in attendance? Also, when does a kid stop becoming a kid?

[S4uzee]

Celtic v Inverness SC Cup semi-final in 2015 - attendance 28k …

[Silky]

Why do the club think the pricing is acceptable the week before Christmas



Ultimately, it's priced like that becuase they know us fans will pay it to watch our team in a final. They could charge £100 per ticket and folk would still go, Hampden will still be full and that will be the justification. Its acceptible becuase people pay it. Until fans actually vote with their feet and a National cup final is played in a virtually empty stadium becuase fans have had enough of high prices then prices will continue to rise. Will this happen? No, of course not. Its a final. And ultimately fans will go. That's the justification.

[B.H.F.C]

We've only got section Q2 - the rest is Celtc.

We’ve got all of section Q which is 6 sections.

Hibernian Support
• South Stand Lower Section O2 - Adults £45, Over 65 / Under-16 £27
• South Stand Lower Section P - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• South Stand Upper Section Q - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• West Stand Sections A & B - Adults £35, Over 65 / Under-16 £18
• South Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £18, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• West Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £12, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
Celtic Support
• South Stand Lower Section J1 - Adults £45, Over 65 / Under-16 £27
• South Stand Lower Section I - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• South Stand Upper Section H - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• North Stand Sections C+D - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• East Stand Sections F & G - Adults £35, Over 65 / Under-16 £18
• North Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £22, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• South Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £18, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• East Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £12, Over 65 / Under-16 £6

[NAE NOOKIE]

Next week?
Presume ST holders first dibs.
How many we likely to get?

I haven't even bothered to read the rest of this thread. This question has been asked before when it comes to cup finals and there's only one answer, finals are played at a neutral venue for a reason and if you give one club less tickets than another it is no longer a neutral venue. The simple ( and only ) answer is that we get half the tickets because that's what we can sell .... If for some reason we can't then by all means we return some, but we all know that Hibs are easily capable of selling the 23,000 or so tickets we will be given for this game.

[Liberal Hibby]

I'd have every club official and player publicly refer to it as an away tie rather than a cup final now.

Let's start turning the heat up on these *******s for a change rather than meekly accepting it.

Like it!

[Liberal Hibby]

We’ve got all of section Q which is 6 sections.

Hibernian Support
• South Stand Lower Section O2 - Adults £45, Over 65 / Under-16 £27
• South Stand Lower Section P - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• South Stand Upper Section Q - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• West Stand Sections A & B - Adults £35, Over 65 / Under-16 £18
• South Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £18, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• West Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £12, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
Celtic Support
• South Stand Lower Section J1 - Adults £45, Over 65 / Under-16 £27
• South Stand Lower Section I - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• South Stand Upper Section H - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• North Stand Sections C+D - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• East Stand Sections F & G - Adults £35, Over 65 / Under-16 £18
• North Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £22, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• South Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £18, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• East Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £12, Over 65 / Under-16 £6

Apols - read O2 as Q2

[gbhibby]

And what do you propose Hibs do?

Issue a statement that that bottle could have caused serious injury to our players. When the idiot threw the bottle at Easter Road the club issued a statement. Have not seen anything from the The Rangers. There was also other incidents at the game which have been mentioned on other threads, bottles and other things thrown at Hibs fans,McGregor launching the ball at the Hibs fans.
Club need to show some Testicular Fortitude as its the Fans who pay their wages.
Edit also stop using passive language in statements

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why has the fifty-fifty split been abandoned for this final?

When one of the Old Firm are involved in a final, there's always the discussion about the rights and wrongs of the fifty-fifty split, but I'm interested to know why it's been scrapped this time.

[LeithMike]

I haven't even bothered to read the rest of this thread. This question has been asked before when it comes to cup finals and there's only one answer, finals are played at a neutral venue for a reason and if you give one club less tickets than another it is no longer a neutral venue. The simple ( and only ) answer is that we get half the tickets because that's what we can sell .... If for some reason we can't then by all means we return some, but we all know that Hibs are easily capable of selling the 23,000 or so tickets we will be given for this game.Absolutely spot on. Champions League and Europa League finals are always 50:50 (albeit the sponsors prob get the most). This is really poor. Why is Scotland different from every other country and ruled by two teams? Why are all our refs selected from the West of Scotland. The bias is long ingrained in Scottish football and its time the other clubs got together to do something about it.

The pricing is a joke too. A flagship game but let's put off anyone who's not wealthy enough to go. £22 minimum for a child? Scottish football deserves to go down the pan.

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[Heisenberg]

Why has the fifty-fifty split been abandoned for this final?

When one of the Old Firm are involved in a final, there's always the discussion about the rights and wrongs of the fifty-fifty split, but I'm interested to know why it's been scrapped this time.

Was scrapped when they played Aberdeen in 2018 too I think. Makes no sense to me. We’d have sold the tickets no problem and it’s surely more about being fair than simply who took more to a game in a previous round.

[DH1875]

It’s hard to argue against a 50% split when it is supposed to be “neutral venue” , however at the end of the day everybody that attends Hibs games on a regular basis will get a ticket and get behind the team, that’s the main thing.

Will they? I missed out in 2001 despite going to most games that season, including the semi which was supposed to guarantee you a ticket for the final. I was genuinely Peed off as had been a season ticket holder the previous 3/4 years going home and away and went to most games that season. Swore I'd never be back. That didn't last long though.

[CMurdoch]

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So because the OF have they largest support Hibs should kow-tow to them having their own end at the National Stadium and more fans in attendance? Also,

I would definitely not let them have their own end.
The fear for the stadium owners is the half wits would damage the toilets etc if they thought they were in the Rangers end






Re the kids question, Boys 29 (if they are advanced, otherwise never) Girls 18

[PatHead]

I'd have every club official and player publicly refer to it as an away tie rather than a cup final now.

Let's start turning the heat up on these *******s for a change rather than meekly accepting it.

Alex Ferguson did that brilliantly when he was Aberdeen manager. Went on about referees having to be strong before games. Referred to other injustices. It worked it's way into the mindset of the players and the club. Look what they went on to achieve.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Well that’s totally different to the “leak”. 17500 tickets is poor but hard to argue when we only sold 10k for the semi.

Following on from my last post, which I made not knowing the official allocation because I couldn't believe less than a 50/50 split was even a possibility which shows what a naive idiot I am .... I have to comment on this.

It doesn't matter a toss how many tickets we sold for yesterday's semi. or any other semi for that matter. For cup finals this century Hibs have never failed to sell our allocation and in fact more than once have exceeded 25,000 for a final ... IE Livingston 40,000, Kilmarnock 35,000 and Ross County 30,000

Given that absolute fact to offer Hibs less than a 50/50 split is the SPFL favouring a club in a cup final. It is ... ABSOLUTELY F'ING WELL FUNDAMENTAL ... that if a club is capable of selling a half allocation then that is what it should be given. The prices are an outrage, but that's a different discussion.

If this is true ... and even now I'm struggling to believe it ..... Hibs should put a statement on the official site stating that this game is not being played at a neutral venue in the spirit of that term and that we are now offering to play the game at Celtic park ... that way Celtic can still get their 37,000 allocation and more and Hibs can be given 25,000 tickets ... I'm not even kidding !!!

Where are you Ron Gordon ?

[DH1875]

Why are folk moaning about the price? I had an ADULT season ticket for Easter Road at 16.

Folk moaning about paying £35 for a CUP FINAL..........Our Cat A games at Easter Road this season are £35.

[BILLYHIBS]

Why are folk moaning about the price? I had an ADULT season ticket for Easter Road at 16.

Folk moaning about paying £35 for a CUP FINAL..........Our Cat A games at Easter Road this season are £35.

I had a Junior ST at 34 😃

[Greencore]

So hibs aren't going to appeal this? Are we just going to accept the favouring of celtic? Should be 50 50.

[hibbysam]

Following on from my last post, which I made not knowing the official allocation because I couldn't believe less than a 50/50 split was even a possibility which shows what a naive idiot I am .... I have to comment on this.

It doesn't matter a toss how many tickets we sold for yesterday's semi. or any other semi for that matter. For cup finals this century Hibs have never failed to sell our allocation and in fact more than once have exceeded 25,000 for a final ... IE Livingston 40,000, Kilmarnock 35,000 and Ross County 30,000

Given that absolute fact to offer Hibs less than a 50/50 split is the SPFL favouring a club in a cup final. It is ... ABSOLUTELY F'ING WELL FUNDAMENTAL ... that if a club is capable of selling a half allocation then that is what it should be given. The prices are an outrage, but that's a different discussion.

If this is true ... and even now I'm struggling to believe it ..... Hibs should put a statement on the official site stating that this game is not being played at a neutral venue in the spirit of that term and that we are now offering to play the game at Celtic park ... that way Celtic can still get their 37,000 allocation and more and Hibs can be given 25,000 tickets ... I'm not even kidding !!!

Where are you Ron Gordon ?

If they are that bothered about the tickets being sold, sign a contract where we are liable for maximum cost of unsold tickets. Not hard and nobody loses out.

[Heisenberg]

So hibs aren't going to appeal this? Are we just going to accept the favouring of celtic? Should be 50 50.

They already have and the SPFL weren’t having it. Not much more can be done.

[LeithMike]

Why are folk moaning about the price? I had an ADULT season ticket for Easter Road at 16.

Folk moaning about paying £35 for a CUP FINAL..........Our Cat A games at Easter Road this season are £35.Aye but you are able to see the game at Easter Road. For £35 I suspect you're stuck in the east or west terrace, miles from the pitch, which prob means you have to spend £45 to guarantee a decent view. I know people will pay it but for a family of 4 you could be looking at £144 just for tickets never mind the travel, etc. That's not affordable for a lot of people, especially a few days before Christmas.

The whole thing smacks of elitism - the way the bigger team is being favoured and the way the less affluent are being priced out. Very sad for a national cup final which should be open, fair and accessible.

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[CMurdoch]

Alex Ferguson did that brilliantly when he was Aberdeen manager. Went on about referees having to be strong before games. Referred to other injustices. It worked it's way into the mindset of the players and the club. Look what they went on to achieve.

Aberdeen and Dundee Utd achieved great things because they had great managers who could hold great players to ransom.
Bosman killed that stone dead.

[GreenCastle]

Celtic probably get the home dressing room and get to wear home kit too.

[ancient hibee]

Celtic probably get the home dressing room and get to wear home kit too.


Celtic get the dressing room nearest their end. Both dressing rooms are exactly the same anyway.

[GreenCastle]

Aye but you are able to see the game at Easter Road. For £35 I suspect you're stuck in the east or west terrace, miles from the pitch, which prob means you have to spend £45 to guarantee a decent view. I know people will pay it but for a family of 4 you could be looking at £144 just for tickets never mind the travel, etc. That's not affordable for a lot of people, especially a few days before Christmas.

The whole thing smacks of elitism - the way the bigger team is being favoured and the way the less affluent are being priced out. Very sad for a national cup final which should be open, fair and accessible.

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That last paragraph.

If Hibs played Ross County and they had a small semi final support but wanted 50/50 for the final I really wouldn’t be that bothered.

Why are they allowing a team to dictate a higher number of tickets to allow more of their fans in than the opposition.

It’s not right and even Celtic haven’t exactly had 100% full ends for semi finals and finals over the years.

2016 - 22,130 for their semi against Ross County
2021 - 42,298 for their semi against St J

[CMurdoch]

If they are that bothered about the tickets being sold, sign a contract where we are liable for maximum cost of unsold tickets. Not hard and nobody loses out.

Hibs and Ron get the same money whoever buys the tickets.
17,500 tickets might suit his agenda for trying to get more folk to buy season tickets next season.
"Buy a season ticket for the Hibees the only way to guarantee tickets for the big games"
Then this appears on the big screens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZlME0mQB8&ab_channel=%5Bg%5Doldsongs
Cut to footage of Ron in an expensive suit stroking a cat on his knee and he points agressively snarling NO!

[gbhibby]

Following on from my last post, which I made not knowing the official allocation because I couldn't believe less than a 50/50 split was even a possibility which shows what a naive idiot I am .... I have to comment on this.

It doesn't matter a toss how many tickets we sold for yesterday's semi. or any other semi for that matter. For cup finals this century Hibs have never failed to sell our allocation and in fact more than once have exceeded 25,000 for a final ... IE Livingston 40,000, Kilmarnock 35,000 and Ross County 30,000

Given that absolute fact to offer Hibs less than a 50/50 split is the SPFL favouring a club in a cup final. It is ... ABSOLUTELY F'ING WELL FUNDAMENTAL ... that if a club is capable of selling a half allocation then that is what it should be given. The prices are an outrage, but that's a different discussion.

If this is true ... and even now I'm struggling to believe it ..... Hibs should put a statement on the official site stating that this game is not being played at a neutral venue in the spirit of that term and that we are now offering to play the game at Celtic park ... that way Celtic can still get their 37,000 allocation and more and Hibs can be given 25,000 tickets ... I'm not even kidding !!!

Where are you Ron Gordon ?
There should an email sent to everyone on the database laying out what the club are going to do about the situation, that's the least we should except. Wishy washy statements will not suffice.

[GreenCastle]

Celtic get the dressing room nearest their end. Both dressing rooms are exactly the same anyway.

So the home dressing room ?

[bigwheel]

Celtic get the dressing room nearest their end. Both dressing rooms are exactly the same anyway.

Not true …home team gets home dressing room…..even though they are the same ..that’s what’s happened in previous finals …

[gbhibby]

hibs and ron get the same money whoever buys the tickets.
17,500 tickets might suit his agenda for trying to get more folk to buy season tickets next season.
"buy a season ticket for the hibees the only way to guarantee tickets for the big games"
then he shows this on the big screens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayzlme0mqb8&ab_channel=%5bg%5doldsongs
then he appears on screen in an expensive suit stroking a cat on his knee and just says no!
🤔 wtf.

[ancient hibee]

Not true …home team gets home dressing room…..even though they are the same ..that’s what’s happened in previous finals …

Last time I was looking round I was told that Celtic always get “their” dressing room and Rangers always get “theirs”. Lining up in the tunnel they have to line u at “their” side. Hampden staff think it’s a complete pain.So I think it is true as the national team at that time did not have a home dressing room.Don’t know if they favour one over the other now.

[CMurdoch]

There should an email sent to everyone on the database laying out what the club are going to do about the situation, that's the least we should except. Wishy washy statements will not suffice.

wtf!

what about a petition
we could all sign it
they would have to listen then ............wouldn't they

[Callum_62]

I think it's fundamentally unfair to start at a lower allocation for any team unless it's at there request

Give both sides 50/50 and a deadline to sell, anything unsold gets handed over

How can it possibly be any other way

What if it was celtic vs Livi - do livi just get 2000 tickets and celtic 50,000?

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[Not In The Know]

And what do you propose Hibs do?
I genuinely think the club should say they will boycott the game if it’s not a 50/50. Think how ridiculous the spfl would look if the game wasn’t going to be played. Call their bluff Hibs.

[Pagan Hibernia]

A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.

[Lancs Harp]

A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.


Well except Hearts with their 400,000 fans, should they ever make it to a League Cup final again.

[gbhibby]

wtf!

what about a petition
we could all sign it
they would have to listen then ............wouldn't they
I have received a number of personal emails from the club in in the past. Running a football club is all about engaging with your stakeholders. Your post was a bit patronising with your link to youtube video Day trippers. I would rather have a Hibs supporting day tripper at the final than a Celtic
fan any day of the week. You are clearly not that bothered.

[Lago]

I genuinely think the club should say they will boycott the game if it’s not a 50/50. Think how ridiculous the spfl would look if the game wasn’t going to be played. Call their bluff Hibs.
To a degree I can see your point but, what also would mean penalising the Hibs players who have worked so hard to get to the final, I'm not convinced they would support a boycott.

[PatHead]

Aberdeen and Dundee Utd achieved great things because they had great managers who could hold great players to ransom.
Bosman killed that stone dead.

That is not true with Aberdeen. They allowed players to move on at the right price. The likes of Miller, McLeish, Kennedy,Rougvie were quite happy there and I have never heard them regret staying at Aberdeen. The likes of Leighton and Strachan moved on to bigger things.

Aberdeen were a very balanced side with not many flare players but everyone of them knew their job and trusted/believed in each of their team mates. They didn't fear anyone in Glasgow or even Munich or Madrid

Without checking I think Aberdeen's downfall started with the loss of Ferguson and was compounded by Rangers upping the stakes.

FWIW I still dislike Aberdeen to this day for the tricks/arrogance they had in their day but not right to simply say that they achieved things by holding players to ransom.

[CMurdoch]

I have received a number of personal emails from the club in in the past. Running a football club is all about engaging with your stakeholders. Your post was a bit patronising with your link to youtube video Day trippers. I would rather have a Hibs supporting day tripper at the final than a Celtic
fan any day of the week. You are clearly not that bothered.

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

[Sir David Gray]

A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.

Yep it's a very dangerous precedent that's been set.

[hibbysam]

Hibs and Ron get the same money whoever buys the tickets.
17,500 tickets might suit his agenda for trying to get more folk to buy season tickets next season.
"Buy a season ticket for the Hibees the only way to guarantee tickets for the big games"
Then this appears on the big screens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZlME0mQB8&ab_channel=%5Bg%5Doldsongs
Cut to footage of Ron in an expensive suit stroking a cat on his knee and he points agressively snarling NO!

They do, however if the SPFL have issues with us not selling out then we should just give them our word that we pay up for any unsold seats out of our prize money.

[Chorley Hibee]

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

I'm bothered because it no longer becomes a neutral venue, and it therefore becomes an even more difficult game to win than it would be to start with.

Their own city, Their own end, Their own changing room, and now more tickets!

How much more of an advantage at a 'neutral' venue do they want?

[PatHead]

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

Personally I think that any Old Firm supporters from outside Glasgow are glory hunters. No sympathy for any of them who can't get tickets.

How many new regular supporters did we get who went to the cup final in 2016. Occasions like this help us develop our fanbase

Can't believe any Hibs supporter would have denied another Hibs supporter the right to attend a cup final which would have included the 2016 final using your logic.

[gbhibby]

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.
By your logic then we should not have received any more than the amount of people who have a season ticket and are walk up fans at previous finals. Why do you care so much? Personally I want as many Hibs fans at the final be they season ticket holders walk ups or day trippers. You seem to forget about Fans abroad who post on here buy merchandise subscribe to Hibs TV and pay money into HSL, who will travel from abroad/other parts of the UK to the final or are they Day trippers in your world.
Get a grip, supporters contribute to the club in different ways financially so your argument does not stack up.

[jgl07]

I genuinely think the club should say they will boycott the game if it’s not a 50/50. Think how ridiculous the spfl would look if the game wasn’t going to be played. Call their bluff Hibs.
My immediate reaction is to tell them to stuff it. The game will be rigged if the crowd is 70% soap dodgers. Let them continue to dominate Scottish Football. Few people give a ***** anymore. I am not sure I can be bothered for much longer?

[CMurdoch]

Personally I think that any Old Firm supporters from outside Glasgow are glory hunters. No sympathy for any of them who can't get tickets.

How many new regular supporters did we get who went to the cup final in 2016. Occasions like this help us develop our fanbase

Can't believe any Hibs supporter would have denied another Hibs supporter the right to attend a cup final which would have included the 2016 final using your logic.

I agree.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.

[PatHead]

I agree with that.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.

Think you are going to far there and police have far better things to do.

[gbhibby]

I agree.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.
Day trippers yeah!

[Callum_62]

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.Because it helps our team?

Fairweather fan or not your argument is basically promoting unfairness

Should livi only get 3000? St Johnstone 5000?

In the 19/20 season celtic averaged 7000 more at the gate than Rangers, should or would that be factored into an OF final?

All teams should initially be given the chance to sell equal tickets. If they can't sell them by a certain date then by all means pass them over,. Anything else is immediately giving an advantage to the other team

Its sporting terms its totally unfair



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[Lancs Harp]

I agree.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.

You're losing this debate hands down CM

[gbhibby]

You're losing this debate hands down CM
No logic from the start, maybe a closet Celtic fan.

[gaz1875]

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

What a lot of pish.

[CMurdoch]

By your logic then we should not have received any more than the amount of people who have a season ticket and are walk up fans at previous finals. Why do you care so much? Personally I want as many Hibs fans at the final be they season ticket holders walk ups or day trippers. You seem to forget about Fans abroad who post on here buy merchandise subscribe to Hibs TV and pay money into HSL, who will travel from abroad/other parts of the UK to the final or are they Day trippers in your world.
Get a grip, supporters contribute to the club in different ways financially so your argument does not stack up.

It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.

[Callum_62]

It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.We have an overall support of 17,500?

What alot of tosh

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[CMurdoch]

You're losing this debate hands down CM

Coming from Lytham St Annes to support Hibs is fine

Ok, someone elses turn to be devils advocate, it's a new day!

[CMurdoch]

We have an overall support of 17,500?

What alot of tosh

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Ok, are you here for the £1 or the £5 argument?

[gaz1875]

It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.

It wasn't impossible to get a 50/50 split from the SFA in 2016 so your argument doesn't stand up. We should as everyone is telling you received 50% and a % held back until sold. This is a final that should have no benefit to one team or the other however small the difference would make.

[Liberal Hibby]

We have an overall support of 17,500?

What alot of tosh

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Quite - with just 17.5k tickets it's pretty unlikely I'll (and many of the other out of town supporters) will get one. I've been to one home game this season so far and subscribe to Hibs TV and have been at every final since 1979 (except the 1991 one when my lift didn't materialise) - but yeh I don't deserve a ticket and it's fine for the principles of sporting integrity to be cast aside because of the grip Sevco and Celtc have over the domestic game.

[CMurdoch]

It wasn't impossible to get a 50/50 split from the SFA in 2016 so your argument doesn't stand up. We should as everyone is telling you received 50% and a % held back until sold. This is a final that should have no benefit to one team or the other however small the difference would make.

Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.

[gbhibby]

Anybody that does not support a 50/50 split is not a real Hibs fan. You look after your own. I do not care how many season tickets holders other clubs have its a cup final. Can you imagine the outcry if this happened down south. A cup final is for fans of both clubs who should have the same amount of tickets allocated. There are 2 teams in the final, this whole episode stinks. Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell need to go public on this in a big way, otherwise it will happen again and again.

[gaz1875]

Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.

I think you need some sleep :faf:

[gbhibby]

Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.
What?

[Hibbyradge]

Coming from Lytham St Annes to support Hibs is fine

Ok, someone elses turn to be devils advocate, it's a new day!

I live in York.

Before I moved here, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?

[CMurdoch]

Quite - with just 17.5k tickets it's pretty unlikely I'll (and many of the other out of town supporters) will get one. I've been to one home game this season so far and subscribe to Hibs TV and have been at every final since 1979 (except the 1991 one when my lift didn't materialise) - but yeh I don't deserve a ticket and it's fine for the principles of sporting integrity to be cast aside because of the grip Sevco and Celtc have over the domestic game.

Got you covered.
In one of my early devils advocate posts on this thread I said anyone who had attended a home game this season should get a ticket.
Congratulations!
Enjoy the final.

[gaz1875]

What?

He's lost the plot haha

[gbhibby]

Quite - with just 17.5k tickets it's pretty unlikely I'll (and many of the other out of town supporters) will get one. I've been to one home game this season so far and subscribe to Hibs TV and have been at every final since 1979 (except the 1991 one when my lift didn't materialise) - but yeh I don't deserve a ticket and it's fine for the principles of sporting integrity to be cast aside because of the grip Sevco and Celtc have over the domestic game.
Could not have put it better myself. We are all HIBS.

[Liberal Hibby]

I live in York.

Before I moved here, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?

Yes - that's the sum of his argument.

[CMurdoch]

I live in York.

Before I moved there, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s.. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?

You are covered by the HSL monthly contribution clause and are thus entitled to a cup final ticket.
Enjoy the game ya radge.

[Hibbyradge]

You are covered by the HSL monthly contribution clause and are thus entitled to a cup final ticket.
Enjoy the game ya radge.

Stop your nonsense, then. Trolling is against the rules.

[CMurdoch]

It's been fun being the devils advocate this evening but sadly my time is now up.

[Liberal Hibby]

Got you covered.
In one of my early devils advocate posts on this thread I said anyone who had attended a home game this season should get a ticket.
Congratulations!
Enjoy the final.

You're not playing devil's advocate you're advocating Celtic fans getting priority over Hibs fans. And with 17,500 tickets I'll doubt I'll be there in person. But I'll do my best to enjoy the final in whatever way I can...

[CMurdoch]

Stop your nonsense, then. Trolling is against the rules.

13 pages of radgeness is quite enough.
See you at the final.

[gbhibby]

Got you covered.
In one of my early devils advocate posts on this thread I said anyone who had attended a home game this season should get a ticket.
Congratulations!
Enjoy the final.
What about others who pump money into the club from abroad. Not everyone can get to the stadium. I did raise this but you have chosen not to respond.

[007]

It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.

Don't agree with your calculation. You've based it on sellout crowds every week. Hardly realistic we'll sell out every week.

Winning a cup is one of the best ways to increase ST sales and thereby, home attendances? What you're advocating is giving Celtic an advantage and therefore reducing our chances of winning it.

Plus, the "day trippers", as you call them, are surely the target market for the club who'll be aiming to convert them into regular goers / season ticket holders. If they're not deserving of a ticket then the club's chances of converting them is greatly reduced.

[007]

It's been fun being the devils advocate this evening but sadly my time is now up.

More like trolling than playing devil's advocate.

[CMurdoch]

What about others who pump money into the club from abroad. Not everyone can get to the stadium. I did raise this but you have chosen not to respond.

Sorry, i answered Bristol Hibee re Overseas Hibs TV subscribers on page 6
"folk from Australia and America etc who pay a subscription for Hibs TV. They support the club so would be eligible for a cup final ticket".

[NAE NOOKIE]

If they are that bothered about the tickets being sold, sign a contract where we are liable for maximum cost of unsold tickets. Not hard and nobody loses out.

We shouldn't even have to be going down that route mate. Hibs could simply agree that any tickets not sold by Thursday at 5pm can be sent to Celtic .... The way tickets are sold in blocks we can sell starting from the sections nearest the south stand and any complete block not sold by that date can be reserved for Celtic. As it is I'm still convinced Hibs could easily sell 23,000 tickets even at the stupid prices being asked.

The bottom line here is as I said before an absolutely fundamental issue of fair play. Where it's obvious a club cannot sell a full allocation EG ..Ross County, Livvi that sort of thing then fair enough it makes sense to give a realistic allocation. But, there is absolutely no evidence that Hibs are not capable of shifting 23,000, in fact a raft of evidence that we can do so and that being the case it is absolutely unfair that we are not at least being given the chance.

The rules of the competition as I understand it state that the final will be played at a neutral venue ..... What makes home advantage home advantage is not just playing on your own pitch but also an assumption that you will have the majority of the crowd on your side. If Covid proved anything it was that the crowd was the main factor in what makes home advantage an advantage ... with no crowds many club's away record improved, not least amongst them Hibs.

I for one am really really angry that Hibs have caved into this. They state their unhappiness at the decision in that statement, but in my opinion it doesn't go nearly far enough ... They should state in no uncertain terms that the SPFL have taken a step that is far from justifiable given this club's proven ability to shift enough tickets to justify a 50/50 split and that in sporting terms as far as this club is concerned the SPFL have handed an advantage to our opponents for that final.

Aye ok, if they cave in and we fail to shift all the tickets then we end up with egg on our face .... but that is the very last thing we should be considering at this point.

[jgl07]

I am sorry but the fundamental issue here is how competitive is Scottish Football? At the moment Rangers dominate. They have proved to be ***** in recent years in knock-out competitions. But that is not enough. I get the impression that the Scottish Football authorities would e really like Celtic to win a trophy to maintain competitiveness . If the authorities still want to maintain this hegemony then fine. Count me out!

The whole bloody edifice is rigged from the start. There is no need for further manipulation. I do not feel inclined to pay money to support this shambles.

[007]

We shouldn't even have to be going down that route mate. Hibs could simply agree that any tickets not sold by Thursday at 5pm can be sent to Celtic .... The way tickets are sold in blocks we can sell starting from the sections nearest the south stand and any complete block not sold by that date can be reserved for Celtic. As it is I'm still convinced Hibs could easily sell 23,000 tickets even at the stupid prices being asked.

The bottom line here is as I said before an absolutely fundamental issue of fair play. Where it's obvious a club cannot sell a full allocation EG ..Ross County, Livvi that sort of thing then fair enough it makes sense to give a realistic allocation. But, there is absolutely no evidence that Hibs are not capable of shifting 23,000, in fact a raft of evidence that we can do so and that being the case it is absolutely unfair that we are not at least being given the chance.

The rules of the competition as I understand it state that the final will be played at a neutral venue ..... What makes home advantage home advantage is not just playing on your own pitch but also an assumption that you will have the majority of the crowd on your side. If Covid proved anything it was that the crowd was the main factor in what makes home advantage an advantage ... with no crowds many club's away record improved, not least amongst them Hibs.

I for one am really really angry that Hibs have caved into this. They state their unhappiness at the decision in that statement, but in my opinion it doesn't go nearly far enough ... They should state in no uncertain terms that the SPFL have taken a step that is far from justifiable given this club's proven ability to shift enough tickets to justify a 50/50 split and that in sporting terms as far as this club is concerned the SPFL have handed an advantage to our opponents for that final.

Aye ok, if they cave in and we fail to shift all the tickets then we end up with egg on our face .... but that is the very last thing we should be considering at this point.

Totally agree.

I think the 2017 LC semi v Celtic where we asked for and got a lot more tickets than we ended up selling has possibly played a part in the decision. Celtic will no doubt have reminded the SPFL of that, though IIRC the SPFL botched the order in which we were allowed to put the blocks on sale which meant our unsold tickets couldn't be given to Celtic.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I am sorry but the fundamental issue here is how competitive is Scottish Football? At the moment Rangers dominate. They have proved to be ***** in recent years in knock-out competitions. But that is not enough. I get the impression that the Scottish Football authorities would e really like Celtic to win a trophy to maintain competitiveness . If the authorities still want to maintain this hegemony then fine. Count me out!

The whole bloody edifice is rigged from the start. There is no need for further manipulation. I do not feel inclined to pay money to support this shambles.

I get the sentiment mate, I really do. But if too many of us go down that route and we don't even shift 17,500 they will be able to claim their decision was justified. As it is I think as many of us as possible should be E Mailing the SPFL asking what gives them the right to spit all over the notion of fair play and also Hibs to ask why they are not publicly calling this out. Not some wishy washy statement on our official site that only Hibs fans will see but a TV interview by either our CEO or even better the club's owner stating in no uncertain terms that the SPFL have with absolutely no justification handed Celtic an advantage before the game has even kicked off.

[CMurdoch]

Don't agree with your calculation. You've based it on sellout crowds every week. Hardly realistic we'll sell out every week.

Winning a cup is one of the best ways to increase ST sales and thereby, home attendances? What you're advocating is giving Celtic an advantage and therefore reducing our chances of winning it.

Plus, the "day trippers", as you call them, are surely the target market for the club who'll be aiming to convert them into regular goers / season ticket holders. If they're not deserving of a ticket then the club's chances of converting them is greatly reduced.

We need to have more supporters at Easter Road than we currently do to finance progress or we will be fighting for 4th with Aberdeen in a couple of years time. If we can start playing well and sign a few good players in the summer the fairweather fans will return to the supporter ranks but you can't rely on them.

Re the cup, we did well on Sunday with the hardcore 10,000 supporters at the game cheering the team on.
The SPFL have subsequently decided in all the circumstances that Hibs should receive an extra 7,500 tickets for the final and folk on here are outraged.

I get it from a fairness point of view but I also saw Celtic sign a fantastic player from Japan in the summer for millions of pounds while we signed a kid from Raith Rovers for £100k who can't make it until January which strikes at any sense of any real sporting integrity.

Hopefully every Hibs supporter who has more than a passing interest in the team can get a ticket for the final.

[FilipinoHibs]

Sorry, i answered Bristol Hibee re Overseas Hibs TV subscribers on page 6
"folk from Australia and America etc who pay a subscription for Hibs TV. They support the club so would be eligible for a cup final ticket".

I live in the Philippines and subscribe to Hibs TV. Been a season ticket holder for many years. Followed Hibs since the late 60s. Coming home for Christmas and the club have assured me I will be looked after.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Don't agree with your calculation. You've based it on sellout crowds every week. Hardly realistic we'll sell out every week.

Winning a cup is one of the best ways to increase ST sales and thereby, home attendances? What you're advocating is giving Celtic an advantage and therefore reducing our chances of winning it.

Plus, the "day trippers", as you call them, are surely the target market for the club who'll be aiming to convert them into regular goers / season ticket holders. If they're not deserving of a ticket then the club's chances of converting them is greatly reduced.

All of this in spades and especially the 2nd paragraph.

Day trippers as folk like to call them are exactly why this club can sell allocations of 23,000 for cup finals. Who cares what sort of 'fans' make up our cup final crowds, there is barely a club on the planet that doesn't rely on casual supporters when it comes to cup finals ...... I can't believe anybody on here is in any way trying to argue that this decision by the SPFL can in any way be justified.

The only reason they are doing this is because they can guarantee a sell out if they give Celtic the majority of the tickets. That is an affront to the final as a sporting contest played on a level playing field. Celtic already hold an advantage by being able to field a team considerably more expensive than anything we could put on the park, they hold an advantage because the final is being played in their city ...... There's nothing Hibs or the SPFL can do about that.

What they can do is to ensure that the things they do have control over to make the final as fair as it can be are applied. Front and centre to that is to ensure both clubs have the same level of support on the day if at all possible .... In this case it is possible and yet they have chosen to hand the club who already hold most of the aces another advantage, even in the face of one of the clubs in this final asking for a 50/50 split.

That is so blatantly unfair that in my opinion it is tantamount to at best bringing the game into disrepute, at worst match fixing and that is exactly what Hibs should be saying about it ... and very very publicly.

FFS .... For once can this bloody club show some balls !!!

[HH81]

I'm not even home from the semi final yet and might not get a final ticket.

Joke really. They are pretty much saying celtic fans are more important than Hibs fans!

[Since90+2]

I live in York.

Before I moved here, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?

By his logic he believes a Celtic fan should be there ahead of you.

Mental.

[Bristolhibby]

They already have and the SPFL weren’t having it. Not much more can be done.

The SPFL need to be embarrassed. Force them to back their decision with a statement. I presume as with every club there’s a dispute resolution procedure. Hibs need to invoke this procedure and air our dirty laundry.

I hope this isn’t the last of this.

J

[Bristolhibby]

By your logic then we should not have received any more than the amount of people who have a season ticket and are walk up fans at previous finals. Why do you care so much? Personally I want as many Hibs fans at the final be they season ticket holders walk ups or day trippers. You seem to forget about Fans abroad who post on here buy merchandise subscribe to Hibs TV and pay money into HSL, who will travel from abroad/other parts of the UK to the final or are they Day trippers in your world.
Get a grip, supporters contribute to the club in different ways financially so your argument does not stack up.

I can’t tell if he’s on the wind up or not, as the view is so alien to most of us on here.

J

[Gmack7]

Maybe we'll try to tie it up with half season tickets

[Crunchie]

At least 10,000 of those so called Hibs supporters you speak of are no use to Hibs.
We only see them at glory time. They provide no financial support to our club whatsoever.

We have been offered 17,500 Cup Final tickets.
Hibs have 11,100 season ticket holders and have about 2,400 regular walk ups
That leaves 4,000 tickets which I reckon should be sold first to anyone who has paid to attend even a single game at Easter Road this season.
Whatever number of tickets are left after that can be punted in a public sale.

Celtic probably have 50,000 season ticket holders so it is only fair that there should be an attempt to give at least half of them the opportunity to attend the cup final ticket rather than giving them to Hibs to sell to people who are really not that bothered about Hibs or Scottish football week to week.
I don't like Celtic much but I would rather that Scottish football supporters get cup final ticket than fair weather folk who only do big games.

The allocation of stands is a whole different matter. We should get half of the North.
That's the kind of argument I'd expect from a RANTIC fan.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I live in Ireland and I’d love to be at this final. But equally the only match I’ve been to this season was away at Dens Park. I pay into HSL. Don’t want to take a ticket away from a hibby that deserves it more.

don’t know if I’ve any chance of getting a ticket, or whether morally I should even apply for one.

dilemma.

[Bristolhibby]

I live in Ireland and I’d love to be at this final. But equally the only match I’ve been to this season was away at Dens Park. I pay into HSL. Don’t want to take a ticket away from a hibby that deserves it more.

don’t know if I’ve any chance of getting a ticket, or whether morally I should even apply for one.

dilemma.

No dilemma, you are a Hibs fan, apply.

Strangely Dundee Away is my only live game this season. Best believe I’ll be looking to go.

J

[jakedance]

Hoping my eight game package thing will count for something in how tickets for the final are sold.

[matty_f]

It should be 50/50 initially, and the pricing is an utter scandal. Where are the student prices? £40 unless you want one of the crap seats. What a disgrace, and the SPFL saying that they’d frozen prices since 2019 - nobody went to the final in 2020!!
The only consolation is that ultimately Hibs will benefit from it but really I’d rather we made less from the game than feel like we’re being bent over again with the prices.

[green day]

While not agreeing with the decision on the split, the BBC sport story isnt quite accurate.

It suggests that Hibs are getting 17500 out of the 52000 capacity (i.e. 33%). The truth is that a 50/50 split of Hampden would be about 21000 to each club (as there are so many sponsor tickets, hospitality and some seats lost to segregation - more this time).

The proposed split is hence unfair, but also forces ticketless Hibs (and Celtic) fans to pay extortionate fees for hospitality tickets.

Nice one SPFL.....................

[Brooster]

I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

[HH81]

I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

Me too 😁.

[Since90+2]

I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

It'll be season ticket holders, then those who purchase a half season ticket and then general sale.

The majority of people who want a ticket will get one but there will undoubtedly be people who miss out unfortunately.

[Weegreenman]

17,500 tickets is nothing short of a disgrace. An absolute ****ing joke!

Cup finals are about bringing along your family. Kids, grandparents, family from overseas.

Loads of fans will miss out. Scottish football run by amateurs who pander to the old firm.

[Crunchie]

I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.
You could have replaced the 10000 who were there with another 10000 Hibby's like myself, the atmosphere would have been as good, what was there to be negative about?

I've been at more semi's than I care to remember and the atmosphere's been crap, mainly due to the score.

[hibbysam]

We shouldn't even have to be going down that route mate. Hibs could simply agree that any tickets not sold by Thursday at 5pm can be sent to Celtic .... The way tickets are sold in blocks we can sell starting from the sections nearest the south stand and any complete block not sold by that date can be reserved for Celtic. As it is I'm still convinced Hibs could easily sell 23,000 tickets even at the stupid prices being asked.

The bottom line here is as I said before an absolutely fundamental issue of fair play. Where it's obvious a club cannot sell a full allocation EG ..Ross County, Livvi that sort of thing then fair enough it makes sense to give a realistic allocation. But, there is absolutely no evidence that Hibs are not capable of shifting 23,000, in fact a raft of evidence that we can do so and that being the case it is absolutely unfair that we are not at least being given the chance.

The rules of the competition as I understand it state that the final will be played at a neutral venue ..... What makes home advantage home advantage is not just playing on your own pitch but also an assumption that you will have the majority of the crowd on your side. If Covid proved anything it was that the crowd was the main factor in what makes home advantage an advantage ... with no crowds many club's away record improved, not least amongst them Hibs.

I for one am really really angry that Hibs have caved into this. They state their unhappiness at the decision in that statement, but in my opinion it doesn't go nearly far enough ... They should state in no uncertain terms that the SPFL have taken a step that is far from justifiable given this club's proven ability to shift enough tickets to justify a 50/50 split and that in sporting terms as far as this club is concerned the SPFL have handed an advantage to our opponents for that final.

Aye ok, if they cave in and we fail to shift all the tickets then we end up with egg on our face .... but that is the very last thing we should be considering at this point.

I agree but I really want North stand tickets so would mean selling the best seats last doing it block by block. If they’re worried about revenue then we’ve made that promise, if they are worried about how it would look then make club sell from front to back rather than block by block.

Whole thing stinks though, they’re not working in the equal best interests of all parties.

[hibbysam]

I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

100%.

[green day]

It'll be season ticket holders, then those who purchase a half season ticket and then general sale.

The majority of people who want a ticket will get one but there will undoubtedly be people who miss out unfortunately.

Yep, I also wonder if Hibs will also add in those who have bought the 8 / 5 match packages before public sale?

i.e. ST, Half ST, Package, Public

I am not sure there is any way the club can look at non ST holders who went to the semi, as there is no way to verify who got them.

[Keith_M]

Yep, I also wonder if Hibs will also add in those who have bought the 8 / 5 match packages before public sale?

i.e. ST, Half ST, Package, Public

I am not sure there is any way the club can look at non ST holders who went to the semi, as there is no way to verify who got them.


I have nine tickets sitting on my Dressing Table, so easy to prove.

:wink:

[Brightside]

Yep, I also wonder if Hibs will also add in those who have bought the 8 / 5 match packages before public sale?

i.e. ST, Half ST, Package, Public

I am not sure there is any way the club can look at non ST holders who went to the semi, as there is no way to verify who got them.

The package didn’t cover the cup so it won’t be involved. It will 100% go ST, Half, Public. And that’s as it should be. It will also be 1 ticket per ST. So people better get their Network setup quick.

[LancsHibs]

Is this the authorities taking revenge on us for having the audacity to beat the Huns and spoil their OF ‘big cup final’?
As said before, there is a dangerous precedent being set here for any further finals/semi’s we get to against the OF (also for the likes of Hearts & Aberdeen, who should be supporting us in complaining to the SPFL) and flies in the face of sporting integrity and fair play. Never would this sort of one sided bias be allowed when arranging supporters allocation for an English cup final.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think the club should make a stance and say it's either a 50/50 split, or refuse to take any tickets. This wont be the last final we make, and this is now the rules for future finals.:rolleyes:

[Crunchie]

I think the club should make a stance and say it's either a 50/50 split, or refuse to take any tickets. This wont be the last final we make, and this is now the rules for future finals.:rolleyes:
That'll get support right enough :faf:

[Stokesy's on fire]

I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

100% Agree one of the best ways to handle this is to grant those who purchased semi final tickets first chance of final tickets.

[bigwheel]

Looking at the detail of our seating allocation, it would suggest that we will again have Opposition fans above us in the south upper . We only have been given section Q…yet upper sections M and N are above our south stand allocation all the way to the corner flag area ….

[Brightside]

100% Agree one of the best ways to handle this is to grant those who purchased semi final tickets first chance of final tickets.

That won’t happen. STs will always get first dibs on anything

[Danderhall Hibs]

That won’t happen. STs will always get first dibs on anything

Madness for anyone to suggest otherwise- someone attending a one off match has dibs over someone who’s shelled out £400 this season and the same last (for no matches)?

Never going to happen and ridiculous to even think about.

[lord bunberry]

It's been fun being the devils advocate this evening but sadly my time is now up.
Why do you always pretend to know absolutely everything? You constantly speak about our owner as if you know him personally. You seem to appear on so many threads telling everyone they’re wrong. :rolleyes:

[Heisenberg]

Looking at the detail of our seating allocation, it would suggest that we will again have Opposition fans above us in the south upper . We only have been given section Q…yet upper sections M and N are above our south stand allocation all the way to the corner flag area ….

Ridiculous. Sure, if we are lucky enough to be winning/win the game, those fans above us will take it all in good grace and won’t even think about chucking objects down 🙄

[Pagan Hibernia]

The package didn’t cover the cup so it won’t be involved. It will 100% go ST, Half, Public. And that’s as it should be. It will also be 1 ticket per ST. So people better get their Network setup quick.

is it even possible to buy a half ST? I’m on the website and can only see STs and 5 or 8 match packages for sale

[Danderhall Hibs]

is it even possible to buy a half ST? I’m on the website and can only see STs and 5 or 8 match packages for sale

Not yet but the club will be missing a trick if they don’t do them.

[et_hibby]

is it even possible to buy a half ST? I’m on the website and can only see STs and 5 or 8 match packages for sale
They were also available (from around mid-December) last year but it wasn’t heavily advertised.

[blackpoolhibs]

That'll get support right enough :faf:

Of course it wont get the support it should get, but you watch the next time we get to a final against either cheeks.

It will then just be expected we receive a smaller allocation.

You just know your place Crunchie, and bend over please.:rolleyes:

[GreenCastle]

I think the club should make a stance and say it's either a 50/50 split, or refuse to take any tickets. This wont be the last final we make, and this is now the rules for future finals.:rolleyes:

Part of the issue is their seems to be no rules or guidelines.

It wasn’t like they said semi finals will dictate final allocation.

1st final with fans post covid where we had no fans for a year and you would think they would want to be as fair as possible but if you aren’t the old firm you aren’t getting 50 % of tickets for a final anytime soon.

[hibee-boys]

I’m assuming if people signed up to the 5/8 package of games they’ll be able to upgrade to a half season ticket if Hibs go down that route, all becomes a bit complicated then. The fans that have committed to these games should be given this opportunity if it’ll help secure them a final ticket.

[wookie70]

Could we orchestrate a campaign to swamp the SPFL social media channels with allegations of corruption. I have just started in my own small way and will spend some time posting up comments on the corruption of that body on any thread relating to the semi, final or league cup. Let's make a mess of their Social Media and try and at least embarrass them. If there are contacts with other fans groups from other clubs they could join the fun as this will be a similar story for them when they next reach a final

[JeMeSouviens]

I think you should all boycott the game! :grr:

(at least until I can get a ticket :wink:)

[Moulin Yarns]

Could we orchestrate a campaign to swamp the SPFL social media channels with allegations of corruption. I have just started in my own small way and will spend some time posting up comments on the corruption of that body on any thread relating to the semi, final or league cup. Let's make a mess of their Social Media and try and at least embarrass them. If there are contacts with other fans groups from other clubs they could join the fun as this will be a similar story for them when they next reach a final

I'm also thinking of contacting my MSPs, Murdo Fraser will surely take up the baton on our behalf for fairness.

[CanonHannon]

I think the club should make a stance and say it's either a 50/50 split, or refuse to take any tickets. This wont be the last final we make, and this is now the rules for future finals.:rolleyes:

That's a good idea. Agree to take 17.500 and sell none. Leave the whole end empty and boycott. Then the SFA may realise this is not fair.

The North Stand is a major player/twelfth man for any club.

[Moulin Yarns]

that's a good idea. Agree to take 17.500 and sell none. Leave the whole end empty and boycott. Then the sfa may realise this is not fair.

The north stand is a major player/twelfth man for any club.

spfl

[wookie70]

I'm also thinking of contacting my MSPs, Murdo Fraser will surely take up the baton on our behalf for fairness. It won't do any harm but this is a football issue imo and should be kept within the game and its supporters

[Steven79]

Could we orchestrate a campaign to swamp the SPFL social media channels with allegations of corruption. I have just started in my own small way and will spend some time posting up comments on the corruption of that body on any thread relating to the semi, final or league cup. Let's make a mess of their Social Media and try and at least embarrass them. If there are contacts with other fans groups from other clubs they could join the fun as this will be a similar story for them when they next reach a final

That's what we need to do as if we lie down and accept this then next time they will give us even less.

It's time to get organised!

Hit sponsors as well as once that happens then the pressure will be put on the SPFL.

[Steven79]

That's a good idea. Agree to take 17.500 and sell none. Leave the whole end empty and boycott. Then the SFA may realise this is not fair.

The North Stand is a major player/twelfth man for any club.

Yep and also gives them the majority of the best seats in the stadium while we are stuck behind the goals.

We need to fight this and also make sure plenty of banners are at the game showing Scottish football for the joke setup that it is.

Also keep askiing why we are in the West Side of ground when we are coming from Edinburgh?

[blackpoolhibs]

That's a good idea. Agree to take 17.500 and sell none. Leave the whole end empty and boycott. Then the SFA may realise this is not fair.

The North Stand is a major player/twelfth man for any club.

That would cost us money, unless a club makes a stance on this, then this is the norm for ever. Football needs to be fair, even when we know it's not, it needs to be seen to be fair.

I can see them getting more if we couldnt sell those tickets, but now it is just take what you are given and be quiet.

We are next up in a cup final, we are the ones who are being trod all over, we should have the backbone to stand up and tell them to shove their tickets, it's either 50/50 or none.

[Steven79]

Bombard the SPFL with complaints

Phone:0141 620 4140 (tel:01416204140)

Email: [email protected]

[Keith_M]

As much as I'm annoyed that the SPFL/SFA decide on the end we're in according to who the opposition are, I'm happy that we're in the West this time, as it means I can get to and from the stadium with a lot less hassle.

[green day]

That's a good idea. Agree to take 17.500 and sell none. Leave the whole end empty and boycott. Then the SFA may realise this is not fair.

The North Stand is a major player/twelfth man for any club.

Nothing to do with the SFA

[Keith_M]

Nothing to do with the SFA


True, but the SFA actually own the stadium so, in this instance, it might be worth while complaining to them as well as the SPFL

[Dmas]

Ridiculous as per usual from the people running our game, any team no matter who should start with a 50% allocation for semi’s and finals, these games are taken from club grounds to be neutral anything less than 50/50 takes that away and has one team at a disadvantage.

Any tickets not sold the other club should get the opportunity to take up the seats no brainer IMO but the opportunity to take a 50% share to the national stadium for a final should be given to all clubs first.

[gbhibby]

Bombard the SPFL with complaints

Phone:0141 620 4140 (tel:01416204140)

Email: [email protected].
This

[Steven79]

This

We need to fight this all the way and quickly as it will start off with 17,500 but next time they will give us even less.

The time to fight is now or we and every other club that plays the Old Firm in a final from here on in will be pushed further out...

[A Hi-Bee]

Bombard the SPFL with complaints

Phone:0141 620 4140 (tel:01416204140)

Email: [email protected].

Every little bit we can do, but it's a real battle as NO 50/50 = "No Sporting Integrity"

Time to get emailing.

GGTTH

[SteveHFC]

Tickets on sale later this week.

[Steven79]

Every little bit we can do, but it's a real battle as NO 50/50 = "No Sporting Integrity"

Time to get emailing.

GGTTH

We need banners on the day in our end as well on the day, let's create a siege mentallity and take on the SPFL and beat them then beat Celtic in Glasgow to lift the cup.

We need fans of other teams to get on board as this isn't just Hibs as some day it will be Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee United etc etc being shafted.

[wookie70]

Bombard the SPFL with complaints

Phone:0141 620 4140 (tel:01416204140)

Email: [email protected].

I emailed this. Please join the fun and at least get a good vent in an email and try to embarrass this corrupt group.

I was at Hampden to watch my beloved Hibs defeat Rangers in the semi final of the Premier Sports League Cup on Sunday. This allowed us to progress to the Final of the competition where I assumed there would be a neutral venue chosen by the SPFL.

I was not shocked to see that despite the vast majority of the Hibs support travelling from the east of the country we have yet again been given the end furthest away from our supporter base. Strange that what most fans would see as a practical decision or flip of the coin has yet again gone against a team that is not Rangers or Celtic. Allowing these clubs to have their own end at a neutral stadium reeks of favouritism and corruption and screams in the face of sporting integrity.

As a fan for over 40 years I fully expect favouritism towards Rangers and Celtic when it comes to which end they get. They have always been treated more equally than other clubs at Hampden. I was however shocked when the ticketing arrangements were announced. My club have been denied a 50:50 split of seats for the final and the SPFL have effectively created a home ground for Celtic in what should be a neutral venue. Not only does Celtic get more tickets but they also get the seats closest to the pitch which is a massive advantage in creating the "12th man" effect. This so clearly shows a lack of sporting integrity and Hibs are already shooting up the hill against a governing body.

There is no reason given for this clear favouritism both in terms of position of seats and of number and going by past finals there is no doubt that Hibs would easily sell out half of the stadium.

A sporting body has to be seen to be fair and also be fair. The SPFL fail on both counts and continue to run Scottish Football for the benefit of two clubs.

Do the right thing and give Hibernian a fair share of the tickets and a fair distribution of position in the stadium. At the very least at least be seen to be fair.

[Steven79]

I emailed this. Please join the fun and at least get a good vent in an email and try to embarrass this corrupt group.

I was at Hampden to watch my beloved Hibs defeat Rangers in the semi final of the Premier Sports League Cup on Sunday. This allowed us to progress to the Final of the competition where I assumed there would be a neutral venue chosen by the SPFL.

I was not shocked to see that despite the vast majority of the Hibs support travelling from the east of the country we have yet again been given the end furthest away from our supporter base. Strange that what most fans would see as a practical decision or flip of the coin has yet again gone against a team that is not Rangers or Celtic. Allowing these clubs to have their own end at a neutral stadium reeks of favouritism and corruption and screams in the face of sporting integrity.

As a fan for over 40 years I fully expect favouritism towards Rangers and Celtic when it comes to which end they get. They have always been treated more equally than other clubs at Hampden. I was however shocked when the ticketing arrangements were announced. My club have been denied a 50:50 split of seats for the final and the SPFL have effectively created a home ground for Celtic in what should be a neutral venue. Not only does Celtic get more tickets but they also get the seats closest to the pitch which is a massive advantage in creating the "12th man" effect. This so clearly shows a lack of sporting integrity and Hibs are already shooting up the hill against a governing body.

There is no reason given for this clear favouritism both in terms of position of seats and of number and going by past finals there is no doubt that Hibs would easily sell out half of the stadium.

A sporting body has to be seen to be fair and also be fair. The SPFL fail on both counts and continue to run Scottish Football for the benefit of two clubs.

Do the right thing and give Hibernian a fair share of the tickets and a fair distribution of position in the stadium. At the very least at least be seen to be fair.

Spot on!

:thumbsup:

[Onion]

I think the club should make a stance and say it's either a 50/50 split, or refuse to take any tickets. This wont be the last final we make, and this is now the rules for future finals.:rolleyes:

Agree with this. It's the club that needs to take a strong stand here. If this fails, then everyone needs to make a right stink in the media at every opportunity.

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[Jones28]

I am dismayed at the ticketing arrangements made for the Scottish League Cup Final taking place on the 19 of December.


In an unprecedented move, you have decided to arbitrarily change the way you allocate tickets to the respective finalists.


Hampden is supposed to be our National stadium, a true neutral venue at which to play a cup final. Yet Hibernian, who have no history of selling fewer than half the capacity of Hampden for national finals, have for some bizarre reason had their allocation cut.


I refer to previous fixtures in the final of this competition: namely against Ross County in 2016, Kilmarnock in 2007 and Livingston in 2003. All fixtures in which Hibernian sold well more than the 20,000 or so that should be allocated in 2021, and were in fact closer to selling 40,000 than 20,000.


Other cup finals (excluding the 2021 Scottish Cup) against Hearts in 2012, Celtic in 2013 and Rangers in 2016 saw Hampden split equally, as it should be for a cup final. Why has this suddenly been changed?


What is even more dismaying is that Hibernian fans haven't even been given the opportunity to sell out their half of the stadium. That is the real disgrace here. Now Hibs fans will face a scramble to get their hands on 4,000 or so fewer tickets than the regular allocation. If it were the case that with a week to go before the match there were 2/3k tickets left to sell there would be no complaints about tickets being made available for Celtic fans to buy, but you haven't even given Hibernian fans the chance.


Further to that, the pricing. In the aftermath of a pandemic, where many people will struggle with money and in the week before Christmas, for the cheapest adult ticket to be £35 is scandalous. This especially galling when the semi-final was priced the way it was.


This is not to mention Celtic receiving their "end", as usual. In what way is it ok that 2 teams, when they visit Hampden, are pre-allocated an end of the national stadium regardless of who they are playing?


As a Hibs supporter who has been struggling financially, I could have even forgiven the pricing and Celtic being given their usual end of Hampden if you had given Hibs a fair chance at selling out half the ground.


This is a ridiculous decision, and one that I look forward to receiving a full explanation for.

[Silky]

It should be 50/50 initially, and the pricing is an utter scandal. Where are the student prices? £40 unless you want one of the crap seats. What a disgrace, and the SPFL saying that they’d frozen prices since 2019 - nobody went to the final in 2020!!
The only consolation is that ultimately Hibs will benefit from it but really I’d rather we made less from the game than feel like we’re being bent over again with the prices.

Totally agree Matty. However, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, they charge these prices because, ultimately, us fans will pay it to watch a cup final. They could charge £100 and people would want to go. Until fans actually vote with their feet, this scandalous pricing will continue. Will that happen? Of course not.

All we can do is complain. To the SPFL, the club, the fans rep. The club have been deafeningly silent around the pricing-it would be interesting to hear why they agreed to it.

[Pagan Hibernia]

The 2016 final against Ross County… were RC given the opportunity to sell an equal allocation as us and simply failed to do so, meaning there were loads sent back to us? Or did the SPFL decide before hand that we were getting a far larger allocation than them?

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Fired this to them. At the very least it is making me feel better but if lots of fans take the time it may actually get us somewhere. This really has to be done today though as once Celtc start selling tickets it will be too late

I note that Glen’s Vodka are an official partner of the SPFL. As a partner perhaps you should be concerned about the lack of sporting integrity shown by that organisation in terms of ticketing for this year’s Premier Sports League Cup Final. No doubt your brand would view all football fans equally as potential or existing customers so you may be interested that your partner in Scottish Football has shown utter contempt for Hibernian Fans in giving them less than 50% of tickets and also seating us in areas of the stadium further from the pitch. As someone who does buy Vodka I will certainly have the SPFL in my mind the next time I come to choosing a bottle.

[percy veer]

At least 10,000 of those so called Hibs supporters you speak of are no use to Hibs.
We only see them at glory time. They provide no financial support to our club whatsoever.

We have been offered 17,500 Cup Final tickets.
Hibs have 11,100 season ticket holders and have about 2,400 regular walk ups
That leaves 4,000 tickets which I reckon should be sold first to anyone who has paid to attend even a single game at Easter Road this season.
Whatever number of tickets are left after that can be punted in a public sale.

Celtic probably have 50,000 season ticket holders so it is only fair that there should be an attempt to give at least half of them the opportunity to attend the cup final ticket rather than giving them to Hibs to sell to people who are really not that bothered about Hibs or Scottish football week to week.
I don't like Celtic much but I would rather that Scottish football supporters get cup final ticket than fair weather folk who only do big games.

The allocation of stands is a whole different matter. We should get half of the North.

why do celtic have 50,000 season ticket holders a good percentage from all over scotland? GLORY HUNTERS, next it will be you get your average home attendance as an allocation .

[Northernhibee]

We sold two thirds of Hampden - if not more - against Ross County in 2016 FFS. Completely in the huff as we trounced the SFAs team.

[wookie70]

I am dismayed at the ticketing arrangements made for the Scottish League Cup Final taking place on the 19 of December.


In an unprecedented move, you have decided to arbitrarily change the way you allocate tickets to the respective finalists.


Hampden is supposed to be our National stadium, a true neutral venue at which to play a cup final. Yet Hibernian, who have no history of selling fewer than half the capacity of Hampden for national finals, have for some bizarre reason had their allocation cut.


I refer to previous fixtures in the final of this competition: namely against Ross County in 2016, Kilmarnock in 2007 and Livingston in 2003. All fixtures in which Hibernian sold well more than the 20,000 or so that should be allocated in 2021, and were in fact closer to selling 40,000 than 20,000.


Other cup finals (excluding the 2021 Scottish Cup) against Hearts in 2012, Celtic in 2013 and Rangers in 2016 saw Hampden split equally, as it should be for a cup final. Why has this suddenly been changed?


What is even more dismaying is that Hibernian fans haven't even been given the opportunity to sell out their half of the stadium. That is the real disgrace here. Now Hibs fans will face a scramble to get their hands on 4,000 or so fewer tickets than the regular allocation. If it were the case that with a week to go before the match there were 2/3k tickets left to sell there would be no complaints about tickets being made available for Celtic fans to buy, but you haven't even given Hibernian fans the chance.


Further to that, the pricing. In the aftermath of a pandemic, where many people will struggle with money and in the week before Christmas, for the cheapest adult ticket to be £35 is scandalous. This especially galling when the semi-final was priced the way it was.


This is not to mention Celtic receiving their "end", as usual. In what way is it ok that 2 teams, when they visit Hampden, are pre-allocated an end of the national stadium regardless of who they are playing?


As a Hibs supporter who has been struggling financially, I could have even forgiven the pricing and Celtic being given their usual end of Hampden if you had given Hibs a fair chance at selling out half the ground.


This is a ridiculous decision, and one that I look forward to receiving a full explanation for. Great stuff, hopefully lots of fans will take the time

[ian cruise]

I agree.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.

Following this logic I'm not allowed to support Hibs and would have to support one of the Old Firm.

Fairly certain that's against the Geneva convention forcing me to follow one of those two.

[Spike Mandela]

Let’s just make sure we have the most supporters in the stadium at the end of the game.:flag::cb

[Danderhall Hibs]

Move it to Murrayfield and they can have 35-40k, we'll sweep up the remaining 25-30k.

Everyone's a winner?

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Probably better off complaining to Premier Sports as the main event sponsor. Remember to be civil otherwise they'll likely just ignore the complaint (deep breathes before writing and no caps lock for the full email folks!)

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Obviously the more people asking the question on their twitter, etc the better as it hopefully gains support from other fan bases.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

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It's the only one really that you need

[Chorley Hibee]

I mentioned previously, any Hibs official/player speaking publicly about the match should now refer to it as an away tie rather than a cup final.

Embarrass the authorities and the sponsors at every opportunity.

[hibbysam]

The 2016 final against Ross County… were RC given the opportunity to sell an equal allocation as us and simply failed to do so, meaning there were loads sent back to us? Or did the SPFL decide before hand that we were getting a far larger allocation than them?

I think the (previously) done thing is clubs start at 50/50 - that club then has the chance to say ‘no we won’t need anywhere near that, give us 8k with the proviso of another 5k if required’ (numbers for reference just made up). The other side can then get the rest of the tickets plus the possibility of that other 5k if it’s not needed.

[tamig]

That's a good idea. Agree to take 17.500 and sell none. Leave the whole end empty and boycott. Then the SFA may realise this is not fair.

The North Stand is a major player/twelfth man for any club.

We did ok without any fans in the North Stand on Sunday.

[hibbysam]

We did ok without any fans in the North Stand on Sunday.

Maybe so, but I’d far rather that view than the one I had.

[gaz1875]

We did ok without any fans in the North Stand on Sunday.

The north stand is the view the cameras pick up throughout the match. For anyone watching it will look like a home match for them, not just the fact it's the better viewing stand.

[A Hi-Bee]

Bombard the SPFL with complaints

Phone:0141 620 4140 (tel:01416204140)

Email: [email protected].

Don't put a dot on the end of the email address, it may not get to who you intend.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

Don't put a dot on the end of the email address, it may not get to who you intend.

[email protected]


Bet that's what Dundee done that time.

[Bristolhibby]

I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

I think that’s only happened in the past once. 2001 Cup Final IIRC. Luckily I was at the semi v Livi For that one.

Not going to happen in this day and age.

As has been said

ST & Half ST then Public sale.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Tickets on sale later this week.

Where did you hear that from?

Cheers

J

[JohnMcM]

The actual ticket allocation seating is on our main site now. Depending on the segregation plan, some of us could have Celtic fans above us in the south stand. Umbrellas will be needed if so.

[tamig]

The north stand is the view the cameras pick up throughout the match. For anyone watching it will look like a home match for them, not just the fact it's the better viewing stand.

To be honest, I couldn’t really care what it looks like on the telly.

[tamig]

Maybe so, but I’d far rather that view than the one I had.

The South is always an option. Not checked the prices though so I’d imagine it will be a bit more expensive than behind the goal. Was a great view from the South on Sunday.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Response from Neil Doncaster:

Dear Peter,

Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.

I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.

Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.

In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.

It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.

I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.

Kind regards,

Neil

[green day]

The South is always an option. Not checked the prices though so I’d imagine it will be a bit more expensive than behind the goal. Was a great view from the South on Sunday.

Yep

Same tickets for the final (at the other side of the tunnel obvs) would be fantastic - I always used to prefer the North, but I think that bit of the South was better on Sunday.

[MWHIBBIES]

Response from Neil Doncaster:

Dear Peter,

Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.

I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.

Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.

In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.

It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.

I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.

Kind regards,

Neil

Its the wrong decision but we've really only ourselves to blame. If we take 20k to our last 3 league Cup semis, this never happens.

[Moulin Yarns]

Response from Neil Doncaster:

Dear Peter,

Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.

I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.

Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.

In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.

It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.

I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.

Kind regards,

Neil

If that is the official response then it needs to be challenged, and publicised. Any sports phone in, off the ball etc, so that supporters of other clubs know what they are up against.

Marie Todd is the sport minister at Holyrood, the negative publicity of it being raised in Parliament might make a difference.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Its the wrong decision but we've really only ourselves to blame. If we take 20k to our last 3 league Cup semis, this never happens.

This isn’t a semi final though - what’s our attendance at the last 3 finals been like?

[Bobby's Cinema]

Response from Neil Doncaster:

Dear Peter,

Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.

I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.

Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.

In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.

It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.

I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.

Kind regards,

Neil

The number of celtic fans attending the semi that cannot attend the final has absolutely no bearing on the question being asked and cannot come into an explanation for reasons for not having a 50/50 split. Is he also suggesting there that we might get more if celtic can't sell out haha. There also has to be an understanding that the further down you go, the bigger the difference will be between semi supports and final supports. Pathetic if that is seen as a response thats going to fly.

[Lee Marvin]

Its the wrong decision but we've really only ourselves to blame. If we take 20k to our last 3 league Cup semis, this never happens.

This is absolute rubbish. We have only once taken this amount to a semi final this century, and even then we failed to sell out our allocation.

By your logic, we will never be allowed 50% allocation in an old firm final ever again!?! What about St Johnsotne, who took 2k (apparently) on Saturday. They should receive 3500 tickets for a final against the old firm?

We are being shafted here, and you have the cheek to blame the fans.

[JimBHibees]

Its the wrong decision but we've really only ourselves to blame. If we take 20k to our last 3 league Cup semis, this never happens.

We've never done that for semi finals though. This is a separate game at a neutral venue. The last three league cup finals we have been in we have taken more than 30k to all three.

[Steven79]

If that is the official response then it needs to be challenged, and publicised. Any sports phone in, off the ball etc, so that supporters of other clubs know what they are up against.

Marie Todd is the sport minister at Holyrood, the negative publicity of it being raised in Parliament might make a difference.I will contact a few Government MP's tonight when I get home from work.

I'm on a first name basis with a few so hopefully they can push from their side.

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[danhibees1875]

I understand the reasoning behind the argument of a Celtic STH who went to the semi final, and earlier rounds, not getting to go but it completely misses the point about the sporting integrity of a national cup final.

I can't think of this ever happening before? Is this the first time and the start of a precedent?

[Billy Whizz]

I understand the reasoning behind the argument of a Celtic STH who went to the semi final, and earlier rounds, not getting to go but it completely misses the point about the sporting integrity of a national cup final.

I can't think of this ever happening before? Is this the first time and the start of a precedent?

No idea when it started, but it’s definitely in the League Cup rules and regulations now

[patlowe]

His logic is baffling and potentially dangerous in terms of precedent. As posters have said above, what will clubs that take less than us be allocated in future finals? What would happen if Hibs and Hearts both made the final but for whatever reason had different levels of support in the semi? And when was it decided that crowds at the preceding semi made a difference to final allocation? Or was it just on a whim? Farcical.

For a neutral game, surely the obvious approach is to start with an equal split and take it from there.

[BoomtownHibees]

Its the wrong decision but we've really only ourselves to blame. If we take 20k to our last 3 league Cup semis, this never happens.

Semi final attendance should have nothing to do with it. The only question that should be asked is “is there a chance that Hibs are likely to sell 50% in this final”. If the answer is “yes” (which it would be) then we absolutely should be given the opportunity to do so

[Neil4Hibs]

I had a similar but slightly different response from Neil Doncaster. At least he is reading the messages and responding, which I appreciate. I have however written back to him to thank him for his response but point out I don't agree with it!

Dear Neil,

Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.

I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.

Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.

In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.

It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.

It is in fact quite a common occurrence for one team in a final to be allocated more tickets than their opponents. Indeed, the 2016 Scottish League Cup final saw Hibernian receive an initial 25,800 tickets (with Ross County getting 7,000).

I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.

Kind regards,

Neil

[JeMeSouviens]

I understand the reasoning behind the argument of a Celtic STH who went to the semi final, and earlier rounds, not getting to go but it completely misses the point about the sporting integrity of a national cup final.

I can't think of this ever happening before? Is this the first time and the start of a precedent?

Same thing happened to Aberdeen in 2018.

In the mists of time it was quite common, eg. 1993 League cup final at Parkhead we had behind the goal and a bit of there main stand whereas the Old Huns had the "Jungle" side on top of that.

[JeMeSouviens]

I had a similar but slightly different response from Neil Doncaster. At least he is reading the messages and responding, which I appreciate. I have however written back to him to thank him for his response but point out I don't agree with it!

Dear Neil,

Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.

I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.

Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.

In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.

It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.

It is in fact quite a common occurrence for one team in a final to be allocated more tickets than their opponents. Indeed, the 2016 Scottish League Cup final saw Hibernian receive an initial 25,800 tickets (with Ross County getting 7,000).

I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.

Kind regards,

Neil



This bit is total Donkey bollocks - Ross County got 7K because that's what they asked for. It was all agreed by both clubs.

[Neil4Hibs]

This bit is total Donkey bollocks - Ross County got 7K because that's what they asked for. It was all agreed by both clubs.

That was the gist of my response to him. Not sure if I will get a further reply.......

[tamig]

No idea when it started, but it’s definitely in the League Cup rules and regulations now

Whats in the regulations now Billy?

[tamig]

This bit is total Donkey bollocks - Ross County got 7K because that's what they asked for. It was all agreed by both clubs.

What he says is factually correct though.

[Steven79]

That was the gist of my response to him. Not sure if I will get a further reply.......Going by his logic next time a old firm semi/final comes up then Celtic should get more tickets as they have more season ticket holders and we all know that wouldn't happen...

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[JeMeSouviens]

What he says is factually correct though.

Yes, but unless the point being made was that Celtc should only be allowed half the stadium even if Hibs can't sell the other half, it's also irrelevant.

[Lee Marvin]

What he says is factually correct though.

Factual correct as a statement in isolation, but not in context. That would only be relevant if Hibs asked for 17.5k tickets, which we didn't.

It's apples and orange in the context of this matter and I'm surprised Doncaster was not clever enough to see how transparent the deflection is.

[Billy McKirdy]

I’m thinking this is perhaps karma from the authorities for our ‘exuberance’ after the 2016 final?.

[MWHIBBIES]

This is absolute rubbish. We have only once taken this amount to a semi final this century, and even then we failed to sell out our allocation.

By your logic, we will never be allowed 50% allocation in an old firm final ever again!?! What about St Johnsotne, who took 2k (apparently) on Saturday. They should receive 3500 tickets for a final against the old firm?

We are being shafted here, and you have the cheek to blame the fans.

I agree with you, and I'm not blaming the fans so wind it in.

My point is they'll do anything to **** us over and help the old firm. We've given them that chance, in their eyes at least. It's an awful decision because we know we'd sell 50%, but they can now point to x and y and say we wouldn't

[Billy Whizz]

Whats in the regulations now Billy?

Sorry, that ticketing and pricing for semi finals and Final, are determined by the board. Not sure when this was introduced
10.7.1 on page 15
Think they also introduced a rule where away fans in the knock out rounds, weren’t guaranteed a % of tickets


https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/images/shares/pdfs/League%20Cup%20Regulations%20(21-Jun-21).pdf

[Hermit Crab]

Anyone else reading the AST email as ST holders are being allowed to purchase more than one ticket?

[Keith_M]

I realise some people are going to take this the wrong way, and there's not much I can do about that, but I'm just trying to come up with a sensible compromise, so please at least bear with me when I ask....



Would it be possible to designate one of the areas behind the goals (e.g. Section B) as the place to go if you absolutely must stand?


It's obvious that there's a lot of people that do want to stand in seated areas, as evidenced by Sunday's game, but there are loads of us that only do it because we have no choice and would rather sit down.

I was stood next to one old guy that literally couldn't stand any longer and missed the last thirty minutes of the game because he had to sit down, and there were two kids in front of us that couldn't see a thing for nearly the whole match. I'm sure they weren't alone in that

I also had relatives at the game that asked why they had paid £25 for a seat and never got to use it.



I'm really not taking any side in this, as it's always a heated debate, just trying to think up something that suits both parties.

[davhibby]

What he says is factually correct though.

But it’s not the same scenario. In 2016 both clubs were given what they wanted. Ross County got 7k with the chance to up it if needed. We’re being given less than we’ve asked for with no hope of getting more

[Danderhall Hibs]

Anyone else reading the AST email as ST holders are being allowed to purchase more than one ticket?

That wouldn’t make sense - you can only use one?

[Hermit Crab]

That wouldn’t make sense - you can only use one?


You could only use one on Sunday but ST holders were allowed to purchase up to 20 could they not? :dunno:

[Billy Whizz]

Anyone else reading the AST email as ST holders are being allowed to purchase more than one ticket?

Complete opposite is how I read it
If you want to sit with friends, you have to withdraw from the AST for the game

[Hermit Crab]

Complete opposite is how I read it
If you want to sit with friends, you have to withdraw from the AST for the game

Just this bit Billy,

Please confirm if you wish to be removed from the scheme to purchase additional tickets with family or friends as we are unable to add any additional to the payment run.

[Ringothedog]

Just this bit Billy,

Please confirm if you wish to be removed from the scheme to purchase additional tickets with family or friends as we are unable to add any additional to the payment run.

Basically means that any AST holders that wish to purchase tickets outwith the AST scheme have to ask to be removed. This will allow them to purchase tickets with other Season ticket holders

[GreenCastle]

Semi final attendance should have nothing to do with it. The only question that should be asked is “is there a chance that Hibs are likely to sell 50% in this final”. If the answer is “yes” (which it would be) then we absolutely should be given the opportunity to do so

You have to remember that some semi finals were also played at other grounds in previous years so not even the chance to try sell more tickets.

Hibs played at Tynecastle for example and Hearts played at Easter Road.

[Hermit Crab]

Basically means that any AST holders that wish to purchase tickets outwith the AST scheme have to ask to be removed. This will allow them to purchase tickets with other Season ticket holders


To me additional tickets means more than 1. :dunno:

[gbhibby]

I had a similar but slightly different response from Neil Doncaster. At least he is reading the messages and responding, which I appreciate. I have however written back to him to thank him for his response but point out I don't agree with it!

Dear Neil,

Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.

I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.

Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.

In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.

It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.

It is in fact quite a common occurrence for one team in a final to be allocated more tickets than their opponents. Indeed, the 2016 Scottish League Cup final saw Hibernian receive an initial 25,800 tickets (with Ross County getting 7,000).

I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.

Kind regards,

Neil
Got almost the same but they did mention the 38k tickets we got for the Livi final as well.
Asked for clarification on paragraph 5. If I get a response I will share it.

[GreenCastle]

I realise some people are going to take this the wrong way, and there's not much I can do about that, but I'm just trying to come up with a sensible compromise, so please at least bear with me when I ask....



Would it be possible to designate one of the areas behind the goals (e.g. Section B) as the place to go if you absolutely must stand?


It's obvious that there's a lot of people that do want to stand in seated areas, as evidenced by Sunday's game, but there are loads of us that only do it because we have no choice and would rather sit down.

I was stood next to one old guy that literally couldn't stand any longer and missed the last thirty minutes of the game because he had to sit down, and there were two kids in front of us that couldn't see a thing for nearly the whole match. I'm sure they weren't alone in that

I also had relatives at the game that asked why they had paid £25 for a seat and never got to use it.



I'm really not taking any side in this, as it's always a heated debate, just trying to think up something that suits both parties.

I would go further and Hibs should advertise a signing section in section B.

I would imagine front of B1 will be where Block 7 will go.

But even have a large section who want to stand and sing will avoid annoying other folk who don’t want to stand for 90 mins and families who want to sit etc

Maybe Kieran Power can take this back to the club??