What's the chances of fans going back in September?

[Gatecrasher]

Picture from Brighton-Chelsea earlier today. That's the way it should be to get the crowds back.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/15DC1/production/_114173598_gettyimages-1228253136.jpg

see i thought they would have alternate seats, you cant sit directly behind or in front of someone. otherwise you will have someone breathing on you for 2-2.5 hours.

[Callum_62]

see i thought they would have alternate seats, you cant sit directly behind or in front of someone. otherwise you will have someone breathing on you for 2-2.5 hours.My thought exactly

No way would I be sitting like that

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[Sir David Gray]

The football test events are being held over the weekend that we were told fans would be returning to games. That ticks a box I guess but there will be no rush to get us back in any sort of meaningful numbers.
I was at a a Polish fourth tier game yesterday. Attendance was restricted to 50% ( which really made no practical difference.) Face masks did not have to be worn. You sat where you wanted and were trusted to maintain social distancing from other groups and it worked. The main difference in Scotland is our Government simply doesn’t trust football fans to self police at all.

Did you need to give your Polish postcode before you were allowed entry? :greengrin

I agree with your last part by the way. Despite Scottish football fans being a lot more compliant than many of our counterparts on the continent, we are simply not trusted despite claims to the contrary.

[Eyrie]

see i thought they would have alternate seats, you cant sit directly behind or in front of someone. otherwise you will have someone breathing on you for 2-2.5 hours.


My thought exactly

No way would I be sitting like that

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Wouldn't think alternating seats would affect the capacity but there must be some reason for it as Murrayfield was the same on Friday evening.

[we are hibs]

Cambridge allowed 2500 fans in their 8,127 capacity stadium for the opening game of their season v Carlisle. 12th september.

[Coco Bryce]

I seriously don't want to sit directly in front of someone shouting and spluttering for the full match that's for sure.

[Keith_M]

see i thought they would have alternate seats, you cant sit directly behind or in front of someone. otherwise you will have someone breathing on you for 2-2.5 hours.


My thought exactly

No way would I be sitting like that


I seriously don't want to sit directly in front of someone shouting and spluttering for the full match that's for sure.


I think the angle of the photo is misleading, as there's actually one empty seat in front of every spectator, hence the reason it's 25% of capacity and not 50%.

If you look again, each vertical 'line' (column) of fans amounts to 10 people, but there are actually twenty rows of seats (at least in the area in front of that concrete wall)

[Moulin Yarns]

Rangers and Celtic will not be permitted to host test events for the return of fans until lockdown restrictions are lifted in Glasgow.

More: https://t.co/JqLVqUYu51 https://t.co/m2MFlv1Ydu

[Keith_M]

Rangers and Celtic will not be permitted to host test events for the return of fans until lockdown restrictions are lifted in Glasgow.

More: https://t.co/JqLVqUYu51 https://t.co/m2MFlv1Ydu


A very short-sighted approach. You can't just panic every time there's been a minor* rise in number of infections and say you're not allowed to plan for the future.

The test events would have miniscule numbers attending and the strictest of precautions put in place. Quite clearly, anybody that's tested positive wouldn't be allowed to attend anyway, so the most recent infections are hardly relevant.



* 'Minor' as in actual numbers, not as a percentage of existing cases.

[Sir David Gray]

A very short-sighted approach. You can't just panic every time there's been a minor* rise in number of infections and say you're not allowed to plan for the future.

The test events would have miniscule numbers attending and the strictest of precautions put in place. Quite clearly, anybody that's tested positive wouldn't be allowed to attend anyway, so the most recent infections are hardly relevant.



* 'Minor' as in actual numbers, not as a percentage of existing cases.

Yep, makes no sense. It's an outside environment (which is much lower risk than an indoor venue) and both Ibrox and Parkhead are huge stadia (at least in Scottish terms) and the reported numbers allowed to attend at first are supposed to be very small so distancing won't be a problem.

I just can't understand the logic, especially when people in those areas can still attend indoor hospitality which is far more risky.

[Brightside]

They arent even allowing parents to watch youth football. So its still going to be a while before senior football open up.

[Nelly070]

Slightly off topic, SFA/SYFA Phase 3 guidelines released last night for kids grassroots football are not permitting parents to spectate in any form once friendlies resume on 12th September. Seems madness given the spaces available around 'most' pitches/facilities

[B.H.F.C]

Slightly off topic, SFA/SYFA Phase 3 guidelines released last night for kids grassroots football are not permitting parents to spectate in any form once friendlies resume on 12th September. Seems madness given the spaces available around 'most' pitches/facilities

That’s ridiculous. It’s a couple of dozen folk spaced around a park!

[Gatecrasher]

A very short-sighted approach. You can't just panic every time there's been a minor* rise in number of infections and say you're not allowed to plan for the future.

The test events would have miniscule numbers attending and the strictest of precautions put in place. Quite clearly, anybody that's tested positive wouldn't be allowed to attend anyway, so the most recent infections are hardly relevant.



* 'Minor' as in actual numbers, not as a percentage of existing cases.


Yep, makes no sense. It's an outside environment (which is much lower risk than an indoor venue) and both Ibrox and Parkhead are huge stadia (at least in Scottish terms) and the reported numbers allowed to attend at first are supposed to be very small so distancing won't be a problem.

I just can't understand the logic, especially when people in those areas can still attend indoor hospitality which is far more risky.
I’m not saying whether the decision is right or wrong but I think they are sending the message that you need to follow the rules or things we enjoy like going to sports or the pub etc will remain restricted and more difficult for longer.

[hibee_girl]

That’s ridiculous. It’s a couple of dozen folk spaced around a park!

It is crazy but on the other hand after seeing parents not socially distancing at school gates for the past few weeks I can see why they’ve chosen to have this rule.

[Nelly070]

It is crazy but on the other hand after seeing parents not socially distancing at school gates for the past few weeks I can see why they’ve chosen to have this rule.

I get what you are saying, but most schools may have 2 or 3 gates, a football pitch is a much larger space with alot less people likely to be there in the first place

[hibee_girl]

I get what you are saying, but most schools may have 2 or 3 gates, a football pitch is a much larger space with alot less people likely to be there in the first place

True.

[Keith_M]

I’m not saying whether the decision is right or wrong but I think they are sending the message that you need to follow the rules or things we enjoy like going to sports or the pub etc will remain restricted and more difficult for longer.


It may well be that, but it's not a logical response.

Basicially that message would be that, if some people are not abiding by the guidelines, then the whole population should be punished... guilty or not, responsible or not.

[Scouse Hibee]

Slightly off topic, SFA/SYFA Phase 3 guidelines released last night for kids grassroots football are not permitting parents to spectate in any form once friendlies resume on 12th September. Seems madness given the spaces available around 'most' pitches/facilities

How can they stop folk walking in a public park and stopping to watch a game of football?

[Keith_M]

How can they stop folk walking in a public park and stopping to watch a game of football?


Riot Police. Some of those parent can be pretty wild at games

[Kato]

It may well be that, but it's not a logical response.

Basicially that message would be that, if some people are not abiding by the guidelines, then the whole population should be punished... guilty or not, responsible or not.It's not really a punishment, it's a restriction.

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[Skol]

Slightly off topic, SFA/SYFA Phase 3 guidelines released last night for kids grassroots football are not permitting parents to spectate in any form once friendlies resume on 12th September. Seems madness given the spaces available around 'most' pitches/facilities

Gyle park on a Sunday morning and loads of parents spectating at games that take place

[Hibby70]

Slightly off topic, SFA/SYFA Phase 3 guidelines released last night for kids grassroots football are not permitting parents to spectate in any form once friendlies resume on 12th September. Seems madness given the spaces available around 'most' pitches/facilities
That seems a bit ridiculous, surely just everyone should be advised to wear a mask and socially distance would be sufficient.

[The dalmeny]

Slightly off topic, SFA/SYFA Phase 3 guidelines released last night for kids grassroots football are not permitting parents to spectate in any form once friendlies resume on 12th September. Seems madness given the spaces available around 'most' pitches/facilities

that’ll be a laugh down the Links

[Keith_M]

It's not really a punishment, it's a restriction.

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If you look at the post I was responding to, you'll see in what context I used that word.

[O'Rourke3]

A very short-sighted approach. You can't just panic every time there's been a minor* rise in number of infections and say you're not allowed to plan for the future.

The test events would have miniscule numbers attending and the strictest of precautions put in place. Quite clearly, anybody that's tested positive wouldn't be allowed to attend anyway, so the most recent infections are hardly relevant.



* 'Minor' as in actual numbers, not as a percentage of existing cases.Any games involving the two cheeks invariably brings a large chancer crowd, forged tickets and the rest. The outbreaks are family not location/workplace based so greater general risk.

I'd hoped by now there would be an announcment that a test event could be elsewhere like Edinburgh.

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[Kato]

If you look at the post I was responding to, you'll see in what context I used that word.Ok, I see.

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[Nelly070]

Gyle park on a Sunday morning and loads of parents spectating at games that take place

Ok point taken, but maybe the Gyle needs to be managed differently to accomodate adequate social distancing, spreading out KO times could be a solution. Many facilities or community parks wont see the same amount of people as the Gyle, surely common sense prevails.

As someone earlier proposed asking parents to wear face coverings should be sufficient particularly if they also adhere to distancing guidelines.
Just seems mad to 'ban' parents when adequate precautions that would go above and beyond the current requirements to have a pint in a pub, could be easily put in place to watch your son/daughter play football.

[04Sauzee]

Slightly off topic, SFA/SYFA Phase 3 guidelines released last night for kids grassroots football are not permitting parents to spectate in any form once friendlies resume on 12th September. Seems madness given the spaces available around 'most' pitches/facilities

Any parent who requires to be this is to be 4 meteres from the touchline?

[Keith_M]

Ok, I see.
...


:aok:

[Nelly070]

Any parent who requires to be this is to be 4 meteres from the touchline?

The 4m distance is what they are calling the green zone, this is only for parents who the SYFA say 'need' to be there. Not quite sure what that means!!??
If the green zone was for all parents to spectate then there wouldnt be a problem

[04Sauzee]

The 4m distance is what they are calling the green zone, this is only for parents who the SYFA say 'need' to be there. Not quite sure what that means!!??
If the green zone was for all parents to spectate then there wouldnt be a problem

Yip only parents who are required to be there due to a childs age or particular health condition

[Brightside]

The 4m distance is what they are calling the green zone, this is only for parents who the SYFA say 'need' to be there. Not quite sure what that means!!??
If the green zone was for all parents to spectate then there wouldnt be a problem

Only for kids that have a special need for parents to be there. Health reasons etc.

[The dalmeny]

Ok point taken, but maybe the Gyle needs to be managed differently to accomodate adequate social distancing, spreading out KO times could be a solution. Many facilities or community parks wont see the same amount of people as the Gyle, surely common sense prevails.

As someone earlier proposed asking parents to wear face coverings should be sufficient particularly if they also adhere to distancing guidelines.
Just seems mad to 'ban' parents when adequate precautions that would go above and beyond the current requirements to have a pint in a pub, could be easily put in place to watch your son/daughter play football.

I’ve booked a table in the pub tomorrow night to watch football. I’ll be there for 2 hrs not wearing a mask with a tight 2m between tables but I can’t watch the boy at saughton or wherever standing on my own 10 m from the pitch. Difficult to understand.

[The dalmeny]

Yip only parents who are required to be there due to a childs age or particular health condition

I suppose what’s the definition of Pitch side

[Brightside]

I suppose what’s the definition of Pitch side

Clubs have been told to ask parents not to attend any of the games.

[PaulSmith]

Ok point taken, but maybe the Gyle needs to be managed differently to accomodate adequate social distancing, spreading out KO times could be a solution. Many facilities or community parks wont see the same amount of people as the Gyle, surely common sense prevails.

As someone earlier proposed asking parents to wear face coverings should be sufficient particularly if they also adhere to distancing guidelines.
Just seems mad to 'ban' parents when adequate precautions that would go above and beyond the current requirements to have a pint in a pub, could be easily put in place to watch your son/daughter play football.

But its OK for a local councillor to hold a meeting with over 200 people in attendance at the same venue (happened last Friday).

It’s just more virtue signalling without any form of risk assessment.


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[Scouse Hibee]

But its OK for a local councillor to hold a meeting with over 200 people in attendance at the same venue (happened last Friday).

It’s just more virtue signalling without any form of risk assessment.


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Closer to a thousand according to reports, all socially distanced though with the Police present to ensure order. Well that’s the councillors version anyway

[Keith_M]

Closer to a thousand according to reports, all socially distanced though with the Police present to ensure order. Well that’s the councillors version anyway


What was the event?

[Scouse Hibee]

What was the event?

Public meeting to address the concerns of residents about the road closures and traffic calming measures affecting Craig’s Road, Maybury, East Craig’s, North Gyle and associated areas. All pushed through by the council during Covid without proper consultation.

[Keith_M]

Public meeting to address the concerns of residents about the road closures and traffic calming measures affecting Craig’s Road, Maybury, East Craig’s, North Gyle and associated areas. All pushed through by the council during Covid without proper consultation.


Cheers.

[Billy Whizz]

Public meeting to address the concerns of residents about the road closures and traffic calming measures affecting Craig’s Road, Maybury, East Craig’s, North Gyle and associated areas. All pushed through by the council during Covid without proper consultation.

I must have missed this too
The new houses going up at Cammo, are just going to add to the gridlock at the Barnton and Maybury junctions
Sorry I know this is a football thread....

[Radium]

Slightly off topic, SFA/SYFA Phase 3 guidelines released last night for kids grassroots football are not permitting parents to spectate in any form once friendlies resume on 12th September. Seems madness given the spaces available around 'most' pitches/facilities

Parents watching is not necessary, so why, when the general idea is to limit the spread of the virus would hundreds of opportunities be allowed to happen.

It’s frustrating but just needs to be dealt with


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[B.H.F.C]

Parents watching is not necessary, so why, when the general idea is to limit the spread of the virus would hundreds of opportunities be allowed to happen.

It’s frustrating but just needs to be dealt with


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There are so many examples, of things that are far more risky in terms of spreading the virus, than a couple of dozen parents standing in a wide open park watching their kids play football.

It’s absolutely ridiculous that this is chosen as one of the things that people aren’t allowed to do.

[Scouse Hibee]

There are so many examples, of things that are far more risky in terms of spreading the virus, than a couple of dozen parents standing in a wide open park watching their kids play football.

It’s absolutely ridiculous that this is chosen as one of the things that people aren’t allowed to do.

Ridiculous, there will be more people at my bowls club tomorrow.

[B.H.F.C]

Ridiculous, there will be more people at my bowls club tomorrow.

Is it an example of football, even at grassroots level, being treated differently from the rest of society?

Parents can’t be trusted to behave themselves and all that. I’m only half joking!

[Keith_M]

Is it an example of football, even at grassroots level, being treated differently from the rest of society?

Parents can’t be trusted to behave themselves and all that. I’m only half joking!


I used to help out with our local Primary School football years ago and you'd be surprised how many times I had to ask some of the Mums to calm down a bit when watching the game.

[Pretty Boy]

I was heading home through town last night and passed a so called 'silent' disco.

A group of 15-20 people, less than half in masks (the leader of the group wasn't wearing one), no social distancing, singing, shouting and dancing together. That's fine at the moment but a couple of thousand fans in a 21K capacity stadium and a mum and dad watching their child play football isn't?

[flash]

I was heading home through town last night and passed a so called 'silent' disco.

A group of 15-20 people, less than half in masks (the leader of the group wasn't wearing one), no social distancing, singing, shouting and dancing together. That's fine at the moment but a couple of thousand fans in a 21K capacity stadium and a mum and dad watching the child play football isn't?

Silent discos are never fine under any circumstances.

[Sir David Gray]

I was heading home through town last night and passed a so called 'silent' disco.

A group of 15-20 people, less than half in masks (the leader of the group wasn't wearing one), no social distancing, singing, shouting and dancing together. That's fine at the moment but a couple of thousand fans in a 21K capacity stadium and a mum and dad watching their child play football isn't?

Presumably this wasn't anything official since indoor gatherings over more than 15 people are illegal?

[lord bunberry]

Presumably this wasn't anything official since indoor gatherings over more than 15 people are illegal?
They’re outdoors, they walk around the streets in headphones being led by someone.

[Sir David Gray]

They’re outdoors, they walk around the streets in headphones being led by someone.

Ah right ok thanks I agree with the other poster, that should definitely not be acceptable even without Covid-19!

It's crazy though, we can allow things like this but we can't allow stadia in Scotland to have about 10% capacity with people spread out throughout the stadia.

[lord bunberry]

Ah right ok thanks I agree with the other poster, that should definitely not be acceptable even without Covid-19!

It's crazy though, we can allow things like this but we can't allow stadia in Scotland to have about 10% capacity with people spread out throughout the stadia.
I agree on both points, especially the first.

[The dalmeny]

I used to help out with our local Primary School football years ago and you'd be surprised how many times I had to ask some of the Mums to calm down a bit when watching the game.

Mums are the worst.

kids competitive games earmarked to start first weekend in October

[Heisenberg]

Aberdeen hoping to get approval for two test events on Monday. One with 300 fans and the other with 750.

[04Sauzee]

David Cormack (beginning to annoy me btw) tweets

Test Events: Looking forward to getting the green light on Monday for 2 test events. 300 fans next Saturday v Kilmarnock & 750 v Motherwell. Kudos to the clubs, SPFL, SFA & ScotGov. Hopeful of getting all our season-ticket holders in as soon as possible. Standby and Stand Free! https://t.co/wrs8Y89WMa

[B.H.F.C]

Aberdeen hoping to get approval for two test events on Monday. One with 300 fans and the other with 750.

As much as that’s a step forward, I’m not sure what two matches at such limited numbers actually tests.

[B.H.F.C]

David Cormack (beginning to annoy me btw) tweets

Test Events: Looking forward to getting the green light on Monday for 2 test events. 300 fans next Saturday v Kilmarnock & 750 v Motherwell. Kudos to the clubs, SPFL, SFA & ScotGov. Hopeful of getting all our season-ticket holders in as soon as possible. Standby and Stand Free! https://t.co/wrs8Y89WMa

As much as he likes the sound of his own voice, it’s good from an Aberdeen perspective that they want to be involved in anything test wise. I’d like to think Hibs would be equally keen but we’ve certainly not heard anything from them on it.

[Sir David Gray]

As much as that’s a step forward, I’m not sure what two matches at such limited numbers actually tests.

Yeah I agree.

Restaurants and pubs were able to reopen at more than 2 or 3% of capacity and they're indoors.

[Sir David Gray]

As much as he likes the sound of his own voice, it’s good from an Aberdeen perspective that they want to be involved in anything test wise. I’d like to think Hibs would be equally keen but we’ve certainly not heard anything from them on it.

Maybe we're not going to be included yet. Obviously next week we're away and the week after we're at home to Rangers which will be deemed high risk even without any away fans present.

[marinello59]

Maybe we're not going to be included yet. Obviously next week we're away and the week after we're at home to Rangers which will be deemed high risk even without any away fans present.

Why would any game with no away fans be deemed high risk?

[Sir David Gray]

Why would any game with no away fans be deemed high risk?

Ask James Tavernier! :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

Maybe we're not going to be included yet. Obviously next week we're away and the week after we're at home to Rangers which will be deemed high risk even without any away fans present.

Who knows. I think it would be good if the club were to state their intentions.

If they said they were keen on doing something for the Rangers game for instance, but we weren’t allowed to then fine. I think clubs need to be the one pushing this for it to happen but we don’t know what Hibs are doing.

KP mentioned on here recently that they were working on different scenarios. It would be good if they could share some of that IMO.

[hibbysam]

Who knows. I think it would be good if the club were to state their intentions.

If they said they were keen on doing something for the Rangers game for instance, but we weren’t allowed to then fine. I think clubs need to be the one pushing this for it to happen but we don’t know what Hibs are doing.

KP mentioned on here recently that they were working on different scenarios. It would be good if they could share some of that IMO.

Club should be front and centre of any talks between clubs and lawmakers in regards to getting fans back in. I’d be mightily pissed off if we weren’t pushing for our next home game (be it rangers or whoever) to have some fans back in with a view of building it up from there.

[Keith_M]

... I think clubs need to be the one pushing this for it to happen but we don’t know what Hibs are doing.
....


Club should be front and centre of any talks between clubs and lawmakers in regards to getting fans back in. I’d be mightily pissed off if we weren’t pushing for our next home game (be it rangers or whoever) to have some fans back in with a view of building it up from there.


Agreed.

The clubs have to start pushing for this, as the government clearly aren't in any hurry to get fans back any time soon.

[Del Boy]

As much as that’s a step forward, I’m not sure what two matches at such limited numbers actually tests.

Totally agree. Should be able to start with a much higher figure in a stadium the size of Pittodrie

[Sir David Gray]

Totally agree. Should be able to start with a much higher figure in a stadium the size of Pittodrie

Yep you should be able to easily get 3-4,000 inside grounds llike Pittodrie and Easter Road with everyone at a safe distance.

300 people inside a 20,000 seater stadium proves very little.

[I_Love_Latapy]

Yep you should be able to easily get 3-4,000 inside grounds llike Pittodrie and Easter Road with everyone at a safe distance.

300 people inside a 20,000 seater stadium proves very little.

I suspect the main issue is not the social distancing between seats ... its the large crowds milling about in tight spaces beforehand/halftime and waiting to get out that present the main risk. very hard to control people during these times too without one way systems, crash barriers etc.

Similarly to the SFA not allowing parents to watch - its not that they couldn't spread out, but that chances are they won't.

I guess authorities see both of these as an unnecessary risk, even if the risk is small if everyone behaves themselves.

[Andy74]

Yep you should be able to easily get 3-4,000 inside grounds llike Pittodrie and Easter Road with everyone at a safe distance.

300 people inside a 20,000 seater stadium proves very little.

Yep, have also been saying this about the test events. So you can move 300 people in and out of a huge stadium with hand sanitisation stations or whatever. It proves very little.

[Keith_M]

I suspect the main issue is not the social distancing between seats ... its the large crowds milling about in tight spaces beforehand/halftime and waiting to get out that present the main risk. very hard to control people during these times too without one way systems, crash barriers etc.

Similarly to the SFA not allowing parents to watch - its not that they couldn't spread out, but that chances are they won't.

I guess authorities see both of these as an unnecessary risk, even if the risk is small if everyone behaves themselves.


I understand the reticence, but people are already milling about outside with very little social distancing and with no masks on.

If Fans were made to wear masks before they entered the stadium and left in a reasonably ordered manner (which happens at most matches anyway), then I honestly don't see what the problem would be.

The biggest issue would be the number of fans that crowd the areas under the stand at half-time, but that could surely be controlled as well by blocking off these areas for access to the toilets only.

:dunno:







p.s. I just realised my posts all seem a bit grumpy and moaning faced today, so I'm going to do everybody a favour and log out for a while.

:greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

I suspect the main issue is not the social distancing between seats ... its the large crowds milling about in tight spaces beforehand/halftime and waiting to get out that present the main risk. very hard to control people during these times too without one way systems, crash barriers etc.

Similarly to the SFA not allowing parents to watch - its not that they couldn't spread out, but that chances are they won't.

I guess authorities see both of these as an unnecessary risk, even if the risk is small if everyone behaves themselves.

I don’t think they can keep grounds closed because they think it might be difficult to control. They need to find a way to make it easier to control. The vast majority of people would comply, people are used to doing things differently by now.

To get it going again everybody is going to need to compromise a bit. For instance, once you’re in, you’re no just getting up and leaving when you fancy if they need to clear the place in a controlled manner. If you need to walk a different direction when you leave the stadium (they could send people from the east round the back of the south for example) then so be it. With the exception of going to the toilet, and passing through to your seat, keep the concourse out of bounds so folk aren’t hanging about.

[ancient hibee]

Club should be front and centre of any talks between clubs and lawmakers in regards to getting fans back in. I’d be mightily pissed off if we weren’t pushing for our next home game (be it rangers or whoever) to have some fans back in with a view of building it up from there.

Ms Dempster is on the joint committee dealing with re admittance of fans.

[Sir David Gray]

I suspect the main issue is not the social distancing between seats ... its the large crowds milling about in tight spaces beforehand/halftime and waiting to get out that present the main risk. very hard to control people during these times too without one way systems, crash barriers etc.

Similarly to the SFA not allowing parents to watch - its not that they couldn't spread out, but that chances are they won't.

I guess authorities see both of these as an unnecessary risk, even if the risk is small if everyone behaves themselves.

I'm sure there will be one way systems in place. If you take Easter Road as an example, 4,000 people could be spread out as follows;

1,300 in the east and west stands - both stands hold around 6,500 people so would be at around 20% capacity.

700 in the Famous Five and south stands - both stands hold just under 4,000 so again both would be at around 20% capacity.

3 out of the 4 stands are two tiered as well and as far as I know there's catering and toilet facilities on both levels so you could split the 20% in half which would make it even easier to split people up. If there's concerns about the east stand for that reason then reduce the numbers in there accordingly.

In terms of leaving the stadium, if there's concerns about everyone leaving at the same time then in the 3 stands with two tiers, allow those in the bottom tier to leave first then let those in the top tier leave.

There's absolutely no reason why that couldn't work. Having 300 people in Easter Road hardly tells us anything.

[SideBurns]

I'm sure there will be one way systems in place. If you take Easter Road as an example, 4,000 people could be spread out as follows;

1,300 in the east and west stands - both stands hold around 6,500 people so would be at around 20% capacity.

700 in the Famous Five and south stands - both stands hold just under 4,000 so again both would be at around 20% capacity.

3 out of the 4 stands are two tiered as well and as far as I know there's catering and toilet facilities on both levels so you could split the 20% in half which would make it even easier to split people up. If there's concerns about the east stand for that reason then reduce the numbers in there accordingly.

In terms of leaving the stadium, if there's concerns about everyone leaving at the same time then in the 3 stands with two tiers, allow those in the bottom tier to leave first then let those in the top tier leave.

There's absolutely no reason why that couldn't work. Having 300 people in Easter Road hardly tells us anything.

This all sounds very sensible to me, and I'm sure fans will so desperate to get back to ER that they'll be anxious to comply with any instructions which would make it work.

And crowds of 4,000 weren't that far off what we used to get for some games in the dark days of the early 80s; those of us with memories of that period might not even find it too strange 😁

[EI255]

Ross County seem hell bent to be the first ones to have crowds. Tells me that they are struggling.

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[EI255]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53951299

Why is it a foregone conclusion that rangers and celtic will be 2 of the 3 test events?Ross County seem to want to beat everyone to the front of the queue.

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[Billy Whizz]

Ross County seem hell bent to be the first ones to have crowds. Tells me that they are struggling.

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Doubt they are struggling, owner is minted
Will be easy for them, as they won’t have too many season ticket holders
Remember they also allowed the community to use their testing equipment, so well deserved if they are front of the queue

[Willis1875]

Ross County seem hell bent to be the first ones to have crowds. Tells me that they are struggling.

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Not sure there will be much money to be made by allowing fans into grounds at a reduced capacity, it's going to be ST holders that will be attending these games and clubs have already gathered in the cash from them. Any money made from kiosks is likely going to cover the costs of stewarding and policing on match days

[Billy Whizz]

I'm sure there will be one way systems in place. If you take Easter Road as an example, 4,000 people could be spread out as follows;

1,300 in the east and west stands - both stands hold around 6,500 people so would be at around 20% capacity.

700 in the Famous Five and south stands - both stands hold just under 4,000 so again both would be at around 20% capacity.

3 out of the 4 stands are two tiered as well and as far as I know there's catering and toilet facilities on both levels so you could split the 20% in half which would make it even easier to split people up. If there's concerns about the east stand for that reason then reduce the numbers in there accordingly.

In terms of leaving the stadium, if there's concerns about everyone leaving at the same time then in the 3 stands with two tiers, allow those in the bottom tier to leave first then let those in the top tier leave.

There's absolutely no reason why that couldn't work. Having 300 people in Easter Road hardly tells us anything.
Agree with most of this, sensible post. Only thing is will we use the South Stand, as the away team subs get changed in it, and their subs sit in the bottom tier

[Sir David Gray]

Agree with most of this, sensible post. Only thing is will we use the South Stand, as the away team subs get changed in it, and their subs sit in the bottom tier

In terms of the subs sitting in the bottom tier, that could be sorted by having a few stewards round them. There would only be 7(?) of them so you could put them in the bottom corner between the south and west stands if they're not allowed in the dugout area. There would only be around 700 fans in the south stand in my scenario so there should be easily enough space between the fans and the subs to prevent any potential trouble. We've had around 2,000 Hibs and Rangers fans in that stand before without any issues so I don't see that being a problem.

In terms of them getting changed, they would only be taking their training tops off so that could be done in their seats.

[PaulSmith]

Ross County seem hell bent to be the first ones to have crowds. Tells me that they are struggling.

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It will cost them money to get a few hundred in the ground.


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[CA Hibby]

It might not be as far away as we think. I seen last night that MLS game with Orlando and Atlanta had fans in the ground.
Maybe start to get some test cases on how to move this forward, will see that start

[Sir David Gray]

It might not be as far away as we think. I seen last night that MLS game with Orlando and Atlanta had fans in the ground.
Maybe start to get some test cases on how to move this forward, will see that start

There's a massive difference between the USA and Scotland in terms of how both countries are dealing with the virus.

[hibbyfraelibby]

In terms of the subs sitting in the bottom tier, that could be sorted by having a few stewards round them. There would only be 7(?) of them so you could put them in the bottom corner between the south and west stands if they're not allowed in the dugout area. There would only be around 700 fans in the south stand in my scenario so there should be easily enough space between the fans and the subs to prevent any potential trouble. We've had around 2,000 Hibs and Rangers fans in that stand before without any issues so I don't see that being a problem.

In terms of them getting changed, they would only be taking their training tops off so that could be done in their seats.

Its not just the subs but the dressing rooms are now in there so South is a no go area

[Keith_M]

It might not be as far away as we think. I seen last night that MLS game with Orlando and Atlanta had fans in the ground.
Maybe start to get some test cases on how to move this forward, will see that start


I'm not sure that sports opening up for fans in the US will be much of an indicator to what's going to happen in Scotland.

The Scottish Government have a very different approach to these things.

[Keith_M]

Its not just the subs but the dressing rooms are now in there so South is a no go area


The whole stand?

Surely they can cordon off an area for the players that would have little impact on the number of sections open to the fans?

[hibbyfraelibby]

After todays update on new cases I very much doubt there will be any further easing of lockdown over the coming weeks and given the demographic of those currently spreading the virus through reckless behaviour football had better prepare for the test events being called off as more areas get locked down again.

[JohnM1875]

Its not just the subs but the dressing rooms are now in there so South is a no go area

The home dressing rooms are in the West. Does that mean we can't open that stand either? Surely they could use the South Stand with some precautions in place.

[Sir David Gray]

Its not just the subs but the dressing rooms are now in there so South is a no go area

I know it's a whole other argument but that really is ridiculous that they can't use the normal away dressing room.

What difference will it make?

[erin go bragh]

Anyone know how the rugby test with fans at Murrayfield went ? I’ve not heard anything.

[Sir David Gray]

Anyone know how the rugby test with fans at Murrayfield went ? I’ve not heard anything.

Seems to have gone fine but again Murrayfield was only 1% full.

[marinello59]

After todays update on new cases I very much doubt there will be any further easing of lockdown over the coming weeks and given the demographic of those currently spreading the virus through reckless behaviour football had better prepare for the test events being called off as more areas get locked down again.

I think you are probably right. No Glasgow club can hold a test event now. That will probably apply to the Lanarkshire teams as well.

[Keith_M]

Anyone know how the rugby test with fans at Murrayfield went ? I’ve not heard anything.


There were no issues at the game, other than it apparently being totally boring.

[The dalmeny]

Seems to have gone fine but again Murrayfield was only 1% full.

only one stand was open and it looked most of the folk were in the lower east when has a capacity of around 6k iirc so around 12%. Was speaking to a guy yesterday who was there said it was fine, they had an allotted time to arrive and the steward controlled the exit. Not sure when SG findings will be published.

[Kaff]

Lower FF could be emptied by filtering out through the corner section with East stand, this would leave FF upper to use the usual exits. Similar could be done with other stands/sections using the corner areas to have easier exiting and reduce load on the normal exits

[Jones28]

Guys, it ain’t happening any time soon.

[B.H.F.C]

Lower FF could be emptied by filtering out through the corner section with East stand, this would leave FF upper to use the usual exits. Similar could be done with other stands/sections using the corner areas to have easier exiting and reduce load on the normal exits

I think Hibs have some things they could use to their advantage in terms of the way Easter Road is set up.

They have secure space out the back of the East and West stands that they could make use of if there is concerns about people crowding inside. They could potentially control what way people head when they leave the stadium, send people leaving the East round the back of the South to avoid walking right in to the crowd leaving the Famous Five for example.

[B.H.F.C]

Guys, it ain’t happening any time soon.

I remember folk saying that about pubs a couple of months ago.

[H18 SFR]

Guys, it ain’t happening any time soon.

Have the trials been cancelled?

[B.H.F.C]

Have the trials been cancelled?

They’ve no been given the go ahead yet.

[Stairway 2 7]

Holland have some fans in now, Poland will be going with 50% after finishing with 25 last season, uefa supercup will be 30% this month, England supposedly looking at building to 30 soon. Guess we'll just have to see how that goes for them

[marinello59]

Holland have some fans in now, Poland will be going with 50% after finishing with 25 last season, uefa supercup will be 30% this month, England supposedly looking at building to 30 soon. Guess we'll just have to see how that goes for them

Poland are on 50% now. I was at a lower league game last week.

[B.H.F.C]

Holland have some fans in now, Poland will be going with 50% after finishing with 25 last season, uefa supercup will be 30% this month, England supposedly looking at building to 30 soon. Guess we'll just have to see how that goes for them

2.5k at Brighton v Chelsea last week, the World Snooker Final had fans in a couple of weeks ago and 2.5k at the cricket during the week. It’s a start...

[Stairway 2 7]

Poland are on 50% now. I was at a lower league game last week.

How did you find it, lucky $%€£ 😆

[kaimendhibs]

There were 5000 at the Union Berlin game yesterday. One quarter of the capacity.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200906/93b86987eebe80be6e1eb29c49d271b3.jpg

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[TheGog]

There were 5000 at the Union Berlin game yesterday. One quarter of the capacity.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200906/93b86987eebe80be6e1eb29c49d271b3.jpg

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No social distancing in place😂

[marinello59]

How did you find it, lucky $%€£ 😆

Sat in the sunshine watching fitba whilst enjoying a beer? It was tough. :greengrin

[kaimendhibs]

No social distancing in place[emoji23][emoji85][emoji85][emoji23]

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[Bristolhibby]

2,700 were at the Twickenham Stoop to watch Bath smash Harlequins in the rugby yesterday.

J

[Keith_M]

There were 5000 at the Union Berlin game yesterday. One quarter of the capacity.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200906/93b86987eebe80be6e1eb29c49d271b3.jpg

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All that fuss about how to arrange people in seated areas... and they go and let them into the terracing, where they can stand wherever they want.


:faf:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Singing or no singing? Social distancing over once a team scores. They’ll nee to do something with the urinals (dividers? To prevent shedding apparently)

[Andy74]

All that fuss about how to arrange people in seated areas... and they go and let them into the terracing, where they can stand wherever they want.


:faf:

As far as I can see from my friends in the US just about every high school football game is back to this now - no masks or distancing in sight. The US has not exactly been the model to follow but it will be interesting to se if getting back to normal does lead to big increases in cases.

[Peevemor]

Singing or no singing? Social distancing over once a team scores. They’ll nee to do something with the urinals (dividers? To prevent shedding apparently)

Is that anything like cottaging?

[Keith_M]

Did anybody else notice the ad for Woolworths in the photo above?


:greengrin

[hibbyfraelibby]

The home dressing rooms are in the West. Does that mean we can't open that stand either? Surely they could use the South Stand with some precautions in place.

The whole concourse has been converted apparently putting the turnstiles, kiosks and toilets out of use

[hibbyfraelibby]

They’ve no been given the go ahead yet.

You can't cancel what hasn't been approve yet

[Betty Boop]

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/health/coronavirus/hundreds-told-self-isolate-after-28-people-test-positive-covid-19-following-charity-football-match-wearside-social-club-2963086

[H18 SFR]

You can't cancel what hasn't been approve yet

Really hoping it gets the go ahead. It will be such a lift for fans who wish to attend and get a chance in due course.

[The dalmeny]

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/health/coronavirus/hundreds-told-self-isolate-after-28-people-test-positive-covid-19-following-charity-football-match-wearside-social-club-2963086

I get the impression it was more to do with being at the WMC rather than the football

[The dalmeny]

No move to phase 4 on Thursday

[Keith_M]

No move to phase 4 on Thursday


I hope we're in phase 4 by May, so we can watch Hibs win the second of our two Scottish Cup victories this season.

[Sir David Gray]

No move to phase 4 on Thursday

That's not really a shock.

We'll be lucky to be in phase 4 this year.

[The dalmeny]

That's not really a shock.

We'll be lucky to be in phase 4 this year.

don’t think that’s unreasonable. The thing that frustrates me now I’d the genericness of the % tested positive. It may be 2.3% but suspect it’s higher in Glasgow at the moment and lower elsewhere.

[Jamesie]

No move to phase 4 on Thursday

From what I heard of today’s press conference, I’d be surprised if we see test events in football stadia this weekend (whilst appreciating the test events aren’t contingent on phase 4, the mood just struck me as far more cautious than of late).

[Sir David Gray]

From what I heard of today’s press conference, I’d be surprised if we see test events in football stadia this weekend (whilst appreciating the test events aren’t contingent on phase 4, the mood just struck me as far more cautious than of late).

"Brakes put on further changes" would suggest no crowds at sports events any time soon.

[Robbo6-2]

It's absolute nonsense that we cannot go into a open air stadium and maintain 2m social distance yet you can go into a indoor boozer where folk are that jaked by 10 o'clock social distancing goes out the window!

Sturgeon is an erse and the quicker she gets to Falkirk the better

[04Sauzee]

It's absolute nonsense that we cannot go into a open air stadium and maintain 2m social distance yet you can go into a indoor boozer where folk are that jaked by 10 o'clock social distancing goes out the window!

Sturgeon is an erse and the quicker she gets to Falkirk the better

Maybe football folk going to a game may go to the oub beforehand and get a little bit tipsy so social distancing and protocol at the football isn't as easily followed? I don't know?

[Sir David Gray]

It's absolute nonsense that we cannot go into a open air stadium and maintain 2m social distance yet you can go into a indoor boozer where folk are that jaked by 10 o'clock social distancing goes out the window!

Sturgeon is an erse and the quicker she gets to Falkirk the better

What's the good people of Falkirk done to deserve your outrage!? :greengrin

[we are hibs]

Aberdeen say the expect to be given permission tomorrow to host fans for the weekend

[B.H.F.C]

Aberdeen say the expect to be given permission tomorrow to host fans for the weekend

Still have no idea what crowds of that size test. That said, would be a step in the right direction and if it’s what is needed to tick a box, allowing us to move forward, then so be it.

[Keith_M]

Aberdeen say the expect to be given permission tomorrow to host fans for the weekend

Still have no idea what crowds of that size test. That said, would be a step in the right direction and if it’s what is needed to tick a box, allowing us to move forward, then so be it.


Limited numbers and very strict stewarding.



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[04Sauzee]

We are now expecting confirmation tomorrow that our application for a test event with 300 season ticket holders for Kilmarnock (12/9/20) has been successful.

750 fans for our match with Motherwell should also be confirmed later in the week.

Thanks for your patience! #StandFree https://t.co/lu5sAf4deB

[ancient hibee]

Aberdeen say the expect to be given permission tomorrow to host fans for the weekend

Wonder what they base that on?

[Since452]

300 fans in Pittodrie must be some sort of record

[Sir David Gray]

Aberdeen say the expect to be given permission tomorrow to host fans for the weekend

I'd be surprised based on what I heard today. Good news if true though.

[TheGog]

Maybe sounding a tad bitter but Aberdeen have just came out a 2nd lockdown i fail to see what merits that city to allow fans back in stadiums, surely they should be last

[TheGog]

Just hearing ST mirren have been given the green light to allow fans in for our game this weekend.

[hibbysam]

Maybe sounding a tad bitter but Aberdeen have just came out a 2nd lockdown i fail to see what merits that city to allow fans back in stadiums, surely they should be last

Couldn’t care who is first, we are away this weekend so doesn’t concern us. No non STH either so clubs aren’t making cash out of it. As long as we are at the front of talks and making sure our game the following week can have fans then I’m all for it.

[Sir David Gray]

Just hearing ST mirren have been given the green light to allow fans in for our game this weekend.

I'd be stunned if that was true, given they are part of the Greater Glasgow and Clyde area.

[Keith_M]

I'd be stunned if that was true, given they are part of the Greater Glasgow and Clyde area.


The restrictions last week were in East Renfrewshire, Glasgow and West Dunbartonshire.


Has Renfrewshire been added yet?

:dunno:

[Just Alf]

The restrictions last week were in East Renfrewshire, Glasgow and West Dunbartonshire.


Has Renfrewshire been added yet?

:dunno:

yup

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54059810

[Sir David Gray]

The restrictions last week were in East Renfrewshire, Glasgow and West Dunbartonshire.


Has Renfrewshire been added yet?

:dunno:

Yes from midnight tonight.

[Keith_M]

yup

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54059810


Yes from midnight tonight.


Cheers guys.

:aok:


Disappointing if it affects St Mirren's attempts to do a trial match with fans.

[Peevemor]

It's absolute nonsense that we cannot go into a open air stadium and maintain 2m social distance yet you can go into a indoor boozer where folk are that jaked by 10 o'clock social distancing goes out the window!

Sturgeon is an erse and the quicker she gets to Falkirk the betterBars and restaurants would probably still be closed if they weren't responsible for millions of jobs.

Would you prefer she closed them again?

[Sir David Gray]

Cheers guys.

:aok:


Disappointing if it affects St Mirren's attempts to do a trial match with fans.

If Rangers and Celtic aren't allowed to have fans during the restrictions, St Mirren won't be any different.

[Just Alf]

Cheers guys.

:aok:


Disappointing if it affects St Mirren's attempts to do a trial match with fans.

Yup, agreed.... desperate to see some sort of light on the horizon

[Robbo6-2]

Bars and restaurants would probably still be closed if they weren't responsible for millions of jobs.

Would you prefer she closed them again?

I would prefer to go to a football match than sit in a pub.

I don't see why you cant go to a football match but can travel on a train to Glasgow full with people?

Somebody needs to take a stand with the SFA and speak out just the same as airline companies etc are doing!

Its not right football is different to all other walks of life

[H18 SFR]

In a time when governments are performing more U turns than god knows what, might be time for some people power to speak up. I’d like to see a coordinated effort from fans groups to get involved.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The restrictions last week were in East Renfrewshire, Glasgow and West Dunbartonshire.


Has Renfrewshire been added yet?

:dunno:

Yes

[Peevemor]

I would prefer to go to a football match than sit in a pub.

I don't see why you cant go to a football match but can travel on a train to Glasgow full with people?

Somebody needs to take a stand with the SFA and speak out just the same as airline companies etc are doing!

Its not right football is different to all other walks of lifeWe're in the middle of a global pandemic. Personal preferences don't come into it.

All sorts of public gatherings have been and are being cancelled so you can hardly see that football is being treated differently.

Any excuse for a dig at Sturgeon though...

[18Craig75]

I would prefer to go to a football match than sit in a pub.

I don't see why you cant go to a football match but can travel on a train to Glasgow full with people?

Somebody needs to take a stand with the SFA and speak out just the same as airline companies etc are doing!

Its not right football is different to all other walks of life

Only you can’t travel on a *full* train through to Glasgow can you.

[Andy74]

Aberdeen should surely be last club in the queue for this.

[Scouse Hibee]

Aberdeen should surely be last club in the queue for this.

My thoughts exactly, Aberdeen itself has been in an imposed second lockdown, the football club had players that broke rules causing the postponement of games. Yet Aberdeen and the football club are to be the location for a proposed test event, you couldn’t make it up!

[ancient hibee]

I
My thoughts exactly, Aberdeen itself has been in an imposed second lockdown, the football club had players that broke rules causing the postponement of games. Yet Aberdeen and the football club are to be the location for a proposed test event, you couldn’t make it up!
Says who?

[green day]

In a time when governments are performing more U turns than god knows what, might be time for some people power to speak up. I’d like to see a coordinated effort from fans groups to get involved.

To what end?

If the Scottish Government and the health advisers decide something isnt happening then no bleating from the likes of the Scottish Football Supporters Association will change their minds.

[Antifa Hibs]

Whats the point in test matches? What does having 300 at Pittodrie actually prove?

[Keith_M]

Whats the point in test matches? What does having 300 at Pittodrie actually prove?


I'm not sure if it's the actual reason but I can only presume they feel they have to start with a very small number and gradually increase that over time, while observing at each stage whether it has an affect on the rates of infection.

Plus there's no way under the sun that the SG would allow them to start with a larger number, say 25% of capacity, so there's no point in even proposing it as a starting point.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's absolute nonsense that we cannot go into a open air stadium and maintain 2m social distance yet you can go into a indoor boozer where folk are that jaked by 10 o'clock social distancing goes out the window!

Sturgeon is an erse and the quicker she gets to Falkirk the better


You do realise that under current restrictions imposed by Nicolas Sturgeon she is unable to go anywhere let alone Falkirk.

[H18 SFR]

You do realise that under current restrictions imposed by Nicolas Sturgeon she is unable to go anywhere let alone Falkirk.

That's not the case, she can go anywhere she likes, just not into someone's house. She can meet that household in the pub though.

[aljo7-0]

Whats the point in test matches? What does having 300 at Pittodrie actually prove?

Well if it was Hearts being allowed to host 300 fans then we would hear no end of how they are the best supported club in Scotland. on the other hand it would actually involve a valid crowd size being announced.

[Peevemor]

Well if it was Hearts being allowed to host 300 fans then we would hear no end of how they are the best supported club in Scotland. on the other hand it would actually involve a valid crowd size being announced.

"Another full house at Tynecastle..."

[where'stheslope]

If the rate of infection carries on going up in Scotland, football itself could be brought to a halt!
I believe the current "R" number is at 1.2, up from 0.6 since lockdown was eased!
People are just going about everyday as if it is not happening, sooner everyone takes a wee bit more care, the sooner it will go back to normal!!
I'm not holding my breath for that!!!!

[ballengeich]

Whats the point in test matches? What does having 300 at Pittodrie actually prove?

It allows testing of revised security and crowd control procedures with small numbers at first. One way systems will be tryed out. When the Edinburgh v Glasgow rugby had a small crowd at the end they were required to leave a row at a time. Will football fans be amenable to keeping social distancing at the end given so many normally leave in disgust or to beat the rush long before the end?

[Sir David Gray]

You do realise that under current restrictions imposed by Nicolas Sturgeon she is unable to go anywhere let alone Falkirk.

She can go anywhere except another person's house, unless she has caring responsibilities.

[The dalmeny]

If the rate of infection carries on going up in Scotland, football itself could be brought to a halt!
I believe the current "R" number is at 1.2, up from 0.6 since lockdown was eased!
People are just going about everyday as if it is not happening, sooner everyone takes a wee bit more care, the sooner it will go back to normal!!
I'm not holding my breath for that!!!!

too simplistic as the reality is the r number will be different in different parts of Scotland. Still need people to be sensible though

[Lee Marvin]

If the rate of infection carries on going up in Scotland, football itself could be brought to a halt!
I believe the current "R" number is at 1.2, up from 0.6 since lockdown was eased!
People are just going about everyday as if it is not happening, sooner everyone takes a wee bit more care, the sooner it will go back to normal!!
I'm not holding my breath for that!!!!

I came on here to post something similar. It is starting to feel more and more like the beginning of a very hard few months again - nowhere near as bad as March/April but bad enough to put the brakes on any crowds near football games.

I've been saying it all along, I feel there is a huge chance that the Championship down may not even start. If the virus continues on this path, then the Gov could easily keep the requirements of testing and no crowds for a while yet. If this happens, I see no way in which Hearts will have teams to compete against. It's just not financially viable for their competitors.

[Keith_M]

.... I see no way in which Hearts will have teams to compete against. It's just not financially viable for their competitors.


I thought Benny Factor gave a 'donation' to the other clubs so they could afford to do testing?


:dunno:

[Greenio]

If the rate of infection carries on going up in Scotland, football itself could be brought to a halt!
I believe the current "R" number is at 1.2, up from 0.6 since lockdown was eased!
People are just going about everyday as if it is not happening, sooner everyone takes a wee bit more care, the sooner it will go back to normal!!
I'm not holding my breath for that!!!!

I worry it's going to take a lot more than a 'wee bit more care' to halt the increase.

If it's anything like the second wave was/is here in Melbourne, once the cat is out the bag, it just goes rampant. We're 5 weeks into an 8 week hard lockdown (curfew included) and it's taken this to get things back under control again.

Could be different, who knows, and I don't want to piss on anyones campfire, but having any football on at all should be the goal from now until xmas I'd say

[G B Young]

If the rate of infection carries on going up in Scotland, football itself could be brought to a halt!
I believe the current "R" number is at 1.2, up from 0.6 since lockdown was eased!
People are just going about everyday as if it is not happening, sooner everyone takes a wee bit more care, the sooner it will go back to normal!!
I'm not holding my breath for that!!!!

Couldn't agree more. Today's figures show new cases in all Scottish mainland areas as well as three deaths. Pubs and restaurants look to be heading for closure again after this week's review. I'm amazed we're even still talking about fans attending games at this time and I'm hopeful any such notion will be knocked on the head for now. I suspect the Scottish government are (understandably) keen to get sport back to some sort of normality in order to inject some cash into clubs, but it seems reckless to be thinking about allowing crowds back in the current climate.

[B.H.F.C]

Couldn't agree more. Today's figures show new cases in all Scottish mainland areas as well as three deaths. Pubs and restaurants look to be heading for closure again after this week's review. I'm amazed we're even still talking about fans attending games at this time and I'm hopeful any such notion will be knocked on the head for now. I suspect the Scottish government are (understandably) keen to get sport back to some sort of normality in order to inject some cash into clubs, but it seems reckless to be thinking about allowing crowds back in the current climate.

Not seen anything to suggest pubs (or wider hospitality) will close. Without furlough to support, that’s a lot of folk to put out of work.

[Radium]

https://spfl.co.uk/news/confirmation-of-fan-pilot-matches

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[04Sauzee]

BREAKING: Hibs' bid to be included in Scottish Government test events for fans returning to top flight matches has been knocked back by health chiefs

https://t.co/ZoHQrTHakX

[Sylar]

BREAKING: Hibs' bid to be included in Scottish Government test events for fans returning to top flight matches has been knocked back by health chiefs

https://t.co/ZoHQrTHakX

Not really a surprise at all.

Hope the fans who get into games this week and possibly next enjoy themselves, as the rate of increasing case numbers and resumption of registered deaths is going to see the brakes slammed hard in the coming weeks.

[Billy Whizz]

BREAKING: Hibs' bid to be included in Scottish Government test events for fans returning to top flight matches has been knocked back by health chiefs

https://t.co/ZoHQrTHakX

It’s a bit misleading headline

[Peevemor]

BREAKING: Hibs' bid to be included in Scottish Government test events for fans returning to top flight matches has been knocked back by health chiefs

https://t.co/ZoHQrTHakX

Badly worded - I wouldn't say that it was "Hibs' bid" at all given the match is in Paisley.


Hibernian's bid to be included in Scottish Government test events for fans returning to top flight matches has been knocked back by health chiefs.


The Easter Road side were hoping Saturday's Premiership clash with St Mirren in Paisley would be opened to home supporters as the Scottish game looks to return to a sense of normality amid the coronavirus pandemic.

[B.H.F.C]

Not really a surprise at all.

Hope the fans who get into games this week and possibly next enjoy themselves, as the rate of increasing case numbers and resumption of registered deaths is going to see the brakes slammed hard in the coming weeks.

Strange article, would be St Mirren’s bid.

Hopefully Hibs are looking to do similar next week though.

[we are hibs]

Aberdeen doing it via a ballot but if you apply and are sucessful then thats you until all other season ticket holders have attended/been offered the option to go.

[Keith_M]

Aberdeen doing it via a ballot but if you apply and are sucessful then thats you until all other season ticket holders have attended/been offered the option to go.


Sounds reasonable.

[Largshibby]

https://spfl.co.uk/news/confirmation-of-fan-pilot-matches

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So Aberdeen get to host the first match with supporters in attendance thereby showing guidance and good practice that the rest of us can in turn follow? Oh the irony!

[Sir David Gray]

I'm stunned, albeit encouraged, that this is still going ahead this weekend.

[lugz]

This looks like its going to be a very long drawn out process, can't see how we get from 300 to 20k or in the case of the old firm 50/60k this season.

[B.H.F.C]

This looks like its going to be a very long drawn out process, can't see how we get from 300 to 20k or in the case of the old firm 50/60k this season.

Was never going to be anything else other than a long process. And there will probably be a point, or points, along the way where they have to take a step back or stop it all together.

An advantage for Scottish football is that, with the exception of the Old Firm, we don’t really need to get close to 100% of capacity to accommodate season ticket holders. In our case, it’s less than 60% of capacity.

[wandering_hibee]

Looks like it is only "local" season ticket holders that are included and so living North of Perth don't see myself back anytime soon. Oh well at least it means I can watch from the sofa :confused:

[B.H.F.C]

Looks like it is only "local" season ticket holders that are included and so living North of Perth don't see myself back anytime soon. Oh well at least it means I can watch from the sofa :confused:

Aberdeen haven’t said anything along those lines, only that you had to have bought your season ticket before a certain date to enter the first ballot.

[Scouse Hibee]

I
Says who?

I said it.

[hibbyfraelibby]

BREAKING: Hibs' bid to be included in Scottish Government test events for fans returning to top flight matches has been knocked back by health chiefs

https://t.co/ZoHQrTHakX

Read the story and never trust this media outlet or its clickbait headlines.

1. Hibs are not at home on the test date
2. St. Mirren are in Paisley
3. Paisley is back into "lockdown" sort of
4. Health Chiefs never said a dicky bird to Hibs

[hibby6270]

BREAKING: Hibs' bid to be included in Scottish Government test events for fans returning to top flight matches has been knocked back by health chiefs

https://t.co/ZoHQrTHakX

Edinburgh Live? Pah!!
I’d trust reading a similar article in the Currant Bun or Daily Ranger more than the EL website! :rolleyes:

[hibbyfraelibby]

Edinburgh Live? Pah!!
I’d trust reading a similar article in the Currant Bun or Daily Ranger more than the EL website! :rolleyes:

You do realise they are part of the same group as the Daily Ranger/Rebel...

[Sir David Gray]

Aberdeen haven’t said anything along those lines, only that you had to have bought your season ticket before a certain date to enter the first ballot.

Both home clubs must ensure supporters are from their local areas and must provide a post-match report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54061580

[K-Zazu]

300 fans what’s the point? Getting the feeling it could be years until Easter road is packed again

[Sir David Gray]

300 fans what’s the point? Getting the feeling it could be years until Easter road is packed again

It will certainly be months.

[Lago]

[QUOTE=Sir David Gray;6293854]It will certainly be months.
Many months

[EI255]

Ross County manger S Kettlewell says Celtic will be intimidated by a couple of hundred Ross County fans in the ground on Saturday.

Hmmm.... I beg to differ!

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[hibby6270]

You do realise they are part of the same group as the Daily Ranger/Rebel...

......explains a lot. :agree:

[SteveHFC]

Aberdeen only letting fans in from the Aberdeen area.

I wonder if Hibs will do the same.

[Andy74]

Aberdeen only letting fans in from the Aberdeen area.

I wonder if Hibs will do the same.

Would prefer it if we stick to Edinburgh and the surrounding area.

[Sir David Gray]

Aberdeen only letting fans in from the Aberdeen area.

I wonder if Hibs will do the same.

I don't think they'll have a choice in the matter.

Utter nonsense.

[Robbo6-2]

I don't think they'll have a choice in the matter.

Utter nonsense.

Nonsense?

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think they'll have a choice in the matter.

Utter nonsense.

The below quote from Ross County is interesting.

“This is a ‘test’ event and not the beginning of our ‘Return to Supporters Plan’ and thus comes with much wider focus and direction from the Scottish Government and the governing bodies. This will include direction on access & egress to and from the stadium, seating allocation, protocols for the period of time spent within the stadium and more”

If we get past the point where it is considered a test event I’m not sure that there will be any kind of restriction on where the ticket holder needs to live, unless there are wider travel restrictions which apply to everyone.

[Sir David Gray]

Nonsense?

Yes limiting the numbers to people who live within a certain distance from the stadium.

You're either allowed to travel more than 5 miles for leisure purposes or you're not.

You're talking about 300 people attending at the moment, where's the problem in allowing people from further afield (other season ticket holders) to travel to the game and sit in a 20,000 seater stadium with 299 other people?

You're not talking about thousands of people coming into Edinburgh on trains and buses which may cause problems with crowds gathering on public transport.

It's a test event - it should be getting used to test the full event, which for me includes the before, during and after processes and that includes replicating (albeit on a much smaller scale) how people normally travel to and from the stadium.

[Robbo6-2]

Yes limiting the numbers to people who live within a certain distance from the stadium.

You're either allowed to travel more than 5 miles for leisure purposes or you're not.

You're talking about 300 people attending at the moment, where's the problem in allowing people from further afield (other season ticket holders) to travel to the game and sit in a 20,000 seater stadium with 299 other people?

You're not talking about thousands of people coming into Edinburgh on trains and buses which may cause problems with crowds gathering on public transport.

It's a test event - it should be getting used to test the full event, which for me includes the before, during and after processes and that includes replicating (albeit on a much smaller scale) how people normally travel to and from the stadium.

100% agree

[hibbyfraelibby]

Yes limiting the numbers to people who live within a certain distance from the stadium.

You're either allowed to travel more than 5 miles for leisure purposes or you're not.

You're talking about 300 people attending at the moment, where's the problem in allowing people from further afield (other season ticket holders) to travel to the game and sit in a 20,000 seater stadium with 299 other people?

You're not talking about thousands of people coming into Edinburgh on trains and buses which may cause problems with crowds gathering on public transport.

It's a test event - it should be getting used to test the full event, which for me includes the before, during and after processes and that includes replicating (albeit on a much smaller scale) how people normally travel to and from the stadium.

I don't think you are grasping what test event means. Think of it like a drugs trial, say like a vaccine.

1. You select a small number of people to 'test' the initial batch. You know their history [=300 known people]
2. You run the test and you review the results [= you get someone in your trial coming down with Covid in 14 days you test and protect rest]
3. Evaluate the results
4. Apply lessons on a larger population sample and re-run as per 2. above
5. Repeat stage 3
6. Launch pre-release batch to a larger but still restricted population and model expected results against a risk assessment
7. Re-evaluate outcomes against modelling.
8. Launch approved batch.

With a drug that can take years, with football crowds the timescales align to Covid reviews so expect each step to take 3 weeks and only to progress is gate criteria are met.

[Sir David Gray]

I don't think you are grasping what test event means. Think of it like a drugs trial, say like a vaccine.

1. You select a small number of people to 'test' the initial batch. You know their history [=300 known people]
2. You run the test and you review the results [= you get someone in your trial coming down with Covid in 14 days you test and protect rest]
3. Evaluate the results
4. Apply lessons on a larger population sample and re-run as per 2. above
5. Repeat stage 3
6. Launch pre-release batch to a larger but still restricted population and model expected results against a risk assessment
7. Re-evaluate outcomes against modelling.
8. Launch approved batch.

With a drug that can take years, with football crowds the timescales align to Covid reviews so expect each step to take 3 weeks and only to progress is gate criteria are met.

That still doesn't explain why people from outside the stadium's local area can't attend.

[marinello59]

Would prefer it if we stick to Edinburgh and the surrounding area.

Not so good for the club when the refund requests start to go in.

[Andy74]

Not so good for the club when the refund requests start to go in.

I maybe wasn’t clear enough that I meant we shouldn’t be letting only fans from the Aberdeen area in. :greengrin

[marinello59]

I maybe wasn’t clear enough that I meant we shouldn’t be letting only fans from the Aberdeen area in. :greengrin

My very own whoosh moment then. Thankfully nobody will have noticed. :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=08

Some reasonable and expected measures in there - although I'm not sure why a mask is required for the full game if social distancing is in place and you can't talk to anyone or sing etc.

[green&left]

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=08

Some reasonable and expected measures in there - although I'm not sure why a mask is required for the full game if social distancing is in place and you can't talk to anyone or sing etc.

Reading that, take it its safe to say there will be no fans or a couple of thousand max at Hampden in 6-7 weeks time for the semi final?

Can see next to none of that being adhered to for a semi final at Hampden against them.

[we are hibs]

Good luck stopping people shouting at the clowns we have as referees

[Keith_M]

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=08

Some reasonable and expected measures in there - although I'm not sure why a mask is required for the full game if social distancing is in place and you can't talk to anyone or sing etc.


It has nothing to do with health...


https://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/9/9/20/f_celtic20fanm_37e142a.jpg

[EdinMike]

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=08

Some reasonable and expected measures in there - although I'm not sure why a mask is required for the full game if social distancing is in place and you can't talk to anyone or sing etc.

I keep forgetting that Banderson blocked me for talking sense and it cheers me up everytime I’m reminded 😂

[H18 SFR]

I stay in Ayr, I can get in my car and drive to Easter Road without stopping or interacting with anyone. Someone that stays at Northfield can get in their car and drive to Easter Road without stopping or interacting with anyone.

Why should the person who stays locally be given priority over someone who doesn't? Is there some evidence backed reason contributing to this as a rule as per the BBC article?

[hibbyfraelibby]

That still doesn't explain why people from outside the stadium's local area can't attend.

It does. It is a controlled population. If there is an outbreak it is contained with in the community from which they are drawn and can be managed. Stop being obtuse and just accept there are people who know what they are doing who dont get their scientific advice from Shug from Shettleston and have a wider view than the narrow focus of a football supporter who is going cold turkey

[K-Zazu]

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=08

Some reasonable and expected measures in there - although I'm not sure why a mask is required for the full game if social distancing is in place and you can't talk to anyone or sing etc.

The games a bogey now

[Moulin Yarns]

It does. It is a controlled population. If there is an outbreak it is contained with in the community from which they are drwan and cab be managed. Stop being obtuse and just accept there are people who know what they are doing who dont get their scientific advice from Shug from Shettlestob and have a wider view than the narrow focus of a football supporter who is going cold turkey

The next question will be how diverse the 300 will be? will there be women, children, LGBTQ+ and registered disabled at the game. If not it will not truly test the systems in place.










Totally tongue in cheek. :wink:

[Sir David Gray]

It does. It is a controlled population. If there is an outbreak it is contained with in the community from which they are drwan and cab be managed. Stop being obtuse and just accept there are people who know what they are doing who dont get their scientific advice from Shug from Shettlestob and have a wider view than the narrow focus of a football supporter who is going cold turkey

I'm sorry but it doesn't and despite your personal digs, which I'll rise above, it still doesn't explain why going to a football match is any different to any other activity.

Going by the measures that are going to be in place this weekend, there's more chance of catching Covid-19 in the street than there is of catching it at the football.

People are allowed to go shopping or dining in Edinburgh this weekend regardless of where they are in the country. The social distancing inside a shop or restaurant will be nothing like it will be inside the football grounds this weekend. What if there's an outbreak in the shop or restaurant? The people affected in a restaurant should be contactable and told to isolate, although not sure about a shop.

The same would happen if there was an outbreak from the game although considering it's outside and people will be a considerable distance from others, I'd say it's much safer than an indoor environment like a shop or restaurant.

[Billy Whizz]

I stay in Ayr, I can get in my car and drive to Easter Road without stopping or interacting with anyone. Someone that stays at Northfield can get in their car and drive to Easter Road without stopping or interacting with anyone.

Why should the person who stays locally be given priority over someone who doesn't? Is there some evidence backed reason contributing to this as a rule as per the BBC article?

Everyone will get a chance to go to a game at some stage. If you get in 1st time, means you might not get back into Easter Rd, for another number of home games

[H18 SFR]

Everyone will get a chance to go to a game at some stage. If you get in 1st time, means you might not get back into Easter Rd, for another number of home games

The article says the guidance is 'locals' only!

[Keith_M]

I've got a funny feeling I'm going to be watching my local team, Queens Park, before I attend a Hibs game this season.

[marinello59]

It does. It is a controlled population. If there is an outbreak it is contained with in the community from which they are drawn and can be managed. Stop being obtuse and just accept there are people who know what they are doing who dont get their scientific advice from Shug from Shettleston and have a wider view than the narrow focus of a football supporter who is going cold turkey

If the Scottish Government really believed that outbreaks should be contained locally Glaswegians would be facing the same travel restrictions as Aberdeen did wouldn’t they?

[Keith_M]

If the Scottish Government really believed that outbreaks should be contained locally Glaswegians would be facing the same travel restrictions as Aberdeen did wouldn’t they?


Did Aberdonians have travel restrictions? I thought it was just pubs and clubs that had closed down.

:dunno:

[G15 Hibs]

Did Aberdonians have travel restrictions? I thought it was just pubs and clubs that had closed down.

:dunno:

This is what came in there on 5 August: https://www.gov.scot/news/local-restrictions-introduced-in-aberdeen/

"People in Aberdeen City are asked not to meet other households indoors or travel more than five miles for leisure or recreational purposes."

[marinello59]

Did Aberdonians have travel restrictions? I thought it was just pubs and clubs that had closed down.

:dunno:

Yeap. Not allowed to travel more than five miles and visits into the city were banned except for work etc.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I'm sorry but it doesn't and despite your personal digs, which I'll rise above, it still doesn't explain why going to a football match is any different to any other activity.

Going by the measures that are going to be in place this weekend, there's more chance of catching Covid-19 in the street than there is of catching it at the football.

People are allowed to go shopping or dining in Edinburgh this weekend regardless of where they are in the country. The social distancing inside a shop or restaurant will be nothing like it will be inside the football grounds this weekend. What if there's an outbreak in the shop or restaurant? The people affected in a restaurant should be contactable and told to isolate, although not sure about a shop.

The same would happen if there was an outbreak from the game although considering it's outside and people will be a considerable distance from others, I'd say it's much safer than an indoor environment like a shop or restaurant.

What is different about football?

1. In churches you are prohibited from singing hymns
2. Choirs are prohibited from performing
3. Music lessons for wind instruments require 5m distancing
4. Background music banned in pubs etc

Those four measures are in place because projection of droplet containing the virus are projected further, even if wearing a mask, when you sing or chant or blow or have to shout to be heard.

Show me a football fan who does not cheer, boo, chant shout etc at some stage during a game

People are not social distancing in crowded places because those places they are attending have not been specifically designed for it, just like stadia. People ingnore rules or are compromised by others doing so.

Football fans are notorious for rigidly sticking to ground rules are they not?

The criteria for circulation access and egress is built around getting people out safely and quickly in an emergency not have get them out in a chorographed manner.

Football fans, some of whom enjoy a beverage or two, alcoholic or otherwise are notorious for being able to control their bladders long enough so as to stay seated for over 2 hour aren't they.

In shops etc you dont get "emotionally overcome" or have moments of madness when you see a product on a shelf and lose it running about jumping up and down hugging strangers, just like football fans dont. Right?


We have no impirical evidence, yet, of the incidence and risks from crowds in stadia behaving differently, which they will, than they do in other environments. (Other than Cheltenham caused a surge in England and Ireland)

It is why you start small, risk assess, review, build on the outcomes, and repeat and build until you hit the toi risky level. At present that is an unknown so you proceed cautiously with planned, controlled steps.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The article says the guidance is 'locals' only!

That's Ibrox and Darkheid goosed then

[lyonhibs]

Having seen the guidelines and restrictions issued to Aberdeen fans, sod that for a bloody laugh. Absolutely no point in returning to football under that level of restrictions as you'd get about 5% of the matchday experience.

[H18 SFR]

Having seen the guidelines and restrictions issued to Aberdeen fans, sod that for a bloody laugh. Absolutely no point in returning to football under that level of restrictions as you'd get about 5% of the matchday experience.

I've not been able to find any details, any chance of a link mate?

[Phil MaGlass]

It could help boost attendaces at lower league clubs, with fitba fans wanting any fitba experience they can get.

[ancient hibee]

It could help boost attendaces at lower league clubs, with fitba fans wanting any fitba experience they can get.

What makes you think lower league clubs will get the opportunity to have spectators?

[FilipinoHibs]

With UK government announcing today for England only (Scotland likely to follow) a maximum of 6 people can gather indoors or outdoors and likely to last till end of year, think watching live is probably not going to happen to at least next season. Big financial implications again.

[Moulin Yarns]

With UK government announcing today for England only (Scotland likely to follow) a maximum of 6 people can gather indoors or outdoors and likely to last till end of year, think watching live is probably not going to happen to at least next season. Big financial implications again.

Off topic, but did you have something read out on Off the Ball at the weekend?

[Keith_M]

This is what came in there on 5 August: https://www.gov.scot/news/local-restrictions-introduced-in-aberdeen/

"People in Aberdeen City are asked not to meet other households indoors or travel more than five miles for leisure or recreational purposes."


Yeap. Not allowed to travel more than five miles and visits into the city were banned except for work etc.


Cheers, I obviously don't keep up with all the news

[lyonhibs]

[QUOhttps://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=19TE=H18 SFR;6294211]I've not been able to find any details, any chance of a link mate?[/QUOTE]

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=19

[Bishop Hibee]

‘No shouting’ is ridiculous. All the coaching staff are shouting instructions all the time. Fans are outside and will be miles from the pitch and each other.

[Chorley Hibee]

UK government now allowing thousands to descend upon Doncaster racecourse for the St Leger I see.

One rule for elitist sport and one rule for the pleb sports then, or the fact that Dido Harding just happens to conveniently sit on the Jockey Club board too.

Corrupt to the core.

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1303601085106524160?s=08

Some reasonable and expected measures in there - although I'm not sure why a mask is required for the full game if social distancing is in place and you can't talk to anyone or sing etc.

Some of those rules are a joke.

I would rather sit at home and watch it if that’s what’s it’s going to be like.

[The dalmeny]

Some of those rules are a joke.

I would rather sit at home and watch it if that’s what’s it’s going to be like.

there will be plenty people happy to take your place I suspect

[danhibees1875]

Some of those rules are a joke.

I would rather sit at home and watch it if that’s what’s it’s going to be like.

Any in particular you don't like?

I imagine some people won't enjoy the no singing/chanting ones but with 300 spaced out people then a lack of football atmosphere was probably relatively likely regardless and something I'm happy to live without given current circumstances.

Generally I think the rules make enough sense for what needs to happen. I'd just like to see more than 300 people sooner rather than later.

I'm not so sure about this staggered exit stuff though - what if we're getting thumped. :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

UK government now allowing thousands to descend upon Doncaster racecourse for the St Leger I see.

One rule for elitist sport and one rule for the pleb sports then, or the fact that Dido Harding just happens to conveniently sit on the Jockey Club board too.

Corrupt to the core.
I think that’s behind closed doors now as well.

[Del Boy]

I think that’s behind closed doors now as well.

Yeah, back behind closed doors from tomorrow. I can’t see numbers in football stadiums increasing above 1000 anytime soon, in Scotland or England.

[supermcginn]

UK government now allowing thousands to descend upon Doncaster racecourse for the St Leger I see.

One rule for elitist sport and one rule for the pleb sports then, or the fact that Dido Harding just happens to conveniently sit on the Jockey Club board too.

Corrupt to the core.
Doncaster is owned by ARC, it has absolutely nothing to do with the jockey club, its a huge rival in fact.

[Silky]

Some of those rules are a joke.

I would rather sit at home and watch it if that’s what’s it’s going to be like.

There are none which jump out at me as being "a joke". These are test events, folk can't just turn up and watch the game as normal. I'd happily go through a similar process to get back into ER.

For all the dismissing of these rules, I've never seen any counter proposals? Wonder why?

[Hiber-nation]

There are none which jump out at me as being "a joke". These are test events, folk can't just turn up and watch the game as normal. I'd happily go through a similar process to get back into ER.

For all the dismissing of these rules, I've never seen any counter proposals? Wonder why?

Spot on. Going to ER and seeing the game live under these circumstances is for me miles better than sitting in front of the telly.

[Sir David Gray]

There are none which jump out at me as being "a joke". These are test events, folk can't just turn up and watch the game as normal. I'd happily go through a similar process to get back into ER.

For all the dismissing of these rules, I've never seen any counter proposals? Wonder why?

Attending something as emotive as a football match as a supporter and being discouraged from supporting your team through cheering and singing etc during the 90 minutes seems a bit silly.

They would have been as well getting 300 random volunteers with no interest in football to go and sit in the stand if all they wanted to do was test the logistics of having people in the stadium.

[G15 Hibs]

Attending something as emotive as a football match as a supporter and being discouraged from supporting your team through cheering and singing etc during the 90 minutes seems a bit silly.

They would have been as well getting 300 random volunteers with no interest in football to go and sit in the stand if all they wanted to do was test the logistics of having people in the stadium.

Maybe part of the test is to find out if folk can follow the rules.

[danhibees1875]

Attending something as emotive as a football match as a supporter and being discouraged from supporting your team through cheering and singing etc during the 90 minutes seems a bit silly.

They would have been as well getting 300 random volunteers with no interest in football to go and sit in the stand if all they wanted to do was test the logistics of having people in the stadium.

I think we just need to accept that we're going to have to do things in less than ideal ways at the moment. Much like a lot of other things.

I'll be the - locally sourced fyi :wink: - random volunteer to go to the game if you happen to be included in a trial for a Hibs game though. Always happy to help. :greengrin

[The 90+2]

Some of those rules are a joke.

I would rather sit at home and watch it if that’s what’s it’s going to be like.

Nae farting - it may tempt someone for unnecessary smelling.

[JohnM1875]

Wonder how Hibs will do it when were allowed back too.

Will they ask us for groups we sit in as long as its within a number of households, and group them together? Or, more probably will it just all be on an individual basis?

If it is on an individual basis I think I'd pass the opportunity up and let someone who wants to go alone.

A lot of the match day experience for me is meeting up with my small group before, during and after the game to discuss etc. And whilst the streaming is on offer, it gives us an opportunity to do just that.

[The 90+2]

Wonder how Hibs will do it when were allowed back too.

Will they ask us for groups we sit in as long as its within a number of households, and group them together? Or, more probably will it just all be on an individual basis?

If it is on an individual basis I think I'd pass the opportunity up and let someone who wants to go alone.

A lot of the match day experience for me is meeting up with my small group before, during and after the game to discuss etc. And whilst the streaming is on offer, it gives us an opportunity to do just that.

Don’t know but if all this **** (I know! and I back the guidellines) I won’t be wanting to attend anyway.

[JohnM1875]

Don’t know but if all this **** (I know! and I back the guidellines) I won’t be wanting to attend anyway.

I know what you mean! Definitely doesn't sound like an overly enjoyable experience. Other than watch Hibs of course!