Managerial Vacancies

[Smartie]

they're doing well near the top but i was very surprised they got hammered by lowly Bolton yesterday 6-0

They're ridiculously inconsistent.

At times they actually play decent stuff but then they've taken a few horsings when they just didn't look like they knew what they were doing.

Some of their players are amongst the best in that league - a league they really need to get out of - and with the right man in charge they should really do so.

They're a tough crowd down there though and I don't think there would have been any coming back from yesterday's result (probably the worst in the club's history) for Johnson.

[Tambo]

Lennon linked with Sunderland on the BBC gossip page.

[Northernhibee]

Lennon linked with Sunderland on the BBC gossip page.

Because when you've tried everything else to get promoted, may as well get someone expensive in to call the players a right bunch of *****.

[JamesHFC]

Roy Keane to be interviewed by Sunderland and Steve Bruce to be next West Brom manager the latest rumours.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Roy Keane to be interviewed by Sunderland and Steve Bruce to be next West Brom manager the latest rumours.


The Baggies signed striker Daryl Dike in the January window, but the new arrival from MLS side Orlando City suffered a hamstring injury on his home debut. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60126380)


same side we got chris mueller from, but i can't remember seeing him play in the few games i watched mueller


cost West Brom close on £8m

[Lago]

The Baggies signed striker Daryl Dike in the January window, but the new arrival from MLS side Orlando City suffered a hamstring injury on his home debut. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60126380)


same side we got chris mueller from, but i can't remember seeing him play in the few games i watched mueller


cost West Brom close on £8m
Maybe we got a bargain 🤔

[JamesHFC]

Sunderland have offered Roy Keane the managers job.

[HoboHarry]

The Baggies signed striker Daryl Dike in the January window, but the new arrival from MLS side Orlando City suffered a hamstring injury on his home debut. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60126380)


same side we got chris mueller from, but i can't remember seeing him play in the few games i watched mueller


cost West Brom close on £8m
Played for the national side a few times - my wife yelled at me for saying that Megan Rapinoe would be thrilled there was a Dike playing for the men's team.....

[SHODAN]

Sunderland have offered Roy Keane the managers job.

Well that'll be a ****ing disaster.

[bigwheel]

Sunderland have offered Roy Keane the managers job.

Mad that. Must be quite a few years since he was a head coach ….

[Scorrie]

Sunderland have offered Roy Keane the managers job.

That’s a pity. I like him as a pundit

[JimBHibees]

Sunderland have offered Roy Keane the managers job.

Seems a very strange one given his managerial record

[Silky]

Played for the national side a few times - my wife yelled at me for saying that Megan Rapinoe would be thrilled there was a Dike playing for the men's team.....

Sounds like that went down well!

[Smartie]

Seems a very strange one given his managerial record

He does have a past promotion with them on his CV.

The biggest issue with Keane, I'd have thought, would have been that he hasn't had the number 1 job anywhere for a while.

That and the fact that he's mental.

[Billy Whizz]

Steve Bruce appointment West Brom Manager tonight

[J-C]

Steve Bruce appointment West Brom Manager tonight


So much for Newcastle being his last job.

Bruce said: "I think this might be my last job.
"It's not just about me; it's taken its toll on my whole family because they are all Geordies and I can't ignore that.

[Callum_62]

So much for Newcastle being his last job.

Bruce said: "I think this might be my last job.
"It's not just about me; it's taken its toll on my whole family because they are all Geordies and I can't ignore that.Man changes mind shocker

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[JimBHibees]

So much for Newcastle being his last job.

Bruce said: "I think this might be my last job.
"It's not just about me; it's taken its toll on my whole family because they are all Geordies and I can't ignore that.

Key word being might. :greengrin

No doubt the way he was treated at Newcastle will have made him consider his future but once a new job comes around it is amazing how much you spdont want to be watching daytime tv.

Quite like him and think he will do well at that level.

[JimBHibees]

He does have a past promotion with them on his CV.

The biggest issue with Keane, I'd have thought, would have been that he hasn't had the number 1 job anywhere for a while.

That and the fact that he's mental.

Completely forgotten he had managed there before

Will be interesting who he takes as his assistant as will need someone less intense with a bit of humour :greengrin

[J-C]

Man changes mind shocker

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Allowed to change his mind but the way he spoke when he left I didn't expect his to take up a jobs quite so soon.

[J-C]

Key word being might. :greengrin

No doubt the way he was treated at Newcastle will have made him consider his future but once a new job comes around it is amazing how much you spdont want to be watching daytime tv.

Quite like him and think he will do well at that level.


I too like Bruce and felt he was hard done by at Newcastle, even though a Geordie himself, the fans never forgave him for managing Sunderland, they're a crackpot of a club and I'l be delighted if they go down.

[JimBHibees]

I too like Bruce and felt he was hard done by at Newcastle, even though a Geordie himself, the fans never forgave him for managing Sunderland, they're a crackpot of a club and I'l be delighted if they go down.

Agree unfortunately can't see it happening

[mjhibby]

I too like Bruce and felt he was hard done by at Newcastle, even though a Geordie himself, the fans never forgave him for managing Sunderland, they're a crackpot of a club and I'l be delighted if they go down.

The geordie fans don't deserve it. The club itself is a disgrace though. Bruce handled all the crap with great dignity and seems a decent bloke. He doesn't need to work as he's a wealthy man and got an eye-watering pay off. Just shows how much he'd miss the day to day involvement. Age is just a number as Hodgson has showed. Best option available.

[Billy Whizz]

Allan Johnson sacked at Queen of the South too, today!
Sandy Clark his assistant leaving too

[Allant1981]

Barry ferguson quit as alloa manager

[Highwayman]

Barry ferguson quit as alloa manager

Maybe he’s been tapped by Aberdeen

Sorry,I forgot.This is Valentines Day,not April Fools Day.

[Billy Whizz]

Barry ferguson quit as alloa manager

Jumped before he was pushed. Lost at home to the bottom of the League on Saturday

[Since452]

Maybe he’s been tapped by Aberdeen

Sorry,I forgot.This is Valentines Day,not April Fools Day.

Imagine hahahaha

[Highwayman]

Where has this Dutchman Marijn Beuker appointed at Queens Park appeared from.

[CropleyWasGod]

Where has this Dutchman Marijn Beuker appointed at Queens Park appeared from.

AZ for the last 15 years.

[Billy Whizz]

Where has this Dutchman Marijn Beuker appointed at Queens Park appeared from.

Think he’s a DOF, seems to have a good pedigree
They haven’t appointed a manger yet since Ellis left. John Potter is helping them out as a coach

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/36621/12483063/queens-park-appoint-marijn-beuker-as-director-of-football-from-az-alkmaar

[Highwayman]

Think he’s a DOF, seems to have a good pedigree
They haven’t appointed a manger yet since Ellis left. John Potter is helping them out as a coach

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/36621/12483063/queens-park-appoint-marijn-beuker-as-director-of-football-from-az-alkmaar

Thanks for that information.

Could be they’re looking to appoint a young manager and not one that has been round the block a few times.

[jacomo]

The geordie fans don't deserve it. The club itself is a disgrace though. Bruce handled all the crap with great dignity and seems a decent bloke. He doesn't need to work as he's a wealthy man and got an eye-watering pay off. Just shows how much he'd miss the day to day involvement. Age is just a number as Hodgson has showed. Best option available.


Geordie fans hardly covered themselves in glory during the Saudi takeover saga. Bragging about being the richest club in the world and dressing as MBS fan boys is very tasteless imo.

I heard a few of them justifying their behaviour by saying no fanbase had suffered more in recent years, which shows a severe lack of perspective as well.

[Carheenlea]

“If they're going to get a new manager in they're not going to get a manager as successful as myself in the door”

Derek Adams on the lookout for a new club - such a (self proclaimed) successful manager should be in with a shout for the Aberdeen vacancy?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60386972

[Jones28]

“If they're going to get a new manager in they're not going to get a manager as successful as myself in the door”

Derek Adams on the lookout for a new club - such a (self proclaimed) successful manager should be in with a shout for the Aberdeen vacancy?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60386972

In fairness, that quote is a bit out of context.


But he's an arse, so **** him. :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

EXCLUSIVE! Aberdeen make Jim Goodwin approach but St Mirren boot out request for talks #SMFC

https://t.co/4NtwT18Z3b https://t.co/8wdZNYlVj2

[JohnM1875]

EXCLUSIVE! Aberdeen make Jim Goodwin approach but St Mirren boot out request for talks #SMFC

https://t.co/4NtwT18Z3b https://t.co/8wdZNYlVj2

Honestly thought Ross would have been their main target.

[JamesHFC]

Honestly thought Ross would have been their main target.

Me too. Fan reaction perhaps made them think twice or they may genuinely just not rate him.

[EdinMike]

Not surprised, I do rate Goodwin myself. Would be interesting to see what he could do with a “budget”

[superfurryhibby]

Not surprised, I do rate Goodwin myself. Would be interesting to see what he could do with a “budget”

Me too. His St Mirren side was assembled on a shoestring budget (second lowest in the league 2019-20) and he seems to have them playing a decent brand of football.

[SHODAN]

EXCLUSIVE! Aberdeen make Jim Goodwin approach but St Mirren boot out request for talks #SMFC

https://t.co/4NtwT18Z3b https://t.co/8wdZNYlVj2

Goodwin would be who I'd want if I were Aberdeen.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Goodwin looks like he would front up to a player for a square go.

[Smartie]

I think Goodwin's an excellent manager.

From a Hibs perspective we could do without him going to Aberdeen.

Another risky experiment, similar to their own last appointment and our own current one, would be more likely to crash and burn.

A manager with a decent record at a lower level and deserving of an opportunity to work with greater resource might be a problem.

I'd have been very happy with Goodwin at Hibs - was between him and Neil for me, if we had to replace Ross.

Sunday was encouraging though, hopefully we'll kick on and improve from here.

[Since452]

You'd think £250k to release Goodwin wouldn't be an issue for Aberdeen but i was reading that they went over budget on players for this season and they have their stadium to build (think it's still going ahead). I like Goodwin though. Wouldn't have been disappointed if we'd gone for him.

[hibbyfraelibby]

You'd think £250k to release Goodwin wouldn't be an issue for Aberdeen but i was reading that they went over budget on players for this season and they have their stadium to build (think it's still going ahead). I like Goodwin though. Wouldn't have been disappointed if we'd gone for him.
Cormack's family trust does have the cash to splash some seem to think. He's paid off McInnes and now Glass and his coaching team and needs to pay compo to another team to snaffle their manager. He's blown a full season's worthof football budget on one job and cannot afford to burn cash in the short to medium term. Sheepies about to learn about living within his means and the long slow rebuild, probably starting in the Championship.

[Jim44]

Derek Adams sacked by Bradford after a few months. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

[flash]

Goodwin and Aberdeen now looking very likely.
I wouldn't want him here so can imagine a few of the natives getting a bit restless up there.

[Scorrie]

I think Goodwin is a decent coach. Wouldn’t have minded him at Hibs

[bigwheel]

I think Goodwin is a decent coach. Wouldn’t have minded him at Hibs

Like him too - think he’ll do well. Mind you , think Ross would do better .

[flash]

He was getting pelters from the St Mirren fans as recently as January after they went 11 games without a win - not the first such run under him.

He is simply flavour of the month because they are on a decent run just now. I know they beat us recently but it's not as if they played us off the park or anything.

You never know how somebody will do at a new club but he wouldn't be for me.

[Since452]

Ross would be the cheap logical option. Goodwin would be decent in my opinion but Aberdeen fans think they can do better than both by the looks of it.

[cannastar]

goodwin should take time to think here as glass got very little time and has been disposed of too quickly in my opinion. mcinnes fair enough probably had taken them as far as he cpuld have. think brown has been a mistake there loved him at hibs and scotland hated him at celtic but admired him but this year at aberdeen he has been hit and miss some of the younger guys in particular have been flying past him. he is no longer able to dominate manipulate in all the games like he was used to doing. think if goodwin does go there thatll be it for scott and he will be coaching as opposed to playing.

[Highwayman]

There was a guy on the radio this morning who runs an Aberdeen podcast.
He was somewhat lukewarm (to say the least) about the possible appointment of the likes of Jim Goodwin or Jack Ross.
His preference was for Aberdeen to look abroad and he named two Dutch managers who are currently managing in the Netherlands.My knowledge of Dutch football is non existent,and I didn’t have a clue who he was referring to.
The sheep fans are currently restless and are looking for Dave Cormack to produce some magic from his big hat(I assume he has a big hat to fit his big head).
I may have missed it but I’m surprised Paul Hartley hasn’t been named as a contender.
Any reason for this omission?

[A Hi-Bee]

There was a guy on the radio this morning who runs an Aberdeen podcast.
He was somewhat lukewarm (to say the least) about the possible appointment of the likes of Jim Goodwin or Jack Ross.
His preference was for Aberdeen to look abroad and he named two Dutch managers who are currently managing in the Netherlands.My knowledge of Dutch football is non existent,and I didn’t have a clue who he was referring to.
The sheep fans are currently restless and are looking for Dave Cormack to produce some magic from his big hat(I assume he has a big hat to fit his big head).
I may have missed it but I’m surprised Paul Hartley hasn’t been named as a contender.
Any reason for this omission?

Harry Vandershepherd is in the frame.
:thumbsup:

[Stevie Reid]

I think Goodwin's an excellent manager.

From a Hibs perspective we could do without him going to Aberdeen.

Another risky experiment, similar to their own last appointment and our own current one, would be more likely to crash and burn.

A manager with a decent record at a lower level and deserving of an opportunity to work with greater resource might be a problem.

I'd have been very happy with Goodwin at Hibs - was between him and Neil for me, if we had to replace Ross.

Sunday was encouraging though, hopefully we'll kick on and improve from here.

Agree with this. Goodwin is only 40 as well, which is easy to forget. Good experience and a pretty impressive record, thus far.

Would rather he didn’t go to Aberdeen.

[Stevie Reid]

Goodwin looks like he would front up to a player for a square go.

I actually don’t get that vibe from him as a manager at all. Seems really measured, especially compared to the type of player that he was.

Always speaks well after games, and usually gives a very fair assessment of what he’s seen. Doesn’t seem combustible at all.

[Heisenberg]

Mcpake leaves Dundee. Another possibility for Jack Ross?

[Oscar T Grouch]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60152312

Sacked. Nae real surprise, they are in a precarious position with St Johnstones slight turnaround in fortunes.

[Since452]

Mcpake leaves Dundee. Another possibility for Jack Ross?


Surely he'll get the Aberdeen or Dundee job. Dundee would be a good shout for him. Would much prefer him to go there than the sheep.

[Billy Whizz]

Mcpake leaves Dundee. Another possibility for Jack Ross?

Must admit even though they weren’t on a great run, didn’t see this coming

[Coco Bryce]

Odd timing. McPake has won his last two game and still been punted.

Someone must have become available...Derek Adams maybe? Stuart Baxter?

[JamesHFC]

Surely he'll get the Aberdeen or Dundee job. Dundee would be a good shout for him. Would much prefer him to go there than the sheep.

Dundee probably a stick on to get relegated. He would either be out of another job or in the Scottish Championship next season.

[Jones28]

Mcpake leaves Dundee. Another possibility for Jack Ross?

A bit shocked at that. They'd had some stinkers but he deserved the chance to keep them in the division.

[EdinMike]

Odd timing, probably certain for the automatic drop now.

[Stevie Reid]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60152312

Sacked. Nae real surprise, they are in a precarious position with St Johnstones slight turnaround in fortunes.

I’m surprised. Two good away wins in their last two games, and probably as high as they can realistically expect to be in the league at the moment.

Seems very harsh.

[Hermit Crab]

Won away at hearts and negotiated a tricky tie away to Peterhead to get into the Quarter finals of the cup. Reckon they've been a bit hasty eh.

[Just_Jimmy]

I always find it hilarious when fans of other teams (us included) are quick to say someone deserves longer, or they're surprised someone has been sacked, when if it was their Club they'd be screaming for the guy to punted.

There's always the odd exception or basketcase club, but Dundee and McPake ain't it.

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[Del Boy]

If Dundee appoint even a half decent manager they’ll stay up now (albeit maybe by winning play off), McPake was a brutal manager and a flukey win v hearts and then the mighty Peterhead doesn’t cover the fact they’ve had a shocking season.

[JimBHibees]

I’m surprised. Two good away wins in their last two games, and probably as high as they can realistically expect to be in the league at the moment.

Seems very harsh.

I agree. Think he has done ok all things considered. Not sure of Dundees expectations

[SHODAN]

McPake got Dundee promoted after two seasons (something neither us nor United managed) and they've picked up a bit of form.

Their board have previous for bizarre decisions though - I mind last time when they sacked McIntyre there was a big statement about "only appointing a manager who has a minimum win rate in the Scottish top tier" or something similar, then hiring... James McPake.

[Since452]

I work in Dundee and the Dundee boys are absolutely delighted he's away. It's definitely what the fans wanted.

[SHODAN]

Isn't Jack Ross a boyhood Dundee fan?

[H18 SFR]

Isn't Jack Ross a boyhood Dundee fan?

Camelon fan.

[SHODAN]

Camelon fan.

Definitely Dundee - found the link. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/survival-fittest-jack-ross-plots-st-mirrens-escape-1457908

[Billy Whizz]

Is Gordon Strachan still involved with Dundee?

[stantonhibby]

Maybe they want JR before St Mirren go for him to replace Goodwin.....if thats how it pans out.

[flash]

Anyone who watched Dundee on Monday night will know why he has been sacked.

[S4uzee]

New manager bounce for Aberdeen and Dundee…. Wonder who they both play in the next few weeks

[Malthibby]

New manager bounce for Aberdeen and Dundee…. Wonder who they both play in the next few weeks

Didn't see much Dons bounce last night.....

[Billy Whizz]

Sounds like they have someone in the wings waiting to be announced

[Tarrahib]

Sounds like they have someone in the wings waiting to be announced
Maybe Barry back pass or Derick Adams?

[ian cruise]

Definitely silly season with the Scottish clubs managerial merry-go-round, maybe it's fortunate we made our decision when we did rather than getting caught in the melee.

I'm still convinced Jack Ross will end up at Queens Park. Not sure why he isn't there already, maybe taking a bit of time to himself before starting? I think he'd revel in the challenge more than a Dundee or an Aberdeen and he's been at St Mirren before, he's not going to grow his reputation there any a second time around.

[Jim44]

Anyone who watched Dundee on Monday night will know why he has been sacked.

Well most of us didn’t so tell us why. A 3-0 win, albeit against weaker opposition is not too bad. They recently beat Hearts as well. Not disagreeing with you by the way.

[Hiber-nation]

Sounds like they have someone in the wings waiting to be announced

Mark McGhee is the rumour.

[Billy Whizz]

Mark McGhee is the rumour.
Think he’s still got a 6 game touchline ban, would be crazy to appt him to sit in the stand

[Iain G]

Mark McGhee is the rumour.

That would be a terrible appointment!

[Jones28]

Mark McGhee is the rumour.

Right, relegation for Dundee then.

[Hiber-nation]

Think he’s still got a 6 game touchline ban, would be crazy to appt him to sit in the stand

Saw it on the McBookie Twitter page. Strange one right enough. Might be a load of pish.

[Billy Whizz]

Saw it on the McBookie Twitter page. Strange one right enough. Might be a load of pish.

He has strong links to Strachan, so maybe something on it, but he’ll someone on the touchline as well

[flash]

Well most of us didn’t so tell us why. A 3-0 win, albeit against weaker opposition is not too bad. They recently beat Hearts as well. Not disagreeing with you by the way.

They were awful Jim and could easily have conceded 3 or 4 including a cast iron penalty.

[Lago]

Mcpake leaves Dundee. Another possibility for Jack Ross?
Another one bites the dust 💥

[The 90+2]

Jack's been offered the job. He's a fan of them. Lives miles away mind you.

[PatHead]

Definitely silly season with the Scottish clubs managerial merry-go-round, maybe it's fortunate we made our decision when we did rather than getting caught in the melee.

I'm still convinced Jack Ross will end up at Queens Park. Not sure why he isn't there already, maybe taking a bit of time to himself before starting? I think he'd revel in the challenge more than a Dundee or an Aberdeen and he's been at St Mirren before, he's not going to grow his reputation there any a second time around.

Definitely not going to Queens Park.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jack Ross would seem the obvious appointment for Dundee.

No chance he’s getting the Aberdeen job imo. If he’s a Dundee fan as well then I’d think that makes it even more likely.

Probably about the highest level he’ll get up here just now.

[Lago]

Jack's been offered the job. He's a fan of them. Lives miles away mind you.
Ponteland to Dundee, no way he would be doing a daily commute.

[He's here!]

I work in Dundee and the Dundee boys are absolutely delighted he's away. It's definitely what the fans wanted.

What do Dundee fans expect? They've been a yo-yo club since the 1970s and I tend to see them as one of the most depressing teams in the country to support. Once one of the bigger Scottish teams, their fans have had to make do with exceptionally slim pickings down the years. There was an insane spell when they signed Ravanelli and Caniggia but the subsequent plunge into administration seemed nailed on as a result of such bampot financial mismanagement.

I retain, though, an everlasting soft spot for them thanks to Albert Kidd's efforts.

McPake was a surprise appointment but he took them up when they weren't really good enough to go up IMHO and his sacking seems harsh.

[He's here!]

Definitely silly season with the Scottish clubs managerial merry-go-round, maybe it's fortunate we made our decision when we did rather than getting caught in the melee.

I'm still convinced Jack Ross will end up at Queens Park. Not sure why he isn't there already, maybe taking a bit of time to himself before starting? I think he'd revel in the challenge more than a Dundee or an Aberdeen and he's been at St Mirren before, he's not going to grow his reputation there any a second time around.

Interesting shout. Would be a different, but potentially more rewarding way to rebuild his creds.

[JamesHFC]

Ponteland to Dundee, no way he would be doing a daily commute.

Yet he’s apparently interested in the Aberdeen job which is even further north.

[bigwheel]

Yet he’s apparently interested in the Aberdeen job which is even further north.

He’s interested in working abroad too - I can’t imagine Dundee would be too far away for him …

[Northernhibee]

McPake’s recruitment has been mental, he must have one of the oldest squads in the league and this winter he added Niall McGinn and reportedly was interested in Darren McGregor. Add in players like Cummings and Griffiths who weren’t close to worth the hassle too.

It’s almost like all their scouting was done on Football Manager 2016. They’ve got a big rebuilding job very soon with little sell on value of players.

[Since452]

McPake’s recruitment has been mental, he must have one of the oldest squads in the league and this winter he added Niall McGinn and reportedly was interested in Darren McGregor. Add in players like Cummings and Griffiths who weren’t close to worth the hassle too.

It’s almost like all their scouting was done on Football Manager 2016. They’ve got a big rebuilding job very soon with little sell on value of players.

Charlie Adam too. Like you say, it's a massive rebuilding job for the next guy. Good challenge though. Dundee have a very big lapsed fanbase in the city to tap in to. If they get it right it could be a good place to be.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Yet he’s apparently interested in the Aberdeen job which is even further north.

Is he? When did he actually say that?

[Since452]

The gossip at work is that Ross doesn't want the Dundee job as he's being interviewed for the Aberdeen one. They are now going to turn their attention to Mark McGhee.

[He's here!]

McGhee to be appointed today with Simon Rusk as assistant.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/3020637/dundee-mark-mcghee-simon-rusk/

[JimBHibees]

McGhee to be appointed today with Simon Rusk as assistant.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/3020637/dundee-mark-mcghee-simon-rusk/

On the face of it change for change sake. When has McGhee last done a decent job anywhere.

[He's here!]

On the face of it change for change sake. When has McGhee last done a decent job anywhere.

Indeed. I'm guessing maybe Strachan had a hand in this?

[04Sauzee]

Had to make sure it wasn't a spoof account 😁


We are delighted to announce that Mark McGhee has today been appointed manager of the club.

He arrives at the club with Simon Rusk who will join Dave Mackay is assisting Mark #thedee

➡️ https://t.co/bUsMtod66p https://t.co/UM5n3bMsRG

[Heisenberg]

Appointing a manager to save you from relegation when he’s got a ban for 50% of your remaining matches is certainly an interesting strategy.

[He's here!]

Charlie Adam too. Like you say, it's a massive rebuilding job for the next guy. Good challenge though. Dundee have a very big lapsed fanbase in the city to tap in to. If they get it right it could be a good place to be.

Is this really the case any more? Sure, Dundee were for many years the 'big' club in the city but their last period of sustained success was in the 1960s and they haven't won a major trophy for half a century (last time they won the Scottish Cup was in 1910). For as long as I can remember they have continually failed to 'get it right' and from the 80s lived in United's shadow. I imagine a lot of younger fans would naturally have opted for United as their club of choice during that time and the clubs are now largely equal in terms of support.

[cannastar]

i suppose the be all and end all is to remain in the spl and dundee obviously think mcghee can provide the best chance of survival a bit like sam allardyce in the past in epl.

[Northernhibee]

Appointing a manager to save you from relegation when he’s got a ban for 50% of your remaining matches is certainly an interesting strategy.

In the case of McGhee, having him away from the touchline for as long as possible might be a brilliant strategy :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

In the case of McGhee, having him away from the touchline for as long as possible might be a brilliant strategy :greengrin

Just keep him well away from the fans in the stand, as has history!

[SHODAN]

Is this really the case any more? Sure, Dundee were for many years the 'big' club in the city but their last period of sustained success was in the 1960s and they haven't won a major trophy for half a century (last time they won the Scottish Cup was in 1910). For as long as I can remember they have continually failed to 'get it right' and from the 80s lived in United's shadow. I imagine a lot of younger fans would naturally have opted for United as their club of choice during that time and the clubs are now largely equal in terms of support.

If they can time a period of relative success with the move to the new stadium they'll pick up some support.

Growing up in Carnoustie I knew a few more United fans than Dundee but not by a lot.

[flash]

An incredible appointment particularly when you take the 6 match ban into account.

[Since452]

The news has gone down really well on Dundee Twitter

[Since452]

Is this really the case any more? Sure, Dundee were for many years the 'big' club in the city but their last period of sustained success was in the 1960s and they haven't won a major trophy for half a century (last time they won the Scottish Cup was in 1910). For as long as I can remember they have continually failed to 'get it right' and from the 80s lived in United's shadow. I imagine a lot of younger fans would naturally have opted for United as their club of choice during that time and the clubs are now largely equal in terms of support.

Worked in Dundee for years and i'd say the majority supported Dundee but United have more followers in the surrounding areas, Fife etc. Just in my experience mind.

[Smartie]

Surely a touch of the Butcher about this?

McPake, a young manager, appeared to be pals with a lot of the players. New guy coming in appears to be a bit more "old school".

Whilst frustrated fans often demand that ***** be kicked, it's not often the right answer.

Chuck in the fact that he's done nothing of note for a while, the touchline ban and the decent results in their last 2 games - this just comes across as a move that is plain odd.

[jacomo]

On the face of it change for change sake. When has McGhee last done a decent job anywhere.


His career has definitely not been in an upward direction lately. Short term stints around the English non league.

I suppose he might know a player or two who could do a job for them, but the transfer window is shut so that’s not a lot of help right now.

I’d be surprised if this goes well.

[Lago]

An incredible appointment particularly when you take the 6 match ban into account.
I'm supprised, not sure what the benefits are for Dundee.

[weecounty hibby]

I've thought about that since it was announced and I cannot see a single positive thing about it. An astonishing appointment

[Just_Jimmy]

Got a whiff of when they appointed John Brown. Almost as mental.

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[HoboHarry]

WTF are the Dundee board thinking about? Talk about a bygone age lol....

[JamesHFC]

Is he? When did he actually say that?

It’s been reported by a few that he wants the job. Pretty obvious that he would take it tbh.

[Oscar T Grouch]

An incredible appointment particularly when you take the 6 match ban into account.

That's what I don't get. You employ a manager at a crucial time of the season and your team is 2nd bottom. That manager then doesn't get to take the team for 6 matches and can have no input during those 6 matches as to what happens on the pitch?!? That is mental at the very least, grossly incompetent at worst. This decision by the Dundee board maybe what saves St Johnstone's bacon this season!

[He's here!]

I see the McGhee appointment is only until the end of the season. Still seems odd though. Does he strike anyone as the man to turn to when you're in a relegation battle?

I do remember Hearts fans salivating when it looked like he was going to join them but then (amusingly) opted to stay at Motherwell, so his stock was pretty high back then but he was awful at Aberdeen and as far as I'm aware has done next to nothing of note since then.

[hibbyfraelibby]

It’s been reported by a few that he wants the job. Pretty obvious that he would take it tbh.

Its been reported? Sources and validation? There are none. Its all been speculating journalists attrubuting to unattributable sources. He has never once been actuall quoted as saying he wanted the job.

[delbert]

I see the McGhee appointment is only until the end of the season. Still seems odd though. Does he strike anyone as the man to turn to when you're in a relegation battle?

I do remember Hearts fans salivating when it looked like he was going to join them but then (amusingly) opted to stay at Motherwell, so his stock was pretty high back then but he was awful at Aberdeen and as far as I'm aware has done next to nothing of note since then.

This is the Scottish equivalent of appointing Sam Allardyce to try to save you, both total dinosaurs but the difference being that at least Allardyce has some sort of track record in actually achieving it !

[MWHIBBIES]

This is the Scottish equivalent of appointing Sam Allardyce to try to save you, both total dinosaurs but the difference being that at least Allardyce has some sort of track record in actually achieving it !

Sam isn't a dinosaur. His teams are ugly, and scrappy, and he's a big bloke and a bit old fashioned in his nature, but he's certainly no dinosaur. His teams are fit, organised and committed. Basically everything a dinosaur like Terry butcher can't achieve

[Cat Stanton]

The news has gone down really well on Dundee Twitter

And on the fans' forum... : https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/28680-mcghee-and-rusk-confirmed/

[JamesHFC]

Its been reported? Sources and validation? There are none. Its all been speculating journalists attrubuting to unattributable sources. He has never once been actuall quoted as saying he wanted the job.

Credible journalists say he’s interested hence why I said he ‘apparently’ wants the job. That’s good enough for me. As I said, it seems pretty obvious that Jack would be interested in the job regardless of what anyone thinks or says.

[Del Boy]

Worked in Dundee for years and i'd say the majority supported Dundee but United have more followers in the surrounding areas, Fife etc. Just in my experience mind.

Yeah I think up until recently there were probably more Dundee fans in the city and more United fans from Angus, Fife etc. Not sure that’s still the case and I’d say it’s probably about equal Utd/Dundee in the city - if not more Utd. Unfortunately like everywhere in Scotland there is also a large percentage of glory hunting bigots who impact both club’s potential support.

[Since452]

And on the fans' forum... : https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/28680-mcghee-and-rusk-confirmed/

Ouch. It really is a bizarre appointment. Mates with Strachan maybe?

[The 90+2]

Ouch. It really is a bizarre appointment. Mates with Strachan maybe?


WGS got him the job. Ross apparently turned them down.

[J-C]

WGS got him the job. Ross apparently turned them down.


Was Strachan's assistant in the Scotland set up, jobs for the boys all the way.

[The 90+2]

Was Strachan's assistant in the Scotland set up, jobs for the boys all the way.


Played for Aberdeen together too and it's no secret they are best mates.
Makes it more strange that Strachan is still employed by Celtic while choosing the Dundee manager :greengrin

[He's here!]

Ouch. It really is a bizarre appointment. Mates with Strachan maybe?

He says in his interview today that Strachan 'was batting for him' so clearly no secret that's what swung him the job.

[Jim44]

WGS got him the job. Ross apparently turned them down.

I heard he turned down the Killie job as well. Maybe fancies the Aberdeen job.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Bodo/Glimt manager has apparently turned Aberdeen down.

[SHODAN]

The Bodo/Glimt manager has apparently turned Aberdeen down.

Weren't we briefly linked with him too?

[Aldo]

Mark McGhee new Dundee manager?? When did he last manage a club??


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Weren't we briefly linked with him too?

:agree:

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/1885Ben/status/1494365205870088197?t=XnIiZSU6IFYiO2WrEz894g&s=08

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[Just_Jimmy]

https://twitter.com/1885Ben/status/1494365205870088197?t=XnIiZSU6IFYiO2WrEz894g&s=08

[emoji23]

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[Unseen work]

Scott burns reporting that Aberdeen will announce their manager tomorrow.

Ross and Goodwin front runners.

[jacomo]

https://twitter.com/1885Ben/status/1494365205870088197?t=XnIiZSU6IFYiO2WrEz894g&s=08

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Looks like he just rolled in after a long lunch.

[SteveHFC]

Scott burns reporting that Aberdeen will announce their manager tomorrow.

Ross and Goodwin front runners.

Goodwin to Aberdeen and Ross back to Saints is my bet.

[Heisenberg]

Jim Goodwin deal close to take him to Aberdeen apparently.

https://twitter.com/mcgowan_stephen/status/1494619273284788224?s=21

[heretoday]

Ouch. It really is a bizarre appointment. Mates with Strachan maybe?

That's what it's all about.

[A Hi-Bee]

Goodwin to Aberdeen and Ross back to Saints is my bet.
:aok:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jim Goodwin deal close to take him to Aberdeen apparently.

https://twitter.com/mcgowan_stephen/status/1494619273284788224?s=21

Was the obvious choice.

Not sure he’s that great tbh. He’s on a decent run just now but he’s also been on smelling runs as well.

Wouldn’t be too fussed either way if I was an Aberdeen fan although having seen claims they approached the Bodo/Glimt manager I couldn’t help but feel this was a huge drop in standard.

[superfurryhibby]

Was the obvious choice.

Not sure he’s that great tbh. He’s on a decent run just now but he’s also been on smelling runs as well.

Wouldn’t be too fussed either way if I was an Aberdeen fan although having seen claims they approached the Bodo/Glimt manager I couldn’t help but feel this was a huge drop in standard.

Managing well enough on what is possibly the lowest budget in the SPFL though?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Managing well enough on what is possibly the lowest budget in the SPFL though?

You think? I’d have thought St Mirren would have had a bigger budget than Livi, RC and St J for starters?

If that’s the case then he probably is doing a better job than I’m giving him credit for.

[superfurryhibby]

You think? I’d have thought St Mirren would have had a bigger budget than Livi, RC and St J for starters?

If that’s the case then he probably is doing a better job than I’m giving him credit for.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/547202/average-annual-first-team-player-salaray-football-clubs-scottish-premiership/

From 2019-20, second lowest, after Livi.

Does give a bit more context to how effectively Goodwin has managed the club.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/547202/average-annual-first-team-player-salaray-football-clubs-scottish-premiership/

From 2019-20, second lowest, after Livi.

Does give a bit more context to how effectively Goodwin has managed the club.

:aok:

Surprised at that!

[HH81]

Amazing how some of these clubs compete.

Conference clubs in England will be paying more.

[J-C]

Amazing how some of these clubs compete.

Conference clubs in England will be paying more.

That's why they rely heavily on cup runs, selling off their better players and home games against th OF.

[ian cruise]

Amazing how some of these clubs compete.

Conference clubs in England will be paying more.

Benefit from their small squads being close-knit and not chopping an changing, opponents viewing them as less of a threat so able to surprise them and/or grind out a result. Less expectations from fans for amazing football, for them a win is a win and when they need to they can play a young player with no expectations, meaning they've more freedom to play their natural game. We were the same in the when Brown, Thomson, etc. came through.

Problem is, lose a key player, or that element of being underestimated and they're snookered, just a St Johnstone have been this season.

[04Sauzee]

St Mirren Football Club can confirm that we have been approached by Aberdeen FC to speak to manager Jim Goodwin in relation to their managerial vacancy.

[04Sauzee]

Does a team normally issue a statement to let their fans know they are in talks with a named manager?

Club Statement | Managerial Update

🔴 The Club confirms it has been given permission by St Mirren FC to talk to its manager, Jim Goodwin, regarding the vacant managerial position.

🔴 We will make a formal announcement when the process to secure a new manager is complete. https://t.co/HA6hF9UJqr

[Mike Berry]

Well most of us didn’t so tell us why. A 3-0 win, albeit against weaker opposition is not too bad. They recently beat Hearts as well. Not disagreeing with you by the way.3-0 really flattered them. They were awful.

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[JimBHibees]

Does a team normally issue a statement to let their fans know they are in talks with a named manager?

Club Statement | Managerial Update

🔴 The Club confirms it has been given permission by St Mirren FC to talk to its manager, Jim Goodwin, regarding the vacant managerial position.

🔴 We will make a formal announcement when the process to secure a new manager is complete. https://t.co/HA6hF9UJqr

Must be a done deal if they are putting that out.

[Stevie Reid]

Think Goodwin will be a good appointment for Aberdeen. I’d ideally have liked him to still potentially be an option for us going forward, but I’d rather they appointed him than JR.

[Stevie Reid]

Was the obvious choice.

Not sure he’s that great tbh. He’s on a decent run just now but he’s also been on smelling runs as well.

Wouldn’t be too fussed either way if I was an Aberdeen fan although having seen claims they approached the Bodo/Glimt manager I couldn’t help but feel this was a huge drop in standard.

Every manager in the world goes on good runs and bad runs, it’s just how it works. They key is having many more good than bad.

Management is unbelievably tough these days, as the press and social media constantly remind the world of your latest failure, and that’s what defines you - even if you’ve a really good track record.

McInnes at Aberdeen was unbelievably consistent, Dons fans would have given up limbs to have the nine years that they had before he was appointed.

On top of that, he turned down approaches from the likes of Rangers and Sunderland. Yet one bad run and he was out the door - even though they were nine points clear in 4th at the time.

Fans often bemoan a lack of loyalty in football, but they simultaneously create a climate that ensures that any manager performing well will immediately jump at any better offer that comes along.

Aberdeen will find that out, and I suspect we will too.

[Since452]

Think Goodwin will be a good appointment for Aberdeen. I’d ideally have liked him to still potentially be an option for us going forward, but I’d rather they appointed him than JR.

I'm delighted they've gone for Goodwin insted of Ross. I think Goodwin will do well for them and i rate him but i think Jack would have done better.

[bigwheel]

I'm delighted they've gone for Goodwin insted of Ross. I think Goodwin will do well for them and i rate him but i think Jack would have done better.

Agree with that. Goodwin decent though - will do well

[The 90+2]

Aberdeen are daft going for Goodwin instead. It smacks flavor of the month and little else.

[jacomo]

Think Goodwin will be a good appointment for Aberdeen. I’d ideally have liked him to still potentially be an option for us going forward, but I’d rather they appointed him than JR.


Jack might prove a thorn in our side at St Mirren too!

[Stevie Reid]

I'm delighted they've gone for Goodwin insted of Ross. I think Goodwin will do well for them and i rate him but i think Jack would have done better.

I agree.

[superfurryhibby]

Jack might prove a thorn in our side at St Mirren too!

That would seem like a logical next step for Ross.

[Since452]

Jack might prove a thorn in our side at St Mirren too!

Goodwin has left a good side. Good solid foundations for the next guy. Ross might not want to go back the way but would be an excellent job to get back into it. An outside bet for a European place. He'd be daft not to take it if it was on offer.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Mark McGhee new Dundee manager?? When did he last manage a club??


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BEFORE he got the Aberdeen gig😉

[Paulie Walnuts]

Aberdeen are daft going for Goodwin instead. It smacks flavor of the month and little else.

Depends how you look at it.

They sacked a highly successful manager in McInnes with a much better track record than Jack Ross because their fans thought his football was crap and they’d got bored of it.

To then go and get a manager who was heavily criticised for his style of play at his last club but without such a good track record wouldn’t have went down very well with their fans I wouldn’t think. Rightly or wrongly, they’d just look at him as a lesser McInnes.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm delighted they've gone for Goodwin insted of Ross. I think Goodwin will do well for them and i rate him but i think Jack would have done better.

Being available, and interested in the job, but them going for Goodwin is another blow for Ross IMO. I thought he was a cert for it, must be a cert for St Mirren now though.

Don’t think he’ll get a bigger job than the ones he’s had in Scotland or England.

[Aldo]

BEFORE he got the Aberdeen gig[emoji6]

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[The 90+2]

Depends how you look at it.

They sacked a highly successful manager in McInnes with a much better track record than Jack Ross because their fans thought his football was crap and they’d got bored of it.

To then go and get a manager who was heavily criticised for his style of play at his last club but without such a good track record wouldn’t have went down very well with their fans I wouldn’t think. Rightly or wrongly, they’d just look at him as a lesser McInnes.

How has McIness got a much better track record? :confused:

[Paulie Walnuts]

How has McIness got a much better track record? :confused:

How does he not?

Ross finished 7th, 3rd then left us in 7th. He never won anything and has a lower PPG average by a decent bit and a lower win percentage by a decent bit compared to McInnes. His teams also had a better goal difference over his whole tenure than JR did at Hibs.. That’s despite the fact McInnes managed nearly 4 times the amount of games JR did.

The job McInnes done at Aberdeen and the job Ross done at Hibs aren’t even close. McInnes wins that hands down. His worst finish was 7th in a season where he was in the job a month. Other than that he never finished below 4th. He was even sacked in 4th if I remember correctly.

McInnes’ record beats JR in pretty much every measure I can think of and a lot of them fairly comfortably.

[JimBHibees]

How has McIness got a much better track record? :confused:

Much better league finishes over a decent number of years

[The 90+2]

How does he not?

Ross finished 7th, 3rd then left us in 7th. He never won anything and has a lower PPG average by a decent bit and a lower win percentage by a decent bit compared to McInnes. His teams also had a better goal difference over his whole tenure than JR did at Hibs.. That’s despite the fact McInnes managed nearly 4 times the amount of games JR did.

The job McInnes done at Aberdeen and the job Ross done at Hibs aren’t even close. McInnes wins that hands down. His worst finish was 7th in a season where he was in the job a month. Other than that he never finished below 4th. He was even sacked in 4th if I remember correctly.

McInnes’ record beats JR in pretty much every measure I can think of and a lot of them fairly comfortably.

McIness was in the job a lot longer though.

Ross got Alloa then St Mirren promoted, took over us bottom of the table and eventually got us third and numerous cup semi finals and final.

The last season they where both managers of the sides JR had us finish 3rd, McIness was sacked.

I would much rather employ Ross than DM. It's why DM is now at Kilmarnock and Ross is turning jobs down in the league above.

[The 90+2]

Much better league finishes over a decent number of years

He was in the league a lot longer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

McIness was in the job a lot longer though.

Ross got Alloa then St Mirren promoted, took over us bottom of the table and eventually got us third and numerous cup semi finals and final.

The last season they where both managers of the sides JR had us finish 3rd, McIness was sacked.

I would much rather employ Ross than DM. It's why DM is now at Kilmarnock and Ross is turning jobs down in the league above.

Doing it over 7 seasons or whatever it was for DM just makes it even more impressive. Ross didn’t manage to maintain his good form for more than 1.

I’m not sure Aberdeen fans would be harking back to jobs he done in the lower leagues 5 years ago or the fact he got to cup semis/finals and lost them. They’d be looking at the most recent job he done at Hibs, a similar sized job to theirs, the fact that a lot of fans hated his style of football and comparing it to McInnes at them. He doesn’t come out favourably in that regard.

[heretoday]

The managerial merry-go-round chunters on. What unimaginative appointments by the famous Aberdeen FC and by Dundee too.

At least we went outside the envelope a bit.

[The 90+2]

Doing it over 7 seasons or whatever it was for DM just makes it even more impressive. Ross didn’t manage to maintain his good form for more than 1.

I’m not sure Aberdeen fans would be harking back to jobs he done in the lower leagues 5 years ago or the fact he got to cup semis/finals and lost them. They’d be looking at the most recent job he done at Hibs, a similar sized job to theirs, the fact that a lot of fans hated his style of football and comparing it to McInnes at them. He doesn’t come out favourably in that regard.

He took Alloa from L1 to top of the Championship, took over St Mirren in the Championship relegation spot and then won the league with them.

Ross had Hibs easily above Aberdeen, even at the time he got sacked ahead of them and in another final. They also sacked DM far too soon.
Goodwin has been no bad for a couple of months, is he an upgrade on DM or a better choice than Jack? I don't think so.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He took Alloa from L1 to top of the Championship, took over St Mirren in the Championship relegation spot and then won the league with them.

Ross had Hibs easily above Aberdeen, even at the time he got sacked ahead of them and in another final. They also sacked DM far too soon.
Goodwin has been no bad for a couple of months, is he an upgrade on DM or a better choice than Jack? I don't think so.

He did. That was a while ago though and he’s since been sacked from his last two jobs at clubs with much higher expectations than those two. Jobs that are a lot more similar to the Aberdeen job. Both times the fans of those teams thought his football was crap as well which is really what McInnes got sacked for.

I don’t think Goodwin is an upgrade on either of them either, I don’t think he’s anything special for them appointment wise. I don’t think JR would have been either though. If I was an Aberdeen fan I’d be not be massively excited whether it had been Goodwin or JR.

[zitelli62]

Jim goodwin will be a top class manager I personally think he will leave Aberdeen for a big job down south I think he will do really well there.

[The 90+2]

He did. That was a while ago though and he’s since been sacked from his last two jobs at clubs with much higher expectations than those two. Jobs that are a lot more similar to the Aberdeen job. Both times the fans of those teams thought his football was crap as well which is really what McInnes got sacked for.

I don’t think Goodwin is an upgrade on either of them either, I don’t think he’s anything special for them appointment wise. I don’t think JR would have been either though. If I was an Aberdeen fan I’d be not be massively excited whether it had been Goodwin or JR.


If you where an Aberdeen fan would you be happier with Goodwin, McIness, Ross or Maloney?

[Paulie Walnuts]

If you where an Aberdeen fan would you be happier with Goodwin, McIness, Ross or Maloney?

Maloney every day of the week for the exact same reasons I’m glad we have him at Hibs than any of the other 3.

[B.H.F.C]

If you where an Aberdeen fan would you be happier with Goodwin, McIness, Ross or Maloney?

They weren’t happy with McIness and didn’t seem particularly taken by the prospect of Ross or Goodwin. On the back of Glass, the probably wouldn’t be happy with a Maloney type appointment either.

Sheep are generally never happy.

[The 90+2]

Maloney every day of the week for the exact same reasons I’m glad we have him at Hibs than any of the other 3.


Fair enough. No idea how you get that conclusion but your opinion mate.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i think Jim Goodwin will do a decent job for them

[The 90+2]

They weren’t happy with McIness and didn’t seem particularly taken by the prospect of Ross or Goodwin. On the back of Glass, the probably wouldn’t be happy with a Maloney type appointment either.

Sheep are generally never happy.

I blame Prof. Wilmut, since he got involved they are all miserable clones of each other. :aok:

[HoboHarry]

They weren’t happy with McIness and didn’t seem particularly taken by the prospect of Ross or Goodwin. On the back of Glass, the probably wouldn’t be happy with a Maloney type appointment either.

Sheep are generally never happy.
Not surprised, Eberdeen is full of strange guys walking around with wellies and velcro gloves....

[Paulie Walnuts]

Fair enough. No idea how you get that conclusion but your opinion mate.

I wouldn’t want McInnes because his footballs dreadful although his record is generally very good - he was pretty much a guarantee for a top 4 finish. I wouldn’t want Ross because his footballs dreadful and his record is a good bit poorer than McInnes and he doesn’t come with nearly as much of a guarantee of top 4 and I’d rather have Maloney over Goodwin because I think he has the potential to be a really special manager with the introduction he’s had to his career after retirement.

Anyway, I’m happy enough with them getting Goodwin. If the rumours are to be believed that they wanted the Bodo/Glimt manager then we could have potentially had cause for concern.

[The 90+2]

I wouldn’t want McInnes because his footballs dreadful although his record is generally very good - he was pretty much a guarantee for a top 4 finish. I wouldn’t want Ross because his footballs dreadful and his record is a good bit poorer than McInnes and he doesn’t come with nearly as much of a guarantee of top 4 and I’d rather have Maloney over Goodwin because I think he has the potential to be a really special manager with the introduction he’s had to his career after retirement.


Fair play mate and let's hope you're right. :aok:

[The Modfather]

How does he not?

Ross finished 7th, 3rd then left us in 7th. He never won anything and has a lower PPG average by a decent bit and a lower win percentage by a decent bit compared to McInnes. His teams also had a better goal difference over his whole tenure than JR did at Hibs.. That’s despite the fact McInnes managed nearly 4 times the amount of games JR did.

The job McInnes done at Aberdeen and the job Ross done at Hibs aren’t even close. McInnes wins that hands down. His worst finish was 7th in a season where he was in the job a month. Other than that he never finished below 4th. He was even sacked in 4th if I remember correctly.

McInnes’ record beats JR in pretty much every measure I can think of and a lot of them fairly comfortably.

Mcinnes also won a league cup with Aberdeen. Although he should also have won more IMO albeit he was up against Rogers Celtc that won something like 10 trophies in a row for part of his time at Aberdeen.

I think both are good managers but safe pairs of hands. Generally do quite well, but nothing particular unique and the success they do have will often feel like a chore. Mcinnes has 5 years on Ross but it’s clear, to me anyway, Mcinnes has the better CV.

[The 90+2]

Mcinnes also won a league cup with Aberdeen. Although he should also have won more IMO albeit he was up against Rogers Celtc that won something like 10 trophies in a row for part of his time at Aberdeen.

I think both are good managers but safe pairs of hands. Generally do quite well, but nothing particular unique and the success they do have will often feel like a chore. Mcinnes has 5 years on Ross but it’s clear, to me anyway, Mcinnes has the better CV.


Lennon wipes the floor with any manager in the country CV wise. Doesn't mean he's the best mind you.

[The Modfather]

Lennon wipes the floor with any manager in the country CV wise. Doesn't mean he's the best mind you.

I thought the debate was a direct comparison between Mcinnes & Ross and not who the best manager in the country was.

[JimBHibees]

He was in the league a lot longer.

Ross had us 7th 3rd and 7th.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

The managerial merry-go-round chunters on. What unimaginative appointments by the famous Aberdeen FC and by Dundee too.

At least we went outside the envelope a bit.

Most of the Dee fans that I know are less than happy with McGhee getting the job. Comparing it to when McLeish got a second bite at the Scotland job from nowhere.

[Heisenberg]

St Mirren wanting to speak to Scott Brown about the managers job. Aberdeen apparently willing to let him go.

[Iain G]

Ross had us 7th 3rd and 7th.

Yeah it was really Boeing though...

[Jim44]

St Mirren wanting to speak to Scott Brown about the managers job. Aberdeen apparently willing to let him go.

Scott Brown to St Mirren? They’d go for him, before Jack Ross? Nah. I heard they had approached Jack Ross.

[The 90+2]

St Mirren wanting to speak to Scott Brown about the managers job. Aberdeen apparently willing to let him go.

No danger Brown will be offered a job in management ahead of Thommo.

[Heisenberg]

Scott Brown to St Mirren? They’d go for him, before Jack Ross? Nah. I heard they had approached Jack Ross.

Scott Burns saying they are interested in speaking to Brown about the job. They might want to speak to Ross too but maybe he’s not keen?

[Jones28]

St Mirren wanting to speak to Scott Brown about the managers job. Aberdeen apparently willing to let him go.

I would take that if I was him. Aberdeen on a downward spiral, no one wants to be in that position.

Hilarious if he gets a full time managers gig before Thomson 😆

[MWHIBBIES]

I would take that if I was him. Aberdeen on a downward spiral, no one wants to be in that position.

Hilarious if he gets a full time managers gig before Thomson 😆

Thomson is doing it the right way.

[JimBHibees]

Yeah it was really Boeing though...

Oh dear :greengrin

[Mike Berry]

Yeah it was really Boeing though...Special award for this one.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

St Mirren wanting to speak to Scott Brown about the managers job. Aberdeen apparently willing to let him go.

He starts every game for them. Surprised by that.

[Moulin Yarns]

Ross had us 7th 3rd and 7th.

And 5th when he left, now we are 7th 😉

[hibbyfraelibby]

Not surprised, Eberdeen is full of strange guys walking around with wellies and velcro gloves....

...and velcro kneepads

[Danderhall Hibs]

Is Callum Davidson not getting a shout for any of these jobs? Timing is everything eh?

[MWHIBBIES]

Is Callum Davidson not getting a shout for any of these jobs? Timing is everything eh?

Think its obvious now how lucky he was in the cup runs, and how dreadful he is over a 38 game season. Hes won 15 league games, out of 64.

[Since90+2]

Think its obvious now how lucky he was in the cup runs, and how dreadful he is over a 38 game season. Hes won 15 league games, out of 64.

You could get lucky winning a cup, you don't win 2 cups in the same season by being lucky.

[MWHIBBIES]

You could get lucky winning a cup, you don't win 2 cups in the same season by being lucky.

Do you not? He certainly did.

Hibs missing loads of chances in the league cup semi, goalie scoring last minute vs Rangers, St Mirren missing loads of chances Scottish cup semi, 2 penalty shootout wins on the way etc.

St Johnstone were crap. We have too high an opinion of them because we were their victims. The stars truely alligned for them in the cups. The chances the opposition missed against them on the way to winning those cups were unreal, like the net was protected by magic. He was never any kind of tactical genius.

[WeeRussell]

Do you not? He certainly did.

Hibs missing loads of chances in the league cup semi, goalie scoring last minute vs Rangers, St Mirren missing loads of chances Scottish cup semi, 2 penalty shootout wins on the way etc.

St Johnstone were crap. We have too high an opinion of them because we were their victims. The stars truely alligned for them in the cups. The chances the opposition missed against them on the way to winning those cups were unreal, like the net was protected by magic. He was never any kind of tactical genius.

Doesn’t almost every cup win, including our two most recent ones, have their fair share of riding luck/penalty shootouts etc?

I think Davidson and his team deserve a great deal of credit for what was an outstanding achievement.

[Since90+2]

Do you not? He certainly did.

Hibs missing loads of chances in the league cup semi, goalie scoring last minute vs Rangers, St Mirren missing loads of chances Scottish cup semi, 2 penalty shootout wins on the way etc.

St Johnstone were crap. We have too high an opinion of them because we were their victims. The stars truely alligned for them in the cups. The chances the opposition missed against them on the way to winning those cups were unreal, like the net was protected by magic. He was never any kind of tactical genius.

So because their goalie scored in the last minute against Rangers it means it's lucky? You do realise that they had to play the entire game up until that point. And if that was Hibs, we'd undoubtedly be saying it was an iconic moment on our way to winning the cup.

[CapitalGreen]

Do you not? He certainly did.

Hibs missing loads of chances in the league cup semi, goalie scoring last minute vs Rangers, St Mirren missing loads of chances Scottish cup semi, 2 penalty shootout wins on the way etc.

St Johnstone were crap. We have too high an opinion of them because we were their victims. The stars truely alligned for them in the cups. The chances the opposition missed against them on the way to winning those cups were unreal, like the net was protected by magic. He was never any kind of tactical genius.

Ah yes that famous lucky 3-0 win 🥴

[He's here!]

Ross had us 7th 3rd and 7th.

He only had from November to March in his first season and I think we were 6th before getting moved down due to the early finish to the league. Also I think we were 5th when he left.

Coupled with his cup record his stats overall were good.

[Jones28]

Thomson is doing it the right way.

Why is there a right way? It doesn’t matter if the manager gets results.

And Thomson’s a prick.

[WeeRussell]

Yeah it was really Boeing though...

Plane and simple.

[The Modfather]

Think its obvious now how lucky he was in the cup runs, and how dreadful he is over a 38 game season. Hes won 15 league games, out of 64.

Davidson may or may not be a good manager, but it’s churlish to attribute St Johnstone doing a cup double to luck. All cup runs have luck along the way but it’s possible to credit the unique achievement as well as question the league record. Although I imagine winning both cups will have had a sizeable impact on league performance last season, as we saw with Stubbs.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ah yes that famous lucky 3-0 win 🥴We did miss an absolute hatfull of chances early on, hitting the woodwork twice. Was that Davidsons tactics? We lost, fair and square, but it doesn't make St Johnstone world beaters. As I've said, the net was protected by magic in thier cup runs. The chances St Mirren missed were insane in the SC semi, then middleton scored a random free kick from 25 yards that the St Mirren goalie didn't even try for. More tactical genius there...not.


So because their goalie scored in the last minute against Rangers it means it's lucky? You do realise that they had to play the entire game up until that point. And if that was Hibs, we'd undoubtedly be saying it was an iconic moment on our way to winning the cup.

Yes, and they got absolutely battered for 120 minutes by a Rangers team that was beating everyone. Of course its an iconic moment. Lucky and iconic are not mutally exclusive.


Doesn’t almost every cup win, including our two most recent ones, have their fair share of riding luck/penalty shootouts etc?

I think Davidson and his team deserve a great deal of credit for what was an outstanding achievement.

Of course they do. Thats my point, he got very lucky. Over a season, that luck evens itself out and hes just a rubbish manager. 15 wins in 64 is absolutely dreadful. Will be sacked if Dundee get a few results (which is very unlikely, McGee is even worse)

[Moulin Yarns]

Do you not? He certainly did.

Hibs missing loads of chances in the league cup semi, goalie scoring last minute vs Rangers, St Mirren missing loads of chances Scottish cup semi, 2 penalty shootout wins on the way etc.

St Johnstone were crap. We have too high an opinion of them because we were their victims. The stars truely alligned for them in the cups. The chances the opposition missed against them on the way to winning those cups were unreal, like the net was protected by magic. He was never any kind of tactical genius.

Zander Clarke did not score against the Rangers!

[MWHIBBIES]

Zander Clarke did not score against the Rangers!

Right enough, it was going wide and went in off the defender right? or the striker? Nothing fortunate at all :greengrin

[Since90+2]

We did miss an absolute hatfull of chances early on, hitting the woodwork twice. Was that Davidsons tactics? We lost, fair and square, but it doesn't make St Johnstone world beaters. As I've said, the net was protected by magic in thier cup runs. The chances St Mirren missed were insane in the SC semi, then middleton scored a random free kick from 25 yards that the St Mirren goalie didn't even try for. More tactical genius there...not.



Yes, and they got absolutely battered for 120 minutes by a Rangers team that was beating everyone. Of course its an iconic moment. Lucky and iconic are not mutally exclusive.



Of course they do. Thats my point, he got very lucky. Over a season, that luck evens itself out and hes just a rubbish manager. 15 wins in 64 is absolutely dreadful. Will be sacked if Dundee get a few results (which is very unlikely, McGee is even worse)

So let me get this right, St Johnstone were lucky when pumping us 3-0 and also lucky when knocking out Rangers (the best Rangers team for atleast 10 years) at Ibrox on their way to doing something unheard of outside the old firm and winning both cups in the same season.

Nothing to do with them being an excellent cup team. All luck.

[MWHIBBIES]

So let me get this right, St Johnstone were lucky when pumping us 3-0 and also lucky when knocking out Rangers (the best Rangers team for atleast 10 years) at Ibrox on their way to doing something unheard of outside the old firm and winning both cups in the same season.

Nothing to do with them being an excellent cup team. All luck.

No, not all luck. Massive amounts of it.

They play the same teams in the cup as they do in the league. Why are they absolutely gash in the league? Why are they already out of this years Scottish cup to a part time side?

[Allant1981]

Goodwin confirmed this morning officially as aberdeen manager

[The Modfather]

No, not all luck. Massive amounts of it.

They play the same teams in the cup as they do in the league. Why are they absolutely gash in the league? Why are they already out of this years Scottish cup to a part time side?

Unlucky

[Since90+2]

Unlucky

Literally laughed out loud at this.

[JimBHibees]

So let me get this right, St Johnstone were lucky when pumping us 3-0 and also lucky when knocking out Rangers (the best Rangers team for atleast 10 years) at Ibrox on their way to doing something unheard of outside the old firm and winning both cups in the same season.

Nothing to do with them being an excellent cup team. All luck.

Clearly an excellent cup team as you say nothing lucky about a 3 0 hammering and a very comfortable cup final where we never laid a glove on them and missed a penalty. Only team to beat Rangers at Ibrox also. Got to remember they have lost their two best players and with their most creative out injured for the season however there is no getting away from it they have been poor this season. Davidson had them well organised last season and also very motivated which was a key difference in the final imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

Unlucky

Perhaps, yeah. Although luck isn't as impactful over 64 games as it is over 6.

[Unseen work]

Goodwin is a good appointment for them imo, think they’ll now be in for a really good shot of 4th this season as hell get them organised and showing a bit of passion.

Makes you wonder where we’ll sign players from now 😅 two I thought we’d be interested in Conor McCarthy and Conor Ronan will likely end up at Aberdeen now.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Goodwin is a good appointment for them imo, think they’ll now be in for a really good shot of 4th this season as hell get them organised and showing a bit of passion.

Makes you wonder where we’ll sign players from now 😅 two I thought we’d be interested in Conor McCarthy and Conor Ronan will likely end up at Aberdeen now.

And will Aberdeen still be interested in every player we look at?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Clearly an excellent cup team as you say nothing lucky about a 3 0 hammering and a very comfortable cup final where we never laid a glove on them and missed a penalty. Only team to beat Rangers at Ibrox also. Got to remember they have lost their two best players and with their most creative out injured for the season however there is no getting away from it they have been poor this season. Davidson had them well organised last season and also very motivated which was a key difference in the final imo.

They were fortunate in the semi - we had chances and didn’t take them. They took everyone of theirs.

[Smartie]

Of course St Johnstone carried a bit of luck along the way (as we did with our Scottish Cup win) but they were an excellent cup side who played to their strengths.

The reason they’re struggling this season is because they’ve toiled to adequately and immediately replace McCann and Kerr on their budget, which would be a tall order for any manager.

How many years are we down the line of trying to replace the McGinn midfield? Does the fact that this far we’ve struggled mean that all our managers have been crap?

[JimBHibees]

They were fortunate in the semi - we had chances and didn’t take them. They took everyone of theirs.

They did ride their luck first half but were 3 nil up after an hour and coasted it so difficult to say they weren't hugely comfortable winners.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He only had from November to March in his first season and I think we were 6th before getting moved down due to the early finish to the league. Also I think we were 5th when he left.

Coupled with his cup record his stats overall were good.

We were 8th im sure when he took over. We finished that season 7th despite him taking over in November. It was certainly an improvement from Hecky but nothing out of this world.

And we were 7th this season when he was binned. Ross had 1 good season, 1 average one and 1 poor one imo.

[Moulin Yarns]

We were 8th im sure when he took over. We finished that season 7th despite him taking over in November. It was certainly an improvement from Hecky but nothing out of this world.

And we were 7th this season when he was binned. Ross had 1 good season, 1 average one and 1 poor one imo.

We were 5th when Ross left. We have been 5th since December, only dropped to 7th after our visit to Ibrox on the 10th of February.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We were 5th when Ross left. We have been 5th since December, only dropped to 7th after our visit to Ibrox on the 10th of February.

Are you sure that’s not 5th when Maloney took over?

I’m fairly certain we were 7th when Ross got sacked but happy to stand corrected.

[Moulin Yarns]

Are you sure that’s not 5th when Maloney took over?

I’m fairly certain we were 7th when Ross got sacked but happy to stand corrected.

Apologies, yes we were 7th after defeat at livingston, sacked after that.

[04Sauzee]

Steven Naismith linked with the St Mirren post

[The 90+2]

Steven Naismith linked with the St Mirren post

I think Thommo will get it.

[04Sauzee]

Steven Naismith 'granted permission' by Hearts to speak with St Mirren over manager's role

https://t.co/Vtr5jPcfUh https://t.co/lS1un02JEC

[greenginger]

Steven Naismith 'granted permission' by Hearts to speak with St Mirren over manager's role

https://t.co/Vtr5jPcfUh https://t.co/lS1un02JEC

Or maybe diving coach :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Steven Naismith 'granted permission' by Hearts to speak with St Mirren over manager's role

https://t.co/Vtr5jPcfUh https://t.co/lS1un02JEC

If he gets the gig, they are at home to St Mirren on Saturday

[Allant1981]

Jack ross rejected the job offer at st mirren apparently

[hibbyfraelibby]

Jack ross rejected the job offer at st mirren apparently

Only after he knew he wasn't on the short list😉 Too far a commute anyhow.

He's also missed out on another former team as Brian Rice is appointed Alloa manager.

4 vacancies in one week and he's not been officially quoted for one of them. Tells you some thing. He's comfy on his gardening pay and a salary cut isn't on his radar.

[MWHIBBIES]

Only after he knew he wasn't on the short list😉 Too far a commute anyhow.

He's also missed out on another former team as Brian Rice is appointed Alloa manager.

4 vacancies in one week and he's not been officially quoted for one of them. Tells you some thing. He's comfy on his gardening pay and a salary cut isn't on his radar.

Or maybe those projects don't interest him?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Or maybe those projects don't interest him?

3 Premiership roles? Not interested?

There are 12 teams in the SPFL Premiership.

He wouldn't get near the uglies jobs, he got booted from one of the next group containing the three next best jobs, wasn't quoted for another one, and is apparently personna non grata at the pink bus shelter, even with Neilson on the ropes. The next group of wannabes he's not being quoted on the two that were/are uo for grabs.

He's unlikely ever to get a top league gig in Scotland again, especially if he's briefing out no -interest in the less glamorous jobs.

[The 90+2]

Only after he knew he wasn't on the short list😉 Too far a commute anyhow.

He's also missed out on another former team as Brian Rice is appointed Alloa manager.

4 vacancies in one week and he's not been officially quoted for one of them. Tells you some thing. He's comfy on his gardening pay and a salary cut isn't on his radar.

He didn't need to be on any shortlist. He was offered the job.