Rugby

[Sylar]

13-10

Decent start to the game but errors on both sides.

Had to turn the volume off - commentators are dire.

[Sylar]

16-10

Another needless penalty from the Aussies.

[Sylar]

How very dare Mike Adamson try and speak in his 'broken Spanish' to the Argentine players :rolleyes:

I understand his Spanish just fine and I'm sure the players do too - **** off, you boring ****s.

[cabbageandribs1875]

deserved HT lead 19-10


how poor have australia been


without taking any credit away from the hosts of course

[Sylar]

A deserved lead for Los Pumas at the interval - 19-10.

Boff with 11 of the 19 points :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

19-17

[Sylar]

Wallabies roll out of sight on the back of the Pumas yellow card.

26-34

Been a decent game on the whole though - Argentina with a good account of themselves.

[cabbageandribs1875]

that was forward shirly

[davy67 +]

The All Blacks coach's jacket must be on a shoogly peg . He wasn't exactly popular before the current run of results but I can't see him last much longer , they don't like losing they're not used to it

[overdrive]

I'm no fan of Eddie Jones, but does he not make a good point here regarding rugby's reliance on privately educated players?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/62482333

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The All Blacks coach's jacket must be on a shoogly peg . He wasn't exactly popular before the current run of results but I can't see him last much longer , they don't like losing they're not used to it

They're down to 5th in the rankings, the lowest they've been since the rankings began.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

A wee bit of damage repaired by New Zealand with victory over South Africa earlier.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Australia are getting battered here

26-10 for Argentina after 32 mins

[Sylar]

Thank goodness Sky have opted for the Australian coverage this week - the commentators last week were amongst the worst I've heard in any sporting event.

[cabbageandribs1875]

it's a demolition

64 mins 36-10 Aussies badly let down my double today ;(



66 mins 36-17


commentator seems to think plenty time left for the wallabies.... 12 mins

[cabbageandribs1875]

surely a record defeat for the pumas over the Wallabies 48-17

[davy67 +]

Wallabies blitzing the Boks early on in this game 10-0 seven minutes in

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

10-3, yellow card Australia.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Yellow card SA just before HT.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

15-3

[Sylar]

What a try from Australia. Wow.

[Lancs Harp]

Argentina win in NZ for the first time! 18-25

[Sylar]

Boffeli with yet another kicking masterclass. I really hope we can keep a hold of him for this season. He’s an incredible talent.

[cabbageandribs1875]

six defeats in the last eight for the all blacks


manager got a vote of confidence just last week

[davy67 +]

The All Blacks never really looked like winning the game , coach was already unpopular before the start of this series and I don't see that changing anytime soon . This game was supposed to be the easy one of the three teams , he's definitely gone come the end of the championship

[Sylar]

Pre-season rugby at the DAM tonight between Edinburgh and London Scottish - ultimately abandoned because a fan tripped the fire system in the Lothian Stand!

Hard to read anything into tonight, but London Scottish run out winners against an admittedly B-string Edinburgh side.

So nice to be back watching live rugby though!

[Sylar]

I think Argentina just annoyed New Zealand last week - they've blown the Pumas away in this first half so far. 17-0 after 20 minutes.

[OldEast]

I think Argentina just annoyed New Zealand last week - they've blown the Pumas away in this first half so far. 17-0 after 20 minutes.

They've not had the best season but they remain the most exciting team in world sport. I first saw them from the old Murrayfield schoolboy enclosure in 1967 and to this day the Haka still gives me the shivers.

[cabbageandribs1875]

New Zealand 53 Argentina 3
Australia 8 SA 24


thurs 15th- Australia v New Zealand

Sat 17th- Argentina v SA


Sat 24th..

New Zealand v Australia
SA v Argentina

[Lost_Mackem]

I’m a bit of a Wasps fan so today was infuriating. Throwing away a 21 point lead. Can’t see anything other than a Sarries title win this year as I think Leicester and Quins are slightly weaker this season.

Then Borthwick will leave Leicester at the end of the season, join England’s back room team for the World Cup before succeeding Eddie Jones.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Australia v New Zealand 1045 tomorrow morning for anyone that may be unaware.

[Sylar]

I’m a bit of a Wasps fan so today was infuriating. Throwing away a 21 point lead. Can’t see anything other than a Sarries title win this year as I think Leicester and Quins are slightly weaker this season.

Then Borthwick will leave Leicester at the end of the season, join England’s back room team for the World Cup before succeeding Eddie Jones.

Looking forward to seeing Edinburgh lock horns with Saracens in the Champions Cup later this year. Should be a good test of rugby for us.

I'll confess I've struggled to get into the Gallagher Premiership with any real enthusiasm - I lived and worked in Guildford for a while, and Quins trained at our University facilities, and I got to know a few of the players quite well (still in touch with one or two).

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Australia v New Zealand 1045 tomorrow morning for anyone that may be unaware.

10-10 HT, good game so far.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

13-31

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

20-31, blatant forward pass goes unchecked prior to Aussie try.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

27-31

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

34-34

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

37-34

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

37-39
All Blacks score the winning try in injury time, brilliant entertainment.

[OldEast]

Christ and we think Rantic get all the decisions!

[JeMeSouviens]

Christ and we think Rantic get all the decisions!

I think if they did that for all time wasting pens it would be great and Foley can't say he wasn't warned but still ...

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think if they did that for all time wasting pens it would be great and Foley can't say he wasn't warned but still ...

Huge call from the referee, can't remember seeing that before.

[Sergio sledge]

Huge call from the referee, can't remember seeing that before.

Yeah I've never seen it before, it's a strange one, but he was warned by the ref to get a move on and his own players were shouting at him to kick it, so I guess it must have been more obvious on the pitch what was going on.

Is there a time limit you have to take penalties in? There's a time limit for taking kicks at goal, but never seen this situation so don't know if there's a limit for normal penalties as well.

[McD]

Horrible looking leg/knee injury to the all blacks forward

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Argentina 3 S Africa 3 after 15 minutes

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Penalty try for SA, yellow card for Argentina.

[davy67 +]

Are the commentators in the Pumas V Boks game in the stadium or are they commentating remotely?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

17-6 South Africa

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Are the commentators in the Pumas V Boks game in the stadium or are they commentating remotely?

Sounds like it's remotely, still better than the 2 Argentinian guys from a few weeks ago.

[davy67 +]

Horrible looking leg/knee injury to the all blacks forward

Ruptured medial crucate ligament, partial anterior crucate ligament tear 6-9 months rehab , Darcy Swain cited

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

22-6, making full use of the extra man.

[davy67 +]

Sounds like it's remotely, still better than the 2 Argentinian guys from a few weeks ago.
Definitely they were horrendous

[davy67 +]

Yeah I've never seen it before, it's a strange one, but he was warned by the ref to get a move on and his own players were shouting at him to kick it, so I guess it must have been more obvious on the pitch what was going on.

Is there a time limit you have to take penalties in? There's a time limit for taking kicks at goal, but never seen this situation so don't know if there's a limit for normal penalties as well.

Used to be a 2 minute limit for a kick at goal , the ref would usually urge the player to hurry up as he did here

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Another Argentina yellow card in injury time.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

20-22, dodgy decision re grounding of that try there.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

20-29

[davy67 +]

"Not pretty but effective" , kind of sums up this game

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Great try at the end there, 20-34

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

20-36 ft

[Sylar]

I'm just back from the DAM, for Edinburgh's first URC game of the season - ran out very comfortable winners in the end. Conceded 2 early penalties, then scored 44 unanswered points. And that's still missing a number of players.

Very nice poignant mark of respect for HM Queen Elizabeth beforehand too - a lone piper played Flowers of the Forest, followed by an impeccably observed minute's silence.

Great to have live rugby back again.

[McD]

Ruptured medial crucate ligament, partial anterior crucate ligament tear 6-9 months rehab , Darcy Swain cited


thats sickening, even more do with the nature of how it happened


on a separate note but linked to posts about the SA - Argentina match, the Australian commentators were so biased, especially when patting Foley on the back for taking a conversion quickly so the ref couldn’t look at the blatant forward pass that led to a try, and even more so with the delay of game penalty at the end, just about it tears and all the whining

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

All Blacks 10 Oz 0

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

17-0

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

24-0

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

37-7

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

40-14 ft

[Sylar]

Good comeback from Edinburgh against the Bulls - it was 15-0 to the Bulls, but is now 15-14 at ht following tries from Savala and Graham. Ill discipline a serious problem for Edinburgh this first half with 10 penalties, but the Welsh ref has been pretty one-sided, 'missing' a few clear penalties for Edinburgh.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Australia didn't help themselves with yet another couple of sin bins

36 years now since their last win at Eden Park


even playing half of the 1st half with just 14 i thought they were the better side but still found themselves down 17-0 at HT



FT South Africa 38 Argentina 21

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Australia didn't help themselves with yet another couple of sin bins

36 years now since their last win at Eden Park


even playing half of the 1st half with just 14 i thought they were the better side but still found themselves down 17-0 at HT



FT South Africa 38 Argentina 21

Bugger, thought it was safe to read the thread as the last post was at the back of 4, got as far as ht in the South Africa game this morning then sacked it. 😔

[cabbageandribs1875]

couple of heavy defeats today


Stormers 34 Edinburgh 18
Ospreys 32 Glasgow 17

[cabbageandribs1875]

Edinburgh 19 Lions 22

3rd straight loss against South African sides


Glasgow v 2nd top Bulls tonight

[davy67 +]

It's not often you get a chance to say this in a rugby match but , New Zealand are getting absolutely battered ATM in this game v Australia in the Women's World Cup 12-0 to Oz after 25 minutes. Game has been mostly Australia attcking so far

[davy67 +]

New Zealand have finally woken up two quick tries to make the score 17- 12

[davy67 +]

Another try to The Black Ferns 17- 17 48 minutes

[davy67 +]

Australia 17- 24 New Zealand , Kiwi girls are on top nowv

[davy67 +]

New Zealand score again, complete turn around in this game 17-31

[davy67 +]

Another try New Zealand 17 - 36

[davy67 +]

One way traffic now 17- 41

[davy67 +]

Full time 17-41

[cabbageandribs1875]

great result for Glasgow v Bulls 35-21

[davy67 +]

Two second half tries from the Scottish women's team helped them fight back to 15 15 in their first match in the World Cup , but a last minute penalty gives the Welsh a 18-15 win

[cabbageandribs1875]

sustained pressure from Scotland finally brought the try to level it but i felt straight away because it was down a wing we wouldn't convert, considering our kicker had a 0/4 kicks it was a cert she would make it 0/5,which she did, of course 14-player wales secured the restart then went through(i think) 30 phases before getting the inevitable penalty, boom

next up Australia followed by New Zealand, New Zealand beat Japan 95-12 in a warm-up game last month, eek

[cabbageandribs1875]

it's a shame how things have panned out with Townsend and Russell

Finn Russell: Scotland career 'could be over' after autumn omission - Peter Wright - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63370935)

Finn Russell's Scotland career could be over after his Autumn Nations Series omission, says Peter Wright.
Ten months from the Rugby World Cup, Gregor Townsend left out the Racing 92 pivot citing "form and consistency", choosing Blair Kinghorn, Adam Hastings and Ross Thompson at fly-half instead.

The pair have endured a strained relationship in recent seasons.
"Gregor's pretty much saying he is not taking Finn to the World Cup," former Scotland prop Wright told BBC Scotland.

[hibeg]

Why is the Scotland v Aussies game not on the tv ? :confused:

[Jones28]

Ohhhh that try was sublime.

[cabbageandribs1875]

great try Scotland followed by a dreadful conversion attempt by kinghorn

[Jones28]

5-0 Scotland, Kinghorn hooked the conversion wide.

[cabbageandribs1875]

didn't last long 5-3

[cabbageandribs1875]

jeezo i didn't need glasses to see that australian line-out throw was wayyyyyyy squint

[Jones28]

Playing well here.

Apart from that stupid jambo Schoeman swan diving over an Australian.

[Golden Bear]

Why is the Scotland v Aussies game not on the tv ? :confused:

It's on Amazon Prime.

[cabbageandribs1875]

no need to put that down so quick, and that's led to us losing it and gifting them a penalty right on HT


5-6 needless

[cabbageandribs1875]

try scotland :) conversion good this time 12-6


good stuff
poor stuff
good stuff
poor stuff

dreadful stuff

15-6 good stuff

what a silly attempt at clearing out, maybe lucky it's just a yellow


can't blame townsend for players constantly giving away penalties

15-13


that was so embarrassing the ball not getting collected by a scotland player

i've never saw a scottish side give away so many freakin penalties, i think that's about 14 now

15-16

[Jim44]

Scotland are poor and don’t have the discipline to win games like this.

[cabbageandribs1875]

what on earth are they line-outs all about

[cabbageandribs1875]

away ye go kinghorn absolutely dreadful kick again

[Hibs Class]

Should have won, deserved to lose

[Just_Jimmy]

it's a shame how things have panned out with Townsend and Russell

Finn Russell: Scotland career 'could be over' after autumn omission - Peter Wright - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63370935)

Finn Russell's Scotland career could be over after his Autumn Nations Series omission, says Peter Wright.
Ten months from the Rugby World Cup, Gregor Townsend left out the Racing 92 pivot citing "form and consistency", choosing Blair Kinghorn, Adam Hastings and Ross Thompson at fly-half instead.

The pair have endured a strained relationship in recent seasons.
"Gregor's pretty much saying he is not taking Finn to the World Cup," former Scotland prop Wright told BBC Scotland.23 points today for Finn Russell in Racing's 43-38 win away to Brive.

Meanwhile Hastings misses two crucial kicks costing Scotland victory.

Townsend puts his personal issues with Finn ahead of Scotland. It's poor.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

had Australia to win with the handicap of -1

no even consolation of a few quid :(

26264

[Jim44]

away ye go kinghorn absolutely dreadful kick again

That guy has lost the game for Scotland with two missed easy penalties. Should never take another penalty for Scotland again. Drama queen comment:greengrin but if somebody can’t do the basics, there’s plenty of others who can. He’ll not be very popular at the post match ‘commiserations’.

[cabbageandribs1875]

23 points today for Finn Russell in Racing's 43-38 win away to Brive.

Meanwhile Hastings misses two crucial kicks costing Scotland victory.

Townsend puts his personal issues with Finn ahead of Scotland. It's poor.

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it was actually Kinghorn that had the two boots on the wrong feet today bud :(


but i'm quite sure Russell would have kicked that one at the end, two very poor misses indeed


the amateur ****-up between Van Der Merwe and Ritchie led to the winning OZ penalty though

[Jim44]

Townsend’s judgement is now under scrutiny. Can see him getting the boot.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Townsend’s judgement is now under scrutiny. Can see him getting the boot.

i really can't blame him for that today tbf, when professional players just can't do the simple basics, if he wasn't bald he would be tearing his hair out at most of the penalties conceded today

it was almost comical that muck up between van der merwe and ritchie at the touchline

the aussies will be p@shing themselves laughing

[Just_Jimmy]

it was actually Kinghorn that had the two boots on the wrong feet today bud :(


but i'm quite sure Russell would have kicked that one at the end, two very poor misses indeed


the amateur ****-up between Van Der Merwe and Ritchie led to the winning OZ penalty thoughHaha I know, I have no idea why I'm blaming poor Adam [emoji1787]

Russell has issues no doubt but he's world class and we won't pick or play him cos the coach doesn't like him. Its pathetic.

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[Sergio sledge]

23 points today for Finn Russell in Racing's 43-38 win away to Brive.

Meanwhile Hastings misses two crucial kicks costing Scotland victory.

Townsend puts his personal issues with Finn ahead of Scotland. It's poor.

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While I agree with the general point, Russell couldn't have played today anyway because the game was outside the international window, so only Scottish based players could play. Kinghorn was always going to play today.

I don't actually mind Kinghorn as a back up option, but he's not even half the player Russell is.

[Golden Bear]

While I agree with the general point, Russell couldn't have played today anyway because the game was outside the international window, so only Scottish based players could play. Kinghorn was always going to play today.

I don't actually mind Kinghorn as a back up option, but he's not even half the player Russell is.

:agree:

That's also also why Stuart Hogg and Jonny Gray couldn't be selected.

As for the stand off position, then I'd play Ross Thompson of Glasgow Warriors long before Kinghorn.

[Mcbizz1998]

:agree:

That's also also why Stuart Hogg and Jonny Gray couldn't be selected.

As for the stand off position, then I'd play Ross Thompson of Glasgow Warriors long before Kinghorn.

Exactly. Kinghorn just isn’t a 10. I actually feel sorry for the lad, he was a good fullback and was probably the natural successor to Hogg. Now he is a poor club level stand off and is taking all the flack.

Townsend has wasted this generation and needs to go.

[Mcbizz1998]

Townsend’s judgement is now under scrutiny. Can see him getting the boot.

He will get to the World Cup, unfortunately.

[Sylar]

Really felt for Kinghorn yesterday - had an exceptional game with his dummy pass to set up Smith for the first try and his run and juggling skills to score his own try were briliant - as good as Finn is, he wouldn't have had the pace to do that! He certainly shouldn't be given kicking responsibilities. He plays at 10 for Edinburgh and he's very good at 10 for Edinburgh, but we have Boffeli to deal with kicking duties.

Townsend clearly has a problem with Finn, and his choice to preserve his ego over picking the best possible players is going to cost us - to say Finn needs to show form when he's done what he has the past 2 weeks, while you have some players in the starting XV yesterday who've maybe played half an hour this season is laughable.

I've wanted Toonie out for a good few seasons now but sadly, I also think he'll get to the World Cup before any reset takes place.

[cabbageandribs1875]

New Zealand captain Sam Cane is ruled out for their tour after picking up an injury against Japan yesterday

they struggled a bit against japan yesterday in a close 38-31 win, interesting how they fare against the Welsh next saturday, Wales haven't beaten the all-blacks since 1953

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hogg back and Hastings starts in place of Kinghorn

[Hibby Bairn]

It's on Amazon Prime.

I wonder what the decision pay off is broadcasting on Amazon v BBC 1 or ITV. Must work financially but surely it makes the matches pretty much invisible to millions who otherwise wouldn't normally watch Rugby.

Like me 🙂

[Just_Jimmy]

Hogg back and Hastings starts in place of KinghornHopefully he plays as well as Blair did, just kicks better.

Or else I'll slag Blair this week instead [emoji1787]

Of course, if Townsend actually gave a **** about Scotland rather than his own ego, Russell would be starting. It's a joke.

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[Just_Jimmy]

6 penalties already... 3 offside.

Total bollocks. Discipline is a joke under Townsend.

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Scotland not looking too clever here.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Huge improvement in Scotland's discipline in the 2nd half. 28-12 with 6 minutes to go.

[cabbageandribs1875]

wow what a complete balls up Australia made of that up in the French half with the clock on red for HT, try France, converted 19-13

[cabbageandribs1875]

6 penalties already... 3 offside.

Total bollocks. Discipline is a joke under Townsend.

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i feel the players have to take responsibility for the offside ones, there's only so much a coach can do, the players know not to go offside :(

[cabbageandribs1875]

Australia penalty 19-16
French penalty 22-16

Australia Try, converted 22-23

Australia penalty 22-26


68 mins French knock back the simplish penalty and go for the lineout instead


comes to no avail

72 mins French Penalty, 25-26

74 mins Australian penalty, 25-29

76 mins France try, conversion missed 30-29

FT 30-29 Aussies shot themselves in the foot a tad

France on their best ever run of wins 11 from 11

[cabbageandribs1875]

next weekend

1-PM Ireland v Fiji
1 PM Italy v Australia
3:15 PM England v Japan
5:30 PM Wales v Argentina
8 PM France v South Africa


Sunday
2:15 PM Scotland v New Zealand..... GULP, hopefully keep it down to between 20-30 points

[Greenbeard]

I see yon English knob is ripping into Townsend again on BBC online re Russell's exclusion.
From what I have heard apparently there is a toxic atmosphere in the squad whenever FR is there. Doesn't matter how good a player you are, if your presence has a detrimental affect on the overall squad wellbeing, you shouldn't be there. Ca va sans dire.

[Just_Jimmy]

I see yon English knob is ripping into Townsend again on BBC online re Russell's exclusion.
From what I have heard apparently there is a toxic atmosphere in the squad whenever FR is there. Doesn't matter how good a player you are, if your presence has a detrimental affect on the overall squad wellbeing, you shouldn't be there. Ca va sans dire.It's Townsends job to manage that, instead he leaves out our most talented player.

I'm not buying that Finn Russell is the problem. He's not a problem at his club. He's a maverick, I'll buy that but he's world class. We don't have the pool to leave that talent out.

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[Greenbeard]

It's Townsends job to manage that, instead he leaves out our most talented player.

I'm not buying that Finn Russell is the problem. He's not a problem at his club. He's a maverick, I'll buy that but he's world class. We don't have the pool to leave that talent out.

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Left out for good reason in my book. GT has tried to manage FR and the part he plays in the squad but for whatever reason it's not worked and if I had to bet on whose fault it was I'd be lumping on FR.
I agree he's world class - but only some of the time and not often enough by far to be real world class. He has had as many anonymous games and cock-ups for Scotland as match-winning games. And re current league form in France and turning things round, he's been playing against lower ranked teams. I'd far rather Kinghorn starts at 10 on Sunday with Hogg as cover.

[Just_Jimmy]

Left out for good reason in my book. GT has tried to manage FR and the part he plays in the squad but for whatever reason it's not worked and if I had to bet on whose fault it was I'd be lumping on FR.
I agree he's world class - but only some of the time and not often enough by far to be real world class. He has had as many anonymous games and cock-ups for Scotland as match-winning games. And re current league form in France and turning things round, he's been playing against lower ranked teams. I'd far rather Kinghorn starts at 10 on Sunday with Hogg as cover.Scotland won't win games against top sides with Kinghorn or Hastings at 10, nor hogg.

They'll have a much better chance of winning games with Russell at 10. They won't always do so but they'll have a better chance.

I don't disagree that he's had bad games and wild moments but he should be playing for Scotland. Anything else is denying us the chance at having a match winner in the squad.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

didn't watch it but......i may now :)

FT England 29 Argentina 30


i'm reading Boffelli had another great game


i'm not understanding the points count on the BBC though, according to them he got one try, 6 penalties and two conversions which of course would be = 27

and Carreras got one try=5 :hmmm:

= 32

Tries: Boffelli, Carreras Pens: Boffelli (6) Cons: Boffelli (2)


what am i missing :confused:

[McD]

Scotland won't win games against top sides with Kinghorn or Hastings at 10, nor hogg.

They'll have a much better chance of winning games with Russell at 10. They won't always do so but they'll have a better chance.

I don't disagree that he's had bad games and wild moments but he should be playing for Scotland. Anything else is denying us the chance at having a match winner in the squad.

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this is where I am (respectfully disagreeing with Greenbeard), FR being in the team gives us our best chance of winning matches, every excellent result under GT has heavily featured FR, whilst also acknowledging he’s had poor games too. Even the Lions looked a better side when he was on the pitch.

whenever I’ve seen Russell play, his teammates seem to be fine with him at worst, often much more so. Ultimately GT’s job is to win rugby matches with Scotland, not having FR in the mix is damaging that aim. He looks especially ridiculous trying to claim FR isn’t there due to form, whilst not only is FR tearing it up at club level (I take Greenbeard’s point about less than stellar opposition but you can only play who’s in front of you), but he’s also selected a Flyhalf who has hardly been on the pitch this season. I suspect we’re seeing the latter stages of GT’s tenure as Scotland coach

[Greenbeard]

this is where I am (respectfully disagreeing with Greenbeard), FR being in the team gives us our best chance of winning matches, every excellent result under GT has heavily featured FR, whilst also acknowledging he’s had poor games too. Even the Lions looked a better side when he was on the pitch.

whenever I’ve seen Russell play, his teammates seem to be fine with him at worst, often much more so. Ultimately GT’s job is to win rugby matches with Scotland, not having FR in the mix is damaging that aim. He looks especially ridiculous trying to claim FR isn’t there due to form, whilst not only is FR tearing it up at club level (I take Greenbeard’s point about less than stellar opposition but you can only play who’s in front of you), but he’s also selected a Flyhalf who has hardly been on the pitch this season. I suspect we’re seeing the latter stages of GT’s tenure as Scotland coach
I suspect many will be seeing it that way unfortunately, some influenced by the English knob's opinionated know-all utterances. But if whoever else comes in instead puts a bad apple back in the barrel which they are charged with looking after, it's still going to spoil the barrel.
I'm pretty certain that GT will have taken counsel from his other coaches and captain/senior players group. They must be onside with his current thinking. But if they turn against him, I agree his days will be numbered. That would be sad.
And BTW I have heard it suggested that FR's non-selection is influenced by his father's dismissal hoo-ha with the SRU. What absolute nonsense.

[weecounty hibby]

Townshend was a terrible appointment and I've said it since the minute that it was floated. We got rid of one of the best coaches in world rugby who was improving EVERY aspect of scotlands performances and replaced with a coach who had one good season at Glasgow. We should have kept Cotter and if Townshend left Glasgow for France or wherever so be it. I'd get rid now as our world cup is going to be **** again with him in charge.

[Mcbizz1998]

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The King is back. If only Townsend was the one who was “OUT”.

[Mcbizz1998]

Left out for good reason in my book. GT has tried to manage FR and the part he plays in the squad but for whatever reason it's not worked and if I had to bet on whose fault it was I'd be lumping on FR.
I agree he's world class - but only some of the time and not often enough by far to be real world class. He has had as many anonymous games and cock-ups for Scotland as match-winning games. And re current league form in France and turning things round, he's been playing against lower ranked teams. I'd far rather Kinghorn starts at 10 on Sunday with Hogg as cover.

This is one of the most ludicrous posts I’ve ever seen on the subject.

Kinghorn is not an international class 10. Hogg is not a 10, full stop. Finn Russell is the most talented 10 this country has ever produced, there is nobody that even comes close in the pro era. You could argue Rutherford but it was a different game back then. To suggest that we can afford to leave him out in place of a winger trying to play 10 with cover from a full back is absolutely insane.

The fact that Townsend has been unable to manage Russell and ensure he is firing for Scotland is on him. Russell hasn’t had any issues what so ever with any other coach in his career - yet Townsend has fallen out with him and Hogg, our best players.

Sense now seems to have prevailed with Finn back in but it won’t be long before Townsends ego and stubbornness causes another issue. He needs sacked if we are to have any chance of avoiding another pool stage exit at the RWC.

[Greenbeard]

This is one of the most ludicrous posts I’ve ever seen on the subject.

Kinghorn is not an international class 10. Hogg is not a 10, full stop. Finn Russell is the most talented 10 this country has ever produced, there is nobody that even comes close in the pro era. You could argue Rutherford but it was a different game back then. To suggest that we can afford to leave him out in place of a winger trying to play 10 with cover from a full back is absolutely insane.

The fact that Townsend has been unable to manage Russell and ensure he is firing for Scotland is on him. Russell hasn’t had any issues what so ever with any other coach in his career - yet Townsend has fallen out with him and Hogg, our best players.

Sense now seems to have prevailed with Finn back in but it won’t be long before Townsends ego and stubbornness causes another issue. He needs sacked if we are to have any chance of avoiding another pool stage exit at the RWC.
Aye ludicrous. I bow to your superior knowledge and reading of the situation. Sure, Townsend has a problem with his ego and Russell doesn't. Ok then.

[Mcbizz1998]

Aye ludicrous. I bow to your superior knowledge and reading of the situation. Sure, Townsend has a problem with his ego and Russell doesn't. Ok then.

It is ludicrous. To drop the best stand off we have ever had, to play a Winger converted to 10 who can’t kick at goal. And your answer for a back up to the winger convert is what…..we play the best full back since Gavin Hastings out of position? And to cap it all off, you want to do this against…. the All Blacks!?

I’m sorry but if you think that’s genuinely the best option then I absolutely do have superior knowledge because that is completely mental.

Thankfully even Townsend has seen sense.

[Sylar]

didn't watch it but......i may now :)

FT England 29 Argentina 30


i'm reading Boffelli had another great game


i'm not understanding the points count on the BBC though, according to them he got one try, 6 penalties and two conversions which of course would be = 27

and Carreras got one try=5 :hmmm:

= 32

Tries: Boffelli, Carreras Pens: Boffelli (6) Cons: Boffelli (2)


what am i missing :confused:

BBC got it wrong - Boff missed one of his conversions.

On track to be World Rugby player of the year. Edinburgh had better get him signing a contract extension and making sure that when he does finally leave for France or the Premiership, that we're well compensated.

Great to see Finn back in the squad. I'm a big fan of Kinghorn and what he does with Edinburgh, but you cannot leave your elite player out of the team the way Toonie has. You can argue til the cows come home who's at fault, and what problems exist around Finn in camp, but that he's the best player at the position is undeniable. Having said that, I've seen our elite 10 make plenty of costly mistakes when the chips are down in a Scotland shirt...for Toonie to come out with the 'he has to show form' nonsense really did highlight it was a clash of egos, as Finn has been exceptional so far in the Top14. Anyway, I can't be bothered with who's to blame etc - I'm looking forward to seeing us put our best foot forward and have a crack at what looks like a well oiled All Blacks machine on Sunday - atmosphere should be great.

Equally good for me is to see Price replaced at 9. I just can't take to his style and he slows the game down something awful. He's not a bad player, far from it, but he's juxtaposed to the speed we have across our backs and too often he delays getting the ball from breakdown to the sides.

[Mcbizz1998]

BBC got it wrong - Boff missed one of his conversions.

On track to be World Rugby player of the year. Edinburgh had better get him signing a contract extension and making sure that when he does finally leave for France or the Premiership, that we're well compensated.

Great to see Finn back in the squad. I'm a big fan of Kinghorn and what he does with Edinburgh, but you cannot leave your elite player out of the team the way Toonie has. You can argue til the cows come home who's at fault, and what problems exist around Finn in camp, but that he's the best player at the position is undeniable. Having said that, I've seen our elite 10 make plenty of costly mistakes when the chips are down in a Scotland shirt...for Toonie to come out with the 'he has to show form' nonsense really did highlight it was a clash of egos, as Finn has been exceptional so far in the Top14. Anyway, I can't be bothered with who's to blame etc - I'm looking forward to seeing us put our best foot forward and have a crack at what looks like a well oiled All Blacks machine on Sunday - atmosphere should be great.

Equally good for me is to see Price replaced at 9. I just can't take to his style and he slows the game down something awful. He's not a bad player, far from it, but he's juxtaposed to the speed we have across our backs and too often he delays getting the ball from breakdown to the sides.

I think Price plays his best with Russell controlling the game. With Kinghorn or Hastings, Price is very much the senior player (3 test Lion) and will need to make more decisions.

Agree though that he has been off form, one of the others should get their chance.

[Just_Jimmy]

I think Price plays his best with Russell controlling the game. With Kinghorn or Hastings, Price is very much the senior player (3 test Lion) and will need to make more decisions.

Agree though that he has been off form, one of the others should get their chance.I like Price and I agree he's a better player with Russell. That's exactly the argument for Russell... play your best players.



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[Mcbizz1998]

I like Price and I agree he's a better player with Russell. That's exactly the argument for Russell... play your best players.



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Agree mate.

What do you reckon for Sunday then? I really don’t see Townsend picking Russell unfortunately. Hope I’m wrong but I can’t see him swallowing his pride and fully admitting he was wrong.

[Just_Jimmy]

Agree mate.

What do you reckon for Sunday then? I really don’t see Townsend picking Russell unfortunately. Hope I’m wrong but I can’t see him swallowing his pride and fully admitting he was wrong.I'm not sure. I don't see us winning with or without Finn but he should start. Given how Kinghorn kicked against Australia, and then starting Hastings at the weekend he may well just go with Russell and hope a good performance sees it all forgotten but I don't trust GT to make the best choice for Scotland. Which is what you allude to.

I'm up for the game, and I'm really looking forward to it.

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[Mcbizz1998]

I'm not sure. I don't see us winning with or without Finn but he should start. Given how Kinghorn kicked against Australia, and then starting Hastings at the weekend he may well just go with Russell and hope a good performance sees it all forgotten but I don't trust GT to make the best choice for Scotland. Which is what you allude to.

I'm up for the game, and I'm really looking forward to it.

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Yep, looking forward to it now FR is back. Needs
to start as you say.

NZ looked impressive last weekend but they have been inconsistent recently and it can’t be forgotten that Wales are very poor. Will take some turnaround but you never know, we have to beat them someday, surely!

[Mcbizz1998]

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Well, the main man is back!

Not convinced by Tuipulotu starting with Redpath out the squad. Finn will need some cross fields and long passes to find that back 3, as neither centre is a distributor.

Brown back in has come from nowhere considering he wasn’t even in the original squad but that’s just the Townsend Tombola at its best.

[cabbageandribs1875]

BBC got it wrong - Boff missed one of his conversions.

On track to be World Rugby player of the year. Edinburgh had better get him signing a contract extension and making sure that when he does finally leave for France or the Premiership, that we're well compensated.

Great to see Finn back in the squad. I'm a big fan of Kinghorn and what he does with Edinburgh, but you cannot leave your elite player out of the team the way Toonie has. You can argue til the cows come home who's at fault, and what problems exist around Finn in camp, but that he's the best player at the position is undeniable. Having said that, I've seen our elite 10 make plenty of costly mistakes when the chips are down in a Scotland shirt...for Toonie to come out with the 'he has to show form' nonsense really did highlight it was a clash of egos, as Finn has been exceptional so far in the Top14. Anyway, I can't be bothered with who's to blame etc - I'm looking forward to seeing us put our best foot forward and have a crack at what looks like a well oiled All Blacks machine on Sunday - atmosphere should be great.

Equally good for me is to see Price replaced at 9. I just can't take to his style and he slows the game down something awful. He's not a bad player, far from it, but he's juxtaposed to the speed we have across our backs and too often he delays getting the ball from breakdown to the sides.


agree 110%, i've always thought he slows it down and just like in football it gives the other side so much time to get organised, he's not a bad player and i'm not sure if he's maybe told to play that way.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Australia fluff the last kick of the game conversion to give Italy their first ever win after 19 attempts against them 28-27

[Mcbizz1998]

Australia fluff the last kick of the game conversion to give Italy their first ever win after 19 attempts against them 28-27

Yep, great game. First win for Italy over Australia. Hopefully a weekend of first wins!

[Sylar]

Thoroughly enjoyed that France vs South Africa game. Had a bit of everything, with France taking the win (their 12th in a row! Ominous...).

DuPont and du Toit both seeing red for their respective sides - Boks did well to get back into it but France claim the win in the end.

[Mcbizz1998]

Thoroughly enjoyed that France vs South Africa game. Had a bit of everything, with France taking the win (their 12th in a row! Ominous...).

DuPont and du Toit both seeing red for their respective sides - Boks did well to get back into it but France claim the win in the end.

Some dodgy calls from Barnes, but that’s par for the course. Cracking game though to round off a great day if Rugby.

Off to Murrayfield (well, The Hampton first) shortly. Hopefully we can get a big performance from Scotland.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Anyone know what channel on Amazon the game is on?

[heretoday]

Doddie Weir! Top man.

[heretoday]

All Blacks unstoppable.

[bringbackbenny]

All Blacks unstoppable.

Some reversal! Long way to go..

[heretoday]

Fantastic response by Scotland. Great match.

[Hibby Bairn]

Invisible to the vast majority of people in Scotland. Not even on the radio.

[Jones28]

Pish weekend of sport.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Like watching Hibs, so ****ing frustrating!!

[Just_Jimmy]

Was at the game. 55 mins of outstanding rugby. I'm not totally convinced it was a deliberate knock on but it killed the game. I don't know if their second try at the end was grounded but they gave it.

Frustrating as **** and ultimately the discipline has cost us again.

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[Sylar]

I thought the ref was great until about the 50th minute. Then he seemed to turn. The knock on from van der Merwe looked backwards to me. The deliberate knock-on was a farce. Their go-ahead try looked like it was down short of the line, and not even a look at the trip on Graham as he kicked through?!

Maybe im still in sour grape mode, but I feel robbed today.

[Just_Jimmy]

I thought the ref was great until about the 50th minute. Then he seemed to turn. The knock on from van der Merwe looked backwards to me. The deliberate knock-on was a farce. Their go-ahead try looked like it was down short of the line, and not even a look at the trip on Graham as he kicked through?!

Maybe im still in sour grape mode, but I feel robbed today.

As do I. However, same old scotland at the line. 3 times we blew it for a penalty.
However, I agree. I think the ref was picky all day but missed or got the big ones wrong. TMO didn't help much either. I was right beside the Graham one and he definitely should have looked at it again.

Same old story

Imagine how we'd have played if we hadn't started our 4th fly half? [emoji1787][emoji6]

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[Sylar]

As do I. However, same old scotland at the line. 3 times we blew it for a penalty.
However, I agree. I think the ref was picky all day but missed or got the big ones wrong. TMO didn't help much either. I was right beside the Graham one and he definitely should have looked at it again.

Same old story

Imagine how we'd have played if we hadn't started our 4th fly half? [emoji1787][emoji6]

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Agreed, we were our own worst enemy with ill-discipline again. We gave up 2 penalties in the opening 2 minutes! Our criminal inability to execute inside their 5 didn't help either.

[Jones28]

I'm struggling to understand what would constitute an accidental knock-on if what we saw yesterday was deliberate.

With TMO it does work brilliantly, but am I right in thinking there's no limit to what they can use TMO to assess?

It killed the game for me yesterday, especially seeing the yellow card that came with it. That seems to be a ridiculously OTT punishment for something that clearly was not deliberate. It could have also been given as a penalty try if I'm not mistaken?

[Jones28]

Agreed, we were our own worst enemy with ill-discipline again. We gave up 2 penalties in the opening 2 minutes! Our criminal inability to execute inside their 5 didn't help either.

It does come down to poor discipline for what seems like the millionth time watching Scotland in the last 5 or so years. Penalties given away are criminal at times, baffling at others, but as professional players I expect them to know when they can do what they're doing. I do find myself shouting out when I see someone reaching over the ruck for fear that the ref will penalise them.

There was a point in the second half though where a player (Fagerson maybe?) couldn't roll away as he was being sat on by two NZ players at the side of the ruck, the ref didn't give the penalty but then did for the same thing about 25 seconds later? Confused me all ends up.

[Mcbizz1998]

Still scratching my head as to how we threw that one away. Some top performances all over the pitch, Hogg back to what we know he can do, Ritchie Gray excellent, and of course Russell with an assured display really making a mockery of his exclusion in the first place.

The whole backline looks more dangerous and confident with Finn pulling the strings. I still don’t understand why Tuipulotu gets in ahead of Redpath, the guy is a bosh merchant, can’t pass.

The game was there for us, giving them a 14 point head start is never a great idea but fought hard to get into a lead but couldn’t execute when it mattered. The ref didn’t help with his picky decisions and the yellow card is a so harsh. That law in general is a complete farce, basically no point trying to intercept as if you don’t catch it you are off for 10, and if you happen to hit the ball in the tackle then you are off for a rest as well.

Finn must remain at 10 and Townsend needs to get a centre partnership that he feels is his best and stick to it as we run up to the World Cup. The amount of combinations he has had in there is nuts, and we aren’t any closer to knowing which works best. I’d go Redpath and Harris next game with Finn at fly half,

[JimBHibees]

I thought the ref was great until about the 50th minute. Then he seemed to turn. The knock on from van der Merwe looked backwards to me. The deliberate knock-on was a farce. Their go-ahead try looked like it was down short of the line, and not even a look at the trip on Graham as he kicked through?!

Maybe im still in sour grape mode, but I feel robbed today.

That knock on when it went 5 yards backwards was ridiculous especially when the touch judge was right there. Yes thought the ref did turn. Thought Graham was definitely taken off the ball which should definitely been a penalty and probably yellow. Was watching on prime wasn't that clear why some the pens near the line were given against us. Thought Scotland were excellent in the main.

[Sergio sledge]

We should have been more than 3 points up at half time, but poor execution cost us.

Then we should have been able to close the game out but poor discipline cost us.

Sadly that's pretty much the story of watching Scotland recently, particularly under Townsend.

We are a much better team with Russell at stand off, he lifts the performance of the whole team, but particularly the back, we just look so much more dangerous with him in the team. He might make mistakes sometimes, but that's because he is trying to make thing happen. There's no way Townsend can go back to Kinghorn now when Russell is fit and available, and if he does he should be out of a job.

The yellow card for Dempsey looked very harsh to me, I'm not convinced that it was deliberate, looked like it just hit his hand in the act of wrapping for the tackle. A scrum 5m out for a knock on with no yellow card would have seemed fairer. Having said that, when the footage was slowed right down for the replays it does look like he looked at the ball for a split second which maybe made the referee think that he knew what he was doing. At full speed there's no chance (IMHO) he looked at the ball and knocked it away deliberately. I have an issue with them using slow motion for incidents like this as you can misread situations when slowed down.

Edit: It's also clear to me that Stuart Hogg had the captaincy taken away from him for his horrendous hair. Man buns should be nowhere near a rugby pitch....

[Mcbizz1998]

Same team other than 2 enforced changes with Gray and Watson both out. Redpath returns to the bench and Turner back for Ashman.

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[Sylar]

Same team other than 2 enforced changes with Gray and Watson both out. Redpath returns to the bench and Turner back for Ashman.

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Redpath should be in ahead of Sione IMO. A much better all-round player. Price back at 9 is also a poor shift - I thought White looked very good at 9 against the ABs.

It might also be my Edinburgh>Glasgow mentality too, but Fraser Brown really isn't anywhere near our best 2. But I appreciate Cherry is injured and McInally hasn't been in the best of form (due to not playing for the most part) recently.

[McD]

Redpath should be in ahead of Sione IMO. A much better all-round player. Price back at 9 is also a poor shift - I thought White looked very good at 9 against the ABs.

It might also be my Edinburgh>Glasgow mentality too, but Fraser Brown really isn't anywhere near our best 2. But I appreciate Cherry is injured and McInally hasn't been in the best of form (due to not playing for the most part) recently.


Personally I’m not a fan of turner, I think mcinally and cherry are better players, and I also think ashman has looked excellent when he’s come off the bench.

agree about redpath, he should be in for me

[Mcbizz1998]

Personally I’m not a fan of turner, I think mcinally and cherry are better players, and I also think ashman has looked excellent when he’s come off the bench.

agree about redpath, he should be in for me

Agree on Redpath but I think Turner is ahead
of Cherry, if not Mcinally. Especially considering Cherry’s age, he has a handful of caps and in his 30’s.

Having said that I’m maybe only saying that because Turner won me a first try scorer bet against Fiji [emoji23]

[McD]

Agree on Redpath but I think Turner is ahead
of Cherry, if not Mcinally. Especially considering Cherry’s age, he has a handful of caps and in his 30’s.

Having said that I’m maybe only saying that because Turner won me a first try scorer bet against Fiji [emoji23]


:greengrin

i think mcinally may be close to finished as an international player, sadly, can’t seem to escape the recurring injuries. Cherry I think is a better player but his age is definitely a factor that makes it difficult to build round him for a significant period

[Mcbizz1998]

:greengrin

i think mcinally may be close to finished as an international player, sadly, can’t seem to escape the recurring injuries. Cherry I think is a better player but his age is definitely a factor that makes it difficult to build round him for a significant period

Yeah think you are right on McInally. All our top Hookers are getting on tbh - Turner is 30, Cherry is almost 32, Mcinally 32 and Brown 33.

Ashman has a great opportunity to grab the jersey for years to come, only 22 and looks a real
prospect.

[McD]

Yeah think you are right on McInally. All our top Hookers are getting on tbh - Turner is 30, Cherry is almost 32, Mcinally 32 and Brown 33.

Ashman has a great opportunity to grab the jersey for years to come, only 22 and looks a real
prospect.


he does, made a positive impact both times he’s come off the bench in these matches. Possibly time to groom him into the starting role ahead of the World Cup?

[cabbageandribs1875]

FT Wales 12 Georgia 13 ouch



watched the Italy v SA game, Italy matched them in the 1st half(13-18) but SA stepped up big time in the 2nd FT Italy 21 SA 63

[cabbageandribs1875]

Scotland 0 Argentina 3 after just 1 min+

actually it was 30 seconds


can't blame Townsend for that


great try Tuipolotu

7-3 11 mins


self inflicted, poor kicking Try Argentina 7-8


22 mins red card Argentina


Try Scotland

Try Scotland, con missed 19-8

Try Argentina 19-15

could do with Argentina going down to 13 :)

Try Scotland, russell misses another con


they do indeed go down to 13, at least for 10 minutes anyway

and now down to 12, for nine minutes at least


brilliant, 12 man Argentina score a try, can't make this up 24-22 that was actually quite funny


Try the brave 15 :greengrin con good this time 31-22

[Jim44]

Scotland are piss poor against 12 men.

[cabbageandribs1875]

poor scenes


Argentine no 8 should see yellow as well

[cabbageandribs1875]

Scotland running riot now :) 45-22

50-22 con good 52-22


lol just couldn't keep them out, if that was us bombarding a team near the try line we would eventually muck up so well done Argentina 52-29


gawd i wish that lassie on the mic would stop her screaming at murrayfield games

[weecounty hibby]

Probably the worst game management I've ever seen from Scotland. At 15 v 12 we should have been looking to put on 20 points. Awful
Russell played well, Graham is a total star and is why I love rugby. You don't have to be huge to be good.

[Jones28]

Doesn’t count as it was against 14 men though.

[Golden Bear]

An entertaining game to close out our Autumn series. Yes, we maybe didn't capitalise when the Pumas were short handed but over the piece there were more positives than negatives.

I, for one, had previously doubted Finn Russell's commitment to the national team but he was absolutely outstanding - especially on the same day that his expectant wife was due to give birth. Hopefully any "differences"between him and Toony are a thing of the past and the hatchet has been well and truly buried.

[heretoday]

NZ wide awake for Twickenham. Well ahead at HT.

[cabbageandribs1875]

6-22 that was a shocking attempt for a conversion lol

they needed that england were starting to get back in this

[cabbageandribs1875]

that is never ever a try, 20 odd replays trying to finally think it's on the line when it wasn't it was held up, giving it as some kind of consolation



all blacks out of sight at 25-11 until that decision to award a try and now it's 25-25


and still the england fans boo when england kick it out

all blacks should be concerned at how they totally collapsed

[heretoday]

Fantastic effort by England I must admit.

[Jones28]

I’ll be honest, I wanted England to play that and go for the win.

[Sylar]

We ended up routing them, but while there were plenty of positives, I have serious concerns. Ongoing discipline issues, look scared when we get near the goal-line and seem incapable of scoring tries by attrition. Finn was outstanding, Darcy Graham is rapidly becoming a world class winger, and Duhan was impressive today too.

Was pleased the red card didn't deter Argentina - I had a £10 on both teams to score a try in each half at odds of 3/1! :greengrin

[Golden Bear]

We ended up routing them, but while there were plenty of positives, I have serious concerns. Ongoing discipline issues, look scared when we get near the goal-line and seem incapable of scoring tries by attrition. Finn was outstanding, Darcy Graham is rapidly becoming a world class winger, and Duhan was impressive today too.

Was pleased the red card didn't deter Argentina - I had a £10 on both teams to score a try in each half at odds of 3/1! :greengrin

Wow - that looked a great bet and it certainly was. 👍

[He's here!]

Probably the worst game management I've ever seen from Scotland. At 15 v 12 we should have been looking to put on 20 points. Awful
Russell played well, Graham is a total star and is why I love rugby. You don't have to be huge to be good.

I'd agree with that, although it was good to see us cut loose towards the end.

Great win for Georgia over Wales BTW.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

France are looking like they are in tip top condition for next year's World Cup.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Australia have a raft of players out injured/not available for the game against Wales, surely the Welsh will stop the rot this time

[cabbageandribs1875]

Benetton 24 Edinburgh 17, Benetton played 70 mins with just 14



i don't expect Glasgow to get anything away to Leinster, FT 40-5



Wales v Australia just starting

[cabbageandribs1875]

wow didn't expect that scoreline for Wales v Australia, i turned over when it was 34-13


34-39 i'll need to watch that one again on Prime



presently England 3 SA 11 after 34 mins

[nellio]

Pivac has got to go for me.

We've gone backwards since he's been in charge. Probably doesn't help that we have a team in a bit of transition at the moment but some shocking performances under him including losing at home to Italy in the last 6N and now losing home to Georgia and getting annihilated by the AB's. Were never goinf to beat the ABs but lets at least try to keep it competitive. Lost to Australia when we were in front as well when they have huge amount of injuries.

[Just_Jimmy]

Pivac has got to go for me.

We've gone backwards since he's been in charge. Probably doesn't help that we have a team in a bit of transition at the moment but some shocking performances under him including losing at home to Italy in the last 6N and now losing home to Georgia and getting annihilated by the AB's. Were never goinf to beat the ABs but lets at least try to keep it competitive. Lost to Australia when we were in front as well when they have huge amount of injuries.Keep him til after Murrayfield. Cheers [emoji1787]

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[Just_Jimmy]

Got the six nations tickets sorted this morning. Prices are ridiculous and they have the cheek to add a £1 "admin" fee per ticket.

However, I, and many others pay it so I'm to blame...

Anyway, here's to more fumbles at the 5 yard line, poor discipline and the odd ridiculously good performance to win a game we didn't expect.



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[Golden Bear]

It's a sell out crowd tonight for Edinburgh v Munster, I'm looking forward to this one. Nice tribute to Doddie before kick off.

[Golden Bear]

Half time:- Edinburgh 17 Munster 14.

[Golden Bear]

Final score :- Edinburgh 17 Munster 38.

A very disappointing second half performance from Edinburgh, far too many unforced errors im perfect conditions. Munster were a transformed team in the second half and won the physical battle with some ease.

[wookie70]

Final score :- Edinburgh 17 Munster 38.

A very disappointing second half performance from Edinburgh, far too many unforced errors im perfect conditions. Munster were a transformed team in the second half and won the physical battle with some ease.

I was photographing the game for my Agency and it was a tough gig. Very poor performance by Edinburgh littered with errors and Darcy getting injured seemed to suck the life out of them. I took in the Heriots v Stirling women's game yesterday at Goldenacre and I think both sides handled the ball better than their professional counterparts the evening before. Women's Rugby has came so far in the last five or so years since I started photographing it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i've never actually saw this guy play but does Scotland need another scrum-half, especially a 32 year old one ? Ulster star John Cooney considering switching allegiance to Scotland from Ireland - Irish Mirror Online (https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/rugby-union/ulster-star-john-cooney-considering-28630514) if anything it would at least increase competition i guess

[McD]

i've never actually saw this guy play but does Scotland need another scrum-half, especially a 32 year old one ? Ulster star John Cooney considering switching allegiance to Scotland from Ireland - Irish Mirror Online (https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/rugby-union/ulster-star-john-cooney-considering-28630514) if anything it would at least increase competition i guess


not sure I like these new rules, international sport shouldn’t be pick and mix, especially if you’ve already been capped several times



on another note, I see Gatland has went back to the wales job, pivac out, unsurprisingly

[Sylar]

i've never actually saw this guy play but does Scotland need another scrum-half, especially a 32 year old one ? Ulster star John Cooney considering switching allegiance to Scotland from Ireland - Irish Mirror Online (https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/rugby-union/ulster-star-john-cooney-considering-28630514) if anything it would at least increase competition i guess

He's one of the best scrum-half's in Ireland in my opinion, but the age is definitely a concern.

I really enjoyed the first half on Friday night...I enjoyed the second half too, but that was mostly because I'd arsed about 3 of the mulled rums that were being served at the Uhuru truck :greengrin - gained massive husband points by slapping away a kick to touch from Carbery that was going right at my wife's head.

Like Jimmy, I secured 4 tickets for the Wales game - looking forward to the atmosphere and the soiree into the toon afterward with the Welsh fans. I have seriously low expectations for the 6Ns, so any win is a bonus!

[cabbageandribs1875]

not sure I like these new rules, international sport shouldn’t be pick and mix, especially if you’ve already been capped several times



on another note, I see Gatland has went back to the wales job, pivac out, unsurprisingly

agree i think it's under the residency rules thing ? used to just be grandparents and now includes if a player has played in that country for three years, i think


He's one of the best scrum-half's in Ireland in my opinion, but the age is definitely a concern.

I really enjoyed the first half on Friday night...I enjoyed the second half too, but that was mostly because I'd arsed about 3 of the mulled rums that were being served at the Uhuru truck :greengrin - gained massive husband points by slapping away a kick to touch from Carbery that was going right at my wife's head.

Like Jimmy, I secured 4 tickets for the Wales game - looking forward to the atmosphere and the soiree into the toon afterward with the Welsh fans. I have seriously low expectations for the 6Ns, so any win is a bonus!


you will know more about his playing than i do, it was just the age thing for me as well, i can understand the player wanting more involved in international games, it would certainly give Ali price a little extra skip in his pace you would think, but i'm probably being biased because for one reason only, just the one, i've always criticised how much he tends to slow things down at the breakdown, i'm quite possibly wrong and maybe it's been coached/asked of him to play that way.

[cabbageandribs1875]

England coach Eddie Jones sacked

bubye wee man

[The dalmeny]

agree i think it's under the residency rules thing ? used to just be grandparents and now includes if a player has played in that country for three years, i think




you will know more about his playing than i do, it was just the age thing for me as well, i can understand the player wanting more involved in international games, it would certainly give Ali price a little extra skip in his pace you would think, but i'm probably being biased because for one reason only, just the one, i've always criticised how much he tends to slow things down at the breakdown, i'm quite possibly wrong and maybe it's been coached/asked of him to play that way.

Cooneys dad's Scottish, appeared to move to Dublin for his work. Cooney qualifies because his last Ireland cap was over 3 years ago. A rule introduced really to help tier 2 countries


Cooney is very well thought of at Ulster, greatkicker, removes that worry if Kinghorn plays at 10. Seems the issues with Ireland have revolved around Sexton and Sexton. Would be handy to have him for rwc next year. Don't think he'd be in the frame much after.

[nellio]

Gatland back as Wales head coach.

Interesting to see how he gets on after a disastrous stint at the chiefs. Also no Sean Edwards this time either.

[Moulin Yarns]

England coach Eddie Jones sacked

bubye wee man

A really nice guy. I met him in Liverpool when we were staying in the same hotel as the England Rugby squad.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Cooneys dad's Scottish, appeared to move to Dublin for his work. Cooney qualifies because his last Ireland cap was over 3 years ago. A rule introduced really to help tier 2 countries


Cooney is very well thought of at Ulster, greatkicker, removes that worry if Kinghorn plays at 10. Seems the issues with Ireland have revolved around Sexton and Sexton. Would be handy to have him for rwc next year. Don't think he'd be in the frame much after.

i would like to think if he does change that he will be competition for few years more, if he's only really wanting that shot of playing at a WC then disappears not long after i'd be fair peeved for Ali Price losing his place just for a short duration, i think he needs to make up his mind pretty quickly if he wants to be involved for our six nations games, if he's still not made up his mind in time for that then i hope price keeps his spot for the WC


A really nice guy. I met him in Liverpool when we were staying in the same hotel as the England Rugby squad.


i think he did enjoy rubbing up opposition fans the wrong way, usually quite ungracious after a defeat either the opposition or the referees fault

[Moulin Yarns]

i think he did enjoy rubbing up opposition fans the wrong way, usually quite ungracious after a defeat either the opposition or the referees fault

I get that, think of Lennon in a football setting and then how he is away from the game. Jones was happy to chat with me even though this was shortly after he was abused by 2 Scots.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I get that, think of Lennon in a football setting and then how he is away from the game. Jones was happy to chat with me even though this was shortly after he was abused by 2 Scots.



ach just banter :wink:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Darcy Graham out until at least February


in great form as well

[Just_Jimmy]

Darcy Graham out until at least February


in great form as wellAww ffs. Hopefully he'll make the 6 nations but it'll be tough.

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[Sylar]

Darcy Graham out until at least February


in great form as well

Still angry it wasn't even looked at by the TMO - a quite deliberate and malicious act from an Ireland player doing his job ahead of the Six Nations.

[Golden Bear]

Still angry it wasn't even looked at by the TMO - a quite deliberate and malicious act from an Ireland player doing his job ahead of the Six Nations.

I totally agree.

[Scottie]

Steve Brorthwick confirmed England head coach. First game against us at Twickers. Think he will be a big success for them unfortunately.

[Mcbizz1998]

So, Russell to Bath confirmed for next season. Will be an interesting move for him.

Obviously makes sense financially and it’s amazing that Scotland now have the best paid player in the world, something we can’t have been able to say before. Bath are a massive club and been underachieving, but making some really good signings. Lawrence, Barberry, Du Toit and now Russell - they should be a different animal by the time Finn joins them.

Excited to see him week in week out on TV, him and Redpath as the 10/12 axis as well - should be good news from a Scotland perspective.

[cabbageandribs1875]

dammit forgot the return 1872 game tonight at Murrayfield

HT 20-12

Glasgow won last week 16-10

[weecounty hibby]

dammit forgot the return 1872 game tonight at Murrayfield

HT 20-12

Glasgow won last week 16-10

25000 in attendance as well

[cabbageandribs1875]

25000 in attendance as well


good crowd :agree: only watched the 2nd half but not surprised they haven't added to those 20 points


and another Glasgow try 20-29, 18 points without reply

[Sylar]

Better team won, but I'm worried for the rest of our season - we're in a losing habit just now and Blair doesn't seem to have any answers.

A lot of talented individuals in the squad just now, but many of whom aren't giving 100%.

Credit to Glasgow - they wanted it more second half (though I'd really like to see their try to get it back to 20-19 again, as it looked like a forward pass to me).

[Golden Bear]

A great second half performance from the Warriors and they thoroughly deserved their victory. Edinburgh were in command for about 30mins in the first half but didn't capitalise and they ended up paying the penalty. The Warriors simply looked "more up for it" while the Edinburgh heads definitely dropped in the second half.

Great entertainment though!

[Mcbizz1998]

Edinburgh were very poor last night, Glasgow not that much better but executed 2 really good tries. Overall disappointing to lose twice to them as if we have any aspirations for this side then we should be able to beat that Glasgow team.

On a more positive note I was in hospitality for the game, really enjoyable experience. Scott Hastings and Stuart Mcinally spoke before the game and Mark Bennett came straight off the pitch in his kit to speak after the game. The room was filled with ex-players - John Jeffrey, Hastings brothers, Ian Milne, Duncan Hodge, Andy Irvine.

[Sylar]

Edinburgh were very poor last night, Glasgow not that much better but executed 2 really good tries. Overall disappointing to lose twice to them as if we have any aspirations for this side then we should be able to beat that Glasgow team.

On a more positive note I was in hospitality for the game, really enjoyable experience. Scott Hastings and Stuart Mcinally spoke before the game and Mark Bennett came straight off the pitch in his kit to speak after the game. The room was filled with ex-players - John Jeffrey, Hastings brothers, Ian Milne, Duncan Hodge, Andy Irvine.

Sounds awesome! I was in the Clubhouse before the game for the first time, and thought that was great. A few players kicking about in there too (Chris Dean, Damien Hoyland, Pierce Phillips) and I had a smashing Schoeman Steak Pie!

[Sylar]

Cracking acquisition for Edinburgh, securing the services of stand-off Ben Healy from Munster!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64165347

Some competition for Kinghorn can only be a good thing - I don't want that to sound like I'm piling on to Blair - I think he's a good rugby player, but he's not been particulary effective at 10 for either club or country lately - his tackling is abysmal and he shirked a few of them against Glasgow in the 1872.

Hopefully Healy can improve him - it probably does mean the end of van de Walt's time in Edinburgh, which is a shame - he's not been treated particulary well by Edinburgh and deserved more opportunity IMO.

[cabbageandribs1875]

only a try in the last play of the game saw Edinburgh beat bottom club Zebre 24-17

i turned over to the footy when it went 10-5 in the 2nd half, not overly impressed

[Sylar]

only a try in the last play of the game saw Edinburgh beat bottom club Zebre 24-17

i turned over to the footy when it went 10-5 in the 2nd half, not overly impressed

We were missing pretty much our entire starting XV against Zebre's full team. I thought the players did well to get a result. I had a great day yesterday - met Hamish Watson, Darcy Graham, Matt Currie, Emiliano Boffelli and WP Nel before the game yesterday - all happy to stop, chat and take photos.

Very convincing win for Glasgow earlier - they too scored a BP win with the last play of the game but against much stronger opposition.

[heretoday]

Ken Scotland died at 86. Fair-haired fullback and British Lion 50s/60s. Remember him as one of the last to take a conversion straight on with the toe of the boot!

[Greenbeard]

Off the top of your head, who springs to mind - a repeat offender - as one of the worst high tackle offenders in the Home Nations?
Owen Farrell must be top or very near the top of the list, but despite his previous, he only gets three weeks for this from an "independent" RFU discipline panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3vKro2R9y4
I say chaps, that means he is back in time to play for England vs Scotland in the 6NC. Jolly good show.

[CropleyWasGod]

Ken Scotland died at 86. Fair-haired fullback and British Lion 50s/60s. Remember him as one of the last to take a conversion straight on with the toe of the boot!

And now David Duckham.

He was my teenage hero as a flying 3-quarter :agree:

[Just_Jimmy]

I'm at Sale v Toulouse on Saturday in the Heineken Cup. Hopefully be a good game. Sale got hammered out there but hopefully tighter at home.

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[davy67 +]

Dave Rennie has been sacked as Australia coach. Eddie Jones replacing him

[Sylar]

Dave Rennie has been sacked as Australia coach. Eddie Jones replacing him

Wonder if that might trigger a Toonie to France, Rennie to Scotland move?

Two great away wins for Edinburgh and Glasgow this weekend in France - Edinburgh move to the QF of the Champions Cup and can secure a home game by beating Saracens next Sunday!

[davy67 +]

Wonder if that might trigger a Toonie to France, Rennie to Scotland move?

Two great away wins for Edinburgh and Glasgow this weekend in France - Edinburgh move to the QF of the Champions Cup and can secure a home game by beating Saracens next Sunday!

Only problem is Rennie's wife wants to be closer to grandchildren

[heretoday]

And now David Duckham.

He was my teenage hero as a flying 3-quarter :agree:

Another blond! What he sight he was on the run. Lyrically described by Bill McLaren of course.

[Stairway 2 7]

Absolute **** bag

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scotland-rugby-star-faces-axe-28990372.amp

Scotland rugby star faces axe after abusing girlfriend for two years

[davy67 +]

Absolute **** bag

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scotland-rugby-star-faces-axe-28990372.amp

Scotland rugby star faces axe after abusing girlfriend for two years

Glasgow have already stated that he's suspended indefinitely

[cabbageandribs1875]

was their seriously no one in the Edinburgh camp that didn't realise they needed more points at the end for a home tie ? instead Pyrgos kicks it out deary me :greengrin, i don't think schoeman understands what the interviewer was pointing out to him at the end, just saying he was happy with the win.



26405

[McD]

Glasgow have already stated that he's suspended indefinitely


now dismissed

[Sylar]

Good riddance to him and well done Warriors.

Looking more and more likely that John Cooney is going to be called up by Townsend. With him and Healy, that's 2 very good new acquisitions.

[Mcbizz1998]

Good riddance to him and well done Warriors.

Looking more and more likely that John Cooney is going to be called up by Townsend. With him and Healy, that's 2 very good new acquisitions.

The Cooney one is embarrassing. The guy has played from Ireland Schools, all the way to full international with 11 caps.

He had no interest playing for Scotland. If he isn’t good enough for Ireland then why would we want him? We have a 3 test lion in Price already, plus White, Horne and Velacott. Makes a complete joke of international rugby picking guys like that.

[Mcbizz1998]

was their seriously no one in the Edinburgh camp that didn't realise they needed more points at the end for a home tie ? instead Pyrgos kicks it out deary me :greengrin, i don't think schoeman understands what the interviewer was pointing out to him at the end, just saying he was happy with the win.



26405

Pyrgos didn’t kick it out initially. He tried to keep it alive and then after the crowd went mental at him to boot it out, he did but only after he ran it and went through another phase.

Seems everyone at the DAM (including me) didn’t know the situation but Pyrgos did.

[Just_Jimmy]

The Cooney one is embarrassing. The guy has played from Ireland Schools, all the way to full international with 11 caps.

He had no interest playing for Scotland. If he isn’t good enough for Ireland then why would we want him? We have a 3 test lion in Price already, plus White, Horne and Velacott. Makes a complete joke of international rugby picking guys like that.I agree.

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[McD]

I agree.

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:agree:

and me

[Sylar]

Another disappointing night at the office for Edinburgh - Sharks rested most of their Boks but were still too powerful in the end. Fought right til the end and again, I'd question the decision making not to take the penalty in the 82nd minute and kick it to get a draw!

A lot of Sharks fans in the crowd tonight, which made for a great atmosphere.

If we could have a fully available, healthy roster, we'd have a seriously scary team - it just hasn't quite worked this season sadly!

[Mcbizz1998]

Another disappointing night at the office for Edinburgh - Sharks rested most of their Boks but were still too powerful in the end. Fought right til the end and again, I'd question the decision making not to take the penalty in the 82nd minute and kick it to get a draw!

A lot of Sharks fans in the crowd tonight, which made for a great atmosphere.

If we could have a fully available, healthy roster, we'd have a seriously scary team - it just hasn't quite worked this season sadly!

Missed the game last night as was at ER, disappointing result. How did Watson look?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sat

2:15pm Wales v Ireland...BBC one
4:45pm England v Scotland...STV

Sun

3pm Italy v France... STV

[Lost_Mackem]

Can’t wait. Fancy England to bring the Calcutta Cup home.

[Mcbizz1998]

Off to Twickenham for the game, fly tomorrow - first away day since covid!

Scotland really should be winning this. Settled team with established combinations all over the pitch, Russell playing some of his best stuff, the form side in this fixture over the last 5 years, England in transition (and not very good anyway). It’s all there for us to continue the run against them and set ourselves up for the tournament.

However, much like Hibernian, usually it’s games like this that Scotland let us down. Fingers crossed they will put in a big performance.

[WeeRussell]

Off to Twickenham for the game, fly tomorrow - first away day since covid!

Scotland really should be winning this. Settled team with established combinations all over the pitch, Russell playing some of his best stuff, the form side in this fixture over the last 5 years, England in transition (and not very good anyway). It’s all there for us to continue the run against them and set ourselves up for the tournament.

However, much like Hibernian, usually it’s games like this that Scotland let us down. Fingers crossed they will put in a big performance.

That’s interesting - would you say you give Scotland a favourite’s chance?

Was just considering asking people’s thoughts as may have a flutter tomorrow.. Scotland getting 7 points in the handicap (sure it was 9 a couple of days ago).

Watching the game at pub with friends tomorrow, and while I don’t mind watching the odd rugby game and will naturally be supporting Scotland, might have an interest to get me as ‘excited’ as the boys i’m watching it with.

As it’s still ‘only rugby’ to me 😁

[Lost_Mackem]

That’s interesting - would you say you give Scotland a favourite’s chance?

Was just considering asking people’s thoughts as may have a flutter tomorrow.. Scotland getting 7 points in the handicap (sure it was 9 a couple of days ago).

Watching the game at pub with friends tomorrow, and while I don’t mind watching the odd rugby game and will naturally be supporting Scotland, might have an interest to get me as ‘excited’ as the boys i’m watching it with.

As it’s still ‘only rugby’ to me 😁

I’d make England favourites. Not quite sure why the guy you’ve quoted is so confident of a Scotland win to be honest. They’ve won once at Twickenham in 40 years and that was without fans present.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Scotland won and I think it will be close but England are favourites.

[JimBHibees]

I’d make England favourites. Not quite sure why the guy you’ve quoted is so confident of a Scotland win to be honest. They’ve won once at Twickenham in 40 years and that was without fans present.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Scotland won and I think it will be close but England are favourites.

Think you are right Scotlands record there is horrible. Decent recent record against England however getting rid of Jones was the best thing they have done

[hibsbollah]

Sat

2:15pm Wales v Ireland...BBC one
4:45pm England v Scotland...STV

Sun

3pm Italy v France... STV
I used to quite like the Welsh rugby team, but I recently watched the BBC culture documentary, absolutely shocking stuff, the WRU is clearly toxic at a very high level.

[WeeRussell]

I’d make England favourites. Not quite sure why the guy you’ve quoted is so confident of a Scotland win to be honest. They’ve won once at Twickenham in 40 years and that was without fans present.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Scotland won and I think it will be close but England are favourites.

👍 I think it was only ever going to be Scotland in the handicap, for me, if anything

[cabbageandribs1875]

U20's

FT

Italy 27 France 28, Italy pretty unlucky but their kicking let them down, 5-3 on tries


expected a hammering for Scotland but we gave them a game..

FT England 41 Scotland 36

FT Wales 27 Ireland 44



i do however expect us to get beat tomorrow at twickers :(