Rugby

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm a lip-reader


every england player has thanked Beaumont for making the draw 20 years ago :greengrin

[Lancs Harp]

Only about a dozen nations in the world play it seriously its like bragging about winning an international trophy at cricket, baseball or kabaddi

Or Curling.

[heretoday]

Not a thrilling match tonight but a good contest for a third place play-off.

[Stairway 2 7]

Or Curling.

Defo, probably less are at the top of that.

[Jones28]

And Scotland dont even get to the knock out. Knock it all you want England finished 3rd .. draw blah blah blah but France, Scotland, Wales and Ireland failed. England with their most disappointing World Cup team for years finished 3rd. Get over it.

Argentina, Samoa, Chile, Fiji and Japan are the teams England beat to finish 3rd.

Yeah, big well done them.

Came up against South Africa, did well but couldn’t last the pace after playing a bunch of tier 2 sides?

Come in, you’re kidding yourselves if this is anything other than a missed opportunity.

[Just_Jimmy]

I thought England were mince for most the second half. 2nd best of the losers is something I suppose. :greengrinThey are mince. Lucked on a sham of a draw.

They'll be back to getting pumped in the 6 nations.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

FT's

Connaught 34 Glasgow 26
Edinburgh 17 Lions 16

try for home debut boy Ashman, Edinburgh were under the cosh a tad for 25 mins in the 2nd half

Edinburgh & Glasgow sitting 3rd and 4th, only two games played right enough :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

All Black yellow card in 3rd minute.

[cabbageandribs1875]

this could go Red



SA now without their only specialist Hooker

[Keyser Sauzee]

It’s probably been said 1000 times before but VAR is excellently used in Rugby and why football doesn’t try and use it in the same way is mental

[cabbageandribs1875]

remains a yellow


what a pressure NZ have been under


at least they will finally get in the SA twenty two now

0-3


NZ kicking for touch with the penalty, i like to see that


only the bounce of the ball stopped a NZ try

3-6

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The match can start now.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

6-3 South Africa

[cabbageandribs1875]

SA not quite as adventurous with the penalty but 3-9

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Will Jordan been quite anonymous so far, I'm sure he'll have a part to play though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

that NZ line out is not doing the business


oh dear another NZ sin bin, maybe a red this one

[cabbageandribs1875]

NZ down to 14


and with that i think SA will win now


game oor


3-12

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

That'll be that then. 🤬

[Golden Bear]

Red card ? Really? I don't think so,shouldn't different statures and split second decision making/ reaction time be taken into account?

We're not far away from rugby becoming a non contact sport. 🙄

[cabbageandribs1875]

yas NZ try


aw naw knocked on


well noticed TMO though

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Knock on, still All Black ball.

[cabbageandribs1875]

that one counts though

poor con attempt


11-12


i'm knackered watching this

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

that one counts though

poor con attempt


11-12


i'm knackered watching this

The intensity is amazing, great viewing.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Yellow card for SA.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

14 v 14 for last 8 minutes.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

NZ miss the penalty.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The intensity is amazing, great viewing.


:agree: i think NZ have been the better side the 2nd half a man down, credit to them for making a game of it


energy sapping stuff

[cabbageandribs1875]

feel for them, playing so long a man down

[weecounty hibby]

Not a victory for rugby.

[heretoday]

Fantastic stuff. The tension was unbelievable. SA just managed to keep NZ pegged back in the last stages when they looked like winning at one point.
They missed two vital place kicks also.

[Golden Bear]

High intensity stuff but very little open play. I started off supporting the Boks but ended up feeling sorry for the All Blacks.

[Sergio sledge]

Red card ? Really? I don't think so,shouldn't different statures and split second decision making/ reaction time be taken into account?

We're not far away from rugby becoming a non contact sport. 🙄

As clear a red card as you’ll see. He made no attempt to get low and was upright in the tackle. Being bigger doesn’t excuse you from getting yourself into a proper tackling position.

Players need to learn to tackle properly and not always try to go for the dominant tackle. They used to teach us to tackle low, even big players can get low if they want to.

As for the “We're not far away from rugby becoming a non contact sport.” Don’t be ridiculous, protecting players heads from injury and trying to get players to tackle properly like they used to is not taking away contact, it’s just being sensible.

[ballengeich]

As clear a red card as you’ll see. He made no attempt to get low and was upright in the tackle. Being bigger doesn’t excuse you from getting yourself into a proper tackling position.

Players need to learn to tackle properly and not always try to go for the dominant tackle. They used to teach us to tackle low, even big players can get low if they want to.

As for the “We're not far away from rugby becoming a non contact sport.” Don’t be ridiculous, protecting players heads from injury and trying to get players to tackle properly like they used to is not taking away contact, it’s just being sensible.
High tackling is aimed at preventing a player passing the ball after being tackled. When I played (decades ago) passing from the ground after being tackled was not allowed. Perhaps reversing some rule changes could be a contribution to making contacts safer.

[Greenbeard]

Not a victory for rugby.
Aye, a poor advert. An Ireland v France final would have been a far better watch.
A couple of things I'd advocate for change to speed up play and to benefit the attacking team.
1. At a ruck, once the ball is visible and playable, the ref should give the "use it" call. Thereafter no-one else should be permitted to join/elongate the ruck, and the "use it" time should be dropped to three seconds from five.
2. When playing a "penalty advantage" if the defending team commits another penalty it should be an automatic yellow card for the offender. I hate it when a penalty advantage is stopped by the defending team going offside or over the ball.

It's never going to happen but I'd also prohibit lifting in the line-out. Love these old school clips on You Tube when forwards actually had to jump for the ball.

[J-C]

As clear a red card as you’ll see. He made no attempt to get low and was upright in the tackle. Being bigger doesn’t excuse you from getting yourself into a proper tackling position.

Players need to learn to tackle properly and not always try to go for the dominant tackle. They used to teach us to tackle low, even big players can get low if they want to.

As for the “We're not far away from rugby becoming a non contact sport.” Don’t be ridiculous, protecting players heads from injury and trying to get players to tackle properly like they used to is not taking away contact, it’s just being sensible.

The SA player turned into him, he had zero chance to get low, his natural reaction was to wrap the arms around the player, he never led with the shoulder or never attempted to not wrap his arms, he was very unlucky but the rules are the rules, even though in this case it was wrong and a yellow was enough IMHO.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I don't pay much attention to the rules so, this might already have happened but, if they are trying to look after the players its time to stop that shove from the attacking team players that fires runners into the other team. How are you meant to know where he is going after being propelled into you?

[heretoday]

I've just watched the whole match again on YouTube with a mixed Africaans/English commentary. Hard to follow but a deal more passionate than the ITV version.

The whole thing hinged really on the two conversions NZ missed. The one try they scored was arguably a forward pass but the man upstairs didn't check it out.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Glasgow go 2nd in the table with a win over table-toppers Stormers 20-9


can't see Edinburgh getting anything at Leinster this afternoon

36-27

[MartinfaePorty]

Currently on holiday in South Africa and saw on TV the open top bus going through SOWETO. Was brilliant to see the happy faces of men, women and children all waving and running alongside. It's going through Durban this morning and would have been nice to see it, but we're heading in the other direction. Everywhere you go there are references to Bokke! Just shows the power of sport!

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Wayne Barnes: Rugby World Cup final referee on social media abuse he and family faced - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67349016)


His wife, Polly, previously said Barnes received death threats
(https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/29/rugby-world-cup-final-referee-wayne-barnes-got-death-threats-wife-says) after the match."When people make threats against your wife and kids, they should be held to account and punished," Barnes said.

the sooner the bawbags that dish out threats online for any sport are hammered by the courts the better

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ali Price joins Edinburgh on loan from Glasgow

'national interests' one of the reasons, makes sense

[McD]

Ali Price joins Edinburgh on loan from Glasgow

'national interests' one of the reasons, makes sense



Seen a few comments online from Glasgow fans feeling a bit hacked off, saying the SRU are always more focussed on Edinburgh and there’s rarely players sent from Edinburgh to Glasgow, but several the other way

[cabbageandribs1875]

Seen a few comments online from Glasgow fans feeling a bit hacked off, saying the SRU are always more focussed on Edinburgh and there’s rarely players sent from Edinburgh to Glasgow, but several the other way


tough :greengrin




anyway


i thought Edinburgh had really blown it there against Connaught with it heading for a draw in the last few minutes, done well to get it up the other end then a nice drop goal from the line-out to win it 25-22

ben healy had a pretty good game apart from the two missed conversion attempts


Glasgow winning 31-23 at Ospreys earlier

[Sylar]

I don't understand why we went to the drop goal. Team were playing with advantage, and a try would have been a BP!

A good win against a decent Connacht side, but we were very wasteful. First time I've seen Healy miss!

[JimBHibees]

I don't understand why we went to the drop goal. Team were playing with advantage, and a try would have been a BP!

A good win against a decent Connacht side, but we were very wasteful. First time I've seen Healy miss!

That is what i thought. Surely you try and get bonus point knowing you have the pen.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Mmm wonder if this had anything to do with Hogg retiring so early, maybe he was concentrating on someth, erm someone else

goes public with his new squeeze just days after his wife gives birth to their 4th kid, then he refuses to leave the house

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/scots-rugby-star-stuart-hoggs-31451114

[JimBHibees]

Mmm wonder if this had anything to do with Hogg retiring so early, maybe he was concentrating on someth, erm someone else

goes public with his new squeeze just days after his wife gives birth to their 4th kid, then he refuses to leave the house

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/scots-rugby-star-stuart-hoggs-31451114

Classy stuff. Did seem strange his retirement to be honest.

[Sloop67]

Very scrappy performance so far from Edinburgh

[Golden Bear]

Very scrappy performance so far from Edinburgh

On the box it looks like a good sized crowd. It's difficult to predict a winner, nothing in it so far.

[Sloop67]

The more times I see that hit on Schoeman the worse it looks, this should be a red card

[cabbageandribs1875]

i think van der Merwe was a tad lucky not to lose control for that try :greengrin


Edinburgh really shouldn't lose this one now against 14(when the boy returns) 21-13

[cabbageandribs1875]

Glasgow fans will be even more unhappy now with Ali Price going to Edinburgh after Duncan Weir was banned for 3 games(two if he does a course)

[Sloop67]

Edinburgh in control now 28-13 , surely should be able to see this out

[cabbageandribs1875]

28-20

[Sloop67]

Edinburgh in control now 28-13 , surely should be able to see this out

Maybe not , sloppy play from Edinburgh lets the Bulls in 28-20 , 13 minutes to go

[Sloop67]

Edinburgh trying to throw this away

[Sloop67]

Bill Mata a bit lucky not to see red there , another referee may have seen the tackle differently

[Sloop67]

Good win for Edinburgh 31-23

[Sylar]

Great win for us, and first BP. This, and Connacht last week, were games we would have lost last season.

A less than stellar performance from Healy off the tee tonight, but his command of the players around him is exceptional.

Conor Boyle deservedly player of the match.

Be interesting to see what happens with this Ali Price experiment now - looked good for Edinburgh last night when he came on, but with the injury to Dobie for the Warriors, I do wonder if he'll be recalled. Edinburgh have depth with Shiel, Velacott and Steele (though currently injured). Glasgow now pretty much just have Horne?

[Sloop67]

Bennetton making a game of this so far. 14- 9 to Glasgow at halftime

[cabbageandribs1875]

Glasgow move up to 2nd winning 26-12

Edinburgh 5th


i see Alun Wyn Jones went off after 66 mins to a standing ovation for Toulon earlier in his last appearance playing, applauded off by both sides in a 30-27 win at Clermont, most capped player ever in a 19 year career.

[cabbageandribs1875]

final world rankings for 2023 ZealandSpringboks on world rankings summit as final top 20 confirmed for 2023 (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/springboks-on-world-rankings-summit-as-final-top-20-confirmed-for-2023/ar-AA1keWiA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=be42272970c04a34af2bb588e24e8b82&ei=126) 89.80
4 France 87.81
5 England 85.46
6 Scotland 83.43
7 Argentina 80.68
8 Wales 80.64
9 Australia 77.48
10 Fiji 76.38
11 Italy 75.93
12 Japan 74.27
13 Portugal 72.78
14 Georgia 72.68
15 Samoa 72.23
16 Tonga 71.57
17 (18) USA 67.94
18 (17) Uruguay 67.39
19 (20) Romania 63.28
20 (19) Spain 62.86

[cabbageandribs1875]

Blair Kinghorn set to leave Edinburgh for Toulose

[wookie70]

Very poor performance from Edinburgh tonight.

[Golden Bear]

49250 watching Leinster v Munster tonight. It all helps to pay their high wages and goes some way to explain why the Irish teams are so successful. Munster 10-0 up after 15mins.

[Scorrie]

Glasgow fighting back well though their decision making on the pitch is questionable

[Golden Bear]

Warriors win 33-20 against Ulster. A gritty victory if ever there was at what looked like a packed out Scotstoun.

[cabbageandribs1875]

looked like Glasgow were in for a right hammering after just 12 mins and 14 points down, great comeback and nice seeing them sit top at least until next weekend anyway

i didn't realise Ulster had signed Kitshoff


they're in for a heck of a toughie though next friday at Munster and i doubt Edinburgh will get anything in Ulster the following day

[cabbageandribs1875]

Edinburgh win 24-27 but my what a mess at the end allowing Ulster to get the bonus points, a line-out with just 10 seconds remaining and all they have to do is secure and kick it out, instead Mcburny tosses it squint giving it to Ulster instead, Ulster then get another Try. Edinburgh leading 27-12 on 73 mins and they let in two tries + a con.



Munster 40 Glasgow 29 from last night



oh my Connaught just done the exact same at home to Leinster, leading at Home 22-19 with just seconds remaining and they throw a squint line-out which Leinster then go on and score a winning try to win 24-22

[Greenbeard]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67626162
Hmmmm....no doubt there are issues to be addressed, some of which are generic game issues rather than SRU issues, but this white knight aura from the new Chair sounds a bit ingratiating and whiffy. Reminds me of the start of the Munro/McKie era, and their spoutings about how they were going to "drive a train through this place", basically telling all involved you've been ***** and we're here to sort your mess.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67626162
Hmmmm....no doubt there are issues to be addressed, some of which are generic game issues rather than SRU issues, but this white knight aura from the new Chair sounds a bit ingratiating and whiffy. Reminds me of the start of the Munro/McKie era, and their spoutings about how they were going to "drive a train through this place", basically telling all involved you've been ***** and we're here to sort your mess.

Someone close to Edinburgh Rugby told me the club is far from secure as an ongoing concern. The dearth of cash in the game here seems to be a major factor, although surely the SRU makes a hefty amount from the Murrayfield internationals which are always very well attended these days?

[McD]

Someone close to Edinburgh Rugby told me the club is far from secure as an ongoing concern. The dearth of cash in the game here seems to be a major factor, although surely the SRU makes a hefty amount from the Murrayfield internationals which are always very well attended these days?



Reading that article, it says the SRU posted a 10 million loss for this year

[weecounty hibby]

Club rugby in Scotland is ****ed. Dodson will wander off into the sunset with a huge pension on top of his huge salary because he had a set of KPIs that didn't even touch on club rugby. Fill Murrayfield, reducw the iverall debt, have Scotland competing in six nations. That's it. To hell with the grass roots clubs who have kept Scottish rugby going for years. There are traditionally big clubs who can't even get a 2nd XV out regularly on a Saturday anymore but very little effort has gone into sorting that out. In my area at age groups we had Alloa, Hillfoots, Bannockburn, Grangemouth and Falkirk who could all field U 13, 14, 16 and 18s until fairly recently. Then some started to struggle. So the wisdom was to create one team out of 5 clubs and call them the Kelpies and based in Falkirk. That was the easy and cheap option rather than trying to help those five clubs grow their youth set up. So we lost five sets of teams and gained one. Guess what now the Kelpies can't get teams out as there is no identity and the kids that do want to play want to play for their local teams. Shambles and the upper echelons of the SRU are a joke

[weecounty hibby]

Someone close to Edinburgh Rugby told me the club is far from secure as an ongoing concern. The dearth of cash in the game here seems to be a major factor, although surely the SRU makes a hefty amount from the Murrayfield internationals which are always very well attended these days?
The pro teams each cost in excess of 10m per year to run. They both have over 100 Pro players, many of whom dont play regularly and are basically cover for injuries or when guys are away on international duty. Again a badly managed set up from the start as is the super six.

[Greenbeard]

Reading that article, it says the SRU posted a 10 million loss for this year

On top of which this current financial year has the hugely significant hit of there being no Autumn Tests in RWC year. The warm up game income will fall well short of what has become pretty close to three sell-out crowds.

[McD]

On top of which this current financial year has the hugely significant hit of there being no Autumn Tests in RWC year. The warm up game income will fall well short of what has become pretty close to three sell-out crowds.



Yeah that’s a good point. The article also points out that the previous year had 3 home 6 nations matches, plus a number of high profile concerts. Doesn’t look great if that’s all happened and still a 10 million loss, and as you say, in a tougher year just now

[Greenbeard]

Club rugby in Scotland is ****ed. Dodson will wander off into the sunset with a huge pension on top of his huge salary because he had a set of KPIs that didn't even touch on club rugby. Fill Murrayfield, reducw the iverall debt, have Scotland competing in six nations. That's it. To hell with the grass roots clubs who have kept Scottish rugby going for years. There are traditionally big clubs who can't even get a 2nd XV out regularly on a Saturday anymore but very little effort has gone into sorting that out. In my area at age groups we had Alloa, Hillfoots, Bannockburn, Grangemouth and Falkirk who could all field U 13, 14, 16 and 18s until fairly recently. Then some started to struggle. So the wisdom was to create one team out of 5 clubs and call them the Kelpies and based in Falkirk. That was the easy and cheap option rather than trying to help those five clubs grow their youth set up. So we lost five sets of teams and gained one. Guess what now the Kelpies can't get teams out as there is no identity and the kids that do want to play want to play for their local teams. Shambles and the upper echelons of the SRU are a joke
I think you mean competitive. Scotland are competing in the 6 Nations regardless of how good or crap they are, but that's another argument entirely.
He'll no doubt gladly take some credit for Scotland being more competitive these days but that is absolutely hee-haw to do with Dodson.

[JimBHibees]

Yeah that’s a good point. The article also points out that the previous year had 3 home 6 nations matches, plus a number of high profile concerts. Doesn’t look great if that’s all happened and still a 10 million loss, and as you say, in a tougher year just now

Did they not just build the Hive i think it is called. Assume that would have been expensive

[McD]

Did they not just build the Hive i think it is called. Assume that would have been expensive



There a poster on here who goes regularly to Edinburgh matches, I thought it was built a couple of years ago, although could be wrong on that, and also they could still be paying for it

[Sylar]

There a poster on here who goes regularly to Edinburgh matches, I thought it was built a couple of years ago, although could be wrong on that, and also they could still be paying for it

You might mean me? I'm a ST holder.

They built mini-Murray about 3 years ago now (this is our third season playing in it). It's a bit of a 'low-cost' facility, but not entirely inexpensive - can't remember the exact cost though.

[McD]

You might mean me? I'm a ST holder.

They built mini-Murray about 3 years ago now (this is our third season playing in it). It's a bit of a 'low-cost' facility, but not entirely inexpensive - can't remember the exact cost though.


Yeah probably was meaning you mate :aok:


On the wider point, the SRU seem to have been struggling financially for quite a few years now, not really sure how they can get better at bringing in more income, there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of sponsorship opportunities out there for them, is there anything else they can make use of Murrayfield to generate more income? Dunno

[Golden Bear]

Yeah probably was meaning you mate :aok:


On the wider point, the SRU seem to have been struggling financially for quite a few years now, not really sure how they can get better at bringing in more income, there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of sponsorship opportunities out there for them, is there anything else they can make use of Murrayfield to generate more income? Dunno

I don't know the exact situation but from the many moans I hear, the financial problems seem to be exacerbated due to the extravagant salaries which are paid to the top executives.

[McD]

I don't know the exact situation but from the many moans I hear, the financial problems seem to be exacerbated due to the extravagant salaries which are paid to the top executives.



Would any of us be surprised if that is the case…

[heretoday]

They're hyping up the match between Edinburgh and Glasgow, calling it the oldest derby in rugby. Have I missed something here?

[superfurryhibby]

They're hyping up the match between Edinburgh and Glasgow, calling it the oldest derby in rugby. Have I missed something here?

It is, isn’t it? At least the oldest inter district fixture.

[Golden Bear]

It is, isn’t it? At least the oldest inter district fixture.

Correct - hence the trophy for the winners being named as the 1872 cup. It's awarded to the victor on aggregate points - normally over the two designated games. After last night's 22-10 win over Edinburgh, Glasgow Warriors go in to next Saturday's second leg at Murrayfield with a 12 point advantage.

[Greenbeard]

I see Stuart Hogg has been awarded an MBE. I'm sure Mrs Hogg will be delighted for him.
What does MBE stand for again?

[Golden Bear]

Over 37000 at murrayfield today for the second leg of the inter City Cup between Edinburgh Rugby and Glasgow Warriors.

That's an impressive crowd.

[Just_Jimmy]

I see Stuart Hogg has been awarded an MBE. I'm sure Mrs Hogg will be delighted for him.
What does MBE stand for again?Member of the order of the British Empire.

I assume its for services to rugby and not to do with his personal life?

Well done to Hogg. He was a top player and his personal life is nothing to do with, and of no interest to me.

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[He's here!]

JPR Williams has passed away. A real rugby icon from my childhood.

[McD]

JPR Williams has passed away. A real rugby icon from my childhood.

A man about whom the word ‘Legend’ is wholly appropriately

[JimBHibees]

JPR Williams has passed away. A real rugby icon from my childhood.

Fantastic player and magnificent sideburns. Pretty sure he was a doctor. RIP

[nellio]

An incredible player in his day. One of the very very best.

Yes was definitely a Dr too. Used to get told about how good he was when I was a kid.

[McD]

Fantastic player and magnificent sideburns. Pretty sure he was a doctor. RIP


An incredible player in his day. One of the very very best.

Yes was definitely a Dr too. Used to get told about how good he was when I was a kid.



An orthopaedic surgeon. Also continued to play rugby for his local club for a long time after retiring

[He's here!]

An orthopaedic surgeon. Also continued to play rugby for his local club for a long time after retiring

He also won the British Junior Tennis Championships and could have turned pro but his dad was an amateur sports aficionado and told him being a professional sportsman wasn't a proper job.

[McD]

He also won the British Junior Tennis Championships and could have turned pro but his dad was an amateur sports aficionado and told him being a professional sportsman wasn't a proper job.



Yep, a very talented man

[HH81]

RL fan here. Watched last 5 mins of Exeter v Glasgow on ITV other day.

Big call made at the end of the game? I'm not sure about scrums but for me the player made an error and Glasgow scored. Feels like video ref and the actual ref was desperate to check absolutely everything to find an issue to disallow the try.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Grant Gilchrist suspended for the Six Nations opener in Wales for picking up two yellow cards in the one game for Edinburgh, missed the last two games in last seasons Six nations also due to suspension.

[JimBHibees]

Grant Gilchrist suspended for the Six Nations opener in Wales for picking up two yellow cards in the one game for Edinburgh, missed the last two games in last seasons Six nations also due to suspension.

Seems odd he should miss an international game for two yellows in domestic game appreciate would be different if straight red for violent conduct

[weecounty hibby]

Seems odd he should miss an international game for two yellows in domestic game appreciate would be different if straight red for violent conduct
In rugby it is just banned from playing. Regardless if the competition. I remember when a sending off meant that you weren't even allowed to train or enter your clubhouse. I m that old!!

[Mcbizz1998]

Anyone off to Cardiff this weekend? We are off on Friday morning, flying to London and then train to Cardiff.

Quietly very confident about the result - Scotland superior all over the park, all about forgetting the history of Cardiff and turning up on the day.

[weecounty hibby]

We leave Alloa Town Hall at 7am on Thursday. 40 of us from Alloa Rugby Club on a cultural exchange!! Heading to Swansea as usual.

[Mcbizz1998]

We leave Alloa Town Hall at 7am on Thursday. 40 of us from Alloa Rugby Club on a cultural exchange!! Heading to Swansea as usual.


Haha! That sounds like some trip! Enjoy mate!

[Golden Bear]

We leave Alloa Town Hall at 7am on Thursday. 40 of us from Alloa Rugby Club on a cultural exchange!! Heading to Swansea as usual.

And here's me thinking that the great Welsh weekend invasions (both ways) were fast becoming a thing of the past

👍🍻

[weecounty hibby]

Haha! That sounds like some trip! Enjoy mate!
Yip, off to Italy with my wife in a few weeks too. Completely different trips!!!!

[weecounty hibby]

And here's me thinking that the great Welsh weekend invasions (both ways) were fast becoming a thing of the past

👍🍻

Nah, obviously not so much as it was. No crowds of 100,000+ anymore but there will still be 10 to 15,000 down in Wales and they will bring up the same or more to Murrayfield

[Jones28]

Really looking forward to the tournament starting. I love this time of year. 6 nations, days getting longer, spring bulbs and gardens coming back to life.

Wales should be beatable.

We’ve been watching Full Contact on Netflix, first episode is Scotland and the Finn Russell show.

[Mcbizz1998]

Really looking forward to the tournament starting. I love this time of year. 6 nations, days getting longer, spring bulbs and gardens coming back to life.

Wales should be beatable.

We’ve been watching Full Contact on Netflix, first episode is Scotland and the Finn Russell show.

Agree Wales are beatable. Usually I try to convince myself of Scotland wins - 'if we can keep it close into the last 20 mins', 'if our scrum can hold up ok', 'if Finn turns up on the day'. Not this time, we are simply a more settled and better team than them, as last years result showed. That doesn't mean we win but the only reason I see us losing is if we basically bottle it. Having been at Twickenham last year, and seeing the other hoodoo's that have been broken away from home in recent times - I think we need to trust the players to deliver a result. Can't wait to get down there on Friday morning, this week has dragged belong belief!

[Sylar]

Agree Wales are beatable. Usually I try to convince myself of Scotland wins - 'if we can keep it close into the last 20 mins', 'if our scrum can hold up ok', 'if Finn turns up on the day'. Not this time, we are simply a more settled and better team than them, as last years result showed. That doesn't mean we win but the only reason I see us losing is if we basically bottle it. Having been at Twickenham last year, and seeing the other hoodoo's that have been broken away from home in recent times - I think we need to trust the players to deliver a result. Can't wait to get down there on Friday morning, this week has dragged belong belief!

Agree with all of this - but that road through Dublin to potentially win it removes any hope I have. We're capable of beating Wales away, England and France at home, Italy away...I just don't see how we deal with Ireland in their own back yard. OK, they're a changed side vs last year with some players retiring (most notably Sexton) but they're such a formidable opponent, I just can't see it...especially after the humbling we got in the World Cup!

Looking forward to this opening weekend though - heading to the Fox and Faun in the West End for Saturday's games!

[Mcbizz1998]

Agree with all of this - but that road through Dublin to potentially win it removes any hope I have. We're capable of beating Wales away, England and France at home, Italy away...I just don't see how we deal with Ireland in their own back yard. OK, they're a changed side vs last year with some players retiring (most notably Sexton) but they're such a formidable opponent, I just can't see it...especially after the humbling we got in the World Cup!

Looking forward to this opening weekend though - heading to the Fox and Faun in the West End for Saturday's games!

I agree on Ireland but they have to go to France on Friday night, so a loss to them in Dublin might not be fatal for Scotland. Anyway, probably getting ahead of ourselves here, it’s Scotland after all!😂 Let’s see what the weekend brings but I’m travelling in expectation as opposed to my usual hope/blind optimism.

Enjoy the games mate, hopefully we can get ahead of ourselves again on Saturday night 👍

[Sylar]

I agree on Ireland but they have to go to France on Friday night, so a loss to them in Dublin might not be fatal for Scotland. Anyway, probably getting ahead of ourselves here, it’s Scotland after all!😂 Let’s see what the weekend brings but I’m travelling in expectation as opposed to my usual hope/blind optimism.

Enjoy the games mate, hopefully we can get ahead of ourselves again on Saturday night 👍

I am hoping France hand them a heavy defeat (as if that scenario does play out, points will be a deciding factor), but you're right, knowing Scotland it could just as easily be over by 7pm on Saturday night :greengrin. Like you though, I'm optimistic we can go to Cardiff this weekend and win. I almost ended up getting tickets and heading down but decided against it at the last minute - it's one away trip I'm keen to make with Scotland, as I'd love to hear the atmosphere of the Principality one day - the Welsh are probably the least obnoxious of the other Six Nations' fans.

Enjoy the trip! Hope you're partying well into Saturday night.

[cabbageandribs1875]

22 years(11 attempts) since Scotland last won in Cardiff



get it sorted Foley

[HibbyAndy]

I'm not a massive Rugby fan but i do enjoy Rugby when it's the 6 nations , Scotland are favourites to win in Wales tomorrow ! WOW !! i thought Wales were one of the best teams in the world :confused:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

France getting ripped a new one here so far, 3-15.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

France getting ripped a new one here so far, 3-15.

France down to 14 players.

[Just Alf]

France down to 14 players.Ooft... uphill struggle for them now

[Jones28]

Second yellow for France, can’t remember seeing that before but it’s not good!

Getting pumped as well.

[Jones28]

Brilliant from France.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Try in injury time brings it back to 10-17.

[Jim44]

France were incredibly slow getting into the game but, even down to 14, I think they’re in a position to give Ireland a game in the second half. I think Ireland will hold on to win but they could have been out of sight, given their possession and dominance in the first half. Great game for the neutral.

[Golden Bear]

Ireland out of sight now, France have rarely been in this game albeit the early red card didn't help their cause.

[Sylar]

Ireland out of sight now, France have rarely been in this game albeit the early red card didn't help their cause.

I fear that applies to the entire tournament now. I don't see who beats them.

Game 1, week 1, and I already feel it's all over.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I fear that applies to the entire tournament now. I don't see who beats them.

Game 1, week 1, and I already feel it's all over.

That would have probably been the case whoever won tonight. If france won they would have been heavy favourites for the championship

[Jim44]

Good start from Italy …. 10-0

[Jones28]

Lovely try Italy, 15-8 now.

[stokesmessiah]

At least we have Scotland to cheer us up!

[cabbageandribs1875]

we're determined to let Wales back in this :greengrin


another welsh try back 12-27


lets see what yer made of now Scotland



another sin bin coming soon


and there it is


and of course another try follows, we've absolutely s*at it here, once again in cardiff

[Jim44]

Wales could win this. Scotland have lost the plot.

[Just_Jimmy]

George Turner with a stupid yellow card has changed this whole game.

Absolutely shat it here.

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[Jones28]

**** me this is unreal

[Jones28]

Imagine being a Scottish Hibs fan tonight eh?

[cabbageandribs1875]

and another so embarrassing this 26-27 from 0-27 professionals

[Scorrie]

We’ve ****** this up and shat it. Coming on top of the Hibs “performance” as well. Had better sporting Saturdays!

[cabbageandribs1875]

scotland not releasing


AGAIN


14 penalties in a row, quite astonishing

[Jim44]

If Carlsberg did bad weekends, it couldn’t get any worse. Scotland are doing their best to lose this.

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh my ******* god at that throw, amateur

[cabbageandribs1875]

i think we teased the welsh too much there :greengrin

good win but my goodness how unlucky for the welsh

[Scorrie]

Bloody hell that was close. Did our best to throw it away. Nae wonder I have grey hair

[Just_Jimmy]

That second half was a disgrace.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

deflating defeat for the welsh but they should be proud at the same time, takes bottle...helped of course by a side that gave away 14 penalties in a row

[Scottie]

Too close for comfort. 2nd half dreadful but not as dreadful as Johnathon Davies commentary. I had to turn the sound down. Meant to be Impartial babbling idiot :grr:

Next week massive test against a wounded France.

[McD]

Too close for comfort. 2nd half dreadful but not as dreadful as Johnathon Davies commentary. I had to turn the sound down. Meant to be Impartial babbling idiot :grr:

Next week massive test against a wounded France.



Can’t stand the man, he’s pathetic! As the second half got on he started coaching the Welsh team from a distance, and later loudly groaned when the Welsh were penalised for a forward pass.

The absolute worst for biased commentary

[Scottie]

Can’t stand the man, he’s pathetic! As the second half got on he started coaching the Welsh team from a distance, and later loudly groaned when the Welsh were penalised for a forward pass.

The absolute worst for biased commentary

What really upsets me he was fortunate enough to sit along side the best in Bill McClaren and learn how a proper man commentates sure Bill would be shaking his head at how JD has turned out. Mind you the Welsh are all the same they only sing when they win. Wont be much singing in the valleys tonight giruy :greengrin

[weecounty hibby]

Just left the stadium and can't belive we didn't win by 30 and get a bonus point. Wales changes at 2, 9 and 10 made all the difference but we started to panic. Russell went from looking line the best 10 in the world to looking like an amateur. He shouldn't be captain either. Anyhoo, the grand slam is still on!!

[Mcbizz1998]

Just left the stadium and can't belive we didn't win by 30 and get a bonus point. Wales changes at 2, 9 and 10 made all the difference but we started to panic. Russell went from looking line the best 10 in the world to looking like an amateur. He shouldn't be captain either. Anyhoo, the grand slam is still on!!

Interested to hear why he shouldn’t be the captain?

I’ve just got back the hotel bar and I need a lie down. Only Scotland can do that to you (and Hibernian!!). But we won, 22 years later, another monkey off the back. Well done Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[HibbyAndy]

Too close for comfort. 2nd half dreadful but not as dreadful as Johnathon Davies commentary. I had to turn the sound down. Meant to be Impartial babbling idiot :grr:

Next week massive test against a wounded France.

:agree:


He should be called out for that by the way !! Ment to be neutral when it comes to commentary , All you kept hearing was his whining voice saying ' Cmon then wales '...'Drive ' 'cmon lets go ' Bang out of order


Nae luck :smug:

[weecounty hibby]

Interested to hear why he shouldn’t be the captain?

I’ve just got back the hotel bar and I need a lie down. Only Scotland can do that to you (and Hibernian!!). But we won, 22 years later, another monkey off the back. Well done Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I'd have him concentrating on his game rather than speaking to the ref every couple of minutes. The best players don't always make the best captains.

[Jones28]

I'd have him concentrating on his game rather than speaking to the ref every couple of minutes. The best players don't always make the best captains.

Should be left to play his game, not really sure why Ritchie was stripped of captaincy but seems a weird decision unless it was requested by the player himself.

[JimBHibees]

Should be left to play his game, not really sure why Ritchie was stripped of captaincy but seems a weird decision unless it was requested by the player himself.

Agree Ritchie much better captain material

[Sylar]

Thank **** for a free bar while watching us tonight, or I'd have been inconsolable that second half.

Worst 40 minutes I've endured watching Scotland. Thank **** we won in the end!

[CropleyWasGod]

Bet the guy whoi chucked the ball into the crowd feels a bit foolish this morning.

[Mcbizz1998]

Should be left to play his game, not really sure why Ritchie was stripped of captaincy but seems a weird decision unless it was requested by the player himself.

Ritchie was stripped because he isn’t a guaranteed starter anymore (Darge starts when fit) and has a bad habit of getting on the wrong side of the referee. Russell is the opposite, refs like him. Not sure it impacted his game, he was unreal in the first 45 mins.

[Sylar]

I hope those who kept repeatedly giving away penalties despite warnings from Finn are facing some hard questions in the aftermath. Their ill-discipline a large part of why we nearly collapsed. Especially Sione!

Losing Gray didn’t help us and hopefully Darge is fit for next week.

[cabbageandribs1875]

sad to read Wales legend Barry John has died, 79

[Mcbizz1998]

sad to read Wales legend Barry John has died, 79

Yep, very sad. They showed JPR highlights before the game in Cardiff yesterday, found myself feeling quite emotional despite not being Welsh or even being alive with JPR was playing. Barry John gone now too, 2 legends of the game.

[McD]

Yep, very sad. They showed JPR highlights before the game in Cardiff yesterday, found myself feeling quite emotional despite not being Welsh or even being alive with JPR was playing. Barry John gone now too, 2 legends of the game.



I know what you mean, reading and seeing what they meant to welsh rugby and world rugby, even without ever seeing them play, is emotive.

[Mcbizz1998]

These stats are crazy.

https://x.com/topofthemoonGW/status/1754135445569433767?s=20

Scotland conceded 16 penalties in a row whilst Wales didn’t concede a single one for 60 minutes! And one of them was Adams chucking the ball into the crowd, so Wales didn’t concede a penalty from open play for 72 minutes!!!? That is absolutely insane, serious questions need to be asked about that referee because penalty counts like that just do not happen in pro rugby. Especially as Scotland were dominating the game for that first half.

It felt at he game that we are getting nothing from O’Keefe but I can’t believe those stats. Fair play Scotland, 14 men for a quarter of the game and against either a cheat or incompetent ref - good win!

[He's here!]

Yep, very sad. They showed JPR highlights before the game in Cardiff yesterday, found myself feeling quite emotional despite not being Welsh or even being alive with JPR was playing. Barry John gone now too, 2 legends of the game.

I didn't see Barry John play, but JPR was a titan of the game when I was a kid. That Welsh side of the 70s could be terrifying!

[Just_Jimmy]

Crosbie and Gray both out for the rest of the competition.

Pisser.

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[Mcbizz1998]

Crosbie and Gray both out for the rest of the competition.

Pisser.

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Yeah, not good. Darge is back this week so our back row should still be good. Gilchrist back from ban, would imagine he comes in for Gray, bit if a downgrade on that front imo.

[Greenbeard]

Yeah, not good. Darge is back this week so our back row should still be good. Gilchrist back from ban, would imagine he comes in for Gray, bit if a downgrade on that front imo.

Big surprise to see Ritchie drop out of the squad esp with Crosbie’s enforced absence.

[Bakerman]

Looking forward to seeing how Scotland do when they take on France today. We all know France are world class, but hopefully, we can give a good account of ourselves today.

[Jones28]

Good start from Scotland.

My sons namesake Harry Paterson has us very excited.

[Jones28]

Jeeeeeez how did we get nothing from that!

[Just_Jimmy]

We've had 10 mins with an extra man almost and we've not come away with ANY points...



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[Jones28]

Ah *****.

Can see this slipping away now.

[Aldo]

Scotland once again fail to take chances and France out of nowhere score.

Not taking the or salty just before HT coming back to haunt us so far.

Still time but need to step it up

[Aldo]

Ah *****.

Can see this slipping away now.

Poor decision making and not running it enough second half costing us here.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

France go 4 up, what a strange game this has been.

[Bakerman]

Surely a try there for Scotland. Hard done by I feel.

[Keyser Sauzee]

That has to be a try

[stokesmessiah]

Absolute nonsense

[weecounty hibby]

That is ****ing disgusting!

[Jones28]

How the **** is that not a try?

**** sake that’s a real punch to the guts

[weecounty hibby]

Wales, get that, England get that, France get that, SA get that, NZ get that. We are easy to give against. Absolutely disgraceful.

[stokesmessiah]

They desperate to not give that…the TMO said it’s on the ground and then said let me look again

[Scorrie]

A shocking decision. Ref and video ref bottled it. Decisions go for the big countries?

[Jones28]

They were desperate not to give that.

[weecounty hibby]

TMO actually gave a try and then said let me take another look. Oh, hard on. France with 0 wins Scotland with 2. Can't have that, erm no try, inconclusive. Bull****

[LunasBoots]

The officials know its a try, the TMO was about to give it until he realised the rules dont allow him to give it, real pisstake, just shows VAR doesnt work in Rugby either.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

What a boot in the balls that decision is. 😢

[Bakerman]

They were desperate not to give that.

One of the tv angles clearly showed the ball bouncing off the ground. Should have been given.

[blackpoolhibs]

That is just pure cheating, the camera clearly shows the ball bouncing off the turf. :rolleyes:

[Itsnoteasy]

That is just pure cheating, the camera clearly shows the ball bouncing off the turf. :rolleyes:

So VAR disnae work at rugby either 🙄

[blackpoolhibs]

So VAR disnae work at rugby either 🙄
:agree:

[Just_Jimmy]

I'm quick to slate rugby refs but that is criminal.

Absolutely gutted

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[Mcbizz1998]

Not sure what to say about that. I feel genuinely sick, it’s hard to say that’s not cheating.

I hope Townsend calls it out in the strongest possible terms.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm quick to slate rugby refs but that is criminal.

Absolutely gutted

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Not sure what to say about that. I feel genuinely sick, it’s hard to say that’s not cheating.

I hope Townsend calls it out in the strongest possible terms.

I'm not the biggest rugby fan in the world, but i thought they were different to football and gave the right decisions without bias, but that today is just blatent cheating.

[grunt]

Paddy Power have given free bets for anyone who had money on Scotland to win.

[cabbageandribs1875]

ok just watched the recording, after much tooing and frooing you can clearly hear the referee then saying so i can give it, THEN the TMO changed his mind to go back yet again, who the **** was that TMO

the french would riot if that was denied in paris, but then again the TMO would have given it

[Greenbeard]

The officials know its a try, the TMO was about to give it until he realised the rules dont allow him to give it, real pisstake, just shows VAR doesnt work in Rugby either.
Eh? Ref has to make the final decision but he can, on the advice of the TMO, change his on-field decision. (He did that earlier in the game when replays showed it was a Scotland player who last touched the ball before France grounded it over their own line, rather than the French player.)
Looked pretty conclusive to me that the ball was grounded. In fact the TMO said as much, then decides to have another look - as if someone had a word in his ear - and says it's not conclusive.
World Rugby's TMO protocol states:
"The protocol aims to deal in the space commonly defined as CLEAR & OBVIOUS. For clarity purposes, this is defined as an incident that is unlikely (my emphasis) to be refereed in anyother way."
So it does not have to be absolutely 100% conclusive that the ball was grounded. It was clear and obvious that it was likely that the ball was grounded therefore the on-field decision should have been changed and a try awarded.

[Mcbizz1998]

Feels like 2015 QF v Australia all over again. Very quickly the narrative is turning from how this was a terrible decision by a referee and TMO to - ‘sCoTlAnD oNlY hAvE tHeMsElVeS tO bLaMe!!!’

What Scotland did up to that moment is absolutely ****ing irrelevant. They got themselves in a position to win a Test match, and scored a try which wasn’t given by a truly awful referee and his Irish TMO. It’s an appalling decision, absolutely disgraceful. The TMO actually tells him it’s grounded and then changes his mind ffs. They cost Scotland a win, plain and simple.

[Just_Jimmy]

Feels like 2015 QF v Australia all over again. Very quickly the narrative is turning from how this was a terrible decision by a referee and TMO to - ‘sCoTlAnD oNlY hAvE tHeMsElVeS tO bLaMe!!!’

What Scotland did up to that moment is absolutely ****ing irrelevant. They got themselves in a position to win a Test match, and scored a try which wasn’t given by a truly awful referee and his Irish TMO. It’s an appalling decision, absolutely disgraceful. The TMO actually tells him it’s grounded and then changes his mind ffs. They cost Scotland a win, plain and simple.Correct. It's cheating clear and simple.

It wouldn't have happened to anyone else in the tournament apart from Italy.

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[He's here!]

Correct. It's cheating clear and simple.

It wouldn't have happened to anyone else in the tournament apart from Italy.

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I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

[JohnM1875]

I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

Is it a poor decision?

I'll admit, I don't really know much about rugby, only recently started watching it a few years ago after hating it at school cause we weren't allowed a football team. But the mates I watched it with today all love it and watch a lot of it.

Before the review my mate was saying it'll be reviewed but needs to be without any reasonable doubt. From what I saw not a single replay actually showed the ball touching the ground? I mean, we all thought it did. But you couldn't see it for sure?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Is it a poor decision?

I'll admit, I don't really know much about rugby, only recently started watching it a few years ago after hating it at school cause we weren't allowed a football team. But the mates I watched it with today all love it and watch a lot of it.

Before the review my mate was saying it'll be reviewed but needs to be without any reasonable doubt. From what I saw not a single replay actually showed the ball touching the ground? I mean, we all thought it did. But you couldn't see it for sure?

I thought there was one angle that showed the ball on the ground, the TMO talked himself out of it though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

"I believe it was a try," said Scotland captain Finn Russell. "But it's up to the referee."

Exasperated head coach Gregor Townsend added: "We were celebrating in the coaches' box. We could hear the TMO's conversation with the referee, saying 'the ball was on the foot, then the ball was down' and then he changes his mind and says 'stick with the on-field decision'. I don't know what you can say."

[Just_Jimmy]

I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.Not necessarily against Scotland or Italy as malice intended, just that we're small rugby nations and easy to fob off and silence.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Is it a poor decision?

I'll admit, I don't really know much about rugby, only recently started watching it a few years ago after hating it at school cause we weren't allowed a football team. But the mates I watched it with today all love it and watch a lot of it.

Before the review my mate was saying it'll be reviewed but needs to be without any reasonable doubt. From what I saw not a single replay actually showed the ball touching the ground? I mean, we all thought it did. But you couldn't see it for sure?


I thought there was one angle that showed the ball on the ground, the TMO talked himself out of it though.

Does this help? The ball is in the middle of the photo, on top of some green stuff.

27682

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Does this help? The ball is in the middle of the photo, on top of some green stuff.

27682

That is indeed the one. 😫

[JohnM1875]

Does this help? The ball is in the middle of the photo, on top of some green stuff.

27682

Not really. They reviewed that angle

[Sylar]

I’m still utterly livid. I can’t articulate anything.

Farce.

[Mcbizz1998]

I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

Same agenda we see in Scottish football. Smaller nations aren’t given big decisions, think the arse cheeks v anyone else in Scotland. France and England are the big 2 in the 6 nations - That try ends the frogs tournament, Berry either bottled it or cheated.

[Steve-O]

Is it a poor decision?

I'll admit, I don't really know much about rugby, only recently started watching it a few years ago after hating it at school cause we weren't allowed a football team. But the mates I watched it with today all love it and watch a lot of it.

Before the review my mate was saying it'll be reviewed but needs to be without any reasonable doubt. From what I saw not a single replay actually showed the ball touching the ground? I mean, we all thought it did. But you couldn't see it for sure?

It is absolutely 100% on the ground.

[McD]

Same agenda we see in Scottish football. Smaller nations aren’t given big decisions, think the arse cheeks v anyone else in Scotland. France and England are the big 2 in the 6 nations - That try ends the frogs tournament, Berry either bottled it or cheated.



Ireland are favoured for the championship, if not the slam. France have already lost a game, wales and italy not really at the races, and England looking less than settled. I’m not saying Scotland were in with a big chance of the championship, but I find it odd that we’ve brought in southern hemisphere refs, but not TMOs. Why did we have an Irish TMO, who then manages a decision that could have put us on 2 wins before any other team, where there is at least one angle showing the ball grounded, which he states clearly, then walks it back and claims there is no evidence.

Maybe it sounds paranoid, but it smells.

[JimBHibees]

That is just pure cheating, the camera clearly shows the ball bouncing off the turf. :rolleyes:

Nothing else but cheating wtaf. Was at the game and you could clearly see the ball on the turf in the angles they were shown on the screen. Didn't hear the chat between the ref and Irish var guy but watched the replay this morning and sounded like they were desperate not to give it. Looked also like Berry had a clear view at the time. What more evidence did they need other than seeing the ball on the turf. Chat from pundits about you need to be 100 per cent nonsense that was 100 per cent. Bit like the quarter final World Cup debacle back in the day or even some of the calls in the World Cup particularly the South African red which should have been awarded in pool game.

[JimBHibees]

I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

Big teams get decisions like every other sport. That is genuinely mind blowing that decision

[JimBHibees]

Not really. They reviewed that angle

Which shows the ball on the ground

[JimBHibees]

Had a small bet on Scotland with Paddy power and see i was given a free bet and they called it a Justice refund. :greengrin

[He's here!]

Same agenda we see in Scottish football. Smaller nations aren’t given big decisions, think the arse cheeks v anyone else in Scotland. France and England are the big 2 in the 6 nations - That try ends the frogs tournament, Berry either bottled it or cheated.

We're hardly minnows of the game. Think we're ranked sixth in the world. And Ireland, with a smaller population, are right up there with the best on the planet. With a better organised domestic structure Scotland could come close to bridging that gap.

[DaveF]

We're hardly minnows of the game. Think we're ranked sixth in the world. And Ireland, with a smaller population, are right up there with the best on the planet. With a better organised domestic structure Scotland could come close to bridging that gap.

6th out of what, 12 countries that take rugby seriously. We are minnows in terms of that scale.

[He's here!]

6th out of what, 12 countries that take rugby seriously. We are minnows in terms of that scale.

Doesn't really work that way in rugby. If it did New Zealand and Ireland, with similar populations to Scotland, wouldn't be in the world's top 3. It's down to domestic infrastructure which has been woefully mismanaged in Scotland.

[Just_Jimmy]

Ireland are favoured for the championship, if not the slam. France have already lost a game, wales and italy not really at the races, and England looking less than settled. I’m not saying Scotland were in with a big chance of the championship, but I find it odd that we’ve brought in southern hemisphere refs, but not TMOs. Why did we have an Irish TMO, who then manages a decision that could have put us on 2 wins before any other team, where there is at least one angle showing the ball grounded, which he states clearly, then walks it back and claims there is no evidence.

Maybe it sounds paranoid, but it smells.Just cos you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not cheating *******s.

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[Smartie]

I rarely watch rugby (and didn’t watch this whole match) but put it on earlier in the game and actually noted that I thought it was being referred well - and that relative to football it looked quite easy to referee well.

Oh well.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Walk in the park for Ireland 36-0.

[MKHIBEE]

I rarely watch rugby (and didn’t watch this whole match) but put it on earlier in the game and actually noted that I thought it was being referred well - and that relative to football it looked quite easy to referee well.

Oh well.
He didn’t give the answer that we wanted him to

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/68282213

Six Nations 2024: Scotland seek admission of officials' error from World Rugby

[WeeRussell]

Doesn't really work that way in rugby. If it did New Zealand and Ireland, with similar populations to Scotland, wouldn't be in the world's top 3. It's down to domestic infrastructure which has been woefully mismanaged in Scotland.

Or the fact that a far bigger proportion of those two’s populations really care about rugby?

[He's here!]

Or the fact that a far bigger proportion of those two’s populations really care about rugby?

Yeh, that certainly applies to New Zealand, but the phenomenal surge in rugby's popularity (and consequent success) in Ireland has really only happened in the last 10-15 years and owes much to the superb coaching and player development structure they've worked so hard to embed. Not so long ago (particularly prior to Italy's arrival) you'd earmark the Ireland games as the ones Scotland would fancy their chances in. Now it's their hardest fixture.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Glasgow v Dragons, what a start for the home side after 30 seconds 7-0


make that 14-0 after 3+ mins

[Golden Bear]

Glasgow v Dragons, what a start for the home side after 30 seconds 7-0


make that 14-0 after 3+ mins

21-0 half time. Both teams are missing a load of their best players due to the 6 nations and injuries. Its all been a bit flat after the opening 5 mins.

[Sylar]

Glasgow's handling worse than your average HGV at times. Just as well Dragons are abysmal.

[cabbageandribs1875]

21-0 half time. Both teams are missing a load of their best players due to the 6 nations and injuries. Its all been a bit flat after the opening 5 mins.

i quite enjoyed that :greengrin not good for Welsh rugby seeing their regional sides occupying four out of the bottom seven positions with two of them in the bottom three.

Glasgow up to 2nd and Edinburgh in 5th

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Darcy Graham ruled out of Saturday's game v England due to a new injury sustained during training for Edinburgh.

[Mcbizz1998]

Ritchie, Kinghorn and Steyn all back and start for Scotland this weekend. Very nearly full strength and best team we could field considering injuries imo.

[cabbageandribs1875]

mon Sconnie Botland gie thum laldy

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[cabbageandribs1875]

FT Ireland 31 Wales 7

[cabbageandribs1875]

6 mins







Try Scotland 0-5 EnglandGeorge Furbank

Like a hot knife through butter.

0-7

[Aldo]

6 mins







Try Scotland 0-5 EnglandGeorge Furbank

Like a hot knife through butter.

0-7



Way too many mistakes already from Scotland. England have us sussed so far.

Scotland’s discipline, handling and decision making has been so poor.

[Jones28]

Awful start. Clumsy and careless.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Way too many mistakes already from Scotland. England have us sussed so far.

Scotland’s discipline, handling and decision making has been so poor.


i missed the first 10 mins, i fancied england to win and stuck a few quid on them at +4


and as i type try Scotland, great follow up play :greengrin lovely conversion

[Aldo]

i missed the first 10 mins, i fancied england to win and stuck a few quid on them at +4

As you type Huw Jones break. Try for VDM

[cabbageandribs1875]

wonderful try :thumbsup: and conversion again


14-10 the good guys

[Aldo]

wonderful try :thumbsup: and conversion again


14-10 the good guys

Pass and the finish [emoji108]

Huw Jones has been immense

[cabbageandribs1875]

penalty 17-10

[Aldo]

penalty 17-10

Drop Goal 17-13

[Jones28]

17-13 England drop goal.

[cabbageandribs1875]

drop goal england, i can't even remember any other sides even attempting drop goals in the modern game


17-13

[cabbageandribs1875]

scotland will eventually get penalised with the slowing down for our line-outs

[cabbageandribs1875]

tuipulotu will be a miss


that was poor from scotland

england win another turnover 4-1 now


brilliant from Redpath and then again VDW try :thumbsup: great conversion again 24-13

still a long way to go

penalty england 24-16












luckily all Scotland errors are not getting punished, for now

penalty Scotland 27-16

get the next points and i'll be confident :)

penalty Scotland 30-16 brilliant kicking from russell today


yet another mistake by scotland from the english restart this time punished try england, england right back in it, thankfully con missed 30-21


we're not helping ourselves here

scrum Scotland 9 mins remaining

VDM sin binned just as he gets player of the match


should see this out now :saltireflag

[Aldo]

tuipulotu will be a miss


that was poor from scotland

england win another turnover 4-1 now


brilliant from Redpath and then again VDW try :thumbsup: great conversion again 24-13

still a long way to go

penalty england 24-16


luckily all Scotland errors are not getting punished, for now

penalty Scotland 27-16

get the next points and i'll be confident :)

penalty Scotland 30-16 brilliant kicking from russell today


yet another mistake by scotland from the english restart this time punished try england, england right back in it, thankfully con missed 30-21


we're not helping ourselves here

scrum Scotland 9 mins remaining

Huge 5 plus minutes. England have brought on pace and it has worked.

Another bit of indiscipline from Scotland. We need some possession and try to slow game down.

England on the front foot.

Nerves starting to kick in

Once again superb ruck but drop the ball

[cabbageandribs1875]

only that Irish TMO has stopped us having a three out of three

[Golden Bear]

Phew - nae sweat really in the end 😅

What a strange game, it was littered with knock ons and there was no real pattern of play but in the end we just merited the win thanks to Finn's immaculate kicking and of course Duhan's brilliant hat trick of tries.

What a magnificent stadium Murrayfield is when it's rammed to capacity like it was today.

[cabbageandribs1875]

aw man that lassie that screams over the sound system at murrayfield

[Golden Bear]

aw man that lassie that screams over the sound system at murrayfield

She does ma head in to put it mildly.

[JimBHibees]

only that Irish TMO has stopped us having a three out of three

Yep the ramifications from that now clearer. Great win for Scotland Duhan has such a brilliant record v England

[Mcbizz1998]

Just about recovered. What a day at Murrayfield! Duhan is quite simply unbelievable, whoever identified him and got him over here deserves a knighthood!

[cabbageandribs1875]

ooohh 14 man France 13 Italy 13 with 8 mins remaining

[cabbageandribs1875]

Italian penalty and the clocks in the red with a shot at the sticks


aw man hits the post, that's a real bummer for Italy, coulda woulda been a first win for them in France

[cabbageandribs1875]

Yep the ramifications from that now clearer. Great win for Scotland Duhan has such a brilliant record v England


even more so now with France drawing against Italy today

Scotland 2nd at the moment


don't get me wrong i don't think we will beat Ireland but finishing runners-up would have been great

next up, Italy