Women’s World Cup

[hhibs]

Corsie not sounding too clever here. This wasn't the fault of the officials.


Sorry,you must have watched a different game from me,suggest you are a minority.

[we are hibs]

Its a farce

Its not really though. What part of VAR was wrong tonight? It was a penalty and by the letter of the law it's a retake. VAR got it correct.

[hfc rd]

Its not really though. What part of VAR was wrong tonight? It was a penalty and by the letter of the law it's a retake. VAR got it correct.


Then what about the Japan game? Where was it then?

[SideBurns]

Scotland threw it away but we've been well and truly done in all 3 games by a combination of incredibly bad officiating/ VAR.

The offside decisions in the first half of the Japan game perhaps weren't the most important of those which went against us, but were the worst I've ever seen (with the possible exception of Jordon Forster's disallowed goal at Tynie in 2014).

[Sergey]

Is anyone really bothered with garbage like love island mate?

It's on a par with wifies fitba' - both excruciating viewing.

[Liam6270]

Is anyone really bothered with garbage like love island mate?

Yeah, millions across the nation!

[Hibeesforever]

Hilarious stuff from the women, the goalie was to blame for the second goal...easy tip over, still more successful than our men though by qualifying!

[Sylar]

I agree with Corsie's assessment - referee has to take a significant bit of blame tonight. It was a foul in the build-up to the first goal and the referee didn't allow the player to get onto the park during the substitution.

[yonder1875]

Its not really though. What part of VAR was wrong tonight? It was a penalty and by the letter of the law it's a retake. VAR got it correct.

Ted Hastings, is that you?

[Northernhibee]

I’m just glad the correct added time wasn’t applied as it could have been five or six.

[tonyrougier123]

Needed game management and fresh legs much sooner but ffs you could make just about every penalty ever be retaken if the rule was applied that strictly.

That is the rule going forward,strictly applied to goalkeepers.

[JeMeSouviens]

Totally disagree with the comments about VAR. All it does is give the opportunity for a referee to look again at an incident and change their original decision. Unfortunately for the ladies those decisions went against us, but they were the correct.

I can’t believe the ref didn’t give the pen without var. What was she looking at?!?

[marinello59]

It’s crap anyway, proper football is not far away!

Me me me me me me. Look at me.

[Sir David Gray]

VAR has a place in the game but needs restructured.

There shouldn't be any review of goalkeepers coming off their line at penalties, that should be left to the officials to decide. If it's not obvious to the naked eye then it probably isn't worth bothering about.

[hhibs]

Only 3 players worthy of being good enough, the rest are decidedly average. The defence is brutal and as was said in the 1st game will leak goals butcare always capable of scoring. Kerr was questioned about her tactics and management after the 1st 2 games, she's just not good enough. Maybe need to do what England's done and bring in someone who's a good coach and knows what they're doing.


Yep,she really must go,completely out of her depth.

[Sylar]

It's on a par with wifies fitba' - both excruciating viewing.


Yeah, millions across the nation!

Yet here you both are on a clearly titled thread about the Women's World Cup...commenting.

If you don't care...

[we are hibs]

Then what about the Japan game? Where was it then?

I couldn't tell you. I only watched the last 5 of that game tonight not watched any other game.

[heretoday]

We surrendered the midfield completely in the last quarter. Panic stations. Typical.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Stick to Love Island mate


love island ffs :faf::faf::faf: is that not a girls programme, or sommit like that

[One Day Soon]

Sorry,you must have watched a different game from me,suggest you are a minority.

You seriously think that a 3-0 lead was lost because of bad refereeing? Not poor defending, a bad tackle for the penalty, poor keeping when she got a hand to the shot for the second but didn't push it over, bad and late substitutions and terrible game management? I think you were watching through saltire specs.

[Callum_62]

I’m just glad the correct added time wasn’t applied as it could have been five or six.Since both teams needed to win to have a chance to go through--incredibly harsh on both, espec Argentina the way it was going

Surely the ref must be taken to task on that. U cld lip read her saying 5 mins... Which they played.... But they had about 8 mins var time

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[Real Emerald]

Its not really though. What part of VAR was wrong tonight? It was a penalty and by the letter of the law it's a retake. VAR got it correct.

It looked like the keeper had one heel either touching or level with the line as the utter pish penalty was struck straight at her. To me that is no way a re-take or the games bust.

Having said that, the collapse was just typical Scotland and should never have happened.

[Liam6270]

Me me me me me me. Look at me.

So you can’t have a different opinion about woman’s football? People think it’s great, I think it’s awful and I guarantee I’m not the only one

[Here’s Lucy!]

It’s crap anyway, proper football is not far away!

Audience hunter.

[Bishop Hibee]

Hilarious stuff from the women, the goalie was to blame for the second goal...easy tip over, still more successful than our men though by qualifying!

Why compare the two? The competition to qualify for the mens World Cup is far fiercer. Also, the mens team have qualified on numerous occasions.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That is the rule going forward,strictly applied to goalkeepers.

Completely unfair against keepers, who are put at a huge disadvantage. They have to move fractionally forward when diving to the side. Penalty kicks won't be an even contest.

[jeffers]

It made an absolute farce of the last 10 minutes of this game.

The goalie was about an inch of their line. Every penalty ever saved will be retaken going forward.

But that’s not VAR that’s making the decision, the referee did. All VAR does is look again at incident and determine if the original decision was correct. She was a good bit off her line, it’s not a new rule, the difference is that it is now being enforced. I’m not saying I like the rule, but that’s a different argument.

[marinello59]

So you can’t have a different opinion about woman’s football? People think it’s great, I think it’s awful and I guarantee I’m not the only one

You are simply trolling. Give it a break.

[Bishop Hibee]

But that’s not VAR that’s making the decision, the referee did. All VAR does is look again at incident and determine if the original decision was correct. She was a good bit off her line, it’s not a new rule, the difference is that it is now being enforced. I’m not saying I like the rule, but that’s a different argument.

What’s wrong with the rule?

[B.H.F.C]

Its not really though. What part of VAR was wrong tonight? It was a penalty and by the letter of the law it's a retake. VAR got it correct.

Nobody had a clue what was going on for the last 10 minutes of that game. It’s going to take some of the emotion out of the game. People aren’t going to know when to celebrate or when not.

She was about an inch off her line when she saved that penalty. There is going to be some amount of retakes.

[tonyrougier123]

Its not really though. What part of VAR was wrong tonight? It was a penalty and by the letter of the law it's a retake. VAR got it correct.

The penalty retake was wrong 100%

Its detrimental to the game.that goalie rule is terrible.

[Callum_62]

So you can’t have a different opinion about woman’s football? People think it’s great, I think it’s awful and I guarantee I’m not the only oneWhy anyone would have the urge to come onto a thread specifically about the WWC just to patheticically bash it is beyond me

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[calumhibee1]

But that’s not VAR that’s making the decision, the referee did. All VAR does is look again at incident and determine if the original decision was correct. She was a good bit off her line, it’s not a new rule, the difference is that it is now being enforced. I’m not saying I like the rule, but that’s a different argument.

Yup. VAR isn’t the issue as such, it’s the folk using it. Much in the same way that referees are generally **** at everything else that they’re asked to do.

[Northernhibee]

So you can’t have a different opinion about woman’s football? People think it’s great, I think it’s awful and I guarantee I’m not the only one

How much have you watched like?

[Liam6270]

Yet here you both are on a clearly titled thread about the Women's World Cup...commenting.

If you don't care...

Where does it state you’re only allowed to comment if it’s nothing bad about woman’s football?

[greenlad]

How the heck did the game end at 94mins?

Between var and the 2 pens lost about 8 mins [emoji23]

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Just rewound

Foul leading to VAR review penalty at 85:50
Penalty finally scored at 93:19
Game kickoff circa 93:40

Therefore 8 mins of stoppage time purely for that incident, likely 10 or 11 once normal stoppages added

Farcical that the ref blew at 95:09

[B.H.F.C]

But that’s not VAR that’s making the decision, the referee did. All VAR does is look again at incident and determine if the original decision was correct. She was a good bit off her line, it’s not a new rule, the difference is that it is now being enforced. I’m not saying I like the rule, but that’s a different argument.

The referee didn’t make the decision for the retake. She was told on that one.

She wasn’t a good bit of her line either.

[we are hibs]

Nobody had a clue what was going on for the last 10 minutes of that game. It’s going to take some of the emotion out of the game. People aren’t going to know when to celebrate or when not.

She was about an inch off her line when she saved that penalty. There is going to be some amount of retakes.

If the referee wasn't useless and had awarded the blatant penalty that would have cut the time in half. Was hardly a massive Amount of time between the missed penalty and the retake being ordered either.

[The dalmeny]

Totally disagree with the comments about VAR. All it does is give the opportunity for a referee to look again at an incident and change their original decision. Unfortunately for the ladies those decisions went against us, but they were the correct.

This, VAR is only a rerun, decisions are still only as good as the officials

[One Day Soon]

So you can’t have a different opinion about woman’s football? People think it’s great, I think it’s awful and I guarantee I’m not the only one

Oh well, if you guarantee it that changes everything.

[hfc rd]

Why anyone would have the urge to come onto a thread specifically about the WWC just to patheticically bash it is beyond me

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Attention seeking

[Liam6270]

How much have you watched like?

What do you want? Games? Hours or minutes?

[Northernhibee]

Why anyone would have the urge to come onto a thread specifically about the WWC just to patheticically bash it is beyond me

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Apparently having 22 penises on the pitch improved the quality of football.

Unless it’s Rangers vs Hearts.

[JeMeSouviens]

We surrendered the midfield completely in the last quarter. Panic stations. Typical.

It was just like that 6-6 draw at Motherwell.

[cabbageandribs1875]

You seriously think that a 3-0 lead was lost because of bad refereeing? Not poor defending, a bad tackle for the penalty, poor keeping when she got a hand to the shot for the second but didn't push it over, bad and late substitutions and terrible game management? I think you were watching through saltire specs.



can't disagree with any of that

[The dalmeny]

Oh well, if you guarantee it that changes everything.

You can get a swap if you take it back in 30 days

[we are hibs]

The penalty retake was wrong 100%

Its detrimental to the game.that goalie rule is terrible.

Well, I mean she didn't have a foot on the line so it wasn't wrong.

[Hibs90]

Dunno why nobody is questioning the manager.

Poor tactics first two games, couple with horrendous game management those last twenty minutes.

VAR didn't help but theres no excuse for poor game management when you could see the players were knackered. 100% on Shelly Kerr for me.

[hhibs]

You seriously think that a 3-0 lead was lost because of bad refereeing? Not poor defending, a bad tackle for the penalty, poor keeping when she got a hand to the shot for the second but didn't push it over, bad and late substitutions and terrible game management? I think you were watching through saltire specs.


Nope,players made some awful errors but ref was ,crap ,wrong,umfair,blind or worse, on so may levels and in so much of the game

[Sylar]

Where does it state you’re only allowed to comment if it’s nothing bad about woman’s football?

You posed the question whether anyone was bothered. That's not posing a negative opinion about the game.

If you're not bothered, **** off.

[Biggie]

Its not really though. What part of VAR was wrong tonight? It was a penalty and by the letter of the law it's a retake. VAR got it correct.

The refereeing is a farce....she was an inch or two off the line.....if that's a retake, I will expect almost every pen to be a retake.
Saying that, poor game management and shocking defending sees us out again in true Scottish fashion.

[Here’s Lucy!]

What do you want? Games? Hours or minutes?

Troll counts?

[Northernhibee]

Dunno why nobody is questioning the manager.

Poor tactics first two games, couple with horrendous game management those last twenty minutes.

VAR didn't help but theres no excuse for poor game management when you could see the players were knackered. 100% on Shelly Kerr for me.

Absolutely hopeless. Anyone could see what was happening.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Dunno why nobody is questioning the manager.

Poor tactics first two games, couple with horrendous game management those last twenty minutes.

VAR didn't help but theres no excuse for poor game management when you could see the players were knackered. 100% on Shelly Kerr for me.

A few have, and I agree, she made a complete mess of the last twenty minutes.

[jeffers]

What’s wrong with the rule?

I think it makes it too difficult for a keeper to save a penalty as their natural instinct is to move closer to the ball to effect a save.

[JeMeSouviens]

Dunno why nobody is questioning the manager.

Poor tactics first two games, couple with horrendous game management those last twenty minutes.

VAR didn't help but theres no excuse for poor game management when you could see the players were knackered. 100% on Shelly Kerr for me.

Practically *everybody* is questioning the manager!

[tonyrougier123]

Completely unfair against keepers, who are put at a huge disadvantage. They have to move fractionally forward when diving to the side. Penalty kicks won't be an even contest.

Totally agree.
The ref will read the riot act to a keeper about moving off the line b4 a pen is taken.and var will back up even the slightest movements from them.basically a goalie has little they can do to stop a pen now imo.

[Pretty Boy]

Why anyone would have the urge to come onto a thread specifically about the WWC just to patheticically bash it is beyond me

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Emasculated, insecure men.

Social media has been full of them for weeks. If you don't rate or care about women's football then fine. The need to reinforce it constantly is pathetic.

The irony is many of them throw about words like 'beta' and 'cuck' as though being intimidated by successful women is the mark of the 'alpha male'.

As for Scotland. Threw it away and the manager has to take a huge chunk of the responsibility.

[Hibs90]

A few have, and I agree, she made a complete mess of the last twenty minutes.

The VAR stuff will be the talking point but she should not be exempt from criticism and I don't just mean on here, in the media etc too.

[hfc rd]

I presume we are going to see a number of pens retaken this upcoming season if the GK saves it?

A penalty is going to be like a guaranteed goal.

[Callum_62]

I presume we are going to see a number of pens retaken this upcoming season if the GK saves it?

A penalty is going to be like a guaranteed goal.Rangers are delighted

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[Sylar]

I think it makes it too difficult for a keeper to save a penalty as their natural instinct is to move closer to the ball to effect a save.

If a penalty is hit right in the corner, it's almost impossible to get a jump-off from a standing start. That movement gives the momentum to get low and across. I understand the rule preventing encroachment forward from the line (you shorten the distance to the ball, you make it easier to save it on an angle), but I don't get them not being allowed to start behind the line and move up to it to generate the momentum.

[Sir David Gray]

Dunno why nobody is questioning the manager.

Poor tactics first two games, couple with horrendous game management those last twenty minutes.

VAR didn't help but theres no excuse for poor game management when you could see the players were knackered. 100% on Shelly Kerr for me.

It's certainly a game that could easily cost a manager their job.

[AugustaHibs]

This World Cup has been terrible so far, just marred with poor goalkeeping and even worse refereeing

[dmc1875]

I presume we are going to see a number of pens retaken this upcoming season if the GK saves it?

A penalty is going to be like a guaranteed goal.

Well Joe Lewis is gonna struggle - the guys never been on his line for any penalty he’s ever faced

[Kavinho]

Its not really though. What part of VAR was wrong tonight? It was a penalty and by the letter of the law it's a retake. VAR got it correct.

When you look at it, Jeeeezzz that's seriously harsh. Stopped at the exact moment the ball is struck..

[jeffers]

The referee didn’t make the decision for the retake. She was told on that one.

She wasn’t a good bit of her line either.

You are correct she was told Alexander was off the line. When I saw the replay she looked a few feet off her line, not inches. But even if it was only inches still the correct decision however harsh it seems.

I stand corrected again with the benefit of that freeze frame but she was still off her line so the decision was correct for it to be retaken.

[SideBurns]

So you can’t have a different opinion about woman’s football? People think it’s great, I think it’s awful and I guarantee I’m not the only one

I saw a lot of very good technical play, plenty skill and endeavour from Scotland. But the women's game is undeniably slower and more laborious - and the goalies are too wee (or, if you prefer, the goals are too big). It is simply the difference in physicality.

However, I enjoyed the game - up to a point. It is the officiating that has ultimately ruined the Scotland matches for me.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I presume we are going to see a number of pens retaken this upcoming season if the GK saves it?

A penalty is going to be like a guaranteed goal.

That has to be the danger: any penalty on target will be re-taken until scored, as it's almost impossible not to move slightly forward. Poor mis-use of VAR, in my opinion.

[Here’s Lucy!]

I presume we are going to see a number of pens retaken this upcoming season if the GK saves it?

A penalty is going to be like a guaranteed goal.

A penalty in any Rangers game is an equal guarantee.

They're gonna love this.

[Real Emerald]

When you look at it, Jeeeezzz that's seriously harsh. Stopped at the exact moment the ball is struck..

That’s what I thought. The very moment the ball was struck her heel was either on or over the line. A re-take for that is totally ludicrous.

[calumhibee1]

Emasculated, insecure men.

Social media has been full of them for weeks. If you don't rate or care about women's football then fine. The need to reinforce it constantly is pathetic.

The irony is many of them throw about words like 'beta' and 'cuck' as though being intimidated by successful women is the mark of the 'alpha male'.

As for Scotland. Threw it away and the manager has to take a huge chunk of the responsibility.

I’m not sure about that. People are allowed to criticise the EPL, Champions League, men’s national team, Junior football or whatever else in the men’s game. We’ve probably seen the “proper football” remark in reference to Hibs after every international break when folk are glad to be done with Scotland games.

Just because it’s the women’s game it doesn’t mean it’s exempt from being called crap etc surely?

[PH91]

Corsie not sounding too clever here. This wasn't the fault of the officials.

All the var drama at the end was all annoying but correct. Starting play when a sub is only about a yard on the pitch is a disgrace. I wouldn't be happy if that happened in a game i was playing in.

[Since452]

So you can’t have a different opinion about woman’s football? People think it’s great, I think it’s awful and I guarantee I’m not the only one

It's chronic and the sooner it's over the better. Imo.

[tonyrougier123]

Well, I mean she didn't have a foot on the line so it wasn't wrong.

The rule needs reviewed or reversed then as most ppl who watch football would agree that is a poor penalty saved well.not a foul and yellow card resulting in a retake.

[Callum_62]

It's chronic and the sooner it's over the better. Imo.Why? Just don't watch it

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[Here’s Lucy!]

I’m not sure about that. People are allowed to criticise the EPL, Champions League, men’s national team, Junior football or whatever else in the men’s game. We’ve probably seen the “proper football” remark in reference to Hibs after every international break when folk are glad to be done with Scotland games.

Just because it’s the women’s game it doesn’t mean it’s exempt from being called crap etc surely?

But, in context, it was deliberate this evening.

Deliberate poo stirring. :agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

keepers are going to have to have a nail hammered into one of their feet on the line



but i've thought of a loophole, the keeper should take off one boot at a penalty and lay it on the line then just move about freely, that way she/he can tell the referee they do have a boot on the line

[hfc rd]

That has to be the danger: any penalty on target will be re-taken until scored, as it's almost impossible not to move slightly forward. Poor mis-use of VAR, in my opinion.


From what I remember, VAR was introduced at the last World Cup and across all major leagues in Europe plus is going to be getting implemented into EPL next season for the following:

- Goals
- Penalty Calls
- Potential red cards
- Offsides
- Mistaken Identity

Nothing for checking how far the GK is off her line for a pen that is set to be taken.

[Here’s Lucy!]

It's chronic and the sooner it's over the better. Imo.

There’s an ‘off’ switch.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Why? Just don't watch it

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sounds a bit too simple that

[Here’s Lucy!]

sounds a bit too simple that

The suggestion, or the original comment? :greengrin

[hibby6270]

Going slightly off topic but still on it, if you see what I mean, if VAR is applied as strictly as this on all dubious decisions in the EPL next season - there will be absolute carnage!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Back on topic. The foul was “committed” on 85:50. Ref made her decision on VAR decision (because the guys in the booth with a dozen TV screens bottled it) exactly 3 minutes later at 88:50. It then took another 2 minutes 32 seconds before the first penalty was taken. Then in the aftermath in the 92nd minute, another 1 minute before the retake and the goal scored.

Now, by my addition that adds up to 6 minutes 32 seconds of “wasted/dead time”. Add to that the 6 substitutions at 30 seconds per sub? That’s fully nine and a half minutes minimum that should have been allocated as ‘injury’ time. Yet the ref blows for full time after just 5 minutes having already indicated a minimum of 4 minutes added time.

I’m not using this as an excuse for Scotland relinquishing a 3 goal lead. Merely pointing out that if VAR is to take up this amount of time in certain 50/50 scenarios, the officials HAVE to be reminded of their timekeeping by the VAR officials as well.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's chronic and the sooner it's over the better. Imo.

I just don't agree. Of the games I've seen, the standard has been good, with a couple of teams (USA in particular) being excellent. We must remember professional women's football is very new, meaning the standard will now improve significantly in a short time. Give it twenty years and I think watching the women's game will be very similar experience to the men's.

[calumhibee1]

But, in context, it was deliberate this evening.

Deliberate poo stirring. :agree:

Only because people are so desperate to allow their poo to be stirred when it comes to the women’s World Cup.

It’s fair game to be criticised in the exact same way as any of the men’s tournaments are surely? The idea that you can happily slate any aspect of men’s football but if you do it in reference to the women’s game that you’re nothing but a sad attention seeking little man doesn’t really add up. Maybe they just think it’s ***** and want to point that out in the same way that numerous posters get to do when discussing the men’s game?

[Hibee Mac]

Nobody had a clue what was going on for the last 10 minutes of that game. It’s going to take some of the emotion out of the game. People aren’t going to know when to celebrate or when not.

She was about an inch off her line when she saved that penalty. There is going to be some amount of retakes.

This is bang on the key issue with VAR. We've all grown up to love the game the way it is, we know the decisions within seconds, right or wrong. 95% of the time they're right and if they're wrong it's usually touch and go/opinions anyway.

Do we really want to strive towards 100% perfection of refereeing at the expense of the flow and gratification of the game we all love?

What's one of the best feelings in football? When you score. You glance at the linesman, maybe look at the ref and there you go 2 seconds later freedom to celebrate to your heart's content. Instead with VAR, why bother celebrating because it's in the back of your mind that it might be disallowed because someone's toenail was technically offside in the build up 30 seconds beforehand. If it ain't broke don't fix it, VAR will ruin the game we all know and love.

[JimBHibees]

Emasculated, insecure men.

Social media has been full of them for weeks. If you don't rate or care about women's football then fine. The need to reinforce it constantly is pathetic.

The irony is many of them throw about words like 'beta' and 'cuck' as though being intimidated by successful women is the mark of the 'alpha male'.

As for Scotland. Threw it away and the manager has to take a huge chunk of the responsibility.

Why what did she do that was so wrong. Correctly imo subbed the right back, free kick for first goal unfortunate own goal for second poor attempt at tackle for third. Team played some brilliant stuff but yes could have done better but surely that is the players not the manager. About 10 minutes of the game not played. If I was Scotland I would want the unplayed time replayed.

[tonyrougier123]

From what I remember, VAR was introduced at the last World Cup and across all major leagues in Europe plus is going to be getting implemented into EPL next season for the following:

- Goals
- Penalty Calls
- Potential red cards
- Offsides
- Mistaken Identity

Nothing for checking how far the GK is off her line for a pen that is set to be taken.
It is bud they are cracking down on goalies moving off ther line,they will be addressed about it b4 its taken.and yellow carded if they do so.inforced from this competition.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The suggestion, or the original comment? :greengrin



the former :wink: i can't understand someone putting themselves through so much pain by watching something they clearly don't like, there's literally hundreds of different TV channels...including ones for the weather etc etc, watch that instead :agree: easy

[dmc1875]

Why what did she do that was so wrong. Correctly imo subbed the right back, free kick for first goal unfortunate own goal for second poor attempt at tackle for third. Team played some brilliant stuff but yes could have done better but surely that is the players not the manager. About 10 minutes of the game not played. If I was Scotland I would want the unplayed time replayed.

The manager set the team up wrong against England - fixed it in the second half.

She set them up totally wrong against Japan as well.

She definitely takes some blame .

[marinello59]

Only because people are so desperate to allow their poo to be stirred when it comes to the women’s World Cup.

It’s fair game to be criticised in the exact same way as any of the men’s tournaments are surely? The idea that you can happily slate any aspect of men’s football but if you do it in reference to the women’s game that you’re a sad attention seeking little man doesn’t really add up.

There’s a difference between arguing that a tournament simply isn’t very good and merely posting ‘who cares’ on a thread where a great deal of people obviously do care. That’s trolling.

[Here’s Lucy!]

Only because people are so desperate to allow their poo to be stirred when it comes to the women’s World Cup.

It’s fair game to be criticised in the exact same way as any of the men’s tournaments are surely? The idea that you can happily slate any aspect of men’s football but if you do it in reference to the women’s game that you’re a sad attention seeking little man doesn’t really add up.


You may be right here, Calum.

But, imho this was a trolling exercise to get bites and, unfortunately bites were taken. I made the same error in reacting and wish I’d held my tongue.

[PH91]

Only because people are so desperate to allow their poo to be stirred when it comes to the women’s World Cup.

It’s fair game to be criticised in the exact same way as any of the men’s tournaments are surely? The idea that you can happily slate any aspect of men’s football but if you do it in reference to the women’s game that you’re nothing but a sad attention seeking little man doesn’t really add up. Maybe they just think it’s ***** and want to point that out in the same way that numerous posters get to do when discussing the men’s game?

I would agree if posters were "slating" as they do the mens game e.g. that team were poor, so and so had a terrible game etc. Coming on and simply stating that the entire womens game is cr*p is not the same and it is pathetic.

[Eyrie]

Frustrating outcome to the game with Scotland throwing away a three goal lead.

The VAR was a farce. How on earth can it take so long to tell the refer to take another look at the incident, particularly when it was a stonewaller? And I agree with those criticising the ref for not adding on time for the delay caused by VAR.

[HoboHarry]

When I was wee the rule was the goalie couldn't move and had to be on the line. It's nothing new, it's the implementation (or failure to implement) of the rules that will cause grief next season.....

[Here’s Lucy!]

There’s a difference between arguing that a tournament simply isn’t very good and merely posting ‘who cares’ on a thread where a great deal of people obviously do care. That’s trolling.

That’s what I have just tried to say in my response to Calum.

You've just said it better than me!

[jeffers]

Going slightly off topic but still on it, if you see what I mean, if VAR is applied as strictly as this on all dubious decisions in the EPL next season - there will be absolute carnage!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Back on topic. The foul was “committed” on 85:50. Ref made her decision on VAR decision (because the guys in the booth with a dozen TV screens bottled it) exactly 3 minutes later at 88:50. It then took another 2 minutes 32 seconds before the first penalty was taken. Then in the aftermath in the 92nd minute, another 1 minute before the retake and the goal scored.

Now, by my addition that adds up to 6 minutes 32 seconds of “wasted/dead time”. Add to that the 6 substitutions at 30 seconds per sub? That’s fully nine and a half minutes minimum that should have been allocated as ‘injury’ time. Yet the ref blows for full time after just 5 minutes having already indicated a minimum of 4 minutes added time.

I’m not using this as an excuse for Scotland relinquishing a 3 goal lead. Merely pointing out that if VAR is to take up this amount of time in certain 50/50 scenarios, the officials HAVE to be reminded of their timekeeping by the VAR officials as well.

Is timekeeping not the sole responsibility of the referee ? In which she f’d up badly.

I disagree re the guys in the booth bottling it though it’s not for them to award a penalty but to advise the referee the incident is worth looking at again.

[Northernhibee]

You may be right here, Calum.

But, imho this was a trolling exercise to get bites and, unfortunately bites were taken. I made the same error in reacting and wish I’d held my tongue.

Nah, I’ll always happily react to that sort of thing. If someone’s greatest achievement or qualification in life is their ***** then what a sad, sad life.

[Eyrie]

I would agree if posters were "slating" as they do the mens game e.g. that team were poor, so and so had a terrible game etc. Coming on and simply stating that the entire womens game is cr*p is not the same and it is pathetic.

Agreed.

[The Baldmans Comb]

The Scotland manager just froze and it was brutal to watch.

3:0 up and twenty minutes to go and you withdraw into your defensive shape, bring on fresh legs earlier than the 86th minute, double up your holding midfielders and time manage the game by hitting long into the corners and kill time as you still have a huge cushion.

A brutally inept manager was completely found out in this tournament by her negative tactics understandably v England but never against Japan and when serious questions were asked in the final game she didn't know what to do either through not pre planning or more likely unable to think clearly under pressure.

[hibby6270]

It is bud they are cracking down on goalies moving off ther line,they will be addressed about it b4 its taken.and yellow carded if they do so.inforced from this competition.

And I suppose ‘goalie of the line’ is still part of the whole ‘taking a penalty’ process and would be covered under the ‘penalty calls’ aspect. Might be harsh but if that’s what we’ve got to get used to better change our way of viewing a game - whether VAR is involved or not.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Why what did she do that was so wrong. Correctly imo subbed the right back, free kick for first goal unfortunate own goal for second poor attempt at tackle for third. Team played some brilliant stuff but yes could have done better but surely that is the players not the manager. About 10 minutes of the game not played. If I was Scotland I would want the unplayed time replayed.



the lassie smith was leaving acres of space down her side, her attempt at a clearance for the 2nd was just simply awful, the manager still didn't see the need to take off a player who's positional sense was all over the place and had cost us two goals, i have a lot of time for shelly kerr but if she can't notice that something like that is happening time and again then maybe she will have learned something from this game as well, we all saw it coming..she didn't

[Here’s Lucy!]

Nah, I’ll always happily react to that sort of thing. If someone’s greatest achievement or qualification in life is their ***** then what a sad, sad life.


Well, there is that!

[norhfc]

I actually thought she moved off her line for the 2nd pen, should that have been retaken as well, oh wait she scored so maybe not, I’m confused.

[calumhibee1]

I would agree if posters were "slating" as they do the mens game e.g. that team were poor, so and so had a terrible game etc. Coming on and simply stating that the entire womens game is cr*p is not the same and it is pathetic.

It does happen with men’s football aswell though, especially with internationals.

Next time Scotland’s men’s team play have a look at the thread when we inevitably disappoint everyone and numerous people come on and say “glad that’s over, international football is *****, back to the real stuff on Saturday” or something along those lines. There won’t be any more meat on the bones of the comment. It’ll have no justification to it. Nobody will bat an eyelid, plenty folk will probably even agree and the poster(s) certainly won’t be declared insecure little boys or whatever else.

[Eyrie]

I actually thought she moved off her line for the 2nd pen, should that have been retaken as well, oh wait she scored so maybe not, I’m confused.

It's an automatic yellow card for moving forward early, so if that was the case and Alexander made the save then in theory she'd have been sent off.

That new rule needs thrown out already.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The yellow card against the keeper for encroachment will be another can of worms. A lot of keepers are going to be sent off this way, completely altering the complexion of matches.

[hibby6270]

Is timekeeping not the sole responsibility of the referee ? In which she f’d up badly.

I disagree re the guys in the booth bottling it though it’s not for them to award a penalty but to advise the referee the incident is worth looking at again.

I guess in a way I don’t disagree with you. Maybe I should say why bother having 4 or 5 men/women looking at it if the ultimate decision is down to the on-field ref? I know, I know, it’s to try and keep the game flowing, blah, blah.

Until now I’ve been in agreement with VAR in principle but what we saw tonight was farcical.

[MWHIBBIES]

This is my favourite thread ever on here. Remember that nonsense about VAR removing talking points and drama? It's bad referees and bad rules causing this, not a ****ing video replay :faf:

[Pretty Boy]

I’m not sure about that. People are allowed to criticise the EPL, Champions League, men’s national team, Junior football or whatever else in the men’s game. We’ve probably seen the “proper football” remark in reference to Hibs after every international break when folk are glad to be done with Scotland games.

Just because it’s the women’s game it doesn’t mean it’s exempt from being called crap etc surely?

I think it's been covered but there is a huge difference between criticising and individual player, game, team or league and the very vocal dismissal of the womens game as a whole.

Whether people like it or not the women's game isn't going anywhere. Grassroots participation is at an all time high, big clubs are investing heavily in their women's teams and a part of that is the increased media coverage. It may not be next season or even a decade from now but women's football will be big business and the various networks are positioning themselves now to grab a piece of it.

If there is criticism about elements of the game then I have no issue with it. However the 'no one cares', 'she looks like a man', 'an under 9s team could beat this lot' attitude that seems prevalent on social as a reaction the the increased coverage of the game deserves to be described exactly as I did previously.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I actually thought she moved off her line for the 2nd pen, should that have been retaken as well, oh wait she scored so maybe not, I’m confused.




there's a good argument for not letting france take that 2nd penalty the other night, the keeper didn't make a save by taking both feet off the line, the player missed altogether, this having one foot on the line is absolutely farcical

[Mantis Toboggan]

As noted earlier there is a still showing the goalies foot pretty much on the line when the ball is kicked, so how they could give that is a mystery

[madhatter]

I think VAR is showing how corrupt football is. I'd like to know the stats on VAR usage favouring big nations (favourites and larger countries) vs those that get called in favour the smaller nations.

We had 2 penalty claims completely ignored against Japan. One of them an obvious penalty.

They wanted this game to end as a draw, they wanted Scotland and Argentina to go home so the game was halted well before it should have. Penalty fiasco lasted at least 6 minutes and lucky if 2 additional was added after you include the subs. Mentioning subs, I cannot fathom how a freekick was allowed to be taken immediately after our sub enters the pitch.

VAR can only work if you get AI to perform the checks. Human involvement makes it pointless, extra officials and video replays don't stop corruption.

Clear and obvious mistakes...my erse.

[Eyrie]

As noted earlier there is a still showing the goalies foot pretty much on the line when the ball is kicked, so how they could give that is a mystery

VAR is meant to be for obvious errors like the penalty itself, not marginal decisions like that.

[calumhibee1]

I think it's been covered but there is a huge difference between criticising and individual player, game, team or league and the very vocal dismissal of the womens game as a whole.

Whether people like it or not the women's game isn't going anywhere. Grassroots participation is at an all time high, big clubs are investing heavily in their women's teams and a part of that is the increased media coverage. It may not be next season or even a decade from now but women's football will be big business and the various networks are positioning themselves now to grab a piece of it.

If there is criticism about elements of the game then I have no issue with it. However the 'no one cares', 'she looks like a man', 'an under 9s team could beat this lot' attitude that seems prevalent on social as a reaction the the increased coverage of the game deserves to be described exactly as I did previously.

It’s only massively different if you want to be offended at someone calling women’s football crap. People call the Champions League crap as a whole, men’s international football crap as a whole, Scottish football crap as a whole. Every league/competition in men’s football probably has people on here declaring that it’s crap - not one specific team, player or game, just the whole thing. International men’s football is by a mile the biggest example of this. Every international break we see “who cares” or “bring on the real football” posts. Yet nobody gets worked up about that.

It’s not a huge difference saying it about the women’s game unless you just want to get upset at the fact that folk are criticising it.

[jeffers]

I guess in a way I don’t disagree with you. Maybe I should say why bother having 4 or 5 men/women looking at it if the ultimate decision is down to the on-field ref? I know, I know, it’s to try and keep the game flowing, blah, blah.

Until now I’ve been in agreement with VAR in principle but what we saw tonight was farcical.

I "think" the logic is that they can be looking at different angles/cameras at the same time and are more quickly able to say if an incident is worth the ref having another look. It's not too dissimilar to a linesman saying to a referee I think that was a foul and the referee over ruling him.

Again I don't think VAR did anything wrong, the fault lies with the referee in not playing the additional time.

[Hibernia&Alba]

As noted earlier there is a still showing the goalies foot pretty much on the line when the ball is kicked, so how they could give that is a mystery

Yes, it was nonsense. Using VAR like that must be re-considered; it's going to cause terrible problems. There needs to be clarification on how VAR is going to be used.

[SideBurns]

I think it's been covered but there is a huge difference between criticising and individual player, game, team or league and the very vocal dismissal of the womens game as a whole.

Whether people like it or not the women's game isn't going anywhere. Grassroots participation is at an all time high, big clubs are investing heavily in their women's teams and a part of that is the increased media coverage. It may not be next season or even a decade from now but women's football will be big business and the various networks are positioning themselves now to grab a piece of it.

If there is criticism about elements of the game then I have no issue with it. However the 'no one cares', 'she looks like a man', 'an under 9s team could beat this lot' attitude that seems prevalent on social as a reaction the the increased coverage of the game deserves to be described exactly as I did previously.

I agree with all that; the women's game is obviously gaining in popularity and the quality is improving. It needs to be judged on its own merits - there's little point watching it if the sole purpose is to compare it to men's football, as it is and will remain light years behind. Try to enjoy it for what it is, or don't bother watching at all.

I just find it sad that the biggest showpiece it has ever had might end up being remembered for some incredibly bad officiating and VAR rather than an appreciation of any technical advancements made. Even to look at the penalty tonight in isolation - how did the ref not give it right away? And then waste several minutes looking at a screen from a hundred angles?? It was a stonewaller!

[Hibrandenburg]

A heroic exit and goalkeeping errors. Sounds all too familiar.

[Ozymandias]

Going slightly off topic but still on it, if you see what I mean, if VAR is applied as strictly as this on all dubious decisions in the EPL next season - there will be absolute carnage!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Back on topic. The foul was “committed” on 85:50. Ref made her decision on VAR decision (because the guys in the booth with a dozen TV screens bottled it) exactly 3 minutes later at 88:50. It then took another 2 minutes 32 seconds before the first penalty was taken. Then in the aftermath in the 92nd minute, another 1 minute before the retake and the goal scored.

Now, by my addition that adds up to 6 minutes 32 seconds of “wasted/dead time”. Add to that the 6 substitutions at 30 seconds per sub? That’s fully nine and a half minutes minimum that should have been allocated as ‘injury’ time. Yet the ref blows for full time after just 5 minutes having already indicated a minimum of 4 minutes added time.

I’m not using this as an excuse for Scotland relinquishing a 3 goal lead. Merely pointing out that if VAR is to take up this amount of time in certain 50/50 scenarios, the officials HAVE to be reminded of their timekeeping by the VAR officials as well.

Not quite. Any time after the 90 minutes are up don't count towards stoppage time. if there's 30 seconds to go then a ten minute stop, when the game restarts there is still only 30 seconds to play, not ten minutes.
if the ref had decided no stoppage time prior to the penalty carnage, then she was about right with 4 minutes added - the time between the penalty award and 90 mins. (I think that was wrong though as time should have been added for subs, but not sure the latest of that rule/guidance).

[GibbytheHibby2]

alexander you utter fool of a woman, she warned her tae

Get a grip

[madhatter]

I "think" the logic is that they can be looking at different angles/cameras at the same time and are more quickly able to say if an incident is worth the ref having another look. It's not too dissimilar to a linesman saying to a referee I think that was a foul and the referee over ruling him.

Again I don't think VAR did anything wrong, the fault lies with the referee in not playing the additional time.

I agree with your interpretation for this match but what happened to VAR when Scotland were playing Japan? Games done as far as I can see... Corruption is rife. No added time in this game because they are happy for Scotland and Argentina to be knocked out. No penalties for Scotland against Japan. A weak penalty awarded to England against Scotland...

Seeding isn't enough anymore, they want to influence games and make sure certain teams progress. If I didn't enjoy football as a sport I'd give up on it tbh, money has destroyed it.

We complained about refereeing standards, how does having a incompetent/corruptible fool looking at a tv screen in a studio going to improve that?

[The 90+2]

The goalie is utter pap. Own fault.

God knows how there wasn’t any additional time mind you.

[madhatter]

The goalie is utter pap. Own fault.

God knows how there wasn’t any additional time mind you.

God knows why we never got any penalty decisions against Japan either...

[hibsbollah]

I think it's been covered but there is a huge difference between criticising and individual player, game, team or league and the very vocal dismissal of the womens game as a whole.

Whether people like it or not the women's game isn't going anywhere. Grassroots participation is at an all time high, big clubs are investing heavily in their women's teams and a part of that is the increased media coverage. It may not be next season or even a decade from now but women's football will be big business and the various networks are positioning themselves now to grab a piece of it.

If there is criticism about elements of the game then I have no issue with it. However the 'no one cares', 'she looks like a man', 'an under 9s team could beat this lot' attitude that seems prevalent on social as a reaction the the increased coverage of the game deserves to be described exactly as I did previously.

:top marks

[cabbageandribs1875]

Get a grip


awk ok, but only because you say so

[Ozymandias]

The goalie is utter pap. Own fault.

God knows how there wasn’t any additional time mind you.

If you ignore the save from the penalty that had a marginal VAR call over-turning it, and the excellent save in the first half, and the somewhat unlucky deflection for the 2nd, you may have a point. Not a bad keeper at all.

[Glory Lurker]

Did the fourth official even put the board up for amount of injury time?

[jeffers]

I agree with your interpretation for this match but what happened to VAR when Scotland were playing Japan? Games done as far as I can see... Corruption is rife. No added time in this game because they are happy for Scotland and Argentina to be knocked out. No penalties for Scotland against Japan. A weak penalty awarded to England against Scotland...

Seeding isn't enough anymore, they want to influence games and make sure certain teams progress. If I didn't enjoy football as a sport I'd give up on it tbh, money has destroyed it.

We complained about refereeing standards, how does having a incompetent/corruptible fool looking at a tv screen in a studio going to improve that?

I honestly cannot comment on corruption, certainly in relation to this world cup. I don't know why VAR wasn't used against Japan, but then all I would say is in games where they have a former referee giving his verdict on a decision I don't always agree with what they say. Ultimately some decisions are subjective.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Scotland head coach Shelley Kerr adds: “People will argue you can’t concede three goals but it does put you under pressure when you concede one. We didn’t deal with the ball around the edge of the box with the second one and obviously the third is a penalty.
“I’m gutted for the players, gutted for the support but I have to say the officiating was really, really poor.
“I can’t really say any more about the decisions. We have been a victim of them in every game. We still have to do better and see the game out but right now it’s a bit raw.”

[Future17]

if the ref had decided no stoppage time prior to the penalty carnage, then she was about right with 4 minutes added - the time between the penalty award and 90 mins. (I think that was wrong though as time should have been added for subs, but not sure the latest of that rule/guidance).

I'm not quite following you. Are you suggesting the 4 added mins were played?

[hibsbollah]

If you ignore the save from the penalty that had a marginal VAR call over-turning it, and the excellent save in the first half, and the somewhat unlucky deflection for the 2nd, you may have a point. Not a bad keeper at all.

She's had a great tournament. Particularly unlucky with the slightest deflection off her glove off the bar for the second tonight. The penalty rule is broken and i won't criticise a keeper for falling foul of it.

Erin Cuthbert did not deserve to be on the losing side. Heartbreaking.

[H113EE5]

The Scotland manager just froze and it was brutal to watch.

3:0 up and twenty minutes to go and you withdraw into your defensive shape, bring on fresh legs earlier than the 86th minute, double up your holding midfielders and time manage the game by hitting long into the corners and kill time as you still have a huge cushion.

A brutally inept manager was completely found out in this tournament by her negative tactics understandably v England but never against Japan and when serious questions were asked in the final game she didn't know what to do either through not pre planning or more likely unable to think clearly under pressure.

:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:

[Ozymandias]

I'm not quite following you. Are you suggesting the 4 added mins were played?

No, and I've just seen the flaw in my logic... The 4 mins should have been from after the penalty retake, so around the 97 mark. Too late for sums and hacked off at the result... Thanks for the correction!!:greengrin

[hibby6270]

Not quite. Any time after the 90 minutes are up don't count towards stoppage time. if there's 30 seconds to go then a ten minute stop, when the game restarts there is still only 30 seconds to play, not ten minutes.
if the ref had decided no stoppage time prior to the penalty carnage, then she was about right with 4 minutes added - the time between the penalty award and 90 mins. (I think that was wrong though as time should have been added for subs, but not sure the latest of that rule/guidance).

Not sure I follow.
So what you’re saying is, the ref had probably advised the 4th official there was to be 4 minutes added time (that’s what came up on the screen clock). The penalty incident occurred just over 1 minute before the 90 minutes was up and all the time faffing about with VAR doesn’t count even though it encroached into the 4 minutes of added time? So, 4 minutes added time plus the 1 minute before the 90 is up means the whistle blows after 5 minutes? Let’s just ignore the 6 minutes 32 seconds making a decision on VAR?

That can’t be right surely. :confused::confused:

EDIT - just seen your reply. Thank goodness I’m not going completely senile in my advancing years. :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Not sure I follow.
So what you’re saying is, the ref had probably advised the 4th official there was to be 4 minutes added time (that’s what came up on the screen clock). The penalty incident occurred just over 1 minute before the 90 minutes was up and all the time faffing about with VAR doesn’t count even though it encroached into the 4 minutes of added time? So, 4 minutes added time plus the 1 minute before the 90 is up means the whistle blows after 5 minutes? Let’s just ignore the 6 minutes 32 seconds making a decision on VAR?

That can’t be right surely. :confused::confused:

For me after the 2nd penalty was taken, Ref should have added at least 7/8 minutes after the 93 played, think she added 2 mins or so

[madhatter]

I honestly cannot comment on corruption, certainly in relation to this world cup. I don't know why VAR wasn't used against Japan, but then all I would say is in games where they have a former referee giving his verdict on a decision I don't always agree with what they say. Ultimately some decisions are subjective.

Nothing subjective about the Japan handball. How that never reached the referee going over for their own personal video review suggests corruption for me. Add to that the Thailand handball which is another shocker, arm raised in an unnatural position but doesn't move towards the ball, and opponents didn't even claim for handball. Thailand goalkeeper could be slightly off her line when Sweden score the penalty, should that be a re-take if we are enforcing rules to the nth degree? Seems every time the ball has hit a hand its resulted in a penalty except in the Japan game. Maybe I missed more but certainly the trend is favouring the big nations.

[hibby6270]

For me after the 2nd penalty was taken, Ref should have added at least 7/8 minutes after the 93 played, think she added 2 mins or so

You’re absolutely correct. As I said above, the whole thing from point of the initial tackle to the goal eventually being scored took 6 minutes 32 seconds. I sadly rewound and worked out the timings. You can’t just lose 6 minutes 32 seconds in a game. I realise this is probably an extreme example but if time throughout a game is being “lost” due to VAR decisions it MUST be added in the same way as injuries and substitutions. It clearly wasn’t tonight and that’s just not good enough - regardless of the slight bias we may have that it happened to our nation.:rolleyes:

[GreenCastle]

The Scotland manager just froze and it was brutal to watch.

3:0 up and twenty minutes to go and you withdraw into your defensive shape, bring on fresh legs earlier than the 86th minute, double up your holding midfielders and time manage the game by hitting long into the corners and kill time as you still have a huge cushion.

A brutally inept manager was completely found out in this tournament by her negative tactics understandably v England but never against Japan and when serious questions were asked in the final game she didn't know what to do either through not pre planning or more likely unable to think clearly under pressure.

It may not be a popular opinion but I agree.

There has been so much about actually getting to the tournament but the reality is Scotland have finished bottom of the group below Argentina which are a lower ranked team.

Of course I believe and know Women’s football will keep growing but bottom line is that there was an opportunity severely missed.

Create history by winning Scotland’s 1st ever World Cup game.

Then give yourself a great chance to qualify.

Sadly the last 20 mins was a tough tough lesson how not to close out a game.

[cabbageandribs1875]

our very own Jenna Fife is 2 inches taller than Lee Alexander, those two extra inches would have tipped the two goals we lost tonight and v Japan over the bar




inches are important



:)

[jeffers]

Nothing subjective about the Japan handball. How that never reached the referee going over for their own personal video review suggests corruption for me. Add to that the Thailand handball which is another shocker, arm raised in an unnatural position but doesn't move towards the ball, and opponents didn't even claim for handball. Thailand goalkeeper could be slightly off her line when Sweden score the penalty, should that be a re-take if we are enforcing rules to the nth degree? Seems every time the ball has hit a hand its resulted in a penalty except in the Japan game. Maybe I missed more but certainly the trend is favouring the big nations.

The only games I've watched were the three Scotland games, so I cannot comment on anything else. At the time I thought based on the penalty England were awarded then we should have had one against Japan. In saying that I didn't think the penalty for England should have been awarded.

When I say some decisions are subjective I'm meaning an offside is a black or white decision with the ability to freeze frames, as is the decision if a keeper is off their line or not. A decision whether a foul merits a red or yellow card is subjective as is a penalty for handball, or at least it was, I'm struggling to grasp the new criteria.

[madhatter]

The only games I've watched were the three Scotland games, so I cannot comment on anything else. At the time I thought based on the penalty England were awarded then we should have had one against Japan. In saying that I didn't think the penalty for England should have been awarded.

When I say some decisions are subjective I'm meaning an offside is a black or white decision with the ability to freeze frames, as is the decision if a keeper is off their line or not. A decision whether a foul merits a red or yellow card is subjective as is a penalty for handball, or at least it was, I'm struggling to grasp the new criteria.

The new criteria and VAR gives scope for more "debate", nothing else really. England penalty against us was for ball to hand. Sweden's penalty against Thailand was ball to hand. Japan's handball was hand to ball but no penalty was awarded and VAR review clearly ignored it in some way. Baffles me out of those 3, the only one that could be perceived as a deliberate handball is the only one not given.

The integrity of the game is subjective. My perception of it is that the game stinks. This is seeding Mk2. Hope we get goal line technology in Scotland but VAR can get lost. Unless we have AI doing the analysis of these video clips then this will never improve. Too much money and influence. Never seem a match finish in such a strange way, both teams wanted to play on and in terms of play time the game should have went on. The way the game ended to me suggests they wanted the 3-3 so that Scotland and Argentina were going home.

[jeffers]

The new criteria and VAR gives scope for more "debate", nothing else really. England penalty against us was for ball to hand. Sweden's penalty against Thailand was ball to hand. Japan's handball was hand to ball but no penalty was awarded and VAR review clearly ignored it in some way. Baffles me out of those 3, the only one that could be perceived as a deliberate handball is the only one not given.

The integrity of the game is subjective. My perception of it is that the game stinks. This is seeding Mk2. Hope we get goal line technology in Scotland but VAR can get lost. Unless we have AI doing the analysis of these video clips then this will never improve. Too much money and influence. Never seem a match finish in such a strange way, both teams wanted to play on and in terms of play time the game should have went on. The way the game ended to me suggests they wanted the 3-3 so that Scotland and Argentina were going home.

I think in an attempt to improve things they've made the situation worse and I can see it being changed again in a few years.

Tonight I think the referee just lost control at the end and forgot completely about timekeeping, I'm not personally looking at it beyond that.

What I would say about VAR is it's good if you are watching it on tv, but Im beginning to think unless the footage is being played on a large screen in the ground I'm not too sure how I'd feel about it for a game I'm in attendance at.

[Onion]

When I was wee the rule was the goalie couldn't move and had to be on the line. It's nothing new, it's the implementation (or failure to implement) of the rules that will cause grief next season.....

As ever, it’s not the rules that frustrate fans it’s the inconsistent application that drives folk nuts. The retake was a HUGE decision that was almost inevitably going to knock Scotland out and the VAR refs knew that. Problem is we all absolutely know that VAR will not be used as vigilantly as this in all games. If this is how VAR is to be used then fine but it sets a high bar for the future. Scotland chucked it away, but we’re very harshly treated by VAR ( in all 3 games).

[we are hibs]

When you look at it, Jeeeezzz that's seriously harsh. Stopped at the exact moment the ball is struck..


That’s what I thought. The very moment the ball was struck her heel was either on or over the line. A re-take for that is totally ludicrous.

Strange what we can do with camera angles, isn't it? Clearly not on her line and clearly not a "few inches off" either.

22198

[SquashedFrogg]

Strange what we can do with camera angles, isn't it? Clearly not on her line and clearly not a "few inches off" either.

22198

Indeed it is. At this point the ball had been struck so keeper allowed off her line.

[we are hibs]

Indeed it is. At this point the ball had been struck so keeper allowed off her line.

No it hadnt.

[JimBHibees]

You seriously think that a 3-0 lead was lost because of bad refereeing? Not poor defending, a bad tackle for the penalty, poor keeping when she got a hand to the shot for the second but didn't push it over, bad and late substitutions and terrible game management? I think you were watching through saltire specs.

Mixture of both looked a clear foul to Scotland in build up to first goal. Scotlands sub wasn't anywhere near the play and she lets game start think in build up to pen and she really ruined it for both times re the timing as to me a minimum of 5 mins still to play would have been good to watch with both teams trying to score. She also let Argentina off with some shocking challenges. Scotland were royally shafted in Japan game by I think a Kenyan or Ethiopian ref and yesterday get a North Korean one who didn't have a clue.

[JimBHibees]

I just don't agree. Of the games I've seen, the standard has been good, with a couple of teams (USA in particular) being excellent. We must remember professional women's football is very new, meaning the standard will now improve significantly in a short time. Give it twenty years and I think watching the women's game will be very similar experience to the men's.

I agree last nights game was very watchable and some if the passing combination play Scotland did was imo superior to their male counterparts. A mix of standards of course but have enjoyed it in the main and some very good players.

[flash]

The standard of football leaves a lot to be desired but the standard of refereeing is something else.
Why didn't VAR tell the ref last night she had stopped the game about 5 minutes early?

[The dalmeny]

Indeed it is. At this point the ball had been struck so keeper allowed off her line.

Just wait till we get the first shootout. Every missed kick will need reviewed

[JimBHibees]

the lassie smith was leaving acres of space down her side, her attempt at a clearance for the 2nd was just simply awful, the manager still didn't see the need to take off a player who's positional sense was all over the place and had cost us two goals, i have a lot of time for shelly kerr but if she can't notice that something like that is happening time and again then maybe she will have learned something from this game as well, we all saw it coming..she didn't

Wouldn't disagree about Smith thought poor both goals first left the wide player too much space would have been better staying wider and letting player with ball shoot though personally think Scotland should have had a foul in the build up. Her clearance for second was poor and of course ironically the player brought on for her gave away the pen. I think sometimes too easy to say coach should have done this and that when things go pear shaped usually down to players making mistakes. Basically Argentina scored with their only attacks in second half wasn't as if we were under constant pressure, rest of the time looked comfortable.

[JimBHibees]

The standard of football leaves a lot to be desired but the standard of refereeing is something else.
Why didn't VAR tell the ref last night she had stopped the game about 5 minutes early?

Agree how clear and obvious an error can blowing for full time 8 mins early be. :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

I do not normally like singling out individual players for criticism but first half Kirsty Smith looked as though she had never seen a football in her puff and should have been hooked at half time and just got progressively worse

You win together and lose together as a team but the buck stops with the Coach

Poor game management bad luck and poor refereeing has cost us this World Cup

On the bright side Erin Cuthbert is a player heart of a lion and loads of guts and attitude

[JimBHibees]

On the bright side Erin Cuthbert is a player heart of a lion and loads of guts and attitude

Couldn't agree more what a star she is huge talent and heart to match.

[LeithMike]

Scotland's women out-Scotlanded the men last night but I have to say that for a good half hour or more they looked like world beaters. Erin Cuthbert was a real livewire and looked dangerous everytime she had thr ball while Caroline exuded real class. Hard to reconcile how they conspired to lose a 3 goal lead.

On VAR, while it might be getting decisions technically correct, it is removing tolerance and discretion from the game. You have the handball rule now where defenders are going to have to hide their hands behind their backs affecting their ability to defend. Surely GK can come off their line a little - it should only be enforced if it's significant - otherwise their ability to dive is totally restricted.

Contact used to be part of the game with fouls only given if the contact was deemed sufficient to make the player go down. We are now at the point where if VAR spots any contact and the player goes down as a result that it is a foul.

All in all, VAR is making football sterile and a lot more like basketball. Not good for the game and it's going to make rugby a more attractive option to watch.

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[Hibby Bairn]

I wonder how long it will be before the very enjoyable type of football played in a positive, family atmosphere will be infiltrated by much of the stuff on here?

When will we get the first chant of “referee, you’re a ****er” or “Shelley, Shelley, GTF” or someone screaming uncontrollable abuse at our right back, or the goalie?

Or someone pished sitting swearing through the whole game putting off people attending with their wee girl.

Only a matter of time probably. Sadly.

[BILLYHIBS]

Scotland's women out-Scotlanded the men last night but I have to say that for a good half hour or more they looked like world beaters. Erin Cuthbert was a real livewire and looked dangerous everytime she had thr ball while Caroline exuded real class. Hard to reconcile how they conspired to lose a 3 goal lead.

On VAR, while it might be getting decisions technically correct, it is removing tolerance and discretion from the game. You have the handball rule now where defenders are going to have to hide their hands behind their backs affecting their ability to defend. Surely GK can come off their line a little - it should only be enforced if it's significant - otherwise their ability to dive is totally restricted.

Contact used to be part of the game with fouls only given if the contact was deemed sufficient to make the player go down. We are now at the point where if VAR spots any contact and the player goes down as a result that it is a foul.

All in all, VAR is making football sterile and a lot more like basketball. Not good for the game and it's going to make rugby a more attractive option to watch.

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Scottish goggles on but looked to me that the goalie jumped off her line after the kick was taken and saved what was effectively a poor penalty at the second attempt

As others have said the powers that be seem to be conspiring against Scotland

My yoingest who is 23 and has never seen Scotland at a major tournament said to me at the end of the game “Dad it’s sh### being Scottish!”

[Hibernian Verse]

I wonder how long it will be before the very enjoyable type of football played in a positive, family atmosphere will be infiltrated by much of the stuff on here?

When will we get the first chant of “referee, you’re a ****er” or “Shelley, Shelley, GTF” or someone screaming uncontrollable abuse at our right back, or the goalie?

Or someone pished sitting swearing through the whole game putting off people attending with their wee girl.

Only a matter of time probably. Sadly.

In my opinion, that'll not happen anytime soon. It's a friendly atmosphere and will continue to be.

Trying to be careful how I say this, but there is a lot more testosterone (understandably) in the men's game in the stands, on the pitch, the dugouts etc. I'd suggest it's also down to how much someone "cares" about what's in front of them. Last night I was gutted for the team, but this morning I haven't really thought about it apart from a quick discussion with a colleague. If Hibs had been done by VAR, were subject to poor referee time management & had conspired to draw a game they were leading by 3 goals I'd still be fuming.

[Sir David Gray]

The morning after the night before and it all still seems a bit surreal.

I never thought it was possible for Scottish football to go through a more embarrassing experience within a few months of the men's debacle in Kazakhstan but the women have sadly surpassed that last night.

Despite all the plaudits they have rightly received for qualifying in the first place, in order for standards to improve it has to be acknowledged that the way in which they have exited the tournament is totally unacceptable.

No team should be 3-0 up with 15 minutes to go and fail to win the game.

[Brightside]

Its not a VAR issue. At 3-0 you keep it tight and don't keep bombing up the park. Keep the ball and then keep the other team chasing the ball. Dont give it away cheaply. Our play in the first 3rd of the pitch has been poor through the whole campaign. Scotland really need to start coaching defenders from a young age.

[Paisley Hibby]

I wonder how long it will be before the very enjoyable type of football played in a positive, family atmosphere will be infiltrated by much of the stuff on here?

When will we get the first chant of “referee, you’re a ****er” or “Shelley, Shelley, GTF” or someone screaming uncontrollable abuse at our right back, or the goalie?

Or someone pished sitting swearing through the whole game putting off people attending with their wee girl.

Only a matter of time probably. Sadly.
Well said mate. Hope you're wrong though. It's been a breath of fresh air (just let down for us by inept refereeing)

[PatHead]

They should stop the clock when looking at VAR decisions. That was a ridiculous amount of time to take. Maybe just as well they didn't as we would probably have lost!

[Since452]

Didn't see it but the VAR thing seems like a smokescreen for chucking away a 3 goal lead with 15 mins to play.

[Onion]

Didn't see it but the VAR thing seems like a smokescreen for chucking away a 3 goal lead with 15 mins to play.

The VAR thing just compounded the hurt. It took VAR to give the pen, then the pen was so bad it deserved to be saved, and then the retake for a breach that probably made no difference for the pen being saved in the first place.

The final 15 mins of this game is the perfect summary of where Scottish international football has been for a couple of decades :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Surely the most pressing issue is why the Argentinians were in Dark Blue, and not Scotland.

[blackpoolhibs]

Its not a VAR issue. At 3-0 you keep it tight and don't keep bombing up the park. Keep the ball and then keep the other team chasing the ball. Dont give it away cheaply. Our play in the first 3rd of the pitch has been poor through the whole campaign. Scotland really need to start coaching defenders from a young age.

Not often i agree with you on anything to do with womens football, but this is spot on. When 3-0 up, they would try and bring the ball down in the middle of the park when under pressure, when just putting it back from where it came from and keeping their shape was the right thing to do under the circumstances.

Dont get me on to the lack of composure, or lack of awareness of their positioning and runners off the ball, but even by any of our past glorious defeats, this one was right up there.

We do have a couple of very good players for that standard, but for me its not something i will be watching much of in the future until the standard is better than a local parks game on a sunday morning.

[J-C]

Goalkeepers should be punished by retaking the penalty if it's shown that they had a distinct advantage by coming off the line, if it's very negligible like it was in the 2 instances so far then it should be left as a save, they're trying to stop the cheating goalies do but some movement has to happen for the goalie to start their dive towards the ball.

[Brightside]

Not often i agree with you on anything to do with womens football, but this is spot on. When 3-0 up, they would try and bring the ball down in the middle of the park when under pressure, when just putting it back from where it came from and keeping their shape was the right thing to do under the circumstances.

Dont get me on to the lack of composure, or lack of awareness of their positioning and runners off the ball, but even by any of our past glorious defeats, this one was right up there.

We do have a couple of very good players for that standard, but for me its not something i will be watching much of in the future until the standard is better than a local parks game on a sunday morning.

You should get along and watch the u15s National Performance league. Some real talent out there in the girls game. Getting better all the time.

[green day]

The morning after the night before and it all still seems a bit surreal.

I never thought it was possible for Scottish football to go through a more embarrassing experience within a few months of the men's debacle in Kazakhstan but the women have sadly surpassed that last night.

Despite all the plaudits they have rightly received for qualifying in the first place, in order for standards to improve it has to be acknowledged that the way in which they have exited the tournament is totally unacceptable.

No team should be 3-0 up with 15 minutes to go and fail to win the game.

The first Argentina goal was too easy and demonstrated how poor we are defensively and gave them hope. At that point, the management team should have said "we dont need to attack, time to shore up and kill the game", and brought on the defensive subs, packed the midfield and strangled it.

The second goal was a joke from our keeper (and one that no international keeper should lose).

People can bang on about the penalty all they like, but it was a stick on pen and (going by the letter of the rules) it had to be retaken.

Its all very well having pacey wingers and good options up front, but our defence and goalkeeper have been suspect all tournament - I was telling my wife as we watched it that we had to change as soon as we went 3 up.

Kerr should have seen this and changed it - maybe Hope Solo was right with her comments about her tactical naivety in the England match?

[Sylar]

I don't buy that the VAR was any kind of smokescreen. It wasn't solely to blame but it wasn't executed very well last night.

Supposed to review goals - where was the review of the foul on Weir in the build-up to the Argentine's first goal? It's not supposed to review goalkeeper feet position either - that falls on the assistant referee who stands on the same bloody line looking along it. It was a stupid penalty to give away, but VAR cannot possibly be used in the way that it was against goalkeepers last night.

Also, the penalty incident itself. It was undoubtedly a foul, no arguments, but why didn't the referee allow the Scottish player who was coming on as a sub time to get into the game? She restarted the set piece that led to the penalty immediately after the players swapped over. She effectively made it 10 v 11 for that set-piece?

Then the early finish debacle...Jesus.

I think that's the first time I've ever seen North Korean officials - I wonder how many assessment centres they have available to them over there, and what the standards are like in the North Korean league...

[number9dream]

Just wait till we get the first shootout. Every missed kick will need reviewed

And will it be a booking every time? What happens if a goalie is sent off during a shootout?

[green day]

And will it be a booking every time? What happens if a goalie is sent off during a shootout?

I think this is why the rule needs revision.

As it stands, the ref was right with the booking, but keepers move off and around lines all the time - its human nature !

[Brightside]

The squad is heavy with forward players and hardly any DMs and proper defenders. The ones on the bench simply not good enough for this level. Time to go back and rethink the approach.

[BILLYHIBS]

The squad is heavy with forward players and hardly any DMs and proper defenders. The ones on the bench simply not good enough for this level. Time to go back and rethink the approach.
:agree:

I got the feeling the Coach did not trust her bench

Did not make a change until 86 minutes when the team was dead on its feet and on the back foot

[blackpoolhibs]

You should get along and watch the u15s National Performance league. Some real talent out there in the girls game. Getting better all the time.

If the elite of the elite does nothing for me, i think i will wait until such times as the product on show is much better.

[Since452]

The morning after the night before and it all still seems a bit surreal.

I never thought it was possible for Scottish football to go through a more embarrassing experience within a few months of the men's debacle in Kazakhstan but the women have sadly surpassed that last night.

Despite all the plaudits they have rightly received for qualifying in the first place, in order for standards to improve it has to be acknowledged that the way in which they have exited the tournament is totally unacceptable.

No team should be 3-0 up with 15 minutes to go and fail to win the game.

I don't even think Hearts would manage that. Incredibly poor no matter what level it is.

[heretoday]

It was the goalie's fault for coming off the line to save the first pen. If she'd stayed legal she'd have saved it and we'd be through.

Loads of other things were to blame too.

[hibsbollah]

I wonder how long it will be before the very enjoyable type of football played in a positive, family atmosphere will be infiltrated by much of the stuff on here?

When will we get the first chant of “referee, you’re a ****er” or “Shelley, Shelley, GTF” or someone screaming uncontrollable abuse at our right back, or the goalie?

Or someone pished sitting swearing through the whole game putting off people attending with their wee girl.

Only a matter of time probably. Sadly.

I disagree.

There are too many people who like the more positive and supportive vibe you get in the women's game to allow the aggressively torn faces disasters you sometimes see in the men's game (and on this site, sometimes) to spoil it. I see that very clearly just from being on the sidelines at kids football every week.

[Dalianwanda]

Apart from the result I really enjoyed the game last night. Some good skills lots of effort played in a great atmopshere. Thought the refereee let the Argentinians away with an awful lot of terrible challenges & never looked fully confident. Weird to see players just getting up without making a meal of it, it''l never catch on in the mens game.

[CockneyRebel]

As it stands, the ref was right with the booking, but keepers move off and around lines all the time - its human nature ![/QUOTE]<br><br><br><br>


That's not what gets said on here when the Aberdeen goalkeeper gets away with it. If the Aberdeen keeper was in the wrong then so was Lee Alexander last night. It was crap officials that were/are the problem in so many of these WC matches.<br>

[Salisbury Hibby]

I actually thought she moved off her line for the 2nd pen, should that have been retaken as well, oh wait she scored so maybe not, I’m confused.She would have been sent off. Second automatic yellow.

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[GloryGlory]

I haven't watched much of this, but for the gamblers among us, surely you should work out which team FIFA wants to win and bet on a VAR penalty being given to them at some point in the match. It sounds like money for jam. :greengrin

[Future17]

I haven't watched much of this, but for the gamblers among us, surely you should work out which team FIFA wants to win and bet on a VAR penalty being given to them at some point in the match. It sounds like money for jam. :greengrin

Double it with the penalty to be scored, as they'll keep retaking it til it happens. :greengrin

[Ronniekirk]

Goalie was a barely in front of her line- seems very harsh to me.

That's the rules but it's very harsh rule imho

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To be fair to the ref she spent ages showing the goalie the line and maki g it clear what the rule was Whether our keeper understood what the rule is or what ref was saying I don’t know but she moved forward before kick was taken so I wasn’t surprised it was retaken to be honest
But the reality is poor defending cost us all our goals At 3 0 Up they kept going for another which tired them out
At some point the Manager needed to put fresh legs on and tell the players to keep possession and play ball out wide and stretch them but we panicked after losing first and tried to get a fourth The Argentine knew we were going to keep doing that and dragged us into areas where one player was trying to beat three instead of just getting the ball away We heaped pressure on the defence they know it vulnerable
Good open game to watch but lack of-game time management lost us opportunity to progress



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[Cataplana]

Seems to me neither of those teams was going through last night. Wait and see who is in the next round to see who benefits.

Have to say though, why did the manager not bring on substitutes? Goals were due to tiredness as much as anything else. At 3-0, shut the shop.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Its morning time and how is that Scotland manager still in her job ?? Its gets worse and worse the more you think about it.

Its the very basics of the game at 3:0 you don't go chasing more goals (See Argentina goal 1), you tell your attacking midfielders to become holding midfielders to shore up the defence (See Argentina goal 2), you use your substitutes individually to waste time or bring them on individually as fresh legs and not disrupt the team with a far to late double substitution in the 86th minute and you always punt long at every opportunity to your star winger (Cuthbert) who runs down the clock in the corner.

Nothing the manager can do about the dodgy goalie and the brutally average full backs but as manager you use your better players to compensate for these weaknesses and most of all you time manage the last 15 mins when you have a 3 goal advantage..

She froze and panicked as it went at 3:1 then 3:2 and 3:3 was the least the Argentina manager deserved for his amazing decision to sacrifice his best player and the second best player on the pitch (after our winger) for young raw and energetic attacking talent against a tired defence.

[Brightside]

Its morning time and how is that Scotland manager still in her job ?? Its gets worse and worse the more you think about it.

Its the very basics of the game at 3:0 you don't go chasing more goals (See Argentina goal 1), you tell your attacking midfielders to become holding midfielders to shore up the defence (See Argentina goal 2), you use your substitutes individually to waste time or bring them on individually as fresh legs and not disrupt the team with a far to late double substitution in the 86th minute and you always punt long at every opportunity to your star winger (Cuthbert) who runs down the clock in the corner.

Nothing the manager can do about the dodgy goalie and the brutally average full backs but as manager you use your better players to compensate for these weaknesses and most of all you time manage the last 15 mins when you have a 3 goal advantage..

She froze and panicked as it went at 3:1 then 3:2 and 3:3 was the least the Argentina manager deserved for his amazing decision to sacrifice his best player and the second best player on the pitch (after our winger) for young raw and energetic attacking talent against a tired defence.

You wont be surprised to learn that people are hardly beating down the door to take on the job.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Its morning time and how is that Scotland manager still in her job ?? Its gets worse and worse the more you think about it.

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i'm the same, normally results like last night for either hibs or scotland i'm over it by the following day, but last night even before going to my kip i just knew that i was going to be even more p@ssed off today at what happened in those last 15 mins, i spent the last 25 mins of the game screaming at the tv for shelly kerr to either substitute our right back or get a midfielder to start covering in front of her, she was leaving huge gaps over that side of the pitch and could see that causing us problems, the argentine manager also saw it, why did ours not

[Moulin Yarns]

An interesting article about VAR

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/womens_football/women-s-world-cup-var-france-nigeria-penalty-wendie-renard-replay-a8964321.html

[jeffers]

Really surprised at the stick Alexander is getting, I thought she had an excellent tournament and made a number of great stops. It’s easy to say she should have stayed on the line for the penalty but I’d wager she’s been doing that her whole career without being punished for it and adjusting will take her (and all the other keepers) time to get used to it actually being refereed.

I agree about the right back though I thought she was a total liability.

[IWasThere2016]

The squad is heavy with forward players and hardly any DMs and proper defenders. The ones on the bench simply not good enough for this level. Time to go back and rethink the approach.

:agree:

I backed Argentina +1 last night at just over 2/1 as I expected a draw was the best we'd get. The referee/VAR was cause of me winning my bet... both awful last night IMHO.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I agree Kirsty Smith looked well out of her depth and should have been subbed early on. Not her fault, she doesn't pick herself, but she was the weak link.

[hibstag]

Apart from the result I really enjoyed the game last night. Some good skills lots of effort played in a great atmopshere. Thought the refereee let the Argentinians away with an awful lot of terrible challenges & never looked fully confident. Weird to see players just getting up without making a meal of it, it''l never catch on in the mens game.

I agree the one (driven possibly by the frustration of the save ironically) on the Scottish Player clearing after the penalty in the corner was a shocker. this was lost in all the VAR stuff.

I suppose it 'did not happen' so couldn't be ruled on

[JimBHibees]

Really surprised at the stick Alexander is getting, I thought she had an excellent tournament and made a number of great stops. It’s easy to say she should have stayed on the line for the penalty but I’d wager she’s been doing that her whole career without being punished for it and adjusting will take her (and all the other keepers) time to get used to it actually being refereed.

I agree about the right back though I thought she was a total liability.

Agree thought the goalie was good in the tournament and any other day would be the hero for the double save at the penalty.

[Brightside]

I agree Kirsty Smith looked well out of her depth and should have been subbed early on. Not her fault, she doesn't pick herself, but she was the weak link.

She was a stand out player last year. Man Utd doesn't appear too have improved her at all. She has always been much more effective further up the pitch with pace to burn.

[Just Jimmy]

Kirsty Smith was left 2 on 1 a number of times especially later in the game.

The manager failed at 3-0 to make adjustments which saw the game out. at times we were playing 5 forwards leaving the full backs exposed.

Smith is an excellent player and was outstanding for Hibs and Utd . Last night was all on Kerr

Howard was a disaster the whole tournament. we just don't defend well.
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[JimBHibees]

Kirsty Smith was left 2 on 1 a number of times especially later in the game.

The manager failed at 3-0 to make adjustments which saw the game out. at times we were playing 5 forwards leaving the full backs exposed.

Smith is an excellent player and was outstanding for Hibs and Utd . Last night was all on Kerr

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Dont think you can put that performance at the door of the coach. Did Shelly tell her to not mark the winger at the first goal and sclaff the ball to the attacker and then not block the shot?

[21.05.2016]

Embarrassing, at any level, in any game to be 3-0 up with 15 mins to go and not hold on to win. We can argue all day long about poor decisions etc but ultimately we ****ed up what should have been a comfortable lead in the late stages of the game.

In regards to the penalty re-take decision. Extremely harsh on the keeper. Games gone totally mad.

[easty]

Really surprised at the stick Alexander is getting, I thought she had an excellent tournament and made a number of great stops. It’s easy to say she should have stayed on the line for the penalty but I’d wager she’s been doing that her whole career without being punished for it and adjusting will take her (and all the other keepers) time to get used to it actually being refereed.

I agree about the right back though I thought she was a total liability.


Agree thought the goalie was good in the tournament and any other day would be the hero for the double save at the penalty.


There's folk who bang on about how **** the women's game is and go overboard with it, and folk are quick to shoot them down for it...but on the opposite end of the spectrum, there's folk who make out things are a million times better than they actually are. She didn't have a good or excellent tournament. She didn't pull off a number of great stops. She made some ok stops, and she did really well with the pen and follow up last night, despite the VAR call that followed. She did make a total **** of that second goal last night though, and should have saved the opener against Japan. In 3 games it was her fault for 2 goals.

[Just Jimmy]

Dont think you can put that performance at the door of the coach. Did Shelly tell her to not mark the winger at the first goal and sclaff the ball to the attacker and then not block the shot?I put the fact we did nothing to manage the game at Kerrs door. Smith was left 2 on 1 a number of times and she was replace with 6 mins left by a worse player.

forget all the nonsense around the result. kerr blew that and her management throughout was questionable at best. Hope Solo was spot on with what she said and Kerr did nothing to prove her wrong.



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[HoboHarry]

I put the fact we did nothing to manage the game at Kerrs door. Smith was left 2 on 1 a number of times and she was replace with 6 mins left by a worse player.

forget all the nonsense around the result. kerr blew that and her management throughout was questionable at best. Hope Solo was spot on with what she said and Kerr did nothing to prove her wrong.



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I didn't see the game - what did Hope Solo say?

[Just Jimmy]

I didn't see the game - what did Hope Solo say?not yesterday, the comments were at half time in the Japan game. she questioned her tactically and said she hadn't shown she could set up properly or change it when necessary at that level. she said she was a huge fan of what she had achieved and what Scotland had done getting there etc but that at that level she had to be better.



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[JimBHibees]

I put the fact we did nothing to manage the game at Kerrs door. Smith was left 2 on 1 a number of times and she was replace with 6 mins left by a worse player.

forget all the nonsense around the result. kerr blew that and her management throughout was questionable at best. Hope Solo was spot on with what she said and Kerr did nothing to prove her wrong.



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Thin line between managing the game and individual mistakes resulting in goals. We were 3 up with 15 mins to go how much of the responsibility for losing that goes with the players. Individual errors diving in for the pen, not picking up players etc.

[JimBHibees]

There's folk who bang on about how **** the women's game is and go overboard with it, and folk are quick to shoot them down for it...but on the opposite end of the spectrum, there's folk who make out things are a million times better than they actually are. She didn't have a good or excellent tournament. She didn't pull off a number of great stops. She made some ok stops, and she did really well with the pen and follow up last night, despite the VAR call that followed. She did make a total **** of that second goal last night though, and should have saved the opener against Japan. In 3 games it was her fault for 2 goals.

To me that is overly harsh but they are 2 shots above her head, honestly think she was struggling to reach them and was unlucky the ball bounced back off her hand last night.

[Cataplana]

Thin line between managing the game and individual mistakes resulting in goals. We were 3 up with 15 mins to go how much of the responsibility for losing that goes with the players. Individual errors diving in for the pen, not picking up players etc.

I think the individual errors were due to tiredness, and was amazed she didn't make any substitutions or tactical changes.

[CLASS OF 72 -73]

I put the fact we did nothing to manage the game at Kerrs door. Smith was left 2 on 1 a number of times and she was replace with 6 mins left by a worse player.

forget all the nonsense around the result. kerr blew that and her management throughout was questionable at best. Hope Solo was spot on with what she said and Kerr did nothing to prove her wrong.



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100% agree the girls were run off their feet at 3-0 and plan to shore up the back line and freshen it up. Coach Kerr was pretty clueless throughout.

[J-C]

If she didn't get fingertips on the ball it was going in anyway, it was a good save and awfy unlucky with the spin of the ball when it hit the bar, blame goes on her defenders in front of her.

[heretoday]

Seems to me neither of those teams was going through last night. Wait and see who is in the next round to see who benefits.

Have to say though, why did the manager not bring on substitutes? Goals were due to tiredness as much as anything else. At 3-0, shut the shop.
Neither side would have progressed much further when you look at the highly organised teams that are left in the competition.

[Cataplana]

Neither side would have progressed much further when you look at the highly organised teams that are left in the competition.

Would they have reached the next round, putting a bigger nation out? I don't know, as I hadn't even started doing the maths.

Seems to me a draw was the result FIFA wanted. If a ref can be pulled up by VAR, they can surely advise her watch is wrong.

[jeffers]

There's folk who bang on about how **** the women's game is and go overboard with it, and folk are quick to shoot them down for it...but on the opposite end of the spectrum, there's folk who make out things are a million times better than they actually are. She didn't have a good or excellent tournament. She didn't pull off a number of great stops. She made some ok stops, and she did really well with the pen and follow up last night, despite the VAR call that followed. She did make a total **** of that second goal last night though, and should have saved the opener against Japan. In 3 games it was her fault for 2 goals.

I totally disagree and think you are being overly harsh. IMO the "bad" goals she lost were due to her height, she's 5ft7, any shot hit high and she'll naturally struggle to reach them. It's no coincidence that male goalkeepers are in the main 6ft+.

[Brightside]

I totally disagree and think you are being overly harsh. IMO the "bad" goals she lost were due to her height, she's 5ft7, any shot hit high and she'll naturally struggle to reach them. It's no coincidence that male goalkeepers are in the main 6ft+.

She’s 5ft 5 I think.

[Hermit Crab]

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1141658851827159041

[jeffers]

She’s 5ft 5 I think.

I got my info from wiki so it may well be wrong. If she’s 5ft 5 that makes it even tougher for her. Imagine if there was a male keeper who was only 5ft 5.

[HoboHarry]

I got my info from wiki so it may well be wrong. If she’s 5ft 5 that makes it even tougher for her. Imagine if there was a male keeper who was only 5ft 5.
My best man was the best shot stopper I've ever seen but maxed out at just under 5'6". Would have been a millionaire had he made it to 6'.....

[easty]

To me that is overly harsh but they are 2 shots above her head, honestly think she was struggling to reach them and was unlucky the ball bounced back off her hand last night.

That Japan goal wasn’t too high for her, she just didn’t deal with. Straight down the middle.

If a hibs keeper did that they’d be ripped to shreds for it.

It’s either poor or it’s unlucky. That shouldn’t change based on gender, should it?

[The dalmeny]

That Japan goal wasn’t too high for her, she just didn’t deal with. Straight down the middle.

If a hibs keeper did that they’d be ripped to shreds for it.

It’s either poor or it’s unlucky. That shouldn’t change based on gender, should it?

International keeper, should have dealt with both shots.

Goalkeeping is the weakest part of the womens game, that being said there have been some great saves this world cup.

[Brightside]

I got my info from wiki so it may well be wrong. If she’s 5ft 5 that makes it even tougher for her. Imagine if there was a male keeper who was only 5ft 5.

Jenna Fife is 5ft7 Very few 6ft keepers.

[Wakeyhibee]

Whilst no one wants to point fingers at individuals I think this piece sums it up pretty well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48708705

Other nations will improve as the womens game grows and instead of blaming all kinds of things maybe all concerned can learn from this and not fall behind by burying their heads.

Congratulations to them for getting there and giving it their best (effortwise) but there's a long way to go.

[JimBHibees]

That Japan goal wasn’t too high for her, she just didn’t deal with. Straight down the middle.

If a hibs keeper did that they’d be ripped to shreds for it.

It’s either poor or it’s unlucky. That shouldn’t change based on gender, should it?

Straight down the middle but hit with power above her head honestly didn't think she did much wrong. Also the centre half in front of her was blocking her view until late.

[easty]

Straight down the middle but hit with power above her head honestly didn't think she did much wrong. Also the centre half in front of her was blocking her view until late.

She had plenty time to see it. The defender was further out than the pen spot. It was straight at her! She didn’t even have to jump, just put her hand up.

When you’re absolving a keeper from blame that, you’re making excuses.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The BBC censoring flower of Scotland.

****ing disgrace of a national broadcaster.



i missed the start but someone else agrees with you


https://theweedetour.wordpress.com/2019/06/20/but-we-can-still-rise-now-and-be-a-nation-again-bbc-censored-them-out-of-existence/?fbclid=IwAR2kcgP19kt9_oyP1Ekny5OE2c4uKMtr_s6pMFQT R0eI5c6SazmyD-MsCp4

[cabbageandribs1875]

some of the passing/crossing by this USA team is pretty damn impressive

[J-C]

Andy Goram was only 5ft 11in, not big in goalkeeping terms but was a great keeper, Ronnie Simpson was only 5ft 10in. Height isn't everything as these two superb keepers proved.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sweden 0 USA 2

[Hibernia&Alba]

USA look in a class of their own and will take some stopping.

[calumhibee1]

Andy Goram was only 5ft 11in, not big in goalkeeping terms but was a great keeper, Ronnie Simpson was only 5ft 10in. Height isn't everything as these two superb keepers proved.

They’re still a bit bigger than most female goalies and will also have been much more athletic.

Height of course isn’t everything but there comes a point when height will be an issue in certain positions. Goalies at 5ft7 or so without the physical abilities of an Andy Goram etc who was also 4 inches taller don’t stand much chance in full size goals at times.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Tremendous demonstration of national stereotypes on display, as almost all the Swedish girls are atrractive blondes :top marks:greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

some of the passing/crossing by this USA team is pretty damn impressive

Agree!

They look a class apart

They look as though they know what they are doing

I have been very impressed with Rapino out on their left

[J-C]

They’re still a bit bigger than most female goalies and will also have been much more athletic.

Height of course isn’t everything but there comes a point when height will be an issue in certain positions. Goalies at 5ft7 or so without the physical abilities of an Andy Goram etc who was also 4 inches taller don’t stand much chance in full size goals.


It was as a comparison to the female game, w generally see keepers over 6ft in our game, the 2 I mentioned were below that but were still top keepers, unless we can find a woman keeper around the 5ft 10in mark, then we'll have to do with making the smaller ones better.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Agree!

They look a class apart

They look as though they know what they are doing

I have been very impressed with Rapino out on their left


they're in the different group/route from the Netherlands so hopefully that will be the final

[cabbageandribs1875]

Chile leading thailand just 2-0, need to win 3-0 and they've just missed a penalty

[Just Jimmy]

Chile leading thailand just 2-0, need to win 3-0 and they've just missed a penaltydid they get to retake it til they scored?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Chile couldn't do it

so

Norway v Australia
England v Cameroon
France v Brazil
Spain v USA
Italy v China
Netherlands v Japan
Germany v Nigeria
Sweden v Canada

[cabbageandribs1875]

did they get to retake it til they scored?

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nope hit the bar, i didn't turn over in time to see it, after watching a replay at the end the keeper did indeed keep one foot on the line, which was surprising as the keeper was at fault for both the goals and the penalty

[The 90+2]

Would Scotland have went through had they won 3-2?

[Hibernia&Alba]

The Thai goalkeeper has to be worst player I've seen in the tournament. You have to feel sorry for her; she is completely lost at this level.

[Moulin Yarns]

Would Scotland have went through had they won 3-2?

A quick look at the tables, and it looks like it.

[iwasthere1972]

Are Cameroon a real test for England? Sure that's what the pundits said. Ranked 46th in the world.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Would Scotland have went through had they won 3-2?


yes, we would have been -1 Nigeria were -2

[Here’s Lucy!]

Chile couldn't do it

so

Norway v Australia
England v Cameroon
France v Brazil
Spain v USA
Italy v China
Netherlands v Japan
Germany v Nigeria
Sweden v Canada

So, who do we think will win it, and who do we want to win it? :greengrin

I think USA will win the tournament.

I would prefer either Spain, England or France to win it.

[overdrive]

The offside American was definitely interfering with play at the second goal.

[BILLYHIBS]

Lumped oan Chile At 2-0 for a third

Missed a pen

Where is VAR when you need it?

Did the goalie stay on her line and not move so the penalty taker could score?

I demand a retake !

:brickwall

[Sir David Gray]

Would Scotland have went through had they won 3-2?

With the scores as they were tonight, any win last night would have taken Scotland through.

[JimBHibees]

Are Cameroon a real test for England? Sure that's what the pundits said. Ranked 46th in the world.

Yes I think they are England are good and will likely be too strong however Cameron have a goal threat will be competitive and some good players.

[cabbageandribs1875]

So, who do we think will win it, and who do we want to win it? :greengrin

I think USA will win the tournament.

I would prefer either Spain, England or France to win it.


Australia could give USA a game imo, i've also been impressed with the Dutch who are in the other half of the draw from USA....i'l go for a USA v Netherlands final....no team that are in Bold will win the tournament......in my expert opinion/guesswork :cb

[The 90+2]

Thanks guys. Absolutely brutal in that case.

[Alan62]

Australia are very aggressive and have a real goal scorer up front. They’re my dark horse.

Of course, VAR could still ruin the whole tournament and I think FIFA will continue to pander to the big teams.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Australia are very aggressive and have a real goal scorer up front. They’re my dark horse.

Of course, VAR could still ruin the whole tournament and I think FIFA will continue to pander to the big teams.


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How can a video replay ruin a tournament?

[Brightside]

USA or Germany for me.