What's the chances of fans going back in September?

[Monts]

I wonder if we will start to see a more strict take on the "no admittance if intoxicated" rule once fans start going back.

[Sir David Gray]

I think we just need to accept that we're going to have to do things in less than ideal ways at the moment. Much like a lot of other things.

I'll be the - locally sourced fyi :wink: - random volunteer to go to the game if you happen to be included in a trial for a Hibs game though. Always happy to help. :greengrin

I'm refusing to go in protest at the postcode discrimination. :wink:

[nonshinyfinish]

I'm refusing to go in protest at the postcode discrimination. :wink:

I'm picturing a one-man protest outside ER with a placard saying For FK's Sake

[660]

Hibs should just let away season ticket holders back first. Let the lesser fans wait tbqh

[EAZY-ME]

If you can go to the shops wearing a face mask then why not the football?

[Sir David Gray]

Maybe part of the test is to find out if folk can follow the rules.

Some of the rules seem quite sensible given the current circumstances so I don't oppose everything on the list but cheering, singing and shouting are all part and parcel of being a football fan.

The people who get picked to go could quite easily go there with the best of intentions but then one of their players gets a bad tackle and picks up a bad injury or their team could score a last minute winner and I'm afraid all bets are off with regards to no cheering or shouting.

Asking people to sanitise their hands, not to approach players or throw the ball back onto the pitch are the kinds of things that I agree are part of what we need to accept in the short term if we want to get fans back in to some capacity but no shouting or cheering is unreasonable and in my view unworkable.

[Nixweb]

I'm picturing a one-man protest outside ER with a placard saying For FK's SakeOh that is very good .. I will even stop lurking to congratulate you :)

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[Sir David Gray]

I'm picturing a one-man protest outside ER with a placard saying For FK's Sake

Good idea, I'll try and get that trending on Twitter.

[Moulin Yarns]

If you can go to the shops wearing a face mask then why not the football?

Do you sing or shout and swear at the shop assistant?


Maybe better not to answer that one. 😉

[Sir David Gray]

If you can go to the shops wearing a face mask then why not the football?

The football's outside, the government's own advice is that there is no benefit to wearing a face covering outside except in crowded situations. Sitting with 299 other people all spread out across a stand that holds thousands can't possibly be described as a crowded situation, I'll come into closer contact with people during my journey between leaving the front door of my house and getting into my car.

In saying that, I will wear one (when I'm actually allowed to) it just doesn't make any sense.

[SunshineOnLeith]

The football's outside, the government's own advice is that there is no benefit to wearing a face covering outside except in crowded situations. Sitting with 299 other people all spread out across a stand that holds thousands can't possibly be described as a crowded situation, I'll come into closer contact with people during my journey between leaving the front door of my house and getting into my car.

In saying that, I will wear one (when I'm actually allowed to) it just doesn't make any sense.

Isn't the whole point of a test event to prepare for when more people will be allowed in and it will be a crowded situation?

[ancient hibee]

Everything is so confused.At Ocean Terminal everyone wears a mask both inside the shops or on the concourse.Except,naturally the 50 or so folk sitting close together in the M and S cafe on the concourse.

[heretoday]

I don't want to go back in September.

[Sir David Gray]

Isn't the whole point of a test event to prepare for when more people will be allowed in and it will be a crowded situation?

I think the days of having genuine crowds back at football stadia are a long way off.

I can see this being the status quo for a while.

[Kato]

Everything is so confused.At Ocean Terminal everyone wears a mask both inside the shops or on the concourse.Except,naturally the 50 or so folk sitting close together in the M and S cafe on the concourse.

Have the tables not been spaced further apart? That's noticeable in most cafe's.

[green&left]

I think the days of having genuine crowds back at football stadia are a long way off.

I can see this being the status quo for a while.

It sounds absolutely pish tbf having read the plans that Aberdeen posted.

According to Taylor of BBC there will be no return to football with fans anytime soon even if the test events go well.

[G B Young]

I've not been able to find any details, any chance of a link mate?

'No singing, chanting or shouting, no admittance without a face mask and please remain in your allocated socially distanced seat'.

Sounds like fun.

[GreenCastle]

Everything is so confused.At Ocean Terminal everyone wears a mask both inside the shops or on the concourse.Except,naturally the 50 or so folk sitting close together in the M and S cafe on the concourse.

You can also go shopping at Ocean Terminal in shops which play music but restaurants aren’t allowed background music.

Also you can go and buy a take away coffee somewhere / shop inside (get help from an assistant ) but don’t have to leave details for track and trace. A shop worker could have it but you will never know.

[Sir David Gray]

I've not been able to find any details, any chance of a link mate?

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=19

[Steven79]

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=19I would rather watch it at home...

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[Keith_M]

Serious question here...


If you're already wearing a face mask, how is there any danger in shouting or singing?

Surely the face mask is preventing any air, or spit, from transmitting to somebody else and, AFAIK, you can't spread the disease through sound waves.

[G15 Hibs]

Serious question here...


If you're already wearing a face mask, how is there any danger in shouting or singing?

Surely the face mask is preventing any air, or spit, from transmitting to somebody else and, AFAIK, you can't spread the disease through sound waves.

I guess the arguments on this could be endless and I'm certainly no scientist. My feeling is that they want to be seen to be taking every precaution, rather than everything that they're doing/proposing having a practical reason.

[Peevemor]

Serious question here...


If you're already wearing a face mask, how is there any danger in shouting or singing?

Surely the face mask is preventing any air, or spit, from transmitting to somebody else and, AFAIK, you can't spread the disease through sound waves.

Because face masks aren't 100% efficient. You expel air quicker and further when you shout and/or sing, so the risk from any leaks, particularly around the edges of masks, is greater.

[Moulin Yarns]

Serious question here...


If you're already wearing a face mask, how is there any danger in shouting or singing?

Surely the face mask is preventing any air, or spit, from transmitting to somebody else and, AFAIK, you can't spread the disease through sound waves.

The face covers only reduce the spread of aerosols, they don't stop them totally.

[Keith_M]

Thanks for the replies.


:aok:

[Lee Marvin]

I'm now convinced I wont be in ER this season, never mind year.

Brutal.

[SquashedFrogg]

The face covers only reduce the spread of aerosols, they don't stop them totally.

Plenty of aerosols up in the East where I sit. And few who should certainly be wearing masks.

[18Craig75]

‘No shouting’ is ridiculous. All the coaching staff are shouting instructions all the time. Fans are outside and will be miles from the pitch and each other.

All the coaching staff are also being tested twice a week

[G15 Hibs]

I'm now convinced I wont be in ER this season, never mind year.

Brutal.

It certainly feels a lot further away than it did even a week ago

[jacomo]

I guess the arguments on this could be endless and I'm certainly no scientist. My feeling is that they want to be seen to be taking every precaution, rather than everything that they're doing/proposing having a practical reason.


You’re probably right, but such rules are deeply problematic and lead to a breakdown in trust.

[where'stheslope]

Boris yesterday was spouting about every fan to be tested and if negative then can be admitted to the stadium?
20,000 fans all to be tested so as they get permission to enter a stadium???
Wonder how long it will take at Man. Utd's Old Trafford?????

[G15 Hibs]

You’re probably right, but such rules are deeply problematic and lead to a breakdown in trust.

Oh absolutely. That's going to become an increasing difficulty for governments in the next few weeks as things get more restricted again.

[Phil MaGlass]

Boris yesterday was spouting about every fan to be tested and if negative then can be admitted to the stadium?
20,000 fans all to be tested so as they get permission to enter a stadium???
Wonder how long it will take at Man. Utd's Old Trafford?????

maybe talking about taking temperature before entering,

[danhibees1875]

maybe talking about taking temperature before entering,

He meant proper tests.

It was hypothetical and required better testing methods but it was the "best case if no vaccine" approach he seemed to be looking at. It applied for theatres and sporting events, you test everyone the day before and then let people who were negative in without need to social distance.

It was part of a wider rhetoric of getting to a place where people without the virus can live their lives normally.

[TheGog]

Playing devil's advocate here but what happens if your exempt from wearing a mask due to medical reasons?

I for one couldn't give a toss about wearing a mask id give a arm and leg to see hibs in the flesh

[ancient hibee]

Have the tables not been spaced further apart? That's noticeable in most cafe's.

Don’t seem to have been. I suppose they are in line with permanently open door to the car park.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Playing devil's advocate here but what happens if your exempt from wearing a mask due to medical reasons?

I for one couldn't give a toss about wearing a mask id give a arm and leg to see hibs in the flesh

If you are exempt from wearing mask then surely you have an underlying respiratory complaint in which circumstances you have to ask what the blazes are you doing out in the first place. (Yes I know mask are primarily for other peoples protection but they also provide a limited amount of prote tion to the user.)

[Bishop Hibee]

Looked hopeful for a time but no longer. A work colleague’s daughter in her early thirties tested positive with symptoms a couple of days ago. It’s on the up sadly.

[CockneyRebel]

I'm now convinced I wont be in ER this season, never mind year.

Brutal.


I've pretty much thought like that from early lockdown and there are still too many spikes and too many new cases for any global/national optimism. I truly wanted to be proved wrong and branded a paranoid fanny - I could live with that - but being 74 I might not survive a Covid infection so can't see me spectating this season.
IMO too many folk, gagging for live matches/venues, are prepared to risk more than it's worth and pressure on the UK and Scottish governments could lead to more folk being put in harm's way. I understand and sympathise with the economic and employment issues but this won't go away without EVERYONE following the guidelines/restrictions and, shamefully, I see a-holes defying this every single day.

[Just Alf]

I've pretty much thought like that from early lockdown and there are still too many spikes and too many new cases for any global/national optimism. I truly wanted to be proved wrong and branded a paranoid fanny - I could live with that - but being 74 I might not survive a Covid infection so can't see me spectating this season.
IMO too many folk, gagging for live matches/venues, are prepared to risk more than it's worth and pressure on the UK and Scottish governments could lead to more folk being put in harm's way. I understand and sympathise with the economic and employment issues but this won't go away without EVERYONE following the guidelines/restrictions and, shamefully, I see a-holes defying this every single day.I see too many folks, normally teenagers (not always tho) not wearing masks in shops. Maybe we need to get back to the early days of lockdown where only a few people at a time are allowed entry into shops etc, this time though just the non mask wearers, it would help protect everyone.

Let's be honest the majority are just selfish scrotes, they'd be quick to start mask wearing rather than standing in a queue, at that point the genuine non wearers would be able to walk in right away as by that time there'd be no queues. Hope that makes sense!

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[ancient hibee]

I’ve got a pal in the construction industry.He was saying that youngsters are fine and take security issues seriously
His difficulties are with know it all experienced people who won’t pay attention.Strangely enough the absentee rate is much higher with them also.
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[Ronniekirk]

So two pilot s still going ahead this weekend but any further ones will be agreed on a case by case basis


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[matty_f]

So two pilot s still going ahead this weekend but any further ones will be agreed on a case by case basis


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:agree: October at the earliest by the look of it now.

[Jones28]

If you can go to the shops wearing a face mask then why not the football?

Because you can watch football on TV.

[silverhibee]

If you are exempt from wearing mask then surely you have an underlying respiratory complaint in which circumstances you have to ask what the blazes are you doing out in the first place. (Yes I know mask are primarily for other peoples protection but they also provide a limited amount of prote tion to the user.)

Autistic people can be exempt from wearing masks.

[04Sauzee]

Will grass roots football be affected by the new max 6 people from 2 households meeting outside rule. Not with regards the kids but coaches? Will only 2 coaches be able to take a session? Just wondering if boys /girls football will be back in cold storage?

Edit.. Just found out there is an exception for organised sport

[Sir David Gray]

:agree: October at the earliest by the look of it now.

No chance of it even then in my opinion.

The temperature's only going to get colder over the coming months and we're all going to spend an increasing amount of time indoors which increases the risk of transmission.

[scoopyboy]

I had hoped that season ticket holders might have got the chance to attend the Scottish Cup semi against Hearts but that doesn't look likely now.

[SHODAN]

I had hoped that season ticket holders might have got the chance to attend the Scottish Cup semi against Hearts but that doesn't look likely now.

There's no way fans will be going to that game. A real shame.

[Sir David Gray]

I had hoped that season ticket holders might have got the chance to attend the Scottish Cup semi against Hearts but that doesn't look likely now.

Absolutely no danger.

[Lago]

I had hoped that season ticket holders might have got the chance to attend the Scottish Cup semi against Hearts but that doesn't look likely now.
Frankly cup competition for 2019/2020 should have been cancelled.

[Pretty Boy]

I really have no interest in going back to the football in an environment as described in the documents earlier in the thread. I'd rather watch in my house with a beer and the freedom to shout and cheer as much as I want; that's infinitely preferable to sitting in isolated silence in a stadium that is 98% empty. I'm sure plenty others will gladly take my place but until the football experience resembles what it should then it's a no from me.

I'm resigned to not seeing a game in the flesh this season. It's pretty crap and financially devastating as selling next years STs could be a very hard sell, especially when the economic reality of lockdown starts to bite, but it is what it is.

[Lago]

I really have no interest in going back to the football in an environment as described in the documents earlier in the thread. I'd rather watch in my house with a beer and the freedom to shout and cheer as much as I want; that's infinitely preferable to sitting in isolated silence in a stadium that is 98% empty. I'm sure plenty others will gladly take my place but until the football experience resembles what it should then it's a no from me.

I'm resigned to not seeing a game in the flesh this season. It's pretty crap and financially devastating as selling next years STs could be a very hard sell, especially when the economic reality of lockdown starts to bite, but it is what it is.
Couldn't agree more, trial games with no shouting, no singing and not allowed to stand up, depressing.

[Monts]

If theres no shouting allowed, maybe we could all get one of these?


https://www.unnecessaryinventions.com/megaphone-mask/

[JohnM1875]

So the return has been delayed until at least October 1st, but the proposed test events are still going ahead this weekend?

[hibbyfraelibby]

So the return has been delayed until at least October 1st, but the proposed test events are still going ahead this weekend?

New regs only come into force on Monday

[SHODAN]

Frankly cup competition for 2019/2020 should have been cancelled.

Absolutely not. A cup's a cup even if we win it behind closed doors. Also, it'd be just like Hibs to finally beat Hearts at Hampden with no one there. :rolleyes:

[lord bunberry]

Because you can watch football on TV.
You can shop online.

[Jones28]

You can shop online.

It's not comparable.

[lord bunberry]

It's not comparable.
In what way? Watching on tv allows you to see the game and shopping online allows you to buy what you want. Both aren’t the same as doing it in person.

[Sir David Gray]

Frankly cup competition for 2019/2020 should have been cancelled.

Yeah I don't see the point in playing the rest of this competition I'd have made it null and void once they decided to end the league season.

[Ronniekirk]

Yeah I don't see the point in playing the rest of this competition I'd have made it null and void once they decided to end the league season.

I think they were being optimistic and hoping fans at least some fans would be able to be present



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[Kato]

Absolutely not. A cup's a cup even if we win it behind closed doors. Also, it'd be just like Hibs to finally beat Hearts at Hampden with no one there. :rolleyes:

....and this time all the seats will be dressed as people.

[Kato]

Yeah I don't see the point in playing the rest of this competition I'd have made it null and void once they decided to end the league season.

It's only three matches. If the League had been made null and void then maybe.

[CockneyRebel]

Couldn't agree more, trial games with no shouting, no singing and not allowed to stand up, depressing.


And still dangerous - so why chance it to be there when it is such a flat experience anyway.

[K-Zazu]

Watching lens PSG game and it is packed with fans

[Ronniekirk]

Watching lens PSG game and it is packed with fans

Yet France had 10,000 positive cases in last 24 hours
Which confirms positive cases aren’t translating into a lot more deaths at present


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[ancient hibee]

Yet France had 10,000 positive cases in last 24 hours
Which confirms positive cases aren’t translating into a lot more deaths at present


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Deaths come 5/6 weeks after initial illness.

[Magpie]

When is this virus likely to disappear? At what stage do we just accept it for what it is and go back to removing restrictions in place and living life as if the virus has gone?

[Sir David Gray]

When is this virus likely to disappear? At what stage do we just accept it for what it is and go back to removing restrictions in place and living life as if the virus has gone?

Not for a long time unless we get a vaccine I'm afraid.

[.Sean.]

When is this virus likely to disappear? At what stage do we just accept it for what it is and go back to removing restrictions in place and living life as if the virus has gone?
Been saying this for weeks 👍🏼

[Gatecrasher]

When is this virus likely to disappear? At what stage do we just accept it for what it is and go back to removing restrictions in place and living life as if the virus has gone?

We still dont know what the long terms effects of this virus and need to be careful because we dont fully understand what we're dealing with.

[Jones28]

In what way? Watching on tv allows you to see the game and shopping online allows you to buy what you want. Both aren’t the same as doing it in person.

No they're not the same as doing it in person, but in the grand scheme of things one is a lot more important than the other.

[Jones28]

When is this virus likely to disappear? At what stage do we just accept it for what it is and go back to removing restrictions in place and living life as if the virus has gone?

I don't think it will disappear, surely if it was going to just die off it would have shown signs of doing it already. The fact we're still having clusters would suggest it is still about and will be until we kill it with a vaccine.

I'm happy not going to games until there is one, absolutely no judgement on those who feel differently but I think those who are gagging to get back will be disappointed.

[Brightside]

No they're not the same as doing it in person, but in the grand scheme of things one is a lot more important than the other.

Which one? :greengrin I've managed to almost avoid shops since the virus....and tbh I hardly used them before then. The world was already changing all thats happened is covid has pushed it along.

[Jones28]

Which one? :greengrin I've managed to almost avoid shops since the virus....and tbh I hardly used them before then. The world was already changing all thats happened is covid has pushed it along.

Need I explain? :greengrin

I would say you're the exception rather than the rule, for the majority of people shops are a twice weekly experience as a minimum. I tried to book a delivery slot at the height of the pandemic and was offered one in a months time. Have they caught up?

[Brightside]

Need I explain? :greengrin

I would say you're the exception rather than the rule, for the majority of people shops are a twice weekly experience as a minimum. I tried to book a delivery slot at the height of the pandemic and was offered one in a months time. Have they caught up?

Yes. My parents are late 70s and now do all shopping online. Going by the delivery trucks in my street its the norm.

[Jones28]

Yes. My parents are late 70s and now do all shopping online. Going by the delivery trucks in my street its the norm.

Thats good then, I'm not doubting it will change like you say, but I would say the majority still go to a shop.

[Callum_62]

When is this virus likely to disappear? At what stage do we just accept it for what it is and go back to removing restrictions in place and living life as if the virus has gone?Hopefully with a vaccine or at the very least when we understand a but better the effects it had and has on infected poeples bodies

Normal life as it was in 2019 shoukd be miles away imho

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[Keith_M]

Maybe somebody should change the thread title to January instead of September.


:wink:

[greenpaper55]

What if there is no vaccine ? this suppressing of the virus works for a wee while then it flares up again. Are we to sit cowering in our houses for ever watching jobs and society go down the tubes or do we take a chance on a full life with more people falling ill ? At some point that decision will have to be made and all the apps and social distancing etc is only putting off that day. Even if some day a vaccine is found to work there may be a quarter of society will not take the vaccine ! are the rest of society to stay at home to suit them ? No easy answer to it but the horns will have to be gripped someday.

[FilipinoHibs]

I don't think it will disappear, surely if it was going to just die off it would have shown signs of doing it already. The fact we're still having clusters would suggest it is still about and will be until we kill it with a vaccine.

I'm happy not going to games until there is one, absolutely no judgement on those who feel differently but I think those who are gagging to get back will be disappointed.

It took two years for the Spanish Flu to disappear through an involuntary herd immunity. There was mask wearing and social distancing but life went on as normal. 50 million plus people died worldwide. Probably about the same time for this one with partial vaccination and some herd immunity.

[Sir David Gray]

Maybe somebody should change the thread title to January instead of September.


:wink:

Which year...?

[The Baldmans Comb]

When is this virus likely to disappear? At what stage do we just accept it for what it is and go back to removing restrictions in place and living life as if the virus has gone?

To answer that question I think you would have to quantify the death level that you would deem to be acceptable.

This summer Scotland lost somewhere between 4,000 to 6,000 people and England lost between 45,000 to 65,000 depending if you use the official government stats or the other various measurements such as using excess deaths against 5 year averages which seems to be the gold standard as per Financial Times who have devoted so much resources to this.

At a stroke of a pen (if pens still exist) the Scottish or English goverments could bring both countries back to normal virtually overnight but would have to then justify the expected death rates via their predicted computer models.

Any 2nd wave should be less deadly as hospital treatment is better, care homes are better protected and there are now some helpful drugs that benefit patients.

Its an awful calculation to have to make but life isn't going to be the same ever again at least in the short term.

[Sylar]

Which year...?

Agree entirely. I just watched Neil Lennon whinging that it was taking so long to get fans back into stadia, citing the NFL game on Thursday night which had c.16000 fans inside the stadium. The problem with citing fans in stadia from a country that has out of control figures and people violating health guidance left, right and centre is that you look like a really stupid ****.

The Government have chosen two pretty easy games as the testing ground for fans in that both health boards/regions have low case numbers. There's not a chance there'll be any test events in the central belt until additional restrictions are removed and new cases start heading down again. And there's absolutely no chance fans will be back in football stadia at capacity this season.

[Eyrie]

For some perspective on Lennon's comments, Arrowhead has a capacity of 75k so it was about 20% full.

That would equate to just over 4k at Easter Road, which is easily manageable in terms of seating. The problems are all about how to get fans in and out of the stadium with the minimum of mixing and whether the rules necessary to achieve this are practicable. Today's small scale test events will provide some evidence which can then be used for larger trials (eg 10% capacity), although it sounds like we'll need to wait until October before these are even permitted, let alone organised.

[Keith_M]

Which year...?



:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

There will probably be more people in my local Morrison’s this afternoon, that at Ross County v Celtic

[18Craig75]

There will probably be more people in my local Morrison’s this afternoon, that at Ross County v Celtic

And will all those in Morrisson’s be:

1. Potentially heading to the same pubs before and after their shop?
2. Entering through turnstiles?
3. Finding an unfamiliar spot in the store and sitting stationary for 90 minutes.
4. Be fighting against natural urges to Sing/Chant/throw abuse at the groceries
5. Going for a pee midway through their shop
6. All going and leaving at the same time?
7. Potentially using the same busses to get there and leave, at the same time?

If so then it’s a valid comparison I guess.

[Sir David Gray]

And will all those in Morrisson’s be:

1. Potentially heading to the same pubs before and after their shop?
2. Entering through turnstiles?
3. Finding an unfamiliar spot in the store and sitting stationary for 90 minutes.
4. Be fighting against natural urges to Sing/Chant/throw abuse at the groceries
5. Going for a pee midway through their shop
6. All going and leaving at the same time?
7. Potentially using the same busses to get there and leave, at the same time?

If so then it’s a valid comparison I guess.

I bet there's less social distancing in Morrisons than there will be at the two games today and no requirement to get your temperature checked before you enter the store either.

You will also likely be touching items that other shoppers have decided to put back on the shelves and using the same checkouts that countless other people have used before you that day as well.

It's also inside which makes it a higher risk setting than an outdoor venue such as a football stadium.

[Robbo6-2]

I bet there's less social distancing in Morrisons than there will be at the two games today and no requirement to get your temperature checked before you enter the store either.

You will also likely be touching items that other shoppers have decided to put back on the shelves and using the same checkouts that countless other people have used before you that day as well.

It's also inside which makes it a higher risk setting than an outdoor venue such as a football stadium.

Totally agree with this, people like Craig have been brain washed into fear and control from the government.

[18Craig75]

I bet there's less social distancing in Morrisons than there will be at the two games today and no requirement to get your temperature checked before you enter the store either.

You will also likely be touching items that other shoppers have decided to put back on the shelves and using the same checkouts that countless other people have used before you that day as well.

It's also inside which makes it a higher risk setting than an outdoor venue such as a football stadium.

It’s also essential for people to be able to buy food etc; it’s not essential for fans to attend football matches right now; no matter how passionate fans and people within football are about the subject.

In the cold light of day the government are being cautious about what new sections of society open up in order to protect the essentials which have already been opened up; schools, shops etc.

I’m as keen as anyone to get back to the games but it’s not as black and white as a lot are making it out. Inside the stadium when everyone is in their seat is the easy part!

[18Craig75]

Totally agree with this, people like Craig have been brain washed into fear and control from the government.

Brainwashed 😂 realistic and pragmatic I prefer to call it.

[Moulin Yarns]

There will probably be more people in my local Morrison’s this afternoon, that at Ross County v Celtic

But they won't be in close enough contact for 15 minutes or more.

[Billy Whizz]

And will all those in Morrisson’s be:

1. Potentially heading to the same pubs before and after their shop?
2. Entering through turnstiles?
3. Finding an unfamiliar spot in the store and sitting stationary for 90 minutes.
4. Be fighting against natural urges to Sing/Chant/throw abuse at the groceries
5. Going for a pee midway through their shop
6. All going and leaving at the same time?
7. Potentially using the same busses to get there and leave, at the same time?

If so then it’s a valid comparison I guess.

You obviously haven’t been in Morrison’s etc recently
Social distancing out the window, pickers for delivery brushing past you in very aisle
Public crossing into each other when entering and existing the store
Must be around a min of 300/400 in a store at one time, much less space than a football stadium

[Sir David Gray]

It’s also essential for people to be able to buy food etc; it’s not essential for fans to attend football matches right now; no matter how passionate fans and people within football are about the subject.

In the cold light of day the government are being cautious about what new sections of society open up in order to protect the essentials which have already been opened up; schools, shops etc.

I’m as keen as anyone to get back to the games but it’s not as black and white as a lot are making it out. Inside the stadium when everyone is in their seat is the easy part!

I didn't question how essential eating was over attending a game of football, I simply gave a response to your list of points which outlined the dangers of attending a game of football in comparison with going to get your shopping.

[18Craig75]

I didn't question how essential eating was over attending a game of football, I simply gave a response to your list of points which outlined the dangers of attending a game of football in comparison with going to get your shopping.

You misunderstood my post then; I wasn’t highlighting dangers of attending football - I was pointing out the protocols and areas that are being tested during the test events, hence the low numbers. The purpose of these games isn’t for 300 people to see a match; it’s to make sure the protocols that have been implemented are robust and workable for when larger numbers are going to games.

[EI255]

Sounds like quite a crowd at Brum v Brentford. Brum just scored and that wasn't Sky Crowd noise. Instant screams!

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[marinello59]

300 Ross County fans don’t want to see us back in grounds at all now. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

300 Ross County fans don’t want to see us back in grounds at all now. :greengrin

The commentary on the radio said that they were clapping which was against the guidelines. I assume they mistook clapping for trying to keep the circulation going.

[Billy Whizz]

Noticed on Sportscene, that home fans were housed in stands opposite the dug outs. Suggests that if we get a trial game, we’ll all be in the East

[H18 SFR]

Any analysis of whether it was a success or not yet?

Did the FM mention the likelihood of more trials next week?

[Sir David Gray]

Any analysis of whether it was a success or not yet?

Did the FM mention the likelihood of more trials next week?

I've not heard how yesterday went yet. She said that further test events would be judged on a case by case basis but put no timescale on it.

[danhibees1875]

Any analysis of whether it was a success or not yet?

Did the FM mention the likelihood of more trials next week?

I'm not really sure what these test events are trying to achieve and how they'd be classes as successful?

I guess if everyone played by the rules then that counts as successful if the test is merely to determine if football fans can actually be trusted. But in terms of a pathway to normality and establishing what dangers there could be to people then it seems quite limited. :dunno:

Unless someone at the game tests positive soon and they can then trace how many of the other 299 attendees become positive and where they were seated compared to the first person.

[Andy74]

I'm not really sure what these test events are trying to achieve and how they'd be classes as successful?

I guess if everyone played by the rules then that counts as successful if the test is merely to determine if football fans can actually be trusted. But in terms of a pathway to normality and establishing what dangers there could be to people then it seems quite limited. :dunno:

Unless someone at the game tests positive soon and they can then trace how many of the other 299 attendees become positive and where they were seated compared to the first person.

I think it’s more about the logistics than any follow up on cases.

As you say though getting such a small number of people in a stadium tells you basically nothing.

[Billy Whizz]

Any analysis of whether it was a success or not yet?

Did the FM mention the likelihood of more trials next week?

Have these not been put back until October, maybe someone can correct me or not

[Sir David Gray]

Have these not been put back until October, maybe someone can correct me or not

I think there's a distinction being made between a more regular return of audiences to sports events and music concerts etc and these test events.

The former has been pushed back until at least 5th October but the latter could potentially be trialled again before then and they will be judged on a case by case basis.

[H18 SFR]

https://sgsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/SG02-Planning-for-Social-Distancing-at-Sports-Grounds.pdf

Interesting read if you have a good wee while.

[The dalmeny]

Totally agree with this, people like Craig have been brain washed into fear and control from the government.

like everything there’s a happy medium but comments like this rip my knitting

[04Sauzee]

David Cormack tweets again

Football has implemented the most stringent of precautions at huge cost. We could’ve ensured safety of 3,000 yesterday. Chartered Jet to Stavanger cost us double to ensure socially distancing, yet BA flights to London are packed. Trusting @scotgov allows more fans and more tests!

[Centre Hawf]

Totally agree with this, people like Craig have been brain washed into fear and control from the government.

There are some legitimate points to be made about the safety of sitting at a football match versus going round a supermarket. But when people come out with stuff like this it devalues that discussion greatly.

[Andy74]

David Cormack tweets again

Football has implemented the most stringent of precautions at huge cost. We could’ve ensured safety of 3,000 yesterday. Chartered Jet to Stavanger cost us double to ensure socially distancing, yet BA flights to London are packed. Trusting @scotgov allows more fans and more tests!

He’s spot on.

[K-Zazu]

Thousands of fans at the PSG game

[04Sauzee]

Hansa Rostock had a good number lf fans at their game yesterday, all in full voice

https://twitter.com/HansaRostock/status/1305137443499368448?s=19

[marinello59]

David Cormack tweets again

Football has implemented the most stringent of precautions at huge cost. We could’ve ensured safety of 3,000 yesterday. Chartered Jet to Stavanger cost us double to ensure socially distancing, yet BA flights to London are packed. Trusting @scotgov allows more fans and more tests!

First time I’ve agreed with anything he has come out with.

[H18 SFR]

First time I’ve agreed with anything he has come out with.

Hopefully the start of Football standing up to the authorities a bit.

[PaulSmith]

Hansa Rostock had a good number lf fans at their game yesterday, all in full voice

https://twitter.com/HansaRostock/status/1305137443499368448?s=19

Beautiful.

Pity in Scotland it will be months until we see such a return to something like this.

Follow the Scientist that best suits the politics seems to be the order of the day.


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[Keith_M]

Hansa Rostock had a good number lf fans at their game yesterday, all in full voice

https://twitter.com/HansaRostock/status/1305137443499368448?s=19


What was the attendance?

[04Sauzee]

What was the attendance?

From what i can see from their twitter feed and on line it looks like the attendance was given as 7500

https://twitter.com/ManuelaSchwesig/status/1305139911545233412?s=19

[04Sauzee]

📝 Update | Despite Saturday’s successful trial event at Pittodrie, SPFL clubs have been informed that there will not be any trial events at Scottish Premiership matches this weekend.

#StandFree

[Magpie]

EFL have given clubs the go ahead to run pilot events this weekend with up to 1,000 spectators allowed in attendance.

[Keith_M]

From what i can see from their twitter feed and on line it looks like the attendance was given as 7500

https://twitter.com/ManuelaSchwesig/status/1305139911545233412?s=19



:aok:

[St Pauli Hibee]

Hansa Rostock had a good number lf fans at their game yesterday, all in full voice

https://twitter.com/HansaRostock/status/1305137443499368448?s=19


10,053 fans at Dynamo Dresden V Hamburg in the German Cup last night aswell, again all in full voice

[04Sauzee]

Celtic not providing a PPV service for Livi fans from Celtic Park this weekend

[oneone73]

Celtic not providing a PPV service for Livi fans from Celtic Park this weekend

Why not, I wonder?

[Sir David Gray]

Why not, I wonder?

Probably because the alternative in their minds would be to charge people about £30 to avoid season ticket holders being out of pocket.

I wonder if their last home match was made available?

[Billy Whizz]

We’re at Parkhead a week on Sunday, hope it’s available for Hibs fans

[Sir David Gray]

We’re at Parkhead a week on Sunday, hope it’s available for Hibs fans

They don't offer their home games for PPV.

You need to either be a season ticket holder or a Celtic TV subscriber living outside the UK and ROI to watch their home games unless they're on Sky.

[Keith_M]

10,053 fans at Dynamo Dresden V Hamburg in the German Cup last night aswell, again all in full voice


That's one-third of the capacity. Seems a lot to allow in.

Though the Covid figures in Sachsen are quite low.

[marinello59]

No test events this weekend, looks like the boxes have been ticked and we won’t be going back any time soon.

https://twitter.com/aberdeenfc/status/1305793924582211584?s=21

[Sir David Gray]

No test events this weekend, looks like the boxes have been ticked and we won’t be going back any time soon.

https://twitter.com/aberdeenfc/status/1305793924582211584?s=21

I saw that earlier that's a pity.

[H18 SFR]

Population: 5.454 million (2019)
Currently in hospital: 50+/-

Get the stadiums open.

[PaulSmith]

No test events this weekend, looks like the boxes have been ticked and we won’t be going back any time soon.

https://twitter.com/aberdeenfc/status/1305793924582211584?s=21

Depressingly so, I guess we’ll all need to just sit back and watch thousands at other games all across Western Europe and wonder why the deadly disease picks on us poor Scots.


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[Robbo6-2]

Depressingly so, I guess we’ll all need to just sit back and watch thousands at other games all across Western Europe and wonder why the deadly disease picks on us poor Scots.


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It's fine just go to an indoor pub or Gym instead.

Absolute nonsense this, it's about time the leaders of our game call out the government on this one.

The chief executive of the English Premiership came out last week to criticise the uk government. Doncaster needs to do the same

[H18 SFR]

It's fine just go to an indoor pub or Gym instead.

Absolute nonsense this, it's about time the leaders of our game call out the government on this one.

The chief executive of the English Premiership came out last week to criticise the uk government. Doncaster needs to do the same

100% agree.

[PaulSmith]

It's fine just go to an indoor pub or Gym instead.

Absolute nonsense this, it's about time the leaders of our game call out the government on this one.

The chief executive of the English Premiership came out last week to criticise the uk government. Doncaster needs to do the same

The problem is that we don’t have anyone brave enough to put their head above the parapet and challenge the Scot Govt. We’ve been given our yellow card and put well and truly back in our box.

It will take more public pressure and questioning of the measures being imposed to get us back into the games


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[Eyrie]

They don't offer their home games for PPV.

You need to either be a season ticket holder or a Celtic TV subscriber living outside the UK and ROI to watch their home games unless they're on Sky.

Don't think it's on Sky so we won't see it.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Quite astonished that despite it all the penny is still not dropping on this virus.
Is The only way for folks to snap out of complacency is for a second wave to jolt folks into a reality check?

[Sir David Gray]

Don't think it's on Sky so we won't see it.

Correct it's not on Sky, we won't see it unless there's a u-turn from Celtic.

[Inconsequential]

Quite astonished that despite it all the penny is still not dropping on this virus.
Is The only way for folks to snap out of complacency is for a second wave to jolt folks into a reality check? Exactly! If a lot of people don't wise up that's what will likely happen. But... but it's the Govt.... blah blah. I won't be going near a football stadium, a gym or a pub for a long time. The possibility of catching the virus is bad enough but what about passing it on to someone else that loses their life? 'A' is avoid crowded areas... FACTS.

[B.H.F.C]

Exactly! If a lot of people don't wise up that's what will likely happen. But... but it's the Govt.... blah blah. I won't be going near a football stadium, a gym or a pub for a long time. The possibility of catching the virus is bad enough but what about passing it on to someone else? 'A' is avoid crowded areas... FACTS.

I have been in a gym and a number of pubs. None of them have been crowded.

I think I have more chance of catching it going to work or dropping the bairn off at school which is, undoubtedly, the most crowded place I’ve been.

[Inconsequential]

I have been in a gym and a number of pubs. None of them have been crowded.

I think I have more chance of catching it going to work or dropping the bairn off at school which is, undoubtedly, the most crowded place I’ve been. Maybe most of the regulars are avoiding their local and their gym and thinking of others. I left school many years ago so fortunately don't go there.

[B.H.F.C]

Maybe most of the regulars are avoiding their local and their gym and thinking of others. I left school many years ago so fortunately don't go there.

Nope, it’s definitely not because of that.

A lot of places are full to capacity, it’s just that their capacity is reduced to allow them to operate safely which most places manage to do. Maybe football could try that one day....

[K-Zazu]

Population: 5.454 million (2019)
Currently in hospital: 50+/-

Get the stadiums open.

So why aren’t they opening the stadiums?

[FilipinoHibs]

Not looking good for teams outside the top league in each country:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/15/efl-enters-critical-48-hours-in-push-to-get-crowds-and-avoid-financial-disaster-fans?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Not looking good for teams outside the top league in each country:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/15/efl-enters-critical-48-hours-in-push-to-get-crowds-and-avoid-financial-disaster-fans?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Are we on the cusp of a massive correction on income/expenditure in EPL? Probably not but I find it absolutely disgusting that despite the BILLIONS sloshing around EPL they still say they are reliant on punters coming through the gates - why is that? Scottish clubs must be spewing at the disparity.
I see this as posturing to protect business - football as a spectacle needs fans tv as a package needs fans. Scant regard for their well being or the greater good of our most vulnerable. This will become a freedom debate - those that are healthy enough if they catch it demanding to circulate but at a time when they could just spread it easily.

Let me leave you to ponder the words of Dave Snowden (Cynefin/complexity man) who at the start of the pandemic said that at that time the mutation rates of the virus was similar to that of a biological weapon. Wouldnt it be madness to put large concentrations of people into stadia when things are on the increase?

[nonshinyfinish]

Are we on the cusp of a massive correction on income/expenditure in EPL? Probably not but I find it absolutely disgusting that despite the BILLIONS sloshing around EPL they still say they are reliant on punters coming through the gates - why is that?

The article is about the EFL, not the EPL. Obviously the Championship in particular is still a fairly rich league, but it's not on the same scale as the Premier League. So it's hardly surprising that season tickets and gate receipts represent a significant chunk of revenue, especially for League One and Two clubs.

[Ronniekirk]

[emoji404] Update | Despite Saturday’s successful trial event at Pittodrie, SPFL clubs have been informed that there will not be any trial events at Scottish Premiership matches this weekend.

#StandFree

We should be building on the success of the pilots week in week out even if just gradually
We are now down to 48 people in Hospital from 262 given change in reporting criteria
So let’s crack on Anyone I know with it now has loss of smell and tiredness



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[Ronniekirk]

We’re at Parkhead a week on Sunday, hope it’s available for Hibs fans

But not at 30 quid


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[where'stheslope]

The blame game on covid moves from government to SPFL/SFA all the time, yet its the SPFL/SFA who say other than the Scottish Premiership all other leagues do not need to test for covid???
Yet down the line Premiership sides will meet lower league sides in cups, what happens then????
If we are finding covid cases in our league through testing, it could be rife in the lower leagues undetected!!!!

[Ronniekirk]

It's fine just go to an indoor pub or Gym instead.

Absolute nonsense this, it's about time the leaders of our game call out the government on this one.

The chief executive of the English Premiership came out last week to criticise the uk government. Doncaster needs to do the same

Where s Ann Budge when she is needed Nothing in it fir Hearts just now so she isn’t interested in the greater good of Football after all


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[Ronniekirk]

Quite astonished that despite it all the penny is still not dropping on this virus.
Is The only way for folks to snap out of complacency is for a second wave to jolt folks into a reality check?

The problem now is a second wave has been threatened and it’s never materialised
Nicola always said it will be spikes and outbreaks we will need to manage and that’s what’s happening
Young people have seen they are not going to get seriously ill and just want to get on with Thier lives If they do that and stay away from people who were Shielding deaths will remain low
Despite all the increased cases hospital admissions are now down to 48
There comes a point where virus fatigue sets in and people see what’s actually going on and make choices fir themselves
Wash hands gell and stay two metres apart at present is all that’s needed and avoid crowded places



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[Andy74]

Maybe most of the regulars are avoiding their local and their gym and thinking of others. I left school many years ago so fortunately don't go there.

Thinking of others includes what happens if we all stay home all of the time.

None of the things we need and the people to provide it would be left.

We need to get back, safely, to doing the things we used to do.

[PatHead]

The problem now is a second wave has been threatened and it’s never materialised
Nicola always said it will be spikes and outbreaks we will need to manage and that’s what’s happening
Young people have seen they are not going to get seriously ill and just want to get on with Thier lives If they do that and stay away from people who were Shielding deaths will remain low
Despite all the increased cases hospital admissions are now down to 48
There comes a point where virus fatigue sets in and people see what’s actually going on and make choices fir themselves
Wash hands gell and stay two metres apart at present is all that’s needed and avoid crowded places



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Wish it was as simple as your last paragraph.

Based on my experiences on the bus lately a lot of people don't wear masks. Mainly people in their 20s and 30s. They won't suddenly start wearing masks and if they do it will be to avoid being identified with the smoke bombs. An opportunity that could not be missed.

Also the amount of fans on public transport increases the risk.

I noticed the SFA and SPFL are pushing the government to have fans in for the next old firm game. If they do that will be the end of any trials. Supporters will gather outside the ground if they don't have a ticket and we'll all be tarred with the same brush just like drinks in grounds.

[bingo70]

Thinking of others includes what happens if we all stay home all of the time.

None of the things we need and the people to provide it would be left.

We need to get back, safely, to doing the things we used to do.

Agreed.

Staying indoors all the time on our own until this virus disappears isn’t practical.

Open stadiums with restrictions of sorts, we can’t just pretend hiding in our houses until this blows over is the answer. There needs to be an element of learning to live with the virus, people will die of it unfortunately but as horrible as it is to say it people die if things every day, we can’t protect everyone from everything all the time.

Wear masks, plenty hand cleaning stations, make adjustments to the stadiums where possible, maybe even stop away fans for the time being and make it season ticket holder only......

Hiding indoors away from it isn’t a realistic or practical long term solution IMO.

[Peevemor]

Agreed.

Staying indoors all the time on our own until this virus disappears isn’t practical.

Open stadiums with restrictions of sorts, we can’t just pretend hiding in our houses until this blows over is the answer. There needs to be an element of learning to live with the virus, people will die of it unfortunately but as horrible as it is to say it people die if things every day, we can’t protect everyone from everything all the time.

Wear masks, plenty hand cleaning stations, make adjustments to the stadiums where possible, maybe even stop away fans for the time being and make it season ticket holder only......

Hiding indoors away from it isn’t a realistic or practical long term solution IMO.

The problem is that nobody knows what turn things might take.

It's expected that hospitalisations will increase when the weather turns colder, but by how much - 10%? 500?

There also seems to be people that are super-infectious, where a high percentage of those present at a specific event have caught the virus. What happens if cases like this increase?

It could well be that we're over reacting and that we're already slowly getting back to normal, but we can't be sure.

[Chorley Hibee]

Wish it was as simple as your last paragraph.

Based on my experiences on the bus lately a lot of people don't wear masks. Mainly people in their 20s and 30s. They won't suddenly start wearing masks and if they do it will be to avoid being identified with the smoke bombs. An opportunity that could not be missed.

Also the amount of fans on public transport increases the risk.

I noticed the SFA and SPFL are pushing the government to have fans in for the next old firm game. If they do that will be the end of any trials. Supporters will gather outside the ground if they don't have a ticket and we'll all be tarred with the same brush just like drinks in grounds.

Are they pushing for any other game to include supporters or just that one?

They couldn't give a **** about anyone else as usual.

[PatHead]

Are they pushing for any other game to include supporters or just that one?

They couldn't give a **** about anyone else as usual.

It was in the BBC Scottish gossip.You are right, only two clubs they care about

[Inconsequential]

Today I read Leanne Dempster has emphasised the importance of FACTS and urges fans to follow the recommendations. She believes this will SPEED up the process in getting supporters back. So there you have it from the Hibernian chief executive. Persevere.

I'm sure FACTS has already been mentioned on this thread.

[B.H.F.C]

Today I read Leanne Dempster has emphasised the importance of FACTS and urges fans to follow the recommendations. She believes this will SPEED up the process in getting supporters back. So there you have it from the Hibernian chief executive. Persevere.

I'm sure FACTS has already been mentioned on this thread.

There we have what? You know this is the same Leeann Dempster who had wanted to have fans inside Easter Road this Sunday?

[Inconsequential]

There we have what? You know this is the same Leeann Dempster who had wanted to have fans inside Easter Road this Sunday? For god's sake man just stick to the FACTS. I've only read what she said today. You would need to discuss what she has previously said with Miss Dempster.

[B.H.F.C]

For god's sake man just stick to the FACTS. I've only read what she said today. You would need to discuss what she has previously said with Miss Dempster.

Erm, I do try to do that, thanks very much. Would also be perfectly possible to do so at Easter Road. Just as it is in parks, shops, pubs, at work and so on.

[Inconsequential]

Erm, I do try to do that, thanks very much. Would also be perfectly possible to do so at Easter Road. Just as it is in parks, shops, pubs, at work and so on. Blah, blah.

[B.H.F.C]

Blah, blah.

Pretty pathetic response that tbh.

Try adding something constructive to the debate, especially when challenged on the generalisations you’ve made, rather than respond with sarcastic nonsense like that perhaps?

[Inconsequential]

Pretty pathetic response that tbh.

Try adding something constructive to the debate, especially when challenged on the generalisations you’ve made, rather than respond with sarcastic nonsense like that perhaps? Stick to FACTS. Thank you. Good Evening.

[B.H.F.C]

Stick to FACTS. Thank you. Good Evening.

Bit ironic, given some of your comments on the subject to be fair.

[Sir David Gray]

Stick to FACTS. Thank you. Good Evening.

I've read your posts on this thread a couple of times now and I'm still unclear what your point is.

Are you saying that attending a football match in limited numbers contradicts the FACTS advice? If so would you mind explaining that to me please as I don't know that it does?

F - Face coverings in enclosed spaces - Not a problem at a vastly reduced capacity football stadium although I understand wearing one was a requirement last weekend at the test events.

A - Avoid crowded places - Again not a problem in such an empty stadium.

C - Clean your hands and hard surfaces regularly - Hand sanitiser will be readily available at stadia for fans to use and I'm sure clubs will clean the premises regularly.

T - Two metre distancing - Again like "F" and "A" this won't be a problem with such a reduced capacity.

S - Self isolate and book a test if you develop symptoms - That goes for anyone in the country at the moment.

Perhaps I'm missing something though.

[Billy Whizz]

Saw this on the Newsnow football feed
Must admit I had read it twice
It’s a TV game, surprised Hibs haven’t looked at this


https://www.falkirkfc.co.uk/2020/09/17/return-of-curry-club/

[04Sauzee]

🇩🇪

The German Football League (DFL) will allow 20% of capacity to be allowed in. However, if a 7-day infection rate in a home city is above 35 per 100,000, a game must be played without spectators in attendance https://t.co/aA1798I28c

[04Sauzee]

A very short video with Ron on Sky giving an update

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1306929463196815360?s=19

[Sir David Gray]

Absolutely no danger of fans returning on 5th October either based on today's briefing.

[marinello59]

Absolutely no danger of fans returning on 5th October either based on today's briefing.

It won’t be happening this year. There is no desire at all from the Scottish Government to see fans back in the stadiums.

[Sir David Gray]

It won’t be happening this year. There is no desire at all from the Scottish Government to see fans back in the stadiums.

Correct.

[CockneyRebel]

A very short video with Ron on Sky giving an update

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1306929463196815360?s=19



All standing close together and not a mask in sight - what an example to set!! Do they not have one bit of PR savvy between the lot of them?

[lyonhibs]

All standing close together and not a mask in sight - what an example to set!! Do they not have one bit of PR savvy between the lot of them?


Not sure if you're serious with this or not. It's just Ron Gordon on screen by himself?

[Sir David Gray]

Not sure if you're serious with this or not. It's just Ron Gordon on screen by himself?

I think it might be a bit tongue in cheek and a reference to the mannequins behind him in the cabinet.

[Peevemor]

Not sure if you're serious with this or not. It's just Ron Gordon on screen by himself?I think he's speaking about the "people" in Hibs tops standing behind Ron... [emoji848]

[WhileTheChief..]

A very short video with Ron on Sky giving an update

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1306929463196815360?s=19

Thanks for sharing.

Any idea where we can watch the whole thing?

[erin go bragh]

1000 fans at Blackpool’s game yesterday. Singing and not a mask in sight . Just watched the report on this mornings news .

[theonlywayisup]

1000 fans at Blackpool’s game yesterday. Singing and not a mask in sight . Just watched the report on this mornings news .

Lancashire about to go into lockdown on Tuesday, although it doesn't include Blackpool for some reason. It will be interesting to see how much the virus spread from those at the game and the pre/post match pubs.

[Ronniekirk]

1000 fans at Blackpool’s game yesterday. Singing and not a mask in sight . Just watched the report on this mornings news .

Interesting as Blackpool is one of few areas in that neck of the woods that hasn’t been put under some form of tighter lockdown
Rich and Powerful Owners of Premiership Clubs will be ramping up the pressure for fans to return so with clear evidence emerging down south that deaths are now slowly creeping back up the way and hospital admissions on the rise Will Boris allow elite football to continue with increased crowds or will he put a pause on this
Given he is all over the place and gives out mixed messages it’s hard to second guess him


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[Robbo6-2]

If anyone has been in town recently on a Saturday night it genuinely amazes me that pubs are allowed to open and we cant go to the football.

The meadows stowed, St Andrews square, top of waverly station, princess street all busy, no different to walking to the ground.

Was in Brewhima (old city night club) must of been at least 200 folk indoors.

Why are the clubs just accepting this. Yet pubs owners, unions etc all speak up.

It's a two fold thing, the clubs are missing out on match day income and fans are too. Football is a major part in people's life. I for one miss the social side of going to a football match, seeing family and friends, walking to the ground,giving the nod to fellow season ticket holders the buildup the match itself. It's not the same watching on tv

[Billy Whizz]

It’s not long until Scottish Cup semi final decision time for fans getting in
As it stands I’m convinced we’ll not be in the stands, but a little bit of me hopes some of us will be

[Eyrie]

Very odd watching the rugby from France yesterday.

Both games had a limited number of fans allowed in the stadium but the fans were all in one stand with little attempt to space them out (unlike the recent game at Murrayfield) and the other stands were empty.

Even less social distancing on some of the climbs in Le Tour.

The outcome of the above has to be considered by Sturgeon when deciding if we're allowed back. If French cases rise, then we'll have to wait and if they don't then she has no reason to prevent limited numbers of fans attending providing we're spaced apart.

[GreenCastle]

It’s not long until Scottish Cup semi final decision time for fans getting in
As it stands I’m convinced we’ll not be in the stands, but a little bit of me hopes some of us will be

I can slightly understand it in smaller stadia but a 50,000 seater stadium.

Surely they can allow some fans in - even 1000 each would help the atmosphere / occasion.

Spread them out - loads of space.

I don't think they will want the hassle or the cost to steward it but as others have said about pubs and supermarkets or flights it doesn't make much sense.

I think it was an MLS game last night there was quite a few fans behind the goals too.

Easter Road could easily work to host fans - even 2 households per row in a section would save any people pushing past etc. But it seems they just won't explore the option.

[Keith_M]

Very odd watching the rugby from France yesterday.

Both games had a limited number of fans allowed in the stadium but the fans were all in one stand with little attempt to space them out (unlike the recent game at Murrayfield) and the other stands were empty.

Even less social distancing on some of the climbs in Le Tour.

The outcome of the above has to be considered by Sturgeon when deciding if we're allowed back. If French cases rise, then we'll have to wait and if they don't then she has no reason to prevent limited numbers of fans attending providing we're spaced apart.



The trouble with that is that French cases are already really high, so it's going to be hard to tell where they spread.

I doubt very much as well that the SG would allow any positive signs elsewhere to influence their decision. I think they've pretty much made their mind up that having crowds at sporting events is very low in their list of priorities, hence the cancellation of all further test events.


I'm not saying I agree or disagree with their PoV, just an observation.

[Sir David Gray]

It’s not long until Scottish Cup semi final decision time for fans getting in
As it stands I’m convinced we’ll not be in the stands, but a little bit of me hopes some of us will be

Unfortunately there's not a chance of fans being at the game in my opinion.

We're about to go back into a stricter set of restrictions within the next few days, I can't see how we'll go from that to allowing football fans into grounds (particularly for such a highly charged one like a Scottish Cup semi final derby) within the space of 6 weeks.

Also the return of crowds that were planned over the next few weeks would have been home fans only. Obviously for this game we would need to allow fans from both sides into the stadium which would immediately make it much higher risk.

I just don't see any way that we'll be playing this match in front of a crowd, sadly.

[marinello59]

I can't believe how emotional I feel seeing the empty stands at ER on Sky just now. I really miss it.

[murray26]

10 thousand at the Dortmund game yesterday.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think Blackpool will be next to have lockdown restrictions in the coming days.

[marinello59]

I think Blackpool will be next to have lockdown restrictions in the coming days.

The town or just you?

[G B Young]

Unfortunately there's not a chance of fans being at the game in my opinion.

We're about to go back into a stricter set of restrictions within the next few days, I can't see how we'll go from that to allowing football fans into grounds (particularly for such a highly charged one like a Scottish Cup semi final derby) within the space of 6 weeks.

Also the return of crowds that were planned over the next few weeks would have been home fans only. Obviously for this game we would need to allow fans from both sides into the stadium which would immediately make it much higher risk.

I just don't see any way that we'll be playing this match in front of a crowd, sadly.

Agreed. It's a gloomy outlook I know but with the tighter restrictions you mention about to be imposed and a likely surge in infections throughout the winter I suspect it'll be next spring before we see any sort of significant crowds at Scottish games.

[Billy Whizz]

The town or just you?

Hopefully both😜

[SideBurns]

I can't believe how emotional I feel seeing the empty stands at ER on Sky just now. I really miss it.

Me too. It's not just being in the ground - it's the sense of expectation as you turn into Albion Road with fans converging from the higher and lower parts of Easter Road and the stands appear before you; I haven't always enjoyed watching Hibs (didn't last season, tbh) but that feeling has never left me.

[blackpoolhibs]

The town or just you?

😂😂

[Colr]

It’s not long until Scottish Cup semi final decision time for fans getting in
As it stands I’m convinced we’ll not be in the stands, but a little bit of me hopes some of us will be

Is there a date for the cup semi-final?

I don’t see much about Hearts these days. What state is their squad in?

[Sir David Gray]

Is there a date for the cup semi-final?

I don’t see much about Hearts these days. What state is their squad in?

They're being played 31st October and 1st November.

[Colr]

10 thousand at the Dortmund game yesterday.

Germany isn’t cursed with a ****, toff government

[Billy Whizz]

They're being played 31st October and 1st November.

The Thursday before is a Europa League group stage, match day 2, so probably waiting to see if Celtic will be playing that day, although they could easily plan for them to play on the Sunday

[TheGog]

Today would have been a cracker to be at Easter Road a right fiesty one with spewing huns.

It's hurting a little not smelling the fresh cut grass of home

[Jamesie]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54232346

This “six months chat” means it’s getting to the stage now where I doubt if we’ll see fans at any games this season, let alone this year. I wonder what impact that will have on:

- football clubs generally as a going concern
- the commencement of leagues below the SPL
- assuming most clubs can carry on, season ticket sales for 2021/22.

[marinello59]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54232346

This “six months chat” means it’s getting to the stage now where I doubt if we’ll see fans at any games this season, let alone this year. I wonder what impact that will have on:

- football clubs generally as a going concern
- the commencement of leagues below the SPL
- assuming most clubs can carry on, season ticket sales for 2021/22.

It doesn’t bear thinking about. Every club will be looking to slash costs massively in order to survive. Some form of orderly return has to be allowed.

[hibbysam]

The Thursday before is a Europa League group stage, match day 2, so probably waiting to see if Celtic will be playing that day, although they could easily plan for them to play on the Sunday

*or Aberdeen.

[Brightside]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54232346

This “six months chat” means it’s getting to the stage now where I doubt if we’ll see fans at any games this season, let alone this year. I wonder what impact that will have on:

- football clubs generally as a going concern
- the commencement of leagues below the SPL
- assuming most clubs can carry on, season ticket sales for 2021/22.

I think you are right. Sadly i can even see Grassroots football being halted again. Its a real shame that the actions of the few are going to screw it up for everyone else.

[bigwheel]

What is quite remarkable, is (As far as I’m aware) there has been no clarity of what happens in the event of the league not completing. As it’s a known risk the Football authorities in a Scotland should already have outlined the rules.


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[hibbyfraelibby]

Very odd watching the rugby from France yesterday.

Both games had a limited number of fans allowed in the stadium but the fans were all in one stand with little attempt to space them out (unlike the recent game at Murrayfield) and the other stands were empty.

Even less social distancing on some of the climbs in Le Tour.

The outcome of the above has to be considered by Sturgeon when deciding if we're allowed back. If French cases rise, then we'll have to wait and if they don't then she has no reason to prevent limited numbers of fans attending providing we're spaced apart.

You do realuse French cases topped the April figures and they had 200 deaths yesterday. Think the evidence shiws the score as Fans 0- 200 Virus.

I wont hang your hopes on the French example

[Magpie]

Leyton Orient players have tested positive for Covid after Spurs paid for their testing after their game on Saturday. Apparently regular testing is not a requirement in League Two of England. Wow.

[04Sauzee]

Chris Mclaughlan tweets

Celtic and Aberdeen fined £30,000 each by SPFL for Covid breaches.

Edit... Update

Celtic and Aberdeen fined £30,000 each by SPFL for Covid breaches. Both clubs to pay £8,000 to SPFL trust with the rest suspended and payable if there are further breaches.

[bigwheel]

Chris Mclaughlan tweets

Celtic and Aberdeen fined £30,000 each by SPFL for Covid breaches.

Seems a bit unfair that, how can you combat stupidity from players.....


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[hibbyfraelibby]

Seems a bit unfair that, how can you combat stupidity from players.....


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Collective responsibility and an employers duty of care.

If an individual banker can break the law without his employer's knowledge and the bank gets fined £Squillions then tell me how a footballers action breaking the relevant protocol or law is any different.

[bigwheel]

Collective responsibility and an emoyers duty of care.

If an individual banker can break the law without his employer's knowledge and the bank gets fined £Squillions then tell me how a footballers action breaking the relevant protocol or law is any different.

Lol. Quite a leap that....That example is in the course of the banker’s work. If the bankers gets into a fight outside of work, his employer doesn’t get fined...


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[Sir David Gray]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54232346

This “six months chat” means it’s getting to the stage now where I doubt if we’ll see fans at any games this season, let alone this year. I wonder what impact that will have on:

- football clubs generally as a going concern
- the commencement of leagues below the SPL
- assuming most clubs can carry on, season ticket sales for 2021/22.

I agree that the likelihood of any fans being allowed in this season is reducing every day. There are clearly serious concerns about the effects of the virus in the winter months and the weather is only going to get worse for at least the next 3 months and it will be a further 3 months after that before we start to see much improvement going into spring.

Given that we are about to go back into some form of lockdown within the next couple of days, allowing football fans back into football stadia, regardless of how small the numbers might be, is going to be very, very low down on the list of priorities.

If there's no matchday revenue for clubs for at least another 11 months then we will almost certainly see a number of clubs going to the wall.

If, God forbid, we are still living like this in around 6 or 7 months time, season ticket sales for 2021/22 will also take a hit. A lot of people who bought this year did so to do their bit for their club and in the knowledge that we may not get any live football for a season.

If that stretches into next season as well then that is likely to test the loyalty of even the most ardent fans in the country.

[Billy Whizz]

I agree that the likelihood of any fans being allowed in this season is reducing every day. There are clearly serious concerns about the effects of the virus in the winter months and the weather is only going to get worse for at least the next 3 months and it will be a further 3 months after that before we start to see much improvement going into spring.

Given that we are about to go back into some form of lockdown within the next couple of days, allowing football fans back into football stadia, regardless of how small the numbers might be, is going to be very, very low down on the list of priorities.

If there's no matchday revenue for clubs for at least another 11 months then we will almost certainly see a number of clubs going to the wall.

If, God forbid, we are still living like this in around 6 or 7 months time, season ticket sales for 2021/22 will also take a hit. A lot of people who bought this year did so to do their bit for their club and in the knowledge that we may not get any live football for a season.

If that stretches into next season as well then that is likely to test the loyalty of even the most ardent fans in the country.

You can go to practically anywhere just now, shops, bars, restaurants, cinema, gym, airport, but you can’t go to the football
Football seems to been particularly hard hit. Any other business that didn’t have it’s members propping it up, would have gone bust by now

[hibbyfraelibby]

Lol. Quite a leap that....That example is in the course of the banker’s work. If the bankers gets into a fight outside of work, his employer doesn’t get fined...


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Not that big a leap. Currently football is working in a regulated environment hence the protocol which is no different in principle to banks working under FSA or whatever it is called now.

Neither the banker nor the players got into a fight they breached rules applicable to their regulated businesses

[Keith_M]

SG to announce tighter restrictions on Wednesday

There's now no chance we're going to have fans at games in 2020, never mind in September.

[G B Young]

You can go to practically anywhere just now, shops, bars, restaurants, cinema, gym, airport, but you can’t go to the football
Football seems to been particularly hard hit. Any other business that didn’t have it’s members propping it up, would have gone bust by now

Suspect we'll see some of those activities (particularly travel) curtailed shortly.

With football I imagine that the fact fans travel from all over the country has a bearing on why there's so much cautio around opening up stadiums.

Six motnths will take us into late March so it does seem increasingly unlikely we'll see fans back this season. And who knows whether the season itself will actually be played out.

[Gordy M]

To be fair, they also mentioned that they were better at treating the virus and hopeful of a vaccine around Xmas for some(who that is im not sure) and start of the year for gen pop, so a slight glimmer of hope there.

[Eyrie]

Not that big a leap. Currently football is working in a regulated environment hence the protocol which is no different in principle to banks working under FSA or whatever it is called now.

Neither the banker nor the players got into a fight they breached rules applicable to their regulated businesses

The players did that in their own time.

If you'd been with the Aberdeen players that night, would your employer have been fined?

[hibbysam]

The players did that in their own time.

If you'd been with the Aberdeen players that night, would your employer have been fined?

If it meant that my employer was unable to carry out their duties to the detriment of one of our competitors then I’m fairly sure that would be fair game. They were very lucky not to concede the game going by the rules put out for the league cup, let alone get off with an £8k fine and a fully fit squad to complete the games.

[Sir David Gray]

Suspect we'll see some of those activities (particularly travel) curtailed shortly.

With football I imagine that the fact fans travel from all over the country has a bearing on why there's so much cautio around opening up stadiums.

Six motnths will take us into late March so it does seem increasingly unlikely we'll see fans back this season. And who knows whether the season itself will actually be played out.

Yep I wouldn't be surprised to see the 5 mile limit on travel for non essential purposes reimposed which would obviously knacker many football fans anyway, even if grounds were open.

[Greenio]

Can't see any of the partial restrictions getting the case numbers down any time soon.

Not sure if they could play games with the rest of the county on a hard lockdown. Which is prob what will have to come at some point

[matty_f]

I can't believe how emotional I feel seeing the empty stands at ER on Sky just now. I really miss it.

I was the same, especially when we scored and you know what it would have been like watching it there.

[SHODAN]

Hey, at least I'll only be half as gut-wrenchingly nervous when watching the semi final at home.

[Keith_M]

Hey, at least I'll only be half as gut-wrenchingly nervous when watching the semi final at home.


I'll be watching it at home, with a view of the main stand roof at Hampden out my window.---- I'll be a nervous wreck!

[Billy Whizz]

I'll be watching it at home, with a view of the main stand roof at Hampden out my window.---- I'll be a nervous wreck!

You live in the posh houses opposite the South😄

[hibbyfraelibby]

The players did that in their own time.

If you'd been with the Aberdeen players that night, would your employer have been fined?

Doesn't matter if you do it in your own time or company time you are covered 24/7 by the rules.

My employer would only have been fined if I had been in breach of the protocol.

Time football, football fans and players woke up to the fact, like it or lump it, it is no different to any other business and are not "entitled" to preferential treatment just because...

[marinello59]

Gove confirms that fans won’t be getting in down south, no more test events.

[Brightside]

No chance we will be back this year.

[Heisenberg]

Can’t see the lower leagues starting up as planned without fans.

[bigwheel]

Will be devastating for most clubs if there are no fans and hospitality etc this season ...we will likely see clubs go under and significant cost reductions across the board . We have a very complex environment for many sectors and football will be right in the mix of being hit hard .. tough times

[Carheenlea]

No chance we will be back this year.

The picture being painted yesterday was that difficult winter is ahead of us, but if we learn from mistakes made back in Feb/March and act now was that another 6 months could see us come out the other end far stronger and better prepared for a return to normality, particularly if the positive noises about vaccines becoming available in New Year turn out true.

Just abandon test events and matches with limited numbers attending and accept that this season is a write off for spectators and start (hopefully) afresh in August.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I think Leagues 1 and 2 could survive without fans...they pretty much do already and rely heavily on directors etc to fund them.

Championship clubs on other hand get minimal tv money are FT and cannot ride out the cash flow crisis for too long without significant external support. With few exception I think they might feel mothballing the season a sensible way forward which means making playing and ground staff redundant putting themselves on a care and maintenance basis.

I anticipate a mushroom cloud will rise above the site of a landmark library frontage.

[BS44]

My brother was speaking to someone at Ibrox who deals with HR and they said that it isn't expected for crowds to be back before February next year. This was before the second spike too

[Ronniekirk]

What is quite remarkable, is (As far as I’m aware) there has been no clarity of what happens in the event of the league not completing. As it’s a known risk the Football authorities in a Scotland should already have outlined the rules.


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Budge statement incoming saying Hearts should be reinstated immediately if that were to happen


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[Ronniekirk]

Gove confirms that fans won’t be getting in down south, no more test events.

Well Nicola has no time fir football so that’s o chance now of fans back this year and. Bad winter would mean jan and Feb our the window as well


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[Sir David Gray]

Well Nicola has no time fir football so that’s o chance now of fans back this year and. Bad winter would mean jan and Feb our the window as well


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Next season now. No way anyone will be returning before then.

[Scouse Hibee]

Next season now. No way anyone will be returning before then.

Yeah no different to my initial thoughts at the outset.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Well Nicola has no time fir football so that’s o chance now of fans back this year and. Bad winter would mean jan and Feb our the window as well


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According to BoJo no fans returning by 1st October and the general restrictions newly announce for England are to be expected for the next 6 months. Sports clubs financial support package being announced later by Chancellor.

So looks like no fans this season and Barnet Consequentials to be announced.

[SHODAN]

We're not watching football this season.

[SteveHFC]

Next season now. No way anyone will be returning before then.

Yep. Think we can kiss goodbye to getting into any stadiums now this season.

[hibeenicol]

I honestly thought we would have been back by now and am gutted it has not worked out that way. Currently I'm spending £75pm on the payment plan for season tickets I was happy to pay that if we were getting back to the stadium however if we are not getting back until next season I don't really want to keep paying that cash for no return unfortunately.

Whats folks thoughts?

Do you think Hibs will change their thoughts on this now and carry over the season ticket next season or continue with the current model of a season ticket allows you to watch the games live only on Hibs TV?

[mim]

I honestly thought we would have been back by now and am gutted it has not worked out that way. Currently I'm spending £75pm on the payment plan for season tickets I was happy to pay that if we were getting back to the stadium however if we are not getting back until next season I don't really want to keep paying that cash for no return unfortunately.

Whats folks thoughts?

Do you think Hibs will change their thoughts on this now and carry over the season ticket next season or continue with the current model of a season ticket allows you to watch the games live only on Hibs TV?

That's a tough one.
Players and employees of the club still need paid, if we are to survive this pandemic relatively unscathed.
Hopefully most supporters will choose to leave things as they are and show support for the club.

[Alfred E Newman]

I honestly thought we would have been back by now and am gutted it has not worked out that way. Currently I'm spending £75pm on the payment plan for season tickets I was happy to pay that if we were getting back to the stadium however if we are not getting back until next season I don't really want to keep paying that cash for no return unfortunately.

Whats folks thoughts?

Do you think Hibs will change their thoughts on this now and carry over the season ticket next season or continue with the current model of a season ticket allows you to watch the games live only on Hibs TV?

I renewed my ticket to support the club. I did hope that we would be back some time this season but its looking very unlikely now. The club will need our support more than ever.

[04Sauzee]

Unless football is back next season which you would hope there is then season ticket sales will take a huge hit, there will be a number of households who have bought 2,3 or 4 tickets that may still support the club but will only pay for the price of 1 ticket.

[Iggy Pope]

I honestly thought we would have been back by now and am gutted it has not worked out that way. Currently I'm spending £75pm on the payment plan for season tickets I was happy to pay that if we were getting back to the stadium however if we are not getting back until next season I don't really want to keep paying that cash for no return unfortunately.

Whats folks thoughts?

Do you think Hibs will change their thoughts on this now and carry over the season ticket next season or continue with the current model of a season ticket allows you to watch the games live only on Hibs TV?

Hard. Times like this though it’s what we do for the club, not what it does for us.

[marinello59]

Hard. Times like this though it’s what we do for the club, not what it does for us.

There will be plenty of us unable to justify or afford anywhere near the same outlay next season when there is no prospect of live football. No fans will mean players wages will have to be slashed.

[BegbieHSC]

I think most of us bought our season tickets knowing on the most part, the funds were going towards keeping the club afloat, as opposed to actually being able to attend matches with it.

I don’t reckon it’ll be safe to go in a stadium until next season unfortunately. If it keeps more grannies and grandpas alive to come see us next season, I’m more than happy to enjoy Hibs from home.

A wee European tour in summer 2021 would be a great way to get back in a stadium for the first time anyway.

[Jones28]

I honestly thought we would have been back by now and am gutted it has not worked out that way. Currently I'm spending £75pm on the payment plan for season tickets I was happy to pay that if we were getting back to the stadium however if we are not getting back until next season I don't really want to keep paying that cash for no return unfortunately.

Whats folks thoughts?

Do you think Hibs will change their thoughts on this now and carry over the season ticket next season or continue with the current model of a season ticket allows you to watch the games live only on Hibs TV?

As good as that would be I don't think they could afford it. They might be able to offer a discount for this seasons ST holders if they renew next season though.

[04Sauzee]

I honestly thought we would have been back by now and am gutted it has not worked out that way. Currently I'm spending £75pm on the payment plan for season tickets I was happy to pay that if we were getting back to the stadium however if we are not getting back until next season I don't really want to keep paying that cash for no return unfortunately.

Whats folks thoughts?

Do you think Hibs will change their thoughts on this now and carry over the season ticket next season or continue with the current model of a season ticket allows you to watch the games live only on Hibs TV?

Don't think things will change for this season. Hibs won't be in a position to afford refunds i dont think or carry the tickets on to next season.

I'm currently paying for 4 tickets in our house, not ideal and doubt I'd be able to buy 4 next seasonn if we aren't getting into the stadium

[G B Young]

With it looking all but certain we won't see fans back this season they should give serious consideration to scrapping the cup competitions for this season (as well as last season's remaining Scottish Cup games) and just play out the league games. With no ticket sales to offset costs, that would at least save clubs (especially smaller clubs) on travel/accommodation.