Gordon, Kensell, Mackay and co..times up

[21May16]

I don't honestly know if that was an attempt at humour or it's just that you have a need to post something, anything.

Fife extinguishes aren’t working very frequently at the moment, stick to the humour.

We need the black knights to take control of the footballing side of the club as soon as possible. The Gordon’s have ****ed the club up.

[Slim Shady]

FWIW I’ve been told they are starting to have a bit more influence at East Mains. Youth team coaches have had a bit pressure on them from the Black knights recently, presumably when Tim Bezbatchenko was rumoured to be up a week or two back.

I know that’s not the sort of influence people are wanting but it’s a start and not normally something a minority shareholder would get involved in. Suggests to me there’s been a bit of a change behind the scenes.

Tim is back in Edinburgh.

The rest has no truth.

[Heisenberg]

Tim is back in Edinburgh.

The rest has no truth.

Someone told me he was there today but hadn’t seen anything else about it.

[bingo70]

Tim is back in Edinburgh.

The rest has no truth.

Back in Edinburgh now?

Surely if he was up a couple of weeks ago and back again now, it means there’s even a bit of truth that they’re having more of a presence/influence at East Mains? I’m assuming he’s no coming up here on holiday.

[Jock O]

Am I understanding this correctly, Tim Bezbatchenko, President of the Black Knights overall, has been in Edinburgh helping the youth coaches out? Seriously? And what exactly is that going to achieve going forward in what I assume is him trying to set up some relationships across the organisational structures and associated responsibilities which surely is his level of interest. Isn't he the guy MacKay said he speaks to regularly. Not convinced he will be saying can you come along and help the laddies coaching out a little please. Sorry but this place in times of "crisis" just goes bonkers.

[we are hibs]

Am I understanding this correctly, Tim Bezbatchenko, President of the Black Knights overall, has been in Edinburgh helping the youth coaches out? Seriously? And what exactly is that going to achieve going forward in what I assume is him trying to set up some relationships across the organisational structures and associated responsibilities which surely is his level of interest. Isn't he the guy MacKay said he speaks to regularly. Not convinced he will be saying can you come along and help the laddies coaching out a little please. Sorry but this place in times of "crisis" just goes bonkers. No you're not understanding correctly. Infact you're wrong. Again.

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[bingo70]

Am I understanding this correctly, Tim Bezbatchenko, President of the Black Knights overall, has been in Edinburgh helping the youth coaches out? Seriously? And what exactly is that going to achieve going forward in what I assume is him trying to set up some relationships across the organisational structures and associated responsibilities which surely is his level of interest. Isn't he the guy MacKay said he speaks to regularly. Not convinced he will be saying can you come along and help the laddies coaching out a little please. Sorry but this place in times of "crisis" just goes bonkers.

No, you’re not getting that correct.

He wasn’t in helping the kids. The younger age coaches have been told there’s going to be higher demands put on them and standards need to be increased. The other poster said it’s not true, he may be correct, it’s just what I was told second hand from someone who’s boy is in the academy.

[Jock O]

No, you’re not getting that correct.

He wasn’t in helping the kids. The younger age coaches have been told there’s going to be higher demands put on them and standards need to be increased. The other poster said it’s not true, he may be correct, it’s just what I was told second hand from someone who’s boy is in the academy.

Okay, that makes more sense, especially since I assume they have great interest in us improving the level of youth player we produce, but currently I would hope they would be at a fair higher level than this if getting involved. I am not yet convinced having them taking over the whole football organisation would be completely in Hibs interest to be honest, but given the situation we are currently in I can see why it is appealing to fans.

[.Sean.]

Would love an update on their thoughts on how the old trusting the process is going now?

Or another update from the wonderfully arrogant Malcolm McPherson again telling us how lucky we all are?

Clowns

[eastmainsmsh]

If current board and black knights can't agree then there is always this divide need to pull together of hope Black knights take full control or this will go on for a few years

[21May16]

Would love an update on their thoughts on how the old trusting the process is going now?

Or another update from the wonderfully arrogant Malcolm McPherson again telling us how lucky we all are?

Clowns

Spot on.

Everyone in senior positions at the club has made it ***** to support Hibs. That’s the reality. There’s no enthusiasm at all. It’s all because of them. It’s no exaggeration to say they have ripped out the soul of the club. Have a ****ing cheek to call ourselves a community club too.

[21May16]

If current board and black knights can't agree then there is always this divide need to pull together of hope Black knights take full control or this will go on for a few years

Any supporter of Hibernian that doesn’t back the black knights over the way we are ran now seriously have to question why that is.

[matty_f]

Spot on.

Everyone in senior positions at the club has made it ***** to support Hibs. That’s the reality. There’s no enthusiasm at all. It’s all because of them. It’s no exaggeration to say they have ripped out the soul of the club. Have a ****ing cheek to call ourselves a community club too.

On the last part, why is that?

Only reason I ask is that through the Community Foundation, Hibs do a lot of stuff for the community - things like Football Fans in Training, The Changing Room, Community lunches, Christmas dinners, they were heavily represented at The Kiltwalk recently, football coaching, support foodbanks etc - these are just from the top of my head, they also give out a load of tickets for each game.


I would say that Hibs are heavily involved in the community - what is it that they’re doing or not doing that makes it inappropriate to say that we’re a community club?

[Blurhibee]

There time could be up sooner than you think 🤔

[JohnM1875]

There time could be up sooner than you think 🤔

… go on

[Pretty Boy]

On the last part, why is that?

Only reason I ask is that through the Community Foundation, Hibs do a lot of stuff for the community - things like Football Fans in Training, The Changing Room, Community lunches, Christmas dinners, they were heavily represented at The Kiltwalk recently, football coaching, support foodbanks etc - these are just from the top of my head, they also give out a load of tickets for each game.


I would say that Hibs are heavily involved in the community - what is it that they’re doing or not doing that makes it inappropriate to say that we’re a community club?

:agree:

I'll tear strips off the club for the mess they have made of the football team, they have set us back years with their folly.

However the Community Foundation is a separate entity, albeit there is a lot of crossover in personnel, and do great work with plentiful support from the club. I think we are well within our rights to talk about ourselves as a community club.

[bingo70]

There time could be up sooner than you think 🤔

Interesting.

How imminent are you talking?

I think it’s inevitable a change will come soon, I know others disagree though.

[Blurhibee]

… go on

I can’t say mate

[Blurhibee]

[QUOTE=bingo70;7806965]Interesting.

How imminent are you talking?

I think it’s inevitable a change will come soon, I know others disagree though.[/QUOTE ]
I can’t say

[Heisenberg]

There time could be up sooner than you think 🤔

You’ve been right on stuff before so hopefully you are again here. The club badly needs something to change

[superfurryhibby]

Spot on.

Everyone in senior positions at the club has made it ***** to support Hibs. That’s the reality. There’s no enthusiasm at all. It’s all because of them. It’s no exaggeration to say they have ripped out the soul of the club. Have a ****ing cheek to call ourselves a community club too.

That is completely incorrect.

[Dashing Bob S]

These guys know how to run a business but they seem to know little about football, which is, sadly for them, our core business.

[bingo70]

I can’t say mate

Appreciate you can’t give specifics. Can you at least say if I should spend the rest of today refreshing .net or should I chill out for a wee bit yet?

[Onion]

If current board and black knights can't agree then there is always this divide need to pull together of hope Black knights take full control or this will go on for a few years

Are they able to take full control ? Thought they were only allowed a minority holding in Hibs due to other football interests ?

[matty_f]

:agree:

I'll tear strips off the club for the mess they have made of the football team, they have set us back years with their folly.

However the Community Foundation is a separate entity, albeit there is a lot of crossover in personnel, and do great work with plentiful support from the club. I think we are well within our rights to talk about ourselves as a community club.
:agree: Spot on.
The Community Foundation is only a separate entity to have charity status, I think. It exists solely to do Hibs’ community work, so while it’s correct to say they’re separate entities, with separate boards etc, they are intrinsically linked to the football club and it’s appropriate to talk about them both in thiis redirect as the same thing.

[21May16]

:agree: Spot on.
The Community Foundation is only a separate entity to have charity status, I think. It exists solely to do Hibs’ community work, so while it’s correct to say they’re separate entities, with separate boards etc, they are intrinsically linked to the football club and it’s appropriate to talk about them both in thiis redirect as the same thing.

I wasn’t talking about the community foundation in all fairness as I do see it separate from the corporate money making machine that doesn’t give two hoots about the average punter. You just have to go into the club shop as an example to what I mean.

Anyway that’s focussing in the wrong direction, the main thing is how the owners and the board of Hibernian are totally failing at their job and this deterioration year on year is now reaching catastrophic levels. Change is required and pronto.

[Unseen work]

I can’t say mate

Are you able to say for who?

Gordon? Kensell? Mackay? SDG?

[Slim Shady]

There time could be up sooner than you think 🤔

Its happening.

Transitional period begins!

:flag:

[Blurhibee]

Appreciate you can’t give specifics. Can you at least say if I should spend the rest of today refreshing .net or should I chill out for a wee bit yet?

What I’ve been told keep your eye on things the next 48 hours

[matty_f]

I wasn’t talking about the community foundation in all fairness as I do see it separate from the corporate money making machine that doesn’t give two hoots about the average punter. You just have to go into the club shop as an example to what I mean.

Anyway that’s focussing in the wrong direction, the main thing is how the owners and the board of Hibernian are totally failing at their job and this deterioration year on year is now reaching catastrophic levels. Change is required and pronto.

It’s not fair to look at the foundation separately though, it was set up to make sure that Hibs were a community club and to carry out that work.

I get what you’re saying about needing a different direction, just thought it worth pointing out that it’s not fair to say Hibs aren’t a community club when they have a specific set up that exists solely to do that stuff.

[Blurhibee]

Are you able to say for who?

Gordon? Kensell? Mackay? SDG?

All of them

[04Sauzee]

All of them

Gordons selling up?

[flash]

All of them

Definitely a lot of messages flying around to this effect.

[Unseen work]

All of them

Jesus!

Black Knights and Tim Bezbatchenko must be making some moves

[Hibs90]

Definitely a lot of messages flying around to this effect.

What other messages have you seen?

[Since452]

Jesus!

Black Knights and Tim Bezbatchenko must be making some moves

I hope there has been a realisation that the **** show can't continue.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Praying this is true.

[flash]

What other messages have you seen?

Just backing up what the other poster is saying regarding imminent changes on several fronts.

[Unseen work]

Bit of a change of subject but just noticed Auckland FC are top of the A league

Only 3 games played but won all 3 and not conceded a goal

[BILLYHIBS]

Bit of a change of subject but just noticed Auckland FC are top of the A league

Only 3 games played but won all 3 and not conceded a goal

Time to start listening

[SHODAN]

There time could be up sooner than you think 🤔

Finally, a process I can trust.

[SteveHFC]

All of them

Good riddance.

[JohnM1875]

All of them

You've no idea how much I want this to be true. Actually, you probably do.

[21May16]

It’s not fair to look at the foundation separately though, it was set up to make sure that Hibs were a community club and to carry out that work.

I get what you’re saying about needing a different direction, just thought it worth pointing out that it’s not fair to say Hibs aren’t a community club when they have a specific set up that exists solely to do that stuff.

Fair Matty. Maybe my anger is clouding stuff at the moment. Community wise with the foundation and the work they do it's never been better.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Do we know if these people are any better? There's no evidence to state they would.

Can't be much chance of them being worse.

[flash]

Remember Bill Foley saying they would put in the money that would have us challenging for third.

They did put that money in, we appear to have used a fair chunk of it, and look at the nick of us.

Little wonder almost every supporter thinks the place needs a complete overhaul.

[Unseen work]

Can't be much chance of them being worse.

Yep.

Think you’ve got to look at managerial appointments for us since they’ve came in - Maloney, Johnson, Monty and SDG

Bournemouth currently have a manager who will be extremely sought after and is doing a brilliant job, the Lorient manager is well experienced in the French leagues and has then 2nd in Ligue 2 and the Auckland FC manager has them too in the A league and yet to concede a goal

I know who id trust more

[Pretty Boy]

Remember Bill Foley saying they would put in the money that would have us challenging for third.

They did put that money in, we appear to have used a fair chunk of it, and look at the nick of us.

Little wonder almost every supporter thinks the place needs a complete overhaul.

:agree:

Foley has also been clear he isn't a good 'silent partner'. He wasn't specifically talking about Hibs in that particular interview but I think it's safe to say that will apply across his interests. Of course if he wants controlling interest then he needs to find a way to buy a bigger stake. However there were a lot of promises about additional funding and capital calls at the AGM. It's entirely possible he has said none of that will be happening unless Hibs start doing things his way.

[LustForLeith]

As soon as the Black Knights were involved I said at the time I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tommy Elphick at Easter Road

Still wouldn’t

[Tambo]

Time for all to go before it's to late, hopefully these rumours are true.

[Unseen work]

As soon as the Black Knights were involved I said at the time I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tommy Elphick at Easter Road

Still wouldn’t

I thought that before but would he really want to leave his current role for us? Looks like he has it pretty well

[Northernhibee]

:hyper

[Hibees1973]

So there is a wind of change in the air.

Just hope the Golden Quadrant are less cozy in their roles at the very least. It's clear from our League position they have all failed. Even dubious Malky and he's not long in the door.

My best scenario is the Gordons are putting the club up for sale. However, I have always had misgivings on the motives of The Black Knights. Particularly as it was Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell who brokered the deal with them.

[Leitherhibs]

Not to pour cold water, but is this even possible without going through some loopholes? If BKFC can't have a controlling interest, as per the SFA regulations, how do we get around that in order to sell to them?

[GreenPJ]

As soon as the Black Knights were involved I said at the time I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tommy Elphick at Easter Road

Still wouldn’t

That would be a huge risk. Getting rid of a rooky manager for another rooky manager who has no knowledge of Scottish football or the club.

[Jones28]

Not to pour cold water, but is this even possible without going through some loopholes? If BKFC can't have a controlling interest, as per the SFA regulations, how do we get around that in order to sell to them?

They don't need to buy more shares to be invited in to revamp or appoint people.

[matty_f]

:agree:

Foley has also been clear he isn't a good 'silent partner'. He wasn't specifically talking about Hibs in that particular interview but I think it's safe to say that will apply across his interests. Of course if he wants controlling interest then he needs to find a way to buy a bigger stake. However there were a lot of promises about additional funding and capital calls at the AGM. It's entirely possible he has said none of that will be happening unless Hibs start doing things his way.

There’s ways around it within the current set up, I think.

As things stand BKFC are capped at (iirc) 29.9% ownership. There’s also a condition that they do not have undue control over the football club.

They have two seats on the board, so long as that does not increase then there’s a strong case that regardless of who runs the football department or how it’s run, they do not have undue control as their board representation and voting rights remains relative to their stake.

If all parties are happy to work within that structure, there is absolutely nothing stopping BKFC injecting cash or running the football operation or the commercial operation or having a hand in both.

Ultimate accountability and responsibility is still with the Gordons and at any time, they can object so still hold relevant control.

[green day]

They don't need to buy more shares to be invited in to revamp or appoint people.

.............as we saw a few weeks ago with Blooms laptop at Hearts

[bingo70]

That would be a huge risk. Getting rid of a rooky manager for another rooky manager who has no knowledge of Scottish football or the club.

I think it’s important to take into account there’s different levels of rookie manager.

Gray had never been any more senior than third in command for 4 failed managerial appointments. That’s not the sort of CV that should have got him this job.

Other rookies like Elphick for example have served the hard yards and worked their way through the system and been assistants for very good managers at a high level as well as learning their trade with the youth sides first.

Coaching careers like Elphick or John Kennedy to use another example are completely incomparable with Grays experience up until now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

As soon as the Black Knights were involved I said at the time I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tommy Elphick at Easter Road

Still wouldn’t

I said it at the time, but on paper he was basically David Gray but with a more impressive CV in every single area. If a manager like Gray was the route we wanted to go down, then put simply, it should have been Elphick ahead of Gray by an absolute mile.

That’s not to say I want him or that I want him to replace Gray, but he seemed the option that was staring us in the face if we wanted a young rookie. Wonder if he was the BKFC’s suggestion..

[Joe6-2]

Let’s hope this change is true

[GreenPJ]

I think it’s important to take into account there’s different levels of rookie manager.

Gray had never been any more senior than third in command for 4 failed managerial appointments. That’s not the sort of CV that should have got him this job.

Other rookies like Elphick for example have served the hard yards and worked their way through the system and been assistants for very good managers at a high level as well as learning their trade with the youth sides first.

Coaching careers like Elphick or John Kennedy to use another example are completely incomparable with Grays experience up until now.

He would still be a rookie though. There are lots of good, experienced assistant managers who have either never taken the step to become head coach/manager of when they have it hasn't worked out (Mark Venus 28 games as manager (albeit caretaker) has a win rate of 32%). The Scottish mainstream media would have a field day if change happens and Elphick was brought in. I hate the fact that media drives people's thoughts so much but if they say things enough times then it becomes 'reality' and drives peoples attitudes.

I am not saying Elphick would not work out but think you have to admit it would be a big risk, appointing someone who has no track record in the top job.

[Greenworld]

What I’ve been told keep your eye on things the next 48 hoursInteresting got a Message today saying, this week will see several changes , I know something has been going on for the last 3 weeks and have been waiting for announcements to be made.

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[bingo70]

He would still be a rookie though. There are lots of good, experienced assistant managers who have either never taken the step to become head coach/manager of when they have it hasn't worked out (Mark Venus 28 games as manager (albeit caretaker) has a win rate of 32%). The Scottish mainstream media would have a field day if change happens and Elphick was brought in. I hate the fact that media drives people's thoughts so much but if they say things enough times then it becomes 'reality' and drives peoples attitudes.

I am not saying Elphick would not work out but think you have to admit it would be a big risk, appointing someone who has no track record in the top job.

Yeah I get that, I also just think any experienced manager we could get would likely have failed elsewhere so just as likely to fail with us again.

I like the idea of appointing someone on their way up that might just be brilliant rather than an experienced manager who will never likely be any more than alright.

I have to admit I was a bit envious of Hearts fans when they were looking at some of the Scandinavian names mentioned and I’m pleased they never got one. I think that’s probably the route I’d like us to go down but I wouldn’t be disappointed if we went for someone who had been an assistant elsewhere byt had done the hard yards in learning their trade. Appreciate not everyone will agree and I’ve no issue with that, I can understand the craving for experience, it just doesn’t get the juices flowing for me.

[Blurhibee]

Interesting got a Message today saying, this week will see several changes , I know something has been going on for the last 3 weeks and have been waiting for announcements to be made.

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Yeah I think the visit from Gordon and Kensall to speak with bill foley 3 weeks ago was to rubber stamp things

[Centre Hawf]

Not heard anything about Gordons or Black Knights etc but I had heard a little while ago murmurings that Ben K would be unlikely to be here come the next AGM.

[blackpoolhibs]

If things are about to change at the club, then i dont think it will be good news for SDG, and to be honest, if its for the better, then it has to be sorry Dave but we need to look at the bigger picture.

[ChuckNor]

My understanding is the change (if there is one coming) won’t include Kensell leaving immediately.

[andrew70]

My understanding is the change (if there is one coming) won’t include Kensell leaving immediately.

I wouldn’t expect BK to leave first. It will be Gray, Mackay then Kensell imo.

Kensell has already moved his family back down south though.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

You would assume David Marshall will be included in all of this as well? Surely once Mackay goes he can't continue in his made up role.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I wouldn’t expect BK to leave first. It will be Gray, Mackay then Kensell imo.

Kensell has already moved his family back down south though.

Interesting. I seen him with his family the other day, suppose that’s not to say they couldn’t be up visiting.

If his family are away then that’s probably not a kick in the arse off confirming he’ll be going as well imo.

[andrew70]

Interesting. I seen him with his family the other day, suppose that’s not to say they couldn’t be up visiting.

If his family are away then that’s probably not a kick in the arse off confirming he’ll be going as well imo.

They’ve been away for a while. Abuse was cited as the reason.

[NC1875]

They’ve been away for a while. Abuse was cited as the reason.

Aye I’m sure that’s the real reason she upped and left.

[andrew70]

Aye I’m sure that’s the real reason she upped and left.

Well that’s a whole other story.

[NC1875]

Well that’s a whole other story.

😂 agree. Anyway, hopefully he joins them down south shortly.

[bingo70]

I wouldn’t expect BK to leave first. It will be Gray, Mackay then Kensell imo.

Kensell has already moved his family back down south though.

I’m the opposite.

If Gray is sacked first, people will be saying what’s the point when Kensell is still there don’t won’t appease the masses, in fact it woukd do the opposite.

My guess is Kensell and Gray to both leave in a statement at the same time, quickly followed by the news we have brought in the black knights to lead the managerial search along with taking a more hands on role within the club. Mackays role will be phased out over a period of time.

[Onceinawhile]

Yep.

Think you’ve got to look at managerial appointments for us since they’ve came in - Maloney, Johnson, Monty and SDG

Bournemouth currently have a manager who will be extremely sought after and is doing a brilliant job, the Lorient manager is well experienced in the French leagues and has then 2nd in Ligue 2 and the Auckland FC manager has them too in the A league and yet to concede a goal

I know who id trust more

VGK are currently second in their conference as well.

[bingo70]

VGK are currently second in their conference as well.

Who are VGK?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who are VGK?

Las Vegas Golden Knights I presume. The BKFC NHL team.

[andrew70]

I’m the opposite.

If Gray is sacked first, people will be saying what’s the point when Kensell is still there don’t won’t appease the masses, in fact it woukd do the opposite.

My guess is Kensell and Gray to both leave in a statement at the same time, quickly followed by the news we have brought in the black knights to lead the managerial search along with taking a more hands on role within the club. Mackays role will be phased out over a period of time.

Gray is the one directly affecting the team right now he needs to go first.

Kensell won’t choose the next manager no matter what. Mackay is the one who chose Gray, a dereliction of duty and even he wasn’t a BK pick (be that Kensell or Knights for that matter).

We are in a whole world of trouble and Kensell can’t affect what’s on the pitch.

As for the technical performance director…now there’s another that needs to go before Kensell imho.

[flash]

Gray is the one directly affecting the team right now he needs to go first.

Kensell won’t choose the next manager no matter what. Mackay is the one who chose Gray, a dereliction of duty and even he wasn’t a BK pick (be that Kensell or Knights for that matter).

We are in a whole world of trouble and Kensell can’t affect what’s on the pitch.

As for the technical performance director…now there’s another that needs to go before Kensell imho.

I don't think Mackay chose Gray. I think the owners did to use a deflector shield if things went tits up.
Which thankfully they didn't........

[Centre Hawf]

Gray is the one directly affecting the team right now he needs to go first.

Kensell won’t choose the next manager no matter what. Mackay is the one who chose Gray, a dereliction of duty and even he wasn’t a BK pick (be that Kensell or Knights for that matter).

We are in a whole world of trouble and Kensell can’t affect what’s on the pitch.

As for the technical performance director…now there’s another that needs to go before Kensell imho.

Mackay never picked Gray. He took his job knowing full well Gray would be the next Hibs manager.

[andrew70]

I don't think Mackay chose Gray. I think the owners did to use a deflector shield if things went tits up.
Which thankfully they didn't........


Mackay never picked Gray. He took his job knowing full well Gray would be the next Hibs manager.

I don’t think much of Mackay holistically but I would think even less of him if that’s the case. I don’t believe it to be but who knows anymore.

I hope Gray goes before he takes us down but I only hope this mess is figured out and fixed before our 150th anniversary celebrations.

Somehow stay up and get rid of the OOC players. Some who have been stinking out the place well before now.

[Since452]

I'd be happy if each and every one of them left. Gray and his coaching team too. We're rock bottom anyway so starting from scratch wouldn't see us go any lower. Gray is a legend, great captain and will always be so highly thought of amongst the support but he's not getting results and has now been part of multiple failed coaching teams. SDG, I'd have a beer with him any time. Gordon, Kensell and co? Get the **** out of my club and don't darken our door again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'd be happy if each and every one of them left. Gray and his coaching team too. We're rock bottom anyway so starting from scratch wouldn't see us go any lower. Gray is a legend, great captain and will always be so highly thought of amongst the support but he's not getting results and has now been part of multiple failed coaching teams. SDG, I'd have a beer with him any time. Gordon, Kensell and co? Get the **** out of my club and don't darken our door again.

Exactly my thoughts.

[superfurryhibby]

I don't think Mackay chose Gray. I think the owners did to use a deflector shield if things went tits up.
Which thankfully they didn't........

Disagree.

Choosing Gray was a gamble which has increased the contempt many feel for Ben Kensell and Ian Gordon. It hasn't deflected anything, merely served to focus our ire on those in charge and their shoddy decision making.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd be happy if each and every one of them left. Gray and his coaching team too. We're rock bottom anyway so starting from scratch wouldn't see us go any lower. Gray is a legend, great captain and will always be so highly thought of amongst the support but he's not getting results and has now been part of multiple failed coaching teams. SDG, I'd have a beer with him any time. Gordon, Kensell and co? Get the **** out of my club and don't darken our door again.

My thoughts exactly, i cant think of any player if he left would really hurt us and make us significantly weaker, none whatsoever?

Any one of this lot could leave tomorrow and their replacement may not be better, but we'd hardly notice the difference.

[K-Zazu]

Mackay never picked Gray. He took his job knowing full well Gray would be the next Hibs manager.

So what has Mackay actually being doing then?

[Libby Hibby]

How true / reliable are these ‘winds of change’ rumours?

[Kato]

If things are about to change at the club, then i dont think it will be good news for SDG, and to be honest, if its for the better, then it has to be sorry Dave but we need to look at the bigger picture.No one bigger than the club.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

My thoughts exactly, i cant think of any player if he left would really hurt us and make us significantly weaker, none whatsoever?

Any one of this lot could leave tomorrow and their replacement may not be better, but we'd hardly notice the difference.

Depends who we replace then with doesn’t it?

[we are hibs]

Fingers crossed the Gordons are on their way out.

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[wookie70]

It’s not fair to look at the foundation separately though, it was set up to make sure that Hibs were a community club and to carry out that work.

I get what you’re saying about needing a different direction, just thought it worth pointing out that it’s not fair to say Hibs aren’t a community club when they have a specific set up that exists solely to do that stuff.

I agree.

The Foundation has been very well supported by Kensall, Kit and Ian Gordon and Malcolm and Mags McPherson. I've no issue fans having opinions on where we are on the pitch and what determines that undoubted failure. However, many of the "villains" behind our league position have done great work on behalf of the Foundation and they should receive praise and thanks for that.

The Foundation is flourishing. A new Hubs has opened in the Famous Five and a large number of Community Activities take place each week. This Saturday will see lots of Foundation activity at the game and I really hope fans can see the good that the Community Foundation are doing and make sure it continues to grow and is seen as a force for good and very much what our club is about.

Hibernian is very much a Community club and it puts it money where its mouth is in that regard

[andrew70]

I agree.

The Foundation has been very well supported by Kensall, Kit and Ian Gordon and Malcolm and Mags McPherson. I've no issue fans having opinions on where we are on the pitch and what determines that undoubted failure. However, many of the "villains" behind our league position have done great work on behalf of the Foundation and they should receive praise and thanks for that.

The Foundation is flourishing. A new Hubs has opened in the Famous Five and a large number of Community Activities take place each week. This Saturday will see lots of Foundation activity at the game and I really hope fans can see the good that the Community Foundation are doing and make sure it continues to grow and is seen as a force for good and very much what our club is about.

Hibernian is very much a Community club and it puts it money where its mouth is in that regard

Well said. An important point.

Proud to be part of the Community Foundation as a coach for the community club and Team United.

[Centre Hawf]

So what has Mackay actually being doing then?

Signing ***** players it seems.

[Keith_M]

He can agree to sell to one of the many people looking to buy us when they offered after his dad passed away.

Clearly not a sacking as such but there is a way of him getting out the club.


Who were the 'many people looking to buy us'?

Not a dig, I just hasn't heard about that and would be interested to know who it was.

[bingo70]

Who were the 'many people looking to buy us'?

Not a dig, I just hasn't heard about that and would be interested to know who it was.

No idea, was Ian Gordon who said it in an interview.

[Lago]

How true / reliable are these ‘winds of change’ rumours?
I'm in the I'll belive it when I see it camp.

[blackpoolhibs]

Depends who we replace then with doesn’t it?
Replace anyone who plays regularly with those on the bench, we'd hardly notice the difference, we'd still be sheite.

[eastmainsmsh]

Fingers 🤞 they all go if SDG does get replaced I hope he gets a position in the youth set up with Daz and boozy or an ambassador sort of role

[HibeeSince85]

Fingers 🤞 they all go if SDG does get replaced I hope he gets a position in the youth set up with Daz and boozy or an ambassador sort of role

The sentiments are good but that shouldn't happen. He's a young manager who will go and attempt to make his own way in the game. He'll forever be a legend at Hibs.

[Northernhibee]

Fingers 🤞 they all go if SDG does get replaced I hope he gets a position in the youth set up with Daz and boozy or an ambassador sort of role

I could see him ending up in the youth setup at Spurs.

[MWHIBBIES]

I could see him ending up in the youth setup at Spurs.

Why?

[Keith_M]

No idea, was Ian Gordon who said it in an interview.


:aok:

[.Sean.]

Aye I’m sure that’s the real reason she upped and left.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 worst kept secret at the club.

[Northernhibee]

Why?

Appears to be a well rated coach within the game and both Ange and Monty will know him well.

FWIW although results have been awful I think he’s getting the wrong end of the stick. Like Monty, I think he’s a very good coach trying to run a club in disarray.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Appears to be a well rated coach within the game and both Ange and Monty will know him well.

FWIW although results have been awful I think he’s getting the wrong end of the stick. Like Monty, I think he’s a very good coach trying to run a club in disarray.

I just don’t buy the idea he’s that good a coach. He’s been here for 4 different managers and never even got an assistant manager gig out of any of them. None of them could have rated him particularly highly when they came in.

[andrew70]

Appears to be a well rated coach within the game and both Ange and Monty will know him well.

FWIW although results have been awful I think he’s getting the wrong end of the stick. Like Monty, I think he’s a very good coach trying to run a club in disarray.

Well rated by who?

[McD]

I just don’t buy the idea he’s that good a coach. He’s been here for 4 different managers and never even got an assistant manager gig out of any of them. None of them could have rated him particularly highly when they came in.


We don’t really have any evidence of him be in a good coach or not. From what was said during him working under various managers, he wasn’t tasked with any major coaching or tactical work by any of them, and we’ve not seen any improvement from any of the players in his charge since he took the managers job

[JohnM1875]

Appears to be a well rated coach within the game and both Ange and Monty will know him well.

FWIW although results have been awful I think he’s getting the wrong end of the stick. Like Monty, I think he’s a very good coach trying to run a club in disarray.

Honestly not trying to be a prick, but can I ask what that's based on? Seems to be quite the opposite for me.

[MWHIBBIES]

Appears to be a well rated coach within the game and both Ange and Monty will know him well.

FWIW although results have been awful I think he’s getting the wrong end of the stick. Like Monty, I think he’s a very good coach trying to run a club in disarray.

Ange won't know him well, and there's not much to suggest he's a good coach. I'd imagine spurs have all coaching positions filled.

[Since452]

Appears to be a well rated coach within the game and both Ange and Monty will know him well.

FWIW although results have been awful I think he’s getting the wrong end of the stick. Like Monty, I think he’s a very good coach trying to run a club in disarray.

All I'm seeing, very much like Monty, is players regressing under their coaching. I can't think of one player that's improved under either of them. Poor managerial appointments are absolutely killing us.

[mcohibs]

I could see him ending up in the youth setup at Spurs.

Spartans maybe. I reckon there’s in excess of 15,000 coaches that would get a gig at Spurs ahead of David Gray.

[Hibees1973]

Appears to be a well rated coach within the game and both Ange and Monty will know him well.

FWIW although results have been awful I think he’s getting the wrong end of the stick. Like Monty, I think he’s a very good coach trying to run a club in disarray.

All the more reason why he should have taken it upon himself to leave 2 managers ago, get fully qualified and start at a lower level.

He has done himself no favours at all by becoming mired in this sh*t show with a whole load of dubious characters for the last couple of years.

Unless there is a miracle and he can win the next 2 or 3 games with this shower of a squad, part of his legacy will have been as another failed Hibs manager.

Really sad what has happened, but a lot of it has been Gray's decisions.

[One Day Soon]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 worst kept secret at the club.

Ah, is this Uganda related?

[Ozyhibby]

All the more reason why he should have taken it upon himself to leave 2 managers ago, get fully qualified and start at a lower level.

He has done himself no favours at all by becoming mired in this sh*t show with a whole load of dubious characters for the last couple of years.

Unless there is a miracle and he can win the next 2 or 3 games with this shower of a squad, part of his legacy will have been as another failed Hibs manager.

Really sad what has happened, but a lot of it has been Gray's decisions.

This is not a great squad but it should be nowhere near last place. That’s 100% on Gray.


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[K-Zazu]

All I'm seeing, very much like Monty, is players regressing under their coaching. I can't think of one player that's improved under either of them. Poor managerial appointments are absolutely killing us.

This is where I’m at. We have actually gotten worse. If that was possible.

[Hibees1973]

This is not a great squad but it should be nowhere near last place. That’s 100% on Gray.


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Fair enough but he has been fire fighting from day 1.

Hangers on around the squad who don't play and spread discontentment around the squad.

From what I hear, players being signed without much input from him. A revolving door of players. Inept players unable to concentrate for the whole game. Indiscpline (sendings off).

The Golden Quadrant put him up front of house and was doomed to fail, barring a miracle.

[JohnM1875]

Fair enough but he has been fire fighting from day 1.

Hangers on around the squad who don't play and spread discontentment around the squad.

From what I hear, players being signed without much input from him. A revolving door of players. Inept players unable to concentrate for the whole game. Indiscpline (sendings off).

The Golden Quadrant put him up front of house and was doomed to fail, barring a miracle.

To be fair, Gray subbed one of them on in the derby and then JDH hasn't made a matchday squad since.

[Paulie Walnuts]

To be fair, Gray subbed one of them on in the derby and then JDH hasn't made a matchday squad since.

We’re also not the only squad with people who won’t be used. It happens all the time.

[JimBHibees]

All I'm seeing, very much like Monty, is players regressing under their coaching. I can't think of one player that's improved under either of them. Poor managerial appointments are absolutely killing us.

Would say Ekpiteta is improving

[mcohibs]

Would say Ekpiteta is improving

Was a low bar he set himself mind 😂

[JimBHibees]

Was a low bar he set himself mind 😂

Has been excellent the last few games

[JohnM1875]

Would say Ekpiteta is improving

Without a doubt, really like big Marv. Dare I say, captain material? Think he captained Blackpool a few times.

[CapitalGreen]

Would say Ekpiteta is improving

He was very good on Sunday.

[jakeshibs]

Fingers crossed the Gordons are on their way out.

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be careful what you wish for, as we could get someone who does nor have the best interests of the club at heart

[Albahibs]

Would say Ekpiteta is improving

Completely agree. The central defensive partnership yesterday, was pretty much rock solid, United were limited to just a couple of clear sights at goal. Pretty impressive too against hearts, until their late goal. Its scoring goals that are our achilles heel at the moment, and killing games off. Played well against United, and but for a very contentious intervention by var, we'd have won the match.

[jakeshibs]

I agree.

The Foundation has been very well supported by Kensall, Kit and Ian Gordon and Malcolm and Mags McPherson. I've no issue fans having opinions on where we are on the pitch and what determines that undoubted failure. However, many of the "villains" behind our league position have done great work on behalf of the Foundation and they should receive praise and thanks for that.

The Foundation is flourishing. A new Hubs has opened in the Famous Five and a large number of Community Activities take place each week. This Saturday will see lots of Foundation activity at the game and I really hope fans can see the good that the Community Foundation are doing and make sure it continues to grow and is seen as a force for good and very much what our club is about.

Hibernian is very much a Community club and it puts it money where its mouth is in that regard


well said

[Greenworld]

be careful what you wish for, as we could get someone who does nor have the best interests of the club at heartThe bottom of the league is not something we wished for.

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[Unseen work]

I think Ekpiteta has actually been pretty good defensively all season, the earlier games he was getting criticism were all down to his passes back to Bursik

[Forza Fred]

be careful what you wish for, as we could get someone who does nor have the best interests of the club at heart

Too many shoot from the hip and don’t consider this.

It’s not the owners I worry about….it’s the people they appoint to run the club.

Tom Farmer didn’t know much about football when he owned us and didn’t get involved in day to day decisions……just as I imagine Foley at Black Knights doesn’t with his ice hockey team.

The Gordon’s have supplied substantial funding…..which we have managed in the main to have wasted.

[we are hibs]

be careful what you wish for, as we could get someone who does nor have the best interests of the club at heartThanks for the warning. I still want them out.

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[JohnM1875]

Too many shoot from the hip and don’t consider this.

It’s not the owners I worry about….it’s the people they appoint to run the club.

Tom Farmer didn’t know much about football when he owned us and didn’t get involved in day to day decisions……just as I imagine Foley at Black Knights doesn’t with his ice hockey team.

The Gordon’s have supplied substantial funding…..which we have managed in the main to have wasted.

You don't worry about owners who have made the team on the pitch consistently worse and now have us sitting bottom of the league after 11 games played?

[Trinity Hibee]

You don't worry about owners who have made the team on the pitch consistently worse and now have us sitting bottom of the league after 11 games played?

It is mind boggling. It’s not just this season either, we’ve been on a dramatic slide for the last 2-3 years

[Just_Jimmy]

I'd be happy if each and every one of them left. Gray and his coaching team too. We're rock bottom anyway so starting from scratch wouldn't see us go any lower. Gray is a legend, great captain and will always be so highly thought of amongst the support but he's not getting results and has now been part of multiple failed coaching teams. SDG, I'd have a beer with him any time. Gordon, Kensell and co? Get the **** out of my club and don't darken our door again.Bingo.

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[1875M]

Completely agree. The central defensive partnership yesterday, was pretty much rock solid, United were limited to just a couple of clear sights at goal. Pretty impressive too against hearts, until their late goal. Its scoring goals that are our achilles heel at the moment, and killing games off. Played well against United, and but for a very contentious intervention by var, we'd have won the match.


Agreed. Think the centre half pairing is decent. Not saying they’re Terry and Carvalho but for this level, they look not too bad.

[blackpoolhibs]

Would say Ekpiteta is improving

I remember saying when we signed him he was a good defender with little ability o the ball if we want to play out from the back.

I agree apart from a couple of mistakes early on he's improved, and right now our most consistant player.

What i would say in a negative way he's part of the problem in how quickly we play due to him not being that good on the ball, and his options too.

The keeper is slow to release the ball, and whe Marv has it he does give it to Miller most of the time, another not that good with the ball.

Easy to close down due to it being done so slow.

I wonder if we went with a 3 with O'hora on the right and Marv in the centre we would improve that a bit?:dunno:

[Winston Ingram]

be careful what you wish for, as we could get someone who does nor have the best interests of the club at heart

Even if we did, they probably have a better team than we do now

[Ozyhibby]

be careful what you wish for, as we could get someone who does nor have the best interests of the club at heart

What would their motivation be?


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[LaMotta]

I remember saying when we signed him he was a good defender with little ability o the ball if we want to play out from the back.

I agree apart from a couple of mistakes early on he's improved, and right now our most consistant player.

What i would say in a negative way he's part of the problem in how quickly we play due to him not being that good on the ball, and his options too.

The keeper is slow to release the ball, and whe Marv has it he does give it to Miller most of the time, another not that good with the ball.

Easy to close down due to it being done so slow.

I wonder if we went with a 3 with O'hora on the right and Marv in the centre we would improve that a bit?:dunno:

:agree:

And every team so far is clearly just sitting off Marv when we have possession at the back to encourage the ball towards him. Then they just let him do his thing.

[Winston Ingram]

Appears to be a well rated coach within the game and both Ange and Monty will know him well.

FWIW although results have been awful I think he’s getting the wrong end of the stick. Like Monty, I think he’s a very good coach trying to run a club in disarray.

One of the reasons the club is in such disarray is because of Monty.

[MWHIBBIES]

be careful what you wish for, as we could get someone who does nor have the best interests of the club at heart

Or we could get someone who actually has a clue what they're doing?

Dude, were bottom of the league. How do the gordons have our best interests at heart?

[jacomo]

Okay, that makes more sense, especially since I assume they have great interest in us improving the level of youth player we produce, but currently I would hope they would be at a fair higher level than this if getting involved. I am not yet convinced having them taking over the whole football organisation would be completely in Hibs interest to be honest, but given the situation we are currently in I can see why it is appealing to fans.


Maybe criticising ‘this place’ - by extension, Hibs fans - isn’t helpful? Especially when it appears you’ve got the wrong end of the stick.

[jacomo]

What would their motivation be?


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You’ve followed football for a while, yes? You know this club’s history?

Plenty of characters out there who fancy owning a football club who could put us in a far worse place.

[Ozyhibby]

You’ve followed football for a while, yes? You know this club’s history?

Plenty of characters out there who fancy owning a football club who could put us in a far worse place.

Absolutely but that’s not the same as not having our best interests at heart?


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[jacomo]

Or we could get someone who actually has a clue what they're doing?

Dude, were bottom of the league. How do the gordons have our best interests at heart?


There’s a difference between doing a bad job and, say, asset-stripping the club and selling Easter Road for flats.

[Jack]

It just shows how far we've sunk when folk think our centre half pairing are decent.

Pre Gordons I can't think of a Hibs team where they'd be given the time of day.

How many of this squad would be in the cup winning team on the 21st May 2016?

And they couldn't get out the second division, whatever it was at the time!

[SaulGoodman]

There’s a difference between doing a bad job and, say, asset-stripping the club and selling Easter Road for flats.

I think that’s maybe a little bit dramatic..

[Paulie Walnuts]

You’ve followed football for a while, yes? You know this club’s history?

Plenty of characters out there who fancy owning a football club who could put us in a far worse place.

There’s not ‘plenty’.

Theres a small handful of clubs who have fell foul to this. Theres 92 English league clubs, plus those that have been up and down into the National League etc, 42 Scottish league clubs and loads of them will have had numerous owners. So the percentage of owners who are into that sort of thing is tiny.

Throw in the fact they take over clubs on the brink the vast majority of the time because it’s the best way to enhance your asset stripping profits and it’s safe to say we’ll be just fine.

[MWHIBBIES]

There’s a difference between doing a bad job and, say, asset-stripping the club and selling Easter Road for flats.

That just wouldn't happen, though. It's nearly impossible to do, and our fans would protest and prevent it from happening. It's not a realistic worry.

Incompetence taking us down and keeping us down is a real worry, and very likely under the Gordons. They must go.

[Ozyhibby]

There’s a difference between doing a bad job and, say, asset-stripping the club and selling Easter Road for flats.

There are cheaper bits of land available for building flats. Paying £20m for Hibs to build some flats is a sure fire way to lose all your money. There would be zero chance of planning permission for a start.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

There are cheaper bits of land available for building flats. Paying £20m for Hibs to build some flats is a sure fire way to lose all your money. There would be zero chance of planning permission for a start.


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:agree:

If we were on our arse, like Hearts or Rangers for example, and you could pick us up for a pittance, then it would be a realistic concern. Given we’re currently valued at about £25m, its not a threat.

[greenpaper55]

:agree:

There is also the training ground

[The Modfather]

One of the reasons the club is in such disarray is because of Monty.

Gray only inherited NMW & Amos from Monty. What is it that Monty did in his 8 (?) months that was different to the downward spiral that long predated him?

[NC1875]

There is also the training ground

Plenty land for sale for miles around the training ground. You don’t need to buy a football club to get some.

[Ozyhibby]

There is also the training ground

If we could get planning out there we would already be doing it ourselves.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

There is also the training ground

There is. It would still make it nowhere near financially viable.

[green day]

There’s a difference between doing a bad job and, say, asset-stripping the club and selling Easter Road for flats.

Someone said this a few weeks ago, I did some numbers on the commercial value of the land at ER.

In summary, buying Hibs for £25m or so and "asset stripping" it for flats doesn't work financially.

I see someone also mentioned East Mains.

It's worth whatever farmland is worth with no planning permission - i.e. not that much.

Nobody buying into us is doing it for these reasons.

[matty_f]

Someone said this a few weeks ago, I did some numbers on the commercial value of the land at ER.

In summary, buying Hibs for £25m or so and "asset stripping" it for flats doesn't work financially.

I see someone also mentioned East Mains.

It's worth whatever farmland is worth with no planning permission - i.e. not that much.

Nobody buying into us is doing it for these reasons.

If a billionaire wanted to buy some land in Edinburgh, they’d just go and buy some land in Edinburgh. There’s absolutely no value in buying a football club and destroying it to get land.

The notion doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. It’s ludicrous.

[Unseen work]

Is there anymore rumours/substance to these rumours then?

Or same as around 12 this afternoon?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Someone said this a few weeks ago, I did some numbers on the commercial value of the land at ER.

In summary, buying Hibs for £25m or so and "asset stripping" it for flats doesn't work financially.

I see someone also mentioned East Mains.

It's worth whatever farmland is worth with no planning permission - i.e. not that much.

Nobody buying into us is doing it for these reasons.

:agree:

I’ve said it elsewhere but the biggest danger to us at this time is the Gordon’s (and to be clear, id say they’re not a danger, except on the actual football front).

They’re having to plug big black holes in our finances and without that, we’d be in a real spot of bother. What happens when they decide they’re not doing that anymore? Or they decide they’re going to take the stadium and rent it back to Hibs to get some of it back?

I saw something the other day and I think the idea was that at this point in time, they’re in the red for their time at Hibs in terms of what they’ve put in when they bought the club, paid off debts whilst buying the club, extra cash thrown in and the fact their stake is down to 60% odd percent.

Whether the numbers were correct or not I’ve no idea and I can’t find it again to check, but when you look at how the Gordon’s are haemorrhaging cash with Hibs at this point in time and they’re also managing to take us to the cusp of relegation, if there’s anybody to be worried about then it’s them, not some potential new buyer being an asset stripper as that simply doesn’t stack up financially.

[Greenworld]

:agree:

I’ve said it elsewhere but the biggest danger to us at this time is the Gordon’s (and to be clear, id say they’re not a danger, except on the actual football front).

They’re having to plug big black holes in our finances and without that, we’d be in a real spot of bother. What happens when they decide they’re not doing that anymore? Or they decide they’re going to take the stadium and rent it back to Hibs to get some of it back?

I saw something the other day and I think the idea was that at this point in time, they’re in the red for their time at Hibs in terms of what they’ve put in when they bought the club, paid off debts whilst buying the club, extra cash thrown in and the fact their stake is down to 60% odd percent.

Whether the numbers were correct or not I’ve no idea and I can’t find it again to check, but when you look at how the Gordon’s are haemorrhaging cash with Hibs at this point in time and they’re also managing to take us to the cusp of relegation, if there’s anybody to be worried about then it’s them, not some potential new buyer being an asset stripper as that simply doesn’t stack up financially.Not sure where all this stuff has come from.
To be fair to the Gordon's they cleared Hibs debt with the recent shares issue.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Not sure where all this stuff has come from.
To be fair to the Gordon's they cleared Hibs debt with the recent shares issue.


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It’s come from the idea we need to ‘be careful what we wish for’.

We really don’t. The club are a terrible option for an asset stripper, so it’s not something we need to worry about. At worst we’ll get folk who are incompetent and that’s what we have already.

There’ll be a mass of clubs around the country better placed for having their stadium picked off them than us.

[superfurryhibby]

Someone said this a few weeks ago, I did some numbers on the commercial value of the land at ER.

In summary, buying Hibs for £25m or so and "asset stripping" it for flats doesn't work financially.

I see someone also mentioned East Mains.

It's worth whatever farmland is worth with no planning permission - i.e. not that much.

Nobody buying into us is doing it for these reasons.

East Mains isn't farmland, it's a business property and has already had a change of land use to get it constructed?

I can't see how anyone will ever be buying Hibs for 25 million either ? Although that may be a valuation based on the sale of 25 % of the shares to Black Knights, it still seems very unrealistic to me.

Prospective buyers will no doubt have debt to take into account by the time the Gordon's GTF , although if they go soon enough that might not be so much. However, if they stay around for a few more years, I can see that being a big issue.

[Jack]

Not sure where all this stuff has come from.
To be fair to the Gordon's they cleared Hibs debt with the recent shares issue.


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To be fair it was the Gordons poor decision making that ran up the debt.

That debt has now been reconstructed in such a way so they will get their money back if/when the club is sold (for what they expect).

[Greenworld]

It’s come from the idea we need to ‘be careful what we wish for’.

We really don’t. The club are a terrible option for an asset stripper, so it’s not something we need to worry about. At worst we’ll get folk who are incompetent and that’s what we have already.

There’ll be a mass of clubs around the country better placed for having their stadium picked off them than us.Agreed

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[Greenworld]

To be fair it was the Gordons poor decision making that ran up the debt.

That debt has now been reconstructed in such a way so they will get their money back if/when the club is sold (for what they expect).Yup that's true

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[Winston Ingram]

:agree:

I’ve said it elsewhere but the biggest danger to us at this time is the Gordon’s (and to be clear, id say they’re not a danger, except on the actual football front).

They’re having to plug big black holes in our finances and without that, we’d be in a real spot of bother. What happens when they decide they’re not doing that anymore? Or they decide they’re going to take the stadium and rent it back to Hibs to get some of it back?

I saw something the other day and I think the idea was that at this point in time, they’re in the red for their time at Hibs in terms of what they’ve put in when they bought the club, paid off debts whilst buying the club, extra cash thrown in and the fact their stake is down to 60% odd percent.

Whether the numbers were correct or not I’ve no idea and I can’t find it again to check, but when you look at how the Gordon’s are haemorrhaging cash with Hibs at this point in time and they’re also managing to take us to the cusp of relegation, if there’s anybody to be worried about then it’s them, not some potential new buyer being an asset stripper as that simply doesn’t stack up financially.

They created these holes with their stupid appointments and Ian Gordon deciding he wanted to have a bash at playing Director of Football.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They created these holes with their stupid appointments and Ian Gordon deciding he wanted to have a bash at playing Director of Football.

:agree:

[Brizo]

It’s come from the idea we need to ‘be careful what we wish for’.

We really don’t. The club are a terrible option for an asset stripper, so it’s not something we need to worry about. At worst we’ll get folk who are incompetent and that’s what we have already.

There’ll be a mass of clubs around the country better placed for having their stadium picked off them than us.

I also think asset stripping fears are unfounded.

I think the Gordon's are incompetent but not corrupt. And on the "careful what you wish for" angle I think that's an important distinction as there are a number of clubs who've fallen foul of corrupt owners and gone to the wall. We could do worse than the Gordon's in that regard. That's not a defence of the Gordon's who've got things spectacularly wrong on the pitch and I've little faith in them getting things right.

Unfortunately , the days of the local builder or baker , a Tom Hart or a Harry Swan , funding a successful Hibs are long gone. And I don't see another STF (with Leith and historic Hibs connections) out there in the community. When the Gordon's go as they undoubtedly will at some stage, it's highly likely that it be another overseas owner with no connections to Edinburgh or any affinity with the club that buys us. As someone who lived through the Duff / Gray days local doesn't always mean good or competent , but overseas owners motives naturally attract suspicion and most seem to view clubs primarily as a business venture.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I also think asset stripping fears are unfounded.

I think the Gordon's are incompetent but not corrupt. And on the "careful what you wish for" angle I think that's an important distinction as there are a number of clubs who've fallen foul of corrupt owners and gone to the wall. We could do worse than the Gordon's in that regard. That's not a defence of the Gordon's who've got things spectacularly wrong on the pitch and I've little faith in them getting things right.

Unfortunately , the days of the local builder or baker , a Tom Hart or a Harry Swan , funding a successful Hibs are long gone. And I don't see another STF (with Leith and historic Hibs connections) out there in the community. When the Gordon's go as they undoubtedly will at some stage, it's highly likely that it be another overseas owner with no connections to Edinburgh or any affinity with the club that buys us. As someone who lived through the Duff / Gray days local doesn't always mean good or competent , but overseas owners motives naturally attract suspicion and most seem to view clubs primarily as a business venture.

Clubs that fall foul of corrupt owners are usually on their arse, hence why the corrupt owner swoops in. There’ll be very few examples of corrupt owners taking over clubs in fairly healthy financial positions because it doesn’t represent value for money.

Clubs that are in/hovering around administration or liquidation are generally where the corrupt owners go for their pound of flesh. Not clubs where they need to put up £25m for control.

[Jones28]

If a billionaire wanted to buy some land in Edinburgh, they’d just go and buy some land in Edinburgh. There’s absolutely no value in buying a football club and destroying it to get land.

The notion doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. It’s ludicrous.

Add in that theres tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people who have an emotional stake (or in many cases actual) shares, and it makes any potential "sold for flats" type of thing more hassle than it's worth.

How many brownfield sites are there in the city that could be built on? Dozens if not more.

It's mad to suggest that's even a remote possibility.

[superfurryhibby]

Clubs that fall foul of corrupt owners are usually on their arse, hence why the corrupt owner swoops in. There’ll be very few examples of corrupt owners taking over clubs in fairly healthy financial positions because it doesn’t represent value for money.

Clubs that are in/hovering around administration or liquidation are generally where the corrupt owners go for their pound of flesh. Not clubs where they need to put up £25m for control.

What about if said club has racked up huge debt and goes into administration?

The pace of debt accumulation under the Gordon's seemed quite alarming to me, no matter what they were doing with the cash in terms of infrastructure. This led to them needing to sell and significant share in the club to begin with . I have little confidence in their ability to run Hibs safely on a commercial basis.

We have a bloated club hierarchy, paying high salaries to the people running the show. We are also wasting a lot of money on salaries for players who contribute nothing and we are looking like potential relegation candidates.

[Jones28]

What about if said club has racked up huge debt and goes into administration?

The pace of debt accumulation under the Gordon's seemed quite alarming to me, no matter what they were doing with the cash in terms of infrastructure. This led to them needing to sell and significant share in the club to begin with . I have little confidence in their ability to run Hibs safely on a commercial basis.

We have a bloated club hierarchy, paying high salaries to the people running the show. We are also wasting a lot of money on salaries for players who contribute nothing and we are looking like potential relegation candidates.

There's no danger of this happening. Not with Black Knight involvement.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What about if said club has racked up huge debt and goes into administration?

The pace of debt accumulation under the Gordon's seemed quite alarming to me, no matter what they were doing with the cash in terms of infrastructure. This led to them needing to sell and significant share in the club to begin with . I have little confidence in their ability to run Hibs safely on a commercial basis.

We have a bloated club hierarchy, paying high salaries to the people running the show. We are also wasting a lot of money on salaries for players who contribute nothing and we are looking like potential relegation candidates.

And this comes back round to my point that at this point in time, the Gordon’s are the biggest threat to the existence of Hibs and/or its assets, not some imaginary boogeyman who ‘doesn’t have Hibs best interests at heart’ that may decide to buy them out for a significant sum of money.

The best news we could have at Hibs right now would be the sale of the club by the Gordon’s imo. It’s simply not working and they show no signs of having any idea how to fix things, rather with every roll of the dice they manage to make things even worse.

[stokesmessiah]

Big changes coming up at the club.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Big changes coming up at the club.

Are you able to tell us more?

[stokesmessiah]

Are you able to tell us more?

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

[Unseen work]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

Wow

[Jones28]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

Wowee, thats a huge deal if it comes off.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Selling Hibs comes with baggage though. Would another buyer be happy with the BK involvement? They might see it more as a partnership. Others may be looking for complete control which would rule them out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

🙏🏻

[SHODAN]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

That is significantly bigger changes than I anticipated.

[skyehibee]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

Fingers crossed this is true!

[Unseen work]

Is there not something that prevents Black Knighrs having full ownership of the club because they already own another British club?

[CapitalGreen]

Is there not something that prevents Black Knighrs having full ownership of the club because they already own another British club?

No, it would just need to be ratified by the SFA.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No, it would just need to be ratified by the SFA.

Is there a potential European competition issue? Although given all the Red Bull/City Group sides I’d presume not.

[Greenworld]

Is there not something that prevents Black Knighrs having full ownership of the club because they already own another British club?Yes there is but perhaps this is a further loosing of the laws by the sfa

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[Greenworld]

No, it would just need to be ratified by the SFA.Is that not the same thing lol

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[stokesmessiah]

Is there not something that prevents Black Knighrs having full ownership of the club because they already own another British club?

Hence they approached the SFA. Not sure if it will happen or not but the wheels are definitely in motion.

[Dmas]

Is there a potential European competition issue?

There was something as RB Leipzig drew RB Salzburg in europa and I mind there being something can’t mind the outcome of it

[Jones28]

No, it would just need to be ratified by the SFA.

I think they're seeing whats happening, and I'd be surprised if they did anything to block this. It's crazy to throw roadblocks in the way of further investment when you look at the financial gap widening further between Scotland and England, let alone the gap between Celtic and everyone else.

[Trinity Hibee]

Bit surprised none of this has hit the press but maybe too wrapped up in OF drama

[Broxburn Greens]

I'd be happy if each and every one of them left. Gray and his coaching team too. We're rock bottom anyway so starting from scratch wouldn't see us go any lower. Gray is a legend, great captain and will always be so highly thought of amongst the support but he's not getting results and has now been part of multiple failed coaching teams. SDG, I'd have a beer with him any time. Gordon, Kensell and co? Get the **** out of my club and don't darken our door again.

Top Post, exactly where I'm at with the current situation.:top marks

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I think they're seeing whats happening, and I'd be surprised if they did anything to block this. It's crazy to throw roadblocks in the way of further investment when you look at the financial gap widening further between Scotland and England, let alone the gap between Celtic and everyone else.

Hmm, not convinced of that. If they say yes to this then it opens up all the other teams too, so it’s not just a Hibs decision here, it’s everyone.

[Greenworld]

Bit surprised none of this has hit the press but maybe too wrapped up in OF dramaOther than Hibs fans think something might be happening I guess there is nothing to report yet

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[Jones28]

Hmm, not convinced of that. If they say yes to this then it opens up all the other teams too, so it’s not just a Hibs decision here, it’s everyone.

Exactly my point. Teams in Scotland need investment. This would be of benefit to everyone in the long term.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hmm, not convinced of that. If they say yes to this then it opens up all the other teams too, so it’s not just a Hibs decision here, it’s everyone.

That would be a good thing for the Scottish game. If BKFC are genuinely approaching them, I’m fairly certain it’ll be approved.

[Greenworld]

Hmm, not convinced of that. If they say yes to this then it opens up all the other teams too, so it’s not just a Hibs decision here, it’s everyone.American involvement in clubs outside Hibs is already here for me it's a Natural progression that was always going to happen.

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[Hibby Kay-Yay]

That would be a good thing for the Scottish game. If BKFC are genuinely approaching them, I’m fairly certain it’ll be approved.

This assumes that the SFA has that vision. I fear their first reaction is how such a move would negatively impact the old firm first, before thinking about any positives beyond that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This assumes that the SFA has that vision. I fear their first reaction is how such a move would negatively impact the old firm first, before thinking about any positives beyond that.

Yeah that would be the main concern. But I still can’t see them turning it down. Who knows, the way Rangers are going they might need something like this to save them.

[CapitalGreen]

Is there a potential European competition issue? Although given all the Red Bull/City Group sides I’d presume not.

Not an issue until both of us qualify for the same European competition which for us seems a long way off!

We would need to be able to demonstrate seperarion between who control the sporting side of both clubs. Man Utd/Nice and Man City/Girona were both permitted to compete in the same competition this season.

https://www.uefa.com/news-media/news/028f-1b4ba6fcea09-078845f25cbf-1000--the-cfcb-decides-on-multi-club-ownership-cases-for-the-2024-/#

[NGoloGrantie]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

I heard the same yesterday. From a pretty good source too. Fingers crossed it happens.


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[Trinity Hibee]

I heard the same yesterday. From a pretty good source too. Fingers crossed it happens.


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I wonder how long something like this takes to formally take place? Maybe January could see us change things up with the squad

[Heisenberg]

Just don’t see them allowing it.

[Jones28]

I wonder how long something like this takes to formally take place? Maybe January could see us change things up with the squad

Presumably this meeting in Vegas they had a few weeks ago was to agree a deal between the Gordons and Black Knights, so if the SFA give it a green light it might be a fairly quick process.

[NGoloGrantie]

Is there not something that prevents Black Knighrs having full ownership of the club because they already own another British club?

I do think this would cause an issue. Especially also because Black Knght own Auckland and Lorient also. Think the SFA are quite stingy when it comes to multi club ownership.


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[ionahibby]

Just don’t see them allowing it.

Yep, sfa won’t allow it. They won’t want the monopoly of rangers and Celtic being upset in anyway.

[Not In The Know]

I do think this would cause an issue. Especially also because Black Knght own Auckland and Lorient also. Think the SFA are quite stingy when it comes to multi club ownership.


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"stingy" as in not letting anyone outside the Old Firm get investment...

[NGoloGrantie]

Presumably this meeting in Vegas they had a few weeks ago was to agree a deal between the Gordons and Black Knights, so if the SFA give it a green light it might be a fairly quick process.

Aye hopefully. Mind you they did take their sweet time when approving the Black knight deal initially did it not take 2+ months to get that across the line? Might be a different process though regarding majority ownership so could be quicker. I can’t recall how long it took Ron Gordon to buy the club think that was a fairly quick process so who knows.


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[Jones28]

Yep, sfa won’t allow it. They won’t want the monopoly of rangers and Celtic being upset in anyway.

IMO this is illogical. No one is getting anywhere near Celtic - Aberdeen are at the moment but they will fall away and Celtic will still win the league by 15/20 points.

Rangers need outside investment too, they're being propped up by directors loans and subsidies.

[we are hibs]

You would assume that Foley and co would've had some kind of signal from the SFA that a full takeover would be possible if they requested dispensation? There was an article around the time of the BKG wanting to invest that the SFA would be open in future to duel majority ownership being allowed in the future.



"And the SFA board are believed to have changed their policy - and are now willing to discuss any approach for a 50.1-per-cent stake in a Scottish club from an existing club owner on a case-by-case basis.

That's assuming it preserves the integrity and increases the credibility of the national game."




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[Ozyhibby]

Add in that theres tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people who have an emotional stake (or in many cases actual) shares, and it makes any potential "sold for flats" type of thing more hassle than it's worth.

How many brownfield sites are there in the city that could be built on? Dozens if not more.

It's mad to suggest that's even a remote possibility.

There is very little building going on in Edinburgh at all these days. Hardly a crane on the skyline at all.


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[Northernhibee]

I don’t know how I’d feel about us being a feeder club in a chain. Still better than the scenario we have now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t know how I’d feel about us being a feeder club in a chain. Still better than the scenario we have now.

We’d have to be a quite incredible side to be feeding into Bournemouth, even Llorient if they end up back in Ligue 1 would need the players to be exceptional to move on to them.

If we become good enough to be able to feed into these sides then I’m all for it.

[overdrive]

You would assume that Foley and co would've had some kind of signal from the SFA that a full takeover would be possible if they requested dispensation? There was an article around the time of the BKG wanting to invest that the SFA would be open in future to duel majority ownership being allowed in the future.



"And the SFA board are believed to have changed their policy - and are now willing to discuss any approach for a 50.1-per-cent stake in a Scottish club from an existing club owner on a case-by-case basis.

That's assuming it preserves the integrity and increases the credibility of the national game."




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There were articles a week or so ago about the FC Midtjylland owner being interested in buying Dundee Utd. Between us, them, potentially Bloom at Hearts, that’s a quarter of the top league’s clubs putting pressure on them to change the rules.

[Trinity Hibee]

Aye hopefully. Mind you they did take their sweet time when approving the Black knight deal initially did it not take 2+ months to get that across the line? Might be a different process though regarding majority ownership so could be quicker. I can’t recall how long it took Ron Gordon to buy the club think that was a fairly quick process so who knows.


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Think the Gordon’s taking over from Farmer came out the blue for most of us from memory

[Greenworld]

We’d have to be a quite incredible side to be feeding into Bournemouth, even Llorient if they end up back in Ligue 1 would need the players to be exceptional to move on to them.

If we become good enough to be able to feed into these sides then I’m all for it.It's a dream scenario ,we would be doing fantastically well for that to happen and that's what the black knights want

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[green day]

I don’t know how I’d feel about us being a feeder club in a chain. Still better than the scenario we have now.

Not having a go at you, but I think people need to get away from the notion that these multi club / multi continent ownership models require one club or another to be a "feeder" club, I think that is old school thinking.

The fact that these guys say the top club in the group is Bournemouth is just a result of simple economics - we all know that Hibs are a larger club with more trophies and more fans than Bournemouth (or Brighton, for that matter) but the reality is that the money flushing into the Premiership makes them incredibly attractive.

For us, I can only really see positives - in more professional player identification, staff and better quality loans from other group clubs.

We have tried other ownership methods, are at the bottom of the league and playing crap fitba - I am up for a change !!

[Jones28]

We’d have to be a quite incredible side to be feeding into Bournemouth, even Llorient if they end up back in Ligue 1 would need the players to be exceptional to move on to them.

If we become good enough to be able to feed into these sides then I’m all for it.


It's a dream scenario ,we would be doing fantastically well for that to happen and that's what the black knights want

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:agree: imagine having players of the quality to feed a team that just beat Man City. Yes please.

[HibsGW]

:agree: imagine having players of the quality to feed a team that just beat Man City. Yes please.

This is it, very simply if we can start being a feeder club for Bournemouth or a team in the French top flight rather than our players going to Ross County and Dundee after us, it means we’re doing much, much better.

[Paul1642]

This is it, very simply if we can start being a feeder club for Bournemouth or a team in the French top flight rather than our players going to Ross County and Dundee after us, it means we’re doing much, much better.

Also is this even a bad thing? It’s not as if by not being a “feeder club” we get to keep our best players forever.

We had one of the best Scottish players in a generation and we lost him to Aston Villa for a few million pounds. If we’re lucky enough to have an equally as good player in future does loosing him to Bournemouth make any difference?

If we ever have a player good enough for the Premiership or top end of the championship, then they are leaving us regardless. As long as we get the same deal who cares where they go. At least it wont be to Celtic.

Right now we have no one worth taking so at least having players good enough to sell would be progress.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Also is this even a bad thing? It’s not as if by not being a “feeder club” we get to keep our best players forever.

We had one of the best Scottish midfielders in a generation and we lost him to Aston Villa for a few million pounds. If we’re lucky enough to have an equally as good player in future does loosing him to Bournemouth make any difference?

If we ever have a player good enough for the Premiership or top end of the championship, then they are leaving us regardless. As long as we get the same deal who cares where they go. At least it wont be to Celtic.

:agree:

We’re always going to be a feeder club. I don’t really care whether that’s a feeder club to a variety of clubs, or one individual club. If it means good players and they all go to the same place once they’re too good for our level, that’s fine by me.

[JohnM1875]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

Get ****ing in there!

[TrinityHFC]

I think Mackay will be leaving soon.

[Trinity Hibee]

I think Mackay will be leaving soon.

Just makes a mockery of the whole setup doesn’t it? McDermott and then Mackay brought in to oversee long term improvement on the football side and both potentially leave within a year.

[SHODAN]

I think Mackay will be leaving soon.

Oh no this is so sad I'm gutted

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think Mackay will be leaving soon.

Whilst I’ll be delighted to see the back of him, it makes an absolute mockery of this process we were meant to be trusting.

[Centre Hawf]

IMO this is illogical. No one is getting anywhere near Celtic - Aberdeen are at the moment but they will fall away and Celtic will still win the league by 15/20 points.

Rangers need outside investment too, they're being propped up by directors loans and subsidies.

I hope this is in their minds when it comes to approving someone like us (or even Hearts). There is the risk that their golden child through west will come cap in hand within the next 5 years asking similar questions as we are and they'll have to give the same answer to them as they do us if they want to avoid a headache.

[Heisenberg]

I think Mackay will be leaving soon.

Kensell and the Gordons eh? What a job they have done.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yep, sfa won’t allow it. They won’t want the monopoly of rangers and Celtic being upset in anyway.

Hibs wont do that even with Foley being in charge.

[Joe6-2]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.

Good source?
Please let this be true

[Joe6-2]

I think Mackay will be leaving soon.

Take his mates with him

[21May16]

I think Mackay will be leaving soon.

Mackay getting sacked off a group called the black knights is pretty poetic.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think Mackay will be leaving soon.

Oh no, what type of player will we be able to sign now without his expertise?

[Northernhibee]

Oh no, what type of player will we be able to sign now without his expertise?

We’ve done a great job lowering the squad age by getting rid of Le Fondre, Hanlon, and Stevenson and bringing in the likes of Gayle and Hoilett. Give him a break.

[Unseen work]

Whilst I’ll be delighted to see the back of him, it makes an absolute mockery of this process we were meant to be trusting.

It’s just madness that after Monty was sacked we done a full review with the black knights

The black knights never wanted Malky or SDG

The Gordons etc decided to ignore their new and highly successful partners and go with what they want

6 later we’re ripping it up again

Got to imagine Marshall will be one that’s leaving too?

[CapitalGreen]

We’ve done a great job lowering the squad age by getting rid of Le Fondre, Hanlon, and Stevenson and bringing in the likes of Gayle and Hoilett. Give him a break.

Lowering the average age doesn’t mean having no older players.

[blackpoolhibs]

Lowering the average age doesn’t mean having no older players.

Whoosh. :greengrin

[Jones28]

It’s just madness that after Monty was sacked we done a full review with the black knights

The black knights never wanted Malky or SDG

The Gordons etc decided to ignore their new and highly successful partners and go with what they want

6 later we’re ripping it up again

Got to imagine Marshall will be one that’s leaving too?

I can genuinely see about 10 people leaving the club - Gordon appointees to the board, full coaching staff revamp, Kensall, Ian Gordon.

If this all comes off it will be the biggest turnaround we've ever had at every level.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I can genuinely see about 10 people leaving the club - Gordon appointees to the board, full coaching staff revamp, Kensall, Ian Gordon.

If this all comes off it will be the biggest turnaround we've ever had at every level.

Fingers crossed.

[Lago]

From what I just heard the Gordon’s are out and the black knights have approached the SFA for clearance to take over the club.
Hope it's true but sounds a bit fanciful to me.

[Centre Hawf]

I can genuinely see about 10 people leaving the club - Gordon appointees to the board, full coaching staff revamp, Kensall, Ian Gordon.

If this all comes off it will be the biggest turnaround we've ever had at every level.

Not to mention when these types of changes happen people tend to restructure the business. When Dempster took over post relegation the next 12 months saw a lot of changes within the office of the club I believe. Same with the Gordon's. My only real wish is that regular people doing their jobs well don't suffer from this. We're quick to lump the club as one entity at times for failing on the park but I'm sure there will be plenty within the club doing their jobs perfectly well being let down by the football side too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can genuinely see about 10 people leaving the club - Gordon appointees to the board, full coaching staff revamp, Kensall, Ian Gordon.

If this all comes off it will be the biggest turnaround we've ever had at every level.

Fingers crossed, we sure as hell need it.

[blackpoolhibs]

I can genuinely see about 10 people leaving the club - Gordon appointees to the board, full coaching staff revamp, Kensall, Ian Gordon.

If this all comes off it will be the biggest turnaround we've ever had at every level.

More expense, it's frightening the amount of money these jokers have wasted, and even much more if this is right?:boo hoo:

[Billy Whizz]

I can genuinely see about 10 people leaving the club - Gordon appointees to the board, full coaching staff revamp, Kensall, Ian Gordon.

If this all comes off it will be the biggest turnaround we've ever had at every level.

Bournemouth run a tight ship at boardroom level. They have only 5 directors where Hibs have 12, including 2 from Bournemouth who also sit on the BAFC board

[darwenhibby]

Bournemouth run a tight ship at boardroom level. They have only 5 directors where Hibs have 12, including 2 from Bournemouth who also sit on the BAFC board

12 directors??
Who are they??
No wonder decisions Cant be made

[Hibs Go Bragh]

It’s just madness that after Monty was sacked we done a full review with the black knights

The black knights never wanted Malky or SDG

The Gordons etc decided to ignore their new and highly successful partners and go with what they want

6 later we’re ripping it up again

Got to imagine Marshall will be one that’s leaving too?

I bet if you asked the guys from the Black Knights about any review at Hibs they wouldn't have a clue what you were on about! I think "the review" was made up to keep the fans happy.

If you have a genuine review and the answer is Malky Mackay, what the bloody hell was the question?!

[Centre Hawf]

I bet if you asked the guys from the Black Knights about any review at Hibs they wouldn't have a clue what you were on about! I think "the review" was made up to keep the fans happy.

If you have a genuine review and the answer is Malky Mackay, what the bloody hell was the question?!

How to annoy a fanbase even further?

[GreenCastle]

12 directors??
Who are they??
No wonder decisions Cant be made


https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/club/directors/