What's the chances of fans going back in September?

[Pretty Boy]

West Ham fans sitting in a cinema 10 minutes from the ground watching the game today.

Would it not be safer to let them into the ground? It would obviously be a miniscule amount of people relative to the capacity but I can't see how 100 people sitting in a cinema is safer than 500 sitting in the ground.

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54673808

Jason suggests tier 3.

I've seen that. 😠

[Sir David Gray]

West Ham fans sitting in a cinema 10 minutes from the ground watching the game today.

Would it not be safer to let them into the ground? It's obviously a miniscule amount of people but I can't see how 100 people sitting in a cinema is safer than 1000 sitting in the ground.

Yep, outdoor settings are massively safer than any indoor setting ever will be when it comes to the transmission of a virus.

[Keith_M]

Yep, outdoor settings are massively safer than any indoor setting ever will be when it comes to the transmission of a virus.


German politicians are constantly stressing the importance of Frische Luft, or fresh air, in helping combat the virus.

Our leaders must have a different viewpoint.

[Dashing Bob S]

Slim

[G B Young]

Probably been asked already but would this thread be more appropriately renamed 'What's the chances of fans being back for the start of next season?'

[04Sauzee]

EEN tweets

'Small number of fans' set to be allowed at Aberdeen v Hibs

https://t.co/IdzOIOobg9

[Wheat Hound]

Even a small amount of fans potentially gives Aberdeen a small advantage. Should it not be until all clubs (or at least all clubs in the same league) are allowed to have fans?

[Sir David Gray]

EEN tweets

'Small number of fans' set to be allowed at Aberdeen v Hibs

https://t.co/IdzOIOobg9

I think the headline's a bit more encouraging than the article unfortunately.

[Moulin Yarns]

The strategic framework has tiers 0 and 1 having stadia open with restricted numbers.

So there is the incentive for football fans in Edinburgh 😉


Actually, tier 3 has stadia closed to spectators and tiers 3 and 4 has no event permitted and stadia closed to spectators. So again, the incentive to get your area down to lower tiers is there.

[The dalmeny]

Even a small amount of fans potentially gives Aberdeen a small advantage. Should it not be until all clubs (or at least all clubs in the same league) are allowed to have fans?

hate this “if I can’t have it, no one should have it” attitude, things are pretty ***** at the moment at least let someone get a bit enjoyment

[04Sauzee]

I think the headline's a bit more encouraging than the article unfortunately.

Sorry i posted the tweet without being able to read the article

[Sir David Gray]

Even a small amount of fans potentially gives Aberdeen a small advantage. Should it not be until all clubs (or at least all clubs in the same league) are allowed to have fans?

If we're waiting on the Glasgow and Lanarkshire clubs, we'll be waiting a while.

[Keith_M]

Sorry i posted the tweet without being able to read the article


There's an article in the DR today discussing the possibility of having fans at some games on 6th November


"...And we understand the proposals received the green light on Tuesday with the Government now expected to rubber-stamp the return at Holyrood today - with Aberdeen and Ross County set to be given official clearance to open their doors to around 300 supporters for the respective visits of Hibs and Livingston."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/premiership-games-fans-attendance-nicola-22915653


The figure quoted is 300, which seems a bit strange given Aberdeen already had a successful test event for 300 and were supposed to be increasing it to 1,000 next time.

[davhibby]

Aberdeen are just pointlessly pushing this as they have been for weeks now. Aberdeen won’t be in Tier 1 next week so there’s no chance they’ll have fans in. I’d imagine that’ll pretty much be County with fans for the rest of the season however

[Keith_M]

Aberdeen are just pointlessly pushing this as they have been for weeks now. Aberdeen won’t be in Tier 1 next week so there’s no chance they’ll have fans in. I’d imagine that’ll pretty much be County with fans for the rest of the season however


Ross County could possibly end up having the highest average attendance in Scotland this season.

:greengrin

[lord bunberry]

Plans for cinemas etc in England showing games

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54666403
They’re already showing premiership games in the vue cinema at ocean terminal.

[Alfred E Newman]

The strategic framework has tiers 0 and 1 having stadia open with restricted numbers.

So there is the incentive for football fans in Edinburgh 😉


Actually, tier 3 has stadia closed to spectators and tiers 3 and 4 has no event permitted and stadia closed to spectators. So again, the incentive to get your area down to lower tiers is there.
If level 0 still has restrictions surely it should be level 1.🤔

[SHODAN]

It is amazing how unbelievably well things have fallen into place for Aberdeen this season.

[Moulin Yarns]

If level 0 still has restrictions surely it should be level 1.🤔

below tier 0 is where we were in March this year.

[Billy Whizz]

It is amazing how unbelievably well things have fallen into place for Aberdeen this season.

That will be 2 games, they get fans in

[Ronniekirk]

EEN tweets

'Small number of fans' set to be allowed at Aberdeen v Hibs

https://t.co/IdzOIOobg9

Aberdeen have already had fans at one game ffs



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[green day]

I am not really getting the "Aberdeen are getting all the breaks" by 2 matches with 300 fans rustling sweetie papers inside pittodrie.

Not sure they get any more advantage from this, and it will cost them a fair bit of cash.

[Moulin Yarns]

Aberdeen have already had fans at one game ffs



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Hibs are obviously benefiting from there being no fans 😉

[Billy Whizz]

I am not really getting the "Aberdeen are getting all the breaks" by 2 matches with 300 fans rustling sweetie papers inside pittodrie.

Not sure they get any more advantage from this, and it will cost them a fair bit of cash.

I’m sure 11,000 Hibs season ticket holders would say otherwise

[green day]

I’m sure 11,000 Hibs season ticket holders would say otherwise

Sorry, I dont understand what you mean?

[Killiehibbie]

Man Utd say they're ready for 23,500 any time. Temp checks and staggered arrivals. No mention of exit but they usually have staggered emptying out anyway.

[Billy Whizz]

Sorry, I dont understand what you mean?

Just every Hibs fan would bite your hand off to get to a game, and Aberdeen might get 2

[Keith_M]

Just every Hibs fan would bite your hand off to get to a game, and Aberdeen might get 2


Can you imagine this place after they choose the 300 lucky sods from the 11,000 ST holders though?


Absolute meltdown.

:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Can you imagine this place after they choose the 300 lucky sods from the 11,000 ST holders though?


Absolute meltdown.

:greengrin

It won’t be you anyway, as you live in the Weedge😀

[Keith_M]

It won’t be you anyway, as you live in the Weedge😀


I might live here but, in my defence, I do own a bar of soap (though god knows when I last saw it)

[04Sauzee]

Grim news coming out of Dundee United. Club have today asked players and staff to accept 20% wage cut for rest of the season. See @scotsunsport for full story.

[Since452]

Grim news coming out of Dundee United. Club have today asked players and staff to accept 20% wage cut for rest of the season. See @scotsunsport for full story.

Most clubs have done that already. Only surprising thing is it's taken them this long

[green day]

Just every Hibs fan would bite your hand off to get to a game, and Aberdeen might get 2

Ok, understand where you are coming from.

Thing is, they have a similar problem, loads of ST and only 300 punters.

I would almost rather wait til we can get a few thousand in, tbh.

[green day]

Grim news coming out of Dundee United. Club have today asked players and staff to accept 20% wage cut for rest of the season. See @scotsunsport for full story.

I'm sure Tom English will write a few columns slagging them off.......

[Keith_M]

Grim news coming out of Dundee United. Club have today asked players and staff to accept 20% wage cut for rest of the season. See @scotsunsport for full story.


Not a big surprise, really.

Haven't they been splashing the cash a bit recently?

[Sylar]

They won't be the last. I believe Peterhead were in the same boat, were they not?

A couple more months of this and there'll be a few clubs in incredibly perilous positions.

[Billy Whizz]

Grim news coming out of Dundee United. Club have today asked players and staff to accept 20% wage cut for rest of the season. See @scotsunsport for full story.

You’d have thought they’d have known their season ending cash flow, before they signed McNulty, unless they aren’t paying much of his wages

[Alfred E Newman]

below tier 0 is where we were in March this year.

That must be level -1 then?

[FilipinoHibs]

National lockdown coming to England next week. Scotland almost certain to follow. Don't know for how long or if football will be allowed to continue during it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/save-christmas-with-covid-lockdown-in-england-experts-say?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[jgl07]

I thought that Scotland, or the area where most people live has been in lockdown for a week or more.

Why has Edinburgh been placed in the same category as Glasgow despite the fact that the CV rate in way below anything from Glasgow or Dundee?

Silly question here? Did anyone expect the SNP to put Edinburgh in a lower classification than Glasgow? It was never going to happen.

I am certainly not slagging off the SNP but just hoping for fair treatment for Edinburgh.

[1875Sean]

National lockdown coming to England next week. Scotland almost certain to follow. Don't know for how long or if football will be allowed to continue during it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/save-christmas-with-covid-lockdown-in-england-experts-say?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Football in England was able to carry on in lockdown, can’t see that changing

Scotland have had a lot more strict restrictions in place for longer like not. Icing households etc, hopefully they will mean we won’t follow but it will depend on the numbers

[Clarence]

Doesn’t look good for lower leagues in Scotland if that is the case.

[JOD]

WTF has this got to do with our
semi. We'll talk and worry about that rounabout Sunday after we've hump them.

[Brightside]

National lockdown coming to England next week. Scotland almost certain to follow. Don't know for how long or if football will be allowed to continue during it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/save-christmas-with-covid-lockdown-in-england-experts-say?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Scotland has already got lockdowns. Remember we are about a month ahead of England in our actions. Numbers and infections rates are coming down in Lothian. Just need to get the west under control.

[Juniper Greens]

We won't necessarily follow England. They have been too lax until today. Areas with much higher transmission with Ayrshire (level 3, quite high) are still in level 1 down there!
What it will mean is England will give us a little more money again, as that's how this pandemic has seemed to work, England controlling the purse strings.

[18Craig75]

Our 7 day average of new cases is going the right way as well as the case positivity.

Hopefully the unpopular but decisive action the ScotGov took early means we’ll avoid another full lockdown. A lot of political capital to be gained should that be the case. Imagine if Scotland and Wales didn’t need to lockdown but England did, not a great look given the warnings they ignored.

[JohnMcM]

A lockdown won't be the only thing coming if Nisbet gets a hat-trick today:greengrin

[The Count]

North and South Lanarkshire got the benifit of the doubt and were put in tier 3 and not 4.Edinburgh and East Lothian were not given tbe benefit of doubt and were put in tier 3 not tier 2.Now this is not easy for the SNP government i admit that but dont tell me that politics did not influence that decision.

[green day]

Holy ground for this topic please, it's semi final day, ffs......

[Jack]

In a global pandemic where cases are increasing by more than 500,000 new infections a day lockdowns will be more commonplace. However it rips ma knittin that people describe what we have now in Scotland as a lockdown. Mild restrictions at best, even earlier this year it wasn't a full lockdown.

[Juniper Greens]

North and South Lanarkshire got the benifit of the doubt and were put in tier 3 and not 4.Edinburgh and East Lothian were not given tbe benefit of doubt and were put in tier 3 not tier 2.Now this is not easy for the SNP government i admit that but dont tell me that politics did not influence that decision.

What influenced the decision is that West Lothian is still very high and NHS Lothian have a pool of beds. Therefore there was a risk that if we go up slightly and WL is yet to come down, there won't be enough beds

[The Count]

Fair point.Hibs will win in 90 minutes Glory Glory

[hibee-boys]

WTF has this got to do with our
semi. We'll talk and worry about that rounabout Sunday after we've hump them.

Fair enough but it could seriously curtail our cup victory parade!🤣

[H18 SFR]

My excitement for today has just dampened opening this thread. Annoyed at myself.

[Callum_62]

National lockdown coming to England next week. Scotland almost certain to follow. Don't know for how long or if football will be allowed to continue during it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/save-christmas-with-covid-lockdown-in-england-experts-say?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_OtherThe scot gov has been incredibly open and transparent on the reasons why tiers were selected

Going over in detail on TV and also releasing all rationale on there website

The info is all there

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[Moulin Yarns]

Some lower league games in England selling out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-54704567


One club said it thought the interest stemmed from football being like a "Class A drug" for many supporters.

If fans are not alowed at Easter Road but they are in the Lowland League for example, who would you go to watch?

[H18 SFR]

Some lower league games in England selling out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-54704567


If fans are not alowed at Easter Road but they are in the Lowland League for example, who would you go to watch?

Yes, I’d go to as many games as possible.

[CentreLine]

North and South Lanarkshire got the benifit of the doubt and were put in tier 3 and not 4.Edinburgh and East Lothian were not given tbe benefit of doubt and were put in tier 3 not tier 2.Now this is not easy for the SNP government i admit that but dont tell me that politics did not influence that decision.

Science actually. Right now 46 million people have been confirmed to have this virus and every 72 hours the equivalent of a packed out Easter Road die from this virus. World Wide that figure is only rising. The measures being put in place here are slowing that rise but we are still being afforded a reasonable standard of life. If we all respect that there is a fair chance things will quickly get to Tier 2, 1 and hopefully zero.

[The Baldmans Comb]

We won't necessarily follow England. They have been too lax until today. Areas with much higher transmission with Ayrshire (level 3, quite high) are still in level 1 down there!
What it will mean is England will give us a little more money again, as that's how this pandemic has seemed to work, England
controlling the purse strings.


Its truly an awful state of affairs that Scottish people can't control their own borders or control their own finances in the midst of a global pandemic.

This really is one of the strangest countries and I really can't think of anywhere comparable anywhere in the world.

Somehow cases seem to be coming down though in Scotland and the 5 tier system does give at least some parts of rural Scotland a very good chance of some sort of normality with the central belt remaining in the balance.

I fear for the lower leagues though as they are going to struggle to complete their seasons and very surprisingly some of the Northern clubs ironically may have allowed fans in by then.

[Eyrie]

Fair enough but it could seriously curtail our cup victory parade!🤣

Based on last time, 250k people standing 2m apart on either side of the route means the parade will have to be over 150 miles long so it will need to start in Inverness.

Their stadium to ours is 157 miles, so easy enough to plan.

[04Sauzee]

Ross County granted government approval to admit 300 fans to Friday night’s Premiership game against Livingston.

[G B Young]

Ross County granted government approval to admit 300 fans to Friday night’s Premiership game against Livingston.


Wonder what's happened today to change minds. Just a couple of hours ago this seemed dead in the water:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ross-county-downbeat-over-fan-22955855

[Magpie]

Ross County granted government approval to admit 300 fans to Friday night’s Premiership game against Livingston.

Happy to see progress.

[Magpie]

Up to 4,000 fans allowed back into stadiums in England from 2nd December depending on what tier they are in.

Maximum of 4,000 in Tier 1
Maximum of 2,000 in Tier 2

[hibbysam]

Up to 4,000 fans allowed back into stadiums in England from 2nd December depending on what tier they are in.

Maximum of 4,000 in Tier 1
Maximum of 2,000 in Tier 2

Can’t even get 100 into a non league ground up here, chances of thousands anytime soon is extremely unlikely unfortunately.

[Sir David Gray]

Can’t even get 100 into a non league ground up here, chances of thousands anytime soon is extremely unlikely unfortunately.

Ross County's had fans at their last two home games albeit nowhere near 4,000.

[hibbysam]

Ross County's had fans at their last two home games albeit nowhere near 4,000.

300 I think. My point being that in England from tier 6 downwards fans have been allowed, whereas up here they still aren’t, so I wouldn’t trust us to be following England’s lead anytime soon on numbers.

[Sir David Gray]

300 I think. My point being that in England from tier 6 downwards fans have been allowed, whereas up here they still aren’t, so I wouldn’t trust us to be following England’s lead anytime soon on numbers.

I agree that we won't be following their lead. Fans can only return in level 0 and level 1 areas and at the moment that only applies to Ross County, Inverness and Elgin in terms of the 42 teams in the SPFL.

[Moulin Yarns]

300 I think. My point being that in England from tier 6 downwards fans have been allowed, whereas up here they still aren’t, so I wouldn’t trust us to be following England’s lead anytime soon on numbers.

Not bad, considering there are only 3 tiers.

[danhibees1875]

Not bad, considering there are only 3 tiers.

Not sure if I've missed the joke but I assume that means football tier. :greengrin

I don't expect any fan news up here until we've started the vaccine roll out.

[Monts]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/55010011

[hibbysam]

Not bad, considering there are only 3 tiers.

Might want to tell that to those in league 2 downwards that they aren’t playing for anything then..

[hibee-boys]

I wonder if the clubs will be that keen to have very small crowds allowed back in. I’m assuming it will be season ticket holders first with some sort of ballot so they won’t be generating any additional ticket revenue but will be required to cover additional policing/stewarding costs. Granted this might be offset by income collected at club shops, food kiosks.

[Keith_M]

Not sure if I've missed the joke but I assume that means football tier. :greengrin

I don't expect any fan news up here until we've started the vaccine roll out.


I think he's referring to the Covid Restrictions Tiers, not the English Leagues.

[hibbysam]

I think he's referring to the Covid Restrictions Tiers, not the English Leagues.

I was quite clearly talking about the tiers of the English pyramid, seeing as there aren’t more than 6 Covid tiers. Fans in non league grounds in England below the national league have been allowed into grounds for months since they started back up. That’s not been the case up here which is a shambles, hence my point of us not following that route, so no chance of us following the 4000 or 50% route.

[Keith_M]

I was quite clearly talking about the tiers of the English pyramid, seeing as there aren’t more than 6 Covid tiers. Fans in non league grounds in England below the national league have been allowed into grounds for months since they started back up. That’s not been the case up here which is a shambles, hence my point of us not following that route, so no chance of us following the 4000 or 50% route.


OK, I get you.

In which case, I'd just like to point out that England has an ELEVEN tier system (https://www.myfootballfacts.com/england_footy/non-league/english-football-pyramid-system/).

[hibbysam]

OK, I get you.

In which case, I'd just like to point out that England has an ELEVEN tier system (https://www.myfootballfacts.com/england_footy/non-league/english-football-pyramid-system/).

I never said they didn’t? I actually think they have more tiers than 11, but could be wrong. My point was fans were allowed from tier 6 (I think) essentially out EOS leagues and below. There’s no reason why we never followed that based on the numbers attending and the space available to distance in a predominantly terraced/open area.

[Sir David Gray]

I never said they didn’t? I actually think they have more tiers than 11, but could be wrong. My point was fans were allowed from tier 6 (I think) essentially out EOS leagues and below. There’s no reason why we never followed that based on the numbers attending and the space available to distance in a predominantly terraced/open area.

Elgin are allowed fans and they have said that they're struggling to make this happen due to the available space.

I can only assume that the distancing required in Scottish stadia is greater than it is in England and therefore not practical.

[Keith_M]

Elgin are allowed fans and they have said that they're struggling to make this happen due to the available space.

I can only assume that the distancing required in Scottish stadia is greater than it is in England and therefore not practical.


This might sound a bit stupid but, are the SG restricting fans to only use seated areas?

That would be a bit of a killer for the likes of Elgin, as they have just under 500 seats, so restricting it to a small percentage of that would be mean a miniscule number of fans

[Sir David Gray]

This might sound a bit stupid but, are the SG restricting fans to only use seated areas?

That would be a bit of a killer for the likes of Elgin, as they have just under 500 seats, so restricting it to a small percentage of that would be mean a miniscule number of fans

I don't think it is just seated areas that they're allowed to use, Elgin's chairman said this the other week;

"The limitations at Borough Briggs stadium may possibly preclude it, but we will move hell and high water to endeavour to make it happen because we desperately want it.

"It is going to be really difficult in our stadium because all the seats are taken up by the red and amber zones. Our green zones, where fans could go, are the two ends and the far side and that may be the problem with access and social distancing when moving round."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54823753

[Keith_M]

I don't think it is just seated areas that they're allowed to use, Elgin's chairman said this the other week;

"The limitations at Borough Briggs stadium may possibly preclude it, but we will move hell and high water to endeavour to make it happen because we desperately want it.

"It is going to be really difficult in our stadium because all the seats are taken up by the red and amber zones. Our green zones, where fans could go, are the two ends and the far side and that may be the problem with access and social distancing when moving round."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54823753


Thanks. So they basically have no available seats.

The quote from the Elgin Chairman did actually highlight the problem. When you have people standing, and probably milling around, it's not nearly as easy to ensure the minimum distance is being kept as it would be with designated seating.

[nonshinyfinish]

Thanks. So they basically have no available seats.

The quote from the Elgin Chairman did actually highlight the problem. When you have people standing, and probably milling around, it's not nearly as easy to ensure the minimum distance is being kept as it would be with designated seating.

Yeah, people I know who went to some English lower league games a few months ago said some were standing spread out but others were standing in groups as they normally would (of course some of those might be household groups, but many won't be). In one case a penalty was given just before the end and loads of people congregated behind that goal…

[Pretty Boy]

Patience is a virtue at the moment.

Having fans back in limited numbers will cost Hibs money. I'd love to be part of a group of 1 or 2000 at a game, frankly watching on a screen leaves me disconnected and bored, but not if it doesn't make sense economically and from a health perspective.

We are close to a return to near normality. Heads down, get on with it and have ER rocking for the 1at game of next season.

[hibbysam]

Elgin are allowed fans and they have said that they're struggling to make this happen due to the available space.

I can only assume that the distancing required in Scottish stadia is greater than it is in England and therefore not practical.

I’m talking non league though. I go and watch Preston for example. Taking the stand being close, due to player changing, then I look around the pitch and see grass verges that well over 1000 people can get into. I stand outside a perimeter wall watching the game. I am not allowed to stand the other side of that perimeter wall and pay my £6 to get in, along with the 50-100 others. My point being at these grounds (where it isn’t stadia in the most part, it is all terraces/grass verges) then they should’ve had fans in a long time ago.

I’ve absolutely no doubt that the committee members of these clubs would take great pride in walking round making sure distancing is observed.

[where'stheslope]

If England are to allow 4,000 fans in to games, most of their stadiums are more in keeping with Celtic and Rangers here, with some exceptions.
So 4,000 would be lost in say Man Utd stadium, but in Fulham it would have a bit of atmosphere!
Up here Hamilton and Livingston would be over half full!
Would that then be an advantage to smaller stadia'd teams???

[hibee]

If England are to allow 4,000 fans in to games, most of their stadiums are more in keeping with Celtic and Rangers here, with some exceptions.
So 4,000 would be lost in say Man Utd stadium, but in Fulham it would have a bit of atmosphere!
Up here Hamilton and Livingston would be over half full!
Would that then be an advantage to smaller stadia'd teams???

It’s 4000 or 50% of capacity whichever is lower but not sure if they have to let any away fans in so if not that could be an advantage.

[Leith Green]

Excuse my ignorance 😁 But to save me trawling through recent news bulletins and updates , as well as countless threads.. Do we reckon we will be back in the stadiums at full capacity for next season or potentially earlier??

[HibbyAndy]

Excuse my ignorance 😁 But to save me trawling through recent news bulletins and updates , as well as countless threads.. Do we reckon we will be back in the stadiums at full capacity for next season or potentially earlier??

Full stadiums at the start of next season for me

[Keith_M]

Excuse my ignorance 😁 But to save me trawling through recent news bulletins and updates , as well as countless threads.. Do we reckon we will be back in the stadiums at full capacity for next season or potentially earlier??


Nobody really knows.

[Sir David Gray]

Excuse my ignorance 😁 But to save me trawling through recent news bulletins and updates , as well as countless threads.. Do we reckon we will be back in the stadiums at full capacity for next season or potentially earlier??

Full capacity probably won't happen until this time next year.

I think fans will return to every stadium in small numbers from August.

[HibbyAndy]

Full capacity probably won't happen until this time next year.

I think fans will return to every stadium in small numbers from August.


I can't see why it would take a full year for full stadiums when the vaccine is getting rolled out next month

Sooner the better , Only thing i have genuinely missed during this year is watching hibs

[Sir David Gray]

I can't see why it would take a full year for full stadiums when the vaccine is getting rolled out next month

Sooner the better , Only thing i have genuinely missed during this year is watching hibs

We'll see I suppose, just guesswork on my part.

I don't see us getting up to 20,000 people inside Easter Road until the vaccine's available to the general public, which it won't be for a long time yet.

[Centre Hawf]

Patience is a virtue at the moment.

Having fans back in limited numbers will cost Hibs money. I'd love to be part of a group of 1 or 2000 at a game, frankly watching on a screen leaves me disconnected and bored, but not if it doesn't make sense economically and from a health perspective.

We are close to a return to near normality. Heads down, get on with it and have ER rocking for the 1at game of next season.

I actually really agree with this, I had written off the prospect of getting into the ground this season when the second wave began showing signs. As you say it would be nice to get some folk back but at this point if its going to cost the club money I'd rather we just knuckle down and see this through to the vaccine rather than try and get a small number of people in.

[CockneyRebel]

Full stadiums at the start of next season for me


I reckon that's a pretty shrewd estimate, reliant on the vaccine rollout going relatively smoothly. IMO it will take the rest of this season to hopefully build up from small attendances to a full house. It would only take a spike or two to put us right back into the Tom Kite again.

[HibbyAndy]

I reckon that's a pretty shrewd estimate, reliant on the vaccine rollout going relatively smoothly. IMO it will take the rest of this season to hopefully build up from small attendances to a full house. It would only take a spike or two to put us right back into the Tom Kite again.

Only my take on it bud

[where'stheslope]

Excuse my ignorance 😁 But to save me trawling through recent news bulletins and updates , as well as countless threads.. Do we reckon we will be back in the stadiums at full capacity for next season or potentially earlier??
Given the Christmas bubble announcement, I think the only places full in the New Year will be hospitals!!!!

[Phil MaGlass]

I think the only way fans will get back into full stadiums will be through either,
You can show a valid ID along with proof of vaccination certificate
or
Roughly,75% of the population have been vaccinated.

KLM and Transavia are talking about only letting folk on board planes if they have proof of vaccination.(not sure on the full story though)

[Moulin Yarns]

Not sure if I've missed the joke but I assume that means football tier. :greengrin

I don't expect any fan news up here until we've started the vaccine roll out.

No joke, there are only three tiers in England, the post I replied to said there were 6 tiers :confused:

I blame the original post for confusing the league structure with the tiers of restrictions. :wink:

[G B Young]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55073217

Sturgeon in no rush to put football at the front of the queue. Rightly so I feel.

[hibbysam]

No joke, there are only three tiers in England, the post I replied to said there were 6 tiers :confused:

I blame the original post for confusing the league structure with the tiers of restrictions. :wink:

Fairly clear it was regarding league structure considering I said it was tier 6 and below, and as you’ve rightly said there are only three Covid tiers.

[hibbysam]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55073217

Sturgeon in no rush to put football at the front of the queue. Rightly so I feel.

Yet says football can’t be treated in isolation which is fine, which should mean we are treated the same as the rest of the country. That should mean that I am allowed to stand on a grass verge and watch a non league game of football, just as I can stand on a grass verge in the park, or down the links. The fact there is a football game on shouldn’t matter based on her statement.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

" it could be the death-knell of some of our best loved clubs - and Hearts" :)

[EI255]

No doubt Aberdeen, Ross County and Celtic will be at the front of the queue.

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[EI255]

I think the only way fans will get back into full stadiums will be through either,
You can show a valid ID along with proof of vaccination certificate
or
Roughly,75% of the population have been vaccinated.

KLM and Transavia are talking about only letting folk on board planes if they have proof of vaccination.(not sure on the full story though)I know someone who's going to Lanzarote next weekend, flying from Edinburgh. Airline insisting that they have vaccinations (expensive) no more than 48 hours before departure.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Fairly clear it was regarding league structure considering I said it was tier 6 and below, and as you’ve rightly said there are only three Covid tiers.

All current talk of tiers are commonly referring to the tiers of covid restrictions, you confused the issue by bringing an unexpected reference to a 6 tiers without mentioning that it's the English league pyramid you are talking about.. Clear as mud.

[Moulin Yarns]

I know someone who's going to Lanzarote next weekend, flying from Edinburgh. Airline insisting that they have vaccinations (expensive) no more than 48 hours before departure.

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What vaccination are they getting? 🤔

[Sir David Gray]

I know someone who's going to Lanzarote next weekend, flying from Edinburgh. Airline insisting that they have vaccinations (expensive) no more than 48 hours before departure.

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I'm assuming you mean that the airline's insisting on them having a test?

The flight will be pretty empty if they're insisting people need a vaccine.

[Lago]

I'm assuming you mean that the airline's insisting on them having a test?

The flight will be pretty empty if they're insisting people need a vaccine.
Yip must be a test, think you need one to get into the Canaries.

[danhibees1875]

What vaccination are they getting? 🤔

I might be missing the joke but... :greengrin

I assume they mean a test rather than a vaccine.

[Radium]

I look forward to next season with some optimism but can’t see there being meaningful numbers in grounds this season. That a small, three figure, number of fans get back this season would be good.

Vaccine may start to be distributed next month but I don’t see level zero being universal by the end of the season. Really want to be wrong on this.


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[bingo70]

I look forward to next season with some optimism but can’t see there being meaningful numbers in grounds this season. That a small, three figure, number of fans get back this season would be good.

Vaccine may start to be distributed next month but I don’t see level zero being universal by the end of the season. Really want to be wrong on this.


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Ive written off this season and can’t really say I’ve got any interest in going back with a few hundred fans as a sort of trial.

I’ll happily just wait till next season now. Also don’t really see how getting fans back in limited numbers will help clubs financially? Presumably it’ll be season ticket holders first so they’ve already paid their money. Won’t make money of catering and merchandise off a small number of fans so seems a bit of a pointless argument to be picking now.

Should just wait till next season now unless there’s real developments that allow decent crowds in before the end of the season.

[hibbysam]

Ive written off this season and can’t really say I’ve got any interest in going back with a few hundred fans as a sort of trial.

I’ll happily just wait till next season now. Also don’t really see how getting fans back in limited numbers will help clubs financially? Presumably it’ll be season ticket holders first so they’ve already paid their money. Won’t make money of catering and merchandise off a small number of fans so seems a bit of a pointless argument to be picking now.

Should just wait till next season now unless there’s real developments that allow decent crowds in before the end of the season.

Totally agree. Any limited numbers should firstly be offered to non league and lower league sides who may need it to survive. Top league clubs should have the option if they like, but I’d rather hibs had none in than lost money through it.

[B.H.F.C]

Totally agree. Any limited numbers should firstly be offered to non league and lower league sides who may need it to survive. Top league clubs should have the option if they like, but I’d rather hibs had none in than lost money through it.

It’s not about losing money, they have people’s money. As soon as they have the opportunity to get folk in, in whatever numbers, they need to do it. There are plenty folk who would take the opportunity, no matter how limited numbers are.

[bingo70]

It’s not about losing money, they have people’s money. As soon as they have the opportunity to get folk in, in whatever numbers, they need to do it. There are plenty folk who would take the opportunity, no matter how limited numbers are.

Yeah but the SPFL letter to Sturgeon says that if they don’t allow some limited number of fans back in then it could cause clubs to be in serious financial trouble.

Letting a limited number of fans back in won’t help anyone financially I wouldn’t have thought. Not to any significant amount anyway.

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah but the SPFL letter to Sturgeon says that if they don’t allow some limited number of fans back in then it could cause clubs to be in serious financial trouble.

Letting a limited number of fans back in won’t help anyone financially I wouldn’t have thought. Not to any significant amount anyway.

There are other aspects to it as well IMO, not just match day revenue. Getting folk to the stadium is the best way to engage them and fans need a bit hope that they’re going to be getting more for their money with season ticket renewals just round the corner.

Limited numbers of fans would help a lot of the lower league clubs, I’m sure.

[hibbysam]

It’s not about losing money, they have people’s money. As soon as they have the opportunity to get folk in, in whatever numbers, they need to do it. There are plenty folk who would take the opportunity, no matter how limited numbers are.

Yeah and that’s your prerogative. My stance on it is I’d rather not go this season knowing it’ll cost my club more money, which could be better spent in the transfer market in January or the summer to allow me to see an even better side competing when I’m allowed back. Couple that with a horrendous atmosphere, sitting for 2 hours with a mask on, then unfortunately it’s not for me, and many others I know.

The statement from the SPFL is regarding the grave danger of losing clubs if fans aren’t allowed in now. That may well be the case for lower league clubs and they’d be my focus, but it’s the total opposite for majority of top league clubs.

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah and that’s your prerogative. My stance on it is I’d rather not go this season knowing it’ll cost my club more money, which could be better spent in the transfer market in January or the summer to allow me to see an even better side competing when I’m allowed back. Couple that with a horrendous atmosphere, sitting for 2 hours with a mask on, then unfortunately it’s not for me, and many others I know.

The statement from the SPFL is regarding the grave danger of losing clubs if fans aren’t allowed in now. That may well be the case for lower league clubs and they’d be my focus, but it’s the total opposite for majority of top league clubs.

I get others will decide whether they fancy it or no. But having parted with £420 I don’t think I’ll be feeling guilty about costing the club money if I have the chance to attend!

[danhibees1875]

I get others will decide whether they fancy it or no. But having parted with £420 I don’t think I’ll be feeling guilty about costing the club money if I have the chance to attend!

:agree:

[EI255]

What vaccination are they getting? [emoji848] meant test

Holiday has just been cancelled anyways

[EI255]

I'm assuming you mean that the airline's insisting on them having a test?

The flight will be pretty empty if they're insisting people need a vaccine.Indeed! (test not vaccination)
Holiday been cancelled anyway.

[Sir David Gray]

I get others will decide whether they fancy it or no. But having parted with £420 I don’t think I’ll be feeling guilty about costing the club money if I have the chance to attend!

Absolutely, each to their own of course but I wouldn't feel an ounce of guilt by attending a match in the next couple of months.

If it wasn't for season ticket holders digging deep 7 or 8 months ago, despite not having a clue what they were paying for, there may not have been a club in existence that we could do out of money.

[hibbysam]

Absolutely, each to their own of course but I wouldn't feel an ounce of guilt by attending a match in the next couple of months.

If it wasn't for season ticket holders digging deep 7 or 8 months ago, despite not having a clue what they were paying for, there may not have been a club in existence that we could do out of money.

Which is completely fair, I still think we’re a million miles away from being out of the woods financially though, every penny is still a prisoner, and I genuinely don’t think I’d get any enjoyment from going along, sitting on my hands, with a mask for 2 hours, without being able to sing and shout and celebrate any goals like I would normally. Fair play if you could, I’d just rather the club kept every penny and minimised outgoings this season, to ensure come the summer we can continue to build on this squad and give us an even better product to go back to in August.

[ancient hibee]

I think clubs will want to demonstrate to supporters that they are open for business-even if as rightly said it'll cost the bigger clubs to do it.

[SaulGoodman]

Indeed! (test not vaccination)
Holiday been cancelled anyway.

Jet2? We cancelled our holiday to Lanzarote that was booked for February due to that.

400 and odd pound to get us all tested wasn’t worth it for a week away tbh.

[Radium]

Ive written off this season and can’t really say I’ve got any interest in going back with a few hundred fans as a sort of trial.

I’ll happily just wait till next season now. Also don’t really see how getting fans back in limited numbers will help clubs financially? Presumably it’ll be season ticket holders first so they’ve already paid their money. Won’t make money of catering and merchandise off a small number of fans so seems a bit of a pointless argument to be picking now.

Should just wait till next season now unless there’s real developments that allow decent crowds in before the end of the season.

I am not sure if I would go back with a couple of hundred in the ground but I think that there would be enough people who would want to go back - and would feel better for doing so.

Part of me also thinks it would be a wider pick me up indicating that things are getting better.

... not something to be rushed


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[B.H.F.C]

I think clubs will want to demonstrate to supporters that they are open for business-even if as rightly said it'll cost the bigger clubs to do it.

I think, more than anything, they’ll want to demonstrate to supporters that they’re doing all they can to get as many back in as are allowed at any given time. It wouldn’t look good if they were allowed supporters in, chose not to let them in, but at the same time were asking them to shell out for next years season ticket.

They’ll want to use it to help get things operational again as well, especially as things will likely be getting done a bit differently when we get back.

[Magpie]

Liverpool and London placed into Tier 2 which means there could be up to 2,000 fans allowed into the Liverpool v Wolves and Spurs v Arsenal game on the 5th December.

[O'Rourke3]

I think, more than anything, they’ll want to demonstrate to supporters that they’re doing all they can to get as many back in as are allowed at any given time. It wouldn’t look good if they were allowed supporters in, chose not to let them in, but at the same time were asking them to shell out for next years season ticket.

They’ll want to use it to help get things operational again as well, especially as things will likely be getting done a bit differently when we get back.Slightly different tack on the same point. The club will need people to attend to prove their system operates. If I'm lucky enough to get picked,I'm there.

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[h1bs4life]

I think, more than anything, they’ll want to demonstrate to supporters that they’re doing all they can to get as many back in as are allowed at any given time. It wouldn’t look good if they were allowed supporters in, chose not to let them in, but at the same time were asking them to shell out for next years season ticket.

They’ll want to use it to help get things operational again as well, especially as things will likely be getting done a bit differently when we get back.

Clubs will do all they can to get fans in , if I get the chance I'm in .
Long way to go but need to get as close to normal before season end.
Would be an incentive for people to renew.

[NAE NOOKIE]

This has probably been raised already, but I can't be bothered to go back multiple pages to find out :greengrin

Aside from being nice and getting a few fans into the ground to cheer the players on, what incentive is there for Hibs to open the gates to a few thousand fans even if it was allowed? I would imagine there would be no catering and no hospitality, so Hibs wouldn't make any money from that and I imagine it would be a requirement to have some extra staff and stewards who would cost the club money.

And then how do you pick the say 2000? Even if it was a straight up ballot of ST holders what happens next time, are the lucky first time winners excluded from the next ballot?
If they are excluded what if the game they got lucky for was Hibs v Hamilton but they were then excluded from a chance at a cup tie against the Rangers or even Hearts?
What if Hibs decided 1500 would be ST holders and the other 500 tickets were put on general sale to give walk ups a chance?

We all know what this place is like, there would be uproar :devil:

[Eyrie]

This has probably been raised already, but I can't be bothered to go back multiple pages to find out :greengrin

Aside from being nice and getting a few fans into the ground to cheer the players on, what incentive is there for Hibs to open the gates to a few thousand fans even if it was allowed? I would imagine there would be no catering and no hospitality, so Hibs wouldn't make any money from that and I imagine it would be a requirement to have some extra staff and stewards who would cost the club money.

And then how do you pick the say 2000? Even if it was a straight up ballot of ST holders what happens next time, are the lucky first time winners excluded from the next ballot?
If they are excluded what if the game they got lucky for was Hibs v Hamilton but they were then excluded from a chance at a cup tie against the Rangers or even Hearts?
What if Hibs decided 1500 would be ST holders and the other 500 tickets were put on general sale to give walk ups a chance?

We all know what this place is like, there would be uproar :devil:

I've pointed out before that there would only be costs involved for Hibs as the income has already been received.

However it's a good way to keep fans engaged and I think it would only be season ticket holders eligible for any ballot as that would be a way of thanking those who forked out knowing that there was a real risk of not being able to attend any games.

As regards which match you get, that's pure luck and once you've accepted that's you until everyone else has been picked. I'd probably give people two weeks notice and ask for acceptances so that any seat which isn't accepted could then be offered to someone else. Seats would be non-transferable to enable track and trace. Family groups could be included together, so a family of three has three chance to be picked but if any one of them is picked then all three have to go or miss out.

Frankly I couldn't care whether I get top of the table Sevco or bottom of the league Hamilton - I'd just like to be there and won't be put off by wearing a mask or not sitting next to anyone.

[B.H.F.C]

This has probably been raised already, but I can't be bothered to go back multiple pages to find out :greengrin

Aside from being nice and getting a few fans into the ground to cheer the players on, what incentive is there for Hibs to open the gates to a few thousand fans even if it was allowed? I would imagine there would be no catering and no hospitality, so Hibs wouldn't make any money from that and I imagine it would be a requirement to have some extra staff and stewards who would cost the club money.

And then how do you pick the say 2000? Even if it was a straight up ballot of ST holders what happens next time, are the lucky first time winners excluded from the next ballot?
If they are excluded what if the game they got lucky for was Hibs v Hamilton but they were then excluded from a chance at a cup tie against the Rangers or even Hearts?
What if Hibs decided 1500 would be ST holders and the other 500 tickets were put on general sale to give walk ups a chance?

We all know what this place is like, there would be uproar :devil:

IMO, they have a responsibility to give as many people as possible what they have paid for, whenever this becomes possible.

Regarding who gets to go, I think it should be a case of a straightforward ballot with season ticket holders only. Find out who wants to be included/excluded and take it from there.

[G B Young]

I haven't missed going to ER anything like as much as I thought I would and I have no real interest in being part of any limited crowds which might be allowed before the end of the season. However, it's a currently a lovely bright wintery morning in Edinburgh and with Hibs at home and playing a (hopefully) winnable game I'm thinking for the first time in a long while that it would be nice to be able to head down to the game today.

[Peevemor]

I haven't missed going to ER anything like as much as I thought I would and I have no real interest in being part of any limited crowds which might be allowed before the end of the season. However, it's a currently a lovely bright wintery morning in Edinburgh and with Hibs at home and playing a (hopefully) winnable game I'm thinking for the first time in a long while that it would be nice to be able to head down to the game today.I think people might miss it more if it was the only thing in life that's changed, but the fact that it's a relatively small part of every day life being turned on it's head means the effect is lessened.

[G B Young]

I think people might miss it more if it was the only thing in life that's changed, but the fact that it's a relatively small part of every day life being turned on it's head means the effect is lessened.

Yes from my point of view I'd agree with that tho I'd suggest there are some fans for whom it's been a very big miss and the lack of that weekly (or more) routine and the companionship etc that often goes with it will have been hard to adjust to.

[The dalmeny]

This has probably been raised already, but I can't be bothered to go back multiple pages to find out :greengrin

Aside from being nice and getting a few fans into the ground to cheer the players on, what incentive is there for Hibs to open the gates to a few thousand fans even if it was allowed? I would imagine there would be no catering and no hospitality, so Hibs wouldn't make any money from that and I imagine it would be a requirement to have some extra staff and stewards who would cost the club money.

And then how do you pick the say 2000? Even if it was a straight up ballot of ST holders what happens next time, are the lucky first time winners excluded from the next ballot?
If they are excluded what if the game they got lucky for was Hibs v Hamilton but they were then excluded from a chance at a cup tie against the Rangers or even Hearts?
What if Hibs decided 1500 would be ST holders and the other 500 tickets were put on general sale to give walk ups a chance?


We all know what this place is like, there would be uproar :devil:

no danger there will be walk ups

[hibee]

no danger there will be walk ups

Have to agree, that would just be ridiculous if all season ticket holders can’t get in.

[The dalmeny]

Have to agree, that would just be ridiculous if all season ticket holders can’t get in.

how many ST holders are there again?

[Eyrie]

how many ST holders are there again?

A bit over 11k. Don't know if a final figure was ever announced.

[G B Young]

I know it's starting to sound like excuses from Lennon, but does he have a point about Celtic finding it harder going without fans? It could be argued that while Rangers look to be the better side this season there's less pressure on them trying to stop 10 in a row without their fans on their back, which would probably have happened if they'd started to slip up as they have done over the last couple of seasons. Celtic on the the other hand would likely benefit from their fans willing them on to reach the 10 in a row mark.

Overall, has anyone heard any players talk at any length about what it's like to play in empty stadia every game? While for some I imagine the absence of the pressure might help them shrug off any mistakes they make, I can't help thinking that for most it must feel a bit like playing training matches/closed doors (literally) games every week and it will arguably hard for them to raise their game.

Or does it not really bother players whether there are fans there or not?

[danhibees1875]

This has probably been raised already, but I can't be bothered to go back multiple pages to find out :greengrin

Aside from being nice and getting a few fans into the ground to cheer the players on, what incentive is there for Hibs to open the gates to a few thousand fans even if it was allowed? I would imagine there would be no catering and no hospitality, so Hibs wouldn't make any money from that and I imagine it would be a requirement to have some extra staff and stewards who would cost the club money.

And then how do you pick the say 2000? Even if it was a straight up ballot of ST holders what happens next time, are the lucky first time winners excluded from the next ballot?
If they are excluded what if the game they got lucky for was Hibs v Hamilton but they were then excluded from a chance at a cup tie against the Rangers or even Hearts?
What if Hibs decided 1500 would be ST holders and the other 500 tickets were put on general sale to give walk ups a chance?

We all know what this place is like, there would be uproar :devil:

I'm not sure on the commercial clauses behind our sponsorship contracts and whether or not we'd be able to offer any hospitality but I suspect any additional income from those areas would be offset by the extra costs. However, fans have already paid to be there so I think there's a degree of expectation on Hibs to get fans in as and when they can.

I'd suggest it's a ballot but one that ST holders apply for so as to avoid someone being picked and being unable to attend.

Once you're in once you don't re-enter the ballot until everyone else has had their shot too.

No walk ups until we're allowed over 11,000 (or whatever the ST sales were in the end) into the ground.

[roo62]

There is a company in Nottingham who have developed a Covid Killing mask (it kills all viruses) and is starting to be mass produced next month. I think professional sports should be investigating the potential with this. It could be a game changer in getting crowds back into stadia nationwide.

[H18 SFR]

There is a company in Nottingham who have developed a Covid Killing mask (it kills all viruses) and is starting to be mass produced next month. I think professional sports should be investigating the potential with this. It could be a game changer in getting crowds back into stadia nationwide.

Do you have a link, I’d like to read more about this?

[Sir David Gray]

Do you have a link, I’d like to read more about this?

I'm assuming it's this.

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2020-11-16/new-face-mask-that-kills-coronavirus-could-be-available-by-december-says-nottingham-scientist-nottingham-trent-university-dr-gareth-cave

[H18 SFR]

I'm assuming it's this.

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2020-11-16/new-face-mask-that-kills-coronavirus-could-be-available-by-december-says-nottingham-scientist-nottingham-trent-university-dr-gareth-cave

Thanks

[roo62]

Do you have a link, I’d like to read more about this?

The company is Pharm2farm and the mask was developed by Dr Gareth Cave. They are working with a German company Volz who are supporting worldwide production requirements and they are also awaiting a production line from Spain to arrive in the UK mid December for testing. The opportunity for the NHS,Care Homes,Air travel, Cruise Ships ...and professional sports, theatre,music arenas...endless really.

[roo62]

Thanks

Yes both

[ancient hibee]

The company is Pharm2farm and the mask was developed by Dr Gareth Cave. They are working with a German company Volz who are supporting worldwide production requirements and they are also awaiting a production line from Spain to arrive in the UK mid December for testing. The opportunity for the NHS,Care Homes,Air travel, Cruise Ships ...and professional sports, theatre,music arenas...endless really.

Only a partial defence against breathing in droplets. No good for the 101 other ways you can become infected.

[danhibees1875]

Only a partial defence against breathing in droplets. No good for the 101 other ways you can become infected.

After touching something that has the virus droplets and then touching your mouth/nose/eyes, what are the other 100?

[roo62]

Only a partial defence against breathing in droplets. No good for the 101 other ways you can become infected.

It has more than a partial defence AH - over 90% it is claimed...similar to the vaccine success rates we are all hoping for. Don't knock it we will be wearing masks for a long time and virus killing masks will safe lives. Just think if the Chinese scientists in Wuhan had been wearing them in the lab where the virus escaped from (one theory) the world might just have been Covid free ...just a thought

[marinello59]

After touching something that has the virus droplets and then touching your mouth/nose/eyes, what are the other 100?

:singing: Heads, shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes......

[danhibees1875]

:singing: Heads, shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes......

:greengrin

[Santa Cruz]

Only a partial defence against breathing in droplets. No good for the 101 other ways you can become infected.

There’s not 101 other ways to catch it and
face to face is the mostt likely

[1875godsgift]

:singing: Heads, shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes......

You lucky bugger at your age, it's :violin:head, shoulders, knees and back to shoulders for me!

[The dalmeny]

A bit over 11k. Don't know if a final figure was ever announced.

cheers, call it 1o k as you have 1k who won’t want to attend. maybe call it 2.5k a match and you’d get in once in every 4 home games. No walk ups no away fans

[Eyrie]

cheers, call it 1o k as you have 1k who won’t want to attend. maybe call it 2.5k a match and you’d get in once in every 4 home games. No walk ups no away fans

Makes sense. One in eight seats being used as well.

It'll take time before a decision is made to let us back but it'll probably work out at a couple of games each.

[Radium]

Makes sense. One in eight seats being used as well.

It'll take time before a decision is made to let us back but it'll probably work out at a couple of games each.

Which area/ areas of the ground would you use and how would you manage the attendance of, and queuing of 2500 people given that 2 metre distancing is likely to be still in place. How will people leave the ground?

Genuinely not meant as an ars&y question, just trying to highlight that where people can sit is the really easy bit.


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[Eyrie]

Which area/ areas of the ground would you use and how would you manage the attendance of, and queuing of 2500 people given that 2 metre distancing is likely to be still in place. How will people leave the ground?

Genuinely not meant as an ars&y question, just trying to highlight that where people can sit is the really easy bit.


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Didn't read as ars&y at all.

Thinking about it, the central sections of the West will be ruled out to protect the substitutes and coaches, and the South Lower because that's where the visitors are.

However the car park behind the West would allow for socially distanced queueing for either end of the stand and similarly there is plenty of room behind the East. There's a question mark over whether it would be worthwhile opening the South Upper (although there is room on the street for queues) and the Famous Five would have people queuing on the pavement (maybe down St Clair Street?).

Getting out would have to be controlled on a row by row basis.

It's doable, but as you say there's a lot to consider and any solution needs people to respect the rules in place.

[h1bs4life]

No doubt all the carry on outside the lesser greens hovel today will delay crowds getting back further.

[Moulin Yarns]

No doubt all the carry on outside the lesser greens hovel today will delay crowds getting back further.

Definitely. Seen tweet about it

[Hibeesforever]

England are opening up grounds, lots of pressure on the Scottish Government to follow suit...

[hibbysam]

Definitely. Seen tweet about it

Crowds aren’t delayed, they are allowed in their specific tiers. If the government stopped crowds going back after this they’d have a brass neck seeing as they wouldn’t do it to other industries. Would they put a blanket ban on pubs opening after the ‘incidents’ during international week?

[Moulin Yarns]

Crowds aren’t delayed, they are allowed in their specific tiers. If the government stopped crowds going back after this they’d have a brass neck seeing as they wouldn’t do it to other industries. Would they put a blanket ban on pubs opening after the ‘incidents’ during international week?

Simple answer



YES

[hibbysam]

Simple answer



YES

They never did. The actions of the few should have absolutely no bearing on the many. There was no talk of closing all the pubs if one chain never got their house in order, there should be no talk about stopping all fans because of the actions of one club.

[plhibs]

I was watching the Dallas NFL game last week (thanksgiving day) and there was 30,000 fans into that game. I think the capacity is 105,000, quite surprised how empty the stadium looked.
I know the USA is not a good example of how things should be done, just an interesting item.

No way i'm suggesting or saying it's the correct way.

[Moulin Yarns]

They never did. The actions of the few should have absolutely no bearing on the many. There was no talk of closing all the pubs if one chain never got their house in order, there should be no talk about stopping all fans because of the actions of one club.

You asked should not did.

[Ronniekirk]

England are opening up grounds, lots of pressure on the Scottish Government to follow suit...

England are all over the shop though Boris is not a strong leader he chops and changes under pressure
Given December and January are the main flu season months the clamour to almost ignore the virus and open things up is asking for trouble as This will be the time NHS won’t be able to cope
I do t think Nicola will pander to this plan for March would be best plan now apart from teams in Tier one and two where limited amount of fans should be gradually increased




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[green day]

England are opening up grounds, lots of pressure on the Scottish Government to follow suit...

Is there?

I doubt that football fans are close to the forefront of the Scottish Government thinking right now.

[Robbo6-2]

Is there?

I doubt that football fans are close to the forefront of the Scottish Government thinking right now.

The first minister is too busy campaigning for Scottish Independence to care about Scottish football

[Moulin Yarns]

the first minister is too busy answering questions about scottish independence to care about scottish football

ftfy

[hibbyfraelibby]

The first minister is too busy campaigning for Scottish Independence to care about Scottish football

Grow up

[Allez Hibs]

The first minister is too busy campaigning for Scottish Independence to care about Scottish football

Correct.

[hibbysam]

You asked should not did.

I actually asked ‘would’ and considering that was many weeks ago now and they never did, then the answer is clear.

[Magpie]

Up to 2,000 fans return tonight in stadiums across England.

[Moulin Yarns]

I actually asked ‘would’ and considering that was many weeks ago now and they never did, then the answer is clear.


You asked should not did.


29/11/2020

They never did. The actions of the few should have absolutely no bearing on the many. There was no talk of closing all the pubs if one chain never got their house in order, there should be no talk about stopping all fans because of the actions of one club.

:greengrin

[K-Zazu]

Just watched the cricket on bt sports stadium packed not a mask in sight was in Australia tho

[hibbysam]

29/11/2020


:greengrin

In the original post that you replied to about asking if the government would do it, they clearly never. Me saying ‘should’ in the second post was regarding my opinion on the actions of the few bringing the majority down in regards to football stadia. Fairly simple stuff again. The government stopping fans going back would be as brass necked as it comes and not consistent with any other decisions they had made.

[Keith_M]

In the original post that you replied to about asking if the government would do it, they clearly never. Me saying ‘should’ in the second post was regarding my opinion on the actions of the few bringing the majority down in regards to football stadia. Fairly simple stuff again. The government stopping fans going back would be as brass necked as it comes and not consistent with any other decisions they had made.


Closing all pubs in Aberdeen after a fairly small outbreak, then holding off for weeks (months?) on doing the same in Glasgow & Lanarkshire when numbers shot through the roof, wasn't very consistent.

The 'yellow card' for Scottish Football was also way out of proportion to what actually happened.

Then there's the decision to go ahead with a couple initial trials of football fans at stadiums... then ignoring all request to carry on with them in gradually increasing numbers, as was the original plan. This was totally at odds with the results of those trials, which by most standards would be deemed successful, and can hardly be described as 'following the science'.


I won't pretend to know what goes on in the heads of those in charge but there definitely seems to have been occasions where logic wasn't involved.

[I'm Spartacus]

It's going to be interesting to see if people just go back to normal with zero distancing and no masks, or if masks in crowds will now be the norm.

[G B Young]

Fans seem pretty divided on the issue. It's certainly not an overhwelming majority desperate to get back through the turnstiles:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55141784

[Latapy'sVolley]

Fans seem pretty divided on the issue. It's certainly not an overhwelming majority desperate to get back through the turnstiles:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55141784

Unsurprising that such a small percentage of Premier League supporters are saying they want to go back - only a small percentage of these clubs' fans will regularly go to games anyway.

[G B Young]

Unsurprising that such a small percentage of Premier League supporters are saying they want to go back - only a small percentage of these clubs' fans will regularly go to games anyway.

Is that true? Or do you mean some clubs (eg Man U, Liverpool) have such massive global supports that only a small percentage actually go to games regularly?

It seems to me that the attendances in the Premier League are by and large pretty huge. Who are all these folk going to the games if not regular fans?

[nonshinyfinish]

Unsurprising that such a small percentage of Premier League supporters are saying they want to go back - only a small percentage of these clubs' fans will regularly go to games anyway.

Hard to say exactly which percentages apply to which group without seeing the full results, but this seems pretty unambiguous:


About half of football fans who regularly attended matches before the pandemic said they would return to watch their team regularly before a vaccine was available

[Latapy'sVolley]

Is that true? Or do you mean some clubs (eg Man U, Liverpool) have such massive global supports that only a small percentage actually go to games regularly?

Yeah I mean this ^

[danhibees1875]

Unsurprising that such a small percentage of Premier League supporters are saying they want to go back - only a small percentage of these clubs' fans will regularly go to games anyway.

The poll was of fans who regularly attended matches.

[Latapy'sVolley]

The poll was of fans who regularly attended matches.


Says "both regular and non-regular match goers".

Point is, would imagine the percentage of fans up here wanting back into games will be greater because we've (relatively speaking) smaller fanbases and greater percentages of them are used to regularly going to games.

[offshorehibby]

My big mate is well chuffed, he's got his tickets to see the mighty Elgin on Saturday.

[danhibees1875]

Says "both regular and non-regular match goers".

Point is, would imagine the percentage of fans up here wanting back into games will be greater because we've (relatively speaking) smaller fanbases and greater percentages of them are used to regularly going to games.

You're right, I had misread how they were reporting that. They've split the results out though, so it's still only 48% keen to go from the group of people who regularly went beforehand - I don't see why that wouldn't be reflected up here. :dunno:

[Latapy'sVolley]

You're right, I had misread how they were reporting that. They've split the results out though, so it's still only 48% keen to go from the group of people who regularly went beforehand - I don't see why that wouldn't be reflected up here. :dunno:

Agreed, if not I'd imagine our demand would be higher because we've a greater percentage of population that goes to games https://www.hibs.net/image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAA f8/9hAAACFElEQVQ4y5WTzU8TQRjGm8YYDz0aEy/e/Au8efPimXBRCh40vcmHJBol8QgX40dNiTFwqKYVaRU2pR90DVC WItSuiwokEBoJH4kXDdHUULfdmcd5p7sbGqgfhyczO5vnN8/7zowHgKdcLksxQ/UxfVKxjCyYkV1x1puJvJ4GwMeps0zP1Co767AMFWKu/R/AUE8xY3LD3DBAEFZMciwmQv8MkIuFiStWMY1fmyswNz8B86/2kY 1/BVgmqZX6IRVMk7zxYRmri7IFDQiH1 DNnryoLkz7j8jdE4CRPQLvJiaYe zPy09w0R0mYAApNrSGyD3ApgbDUEd8gpjsHusHT1KBySAFxJ7z o6VL59R2S3JOUEc0X 2oOBrOpjpet2OvtkA rRAHcCKKeYYqssa Fxc1u axdwsLUnIrvYM3eMd0uwCkIv8wEQQmH4u45pr7xqNJHEy1XUdW x/SRwBmRx7yt2MyOhlry7l6AwlgGwlK2jKSRwGiPsxEgKmwaFZUp nDiu2YRn7RtJA4D5JmqQ9/I7Ea3eyABtrm6Oo9tXWkCSA5ehDYCZJ6ARjJImL07mam0nUKsC UB5dAzjD 4jNeiW4HS fg iwNPr2A8F0BPz4/b0tUYAicf6vTx8pw3Dvd8RuQuEbwGPrwL3LgMDLWXe35rnA62X br5s6 yK /fEhcKht2Bf6eNCPj584zx9/ kx/QZN0Bj6PNVG5QAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==https://www.hibs.net/image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAA f8/9hAAACFElEQVQ4y5WTzU8TQRjGm8YYDz0aEy/e/Au8efPimXBRCh40vcmHJBol8QgX40dNiTFwqKYVaRU2pR90DVC WItSuiwokEBoJH4kXDdHUULfdmcd5p7sbGqgfhyczO5vnN8/7zowHgKdcLksxQ/UxfVKxjCyYkV1x1puJvJ4GwMeps0zP1Co767AMFWKu/R/AUE8xY3LD3DBAEFZMciwmQv8MkIuFiStWMY1fmyswNz8B86/2kY 1/BVgmqZX6IRVMk7zxYRmri7IFDQiH1 DNnryoLkz7j8jdE4CRPQLvJiaYe zPy09w0R0mYAApNrSGyD3ApgbDUEd8gpjsHusHT1KBySAFxJ7z o6VL59R2S3JOUEc0X 2oOBrOpjpet2OvtkA rRAHcCKKeYYqssa Fxc1u axdwsLUnIrvYM3eMd0uwCkIv8wEQQmH4u45pr7xqNJHEy1XUdW x/SRwBmRx7yt2MyOhlry7l6AwlgGwlK2jKSRwGiPsxEgKmwaFZUp nDiu2YRn7RtJA4D5JmqQ9/I7Ea3eyABtrm6Oo9tXWkCSA5ehDYCZJ6ARjJImL07mam0nUKsC UB5dAzjD 4jNeiW4HS fg iwNPr2A8F0BPz4/b0tUYAicf6vTx8pw3Dvd8RuQuEbwGPrwL3LgMDLWXe35rnA62X br5s6 yK /fEhcKht2Bf6eNCPj584zx9/ kx/QZN0Bj6PNVG5QAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==(fingers crossed)

[lord bunberry]

I’m watching the Wycombe game and they’ve got fans in the stadium, it’s quite weird tbh.

[HibbyAndy]

I’m watching the Wycombe game and they’ve got fans in the stadium, it’s quite weird tbh.

:agree: I'm watching Norwich game and it's amazing to have fans back making a noise again

[Billy Whizz]

My big mate is well chuffed, he's got his tickets to see the mighty Elgin on Saturday.

He’s a lucky person

[bingo70]

Delighted for those fans that are back just now. Must be amazing for them.

That said, I still think I’ll wait until next season. I think I’d rather wait and enjoy the euphoria of a full Easter road than a sort of half baked return with loads of restrictions.

I might change my mind if I have the chance of getting back but for now I think I’d rather wait.

Brilliant there’s light at the end of the tunnel regardless of when I’ll actually get back though.

[Magpie]

Nice to see fans returning.

[Iggy Pope]

My big mate is well chuffed, he's got his tickets to see the mighty Elgin on Saturday.

How many are Elgin letting in G? I’ve not caught up with this.

[G B Young]

Says "both regular and non-regular match goers".

Point is, would imagine the percentage of fans up here wanting back into games will be greater because we've (relatively speaking) smaller fanbases and greater percentages of them are used to regularly going to games.

Throwing 400,000 Hearts fans into the mix might skew the findings a bit...:wink:

[offshorehibby]

How many are Elgin letting in G? I’ve not caught up with this.

300 he thinks, said they had 200 season ticket holders there last week. Oh, and he'll probably get a pint.

https://www.elgincity.net/supporters/fans-returning

[murray26]

300 he thinks, said they had 200 season ticket holders there last week. Oh, and he'll probably get a pint.

https://www.elgincity.net/supporters/fans-returning

That’s probably the good thing about stopping people travelling it’s stopped the spread in small places like that it’s something that should never have been relaxed..

[blackpoolhibs]

I have a friend who owns a care home, i'm caretaker for that care home :wink: and will be getting the vaccine as soon as the vaccine arrives at the home next week.

I should be allowed in to games before those who have not had it. :greengrin

[hibee]

I have a friend who owns a care home, i'm caretaker for that care home :wink: and will be getting the vaccine as soon as the vaccine arrives at the home next week.

I should be allowed in to games before those who have not had it. :greengrin

I’ve heard there’s been a sharp rise in the number of care home volunteers this week too [emoji3]

[EI255]

Aberdeens bid to have 1000 fans back in rejected again by SG.

You gotta laugh [emoji1787]

They'd be better just punting bovrils and pies outside the ground.

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[Keith_M]

Aberdeens bid to have 1000 fans back in rejected again by SG.

You gotta laugh [emoji1787]

They'd be better just punting bovrils and pies outside the ground.
...


"We do care about football... but we care about Basketball and Netball as well."


Well that's that cleared up.

[Moulin Yarns]

"We do care about football... but we care about Basketball and Netball as well."


Well that's that cleared up.

That's a load of balls

[Keith_M]

That's a load of balls


Less of them in a Netball game, but yeah, it is.

[EI255]

"We do care about football... but we care about Basketball and Netball as well."


Well that's that cleared up.It seems to be the same two teams who shout the loudest about the return of fans.

I'm comfortable that the SG have rejected Aberdeens bid. Wait yer time (and shave yer sheep).

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[Moulin Yarns]

Less of them in a Netball game, but yeah, it is.

😂

[Moulin Yarns]

It seems to be the same two teams who shout the loudest about the return of fans.

I'm comfortable that the SG have rejected Aberdeens bid. Wait yer time (and shave yer sheep).

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That's sheer nerve for you. 😉

[Iggy Pope]

300 he thinks, said they had 200 season ticket holders there last week. Oh, and he'll probably get a pint.

https://www.elgincity.net/supporters/fans-returning

Handy wee social club right enough. Went up for the LC game a couple of seasons back and the folk were great.

[Magpie]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11789/12156238/aberdeen-chairman-dave-cormack-frustrated-by-lack-of-movement-for-fans-to-return

[04Sauzee]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11789/12156238/aberdeen-chairman-dave-cormack-frustrated-by-lack-of-movement-for-fans-to-return

Aberdeen also tweeted this.

[Sir David Gray]

Aberdeen also tweeted this.

Hard to argue with any of that, I don't fancy their chances of changing anything though.

[we are hibs]

300 fans is just pathetic, nonsense numbers. Honestly, what does 300 fans being allowed in prove/achieve? Theres no reason clubs with big enough stadiums cant get at least 2000 fans in the ground with plenty distance between fans. Its becoming a joke now.

[Phil MaGlass]

I dont know why Aberdeen go on about this, the whole of Europe is under severe pressure, covid is spreading, theres over 61,000 dead in the UK, but lets make fans who havent been vaccinated back into stadiums a priority ?? The amount of live games that I have seen recently in European stadiums where there are fans allowed back and they dont keep their distance is just staggering.
Dutch football was a real eye opener, just what is wrong with people, after 9 months they just dont learn. People are dumb as ****.
Sorry, just ****off Aberdeen.

[hibbysam]

I dont know why Aberdeen go on about this, the whole of Europe is under severe pressure, covid is spreading, theres over 61,000 dead in the UK, but lets make fans who havent been vaccinated back into stadiums a priority ?? The amount of live games that I have seen recently in European stadiums where there are fans allowed back and they dont keep their distance is just staggering.
Dutch football was a real eye opener, just what is wrong with people, after 9 months they just dont learn. People are dumb as ****.
Sorry, just ****off Aberdeen.

‘The whole of Europe is under severe pressure’ - yet somehow manage to allow fans back into stadia. Dress it up how you like, it’s pure stubbornness not to allow it, Leitch has said himself that there is very little risk transmission outdoors in a stadium. How many cases have come from stadia where fans are allowed across Europe? Your argument is nonsense, if they were that worried about the deaths and cases when making decisions they wouldn’t be allowing folks in cinemas to watch football, you wouldn’t be allowed in hospitality, shops etc. They’re finding ways of opening up far higher risk areas yet point blank refuse regarding football shows their discontent towards it.

[B.H.F.C]

I dont know why Aberdeen go on about this, the whole of Europe is under severe pressure, covid is spreading, theres over 61,000 dead in the UK, but lets make fans who havent been vaccinated back into stadiums a priority ?? The amount of live games that I have seen recently in European stadiums where there are fans allowed back and they dont keep their distance is just staggering.
Dutch football was a real eye opener, just what is wrong with people, after 9 months they just dont learn. People are dumb as ****.
Sorry, just ****off Aberdeen.

Aberdeen deserve credit for continuing to push this. More clubs should be more vocal about it as well.

No other type of business would just sit back and accept that they aren’t allowed their customers in. Football clubs have a right to voice that as well, especially when they operate in a potentially safer environment.

[Phil MaGlass]

My argument really is not nonsense, the Dutch govt, then made a uturn and banned fans from going to games. Cases are on the up. They are now about to close shops earlier, all bars and restaurants will not open before xmas.

[AugustaHibs]

My argument really is not nonsense, the Dutch govt, then made a uturn and banned fans from going to games. Cases are on the up. They are now about to close shops earlier, all bars and restaurants will not open before xmas.

Sure that’s all down to football

[hibbysam]

My argument really is not nonsense, the Dutch govt, then made a uturn and banned fans from going to games. Cases are on the up. They are now about to close shops earlier, all bars and restaurants will not open before xmas.

You do realise bars and restaurants are open eh? Shops won’t close. Cinemas are still open.

[Moulin Yarns]

The Scottish Government have guidance, and it is clearly stated that crowds will only be allowed in limited numbers in areas in levels 0 and 1. If Aberdeen, or anyone else, wants crowds in then they need to help get the message out there that the numbers need to come down to a level that the Government are comfortable with.

[hibbysam]

The Scottish Government have guidance, and it is clearly stated that crowds will only be allowed in limited numbers in areas in levels 0 and 1. If Aberdeen, or anyone else, wants crowds in then they need to help get the message out there that the numbers need to come down to a level that the Government are comfortable with.

Which is ridiculous. Especially considering bringing the numbers down is clearly not the be all and end all in Edinburgh when they get shafted every Tuesday.

[Jones28]

Which is ridiculous. Especially considering bringing the numbers down is clearly not the be all and end all in Edinburgh when they get shafted every Tuesday.

They’re not just making changes for the time, they also have to think about what would happen if they made those changes. The lag between the change and the numbers is anything from 3-5 weeks, so if they opened up places now cases would rise and when we have our Christmas free-for-all it would be a disaster.

[hibbysam]

They’re not just making changes for the time, they also have to think about what would happen if they made those changes. The lag between the change and the numbers is anything from 3-5 weeks, so if they opened up places now cases would rise and when we have our Christmas free-for-all it would be a disaster.

That’s pure speculation that cases would rise. What will make cases rise is the ‘Christmas free for all’ - and funnily enough they’ve made that decision, so again, people should stop preaching that every decision is made based on the potential for cases and deaths when they have put the whole country at risk for the sake of 3/4 days.

Edinburgh has been meeting the Tier 2 numbers and guidelines for weeks now, yet they keep making excuses regarding why they won’t move them. Again, Glasgow have huge numbers still yet got moved down to tier 3, not much regard for the safety of those through there.

However, the greater point was the poster advising it is down to the people to ensure getting into the relevant tier to get fans in, when that’s not the case. The government are making decisions off their own back and not based on the science or the facts.

[Jones28]

That’s pure speculation that cases would rise. What will make cases rise is the ‘Christmas free for all’ - and funnily enough they’ve made that decision, so again, people should stop preaching that every decision is made based on the potential for cases and deaths when they have put the whole country at risk for the sake of 3/4 days.

Edinburgh has been meeting the Tier 2 numbers and guidelines for weeks now, yet they keep making excuses regarding why they won’t move them. Again, Glasgow have huge numbers still yet got moved down to tier 3, not much regard for the safety of those through there.

However, the greater point was the poster advising it is down to the people to ensure getting into the relevant tier to get fans in, when that’s not the case. The government are making decisions off their own back and not based on the science or the facts.

It's not speculation, it has literally happened in front of our eyes since we relaxed the first lockdown. But the point is that they need to get cases down to a minimum before Christmas to lessen the impact of it. Edinburgh is a magical place at Christmas but they can't have thousands of people travelling from all over the country because if they did it would turn in to a super-spreader event. I can only imagine the thinking behind the Glasgow situation is they wanted smaller retailers to be able to keep trading.

Agree on the point that the more people do to prove that they can be trusted the quicker it will happen but what is evidenced is that football is at the back of the queue, I'd love to see fans back at games - though I won't be going until vaccines are common place.

Football just has to accept that and be thankful that it can still go on.

[hibbysam]

It's not speculation, it has literally happened in front of our eyes since we relaxed the first lockdown. But the point is that they need to get cases down to a minimum before Christmas to lessen the impact of it. Edinburgh is a magical place at Christmas but they can't have thousands of people travelling from all over the country because if they did it would turn in to a super-spreader event. I can only imagine the thinking behind the Glasgow situation is they wanted smaller retailers to be able to keep trading.

Agree on the point that the more people do to prove that they can be trusted the quicker it will happen but what is evidenced is that football is at the back of the queue, I'd love to see fans back at games - though I won't be going until vaccines are common place.

Football just has to accept that and be thankful that it can still go on.

Which, as proven yesterday, was majorly to do with holidays, and very little to do with pubs, restaurants etc like the Government wanted us to believe.

Couldn’t disagree more, basically saying ‘know your place’ to the football industry which does so much for the economics and the wellbeing of our country, allowing clubs that have been around for many years to suffer and potentially go to the wall is a ridiculous attitude. There shouldn’t be a queue, football is an industry like every other, yet some get far more favourable treatment when it comes to customers. Why should football clubs settle for that? Every decision should be based on science like we were told right through lockdown 1. If that was the case then football fans would be gradually allowed back into stadia, Edinburgh would be in Tier 2, and non league/lower league clubs with terracing would’ve been allowed numbers back a long time ago.

[lucky]

Not sure fans will be back in grounds anytime soon. The cautious approach by the Scottish Government has failed to deliver better results than anywhere else. It’s like they are against football and alcohol. The decision to keep Edinburgh in tier 3 is baffling and no amount of spin is going to change that. She’s went from looking competent to being no better than Johnston.

[Jones28]

Which, as proven yesterday, was majorly to do with holidays, and very little to do with pubs, restaurants etc like the Government wanted us to believe.

Couldn’t disagree more, basically saying ‘know your place’ to the football industry which does so much for the economics and the wellbeing of our country, allowing clubs that have been around for many years to suffer and potentially go to the wall is a ridiculous attitude. There shouldn’t be a queue, football is an industry like every other, yet some get far more favourable treatment when it comes to customers. Why should football clubs settle for that? Every decision should be based on science like we were told right through lockdown 1. If that was the case then football fans would be gradually allowed back into stadia, Edinburgh would be in Tier 2, and non league/lower league clubs with terracing would’ve been allowed numbers back a long time ago.

Of course there has to be a queue, otherwise how else would it be done? A free-for-all for everyone? Football does have a place, a really important one, but for a certain number of people. Other industries are much more open to the majority of the population.

We aren't going to agree so I'll leave it at that.

[hibbysam]

Of course there has to be a queue, otherwise how else would it be done? A free-for-all for everyone? Football does have a place, a really important one, but for a certain number of people. Other industries are much more open to the majority of the population.

We aren't going to agree so I'll leave it at that.

Industries opening should be based on their setting, the science behind it, the difficulties in opening securely, the likelihood of the virus spreading.

Football stadia is easy to social distance, it is outdoor, open air, clubs have stringent measures in place, and those buying tickets are all accounted for on a database. We should be open at the same time as every other business who are as Covid secure as can be.

Industries such as cinemas and shops who are indoors, less policing in regards to distancing, more opportunity for people to be touching the same surfaces as each other, should be opened after those in the first batch.

How football is behind those industries even though it is far safer than them industries is beyond me, and I’m afraid I’d struggle to have someone be able to reason that to me.

[Moulin Yarns]

Which, as proven yesterday, was majorly to do with holidays, and very little to do with pubs, restaurants etc like the Government wanted us to believe.

Couldn’t disagree more, basically saying ‘know your place’ to the football industry which does so much for the economics and the wellbeing of our country, allowing clubs that have been around for many years to suffer and potentially go to the wall is a ridiculous attitude. There shouldn’t be a queue, football is an industry like every other, yet some get far more favourable treatment when it comes to customers. Why should football clubs settle for that? Every decision should be based on science like we were told right through lockdown 1. If that was the case then football fans would be gradually allowed back into stadia, Edinburgh would be in Tier 2, and non league/lower league clubs with terracing would’ve been allowed numbers back a long time ago.

All of the highlighted comes under the term hospitality, so exactly the reasons for hanging on a bit longer. Not forgetting that the 7 day positivity rate, while it came down at the end of November has started to rise again.

[hibbysam]

All of the highlighted comes under the term hospitality, so exactly the reasons for hanging on a bit longer. Not forgetting that the 7 day positivity rate, while it came down at the end of November has started to rise again.

Summer holidays comes under hospitality? Hospitality has never been the issue, it’s been the excuse for the government. Pubs and restaurants are substantially more of an issue that football stadia, however, yet football is left out while the rest are allowed to welcome customers back.

[Jones28]

Industries opening should be based on their setting, the science behind it, the difficulties in opening securely, the likelihood of the virus spreading.

Football stadia is easy to social distance, it is outdoor, open air, clubs have stringent measures in place, and those buying tickets are all accounted for on a database. We should be open at the same time as every other business who are as Covid secure as can be.

Industries such as cinemas and shops who are indoors, less policing in regards to distancing, more opportunity for people to be touching the same surfaces as each other, should be opened after those in the first batch.

How football is behind those industries even though it is far safer than them industries is beyond me, and I’m afraid I’d struggle to have someone be able to reason that to me.

Which is why I’m not going to try. I don’t disagree with any of the points you raise, but I think that in the case football should wait it’s turn. It’s a global pandemic and nobody is enjoying it, the government has to make decisions that not everyone likes but is doing what it feels is best. It has always had different messages from the UK government and this is another area where opinions diverge.

[Moulin Yarns]

Summer holidays comes under hospitality? Hospitality has never been the issue, it’s been the excuse for the government. Pubs and restaurants are substantially more of an issue that football stadia, however, yet football is left out while the rest are allowed to welcome customers back.

Holidays, as in people travelling to a city, for example, Edinburgh, requires Hotel accomodation, ergo hospitality.

Hospitality has frequently been the issue, Exhibit A: Aberdeen players in pubs and rammed pubs when Scotland were playing.

[hibbysam]

Which is why I’m not going to try. I don’t disagree with any of the points you raise, but I think that in the case football should wait it’s turn. It’s a global pandemic and nobody is enjoying it, the government has to make decisions that not everyone likes but is doing what it feels is best. It has always had different messages from the UK government and this is another area where opinions diverge.

It’s long since waited it’s turn though. Near enough every single other industry is back welcoming customers back, apart from sports, and football in particular.

I’ll repeat what I’ve said many a time, this Saturday Preston play Hawick in the Scottish cup, the stand is closed as players change there, the rest of the ground is a grass field, I can stand on the outside of the perimeter wall and watch the game, I cannot stand on the inside of the perimeter wall and watch the game and pay my £6 or whatever it may be. That’s absurd and killing the clubs, yet I can go and sit inside a cinema and watch an English Premiership game on a big screen.

Maybe football clubs should go up to the parliament building and unleash thousands of footballs like the hospitality industry did with the ice, might then get noticed.

[hibbysam]

Holidays, as in people travelling to a city, for example, Edinburgh, requires Hotel accomodation, ergo hospitality.

Hospitality has frequently been the issue, Exhibit A: Aberdeen players in pubs and rammed pubs when Scotland were playing.

Yeah your right, let’s blame hospitality for people travelling abroad in July and august, bringing the virus back, and the virus subsequently spreading throughout the UK.

Frequently? The pubs during the Scotland game, how many cases came out from that?

[Jones28]

It’s long since waited it’s turn though. Near enough every single other industry is back welcoming customers back, apart from sports, and football in particular.

I’ll repeat what I’ve said many a time, this Saturday Preston play Hawick in the Scottish cup, the stand is closed as players change there, the rest of the ground is a grass field, I can stand on the outside of the perimeter wall and watch the game, I cannot stand on the inside of the perimeter wall and watch the game and pay my £6 or whatever it may be. That’s absurd and killing the clubs, yet I can go and sit inside a cinema and watch an English Premiership game on a big screen.

Maybe football clubs should go up to the parliament building and unleash thousands of footballs like the hospitality industry did with the ice, might then get noticed.

I think if the demand to get back to games was as high as you seem to think it is something like that would have happened already.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yeah your right, let’s blame hospitality for people travelling abroad in July and august, bringing the virus back, and the virus subsequently spreading throughout the UK.

Frequently? The pubs during the Scotland game, how many cases came out from that?

Are you saying there are no hotels in Edinburgh? You were complaining about holidays, people go to Edinburgh for holidays, do they not? I know I do, but haven't been anywhere near the city since August last year.

Answer me this, Do hotels come under Hospitality or not?

FWIW I agree, the idiots that have gone abroad, and continue to go abroad, against all Scottish Government advice and guidance have not helped, and if you look back you will find I advocated a total shutdown of the borders, but that is something we couldn't do without Westminster's say so.

[hibbysam]

Are you saying there are no hotels in Edinburgh? You were complaining about holidays, people go to Edinburgh for holidays, do they not? I know I do, but haven't been anywhere near the city since August last year.

Answer me this, Do hotels come under Hospitality or not?

FWIW I agree, the idiots that have gone abroad, and continue to go abroad, against all Scottish Government advice and guidance have not helped, and if you look back you will find I advocated a total shutdown of the borders, but that is something we couldn't do without Westminster's say so.

You are bringing up Edinburgh though. The holidays that caused the second wave were Scots going abroad to European countries. Not our pubs, hotels or restaurants.

I also wouldn’t call those who went abroad idiots. They were allowed to do so. And after the year many had had, it’s no surprise people wanted to go on holiday, or didn’t want to lose money by cancelling holidays. Correct me if I am wrong, but in July and august there was no guidance regarding not travelling.

[davhibby]

You are bringing up Edinburgh though. The holidays that caused the second wave were Scots going abroad to European countries. Not our pubs, hotels or restaurants.

I also wouldn’t call those who went abroad idiots. They were allowed to do so. And after the year many had had, it’s no surprise people wanted to go on holiday, or didn’t want to lose money by cancelling holidays. Correct me if I am wrong, but in July and august there was no guidance regarding not travelling.

The guidance from the Scottish Gov has been against non essential travel abroad throughout the pandemic.

Anyway, getting the thread back on track, I posted about Aberdeen and Cormack in a similar thread the other day about them keeping going with pointless rubbish to make it look like they’re doing something but it’s all just show. Moaning about not being allowed fans when they just randomly pluck numbers out the sky and aren’t even in the correct level to have fans is just stupid, as is the false equivalences with the English tier system. The effort should be on a proper discussion about getting bigger numbers in at levels 0 and 1

[Moulin Yarns]

The guidance from the Scottish Gov has been against non essential travel abroad throughout the pandemic.

Anyway, getting the thread back on track, I posted about Aberdeen and Cormack in a similar thread the other day about them keeping going with pointless rubbish to make it look like they’re doing something but it’s all just show. Moaning about not being allowed fans when they just randomly pluck numbers out the sky and aren’t even in the correct level to have fans is just stupid, as is the false equivalences with the English tier system. The effort should be on a proper discussion about getting bigger numbers in at levels 0 and 1

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[number9dream]

It does look like there is an element of the government simply not trusting fans to behave or clubs to get it right.
And the clubs have not exactly helped themselves with some high-profile indiscretions & breaches of the protocols.
Football was given special dispensation to get started and was allowed to carry on after the "yellow card" warning from the first minister.
It doesn't help that the minister for sport (and public health & wellbeing) appears to be pretty clueless and has been conspicuous by his absence in the debate.
But the increasingly antagonistic approach taken by Doncaster & Cormack's constant bellyaching in public are definitely not helping either.
I get that there are lots of things more important than football but there should be multiple contingencies in place to get the game back on its feet as quickly as is safely possible. The apparent lack of planning is a worry.

[Col2]

Scot Govt announces £30m funding for Scottish Football. £20m loans for premiership clubs and £10m for lower league clubs*

*Hearts get nothing.

[hibbysam]

The guidance from the Scottish Gov has been against non essential travel abroad throughout the pandemic.

Anyway, getting the thread back on track, I posted about Aberdeen and Cormack in a similar thread the other day about them keeping going with pointless rubbish to make it look like they’re doing something but it’s all just show. Moaning about not being allowed fans when they just randomly pluck numbers out the sky and aren’t even in the correct level to have fans is just stupid, as is the false equivalences with the English tier system. The effort should be on a proper discussion about getting bigger numbers in at levels 0 and 1

What’s false regarding the similarities in tier systems? The only difference in ours is that we have an extra level above and below. Tier 1 and 2 in Scotland are effectively the same as tier 1 and 2 in England, Sturgeon confirmed as much when she announced them so that there wasn’t any confusion, hence why she went 0-4 instead of 1-5. What random numbers have they plucked? There whole point is that looking a couple of hundred miles south has shown that being in tier 2 shouldn’t stop you getting into the football, in the same way it doesn’t stop you going for a pint, going for a scran or going to the cinema, all of which are in far higher risk categories than football stadia.

[Moulin Yarns]

Scot Govt announces £30m funding for Scottish Football. £20m loans for premiership clubs and £10m for lower league clubs*

*Hearts get nothing.

More, sketchy details



The Scottish government has announced a funding package of £55m to help spectator sports through the coronavirus pandemic.
First minister Nicola Sturgeon says £30m will be made available to Scottish football and £20m to rugby union.


Of the £30m for football, £20m will in the form of loans to Scottish Premiership clubs and the remaining £10m in grants for lower league clubs.

Further discussions on the distribution will take place later.



Loans for the top clubs and grants for the lower leagues.

[Ozyhibby]

More, sketchy details



Loans for the top clubs and grants for the lower leagues.

Rugby have done great work here. £20m to share between two clubs and national team. And £15m is in grants.
Football gets £30m to share among 42 clubs plus a national team and only £10m is in grants. The rest needs paid back.
Lobbying government can now be added to all the other things the SFA is useless at.


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[hibbysam]

Rugby have done great work here. £20m to share between two clubs and national team. And £15m is in grants.
Football gets £30m to share among 42 clubs plus a national team and only £10m is in grants. The rest needs paid back.
Lobbying government can now be added to all the other things the SFA is useless at.


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Surely goes beyond professional clubs. Otherwise what’s the point, those that need it the most aren’t the clubs at the top with season ticket holders, but those at a local level who rely heavily on punters through the gate week to week. So the football cake will be sliced more than 42 ways and the rugby cake will be sliced in far more ways than 2.

[ancient hibee]

The two clubs are owned by the SRU so the money will go to the Union and they will decide how to spend it throughout the game.

[AugustaHibs]

Are you saying there are no hotels in Edinburgh? You were complaining about holidays, people go to Edinburgh for holidays, do they not? I know I do, but haven't been anywhere near the city since August last year.

Answer me this, Do hotels come under Hospitality or not?

FWIW I agree, the idiots that have gone abroad, and continue to go abroad, against all Scottish Government advice and guidance have not helped, and if you look back you will find I advocated a total shutdown of the borders, but that is something we couldn't do without Westminster's say so.

I want abroad in July for a week holiday. Had a great time away and felt safer in the canaries than I did at home. There was also no guidance against travel 👍🏻

[CropleyWasGod]

Surely goes beyond professional clubs. Otherwise what’s the point, those that need it the most aren’t the clubs at the top with season ticket holders, but those at a local level who rely heavily on punters through the gate week to week. So the football cake will be sliced more than 42 ways and the rugby cake will be sliced in far more ways than 2.

Also need to take into account the fact that professional outfits are more likely to have insurance in place.

[Moulin Yarns]

I want abroad in July for a week holiday. Had a great time away and felt safer in the canaries than I did at home. There was also no guidance against travel 👍🏻

When did you fly out?

[ancient hibee]

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Also need to take into account the fact that professional outfits are more likely to have insurance in place.

If you’re talking about rugby the SRU owns and controls everything to due with the professional game.