What's the chances of fans going back in September?

[Sir David Gray]

I honestly thought we would have been back by now and am gutted it has not worked out that way. Currently I'm spending £75pm on the payment plan for season tickets I was happy to pay that if we were getting back to the stadium however if we are not getting back until next season I don't really want to keep paying that cash for no return unfortunately.

Whats folks thoughts?

Do you think Hibs will change their thoughts on this now and carry over the season ticket next season or continue with the current model of a season ticket allows you to watch the games live only on Hibs TV?

The latter.

I don't see anyone being offered a refund on this season's season ticket.

[Paul1642]

Don’t see any clubs selling many half season tickets this season.

[blackpoolhibs]

With it looking all but certain we won't see fans back this season they should give serious consideration to scrapping the cup competitions for this season (as well as last season's remaining Scottish Cup games) and just play out the league games. With no ticket sales to offset costs, that would at least save clubs (especially smaller clubs) on travel/accommodation.

You still banging that drum.

[Speedy]

The players did that in their own time.

If you'd been with the Aberdeen players that night, would your employer have been fined?

If an Aberdeen player was sitting in the park chatting to a guy talk about the inner workings of the guy's bank's pricing strategy then the Aberdeen player wouldn’t get in bother. Chances are someone in financial services could get in bother for that (as could their employer).

[Lago]

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With it looking all but certain we won't see fans back this season they should give serious consideration to scrapping the cup competitions for this season (as well as last season's remaining Scottish Cup games) and just play out the league games. With no ticket sales to offset costs, that would at least save clubs (especially smaller clubs) on travel/accommodation.
Excellent point.

[hibbysam]

With it looking all but certain we won't see fans back this season they should give serious consideration to scrapping the cup competitions for this season (as well as last season's remaining Scottish Cup games) and just play out the league games. With no ticket sales to offset costs, that would at least save clubs (especially smaller clubs) on travel/accommodation.

Aye and do ourselves out of money from last seasons Scottish, plus probably having to pay even more back towards paying Premier Sports back. No thank you. Not to mention the chance to play hearts in a semi final.

[ancient hibee]

With it looking all but certain we won't see fans back this season they should give serious consideration to scrapping the cup competitions for this season (as well as last season's remaining Scottish Cup games) and just play out the league games. With no ticket sales to offset costs, that would at least save clubs (especially smaller clubs) on travel/accommodation.

That won’t happen.The TV and sponsorship money for the cups are too important.The least prize money any team in the League Cup gets is £20K,a fortune for the smallest clubs.

[Kato]

You still banging that drum.

It's a rotten drum.

[theonlywayisup]

From the BBC:

Fans may not to be able to return to watch live sporting events in England until the end of March at the earliest.

At a meeting on Tuesday, sports governing bodies - including those from football, rugby, cricket, Formula 1 and horse racing - were told to prepare for no spectators throughout the winter.

[Sir David Gray]

From the BBC:

Fans may not to be able to return to watch live sporting events in England until the end of March at the earliest.

At a meeting on Tuesday, sports governing bodies - including those from football, rugby, cricket, Formula 1 and horse racing - were told to prepare for no spectators throughout the winter.

Yep the restrictions announced in England today (including no sports fans) is expected to last for 6 months so that would take you to March.

[FilipinoHibs]

Not looking good. The championship and below will struggle to survive:

Coronavirus: Fans may not be able to return to sporting events until at least end of March - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54246745

[Sir David Gray]

Not looking good. The championship and below will struggle to survive:

Coronavirus: Fans may not be able to return to sporting events until at least end of March - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54246745

I'd be stunned if every club in Scotland survives this.

[Since452]

It's horrible saying this as I could imagine the pain of this happening to Hibs but maybe for the betterment of the game going forward it wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe some clubs could merge etc. 42 senior clubs in Scotland is a lot.

[Sir David Gray]

It's horrible saying this as I could imagine the pain of this happening to Hibs but maybe for the betterment of the game going forward it wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe some clubs could merge etc. 42 senior clubs in Scotland is a lot.

Who's going to support those new clubs?

[greenlex]

It's horrible saying this as I could imagine the pain of this happening to Hibs but maybe for the betterment of the game going forward it wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe some clubs could merge etc. 42 senior clubs in Scotland is a lot.
Alright Anne. I get the feeling you might need one or two of them going forward so maybe best just shut it and keep a lower profile hen.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

You still banging that drum.

Yup - cuckoo.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Not looking good. The championship and below will struggle to survive:

Coronavirus: Fans may not be able to return to sporting events until at least end of March - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54246745

How will PL clubs survive?

Hibs will have substantial monthly commitments with minimal income - and yet are still buying new players?

Businesses tend to spend money as soon as they get it - they generally don't have cash reserves to draw on when things go bad - how long can clubs continue in this environment before they just stop paying players?

I know it's only football - but the last 6 months have proved that people need it - we also need restaurants, cafes, to be able to travel - it's all what makes society. Going to the office on a Monday morning and talking about the game / looking forward to the derby at the weekend. I'd hate to be working from home if I was just starting out in my working life - I'm retired now but am still in touch with people I met at work 30 years ago - I wouldn't have that relationship if I'd only met them on a zoom call once a week.

Watching football on tv at the moment is joyless - it would have been great to be at the Rangers game last weekend - I listened to it on the radio while I was washing the car.

I say that as someone who has been a football fan for 50 years - it's always been part of my life. But the longer this goes on, young people will find other things to do at weekends - and some won't go back to following some crappy football team that continually lets them down - with all the joy that brings!

I'm glad I'm not the owner of a football club - but I'd hope that the Boards of the Scottish PL clubs are in contact at the moment trying to work out a future for the game - a full season of this will be rubbish.

[bingo70]

Who's going to support those new clubs?

The government and banks have to, in the same way it has to support all businesses that are unable to trade because of the restrictions put in place.

This isn’t intended to be a political point, but if the government, whether that’s the UK or Scottish government can’t back businesses during this time then they shouldn’t impose the measures they have. If they can’t afford to do it then they need to allow the clubs and companies outside of football to try and trade as normally as possible, failure to do so will be catastrophic every industry and people self employed across the country.

[Not In The Know]

I think Hibs have done well here considering. They delayed announcing Hibs tv pay per view to add value to all fans who bought season tickets, ( I’ve not got one) but without the season ticket cash we’d be struggling to operate so well done all who chipped in!

The only significant revenue stream open to the club now is streaming matches and selling them to non season ticket holders and away fans.

Hibs can’t devalue the season ticket so should sell pay-per view at match ticket prices.

im willing to pay that if it helps us this year.

[G15 Hibs]

It's horrible saying this as I could imagine the pain of this happening to Hibs but maybe for the betterment of the game going forward it wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe some clubs could merge etc. 42 senior clubs in Scotland is a lot.

I'm surprised to see the idea of clubs merging for the good of the game being suggested on a Hibs forum of all places. Its like 1990 never happened.

What happens if the four Angus clubs (as that's the example most often given) were to merge and play their games at, say, Gayfield? Would Montrose, Forfar and Brechin fans all travel every second Saturday to watch Angus United? Its not their team, so why should they? Would even Arbroath fans bother? Just because these teams have fewer supporters than Hibs doesn't mean that those supporters don't feel just as strongly about their club as we do about ours. When Third Lanark went out of business most of their fans drifted out of going to football rather than go and support someone else that wasn't their team. So you'd end up with a Frankenstein club that no-one's all that bothered about, playing in front of a few fans, with hundreds of paying customers lost to the game.

Some might say that's better than going out of business completely. However I know that if Hibs, Hearts and Edinburgh City were to merge into an Edinburgh United I wouldn't feel any attachment to the new team. It would feel to me that Hibs were gone and would have been as well going out of business.

The 42 senior clubs thing is a different matter and would be better solved through league reconstruction, especially now with a pyramid of sorts coming in (or should have, in a non-Covid world) than getting rid of clubs.

[Keith_M]

I'd be stunned if every club in Scotland survives this.


Goodbye Airdrie!

:bye:

[Sir David Gray]

The government and banks have to, in the same way it has to support all businesses that are unable to trade because of the restrictions put in place.

This isn’t intended to be a political point, but if the government, whether that’s the UK or Scottish government can’t back businesses during this time then they shouldn’t impose the measures they have. If they can’t afford to do it then they need to allow the clubs and companies outside of football to try and trade as normally as possible, failure to do so will be catastrophic every industry and people self employed across the country.

Sorry I meant support as in who's going to turn up at 3pm on a Saturday and watch a team that's the result of a merger between East Fife and Cowdenbeath (for example)?

The poster I quoted suggested it may be an opportunity for Scotland to reduce its number of professional clubs but although the crowds following clubs like East Fife and Cowdenbeath are very low in number, to those people who do follow clubs like that, it means everything to them and the majority of them wouldn't be interested in following a new club that's the product of a merger with a rival club.

It's fine for us as fans of one of the biggest clubs in Scotland to suggest that but I wouldn't support such a move.

From a financial support point of view, I agree with you by the way.

[bigwheel]

Sorry I meant support as in who's going to turn up at 3pm on a Saturday and watch a team that's the result of a merger between East Fife and Cowdenbeath (for example)?

The poster I quoted suggested it may be an opportunity for Scotland to reduce its number of professional clubs but although the crowds following clubs like East Fife and Cowdenbeath are very low in number, to those people who do follow clubs like that, it means everything to them and the majority of them wouldn't be interested in following a new club that's the product of a merger with a rival club.

It's fine for us as fans of one of the biggest clubs in Scotland to suggest that but I wouldn't support such a move.

From a financial support point of view, I agree with you by the way.

I agree....It’s disrespectful imo to suggest the merging of smaller teams..how would we feel if an old firm fan was saying it about us ?

Clubs need to find their own sustainable level..and that may be accelerated by what’s going on, but these clubs, big or small, are important parts of their community for generations. The last thing we want is a scottish MK Dons franchise ..

Let’s hope they find a way to survive , even if it means part time or amateur status ...

[G15 Hibs]

. The last thing we want is a scottish MK Dons franchise ..



Livingston!

[bigwheel]

Livingston!

Good example ...

They’ve done fairly well tbf. I’m sure there are still Meadowbank fans who wouldn’t watch them ...

[lucky]

Football is going have to cut its cloth accordingly. Most clubs will suspend youth football and those who have not made redundancies will start the process. Players wages will also come into focus, Premiership players earn decent money compared to most, this will also be revisited. The salary of £100k a year may no longer available and they’ll lose out completely if lots of clubs go bust. Full time championship clubs may have to consider going part time, Hearts even with the backing of Anderson will be hit hard by this. No one wants a pay cut but the choice of no job with no income versus a pay cut I know which I’d choose. Highly paid non playing staff will also have to take a hit, LD does a great job at Hibs and RG will have decide if we can afford her during this period. We all knew football needs fans but maybe clubs might start listening to fans more in the future.

I’d be surprised if football was high up the priority list for government financial support. But remember this has all been brought about by the refusal of mostly young men refusing to follow the rules around social distancing and wearing a mask. So next time your on a train, bus, shop or pub it’s those in groups of more than two households not wearing face coverings and your neighbours having house parties that have prolonged the absence of fans at games.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I’d be surprised if football was high up the priority list for government financial support. But remember this has all been brought about by the refusal of mostly young men refusing to follow the rules around social distancing and wearing a mask. So next time your on a train, bus, shop or pub it’s those in groups of more than two households not wearing face coverings and your neighbours having house parties that have prolonged the absence of fans at games.

Got to take issue with your statement re young men. Jason Leitch alluded to stats at the Monday briefing from Test and Protect particularly in relation the recent rises that younger women were the predominant drivers of cases rising. Think the stat was 60:40 and mainly indoor transmission.

[Lago]

Unfortunately at the end of this situation, whenever that is, I think the face of Scottish football in particular & probably the lower English leagues will have change dramatically. Neither Westminster or Holyrood care overly much about football so money coming from them is a long shot. Undoubtedly the top two leagues in England will survive and to a lesser degree the top Scottish league, although part time football maybe introduced at a number of clubs. Sad days.

[CockneyRebel]

Got to take issue with your statement re young men. Jason Leitch alluded to stats at the Monday briefing from Test and Protect particularly in relation the recent rises that younger women were the predominant drivers of cases rising. Think the stat was 60:40 and mainly indoor transmission.


I know what I see in Edinburgh, with my own eyes, every single day - young folk (16 to 35 years old - ish) in pairs, or groups, in close contact with each other and giving no social distance between themselves or passers by. They are the predominant age group not wearing masks/face covering in the shops or on buses. In short not giving a Barry White. This is selfish and ignorant and giving the single digit to all of those that take this bast-rd virus seriously. I feel that it is these people that are preventing progress more than the virus itself.

[FilipinoHibs]

Unfortunately at the bottom of this situation, whenever that is, I think the face of Scottish football in particular & probably the lower English leagues will have change dramatically. Neither Westminster or Holyrood care overly much about football so money coming from them is a long shot. Undoubtedly the top two leagues in England will survive and to a lesser degree the top Scottish league, although part time football maybe introduced at a number of clubs. Sad days.

The big problem is that it requires the government to borrow to support the economy during this pandemic. The impact is likely to last for two more years. The government has been borrowing since 2008 to cope with the impact of the financial recession. Although interest rates are low now the debt will have to be rolled over as we are unlikely to grow the economy enough to repay it. When the time comes to roll interest rates will be higher and we will end up burdening future generations with this debt. Also impacting the economy. As people have said football not a priority for the government when they look at what bits of the economy they want to save. Merging two clubs both with no income does not solve anything. I said months ago that the likely scenario is that the lower leagues will be moth balled for a couple of seasons with all the job losses that implies. The future is bleak outside the top league.

[B.H.F.C]

I know what I see in Edinburgh, with my own eyes, every single day - young folk (16 to 35 years old - ish) in pairs, or groups, in close contact with each other and giving no social distance between themselves or passers by. They are the predominant age group not wearing masks/face covering in the shops or on buses. In short not giving a Barry White. This is selfish and ignorant and giving the single digit to all of those that take this bast-rd virus seriously. I feel that it is these people that are preventing progress more than the virus itself.

What you happen to see isn’t necessarily representative of the bigger picture. For instance, I was just in the chemist and three people were in. One (me) was wearing a mask. The other two, easily in their 50s, weren’t. That isn’t necessarily representative of the bigger picture either but I think young people are being made an easy target here. The truth will be somewhere in between IMO.

It’s like all the ‘packed’ pubs. Easy target but I’ve yet to visit one that has actually been packed. Any I’ve been in have respected and enforced the rules far more than places like supermarkets.

[Torto7]

Football is going have to cut its cloth accordingly. Most clubs will suspend youth football and those who have not made redundancies will start the process. Players wages will also come into focus, Premiership players earn decent money compared to most, this will also be revisited. The salary of £100k a year may no longer available and they’ll lose out completely if lots of clubs go bust. Full time championship clubs may have to consider going part time, Hearts even with the backing of Anderson will be hit hard by this. No one wants a pay cut but the choice of no job with no income versus a pay cut I know which I’d choose. Highly paid non playing staff will also have to take a hit, LD does a great job at Hibs and RG will have decide if we can afford her during this period. We all knew football needs fans but maybe clubs might start listening to fans more in the future.

I’d be surprised if football was high up the priority list for government financial support. But remember this has all been brought about by the refusal of mostly young men refusing to follow the rules around social distancing and wearing a mask. So next time your on a train, bus, shop or pub it’s those in groups of more than two households not wearing face coverings and your neighbours having house parties that have prolonged the absence of fans at games.

:agree: Absolute weapons who seem to think they know best.

[Keith_M]

Good example ...

They’ve done fairly well tbf. I’m sure there are still Meadowbank fans who wouldn’t watch them ...


Livi have definitely done well when it comes to being regular members of the top division.

What they have in common with MK Dons is that they've struggled to establish a decent fan base and don't even fill one of their four stands at home games.

[linlithgowhibbie]

Good example ...

They’ve done fairly well tbf. I’m sure there are still Meadowbank fans who wouldn’t watch them ...

Good example? How often have they gone burst?

[bigwheel]

Livi have definitely done well when it comes to being regular members of the top division.

What they have in common with MK Dons is that they've struggled to establish a decent fan base and don't even fill one of their four stands at home games.

Yeah indeed..it’s hard to see any franchise team build a real base of support ..they lack the heritage

[bigwheel]

Good example? How often have they gone burst?

Was talking from a football perspective...

Yeah think they’ve been in admin 2 times (or is it three?). Yes, these “new clubs” in Scotland will always struggle to get a good base of support ...

[SteveHFC]

Scotland fans who had bought tickets for the play off game in a few weeks time are all getting refunds.

[EI255]

This thread should be renamed "What's the chances of football fans returning by the end of the season". That's the reality.

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[Sir David Gray]

This thread should be renamed "What's the chances of football fans returning by the end of the season". That's the reality.

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Very slim.

[04Sauzee]

JRG statement

CORONAVIRUS – JOINT RESPONSE GROUP
23RD SEPTEMBER 2020

The Joint Response Group has held initial discussions on the implications for Scottish football of yesterday’s announcement that the return of supporters has been postponed and, consequently, that no further fan pilot events will be considered until the national outlook for Covid-19 improves significantly.

Significantly, the Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing, Joe FitzPatrick MSP, has confirmed to us that he has written to the UK Minister for Sport and Civil Society seeking urgent discussions regarding a package of financial recovery for sport, accessible to Scotland.

The Minister also expressed the gratitude of the Scottish Government for the efforts that Scottish football has made in playing its part in the national effort to tackle the pandemic.

The JRG would like to put on record our thanks to all clubs who have played their part by adhering to the strictest measures to combat Covid-19, despite the enormous financial toll it has inflicted on them.

The game in Scotland depends on ticket revenue far more than the vast majority of professional leagues across Europe. We usually see over five million supporters per season attending Scottish league matches - with 43% of all revenue generated via gate receipts. The prospect of that vital income being lost for the majority of the season - far less in its entirety - could be catastrophic for many of our clubs.

We are committed to working with government to avert that crisis.

Rod Petrie, Scottish FA President and chair of the JRG, said: “We understand the challenges and decisions facing the Scottish Government and society as a whole and Scottish football will continue to play its part in helping the country overcome the pandemic.

“It is also incumbent on us to safeguard the futures of our football clubs, whilst at the same time respecting and adhering to public health guidelines. We welcome the correspondence from Scottish Government to the UK Minister for Sport and Civil Society and hope for a positive outcome for the national game and Scottish sport as whole.”

Neil Doncaster, CEO of the SPFL, commented: “We are engaging with the Scottish Government to underline the existential threat to many of our clubs, and to the huge community, economic and sporting benefits they deliver, if this grave situation continues without meaningful public financial support. We therefore welcome the intervention of the Scottish Government in seeking urgent discussions with the UK Government about a package of financial recovery for Scottish sport.”

[ronaldo7]

I'm surprised to see the idea of clubs merging for the good of the game being suggested on a Hibs forum of all places. Its like 1990 never happened.

What happens if the four Angus clubs (as that's the example most often given) were to merge and play their games at, say, Gayfield? Would Montrose, Forfar and Brechin fans all travel every second Saturday to watch Angus United? Its not their team, so why should they? Would even Arbroath fans bother? Just because these teams have fewer supporters than Hibs doesn't mean that those supporters don't feel just as strongly about their club as we do about ours. When Third Lanark went out of business most of their fans drifted out of going to football rather than go and support someone else that wasn't their team. So you'd end up with a Frankenstein club that no-one's all that bothered about, playing in front of a few fans, with hundreds of paying customers lost to the game.

Some might say that's better than going out of business completely. However I know that if Hibs, Hearts and Edinburgh City were to merge into an Edinburgh United I wouldn't feel any attachment to the new team. It would feel to me that Hibs were gone and would have been as well going out of business.

The 42 senior clubs thing is a different matter and would be better solved through league reconstruction, especially now with a pyramid of sorts coming in (or should have, in a non-Covid world) than getting rid of clubs.

Spot on mate. Lest we forget the FTB

[Robbo6-2]

Meanwhile in England


English Football League chairman Rick Parry says it is "a little bizarre" people are allowed in pubs but cannot attend football matches.

Crowds were due to return to sports events in limited numbers next month, but Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Tuesday that this*will not go ahead.

The decision came after seven EFL clubs piloted small crowds last Saturday.

"We believe we've created models of a really safe environment where people could be entertained safely," he said.

Speaking to BBC Sport, Parry added: "It just seems a little bizarre that you can still go into pubs and clubs and circulate, albeit you have to come out at 10 o'clock.

"It is a tad ironic and disappointing as we had seven extremely successful pilots at the weekend."

[04Sauzee]

Leeann Dempster "will lead a Premiership summit" in which Scottish football attempts to plot its way out of the COVID-19 crisis.

According to the Scottish Sun a meeting will take place next week involving top flight clubs. On the agenda will the financial problems a short to medium term future with no fans in grounds could cause. Hibs chief Dempster will "spearhead" the meeting.


It is reported that fans could remain locked out of grounds across Scotland until the new year at the earliest. Test events have also been shelved until further notice.

The SFA and SPFL Scottish Football Joint Response Group is calling on a financial package to be provided in order to help the game get through the crisis.


They held initial discussions on the implications for Scottish football of yesterday’s announcement that the return of supporters has been postponed and, consequently, that no further fan pilot events will be considered until the national outlook for COVID-19 improves significantly.

Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing, Joe FitzPatrick MSP, has written to the UK Minister for Sport and Civil Society seeking urgent discussions regarding a package of financial recovery for sport, accessible to Scotland.

[CapitalGreen]

Leeann Dempster "will lead a Premiership summit" in which Scottish football attempts to plot its way out of the COVID-19 crisis.

According to the Scottish Sun a meeting will take place next week involving top flight clubs. On the agenda will the financial problems a short to medium term future with no fans in grounds could cause. Hibs chief Dempster will "spearhead" the meeting.


It is reported that fans could remain locked out of grounds across Scotland until the new year at the earliest. Test events have also been shelved until further notice.

The SFA and SPFL Scottish Football Joint Response Group is calling on a financial package to be provided in order to help the game get through the crisis.


They held initial discussions on the implications for Scottish football of yesterday’s announcement that the return of supporters has been postponed and, consequently, that no further fan pilot events will be considered until the national outlook for COVID-19 improves significantly.

Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing, Joe FitzPatrick MSP, has written to the UK Minister for Sport and Civil Society seeking urgent discussions regarding a package of financial recovery for sport, accessible to Scotland.

It’s great to have a Chief Exec who collaborates with the sports governing bodies for the greater good of the whole game rather than one who constantly fights against them in the name of self interest.

[kaimendhibs]

It's scary stuff. Lives matter more than football but doesn't mean I don't miss being at games[emoji22]

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[bingo70]

It's scary stuff. Lives matter more than football but doesn't mean I don't miss being at games[emoji22]

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Of course lives matter more than football but we really need to start living again and a big part of that is getting back to what we did before and not hiding away forever.

I’m not one of these people that refuse to wear a mask or think it’s all a conspiracy but we can’t go on like this, from a mental health point of view, to people’s livelihoods and to the national economy, we need to learn to live with this virus and mitigate the risks as much as possible, without hiding indoors all the time.

Get football stadiums open (amongst other things) but with restrictions, hand sanitiser stations, compulsory mask wearing, no away fans and a better spread of home fans across the whole ground, don’t use turnstiles and have a steward with a scanner scanning tickets going in either the normal exit or any other possible access point.

What’s the longer term plan here? Stay indoors until it passes? What if there’s never a vaccine found? I was all for the lockdown as it gave us time to organise things but it’s not practical for it to continue, even like this IMO.

[Phil MaGlass]

Of course lives matter more than football but we really need to start living again and a big part of that is getting back to what we did before and not hiding away forever.

I’m not one of these people that refuse to wear a mask or think it’s all a conspiracy but we can’t go on like this, from a mental health point of view, to people’s livelihoods and to the national economy, we need to learn to live with this virus and mitigate the risks as much as possible, without hiding indoors all the time.

Get football stadiums open (amongst other things) but with restrictions, hand sanitiser stations, compulsory mask wearing, no away fans and a better spread of home fans across the whole ground, don’t use turnstiles and have a steward with a scanner scanning tickets going in either the normal exit or any other possible access point.

What’s the longer term plan here? Stay indoors until it passes? What if there’s never a vaccine found? I was all for the lockdown as it gave us time to organise things but it’s not practical for it to continue, even like this IMO.

They opened football stadiums in Holland for small amount of fans, and social distancing and rules were not properly followed or not followed at all, the prime minister was livid, he will probably stop fans going to games altogether.
The Dutch drive me f,n nuts, seem to think rules are not for them anywhere or any time, they have a massive problem with the virus spreading and they dont wear masks in shops etc,, they hold large parties, at work they dont distance themselves, its mental.
I agree, the way we are going just now is not sustainable, we need to open things up, but, I think folk not following hygiene and wearing face masks in public should be hammered, clubs and bars not following social distancing rules should be closed and publicans etc,, threatened with jail.

[James Stephen]

I have seen it suggested elsewhere, that IF the government (Scottish or UK) does step-in, they should effectively nationalise them (or a big chunk of them) and then either sell back to local authorities and/or to fans.

I think its an interesting idea, a chance for the government to radically reshape the ownership of football. And it avoid the thorny issue of government using tax payers money to fund badly run, or even worse dodgy football clubs and their millionaire owners, which would be very unpalatable. Why for example should Ron Gordon or Anne Budge receive public money for them to continue to own an asset that they can sell for millions later on?

Unfortunately, I don't know how practical this is, and also I don't know that our current government would care about helping out already very rich people.

[ancient hibee]

This seems a little confusing.Is it being suggested that governments use tax payers money to nationalise clubs and then continue to pour money into them to run them? Or even worse somehow get local authorities to run them when they can’t even afford to repair potholes?Cheaper to give them a bale out.

[kaimendhibs]

Of course lives matter more than football but we really need to start living again and a big part of that is getting back to what we did before and not hiding away forever.

I’m not one of these people that refuse to wear a mask or think it’s all a conspiracy but we can’t go on like this, from a mental health point of view, to people’s livelihoods and to the national economy, we need to learn to live with this virus and mitigate the risks as much as possible, without hiding indoors all the time.

Get football stadiums open (amongst other things) but with restrictions, hand sanitiser stations, compulsory mask wearing, no away fans and a better spread of home fans across the whole ground, don’t use turnstiles and have a steward with a scanner scanning tickets going in either the normal exit or any other possible access point.

What’s the longer term plan here? Stay indoors until it passes? What if there’s never a vaccine found? I was all for the lockdown as it gave us time to organise things but it’s not practical for it to continue, even like this IMO.Mate, I'm not arguing with you. The thing is tho that once things opened up the virus started spreading again and numbers are going through the roof.
I wish I had the answers and no one misses going to games more than me.

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[Brightside]

I can't imagine any reason why the government would ever nationalise a football team

[James Stephen]

This seems a little confusing.Is it being suggested that governments use tax payers money to nationalise clubs and then continue to pour money into them to run them? Or even worse somehow get local authorities to run them when they can’t even afford to repair potholes?Cheaper to give them a bale out.

Its not my plan, so i dont know any details or practicalties.

But i assume the point is bail outs are giving money to owners and govt gets nothing back.

Taking a stake means there is an asset there, so its not just giving money away, and it would discourage owners from seeking govt help until the last possible moment.

Also, i would assume any rescue plan would have to include cuts to bring the cost base in line with the new income.

These are just my guesses.

For what its worth, i think there are far more important things for govts to do with their money than prop up a terribly run and very profligate sport. But at least with that suggestion the govt could get its money back through future sale, and also impose some overdue reform.

[nonshinyfinish]

I can't imagine any reason why the government would ever nationalise a football team

Indeed – we've already got a national football team and just watching one is a miserable enough experience.

[lord bunberry]

Of course lives matter more than football but we really need to start living again and a big part of that is getting back to what we did before and not hiding away forever.

I’m not one of these people that refuse to wear a mask or think it’s all a conspiracy but we can’t go on like this, from a mental health point of view, to people’s livelihoods and to the national economy, we need to learn to live with this virus and mitigate the risks as much as possible, without hiding indoors all the time.

Get football stadiums open (amongst other things) but with restrictions, hand sanitiser stations, compulsory mask wearing, no away fans and a better spread of home fans across the whole ground, don’t use turnstiles and have a steward with a scanner scanning tickets going in either the normal exit or any other possible access point.

What’s the longer term plan here? Stay indoors until it passes? What if there’s never a vaccine found? I was all for the lockdown as it gave us time to organise things but it’s not practical for it to continue, even like this IMO.
:top marksWe can’t continue like this, we need a proper plan to mitigate the risk, but allow people to return to some kind of normality.

[lord bunberry]

Mate, I'm not arguing with you. The thing is tho that once things opened up the virus started spreading again and numbers are going through the roof.
I wish I had the answers and no one misses going to games more than me.

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The numbers have rocketed up since the students came back. Bringing a load of youngsters into student halls was a huge mistake imo, they should’ve made all learning online for now.

[Wakeyhibee]

If fans not coming back means clubs not surviving, maybe the government can make a fund available to mothball those clubs and upkeep the venues.

Wont help jobs I know, but there will be something to come back to whenever that time is. Clubs wont go bust through upkeep costs with little or no income and developers move in.

I was thinking of the lower and non league divisions here. Premiership is a tough call for the likes of Hamilton etc...

[kaimendhibs]

The numbers have rocketed up since the students came back. Bringing a load of youngsters into student halls was a huge mistake imo, they should’ve made all learning online for now.My daughter has just started University at Stirling. I'm worried for her.

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[hibbyfraelibby]

If fans not coming back means clubs not surviving, maybe the government can make a fund available to mothball those clubs and upkeep the venues.

Wont help jobs I know, but there will be something to come back to whenever that time is. Clubs wont go bust through upkeep costs with little or no income and developers move in.

I was thinking of the lower and non league divisions here. Premiership is a tough call for the likes of Hamilton etc...

The government have just extended the business support loan scheme from 6 years to 10 years repayment at fixed rate. I suspect that is the method football will use to get through the cash flow crisis some may face.

[lord bunberry]

My daughter has just started University at Stirling. I'm worried for her.

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I think at that age she’ll be fine.

[The dalmeny]

Of course lives matter more than football but we really need to start living again and a big part of that is getting back to what we did before and not hiding away forever.

I’m not one of these people that refuse to wear a mask or think it’s all a conspiracy but we can’t go on like this, from a mental health point of view, to people’s livelihoods and to the national economy, we need to learn to live with this virus and mitigate the risks as much as possible, without hiding indoors all the time.

Get football stadiums open (amongst other things) but with restrictions, hand sanitiser stations, compulsory mask wearing, no away fans and a better spread of home fans across the whole ground, don’t use turnstiles and have a steward with a scanner scanning tickets going in either the normal exit or any other possible access point.

What’s the longer term plan here? Stay indoors until it passes? What if there’s never a vaccine found? I was all for the lockdown as it gave us time to organise things but it’s not practical for it to continue, even like this IMO.

with you on this one, I can see us getting to Easter 2021 and being little further forward than Easter 2020. The one guarantee in life is you die, it’s all about when.

im not bothered about visiting folks houses but I am bothered about not being able to do some of the stuff I enjoy. A bit of thought and common sense (dangerous I know) there’s lots of things we could be doing.

[B.H.F.C]

Plenty fans at the Super Cup in Budapest tonight. In a country that had 951 cases yesterday. Population a bit under 10m.

[SteveHFC]

Plenty fans at the Super Cup in Budapest tonight. In a country that had 951 cases yesterday. Population a bit under 10m.

Says it all how far we are behind other European countries.

[B.H.F.C]

Says it all how far we are behind other European countries.

Our ‘solution’ seems to be to hide and hope it’s disappeared when we come back out. When we realise it hasn’t, repeat. And so on.

[04Sauzee]

Raman Bhardwaj from STV tweets

Would not be surprised if a club/clubs will raise the question tomo if the game should be suspended if no bailout/fans

[B.H.F.C]

Raman Bhardwaj from STV tweets

Would not be surprised if a club/clubs will raise the question tomo if the game should be suspended if no bailout/fans

Why would they do that? They‘d still need to pay everyone but would be kissing goodbye to money from broadcasters and sponsors and would also have fans demanding refunds. Football isn’t viable, long term, without fans but it’s even less viable without games!

[04Sauzee]

Why would they do that? They‘d still need to pay everyone but would be kissing goodbye to money from broadcasters and sponsors and would also have fans demanding refunds. Football isn’t viable, long term, without fans but it’s even less viable without games!

Have absolutely no idea tbh someone did ask

'How does that help? Still need to pay everyone surely?'

His response was.

'No. If SFA suspends game, contracts of players/staff etc.. also effectively suspended'

Someone goes on to ask

'So no club teams in Europe? No International games?'

And his response is

'Suspension can be applied from tier two down (ie Championship to lowest level). I’ll add and say I reckon suspension would be v unlikely if no cash injections/fans
'

[Billy Whizz]

Why would they do that? They‘d still need to pay everyone but would be kissing goodbye to money from broadcasters and sponsors and would also have fans demanding refunds. Football isn’t viable, long term, without fans but it’s even less viable without games!

And what do they do with players in contact

[B.H.F.C]

Fans singing at the Super Cup Final. Outrageous behaviour!

[hibsbollah]

JRG statement

CORONAVIRUS – JOINT RESPONSE GROUP
23RD SEPTEMBER 2020

The Joint Response Group has held initial discussions on the implications for Scottish football of yesterday’s announcement that the return of supporters has been postponed and, consequently, that no further fan pilot events will be considered until the national outlook for Covid-19 improves significantly.

Significantly, the Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing, Joe FitzPatrick MSP, has confirmed to us that he has written to the UK Minister for Sport and Civil Society seeking urgent discussions regarding a package of financial recovery for sport, accessible to Scotland.

The Minister also expressed the gratitude of the Scottish Government for the efforts that Scottish football has made in playing its part in the national effort to tackle the pandemic.

The JRG would like to put on record our thanks to all clubs who have played their part by adhering to the strictest measures to combat Covid-19, despite the enormous financial toll it has inflicted on them.

The game in Scotland depends on ticket revenue far more than the vast majority of professional leagues across Europe. We usually see over five million supporters per season attending Scottish league matches - with 43% of all revenue generated via gate receipts. The prospect of that vital income being lost for the majority of the season - far less in its entirety - could be catastrophic for many of our clubs.

We are committed to working with government to avert that crisis.

Rod Petrie, Scottish FA President and chair of the JRG, said: “We understand the challenges and decisions facing the Scottish Government and society as a whole and Scottish football will continue to play its part in helping the country overcome the pandemic.

“It is also incumbent on us to safeguard the futures of our football clubs, whilst at the same time respecting and adhering to public health guidelines. We welcome the correspondence from Scottish Government to the UK Minister for Sport and Civil Society and hope for a positive outcome for the national game and Scottish sport as whole.”

Neil Doncaster, CEO of the SPFL, commented: “We are engaging with the Scottish Government to underline the existential threat to many of our clubs, and to the huge community, economic and sporting benefits they deliver, if this grave situation continues without meaningful public financial support. We therefore welcome the intervention of the Scottish Government in seeking urgent discussions with the UK Government about a package of financial recovery for Scottish sport.”

Still no clarity on grassroots.

[FilipinoHibs]

Looks like no government support:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/24/premier-league-help-smaller-clubs-government-sport-dowden?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[The Tubs]

:top marksWe can’t continue like this, we need a proper plan to mitigate the risk, but allow people to return to some kind of normality.


Brits, along with many other nationalities, just aren’t responsible enough.

[neil7908]

Brits, along with many other nationalities, just aren’t responsible enough.

It's just because we love freedom too much. 😂

[Clarence]

Plenty fans at the Super Cup in Budapest tonight. In a country that had 951 cases yesterday. Population a bit under 10m.

Almost seems too good to be true🤔. Think Viktor Orban might have something to do with those figures being so low.

[hibbysam]

Looks like no government support:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/24/premier-league-help-smaller-clubs-government-sport-dowden?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Again, it’s not the Premier league that is refusing numbers into grounds, the Government have stopped this huge revenue stream for clubs therefore need to be helping out. Clubs aren’t struggling due to their own decisions, they are struggling due to a pandemic and the decisions the Government have made around that.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/sep/24/never-waste-a-crisis-covid-19-trauma-can-force-sport-to-change-for-good

Love this article. Fund the grassroots.

[B.H.F.C]

Almost seems too good to be true🤔. Think Viktor Orban might have something to do with those figures being so low.

They’re not low at the moment, that was a single day figure this week and fairly comparative to Scotland, roughly double but with roughly double the population. My point was more that other countries seem to be content to start getting on with getting people back in to stadiums when we want to lock everyone away again.

[Tyler Durden]

Its not my plan, so i dont know any details or practicalties.

But i assume the point is bail outs are giving money to owners and govt gets nothing back.

Taking a stake means there is an asset there, so its not just giving money away, and it would discourage owners from seeking govt help until the last possible moment.

Also, i would assume any rescue plan would have to include cuts to bring the cost base in line with the new income.

These are just my guesses.

For what its worth, i think there are far more important things for govts to do with their money than prop up a terribly run and very profligate sport. But at least with that suggestion the govt could get its money back through future sale, and also impose some overdue reform.

I don’t see this happening, and it would be a terrible idea IMO. Having a stake in a football club would very rarely lead to any return.

[Tyler Durden]

The numbers have rocketed up since the students came back. Bringing a load of youngsters into student halls was a huge mistake imo, they should’ve made all learning online for now.

In your prior post to this you agree that people need to get back to some normality.

But here you think students should all learn remotely, which is very far from normal for a university experience. Not a criticism but it just shows there are no easy answers. For me peoples education should come first and football is at the back of the queue. If that means lower divisions all mothball for a year, so be it

[Phil MaGlass]

The numbers have rocketed up since the students came back. Bringing a load of youngsters into student halls was a huge mistake imo, they should’ve made all learning online for now.

This has me stumped aswell, why are they not doing their lessons online?

[04Sauzee]

This has me stumped aswell, why are they not doing their lessons online?

My daughter starts 1st year uni next week and is doing all her learning on line, except for 1hr per week that she's expected to attend a short lecture.

[FilipinoHibs]

Again, it’s not the Premier league that is refusing numbers into grounds, the Government have stopped this huge revenue stream for clubs therefore need to be helping out. Clubs aren’t struggling due to their own decisions, they are struggling due to a pandemic and the decisions the Government have made around that.

The problem is the government are piling up debt - £370 billion this year which is about 29% of the existing total. They are cutting back on support to industries that could not survive or could be moth balled. Football falls into the latter category.

[mjhibby]

Our ‘solution’ seems to be to hide and hope it’s disappeared when we come back out. When we realise it hasn’t, repeat. And so on.

There seems no long term strategy. Most folk knew a second wave was coming yet Johnson was telling folk to get to work yet a month later they’re are told to work from home. The govt here has done a lot better but still no plan in how we will tackle the upcoming economic hardships that are here already or about to happen. Sunaks ridiculous comment that he can’t save all business shows he’s no plan whatsoever. He was still working on an autumn budget till a few days ago. It seems many political heads are well and truly stuck in the sands and no even remotely long term thinking is happening. We knew a second wave was coming but now the daily mail is saying no fans this season. It’s heart breaking watching folk losing their jobs and debts piled up. It doesn’t have to be this way imho.

[James Stephen]

I don’t see this happening, and it would be a terrible idea IMO. Having a stake in a football club would very rarely lead to any return.

Maybe, although share issues back to fans could work - more chance of a return than just giving out money to clubs, which would have zero return.

[jeffers]

There seems no long term strategy. Most folk knew a second wave was coming yet Johnson was telling folk to get to work yet a month later they’re are told to work from home. The govt here has done a lot better but still no plan in how we will tackle the upcoming economic hardships that are here already or about to happen. Sunaks ridiculous comment that he can’t save all business shows he’s no plan whatsoever. He was still working on an autumn budget till a few days ago. It seems many political heads are well and truly stuck in the sands and no even remotely long term thinking is happening. We knew a second wave was coming but now the daily mail is saying no fans this season. It’s heart breaking watching folk losing their jobs and debts piled up. It doesn’t have to be this way imho.

I don’t want to get involved in the political side of this as such (I think Boris is a clown) but they are hindered by the fact a good percentage of our population are a-holes who think only of themselves.

[04Sauzee]

There is now an "increased risk" the new Highland League season will not go ahead, as Scottish football's Joint Response Group ask all clubs if they can play without fans.

https://t.co/GRAKTGgd7n https://t.co/iMkkwO9xTf

[B.H.F.C]

Fans in at Hertha Berlin v Frankfurt. Doesn’t look like that many but at least they’re making a start.

[ancient hibee]

This has me stumped aswell, why are they not doing their lessons online?
It might have something to do with the money made from renting out to the students.I heard one saying that she was paying a lot to the university when most of her classes were online.

[tamig]

Fans in at Hertha Berlin v Frankfurt. Doesn’t look like that many but at least they’re making a start.

We’re not in Germany though and their new cases are running at less than a third of ours. And with a much bigger population. They’re in a better place than us.

[Billy Whizz]

We’re not in Germany though and their new cases are running at less than a third of ours. And with a much bigger population. They’re in a better place than us.

Can someone please tell the powers that be, what needs to be done

[H18 SFR]

It might have something to do with the money made from renting out to the students.I heard one saying that she was paying a lot to the university when most of her classes were online.

£7000 for a year at Murano the BBC said.

[tamig]

Can someone please tell the powers that be, what needs to be done

Italy was the early European epicentre. They’ve recovered fantastically. You’d think it would be obvious that our politicians would be speaking to theirs. I have no idea if thats happening or not but you’d hope they would be.

[B.H.F.C]

We’re not in Germany though and their new cases are running at less than a third of ours. And with a much bigger population. They’re in a better place than us.

What about Hungary last night? Or the fans at games in France?

[Chorley Hibee]

What about Hungary last night? Or the fans at games in France?

Orban and Hungary are in complete denial about the situation, and I speak as someone who was in Budapest last month.

I wouldn't be paying attention to their 'official' figures either.

[Radium]

Italy was the early European epicentre. They’ve recovered fantastically. You’d think it would be obvious that our politicians would be speaking to theirs. I have no idea if thats happening or not but you’d hope they would be.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/totally-awakened-how-tragedy-has-left-italians-alert-to-deadly-virus

Suggestion by the Italian doctor seems to be a far more intrusive test and trace program based on a wider use of testing.

The article also seems to suggest that the Italian public have taken safety precautions to heart


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[tamig]

What about Hungary last night? Or the fans at games in France?

No idea why they’re allowing it with their current numbers. Its bizarre. The question is just because some countries are letting crowds back when their numbers are going through the roof - Hungary’s highest first wave daily change was just over 200 cases and its now just under a thousand - would you be happy if we followed suit? I don’t think now’s the time for that. Record numbers appearing every day. And I do appreciate the higher numbers seen now can at least partly be put down to increased testing.

[tamig]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/totally-awakened-how-tragedy-has-left-italians-alert-to-deadly-virus

Suggestion by the Italian doctor seems to be a far more intrusive test and trace program based on a wider use of testing.

The article also seems to suggest that the Italian public have taken safety precautions to heart


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Johnson seems scared to impose anything that might come close to clamping down on our Great British freedoms.

[B.H.F.C]

No idea why they’re allowing it with their current numbers. Its bizarre. The question is just because some countries are letting crowds back when their numbers are going through the roof - Hungary’s highest first wave daily change was just over 200 cases and its now just under a thousand - would you be happy if we followed suit? I don’t think now’s the time for that. Record numbers appearing every day. And I do appreciate the higher numbers seen now can at least partly be put down to increased testing.

I’d be happy if we started getting people back in to grounds safely. I think it is substantially less likely to drive infection than some of the other things that are being allowed.

Unfortunately, it’s pretty clear that government in this country don’t have any desire to get fans back in to stadiums (not just football fans).

[K-Zazu]

Very healthy crowd at the reims PSG game

[Saturday Boy]

Very healthy crowd at the reims PSG game

Give it a week or two and maybe they won’t be so healthy.

[heid the baw]

I’d be happy if we started getting people back in to grounds safely. I think it is substantially less likely to drive infection than some of the other things that are being allowed.

Unfortunately, it’s pretty clear that government in this country don’t have any desire to get fans back in to stadiums (not just football fans).

I still feel it is not about the stadiums but more about the travelling and people going to the pubs before and after.
I think the government feel it is easier to maintain the status quo of keeping crowds out rather than taking on the headache of devising a new set of guidance to allow games to go ahead.

[FilipinoHibs]

This has me stumped aswell, why are they not doing their lessons online?

In the Philippines all schools/university all studies are from home using online, teleconference and study packs. Population is 110 million with 5,000 deaths.

[CockneyRebel]

In the Philippines all schools/university all studies are from home using online, teleconference and study packs. Population is 110 million with 5,000 deaths.

Off subject I know but never realised the population was that size. I checked on google in case you had mistyped but they say over 109m. You learn something new every day!

[CockneyRebel]

Give it a week or two and maybe they won’t be so healthy.

:wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

🏆 Our William Hill @ScottishCup semi-final has been scheduled for Saturday 31 October, with a 5pm kick-off at Hampden.

📺 The match will be screened live on BBC Scotland and Premier Sports. https://t.co/19mJSwxn4o

[lord bunberry]

In your prior post to this you agree that people need to get back to some normality.

But here you think students should all learn remotely, which is very far from normal for a university experience. Not a criticism but it just shows there are no easy answers. For me peoples education should come first and football is at the back of the queue. If that means lower divisions all mothball for a year, so be it
I agree it’s not normal for students, but there has to some restrictions. I’m sure they’d be happier living at home living a normal life rather being under house arrest in student halls. There isn’t any easy solution to this, but we seem to be determined to go down the road of closing things down and stopping movement for everyone. I wonder if it’s time to start using a system where people who’ve had the virus don’t have to follow the guidelines.

[matty_f]

You look at Parkhead on Sunday and think that there must be a way to safely house a percentage of the capacity in the stadium to watch the game. I'm always loathe to go for the "if you can do this, then why can't you do that?" arguments as they're generally fairly fundamentally flawed, however if you look at non-essential leisure activities such as going to the cinema then you would have to ask how that is manageable but a vastly reduced capacity at a football stadium isn't.

Away from the general arguments about covid and the restrictions, I see the issues for football being the volume of people who would congregate in one area at the same time to get in (and then out) of the stadium, the enforcement of social distancing within the ground once people are in, and, well, that's about it. Maybe the shouting and that, but if folk are required to wear masks and follow the rules, then that's not an issue either. I suppose making sure people stick to rules could be problematic given that week in/week out we have people that struggle with that concept even without Covid regulations. Maybe that has shaped the thinking on it as well, from the governments point of view.

I don't see how it's ok to allow other hospitality/entertainment industries to open up because of the economic damage caused to them by keeping them closed, but not for football.

[Billy Whizz]

You look at Parkhead on Sunday and think that there must be a way to safely house a percentage of the capacity in the stadium to watch the game. I'm always loathe to go for the "if you can do this, then why can't you do that?" arguments as they're generally fairly fundamentally flawed, however if you look at non-essential leisure activities such as going to the cinema then you would have to ask how that is manageable but a vastly reduced capacity at a football stadium isn't.

Away from the general arguments about covid and the restrictions, I see the issues for football being the volume of people who would congregate in one area at the same time to get in (and then out) of the stadium, the enforcement of social distancing within the ground once people are in, and, well, that's about it. Maybe the shouting and that, but if folk are required to wear masks and follow the rules, then that's not an issue either. I suppose making sure people stick to rules could be problematic given that week in/week out we have people that struggle with that concept even without Covid regulations. Maybe that has shaped the thinking on it as well, from the governments point of view.

I don't see how it's ok to allow other hospitality/entertainment industries to open up because of the economic damage caused to them by keeping them closed, but not for football.

I’m 100% with you on this Matty, really getting fed up with some of the baffling decision’s getting made just now

[Sir David Gray]

You look at Parkhead on Sunday and think that there must be a way to safely house a percentage of the capacity in the stadium to watch the game. I'm always loathe to go for the "if you can do this, then why can't you do that?" arguments as they're generally fairly fundamentally flawed, however if you look at non-essential leisure activities such as going to the cinema then you would have to ask how that is manageable but a vastly reduced capacity at a football stadium isn't.

Away from the general arguments about covid and the restrictions, I see the issues for football being the volume of people who would congregate in one area at the same time to get in (and then out) of the stadium, the enforcement of social distancing within the ground once people are in, and, well, that's about it. Maybe the shouting and that, but if folk are required to wear masks and follow the rules, then that's not an issue either. I suppose making sure people stick to rules could be problematic given that week in/week out we have people that struggle with that concept even without Covid regulations. Maybe that has shaped the thinking on it as well, from the governments point of view.

I don't see how it's ok to allow other hospitality/entertainment industries to open up because of the economic damage caused to them by keeping them closed, but not for football.

:agree: There is absolutely no reason why you couldn't get about 4-5,000 at a stadium like Parkhead. It's outdoors which instantly makes it lower risk, there's plenty of seats available to spread people out across the full stadium. It's utter nonsense that fans cannot safely return to games.

Sadly the government doesn't appear to have the slightest interest in allowing fans back and it looks very much like it will be next season before any games are played before a crowd.

[bingo70]

:agree: There is absolutely no reason why you couldn't get about 4-5,000 at a stadium like Parkhead. It's outdoors which instantly makes it lower risk, there's plenty of seats available to spread people out across the full stadium. It's utter nonsense that fans cannot safely return to games.

Sadly the government doesn't appear to have the slightest interest in allowing fans back and it looks very much like it will be next season before any games are played before a crowd.

I think there’s pressure starting to build on the government and they will loosen their stance soon.

I personally think you could get a hell of a lot more in Parkhead than that amount, you could get about that many per stand in a stadium that size, I don’t dispute that there’s no chance of the government seeing it that way.

From a spectators perspective I can’t say I’m in any rush to get back and sit with the current restrictions in place, think I’d rather just wait a while longer and enjoy going back when I get to go again.

[Sir David Gray]

I think there’s pressure starting to build on the government and they will loosen their stance soon.

I personally think you could get a hell of a lot more in Parkhead than that amount, you could get about that many per stand in a stadium that size, I don’t dispute that there’s no chance of the government seeing it that way.

From a spectators perspective I can’t say I’m in any rush to get back and sit with the current restrictions in place, think I’d rather just wait a while longer and enjoy going back when I get to go again.

I agree with you on the numbers side of things, Parkhead could easily have around 15,000 people inside and for it still to be "Covid secure". The problem with that though is the more people you allow in, the more people you'll have travelling about outside before and after the match.

The reason I used 4-5,000 as the figure is that might be the figure that the government would be looking at as a compromise compared with the 300 that turned up the other week at Aberdeen and Ross County. That tells us nothing, particularly in a stadium the size of Parkhead.

[JimBHibees]

Why can't clubs sell hospitality suitably distanced if pubs and restaurants can especially for smaller clubs where this is a substantial percentage of match day income.

[Sir David Gray]

Why can't clubs sell hospitality suitably distanced if pubs and restaurants can especially for smaller clubs where this is a substantial percentage of match day income.

Falkirk are doing something like this for their League Cup tie at Dunfermline next week.

They're showing the game live on TV at the Falkirk Stadium in the hospitality area and serving a curry before the game and a half time pie along with a cash bar.

I know you were probably thinking about actually watching the game from hospitality but this could also work and it's maybe something for Hibs to consider next month for the derby.

[Gatecrasher]

theres no reasons why most stadiums cant have a 20-25% capacity, even if that means staggered arrival and departure times for the fans attending or whatever to minimise fans gathering and mixing. I get why normal service isnt resumed yet but give football and people a bit of a brake. It should be pretty low risk.

[CMurdoch]

I agree it’s not normal for students, but there has to some restrictions. I’m sure they’d be happier living at home living a normal life rather being under house arrest in student halls. There isn’t any easy solution to this, but we seem to be determined to go down the road of closing things down and stopping movement for everyone. I wonder if it’s time to start using a system where people who’ve had the virus don’t have to follow the guidelines.

It would be great to know which folk have had the virus. That side of the equation has not progressed very far yet.
Presuming the risk is very small of getting Covid again these folk could get on with life, including going to football.
They could even be used strategically to buffer others in public situations.

[lord bunberry]

It would be great to know which folk have had the virus. That side of the equation has not progressed very far yet.
Presuming the risk is very small of getting Covid again these folk could get on with life, including going to football.
They could even be used strategically to buffer others in public situations.
:top marksI’ve been saying the very same thing.

[lord bunberry]

I’m sure I’m right in saying that there’s no testing in the championship, if that’s the case then they’re subject to general Covid guidelines. There’s no way that league can be completed, absolutely no way.

[lyonhibs]

:top marksI’ve been saying the very same thing.

Except there's cases of people catching COVID twice been reported in places if I'm not wrong

[Jamesie]

I’m sure I’m right in saying that there’s no testing in the championship, if that’s the case then they’re subject to general Covid guidelines. There’s no way that league can be completed, absolutely no way.

If that’s correct then does that mean we’ll face a Hearts side in the semi final with no knowledge whatsoever of their covid status?

[bigwheel]

If that’s correct then does that mean we’ll face a Hearts side in the semi final with no knowledge whatsoever of their covid status?

Think Hearts May be testing ..regardless, when they play a top division side they need to test in advance ...

[JimBHibees]

If that’s correct then does that mean we’ll face a Hearts side in the semi final with no knowledge whatsoever of their covid status?

Hearts have been testing hence why Zlamal was able to play for St Mirren at short notice.

[Juniper Greens]

Think Hearts May be testing ..regardless, when they play a top division side they need to test in advance ...

They do run the risk of who ever they play the week before transmitting it to their whole team however

[Pretty Boy]

There's a test being made available that give a result in 15-30 minutes. It's initially being targeted at lower income countries for testing health care workers.

However looking forward that could be part of a solution to getting people into football matches and other venues.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54334336

Are Brora still able to play Hibs next week?

[Steven79]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54334336

Are Brora still able to play Hibs next week?

I can't see why not but if the game is they are unable to play then will likely be awarded the win.

[ancient hibee]

The testing situation is confusing right across the UK. For example it seems that elite sportsmen and women in football,rugby and athletics are being tested all the time.Positive tests are about as low as it’s possible to be.Yet a group running 1500 metres are pouring out droplets on their breath and I doubt that there is anything less socially distanced than a rugby scrum. Perhaps extreme physical fitness keeps the virus at bay even though the athlete is living with partner or children. Perhaps testing them is a waste of time. Meantime care workers are in the middle of the area where 50% of the total deaths took place and don’t get tested regularly and young people who were blamed for going to pubs are headed into flats with up to a dozen occupants.
In the media the chances of fans returning is often lumped in with the players testing regime-there’s absolutely no connection.Nor should a player testing positive be thrown up as a factor in when fans can go back.

[04Sauzee]

Just seen this on twitter by Raman Bharwdwaj

Three Kilmarnock players have tested positive for coronavirus

[Keith_M]

Just seen this on twitter by Raman Bharwdwaj

Three Kilmarnock players have tested positive for coronavirus


Just read that. Apparently the game's still going ahead.

[Heisenberg]

Just seen this on twitter by Raman Bharwdwaj

Three Kilmarnock players have tested positive for coronavirus

One Hamilton player again too.

[The dalmeny]

Just seen this on twitter by Raman Bharwdwaj

Three Kilmarnock players have tested positive for coronavirus

how many have tested negative?

[WhileTheChief..]

Need to add ‘21’ to the thread title tomorrow.

[MartinfaePorty]

Did I just see the News saying a Hibs player has tested positive and is out of Friday's game? Nope, misread the headline - been a long day! It's a Hamilton player as mentioned previously.

[flash]

Watching the Aussie Rules with what looks like a full stadium. Crowds back in some shape or form almost everywhere else.
We really have made a horses erse of this whole situation.

[superfurryhibby]

The testing situation is confusing right across the UK. For example it seems that elite sportsmen and women in football,rugby and athletics are being tested all the time.Positive tests are about as low as it’s possible to be.Yet a group running 1500 metres are pouring out droplets on their breath and I doubt that there is anything less socially distanced than a rugby scrum. Perhaps extreme physical fitness keeps the virus at bay even though the athlete is living with partner or children. Perhaps testing them is a waste of time. Meantime care workers are in the middle of the area where 50% of the total deaths took place and don’t get tested regularly and young people who were blamed for going to pubs are headed into flats with up to a dozen occupants.
In the media the chances of fans returning is often lumped in with the players testing regime-there’s absolutely no connection.Nor should a player testing positive be thrown up as a factor in when fans can go back.

Care workers are tested weekly in nursing homes, the setting where the majority of deaths have occurred.

I think we can forget about watching football live for quite some time.

[Jamesie]

God forbid we are in a position where the 2021/22 season tickets are about to be marketed and the club is still unable to guarantee fans will be able to access all matches but that isn't out of the question and may require some creative marketing.

If full capacity cannot be maintained next term then I wonder if a "half" season ticket spanning the full season might be an option ie a season ticket that allows access to every second match. Obviously there will be fans, situation permitting, who would still pay for a full season ticket come what may, but understandably there may be others who are reluctant / unable to do so.

[Jamesie]

The alternative - and probably more fiscally secure, if not commercially attractive, would be to sell X number of full season tickets and no more, putting it to a ballot.

[ancient hibee]

Care workers are tested weekly in nursing homes, the setting where the majority of deaths have occurred.

I think we can forget about watching football live for quite some time.


I'm afraid you are mistaken in thinking all care home workers are getting tested weekly.There are huge arguments about this at the moment.As far as I can establish the only people being tested regularly whether or not they have symptoms are connected with elite sports.

[superfurryhibby]

I'm afraid you are mistaken in thinking all care home workers are getting tested weekly.There are huge arguments about this at the moment.As far as I can establish the only people being tested regularly whether or not they have symptoms are connected with elite sports.

Believe me they are. I work in the regulation of this industry and I can guarantee you, there's no opting out.

[Phil MaGlass]

Probably next September

[blackpoolhibs]

Believe me they are. I work in the regulation of this industry and I can guarantee you, there's no opting out.

Not in England, my Mrs works in one and has never had a test done there.

[Moulin Yarns]

Not in England, my Mrs works in one and has never had a test done there.

My niece also works in the private care home sector in Yorkshire and is getting tested every week.

[superfurryhibby]

Not in England, my Mrs works in one and has never had a test done there.

We only regulate care in Scotland. I know nothing about the English situation, but that sounds appalling.

[Moulin Yarns]

My niece also works in the private care home sector in Yorkshire and is getting tested every week.

Her mum is a midwife going into people's homes and isn't being tested. Which is scandalous.

[Musselbound]

Except there's cases of people catching COVID twice been reported in places if I'm not wrong

Yes, I think so. This is what NI's Chief scientific advisor Prof Ian Young said the other day: "We don't think people do remain immune, we think the natural antibodies to the virus disappear over months rather than years."

Pretty depressing. He could be wrong but we're certainly nowhere near a point where we can safely assume people only get it once and are then immune.

[ballengeich]

Yes, I think so. This is what NI's Chief scientific advisor Prof Ian Young said the other day: "We don't think people do remain immune, we think the natural antibodies to the virus disappear over months rather than years."

Pretty depressing. He could be wrong but we're certainly nowhere near a point where we can safely assume people only get it once and are then immune.

That might also imply that any protection from a vaccine is also temporary.

[ancient hibee]

That might also imply that any protection from a vaccine is also temporary.

That’s what they’re trying to find out and are testing/developing over 200 different vaccines now.

[hibbysam]

Believe me they are. I work in the regulation of this industry and I can guarantee you, there's no opting out.

You are mistaken if you think every care home is testing every member of staff every week.

[superfurryhibby]

You are mistaken if you think every care home is testing every member of staff every week.

No I’m not.

[hibbysam]

No I’m not.

I can assure you, you are.

[superfurryhibby]

I can assure you, you are.

I would strongly suggest that I know more than you.

I’m not keen on this conversation, but for anyone interested. Every single care home in Scotland is part of national testing roll out. Usually done by a nurse employed as part of the care team. This has been working well since May. No opt outs.

Imagine the reputational damage and potential liability for any business not complying.

If Hibbysam is so sure, get in touch with the regulator.

Of course there’s always a smart arse, but it’s happening.

[marinello59]

You are mistaken if you think every care home is testing every member of staff every week.


No I’m not.


I can assure you, you are.

I know this is a serious topic and you are both taking it seriously but this exchange made me smile for some reason. :greengrin

[superfurryhibby]

I know this is a serious topic and you are both taking it seriously but this exchange made me smile for some reason. :greengrin

At least my cards are on the table. I’m backing up my claim :cb

[04Sauzee]

Joint Response Group informed by Kilmarnock that three further players have tested positive for COVID-19.

Now six players in self-isolation.

[jacomo]

Italy was the early European epicentre. They’ve recovered fantastically. You’d think it would be obvious that our politicians would be speaking to theirs. I have no idea if thats happening or not but you’d hope they would be.


Haven’t you heard? UK is now a sovereign state again and has no need to listen to Johnny Foreigner. It wouldn’t even occur to these clowns to try and learn from what is happening in Italy or Germany.

[hibbysam]

I would strongly suggest that I know more than you.

I’m not keen on this conversation, but for anyone interested. Every single care home in Scotland is part of national testing roll out. Usually done by a nurse employed as part of the care team. This gas been working well since May. No opt outs.

Imagine the reputational damage and potential liability for any business not complying.

If Hibbysam is so sure, get in touch with the regulator.

Of course there’s always a smart arse, but it’s happening.

I don’t need to back anything up, I know for a fact that not every care home worker is getting tested every single week, that’s a matter of fact. I’d suggest you probably don’t know every single care home worker. Regardless of what’s being regulated, I’d suggest the regulations are failing miserably if you think you are correct.

[superfurryhibby]

I don’t need to back anything up, I know for a fact that not every care home worker is getting tested every single week, that’s a matter of fact. I’d suggest you probably don’t know every single care home worker. Regardless of what’s being regulated, I’d suggest the regulations are failing miserably if you think you are correct.

I'll await your PM with the details then. i'll ensure your "intelligence" is passed on.


Just for the benefit of anyone with a relative in a care home. There is a multi agency national inspection programme. The initial focus is on the care homes that performed poorest during the 1st wave of Covid, but it will reach every single care home in Scotland by the end of the year.

The scrutiny level is intensive and the statutory powers attached to the regulator include enforcement and improvement action. Believe me any service that can't evidence it's testing regime would be in serious difficulty.

With that in mind, ask yourself, who would be stupid enough to say to staff don't bother with the weekly testing? Litigation potential, loss of business and potential criminality await them. Imagine you lost a loved one and heard that the provider wasn't testing it's staff?

Staff have been tested weekly from c early May. The death rate in care homes in March/April and May was appalling, accounting for around 50% of all Covids related fatalities. Alongside other measures, like restricting visitor access, barrier based care for the infected and intensive environmental cleaning, the testing programme meant that asymptomatic staff were no longer taking Covid in to their workplaces.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'll await your PM with the details then. i'll ensure your "intelligence" is passed on.


Just for the benefit of anyone with a relative in a care home. There is a multi agency national inspection programme. The initial focus is on the care homes that performed poorest during the 1st wave of Covid, but it will reach every single care home in Scotland by the end of the year.

The scrutiny level is intensive and the statutory powers attached to the regulator include enforcement and improvement action. Believe me any service that can't evidence it's testing regime would be in serious difficulty.

With that in mind, ask yourself, who would be stupid enough to say to staff don't bother with the weekly testing? Litigation potential, loss of business and potential criminality await them. Imagine you lost a loved one and heard that the provider wasn't testing it's staff?

Staff have been tested weekly from c early May. The death rate in care homes in March/April and May was appalling, accounting for around 50% of all Covids related fatalities. Alongside other measures, like restricting visitor access, barrier based care for the infected and intensive environmental cleaning, the testing programme meant that asymptomatic staff were no longer taking Covid in to their workplaces.

When you say "care homes", does that testing regime extend to NHS hospices and the likes?

[superfurryhibby]

When you say "care homes", does that testing regime extend to NHS hospices and the likes?

Care homes only. Services that are registered with the Care Inspectorate. The NHS is regulated by Healthcare Improvement Scotland and I only have anecdotal information. I know a Nurse who has never been tested, despite being a bank worker and going to different NHS provisioned sites.

I would hope that all Hospice staff are tested with the same rigour as the care workers in the community based Care Homes.

[CropleyWasGod]

Care homes only. Services that are registered with the Care Inspectorate. The NHS is regulated by Healthcare Improvement Scotland and I only have anecdotal information. I know a Nurse who has never been tested, despite being a bank worker and going to different NHS provisioned sites.

I would hope that all Hospice staff are tested with the same rigour as the care workers in the community based Care Homes.

Thanks.

So, as far as you know (and I appreciate you're in a different sector), is there any requirement for staff at NHS facilities to be regularly tested? (ie similar to the private sector)

[superfurryhibby]

Thanks.

So, as far as you know (and I appreciate you're in a different sector), is there any requirement for staff at NHS facilities to be regularly tested? (ie similar to the private sector)

I'm not sure CWG, given the risk and the sacrifices made elsewhere, it would be a damned disgrace if they aren't. I only have anecdotal info and it isn't as reassuring as it should be. A FOI request would be one way to find out.

I would add that any views I've given here are solely my own. I'm not speaking on behalf of any of any organisation. Everything I've said about private, local authority and third sector run care homes is in the public domain.

[ancient hibee]

Isn't one of the problems that care home workers who are poorly paid are avoiding testing because they don't want to lose work? Anecdotal I know but in some ways understandable.

[hibbysam]

I'll await your PM with the details then. i'll ensure your "intelligence" is passed on.


Just for the benefit of anyone with a relative in a care home. There is a multi agency national inspection programme. The initial focus is on the care homes that performed poorest during the 1st wave of Covid, but it will reach every single care home in Scotland by the end of the year.

The scrutiny level is intensive and the statutory powers attached to the regulator include enforcement and improvement action. Believe me any service that can't evidence it's testing regime would be in serious difficulty.

With that in mind, ask yourself, who would be stupid enough to say to staff don't bother with the weekly testing? Litigation potential, loss of business and potential criminality await them. Imagine you lost a loved one and heard that the provider wasn't testing it's staff?

Staff have been tested weekly from c early May. The death rate in care homes in March/April and May was appalling, accounting for around 50% of all Covids related fatalities. Alongside other measures, like restricting visitor access, barrier based care for the infected and intensive environmental cleaning, the testing programme meant that asymptomatic staff were no longer taking Covid in to their workplaces.

You’ll be waiting a while for a PM, but can say with 100% certainty that not every single care worker has been and is being tested on a weekly basis in Scotland, it’s really that simple. Whether they should be or not is besides the point, they aren’t.

[superfurryhibby]

You’ll be waiting a while for a PM, but can say with 100% certainty that not every single care worker has been and is being tested on a weekly basis in Scotland, it’s really that simple. Whether they should be or not is besides the point, they aren’t.

Why not, that isn't very public spirited of you.

[Betty Boop]

You’ll be waiting a while for a PM, but can say with 100% certainty that not every single care worker has been and is being tested on a weekly basis in Scotland, it’s really that simple. Whether they should be or not is besides the point, they aren’t.
Neither are the home care workers .

[superfurryhibby]

Isn't one of the problems that care home workers who are poorly paid are avoiding testing because they don't want to lose work? Anecdotal I know but in some ways understandable.

No, see detailed explanations above.

Care at Home services, a different story. No routine testing taking place there. They should be but testing resources aren't stretching to this (which they should be).

[jacomo]

We only regulate care in Scotland. I know nothing about the English situation, but that sounds appalling.


In general it seems Scotland is taking Covid rules much more seriously than England is, which supports the argument that fans could be allowed back in Scottish stadia in a limited way.

[CapitalGreen]

Why not, that isn't very public spirited of you.

In your professional opinion are PMs on a football message board the correct channel for whistleblowing on services registered with the care inspectorate?

[superfurryhibby]

In your professional opinion are PMs on a football message board the correct channel for whistleblowing on services registered with the care inspectorate?


I'm happy to see such important information passed on via any channel whatsoever. However, I did suggest initially that (you mustn't have seen that?) Hibbysam gets in touch with the regulator initially, as for a PM, I didn't really expect that to happen, it was semi facetious.

For anyone who wants to whistleblow on dangerous care related practice this is the easiest way to do it.

https://www.careinspectorate.com/index.php/complaints

As an aside, I haven't offered any professional opinion, merely highlighted information that is widely available and in the public domain. Does that satisfy you as a concerned member of the public?

[hibbysam]

I'm happy to see such important information passed on via any channel whatsoever. However, I did suggest initially that (you mustn't have seen that?) Hibbysam gets in touch with the regulator initially, as for a PM, I didn't really expect that to happen, it was semi facetious.

For anyone who wants to whistleblow on dangerous care related practice this is the easiest way to do it.

https://www.careinspectorate.com/index.php/complaints

As an aside, I haven't offered any professional opinion, merely highlighted information that is widely available and in the public domain. Does that satisfy you as a concerned member of the public?

Would you mind showing me where I can find info regarding this regulation? Tried having a look but nothing. Can only see where the Government advised back in May regarding testing, but nothing requiring regular weekly testing.

Edit: I see some notes now, however they are fairly unclear. If a staff member happens to be off then they don’t need to be tested in that weeks testing, and it also clearly states that a member of staff can opt out/decline a test if they want to, unless I’ve read it incorrectly.

‘Recording of number of staff eligible for testing – Only staff who are at work in the care home should be included and those staff who are not at work for any reason should be excluded from this number e.g. annual leave, sick leave, days off, self-isolating or working elsewhere. Staff who have previously tested positive and have returned for work are also excluded from this number as they are currently not included in the staff testing programme

Recording of number of staff who decline testing – Only staff who are eligible for testing as defined above that have declined testing should be included. Staff who are at not work or staff who have previously tested positive should not be included in this number.’

[whiskyhibby]

Hopefully with the SFA and SPFL calling out Scottish Government stance on this as political, rather than science based the we get some movement soon

[whiskyhibby]

Ps to tie in with the original question, Sept beer has passed but hopefully soon

[18Craig75]

Hopefully with the SFA and SPFL calling out Scottish Government stance on this as political, rather than science based the we get some movement soon

Seemed a ridiculous statement to make if you ask me. Not sure if it was a bad attempt to put pressure on the government, seemed counter productive given there’s more meetings planned on Monday between the two parties.

Douglas Ross had a meeting with football authorities last week (probably to massage his own ego more than anything else) so not all surprising MM and ND came out with such a poorly thought out and inflammatory press release so soon after.

[Aldo]

Hopefully with the SFA and SPFL calling out Scottish Government stance on this as political, rather than science based the we get some movement soon

They can call them out all they want however there has been a significant rise in cases and sadly a number of deaths. This is what the Government will base any decision on. The R number is up and currently sits between 1.3 & 1.6 (in UK).

I would be very surprised to see any fans at grounds anytime soon and at the earliest the turn of year. (If we are very lucky)


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[Ronniekirk]

They can call them out all they want however there has been a significant rise in cases and sadly a number of deaths. This is what the Government will base any decision on. The R number is up and currently sits between 1.3 & 1.6 (in UK).

I would be very surprised to see any fans at grounds anytime soon and at the earliest the turn of year. (If we are very lucky)


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The R number is a bit of a red herring when you get clusters and the whole student thing has muddied things
The flu and colds will cause panic and havoc
Strange times we are now living in
Interestingly you don’t hear about Italy now yet in Europe that’s where it all kicked off and yet it’s doing better than other European Countries now
Sweden doing better than us Haven’t looked to see if fans at games in those countries though
But we seem to be spiralling into an inevitable circuit break at some point in October
How we respond when we come out of that will determine what kind of Xmass we are allowed
Football is on back burner in all this


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[Phil MaGlass]

Couldnae make it up, calling out the Scottish Government, dont have the balls to call out huns or sellik for their bigotry, but have the audacity tae call out the SG, more and more cases and deaths being recorded every day, no real.
Its no bloody political.

[green day]

The phrase "its a political decision" is a bit of a dafty.

All decisions made in this crisis are political - the politicians take submissions from their expert advisers in health, economy, education etc etc....................then they make the ultimate decision (in the knowledge that it may have negative consequences for some).

On education for example, there were people on phone ins screaming out for schools to go back and almost as soon as they go back there are (other) people on phone in programmes screaming that the government made the wrong choice.

They cant really win and I wouldnt have their job right now for all the tea in china.

[Aldo]

The R number is a bit of a red herring when you get clusters and the whole student thing has muddied things
The flu and colds will cause panic and havoc
Strange times we are now living in
Interestingly you don’t hear about Italy now yet in Europe that’s where it all kicked off and yet it’s doing better than other European Countries now
Sweden doing better than us Haven’t looked to see if fans at games in those countries though
But we seem to be spiralling into an inevitable circuit break at some point in October
How we respond when we come out of that will determine what kind of Xmass we are allowed
Football is on back burner in all this


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Not sure it’s a red herring Ronnie but 13,000 cases in a day speaks for itself.

Universities, work places and other crowded places are the same and for me there is nothing muddled about it Ronnie.

It spreads in these type of environments and very very quickly and that’s fact!

The circuit breaker (lockdown) will prove nothing because the R number is so high. To halt the rise in cases and sadly more deaths, would require a lockdown for months. This is from the medical scorers who were on the radio midweek!

As for Xmas.... I would expect it to be a very strange time for many!


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[hibbyfraelibby]

Hopefully with the SFA and SPFL calling out Scottish Government stance on this as political, rather than science based the we get some movement soon

Actually more likely to result in the opposite.

Doncaster is a solucitor not a scientist and when he becones a qualified viroligist I'll lusten to his opinion.

The decisions being taken are made based on the science, risk assessment and balance of impact. Football or Schools? Thats the balance of decisions based on the science that politicians have to make. The uni outbreaks show you what happens.

[ancient hibee]

I would guess that the longer it takes to admit fans the more pleased will be the clubs that have sold plenty of season tickets.
Looks like shortage of ‘flu vaccines is the next big problem.

[whiskyhibby]

Actually more likely to result in the opposite.

Doncaster is a solucitor not a scientist and when he becones a qualified viroligist I'll lusten to his opinion.

The decisions being taken are made based on the science, risk assessment and balance of impact. Football or Schools? Thats the balance of decisions based on the science that politicians have to make. The uni outbreaks show you what happens.


And what did happen........large numbers of students got CV-19 with very little health impact, the more pressing issue is the economy being in severe distress, shield the vulnerable and let the rest of us get back to some sort of normality before large numbers of Businesses and therefore households are in the Financial ****ter

[hibbyfraelibby]

And what did happen........large numbers of students got CV-19 with very little health impact, the more pressing issue is the economy being in severe distress, shield the vulnerable and let the rest of us get back to some sort of normality before large numbers of Businesses and therefore households are in the Financial ****ter

Very little health impact? I Must have missed the sudden drop in cases , lack of hospiral admissions and dearth of deaths from the virus.

Its not just the people who have it, its the ones they pass it on to you need to consider. The exodus from hall back to mummy and daddy is already bearing bad fruit.The correlation between student infect and transmission across older more vulnerable age groups is already becoming apparent.

[whiskyhibby]

Very little health impact? I Must have missed the sudden drop in cases , lack of hospiral admissions and dearth of deaths from the virus.

Its not just the people who have it, its the ones they pass it on to you need to consider. The exodus from hall back to mummy and daddy is already bearing bad fruit.The correlation between student infect and transmission across older more vulnerable age groups is already becoming apparent.


Sorry I don’t see anywhere in the news the grim picture that you are painting, cases up naturally, was it 4 deaths yesterday?, how many have died as a result of not presenting to GP or hospital or have worsened treatable disease because of this......

The bigger picture needs to be looked at, we have politicians focussed on keeping the R rate down , Sweden seems to have done fine without having this almost single minded focus

[Keith_M]

Very little health impact? I Must have missed the sudden drop in cases , lack of hospiral admissions and dearth of deaths from the virus.
...


I'm not meaning to downplay the effect on those that have suffered from Covid recently, but surely the numbers going into hospitals and the number of deaths are way down on what they were in April/May?

:dunno:

[hibbyfraelibby]

Sorry I don’t see anywhere in the news the grim picture that you are painting, cases up naturally, was it 4 deaths yesterday?, how many have died as a result of not presenting to GP or hospital or have worsened treatable disease because of this......

The bigger picture needs to be looked at, we have politicians focussed on keeping the R rate down , Sweden seems to have done fine without having this almost single minded focus
You obviously don't keep up

Daily confirmed new infections running at 700+
Weekly death rolling average now above 30
Number of admissions to ICU up 117

Estimate untested case running at 14k plus

Infection rate running at 11.6% of those tested

Nothing to see here, move along and mutter Sweden...

[whiskyhibby]

You obviously don't keep up

Daily confirmed new infections running at 700+
Weekly death rolling average now above 30
Number of admissions to ICI up 117

Estimate untested case running at 14k plus

Infection rate running at 11.6% of those tested

Nothing to see here, move along and mutter Sweden...

I do keep up, 30 weekly deaths is small compared to seasonal flu for example, the effects other than CV-19 deaths far outweigh the simplistic view Sturgeon has taken

[Keith_M]

I'm not meaning to downplay the effect on those that have suffered from Covid recently, but surely the numbers going into hospitals and the number of deaths are way down on what they were in April/May?

:dunno:


I've had a look but found it difficult to get a chart for the number of Covid deaths since April but found this one on the number of deaths compared to the average for the previous five years.

It does kind of suggest that the numbers now are actually very low compared to the peak in April (and again, I'm not in any way trying to downplay the tragedy of those that have died, merely pointing out that there has actually been a massive drop in numbers of deaths)

Obviously, whether that trend continues, only time will tell.


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https://news.stv.tv/scotland/in-numbers-how-coronavirus-is-taking-its-toll-on-scotland

[hibbyfraelibby]

I do keep up, 30 weekly deaths is small compared to seasonal flu for example, the effects other than CV-19 deaths far outweigh the simplistic view Sturgeon has taken

When was the last time we gad 30 flu deaths at end of September?

The excess deaths over the 5 year rolling average do show hifher death rates than expected, not because other unrelated deaths are spiking but because Covid took lives over and above the ecpected death rate. Yup numbers are no longer near the peak lst April but the are now similar to the March figures on a similar projectory albeit from a lower baseline but still increasing exponentially.

I appreciate you are a virologist with years if experiance unlike Prof Leitch and Dr Shivi who are mere amatuers with no access to the granular data or the detailed WHO advice so I'll bow to your wisdom and dismiss the 3 family members and 2 acquaintances deaths from Covid either directly or as a contibutory factor as an abhoration

[whiskyhibby]

When was the last time we gad 30 flu deaths at end of September?

The excess deaths over the 5 year rolling average do show hifher death rates than expected, not because other unrelated deaths are spiking but because Covid took lives over and above the ecpected death rate. Yup numbers are no longer near the peak lst April but the are now similar to the March figures on a similar projectory albeit from a lower baseline but still increasing exponentially.

I appreciate you are a virologist with years if experiance unlike Prof Leitch and Dr Shivi who are mere amatuers with no access to the granular data or the detailed WHO advice so I'll bow to your wisdom and dismiss the 3 family members and 2 acquaintances deaths from Covid either directly or as a contibutory factor as an abhoration


im not a virologist, likewise Leitch and Shivi are not macro economic experts, But thanks for the patronising response, you must be a Sturgeon speech writer .....

[weecounty hibby]

im not a virologist, likewise Leitch and Shivi are not macro economic experts, But thanks for the patronising response, you must be a Sturgeon speech writer .....

Are you a macro economic expert? If not what do you think you know better than the people running the governments in Scotland and the rUK who have all of the information? Fans won't be allowed back in England any time soon either. I know two people who have died with Covid and one of them was only 53, just a couple of years older than me. My wife has been ill for months after testing positive and struggles to get through each day she is so ****ed by it. I have a daughter who has two different lung diseases caused by her rare medical condition who has hardly been out in months and is home schooling as a precaution. But aye let's bash on and let thousands into football stadiums every week to mingle and pass it around.

[Aldo]

I'm not meaning to downplay the effect on those that have suffered from Covid recently, but surely the numbers going into hospitals and the number of deaths are way down on what they were in April/May?

:dunno:

At this stage Keith they are however with the R number as high as 1.6 they are trying to stem the rise anyway they can.

13,000 cases in one day in UK is worrying however these are people who have tasted positive. The only thing I would add is that there was no test for Covid back then (as there is now) so figures are hard to compare.

It’s concerning that it is spreading and spreading fast so if any measures saves lives then the should be looked at.

I understand that the economy needs to grow but at what cost.

It’s also fine for folk to say look at this country, look at that country blah blah. One glove doesn’t fit all imho and we need to find the balance.


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[Inconsequential]

Are you a macro economic expert? If not what do you think you know better than the people running the governments in Scotland and the rUK who have all of the information? Fans won't be allowed back in England any time soon either. I know two people who have died with Covid and one of them was only 53, just a couple of years older than me. My wife has been ill for months after testing positive and struggles to get through each day she is so ****ed by it. I have a daughter who has two different lung diseases caused by her rare medical condition who has hardly been out in months and is home schooling as a precaution. But aye let's bash on and let thousands into football stadiums every week to mingle and pass it around. Very well said a voice of reason on Hibs. net at last. Hope things improve for you and your family soon. I'm 59 and while I consider myself fairly fit I must admit I'm getting rather concerned with the covid situation. I read some football fans say there is no reason why football stadiums are not open. Of course there are reasons and you have just provided some.

[Keith_M]

At this stage Keith they are however with the R number as high as 1.6 they are trying to stem the rise anyway they can.

13,000 cases in one day in UK is worrying however these are people who have tasted positive. The only thing I would add is that there was no test for Covid back then (as there is now) so figures are hard to compare.

It’s concerning that it is spreading and spreading fast so if any measures saves lives then the should be looked at.

I understand that the economy needs to grow but at what cost.

It’s also fine for folk to say look at this country, look at that country blah blah. One glove doesn’t fit all imho and we need to find the balance.
....


Very true and I totally agree that it's a difficult balancing act.

:aok:


It's easy to criticise those in charge (and mistakes have definitely been made) but I wouldn't fancy their job right now.

[Bristolhibby]

Very well said a voice of reason on Hibs. net at last. Hope things improve for you and your family soon. I'm 59 and while I consider myself fairly fit I must admit I'm getting rather concerned with the covid situation. I read some football fans say there is no reason why football stadiums are not open. Of course there are reasons and you have just provided some.

I’ll just add to that the effect of Long COVID.

My sister in law is a paediatric nurse in London and caught COVID early on. She is still wheezy, and suffers from anxiety since getting it. She calls it “the fear” but prior to that no problems. I know it’s a “mental health” issue, but the other impacts are not to be sniffed at. You might survive, but in her case COVID has left its mark.

I think I can do without live sport for a few more months.

J

[weecounty hibby]

I’ll just add to that the effect of Long COVID.

My sister in law is a paediatric nurse in London and caught COVID early on. She is still wheezy, and suffers from anxiety since getting it. She calls it “the fear” but prior to that no problems. I know it’s a “mental health” issue, but the other impacts are not to be sniffed at. You might survive, but in her case COVID has left its mark.

I think I can do without live sport for a few more months.

J
I have genuinely tried to keep away from these kinds of threads as my family circumstances mean that I see red with some of the utterly stupid comments at times. My wife has actually looked out the insurance policies, made sure I knew where they were and has made arrangements should the worst happen. That is how ill this has made. I truly hope that the worst that happens to folk is not getting into a football match as there are much worse things that can happen to you

[04Sauzee]

SCOTTISH FA

@ScottishFA chief executive Ian Maxwell says fans in Scotland are expected to return 'a lot quicker' than in six months time following a meeting with the Scottish Sports Minister Joe FitzPatrick. https://t.co/F3k66vUz0h

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1313790471823556609?s=19

[FilipinoHibs]

SCOTTISH FA

@ScottishFA chief executive Ian Maxwell says fans in Scotland are expected to return 'a lot quicker' than in six months time following a meeting with the Scottish Sports Minister Joe FitzPatrick. https://t.co/F3k66vUz0h

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1313790471823556609?s=19

An absolute fantasist as the second predicted wave just starts up.

[Sir David Gray]

SCOTTISH FA

@ScottishFA chief executive Ian Maxwell says fans in Scotland are expected to return 'a lot quicker' than in six months time following a meeting with the Scottish Sports Minister Joe FitzPatrick. https://t.co/F3k66vUz0h

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1313790471823556609?s=19

I read this last night.

I remain hopeful but I won't hold my breath.

[Brightside]

So no contact sport for the next 2 weeks from Friday (except Professional). Half the teams in Scotland arent Pro. Does that mean all the cup games are off?

[Sir David Gray]

So no contact sport for the next 2 weeks from Friday (except Professional). Half the teams in Scotland arent Pro. Does that mean all the cup games are off?

Unless I'm missing something, I thought they were all professional, just not full time.

The ban on contact sports is only in 5 health boards in any case.

[bigwheel]

So no contact sport for the next 2 weeks from Friday (except Professional). Half the teams in Scotland arent Pro. Does that mean all the cup games are off?

No. Professional sport (which includes the spfl) continues ...

[H18 SFR]

No. Professional sport (which includes the spfl) continues ...

I feel sorry for Kelty Hearts.

Edit - and Brora.

Edit # 2. Surely they won’t be impacted as not central belt?

[bigwheel]

I feel sorry for Kelty Hearts.

Edit - and Brora.

Edit # 2. Surely they won’t be impacted as not central belt?

I may be wrong but I’m assuming semi pro teams will continue to compete. Certainly in any sfa amor spfl competitions

[H18 SFR]

I may be wrong but I’m assuming semi pro teams will continue to compete. Certainly in any sfa amor spfl competitions

I just took it as professional only given the description of elite sports.

[G B Young]

An absolute fantasist as the second predicted wave just starts up.

Fantasist is the right word.

[H18S NX]

I would guess that the longer it takes to admit fans the more pleased will be the clubs that have sold plenty of season tickets.
Looks like shortage of ‘flu vaccines is the next big problem....My 93 year old housebound mother is having to take a taxi next week to get a private flu jab because her local doctor cannot give her a date for the NHS jab.

[where'stheslope]

I think the thread title should be changed to, "What month do you think fans will be allowed back? ( or what year?)!!!

[Keith_M]

I think the thread title should be changed to, "What month do you think fans will be allowed back? ( or what year?)!!!


I think you've misunderstood... the thread's referring to September 2021.








:wink:

[Billy Whizz]

http://www.celticfc.net/news/18641

Celtic starting to build up their datebase, to help when fans can get back in

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/10/15/national/japan-test-coronavirus-measures-filling-stadium-27000-people/

80% capacity trial in Japan.

[marinello59]

Looks like Poland are going back to having no fans in the grounds again from this weekend. (They had been playing to 50% capacity.)

[jgl07]

...My 93 year old housebound mother is having to take a taxi next week to get a private flu jab because her local doctor cannot give her a date for the NHS jab.

That's strange because flu jabs have been carried out in Edinburgh on an industrial scale. We went to the car park at Napier University a couple of weeks back and it took 10 minutes. There have been several other dates given including at chemist shops in Bruntsfield.

[where'stheslope]

That's strange because flu jabs have been carried out in Edinburgh on an industrial scale. We went to the car park at Napier University a couple of weeks back and it took 10 minutes. There have been several other dates given including at chemist shops in Bruntsfield.
Got my flu jab on the NHS in Morrisons Pharmacy last week, made an appointment went along job done.

[A Hi-Bee]

That's strange because flu jabs have been carried out in Edinburgh on an industrial scale. We went to the car park at Napier University a couple of weeks back and it took 10 minutes. There have been several other dates given including at chemist shops in Bruntsfield.

Very good for you and others but there is a different flu jab for different age groups, the ones for older people are in very short supply, it is a big worry for the ones effected.

[Keith_M]

So some Scottish Health Boards have copied over some software to decide who gets the Flu vaccine and when.

Unfortunately, it's sorted by youngest first, meaning the most vulnerable (the elderly) will be last to get the vaccine.

Apparently this is because they though it a good idea to 're-purpose' some software used for ... Children's Vaccinations. An it didn't occur to anybody that might be a bad idea.


Jesus Wept!

:rolleyes:




p.s. If anybody that works for the idiots supplying this software is reading this, here's the fix....

# Append to end of SQL Query
SORT BY age DESC;

[Eaststand]

That's strange because flu jabs have been carried out in Edinburgh on an industrial scale. We went to the car park at Napier University a couple of weeks back and it took 10 minutes. There have been several other dates given including at chemist shops in Bruntsfield.

I checked online on NHS inform to see what my choices were and that search gave me a few options. If you have a car you can choose drive through, so I did, and had mines done last weekend at Easter Road behind the eaststand. It was a really well run, quick process so full marks to all involved 👍

GGTTH

[04Sauzee]

David Cormack

Supported by Aberdeen City Council we applied for a second test event versus Celtic to include 1,000 fans, just 5% capacity, out in the open fresh air. Got a polite "no" from @scotgov @jasonleitch stating our first test was a success & latest plan was robust & in excellent shape.

2/ @jasonleitch told SPFL execs that outdoor events like football were much more palatable than indoor events. Meanwhile flights are at 100% capacity with recycled air & no social distancing. Hundreds of thousands of fans eagerly await Clubs & @scotgov coming up with a real plan.

3/ We plan to share these robust test regulations with our fans later this week. Not one single positive case has emerged from the 300 who attended our first test. We are NOT asking for carte blanche... these are "Test Events"... NOT a commitment for multiple games!

[hibbysam]

David Cormack

Supported by Aberdeen City Council we applied for a second test event versus Celtic to include 1,000 fans, just 5% capacity, out in the open fresh air. Got a polite "no" from @scotgov @jasonleitch stating our first test was a success & latest plan was robust & in excellent shape.

2/ @jasonleitch told SPFL execs that outdoor events like football were much more palatable than indoor events. Meanwhile flights are at 100% capacity with recycled air & no social distancing. Hundreds of thousands of fans eagerly await Clubs & @scotgov coming up with a real plan.

3/ We plan to share these robust test regulations with our fans later this week. Not one single positive case has emerged from the 300 who attended our first test. We are NOT asking for carte blanche... these are "Test Events"... NOT a commitment for multiple games!

For me, I’d rather the top leaders of our sport in this country first and foremost concentrated on getting fans into non league grounds in Scotland. The reasons are simple, I’m as desperate as the next person to get back into ER, but we have a workable solution and Hibs have my money already. They’re going to lose money by getting 1000/2000 anything up to 11000 into the ground.

These non league teams that get 100/200/300 fans through the door, they need the money that these fans bring in. Without it these clubs will go under. It’s also mostly all terracing/grass verges so very easy for fans to social distance.

Once these fans get in, and it should’ve happened by now, then we can start working on a plan to get fans into the top stadia, building up to a point where we can get both season ticket holders and walk ups in the door.

[timewilltell]

For me, I’d rather the top leaders of our sport in this country first and foremost concentrated on getting fans into non league grounds in Scotland. The reasons are simple, I’m as desperate as the next person to get back into ER, but we have a workable solution and Hibs have my money already. They’re going to lose money by getting 1000/2000 anything up to 11000 into the ground.

These non league teams that get 100/200/300 fans through the door, they need the money that these fans bring in. Without it these clubs will go under. It’s also mostly all terracing/grass verges so very easy for fans to social distance.

Once these fans get in, and it should’ve happened by now, then we can start working on a plan to get fans into the top stadia, building up to a point where we can get both season ticket holders and walk ups in the door.

None of this is happening this season I'm afraid.

[CockneyRebel]

So some Scottish Health Boards have copied over some software to decide who gets the Flu vaccine and when.

Unfortunately, it's sorted by youngest first, meaning the most vulnerable (the elderly) will be last to get the vaccine.

Apparently this is because they though it a good idea to 're-purpose' some software used for ... Children's Vaccinations. An it didn't occur to anybody that might be a bad idea.


Jesus Wept!

:rolleyes:




p.s. If anybody that works for the idiots supplying this software is reading this, here's the fix....

# Append to end of SQL Query
SORT BY age DESC;




I'm an oldie and got mine last week at the drive through at Napier. I could have got it at Tyncastle which is nearer for me but I would have had to have been vaccinated against the Black Death before I went.

[hibbysam]

None of this is happening this season I'm afraid.

Both will happen this year, it’s just completely unnecessary to lump them all under the same umbrella when they are entirely different things. If the governing body of our game can’t get the government to allow fans into non league games then they will have failed big time and if it wasn’t clear before then It would be clear now that they weren’t fit for purpose.

[PatHead]

Got my flu jab on Saturday at Holyrood High School drive through. My mum and daughter went on Sunday.
None of us had a problem, straight through in minutes. They seem to have got it right.

[green day]

David Cormack

Supported by Aberdeen City Council we applied for a second test event versus Celtic to include 1,000 fans, just 5% capacity, out in the open fresh air. Got a polite "no" from @scotgov @jasonleitch stating our first test was a success & latest plan was robust & in excellent shape.

2/ @jasonleitch told SPFL execs that outdoor events like football were much more palatable than indoor events. Meanwhile flights are at 100% capacity with recycled air & no social distancing. Hundreds of thousands of fans eagerly await Clubs & @scotgov coming up with a real plan.

3/ We plan to share these robust test regulations with our fans later this week. Not one single positive case has emerged from the 300 who attended our first test. We are NOT asking for carte blanche... these are "Test Events"... NOT a commitment for multiple games!

This is just more attention seeking by this plonker.

Today there is chat about how the leagues might not even get finished / contingency plans.

This supposedly top businessman is talking about having 1000 people at a match - whats the point in that, he needs 10 x that to cover his STs and Celtic fans wouldnt be allowed to travel so what does it tell us???

From Hibs perspective, we have 12000 ST holders and would make diddly squat additional money unless we get another few thousand on top of STs through the door. Cormacks plan would lose everyone money.
Football - like a lot of businesses - is in a lot of bother, but pie in the sky crap from this eejit does nothing except up his daftie profile.

[B.H.F.C]

This is just more attention seeking by this plonker.

Today there is chat about how the leagues might not even get finished / contingency plans.

This supposedly top businessman is talking about having 1000 people at a match - whats the point in that, he needs 10 x that to cover his STs and Celtic fans wouldnt be allowed to travel so what does it tell us???

From Hibs perspective, we have 12000 ST holders and would make diddly squat additional money unless we get another few thousand on top of STs through the door. Cormacks plan would lose everyone money.
Football - like a lot of businesses - is in a lot of bother, but pie in the sky crap from this eejit does nothing except up his daftie profile.

You’re not going to retain 12,000 season ticket holders if there isn’t any hope of actually seeing games though. It’s not going to go from nobody to everybody in one go. Starting with lesser numbers and proving it is safe, increasing it and proving that is safe as well is absolutely the way to go.

Bring vocal about trying to get fans back in to grounds isn’t daft IMO, even if he does always have plenty to say for himself.

[18Craig75]

Maybe they shouldn’t have splashed out on McCrorie if they are now this desperate to get fans in...

Also note it’s in conjunction with the Tory run council. But of trouble making going on I think!

[green day]

You’re not going to retain 12,000 season ticket holders if there isn’t any hope of actually seeing games though. It’s not going to go from nobody to everybody in one go. Starting with lesser numbers and proving it is safe, increasing it and proving that is safe as well is absolutely the way to go.

Bring vocal about trying to get fans back in to grounds isn’t daft IMO, even if he does always have plenty to say for himself.

I fully understand this bit, hence why I said football is in trouble.

He talks about safety, but he cant actually prove its safe though, he doesnt have the necessary tools and he is simply being a distraction at a time when the infection numbers are increasing.

I never believed for a minute we were getting (real numbers of) fans back in before the spring, and he actually risks alienating the Scot Gov even more with this.

[B.H.F.C]

I fully understand this bit, hence why I said football is in trouble.

He talks about safety, but he cant actually prove its safe though, he doesnt have the necessary tools and he is simply being a distraction at a time when the infection numbers are increasing.

I never believed for a minute we were getting (real numbers of) fans back in before the spring, and he actually risks alienating the Scot Gov even more with this.

How can you prove something without being given the opportunity? They’ve proved it’s safe with 300 (it was never not going to be safe with that number) so take the next step.

He’s absolutely right to push it. It’s no different to people in the hospitality industry pushing for customers to be allowed in.

[Eyrie]

I suspect Cormack knew the answer would be "no" before he even asked, but the fact that he did ask will go down well with the Aberdeen fans.

[Keith_M]

...
From Hibs perspective, we have 12000 ST holders and would make diddly squat additional money unless we get another few thousand on top of STs through the door. ....


The extension of that logic, though, is that clubs would do better by not allowing season ticket holders in for the whole season, despite them already having paid for the right to attend.

Hardly seems fair

[jeffers]

The extension of that logic, though, is that clubs would do better by not allowing season ticket holders in for the whole season, despite them already having paid for the right to attend.

Hardly seems fair

True but personally I don’t want the club spending money that will result in a loss just to allow a few hundred to attend in person. I’m at the stage now where I don’t have any expectations of attending a match this season.

[Eyrie]

True but personally I don’t want the club spending money that will result in a loss just to allow a few hundred to attend in person. I’m at the stage now where I don’t have any expectations of attending a match this season.

I don't mind a few hundred for a couple of test events, but after that it needs to be worthwhile which means several thousand (eg 4000 = one third of season tickets). And I don't see that being allowed any time soon.

[SteveHFC]

No fans this season after today’s announcement I think.

[CMurdoch]

No fans this season after today’s announcement I think.

Perhaps the tail end but the baw looks burst until Spring

[Sir David Gray]

No fans this season after today’s announcement I think.

Ross County fans might be lucky as fans will be allowed in tier 0 and tier 1 areas but for fans of the rest of the league it will be a while.

[Radium]

I realise fans going back this season is a fading hope but has the club contacted season ticket holders to find out who are in the same household? or are they just using the addresses on the database? There will also be cases where people from different addresses qualify as the same household.

My thought being that if we plan when we have time it will prevent issues should limited number of fans be allowed back


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[K-Zazu]

I don't mind a few hundred for a couple of test events, but after that it needs to be worthwhile which means several thousand (eg 4000 = one third of season tickets). And I don't see that being allowed any time soon.

What exactly is the point in a test event? Let’s let 200 people inside a 20k stadium but u can’t sing or shout or do anything.

[Phil MaGlass]

Are there not large car parks where big screens could be put up and fans could drive in to watch the game, just like some American drive-in cinemas,10 quid per head or 30 quid pr car?

[Sioux]

Are there not large car parks where big screens could be put up and fans could drive in to watch the game, just like some American drive-in cinemas,10 quid per head or 30 quid pr car?

We can watch games on big TVs now!

[Moulin Yarns]

Are there not large car parks where big screens could be put up and fans could drive in to watch the game, just like some American drive-in cinemas,10 quid per head or 30 quid pr car?

Plans for cinemas etc in England showing games

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54666403

[Onion]

Are there not large car parks where big screens could be put up and fans could drive in to watch the game, just like some American drive-in cinemas,10 quid per head or 30 quid pr car?

Interesting idea, but probably not viable. Also, not sure sitting in a cold, enclosed car is a better experience than sitting in your living room. Seems crazy that West Ham fans can group together to watch their game live in a cinema but not allowed to sit in a stand (outside) in the ground. Bonkers.

[Keith_M]

"Several clubs are allowing a limited number of supporters to watch matches on TV screens in the hospitality areas of their grounds - as long as they don't have a direct view of the pitch."


:faf:


Don't look out the window or you'll catch Covid!

[danhibees1875]

Plans for cinemas etc in England showing games

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54666403

It's ridiculous that you can watch the football inside but not outside. I'm also not sure I get the point in it Vs watching it at home.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's ridiculous that you can watch the football inside but not outside. I'm also not sure I get the point in it Vs watching it at home.

Collective suffering :wink:

[where'stheslope]

Are there not large car parks where big screens could be put up and fans could drive in to watch the game, just like some American drive-in cinemas,10 quid per head or 30 quid pr car?
Your prices don't add up?
No car sharing allowed other than direct family!
So we can't go to a drive in with our buddies!
It will be all Tom Kyte till this virus is totally under control, however long that takes!!!!

[danhibees1875]

Collective suffering :wink:

They're not all Hibs fans though. :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

It's ridiculous that you can watch the football inside but not outside. I'm also not sure I get the point in it Vs watching it at home.

"Following the science..." :rolleyes:

[Keith_M]

...
No car sharing allowed other than direct family!
So we can't go to a drive in with our buddies!
...


But you can go to the cinema with them and watch West Ham on the big screen, as long as you travel separately.

[Brightside]

It will all depend on what Tier Level we get down to in Lothians. If it goes to Tier 1 small numbers will be allowed in Stadia. We could well see northern teams with fans allowed in very soon.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15OFt2U2i4wK9Z7w0C8UFFYrghqmS2MaS/view

[Sir David Gray]

It will all depend on what Tier Level we get down to in Lothians. If it goes to Tier 1 small numbers will be allowed in Stadia. We could well see northern teams with fans allowed in very soon.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15OFt2U2i4wK9Z7w0C8UFFYrghqmS2MaS/view

I can't see anywhere in the central belt being anything less than tier 2 any time soon.

[Brightside]

I can't see anywhere in the central belt being anything less than tier 2 any time soon.

Yep that’s the main issue. But Edinburgh area infection rates are going down. Glasgow and Lanarkshire still going up.

[Moulin Yarns]

I can't see anywhere in the central belt being anything less than tier 2 any time soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54673808

Jason suggests tier 3.

[Brightside]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54673808

Jason suggests tier 3.

No doubt we are Tier 3 right now. But our infection rates are going down.