Women’s World Cup

[Alan62]

How can a video replay ruin a tournament?

Because its application has been a joke. A long list of poor (yet influential) calls has already blighted the tournament raising accusations from incompetence to our right cheating.

To call it a ‘video replay’ is disingenuous. It’s an intrusive and thoroughly ineffective diversion that has undermined referees, bewildered fans and players and ruined the rhythm of games.


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[Alan62]

*out right

Bloody autocorrect!


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[MWHIBBIES]

Because its application has been a joke. A long list of poor (yet influential) calls has already blighted the tournament raising accusations from incompetence to our right cheating.

To call it a ‘video replay’ is disingenuous. It’s an intrusive and thoroughly ineffective diversion that has undermined referees, bewildered fans and players and ruined the rhythm of games.


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The referees make the decisions. They decide when to use it or not, what to look at, if a decision needs overturned. The idea is fine, the execution poor at times.

Certainly didn't ruin the last men's world cup, refereeing was much better.

[Forza Fred]

So, who do we think will win it, and who do we want to win it? :greengrin

I think USA will win the tournament.

I would prefer either Spain, England or France to win it.

I want an Australian victory, but honestly think the Matildas are a bit disjointed this tournament.
if you get a chance to watch them, look out for wing back Elie Carpenter who is having a super tournament.

At the risk of sounding a sexist Auld fart...she is a tiger on the park and a Fox off it.

[blackpoolhibs]

How can a video replay ruin a tournament?

I will tell you what its ruined for me, and thats the euphoria of scoring a goal, that pure madness of seeing your team score what could be a winning goal.

My first thought now is, was it a legal goal, are they going to look at it?

I was all for VAR, but not now in any way shape of form.

[BILLYHIBS]

I will tell you what its ruined for me, and thats the euphoria of scoring a goal, that pure madness of seeing your team score what could be a winning goal.

My first thought now is, was it a legal goal, are they going to look at it?

I was all for VAR, but not now in any way shape of form.

Agree BH I find myself thinking but is it a goal?

Spoiling all the natural spontiety of the game

It is even confusing the Bookies as they are reluctant to pay out :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Want Germany to win it but the USA will romp it simply because they have the numbers playing at grass root level.

[Since452]

The Lioness thing is a bit cringe

[Brightside]

The Lioness thing is a bit cringe

Why?

[HappyAsHellas]

Want Germany to win it but the USA will romp it simply because they have the numbers playing at grass root level.

Just 20 million registered players compared to our 10 thousand or so.

[Northernhibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48708705

Good article by Tom English.

[Since452]

Why?

Why call them lionesses? And it's only the English media, even when playing another home nation

[GloryGlory]

Australia are very aggressive and have a real goal scorer up front. They’re my dark horse.

Of course, VAR could still ruin the whole tournament and I think FIFA will continue to pander to the big teams.


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Penalty shoot-outs could take longer than normal plus extra time. :greengrin

Mind you, broadcasters would get pi$$ed off very quickly, if it eats into advert time. :greengrin

[Onion]

I will tell you what its ruined for me, and thats the euphoria of scoring a goal, that pure madness of seeing your team score what could be a winning goal.

My first thought now is, was it a legal goal, are they going to look at it?

I was all for VAR, but not now in any way shape of form.

Fair point. 90+2 at a certain match will remain one of the most euphoric we will ever know. But then, maybe the drama and tension of a VAR review and confirmation of goal would have felt like scoring again ? Personally, don’t think I’d have survived a VAR review that day.

[Brightside]

Why call them lionesses? And it's only the English media, even when playing another home nation

The English FA call them the lionesses and have done for years now. Its great branding and again brings in more young fans to follow the sport. Im not sure why playing other home nations makes any differences.....its linked to the 3 lions on the english shirt obv.

[Alan62]

The referees make the decisions. They decide when to use it or not, what to look at, if a decision needs overturned. The idea is fine, the execution poor at times.

Certainly didn't ruin the last men's world cup, refereeing was much better.

The referees do make the decisions BUT when five or six people with tons of technology at their disposal are basically telling the ref that they've missed something, then it takes a very brave referee to over-rule them.

The standard of officiating at the Women's World Cup is extremely poor and they've shown that they are completely unable to cope with VAR.

[GreenCastle]

Goal technology is fine.

The issue is the time (stop clock) and the fans / people watching at home and most importantly the players not knowing what’s being discussed.

Do it like rugby and that’s the way forward.

Avoid the ref going to look at TV screens etc as that’s rubbish.

[Ronniekirk]

With the scores as they were tonight, any win last night would have taken Scotland through.

Makes the result even harder to take But they went chasing more goals


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[ben johnson]

The English FA call them the lionesses and have done for years now. Its great branding and again brings in more young fans to follow the sport. Im not sure why playing other home nations makes any differences.....its linked to the 3 lions on the english shirt obv.
We few , we happy few , we band of sisters
Jonathan Pearce in full Henry V mode the other night.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I will tell you what its ruined for me, and thats the euphoria of scoring a goal, that pure madness of seeing your team score what could be a winning goal.

My first thought now is, was it a legal goal, are they going to look at it?

I was all for VAR, but not now in any way shape of form.

Causes similar problems for goalscorer bets.

[MWHIBBIES]

I will tell you what its ruined for me, and thats the euphoria of scoring a goal, that pure madness of seeing your team score what could be a winning goal.

My first thought now is, was it a legal goal, are they going to look at it?

I was all for VAR, but not now in any way shape of form.

Doesn't ruin the euphoria of losing an important game to a goal 5 yards offside though. A pretty small % of decisions are actually reviewed, don't see the big deal in making sure it is correct.

[Here’s Lucy!]

I think calling them ‘the Lionesses’ is pretty cool.

The fans who wear Lioness headgear on the other hand....

[BoomtownHibees]

I see they are now not going to be reviewing goalies moving off their line in the World Cup.

Changing the rules mid-way through a tournament is a shocker

[Brightside]

I see they are now not going to be reviewing goalies moving off their line in the World Cup.

Changing the rules mid-way through a tournament is a shocker

Changing the rule half way is mental...

[BoomtownHibees]

Changing the rule half way is mental...

There’s a bit that’s unclear whether it’s penalties during the game or only if it goes to penalties

[The 90+2]

I see they are now not going to be reviewing goalies moving off their line in the World Cup.

Changing the rules mid-way through a tournament is a shocker

It’s helping the tournament before it goes to the knock out stage though?

[weecounty hibby]

I see they are now not going to be reviewing goalies moving off their line in the World Cup.

Changing the rules mid-way through a tournament is a shocker
That is disgraceful. How can they justify a rule change mid tournament. FIF A have lost the plot. What a shambles of an organisation. They almost make the SPL/SEA look competent

[weecounty hibby]

There’s a bit that’s unclear whether it’s penalties during the game or only if it goes to penalties
So what's the difference between a penalty during the game and one in a shoot out?

[BoomtownHibees]

It’s helping the tournament before it goes to the knock out stage though?

Helping fix a problem, agreed, but surely can’t change a rule during it??

[danhibees1875]

Where are you seeing this?

I just read a FIFA statement from 2 hours ago and it sounds like it's all staying the same apart from the bit where the keeper gets a yellow card, that won't happen in the shoot out situation as it's too likely to result in a red card.

[Eyrie]

Where are you seeing this?

I just read a FIFA statement from 2 hours ago and it sounds like it's all staying the same apart from the bit where the keeper gets a yellow card, that won't happen in the shoot out situation as it's too likely to result in a red card.

Which confirms the point being made earlier - a goalkeeper could be sent off as a consequence of moving off his/her line when they save the original penalty and then do so again when saving the re-take. Ridiculous.

VAR would be fine if it was restricted to clear and obvious errors (the Argentina penalty) and not marginal calls (the England penalty).

[Saturday Boy]

I’m just back from the World Cup , and reading this thread has been a bit of a hoot.

Watching the BBC iPlayer, they definitely muted Flower of Scotland.

In Rennes bus loads of French school kids turned up at the stadium with Japanese flags and faces painted and in Paris, loads of school kids with Argentina flags and face paint.

Either both the Japan FA and the Argentina FA were involved in a major Hearts and Minds operation, or something was going on.

Everyone who was in France was talking about it.

It’s been a great tournament for the travelling fans.

€9 for a large beer in Paris was a bit of a shocker though 😂😄

[Mainstandman]

I’m just back from the World Cup , and reading this thread has been a bit of a hoot.

Watching the BBC iPlayer, they definitely muted Flower of Scotland.

In Rennes bus loads of French school kids turned up at the stadium with Japanese flags and faces painted and in Paris, loads of school kids with Argentina flags and face paint.

Either both the Japan FA and the Argentina FA were involved in a major Hearts and Minds operation, or something was going on.

Everyone who was in France was talking about it.

It’s been a great tournament for the travelling fans.

€9 for a large beer in Paris was a bit of a shocker though 😂😄

Lucky you it was 11euro in the cafe beside me! But if a shock from Rennes.A half carafe of red was €9 so went for that! My family and I had a brilliant time, hope you did to.

We fancy Portugal away next year now in the euro qualifiers

[Saturday Boy]

Lucky you it was 11euro in the cafe beside me! But if a shock from Rennes.A half carafe of red was €9 so went for that! My family and I had a brilliant time, hope you did to.

We fancy Portugal away next year now in the euro qualifiers

Oh yes.

Rennes was brilliant. The locals loved the Scotland fans

Unfortunately, it was also a false flag before Paris prices.

Were you daft enough to get caught in the thunderstorm in the march to the stadium on a Wednesday? As someone said, a wet tee shirt contest gone wrong 😂😂

[The 90+2]

Who does everyone now fancy to win it? I liked Holland.

[StevesFamau5]

Who does everyone now fancy to win it? I liked Holland.

Can't see past the Yanks... I do like Germany or Holland but unfortunately I forsee another 'murica win

[The 90+2]

Can't see past the Yanks... I do like Germany or Holland but unfortunately I forsee another 'murica win

Hope not after their actions in the first game.

[Here’s Lucy!]

Who does everyone now fancy to win it? I liked Holland.

I asked the very same question last night!

I think the USA will win it.

I hope they don’t and that it’s one of either France, Spain or England that take the prize.

[StevesFamau5]

Hope not after their actions in the first game.

I don't want them to win... They lack class and dignity, but they seem to be over running everyone. Germany, Holland and potentially England are the only ones that have a chance of stopping them. France are weak, Japan are not at the races and Cameroon are still up and coming.

Basically anyone but America haha

[7-Heaven]

The English FA call them the lionesses and have done for years now. Its great branding and again brings in more young fans to follow the sport. Im not sure why playing other home nations makes any differences.....its linked to the 3 lions on the english shirt obv.

According to QI they're not Lions but Leopards

[Just Jimmy]

England v USA semi final. winner is the over all winner.



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[MWHIBBIES]

Hope not after their actions in the first game.

What actions? Even the Thailand team have said nothing but positive things about the US. These actions are a myth created on the internet.

[Brightside]

I don't want them to win... They lack class and dignity, but they seem to be over running everyone. Germany, Holland and potentially England are the only ones that have a chance of stopping them. France are weak, Japan are not at the races and Cameroon are still up and coming.

Basically anyone but America haha

Rubbish. They are winners. Everything we should be installing in young girls in the sport. Hopefully USA win easy.

[StevesFamau5]

Rubbish. They are winners. Everything we should be installing in young girls in the sport. Hopefully USA win easy.

Rubbish? Haha alright then.

Everything we should be instilling in young woman does not involve classless acts of over celebrations at 10-0. Apart from the Yanks, who else is getting confidence to play football? I doubt many young women in Thailand are thinking hmmm got to get me some of that.

Somehow.... I doubt it.

[MWHIBBIES]

Rubbish? Haha alright then.

Everything we should be instilling in young woman does not involve classless acts of over celebrations at 10-0. Apart from the Yanks, who else is getting confidence to play football? I doubt many young women in Thailand are thinking hmmm got to get me some of that.

Somehow.... I doubt it.
Yes it's rubbish, faux outrage when even the Thailand team seen no problem.

[StevesFamau5]

Yes it's rubbish, faux outrage when even the Thailand team seen no problem.

I'm not outraged... I just think that the Yanks lack class when it comes to the game.

After the 7th or 8th surely the game is done. Could of brought on a couple of newbies maybe or shuffled the pack a bit.. But maybe that's just me.

If Hibs got jumped 13-0 in a game watched by millions, would we all be congratulating and bigging up the team who did that? Genuine question.

[Brightside]

USA are full of class. It’s why it’s the biggest sport for girls in that country. More of this please.

[easty]

Rubbish? Haha alright then.

Everything we should be instilling in young woman does not involve classless acts of over celebrations at 10-0. Apart from the Yanks, who else is getting confidence to play football? I doubt many young women in Thailand are thinking hmmm got to get me some of that.

Somehow.... I doubt it.

It’s the World Cup, no a kickabout at the meadows. Of course they should celebrate their goals.

[danhibees1875]

It’s the World Cup, no a kickabout at the meadows. Of course they should celebrate their goals.

:agree:

Last year in the AFF woman's championship Thailand won 8-0, 11-0, and 8-0 in the space of 4 days so they're no strangers to a big scoreline. It's a competitive game and players are desperate to score as many world cup goals as they can, and why not!

[JimBHibees]

It’s the World Cup, no a kickabout at the meadows. Of course they should celebrate their goals.

Absolutely.

[pontius pilate]

I dont see the problem with the way Morgan celebrated she had just scored 4 goals in her first world cup her countries 10th goal in a major championship. Personally speaking I would love it if the Scottish women went out and put 13 past another country in a major championship. What's not to like about the USA really good footballing side loads of skill power and a real threat in front of goals

[Keith_M]

I hope the US don't win, but not because I have any personal dislike for them. I just find it a bit boring when competitions are constantly won by the usual suspects (e.g. the Williams sisters in tennis, and Celtc here in Scotland).

[Eyrie]

I'm not outraged... I just think that the Yanks lack class when it comes to the game.

After the 7th or 8th surely the game is done. Could of brought on a couple of newbies maybe or shuffled the pack a bit.. But maybe that's just me.

If Hibs got jumped 13-0 in a game watched by millions, would we all be congratulating and bigging up the team who did that? Genuine question.

We won the League Cup 9-0 and the Scottish Cup 8-0 last season. Should we have stopped trying after the fifth or sixth went in because it was clear that neither Celtc nor Motherwell could live with us?

On the other hand everyone was complaining about how poor we were against Malmo, not about them running up the score.

[JimBHibees]

I hope the US don't win, but not because I have any personal dislike for them. I just find it a bit boring when competitions are constantly won by the usual suspects (e.g. the Williams sisters in tennis, and Celtc here in Scotland).

Agree with that always look for non-favourites to win. They are a machine however do think there is a fear/preference for them at FIFA / referee levels as some of the decisions they get seems out of kilter. The refereeing of the Canada / US 2012 Olympics game was nothing short of shameful and the goal they were given in their last game again was a shocker IMO.

Interesting article about Alex Morgan the US striker.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48708949

[MWHIBBIES]

I'm not outraged... I just think that the Yanks lack class when it comes to the game.

After the 7th or 8th surely the game is done. Could of brought on a couple of newbies maybe or shuffled the pack a bit.. But maybe that's just me.

If Hibs got jumped 13-0 in a game watched by millions, would we all be congratulating and bigging up the team who did that? Genuine question.

If Hibs lost 13-0 the last thing I'd care about was the opposition's goal celebrations.

[Sir David Gray]

I'm not outraged... I just think that the Yanks lack class when it comes to the game.

After the 7th or 8th surely the game is done. Could of brought on a couple of newbies maybe or shuffled the pack a bit.. But maybe that's just me.

If Hibs got jumped 13-0 in a game watched by millions, would we all be congratulating and bigging up the team who did that? Genuine question.

There's surely a middle ground between congratulating and bigging up a team that's beaten you 13-0 and calling them a disgrace for scoring 13 goals.

I personally would find it a bit patronising if a team got a certain number of goals ahead with 20 minutes left to play and then decided to ease up and deliberately avoided scoring another goal for the rest of the match.

If a team's capable of winning 13-0 then go for it.

[The dalmeny]

I dont see the problem with the way Morgan celebrated she had just scored 4 goals in her first world cup her countries 10th goal in a major championship. Personally speaking I would love it if the Scottish women went out and put 13 past another country in a major championship. What's not to like about the USA really good footballing side loads of skill power and a real threat in front of goals

If we'd put 13 past Zaire in 74 we'd still be lapping it up

[The dalmeny]

I don't want them to win... They lack class and dignity, but they seem to be over running everyone. Germany, Holland and potentially England are the only ones that have a chance of stopping them. France are weak, Japan are not at the races and Cameroon are still up and coming.

Basically anyone but America haha

Americans are big brash and loud,Scots on the whole aren't. Who are we to moan about how other teams do things. They are winners, I'd like my country to be winners too.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

How did Germany get a VAR pen for that? In the boozer not paying much attention but, looked a shocker.

[The 90+2]

We won the League Cup 9-0 and the Scottish Cup 8-0 last season. Should we have stopped trying after the fifth or sixth went in because it was clear that neither Celtc nor Motherwell could live with us?

On the other hand everyone was complaining about how poor we were against Malmo, not about them running up the score.

There’s winning and there’s classless over celebration at 12-0.

[StevesFamau5]

There’s winning and there’s classless over celebration at 12-0.

This was my point.... But I fear like me it'll be 'rubbished' by others.

On another note, how stunning is the Grenoble stadium and location. Not quite Leith San Siro but boy is it pretty.

[RoYO!]

There’s winning and there’s classless over celebration at 12-0.

I agree. No need. Just doesn’t sit right. Not raging about it. Just my opinion.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

How did Germany get a VAR pen for that? In the boozer not paying much attention but, looked a shocker.

I've not saw another replay, did I get it completely wrong?

[MSK]

I've not saw another replay, did I get it completely wrong?I think it was soft Hutchy, the Nigerian got a bit of the ball first but put studs into the Germans knee, on slow mo replay it looked a painful one but there was no intent by the Nigerian to foul or injure, thats how I saw it anyway, many will prob disagree 😆

[JimBHibees]

This was my point.... But I fear like me it'll be 'rubbished' by others.

On another note, how stunning is the Grenoble stadium and location. Not quite Leith San Siro but boy is it pretty.

Stunning but the shadows make it difficult to see at times.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think it was soft Hutchy, the Nigerian got a bit of the ball first but put studs into the Germans knee, on slow mo replay it looked a painful one but there was no intent by the Nigerian to foul or injure, thats how I saw it anyway, many will prob disagree 😆

It only caught my eye on one screen in the boozer, yet to see it again. I'll probably still get to sleep later whatever happened! 😁

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Stunning but the shadows make it difficult to see at times.

The shadows or Cliff?

[MSK]

It only caught my eye on one screen in the boozer, yet to see it again. I'll probably still get to sleep later whatever happened! 😁Im sure you will 😆 enjoy yer weekend 😆👍

[PatHead]

Made it to the Australian match. Great stadium. Pretty empty though.

[Saturday Boy]

Made it to the Australian match. Great stadium. Pretty empty though.

Good to hear you made the game.

Enjoy the game.

[H18S NX]

I dont see the problem with the way Morgan celebrated she had just scored 4 goals in her first world cup her countries 10th goal in a major championship. Personally speaking I would love it if the Scottish women went out and put 13 past another country in a major championship. What's not to like about the USA really good footballing side loads of skill power and a real threat in front of goals....And nice teeth.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Im sure you will 😆 enjoy yer weekend 😆👍

Cheers 🍻

[GreenCastle]

1-0 Norway after 30 mins gainst Australia.

Good game - end to end.

[hibsbollah]

High quality game this. Best I've seen not involving the US. Cmon the Norvedj

[hibsbollah]

Don't know what the commentators are splaffing about, it hit her chest surely, no pen???

[Ricky Bobby]

Stonewall penalty to Australia.
The ref makes a great initial decision to give it, then the VAR panel review it and ask her to take another look and then the ref changes her mind.
Obviously the VAR panel have put doubt in her mind.
This system is not helping the game at all. Needs binned.

[hibsbollah]

Thank the lord, I thought I was going mad, no pen, var success story for once.

[Jones28]

Thank the lord, I thought I was going mad, no pen, var success story for once.

It was a success in the Germany game too

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

And there we have it in two consecutive posts, before Jones nipped in 🙄

[JohnM1875]

Thank the lord, I thought I was going mad, no pen, var success story for once.

Hit the outside of the top part of her arm I thought, was a good call from the ref.

[JimBHibees]

Stonewall penalty to Australia.
The ref makes a great initial decision to give it, then the VAR panel review it and ask her to take another look and then the ref changes her mind.
Obviously the VAR panel have put doubt in her mind.
This system is not helping the game at all. Needs binned.

Never a pen

[Jones28]

And there we have it in two consecutive posts, before Jones nipped in 🙄

Eh?

[JimBHibees]

What an excellent game of football. Quality from both teams.

[ben johnson]

What an excellent game of football. Quality from both teams.

A lot of teams could learn from the Norwegian women. When on the ball it’s head up looking for team mates and the team mates are working hard to give the player on the ball options. Sounds simple but a lot of players just don’t do it.
Great game to watch.

[Mainstandman]

Oh yes.

Rennes was brilliant. The locals loved the Scotland fans

Unfortunately, it was also a false flag before Paris prices.

Were you daft enough to get caught in the thunderstorm in the march to the stadium on a Wednesday? As someone said, a wet tee shirt contest gone wrong 😂😂

We got a taxi as my folks can’t walk that far. Got there as that rain came down hid in a doorway. Oh what memories

[MWHIBBIES]

Thank the lord, I thought I was going mad, no pen, var success story for once.

VAR is a success far, far more than its a failure.

[Ricky Bobby]

Australia denied two cast iron penalties.

[Sylar]

Ingrid Engen is fabulous :love ya!:

[BoltonHibee]

Australia denied two cast iron penalties.

Yup, the system is severely flawed and a ****ing joke ( as are the referees in this comp)


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[Callum_62]

Australia denied two cast iron penalties.What 2 were that? I seen one that was VARd late in the game and it was never a pen

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[cabbageandribs1875]

astonishing that didn't go in after hitting the post

[GreenCastle]

Looked like a penalty for Australia???

Been a really good game - extra time now.

[Sylar]

I really want this to go to a shootout so we can see carnage unfold.

[The 90+2]

2 class saves from the Aussie goalie. Smell a Norway winner.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Ingrid Engen is fabulous :love ya!:

Picture?

[Sylar]

Picture?

https://www.fotball.no/imagevault/publishedmedia/j1kyhp2ter78lpqm0ero/Ingrid_Syrstad_Engen.jpg

Not just the aesthetics - she's superb on the ball and has really controlled the Norwegian midfield today.

[The dalmeny]

2 class saves from the Aussie goalie. Smell a Norway winner.

Best game so far?

[cabbageandribs1875]

keeper got a touch should have been a corner

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Eh?

2 contrasting opinions, you can't both be right, if two different people are asked to check VAR, who's to say they'll agree?

[Callum_62]

Caroline Graham Hansen is a top player

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[The 90+2]

Best game so far?

Definitely.

[The 90+2]

2 contrasting opinions, you can't both be right, if two different people are asked to check VAR, who's to say they'll agree?

If they don’t agree they ask the ref to look at it?

[Here’s Lucy!]

If they don’t agree they ask the ref to look at it?


Correct.

[Sylar]

Well then.

Let's see how the foot on the line, yellow card for violating rule plays out here.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the girls are getting as vain as the guys for looking up to see if they're on the big screen

[Saturday Boy]

Well then.

Let's see how the foot on the line, yellow card for violating rule plays out here.

They changed the rules yesterday. No yellow card for the keeper.

[Callum_62]

Well then.

Let's see how the foot on the line, yellow card for violating rule plays out here.Bookings are not manditory now

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[Sylar]

Excellent! It had the potential to be a total farce!

[Sylar]

Norway win 4-1 on penalties, with Engen scoring the winner :greengrin

[Callum_62]

Deservedly through. Enjoyable watch

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Deservedly through. Enjoyable watch

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Yes, the better team progressed in the end.

[JimBHibees]

Caroline Graham Hansen is a top player

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Yep absolutely superb

[Forza Fred]

Watching live ar 5am, thought the much loved Matildas were ultimately beaten by a Norwegian side that contained some very impressive players.

Thought the denied penalty was NOT a penalty, but make the point that VAR is used to overturn decisions where a ‘clear and obvious error’ has been made.

The fact that the ref had to look at it about 33 times over a two minute delay suggests that she was unsure, and hence her decision could be considered as not making the ‘clear and obvious error, standard.

Having said that, I thought Norway were the better side on the day and deserved to go through, although I’m sure if it was Darren McGregor got a red card against Hearts for a similar challenge that the Aussie defender did, there would many posts saying ‘we wuz robbed’

The expectations on the Matildas here is that not making the semis is a big disappointment, but hopefully the publicity generated as a result of this tournament will result in increased funding for the women’s game here and it can kick on from here.

[Callum_62]

although I’m sure if it was Darren McGregor got a red card against Hearts for a similar challenge that the Aussie defender did, there would many posts saying ‘we wuz robbed’
.

My initial thought was the keeper was easily getting there ahead of the attacker

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[JimBHibees]

My initial thought was the keeper was easily getting there ahead of the attacker

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Agree meant to be a clear and obvious goal scoring opportunity, was a foul but don't think striker was getting the ball before the keeper therefore a yellow IMO.

[Bristolhibby]

They changed the rules yesterday. No yellow card for the keeper.

Change the laws half way through a tournament.

Farce!

J

[Onion]

Change the laws half way through a tournament.

Farce!

J

Exactly. Would be too much to expect them to have thought through the implications before the tournament started. Making rules up as they go along.

[PatHead]

Well as I mentioned yesterday I managed to get along to the Norway v Australia match yesterday. Glad I went as it was an entertaining match. Very well organised with the fans zone and bus shuttles to the match. Wish we could go for a tournament before it gets too big.

The experience is a bit sanitised though. Didn’t hear the sash once. The American guy doing the announcing was a total bellend. Announcing the score at half time/full time as though you would not know and generally more annoying than the Hearts ****. Might sound minimal but maybe you had to be there.

VAR. Well it takes too long and you don't have a clue what is going on. Unlike the tv you don't see what the ref sees and by the time it is put on the big screen the match is underway and you can't watch it. With the disallowed Australian goal we didn't have a clue what it was disallowed for. If only the assistant had put up her flag when it happened rather than waiting on it being reviewed. It kind of takes away the moment when a celebration should be taking place. Not a fan of var but perhaps that is for another thread.

I had hoped for an Aussie win due to the large following they had, but good luck to Norway in the next round. They played well, hit the woodwork twice and probably shaved it.

Yes I would go given the opportunity again.

[Sir David Gray]

Change the laws half way through a tournament.

Farce!

J

I understand the reasoning behind the change however once a tournament starts, you surely cannot change the rules half way through it!

I've never heard of anything like this before.

[danhibees1875]

I understand the reasoning behind the change however once a tournament starts, you surely cannot change the rules half way through it!

I've never heard of anything like this before.

It's only for penalty shootouts, so there wouldn't have been any shoot outs prior to the tweak to the rules.

Although your point still stands, I think that makes it less of a farce.

[JimBHibees]

I understand the reasoning behind the change however once a tournament starts, you surely cannot change the rules half way through it!

I've never heard of anything like this before.

When you think about it, it is hugely disrespectful to the women's game to be experimenting with the rules at their major event.

[Sir David Gray]

It's only for penalty shootouts, so there wouldn't have been any shoot outs prior to the tweak to the rules.

Although your point still stands, I think that makes it less of a farce.

Yeah I know there hadn't been any shootouts prior to the change in the rules but I just think the principle of changing the rules during the tournament is really poor.

[GreenCastle]

I understand the reasoning behind the change however once a tournament starts, you surely cannot change the rules half way through it!

I've never heard of anything like this before.

The Scottish Women’s Premier league changed the rules half way through last season.

They added the new kick off for example after the summer break.

Also I’ve not known a tournament to change the match ball mid tournament. They have just changed to a new ball for group stages ?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If they don’t agree they ask the ref to look at it?

Cannae do that if you're one of two posters on .net though.

[Eyrie]

If they don’t agree they ask the ref to look at it?

If they don't agree then it's not a clear and obvious error, so the game should continue without a VAR.

[Here’s Lucy!]

Onto today.

England should beat Cameroon relatively comfortably, but the France v Brazil game could go either way.

[BILLYHIBS]

England v Cameroon

Starting now on BBC1

[StevesFamau5]

Naughty elbow by the Cameroon defender.

[The dalmeny]

Naughty elbow by the Cameroon defender.

Taken a dislike to Cameroon

[cabbageandribs1875]

cameroonians put two 4' 1" players over on the same side of the 'wall', i would have just chipped it over them :)

[Moulin Yarns]

England v Cameroon

Starting now on BBC1

I'm on bbc2 for Andy Murray, starting at 17:30

[Hibernia&Alba]

Example there of how VAR can be a great addition: incorrect offside decision overturned. It's all a matter of how it's employed.

Cameroon refusing to accept the VAR decision. That's a new one :greengrin

[Aldo]

Looks like the Cameron ladies are protesting the goal??

Clearly onside from VAR!




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[StevesFamau5]

Taken a dislike to Cameroon

This reaction after the perfectly acceptable goal is embarrassing.

Apparently the coach only spends 2 minutes with the team at half time. Poor form all round

[Aldo]

This reaction after the perfectly acceptable goal is embarrassing.

Apparently the coach only spends 2 minutes with the team at half time. Poor form all round

Listening to HT analysis and reporter in tunnel has indicated that Cameroon have accused Fifa of racism?? WTF


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Listening to HT analysis and reporter in tunnel has indicated that Cameroon have accused Fifa of racism?? WTF


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Ridiculous. They are disgracing themselves here.

[Aldo]

Ridiculous. They are disgracing themselves here.

Didn’t see the start but a flying elbow, a spit and now this.

Hopefully when they see the replays they will see the second goal was clearly onside even though a player (some distance from the actual play itself) was offside but nowhere near the play!




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[The dalmeny]

Didn’t see the start but a flying elbow, a spit and now this.

Hopefully when they see the replays they will see the second goal was clearly onside even though a player (some distance from the actual play itself) was offside but nowhere near the play!




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Dont think the spit was deliberate

[Aldo]

Dont think the spit was deliberate

Ah right! Didn’t see it only heard the discussion about it


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[Hibernia&Alba]

2-1 very nice goal. Taken to VAR.


Ruled offside. They will go radge!

[Aldo]

This is going to be offside


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[cabbageandribs1875]

that was a lovely goal tbf





#i think


nah sorry no way is that offside, wtf happened to giving the attacking team the benefit if forward and defender is level

[Callum_62]

The banter when this is disallowed...

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[BILLYHIBS]

Dearie me!

[Callum_62]

There gonna walk off I reckon

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[Jonnyboy]

Farce. Absolute farce. Her studs offside and she was heading away from goal at the time.

[RyeSloan]

Farce. Absolute farce. Her studs offside and she was heading away from goal at the time.

But offside none the less...

[Callum_62]

What did the commentator mean when he asked "was she deliberately trying to gain an advantage by being offside?"

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[Aldo]

Surely the Cameroon team must know the rules and are aware that VAR is going to be used!




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[Callum_62]

Cameroon miss a sitter

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Cameroon players have lost control here. They clearly feel there is a conspiracy against them, but the decisions have gone to VAR and a ruling made.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Farce. Absolute farce. Her studs offside and she was heading away from goal at the time.


this :agree: i feel for them there

[BILLYHIBS]

Absolute scenes

[cabbageandribs1875]

maybe best not hitting it straight at the keeper :)

[BoomtownHibees]

this :agree: i feel for them there

No sure why. Embarrassing themselves considering every decision was correct

[Jonnyboy]

But offside none the less...

Obviously. Beyond harsh and such decisions will ruin the game as a flowing spectator sport IMO.

[Hibernia&Alba]

3-0 England

[Callum_62]

3-0 from corner altho I think the ball mightve been out before corner given.... [emoji848]

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[RyeSloan]

No sure why. Embarrassing themselves considering every decision was correct

Yup, very amateur scenes. They would have been better served concentrating on their football...oh and marking at a a corner!

[Hibernia&Alba]

I wouldn't be surprised if Cameroon found an excuse to walk off here.

[Lago]

Listening to HT analysis and reporter in tunnel has indicated that Cameroon have accused Fifa of racism?? WTF


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The go to excuse for everything now a days.

[cabbageandribs1875]

cameroon win a foul, surely VAR must look at that

[Aldo]

The go to excuse for everything now a days.

Shame really. They’ve started the second half well but 3rd goal has killed any hopes for me.


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[RyeSloan]

Obviously. Beyond harsh and such decisions will ruin the game as a flowing spectator sport IMO.

Harsh? Don’t think so, unlucky for sure but she was offside, of that there is no doubt.

As for VAR. It’s defo a bit different and the application of it needs to improve but none the less the alternative is that it is more desirable to allow a goal that was actually offside.

But I suppose I quite like the added spice of VAR when I’m watching random games on tv...not quite so sure I’ll be a fan if and when it arrives at ER !

[cabbageandribs1875]

this is twice i've watched a game at this stadium and twice the lower half of the opposite stand is pretty sparsely populated, has the ordinary working man/woman been priced out for that section

[cabbageandribs1875]

ofgs do they really deserve to score :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

this is twice i've watched a game at this stadium and twice the lower half of the opposite stand is pretty sparsely populated, has the ordinary working man/woman been priced out for that section

Perhaps it's just lack of public interest. Rugby is the French national sport; a women's football match between two foreign sides, even in a World Cup, might not be popular.

[Saturday Boy]

this is twice i've watched a game at this stadium and twice the lower half of the opposite stand is pretty sparsely populated, has the ordinary working man/woman been priced out for that section

Tickets are from €9 to €45 for the tournament.

Le Havre is not that big a place and not that many people want to watch England. No matter what the BBC say.

[Jonnyboy]

Harsh? Don’t think so, unlucky for sure but she was offside, of that there is no doubt.

As for VAR. It’s defo a bit different and the application of it needs to improve but none the less the alternative is that it is more desirable to allow a goal that was actually offside.

But I suppose I quite like the added spice of VAR when I’m watching random games on tv...not quite so sure I’ll be a fan if and when it arrives at ER !

There was doubt though as the goal was initially awarded 😁

[cabbageandribs1875]

Perhaps it's just lack of public interest. Rugby is the French national sport; a women's football match between two foreign sides, even in a World Cup, might not be popular.


it just seems to be at this ground though, other grounds have quite a healthy crowd in the stand opposite the cameras, whether i was a fan or a neutral that's the stand i would want to be in, the top half looks ok

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tickets are from €9 to €45 for the tournament.

Le Havre is not that big a place and not that many people want to watch England. No matter what the BBC say.



a fair point made :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

it just seems to be at this ground though, other grounds have quite a healthy crowd in the stand opposite the cameras, whether i was a fan or a neutral that's the stand i would want to be in, the top half looks ok

Where is the game being played? Might it be deep in French rugby territory, where football is least popular?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Where is the game being played? Might it be deep in French rugby territory, where football is least popular?




nah, saturday boy explained why :wink:

[Saturday Boy]

Crowds are interesting.

There was a bigger attendance at the Japan v. Scotland than at the England v. Scotland game. Both just over 13,000.

The Scotland v. Argentina game had over 28,000.

France is outrageously expensive this year. €9 for a large beer in Paris. That’s the same as the cheapest match ticket for the World Cup.

[cabbageandribs1875]

even though pearce demands a penalty england are denied a non-penalty

[Callum_62]

England denied Var pen

In saying that they played on and had a good chance which was ballooned over

Doesn't seem fair to then go back and give them a penalty

Gives the attacking team potentially 2 go's at it

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[Saturday Boy]

VAR is pandering to the tv audience.

The fans at the stadium (and the players) have no idea what is going on.

I’m still angry from Wednesday. Luckily I had a complimentary ticket, or I’d be even more annoyed 😂

[RyeSloan]

There was doubt though as the goal was initially awarded [emoji16]

True true, was a fine finish as well!

Another VAR side effect is the mammoth injury time being added in some games...15 mins in total for this game [emoji2957]

[Glory Lurker]

I’m still angry from Wednesday.

Not so much angry in my case, but pure scunneredness has meant I've not been able to watch a game again until this one, and I only switched it on because I heard there had been a lot of nonsense in the first half.

Feeling now like my WWC life can now go on, and looking forward to this evening's game.

[Saturday Boy]

True true, was a fine finish as well!

Another VAR side effect is the mammoth injury time being added in some games...15 mins in total for this game [emoji2957]

Agreed.

Some games.

[Glory Lurker]

Agreed.

Some games.

Dinnae!!!!! I'm getting scunnered again!!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

that number 7 wants a pagger

[Saturday Boy]

Dinnae!!!!! I'm getting scunnered again!!!

I’ve just thrown out a pair of socks that are indelibly stained after walking through the thunderstorm to the stadium.

Even soaking in Vanish failed to do the trick. Possibly I’m not the domestic goddess I thought I was 😂😂

If a man can be a domestic goddess

[cabbageandribs1875]

that's a red shirly

[RyeSloan]

Absolute nonsense from Cameroon!

No idea if England are any good or not because the game was totally bizarre.

[The 90+2]

Dirty *******s they where.

[Golden Bear]

The English lassies have conducted themselves commendably in the face of the provocation they were up against.

[bringbackbenny]

Jamboesque behaviour from Cameroon

[HappyAsHellas]

If we have got to the stage where we disallow a goal because a players studs were offside then the game's a bogey. If an attacker and defender are level then the advantage is with the attacker. Or are FIFA just making things up as they go along. We have to get rid of VAR, or have some brilliant referees to implement the decisions correctly. Imagine the advantage for the bigot brothers if we get it here?

[Callum_62]

It's interesting actually because the difference between onside and offside can be a millisecond - which might be the difference between when the Var team decide the ball is played

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[Since452]

If we have got to the stage where we disallow a goal because a players studs were offside then the game's a bogey. If an attacker and defender are level then the advantage is with the attacker. Or are FIFA just making things up as they go along. We have to get rid of VAR, or have some brilliant referees to implement the decisions correctly. Imagine the advantage for the bigot brothers if we get it here?

I agree. VAR needs to go before it ruins the game.

[hibsbollah]

I agree. VAR needs to go before it ruins the game.

There were four var delays in the first half alone of that Germany game the other day. It seems like no one in the stadium knows what is going on, decisions are being made in slow motion which affects the context of each decision. Football is not played in slow motion. The balance between achieving perfect accuracy and achieving entertainment is being twisted. Football was actually OK before VAR, I'm sure it was, I remember enjoying it fine well from about the mid seventies onwards.

[HappyAsHellas]

If every game has delays and uncertainty then the fans will leave in their droves. I've loved football all my life and can't get to grips with this related game we're now seeing evolve.

[Hibernia&Alba]

There were four var delays in the first half alone of that Germany game the other day. It seems like no one in the stadium knows what is going on, decisions are being made in slow motion which affects the context of each decision. Football is not played in slow motion. The balance between achieving perfect accuracy and achieving entertainment is being twisted. Football was actually OK before VAR, I'm sure it was, I remember enjoying it fine well from about the mid seventies onwards.

True, but on the other side of the coin there's incorrect big decisions which change games. Overall I think VAR is a good thing, but the implementation has to be tweaked so it doesn't spoil the flow of matches.

[The dalmeny]

Cameroon coach didnt give a flying #### when that tackle went in

[Eyrie]

True, but on the other side of the coin there's incorrect big decisions which change games. Overall I think VAR is a good thing, but the implementation has to be tweaked so it doesn't spoil the flow of matches.

So restrict VAR to clear and obvious errors.

The non-offside call for the Cameroon goal wasn't a blatant error, so the goal should have stood. McNulty was further offside at the Tiny PBS when he went after the ball and squared it for Horgan's first last season.

[Sylar]

Cameroon’s behaviour was an utter disgrace, particularly accusing FIFA of racism during the break. I agree, the offside against them was harsh, but they were rightly 2-0 down at the break.

Seeing 11 angry women behaving like petulant children was laughable. Their number 3 and 7 should have been dismissed.

[Hibby70]

The problem with VAR at the moment is the people using it!

[Hibernia&Alba]

The problem with VAR at the moment is the people using it!

I agree. It could be a tremendous help; it's all about the way it's used.

[BILLYHIBS]

France v Brazil

BBC4

Hang on to your seats!

[Saturday Boy]

Apologies from me. I said that the England game was in Le Havre, that’s the France game.

I’ve not been keeping my wall chart up to date 😂

The England game was played in Valenciennes. The Motherwell of France.

[Glory Lurker]

I’ve just thrown out a pair of socks that are indelibly stained after walking through the thunderstorm to the stadium.

I was sick enough just watching on the telly. If I'd had to endure that in to the bargain I'd be a hermit in a cave just now. You're a stronger man than me!

[Hibernia&Alba]

Apologies from me. I said that the England game was in Le Havre, that’s the France game.

I’ve not been keeping my wall chart up to date 😂

The England game was played in Valenciennes. The Motherwell of France.

It can't be that ugly, though it would explain the low crowd :greengrin

[Saturday Boy]

It can't be that ugly, though it would explain the low crowd :greengrin

Actually, it’s worse. I was trying to be kind because it’s in France and C’est Cool 😎

[Hibernia&Alba]

That was a perfectly good goal for France. No clear and obvious error there, the keeper didn't have the ball under control. VAR once again being used inappropriately.

[hibsbollah]

Another questionable VAR overrule. Clear goal for France as far as I'm concerned.

[BILLYHIBS]

Goal for France

No it’s not!

Oui!

Non!

France 0 v 0 Brazil

Sacre bleu!

[Hibernia&Alba]

Another questionable VAR overrule. Clear goal for France as far as I'm concerned.

One hundred per cent goal.

[Just Jimmy]

this is a total and utter farce. I'm now watching to see how bad the refereeing and VAR decisions can be rather than for football.

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[Callum_62]

Wasn't it handball?

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Wasn't it handball?

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No, clearly off the shoulder.

[Radium]

Thought it came off her arm/ hand which was up in front of her body. New rule about not giving a goal that comes off an attaching players arm?


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[BILLYHIBS]

:top marks That was a goal in the SPFL



:wtf:

[Callum_62]

Thought it came off her arm/ hand which was up in front of her body. New rule about not giving a goal that comes off an attaching players arm?


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[Callum_62]

Crikey some tackle that [emoji51]

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[BILLYHIBS]

Wifie just booked for winning the ball :confused:

[Hibernia&Alba]

French captain, number six, has made my dream team :greengrin:love ya!:

[GreenCastle]

Another end to end game.

Worth a watch if you aren’t already on BBC 4.

[hibsbollah]

Brasil taking liberties here. Ref not in control, a recurring theme.

[Mainstandman]

No way Fifa want France, the hosts to be knocked out. Look out for some wacky decisions second half

[Hibernia&Alba]

Tremedous save from the French keeper to keep it 1-0.

[Callum_62]

1-1

No offside

Var will surely over rule and give this

Yes 1-1

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[RyeSloan]

Perfect example of VAR working well and ensuring a perfectly good goal stands.

[Hibernia&Alba]

1-1

No offside

Var will surely over rule and give this

Yes 1-1

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:agree:

Correct use of VAR; exactly the type of decision it was designed for. That's how it should be done.

[GreenCastle]

:agree:

Correct use of VAR; exactly the type of decision it was designed for. That's how it should be done.

Yup.

Quick and clear but how is the official giving that as offside ?!!

Anyway France really have so much talent but aren’t playing that well.

[Just Jimmy]

VAR isn't the issue. the awful standard of refereeing and linos is.

it's below Sunday league.

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[Saturday Boy]

VAR is the referees dream.

They can continually replay and review things until they make the perfect decision.

It’s all about them. It completely destroys the game for the fans in the stadium.

[The 90+2]

Surprised Brazil holding their own here. Fancy France 3-1 ET.

[The 90+2]

VAR is the referees dream.

They can continually replay and review things until they make the perfect decision.

It’s all about them. It completely destroys the game for the fans in the stadium.

Thing is they now don’t make a decision and then go back to the video guys. Offside, play on, tackle play on etc.

[Callum_62]

2-1 Brazil looked. Offside

Will be disallowed

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[Hibernia&Alba]

VAR is the referees dream.

They can continually replay and review things until they make the perfect decision.

It’s all about them. It completely destroys the game for the fans in the stadium.

Don't they get a big screen replay, so they can see the decision? It requires a screen for fans in the ground to see the review.

[Saturday Boy]

Weird watching this when you think that Scotland beat Brazil 1-0 in April.

A goal made at Hibs, a Lizzie Arnot and Kim Little combo.

[Saturday Boy]

Don't they get a big screen replay, so they can see the decision? It requires a screen for fans in the ground to see the review.

Nope. Everybody just stands there, wondering WTF is going on.

Only the ref and the tv fans get to see what’s happening.

[Hibernia&Alba]

2-1 France. She's a stoater :greengrin

[The 90+2]

Surprised Brazil holding their own here. Fancy France 3-1 ET.

We want 3 s'il vous plait

[The 90+2]

2-1 France. She's a stoater :greengrin

Classic Henry imo.

[Saturday Boy]

I really do love the French away kit.

Made specially for the World Cup, the dots are actually little hexagons, which are often used in France as the map. If you give it a nudge. 🇫🇷

[Twiglet]

What was the free-kick for from the restart?

[cabbageandribs1875]

that's twice today a keeper has had a finger-touch out for a corner, and twice it's not been picked up...we should introduce a video playback system to notice these errors, we could maybe call it VAR or sommit like that

[Hibernia&Alba]

The better team progresed. Well done to France.

[Future17]

Nope. Everybody just stands there, wondering WTF is going on.

Only the ref and the tv fans get to see what’s happening.

If there is a screen in the stadium, the VAR replays are shown on it

[BILLYHIBS]

Spain v USA

kick off 5.00pm

BBC2

[hibsbollah]

Spain v USA

kick off 5.00pm

BBC2

will be 0-6.

[BILLYHIBS]

will be 0-6.

Naw!

VAR

Two marginally offside

0-4

:greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

USA 1 v 0 Spain

[PatHead]

If there is a screen in the stadium, the VAR replays are shown on it

Not in the woman's world Cup.

[BILLYHIBS]

Spain 1 v 1 USA

Game on

[hibsbollah]

1-1 ht. Shock on the cards?

[Just Jimmy]

1-1 ht. Shock on the cards?hopefully but nah, refs and VAR will make sure the favourites go through.

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[BILLYHIBS]

Get LLOYD oan!