Gordon, Kensell, Mackay and co..times up

[Greenworld]

It’s just madness that after Monty was sacked we done a full review with the black knights

The black knights never wanted Malky or SDG

The Gordons etc decided to ignore their new and highly successful partners and go with what they want

6 later we’re ripping it up again

Got to imagine Marshall will be one that’s leaving too?The knights wanted to keep Monty they liked what he was trying to do . They reckoned with the right players he would be good.

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[Centre Hawf]

The knights wanted to keep Monty they liked what he was trying to do . They reckoned with the right players he would be good.

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Worrying.

[Greenworld]

Worrying.Not really I understood , anyway we moved on .

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[Unseen work]

The knights wanted to keep Monty they liked what he was trying to do . They reckoned with the right players he would be good.

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I did hear that at the time.

It would be interesting to see who they would go for as manager. Interestingly with Auckland FC they went for a manager with experience in the A League and same with Lorient they appointed an experienced manager from Ligue 1.

Would they look to do the same here?

Derek Mcinnes?
Stuart Kettlewell - Has done and is currently doing really well with Motherwell
Tony Docherty - Less time as a manager but very experienced and done a not bad job at Dundee
John McGlynn? I say in jest however he’s done a brilliant job at Falkirk and they play brilliant football. Would he come up on some analytics?

Be interesting what route we would go down

[CapitalGreen]

12 directors??
Who are they??
No wonder decisions Cant be made

Our executive board, as in those with the power to vote on decisions, has 5 members - same as Bournemouth.

[bingo70]

I did hear that at the time.

It would be interesting to see who they would go for as manager. Interestingly with Auckland FC they went for a manager with experience in the A League and same with Lorient they appointed an experienced manager from Ligue 1.

Would they look to do the same here?

Derek Mcinnes?
Stuart Kettlewell - Has done and is currently doing really well with Motherwell
Tony Docherty - Less time as a manager but very experienced and done a not bad job at Dundee
John McGlynn? I say in jest however he’s done a brilliant job at Falkirk and they play brilliant football. Would he come up on some analytics?

Be interesting what route we would go down

John Kennedy or Scott Brown would both likely be considered if we wanted a Scottish option.

Neither got much experience however older more experienced options may be less likely to want to work under the multi club structure.

Billy Reid maybe?

[TrinityHFC]

Our executive board, as in those with the power to vote on decisions, has 5 members - same as Bournemouth.

That’s not right. The board as a whole make the decisions that are required at board level.

[hibsforeurope]

John Kennedy or Scott Brown would both likely be considered if we wanted a Scottish option.

Neither got much experience however older more experienced options may be less likely to want to work under the multi club structure.

Billy Reid maybe?

If not Mcinnes, i'd like us to approach Alex Neil, if this is the way the BKFC are going.

[Slim Shady]

The knights wanted to keep Monty they liked what he was trying to do . They reckoned with the right players he would be good.

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Monty was hampered by being told who can play and who he cant.

Same with SDG.

Get MM the bully out!

[Jones28]

Monty was hampered by being told who can play and who he cant.

Same with SDG.

Get MM the bully out!

Who told Monty he couldn't play who he wanted? Is this in reference to Le Fondre?

[Slim Shady]

Who told Monty he couldn't play who he wanted? Is this in reference to Le Fondre?

And other players.

[hibsmad]

I might be totally wrong but if the BK’s do take over then I can’t see any chance of them going for a McInnes or a Kettlewell. It’ll be some foreign guy we haven’t heard of but who the BK’s have already targeted as a coach whose football style fits into their model.

Absolutely no chance they’d be hiring McInnes and then asking him how many big hard Scottish *******s he wants in his team.

[Scotty Leither]

And other players.

He was also told to play Whittaker to try and bump up his value.

[Jones28]

And other players.

Like who? And who told NM he couldn't play them?

[Centre Hawf]

Like who? And who told NM he couldn't play them?

Paul and Lewy were two that were to at least be phased out. The club wanted the likes of Rocky playing instead.

[21May16]

Goodness me, are you incapable of making stuff up on your own?

That’s riggghhttt everything is made up all the time.

[Since452]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

Please, please, please be true 🙏

[WeAreHibs]

He was also told to play Whittaker to try and bump up his value.

Was he aye?

[southern hibby]

I may be totally wrong here but isn’t there something in the premier league ( English ) rules that say you can only own a certain percentage of another club?

If this is indeed the case have the black knights got a way around this, or am I just imagining it?


GGTTH

[Unseen work]

He was also told to play Whittaker to try and bump up his value.

Struggle to believe this.

Whittaker was nowhere near the first team when Monty came in, I just don’t believe the club picked Whittaker randomly and said you need to play that young 16 year old

[Since452]

Struggle to believe this.

Whittaker was nowhere near the first team when Monty came in, I just don’t believe the club picked Whittaker randomly and said you need to play that young 16 year old

Nowhere before and nowhere since. Monty was just a poor, poor manager.

[J-C]

And other players.

Wanted to play Hanlon more but told to get the age down and phase these guys out, same with La Fondre and Stevenson, I wouldn't be surprised if this came from IG and Kensell, far too much interference from people who have no right to be involved, hence the **** show we have now.

[Northernhibee]

Wanted to play Hanlon more but told to get the age down and phase these guys out, same with La Fondre and Stevenson, I wouldn't be surprised if this came from IG and Kensell, far too much interference from people who have no right to be involved, hence the **** show we have now.

Yep. If Monty was told that Le Fondre couldn’t be played (if the player himself if giving an accurate account) it’s not a huge leap of faith to think that could have happened elsewhere. It may not have, but it’s also quite easily to believe that it could have.

When he gets another job, I’m convinced that he’ll show he was a good manager caught in something of a ****show.

[Unseen work]

Wanted to play Hanlon more but told to get the age down and phase these guys out, same with La Fondre and Stevenson, I wouldn't be surprised if this came from IG and Kensell, far too much interference from people who have no right to be involved, hence the **** show we have now.

Were people not raging at the time that Monty and especially Raimundo never liked Hanlon because of his lack of pace and that was the reason he wasn’t played?

Now they’ve gone it’s someone else that is saying he shouldn’t have played

[BlackSheep]

Nowhere before and nowhere since. Monty was just a poor, poor manager.

Whittaker is out on loan… he also attends the games he can and sits with the first team squad in the west upper… I wouldn’t say he is nowhere near.

[K-Zazu]

I may be totally wrong here but isn’t there something in the premier league ( English ) rules that say you can only own a certain percentage of another club?

If this is indeed the case have the black knights got a way around this, or am I just imagining it?


GGTTH

Yip, it’s not going to be happening. No way the SFA would allow it.

[J-C]

Yep. If Monty was told that Le Fondre couldn’t be played (if the player himself if giving an accurate account) it’s not a huge leap of faith to think that could have happened elsewhere. It may not have, but it’s also quite easily to believe that it could have.

When he gets another job, I’m convinced that he’ll show he was a good manager caught in something of a ****show.

La Fondre mentioned when he left that he was told he wouldn't be considered and no reason seemed to be given, he was non too happy with certain people at the club due to this.

Adam Le Fondre says he had 'a blast' at Hibs - despite being 'disappointed with how certain people treated me'. The veteran forward's one-year deal at Easter Road is coming to an end, with former manager Nick Montgomery confirming earlier this month that he was not being offered an extension.

[AugustaHibs]

Whittaker is out on loan… he also attends the games he can and sits with the first team squad in the west upper… I wouldn’t say he is nowhere near.

He can’t even get a game for Spartans.

[bingo70]

Yip, it’s not going to be happening. No way the SFA would allow it.

Why wouldn’t they?

[K-Zazu]

Why wouldn’t they?

Because the BK own a club in England? Rangers and Celtic need protecting? Probably lots of reasons but i just can’t see it ever happening.

[J-C]

Were people not raging at the time that Monty and especially Raimundo never liked Hanlon because of his lack of pace and that was the reason he wasn’t played?

Now they’ve gone it’s someone else that is saying he shouldn’t have played

Probably a case of stories at the time and since all getting muddled, the big problem I can see is there was outside interference with the playing squad, probably from IG and BK, we've seen IG's interference with player recruitment and I wouldn't be surprised if BK did the same behind the scenes. What you have is what you see know, a poor playing squad, a rookie manager and coaching staff and and owner so far out his depth it's frightening, offered help from BK group but thought he knew better, probably with Kensell whispering in his ear.

[cocopops1875]

Why wouldn’t they?

Because they are against a multi club ownership model and stipulated that BK group could only own 25% I believe.

However hypothetically what’s to stop Foley g er trying a mate to buy a controlling share?

[Unseen work]

Probably a case of stories at the time and since all getting muddled, the big problem I can see is there was outside interference with the playing squad, probably from IG and BK, we've seen IG's interference with player recruitment and I wouldn't be surprised if BK did the same behind the scenes. What you have is what you see know, a poor playing squad, a rookie manager and coaching staff and and owner so far out his depth it's frightening, offered help from BK group but thought he knew better, probably with Kensell whispering in his ear.

Agree with alot of us, I just don’t think the club are telling managers who to play.

The ALF one I think is slightly different as it would have triggered an extra year in his contract. ALF said himself he probably would have decided the same if he was BK etc, the issue he had was apparently no one had the decency to speak to him.

If we want a model with a sporting director etc, it’s their responsibility to see potential issues of triggering another year and decide if that’s a player we want or not.

[Centre Hawf]

La Fondre mentioned when he left that he was told he wouldn't be considered and no reason seemed to be given, he was non too happy with certain people at the club due to this.

Adam Le Fondre says he had 'a blast' at Hibs - despite being 'disappointed with how certain people treated me'. The veteran forward's one-year deal at Easter Road is coming to an end, with former manager Nick Montgomery confirming earlier this month that he was not being offered an extension.

It was because he had a clause in his contract about getting him a new 1 year extension if he hit a certain number of appearances, the club had decided they didn't want that to happen and thus Monty was not to play him until he agreed to drop that clause. I can't remember if it ever was or not.

[Billy Whizz]

Our executive board, as in those with the power to vote on decisions, has 5 members - same as Bournemouth.

So what do the other 7 do, sounds like lots of jolly’s

[21May16]

Because the BK own a club in England? Rangers and Celtic need protecting? Probably lots of reasons but i just can’t see it ever happening.

The Huns need investment and fast. This would open the door to them getting taken over by a group chain and it not looking like the sfa are helping them directly or changing the rules for them.

[21May16]

It was because he had a clause in his contract about getting him a new 1 year extension if he hit a certain number of appearances, the club had decided they didn't want that to happen and thus Monty was not to play him until he agreed to drop that clause. I can't remember if it ever was or not.

the clause got removed allowing him to play.

[greenginger]

So what do the other 7 do, sounds like lots of jolly’s


Advise .

one is an employment law specialist, must be earning her seat with all the pay-offs :greengrin

[Jock O]

So what do the other 7 do, sounds like lots of jolly’s

Why would they not be allowed to vote, that is not a usual board structure. They are normally brought on to a board to bring their specific business expertise, which seems pretty relevant when you look at who they are.

And given all of them are pretty successful business people, not sure they really need the Hibs expense account for their "jolly's".

This seems to be another accusation at the club that doesn't stack up.

[J-C]

the clause got removed allowing him to play.

I think he was angry about the way it was done, he was suddenly not being picked and only after he asked why it was explained to him, he himself took out the clause so he could continue to play, all very amateur from the club.

[Ozyhibby]

The Huns need investment and fast. This would open the door to them getting taken over by a group chain and it not looking like the sfa are helping them directly or changing the rules for them.

It’s in all clubs interest not to close doors on potential sources of income or investment.


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[Billy Whizz]

Why would they not be allowed to vote, that is not a usual board structure. They are normally brought on to a board to bring their specific business expertise, which seems pretty relevant when you look at who they are.

And given all of them are pretty successful business people, not sure they really need the Hibs expense account for their "jolly's".

This seems to be another accusation at the club that doesn't stack up.

So it’s all going swimmingly well at Hibs then Jock

[NGoloGrantie]

I may be totally wrong here but isn’t there something in the premier league ( English ) rules that say you can only own a certain percentage of another club?

If this is indeed the case have the black knights got a way around this, or am I just imagining it?


GGTTH

Don’t think so. Man City owners own about 4 clubs outright. Bill foley with Bournemouth and obviously lorient/auckland. Pozzo family own both Watford and udinese and Nottingham Forrest and olympiacos have same owner. Sure there’s more but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I think it’s only an issue if both teams under same ownership are competing in European competitions


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[21May16]

I think he was angry about the way it was done, he was suddenly not being picked and only after he asked why it was explained to him, he himself took out the clause so he could continue to play, all very amateur from the club.

Indeed. But sadly completely believable in the grand scheme of things.

[21May16]

It’s in all clubs interest not to close doors on potential sources of income or investment.


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Agree, especially legitimate multi club organisations who have a proven track record

[Jock O]

So it’s all going swimmingly well at Hibs then Jock

Not sure I said that anywhere. But equally not really sure how much input the non exec directors have to the football side and why they are now being brought into it.

My point was answering what seems to have been something just made up about the board, unless someone can confirm the earlier statements.

[Centre Hawf]

Not sure I said that anywhere. But equally not really sure how much input the non exec directors have to the football side and why they are now being brought into it.

My point was answering what seems to have been something just made up about the board, unless someone can confirm the earlier statements.

I agree. I think people mistake this idea that there's a bunch of people sat around a board table voting on Dave Gray as the manager or determining the budget allocated for a new centre half. When in reality a lot of them are mostly probably acting as consultants on an area they have expertise in such as law, finance, marketing etc.

[GreenPJ]

I agree. I think people mistake this idea that there's a bunch of people sat around a board table voting on Dave Gray as the manager or determining the budget allocated for a new centre half. When in reality a lot of them are mostly probably acting as consultants on an area they have expertise in such as law, finance, marketing etc.

You can provide advice/be a consultant without being designated as a director.

[Centre Hawf]

You can provide advice/be a consultant without being designated as a director.

Of course you can. But it doesn't make it any less abnormal that businesses have non-executive directors. It's not the jolly people make it to be.

[007]

I did hear that at the time.

It would be interesting to see who they would go for as manager. Interestingly with Auckland FC they went for a manager with experience in the A League and same with Lorient they appointed an experienced manager from Ligue 1.

Would they look to do the same here?

Derek Mcinnes?
Stuart Kettlewell - Has done and is currently doing really well with Motherwell
Tony Docherty - Less time as a manager but very experienced and done a not bad job at Dundee
John McGlynn? I say in jest however he’s done a brilliant job at Falkirk and they play brilliant football. Would he come up on some analytics?

Be interesting what route we would go down

The Black Knights seemingly liked the playing style Monty was trying to implement. Do any of those managers play a similar style? The answer to that will mostly answer your question.

[andrew70]

He was also told to play Whittaker to try and bump up his value.

That’s 100% not true and also very demeaning to young Rory.

He was seen in Montgomery’s first youth game he watched. Rory is a good young lad, of good stock and was exceptional in a game against Rangers. It also came at a time when we needed a RB.

Rory’s time will come again but it’s nothing to do with his monetary value.

[Unseen work]

The Black Knights seemingly liked the playing style Monty was trying to implement. Do any of those managers play a similar style? The answer to that will mostly answer your question.

Probably McGlynn is the one who plays the best football, however I’d be intrigued to see Hibs fans reactions to hiring him 🤣

[Ozyhibby]

That’s 100% not true and also very demeaning to young Rory.

He was seen in Montgomery’s first youth game he watched. Rory is a good young lad, of good stock and was exceptional in a game against Rangers. It also came at a time when we needed a RB.

Rory’s time will come again but it’s nothing to do with his monetary value.

His dad is going to have to stop slagging of his managers when he doesn’t get a game or he could find his chances limited.


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[Benny Brazil]

His dad is going to have to stop slagging of his managers when he doesn’t get a game or he could find his

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And stop criticising the club where his son came through the youth set up.
Think he thinks his son is better than he actually is.

[superfurryhibby]

And stop criticising the club where his son came through the youth set up.
Think he thinks his son is better than he actually is.

Where is his Father doing this? That would be incredibly dumb.

[chrisski33]

Any news of the departures yet???

[Unseen work]

Where is his Father doing this? That would be incredibly dumb.

Twitter

Edit - just checked and seems like he’s deleted the posts

[Smartie]

"His Dad is an outspoken dick" seems to be a fairly decent identifying factor that a good youngster is ultimately going to fail to make the grade.

[Benny Brazil]

Where is his Father doing this? That would be incredibly dumb.

On Twitter

[SHODAN]

"His Dad is an outspoken dick" seems to be a fairly decent identifying factor that a good youngster is ultimately going to fail to make the grade.

Paul Byrne syndrome.

[Ozyhibby]

Twitter

Edit - just checked and seems like he’s deleted the posts

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241105/02c30020f6a6f6e2c44f46544d84e6ff.png

And Facebook. Not smart.


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[SHODAN]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241105/02c30020f6a6f6e2c44f46544d84e6ff.png

And Facebook. Not smart.


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Big "I'm living out my dreams of being a footballer through my son" energy.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Big "I'm living out my dreams of being a footballer through my son" energy.

Somewhere in the south of France, Elie Youan’s father is thinking “I need to up my game”

[Unseen work]

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And Facebook. Not smart.


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Feel sorry for Rory with his dad posting nonsense like that.

His dad must be totally oblivious to how awkward that makes things for Rory at Spartans

[andrew70]

Where is his Father doing this? That would be incredibly dumb.

Think he realises this now.

[JimBHibees]

Feel sorry for Rory with his dad posting nonsense like that.

His dad must be totally oblivious to how awkward that makes things for Rory at Spartans

Bizarre behaviour

[superfurryhibby]

Somewhere in the south of France, Elie Youan’s father is thinking “I need to up my game”

:top marks:greengrin

[Joe6-2]

Wanted to play Hanlon more but told to get the age down and phase these guys out, same with La Fondre and Stevenson, I wouldn't be surprised if this came from IG and Kensell, far too much interference from people who have no right to be involved, hence the **** show we have now.

Apart from having no right, they don’t have *** clue

[Hibees1973]

Just catching up on the last few pages. Fair number of posts on this thread since this time yesterday.

I really don't know how much of the stuff on the last 10 or so pages is fact or p*sh. But it's probably not difficult to deduce there may be more than a grain of truth among some of the posts. If there is to be a total change at the club, what is not in any doubt is the complete and utter sh*t show the Gordons have made of things on the park. It has really been depressing stuff for the last 2-3 years seeing the decline of the team.

What annoys me more than anything is that there have been a fair number of charlatans (whether it's on or off the park) who have been handsomely rewarded during their time at the club.

No doubt if any go out the door they will be well compensated for leaving as well.

I have my doubts about the BKFC.

I live in hope we can get an owner who is respectable, has good ethics and appoints qualified and good people to the key roles at the club.

This would be a start.

[Trinity Hibee]

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And Facebook. Not smart.


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Jesus that cringe and pathetic. Shame for Rory

Particularly given all Spartans have achieved under Dougie

[JimBHibees]

Jesus that cringe and pathetic. Shame for Rory

Particularly given all Spartans have achieved under Dougie

Yep hugely disrespectful

[CropleyWasGod]

You can provide advice/be a consultant without being designated as a director.

Advice and consultancy usually comes at a cost. Our non-execs don't.

[Wilson]

Somewhere in the south of France, Elie Youan’s father is thinking “I need to up my game”

Think Elie has the social media faux pas covered.

[21May16]

Advice and consultancy usually comes at a cost. Our non-execs don't.

Are our free ones doing a good job?

[Ozyhibby]

Jesus that cringe and pathetic. Shame for Rory

Particularly given all Spartans have achieved under Dougie

It’s top of the iceberg as it’s been going on for weeks. Hopefully stop now.


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[GreenPJ]

Advice and consultancy usually comes at a cost. Our non-execs don't.

As directors (exec or not) would they not receive 'expenses' for their role/time?

[Greenworld]

Because they are against a multi club ownership model and stipulated that BK group could only own 25% I believe.

However hypothetically what’s to stop Foley g er trying a mate to buy a controlling share?I'm not sure the ownership is going to change , there may well be changes going to happen on the way the club is run.At this moment I don't think ownership is changing

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[CropleyWasGod]

As directors (exec or not) would they not receive 'expenses' for their role/time?

We don't pay non-execs for their role. I don't think we ever have.

Legitimate expenses (travelling, for example, although less likely these days) will be paid.

Other than the CEO, our executive Board members are paid very little. £45k-ish from the last accounts, between 3 of them. (The Exec Chair doesn't get paid).

[Smartie]

We don't pay non-execs for their role. I don't think we ever have.

Legitimate expenses (travelling, for example, although less likely these days) will be paid.

Other than the CEO, our executive Board members are paid very little. £45k-ish from the last accounts, between 4 of them.

Is that normal for that sort of thing or a bit weird?

It feels weird, without knowing anything about the inner workings.

[CropleyWasGod]

Is that normal for that sort of thing or a bit weird?

It feels weird, without knowing anything about the inner workings.

Not paying non-execs?

It's common, but not in larger companies. Many people make a good living out of non-exec roles. I've done both paid and unpaid, although the unpaid tend to be more in the charitable sector. (insert your own punchline here).

It is fairly common in football, though.

[superfurryhibby]

Is that normal for that sort of thing or a bit weird?

It feels weird, without knowing anything about the inner workings.

I'm guessing there are some of them who like Hibs and are willing to give some time to the club on that basis. Take Leslie Robb, successful financial services/asset management background, retired, large minority shareholder.

Malcolm McPherson is non-exec Chairman, served on previous Hibs boards and is a die hard Hibee (not sure if he's retired, I think he is).

Bill Foley is a director, he'll not be at many board meetings.

[Smartie]

Not paying non-execs?

It's common, but not in larger companies. Many people make a good living out of non-exec roles. I've done both paid and unpaid, although the unpaid tend to be more in the charitable sector. (insert your own punchline here).

It is fairly common in football, though.

I was meaning more the difference between all the different directors.

I'd expect there to be execs and non-execs.

But to have one massively highly paid and them some others very poorly paid - is that normal?

Seems strange to me, but this isn't a world I'm familiar with.

[Murphys Touch]

I was meaning more the difference between all the different directors.

I'd expect there to be execs and non-execs.

But to have one massively highly paid and them some others very poorly paid - is that normal?

Seems strange to me, but this isn't a world I'm familiar with.

Fairly normal aye

[CropleyWasGod]

I was meaning more the difference between all the different directors.

I'd expect there to be execs and non-execs.

But to have one massively highly paid and them some others very poorly paid - is that normal?

Seems strange to me, but this isn't a world I'm familiar with.

Gotcha.

My take on that is that the other 4 exec directors (Kit and Ian Gordon, Bill Foley, and the other BK guy whose name I can never remember) aren't in it for the salary. Their focus is on driving the value of their shares higher, so that they can benefit when they sell.

The CEO salary (and I'm not getting into the argument about its worth. That's been done to death :greengrin) is largely based on income generation, and is presumably set out in his contract. Interestingly, it's the remuneration committee (which is made up of non-exec directors) that decides on his salary and bonuses.

[Ozyhibby]

Gotcha.

My take on that is that the other 4 exec directors (Kit and Ian Gordon, Bill Foley, and the other BK guy whose name I can never remember) aren't in it for the salary. Their focus is on driving the value of their shares higher, so that they can benefit when they sell.

The CEO salary (and I'm not getting into the argument about its worth. That's been done to death :greengrin) is largely based on income generation, and is presumably set out in his contract. Interestingly, it's the remuneration committee (which is made up of non-exec directors) that decides on his salary and bonuses.

Is it normal for the CEO to be on the board?


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[CropleyWasGod]

Is it normal for the CEO to be on the board?


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Rod and Leeann were.

Hearts do it. Think Rangers also.

[Greenworld]

Rod and Leeann were.

Hearts do it. Think Rangers also.On the hearts I see the debt apart 1.5m they have a 8 million loan on the books

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[CropleyWasGod]

On the hearts I see the debt apart 1.5m they have a 8 million loan on the books

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I'm not seeing that. I can see the £85k Covid loan, and Budge's £3.3m.

They took out a "facility" from a director after the year-end of £7m, of which they drew down £4m in September. Part of that is to pay off the Budge loan.

Have I missed something else?

[Greenworld]

I'm not seeing that. I can see the £85k Covid loan, and Budge's £3.3m.

They took out a "facility" from a director after the year-end of £7m, of which they drew down £4m in September. Part of that is to pay off the Budge loan.

Have I missed something else?Yes sorry that's what it was what's the difference?

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[Hibs4185]

I'm not seeing that. I can see the £85k Covid loan, and Budge's £3.3m.

They took out a "facility" from a director after the year-end of £7m, of which they drew down £4m in September. Part of that is to pay off the Budge loan.

Have I missed something else?

Wonder which other director has the funds to offer a football club £7 million other than Budge and Anderson?

[CapitalGreen]

Wonder which other director has the funds to offer a football club £7 million other than Budge and Anderson?

Presumably it is just Budge who has given the loan? Existing loan due next year cleared and a new loan with a 10 year term replaces it. She does like to charge interest “at commercial rates” on her loans to Hearts.

[McIntosh]

Since Gordon et al., took stewardship of this club there has been a poverty of poor appointments. Kensell has strengths, but his judgement when it come to football matters has been clearly lacking. If, and I mean if, a take over is in the offing all would have to go. David Gray, sadly must take responsibility for matters on the pitch, I don't think Eddie Turnbull or Neil Lennon believed in "safe places" on or of the pitch. Players sometimes don't need to be frightened, they need to be terrified. There is a massive rebuilding job needing to be done at Hibs and the Gordons are sadly not a part of it.

[leith lynx]

I'm guessing there are some of them who like Hibs and are willing to give some time to the club on that basis. Take Leslie Robb, successful financial services/asset management background, retired, large minority shareholder.

Kit Gordon is a non-exec. She has a background in charitable work and I think it's no surprise that we have seen our community foundation flourish since the Gordon's became owners.

Malcolm McPherson is non-exec Chairman, served on previous Hibs boards and is a die hard Hibee (not sure if he's retired, I think he is).

Bill Foley is a director, he'll not be at many board meetings.

Foley via Zoom.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm guessing there are some of them who like Hibs and are willing to give some time to the club on that basis. Take Leslie Robb, successful financial services/asset management background, retired, large minority shareholder.

Kit Gordon is a non-exec. She has a background in charitable work and I think it's no surprise that we have seen our community foundation flourish since the Gordon's became owners.

Malcolm McPherson is non-exec Chairman, served on previous Hibs boards and is a die hard Hibee (not sure if he's retired, I think he is).

Bill Foley is a director, he'll not be at many board meetings.

Kit Gordon is an executive Board member.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/club/directors

[TrinityHFC]

Kit Gordon is an executive Board member.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/club/directors

Not really.

The distinction is due to our articles now having 2 majority owner directors and 2 investor directors. They aren’t listed as NEDs but they are in the sense that they don’t have an executive role at the club. Ian is a bit different as he seems to have a non defined day to day job. I doubt he’s getting paid for it though.

[CropleyWasGod]

Not really.

The distinction is due to our articles now having 2 majority owner directors and 2 investor directors. They aren’t listed as NEDs but they are in the sense that they don’t have an executive role at the club. Ian is a bit different as he seems to have a non defined day to day job. I doubt he’s getting paid for it though.

According to the website, she's not a non-exec. That suggests she is an exec, and her duties are related to the relationship with the CF.

That said, the website doesn't say who our "executive chairman" is, yet the accounts do refer to them. The accounts say that that person isn't being paid. (Ian?)

I suspect the website isn't that exact, and we're debating trivialities.:greengrin

[overdrive]

According to the website, she's not a non-exec. That suggests she is an exec, and her duties are related to the relationship with the CF.

That said, the website doesn't say who our "executive chairman" is, yet the accounts do refer to them. The accounts say that that person isn't being paid. (Ian?)

I suspect the website isn't that exact, and we're debating trivialities.:greengrin

That’s referring to Ron Gordon who was Executive Chairman for part of the period of the accounts. By the looks of it there wasn’t any executive director other than BK and RG until the board reshuffle after RG’s passing (then at the reshuffle post Black Knight investment). I can’t see Foley or Caswell taking a wage. The accounts explicitly state the Executive Chairman didn’t take a wage. I suspect the £45k relates to IG and that may be a part year cost.

Edit: in fact Foley and Caswell joined the board after these accounts so it definitely isn’t them. I’m 99% sure it is IG to which the £45k relates.

[CropleyWasGod]

That’s referring to Ron Gordon who was Executive Chairman for part of the period of the accounts. By the looks of it there wasn’t any executive director other than BK and RG until the board reshuffle after RG’s passing (then at the reshuffle post Black Knight investment). I can’t see Foley or Caswell taking a wage. The accounts explicitly state the Executive Chairman didn’t take a wage. I suspect the £45k relates to IG and that may be a part year cost.

Edit: in fact Foley and Caswell joined the board after these accounts so it definitely isn’t them. I’m 99% sure it is IG to which the £45k relates.

Yeah, that all makes sense. :agree:

[matty_f]

Tomorrow’s the day then? Was it 48 hours on Monday we were expecting something?

[Chorley Hibee]

Tomorrow’s the day then? Was it 48 hours on Monday we were expecting something?

I fear it's yet another false dawn.

[HoboHarry]

Tomorrow’s the day then? Was it 48 hours on Monday we were expecting something?

If you don't know then I doubt anything will happen, you probably have more contacts than all of the in-house in the knowers combined lol...

[matty_f]

If you don't know then I doubt anything will happen, you probably have more contacts than all of the in-house in the knowers combined lol...

I am definitely not ITK on this one!

[Jones28]

This all being a false dawn and Trump about to win the election would be a real stinker of week.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If you don't know then I doubt anything will happen, you probably have more contacts than all of the in-house in the knowers combined lol...

:agree:

Would have felt much more confident of some good news if Matty had some info:

[Jones28]

I am definitely not ITK on this one!

Come on Matty, can your celebrity status not get us a wee nugget of info?

Send Colin to Hampden to see who's coming and going? :greengrin

[superfurryhibby]

Kit Gordon is an executive Board member.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/club/directors

Ayes, my bad. I must have been looking at a older list of directors, or my addled brain.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

This all being a false dawn and Trump about to win the election would be a real stinker of week.

Yep, beginning to look like people are making things up just to gain a bit of fame on a faceless fans forum.

[flash]

Yep, beginning to look like people are making things up just to gain a bit of fame on a faceless fans forum.

There have definitely been a lot of messages flying around which have been reported on here in good faith.

Can't speak for anyone else but I am happy to keep them to myself next time if that's the consensus.

[matty_f]

Come on Matty, can your celebrity status not get us a wee nugget of info?

Send Colin to Hampden to see who's coming and going? :greengrin

I can imagine Colin’s reaction to that request, can almost guarantee the second word would be “off”. 😂

[Springbank]

There have definitely been a lot of messages flying around which have been reported on here in good faith.

Can't speak for anyone else but I am happy to keep them to myself next time if that's the consensus.

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells

[Danderhall Hibs]

There have definitely been a lot of messages flying around which have been reported on here in good faith.

Can't speak for anyone else but I am happy to keep them to myself next time if that's the consensus.

It’s the same message just being recycled and exaggerated a bit. Happens all the time - folk hear the same thing from a couple of people (both who have probably been told by the same person) and take it as fact. Spirals and then here we are - so imo it probably is best folk don’t just spread rumours from folk that are “usually spot on” or “rarely wrong”.

[flash]

I can imagine Colin’s reaction to that request, can almost guarantee the second word would be “off”. 😂

"I'm off" as in he's leaving immediately presumably?

[flash]

It’s the same message just being recycled and exaggerated a bit. Happens all the time - folk hear the same thing from a couple of people (both who have probably been told by the same person) and take it as fact. Spirals and then here we are - so imo it probably is best folk don’t just spread rumours from folk that are “usually spot on” or “rarely wrong”.

Not sure it's being presented as fact.

Personally speaking I didn't start any of the rumours but posted that I had been told something similar which kind of backs up your first sentence.

If something is happening we will find out soon enough, if nothing is happening the earth will keep turning and we have all had something to talk about for a few days.

[bingo70]

It’s the same message just being recycled and exaggerated a bit. Happens all the time - folk hear the same thing from a couple of people (both who have probably been told by the same person) and take it as fact. Spirals and then here we are - so imo it probably is best folk don’t just spread rumours from folk that are “usually spot on” or “rarely wrong”.

Disagree, I love a good rumour, even if that rumour originates from the window cleaners, postman’s best pals dogs cousin.

I think the problem comes when people take it too seriously and border line take offence if it doesn’t come to fruition.

I’ve still got faith that big chances are afoot and if they don’t, **** it, it’s been better than working this week.

[flash]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells

Cheers for that. It's always good to hear both sides of a story.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Disagree, I love a good rumour, even if that rumour originates from the window cleaners, postman’s best pals dogs cousin.

I think the problem comes when people take it too seriously and border line take offence if it doesn’t come to fruition.

I’ve still got faith that big chances are afoot and if they don’t, **** it, it’s been better than working this week.

:agree:

[gorgie greens]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells
I have met him a few times and certainly would not say I like him but I was in Hospitality Jan 23 against Dundee Utd and an old boy died at the stadium and had received cpr and Ben was physically shaken and genuinely upset by the whole episode, I have a few mates in the Edinburgh lounge and they only speak highly of him .

[Danderhall Hibs]

Disagree, I love a good rumour, even if that rumour originates from the window cleaners, postman’s best pals dogs cousin.

I think the problem comes when people take it too seriously and border line take offence if it doesn’t come to fruition.

I’ve still got faith that big chances are afoot and if they don’t, **** it, it’s been better than working this week.

I love a rumour. I just also love it when someone who heard the rumour and claims it as their own is then wrong 😂

[Centre Hawf]

If memory serves me right the first murmurs of the Black Knight group being interested in us was weeks before it even came out properly and months before it was even approved by the SFA.

If there is anything to the rumours I can imagine it isn't this week it comes out. Individuals might leave in the meantime but the whole takeover idea will probably be a long road still.

[Greenworld]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewellsI think Ben K has done a tremendous commercial job at Hibs just as he did at other clubs .
It's good to hear the balanced stories . The ideal world would be Ben continuing to do the commercial and club stadia etc and the black knights running the football operations.
That could happen under the current set up without further SFA involvement and for me anyway is the most likely thing to happen if the Gordon's want to take a step back.
That's my call on the situation.

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[Jones28]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells

What an uplifting post on what has been a rather grim 24 hours. Thanks for sharing this.

At the end of the day football people in any capacity will be judged on what happens on the pitch, but I don't think that is entirely fair and a wider context needs to be taken in to account.

Similarly with Rod Petrie, his achievements off the pitch will be remembered and benefit the club for decades, if not longer and the on pitch mediocrity of much of his later years at the club is now ancient history. Now I know that lounges etc are a bit small fry compared to full stadium revamps and training facilities, but they will still be of benefit to the club in 10 years time.

I don't think any of us know BK in a personal capacity but he's still a human being and it's good to see stories about Ben the person, not Kensall the corporate face of Hibernian.

[CentreLine]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells

Well said. I got involved with putting the HFC lettering in the east stand and generally helping to tidy up the stadium a few years back. Ben Kinsell was certainly happy to be involved and to get his hands dirty then too.

[andrew70]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells

this is what it means to be Hibernian. Thank you for that.

[Lago]

Yep, beginning to look like people are making things up just to gain a bit of fame on a faceless fans forum.
Yip fake news 😒

[we are hibs]

If memory serves me right the first murmurs of the Black Knight group being interested in us was weeks before it even came out properly and months before it was even approved by the SFA.

If there is anything to the rumours I can imagine it isn't this week it comes out. Individuals might leave in the meantime but the whole takeover idea will probably be a long road still.2 week international break coming next week. Perhaps some news then if there's any. Fingers crossed.

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[flash]

Yip fake news 😒

Not necessarily.

[Coco Bryce]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells

He's also a decent laugh when he's pished :agree:

[bingo70]

Not necessarily.

Pretty sure we’re also still within the 48 hour timeline that was previously suggested.

Keep the faith 😃

[h185forever]

There have definitely been a lot of messages flying around which have been reported on here in good faith.

Can't speak for anyone else but I am happy to keep them to myself next time if that's the consensus.

Keep sending them Flash, I for one appreciate any snippets even if they don’t pan out.

There are too many on here who seem to take delight in picking other people’s post apart when there’s no need. If they don’t like the content then it’s easy to take it with a pinch of salt or just ignore.

[Libby Hibby]

I’m calling p1sh on the 48 hour breaking news story

[flash]

Keep sending them Flash, I for one appreciate any snippets even if they don’t pan out.

There are too many on here who seem to take delight in picking other people’s post apart when there’s no need. If they don’t like the content then it’s easy to take it with a pinch of salt or just ignore.

To be fair it was other posters who put this out there, I just backed them up.

Hopefully there's something in it as we need change of some description.

[flash]

Pretty sure we’re also still within the 48 hour timeline that was previously suggested.

Keep the faith 😃

For something of this magnitude I feel an extension of the deadline seems appropriate.

[Blurhibee]

I just passed on what I was told, I still believe the person who told me but maybe was a bit quick with the timeline but I still believe what I said will happen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I just passed on what I was told, I still believe the person who told me but maybe was a bit quick with the timeline but I still believe what I said will happen.

It’s very much appreciated. The rumours are the best part of Hibs.net for me.

[BILLYHIBS]

I just passed on what I was told, I still believe the person who told me but maybe was a bit quick with the timeline but I still believe what I said will happen.

Thanks for sharing

[wookie70]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells

I have had the pleasure of being at many Community Foundation events taking photos. Ben and the Gordons are always there, mixing with attendees and present for full events not dipping in and out. Ben played quite a few games in the first Ron Gordon challenge filling in when numbers were short etc and I have nothing but admiration for the way Ben and the Gordons have worked for the Community Foundation. Absolutely valid to have concerns about management hires and on the pitch performance etc but he and the Gordons deserve great credit for the success of HCF and the work they have done along the way. Ben always comes over as a friendly and likeable guy to me who wants to interact with fans and if you look back to the way Dempster was criticised about commercial sponsors, no strip sponsors etc there can be little doubt he has done the commercial side of his job well. With MacKay there now I would assume he is the football decision maker and our gripes about current and future management and player hires should be directed more towards him.

[nonshinyfinish]

It’s very much appreciated. The rumours are the best part of Hibs.net for me.

You're wrong – needlessly argumentative posts are better.

[bingo70]

You're wrong, needlessly argumentative posts are better.

Are they ****

[Paulie Walnuts]

You're wrong – needlessly argumentative posts are better.

:greengrin

[Blurhibee]

It’s very much appreciated. The rumours are the best part of Hibs.net for me.

👍, yeah rumours are the best part of on here

[Blurhibee]

You're wrong – needlessly argumentative posts are better.

🤣

[Cabbage-Patch]

I think it's just impatience (understandable impatience) from some - but these kinds of major deals (with ground-breaking implications for multi-club ownership) are not done in 20 minutes. There's the SFA to include (and you don't imagine them being speedy on straightforward matters, let alone this).

For what it's worth, and if we are indeed seeing the last few days of Ben Kensall, I'd like to tell a couple of stories, intended as a fond farewell anecdote to him.

I don't know him at all (let alone well).

But I happened to be in hospitality as a guest at Hibs Celtic earlier in 2024, and there was a family on another table (who, again, I don't know as people) but Ben Kensall asked for a bit of quiet in the room as he made a speech.
The family had lost a daughter, whose favourite player was Elie Youan, and Ben Kensall had arranged for Elie Youan to come up, before the game, and meet them, speak to them, present them with a gift (a birthday cake) and Kensall made what could only be described as a very impressive, heartfelt and emotional speech.
There was no doubt he "gets it", meaning the importance of football clubs in the community, and the connection with supporters.
A genuinely impressive moment.

There is another story, that paints him in an equally good light behind the scenes, that I'll save for some other time.

The point here from me is - in my rare interactions with Ben Kensall I've found him to have some very impressive qualities, behind the scenes.
The commerical successes he has brought are noteworthy
The football on the park during his time here, though, has been nothing short of atrocious and littered with under-achievement

So if he ends up going, along with the Gordons, I think we should have room to thank them for the good things they have done (and they do care - from what I have seen)
But we should also acknowledge that it feels like time for change - an appropriate time for thank you's and farewells

Fair enough and thanks for sharing. I personally don't hold Kensall to account nearly the same as the Gordon's. He's not the traditional CEO such as the tash and Dempster were and believe his day to day remit is to focus on the commercial side of things which does seem to be a success. Dosent help us much on the park but the day to day "big decisions" are made by Ian Gordon and BK will just be the yes man. In saying that as the Gordon's hand picked man he has to be part of the clear out when it comes especially with that ridiculous wage he is on

[flash]

I have had the pleasure of being at many Community Foundation events taking photos. Ben and the Gordons are always there, mixing with attendees and present for full events not dipping in and out. Ben played quite a few games in the first Ron Gordon challenge filling in when numbers were short etc and I have nothing but admiration for the way Ben and the Gordons have worked for the Community Foundation. Absolutely valid to have concerns about management hires and on the pitch performance etc but he and the Gordons deserve great credit for the success of HCF and the work they have done along the way. Ben always comes over as a friendly and likeable guy to me who wants to interact with fans and if you look back to the way Dempster was criticised about commercial sponsors, no strip sponsors etc there can be little doubt he has done the commercial side of his job well. With MacKay there now I would assume he is the football decision maker and our gripes about current and future management and player hires should be directed more towards him.

There has been some really personal stuff directed at him both online and in person which is really sad.

Football is an emotive business but there's absolutely no need for it to get personal.

[Libby Hibby]

You're wrong – needlessly argumentative posts are better.

No they are not 😂

[flash]

No they are not 😂

Aye they are.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

To clarify, I like the rumours. I just dislike Hibs right now and want change. Keep them coming ☺️

[MrSmith]

There has been some really personal stuff directed at him both online and in person which is really sad.

Football is an emotive business but there's absolutely no need for it to get personal.

I agree. I cannot understand why adults find it necessary to be like that it's such a poor show!

[green day]

On the Kensell stories, I have said this before, but worth re-sharing;

When we were playing Celtic in the LC Final, and being told we would get a crap allocation, I emailed Ben to let him know "a fans" opinion and check what we were doing.

I didnt expect a reply, let alone the lengthy phone call I received.

He was scathing of the SPFL and the SFA, told me that both organisations are just set up for the benefit of the Glasgow clubs, and that he - and others - were doing everything possible behind the scenes to push for more tickets.

I asked what I could do, he said he would get a journalist to call me and we could run a story to embarrass Doncaster etc - Moira Gordon called later on, and we discussed what to say.

As it happens, the SPFL capitulated the next day and gave us more tickets so the story didnt run - but the depth of his feeling onthe issue wasnt in doubt.

He said he would always defend the club and the fans and I believed him.


As an aside, I think he has done a good job on the commercial side, and was obviously instrumental in bringing Foley on board.

He is not inept as some might think, but all CEOs have a shelf life and I do agree that we need immediate change on the football side.

[Cooshed Kid]

On the Kensell stories, I have said this before, but worth re-sharing;

When we were playing Celtic in the LC Final, and being told we would get a crap allocation, I emailed Ben to let him know "a fans" opinion and check what we were doing.

I didnt expect a reply, let alone the lengthy phone call I received.

He was scathing of the SPFL and the SFA, told me that both organisations are just set up for the benefit of the Glasgow clubs, and that he - and others - were doing everything possible behind the scenes to push for more tickets.

I asked what I could do, he said he would get a journalist to call me and we could run a story to embarrass Doncaster etc - Moira Gordon called later on, and we discussed what to say.

As it happens, the SPFL capitulated the next day and gave us more tickets so the story didnt run - but the depth of his feeling onthe issue wasnt in doubt.

He said he would always defend the club and the fans and I believed him.


As an aside, I think he has done a good job on the commercial side, and was obviously instrumental in bringing Foley on board.

He is not inept as some might think, but all CEOs have a shelf life and I do agree that we need immediate change on the football side.

It's really nice to see stories like these. We are all seriously pee'd off with the team's performance but anyone who says that the people associated with the club don't care about it, or vilifies them, is simply acting out of anger.

Ben Kensall adds value to the club. Is he perfect? No. Astonishingly, neither am I. Anyone who is can offer their services to replace him. I'm very happy he's with us based on the comments I've seen.

[Lago]

:top marks
On the Kensell stories, I have said this before, but worth re-sharing;

When we were playing Celtic in the LC Final, and being told we would get a crap allocation, I emailed Ben to let him know "a fans" opinion and check what we were doing.

I didnt expect a reply, let alone the lengthy phone call I received.

He was scathing of the SPFL and the SFA, told me that both organisations are just set up for the benefit of the Glasgow clubs, and that he - and others - were doing everything possible behind the scenes to push for more tickets.

I asked what I could do, he said he would get a journalist to call me and we could run a story to embarrass Doncaster etc - Moira Gordon called later on, and we discussed what to say.

As it happens, the SPFL capitulated the next day and gave us more tickets so the story didnt run - but the depth of his feeling onthe issue wasnt in doubt.

He said he would always defend the club and the fans and I believed him.


As an aside, I think he has done a good job on the commercial side, and was obviously instrumental in bringing Foley on board.

He is not inept as some might think, but all CEOs have a shelf life and I do agree that we need immediate change on the football side.

[Not In The Know]

If memory serves me right the first murmurs of the Black Knight group being interested in us was weeks before it even came out properly and months before it was even approved by the SFA.

If there is anything to the rumours I can imagine it isn't this week it comes out. Individuals might leave in the meantime but the whole takeover idea will probably be a long road still.


As long as its done in time to get some "mega loans" in Jan to propel us into Europe (or saved from relegation!!)

[blackpoolhibs]

You're wrong – needlessly argumentative posts are better.

:agree: Second only to a good puns thread.:wink:

FWIW i think there is something going on, but it could be a while before we hear all the details, these thing just dont happen overnight and there will be lots of I's to dot and T's to cross.

[eastmainsmsh]

To clarify, I like the rumours. I just dislike Hibs right now and want change. Keep them coming ☺️

It's a chore to go to games just now unfortunately been like that for a few seasons under Gordon's

[Jack]

:agree: Second only to a good puns thread.:wink:

FWIW i think there is something going on, but it could be a while before we hear all the details, these thing just dont happen overnight and there will be lots of I's to dot and T's to cross.

I think its a wee bit naive to think the news was broken here right at the start of the 'negotiations'.

They were probably going on for a while before we found out. If there is anything to actually find out 😆

A lot of the things being discussed here appear to be the sensible way to go. One thing I've learned over the past 5 years of Hibs is that we appear to have avoided the sensible for shambles ... at least on the pitch!

[Winston Ingram]

I’ve seen plenty posts slating Kensell and call in him a wage thief amongst other things.

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever he’s more than earned his money and paid for himself many times over when you consider the impact he’s had on the commercial side.

Football wise however, he’s been a catastrophe and is probably why he has been moved away from that to fully focus on what he’s good at.

[andrew70]

I’ve seen plenty posts slating Kensell and call in him a wage thief amongst other things.

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever he’s more than earned his money and paid for himself many times over when you consider the impact he’s had on the commercial side.

Football wise however, he’s been a catastrophe and is probably why he has been moved away from that to fully focus on what he’s good at.

Well said mate, a very sensible post.

[Jack]

I’ve seen plenty posts slating Kensell and call in him a wage thief amongst other things.

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever he’s more than earned his money and paid for himself many times over when you consider the impact he’s had on the commercial side.

Football wise however, he’s been a catastrophe and is probably why he has been moved away from that to fully focus on what he’s good at.

Has the club turned a profit in the time he's been here?

[Winston Ingram]

Has the club turned a profit in the time he's been here?

I think so yes.

[7Hero]

Well said mate, a very sensible post.

QUOTE he’s more than earned his money and paid for himself many times over when you consider the impact he’s had on the commercial side. QUOTE


Both these are factually incorrect, commercially we have lost fortunes.. You want to assess him as a CEO of a business Hibs have lost fortunes, that means less than ZERO commercial success..

Yes we have built some nice hospitality suites, which he no doubt he helped design and sign off, but commercially we have lost fortunes.

Google commercial and you get this :

Commercial success is when a business is able to make enough money to keep operating, growing, and innovating. It's a key indicator of a company's health and ability to compete in a changing environment.

Ben might have his skills but the commercial side of our business clearly is not one..

[Springbank]

We still operate
The hospitality etc is growing

[IWasThere2016]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

[Unseen work]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow and Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

Where you seeing this or something you’ve heard?

Doesn’t sound like anyone is being sacked 🤣

[Greenio]

QUOTE he’s more than earned his money and paid for himself many times over when you consider the impact he’s had on the commercial side. QUOTE


Both these are factually incorrect, commercially we have lost fortunes.. You want to assess him as a CEO of a business Hibs have lost fortunes, that means less than ZERO commercial success..

Yes we have built some nice hospitality suites, which he no doubt he helped design and sign off, but commercially we have lost fortunes.

Google commercial and you get this :

Commercial success is when a business is able to make enough money to keep operating, growing, and innovating. It's a key indicator of a company's health and ability to compete in a changing environment.

Ben might have his skills but the commercial side of our business clearly is not one..

I dont think you can lay overall commercial success or failure at his door.

Youre factoring in players and the team in here too yeah? Obviously those decisions arent just Bens.

I think the abuse and name calling he gets on here (and Geodon for that matter) is shocking.

But thats football forums for you

[IWasThere2016]

Where you seeing this or something you’ve heard?

Doesn’t sound like anyone is being sacked 🤣

Info from within

[green day]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

Does this mean Mackay and Marsh have come up with a new strategy? Or is the strategy being presented to them?

[The Modfather]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

Hope it’s a blank piece of paper and they are asking if we can copy Bournemouth’s homework. What number of recruitment strategy are we up to now? 4 or 5?

[Joe6-2]

You're wrong – needlessly argumentative posts are better.

No they are not

Edit: oops this argument been done 😂

[Hibs90]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

This doesn't sound good at all to be honest.

[NC1875]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

I hope not. Marshall has somehow managed to sign 2 of the worst goalies I’ve seen. And we’ve had some bad keepers over the years.

[Joe6-2]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

Hope this is fake news, surely

[Scorrie]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

I’m surprised we have a strategy, new or old. Just seems a (un)lucky dip

[IWasThere2016]

Does this mean Mackay and Marsh have come up with a new strategy? Or is the strategy being presented to them?

They are presenting to B/K

[green day]

They are presenting to B/K

Thanks.

What's the objective? To see if BKs agree it? And if they don't, what then?

[JohnM1875]

Thanks.

What's the objective? To see if BKs agree it? And if they don't, what then?

Exactly, why would they need to present anything to the BK group? What would Marshall add to it? What experience does he have in recruitment? Honestly can't believe we created a role to keep him at the club

Not the changes I've been hoping for anyway. Want both them gone, not presenting to the BK group.

[bingo70]

Thanks.

What's the objective? To see if BKs agree it? And if they don't, what then?

I’m going to hazard a guess the Black knights have taken over the running of the football operation already, it’s just not been announced yet. Mackay and Marshall’s presentation will be for them to prove they’re worth being kept on.

If they can’t convince the BK’s they’ve got a plan and are worth keeping, they’ll be away.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I’m surprised we have a strategy, new or old. Just seems a (un)lucky dip

it’s stupidly simple…

http://strategy-madlibs.herokuapp.com/

[Joe6-2]

I’m going to hazard a guess the Black knights have taken over the running of the football operation already, it’s just not been announced yet. Mackay and Marshall’s presentation will be for them to prove they’re worth being kept on.

If they can’t convince the BK’s they’ve got a plan and are worth keeping, they’ll be away.

Hope you are right

[et_hibby]

They are presenting to B/K

presenting the current league table- from the Australian perspective.

[Unseen work]

Info from within

👍🏻 cheers!

Anything on the rumours about BK getting more involved or SDG being sacked?

[Unseen work]

“Hi Black Knights,

We have reviewed the recruitment strategy and we’re hoping you can help us. Please find the listed players below

Will Dennis
James Hill
Max Aaron
Ryan Christie
Daniel Jebbison

Many thanks
The Golden Quadrant”

[JohnM1875]

I’m going to hazard a guess the Black knights have taken over the running of the football operation already, it’s just not been announced yet. Mackay and Marshall’s presentation will be for them to prove they’re worth being kept on.

If they can’t convince the BK’s they’ve got a plan and are worth keeping, they’ll be away.

Potentially the only thing that make sense them having to present to the BK Group.

I'm not sure it's it come across previously, but I'm genuinely fuming Marshall is involved at any level. I was all for Mackay when we appointed him, said a lot of good things, then we created a job for Marshall to keep him around the club because he's a 'model pro'

"The technical performance manager is what we're calling his title, and he's going to really look across the talent ID area, look at the younger players coming through, who we put out on loan, and work on the business side with me. Bearing in mind he played for me at Cardiff, so I've known him a long, long time. I know the fabric of the guy, and the type of man that I've got. He's someone I wanted to make sure we kept in this building, kept working for Hibs because we need good people. The more and more good people that we bring into the building - that have real work ethic and desire to make sure this club works - the better chance we're going to have."

**** off, Malky. Marshall has absolutely zero experience to be doing the job we've employed him for.

[ancient hibee]

I’m going to hazard a guess the Black knights have taken over the running of the football operation already, it’s just not been announced yet. Mackay and Marshall’s presentation will be for them to prove they’re worth being kept on.

If they can’t convince the BK’s they’ve got a plan and are worth keeping, they’ll be away.

Think you're wide of the mark. The BK will already know what's planned there's two of them on the board.

[Col2]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

3 Slides

Slide 1 - Slide Header “Requtemint Strategie”
Slide 2 - 5 bullets, spacing, font and grammar errors
Slide 3 - “Questions”

They have been working on it for weeks.

[Hibees1973]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

Aka Dumb & Dumber.

[Paulie Walnuts]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy

:faf:

Guess we’ve binned off the process we were all to trust then.

I’m picturing this presentation to be a bit like the Boats & Hoes presentation, except instead of a boat crashing at the end it’s our football club.

[Hibees1973]

3 Slides

Slide 1 - Slide Header “Requtemint Strategie”
Slide 2 - 5 bullets, spacing, font and grammar errors
Slide 3 - “Questions”

They have been working on it for weeks.

I'm sure Ben will have drafted a wee powerpoint presentation to jizz it up a bit.

I've heard Ben is a whizz at this being a marketing guy.

[matty_f]

3 Slides

Slide 1 - Slide Header “Requtemint Strategie”
Slide 2 - 5 bullets, spacing, font and grammar errors
Slide 3 - “Questions”

They have been working on it for weeks.

That's if there PowerPoint even survives the trip, rumours already that Marshall wasn't able to save it.

[One Day Soon]

Massively strong The Office vibe about what’s going on at the moment. David Brent and the assistant to the regional manager presenting to the grown ups, what could possibly go wrong?

[Vault Boy]

jizz it up a bit.

Must really like PowerPoint

[SteveHFC]

Massively strong The Office vibe about what’s going on at the moment. David Brent and the assistant to the regional manager presenting to the grown ups, what could possibly go wrong?

https://youtu.be/mXytRC0k-K8?feature=shared

Can imagine the meeting will go something like this.

[Coco Bryce]

I’m going to hazard a guess the Black knights have taken over the running of the football operation already, it’s just not been announced yet. Mackay and Marshall’s presentation will be for them to prove they’re worth being kept on.

If they can’t convince the BK’s they’ve got a plan and are worth keeping, they’ll be away.

This is how I see it.

Fighting for their jobs presentation.

[The Modfather]

That's if there PowerPoint even survives the trip, rumours already that Marshall wasn't able to save it.

The first pictures from the presentation are in (one for The Simpsons fans)...

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1i2r3f.img?w=768&h=431&m=6

[chrisski33]

I think there are alot if rumours going about that are aload of bollox.

[WestCoastHibby]

Lucky they saw through these Black Knights jokers and sent them packing.[emoji849]
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241102/077e67aa99f3a24d5fa7e9543d3e4109.jpg


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Very good point

[mcohibs]

I think there are alot if rumours going about that are aload of bollox.

Seems that way to me.

[SteveHFC]

The first pictures from the presentation are in (one for The Simpsons fans)...

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1i2r3f.img?w=768&h=431&m=6

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241106/9e2a0282fafb81f4051a43756c9f43bb.jpg


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[Coco Bryce]

That's if there PowerPoint even survives the trip, rumours already that Marshall wasn't able to save it.

😂 😂

[Not In The Know]

McKay and Marsh in Bournemouth with Blacknights tomorrow/Friday to present the new recruitment strategy


Wind up merchant.

username prob means there but left before the trophy was raised…

[IWasThere2016]

Wind up merchant.

username prob means there but left before the trophy was raised…

🤣

[IWasThere2016]

👍🏻 cheers!

Anything on the rumours about BK getting more involved or SDG being sacked?

Nope

[IWasThere2016]

👍🏻 cheers!

Anything on the rumours about BK getting more involved or SDG being sacked?

Nope - I asked if MM was leaving and shared reply I got

[Cracker]

Nope - I asked if MM was leaving and shared reply I got

Sorry but what was the reply? Is it the BK who are presenting to hibs? It would make more sense if as Bingo has guessed that the Bk may be in controll of the football side now.

[Winston Ingram]

QUOTE he’s more than earned his money and paid for himself many times over when you consider the impact he’s had on the commercial side. QUOTE


Both these are factually incorrect, commercially we have lost fortunes.. You want to assess him as a CEO of a business Hibs have lost fortunes, that means less than ZERO commercial success..

Yes we have built some nice hospitality suites, which he no doubt he helped design and sign off, but commercially we have lost fortunes.

Google commercial and you get this :

Commercial success is when a business is able to make enough money to keep operating, growing, and innovating. It's a key indicator of a company's health and ability to compete in a changing environment.

Ben might have his skills but the commercial side of our business clearly is not one..

You would if it was solely his decision but it isn't. He's drastically increased our turnover to enable that spending. If Ian Gordon for example decides to appoint himself Director of Football and blow over a million quid on untried diddies like he did in Jan 2021 then what's he to do?

[04Sauzee]

Must really like PowerPoint

🤣🤣

[One Day Soon]

You would if it was solely his decision but it isn't. He's drastically increased our turnover to enable that spending. If Ian Gordon for example decides to appoint himself Director of Football and blow over a million quid on untried diddies like he did in Jan 2021 then what's he to do?

Well, if it is part of a pattern of serial stupidity that he's being exposed to and/or co-opted into then he should be raising it at Board level for a start. I think we'd have heard about that if he had.

You can say what you like about BK in other contexts - and some of it might well be fantastic heart warming stuff - but there is no sense coming across of a strong independent voice standing up to the dangerously self-indulgent and damaging actions of the owners. Quite the reverse in fact. Trousering £330,000 a year (massively disproportionately to similar roles at equivalent Scottish clubs) seems to result in a very high tolerance threshold for pretty much whatever the owners want.

Nobody inside the chums gravy train at ER seems to be keen to rock the boat on anything.

[Centre Hawf]

Well, if it is part of a pattern of serial stupidity that he's being exposed to and/or co-opted into then he should be raising it at Board level for a start. I think we'd have heard about that if he had.

You can say what you like about BK in other contexts - and some of it might well be fantastic heart warming stuff - but there is no sense coming across of a strong independent voice standing up to the dangerously self-indulgent and damaging actions of the owners. Quite the reverse in fact. Trousering £330,000 a year (massively disproportionately to similar roles at equivalent Scottish clubs) seems to result in a very high tolerance threshold for pretty much whatever the owners want.

Nobody inside the chums gravy train at ER seems to be keen to rock the boat on anything.

What does it matter if he raises it? Ian Gordon can effectively do what he likes in that regard. He owns the place.

[One Day Soon]

What does it matter if he raises it? Ian Gordon can effectively do what he likes in that regard. He owns the place.

Firstly it would open up to Board and wider public scrutiny exactly what was going on at the club in day to day operational terms.

Secondly, it would have signalled a course of action that said to the owner 'you can do what you like but don't expect me to act as your enabler or patsy or to stay quiet if you continue'.

Thirdly it would have encouraged others to develop a spine and ask questions.

All of this would have made it a harder environment for such behaviour to carry on unchallenged and unnoticed and whether in the short, medium or long term would have brought us more quickly to some kind of critical point at which changes might have been either forced or conceded by the response of Board, the support or even Ron had he remained alive.

[WhileTheChief..]

Greg McEwan was our Marketing Director before being appointed Commercial Director by Kensall in 2021.

He was the one who got us on the right track with sponsorship deals etc. when the Gordon’s took over.

He was interim CEO before Kendall arrived and probably deserves a bit of credit for turning around the finances of the club at that time.

I don’t think k it’s right to say that Kensall was the man to bring commercial success to us. There’s a whole team of people working in our marketing and commercial depts.

[Since90+2]

Greg McEwan was our Marketing Director before being appointed Commercial Director by Kensall in 2021.

He was the one who got us on the right track with sponsorship deals etc. when the Gordon’s took over.

He was interim CEO before Kendall arrived and probably deserves a bit of credit for turning around the finances of the club at that time.

I don’t think k it’s right to say that Kensall was the man to bring commercial success to us. There’s a whole team of people working in our marketing and commercial depts.

I think it's a bit of both. We can't have it both ways and say ultimately as CEO Kensell is responsible for the performance of the business including the team, but not give credit where it's due on the commercial side.

[SickBoy32]

Well, if it is part of a pattern of serial stupidity that he's being exposed to and/or co-opted into then he should be raising it at Board level for a start. I think we'd have heard about that if he had.

You can say what you like about BK in other contexts - and some of it might well be fantastic heart warming stuff - but there is no sense coming across of a strong independent voice standing up to the dangerously self-indulgent and damaging actions of the owners. Quite the reverse in fact. Trousering £330,000 a year (massively disproportionately to similar roles at equivalent Scottish clubs) seems to result in a very high tolerance threshold for pretty much whatever the owners want.

Nobody inside the chums gravy train at ER seems to be keen to rock the boat on anything.

Nail on head.

Canny believe folk are saying Kensell has done well for the club commercially 😂

He’s been an absolute disaster, and cost the club many £m’s through his dreadful leadership - forget about a few pube trimming sponsorship deals. He has spearheaded a dramatic decline in the club, both on the park and off it.

Get him away back down the road asap.

[eastmainsmsh]

Nail on head.

Canny believe folk are saying Kensell has done well for the club commercially 😂

He’s been an absolute disaster, and cost the club many £m’s through his dreadful leadership - forget about a few pube trimming sponsorship deals. He has spearheaded a dramatic decline in the club, both on the park and off it.

Get him away back down the road asap.

Well said 👏

[matty_f]

Greg McEwan was our Marketing Director before being appointed Commercial Director by Kensall in 2021.

He was the one who got us on the right track with sponsorship deals etc. when the Gordon’s took over.

He was interim CEO before Kendall arrived and probably deserves a bit of credit for turning around the finances of the club at that time.

I don’t think k it’s right to say that Kensall was the man to bring commercial success to us. There’s a whole team of people working in our marketing and commercial depts.

Greg definitely deserves credit for turning it around.

[Ozyhibby]

Greg definitely deserves credit for turning it around.

Can’t say it’s turned round until it’s profitable. Very easy in business to spend £2 to make £1. Much harder to do the reverse.
So far all the new hospitality has done is cost money, not bring it in.


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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Greg McEwan was our Marketing Director before being appointed Commercial Director by Kensall in 2021.

He was the one who got us on the right track with sponsorship deals etc. when the Gordon’s took over.

He was interim CEO before Kendall arrived and probably deserves a bit of credit for turning around the finances of the club at that time.

I don’t think k it’s right to say that Kensall was the man to bring commercial success to us. There’s a whole team of people working in our marketing and commercial depts.

Kendall or Felicity as he’s known on Thursdays ;)

[Callum_62]

So far all the new hospitality has done is cost money, not bring it in.



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Doesn't feel like it to me! [emoji1787]. Loaded fries absolutely worth the money tho

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[matty_f]

Can’t say it’s turned round until it’s profitable. Very easy in business to spend £2 to make £1. Much harder to do the reverse.
So far all the new hospitality has done is cost money, not bring it in.


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He left ages ago, he wasn’t accountable (other than a short stand in stint as acting ceo) for the profit and loss figures.

[Joe6-2]

So no changes yet? Question to the guys itk

[IWasThere2016]

Sorry but what was the reply? Is it the BK who are presenting to hibs? It would make more sense if as Bingo has guessed that the Bk may be in controll of the football side now.

McKay and Marsh are presenting to BKs

[matty_f]

McKay and Marsh are presenting to BKs

Is that today, G?

[IWasThere2016]

Is that today, G?

Was told Thu/Fri

[IWasThere2016]

Was told Thu/Fri

I took that to be both days with BKs

[Winston Ingram]

Greg McEwan was our Marketing Director before being appointed Commercial Director by Kensall in 2021.

He was the one who got us on the right track with sponsorship deals etc. when the Gordon’s took over.

He was interim CEO before Kendall arrived and probably deserves a bit of credit for turning around the finances of the club at that time.

I don’t think k it’s right to say that Kensall was the man to bring commercial success to us. There’s a whole team of people working in our marketing and commercial depts.

I think it's accurate to say it as our turnover started increasing dramatically since he came and has continued to increase in the 5 years he's been here.

Of course there's a whole team in there. There has been since Leanne came in. Since he came in, the team which he is in charge of, has started performing significantly better.

I'm no Kensall fan but to deny his impact on the commercial side is just plain daft. He may earn £330k a year or whatever, but he has increased our turnover by 10x that.

[El Gubbz]

I think it's accurate to say it as our turnover started increasing dramatically since he came and has continued to increase in the 5 years he's been here.

Of course there's a whole team in there. There has been since Leanne came in. Since he came in, the team which he is in charge of, has started performing significantly better.

I'm no Kensall fan but to deny his impact on the commercial side is just plain daft. He may earn £330k a year or whatever, but he has increased our turnover by 10x that.

One of the teams he’s in charge of has performed significantly better.

The other one, which we pay our money to watch, has been hugely negatively impacted because of decisions him and his management team take and has probably cost us more in lost prize money and wasted wages than anything the commercial team has brought in.

Only ever had the CV to be appointed Commercial Director but unfortunately the lack of due diligence from all in the Gordon family has led to an awful football team burning through resources, undoing all the good that has been delivered off the pitch.

Can only hope once we have someone qualified and credible in the top job at the club we can maintain the enhanced revenue, implement a proper football strategy and start to bring in the players the club needs to be a success on the only true metric that matters to the fans.

If that can happen then not all Kensell’s work will be in vain.

[TrinityHFC]

One of the teams he’s in charge of has performed significantly better.

The other one, which we pay our money to watch, has been hugely negatively impacted because of decisions him and his management team take and has probably cost us more in lost prize money and wasted wages than anything the commercial team has brought in.

Only ever had the CV to be appointed Commercial Director but unfortunately the lack of due diligence from all in the Gordon family has led to an awful football team burning through resources, undoing all the good that has been delivered off the pitch.

Can only hope once we have someone qualified and credible in the top job at the club we can maintain the enhanced revenue, implement a proper football strategy and start to bring in the players the club needs to be a success on the only true metric that matters to the fans.

If that can happen then not all Kensell’s work will be in vain.

What CEOs of football could can you think of that have a football background?

Celtic's was a lawyer, Aberdeen's started in the marketing side at Motherwell. Leeann Dempster was in marketing for an airline pre Motherwell...

The football side might not have gone as well as we all hoped for but that doesn't mean he wasn't or isn't qualified to be CEO of a football club.

[snedzuk]

I think it's accurate to say it as our turnover started increasing dramatically since he came and has continued to increase in the 5 years he's been here.

Of course there's a whole team in there. There has been since Leanne came in. Since he came in, the team which he is in charge of, has started performing significantly better.

I'm no Kensall fan but to deny his impact on the commercial side is just plain daft. He may earn £330k a year or whatever, but he has increased our turnover by 10x that.

As Ozy hinted at above, increasing turnover doesn't automatically increase profitability. There's no doubt the suites look great and like they've had substantial sums spent on them (forby Tornadoes doesn't have the flooring finished), but the revenue return on that capital expenditure is hampered by the suites only being available on restricted hours. They aren't like a Spoons that's open 7 days a week. I've also noticed I've had a couple of emails recently selling space in hospitality which I wasn't getting earlier in the season.

[GreenPJ]

As Ozy hinted at above, increasing turnover doesn't automatically increase profitability. There's no doubt the suites look great and like they've had substantial sums spent on them (forby Tornadoes doesn't have the flooring finished), but the revenue return on that capital expenditure is hampered by the suites only being available on restricted hours. They aren't like a Spoons that's open 7 days a week. I've also noticed I've had a couple of emails recently selling space in hospitality which I wasn't getting earlier in the season.

The hospitality spaces is (I suspect) directly linked with the performance of the team (at least in terms of wins on the board) and numbers of people attending matches slowly trending down. We are also getting into festive season and the cost of living crisis has not gone away. As I think you are alluding to it doesn't mean that the spend on the suites was a bad investment but just its obviously linked to team performance. Its almost the Field of Dreams scenario (if you build it, they will come). Put a winning team on the park and the investment on hospitality will start to deliver a return, although your point about utilisation is also a good one and something the club needs to think about how it can maximise that facility outside of matchdays.

[eastmainsmsh]

McKay and Marsh are presenting to BKs

Wonder what they are presenting as stats and current form don't lie really wish the Foley Group would take over

[Scotty Leither]

Wonder what they are presenting as stats and current form don't lie really wish the Foley Group would take over

I really hope it’s not a review of the review they’re reviewing. Too many at Easter Road talk a good game, Mackay being the prime example.

[matty_f]

I really hope it’s not a review of the review they’re reviewing. Too many at Easter Road talk a good game, Mackay being the prime example.

Mackay’s been officially in role since 1st June, he came straight into the transfer window which, to be fair, should have been a case of finishing the work that Brian McDermott had started, but that didn’t happen.

Genuine question, given how little time he had to deal with the transfer window, and that SDG was confirmed in the days after Malky was appointed, what did you get from what Malky’s said that you think he should have delivered by now?

[Jack]

Mackay’s been officially in role since 1st June, he came straight into the transfer window which, to be fair, should have been a case of finishing the work that Brian McDermott had started, but that didn’t happen.

Genuine question, given how little time he had to deal with the transfer window, and that SDG was confirmed in the days after Malky was appointed, what did you get from what Malky’s said that you think he should have delivered by now?

That's were succession planning should come in.

Not just players (the 2 for each position plus youngsters likely to come through all playing the same system) but there should be succession planning for all the key roles throughout the club.

MM should have been able to pick up from McDermott who should have been able to pick up from those before him and so on. And it's not just here that any sort of planning has been an absolute shambles.

There's been nowt but crisis management for far too long.

[Lago]

Frankly I don't see anything changing anytime soon, Mackay & March can make as many presentations as they like because they are meaningless based on the current state of affairs at ER.

[Scotty Leither]

Mackay’s been officially in role since 1st June, he came straight into the transfer window which, to be fair, should have been a case of finishing the work that Brian McDermott had started, but that didn’t happen.

Genuine question, given how little time he had to deal with the transfer window, and that SDG was confirmed in the days after Malky was appointed, what did you get from what Malky’s said that you think he should have delivered by now?

A back up to the McCowan deal falling through for a start, Matty, which he compounded with his comments about it basically being McCowan or nobody that we signed…he shouldn’t have appointed Gray either, and then there’s the guff he spouted about Marshall’s role whose input so far seems to have yielded 2 sub-standard goalies.

That’s all on Mackay’s watch, and if Davey is sidelined or removed in any change brought about by the BKs, then he should go as well.

[Real Emerald]

Mackay’s been officially in role since 1st June, he came straight into the transfer window which, to be fair, should have been a case of finishing the work that Brian McDermott had started, but that didn’t happen.

Genuine question, given how little time he had to deal with the transfer window, and that SDG was confirmed in the days after Malky was appointed, what did you get from what Malky’s said that you think he should have delivered by now?

I thought MM was responsible for hiring David Gray and by default he is then responsible for a completely inexperienced football management team. I may be wrong on this but if he was responsible he’s plunged the club into a dangerous position. That would make his time in post disastrous so far, if that is the case?

[CapitalGreen]

I thought MM was responsible for hiring David Gray and by default he is then responsible for a completely inexperienced football management team. I may be wrong on this but if he was responsible he’s plunged the club into a dangerous position. That would make his time in post disastrous so far, if that is the case?

Gray was getting the gig whether Malky was here or not.

[Real Emerald]

Gray was getting the gig whether Malky was here or not.

So his interview with Malky was a complete waste of time then?

[Bostonhibby]

As Ozy hinted at above, increasing turnover doesn't automatically increase profitability. There's no doubt the suites look great and like they've had substantial sums spent on them (forby Tornadoes doesn't have the flooring finished), but the revenue return on that capital expenditure is hampered by the suites only being available on restricted hours. They aren't like a Spoons that's open 7 days a week. I've also noticed I've had a couple of emails recently selling space in hospitality which I wasn't getting earlier in the season.Indeed.

The now defunct Glasgow rangers had an incredible turnover, just before they finally admitted how much of it, and more they'd spent, and there was nothing left.

Exceptional turnover isn't a great measure of success.

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[CapitalGreen]

So his interview with Malky was a complete waste of time then?

It wasn’t a complete waste of time for the, it allowed them to give the impression they hadn’t already decided who was getting the job.

[Greenworld]

I thought MM was responsible for hiring David Gray and by default he is then responsible for a completely inexperienced football management team. I may be wrong on this but if he was responsible he’s plunged the club into a dangerous position. That would make his time in post disastrous so far, if that is the case?Ian Gordon was still Not letting go of controlling everything. He put people in place but was overruling the decisions.
Bill Foley pulled him up about it , to let Malky and his team do there jobs, to no avail.
I'm 50/50 about Malky will be interesting to see what happens going forward


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[Real Emerald]

It wasn’t a complete waste of time for the, it allowed them to give the impression they hadn’t already decided who was getting the job.

So that means MM had no influence on who the new manager was going to be, yet he was director of football who now can’t be held responsible for a disastrous appointment? That makes complete sense now and clears things up. 😃

[Real Emerald]

Ian Gordon was still Not letting go of controlling everything. He put people in place but was overruling the decisions.
Bill Foley pulled him up about it , to let Malky and his team do there jobs, to no avail.
I'm 50/50 about Malky will be interesting to see what happens going forward


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Neither wonder we’re in the mess we are!

[Greenworld]

Neither wonder we’re in the mess we are!It is . Let's hope change is coming

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[Real Emerald]

It is . Let's hope change is coming

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Big changes need to happen but I can only see things changing enough if the BKs take over the complete running of the football side. The smoke and mirrors and dubious recruitment of management really can’t go on. Fingers crossed 🤞

[Paulie Walnuts]

So that means MM had no influence on who the new manager was going to be, yet he was director of football who now can’t be held responsible for a disastrous appointment? That makes complete sense now and clears things up. 😃

:agree:

If it’s true then more fool Malky Mackay for taking the job.

Appointing someone into a job where they should be tasked with finding the new manager, and in theory that task being the one they’ll be judged most on, and then telling that person that the same people who constantly fail in their managerial appointments are going to choose the next manager but stick your name to it is just so very Hibs.

[Real Emerald]

:agree:

If it’s true then more fool Malky Mackay for taking the job.

Appointing someone into a job where they should be tasked with finding the new manager and then telling that person that the same people who constantly fail in their managerial appointments are going to choose the next manager but stick your name to it is just so very Hibs.

TBF it’s a great plan from the Gordon’s but a very silly move from MM, if true.

[Paulie Walnuts]

TBF it’s a great plan from the Gordon’s but a very silly move from MM, if true.

:agree:

I’ve absolutely zero time for Mackay, but he’s essentially been used as a bit of a patsy for the two jokers who continually make a total arse of things.

[El Gubbz]

What CEOs of football could can you think of that have a football background?

Celtic's was a lawyer, Aberdeen's started in the marketing side at Motherwell. Leeann Dempster was in marketing for an airline pre Motherwell...

The football side might not have gone as well as we all hoped for but that doesn't mean he wasn't or isn't qualified to be CEO of a football club.

Happy for clubs like Motherwell to take a punt on these roles but not us.

Largely they’ve either been a CEO with years of relevant experience leading an entire organisation successfully or they’ve worked their way up within the org understanding exactly where they feel things can be done better.

BK sold advertising space at Norwich and that was apparently enough experience to be our CEO?

Maloney put out the cones for Belgium and that was enough to become our manager.

Malky had no real relevant experience as a sporting director - don’t believe his role at the SFA or as manager suggests he would hit the ground running in his current role.

Gray is a club legend but all he has done is learn how to do the role badly 3 times plus some time under Ross.

Could have got away with LJ or NM if the rest of the club was on sound footing but unfortunately for them they joined a leaderless mess.

David Marshall hung up his gloves and instantly given a senior role at the club.

Ian Gordon used to sell wine.

The only thing consistent about the appointments under the Gordons is the criminal lack of due diligence before appointing to critical roles - can get away with that for roles here and there but it’s literally every appointment.

[blackpoolhibs]

MM officially started on the 1st of June, but i think it's a bit of a red herring, he was around the club way before then and would have had input and say on thing that were happening.

[jeffers]

MM officially started on the 1st of June, but i think it's a bit of a red herring, he was around the club way before then and would have had input and say on thing that were happening.

Agreed. All feels bit convenient to blame Brian McDermott for the summers recruitment as an example and absolve MM from any responsibility. That’s despite us bringing in two players the former advised we didn’t sign….

[matty_f]

MM officially started on the 1st of June, but i think it's a bit of a red herring, he was around the club way before then and would have had input and say on thing that were happening.

Agreed - it's not the case that he had nothing to do with it all, clearly.

I do think there's context that needs to be considered though - Malky's job encompasses the whole football operation at the club. He's put David Marshall in to support with running the recruitment but even if you say Malky started in role two months before his actual start date, it's not as simple as him having everything in place, sorted by day two in the role.

His first few months in the role, without a transfer window to navigate and a head coach to hire immediately, would have been to go round the club, learn what's happening at that point, who's responsible for what, what's working and what's not etc - he has to understand all of that clearly before he can get to work improving it.

Jack's point earlier about succession planning is right - in a well run club, that's what would have happened, we evidently weren't/aren't a well run club, though.

It's right to say all the recruitment was done on Malky's watch, but again you need to think about the context in which he's had to approach that - the recruitment process he inherited was clearly not working, there were some plans in place and other plans that should have been, that weren't.

There's a new Head Coach who wants to input into the recruitment, and very limited time to actually go through any sort of thorough process to identify players - if you consider that work is already underway now for recruitment in January and next summer, you can see that trying to not only build a squad almost from scratch in terms of who's been identified already, and get players out the door that the manager doesn't want, even if you say he had six weeks to get that prepared, it's a far from ideal situation.

That's not making excuses, it's just common sense - anyone with half a brain cell could see that is a far from ideal situation and someone coming new into the role, while supporting someone else new into the role (Gray/Marshall) is going to have a huge challenge doing the recruitment successfully.

In that respect, mitigating that challenge by recruiting a Head Coach that knows the squad is probably the sensible thing to do.

There's too much complaining about what's happening without stepping back to actually think why it's happened and who's really on the hook for the mess we were in.

Blaming the guy that's just in the door to fix it is stupid - look above him at the decision makers, that's where the fault lies. Otherwise you're expecting Malky to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

[matty_f]

Agreed. All feels bit convenient to blame Brian McDermott for the summers recruitment as an example and absolve MM from any responsibility. That’s despite us bringing in two players the former advised we didn’t sign….

One of those being Ekpiteta, who's proving to be one of the best signings in the summer.