Gordon, Kensell, Mackay and co..times up

[Brightside]

In other news, Calvin Charlton has been emptied. I've no idea if he was any good or not, but it seems like a classic case of scapegoating.

He was Head of Recruitment. We dont need one if the Bournemouth guy is going to do it. Also rather than being the scapegoat would the Head of Recruitment not have a direct influence on the players we have bought?

[Tyler Durden]

In other news, Calvin Charlton has been emptied. I've no idea if he was any good or not, but it seems like a classic case of scapegoating.

Not really. We changed DOF in the summer and now we've removed the head of technical recruitment. How do you expect things to improve if we don't change the personnel?

Should have happened sooner if anything.

[Steve88]

Does anyone know much about the actual recruitment team we've assembled below MM since the Gordons tookover? ie the grunts doing all the work/scouting players...

has the team largely remained the same? completely new? what are their credentials ? past experience?

I seen a name - Calvin Charlton head of tech recruitment - yesterday and I've never heard of him before.

As much as we like to blame the head of recruitment, it's the team assembled and who report into the head of recruitment that do the work..

[overdrive]

Does anyone know much about the actual recruitment team we've assembled below MM since the Gordons tookover? ie the grunts doing all the work/scouting players...

has the team largely remained the same? completely new? what are their credentials ? past experience?

I seen a name - Calvin Charlton head of tech recruitment - yesterday and I've never heard of him before.

As much as we like to blame the head of recruitment, it's the team assembled and who report into the head of recruitment that do the work..

Calvin Charlton pre-dated MM. He was originally the video analyst that would do the analysis at HT/post-game etc. before going into the recruitment side. No idea who has come in since MM came in.

[Winston Ingram]

He was Head of Recruitment. We dont need one if the Bournemouth guy is going to do it. Also rather than being the scapegoat would the Head of Recruitment not have a direct influence on the players we have bought?

It’s a bit like rewiring the electrics before putting out the fire.

The board don’t seem to realise how perilous our position is. We’ve hired a rookie management team and they are performing even worse than expected and they’re showing absolutely no signs of being able to turn it round. We need to stop the rot now.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Jeez don't tell me he's added surgeon to his list of "specialities".

He’s watched series 1 and 2 of Grey’s Anatomy so he’s perfectly qualified. In the same way he’s perfectly qualified to be Head of Recruitment because he sat in on a couple of player ID seminars.

[Bridge hibs]

He’s watched series 1 and 2 of Grey’s Anatomy so he’s perfectly qualified. In the same way he’s perfectly qualified to be Head of Recruitment because he sat in on a couple of player ID seminars.

Thank **** its not Grays anatomy ! 😧

[blackpoolhibs]

Does anyone know much about the actual recruitment team we've assembled below MM since the Gordons tookover? ie the grunts doing all the work/scouting players...

has the team largely remained the same? completely new? what are their credentials ? past experience?

I seen a name - Calvin Charlton head of tech recruitment - yesterday and I've never heard of him before.

As much as we like to blame the head of recruitment, it's the team assembled and who report into the head of recruitment that do the work..

Cant remember the thread, but i asked this very question a few weeks ago on here, and got called Ally McCoist? :faf:

I was also told to look it up, i did and found nothing, it's a secret the club dont want us to know.

[TrinityHFC]

Cant remember the thread, but i asked this very question a few weeks ago on here, and got called Ally McCoist? :faf:

I was also told to look it up, i did and found nothing, it's a secret the club dont want us to know.

What difference would it make to anyone? If anyone knows one recruitment analyst or scout from another then I assume they won’t need to look it up and they could tell us all how good they are or who might be better than them.

[Slim Shady]

The fact our CEO has chosen to go on holiday in the Caribbean when the club is on its knees, should be an enough to sack him!!

Who ever sanctioned the leave should also resign, ie the board.
Booked or not. We are in the ****. And he’s away galavanting. No other business in the world would this be acceptable.

Get him and the board out.

[blackpoolhibs]

What difference would it make to anyone? If anyone knows one recruitment analyst or scout from another then I assume they won’t need to look it up and they could tell us all how good they are or who might be better than them.

It would be nice to look up who they are and look at their previous signings to see if they are any good at it, we see the poor ******* that has to work with what he's given, and give him praise or stick depending on how he's doing, why not those who provide him with the players he has to use?:confused:

[Jones28]

It’s a bit like rewiring the electrics before putting out the fire.

The board don’t seem to realise how perilous our position is. We’ve hired a rookie management team and they are performing even worse than expected and they’re showing absolutely no signs of being able to turn it round. We need to stop the rot now.

We should be doing both simultaneously.

We can’t add to the squad until January and I’d rather the guy responsible for signing the dross we have signed wasn’t here for that.

[7Hero]

Scouts are volunteers , tells you all you need to know about how serious we are on that front..

[Paulie Walnuts]

Scouts are volunteers , tells you all you need to know about how serious we are on that front..

Do we still have scouts for senior players? Or is that just all done by the recruitment team?

A guy I know is a scout for Hibs at youth level, gets nothing for it like you say.

[Centre Hawf]

Do we still have scouts for senior players? Or is that just all done by the recruitment team?

A guy I know is a scout for Hibs at youth level, gets nothing for it like you say.

I don't know about scouts specifically but I know a lot of our analytics is done by University interns.

[Chorley Hibee]

The fact our CEO has chosen to go on holiday in the Caribbean when the club is on its knees, should be an enough to sack him!!

Who ever sanctioned the leave should also resign, ie the board.
Booked or not. We are in the ****. And he’s away galavanting. No other business in the world would this be acceptable.

Get him and the board out.

Ripping the absolute piss.

As you say, club on its arse, through much of his doing, and he's not even around because he's sunning himself in the Caribbean.

350k a year for this level of responsibility and accountability.

[GreenPJ]

The fact our CEO has chosen to go on holiday in the Caribbean when the club is on its knees, should be an enough to sack him!!

Who ever sanctioned the leave should also resign, ie the board.
Booked or not. We are in the ****. And he’s away galavanting. No other business in the world would this be acceptable.

Get him and the board out.

Perhaps he has been told he is going in Jan/end of Season and they sanctioned time-off as a result or perhaps start of gardening leave.

[GreenPJ]

Scouts are volunteers , tells you all you need to know about how serious we are on that front..

Is this different to what other clubs in Scotland do (outside of the Old Firm)?

[overdrive]

Ripping the absolute piss.

As you say, club on its arse, through much of his doing, and he's not even around because he's sunning himself in the Caribbean.

350k a year for this level of responsibility and accountability.

I'm no fan of Kensell and will celebrate the day it is announced he's gone (for good - not just on holiday) but I don't really have an issue with him going away.

Firstly, is he supposed to predict when we are going to have a crisis in the future when booking a holiday? What's he meant to say to his family? "Sorry, we need to rearrange the holiday. We'll go at the next international break". The next international break comes round and we are in crisis and he has to do that again.

Secondly, I bet he is working whilst away. It is pretty common for people at that level to have the laptop and phone with them when on "holiday". Its pretty common for people not at that level to be doing that these days (rightly or wrongly).

Thirdly, and linked to the above, in this day and age does he really need to be there in person? I get a leader needs to be visible and I wouldn't suggest he do the CEO gig as a fully remote job but a week or two when he's not physically there but still answering messages, doing the odd conference call, etc. I think is OK. Remember, due to the composition of our board now, I bet the club's board meetings have at least some element of video conferencing to them. Its not like he's David Gray trying to do a training session via Zoom rather than being out on the training pitches.

Finally, would you rather he went away during the transfer window or the immediate runup to a transfer window? He got slated for being on leave over one of the League Cup games because it was during the window (and also because he was at a The Rangers game whilst on leave). He can't really win when it comes to holidays.

[Donegal Hibby]

No fan of Kensell though is there much wrong in the guy having a holiday at this time when there’s no football anyhow?

[Centre Hawf]

As bad as we are, there is still a human side of me that won't get angry at a guy going on holiday with his wife and kids. It's probably hard enough to find the time to do it at the best of times, if he has to wait till we're a good football team to do so he'd never get to go.

[Winston Ingram]

No fan of Kensell though is there much wrong in the guy having a holiday at this time when there’s no football anyhow?

This is where i am with it.

[Billy Whizz]

Scouts are volunteers , tells you all you need to know about how serious we are on that front..

They were paid off during Covid, even though Hibs got a £2.1m pay out from insurance taken out by the previous owners
Most were part-time, but even so

[Jack]

As bad as we are, there is still a human side of me that won't get angry at a guy going on holiday with his wife and kids. It's probably hard enough to find the time to do it at the best of times, if he has to wait till we're a good football team to do so he'd never get to go.

Are you actually suggesting he took his kids out of school!!!

Hanging is too good for some folk! 🤬

[JimBHibees]

Mackay and Marshall’s presentation about recruitment to the black knights must have been brutal before they’re giving us someone from their recruitment 🤣

Or it might have just been one slide please help us :greengrin

[Unseen work]

Or it might have just been one slide please help us :greengrin

I heard it was was just this;

[007]

I'm no fan of Kensell and will celebrate the day it is announced he's gone (for good - not just on holiday) but I don't really have an issue with him going away.

Firstly, is he supposed to predict when we are going to have a crisis in the future when booking a holiday? What's he meant to say to his family? "Sorry, we need to rearrange the holiday. We'll go at the next international break". The next international break comes round and we are in crisis and he has to do that again.

Secondly, I bet he is working whilst away. It is pretty common for people at that level to have the laptop and phone with them when on "holiday". Its pretty common for people not at that level to be doing that these days (rightly or wrongly).

Thirdly, and linked to the above, in this day and age does he really need to be there in person? I get a leader needs to be visible and I wouldn't suggest he do the CEO gig as a fully remote job but a week or two when he's not physically there but still answering messages, doing the odd conference call, etc. I think is OK. Remember, due to the composition of our board now, I bet the club's board meetings have at least some element of video conferencing to them. Its not like he's David Gray trying to do a training session via Zoom rather than being out on the training pitches.

Finally, would you rather he went away during the transfer window or the immediate runup to a transfer window? He got slated for being on leave over one of the League Cup games because it was during the window (and also because he was at a The Rangers game whilst on leave). He can't really win when it comes to holidays.

Exactly, getting a bit hysterical if insisting he should be cancelling his holiday.

[JimBHibees]

I heard it was was just this;

:faf:

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m quite interested in this guy Garvan Stewart that’s supposedly coming into help us and been watching some stuff on him . Apologies as this one’s not very clear…

https://youtu.be/zoQRh4fAmVo?si=50-y_Dxpc__Pi2B0

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/bournemouth/9294596/inside-ballmouth

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/garvan-stewart/profil/trainer/130466

[NC1875]

Exactly, getting a bit hysterical if insisting he should be cancelling his holiday.

Agree, he has to keep that David Dickinson glow somehow. He can’t go to Tanz every day!

[wills]

No fan of Kensell though is there much wrong in the guy having a holiday at this time when there’s no football anyhow?
This is the same guy who went to see Ranger v Man Utd at Murrayfield when we were playing Kelty Hearts. His loyalty lies elsewhere.

[Northernhibee]

This is the same guy who went to see Ranger v Man Utd at Murrayfield when we were playing Kelty Hearts. His loyalty lies elsewhere.

Time with my family when I get the chance is more important than my work too.

There are a long list of reasons I can’t stand Teflon Ben but this line of attack is a bit low IMO.

[Donegal Hibby]

Time with my family when I get the chance is more important than my work too.

There are a long list of reasons I can’t stand Teflon Ben but this line of attack is a bit low IMO.

Agreed 👍

[Lago]

:aok:
Time with my family when I get the chance is more important than my work too.

There are a long list of reasons I can’t stand Teflon Ben but this line of attack is a bit low IMO.

[matty_f]

Folk need holidays and time off from worn, they’re more effective at work when they can have time away.

Guy’s allowed a holiday, he’s not doing anyone any favours if he doesn’t take it.

[WhileTheChief..]

No problem with him going on holiday.

The longer he's away, the better.

[CentreLine]

What has happened to our supporters if we somehow think we can dictate if or when a club employee can take a holiday? Social media is just crazy. 🙄

[marinello59]

Time with my family when I get the chance is more important than my work too.

There are a long list of reasons I can’t stand Teflon Ben but this line of attack is a bit low IMO.

:agree:

[babahibs]

Jeez, there's a few folk here have lost the plot.
Everyone is entitled to a holiday, everyone.

[bingo70]

Jeez, there's a few folk here have lost the plot.
Everyone is entitled to a holiday, everyone.

Tbf that’s what most people are saying, there’s not many objecting to his holiday.

[AlbertK86]

I'm no fan of Kensell and will celebrate the day it is announced he's gone (for good - not just on holiday) but I don't really have an issue with him going away.

Firstly, is he supposed to predict when we are going to have a crisis in the future when booking a holiday? What's he meant to say to his family? "Sorry, we need to rearrange the holiday. We'll go at the next international break". The next international break comes round and we are in crisis and he has to do that again.

Secondly, I bet he is working whilst away. It is pretty common for people at that level to have the laptop and phone with them when on "holiday". Its pretty common for people not at that level to be doing that these days (rightly or wrongly).

Thirdly, and linked to the above, in this day and age does he really need to be there in person? I get a leader needs to be visible and I wouldn't suggest he do the CEO gig as a fully remote job but a week or two when he's not physically there but still answering messages, doing the odd conference call, etc. I think is OK. Remember, due to the composition of our board now, I bet the club's board meetings have at least some element of video conferencing to them. Its not like he's David Gray trying to do a training session via Zoom rather than being out on the training pitches.

Finally, would you rather he went away during the transfer window or the immediate runup to a transfer window? He got slated for being on leave over one of the League Cup games because it was during the window (and also because he was at a The Rangers game whilst on leave). He can't really win when it comes to holidays.

Excellent post. Holiday will have been booked months ago.


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[Ribs1875]

We should all be chanting this when revealing the banner about our feelings towards the board.

Hey now, hey now
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won't win

[Since90+2]

No issue with him going away with the family. As has been mentioned this will likely have been booked for many months.

Family is more important than anything. I'd not be putting my employer ahead of time with the family, no matter what position I held or who I worked for.

[babahibs]

We should all be chanting this when revealing the banner about our feelings towards the board.

Hey now, hey now
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won't win

I'm guessing at least one joint :smokin

[HoboHarry]

I'm guessing at least one joint :smokin
We could put music to it and get the Doobie Brothers to sing it.....

[Ribs1875]

We could put music to it and get the Doobie Brothers to sing it.....

Remember when they tried to get half time singers a few years back. This could be an angle. Lol

[Donegal Hibby]

Probably rubbish though strange rumour about Kensell ….

https://www.ibroxnews.com/2024/11/13/rangers-surprise-emerges-amid-links-with-hibernian-chief-ben-kensell/

[Stuart93]

Probably rubbish though strange rumour about Kensell ….

https://www.ibroxnews.com/2024/11/13/rangers-surprise-emerges-amid-links-with-hibernian-chief-ben-kensell/

Canny see it but that would be absolutely ideal for us.

[Bridge hibs]

Probably rubbish though strange rumour about Kensell ….

https://www.ibroxnews.com/2024/11/13/rangers-surprise-emerges-amid-links-with-hibernian-chief-ben-kensell/

He better no ****ing take the tellies ! 🤬

[Donegal Hibby]

He better no ****ing take the tellies ! 🤬

Holiday in Caribbean makes sense now 🤭

[Bridge hibs]

Holiday in Caribbean makes sense now 🤭

He will just need to dampen down his tan a shade to orange and billys yer uncle

[Gmack7]

He better no be using a club phone from the carribean to contact all the folk moaning about him

[Winston Ingram]

Probably rubbish though strange rumour about Kensell ….

https://www.ibroxnews.com/2024/11/13/rangers-surprise-emerges-amid-links-with-hibernian-chief-ben-kensell/

Maybe he’s been working undercover here?👀

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hopefully the Gordon’s can buy rangers as well and the lot of them can run the Huns into the ground instead.

[Nicho87]

Canny see it but that would be absolutely ideal for us.

He’d walk over broken triple glazed glass to get there I’m sure

[007]

Probably rubbish though strange rumour about Kensell ….

https://www.ibroxnews.com/2024/11/13/rangers-surprise-emerges-amid-links-with-hibernian-chief-ben-kensell/

My money was on McKinlay getting that gig.

[Donegal Hibby]

My money was on McKinlay getting that gig.

Wouldn’t rule it out . I was surprised the St Mirren one turned it down with him being a hun , thought that was strange to say the least.

[stokesmessiah]

Wouldn’t rule it out . I was surprised the St Mirren one turned it down with him being a hun , thought that was strange to say the least.

They are goosed!

[Winston Ingram]

Wouldn’t rule it out . I was surprised the St Mirren one turned it down with him being a hun , thought that was strange to say the least.

They're absolutely donald ducked so anyone with a brain cell would have second thoughts doing that job. Hopefully Kensell's ego will be overpower his thinking.

[Centre Hawf]

I think there is zero in that and it's more written off the back of a podcast conversation about potential replacements rather than a "Rangers are lining up a move for..." type talk.

That being said, if it was to come true, he should be prepared for hell of a lot more scrutiny than he currently gets here. If you think this place can get mental after a couple of rotten seasons, just wait and see what happens when you fall behind the title race... again.

[Springbank]

That's a tremendous rumour

Frying Pan and Fire springs to mind

Timing might just suit all 3 parties though - Hibs, Rangers and Ben Kensall

[Chorley Hibee]

Nice of Ben to hide over in the Caribbean as the latest embarrassing chapter of the season unfolds.

Hopefully his arse follows Derek White out the door.

[SHODAN]

https://i.imgur.com/nFPZpnn.png

[Jones28]

Give me shabby hospitality and mediocre commercial income over this bunch of useless *****.

I didn’t know how they’d make things worse, I didn’t think it possible, but **** me have they delivered.

**** the ****ing lot of them, the board, the owners, **** off.

Disgraceful and goes something beyond negligence.

[Hibees1973]

Brighton manager was asked at the weekend why his club are doing well.

'Because we have good people' was his answer.

The Golden quadrant of MacKay, Kensell, McPherson and Ian Gordon are not good people.

We don't stand a chance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Get to ****.

[SHODAN]

Tom Farmer - get your club back. SOS.

[Keith_M]

The fact our CEO has chosen to go on holiday in the Caribbean when the club is on its knees, should be an enough to sack him!!

Who ever sanctioned the leave should also resign, ie the board.
Booked or not. We are in the ****. And he’s away galavanting. No other business in the world would this be acceptable.

Get him and the board out.


Sorry but I don't see how a guy going on holiday with his family is a sacking offence.

[Jack]

Tom Farmer - get your club back. SOS.

As things have gone from bad to worse on the pitch these last 5 years I've often wondered what STF and RPs thoughts are.

[marinello59]

Sorry but I don't see how a guy going on holiday with his family is a sacking offence.

Aye , nowt wrong with going on holiday. It’s what he has overseen whilst not on holiday that should see him gone.

[B.H.F.C]

We could really be doing with these changes that are being rumoured happening quickly.

With the latest negative press things are just going to turn totally toxic unless there is some significant change off the pitch.

The mess we are in is quite unbelievable when you think back to the optimism that the investment brought.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Dear Kit


SELL SELL SELL

[Real Emerald]

That's a tremendous rumour

Frying Pan and Fire springs to mind

Timing might just suit all 3 parties though - Hibs, Rangers and Ben Kensall

He’ll only be there a few weeks and he’ll be back to raid all our good players for them. We’re doomed. 😂

[HoboHarry]

Sorry but I don't see how a guy going on holiday with his family is a sacking offence.

It isn't and the poster stating it is being daft. You'd think internet, zoom meetings etc hadn't been invented yet.

[Hiber-nation]

Dear Kit


SELL SELL SELL

Do you know that’s actually the name of an early David Gray album? :greengrin

[brianmc]

He’ll only be there a few weeks and he’ll be back to raid all our good players for them. We’re doomed. 😂

Post of the month. Bravo 😁

[cabbageandribs1875]

Do you know that’s actually the name of an early David Gray album? :greengrin


Praise the Lord Above :music:









and NO i didn't, but i do now :)

[One Day Soon]

What a ****ing shower. You’re scared to go to bed for fear of what you wake up to the next day with these jokers in charge.

[Baader]

How can you keep getting so much wrong? It's just staggering. Absolute disaster area.

[JimBHibees]

Brighton manager was asked at the weekend why his club are doing well.

'Because we have good people' was his answer.

The Golden quadrant of MacKay, Kensell, McPherson and Ian Gordon are not good people.

We don't stand a chance.

Do you know any of them personally?

[JimBHibees]

Time with my family when I get the chance is more important than my work too.

There are a long list of reasons I can’t stand Teflon Ben but this line of attack is a bit low IMO.

Agree work to live not live to work.

[H18S NX]

I think we may have difficulty in fulfilling our fixtures with your plan 🤔...Good,no more depressing weekends.

[Tambo]

Evening news running with a story with 80 players signed since July 2nd 2019.

80 players in 5 years, 16 players a year.

[Lago]

Evening news running with a story with 80 players signed since July 2nd 2019.

80 players in 5 years, 16 players a year.
Our recruitment team know their stuff:greengrin

[Just_Jimmy]

He’ll only be there a few weeks and he’ll be back to raid all our good players for them. We’re doomed. [emoji23]If they take him, they can have all our players for free as a thank you.



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[Paulie Walnuts]

Get to ****.

[SHODAN]

Get the **** out of our club

[we are hibs]

The usual lot will be along soon defending them like always

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[Tambo]

Either all just **** off or let Foley have a go at making every decision.

[GreenCastle]

Destroying our club

[Coco Bryce]

Our club is dying on its arse because of these inept clowns.

[SHODAN]

Right, anyone who wants them out, I want a full itemised report covering your top ten recommendations for a new owner and their full individual business strategy complete with at least five character references, on my desk tomorrow. Anyone who doesn't do this will have their opinion voided and their post deleted.

[Coco Bryce]

Right, anyone who wants them out, I want a full itemised report covering your top ten recommendations for a new owner and their full individual business strategy complete with at least five character references, on my desk tomorrow. Anyone who doesn't do this will have their opinion voided and their post deleted.

And I want the same with why they should stay?

[Gatecrasher]

The club were on the up when these guys took over and now we're favourites for relegation. They probably couldn't have messed up more if they tried.

[Famousfivehh]

Think we are past these clowns having any chance of restoring our faith in their ability to manage effectively and resolving our position. They have lost the fanbase. Can only hope they are seeking a buyer to end our and their own nightmare.

[Centre Hawf]

And I want the same with why they should stay?

It's not how it works apparently. We're supposed to be grateful we have these owners/people at the club until we can suggest 100% safe alternative to them!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

And I want the same with why they should stay?

I don't think that they were being particularly serious.

[Coco Bryce]

I don't think that they were being particularly serious.

Neither was I.

[Hibiza]

Complete futility to comment any more on this shambles.

[Clarence]

Leann wasn’t perfect but she was light years ahead of this shower.

[HarpOnHibee]

Leann wasn’t perfect but she was light years ahead of this shower.

She was the glue that held everything together. Improved relations from top to bottom. Everybody at the club knew their roles and the importance of those roles. What a stark difference.

[.Sean.]

Is our suntanned leader back from his well deserved holiday in the Caribbean yet?

[HendoDelivered]

I see B7 have spray painted “Sack The Board” outside the stadium.

[HarpOnHibee]

I see B7 have spray painted “Sack The Board” outside the stadium.

Sacrebleu!

[Centre Hawf]

I see B7 have spray painted “Sack The Board” outside the stadium.

I don’t want to be that guy but is that not a separate business they’ve vandalised in the process? I’m sure thats a wee unit of different wee businesses? Not very clever if so.

[CL0762]

She was the glue that held everything together. Improved relations from top to bottom. Everybody at the club knew their roles and the importance of those roles. What a stark difference.

Aye but the FF stand was a mess & commercially we were *****, or something.

[SHODAN]

I see B7 have spray painted “Sack The Board” outside the stadium.

Clearly not smart enough not to bite the hand that feeds them.

[Hibiza]

Sell up to the BK's for £1 and walk away . brought it on yourselves.

[Coco Bryce]

I see B7 have spray painted “Sack The Board” outside the stadium.

Did they sign it?

[mcfly]

Reading these pages is very sad as it appears most of the fan base have given up and accepted that unless serious change occurs relegation is a certainty

Kensell, Gordon, mackay, all need to go.

Issue for me is David gray has a big squad but he is still picking the same players they are letting him down.

Same old stuff said after every game, oh the players are hurting etc etc

What a load of rubbish, what about the fans spending lots of money to watch that bunch of wage thief’s and non triers.

Hibs at the moment are a joke of a club and someone somewhere needs to take control and get a grip

[Hibiza]

Can only be Foley.

[Jack]

Sell up to the BK's for £1 and walk away . brought it on yourselves.

Sell it to me for £1.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Reading these pages is very sad as it appears most of the fan base have given up and accepted that unless serious change occurs relegation is a certainty

Kensell, Gordon, mackay, all need to go.

Issue for me is David gray has a big squad but he is still picking the same players they are letting him down.

Same old stuff said after every game, oh the players are hurting etc etc

What a load of rubbish, what about the fans spending lots of money to watch that bunch of wage thief’s and non triers.

Hibs at the moment are a joke of a club and someone somewhere needs to take control and get a grip


i don't think it should be our owners son

[snedzuk]

Did they sign it?

There's a picture of it in the Herald and block seven are credited with the pic.

[Coco Bryce]

There's a picture of it in the Herald and block seven are credited with the pic.

Ah OK. Never seen anything.

Heard its been cleaned off already though.

[mcohibs]

The Gordon family have ripped the soul from this football club and set us back years.

[superfurryhibby]

Complete futility to comment any more on this shambles.


Sell up to the BK's for £1 and walk away . brought it on yourselves.


Can only be Foley.

Kwality nonsense.

[Hibiza]

Total silence ( as usual ) from our " Leader " . Tanning more important.

[Hibiza]

Kwality nonsense.

Thanks superfurry, best compliment I've had on here.

[TrinityHFC]

Total silence ( as usual ) from our " Leader " . Tanning more important.

The board collectively made a statement not long ago. I don’t really expect to hear from people running the club every week, even if things aren’t going well.

Leadership in reality also means not taking action if you feel you have to stand back and take a view that at that point it is the right thing to do. We’ve tried making frequent change. I can see why they would want to try and see this out without going so again.

I’m not saying that’s right or wrong but it is a valid approach.

[Hibiza]

The board collectively made a statement not long ago. I don’t really expect to hear from people running the club every week, even if things aren’t going well.

Leadership in reality also means not taking action if you feel you have to stand back and take a view that at that point it is the right thing to do. We’ve tried making frequent change. I can see why they would want to try and see this out without going so again.

I’m not saying that’s right or wrong but it is a valid approach.

Good comment , accepted.

[Hibs90]

Not that anyone needs a reminder but...


Gordon
Kensell
Mackay
Marshall

The lot of them. Get out.

[Gatecrasher]

What a goal man!

[Unseen work]

I quite like being balanced on here, so with that in mind what’s everyone’s opinions now?

Threads pop up on every one of the above after every defeat. But nothing said when we go on a good run of form?

Do they deserve credit for signing the likes of

Cadden
Iredale
Smith
Triantis
Gayke

A lot still needs to improved don’t get me wrong, but are we too quick to blame those above?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I quite like being balanced on here, so with that in mind what’s everyone’s opinions now?

Threads pop up on every one of the above after every defeat. But nothing said when we go on a good run of form?

Do they deserve credit for signing the likes of

Cadden
Iredale
Smith
Triantis
Gayke

A lot still needs to improved don’t get me wrong, but are we too quick to blame those above?

No, we’re not too quick. The Gordons have been here for years now and they’ve done a terrible job on the pitch. Kensell has been the CEO for a good few years now and has overseen a terrible period on the pitch. I don’t think there can be any suggestion that the fans have been too quick to criticise them.

[A Hi-Bee]

We are still very much a work in progress, never did find out the result of the Black Knight review, or what the process actually is.
So the jury on my part, still very much out on this one.

[Unseen work]

No, we’re not too quick. The Gordons have been here for years now and they’ve done a terrible job on the pitch. Kensell has been the CEO for a good few years now and has overseen a terrible period on the pitch. I don’t think there can be any suggestion that the fans have been too quick to criticise them.

What about for Malky? From early on he got dogs abuse, especially about recruitment

[Paulie Walnuts]

What about for Malky? From early on he got dogs abuse, especially about recruitment

The waters have been completely muddied with Mackay because nobody has a clue what he’s even done since coming in. Fairly good sources have indicated he didn’t feel like he had the time to plan anything for the summer so we decided to go ahead with Brian McDermotts targets despite the fact we identified that he was failing. It’s also been suggested he had no input to the appointment of Gray despite it being his job and him being in post prior to the appointment. He then had the Luke McCowan fiasco where he had absolutely no plan B for a million pound hole that he’d identified in our team.

Ultimately, the job Mackay has done so far, on the face of it at least, has contributed to us being in the bottom half of the league. In terms of summer signings, there’s not been a whole lot that can at this point be deemed a success, so I think he’s definitely still on the failing side of the line imo.

[NC1875]

Although we’re on a good run and hopefully continue moving up the table. We’ve still not made the top 6 yet which most people would agree is the bare minimum from any Hibs manager/squad.

So on that basis I’d say at this moment in time the season so far is still a failure. Although, eventually we’ve improved and there are positive signs that we can hopefully continue the upward trajectory.

If that does continue and we have a good season, then praise can and will be given to people accordingly.

[Golden Bear]

Doesn't matter who is in charge, there will always be some fans who will have animosity towards successful business/corporate involvement.

[worcesterhibby]

The Gordon’s and Kensall have shown us that they are more than capable of doing a great job of running the “non-football” parts of a football club. Income has greatly increased, the ground has been developed and there are still some fantastic community projects ongoing. We are told they finally relinquished their hold on the football side of things when they brought in MM and allowed the Black Knights to get involved. Half a season of football is hardly enough time to judge how that’s going, but after a very difficult start, things are looking positive. Some of this seasons signings have been excellent and if our upward trajectory continues, we really could end up in 4th or 5th.. which would be real progress. We will then have the opportunity to jettison more players who haven’t worked out and strengthen the squad further. Garvin Stewart will be leading that process alongside MM and with input for SDG. I would suggest that right now things are looking extremely positive and that tearing ourselves apart by calling for the heads of Ian Gordon and Kensall would be hugely self destructive. They have made lots of expensive mistakes, but they seem to have learned from them and they certainly know how to run the commercial aspects which is really important too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Doesn't matter who is in charge, there will always be some fans who will have animosity towards successful business/corporate involvement.

Or more accurately, animosity towards failing football involvement.

[Donegal Hibby]

One thing they deserve credit for is for is sticking with Gray when many would have sacked him on here .

[we are hibs]

My opinion is still that the quicker they leave the better.

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[Jones28]

Have either of Kensall or Gordon been at recent games? Rumoured that Black Knight are happy to keep BK in post because of his off-field record which I am not bothered by.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Have either of Kensall or Gordon been at recent games? Rumoured that Black Knight are happy to keep BK in post because of his off-field record which I am not bothered by.

Gordon apparently hadn’t been at games for ages. He was definitely in Edinburgh for Christmas though and he was at ER on Christmas Day. No idea if he’s been at games though.

[Clarence]

Kensell has been at the recent games I think.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Doesn't matter who is in charge, there will always be some fans who will have animosity towards successful business/corporate involvement.

Normal same 10/15 negative poster's.


Just ignore them and get behind the CLUB most of us supporters love.

[ben johnson]

Gordon apparently hadn’t been at games for ages. He was definitely in Edinburgh for Christmas though and he was at ER on Christmas Day. No idea if he’s been at games though.

Ian Gordon and his wife were certainly at the meal provided by Hibs Community
They were both there before it started and were present when I left at 2.15pm
In between they both got stuck in serving , stacking plates and cleaning tables.
Great effort from both of them.

[The Tubs]

Gordon apparently hadn’t been at games for ages. He was definitely in Edinburgh for Christmas though and he was at ER on Christmas Day. No idea if he’s been at games though.

I saw Ian Gordon outside the Famous Five on Sunday. He gave me a second look as my gadgie-like appearance probably induced a fear of being bladed. Just as well we've been on a decent run or I would have shared some reflections on his signings.

[DIXIHIBS]

It's all about winning games. Win and the board barely gets a mention...lose and they are slated. A bit of balance would help at times.

[oneone73]

Ian Gordon and his wife were certainly at the meal provided by Hibs Community
They were both there before it started and were present when I left at 2.15pm
In between they both got stuck in serving , stacking plates and cleaning tables.
Great effort from both of them.

Nice to hear.

[Callum_62]

Have either of Kensall or Gordon been at recent games? Rumoured that Black Knight are happy to keep BK in post because of his off-field record which I am not bothered by.I saw Kensell on Sunday pre game

First time in a while actually but he was definitely there

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[Haymaker]

Kensall and Malky can still bolt.

[matty_f]

The waters have been completely muddied with Mackay because nobody has a clue what he’s even done since coming in. Fairly good sources have indicated he didn’t feel like he had the time to plan anything for the summer so we decided to go ahead with Brian McDermotts targets despite the fact we identified that he was failing. It’s also been suggested he had no input to the appointment of Gray despite it being his job and him being in post prior to the appointment. He then had the Luke McCowan fiasco where he had absolutely no plan B for a million pound hole that he’d identified in our team.

Ultimately, the job Mackay has done so far, on the face of it at least, has contributed to us being in the bottom half of the league. In terms of summer signings, there’s not been a whole lot that can at this point be deemed a success, so I think he’s definitely still on the failing side of the line imo.

Malky had input to Gray's appointment, it's wrong to say he had none and I think if push came to shove and he had a solid argument not to proceed with the recommendation, he could have vetoed it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Malky had input to Gray's appointment, it's wrong to say he had none and I think if push came to shove and he had a solid argument not to proceed with the recommendation, he could have vetoed it.

That’s not what was suggested by a poster on here. Fair enough if that’s the case, but it was suggested by a fairly prominent poster on here who’s deemed to be a bit ‘ITK’ that Gray was getting the job regardless.

[Cat Stanton]

Irrespective of an improvement in results, their previous actions (eg everything Ian Gordon had to apologise for in that Sky Sports interview) have all smacked of astonishing incompetence.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Irrespective of an improvement in results, their previous actions (eg everything Ian Gordon had to apologise for in that Sky Sports interview) have all smacked of astonishing incompetence.

:agree:

And a 7 game run which ultimately still sees us bottom 6 and out the cup after failing to win a group against lower league teams is nowhere near enough to change that opinion.

[Wilson]

:agree:

And a 7 game run which ultimately still sees us bottom 6 and out the cup after failing to win a group against lower league teams is nowhere near enough to change that opinion.

Well you're just using results to beat them with. If we can criticise "irrespective of improved results" surely we should be doing it irrespective of historical ones?

Or just simply accept that results weren't good enough. Now they are. That is progress. Let's see if we can keep that going?

[Victor]

The way I see it is:,the club are owned by a family/corporate body and the fans have no real say in how the club is run; or we can own the club i.e Hearts and have no real say in how the club is run. At least with the model we have we are not paying to be overlooked.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well you're just using results to beat them with. If we can criticise "irrespective of improved results" surely we should be doing it irrespective of historical ones?

Or just simply accept that results weren't good enough. Now they are. That is progress. Let's see if we can keep that going?

If the historical ones were over a 7 game period, you’d have a fair point. Instead it’s years of incompetence.

If we can keep it going then they’ll be deserving of praise. 7 games is far too short a period after years of failure to be able to say they’re suddenly actually pretty good at this football stuff.

[HarpOnHibee]

We're on a good run of form, but that doesn't change anything in regards to what has been said previously. If things continue to go the way they are and we at the very least hit the bare minimum target of top six, then fair enough, they'll be given time. But it won't take long for fans to turn should things go pair shaped by the end of the season. We're still nowhere near where we need to be, despite our current form.

[matty_f]

That’s not what was suggested by a poster on here. Fair enough if that’s the case, but it was suggested by a fairly prominent poster on here who’s deemed to be a bit ‘ITK’ that Gray was getting the job regardless.

I think it's semantics really - I would agree with the other poster that in practical terms, that's the case and Malky's essentially signed off on the appointment, but he did interview Gray as well. I do think it Malky had had really serious reservations about Gray that he could have changed things. As it was, he was impressed with Gray.

[Since90+2]

I think it's semantics really - I would agree with the other poster that in practical terms, that's the case and Malky's essentially signed off on the appointment, but he did interview Gray as well. I do think it Malky had had really serious reservations about Gray that he could have changed things. As it was, he was impressed with Gray.

Agreed. The run of results Gray was on meant he could have been sacked and the fact he wasn't you'd imagine it's because Mackay gave his backing to the board.

[Hibs90]

Nothing has changed for me. 4 wins on the bounce doesn't make up for years of failure on the park.

[Smartie]

I’ve felt a bit of a change for maybe a year and a bit. The sacking of LJ when they chose to do it was a shambles and we’ve had to suffer some consequence since then.

I was neither here nor there about Monty going. He didn’t get enough time or enough transfer windows but he also showed absolutely no reason why he should be kept on.

Amidst all of that the Black Knights arrived on the scene and having taking a bit of time to get to grips with Ron’s passing, you got the feeling the Gordons were getting to grips with what owning Hibs meant for them.

I honestly think we’re on the right track but it’s a long road. You can actually achieve a fairly respectable league position whilst enduring all sorts of pish along the way, as could probably be highlighted by our current position, much improved as it is after a few wins.

A 4th or 5th placed finish, miles ahead of Hearts, maybe a wee cup run and possibly European football, all whilst the long contracts of non-contributors run down really would be an excellent result from this season, and it’s all within grasp.

I really want for us to be in a position of security, where the players for next season are being lined up as of now, by the sporting director and head coach who know they’re going to be here to see that work through, instead of being in a state of perma-crisis where we’re only ever a defeat or two from wanting to sack everyone and start again.

And I actually think all of the aforementioned have played a blinder by keeping quiet for a month or two, leaving the football to improve and speak for itself…

[matty_f]

I’ve felt a bit of a change for maybe a year and a bit. The sacking of LJ when they chose to do it was a shambles and we’ve had to suffer some consequence since then.

I was neither here nor there about Monty going. He didn’t get enough time or enough transfer windows but he also showed absolutely no reason why he should be kept on.

Amidst all of that the Black Knights arrived on the scene and having taking a bit of time to get to grips with Ron’s passing, you got the feeling the Gordons were getting to grips with what owning Hibs meant for them.

I honestly think we’re on the right track but it’s a long road. You can actually achieve a fairly respectable league position whilst enduring all sorts of pish along the way, as could probably be highlighted by our current position, much improved as it is after a few wins.

A 4th or 5th placed finish, miles ahead of Hearts, maybe a wee cup run and possibly European football, all whilst the long contracts of non-contributors run down really would be an excellent result from this season, and it’s all within grasp.

I really want for us to be in a position of security, where the players for next season are being lined up as of now, by the sporting director and head coach who know they’re going to be here to see that work through, instead of being in a state of perma-crisis where we’re only ever a defeat or two from wanting to sack everyone and start again.

And I actually think all of the aforementioned have played a blinder by keeping quiet for a month or two, leaving the football to improve and speak for itself…
Good post. :agree:

[cameronw-hfc]

Being brutally honest, I think those who disagree/don't like Malky, myself included, results won't change that.

A league win wouldn't change my opinion of Malky, its unfortunate but the club have hired someone in Malky that a good chunk of the fans will never ever accept, regardless of how we do.

Of course there will be some who will change their mind and more power to them, but personally, as much as it might be petty, my reasons for not wanting Malky in the building won't be changed by a few good results.

It also won't change the fact that the people in charge hired him, which puts a huge stain on their already poor records

[Paulie Walnuts]

Being brutally honest, I think those who disagree/don't like Malky, myself included, results won't change that.

A league win wouldn't change my opinion of Malky, its unfortunate but the club have hired someone in Malky that a good chunk of the fans will never ever accept, regardless of how we do.

Of course there will be some who will change their mind and more power to them, but personally, as much as it might be petty, my reasons for not wanting Malky in the building won't be changed by a few good results.

It also won't change the fact that the people in charge hired him, which puts a huge stain on their already poor records

That’s fair. I don’t want Mackay at the club. Out of everything that could happen, him leaving would be top of my list. Nothing will change that.

[overdrive]

I reckon it’s Malky’s influence that stopped us pulling the trigger on Gray. FWIW, I’d have punted Gray ages ago but maybe, just maybe it looks like holding fire was the right decision.

[Donegal Hibby]

New year catch up with Ian Gordon ….

https://youtu.be/8LLMuW6-VEA?si=6RT6dZ9FZh6o4s37

[InvertedFullBak]

New year catch up with Ian Gordon ….

https://youtu.be/8LLMuW6-VEA?si=6RT6dZ9FZh6o4s37

A nice well scripted interview.

[MartinfaePorty]

Just listened to it. I know it was clear to everyone, but good that he's acknowledged the focus now needs to be the team on the pitch (I refuse to say 'on field'!).

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[DarlingtonHibee]

New year catch up with Ian Gordon ….

https://youtu.be/8LLMuW6-VEA?si=6RT6dZ9FZh6o4s37

Good to see Hibs playing their part in the community 👍

[InvertedFullBak]

Just listened to it. I know it was clear to everyone, but good that he's acknowledged the focus now needs to be the team on the pitch (I refuse to say 'on field'!).

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its only taken 5 years to get to this point. Got there in the end eh ?.

[Not In The Know]

I think it's semantics really - I would agree with the other poster that in practical terms, that's the case and Malky's essentially signed off on the appointment, but he did interview Gray as well. I do think it Malky had had really serious reservations about Gray that he could have changed things. As it was, he was impressed with Gray.


the decision to appoint Gray was all down to self preservation. They knew the fans would give him more time than any other manger. Plus another failed nobody would leave the board with nowhere to go.

[JimBHibees]

the decision to appoint Gray was all down to self preservation. They knew the fans would give him more time than any other manger. Plus another failed nobody would leave the board with nowhere to go.

Or they thought he could do a good job

[JohnM1875]

When you actually think about it, we must be one of the best set up clubs in the UK. By that I mean stadium, facilities and training centre etc, not on the pitch (where it matters most, I know!)

If we kick on and get the final piece of the puzzle right it could and should be massive for us. Please, listen to the Black Knights on the football side of things!

[Since90+2]

Or they thought he could do a good job

Yeah, the idea he was appointed to be some short of shield for the board is a bit tinfoil hat for me.

If anything, giving his status with the fans the blame would be past quicker to the board than him if he wasn't a club legend.

[hibsbollah]

That’s fair. I don’t want Mackay at the club. Out of everything that could happen, him leaving would be top of my list. Nothing will change that.

This is my position too. Im not going to pretend i can be objective about him.

[Jock O]

its only taken 5 years to get to this point. Got there in the end eh ?.

Actually it makes no sense to just focus on one, it would be stupid, we will never get to where we want to be if we only focus on that, and in reality focus has always been on both, just one bit has been horribly badly focused, and even worse in its implementation, and sadly this is understandably the most important bit in fans perception. He gets that based on what he has said and realise it needs to improve. Hopefully actions will now match words.

He needs to say that to keep the hard of thinking off his back while hopefully they can then focus on getting it all right, And people wonder why execs get scripts written and pay fortunes on spin doctors!

As always we can only wait and see, throwing more mud his way seems hardly beneficial. He might have proven he is not as competent as he thought he was at the talent stuff, but it is his family still putting their money where their mouth is. Lets at least have a few more weeks of goodwill to all men (and women) under the Hibs umbrella.

[tonyrougier123]

All hail Malky Mackay king of the hibees revolution!! 😂
Some folk on here need to have a word, hardly anyone cares in grand scheme about Malky being at hibs. Few vocal folk on here still trying to make it relevant shows how sad some are on here, even when the club has had a spirited revival recently.

Get a grip folks smile laugh love new year new us and awe that!

Happy new year.🥳

[Northernhibee]

New year catch up with Ian Gordon ….

https://youtu.be/8LLMuW6-VEA?si=6RT6dZ9FZh6o4s37

A nice time for him to be able to do one of these, but four or five positive results does not a summer make.

We need to see that we can sustain challenging teams who will be up there in the battle for third, but also recruiting sensibly, have contingency plans for when players and coaching staff move on, but also very importantly be financially sustainable going forward. The loss in the last accounts was alarming and we need to be turning a profit going forward.

The stories of good people leaving the club don’t sit well and we consistently have to act in as professional manner as possible. Some of the bits of gossip flying around don’t sit well with me at all.

I also don’t know how the Black Knights involvement will turn out long term, but I’m very mindful of a statement made by a senior member of the club that the team “feeder club” was never mentioned in negotiations. That’s not the same as not being expected to play in a certain way, or to work to a certain process. I’d like to make sure we don’t become that , a feeder club in all but name.

The goodwill towards SDG and the playing team isn’t cascading up the way yet - it’ll take sustained evidence of proper change to convince me.

[superfurryhibby]

its only taken 5 years to get to this point. Got there in the end eh ?.

It's almost like we didn't finish third, have some decent European performances and reach two cup finals in that time :rolleyes:

I think we all know there have been mistakes made with some dire stuff in the Gordon tenure but let's not be too enthusiastic about wallowing in misery on every post we make on here eh?

[we are hibs]

Usual suspects are back I see

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[hibeerealist]

Being brutally honest, I think those who disagree/don't like Malky, myself included, results won't change that.

A league win wouldn't change my opinion of Malky, its unfortunate but the club have hired someone in Malky that a good chunk of the fans will never ever accept, regardless of how we do.

Of course there will be some who will change their mind and more power to them, but personally, as much as it might be petty, my reasons for not wanting Malky in the building won't be changed by a few good results.

It also won't change the fact that the people in charge hired him, which puts a huge stain on their already poor records

MM has apologised a number of times, put the pitchforks away and let him get on with his job!!

I never ever guessed there were so many in our support who are without sin, truly amazing!

[Donegal Hibby]

As to Malky Mackay , purely from a footballing point of view he might prove to be a decent appointment with the experience he has in the game ( time will tell of course )

As to the other stuff from his past, yes it was wrong and awful but surely rather than condemning him for it for the rest of his life we can give the guy a second chance .

[Mcbizz1998]

Being brutally honest, I think those who disagree/don't like Malky, myself included, results won't change that.

A league win wouldn't change my opinion of Malky, its unfortunate but the club have hired someone in Malky that a good chunk of the fans will never ever accept, regardless of how we do.

Of course there will be some who will change their mind and more power to them, but personally, as much as it might be petty, my reasons for not wanting Malky in the building won't be changed by a few good results.

It also won't change the fact that the people in charge hired him, which puts a huge stain on their already poor records

Meh, don’t think so tbh. We win the league and there won’t be threads on here calling for Malky to go anywhere. Football fans are fickle and results are all that matter. When Hibs are crap, the fans will go after those responsible, when we’re winning they won’t.

[InvertedFullBak]

It's almost like we didn't finish third, have some decent European performances and reach two cup finals in that time :rolleyes:

I think we all know there have been mistakes made with some dire stuff in the Gordon tenure but let's not be too enthusiastic about wallowing in misery on every post we make on here eh?

Reached two finals where we chucked it.
More bottom 6 than top 6 finishes.
Crap manager after crap manager employed then binned.
£10m wasted on utter dross and around 80 players through the door into the bargain.

The negatives heavily outweigh the positives I’m afraid when it comes to the regime of the Gordon’s.

However things are now changing hopefully for the better so long may it continue.

[He's here!]

Being brutally honest, I think those who disagree/don't like Malky, myself included, results won't change that.

A league win wouldn't change my opinion of Malky, its unfortunate but the club have hired someone in Malky that a good chunk of the fans will never ever accept, regardless of how we do.

Of course there will be some who will change their mind and more power to them, but personally, as much as it might be petty, my reasons for not wanting Malky in the building won't be changed by a few good results.

It also won't change the fact that the people in charge hired him, which puts a huge stain on their already poor records

Unless anyone's stopped supporting the club then the fans have accepted Mackay. It's like the way the word 'unacceptable' gets thrown around after a dismal result. It means nothing unless you genuinely refuse to accept it and withdraw your support.

[hibsbollah]

Unless anyone's stopped supporting the club then the fans have accepted Mackay. It's like the way the word 'unacceptable' gets thrown around after a dismal result. It means nothing unless you genuinely refuse to accept it and withdraw your support.

Not really. Some folk would rather continue to support the club but think of him as an unfortunate addition to it but we’ll try to forget about it as much as we possibly can. Personally i have no interest in even thinking about Mackay far less banging on about him on here, so the pitchforks chat can go **** itself. The best way i can get you to relate, knowing your politics, is thinking of Jeremy Corbyn in the same position at Hibs. Im sure you’d still manage to support Hibs but youd probably find his existence here a bit annoying.

[Weir07]

All hail Malky Mackay king of the hibees revolution!! 😂
Some folk on here need to have a word, hardly anyone cares in grand scheme about Malky being at hibs. Few vocal folk on here still trying to make it relevant shows how sad some are on here, even when the club has had a spirited revival recently.

Get a grip folks smile laugh love new year new us and awe that!

Happy new year.🥳


MM has apologised a number of times, put the pitchforks away and let him get on with his job!!

I never ever guessed there were so many in our support who are without sin, truly amazing!

Spot on guys! Personally think Malky Mackay is a shrewd appointment and we will see the benefit of his experience in this window and beyond. Judge the man on what he does for our club, the past is in the past, he's made all the apologies and taken all the necessary corrective action years ago, let the man get on with his job and life!

[superfurryhibby]

Reached two finals where we chucked it.
More bottom 6 than top 6 finishes.
Crap manager after crap manager employed then binned.
£10m wasted on utter dross and around 80 players through the door into the bargain.

The negatives heavily outweigh the positives I’m afraid when it comes to the regime of the Gordon’s.

However things are now changing hopefully for the better so long may it continue.

I think your response typifies the point I was making.

I had already said there was some dire elements to the Gordon ownership, we don't need them listed every time you make a point . Most of us have watched the side and already know this. In fact, show me a post from the past few years that doesn't acknowledge it? |I suspect you won't be able to, because every one of us understands it already.

The same with the bleating about MacKay. We don't to hear for the hundredth time that you (not you personally) don't agree with his appointment etc, it adds nothing to any discussion anymore.

I'm more interested in what the Black Knights can do to make Hibs better. One thing that strikes me is that they bought Bournemouth as an established EPL side, have they made them better?

Lorient have been relegated under their co-ownership but now apparently listen. What has changed and how have Black Knights contributed.

What impact have they had at Auckland?

What are their actual football credentials?

We know that throwing money at something doesn't always work, look at Hearts or Hibs' misguided signing strategy under Gordon's.

What makes Foley so certain that they can actually improve Hibs and what are the ultimate aims of their involvement?

Maybe it's just me, but these kind of questions are more interesting than endlessly making the same point repeatedly.

[Since90+2]

Spot on guys! Personally think Malky Mackay is a shrewd appointment and we will see the benefit of his experience in this window and beyond. Judge the man on what he does for our club, the past is in the past, he's made all the apologies and taken all the necessary corrective action years ago, let the man get on with his job and life!

Agreed. The guy made a mistake and has taken corrective action since then.

He didn't murder anyone and his actions were, IMO atleast, less severe than players who have been convicted of drink driving that can and does lead to people being seriously injured or even killed yet certain posters who continually bring up Mackay never seem to mention that.

[He's here!]

Not really. Some folk would rather continue to support the club but think of him as an unfortunate addition to it but we’ll try to forget about it as much as we possibly can. Personally i have no interest in even thinking about Mackay far less banging on about him on here, so the pitchforks chat can go **** itself. The best way i can get you to relate, knowing your politics, is thinking of Jeremy Corbyn in the same position at Hibs. Im sure you’d still manage to support Hibs but youd probably find his existence here a bit annoying.

I don't especially dislike Corbyn as a person (not that I know him, but when he spoke non-politically about his allotment, making jam, music, Arsenal etc) he seemed a reasonable enough bloke. I don't actually think he'd annoy me at Hibs if he was doing a good job. Nicola Sturgeon on the other hand... 😉

I think the fact Mackay's not in the front line makes it easier for fans to say they don't accept him at the club. It would be interesting to see if anyone acted more decisively if he were in the dugout. FWIW I'm not delighted he's at the club but prepared to believe he genuinely regrets his previous behaviour.

[hibsbollah]

I don't especially dislike Corbyn as a person (not that I know him, but when he spoke non-politically about his allotment, making jam, music, Arsenal etc) he seemed a reasonable enough bloke. I don't actually think he'd annoy me at Hibs if he was doing a good job. Nicola Sturgeon on the other hand... 😉

I think the fact Mackay's not in the front line makes it easier for fans to say they don't accept him at the club. It would be interesting to see if anyone acted more decisively if he were in the dugout. FWIW I'm not delighted he's at the club but prepared to believe he genuinely regrets his previous behaviour.

:greengrin Fair enough. Sturgeon in the Tam McCourt role has possibilities.

[blackpoolhibs]

Reached two finals where we chucked it.
More bottom 6 than top 6 finishes.
Crap manager after crap manager employed then binned.
£10m wasted on utter dross and around 80 players through the door into the bargain.

The negatives heavily outweigh the positives I’m afraid when it comes to the regime of the Gordon’s.

However things are now changing hopefully for the better so long may it continue.

I've thought in the last season or two that it did not matter who they appointed as manager, we dont really know how good any of them could have been because of the Gordons interference?

Now we win a few games and he's up front giving tv interviews, mare faces than the town hall clock.

[chrisski33]

I'm just curious why Gordon didn't come out and say something before our 4 game win streak.
Yes it's Christmas and New Year time son hence the statement.
I reckon the upturn results could be down to BKninfluence

[FastEddieFelson]

I'm just curious why Gordon didn't come out and say something before our 4 game win streak.
Yes it's Christmas and New Year time son hence the statement.
I reckon the upturn results could be down to BKninfluence

Have heard a few people suggest this. What could the black knights have possibly done to improve our performances?

[500miles]

Have heard a few people suggest this. What could the black knights have possibly done to improve our performances?

Unless they were the ones who decided to keep SDG on, Absolutely hee haw.

If they really wanted to help they had Scottish Prem proven goalies and centre half's sitting doing nothing during the window.

They let their french mob get relegated as well, let's not get into our heads that they have all the answers. If they felt ignored, they should come up with better.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

:greengrin Fair enough. Sturgeon in the Tam McCourt role has possibilities.

Team bus driver surely. 🤭

[HoboHarry]

Unless they were the ones who decided to keep SDG on, Absolutely hee haw.

If they really wanted to help they had Scottish Prem proven goalies and centre half's sitting doing nothing during the window.

They let their french mob get relegated as well, let's not get into our heads that they have all the answers. If they felt ignored, they should come up with better.
Like what for example?

[InvertedFullBak]

I've thought in the last season or two that it did not matter who they appointed as manager, we dont really know how good any of them could have been because of the Gordons interference?

Now we win a few games and he's up front giving tv interviews, mare faces than the town hall clock.

He rocked up in the famous five BTG at the weekend. Hadn’t been seen for months yet once the results start getting better he’s everywhere.

As you say , more faces than the town clock.

[Iain G]

I've thought in the last season or two that it did not matter who they appointed as manager, we dont really know how good any of them could have been because of the Gordons interference?

Now we win a few games and he's up front giving tv interviews, mare faces than the town hall clock.

Or he could stay silent then you could whine about him not being transparent, poor Comms, taking the fans for mugs etc etc 😁

[oneone73]

Reached two finals where we chucked it.

We chucked a cup final against Celtc? Really?
Nothing to do with Beaton, for example?

[InvertedFullBak]

We chucked a cup final against Celtc? Really?
Nothing to do with Beaton, for example?

We were ahead for about 2 minutes because players weren’t paying attention and not concentrating.

Blaming the ref is the easy option.

[Gloucester Hibs]

I’ve felt a bit of a change for maybe a year and a bit. The sacking of LJ when they chose to do it was a shambles and we’ve had to suffer some consequence since then.

I was neither here nor there about Monty going. He didn’t get enough time or enough transfer windows but he also showed absolutely no reason why he should be kept on.

Amidst all of that the Black Knights arrived on the scene and having taking a bit of time to get to grips with Ron’s passing, you got the feeling the Gordons were getting to grips with what owning Hibs meant for them.

I honestly think we’re on the right track but it’s a long road. You can actually achieve a fairly respectable league position whilst enduring all sorts of pish along the way, as could probably be highlighted by our current position, much improved as it is after a few wins.

A 4th or 5th placed finish, miles ahead of Hearts, maybe a wee cup run and possibly European football, all whilst the long contracts of non-contributors run down really would be an excellent result from this season, and it’s all within grasp.

I really want for us to be in a position of security, where the players for next season are being lined up as of now, by the sporting director and head coach who know they’re going to be here to see that work through, instead of being in a state of perma-crisis where we’re only ever a defeat or two from wanting to sack everyone and start again.

And I actually think all of the aforementioned have played a blinder by keeping quiet for a month or two, leaving the football to improve and speak for itself…

Great post 👏🏻

[superfurryhibby]

Or he could stay silent then you could whine about him not being transparent, poor Comms, taking the fans for mugs etc etc 😁

With the structure in place you would imagine Ian Gordon isn't an essential part of how Hibs are run on a day-to-day basis. I'm sure he will have other business interests and a life in the USA that demand his attention.

This pleases me personally, I prefer that he leaves the football side of our operation to the people who know what they're doing.

[Northernhibee]

Have heard a few people suggest this. What could the black knights have possibly done to improve our performances?

Look at the state of Manchester United to see what a club without a plan or level of professionalism offers. Hundreds of millions of pounds pumped into transfers and every bit deserving of potentially being in a relegation battle.

Like it or not in any organisation if things aren’t pin sharp at the top, that lack of standard filters down through every level.

[hibee1875]

Agreed. The guy made a mistake and has taken corrective action since then.

He didn't murder anyone and his actions were, IMO atleast, less severe than players who have been convicted of drink driving that can and does lead to people being seriously injured or even killed yet certain posters who continually bring up Mackay never seem to mention that.


What mistake did he make? Is it a mistake to be racist and misogynistic?

[007]

We were ahead for about 2 minutes because players weren’t paying attention and not concentrating.

Blaming the ref is the easy option.

Compared to blaming the Gordons for it. 🤔

[Hibiza]

Kensell and Gordon : Def out.

[InvertedFullBak]

Compared to blaming the Gordons for it. 🤔

Im not blaming the Gordon’s for it. I’m blaming the players for not being switched on when they should be.

Read the post again. :aok::aok::aok:

[007]

Im not blaming the Gordon’s for it. I’m blaming the players for not being switched on when they should be.

Read the post again. :aok::aok::aok:

I read all the posts and by extension you are blaming the Gordons.

If you are not blaming them then why have you included it in you list of negatives that outweigh the positives when it comes to the regime of the Gordons?

[tamig]

I read all the posts and by extension you are blaming the Gordons.

If you are not blaming them then why have you included it in you list of negatives that outweigh the positives when it comes to the regime of the Gordons?

Some people eh?

[Donegal Hibby]

A nice time for him to be able to do one of these, but four or five positive results does not a summer make.

We need to see that we can sustain challenging teams who will be up there in the battle for third, but also recruiting sensibly, have contingency plans for when players and coaching staff move on, but also very importantly be financially sustainable going forward. The loss in the last accounts was alarming and we need to be turning a profit going forward.

The stories of good people leaving the club don’t sit well and we consistently have to act in as professional manner as possible. Some of the bits of gossip flying around don’t sit well with me at all.

I also don’t know how the Black Knights involvement will turn out long term, but I’m very mindful of a statement made by a senior member of the club that the team “feeder club” was never mentioned in negotiations. That’s not the same as not being expected to play in a certain way, or to work to a certain process. I’d like to make sure we don’t become that , a feeder club in all but name.

The goodwill towards SDG and the playing team isn’t cascading up the way yet - it’ll take sustained evidence of proper change to convince me.

Four or five positive results don’t but they are certainly grounds to be optimistic going forward I think as were some of our negative results in the performances were good at times too ..

I think the appointment of Stewart and the Bk’s coming on board shows there is changes happening though your right in we don’t know how the BK’s involvement will turn out long term but they do have history of doing well and getting someone of Stewart’s pedigree after years of failed recruitment again I think is grounds to be optimistic …

I wasn’t onboard with Folly getting involved at the start as I did listen to him in the beginning referring to the clubs that was going to be in the group as “ feeder clubs “ though he did change the way he spoke about this in referring to it as a partnership with other clubs..

I suppose for the many mistakes the Gordon’s have made I am glad that they are the owners as I genuinely believe they care about the club and have its best interests at heart as opposed to being entirely under the control of a group that have numerous other interests..

Honestly think there’s been far too many changes at the club over the last few years be it managers , the players, staff at the club etc that’s got us nowhere fast and the club is badly in need of some stability from top to bottom..

Probably not a popular opinion though I’m very much behind Gray and the Gordon’s and hoping that our partnership with the BK’s will prove successful in the future …

With a hard hat on dare I say that maybe now is the time to stick together and finally trust the process.👍

[O'Rourke3]

:agree:

And a 7 game run which ultimately still sees us bottom 6 and out the cup after failing to win a group against lower league teams is nowhere near enough to change that opinion.We won the group, the loss took us out of the seeds.

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[Northernhibee]

Four or five positive results don’t but they are certainly grounds to be optimistic going forward I think as were some of our negative results in the performances were good at times too ..

I think the appointment of Stewart and the Bk’s coming on board shows there is changes happening though your right in we don’t know how the BK’s involvement will turn out long term but they do have history of doing well and getting someone of Stewart’s pedigree after years of failed recruitment again I think is grounds to be optimistic …

I wasn’t onboard with Folly getting involved at the start as I did listen to him in the beginning referring to the clubs that was going to be in the group as “ feeder clubs “ though he did change the way he spoke about this in referring to it as a partnership with other clubs..

I suppose for the many mistakes the Gordon’s have made I am glad that they are the owners as I genuinely believe they care about the club and have its best interests at heart as opposed to being entirely under the control of a group that have numerous other interests..

Honestly think there’s been far too many changes at the club over the last few years be it managers , the players, staff at the club etc that’s got us nowhere fast and the club is badly in need of some stability from top to bottom..

Probably not a popular opinion though I’m very much behind Gray and the Gordon’s and hoping that our partnership with the BK’s will prove successful in the future …

With a hard hat on dare I say that maybe now is the time to stick together and finally trust the process.👍

I was called disrespectful for saying that I didn’t want to hear from the Gordon’s or Kensell earlier this season as I don’t trust them in terms of what they see compared to what I see as a supporter from the outside looking in.

IG’s said we’ve not been consistent enough in the last two years and consistency isn’t what my concern would be, our decline has been relatively consistent as, from what I’ve seen, the scattergun manner in which decisions have been made. A young manager in Maloney didn’t work so let’s get in an experienced head in LJ. A young, successful manager from abroad was next and that didn’t work so we’ve gone to an internal candidate. That nearly didnt work. How much weight you put into the rumour of SDG’s position being under threat at the time of the statement is up to you but we ended up sticking with him.

Ian Gordon is a good talker, as truthfully is Ben Kensell. For me my limit on buying into “trusting the process” ran out earlier than most when IG became head of recruitment and we went from signing good players who were known quantities to splashing ridiculous money on transfers or wages on the likes of Mueller, Melkersen, Kenneh, Hauge, Jair, or even entertaining Bojang. Latterly we seen the likes of Vente come in for big money and fail to make a real lasting impact.

This summer window appears in hindsight as if it may have been good (although I doubted that notably at the worst of our run) but the best signings are ones that feel like the ones that we’d have made under Mathie and Dempster. If we’d stuck with that strategy after finishing third we’d likely have had Europe group stages and the money that comes with it - along with not having wasted money on terrible players.

After a month that we’d defeated Hearts and Aberdeen away, it’s a great time to put out a statement as the mood is understandably more forgiving but for me, the narrative shouldn’t be controlled by those who have set us back. We need to see how the current upturn in form works out across a season or two, and how the accounts look as well.

Only sustained success on the pitch and in the accounts can now set if IG is the right man for the job as if we don’t have both going forward it’s not sustainable.

[TrinityHFC]

I was called disrespectful for saying that I didn’t want to hear from the Gordon’s or Kensell earlier this season as I don’t trust them in terms of what they see compared to what I see as a supporter from the outside looking in.

IG’s said we’ve not been consistent enough in the last two years and consistency isn’t what my concern would be, our decline has been relatively consistent as, from what I’ve seen, the scattergun manner in which decisions have been made. A young manager in Maloney didn’t work so let’s get in an experienced head in LJ. A young, successful manager from abroad was next and that didn’t work so we’ve gone to an internal candidate. That nearly didnt work. How much weight you put into the rumour of SDG’s position being under threat at the time of the statement is up to you but we ended up sticking with him.

Ian Gordon is a good talker, as truthfully is Ben Kensell. For me my limit on buying into “trusting the process” ran out earlier than most when IG became head of recruitment and we went from signing good players who were known quantities to splashing ridiculous money on transfers or wages on the likes of Mueller, Melkersen, Kenneh, Hauge, Jair, or even entertaining Bojang. Latterly we seen the likes of Vente come in for big money and fail to make a real lasting impact.

This summer window appears in hindsight as if it may have been good (although I doubted that notably at the worst of our run) but the best signings are ones that feel like the ones that we’d have made under Mathie and Dempster. If we’d stuck with that strategy after finishing third we’d likely have had Europe group stages and the money that comes with it - along with not having wasted money on terrible players.

After a month that we’d defeated Hearts and Aberdeen away, it’s a great time to put out a statement as the mood is understandably more forgiving but for me, the narrative shouldn’t be controlled by those who have set us back. We need to see how the current upturn in form works out across a season or two, and how the accounts look as well.

Only sustained success on the pitch and in the accounts can now set if IG is the right man for the job as if we don’t have both going forward it’s not sustainable.

Mathie and Dempster weren’t much better with signings overall. Yes welcome very good ones and McGinn worked out better than anyone would imagine. Revisit the full list sometime.

What specific job are you talking about that IG currently doing?

[Northernhibee]

Mathie and Dempster weren’t much better with signings overall. Yes welcome very good ones and McGinn worked out better than anyone would imagine. Revisit the full list sometime.

What specific job are you talking about that IG currently doing?

For taking this club forward as a man at the top of the table.

If we’re in a position where we have the football department under Mackay being run with assistance from the Black Knight group, recruitment being run alongside with Stewart heading up the scouting, Kensell sticking to the lane of bringing money into the club and neither him or IG getting involved in the footballing side of things but merely overseeing the other departments and holding them to account then that could work.

They also need to accept the help and expertise of the BK group and I begin to get the feeling that this is happening.

I also don’t disagree that Mathie and Dempster made some mistakes but overall I felt we were far better under them.

I don’t want to hear about it though - I just want to see a sustained period of us being a successful, profitable, and professionally run club. Once that happens over a spell of a couple of seasons or more I’ll be delighted.

[Stuart93]

It doesn’t sit right with me that they appear to go missing when times are tough/****s hitting the fan

Then they reappear again after we’ve hit a wee bit of form

I understand the damned if they do scenario but I wouldn’t mind them coming out and showing their face over social media when we’re struggling

[CapitalGreen]

It doesn’t sit right with me that they appear to go missing when times are tough/****s hitting the fan

Then they reappear again after we’ve hit a wee bit of form

I understand the damned if they do scenario but I wouldn’t mind them coming out and showing their face over social media when we’re struggling

The last interview was just after we’d finished 8th in the league and had sacked another manager - not a positive time for the club.

[Smartie]

It doesn’t sit right with me that they appear to go missing when times are tough/****s hitting the fan

Then they reappear again after we’ve hit a wee bit of form

I understand the damned if they do scenario but I wouldn’t mind them coming out and showing their face over social media when we’re struggling

I’m ok with it.

Sometimes saying nothing is the best policy, as anything they say will be leapt on and contorted. They literally couldn’t win, so why bother?

I do think we need to hear from them from time to time (and I think Ian Gordon’s shyness has historically done him no favours) and the time’s probably about right again that somebody says something.

[Ozyhibby]

The last interview was just after we’d finished 8th in the league and had sacked another manager - not a positive time for the club.

We’re only 7th now so not much better.


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[HoboHarry]

We’re only 7th now so not much better.


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Things are a whole lot better currently but then you already know that and yet still prefer to be negative.

[Jack]

Things are a whole lot better currently but then you already know that and yet still prefer to be negative.

After 5 years let's not kid ourselves on everything in the garden is rosey after 4 decent results.

Hopefully we'll see recruitment improve over this window.

I'm looking forward to editing that to 5 in about an hour.

[cocopops1875]

It doesn’t sit right with me that they appear to go missing when times are tough/****s hitting the fan

Then they reappear again after we’ve hit a wee bit of form

I understand the damned if they do scenario but I wouldn’t mind them coming out and showing their face over social media when we’re struggling

Did Ian Gordon not do a decent interview with Sky this season when it was all going pear shaped ?