What's the chances of fans going back in September?

[Scouse Hibee]

Renewals first
New ST holders pick up the scraps, only fair.

[Eyrie]

If the club were making a loss on games to allow a few thousand fans in then it’s got to be a no. Ballot like most of you have said is fair enough I suppose.

The club will automatically make a loss on the games because only season ticket holders will be able to attend, so there will be no matchday income to offset against the costs of holding the game eg stewarding.

It wouldn't surprise me if the kiosks are kept closed to avoid queues in the concourses and stewards would control how many people could access the toilets at any one time. Ideally they'd want to control the rush for the exits at full time but not sure that could be done.

I'd think allowing half the season ticket holders to attend each game would be viable. The easiest way would be to assign everyone to either Group 1 or Group 2, with members of the same network in the same group, and then assign a seat to each person/group that maintains distancing which would mean not getting your own seat.

Group 1 would get half the fixtures plus Celtc and Group 2 would get the other half plus Sevco.

This would allow 5,500 fans at each game, which would mean about 5000 actually in attendance if the usual 10% estimate of season tickets can't attend. That could be higher as some of our more vulnerable fans may decide not to risk it.

[Sir David Gray]

Ta found it
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talksport.com/football/747453/how-many-fans-premier-league-club-stadiums-one-metre-social-distancing-coronavirus/amp/


This bit
Capacity will be limited and those attending will have to adhere to new codes of behaviour which may mean no singing or shouting so as to respect social distancing measures.

The no singing seems like speculation. I don't see how it's enforceable and if you're outside and completely separated from anyone not in your own household then I don't see the problem.

If that rule is going to be enforced, they would be as well not bothering with football crowds for the foreseeable future as that would just never work.

[Moulin Yarns]

As the guidance has the risk of infection if you are on close proximity for more than 15 minutes maybe allow fans in, and every 10 to 15 minutes a tune is played over the tannoy and the crowd gets up and moves about and when the music stops you all dash for a seat. That means people are less likely to be next to the same person for more than 15 minutes at a time.

You could add a bit of interest by having 1 less seat each time. I can't believe someone hasn't thought of that before. :greengrin

[ancient hibee]

Presumably the south and west stands will be closed because that is where the players and other staff are.

[blackpoolhibs]

As the guidance has the risk of infection if you are on close proximity for more than 15 minutes maybe allow fans in, and every 10 to 15 minutes a tune is played over the tannoy and the crowd gets up and moves about and when the music stops you all dash for a seat. That means people are less likely to be next to the same person for more than 15 minutes at a time.

You could add a bit of interest by having 1 less seat each time. I can't believe someone hasn't thought of that before. :greengrin
:faf::top marks

[Sir David Gray]

Presumably the south and west stands will be closed because that is where the players and other staff are.

I would doubt it. If the permitted number is going to be something like 5000 people then I'd expect them to want them to be as widely spread out as possible.

Of course if the number's much lower then that would be a possibility.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Ta found it
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talksport.com/football/747453/how-many-fans-premier-league-club-stadiums-one-metre-social-distancing-coronavirus/amp/


This bit
Capacity will be limited and those attending will have to adhere to new codes of behaviour which may mean no singing or shouting so as to respect social distancing measures.

Did folks see the social distancing when Sevilla scored? Out the window. No singing? Unenforceable from a practical perspective and if not taken care a wedge between season ticket holders and the club if the sanction is to warn/suspend access. Bit of a minefield. But gotta take steps to reintroduce. Virus ain’t going away any time soon

[Sir David Gray]

Did folks see the social distancing when Sevilla scored? Out the window. No singing? Unenforceable from a practical perspective and if not taken care a wedge between season ticket holders and the club if the sanction is to warn/suspend access. Bit of a minefield. But gotta take steps to reintroduce. Virus ain’t going away any time soon

If singing is banned it's not going to be a decision made by Hibs.

[CockneyRebel]

Glory hunter ��


You rang?

[we are hibs]

Hun in my work said some of them have had emails saying which home games they've been selected for.

[Keith_M]

No singing allowed shouldn't be a problem at ER.



:wink:

[hibbysam]

Depends on how strictly the club have been told to enforce things and whether or not your father in law is asked to prove that he lives alone and therefore eligible to form an extended household/bubble before he would be allowed to attend with you. They might not go as far as that and just stick to actual household groups going together.

I agree they're not insurmountable but I was just querying these points with the poster who described as being "quite simple" to arrange.

I never said the logistics of a ballot was simple, that’s for the club to sort out, but the decision to have a ballot than not have anyone in at all is simple and the fairest way.

Like a previous poster said, if it was 50% then of course have half one week half the other. Although the questions you posed are probably fairly simple for the club to sort. No bubbles, just households only, and based on the address on the database.

[Frazerbob]

Eddie Hearn last night was saying he expects given the go ahead next month to have fans at boxing events in October.

[04Sauzee]

EFL agree deal with Sky Sports allowing clubs in all three divisions to stream every match next season until stadiums at least 50 per cent full. Clubs to keep the revenue with Sky waiving compensation rights for loss of exclusivity. https://t.co/KOmEu0MB6v

[hibee]

I've never been to Knockhill, how easy would it be for 200 people to attend whilst remaining socially distanced?

I'm assuming their regular ticket holders are their equivalent of our walk up fans? If so I'm not sure why they wouldn't favour their season ticket holders.

In terms of football, I certainly don't expect huge numbers to begin with, probably about 1000 or so.

Yes, very easy to social distance, the area is huge and outdoors so could easily have accommodated their 600+ loyal season ticket holders.

They’ve already sold many thousand more tickets as people travel to these events from all over the country and beyond, the tickets are usually on sale up to a year in advance so will have been purchased before the lockdown.

[Billy Whizz]

Presumably the south and west stands will be closed because that is where the players and other staff are.

The South has been getting used for the away teams changing rooms I think

[PatHead]

The South has been getting used for the away teams changing rooms I think

Could use the upper south?

[Sir David Gray]

I never said the logistics of a ballot was simple, that’s for the club to sort out, but the decision to have a ballot than not have anyone in at all is simple and the fairest way.

Like a previous poster said, if it was 50% then of course have half one week half the other. Although the questions you posed are probably fairly simple for the club to sort. No bubbles, just households only, and based on the address on the database.

Apologies I have obviously misunderstood your "Would be a ballot. Quite simple." comment.

Re not allowing extended households, I'm not sure that would be very fair at all considering the whole point of them is to allow people who live alone to get social interaction and is allowed in every other aspect of life at the moment.

If people can't go with an extended household then what happens to an elderly person who has no other means of getting to games other than with a son or daughter etc?

[Daydreamer]

Had heard that its doubtful that concessions will get in as the over 65's are more at risk and kids are asymptomatic. No doubt that will get some peoples backs right up.

[18Craig75]

Will this mean that hospitality could open, albeit at reduced numbers? Big spaces and easily to socially distanced.

Could be a nice money maker for the club, I’d definitely upgrade the season ticket to hospitality with my group at least once!

[Steven79]

Had heard that its doubtful that concessions will get in as the over 65's are more at risk and kids are asymptomatic. No doubt that will get some peoples backs right up.You can't ban someone who paid their money because of their age.

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[hibee_girl]

Had heard that its doubtful that concessions will get in as the over 65's are more at risk and kids are asymptomatic. No doubt that will get some peoples backs right up.

I doubt that’s true considering both age groups are free to do things now (within the same restrictions as us all)

My Grandad would massively kick off if he wasn’t allowed in because of his age :greengrin

[The dalmeny]

I doubt that’s true considering both age groups are free to do things now (within the same restrictions as us all)

My Grandad would massively kick off if he wasn’t allowed in because of his age :greengrin


and so he should, he’s old enough to decide if it’s safe to go

[Keith_M]

If the club were making a loss on games to allow a few thousand fans in then it’s got to be a no. Ballot like most of you have said is fair enough I suppose.


Hibs have sold 11,000 tickets.

Allowing some of them to attend games they've actually paid for can't be described as 'making a loss'

[Heisenberg]

Will this mean that hospitality could open, albeit at reduced numbers? Big spaces and easily to socially distanced.

Could be a nice money maker for the club, I’d definitely upgrade the season ticket to hospitality with my group at least once!

I would imagine hospitality ST holders will be one of the first groups back. They’ve been back in the suites to watch away games a couple of times now.

[lord bunberry]

What’s the point of the away teams not using the away dressing room? They don’t social distance after they come out of the changing room.

[hibee_girl]

and so he should, he’s old enough to decide if it’s safe to go

:agree:

[Sir David Gray]

What’s the point of the away teams not using the away dressing room? They don’t social distance after they come out of the changing room.

I've made similar points in the past, it just strikes me as the football world wanting to do something to make a statement. It makes zero sense, clinical or otherwise.

Similar to the Chelsea players being unable to pick up their runners up medals after the FA Cup final due to "Covid protocols". Even although for 90 minutes they had been up close and personal with the Arsenal players and they had all been cuddling each other at full time.

It's all a nonsense.

[Sir David Gray]

Had heard that its doubtful that concessions will get in as the over 65's are more at risk and kids are asymptomatic. No doubt that will get some peoples backs right up.

That would be ridiculous, no way that's true for over 65s.

[lord bunberry]

I've made similar points in the past, it just strikes me as the football world wanting to do something to make a statement. It makes zero sense, clinical or otherwise.

Similar to the Chelsea players being unable to pick up their runners up medals after the FA Cup final due to "Covid protocols". Even although for 90 minutes they had been up close and personal with the Arsenal players and they had all been cuddling each other at full time.

It's all a nonsense.
I agree, I can’t see any good reason for it, it’s the same with substitutes sitting with face masks on.

[Carheenlea]

If singing is banned it's not going to be a decision made by Hibs.

Quite looking forward to hearing what some of our terrace chanting will sound like through masks. Won’t be spine-tingling I suspect.

[Jones28]

So where do you start? Clubs may need to have test events to show they can handle any restrictions.

I think the Knockhill decision as laid out here is poor, they’re depriving 200 folk attending and the chance to prep for a greater number at future events too under the ‘can’t find a fair way to choose the 200. I wonder if there’s a financial aspect as you’ve mentioned above.

fans need to screw the nut too. I get an underlying feeling there’s an element of ‘if I can’t go no one else should’ (a bit of this from Warriors fans for next Friday). If Folk can get in now great,fill your boots and enjoy, I’ll get my turn when it’s my time.

the only thing I would say is, with 4 times the infection last week, I don’t want a thousand fans coming from Glasgow to Edinburgh next week.

I think you wait until you have a viable vaccine. In the grand scheme of things football is not important and if it puts public health at risk then it should be an absolute no go.

For the season ticket holders I’m sure the club could find a way to thank them in the future, maybe by selling them heavily discounted ST’s in the future.

Just because we theoretically could have fans back doesn’t mean we should. Football doesn’t bring out people’s best behaviour and you add alcohol in to the mix it just isn’t worth the risk.

[Jones28]

It’s going to cost them money to get people in. But people have have also spent a lot of money to attend games at Easter Road. The club have a responsibility to make that happen, for however many people are allowed to attend, as soon as they can.

Why? If it’s putting peoples health at risk then IMO nothing should go before that. You can take all the precautions you like but health has to come first and football should be one of things at the bottom of the pile.

It’s a bit of a contradiction, having “thank you NHS” on the tops while putting peoples health at risk.

[Jones28]

The club will automatically make a loss on the games because only season ticket holders will be able to attend, so there will be no matchday income to offset against the costs of holding the game eg stewarding.

It wouldn't surprise me if the kiosks are kept closed to avoid queues in the concourses and stewards would control how many people could access the toilets at any one time. Ideally they'd want to control the rush for the exits at full time but not sure that could be done.

I'd think allowing half the season ticket holders to attend each game would be viable. The easiest way would be to assign everyone to either Group 1 or Group 2, with members of the same network in the same group, and then assign a seat to each person/group that maintains distancing which would mean not getting your own seat.

Group 1 would get half the fixtures plus Celtc and Group 2 would get the other half plus Sevco.

This would allow 5,500 fans at each game, which would mean about 5000 actually in attendance if the usual 10% estimate of season tickets can't attend. That could be higher as some of our more vulnerable fans may decide not to risk it.

If the club are going to take a hit financially on having 5000 fans in then what’s the point?

If the club were to offer heavily discounted season tickets next season for example, or even freebies to those who bought this season then why not have no fans this season?

[Jones28]

Hibs have sold 11,000 tickets.

Allowing some of them to attend games they've actually paid for can't be described as 'making a loss'

Well let’s rephrase it and say that for matches the club has no actual money coming through the door and has had to burn through season ticket income at a much faster rate than normal due to no walk up tickets being sold, is that better?

[B.H.F.C]

Why? If it’s putting peoples health at risk then IMO nothing should go before that. You can take all the precautions you like but health has to come first and football should be one of things at the bottom of the pile.

It’s a bit of a contradiction, having “thank you NHS” on the tops while putting peoples health at risk.

Nobody is suggesting we just let everybody pile in and get on with it. Find a way to manage the risk, the same as every other industry that is non essential but letting customers in.

It’s pretty clear the virus isn’t going away. Do we just accept we can’t do anything or get on with finding ways to do things a bit differently? And safely? I know which I’d rather do.

[B.H.F.C]

If the club are going to take a hit financially on having 5000 fans in then what’s the point?

If the club were to offer heavily discounted season tickets next season for example, or even freebies to those who bought this season then why not have no fans this season?

How do you then cover your costs next year doing that?

[Jones28]

How do you then cover your costs next year doing that?

You have walk up fans once you have a viable vaccine.

[Jones28]

Nobody is suggesting we just let everybody pile in and get on with it. Find a way to manage the risk, the same as every other industry that is non essential but letting customers in.

It’s pretty clear the virus isn’t going away. Do we just accept we can’t do anything or get on with finding ways to do things a bit differently? And safely? I know which I’d rather do.

Fair enough, each to their own. I don’t agree, and think that until a vaccine is found we should not be attending mass gatherings - distancing in place or not.

[B.H.F.C]

You have walk up fans once you have a viable vaccine.

Less all (or a lot of) your season ticket revenue. Need an awful lot of walk ups to cover that.

[The dalmeny]

I think you wait until you have a viable vaccine. In the grand scheme of things football is not important and if it puts public health at risk then it should be an absolute no go.

For the season ticket holders I’m sure the club could find a way to thank them in the future, maybe by selling them heavily discounted ST’s in the future.

Just because we theoretically could have fans back doesn’t mean we should. Football doesn’t bring out people’s best behaviour and you add alcohol in to the mix it just isn’t worth the risk.

if you wait for a vaccine it will probably be a long wait. We perhaps have different views on this and I’m cool with that. I’m much more for personal responsibility. If the club put forward measures I’m happy with then I’ll go, if not I won’t. I’m an overweight 50+ Apos man so to an extent I’m in a higher risk group but I’m able to make an informed decision as to the things I’m happy with and those I’m not. I’m off to the pub tonight and booked a table so I can watch the rugby/football. If I get there and I’m not comfortable I’ll walk away. I don’t need someone to tell me to stay or go.

[Jones28]

Less all (or a lot of) your season ticket revenue. Need an awful lot of walk ups to cover that.

Folk would be gagging to go to a game, myself included. You’re going to make a loss either way, it health has to come first.

I don’t particularly want the country back in lockdown because folk want to go to football matches.

[Gatecrasher]

EFL agree deal with Sky Sports allowing clubs in all three divisions to stream every match next season until stadiums at least 50 per cent full. Clubs to keep the revenue with Sky waiving compensation rights for loss of exclusivity. https://t.co/KOmEu0MB6v

I hope thats not the agreement we have, can you imagine not being able to see your team because you havent been selected to be in the 50% then cant watch it on stream.

[B.H.F.C]

Fair enough, each to their own. I don’t agree, and think that until a vaccine is found we should not be attending mass gatherings - distancing in place or not.

As you say, each to their own and I don’t have a problem with that.

There will be others in the same boat and attendance isn’t compulsory after all. I posted earlier that, IMO, the first thing the club needs to do is find out who actually wants to attend. People can make their own decisions on whether they want to go or not but, if it is deemed safe to have fans in, the club have a responsibility to get as many people in that want to go, as they can. Those that don’t want to go, don’t have to.

[Jones28]

if you wait for a vaccine it will probably be a long wait. We perhaps have different views on this and I’m cool with that. I’m much more for personal responsibility. If the club put forward measures I’m happy with then I’ll go, if not I won’t. I’m an overweight 50+ Apos man so to an extent I’m in a higher risk group but I’m able to make an informed decision as to the things I’m happy with and those I’m not. I’m off to the pub tonight and booked a table so I can watch the rugby/football. If I get there and I’m not comfortable I’ll walk away. I don’t need someone to tell me to stay or go.

All out faith in personal responsibility gets you the kind of scenes we’ve seen on hot days on the south coast. You feel comfortable to make decisions for yourself which is fine, but it’s other people. It’s the % of the population who don’t care, who shouldn’t have the responsibility that will cause us problems in the future.

[The dalmeny]

All out faith in personal responsibility gets you the kind of scenes we’ve seen on hot days on the south coast. You feel comfortable to make decisions for yourself which is fine, but it’s other people. It’s the % of the population who don’t care, who shouldn’t have the responsibility that will cause us problems in the future.


indeed, for all these events, the NRS have gone from weekly to monthly reporting because the number of deaths is so low and hospital cases have stayed pretty level, I have two kids at secondary am I supposed to stop them going to school because it’s a mass gathering?

[The dalmeny]

As you say, each to their own and I don’t have a problem with that.

There will be others in the same boat and attendance isn’t compulsory after all. I posted earlier that, IMO, the first thing the club needs to do is find out who actually wants to attend. People can make their own decisions on whether they want to go or not but, if it is deemed safe to have fans in, the club have a responsibility to get as many people in that want to go, as they can. Those that don’t want to go, don’t have to.

we are on a much more similar wavelength

[Jones28]

indeed, for all these events, the NRS have gone from weekly to monthly reporting because the number of deaths is so low and hospital cases have stayed pretty level, I have two kids at secondary am I supposed to stop them going to school because it’s a mass gathering?

Nah, like you say it’s personal responsibility so each the their own. I don’t agree but such is life.

[The dalmeny]

Nah, like you say it’s personal responsibility so each the their own. I don’t agree but such is life.

and I’m ok with that :thumbsup:

[jacomo]

Fair enough, each to their own. I don’t agree, and think that until a vaccine is found we should not be attending mass gatherings - distancing in place or not.


There may never be a vaccine.

[Keith_M]

Well let’s rephrase it and say that for matches the club has no actual money coming through the door and has had to burn through season ticket income at a much faster rate than normal due to no walk up tickets being sold, is that better?


Not really. They're still just tickets that were bought in advance.

Otherwise you could argue that we should continue selling tickets and just not allow anybody in ever again, as it would incur extra costs.

[hibbysam]

Why? If it’s putting peoples health at risk then IMO nothing should go before that. You can take all the precautions you like but health has to come first and football should be one of things at the bottom of the pile.

It’s a bit of a contradiction, having “thank you NHS” on the tops while putting peoples health at risk.

It’s been over 3 weeks now since the Aberdeen outbreak, 200 people confirmed COVID positive, how many of those have become seriously ill? None. Cases are at their highest they have been in months yet there is still only two in intensive care (the same two for weeks now) and no new deaths for goodness knows how long.

If that’s not proof that the virus is substantially weaker now than it was then I’d love to see the reasoning behind it. Everywhere else is opening up yet we want hibs to continue a lock out just for the sake of it.

[Jones28]

There may never be a vaccine.

Maybe not, but I’d rather wait and see.

[Jones28]

It’s been over 3 weeks now since the Aberdeen outbreak, 200 people confirmed COVID positive, how many of those have become seriously ill? None. Cases are at their highest they have been in months yet there is still only two in intensive care (the same two for weeks now) and no new deaths for goodness knows how long.

If that’s not proof that the virus is substantially weaker now than it was then I’d love to see the reasoning behind it. Everywhere else is opening up yet we want hibs to continue a lock out just for the sake of it.

Aberdeen went back in to lockdown.

[Jones28]

Not really. They're still just tickets that were bought in advance.

Otherwise you could argue that we should continue selling tickets and just not allow anybody in ever again, as it would incur extra costs.

I don’t even know where you’re trying to go with that. Is suggesting that fans don’t go to games and are recompensed further down the line that bad a suggestion?

[Phil MaGlass]

It’s been over 3 weeks now since the Aberdeen outbreak, 200 people confirmed COVID positive, how many of those have become seriously ill? None. Cases are at their highest they have been in months yet there is still only two in intensive care (the same two for weeks now) and no new deaths for goodness knows how long.

If that’s not proof that the virus is substantially weaker now than it was then I’d love to see the reasoning behind it. Everywhere else is opening up yet we want hibs to continue a lock out just for the sake of it.

The virus is definitely not substantually weaker, its the fact most of the folk in Aberdeen were young is the reason theres not alot of folk in IC. Anyone that thinks it is weaker needs their heid looked at. The fact that the majority of Scots have taken the virus seriously and taken the appropriate action is the reason why we havent seen many cases. Its being managed well in Scotland. The rest of Europe are going back into lockdown unless you havent been following the news, and its because of bigger gatherings its happening, ffs.

[h1bs4life]

Caught a bit on Sportsound saying few clubs have been approached to trial crowds before 14th September .
Lesser greens were mentioned but also St Johnstone surely Hibs have been approached as outside the erse cheeks playing next week we have the biggest stadium .
The week after is international break so next weekend only 1 available.
Maybe just a couple of hundred to start with.
Club should be using full stadium, if away team changing in the South let them come out between south / west or south/ east or put temporary porta cabin outside the ground for them .
Will take a while to build up crowds , could go down to 1m distancing like pubs , masks compulsory. Sanitiser everywhere . Time slots for getting in and staggered exit. Going to be a long time to get anywhere near normal whatever that will be and could be a fair bit of hassle getting into games then it will be individuals choice if they want to go.
Hopefully a vaccine soon to get life back to normal

[ancient hibee]

Uu
The virus is definitely not substantually weaker, its the fact most of the folk in Aberdeen were young is the reason theres not alot of folk in IC. Anyone that thinks it is weaker needs their heid looked at. The fact that the majority of Scots have taken the virus seriously and taken the appropriate action is the reason why we havent seen many cases. Its being managed well in Scotland. The rest of Europe are going back into lockdown unless you havent been following the news, and its because of bigger gatherings its happening, ffs.

Do you honestly believe that having the third highest death rate in Europe is managing well?

[lord bunberry]

Uu

Do you honestly believe that having the third highest death rate in Europe is managing well?
Yes. You can’t keep looking at what happened at the beginning and saying we’re not managing it well now. Mistakes were made, and the government will have to answer for that, but I’m more interested in what’s happening now.

[HH81]

Just been reading 200 fans were allowed into a local non league game near me today.

Think it was a friendly and they sold tickets out for it.

Ground is one that has a small seated stand and standing by a railing all way round.

[hibbysam]

The virus is definitely not substantually weaker, its the fact most of the folk in Aberdeen were young is the reason theres not alot of folk in IC. Anyone that thinks it is weaker needs their heid looked at. The fact that the majority of Scots have taken the virus seriously and taken the appropriate action is the reason why we havent seen many cases. Its being managed well in Scotland. The rest of Europe are going back into lockdown unless you havent been following the news, and its because of bigger gatherings its happening, ffs.

Scotland has basically opened back up completely now, very little still to open, outbreaks are happening everywhere, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Perth, Aberdeen, Dumfries. Your not telling me that every single case has been a ‘young person’. Intensive care patients hasn’t been above 3 I don’t think in god knows how long.

[hibbysam]

Aberdeen went back in to lockdown.

That doesn’t make any difference when 200 had already tested positive, none of those cases ended up in ICU after the 3 week period that the government tell us about.

[Moulin Yarns]

Scotland has basically opened back up completely now, very little still to open, outbreaks are happening everywhere, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Perth, Aberdeen, Dumfries. Your not telling me that every single case has been a ‘young person’. Intensive care patients hasn’t been above 3 I don’t think in god knows how long.

Most outbreaks are linked to a workplace. Dumfries was Carlisle hospital. Perth shire is a food processor.

[hibbysam]

Most outbreaks are linked to a workplace. Dumfries was Carlisle hospital. Perth shire is a food processor.

They’re still positive cases though. That’s my point. How the outbreak happened doesn’t matter, it’s the fact that we have all these cases yet absolutely no change in the top line numbers of ICU patients and deaths. That tells me something has changed somewhere.

[Moulin Yarns]

They’re still positive cases though. That’s my point. How the outbreak happened doesn’t matter, it’s the fact that we have all these cases yet absolutely no change in the top line numbers of ICU patients and deaths. That tells me something has changed somewhere.

You suggested that the positive cases were all young people. They are not. About half the cases today are Coupar Angus. 2 weeks ago they were Aberdeen. These are contained within the location by trace and protect.

The fact that the ICU number is stable is because the cases are not serious. Otherwise healthy individuals.

[hibbysam]

You suggested that the positive cases were all young people. They are not. About half the cases today are Coupar Angus. 2 weeks ago they were Aberdeen. These are contained within the location by trace and protect.

The fact that the ICU number is stable is because the cases are not serious. Otherwise healthy individuals.

I never said that at all, someone else said that. However, we’ve seen previously that healthy individuals aren’t immune from the severity of it and ultimately dying from it. My point is, why is it now different? Why are the cases not serious? Healthy and young isn’t a reason as we’ve been told previously.

[The dalmeny]

You suggested that the positive cases were all young people. They are not. About half the cases today are Coupar Angus. 2 weeks ago they were Aberdeen. These are contained within the location by trace and protect.

The fact that the ICU number is stable is because the cases are not serious. Otherwise healthy individuals.

what is your definition of young ? 23 cases over the age of 65 in the last week.

[RoYO!]

The way I see this working... fwiw..

The super computer picks ST seats, allowing for physical distancing. I.e. 5 seats free between people and every other row.

These ST holders are notified- told they must sit in their ST seat.

Fans are told to wear face coverings.

Staff with handheld scanners man the exit doors, you hold out your card, they scan it. No contact. Or you use turnstiles and tell people to sanitize as soon as they walk thru the turnstile.

No food or drink for sale.

No away fans. Equals no real need for police.

Go straight to seat. Could even tell folk to arrive in 20 minute windows. 2.00-2.20pm, 2.20-2.40pm, 2.40-3.00pm?

Just some musings on this..

[Steven79]

The way I see this working... fwiw..

The super computer picks ST seats, allowing for physical distancing. I.e. 5 seats free between people and every other row.

These ST holders are notified- told they must sit in their ST seat.

Fans are told to wear face coverings.

Staff with handheld scanners man the exit doors, you hold out your card, they scan it. No contact. Or you use turnstiles and tell people to sanitize as soon as they walk thru the turnstile.

No food or drink for sale.

No away fans. Equals no real need for police.

Go straight to seat. Could even tell folk to arrive in 20 minute windows. 2.00-2.20pm, 2.20-2.40pm, 2.40-3.00pm?

Just some musings on this..I can't see people sitting in their own seat.

That would mean the away empty for starters.

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[Sir David Gray]

The way I see this working... fwiw..

The super computer picks ST seats, allowing for physical distancing. I.e. 5 seats free between people and every other row.

These ST holders are notified- told they must sit in their ST seat.

Fans are told to wear face coverings.

Staff with handheld scanners man the exit doors, you hold out your card, they scan it. No contact. Or you use turnstiles and tell people to sanitize as soon as they walk thru the turnstile.

No food or drink for sale.

No away fans. Equals no real need for police.

Go straight to seat. Could even tell folk to arrive in 20 minute windows. 2.00-2.20pm, 2.20-2.40pm, 2.40-3.00pm?

Just some musings on this..

I've been thinking about the need for face coverings and I answered someone else recently by saying of course I would wear one if it allows me to get to games again and that still stands.

However I've been reading about other industries which are opening up again (for example bingo which is obviously inside and higher risk) and whilst you are seated in the bingo hall, no face covering is required, you only need one as you're travelling through the building and obviously coming into closer contact with people.

Would a face covering really be required whilst you are in your seat, outside and well away from anyone outside your household group?

[RoYO!]

I've been thinking about the need for face coverings and I answered someone else recently by saying of course I would wear one if it allows me to get to games again and that still stands.

However I've been reading about other industries which are opening up again (for example bingo which is obviously inside and higher risk) and whilst you are seated in the bingo hall, no face covering is required, you only need one as you're travelling through the building and obviously coming into closer contact with people.

Would a face covering really be required whilst you are in your seat, outside and well away from anyone outside your household group?

Sorry that wasn't clear, no, just wear one when approaching ticket staff. Not in seat. The staff member standing outside whilst wearing a mask and possibly a visor would hopefully feel assured that apt measures were in place.

[RoYO!]

I can't see people sitting in their own seat.

That would mean the away empty for starters.

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Yep but we've heard how much it costs to put a game on- no small part due to policing. We could host ST holders in the away end too I suppose. Dont see why people would be against sitting in their own seat.

[hibeerealist]

I've been thinking about the need for face coverings and I answered someone else recently by saying of course I would wear one if it allows me to get to games again and that still stands.

However I've been reading about other industries which are opening up again (for example bingo which is obviously inside and higher risk) and whilst you are seated in the bingo hall, no face covering is required, you only need one as you're travelling through the building and obviously coming into closer contact with people.

Would a face covering really be required whilst you are in your seat, outside and well away from anyone outside your household group?


If that is a condition of entry you need to adhere regardless of what other “industries” or sectors are required to do.

Football needs all fans getting entry to conform as rules broken can effect things going forward.

[The Tubs]

They’re still positive cases though. That’s my point. How the outbreak happened doesn’t matter, it’s the fact that we have all these cases yet absolutely no change in the top line numbers of ICU patients and deaths. That tells me something has changed somewhere.

The vunerable are not exposing themselves, I'd say.

[jacomo]

I never said that at all, someone else said that. However, we’ve seen previously that healthy individuals aren’t immune from the severity of it and ultimately dying from it. My point is, why is it now different? Why are the cases not serious? Healthy and young isn’t a reason as we’ve been told previously.


Part of the reason is that healthcare for Covid is much better now than it was 4 months ago. Also I think people at high risk are still shielding and overall infection numbers are way down.

[Sir David Gray]

If that is a condition of entry you need to adhere regardless of what other “industries” or sectors are required to do.

Football needs all fans getting entry to conform as rules broken can effect things going forward.

As I've said quite clearly, I'd have no problem wearing one.

[660]

Away season ticket holders should be allowed in to home games. Easy to socially distance 200 people in the east stand. Most valuable fans should be rewarded.

[hibbysam]

Part of the reason is that healthcare for Covid is much better now than it was 4 months ago. Also I think people at high risk are still shielding and overall infection numbers are way down.

Nobody is shielding anymore as far as I understand. Overall numbers are down, however taking the 200 cases in Aberdeen or the 100+ in Perthshire, those are big numbers for very little impact to be had. The healthcare part is one I understand and kinda the point I’m making, due to this should we be less worried about it? I’m no scientist so can only take the simple view based on figures, but to me more is opening up, due to this we are getting spikes in numbers, however those numbers aren’t translating into serious health concerns including ICU/death increases.

Jason Leitch said a number of months ago in a Scottish FA Q&A that at some point we may/will have to live with this virus the same as the flu, common colds etc. Is that time now? In my view the numbers would seem to say so.

[green day]

Nobody is shielding anymore as far as I understand. Overall numbers are down, however taking the 200 cases in Aberdeen or the 100+ in Perthshire, those are big numbers for very little impact to be had. The healthcare part is one I understand and kinda the point I’m making, due to this should we be less worried about it? I’m no scientist so can only take the simple view based on figures, but to me more is opening up, due to this we are getting spikes in numbers, however those numbers aren’t translating into serious health concerns including ICU/death increases.

Jason Leitch said a number of months ago in a Scottish FA Q&A that at some point we may/will have to live with this virus the same as the flu, common colds etc. Is that time now? In my view the numbers would seem to say so.

I think its more nuanced than that.

What is being reported as "spikes" at the moment are not really translating into large numbers in hospitals / ICU and on to deaths - you touched on this a few posts up.

We are now able to test and trace far better than we could at the absolute peak - when hospital admissions and deaths were about the only data we had.

In all probability the infection rates all over Europe at the peak this year were enormous and much larger than anyone was reporting (because we simply didnt have the capability to test and count them properly).

i.e. a report of 200 people infected in April could have actually been 2000 or more as everyone was flailing about in the dark.

We are now - even with the Aberdeen / Cupar / Dumfries outbreaks - in a position where the numbers infected and traced / isolated are much more manageable and are far more accurate than a few months back.

The government / health service seems quite comfortable with the current situation but it will be baby steps toward anything with big crowds, even outdoors.

[theonlywayisup]

I've made similar points in the past, it just strikes me as the football world wanting to do something to make a statement. It makes zero sense, clinical or otherwise.

Similar to the Chelsea players being unable to pick up their runners up medals after the FA Cup final due to "Covid protocols". Even although for 90 minutes they had been up close and personal with the Arsenal players and they had all been cuddling each other at full time.

It's all a nonsense.

Agree, but I suppose there is a difference between the two examples you give. In the latter, it's the players choice that they 'cuddle' each other. In the former, it's the FA who are saying we're not going to have a 'losers' medal collection to minimise the likelihood of Covid-19 spreading, albeit a very low likelihood.

[Moulin Yarns]

Nobody is shielding anymore as far as I understand.



Not quite true. The change is those who were advised to shield no longer have to. I know people who were supposed to be shielded who were going out and meeting other people, I also know people who were shielded and are still not going out.

[Eyrie]

The way I see this working... fwiw..

The super computer picks ST seats, allowing for physical distancing. I.e. 5 seats free between people and every other row.

These ST holders are notified- told they must sit in their ST seat.

Fans are told to wear face coverings.

Staff with handheld scanners man the exit doors, you hold out your card, they scan it. No contact. Or you use turnstiles and tell people to sanitize as soon as they walk thru the turnstile.

No food or drink for sale.

No away fans. Equals no real need for police.

Go straight to seat. Could even tell folk to arrive in 20 minute windows. 2.00-2.20pm, 2.20-2.40pm, 2.40-3.00pm?

Just some musings on this..

It wouldn't be your ST seat as that wouldn't maximise the use of the stadium. Instead those attending would have an allocated seat.

And staggered entry times wouldn't work. People don't want to be told to arrive by 2:20 to sit around for 40 minutes and how would you deal with that person turning up at 2:55?

Other than that, these are all practical suggestions.

[Sir David Gray]

Agree, but I suppose there is a difference between the two examples you give. In the latter, it's the players choice that they 'cuddle' each other. In the former, it's the FA who are saying we're not going to have a 'losers' medal collection to minimise the likelihood of Covid-19 spreading, albeit a very low likelihood.

They had still been getting close to each other during the game, at corners and free kicks etc. Every single player in both squads had been regularly tested for weeks, it was one of the requirements which allowed them to start playing again. It was totally pointless to stop Chelsea from picking up their medals on the pitch.

If they weren't allowed to cuddle each other at full time, why did the FA not charge the clubs for breaking the protocols?

[ancient hibee]

I noticed that the officials at the golf tournaments all wear masks outside.I expect it makes them feel more secure.The players only wear one when they go to hand their card in.

[Scouse Hibee]

It wouldn't be your ST seat as that wouldn't maximise the use of the stadium. Instead those attending would have an allocated seat.

And staggered entry times wouldn't work. People don't want to be told to arrive by 2:20 to sit around for 40 minutes and how would you deal with that person turning up at 2:55?

Other than that, these are all practical suggestions.

I agree all great practical suggestions, the problem comes when you introduce people to the equation. As we have already seen far too many people think they know better, disagree with rules so will ignore them, have an excuse not to comply, get bevvied before they arrive so you can’t tell them anything, are just general ****** idiots. 😁 It’s going to a challenge for all clubs.

[we are hibs]

It wouldn't be your ST seat as that wouldn't maximise the use of the stadium. Instead those attending would have an allocated seat.

And staggered entry times wouldn't work. People don't want to be told to arrive by 2:20 to sit around for 40 minutes and how would you deal with that person turning up at 2:55?

Other than that, these are all practical suggestions.

From what ive seen staggered entry times will be happening down south. Thats probably the most complex part of fans returning. if for example hibs were to go 3 down at home, how are you stopping people leaving the ground at the same time? Segregation in seats should be fairly easy to police if its limited numbers. Even staggered entry getting into the ground if its just the hour before; people will probably accept getting there 45 mins before if they're getting to see a game in the flesh imo. But leaving the stadium is going to cause problems

[Nakedmanoncrack]

From what ive seen staggered entry times will be happening down south. Thats probably the most complex part of fans returning. if for example hibs were to go 3 down at home, how are you stopping people leaving the ground at the same time? Segregation in seats should be fairly easy to police if its limited numbers. Even staggered entry getting into the ground if its just the hour before; people will probably accept getting there 45 mins before if they're getting to see a game in the flesh imo. But leaving the stadium is going to cause problems

You have to completely rely on people complying, if people choose to ignore then there's not a lot can be done about it in this situation or many others.

[Keith_M]

Given how we've played the last few games, what's the chances of fans wanting to go back in September?

[Steven79]

Given how we've played the last few games, what's the chances of fans wanting to go back in September?I'm in no rush to watch this...

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[Sir David Gray]

Given how we've played the last few games, what's the chances of fans wanting to go back in September?

I certainly don't think walk up fans will be rushing to buy tickets put it that way!

[Keith_M]

I certainly don't think walk up fans will be rushing to buy tickets put it that way!


Although.....


:greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

Although.....


:greengrin

Still not sure the performances will be drawing in the punters.

Winning 4 out of every 5 games though will always be welcome though.

[Keith_M]

Still not sure the performances will be drawing in the punters.

Winning 4 out of every 5 games though will always be welcome though.


I know... and agree.

[Jones28]

That doesn’t make any difference when 200 had already tested positive, none of those cases ended up in ICU after the 3 week period that the government tell us about.

The point is not about how many were infected, the point is that a whole city went back in to lockdown.

[Keith_M]

And we're off again....


:wink:

[Pretty Boy]

As long as we are back in August for the flag unfurling.

[Sir David Gray]

As long as we are back in August for the flag unfurling.

When does the 2021/22 Champions League campaign kick off?

[The dalmeny]

And we're off again....


:wink:

ding ding

[hibbysam]

The point is not about how many were infected, the point is that a whole city went back in to lockdown.

What happened after the infections is neither here nor there, that stopped further infections. 200 people tested positive, they had the virus, none of them have ended up in ICU or died from it, hence my questions about the severity of it now. Take those 200, 100+ in Perthshire, the outbreaks in Lanarkshire and Dumfries then I’d have thought at least one of those would have got seriously ill going on what happened back in April/May.

My point was completely about how many infections there were.

[Bristolhibby]

They had still been getting close to each other during the game, at corners and free kicks etc. Every single player in both squads had been regularly tested for weeks, it was one of the requirements which allowed them to start playing again. It was totally pointless to stop Chelsea from picking up their medals on the pitch.

If they weren't allowed to cuddle each other at full time, why did the FA not charge the clubs for breaking the protocols?

And what happens if the guy handing out the medals has COVID-19?

J

[The dalmeny]

And what happens if the guy handing out the medals has COVID-19?

J

I don’t think there was a guy they were just taken out a box

[Sir David Gray]

And what happens if the guy handing out the medals has COVID-19?

J

The Arsenal players picked their medals out of an unattended tray on the pitch. There was no reason why the Chelsea players could not have done the same.

[Bristolhibby]

TBF Nobody actually wants a runners up medal anyway.

J

[Keith_M]

TBF Nobody actually wants a runners up medal anyway.

J


Gary McKay?


:dunno:

[0762]

TBF Nobody actually wants a runners up medal anyway.

J


Gary McKay?

:dunno:


It never gets old.......:faf:

[The dalmeny]

Email just issued by SRU, from a friend

Club has now emailed. ST holder ballot, preference given to those closest to BTM, tickets sold in pairs. Ballot on Wed, tickets emailed to the lucky 700 on Thurs. Various sensible conditions - masks, 2m distancing, only household together etc.no away supporters by looks of things

[danhibees1875]

Miami dolphins, aware this is a different sport and country :greengrin , allowing 13,000 into their stadium in September for the start of the NFL season.

[Sir David Gray]

Miami dolphins, aware this is a different sport and country :greengrin , allowing 13,000 into their stadium in September for the start of the NFL season.

That's about 20% of their stadium's capacity. The equivalent for Easter Road would be about 4,000.

Still nuts when you consider that if Florida was a country, it would have the 6th highest number of cases in the world.

[marinello59]

Poland is allowing 50% capacity in the stadiums for the new season after going with 25% at the end of the last one.

[allezsauzee]

That's about 20% of their stadium's capacity. The equivalent for Easter Road would be about 4,000.

Still nuts when you consider that if Florida was a country, it would have the 6th highest number of cases in the world.

They were nuts enough to vote for Trump and probably will do so again (Florida and the USA), so lets not base our decisions on their logic. That said I think if there is no material increase in Covid related deaths once the schools and colleges have been back for month or so, we will see a return to normal or very near to it.

[Moulin Yarns]

What happened after the infections is neither here nor there, that stopped further infections. 200 people tested positive, they had the virus, none of them have ended up in ICU or died from it, hence my questions about the severity of it now. Take those 200, 100+ in Perth, the outbreaks in Lanarkshire and Dumfries then I’d have thought at least one of those would have got seriously ill going on what happened back in April/May.

My point was completely about how many infections there were.

Where are you hearing there are over a hundred in Perth. Almost as bad as the poster who said they were in Cupar, a different town in a different county.

The 2 Sisters plant is in COUPAR ANGUS. The staff are from Perth and Kinross, Angus and Dundee.

[Sir David Gray]

It’s been over 3 weeks now since the Aberdeen outbreak, 200 people confirmed COVID positive, how many of those have become seriously ill? None. Cases are at their highest they have been in months yet there is still only two in intensive care (the same two for weeks now) and no new deaths for goodness knows how long.

If that’s not proof that the virus is substantially weaker now than it was then I’d love to see the reasoning behind it. Everywhere else is opening up yet we want hibs to continue a lock out just for the sake of it.

The CMO was asked a pretty similar question to this at today's briefing and he said the virus wasn't changing and the fact that we're seeing less hospital admissions now is that most of the cases just now are in younger people. He also mentioned that the strain circulating in Europe just now appears to be more transmissible than it was a few months ago.

[Jones28]

What happened after the infections is neither here nor there, that stopped further infections. 200 people tested positive, they had the virus, none of them have ended up in ICU or died from it, hence my questions about the severity of it now. Take those 200, 100+ in Perth, the outbreaks in Lanarkshire and Dumfries then I’d have thought at least one of those would have got seriously ill going on what happened back in April/May.

My point was completely about how many infections there were.

I still don’t know what your point is? You think the virus is weaker? Is that your point? It isn’t weaker, it’s because the people being exposed to it at the moment are younger, more able bodied people more capable of repelling it without further consequences. It’s evidence that lockdown, masks, shielding etc has been working but it also shows just how easily things can unravel.

Why put all the hard work we have all put in at risk for football when we already have it back? I’d love to be at games right now, but it’s not worth it, I still want to see loved ones, and I can watch Hibs on the tv. If that has to do then so be it.

[hibbysam]

I still don’t know what your point is? You think the virus is weaker? Is that your point? It isn’t weaker, it’s because the people being exposed to it at the moment are younger, more able bodied people more capable of repelling it without further consequences. It’s evidence that lockdown, masks, shielding etc has been working but it also shows just how easily things can unravel.

Why put all the hard work we have all put in at risk for football when we already have it back? I’d love to be at games right now, but it’s not worth it, I still want to see loved ones, and I can watch Hibs on the tv. If that has to do then so be it.

They aren’t all young though, that’s just plain facts, and even if they were there were still youngsters supposedly seriously ill and in ICU back at the height of it. Your not telling me that out of all of the recent cases (probably into the high hundreds), that not one person ended up in ICU or died, and the virus is exactly the same as it was previously. Very few positive cases are showing symptoms these days also.

I don’t know if it’s weaker, hence why I’m asking the question, however looking at the bare facts in front of us it would be an extremely hard thing to argue against.

Your talking about what we’re doing to stop spreading the virus, I’m talking about the already positive tests and the outcomes of those, every single person recovering.

[Jones28]

They aren’t all young though, that’s just plain facts, and even if they were there were still youngsters supposedly seriously ill and in ICU back at the height of it. Your not telling me that out of all of the recent cases (probably into the high hundreds), that not one person ended up in ICU or died, and the virus is exactly the same as it was previously. Very few positive cases are showing symptoms these days also.

I don’t know if it’s weaker, hence why I’m asking the question, however looking at the bare facts in front of us it would be an extremely hard thing to argue against.

Your talking about what we’re doing to stop spreading the virus, I’m talking about the already positive tests and the outcomes of those, every single person recovering.

See Sir David Grays reply above mine for what the CMO has said. I think I’ll take his opinion over your interpretation of the numbers.

The worldwide evidence would suggest you’re wrong. Changed behaviours have meant we have seen fewer cases in areas that have already been hit, but these places are seeing rocketing numbers of cases as things start to reopen. Then look around the world to South America we’re Argentina recorded 8,000 new cases in 24hrs the other day.

[G B Young]

I think we're in for a long wait before crowds of any significant size return.

With secondary schools set to introduce masks because of crowding when moving between classes I'm struggling to see how closely packed football crowds could possibly return any time soon. At least within schools any infection would, by and large, be within a community, but football fans can potentially come from all over the country.

I also note it's believed that pupils shouting to each other when moving between classes creates a higher risk of infection. Many folk shout or sing their way through football matches. Would that be allowed? Hard to imagine - although I guess singing/shouting with a mask on would be a challenge in itself!

[hibbysam]

See Sir David Grays reply above mine for what the CMO has said. I think I’ll take his opinion over your interpretation of the numbers.

The worldwide evidence would suggest you’re wrong. Changed behaviours have meant we have seen fewer cases in areas that have already been hit, but these places are seeing rocketing numbers of cases as things start to reopen. Then look around the world to South America we’re Argentina recorded 8,000 new cases in 24hrs the other day.

‘Most of the cases are in younger people’ - so does that mean that no young person will end up in ICU, or die now? Which is completely different from a few months ago where young people ended up in ICU and died. And although most were young, they weren’t all young, so how come the older ones who tested positive aren’t getting seriously ill?

[18Craig75]

‘Most of the cases are in younger people’ - so does that mean that no young person will end up in ICU, or die now? Which is completely different from a few months ago where young people ended up in ICU and died. And although most were young, they weren’t all young, so how come the older ones who tested positive aren’t getting seriously ill?

Hoping to see the CMO replaced by hibbysam at the FM’s daily briefing today. The virus is weaker, we can go back to the football!

[hibbysam]

Hoping to see the CMO replaced by hibbysam at the FM’s daily briefing today. The virus is weaker, we can go back to the football!

We will be back at the football anyway. I’m sure they’ll release their stats of the ages who have transmitted the virus in the last month and a half since the last COVID positive death. Since then we’ve probably had 1000 positive tests, yet absolutely none of them ended up in ICU or died. Like I say, either the hospital treatments are better, or they’ve got a miraculous cure for it, or it is weaker.

[Keith_M]

I've decided that I'll be going to every home game from September, whether they change the rules or not.

I've worked out which part of the wall in the North East corner is the easiest to climb over and I'll be sitting in my seat waiting for the game to start, flask and sandwiches in hand

:I'm waiti

[Jones28]

‘Most of the cases are in younger people’ - so does that mean that no young person will end up in ICU, or die now? Which is completely different from a few months ago where young people ended up in ICU and died. And although most were young, they weren’t all young, so how come the older ones who tested positive aren’t getting seriously ill?

Could it perhaps be that the NHS has had months of practice and are better able to treat the virus? I’m not the one to ask those questions, I’m not a doctor or a health professional.

Your point was that the virus has gotten weaker, the CMO says it hasn’t, the worldwide evidence says it hasn’t, you’re taking a tiny sample size and saying these people aren’t dying so that’s evidence that the virus is weaker when in reality the people that are going out to pubs are not vulnerable and our healthcare system is better placed to handle them. That’s why we’re not seeing the levels of deaths we were seeing.

[The dalmeny]

They aren’t all young though, that’s just plain facts, and even if they were there were still youngsters supposedly seriously ill and in ICU back at the height of it. Your not telling me that out of all of the recent cases (probably into the high hundreds), that not one person ended up in ICU or died, and the virus is exactly the same as it was previously. Very few positive cases are showing symptoms these days also.

I don’t know if it’s weaker, hence why I’m asking the question, however looking at the bare facts in front of us it would be an extremely hard thing to argue against.

Your talking about what we’re doing to stop spreading the virus, I’m talking about the already positive tests and the outcomes of those, every single person recovering.

interesting piece in the beeb today saying it may be the case 1 in 8 caught the virus in hospital, what were saying is that that of the people who have the virus in hospital more than 10% did not go into hospital because of it.

[hibbysam]

Could it perhaps be that the NHS has had months of practice and are better able to treat the virus? I’m not the one to ask those questions, I’m not a doctor or a health professional.

Your point was that the virus has gotten weaker, the CMO says it hasn’t, the worldwide evidence says it hasn’t, you’re taking a tiny sample size and saying these people aren’t dying so that’s evidence that the virus is weaker when in reality the people that are going out to pubs are not vulnerable and our healthcare system is better placed to handle them. That’s why we’re not seeing the levels of deaths we were seeing.

Our hospitals were never bursting at the seams. There was always capacity to deal with it. It’s not that we’re not seeing the levels of deaths, we aren’t seeing any deaths whatsoever. And to say vulnerable people aren’t going to pubs isn’t true, I’ve seen many over 60’s (just one strand of ‘vulnerable’) in pubs. But like I said, it wasn’t just vulnerable people dying and getting seriously ill, as we kept being told. Many healthy, young people also lost their lives we were told. Of course the risk is greater for the vulnerable group, but I’d say that group are out more now than they were then, after all they were shielding back then and aren’t now.

Like I said, I’d love to see the figures of ages broken down from our positive cases list.

The English CMO said there isn’t enough evidence to say its weakening, not that it isn’t, just that they can’t prove that it is.

[Jones28]

Our hospitals were never bursting at the seams. There was always capacity to deal with it. It’s not that we’re not seeing the levels of deaths, we aren’t seeing any deaths whatsoever. And to say vulnerable people aren’t going to pubs isn’t true, I’ve seen many over 60’s (just one strand of ‘vulnerable’) in pubs. But like I said, it wasn’t just vulnerable people dying and getting seriously ill, as we kept being told. Many healthy, young people also lost their lives we were told. Of course the risk is greater for the vulnerable group, but I’d say that group are out more now than they were then, after all they were shielding back then and aren’t now.

Like I said, I’d love to see the figures of ages broken down from our positive cases list.

The English CMO said there isn’t enough evidence to say its weakening, not that it isn’t, just that they can’t prove that it is.

Capacity and experience are not the same thing. The point is that there’s been months of experience built up as well as people using preventative and precautionary techniques to stop the virus spreading so everyone is better placed to deal with it.

I’m seeing it with my local, people aren’t taking the precautions after a few pints which is why I’m not setting foot in a pub until we have a vaccine.

Anyway, the point of this is how quickly will we see fans back in games, but I think the clamour to get supporters back is a step too far, regardless of the levels within stadiums. We have football back, let’s not risk it, give it a bit more time and wait and see if a vaccine comes out in the next year or so.

[Moulin Yarns]

Our hospitals were never bursting at the seams. There was always capacity to deal with it. It’s not that we’re not seeing the levels of deaths, we aren’t seeing any deaths whatsoever. And to say vulnerable people aren’t going to pubs isn’t true, I’ve seen many over 60’s (just one strand of ‘vulnerable’) in pubs. But like I said, it wasn’t just vulnerable people dying and getting seriously ill, as we kept being told. Many healthy, young people also lost their lives we were told. Of course the risk is greater for the vulnerable group, but I’d say that group are out more now than they were then, after all they were shielding back then and aren’t now.

Like I said, I’d love to see the figures of ages broken down from our positive cases list.

The English CMO said there isn’t enough evidence to say its weakening, not that it isn’t, just that they can’t prove that it is.

And to get actual data rather than plucked figures from the air.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html


https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/jun/11/who-does-coronavirus-kill-in-england-and-wales-visualising-the-data

[B.H.F.C]

Capacity and experience are not the same thing. The point is that there’s been months of experience built up as well as people using preventative and precautionary techniques to stop the virus spreading so everyone is better placed to deal with it.

I’m seeing it with my local, people aren’t taking the precautions after a few pints which is why I’m not setting foot in a pub until we have a vaccine.

Anyway, the point of this is how quickly will we see fans back in games, but I think the clamour to get supporters back is a step too far, regardless of the levels within stadiums. We have football back, let’s not risk it, give it a bit more time and wait and see if a vaccine comes out in the next year or so.

There will be fans in stadiums well before there is a vaccine. Or certainly before any vaccine has been rolled out. If we have to wait for a vaccine to get fans back in to stadiums we won’t have teams to watch.

[hibbysam]

And to get actual data rather than plucked figures from the air.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html


https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/jun/11/who-does-coronavirus-kill-in-england-and-wales-visualising-the-data

What figures were plucked from thin air?

[hibbysam]

There will be fans in stadiums well before there is a vaccine. Or certainly before any vaccine has been rolled out. If we have to wait for a vaccine to get fans back in to stadiums we won’t have teams to watch.

There will be fans back in 2 weeks, and rightly so. Can do everything else but not enter a stadium to watch football.

[danhibees1875]

There will be fans back in 2 weeks, and rightly so. Can do everything else but not enter a stadium to watch football.

You can't do everything else though.

Hopefully infections and deaths stay low as we get into having the school's open for a few weeks, that should allow some comfort in opening stadiums up partially and gradually increasing capacities.

[hibbysam]

You can't do everything else though.

Hopefully infections and deaths stay low as we get into having the school's open for a few weeks, that should allow some comfort in opening stadiums up partially and gradually increasing capacities.

There’s very little in society that you can’t now do, or won’t be able to do after next week.

[danhibees1875]

There’s very little in society that you can’t now do, or won’t be able to do after next week.

Unfortunately there's plenty of things that we still can't or shouldn't do.

It's the middle of August in Edinburgh, there's a plethora of events that would usually be on which aren't.

You shouldn't meet with more than 8 people inside or 15 outside, and you shouldn't go within 2 metres of someone who doesn't live in your house. These restrictions make things very difficult for a lot of different things - it's not just football, which has had a bit of dispensation in order to be allowed to play at all for TV.

[Jones28]

There will be fans in stadiums well before there is a vaccine. Or certainly before any vaccine has been rolled out. If we have to wait for a vaccine to get fans back in to stadiums we won’t have teams to watch.

And then we have lock downs and seasons being postponed with no income to the club at all?

It doesn’t take much to see cities locked down, Aberdeen was one bar.

[B.H.F.C]

And then we have lock downs and seasons being postponed with no income to the club at all?

It doesn’t take much to see cities locked down, Aberdeen was one bar.

If that happens it won’t because football has allowed fans back in, it’ll be because there is a much wider issue. Why should football not be afforded the same opportunity as other industries in terms of getting people back through the door, if it is deemed that it can be done safely?

Football, also, doesn’t need to stop if there is a localised lockdown, Aberdeen played whilst restrictions were in place up there and the games they did have postponed were only because some of their own players were implicated.

[Keith_M]

... you shouldn't go within 2 metres of someone who doesn't live in your house. ....


Almost nobody is paying attention to that rule anymore.

I've noticed a difference in my daily walks in the park or visits to the local cafe or wherever, and it's like most people have given up on distancing (mask or no mask).

Almost everybody wears a mask in shops* but aside from that it's like there was no virus.




* In my experience, shop staff are the worst offenders for ignoring the rule. Not every shop, but almost every small grocers locally

[Moulin Yarns]

What figures were plucked from thin air?

100+ in Perth. There are not more than 100 cases in Perth. I've already said that yesterday.

[danhibees1875]

Almost nobody is paying attention to that rule anymore.

I've noticed a difference in my daily walks in the park or visits to the local cafe or wherever, and it's like most people have given up on distancing (mask or no mask).

Almost everybody wears a mask in shops* but aside from that it's like there was no virus.




* In my experience, shop staff are the worst offenders for ignoring the rule. Not every shop, but almost every small grocers locally

That's why I said shouldn't rather than couldn't - I agree, generally I think people aren't practicing the 2M rule.

Shop staff don't have to wear masks if they can maintain social distancing (I think).

[Jones28]

If that happens it won’t because football has allowed fans back in, it’ll be because there is a much wider issue. Why should football not be afforded the same opportunity as other industries in terms of getting people back through the door, if it is deemed that it can be done safely?

Football, also, doesn’t need to stop if there is a localised lockdown, Aberdeen played whilst restrictions were in place up there and the games they did have postponed were only because some of their own players were implicated.

I’m in the minority here so I’m going to bow out. I’ve said what I’ve wanted say.

[bingo70]

“Not a single Glasgow fan will be allowed into their @pro14 game v Edinburgh at BT Murrayfield on Friday. All 700 supporters will be from Edinburgh season ticket holder data base who live nearest BT Murrayfield due to Covid restrictions.“

Apologies if covered already but SRU restricting numbers and issuing tickets based on who lives closest to the ground.

As someone who lives on Lochend road I wholeheartedly back this idea should Hibs decide to use a similar system 😂

I’m using a laughing emoji but I can quite imagine just how raj people will go if we do use the same system. Hopefully there’s another fairer way of doing it.

[Keith_M]

That's why I said shouldn't rather than couldn't - I agree, generally I think people aren't practicing the 2M rule.

Shop staff don't have to wear masks if they can maintain social distancing (I think).


Sorry, I wasn't actually arguing for or against your point, just thought about that after you mentioned the 2M rule.

:aok:

[Keith_M]

I’m in the minority here so I’m going to bow out. I’ve said what I’ve wanted say.


I don't think you are. I think the argument is quite evenly divided either way.

Some people are just more vocal on one side than the other today :-)

[hibee_girl]

“Not a single Glasgow fan will be allowed into their @pro14 game v Edinburgh at BT Murrayfield on Friday. All 700 supporters will be from Edinburgh season ticket holder data base who live nearest BT Murrayfield due to Covid restrictions.“

Apologies if covered already but SRU restricting numbers and issuing tickets based on who lives closest to the ground.

As someone who lives on Lochend road I wholeheartedly back this idea should Hibs decide to use a similar system 😂

I’m using a laughing emoji but I can quite imagine just how raj people will go if we do use the same system. Hopefully there’s another fairer way of doing it.

I’d be delighted if that’s the case considering I’m next door to the stadium :greengrin

My Grandad would end up moving in with me so he could go to games 😂

[hibbysam]

100+ in Perth. There are not more than 100 cases in Perth. I've already said that yesterday.

100+ in Perthshire, which is where the outbreak happened.

[The dalmeny]

“Not a single Glasgow fan will be allowed into their @pro14 game v Edinburgh at BT Murrayfield on Friday. All 700 supporters will be from Edinburgh season ticket holder data base who live nearest BT Murrayfield due to Covid restrictions.“

Apologies if covered already but SRU restricting numbers and issuing tickets based on who lives closest to the ground.

As someone who lives on Lochend road I wholeheartedly back this idea should Hibs decide to use a similar system 😂

I’m using a laughing emoji but I can quite imagine just how raj people will go if we do use the same system. Hopefully there’s another fairer way of doing it.


they aren’t restricting numbers based on who lives closest, I suspect this was the limit put in place in conjunction with SG

[04Sauzee]

CONFIRMED

The UEFA Super Cup, on 24 September in Budapest, will be played with a reduced number of spectators – up to 30 % of the capacity of the stadium - in order to study precisely the impact of spectators on the UEFA Return to Play Protocol.

[Col2]

CONFIRMED

The UEFA Super Cup, on 24 September in Budapest, will be played with a reduced number of spectators – up to 30 % of the capacity of the stadium - in order to study precisely the impact of spectators on the UEFA Return to Play Protocol.

This is very interesting.

I think the best we can hope for - for Cup Semi in late October is something like this. But it would need to be Murrayfield given stadium far easier to handle social distancing and importantly it would limit travel significantly. Would allow c20k fans which would make a difference.

Has the SFA confirmed Hampden must be used or not?

[hibbysam]

This is very interesting.

I think the best we can hope for - for Cup Semi in late October is something like this. But it would need to be Murrayfield given stadium far easier to handle social distancing and importantly it would limit travel significantly. Would allow c20k fans which would make a difference.

Has the SFA confirmed Hampden must be used or not?

They said both games would be at hampden when they announced that they were still going ahead with the dates.

[Juniper Greens]

This is very interesting.

I think the best we can hope for - for Cup Semi in late October is something like this. But it would need to be Murrayfield given stadium far easier to handle social distancing and importantly it would limit travel significantly. Would allow c20k fans which would make a difference.

Has the SFA confirmed Hampden must be used or not?

20,000 Hibs fans then as the Hearts fans will be keeping their maroon pounds away from the corrupt SFA, who actively seek out opportunities to kick them. Disgusting the way they have been treated...

[ancient hibee]

Our hospitals were never bursting at the seams. There was always capacity to deal with it. It’s not that we’re not seeing the levels of deaths, we aren’t seeing any deaths whatsoever. And to say vulnerable people aren’t going to pubs isn’t true, I’ve seen many over 60’s (just one strand of ‘vulnerable’) in pubs. But like I said, it wasn’t just vulnerable people dying and getting seriously ill, as we kept being told. Many healthy, young people also lost their lives we were told. Of course the risk is greater for the vulnerable group, but I’d say that group are out more now than they were then, after all they were shielding back then and aren’t now.

Like I said, I’d love to see the figures of ages broken down from our positive cases list.

The English CMO said there isn’t enough evidence to say its weakening, not that it isn’t, just that they can’t prove that it is.

There were 28 deaths among people under 45 out of 4200 so not really the many that you say.

[we are hibs]

I dont envisage any way in which they could play the semi at Hampden infront of fans who have travelled from Edinburgh when theres a stadium in Edinburgh (with a higher capacity) that could do the job for 1 game at least.

[danhibees1875]

I dont envisage any way in which they could play the semi at Hampden infront of fans who have travelled from Edinburgh when theres a stadium in Edinburgh (with a higher capacity) that could do the job for 1 game at least.

I can imagine one way it could happen. If the SFA were in charge. :greengrin

[The 90+2]

I dont envisage any way in which they could play the semi at Hampden infront of fans who have travelled from Edinburgh when theres a stadium in Edinburgh (with a higher capacity) that could do the job for 1 game at least.

I think it will be easier now the SFA own the stadium and not contracted to play all Scottish Cup Semis at hampden.

[Moulin Yarns]

100+ in Perthshire, which is where the outbreak happened.

At last. As a resident of Perthshire, I can tell you that the cluster associated with the 2 Sisters food plant covers people in 3 local authority areas. Perth and Kinross, Angus and Dundee, so the figures are not 100+ in Perth or even Perthshire.

But keep making things up.


You asked for information on ages saying that many young people have died, the links give an insight.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

[hibbysam]

At last. As a resident of Perthshire, I can tell you that the cluster associated with the 2 Sisters food plant covers people in 3 local authority areas. Perth and Kinross, Angus and Dundee, so the figures are not 100+ in Perth or even Perthshire.

But keep making things up.

😂😂 You can be as pedantic as you like, the original point was always about the numbers from the large outbreaks. Not everyone out in Aberdeen would be from there, not everyone that worked in Lanarkshire would be from there. Simple facts are the outbreak happened there and that’s how many cases are associated with that outbreak.

[Keith_M]

I think it will be easier now the SFA own the stadium and not contracted to play all Scottish Cup Semis at hampden.


I can't see them choosing to pay the SRU money to host the match when they have their own stadium.

I'm not saying that's the right decision but, from a cost perspective, it's a strong argument that will probably sway them.

[lord bunberry]

Given that there’s no restriction on travel in Scotland I can’t understand why they would need to only allow fans who live closest to the stadium to attend at first. I could drive to Inverness and go to the cinema, why would they stop fans from attending Easter Road if they’re not local? I understand the no away fans as you’d want to get as many of your own season ticket holders in, is this another one of these things like not allowing the away team to use the away dressing room.

[B.H.F.C]

I can't see them choosing to pay the SRU money to host the match when they have their own stadium.

I'm not saying that's the right decision but, from a cost perspective, it's a strong argument that will probably sway them.

If playing it at Murrayfield as opposed to Hampden was the difference between getting fans in, or not, they’d be happy to pay the SRU a fee I think. Would give them an opportunity to make some money as opposed to playing in an empty Hampden.

[Sir David Gray]

Given that there’s no restriction on travel in Scotland I can’t understand why they would need to only allow fans who live closest to the stadium to attend at first. I could drive to Inverness and go to the cinema, why would they stop fans from attending Easter Road if they’re not local? I understand the no away fans as you’d want to get as many of your own season ticket holders in, is this another one of these things like not allowing the away team to use the away dressing room.

:agree: I was going to say this too.

I haven't seen anything official that this will be the case when football crowds start to return so I'll hold off with my outrage for the moment but given that Edinburgh Rugby fans need to live locally to get a ticket for Friday's match, I'll be pretty annoyed if I'm denied the chance to attend a game just because I can't see Easter Road from my kitchen window.

It's been nearly 2 months since the 5 mile limit on travel was lifted. I could almost see the point in it if there was no limit on the numbers that could attend but there will be so what difference does it make if the several hundred (or whatever it ends up being) who are allowed to attend initially come from Edinburgh or further afield?

[lord bunberry]

:agree: I was going to say this too.

I haven't seen anything official that this will be the case when football crowds start to return so I'll hold off with my outrage for the moment but given that Edinburgh Rugby fans need to live locally to get a ticket for Friday's match, I'll be pretty annoyed if I'm denied the chance to attend a game just because I can't see Easter Road from my kitchen window.

It's been nearly 2 months since the 5 mile limit on travel was lifted. I could almost see the point in it if there was no limit on the numbers that could attend but there will be so what difference does it make if the several hundred (or whatever it ends up being) who are allowed to attend initially come from Edinburgh or further afield?
We’ll just have to wait and see what they do but it wouldn’t make any sense to do it by postcodes.

[erin go bragh]

Up to 1000 Celtic fans could return to Celtic Park for the visit of Motherwell this weekend. Decision due tomorrow after meeting between SPFL and government. Still very much in the balance.

Just been tweeted by a bbc journo

[3pm]

How have Celtic been chosen?

[erin go bragh]

How have Celtic been chosen?

Largest stadium capacity is my guess

[hibbysam]

How have Celtic been chosen?

Other clubs have been quiet, so presumably the only club that’s proactively trying to get fans in ASAP.

[Iggy Pope]

How have Celtic been chosen?

Because they’ll keep distanced, behave themselves, wash their hands and won’t jump about wave flags about and do the Poznan or that.
Huns next.
Wee Jimmy Krankie loses respect if she tests it out with this lot.

[Iggy Pope]

:agree: I was going to say this too.

I haven't seen anything official that this will be the case when football crowds start to return so I'll hold off with my outrage for the moment but given that Edinburgh Rugby fans need to live locally to get a ticket for Friday's match, I'll be pretty annoyed if I'm denied the chance to attend a game just because I can't see Easter Road from my kitchen window.

It's been nearly 2 months since the 5 mile limit on travel was lifted. I could almost see the point in it if there was no limit on the numbers that could attend but there will be so what difference does it make if the several hundred (or whatever it ends up being) who are allowed to attend initially come from Edinburgh or further afield?

Get outraged but with an Edinburgh postcode you know it makes sense.

[Moulin Yarns]

😂😂 You can be as pedantic as you like, the original point was always about the numbers from the large outbreaks. Not everyone out in Aberdeen would be from there, not everyone that worked in Lanarkshire would be from there. Simple facts are the outbreak happened there and that’s how many cases are associated with that outbreak.

Yes, but they don't all live in Perthshire so the cases by health board that Sir David Gray posts daily have a total for Tayside, not all of them are in Perthshire. Pedantic? Or just wanting accuracy.

[B.H.F.C]

How have Celtic been chosen?

I don’t think they’ve been chosen as such. More that they’ve actually pushed to try and make it happen. They’ve been quite vocal about it for quite a while.

[Sir David Gray]

Get outraged but with an Edinburgh postcode you know it makes sense.

Why does it make sense?

I can travel up to Shetland to watch a film at the cinema, why wouldn't I have the same chance as any other season ticket holder to attend games whenever it becomes possible?

It's either safe to travel over 5 miles for leisure purposes or it's not.

[hibbysam]

Yes, but they don't all live in Perthshire so the cases by health board that Sir David Gray posts daily have a total for Tayside, not all of them are in Perthshire. Pedantic? Or just wanting accuracy.

In reality, what I was talking about, it doesn’t matter one bit where they come from, or where it even started for that matter. It was all about the overall number of cases emanating from these outbreaks. You knew that though. You also can’t say for certainty that they aren’t from Perthshire considering they don’t post names and addresses of those who have tested. But again, that’s beside the point and totally irrelevant to the points i was making. Have a cracking day.

[Iggy Pope]

Why does it make sense?

I can travel up to Shetland to watch a film at the cinema, why wouldn't I have the same chance as any other season ticket holder to attend games whenever it becomes possible?

It's either safe to travel over 5 miles for leisure purposes or it's not.

OK, OK don’t get really really outraged yet save it for a bit, just a laugh for now, keep your Falkirk postcode. Wouldn’t recommend the Shetlands for the pictures though.

[neil7908]

Why does it make sense?

I can travel up to Shetland to watch a film at the cinema, why wouldn't I have the same chance as any other season ticket holder to attend games whenever it becomes possible?

It's either safe to travel over 5 miles for leisure purposes or it's not.

If there were hundred/thousands of folk taking public transport to the cinema up in the Shetlands then it probably would be an issue.

[inglisavhibs]

If there were hundred/thousands of folk taking public transport to the cinema up in the Shetlands then it probably would be an issue.
Alphabetical sounds good to me🤒 means families could sit together.

[Sir David Gray]

If there were hundred/thousands of folk taking public transport to the cinema up in the Shetlands then it probably would be an issue.

It was just an example off the top of my head.

What about being allowed to go on holiday for a week to St Andrews, mixing with hundreds of people during that week whilst I stay with other guests at the hotel, go shopping, take in a round of golf and spend a couple of days at the beach and go to several restaurants? There's no restrictions on that.

Allowing football fans to attend matches again is part of the reopening of the entertainment industry. People attend things like football matches, concerts, shows etc from all over the country so to open it up again there has to be a degree of risk involved. For me that is addressed by limiting the number of people who can initially attend.

That shouldn't just be the number that's considered to be safe inside the stadium, it should be the number that's considered to be safe before, during and after the event.

You're going to get people using public transport within Edinburgh as well, tram, bus etc. what's the difference?

We're not talking about an unlimited number of people coming to the game yet, the number will be limited so I really don't see the problem with including people from outwith Edinburgh as part of that limited number.

I'd also be coming from a health board area that's recorded just 30 cases of Covid-19 in the past 6 weeks.

As I said, it's either safe to travel over 5 miles for leisure purposes or it's not.

[Iggy Pope]

Of all the inconsequential and whispering, gnawing nonsense of these past months this thread just about puts the tin lid right on it. Good grief. Once they let fans back I hope they seriously look at postcodes a bit. It could be vital.

[Carheenlea]

https://i.postimg.cc/nzSvTHRd/5-BB896-F2-9412-499-C-B26-F-D2786263-D9-E1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/wyJyjddJ)

If shoehorning Tynecastle in amongst national and top-flight stadiums wasn’t desperate enough, basing the calculations on a 20,099 capacity is just top drawer from Baz Anderson :lolyam:

[Moulin Yarns]

In reality, what I was talking about, it doesn’t matter one bit where they come from, or where it even started for that matter. It was all about the overall number of cases emanating from these outbreaks. You knew that though. You also can’t say for certainty that they aren’t from Perthshire considering they don’t post names and addresses of those who have tested. But again, that’s beside the point and totally irrelevant to the points i was making. Have a cracking day.

For accuracy.

When the official government briefings tell everyone that the cases linked to the2 sisters plant in Coupar Angus (not Perth, 14 miles away) cover Perth and Kinross, Dundee and Angus I.m inclined to beleive them.

[Keith_M]

Of all the inconsequential and whispering, gnawing nonsense of these past months this thread just about puts the tin lid right on it. Good grief. Once they let fans back I hope they seriously look at postcodes a bit. It could be vital.


Totally agree. Anyone living in areas with a postcode of G42 should get top priority.

What's the point of sharing a postcode with the SFA and SPFL if you don't get at least some benefits from it?

[Moulin Yarns]

Like I said, I’d love to see the figures of ages broken down from our positive cases list.


You mean like this?


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

or this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/jun/11/who-does-coronavirus-kill-in-england-and-wales-visualising-the-data

[The 90+2]

It was just an example off the top of my head.

What about being allowed to go on holiday for a week to St Andrews, mixing with hundreds of people during that week whilst I stay with other guests at the hotel, go shopping, take in a round of golf and spend a couple of days at the beach and go to several restaurants? There's no restrictions on that.

Allowing football fans to attend matches again is part of the reopening of the entertainment industry. People attend things like football matches, concerts, shows etc from all over the country so to open it up again there has to be a degree of risk involved. For me that is addressed by limiting the number of people who can initially attend.

That shouldn't just be the number that's considered to be safe inside the stadium, it should be the number that's considered to be safe before, during and after the event.

You're going to get people using public transport within Edinburgh as well, tram, bus etc. what's the difference?

We're not talking about an unlimited number of people coming to the game yet, the number will be limited so I really don't see the problem with including people from outwith Edinburgh as part of that limited number.

I'd also be coming from a health board area that's recorded just 30 cases of Covid-19 in the past 6 weeks.

As I said, it's either safe to travel over 5 miles for leisure purposes or it's not.

Just move to Edinburgh ffs 🤣

[Keith_M]

Given the age groups most likely to adversely suffer infections, I think Hibs should play a few games with only the Family Section open, for Season Ticket holders only

Most of the kids will have been well trained by that time, having been back to school, and it's really easy to to socially distancing in the FF Lower.


Obviously, they'll need to be accompanied by a responsible* adult that also happens to have a Season Ticket in that section...

:wink:






* I use the word 'responsible' in it's loosest sense....

[ancient hibee]

If restricted numbers are allowed in seats will be allocated so that the club will know for sure exactly who sat where and who nearest contacts are.

[04Sauzee]

.@scotgov has knocked back a proposal from @CelticFC to use this weekend’s league match against @MotherwellFC as a test event with limited fans. https://t.co/p0QGeNxauO

[Sir David Gray]

.@scotgov has knocked back a proposal from @CelticFC to use this weekend’s league match against @MotherwellFC as a test event with limited fans. https://t.co/p0QGeNxauO

Wonder what reasons they've given for that.

[Keith_M]

Wonder what reasons they've given for that.



An overwhelming fear of making any kind of mistake after the Care Home catastrophe?

[Sir David Gray]

An overwhelming fear of making any kind of mistake after the Care Home catastrophe?

Possibly but considering we're less than 3 weeks away from the indicative date given for opening up events with spectators for real I would have thought they would have been wanting to carry out this test event.

Unless of course the date for allowing spectators is being pushed back.

[Scouse Hibee]

Possibly but considering we're less than 3 weeks away from the indicative date given for opening up events with spectators for real I would have thought they would have been wanting to carry out this test event.

Unless of course the date for allowing spectators is being pushed back.

I think your last sentence is very likely.

[SHODAN]

Possibly but considering we're less than 3 weeks away from the indicative date given for opening up events with spectators for real I would have thought they would have been wanting to carry out this test event.

Unless of course the date for allowing spectators is being pushed back.

I would think that's almost definitely the case.

[Sir David Gray]

I think your last sentence is very likely.

Yep I fully expect that to be the case.

I suppose we'll find out at the next review on 10th September.

[Keith_M]

Possibly but considering we're less than 3 weeks away from the indicative date given for opening up events with spectators for real I would have thought they would have been wanting to carry out this test event.

Unless of course the date for allowing spectators is being pushed back.



I think your last sentence is very likely.


Agreed.

[The 90+2]

Yep I fully expect that to be the case.

I suppose we'll find out at the next review on 10th September.


Plenty time for you to find a gaff in the EH territory :na na:

[Sir David Gray]

Plenty time for you to find a gaff in the EH territory :na na:

Well if you're paying...:wink:

[The 90+2]

Well if you're paying...:wink:

On the other hand..:aok:

[TheGog]

Our game with THE Rangers been moved to the 20th might be the first game we are allowed back if not I'd defo expect some sort of fans there like test run if it has been moved back

[Monts]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/53921797

2500 to be allowed into Brighton friendly with Chelsea

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/53921797

2500 to be allowed into Brighton friendly with Chelsea

Less than 10% of the capacity so we're probably looking at around 1500 for Easter Road if we follow suit.

Interesting that the rugby will be at nearly 30% capacity.

[marinello59]

Less than 10% of the capacity so we're probably looking at around 1500 for Easter Road if we follow suit.

Interesting that the rugby will be at nearly 30% capacity.

So 15% of ST holders getting in to any one game at a time. The financial implications for our club and others will be huge if that's the best we can expect. Poland has moved to 50% for the new season after finishing the last one on 25% capacity. Hopefully we get closer to those figures or the game is stuffed.

[hibbysam]

You mean like this?


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

or this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/jun/11/who-does-coronavirus-kill-in-england-and-wales-visualising-the-data

Nope, that tells me nothing about all of the recent cases in Scotland of which absolutely none have ended up in ICU or dead. However, it does show that the virus still has an effect on young people, and that even if 100% of these recent cases were under 30, you’d still expect a number of them to end up in ICU based on the numbers from early on with the virus. Now we know not all of these people were under 30, so that would then increase the likelihood. So the answer of ‘they’re mostly younger people’ doesn’t really explain why zero have ended up in ICU. I’ll have my thoughts and questions, you can choose to take absolutely everything someone tells you as gospel even when it doesn’t make sense. Fair enough, it’s gone off topic long enough, at least it seems like fans will be back in stadia very soon and for that I’m grateful.

[G B Young]

Less than 10% of the capacity so we're probably looking at around 1500 for Easter Road if we follow suit.

Interesting that the rugby will be at nearly 30% capacity.

However the Edinburgh v Glasgow rugby at Murrayfield this Friday will be at less than 1% capacity (not that Edinburgh v Glasgow would ever attract more than 70,000 fans in normal circumstances but based on the stadium's capacity it's a miniscule crowd they're allowing in). A similar approach at ER would see crowds of circa 200.

I'd guess that the Scottish Government are simply continuing to adopt an ultra cautious approach re football, which is fine by me though clearly frustrating for the clubs in terms of trying to generate more revenue.

[Sir David Gray]

However the Edinburgh v Glasgow rugby at Murrayfield this Friday will be at less than 1% capacity (not that Edinburgh v Glasgow would ever attract more than 70,000 fans in normal circumstances but based on the stadium's capacity it's a miniscule crowd they're allowing in). A similar approach at ER would see crowds of circa 200.

I'd guess that the Scottish Government are simply continuing to adopt an ultra cautious approach re football, which is fine by me though clearly frustrating for the clubs in terms of trying to generate more revenue.

I know I'm a fairly regular critic of the Scottish Government over on the Holy Ground but I would say that the return of mass gatherings is the one area I'm willing to cut them some slack on with regards to numbers. I still don't agree that limited numbers should only come from certain postcode areas but I'm aware that the days of 13-14,000+ at Easter Road are a long way off at the moment and understandably so.

I hope the crowd that's permitted at the rugby is just in line with the crowd they would have expected to see anyway rather than the Scottish Government only wanting stadiums to be 1% full. If that was the case, there won't be many clubs still around to support once this is all over.

[G B Young]

I know I'm a fairly regular critic of the Scottish Government over on the Holy Ground but I would say that the return of mass gatherings is the one area I'm willing to cut them some slack on with regards to numbers. I still don't agree that limited numbers should only come from certain postcode areas but I'm aware that the days of 13-14,000+ at Easter Road are a long way off at the moment and understandably so.

I hope the crowd that's permitted at the rugby is just in line with the crowd they would have expected to see anyway rather than the Scottish Government only wanting stadiums to be 1% full. If that was the case, there won't be many clubs still around to support once this is all over.

The crowd at the most recent Edinburgh v Glasgow match was around 27,000.

[Sir David Gray]

The crowd at the most recent Edinburgh v Glasgow match was around 27,000.

Oh right obviously showing my ignorance of rugby! Is that normal for Edinburgh? I just assumed their average crowds were maybe 1500-2000?

[The dalmeny]

However the Edinburgh v Glasgow rugby at Murrayfield this Friday will be at less than 1% capacity (not that Edinburgh v Glasgow would ever attract more than 70,000 fans in normal circumstances but based on the stadium's capacity it's a miniscule crowd they're allowing in). A similar approach at ER would see crowds of circa 200.

I'd guess that the Scottish Government are simply continuing to adopt an ultra cautious approach re football, which is fine by me though clearly frustrating for the clubs in terms of trying to generate more revenue.

Your 70 k figure got me thinking. The whole Stadium isn’t open on Friday just the east stand,upper and lower I believe. T’intrnet search says the east stand capacity is just under 11k ( not sure correct) 750 tickets to fans plus another 25O to hangers on so your actually running at nearer 10%. The other 3 stands will be at nil capacity.

perhaps in the medium term grounds will have 2 from 4 stands open opposite each other so you’re halving fan interaction (different exit/enterance) Are the east and west stands roughly 14k total? 10% 1400, 50% 7k

[Keith_M]

Oh right obviously showing my ignorance of rugby! Is that normal for Edinburgh? I just assumed their average crowds were maybe 1500-2000?


Just had a quick look online and both Edinburgh and Glasgow have average crowds just over 7k.

[The dalmeny]

Just had a quick look online and both Edinburgh and Glasgow have average crowds just over 7k.

Edinburgh probably average 7k because they get 27k for the Glasgow fixture so probably nearer 4-5k. Glasgow get 7k cos that’s their ground capacity almost all the games are sold out

[Keith_M]

Edinburgh probably average 7k because they get 27k for the Glasgow fixture so probably nearer 4-5k. Glasgow get 7k cos that’s their ground capacity almost all the games are sold out


I know somebody that has a season ticket for Glasgow and he's always moaning about the ground only being half-full, despite the 'sold out' signs.


Apparently it's not just us that moan about Season Ticket holders not turning up :wink:

[The dalmeny]

I know somebody that has a season ticket for Glasgow and he's always moaning about the ground only being half-full, despite the 'sold out' signs.


Apparently it's not just us that moan about Season Ticket holders not turning up :wink:

I live with one, your friend is perhaps being a little melodramatic however the number of ST holders means there’s very little walk up capacity. Plus away support is entitled to a % but other than the Irish rarely take up in any number.

notice I said sold out not full up lol

[Sir David Gray]

Just had a quick look online and both Edinburgh and Glasgow have average crowds just over 7k.

Cheers learn something new every day!

In that case quite why they wouldn't allow their average attendance of 7000 to attend a stadium that holds nearly 70000 is mystifying.

[blackpoolhibs]

Would it be cost effective to only let 10% of our capacity in?

[The dalmeny]

Cheers learn something new every day!

In that case quite why they wouldn't allow their average attendance of 7000 to attend a stadium that holds nearly 70000 is mystifying.

It’s all about what the options are and why they are building the wee stadium out the back of Murrayfield.

[Iggy Pope]

Would it be cost effective to only let 10% of our capacity in?

Are you thinking police, stewards, ambulance, turnstiles, sanitisers, postcode checkers (:greengrin) and stuff like that while the 10% would already have paid for their Season Ticket upfront anyway?

Me too.

[marinello59]

Would it be cost effective to only let 10% of our capacity in?

After the money the club has received from season ticket renewals I think they should still be in profit after every game .

[ancient hibee]

After the money the club has received from season ticket renewals I think they should still be in profit after every game .

Money from seasons doesn’t even cover wage costs so I doubt that.

[marinello59]

Money from seasons doesn’t even cover wage costs so I doubt that.

My badly made point was that the money the fans have already paid to attend each match will be more than the match day costs by a considerable margin.

[Eyrie]

Well if you're paying...:wink:

Can you not just move in with Scouse Hibee?


:devil:

[Sir David Gray]

List of requirements to attend the Brighton v Chelsea friendly;

2,500 tickets available for Amex friendly on Saturday
Chelsea match to be first to be played in front of spectators since March with tickets on sale for season-ticket holders and 1901 Club members.

The government approved the event on Wednesday afternoon, and the game is the stadium’s first to include fans since lockdown commenced in March. As this is not a league fixture, tickets will be sold to season-ticket holders and 1901 Club members in priority windows, based on loyalty points.

The match is all-ticket and in the unlikely event the game does not sell out, there will be no ticket sales on the day. Please note, tickets will not be made available to Chelsea supporters as we are not permitted to admit visiting supporters.

To conform with the government’s track-and-trace rules, booking a ticket for this match requires you to ensure your personal and contact details are all up to date, and you have provided the club with a current working mobile phone number.

Covid-Secure Stadium Arrangements

Several significant changes have been made to the stadium and operations to fulfill this test event, in line with government guidelines.

Cleaning operations and sanitisation has been scaled up significantly.

Sanitising stations will be available across the stadium, on entry to all turnstiles, the store, near catering outlets and within toilets.

In line with government track and trace, the named owner of the ticket must be attending the match. The transfer of tickets is strictly forbidden.

Named photographic ID must be shown on entry and must match the name on the ticket. Entry will not be permitted without your photo ID and match ticket being verified.

The club will no longer be issuing tickets on club ticket stock – tickets will be available as print at home, or by loading tickets to your Google Pay/Apple Wallet, to reduce touchpoints and meet safety requirements.

All payments in the stadium will be cashless. Contactless payment is preferred and can be made by mobile phone/credit/debit card.

Face coverings must always be worn at the stadium on matchday, unless sat in a seat or while eating or drinking.
Supporters must socially distance and ensure they only sit in the seat allocated to them. Supporters are not permitted to move seats at any time.

To reduce the need or time required for entry searches, supporters are discouraged from bringing any bags to the stadium. For those requiring a bag the maximum size permitted is A4. Please note there will be no bag storage facilities available.

Random temperature checks will be in operation. Please be prepared to comply with stewards' requests to check your temperature prior to entry to the stadium.

Any supporters who is currently required to quarantine under government guidelines, or who shows any symptoms of Covid-19, must not attend the match.

Supporters are advised to read our new Supporter Code of Conduct before booking tickets.

[Jones28]

Would it be cost effective to only let 10% of our capacity in?

I don’t see how it could be.

[erin go bragh]

Would it be cost effective to only let 10% of our capacity in?

100% of season holders have already paid . So surely it would be cheaper to police just 10% .

[truehibernian]

I think wee Nicola should relent and let a few Celtic fans in at the weekend :greengrin:faf:

No strikers in a game of football :faf::faf::faf:

Come home Leigh :aok:

[04Sauzee]

St Johnstone charging £17.5 for their PPV against St Mirren

[04Sauzee]

Chris Mclaughlan tweets

Government inviting Scottish football to submit plans for up to 3 test events involving fans on Saturday 12th September. Numbers in the low hundreds. Rangers v Dundee Utd and Ross County v Celtic will almost certainly make the list.

[Monts]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53951299

Why is it a foregone conclusion that rangers and celtic will be 2 of the 3 test events?

[ancient hibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53951299

Why is it a foregone conclusion that rangers and celtic will be 2 of the 3 test events?

One reason is that Ross are very keen and have already applied.

[davhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53951299

Why is it a foregone conclusion that rangers and celtic will be 2 of the 3 test events?

It’s got nothing to do with Celtic. They won’t have any fans there.

[B.H.F.C]

Ross County put something out about it the other day. If you want to do these things you need to push yourself forward for it. Obviously we’re away that weekend so who knows whether we would have wanted to or not.

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53951299

Why is it a foregone conclusion that rangers and celtic will be 2 of the 3 test events?

Those bar stewards will, of course, always push themselves forward, thinking it's their right. Permission denied on the grounds of public safety. This is a bad idea.

[04Sauzee]

JRG update

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/coronavirus-joint-response-group-update-28-august/?rid=13929

[B.H.F.C]

JRG update

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/coronavirus-joint-response-group-update-28-august/?rid=13929

That seems quite positive.

Hopefully we’re in a position to get some season ticket holders in the Rangers game the week after.

[NthCarolinaHibs]

So at Brighton,they let 2500 fans in to a friendly..but meanwhile in Scotland,a stadium more than twice the capacity of Brighton,is only allowed 600 fans for rugby...seems fair enough..🙄

[Nakedmanoncrack]

So at Brighton,they let 2500 fans in to a friendly..but meanwhile in Scotland,a stadium more than twice the capacity of Brighton,is only allowed 600 fans for rugby...seems fair enough..🙄

Yes, seems reasonable.
Unless you want us to follow whatever the government in England decide,

[NthCarolinaHibs]

Yes, seems reasonable.
Unless you want us to follow whatever the government in England decide,
I'm curious why you think that's reasonable on ground capacity, and fan admission numbers..

[The dalmeny]

So at Brighton,they let 2500 fans in to a friendly..but meanwhile in Scotland,a stadium more than twice the capacity of Brighton,is only allowed 600 fans for rugby...seems fair enough..🙄

But only one stand was open

[Billy Whizz]

So how did last night go with the rugby?

[linlithgowhibbie]

So how did last night go with the rugby?

The Weegies won!

Dunno about the crowd tho.

[Sir David Gray]

So how did last night go with the rugby?

Review here.

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/quiet-re-launch-proves-fans-return-is-worth-fighting-for?top

This was the Dos and Don'ts.

https://www.edinburghrugby.org/tickets-and-hospitality/matchday-information

[hibbysam]

Review here.

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/quiet-re-launch-proves-fans-return-is-worth-fighting-for?top

This was the Dos and Don'ts.

https://www.edinburghrugby.org/tickets-and-hospitality/matchday-information

Nothing overly difficult in those rules and regs I wouldn’t say. Face masks are a pain but if it gets us back then I’m all for it. The rest is common sense really. I’ll read the reviews later.

[Sir David Gray]

Nothing overly difficult in those rules and regs I wouldn’t say. Face masks are a pain but if it gets us back then I’m all for it. The rest is common sense really. I’ll read the reviews later.

I'll wear a face covering as well if it gets me back to the football however I would question the science behind the requirement to wear one whilst you are in your seat.

It's not in line with Scottish Government guidelines which is to wear one where it's not possible to keep your distance from others.

[Keith_M]

I'll wear a face covering as well if it gets me back to the football however I would question the science behind the requirement to wear one whilst you are in your seat.

It's not in line with Scottish Government guidelines which is to wear one where it's not possible to keep your distance from others.


Is it maybe because of the screaming and shouting fans do at games?

:dunno:



I see some people are up in arms about allowing a test event at rugby, but not football. To be fair, the SG wanted to have a single event to start with and the rugby one has been planned for a while. It doesn't necessarily mean they're against having these things at football, just that they wanted to see how the rugby event went first.

Also rugby fans are, on the whole, a bit more civilised (at least at club games in Scotland).

Celtc fans, on the other hand....

[hibbysam]

I'll wear a face covering as well if it gets me back to the football however I would question the science behind the requirement to wear one whilst you are in your seat.

It's not in line with Scottish Government guidelines which is to wear one where it's not possible to keep your distance from others.

Likewise. I get it for moving around and to and from the seat, but while seated you shouldn’t be anywhere near anyone else. I’ll happily wear one to get back though.

[Sir David Gray]

Is it maybe because of the screaming and shouting fans do at games?

:dunno:



I see some people are up in arms about allowing a test event at rugby, but not football. To be fair, the SG wanted to have a single event to start with and the rugby one has been planned for a while. It doesn't necessarily mean they're against having these things at football, just that they wanted to see how the rugby event went first.

Also rugby fans are, on the whole, a bit more civilised (at least at club games in Scotland).

Celtc fans, on the other hand....

This is from the Scottish Government website;

There is no evidence to suggest there might be a benefit outdoors from wearing a face covering unless in a crowded situation.

I believe there's to be three football matches with fans in two weeks' time. I think there ought to have been several test events this weekend. I think they should have been looking to try different setups in different types of stadia.

On one hand I can understand why Murrayfield was picked but on the other hand, I'm not too sure what having 700 people inside a stadium which holds nearly 70,000 people actually tells us.

[hibbysam]

This is from the Scottish Government website;

There is no evidence to suggest there might be a benefit outdoors from wearing a face covering unless in a crowded situation.

I believe there's to be three football matches with fans in two weeks' time. I think there ought to have been several test events this weekend. I think they should have been looking to try different setups in different types of stadia.

On one hand I can understand why Murrayfield was picked but on the other hand, I'm not too sure what having 700 people inside a stadium which holds nearly 70,000 people actually tells us.

Again, I said the same as this a few days ago, and the consensus then wasn’t to determine the risks of that event but more so to understand the logistics behind fans entering, leaving and the processes that should be in place.

[Sir David Gray]

Again, I said the same as this a few days ago, and the consensus then wasn’t to determine the risks of that event but more so to understand the logistics behind fans entering, leaving and the processes that should be in place.

I can understand that as well but the average capacity in the SPFL is just under 11,500.

I'm sure testing Murrayfield has its place but so too would testing much smaller stadia.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/quiet-re-launch-proves-fans-return-is-worth-fighting-for?top

A decent example of the fans experience last night. A clear idea of what to expect.

[Keith_M]

This is from the Scottish Government website;

There is no evidence to suggest there might be a benefit outdoors from wearing a face covering unless in a crowded situation.

I believe there's to be three football matches with fans in two weeks' time. I think there ought to have been several test events this weekend. I think they should have been looking to try different setups in different types of stadia.

On one hand I can understand why Murrayfield was picked but on the other hand, I'm not too sure what having 700 people inside a stadium which holds nearly 70,000 people actually tells us.


I think they plan to gradually increase the numbers and see how it pans out.

Though, like you, I don't see any reason why they couldn't have opened up more than one stand, but then I'm not an 'expert'.

[Keith_M]

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/quiet-re-launch-proves-fans-return-is-worth-fighting-for?top

A decent example of the fans experience last night. A clear idea of what to expect.


"The final whistle sounded and the spectators were ushered out one row at a time – back rows first – and solemnly the 700 made their way into the chill Edinburgh night."


That's never going to happen at football, where people start leaving with 15-20 minutes to go.

There'd have to be an agreement that everybody waits until the end of the game.

[The dalmeny]

I think they plan to gradually increase the numbers and see how it pans out.

Though, like you, I don't see any reason why they couldn't have opened up more than one stand, but then I'm not an 'expert'.

that’s the stand that’s normally open although there were folk in the top deck last night, Leitch if I saw him correctly for example. I think it would be better to increase the crowd density rather than the number by opening more of the stadium.

theres no crowd at the Ulster semi next week so there won’t be another opportunity until ‘next season’.

[Billy Whizz]

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/quiet-re-launch-proves-fans-return-is-worth-fighting-for?top

A decent example of the fans experience last night. A clear idea of what to expect.

The social distancing at Amex today, 3 stands open only

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Whilst sporting events jump through hoops, and tie ourselves in knots over how to distance etc..I've just walked through Grassmarket, and down the High St, thousands of people (mainly tourists from all over the world) thronging the streets, crowds gathered cheek by jowl around a street performer, business as usual.

[Keith_M]

Whilst sporting events jump through hoops, and tie ourselves in knots over how to distance etc..I've just walked through Grassmarket, and down the High St, thousands of people (mainly tourists from all over the world) thronging the streets, crowds gathered cheek by jowl around a street performer, business as usual.



Yep, it is weird.

Football, and other sports, are being set a really high bar.

[SteveHFC]

Picture from Brighton-Chelsea earlier today. That's the way it should be to get the crowds back.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/15DC1/production/_114173598_gettyimages-1228253136.jpg

[marinello59]

This is from the Scottish Government website;

There is no evidence to suggest there might be a benefit outdoors from wearing a face covering unless in a crowded situation.

I believe there's to be three football matches with fans in two weeks' time. I think there ought to have been several test events this weekend. I think they should have been looking to try different setups in different types of stadia.

On one hand I can understand why Murrayfield was picked but on the other hand, I'm not too sure what having 700 people inside a stadium which holds nearly 70,000 people actually tells us.

The football test events are being held over the weekend that we were told fans would be returning to games. That ticks a box I guess but there will be no rush to get us back in any sort of meaningful numbers.
I was at a a Polish fourth tier game yesterday. Attendance was restricted to 50% ( which really made no practical difference.) Face masks did not have to be worn. You sat where you wanted and were trusted to maintain social distancing from other groups and it worked. The main difference in Scotland is our Government simply doesn’t trust football fans to self police at all.