Gordon, Kensell, Mackay and co..times up

[Hibs90]

Get out.

[SHODAN]

Yup.

Get the **** out of my club and take our entire coaching and playing staff with you. Starting from scratch would be better than this ****ing ****.

[overdrive]

Get them all out of the club. The Gordons are a disgrace. I wish STF told them where to go.

[Bostonhibby]

It's a gang who all seem to think all is barry they all seem to get along, and we've got some nice bars where fans can numb their senses before the game and help add to the CEO's pension fund.

They're going nowhere but a succession of fall guy managers will continue to be.

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[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Get to **** and hurry up about it 🖕

[Pretty Boy]

The golden shower quadrangle.

Failure after failure after failure.

[Steve20]

The Gordon’s have been awful for us. Truly disgraceful.

But you can’t just tell them to go. They own the club.

[GreenCastle]

Lose next week and wouldn’t be surprised if there is a protest outside the main stand.

[Hibees1973]

It has got to the point that with 10 mins to go I was wondering whose turn is it now to F it up.

Step forward Newell & Bursik.

We can't just sit back and allow these outsiders (Ian Gordon/Kensell/MacKay) allow the club to the dogs and get relegated again.

Protests before, during & after the game next week.

It has to be. Doing nothing is not an option.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Yup.

Get the **** out of my club and take our entire coaching and playing staff with you. Starting from scratch would be better than this ****ing ****.

I think we may have difficulty in fulfilling our fixtures with your plan 🤔

[Steve20]

Lose next week and wouldn’t be surprised if there is a protest outside the main stand.

There was no real protest when they pumped us 1-5 in a cup final. Club just went on thinking we’d just carry on, and it led to relegation.

Our fanbase is so beat down it doesn’t do proper protests that make them sit up and notice. Needs to be real protests.

[JohnM1875]

Have to admit. I'm totally done with the lot. Hope something happens and they all leave. So sick of being utterly *****.

[Northernhibee]

If relegation forces them to sell up then it’d be a price worth paying. Get them so far to ****.

[we are hibs]

Gordons have been the worst thing to happen to Hibs this century.

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[Bronson]

It feels like the rot is so deep at the club it's too big to fix. Incredibly depressing and can feel myself losing interest.

[KWJ]

It's all MacKay for me.

He's brought in the defence and the goalies.

[J-C]

Gordon playing FM with Hibs, Kensell won't give up his well paid job, Malky sounding more and more like a con man who's struck it lucky and Gray so far out his depth it's frightening, no wonder the Black Knight group had a big bust up with the board.

[SaulGoodman]

I think we may have difficulty in fulfilling our fixtures with your plan 🤔

Sounds amazing.

[SickBoy32]

Kensell the fraud simply has to go

[Gatecrasher]

The club is rotton to the core, get them all to ****

[Centre Hawf]

**** them. Clear it out from top to bottom. Can't be arsed defending anyone or hearing any defences for them.

[sean04]

Won't happen unless fans unite and chase them. Happy clappers are keeping them in

[SaulGoodman]

Dempster - No sponsor, hospitality crumbling. Good team, sellouts every week.

Kensell - More sponsors than points, cracking hospitality. **** team, attendance crumbling.

What I would give to have Dempster back.

[GreenCastle]

Recruitment !

Absolutely awful.

Wrong CEO

Wrong DOF

Wrong manager

Wrong players

[Hibby70]

What I would give to have Dempster back.

In goals?

[K-Zazu]

Don’t forget David Marshall, although I have no idea what he actually does tbh?

[GreenCastle]

Don’t forget David Marshall, although I have no idea what he actually does tbh?

Recommend the dodgy keeper ??

[JohnM1875]

Don’t forget David Marshall, although I have no idea what he actually does tbh?

That one gets overlooked too easily for. Creating a role just to keep him at the club? What the **** for??

[SaulGoodman]

In goals?

Can’t be any worse off really. They both don’t save anything anyway.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think the Gordons are getting off very easy here, Ron died and that is obviously sad for his family, but he started the rot with some ridiculous decisions football wise.

It gets passed on to the invisible man, who about as much use at owning the club as he was as head of recruitment.

Just **** off and sell to whoever offers you a quid, as thats what we will be worth if you keep the bloody club.

[MWHIBBIES]

I ****ing hate the Gordons. Sell up and **** off you idiots.

[jakedance]

It’s obvious now that the people owning and running the club are t up to the job. I just don’t see any signs they’re going to turn it around.

[Northernhibee]

I ****ing hate the Gordons. Sell up and **** off you idiots.

Seconded.

[One Day Soon]

It’s obvious now that the people owning and running the club are t up to the job. I just don’t see any signs they’re going to turn it around.

It has been obvious for literally years. And people have been told this repeatedly and have had the evidence pile up serially in front of their eyes. But no, almost every time it's 'if we get this result and if that happens and if we just wait for x or y'.

It is exactly what it looks like - an utterly directionless and chaotic cluster**** which is bleeding the club dry.

[SHODAN]

I think we may have difficulty in fulfilling our fixtures with your plan 🤔

We'd only win slightly less games though.

[Hibees1973]

Kit Gordon is the owner.

Why on earth would the Gordon family want to continue to own Hibs. Delusion. The only tangible reason is to sell off the land at Easter Road, pocket the cash and run back to the USA with it. I know they are better than that.

However, tonight there can be no reason they would want to stay. It's a mess and now toxic. Know Tom Farmer is not keeping well, but possibly well enough to know what is going on.

I would recommend the Gordons buy back the Black Knights share (if possible) then announce the club is up for sale and agree to meet any costs until a new responsible owner ponies up. Sack Kensell immediately. Then sack Mackay, McPherson and Gray.

Ask Leeanne Dempster to come back then get her to appoint a new manager and coaching staff.

We need to rid ourselves of The Gordons and the people they have appointed to key positions at the club.

It may get worse before it gets better, but it will be better in the long run.

[Hibs90]

HSL could step up and lead here, if they felt inclined to do so.

[WestCoastHibby]

I think the Gordons are getting off very easy here, Ron died and that is obviously sad for his family, but he started the rot with some ridiculous decisions football wise.

It gets passed on to the invisible man, who about as much use at owning the club as he was as head of recruitment.

Just **** off and sell to whoever offers you a quid, as thats what we will be worth if you keep the bloody club.
Well said; I never wanted Ron Gordon in and just couldn’t fathom why he wanted anything to do with us but he put his money in.
It’s been a total disaster from that point onwards. I’m sick of it

[TrinityHFC]

HSL could step up and lead here, if they felt inclined to do so.

HSL has not exactly been run in a way that suggests they’ve any particular skills in this respect.

We have investors who have experience in running successful sports teams. We should be starting by being led by them on the football side.

[Broxburn Greens]

The Gordon’s have been awful for us. Truly disgraceful.

But you can’t just tell them to go. They own the club.

No but I’m sure we can make them fully aware they are now all “Persona non grata” at Easter Road.

Make them utterly hate coming to ER and maybe they’ll get the message and bolt!

[blackpoolhibs]

No but I’m sure we can make them fully aware they are now all “Persona non grata” at Easter Road.

Make them utterly hate coming to ER and maybe they’ll get the message and bolt!
:agree: They should be hounded every time they set foot through the doors.

[Row H]

:agree: They should be hounded every time they set foot through the doors.

:top marks

[Exuberance1875]

But Ben said we are to “trust the process” scary process if you ask me

[Stokesy's on fire]

I agree with all the names in the title apart from Mackay.

[The Modfather]

Remember when folk were up in arms about the Black Knights disagreeing with Hibs’ annual review and change of strategy that culminated in Gray, Mackay and whatever it is Marshall does? Oh to be able to turn back the clock.

[marinello59]

But Ben said we are to “trust the process” scary process if you ask me

Arrogance personified. He won’t walk while he is milking the club for over 300k a year though.

[Pretty Boy]

But Ben said we are to “trust the process” scary process if you ask me

The process is rip it up and start again every 9-12 months when the last process was proven to be as ineffective as the one before. When it comes to the players and board it's less lions led by donkeys and more donkeys led by single celled amoebas.

I'm sure when we inevitably do the same this summer it will definitely be corner turned though. Maybe we'll lie again and say Mackay's contract was only for a year too.

[Bostonhibby]

But Ben said we are to “trust the process” scary process if you ask meHe has apparently got us some nice bars selling fancy expensive lagers, maybe that's what he was duping us into believing was what the process was all about?

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[NAE NOOKIE]

I have loved football all my life .... f'ing well loved it and always will.

That didn't make me good enough as a player to rise above pub league. It certainly doesn't make me fit to manage a football team and it certainly doesn't make me fit to own a football club.

That's where the Gordon's are at. Enthusiasm is no salve for delusion and that's what they are 'delusional' Hibs have become a disaster on the pitch under their ownership and it's time to sell up and move on. And FFS take McKay and especially Kensell with you.

They have said they have had offers for the club .... FFS accept one and sod off. Even at this stage our farewell will be thanks for trying but it wasn't to be. Stick around any longer and all you will be remembered for is running this club into the ground as a competitive entity and with the utter contempt of it's support .... what there is left of it.

[GreenCastle]

So who can actually sack Kensell ?

[Hibs90]

So who can actually sack Kensell ?

The board, the Gordons.


But they are all besties.

[Bostonhibby]

The board, the Gordons.


But they are all besties.Yep, they're all members of the golden quadrant or jobby coloured triangle or whatever the current bull**** buzzword is around the top table at ER. We have a well populated looking boardroom table but for the life of me I can't recall a worse one, all that might be missing is Duff, and even he was a patsy for an outright crook.

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[1875Sean]

Couldn’t believe it at the time and still don’t understand how a Mackay, a sacked manager at Ross county got the Hibs job, old pals act with the chairman

[ChuckNor]

10000% this. Malky proven he’s out his depth as well. Signings have been shown to be shockingly below the standard. Bursik was clearly the wrong choice and it’s going to cost Gray his job.

Get rid of Kensell and the Gordon’s. A curse on this club.

[Bostonhibby]

Couldn’t believe it at the time and still don’t understand how a Mackay, a sacked manager at Ross county got the Hibs job, old pals act with the chairmanKnowing the mad hatters tea party that is our board they probably came up with a strategy of only employing people called Malcolm going forward, put it to a quick powerpoint for the Golden quadrant of doom and we're off.

Any other dubiously qualified Malcolm's/Malky's kicking their heels at the moment?

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[Hibiza]

So who can actually sack Kensell ?

US.

[Ozyhibby]

These clowns think they know better than the Black Knights consortium and turned their back on them. Bournemouth just beat Arsenal and are 10th in the EPL.


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[Nicho87]

All part of the process this….

[Hibiza]

But Ben said we are to “trust the process” scary process if you ask me

" Trust the proteins"

[hibsbollah]

Knowing the mad hatters tea party that is our board they probably came up with a strategy of only employing people called Malcolm going forward, put it to a quick powerpoint for the Golden quadrant of doom and we're off.

Any other dubiously qualified Malcolm's/Malky's kicking their heels at the moment?

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Mackay has always been a prick. But us fans who pointed out what we were signing up to, were told to hold our nose and tolerate him being one because he’s tough, old school and knows the game up here. Turns out he doesnt even have that.

[Is It On....]

Trust the process 👍

*tongue firmly in cheek

[hibsbollah]

" Trust the proteins"

Trust the prolapse

[tonyrougier123]

The recruitment has on the whole looked in wrong places yet again. Why do we constantly over look hard working players with a good attitude in favour of untried untested in this league in the Scottish set up for lacklustre care free stat driven drivel?🤷*♂️

Needs to change quickly, we’ve been out manoeuvred by teams with a lesser budget for far too long.

[SHODAN]

Trust the prognosis

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

It's about time this useless board swallowed their pride and accept the Black Knights help whilst there is still time to save the season. Otherwise it's goodbye Tynecastle, Ibrox and Parkhead and hello Firhill, Cappielow and Somerset Park.

We'll certainly have the best hospitality in the Championship that's for sure. That's probably all that prick Kensell cares about.

[He's here!]

If relegation forces them to sell up then it’d be a price worth paying. Get them so far to ****.

Said as much on another thread. Life in the Championship under a new ownership would be vastly preferable to this.

I have so little faith in this regime that I wouldn't put it past them to relegate us to League One. They're that incompetent.

[Bostonhibby]

Mackay has always been a prick. But us fans who pointed out what we were signing up to, were told to hold our nose and tolerate him being one because he’s tough, old school and knows the game up here. Turns out he doesnt even have that.Yep, not much to disagree with there.

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[SHODAN]

It's amazing how relegation seems to the be only thing that actually fixes this club.

[JohnM1875]

I'm genuinely still fuming after that result. Think the only way we’re ever going to move forward with the most important thing, results, is by the Gordons ****ing off.

Hope they realise they’re ****ing it up and are way way out their depth (doubt they will) and start looking to sell up.

I think the SFA would approve a deal if Foley/BK’s were looking to become majority owners.

[IWasThere2016]

It's amazing how relegation seems to the be only thing that actually fixes this club.

Been thinking the same thing..

[Hibees1973]

I'm genuinely still fuming after that result. Think the only way we’re ever going to move forward with the most important thing, results, is by the Gordons ****ing off.

Hope they realise they’re ****ing it up and are way way out their depth (doubt they will) and start looking to sell up.

I think the SFA would approve a deal if Foley/BK’s were looking to become majority owners.

Think that would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

Got to be a local consortium for me with a genuine interest/feeling for Hibs. If that exists.

[K-Zazu]

I'm genuinely still fuming after that result. Think the only way we’re ever going to move forward with the most important thing, results, is by the Gordons ****ing off.

Hope they realise they’re ****ing it up and are way way out their depth (doubt they will) and start looking to sell up.

I think the SFA would approve a deal if Foley/BK’s were looking to become majority owners.

Never in a million years would the SFA let Foley own Hibs, would never happen

[B.H.F.C]

10000% this. Malky proven he’s out his depth as well. Signings have been shown to be shockingly below the standard. Bursik was clearly the wrong choice and it’s going to cost Gray his job.

Get rid of Kensell and the Gordon’s. A curse on this club.

Bursik is pish but there are a few more reasons than him that will lead to the inevitable managerial change.

[JohnM1875]

Never in a million years would the SFA let Foley own Hibs, would never happen

Think they would. Did they not say after the current Foley deal was approved that they'd look into it on a case-by-case basis in relation to multi-club majority ownership?

If they're not keen on it then I don't see why they'd bother saying that.

I could be wrong mind you, but think that was said.

[Hibees1973]

When Ian Gordon (wine seller) appointed himself as Head of Football Recruitment there was no going back for me. Was an immediate red flag.

To compound this and after a series of disastrous managers they all ignored any advice from the Black Knights and appointed Gray.

They are the reason why we are now bottom of the league and have become a joke. However, no Hibs fan I know find the joke funny.

All have to be removed asap.

[Hibee Mac]

Genuine question, how would we go about getting rid of the Gordons?

There are a number of complications here, we have the Black Knight group involved as minor shareholders, HSL, individual small investors in the club.

As a sidenote we need to be careful here that we don't somehow end up fully owned by Black Knights, we might go from very bad to even worse...

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[Northernhibee]

Genuine question, how would we go about getting rid of the Gordons?

There are a number of complications here, we have the Black Knight group involved as minor shareholders, HSL, individual small investors in the club.

As a sidenote we need to be careful here that we don't somehow end up fully owned by Black Knights, we might go from very bad to even worse...

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I wonder if Andy Murray could be convinced? He has a business portfolio and knows what success looks like.

[JohnM1875]

I wonder if Andy Murray could be convinced? He has a business portfolio and knows what success looks like.

Think Andy Murray is more of an Arsenal fan than a Hibs fan. Jamie Murray seems more Hibs minded but is nowhere near as minted. Could maybe convince Andy into a joint venture.

[TrinityHFC]

Genuine question, how would we go about getting rid of the Gordons?

There are a number of complications here, we have the Black Knight group involved as minor shareholders, HSL, individual small investors in the club.

As a sidenote we need to be careful here that we don't somehow end up fully owned by Black Knights, we might go from very bad to even worse...

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Why would being fully owned by quite a successful organisation be worse?

On the initial question. You’d need to find someone willing to pay £20m plus.

[Iain G]

When Ian Gordon (wine seller) appointed himself as Head of Football Recruitment there was no going back for me. Was an immediate red flag.

To compound this and after a series of disastrous managers they all ignored any advice from the Black Knights and appointed Gray.

They are the reason why we are now bottom of the league and have become a joke. However, no Hibs fan I know find the joke funny.

All have to be removed asap.

Did his dad not appoint him then?

[Hibee Mac]

Why would being fully owned by quite a successful organisation be worse?

On the initial question. You’d need to find someone willing to pay £20m plus.Because we'd then be fully owned by one of these soulless footballing groups with Hibs being right near the bottom of the food chain.

It has the risk of putting us in a pretty grim position with an owner who doesn't care if we are any good / no interest in selling us either.

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[TrinityHFC]

Because we'd then be fully owned by one of these soulless footballing groups with Hibs being right near the bottom of the food chain.

It has the risk of putting us in a pretty grim position with an owner who doesn't care if we are any good / no interest in selling us either.

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Okay, so you know an individual who will prioritise Hibs with over £20m just to buy the shares then a lot more than that to invest further?

[Hibee Mac]

Okay, so you know an individual who will prioritise Hibs with over £20m just to buy the shares then a lot more than that to invest further?That's why I asked the question of how would it really work, is it really the case that the only option would be someone with £20m+?

If so, then like you are implying there aren't many options for us.

What about fan ownership, some form of HSL buy in to 51% and then a new owner wouldn't need to shell out as much.



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[El Gubbz]

That's why I asked the question of how would it really work, is it really the case that the only option would be someone with £20m+?

If so, then like you are implying there aren't many options for us.

What about fan ownership, some form of HSL buy in to 51% and then a new owner wouldn't need to shell out as much.



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The fan ownership route is practically dead after the share issue.

We went from around 33% fan owned to under 15% then I think there was another share issue after the Black Knight investment so suspect it’s even less now.

Where fans might have been in a position we needed c. £4-5m of investment to acquire an additional 18% to get fans to 51% we probably now need to stump up around £10m to get to that figure thanks to signing so much of the club away on the advice of Kensell and friends using big words like “billionaire”

[TrinityHFC]

The fan ownership route is practically dead after the share issue.

We went from around 33% fan owned to under 15% then I think there was another share issue after the Black Knight investment so suspect it’s even less now.

Where fans might have been in a position we needed c. £4-5m of investment to acquire an additional 18% to get fans to 51% we probably now need to stump up around e£10m to get to that figure thanks to signing so much of the club away on the advice of Kensell and friends using big words like “billionaire”

It was dead anyway. No one was really interested when it was an option.

[Not In The Know]

It's amazing how relegation seems to the be only thing that actually fixes this club.

But it doesn’t.

[TrinityHFC]

But it doesn’t.

Correct. Took us 3 yrs to get back and other than a decent season after winning the cup we completely failed to build on it.

[El Gubbz]

It was dead anyway. No one was really interested when it was an option.

You’re probably right.

I had hoped the Black Knight investments talk would have kickstarted a decent debate on the direction of our club but it just attracted gullible fools to argue with anyone with an alternative vision.

Unfortunately those who represent HSL really lacked the charisma and comms to fuel a proper debate and propose something more compelling the supporters could buy into. The Well society managed to bat away the Netflix speculator but they had something worth fighting for - The Gordon’s have created such a sense of apathy around the place no one really cares like they used to about the club.

[LunasBoots]

Trust the process 👍

*tongue firmly in cheek

Yup, be happy to trust the process if we actually had progress, stuffs just as bad as the mysterious 5 year plan talks we used to get.

[JohnM1875]

Yup, be happy to trust the process if we actually had progress, stuffs just as bad as the mysterious 5 year plan talks we used to get.

Used to? Ian Gordon literally mentioned the start of the next 5 year plan in his latest batch interviews.

[theonlywayisup]

Lose the Derby and there needs to be a protest of some form.

[MWHIBBIES]

When Ian Gordon (wine seller) appointed himself as Head of Football Recruitment there was no going back for me. Was an immediate red flag.

To compound this and after a series of disastrous managers they all ignored any advice from the Black Knights and appointed Gray.

They are the reason why we are now bottom of the league and have become a joke. However, no Hibs fan I know find the joke funny.

All have to be removed asap.

He didn't appoint himself. Ron appointed him. An equally awful owner. Ron appointed basically everyone currently at the club.

[we are hibs]

Used to? Ian Gordon literally mentioned the start of the next 5 year plan in his latest batch interviews.We will be lucky to still have a club in 5 years if these jokers are still running the show.

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[One Day Soon]

Truss: The Football version

[Carheenlea]

The Gordon family won’t be going anywhere soon, Kensell similar.

Mackay? They might be reflecting on being sold an absolute turkey after falling for his big talk and self promotion. His moving on could be realistic, but ultimately if results continue to have us being embroiled in bottom of table struggles, even as early as next week, then it’s David Gray who will carry the can and be removed from his position before any of the others. Another manager will be installed and they’ll pray that he can spark a change of fortunes that saves them face.

I think they might find out pretty quickly though that the fans ire will directed at them more so than David Gray. The “Head of Football” or whatever his lofty position is particularly so.

[Whelahan 1875]

Malcolm McPherson firstly appointed then sacked Franck Sauzee as Manager. A man loved by the fans and the best player to play for us in the modern era.

He’s now helped to appoint his mate Mackay (failed Manager and toxic background), and had the arrogance to criticise the fans for their reaction to his hire into a job he has no credentials for.

The pressure on SDG is going to become intolerable if we lose next week. If a second Hibs icon loses his job then those above him must go, certainly the aforementioned duo. The Gordon family we are stuck with at the moment. Ben K has at least delivered commercial success off the park but successive poor appointments on the football side have him on notice. The fans will be turning soon.

[Alfred E Newman]

Lose the Derby and there needs to be a protest of some form.

Protests just make you more of a laughing stock than you already are and most supporters know that. Empty seats are the most likely scenario.

[Hibs90]

Protests just make you more of a laughing stock than you already are and most supporters know that. Empty seats are the most likely scenario.

Don’t care what it looks like to others.

It is a method of getting traction with the media and the wider fan base. Absolutely should be protests next week.

[green day]

Lose the Derby and there needs to be a protest of some form.

I wonder what reaction Gordon and Kensell will get in Pioneers etc post match if we lose?

Could be quite ugly.

[B.H.F.C]

I wonder what reaction Gordon and Kensell will get in Pioneers etc post match if we lose?

Could be quite ugly.

If we lose, they’ll just not show up.

[GreenCastle]

Was a massive own goal appointing Gray as manager as if it fails like it is - all the pressure is on those who appointed him.

Another bad decision by those at the top.

Said on another thread - wouldn’t do a protest after a game. The opposite and have fans show togetherness and march from Tamsons bar to the west stand so those in hospitality can see the fans reaction like sponsors etc and then attend the game.

[Unseen work]

I just want everything sorted now but there’s no way it will happen.

I want Gordon’s to sell up and a new hierarchy brought in.

BK have a say along with new owners about people in key positions including managers and recruitment

And I want it done and sorted yesterday.

We can’t continue to go on like this

[eastmainsmsh]

Arabian Consortium to get shot of the current Arabs

[Jim44]

They will circle the wagons and appoint Mackay which I think was the plan all along. When that fails, God knows where the club will end up.

[GreenCastle]

They will circle the wagons and appoint Mackay which I think was the plan all along. When that fails, God knows where the club will end up.

This would be worse than Gray and be a sneaky move.

If Gray goes so does MM / Samson / Craig / May.

Need completely fresh ideas and leadership. Nothing will change till the top changes and proper leadership brought in.

[Northernhibee]

They will circle the wagons and appoint Mackay which I think was the plan all along. When that fails, God knows where the club will end up.

If that’s the case, that’s when boycotts need to be a serious consideration.

[Since452]

It's been pretty obvious where were heading under the Gordon's for a long time now. A slow, painful road to the Championship. They have been an utter disaster for this club.

[Is It On....]

Bursik is pish but there are a few more reasons than him that will lead to the inevitable managerial change.

We went for an on loan goalkeeper and Aberdeen paid money for Mitov....there maybe a few more reasons than our goalkeeper that will lead to a managerial change but that is likely to be a key one.

[Is It On....]

They will circle the wagons and appoint Mackay which I think was the plan all along. When that fails, God knows where the club will end up.

Using the Levein playbook 🤔

[Blaster]

We went for an on loan goalkeeper and Aberdeen paid money for Mitov....there maybe a few more reasons that our goalkeeper that will lead to a managerial change but that is likely to be a key one.

We were in for Mitov. He chose Aberdeen over us.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

We went for an on loan goalkeeper and Aberdeen paid money for Mitov....there maybe a few more reasons that our goalkeeper that will lead to a managerial change but that is likely to be a key one.

Staggering, isn’t it? What the **** were they thinking? Seriously, what were they thinking?

As Pretty Boy very astutely put it in a post, Hibs try to be the smartest man in the room and instead we just look like one almighty dumb ****.

[Scotty Leither]

Staggering, isn’t it? What the **** were they thinking? Seriously, what were they thinking?

As Pretty Boy very astutely put it in a post, Hibs try to be the smartest man in the room and instead we just look like one almighty dumb ****.

We’ve got a goalie on loan, so we’ll only be picking up a percentage of his wages, so he’ll be cheap as will the 2nd choice who seems happy to sit on the bench, and will be on a bag of sweeties of a wage as well.

We’re getting taken out of us by this Board, I can’t see how anyone can defend them any more.

[MWHIBBIES]

We’ve got a goalie on loan, so we’ll only be picking up a percentage of his wages, so he’ll be cheap as will the 2nd choice who seems happy to sit on the bench, and will be on a bag of sweeties of a wage as well.

We’re getting taken out of us by this Board, I can’t see how anyone can defend them any more.

This board are many things, but cheap isn't one of them. Spent a fortune.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

This board are many things, but cheap isn't one of them. Spent a fortune.

Which makes it all the more galling. Imagine where we’d be if they were actually any good with their money?

[He's here!]

This board are many things, but cheap isn't one of them. Spent a fortune.

Which just serves to underscore their incompetence.

[Scotty Leither]

This board are many things, but cheap isn't one of them. Spent a fortune.

Not on the two crap goalies they didn’t. Nor on the appointment of Gray, their pet rag the Evening News confirmed as much that they didn’t want to pay compensation for a new manager.

The Board have ran out of the road and the lies and spin have caught up with them.

[MWHIBBIES]

Which makes it all the more galling. Imagine where we’d be if they were actually any good with their money?

Yep, I agree. Blown millions. We were signing better players in the championship for free.

[B.H.F.C]

Which makes it all the more galling. Imagine where we’d be if they were actually any good with their money?

It’s so annoying the opportunity that we’ve wasted in recent years and continue to waste on the back of the investment. We spend money, there’s no doubt about that.

Even if you look at our bench yesterday. Youan, Levitt and McKirdy were all bought for sizeable fees. Even Iredale cost us a fee, albeit wouldn’t be the same type of level as the other three. Spending money hasn’t been the issue in the last few years. Not spending it well has been and it all stems from not appointing the right people to key positions.

[TrinityHFC]

Staggering, isn’t it? What the **** were they thinking? Seriously, what were they thinking?

As Pretty Boy very astutely put it in a post, Hibs try to be the smartest man in the room and instead we just look like one almighty dumb ****.

They probably thought they were getting a better goalkeeper?

Mitov had a decent season last year but he had no particular pedigree when St Johnstone signed him. Bursik had played a lot of games in the Championship and had been linked with some big teams in the past. Might not be working out that way but there are no guarantees either way especially with goalkeepers.

[ddoc]

They will circle the wagons and appoint Mackay which I think was the plan all along. When that fails, God knows where the club will end up.

I posted below back in March, with a smiley face, which in hindsight was probably inappropriate.


It is a conspiracy and this was the plan all along. They knew that putting MM in as manager straight of the bat would cause an uproar, so appoint SDG, chuck in a few token signings that are not up to scratch, watch it all go down the toilet, then SDG out and MM in. No complaints from the support as we are in a state of desperation and will accept almost anything.:wink:

[I'm Spartacus]

I am laughing, I've seen through Ben K from day 1 and taken absolute pelters on here, absolute PELTERS! The man has been a fraud long before he arrived on our doorstep.

A Black Knights buy out is our only option at this stage, but they have 25%, why would they want or need anymore for what they want us for?

The Malky Mackay appointment has been worse than even I imagned.
Then there's Ben K spouting 'Trust the process'.
And finally the quadrangle of pish.

Sir DG MUST be protected here, the Managerial role isn't the poison here, that's just a role these absolute clowns hide behind.

Ben K OUT
Malky Mackay OUT
Godron OUT

[Unseen work]

Mackay will be telling the board to give Gray time.

I’m sure in one of his first interviews he said it will be his role to try and calm people down when results aren’t going his way

I imagine it will be something like;

8 games played - 2 against the old firm, out with them the games have been;

St Mirren - Catalogue of individual errors cost us

Dundee - Winning and concede last minute goal

Kilmarnock - Winning and concede last minute penalty

St Johnston - Won

Motherwell - Drawing the game, get a red card and lose

Dundee United - Winning the game, get a red card and lose


I think he’ll sell it to the board we’re doing the right things but luck isn’t on our side. I suppose you could agree.

I suppose we are getting in the positions to win games, but we really need to show a bit of unity, resilience and quality to get wins over the line and see them out.

Also improve our discipline, 2 reds and a pen in 8 games is shocking.

[Greenio]

Mackay will be telling the board to give Gray time.

I’m sure in one of his first interviews he said it will be his role to try and calm people down when results aren’t going his way

I imagine it will be something like;

8 games played - 2 against the old firm, out with them the games have been;

St Mirren - Catalogue of individual errors cost us

Dundee - Winning and concede last minute goal

Kilmarnock - Winning and concede last minute penalty

St Johnston - Won

Motherwell - Drawing the game, get a red card and lose

Dundee United - Winning the game, get a red card and lose


I think he’ll sell it to the board we’re doing the right things but luck isn’t on our side. I suppose you could agree.

I suppose we are getting in the positions to win games, but we really need to show a bit of unity, resilience and quality to get wins over the line and see them out.

Also improve our discipline, 2 reds and a pen in 8 games is shocking.

This is key for me. Weve not been well beaten in many games. Infact, weve lost them ourselves.

Its not being unlucky, because the errors are down to us, bit its small margins and we can swing them the other way


Saying that, i dont think our leadership is strong. Ron passing threw it all into the unknown and im not sure the family should or even want to be in control

[Ozyhibby]

This is key for me. Weve not been well beaten in many games. Infact, weve lost them ourselves.

Its not being unlucky, because the errors are down to us, bit its small margins and we can swing them the other way


Saying that, i dont think our leadership is strong. Ron passing threw it all into the unknown and im not sure the family should or even want to be in control

Any losing team can point to the mistakes that cost them. The trick is to stop the mistakes. I’m not confident Anyone at Hibs knows how to do that. The football side of the business is run by a bunch of first timers.


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[Cooshed Kid]

The EEN has an interview with Dwight Gayle and in the short time he's been with us he seems to have spotted pretty much everything we've been doing wrong. He also implies that players need to be a lot more forthright with each other on the pitch when they are not performing as they should. That just confirms what I already thought, that we need someone who can when the occasion demands give pelters to players who pick up stupid bookings or otherwise let the team down as well as motivate them when they need a lift. The football pitch is not a "safe space" and sometimes tough love is required. What we really need, of course, is someone with real captaincy skills.

[flash]

The EEN has an interview with Dwight Gayle and in the short time he's been with us he seems to have spotted pretty much everything we've been doing wrong. He also implies that players need to be a lot more forthright with each other on the pitch when they are not performing as they should. That just confirms what I already thought, that we need someone who can when the occasion demands give pelters to players who pick up stupid bookings or otherwise let the team down as well as motivate them when they need a lift. The football pitch is not a "safe space" and sometimes tough love is required. What we really need, of course, is someone with real captaincy skills.

Doesn't help when it's the captain who is making the ridiculous tackles.

[Nicho87]

Malky said from day one we need to get to next season that’s when the change starts

At what reasonable employer would you start a new job and say well the first 12 months I have a ready made excuse and don’t judge my signings until I get rid of more in 12 months.

An employer and investors (fans) expect instant reactions, what we pay malkys wages for


His signings and recommendations so far don’t look good

Keep saying it

1 goalie who looks faulty
2 centre half’s from lower league England with no Scottish experience
2 central midfielders who will start next week, both loan players

Frightening

All the perfect ingredients for relegation

Malky, kensell, Ian Gordon all out

[Springbank]

Personally I think there is some good in the heat that's falling on the club this week

Had we won or drawn at Tannadice, you could imagine loads of complacency from our players going into the derby - the likes of your Boyle, odd-shorts Miller, Newell (had he been available).

Now, it's time to Man Up - this is a test of character and you turn on the radio, the whole of the Punditry sector is writing off Miller, Ekpiteta, OHora, Bursik, Boyle etc

It's time to say to Miller, or Boyle, or the keeper, or the defence, "There's only one person who can shut the media up, and that's YOU. Go out there Sunday and win the game"

That's why I'm hoping for an XI of:
Bursik, Miller, OHora, Ekpiteta, Obita, Kwon, Triantis, Hoillett, Gayle, Boyle, Kukharevych

It's a test of character. These guys need to pass the test.

[Fergos]

Malky said from day one we need to get to next season that’s when the change starts

At what reasonable employer would you start a new job and say well the first 12 months I have a ready made excuse and don’t judge my signings until I get rid of more in 12 months.

An employer and investors (fans) expect instant reactions, what we pay malkys wages for


His signings and recommendations so far don’t look good

Keep saying it

1 goalie who looks faulty
2 centre half’s from lower league England with no Scottish experience
2 central midfielders who will start next week, both loan players

Frightening

All the perfect ingredients for relegation

Malky, kensell, Ian Gordon all out

Totally agree bud. Anyone with any experience in turnaround will tell you its easier to make a positive impact immediately as the base line is poor. Nobody expected MM as an example to get everything right straight away but it would be fair to suggest that small notches of improvements were expected by now.

We have actually regressed from a poor starting point.

[Lago]

They will be circling the waggons and digging in for the long haul,not going anywhere soon.

[SaulGoodman]

Personally I think there is some good in the heat that's falling on the club this week

Had we won or drawn at Tannadice, you could imagine loads of complacency from our players going into the derby - the likes of your Boyle, odd-shorts Miller, Newell (had he been available).

Now, it's time to Man Up - this is a test of character and you turn on the radio, the whole of the Punditry sector is writing off Miller, Ekpiteta, OHora, Bursik, Boyle etc

It's time to say to Miller, or Boyle, or the keeper, or the defence, "There's only one person who can shut the media up, and that's YOU. Go out there Sunday and win the game"

That's why I'm hoping for an XI of:
Bursik, Miller, OHora, Ekpiteta, Obita, Kwon, Triantis, Hoillett, Gayle, Boyle, Kukharevych

It's a test of character. These guys need to pass the test.

Problem is we’ve been in this type of situation before and they don’t step up, do they?

It’s a team full of *****bags.

[The Captain....]

Their, hopefully short, remaining time here needs to be made as unpleasant as possible to hasten their departure.

Get them out before they run the club into the ground.

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[Since90+2]

Personally I find it hard to criticise the Gordons as they do genuinely seem to want to carry on Ron's legacy and do well by the club. I don't think there is any malice in what they are doing.

It seems pretty clear to me though that Ian Gordon isn't cut out to run a football club our size. I suspect they wouldn't be that hard to deal with it the right offer came along, but things are now complicated with Black Knights having a share in the club. In hindsight accepting their money maybe wasn't the best thing for the club in terms of attracting new buyers.

[MWHIBBIES]

Personally I find it hard to criticise the Gordons as they do genuinely seem to want to carry on Ron's legacy and do well by the club. I don't think there is any malice in what they are doing.

It seems pretty clear to me though that Ian Gordon isn't cut out to run a football club our size. I suspect they wouldn't be that hard to deal with it the right offer came along, but things are now complicated with Black Knights having a share in the club. In hindsight accepting their money maybe wasn't the best thing for the club in terms of attracting new buyers.

They are carrying on Rons legacy extremely well. He was also hopeless.

[blackpoolhibs]

Personally I find it hard to criticise the Gordons as they do genuinely seem to want to carry on Ron's legacy and do well by the club. I don't think there is any malice in what they are doing.

It seems pretty clear to me though that Ian Gordon isn't cut out to run a football club our size. I suspect they wouldn't be that hard to deal with it the right offer came along, but things are now complicated with Black Knights having a share in the club. In hindsight accepting their money maybe wasn't the best thing for the club in terms of attracting new buyers.
Ron's ****in legacy, the first thing he did after walking through the door was sack numerous people who'd been at the club years, doing very good work behind the scenes.

He then sacked the best manager we'd had in a while, and put his son as head of recruitment.

Legacy, :faf:

The family are clueless, i wish we'd never heard of the bloody Gordons.:rolleyes:

[Saint Hibee]

They are carrying on Rons legacy extremely well. He was also hopeless.

Harsh, but true.

[DarlingtonHibee]

They are carrying on Rons legacy extremely well. He was also hopeless.

Shame on you

[MWHIBBIES]

Shame on you
What for exactly?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Shame on you

They’re not wrong though, are they? We don’t have to pretend he was doing a good job because he passed away. He wasn’t.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Won't happen unless fans unite and chase them. Happy clappers are keeping them in

Ridiculous second sentence. Can't see many if any who are happy with this nightmare

[Since90+2]

Ron's ****in legacy, the first thing he did after walking through the door was sack numerous people who'd been at the club years, doing very good work behind the scenes.

He then sacked the best manager we'd had in a while, and put his son as head of recruitment.

Legacy, :faf:

The family are clueless, i wish we'd never heard of the bloody Gordons.:rolleyes:

Did we not finish 3rd under his ownership and we done very well in cups. That's actually a very good season historically for Hibs. How many times in the last 30 years have we finished 3rd?

He was wrong to sack Jack Ross though, that's obvious but it's not as if everything was a total disaster under him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Did we not finish 3rd under his ownership and we done very well in cups. That's actually a very good season historically for Hibs. How many times in the last 30 years have we finished 3rd?

He was wrong to sack Jack Ross though, that's obvious but it's not as if everything was a total disaster under him.

That was all with the previous system in place, Dempster, Mathie etc. When Ron started making decisions, it all went majorly downhill.

[Chorley Hibee]

They are carrying on Rons legacy extremely well. He was also hopeless.

I wasn't comfortable with how, after his passing, he was portrayed as some legendary figure in the club's history.

Him, and his family, have been an unmitigated disaster so far, and it's only going to get worse under his idiot son and his hangers on.

[MWHIBBIES]

I wasn't comfortable with how, after his passing, he was portrayed as some legendary figure in the club's history.

Him, and his family, have been an unmitigated disaster so far, and it's only going to get worse under his idiot son and his hangers on.

Couldn't agree more.

[Donegal Hibby]

Did we not finish 3rd under his ownership and we done very well in cups. That's actually a very good season historically for Hibs. How many times in the last 30 years have we finished 3rd?

He was wrong to sack Jack Ross though, that's obvious but it's not as if everything was a total disaster under him.

What was the general feeling towards Ross at that stage in did he have the fans spilt or did the majority want him gone and Ron just gave them what they wanted to a degree ?

[Since90+2]

What was the general feeling towards Ross at that stage in did he have the fans spilt or did the majority want him gone and Ron just gave them what they wanted to a degree ?

From memory it was pretty split, a good proportion, including myself, wanted Ross to say given what he had already achieved.

[The Captain....]

I don't doubt the Gordon's had good intentions for the club.

Their decision making and rank naivety have been ruthlessly exposed in the goldfish bowl of Scottish football. Each appointment more mystifying than the last dragging us down further. The son, imo with no gumption, talent or vision with his wagon hitched to an absolute chancer..who continually bends the truth or outright lies to protect his position. He'd be better getting out now as he doesn't have the talent, experience or minerals to turn this round.

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[Northernhibee]

A lot of the supposed commercial improvements have been worse for the overall experience as a fan IMO.

The new shop is much worse than the old one, and reviews for using the website haven’t been good on here in a few cases. Bombarded with adverts in the stadium and elsewhere. Hospitality becoming out of reach for some people. Shirts not being very nice. Adverts for “do you want to own the shirts worn on the pitch?” whilst disappointment for bad results still is very raw. The whole Sportemon Go stuff.

[Donegal Hibby]

From memory it was pretty split, a good proportion, including myself, wanted Ross to say given what he had already achieved.

I was just wondering maybe us as fans played a part in the decision to have him sacked … i do wonder if we had stuck with him where we’d be today in comparison to going through manager after manager and getting nowhere fast ! .

[Keith_M]

Do we have somebody waiting in the wings with the money and desire to buy the club?

:dunno:

[mcohibs]

Do we have somebody waiting in the wings with the money and desire to buy the club?

:dunno:

I always assumed foley’s intentions were to own the club outright at some stage.

[Chorley Hibee]

I was just wondering maybe us as fans played a part in the decision to have him sacked … i do wonder if we had stuck with him where we’d be today in comparison to going through manager after manager and getting nowhere fast ! .

I don't think it would have made a blind bit of difference as it's obvious to everyone that the problems lie much deeper than who the manager is.

He'd still have had to deal with Ian Gordon's football manager scouting list, development team bull**** etc, and we'd have ended up exactly where we are now.

I didn't want Gray to have the job, but the issue is the morons running the club into the ground.

Nothing else matters until they're removed.

[K-Zazu]

What happens if we sack Gray, does MM get sacked too? If a new manager comes in then it’s clean slate time and does that mean JDH, Kenneh, Amos etc will be in the team again? Or will they still be frozen out of the team?

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think it would have made a blind bit of difference as it's obvious to everyone that the problems lie much deeper than who the manager is.

He'd still have had to deal with Ian Gordon's football manager scouting list, development team bull**** etc, and we'd have ended up exactly where we are now.

I didn't want Gray to have the job, but the issue is the morons running the club into the ground.

Nothing else matters until they're removed.

Whilst I agree the problems go way beyond the manager, a better manager (probably someone who has actually done the job) would get you better results than what we’ve seen.

[random sub]

Gordon, Mackay, Kensall - set us free

[Hibees1973]

I don't think it would have made a blind bit of difference as it's obvious to everyone that the problems lie much deeper than who the manager is.

He'd still have had to deal with Ian Gordon's football manager scouting list, development team bull**** etc, and we'd have ended up exactly where we are now.

I didn't want Gray to have the job, but the issue is the morons running the club into the ground.

Nothing else matters until they're removed.

Agreed.

When Gray is sacked does anyone on here really think The Golden Quadrant should have the responsibility of appointing another new manager. It has gone beyond embarrassing with these fools running things.

A highly unlikely win on Sunday is only going to paper over the cracks. How many mistakes are they allowed to make.

The only thing I want to hear from The Gordons now is for them to publicly say they are open to offers for the club and they will themselves fill any financial holes. There were superlatives from Ron when he took over the club. I think we were sitting 3rd in the league and he said he would wipe out any debt. Fine do this now, then hand the club over to people (not the Black Knights) who are qualified and capable of getting a good football team on the park.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't think it would have made a blind bit of difference as it's obvious to everyone that the problems lie much deeper than who the manager is.

He'd still have had to deal with Ian Gordon's football manager scouting list, development team bull**** etc, and we'd have ended up exactly where we are now.

I didn't want Gray to have the job, but the issue is the morons running the club into the ground.

Nothing else matters until they're removed.

There’s no question things over the last few seasons have went wrong and mistakes have been made … tin hat on though I don’t believe the Gordon’s have bought the club to see it fail , in truth I genuinely believe they have the clubs best interests at heart and probably even more so with what happened to Ron …

The Stadium , Hospitality, pitch , investment in players like Vente , Levitt , Bowie etc I think shows that even if things have went wrong .

We have made changes to things at the club , has Mackay been given enough time in his role at the club ? …

I wanted Gray to get the job and still think he should be given time as I don’t think our performances have been as bad as the results suggest they are if that makes any sense .

I still remember the last time under Gray and Duff when the club was on the brink after bad investment .. there’s a lot of owners like the Glaziers , Mike Ashley , Vladimir Romanov who either don’t give a damn , will bleed a club dry or simply run it to the point where it’s fighting for its very existence…

I don’t believe the Gordon’s would do any of these things .

That’s what don’t want to see happening again and I think wanting new owners is playing a bit of Russian Roulette TBH …

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/sisu-coventry-city-christian-matheson-16491216

[Pedantic_Hibee]

There’s no question things over the last few seasons have went wrong and mistakes have been made … tin hat on though I don’t believe the Gordon’s have bought the club to see it fail , in truth I genuinely believe they have the clubs best interests at heart and probably even more so with what happened to Ron …

The Stadium , Hospitality, pitch , investment in players like Vente , Levitt , Bowie etc I think shows that even if things have went wrong .

We have made changes to things at the club , has Mackay been given enough time in his role at the club ? …

I wanted Gray to get the job and still think he should be given time as I don’t think our performances have been as bad as the results suggest they are if that makes any sense .

I still remember the last time under Gray and Duff when the club was on the brink after bad investment .. there’s a lot of owners like the Glaziers , Mike Ashley , Vladimir Romanov who either don’t give a damn , will bleed a club dry or simply run it to the point where it’s fighting for its very existence…

That’s what don’t want to see happening again and I think wanting new owners is playing a bit of Russian Roulette TBH …

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/sisu-coventry-city-christian-matheson-16491216

I’ve been vociferous in my abuse towards Ian Gordon the last few days but I also genuinely believe he doesn’t want the club to fail. But I also genuinely believe he’s doing more damage than anyone else at the club and that he’s ****ing hopeless as an owner and the culture of failure and incompetence begins with him.

[blackpoolhibs]

There’s no question things over the last few seasons have went wrong and mistakes have been made … tin hat on though I don’t believe the Gordon’s have bought the club to see it fail , in truth I genuinely believe they have the clubs best interests at heart and probably even more so with what happened to Ron …

The Stadium , Hospitality, pitch , investment in players like Vente , Levitt , Bowie etc I think shows that even if things have went wrong .

We have made changes to things at the club , has Mackay been given enough time in his role at the club ? …

I wanted Gray to get the job and still think he should be given time as I don’t think our performances have been as bad as the results suggest they are if that makes any sense .

I still remember the last time under Gray and Duff when the club was on the brink after bad investment .. there’s a lot of owners like the Glaziers , Mike Ashley , Vladimir Romanov who either don’t give a damn , will bleed a club dry or simply run it to the point where it’s fighting for its very existence…

I don’t believe the Gordon’s would do any of these things .

That’s what don’t want to see happening again and I think wanting new owners is playing a bit of Russian Roulette TBH …

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/sisu-coventry-city-christian-matheson-16491216

Would you give the Gordons an 8/10 since taking over?

[MWHIBBIES]

I've not seen one person who thinks Ian Gordon is doing this on purpose. Having Hibs best interests at heart is not one in the pros column. It's the absolute minimum for anyone associated with our club.

I've no doubt he'll still be doing what he thinks is right next summer, as we prepare for life in the championship.

[Hibees1973]

There’s no question things over the last few seasons have went wrong and mistakes have been made … tin hat on though I don’t believe the Gordon’s have bought the club to see it fail , in truth I genuinely believe they have the clubs best interests at heart and probably even more so with what happened to Ron …

The Stadium , Hospitality, pitch , investment in players like Vente , Levitt , Bowie etc I think shows that even if things have went wrong .

We have made changes to things at the club , has Mackay been given enough time in his role at the club ? …

I wanted Gray to get the job and still think he should be given time as I don’t think our performances have been as bad as the results suggest they are if that makes any sense .

I still remember the last time under Gray and Duff when the club was on the brink after bad investment .. there’s a lot of owners like the Glaziers , Mike Ashley , Vladimir Romanov who either don’t give a damn , will bleed a club dry or simply run it to the point where it’s fighting for its very existence…

I don’t believe the Gordon’s would do any of these things .



That’s what don’t want to see happening again and I think wanting new owners is playing a bit of Russian Roulette TBH …

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/sisu-coventry-city-christian-matheson-16491216

See Dwight Gayle thread.

You are too nice.

[Baader]

There’s no question things over the last few seasons have went wrong and mistakes have been made … tin hat on though I don’t believe the Gordon’s have bought the club to see it fail , in truth I genuinely believe they have the clubs best interests at heart and probably even more so with what happened to Ron …

The Stadium , Hospitality, pitch , investment in players like Vente , Levitt , Bowie etc I think shows that even if things have went wrong .

We have made changes to things at the club , has Mackay been given enough time in his role at the club ? …

I wanted Gray to get the job and still think he should be given time as I don’t think our performances have been as bad as the results suggest they are if that makes any sense .

I still remember the last time under Gray and Duff when the club was on the brink after bad investment .. there’s a lot of owners like the Glaziers , Mike Ashley , Vladimir Romanov who either don’t give a damn , will bleed a club dry or simply run it to the point where it’s fighting for its very existence…

I don’t believe the Gordon’s would do any of these things .

That’s what don’t want to see happening again and I think wanting new owners is playing a bit of Russian Roulette TBH …

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/sisu-coventry-city-christian-matheson-16491216

Being incompetent but having good intentions doesn't disguise the fact that you are incompetent. Worked with plenty of folk who were well intentioned but ultimately useless...

[Paulie Walnuts]

I've not seen one person who thinks Ian Gordon is doing this on purpose. Having Hibs best interests at heart is not one in the pros column. It's the absolute minimum for anyone associated with our club.

I've no doubt he'll still be doing what he thinks is right next summer, as we prepare for life in the championship.

It’s not just the absolute minimum, I’m fairly certain it’s a legal responsibility.

[K-Zazu]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.html

[Donegal Hibby]

I’ve been vociferous in my abuse towards Ian Gordon the last few days but I also genuinely believe he doesn’t want the club to fail. But I also genuinely believe he’s doing more damage than anyone else at the club and that he’s ****ing hopeless as an owner and the culture of failure and incompetence begins with him.

I get what you’re saying and I can’t deny or argue with you to the facts he has made a pigs ear of things though I don’t think things were easy for him in his father dying and being put in such a position either .

I had / do hope that with Mackay being appointed things might change , i do think he needs time to do so and Gordon will let others like Mackay get on with things on the footballing side….

I’m as disappointed / angry as the rest of you though it does worry me talk of new owners when I remember what’s happened to us before and since then seeing some extraordinary bad owners run other clubs , some bigger than ours to the brink of their very existence…


That’s where I’m at with it even though I entirely understand you and other fans anger mate .:aok:

[Hibees1973]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.html

The Golden Quadrant.

'Is that Bill. Oh...sorry Bill, sorry for ignoring your advice in the summer. Our bad. It's just that, erm, ahem......HELP'

[Willis1875]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.html

A wee jolly to Vegas for Ian and Ben

[Trinity Hibee]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.html

A nice expenses paid trip to vegas I see

[B.H.F.C]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.html

That has to be a positive. We need to be working with them going forward.

[we are hibs]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.htmlHow convenient.


Feeling the pressure, lads?

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[Famousfivehh]

I checked out of this clown school last year. Couldn't justify giving them money and support when they have shown they are incapable of running the club.
The quicker they sell up the better.
I will stick with my Stenny season ticket until then.

[mcohibs]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.html

Derek White, Head of Football Operations, has left the club interestingly.

[Trinity Hibee]

Derek White, Head of Football Operations, has left the club interestingly.

Yes was hearing that today. All very hush hush and the rumour mill is churning

[Bostonhibby]

Derek White, Head of Football Operations, has left the club interestingly.Maybe Ben just found out we haven't been operating as a football club all this time?

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[Scotty Leither]

Derek White, Head of Football Operations, has left the club interestingly.

Has he found his way oot yet?

[04Sauzee]

Yes was hearing that today. All very hush hush and the rumour mill is churning

Rumours?
Was he the boy who made an admin error during the League cup campaign a season or so back?

[Nicho87]

What did his role consist of?

The golden croissant live on…….

[MikeyS]

What did his role consist of?

The golden croissant live on…….

He was the admin link for the 1st team. Travel logistics, dealing with SFA on registrations, bookings, etc

[Donegal Hibby]

I've not seen one person who thinks Ian Gordon is doing this on purpose. Having Hibs best interests at heart is not one in the pros column. It's the absolute minimum for anyone associated with our club.

I've no doubt he'll still be doing what he thinks is right next summer, as we prepare for life in the championship.

Having a clubs best interests at heart is one of the pros for me about the Gordon’s … you say it’s the absolute minimum .. did Ashley have it at Newcastle United or the Glaziers at Man U ? .. many other examples but I think them two’s enough.

I’m hoping it won’t come to us preparing for life in the Championship either .

[Nicho87]

He was the admin link for the 1st team. Travel logistics, dealing with SFA on registrations, bookings, etc

Cheers

Not anywhere near who needs to be answering the questions of why we are so screwed currently then.

[Stuart93]

Rumours?
Was he the boy who made an admin error during the League cup campaign a season or so back?

Same guy who basically got a promotion only a few weeks ago

I reckon another fall guy for BK and IG

[1875M]

Derek White, Head of Football Operations, has left the club interestingly.

2 years too late. Should have been punted immediately after the Bushiri incident and making hibs look like a part time club.

[I'm Spartacus]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.html


Have they never heard of Zoom or Teams? Nah they jump on a plane to Vegas.

Twats.

[NGoloGrantie]

What did his role consist of?

The golden croissant live on…….

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[Slim Shady]

Same guy who basically got a promotion only a few weeks ago

I reckon another fall guy for BK and IG

More likely could the falling of BK and IG…….

[Slim Shady]

Same guy who basically got a promotion only a few weeks ago

I reckon another fall guy for BK and IG

More likely could the falling of BK and IG…….

[007]

Have they never heard of Zoom or Teams? Nah they jump on a plane to Vegas.

Twats.

Zoom and Teams have their place but when building relationships, getting together face to face is a much better way to do it. Spending a couple of days together every now and then, at the the Black Knights HQ or wherever, seems pretty sensible.

[I'm Spartacus]

zoom and teams have their place but when building tans, getting together face to face is a much better way to do it. Spending a couple of days together every now and then, at the the black knights hq or wherever, seems pretty sensible.


ftfy :)

[007]

ftfy :)

Thanks, bloody predictive text.

[Donegal Hibby]

Zoom and Teams have their place but when building relationships, getting together face to face is a much better way to do it. Spending a couple of days together every now and then, at the the Black Knights HQ or wherever, seems pretty sensible.

It does seem pretty sensible much like your post 007 👍

[Ozyhibby]

What was the general feeling towards Ross at that stage in did he have the fans spilt or did the majority want him gone and Ron just gave them what they wanted to a degree ?

I was totally against sacking him. It was clear he wanted McGrath from St.Mirren and Mathie didn’t get the deal done. Mathie got the sack(rightly or wrongly) and Ross did not get to the next window to fix it.
Ross knew we had midfield problems. He was sacked before he could fix it and nobody since has tried.


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[Unseen work]

I was totally against sacking him. It was clear he wanted McGrath from St.Mirren and Mathie didn’t get the deal done. Mathie got the sack(rightly or wrongly) and Ross did not get to the next window to fix it.
Ross knew we had midfield problems. He was sacked before he could fix it and nobody since has tried.


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Failing to sign McGrath and McCart really let Ross down.

He had to play McGregor in Europe who ended up getting sent off- I actually thought we were going to win it too

From where our squad was then/close to being to now is mental

[sauzee1989]

Failing to sign McGrath and McCart really let Ross down.

He had to play McGregor in Europe who ended up getting sent off- I actually thought we were going to win it too

From where our squad was then/close to being to now is mental

We got away with one not signing mccart he’s bloody useless.

[Ozyhibby]

Derek White, Head of Football Operations, has left the club interestingly.

Wait, what? Who the **** is he? I’m sorry I’m losing track of our middle managers?


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[Donegal Hibby]

I was totally against sacking him. It was clear he wanted McGrath from St.Mirren and Mathie didn’t get the deal done. Mathie got the sack(rightly or wrongly) and Ross did not get to the next window to fix it.
Ross knew we had midfield problems. He was sacked before he could fix it and nobody since has tried.


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I wanted to sign McGrath even before he went to Aberdeen having watched him in a few games for my country be it against weaker opponents as he played LW , RW and as a AM and I thought he looked good tbh and I genuinely think he’s one that might have improved us when Ross was manager … sadly it ended in a total fiasco with us missing out over the paperwork I think.

[Ozyhibby]

I wanted to sign McGrath even before he went to Aberdeen having watched him in a few games for my country be it against weaker opponents as he played LW , RW and as a AM and I thought he looked good tbh and I genuinely think he’s one that might have improved us when Ross was manager … sadly it ended in a total fiasco with us missing out over the paperwork I think.

Even if he had turned out crap, we let Ross down and then sacked him.


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[Centre Hawf]

Wait, what? Who the **** is he? I’m sorry I’m losing track of our middle managers?


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Glorified admin role and nothing to be too worked up over imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

Having a clubs best interests at heart is one of the pros for me about the Gordon’s … you say it’s the absolute minimum .. did Ashley have it at Newcastle United or the Glaziers at Man U ? .. many other examples but I think them two’s enough.

I’m hoping it won’t come to us preparing for life in the Championship either .

How much incompetence are you going to accept because they aren't the Glazers?

We're 100% going down unless something hughly changes.

[MWHIBBIES]

I was totally against sacking him. It was clear he wanted McGrath from St.Mirren and Mathie didn’t get the deal done. Mathie got the sack(rightly or wrongly) and Ross did not get to the next window to fix it.
Ross knew we had midfield problems. He was sacked before he could fix it and nobody since has tried.


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Ross wasn't sacked because of our midfield. Doidge got badly injured and we had no replacement. Hanlon was injured and we had an ancient McGregor to come in. The Gogic replacement Ross did get wasn't very good, Mr JDH. Guys like Drey Wright, Kyle Mgennis, and Jamie Murphy were offering nothing.

It was a woeful window, signing loans like James Scott and Nathan Wood.

We have signed a dozen midfield players since Ross left. Nonsense to say no one has tried since.

[dp00]

Derek White, Head of Football Operations, has left the club interestingly.

He was promoted just a few weeks ago. For a young lad his career seemed to be going in right direction at a fairly big club . He won’t be to blame for the current situation but you’d think he wouldn’t resign for no reason


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[GreenCastle]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13984657/amp/Hibs-chiefs-meet-investor-Foley-talks-manager-David-Grays-position-NOT-agenda.html

Wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Kensell wanting to get out before things get even worse ?

Don’t think a relegation on his CV will look great for any next job. Not like the previous few years will be looking great either but could he leave or would it be difficult to find another club willing to pay him the same salary.

[Since452]

Have they never heard of Zoom or Teams? Nah they jump on a plane to Vegas.

Twats.

Are we still the greenest club in Scotland or do Jollys to Vegas not count?

[.Sean.]

Are we still the greenest club in Scotland or do Jollys to Vegas not count?
Who cares about the environment when there’s an already ludicrous tan needing topped up!

[Danderhall Hibs]

I’ve just skimmed the last bit of this thread - is the thinking that they shouldn’t have gone to speak to the BKFC group then?

Seems strange given some of the other comments being made about the relationship and needing/wanting BKFC more involved but I accept I am skim reading the threads so could be picking this up wrong.

[S4uzee]

He was promoted just a few weeks ago. For a young lad his career seemed to be going in right direction at a fairly big club . He won’t be to blame for the current situation but you’d think he wouldn’t resign for no reason


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I’ve heard it’s not a very nice place to work

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I’ve heard it’s not a very nice place to work

Perfect, when can I start? I’m willing to shake the tree and ruffle a few feathers.

[SHODAN]

Have they never heard of Zoom or Teams? Nah they jump on a plane to Vegas.

Twats.

Wonder if Ben funded the trip with the £300,000 we're paying him per year or if it was claimed on expenses.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Wonder if Ben funded the trip with the £300,000 we're paying him per year or if it was claimed on expenses.

Maybe BKFC paid it? Maybe Ian Gordon did?

[easty]

Wonder if Ben funded the trip with the £300,000 we're paying him per year or if it was claimed on expenses.

We could pay it out of the savings we’ve made in not paying out win bonuses this season.

[bingo70]

I’ve just skimmed the last bit of this thread - is the thinking that they shouldn’t have gone to speak to the BKFC group then?

Seems strange given some of the other comments being made about the relationship and needing/wanting BKFC more involved but I accept I am skim reading the threads so could be picking this up wrong.

No, I think that was only one, maybe two people that have said that.

I think most people see it as a positive they’ve gone out there. I know I’m in that camp, as someone else said, that’s how you build relationships. If it was a weekly jaunt out there it’d probably be a bit much but every now and then makes sense.

[Danderhall Hibs]

No, I think that was only one, maybe two people that have said that.

I think most people see it as a positive they’ve gone out there. I know I’m in that camp, as someone else said, that’s how you build relationships. If it was a weekly jaunt out there it’d probably be a bit much but every now and then makes sense.

Great. I was hoping it was the extremes I had read. Now onto who paid for it!

[7Hero]

Great. I was hoping it was the extremes I had read. Now onto who paid for it!

Hibs will have paid for it it'll be a business expense. The question is if they travelled economy of upper class, and I think we all know the answer to that.

[blackpoolhibs]

Foley would have pished his pants laughing at those two incompetants, oh you need me now eh?

Clowns.

[flash]

Foley would have pished his pants laughing at those two incompetants, oh you need me now eh?

Clowns.

Hopefully he tore them a new one before telling them what's going to happen to get us out of this massive hole.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hibs will have paid for it it'll be a business expense. The question is if they travelled economy of upper class, and I think we all know the answer to that.

BKFC may have paid and I have no idea what class they travelled.

[Trinity Hibee]

Hopefully he tore them a new one before telling them what's going to happen to get us out of this massive hole.

🤞🏼

[blackpoolhibs]

Hopefully he tore them a new one before telling them what's going to happen to get us out of this massive hole.
:agree:

I'd prefer it if he had someone he knew that wanted to buy us, and get these two as far away as possible from the club.

But for now, yes i hope Foley gets to run the football side of the club, and those two just go away for the good of the club.

[Danderhall Hibs]

How long does Foley get before he gets the blame and we want a new minority investor?

[MWHIBBIES]

How long does Foley get before he gets the blame and we want a new minority investor?

Oh, about 4 years of having full control of the club and taking us miles backward should do it.

Do you think Ian Gordon is getting unjustified stick?

[Lago]

No, I think that was only one, maybe two people that have said that.

I think most people see it as a positive they’ve gone out there. I know I’m in that camp, as someone else said, that’s how you build relationships. If it was a weekly jaunt out there it’d probably be a bit much but every now and then makes sense.
Perhaps just perhaps Mr. Folley suggested to Ian and Ben it would be nice to see them in Las Vegas to discuss his investment, bit like the Godfather ��

[Paulie Walnuts]

:agree:

I'd prefer it if he had someone he knew that wanted to buy us, and get these two as far away as possible from the club.

But for now, yes i hope Foley gets to run the football side of the club, and those two just go away for the good of the club.

Your first sentence is actually a fairly good point. It wouldn’t surprise me, infact I’d think it’s highly likely, that if the Gordon’s sell that Foley will have found someone he wants to work with and done a bit of the groundwork. That’s if BKFC don’t buy us outright.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Oh, about 4 years of having full control of the club and taking us miles backward should do it.

Do you think Ian Gordon is getting unjustified stick?

No - Malky.

[Centre Hawf]

Your first sentence is actually a fairly good point. It wouldn’t surprise me, infact I’d think it’s highly likely, that if the Gordon’s sell that Foley will have found someone he wants to work with and done a bit of the groundwork. That’s if BKFC don’t buy us outright.

Not sure they're currently allowed to.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not sure they're currently allowed to.

They’re not, but I’d be surprised if that remains the case forever.

[MWHIBBIES]

No - Malky.

Well, it looks like his window, and managerial appointment, are going to take us down. So he's deserving a bit of stick too.

Dempster and George Craig arrived in a far greater mess than Mackay did. They got Stubbs and 2 excellent experienced coaches. They signed Fontaine, Mcgeouch, Allan, Malonga, Gray, Farid. They took us to a league cup quarter and a Scottish cup semi that season, and finished above the Huns. In January we got Fyvie and Boyle. All with far less rescources

It's quite possible to turn things around very quickly.

[CL0762]

I wonder if an arrangement similar to what INEOS have at Man Utd could be something the club looks into.

BKFC take responsibility for football, IG & co look after the rest.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Well, it looks like his window, and managerial appointment, are going to take us down. So he's deserving a bit of stick too.

Dempster and George Craig arrived in a far greater mess than Mackay did. They got Stubbs and 2 excellent experienced coaches. They signed Fontaine, Mcgeouch, Allan, Malonga, Gray, Farid. They took us to a league cup quarter and a Scottish cup semi that season, and finished above the Huns. In January we got Fyvie and Boyle. All with far less rescources

It's quite possible to turn things around very quickly.

Not after 8 games they didn’t. Sure we lost to Alloa in his first 8 games.

[Donegal Hibby]

Well, it looks like his window, and managerial appointment, are going to take us down. So he's deserving a bit of stick too.

Dempster and George Craig arrived in a far greater mess than Mackay did. They got Stubbs and 2 excellent experienced coaches. They signed Fontaine, Mcgeouch, Allan, Malonga, Gray, Farid. They took us to a league cup quarter and a Scottish cup semi that season, and finished above the Huns. In January we got Fyvie and Boyle. All with far less rescources

It's quite possible to turn things around very quickly.

Did we not basically have most of the squad that took us down gone and it was more a matter of rebuilding it than what Mackay’s came into with players on contracts that don’t want to move …

Which is probably a greater mess that than the one your suggesting was ?

[MWHIBBIES]

Did we not basically have most of the squad that took us down gone and it was more a matter of rebuilding it than what Mackay’s came into with players on contracts that don’t want to move …

Which is probably a greater mess that than the one your suggesting was ?
Far more money to spend now.


Not after 8 games they didn’t. Sure we lost to Alloa in his first 8 games.

Wasn't a great start, although a 3-1 win at Ibrox was excellent. Do you think this Hibs side beats that one?

[Unseen work]

Not after 8 games they didn’t. Sure we lost to Alloa in his first 8 games.

It’s actually funny when you look at his start at us in the championship and what the fans would think now

Rangers (cup) - 2-1 defeat
Livingston - 2-1 win
Hearts - 2-1 defeat
Falkirk - 1-0 defeat
Dumbarton (cup) - 3-2 win
Allow - 2-1 defeat
Cowdenbeath - 3-2 win
Queens of the South - 1-0 defeat

4 defeats in his opening 6 championship games!

[Danderhall Hibs]

Far more money to spend now.



Wasn't a great start, although a 3-1 win at Ibrox was excellent. Do you think this Hibs side beats that one?

Lost a derby, scraped a win vs Dumbarton, lost to QOTS, annihilated in the cup by rangers. Stubbs as a first time manager should’ve been gone.

Hard to say how they’d have got on against each other - maybe see it in McGregors testimonial.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lost a derby, scraped a win vs Dumbarton, lost to QOTS, annihilated in the cup by rangers. Stubbs as a first time manager should’ve been gone.

Hard to say how they’d have got on against each other - maybe see it in McGregors testimonial.

Rangers beat us by a goal. I’m not sure how that qualifies as an annihilation yet us beating Dumbarton by a goal is scraping by.

It’s not hard to say how the sides would have got on against each other at all. Alan Stubbs Hibs side would wipe the floor with this group.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Rangers beat us by a goal. I’m not sure how that qualifies as an annihilation yet us beating Dumbarton by a goal is scraping by.

It’s not hard to say how the sides would have got on against each other at all. Alan Stubbs Hibs side would wipe the floor with this group.

Was it not 6-2? The first 8 games Alan Stubbs side might’ve struggled based on the facts.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s actually funny when you look at his start at us in the championship and what the fans would think now

Rangers (cup) - 2-1 defeat
Livingston - 2-1 win
Hearts - 2-1 defeat
Falkirk - 1-0 defeat
Dumbarton - 3-2 win
Allow - 2-1 defeat
Cowdenbeath - 3-2 win
Queens of the South - 1-0 defeat

A ***** start that, I do remember wrongly. Let's hope Gray can turn it round in similar style.

[Danderhall Hibs]

A ***** start that, I do remember wrongly. Let's hope Gray can turn it round in similar style.

Cheers. Should’ve been sacked?

[MWHIBBIES]

Was it not 6-2? The first 8 games Alan Stubbs side might’ve struggled based on the facts.

No. That was a year later. With 11 guys injured.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Was it not 6-2? The first 8 games Alan Stubbs side might’ve struggled based on the facts.

Na. It was 2-1 AET.

The first 8 games Alan Stubbs side would beat this side imo.

[Danderhall Hibs]

No. That was a year later. With 11 guys injured.

Ooft. After a full season he still lost games badly. Should’ve been gone after the first 8.

[Centre Hawf]

They’re not, but I’d be surprised if that remains the case forever.

I agree with you, I think it will change in time. We received the scrutiny because we were one of the first to do it and Scottish Football is scared of change. You only have to see how quickly the grunts over the road have changed their tune about getting into bed with other clubs since Brighton lifted their skirt at them and showed a bit of leg.

The second Rangers get themselves bought up by some sort of Red Bull type to save them from their next car crash financial situation it will be fast tracked approved anyway.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Na. It was 2-1 AET.

The first 8 games Alan Stubbs side would beat this side imo.

There’s no point debating it really - but based on their actual results instead of their perception it’s hard to back the Stubbs side.

[MWHIBBIES]

Cheers. Should’ve been sacked?

Who? I don't think anyone shouldve been sacked then. Was a brutal situation to turn round. The 3-1 win at Ibrox showed what we could do.

I don't want Gray sacked. I want our ***** owner to **** off.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Who? I don't think anyone shouldve been sacked then. Was a brutal situation to turn round. The 3-1 win at Ibrox showed what we could do.

I don't want Gray sacked. I want our ***** owner to **** off.

Stubbs. His first 8 games were horrendous. Recruitment must’ve been appalling.

[Centre Hawf]

It’s actually funny when you look at his start at us in the championship and what the fans would think now

Rangers (cup) - 2-1 defeat
Livingston - 2-1 win
Hearts - 2-1 defeat
Falkirk - 1-0 defeat
Dumbarton (cup) - 3-2 win
Allow - 2-1 defeat
Cowdenbeath - 3-2 win
Queens of the South - 1-0 defeat

4 defeats in his opening 6 championship games!

Bit of a tangent but my controversial opinion is that if Danny Handling didn't get sent off in that game at Ibrox he'd have went on to have had a good Hibs career.

[we are hibs]

Hilarious the amount of mental gymnastics going on here [emoji23]

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[blackpoolhibs]

Hilarious the amount of mental gymnastics going on here [emoji23]

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:agree:

Cant be long before someone mentions Alex Ferguson.

[Danderhall Hibs]

:agree:

Cant be long before someone mentions Alex Ferguson.

Just stuck with Stubbs as the example. First 8 games were shocking but we stuck with him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Stubbs. His first 8 games were horrendous. Recruitment must’ve been appalling.

Grays has 13 games now. Not 8.

If Gray is lifting the Scottish cup end of next season, I'll give you 10 grand.

It's going very wrong, very quickly this season.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Grays has 13 games now. Not 8.

If Gray is lifting the Scottish cup end of next season, I'll give you 10 grand.

It's going very wrong, very quickly this season.

His record is better if you include the games he won though - best to stick to the league for the lower percentage.

Anyway - how do you bookmark a post for May 2026?

[He's here!]

Well, it looks like his window, and managerial appointment, are going to take us down. So he's deserving a bit of stick too.

Dempster and George Craig arrived in a far greater mess than Mackay did. They got Stubbs and 2 excellent experienced coaches. They signed Fontaine, Mcgeouch, Allan, Malonga, Gray, Farid. They took us to a league cup quarter and a Scottish cup semi that season, and finished above the Huns. In January we got Fyvie and Boyle. All with far less rescources

It's quite possible to turn things around very quickly.

Yep. The Stubbs/Dempster/Craig rebuild was achieved by a small team who worked well together and clearly understood how to put an effective, often excellent, playing squad together. These days we seem to have a vast team either directly or loosely involved in the recruitment process, a process which has failed dismally since the Gordons took over. The process is, it seems, in the process of being overhauled, but it'll apparently be next summer before we see the benefits. Or perhaps not if we've been relegated by then.

Bottom line, the team was rebuilt and set on an upward trajectory in the Stubbs era and ultimately returned to the top flight as a meaningful force. The Gordon era has saddled us with a constant stream of sub-standard players and wiped out all semblance of the previous progress made by the club.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The small team in 2014 started with a clean slate (a handfuls of players?).

They then went onto have a worse start than this team who were saddled with a bloated squad who we all wanted cleared out.