Winter transfer thread - repetitive discussion only (hardly any transfer news)

[Hermit Crab]

**** sake. :rolleyes:

[oldbutdim]

**** sake. :rolleyes:

****s hake Shirley.
:thumbsup:

[JimBHibees]

****s hake Shirley.
:thumbsup:

:greengrin

[calumhibee1]

**** sake. :rolleyes:

:agree:

Chronic.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Logged on this morning to see a few new pages. Shouldn't have got my hopes up. Full off nonsense 😔

[Brooster]

Hibs.net is not worth a sook these days. Goodbye.

[Callum_62]

To be fair guys - they are right

This forum is now not worth looking at in the main


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[bingo70]

I can’t stand the puns and it has ruined this thread but folk need to chill out a bit, it’s just a messageboard.

There’s not much else happening just now so people are trying to have a bit of a laugh. It’s not my sense of humour but not everything can be.

If there’s a rumour of a player signing it’ll still be discussed on here, inbetween times there’ll be nonsense posted, it happens every transfer thread in every transfer window.

[Joe6-2]

I can’t stand the puns and it has ruined this thread but folk need to chill out a bit, it’s just a messageboard.

There’s not much else happening just now so people are trying to have a bit of a laugh. It’s not my sense of humour but not everything can be.

If there’s a rumour of a player signing it’ll still be discussed on here, inbetween times there’ll be nonsense posted, it happens every transfer thread in every transfer window.

A bit sense at last

[SMAXXA]

If the admins had a backbone and did the honourable thing they would clearly burn every pun buster at the stake, can’t see any other viable solution.

[green with envy]

If anything to go by this thread, Hibs.Net is becoming a forum for children.

[SHODAN]

Every year we see the "hibs.net is *****" posts yet people keep coming back.

Face it: the forum has always been a place for bickering and making stupid jokes. Go back to any front page in time and you're guaranteed to see people arguing about transfer activity/lack of transfer activity/the Hertz/our supporters and an equal number of threads that have been hijacked with puns, as well as people complaining about said puns, and people complaining about the fact that people are complaining about puns makes the board ***** compared to some mythical period in time when everything was supposedly amazing. The board was pretty toxic immediately before and after we were relegated, but that's about it.

People's perceptions of the forum change with our form - as does their perceptions of a lot of things in life if you are, like many of us, very emotionally tied to your football team. If we'd just thumped Hearts in the derby and signed 5/6 quality players then I'd bet hibs.net would be the place to be right now. People use this place from time to time, rightly or wrongly, as a place to vent (in moderation of course). The fact that our admins are selective about what is and isn't allowed here ensures that this forum doesn't descend into an alt-right bigot fest like some other football forums or just complete unadulterated no-buffer-between-mind-and-mouth ***** that you see on the Facebook groups/Twitter.

Like it or not, people will complain about things they don't like, and you have every right to express your opinion on that. But if hibs.net didn't exist then I (as well as many others) would find it very difficult to engage in online discussion of our club outwith matchday because frankly the other options are terrible.

[Last Minute]

If the admins had a backbone and did the honourable thing they would clearly burn every pun buster at the stake, can’t see any other viable solution.

:agree::agree::aok::not worth

[Last Minute]

This forum site is becoming a joke and Admin need to sort it out. This was meant to be a winter transfer thread yet we get all those people coming on talking mince and acting like kids with nothing to do with transfers etc..

Such a shame Hibs.net used to be a great forum site for news on Hibs, now its just kids on keyboards .

[BILLYHIBS]

Every year we see the "hibs.net is *****" posts yet people keep coming back.

Face it: the forum has always been a place for bickering and making stupid jokes. Go back to any front page in time and you're guaranteed to see people arguing about transfer activity/lack of transfer activity/the Hertz/our supporters and an equal number of threads that have been hijacked with puns, as well as people complaining about said puns, and people complaining about the fact that people are complaining about puns makes the board ***** compared to some mythical period in time when everything was supposedly amazing. The board was pretty toxic immediately before and after we were relegated, but that's about it.

People's perceptions of the forum change with our form - as does their perceptions of a lot of things in life if you are, like many of us, very emotionally tied to your football team. If we'd just thumped Hearts in the derby and signed 5/6 quality players then I'd bet hibs.net would be the place to be right now. People use this place from time to time, rightly or wrongly, as a place to vent (in moderation of course). The fact that our admins are selective about what is and isn't allowed here ensures that this forum doesn't descend into an alt-right bigot fest like some other football forums or just complete unadulterated no-buffer-between-mind-and-mouth ***** that you see on the Facebook groups/Twitter.

Like it or not, people will complain about things they don't like, and you have every right to express your opinion on that. But if hibs.net didn't exist then I (as well as many others) would find it very difficult to engage in online discussion of our club outwith matchday because frankly the other options are terrible.

:top marks

100% Agree

Puns should be banned from this Forum :greengrin

[Centre Hawf]

While I don’t get involved it puns its a bit OTT getting angry about them. Just scroll past them if its so annoying to you.

[Phil MaGlass]

This thread is another reason why we shouldnae huv a winter break in Scotland, all this whaling and moaning for nothing.

[Leith Green]

Pish thread

[Hibbyradge]

If the admins had a backbone and did the honourable thing they would clearly burn every pun buster at the stake, can’t see any other viable solution.

Puns are not against the rules.

I haven't posted a single pun recently, but I'd rather read them than all the posts moaning about them.

Puns are usually one liners which take less than a second to skim past, yet folk complain and complain.

Puns won't stop.

Neither will lazy posts about "penny pinching", folk who pretend that they even know "a good source" never mind that they're ITK, folk getting annoyed at them or folk taking the huff when they're called out.

You can't determine what people want to discuss in the pub or at social gatherings. All you can do is either join in, ignore it or go to another pub till it dies down.

This thread has been utterly useless for transfer discussion almost from the start.

We've had posts about vegan sausage rolls, Arthur Scargill, this smiley :hyper, the colour of Hibs shirts, Michael Caine and folk bickering like crazy about attitudes and agendas, to name but a few.

None of the above are relevant to the thread title but I understand that they're part of online life, and real life to an extent.

There are people posting generalised insults on this thread, that's a lot worse than a pun, but that's tolerated. I find that strange.

What would it say about the message board if it actually banned puns?

[Hibbyradge]

Simple solution that works on another fan forum I use.

Have one thread for transfer reports where the only posts are links to articles on reported signing news from decent sources. One actual reports thread and the usual discussion thread.

Admins check it regularly and remove any guff and the fan dans would need to be reminded regularly it’s not a discussion thread which should be kept to the current thread for all the usual saddos to spend a few hours of their day talking mince. Modern day fan boys would also need to avoid copying drivel from joke twitter or Facebook accounts.

It would then be easy for people to follow genuine transfer news and leave the puns to the Windae lickers.

Some collection of phannies on here tho what......

You're calling fellow fans Windae lickers and phannies because they have a different sense of humour to you.

The poster above called them c***s.

That's not good.

[Pretty Boy]

As much as I'm no fan of puns I'm going to spend longer deleting posts 'abusing' other posters and deliberately bypassing the swear filter than I would have had to reading puns. How is that helpful?

The transfers threads have been like this for years and years, there are a couple of ideas suggested that may be worth looking at going forward. However a bit perspective is required; it's a forum where folk exchange opinions, people with different senses of humour clash and the odd little bit of transfer news gets reported ahead of the game. I tend to skim this thread as if there's any actual movement it gets a thread of it's own quite quickly anyway.

In saying that can we leave the puns alone for a bit. Surely it's evident they are more bother than they are worth?

[Hibbyradge]

I tend to skim this thread as if there's any actual movement it gets a thread of it's own quite quickly anyway.

Exactly. Good point.

[One Day Soon]

Every year we see the "hibs.net is *****" posts yet people keep coming back.

Face it: the forum has always been a place for bickering and making stupid jokes. Go back to any front page in time and you're guaranteed to see people arguing about transfer activity/lack of transfer activity/the Hertz/our supporters and an equal number of threads that have been hijacked with puns, as well as people complaining about said puns, and people complaining about the fact that people are complaining about puns makes the board ***** compared to some mythical period in time when everything was supposedly amazing. The board was pretty toxic immediately before and after we were relegated, but that's about it.

People's perceptions of the forum change with our form - as does their perceptions of a lot of things in life if you are, like many of us, very emotionally tied to your football team. If we'd just thumped Hearts in the derby and signed 5/6 quality players then I'd bet hibs.net would be the place to be right now. People use this place from time to time, rightly or wrongly, as a place to vent (in moderation of course). The fact that our admins are selective about what is and isn't allowed here ensures that this forum doesn't descend into an alt-right bigot fest like some other football forums or just complete unadulterated no-buffer-between-mind-and-mouth ***** that you see on the Facebook groups/Twitter.

Like it or not, people will complain about things they don't like, and you have every right to express your opinion on that. But if hibs.net didn't exist then I (as well as many others) would find it very difficult to engage in online discussion of our club outwith matchday because frankly the other options are terrible.


That is a superb post.

I really wish we had like buttons or some other way of being able to value posts. It would be interesting at the end of a year to see what were rated as the top ten posts of the year.

In respect of the splendid bickering on this thread I'll just observe that having a winter break clearly isn't good for anything really.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’ve hardly been online the last week or so and thought maybe I’d missed out on some stuff.

It’s now easier finding out who we’ve signed by visiting the official site. Who’d have thought it.

[SloopJB]

I’ve hardly been online the last week or so and thought maybe I’d missed out on some stuff.

It’s now easier finding out who we’ve signed by visiting the official site. Who’d have thought it.

The official site always was and always will be the place to get news.
This thread was meant to be about rumours people had heard but moved to wishful thinking, speculation then utter garbage and playground posturing.

checked one other thread, then this one because if anything is mentioned in any other outlet, it will be repeated here. I then go onto the BBC website.


it is what it is.

[RossScott1991]

don't get upset at puns, just read bits I like on this and find interesting.

anyways, people realise we have a game tonight? there's something to discuss!

[Barman Stanton]

What absolute nonsense this thread has become. Like it or not people do come here to see any transfer rumours. It’s the transfer thread on the clubs largest forum. It’s hardly a surprise problem look here for info. But as long as the few people who find there own puns hilarious are happy.

[matty_f]

Ok, I think we've reached a point where all that needs to be said on puns/going off topic etc has been said.

Can we now carry on without the abuse aimed at other posters and admins please.

[RobR27]

I'd be well up for a few puns if any of them were remotely funny or intelligent.

[Hibernian Verse]

Ok, I think we've reached a point where all that needs to be said on puns/going off topic etc has been said.

Can we now carry on without the abuse aimed at other posters and admins please.

That's two threads in three days you've had to step into. I don't envy your role.

[SRHibs]

That is a superb post.

I really wish we had like buttons or some other way of being able to value posts. It would be interesting at the end of a year to see what were rated as the top ten posts of the year.

In respect of the splendid bickering on this thread I'll just observe that having a winter break clearly isn't good for anything really.

Yeah, it's pretty strange that we haven't integrated a 'Like' button at this point. Would help people appreciate a quality post without having to reply, and as sad as it is, when good posts are quantifiable, the standard of posting would probably improve. That said, and obviously I'd say this, but Hibs.net, when you compare it to JKB and any Celtic/Rangers board, is just miles ahead. The admins do a pretty good job here overall.

[Danderhall Hibs]

That's two threads in three days you've had to step into. I don't envy your role.

Is a role a type of fish?

[04Sauzee]

Not really a rumour as such but Paul Smyth from QPR has been linked with a loan move to Scotland. If we are missing Effe maybe he'd be a good option for his goal-scoring celebrations :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Hy09cwFqE

P.S the chat is that it's Dundee & St Mirren who are possibly interested

[joe_hfc]

Is a role a type of fish?

In California it's a type of sushi

[Waxy]

A like and a dislike button would do.

[Heisenberg]

Ross Laidlaw gone on loan to Dundee United.

[calumhibee1]

Ross Laidlaw gone on loan to Dundee United.

Good move for all parties :agree:

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Ross Laidlaw gone on loan to Dundee United.

Must have another Keeper lined up (That lad from Spurs?)

Or is Lennon happy with 3?

[Smartie]

Ross Laidlaw gone on loan to Dundee United.

I like Laidlaw.

He's a better keeper than a good few of the first choices we've had over the years, but he needs to be getting games.

This is a good move for all parties.

[BILLYHIBS]

I like Laidlaw.

He's a better keeper than a good few of the first choices we've had over the years, but he needs to be getting games.

This is a good move for all parties.

Agree never recovered from the League Cup Semifinal versus Celtic his confidence suffered a massive blow

Hopefully he can kick on at United get some games under his belt rebuild his confidence and return a better goalkeeper or even better for him secure himself a permanent move

[J-C]

I like Laidlaw.

He's a better keeper than a good few of the first choices we've had over the years, but he needs to be getting games.

This is a good move for all parties.


By all accounts young Dabrowski is well thought of at the club, Lennon may be happy with him as back up until the summer.

[SHODAN]

A like and a dislike button would do.

And the reddit thing where posts are auto hidden if they go beneath a certain negative score. :aok:

[Sioux]

And the reddit thing where posts are auto hidden if they go beneath a certain negative score. :aok:

Good idea. We'd never hear from you.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[SRHibs]

Good idea. We'd never hear from you.

Liked.

[SHODAN]

Good idea. We'd never hear from you.


Liked.

Yeah, I walked right into that one. :boo hoo:

[Danderhall Hibs]

By all accounts young Dabrowski is well thought of at the club, Lennon may be happy with him as back up until the summer.

Cammy Bell is available and Lennon wanted to keep him last time, Bell left to be first pick but seems to have changed his tune on that front.

[MacGruber]

Still concerned that we haven't brought in at least one striker. Lennon said it was our priority and wanted 2.
We are now a Kamberi injury away from having to rely on Shaw, Lewis Allan & Gullan...... that's going to leave the development team pretty short!!

[K-Zazu]

Still concerned that we haven't brought in at least one striker. Lennon said it was our priority and wanted 2.
We are now a Kamberi injury away from having to rely on Shaw, Lewis Allan & Gullan...... that's going to leave the development team pretty short!!

Agree we should have had a striker in for tonight’s game we’ve had more than 3 weeks to get one in for tonight

[dangermouse]

Brendan Rodgers talks sh*te. This should be well known by now.

How do you know Brendan Rodgers is talking sh*te? His lips are moving :greengrin

[Franck Stanton]

Lips ? How can you see his lips for that hu*****us nose ?

[Hibbyradge]

Agree we should have had a striker in for tonight’s game we’ve had more than 3 weeks to get one in for tonight

Just any striker?

[K-Zazu]

Just any striker?

Hopefully no another big Dave

[Smartie]

Lips ? How can you see his lips for that hu*****us nose ?

Best swear filter I've ever seen outside of S****horpe.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Lennon says any move to bring Scott Allan here early will be at the end of the window (last couple of days) IF it happens at all.

[Hibbyradge]

Lennon says any move to bring Scott Allan here early will be at the end of the window (last couple of days) IF it happens at all.

Yes, he said that in his press conference interview earlier.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agree never recovered from the League Cup Semifinal versus Celtic his confidence suffered a massive blow

Hopefully he can kick on at United get some games under his belt rebuild his confidence and return a better goalkeeper or even better for him secure himself a permanent move

He's played 2 matches since the semi final. How did you come to the conclusion that he never recovered?

[Waxy]

Hopefully all this transfer talk about strikers will kick the ones we have into gear. Kamberi has massive potential.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Hopefully all this transfer talk about strikers will kick the ones we have into gear. Kamberi has massive potential.

Definitely need at least 1 striker in

Assuming no one leaves

[stuart-farquhar]

In California it's a type of sushi

I’m in California, consider myself something of a role model. Folks call me fish face!

[Brunswickbill]

A like and a dislike button would do.

Maybe a red and green card.

[BILLYHIBS]

He's played 2 matches since the semi final. How did you come to the conclusion that he never recovered?

Never played again after the League Cup Semi Final October of that season

Seem to recall him being injured for the rest of that season

Has actually played four games Blackburn Molde St Johnstone and Ross County

Came on second half versus Blackburn

We lost 0-2 ok only a preseason kick about but remember him not being confident and might have done better for one of the goals and looking nervous throughout

Apart from that did OK in his next three games

I Agree his kicking and distribution is better than Rockys :greengrin

As I said in my OP wish him all the best and hope it works out for him

[silverhibee]

Not really a rumour as such but Paul Smyth from QPR has been linked with a loan move to Scotland. If we are missing Effe maybe he'd be a good option for his goal-scoring celebrations :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Hy09cwFqE

P.S the chat is that it's Dundee & St Mirren who are possibly interested

St Mirren I heard.

[BegbieHSC]

Let’s get this thread bumped up. Mon Hibs - announce someone.

[K-Zazu]

Would have thought Hibs would have had a striker lined up at the start of the window, I know it’s not easy but we’ve known we were light up front for months, since the last window actually

[04Sauzee]

Would have thought Hibs would have had a striker lined up at the start of the window, I know it’s not easy but we’ve known we were light up front for months, since the last window actually

Would be hoping the same, although looking at what happened with St Mirren yesterday where they thought they had a full back coming on loan from Blackpool and for the boy to hit Glasgow and be told to turn the car back around as Blackpool had accepted a cash offer. I can see why deals breakdown.

Really hoping for a couple of players in for the weekend. Still think we need

2 Strikers (Min 1)
Wide player with pace
CH
And would be great to have Allan in

[mcfly]

Board and manager are now under real pressure to deliver.

Striker needed desperately - I’m sick of Lennon blaming Kamberi all the time.

The lad needs service and a bit of help.

Drop Mallan as he needs to work for his place - it’s no a gimme anymore.

We also need a new CH. why are we no looking at the lad Halkett from Livvy?

We need players now before our season becomes a relegation battle.

[SHODAN]

We're getting ever closer to the dreaded "panic buy English youth loan with 0 competitive appearances" time. Hopefully we have someone decent lined up.

[southsider]

Halkett is out of contract in June. Best player by a country mile on Sunday. Won his battles then carried the ball upfield like Effe. Get him signed now !

[Heisenberg]

Halkett is out of contract in June. Best player by a country mile on Sunday. Won his battles then carried the ball upfield like Effe. Get him signed now !

I’d make a big move to get him now. We’re struggling massively at the back.

[southsider]

I’d make a big move to get him now. We’re struggling massively at the back.

Livi would prob take 100 k. Lad will be a big star next season, hope it’s for us,

[04Sauzee]

Halkett is out of contract in June. Best player by a country mile on Sunday. Won his battles then carried the ball upfield like Effe. Get him signed now !

One that gets overlooked is Declan Gallagher who has looked very good every time I have seen him play for Livingston, thought he was very good against Hearts at the weekend. Can play right of a back 3 or as a right sided CH and can play right back. Out off contract in the summer and is a big big laddie

[TheGreenMan]

My Livingston supporting mate told me a couple of weeks ago he'd heard we were after Halkett and Sean Byrne the centre midfielder.. Seemingly talk of it in Livi circles

[K-Zazu]

My Livingston supporting mate told me a couple of weeks ago he'd heard we were after Halkett and Sean Byrne the centre midfielder.. Seemingly talk of it in Livi circles

Hibs talk a good game.

[Heisenberg]

I’d like us to get in a couple of longer term signings before the window shuts. We need to start properly rebuilding the squad.

[Hermit Crab]

Hibs talk a good game.

They play a terrible game though.

[K-Zazu]

Talking about Livi players give me Pittman over any of our midfield especially Mallan

[Hibbyradge]

Hibs talk a good game.

You mean Livi supporting mates talk a good game, no?

I haven't read any comments from Hibs about this.

[Squealing pig]

4 teams apparently interested in Jamie Maclaren

[04Sauzee]

Someone on Twitter saying that Cummings had put up a cryptic message in Instagram saying something along the lines of finding his new destination. Although it now seems that Cummings has now takes down said Instagram post.

Bit random and cryptic I know but thought I'd share it

[hhibs]

Still concerned that we haven't brought in at least one striker. Lennon said it was our priority and wanted 2.
We are now a Kamberi injury away from having to rely on Shaw, Lewis Allan & Gullan...... that's going to leave the development team pretty short!!


Gullan,has he been given a chance yet?not convinced by Shaw and certainly not by Lewis Allan.

I know that comes across as a bit brutal but don't think we are in a position to bugger about.

[hibsquaker]

4 teams apparently interested in Jamie Maclaren

I'll deliver him to one of them myself. Far to weak for this league

[Tambo]

Alex Bruce linked with Killie on a free, some website saying should we hijack the deal

[bigwheel]

I'll deliver him to one of them myself. Far to weak for this league

Disagree with that. Think we have barely seen a fit McLaren play this season. However as he seems to be moving on it’s all a bit academic.

Thought he did well at ibrox. One of his first games for for a while.

[04Sauzee]

Alex Bruce linked with Killie on a free, some website saying should we hijack the deal

Wigan fans seem delighted.
Don't think he's played alot of football in the last few years although I could be wrong

[BlackSheep]

Someone on Twitter saying that Cummings had put up a cryptic message in Instagram saying something along the lines of finding his new destination. Although it now seems that Cummings has now takes down said Instagram post.

Bit random and cryptic I know but thought I'd share it

So the latest on cummings...

Peterborough are responsible for finding him another club otherwise he stays with them tilt he end of his loan.

MK Dons and Lincoln have made enquires as have some Scottish teams but he isn’t keen on dropping down a division again and also not that keen on a return to Scotland...

I’m thinking he will just sit back and take his wage til the end of the season.

This was reported on Talksport this evening, the comment came from Barry Fry, Peterborough Director of Football....

[04Sauzee]

So the latest on cummings...

Peterborough are responsible for finding him another club otherwise he stays with them tilt he end of his loan.

MK Dons and Lincoln have made enquires as have some Scottish teams but he isn’t keen on dropping down a division again and also not that keen on a return to Scotland...

I’m thinking he will just sit back and take his wage til the end of the season.

This was reported on Talksport this evening, the comment came from Barry Fry, Peterborough Director of Football....

Thanks for the update. Hope he gets his career back on track.

[Ozyhibby]

7 days to go and we need to do a lot of business to call this window even close to a success. So far 2 loan deals is pretty pathetic.


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[Borderhibbie76]

We're getting ever closer to the dreaded "panic buy English youth loan with 0 competitive appearances" time. Hopefully we have someone decent lined up.If we pull this trick they better be ready for a huge snub when season tickets go on sale in March

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[flash]

If we pull this trick they better be ready for a huge snub when season tickets go on sale in March

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What if they don't?

[Borderhibbie76]

What if they don't?What a weird comment....I was stating the Board need to show a bit of ambition and get 2 or 3 quality signings in before 31st otherwise I won't be the only one not queuing up to renew early doors...as another poster has already said 2 x 6 month loans so far is pretty pathetic given our 1st half of season showing thus far

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[flash]

What a weird comment....I was stating the Board need to show a bit of ambition and get 2 or 3 quality signings in before 31st otherwise I won't be the only one not queuing up to renew early doors...as another poster has already said 2 x 6 month loans so far is pretty pathetic given our 1st half of season showing thus far

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Ah got you now. So you are getting all steamed up about something that hasn't happened, merely been suggested by another poster.

[Borderhibbie76]

Ah got you now. So you are getting all steamed up about something that hasn't happened, merely been suggested by another poster.Yeah that's right am a bed wetter not a happy clapper etc etc

Apologies for not thinking 8th is good enough for my team

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[flash]

Yeah that's right am a bed wetter not a happy clapper etc etc

Apologies for not thinking 8th is good enough for my team

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Not my point but ok.

[Borderhibbie76]

Not my point but ok.Apologies if I misunderstood but I just don't think having 7 days worth of recruitment to try and salvage ourleage season is an acceptable position to be in. Caused by dreadful recruitment and poor forward planning around the departures of last season's midfield etc...let's hope we get a few rabbits out the hat in the next week

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[Hibbyradge]

Yeah that's right am a bed wetter not a happy clapper etc etc

Apologies for not thinking 8th is good enough for my team

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Admins, can we have a straw man emoji, please? :greengrin

[Lago]

I am now just waiting for the ' our business is done ' statement from the club.

[Stuart93]

I am now just waiting for the ' our business is done ' statement from the club.

Absolutely no chance of that.

[hibee_girl]

I am now just waiting for the ' our business is done ' statement from the club.

You’re a week early.

[Nicho87]

Not had a feeling this feeling of just how pish we are since the relegation season. No where near as bad but still it’s getting there. Bottom 6, poor team selection, poor squad, has to be a very strong end to the window now to keep the paying punters on side. Imo to little to late.

[04Sauzee]

Alex Bruce linked with Killie on a free, some website saying should we hijack the deal

Being reported as a done deal 18 month deal

[Weegreenman]

I am now just waiting for the ' our business is done ' statement from the club.


I think we’ll see at least one signing. A striker :aok:

[Lago]

You’re a week early.
Your missing my real point

[Robbo6-2]

This window has been extremely frustrating.

Before it started we were 3 or 4 short.

Unbelievably we are weaker now and lost more ground on teams above.

[Ozyhibby]

This window has been extremely frustrating.

Before it started we were 3 or 4 short.

Unbelievably we are weaker now and lost more ground on teams above.

Lennon himself said he expected 2/3 in for Dubai trip yet with only days left in the window all we have are two loan players. Are the club backing the manager? Doesn’t look like it.


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[Hibee Mac]

Why don't the club take this opportunity to get 1 or 2 permanent signings bedded in with the club in time for next season in the positions we are seriously lacking in?

The season is done already, what's the point in more loans? Time to start building a team for next season and consolidate 8th before we drop even further...

If we don't then it's major surgery time again come summer. I have to admit that throughout the whole of Lennon's reign the club have been so far from forward thinking when it comes to transfers, we've squandered so many opportunities to fill gaps that we all knew were going to appear (ie McGinn etc etc).

[Lago]

Why don't the club take this opportunity to get 1 or 2 permanent signings bedded in with the club in time for next season in the positions we are seriously lacking in?

The season is done already, what's the point in more loans? Time to start building a team for next season and consolidate 8th before we drop even further...

If we don't then it's major surgery time again come summer. I have to admit that throughout the whole of Lennon's reign the club have been so far from forward thinking when it comes to transfers, we've squandered so many opportunities to fill gaps that we all knew were going to appear (ie McGinn etc etc).
Much too sensible.

[Golden Bear]

Even although we do get the "right players" in, there's absolutely no guarantee that they'll be played in their natural positions or even feature in the squad.

Yip, you've got it, I'm disillusioned with what's happening at ER right now.

[Scotty Leither]

Kilmarnock lost the guy Stewart, and have almost immediately replaced him. We hum and haw and make DVDs to give to loan players.

Would Mathie and Craig not be better on the phone to agents? Or maybe get on the phone to Killie's recruitment team to ask how it's done?

[Centre Hawf]

Ah got you now. So you are getting all steamed up about something that hasn't happened, merely been suggested by another poster.

Comments like these are strange. He was replying to a poster that suggested we’d do something were known to do before and how negatively it would go if it did.

[B.H.F.C]

Kilmarnock lost the guy Stewart, and have almost immediately replaced him. We hum and haw and make DVDs to give to loan players.

Would Mathie and Craig not be better on the phone to agents?

Not sure if they replaced him, unless I have missed something?

More generally though, they seem to be able to cope with losing players. Lost Mulumbu who was their best player last year. No problem, get on with it. Lose Stewart, beat The Rangers next game.

All we hear is how difficult it is when you lose good players. It is difficult but others seem to manage. Same with Aberdeen losing Christie and McLean in the summer.

[flash]

Comments like these are strange. He was replying to a poster that suggested we’d do something were known to do before and how negatively it would go if it did.

Not half as strange as getting all worked up about something that hasn't happened.

[Centre Hawf]

Not half as strange as getting all worked up about something that hasn't happened.

He was merely giving his opinion on if it did.

[Shrekko]

Not sure if they replaced him, unless I have missed something?

More generally though, they seem to be able to cope with losing players. Lost Mulumbu who was their best player last year. No problem, get on with it. Lose Stewart, beat The Rangers next game.

All we hear is how difficult it is when you lose good players. It is difficult but others seem to manage. Same with Aberdeen losing Christie and McLean in the summer.

Killie lost one player.... got Stewart in, then have now lost him.

Hardly the same as losing a whole midfield then being ravaged with injuries.

[calumhibee1]

All we hear is how difficult it is when you lose good players. It is difficult but others seem to manage. Same with Aberdeen losing Christie and McLean in the summer.

:agree:

Not us though. We’ve just to accept being pish. Even more ridiculous is the fact that we got millions of £s when we lost our players while the others got nothing in Killies case or a nominal fee for Maclean in Aberdeen’s case. Yet as you say, they have pushed on while we’ve put together a sub standard squad with a manager who is getting nowhere near enough out of them.

[Scotty Leither]

Killie lost one player.... got Stewart in, then have now lost him.

Hardly the same as losing a whole midfield then being ravaged with injuries.

How many season tickets did Killie sell?

Did they cop a big transfer fee in the summer?

What's their average home gate compared to ours?

[Hibbyradge]

Why don't the club take this opportunity to get 1 or 2 permanent signings bedded in with the club in time for next season in the positions we are seriously lacking in?



They probably canny be bothered, eh?

[K-Zazu]

They probably canny be bothered, eh?

Looks that way aye

[Shrekko]

How many season tickets did Killie sell?

Did they cop a big transfer fee in the summer?

What's their average home gate compared to ours?

Who would you have suggested to replace McGinn, McGeouch, Allan and Barker?

[B.H.F.C]

Killie lost one player.... got Stewart in, then have now lost him.

Hardly the same as losing a whole midfield then being ravaged with injuries.

Ah the injuries. They’ve affected us. But we should still be better off than we are.

Killie lost their most influential player in the summer and have phased out last seasons top scorer. They are getting better despite it.

Christie and McLean made up two thirds of Aberdeen’s midfield but they’re ok aren’t they?

Meanwhile, over at Easter Road....

[Scotty Leither]

Who would you have suggested to replace McGinn, McGeouch, Allan and Barker?

I'd have been trying to source the next Mcginn, i.e. a young player in the lower leagues.

I wouldn't be bringing in identikit loanees and short-term dross like Mavrias and Nelom and be passing them off as international class players when they're anything but.

I might by now have at least one more forward in the door to help a guy up front who is clearly toiling with the burden of playing a role he's clearly uncomfortable playing.

In short, i'd be looking like we're at least acting like the "big club" we keep getting told we are instead of having the stink of short-termism and bargain basement deals following us around.

[bigwheel]

Ah the injuries. They’ve affected us. But we should still be better off than we are.

Killie lost their most influential player in the summer and have phased out last seasons top scorer. They are getting better despite it.

Christie and McLean made up two thirds of Aberdeen’s midfield but they’re ok aren’t they?

Meanwhile, over at Easter Road....

Both have done well I’ll give you that - yet it is hard to compare the performance of a team with their key players available bs a team who have not been able to select theirs. There is no doubt we have had a tough run of players unavailable..that said. It isn’t the only factor we’ve had many off form too

[flash]

He was merely giving his opinion on if it did.

Why are you so bothered?

[bingo70]

I'd have been trying to source the next Mcginn, i.e. a young player in the lower leagues.

I wouldn't be bringing in identikit loanees and short-term dross like Mavrias and Nelom and be passing them off as international class players when they're anything but.

I might by now have at least one more forward in the door to help a guy up front who is clearly toiling with the burden of playing a role he's clearly uncomfortable playing.

In short, i'd be looking like we're at least acting like the "big club" we keep getting told we are instead of having the stink of short-termism and bargain basement deals following us around.

I didn’t agree with your earlier post, I can’t be arsed finding it now to be more specific but anyway, I completely agree with your post here.

We seem to be signing players based on their CV.

I’m not believing there’s not any up and coming young hungry players in the lower leagues In Scotland that would be good for us.

[SMAXXA]

Ah the injuries. They’ve affected us. But we should still be better off than we are.

Killie lost their most influential player in the summer and have phased out last seasons top scorer. They are getting better despite it.

Christie and McLean made up two thirds of Aberdeen’s midfield but they’re ok aren’t they?

Meanwhile, over at Easter Road....

That’s actually a really good point re Christie and McLean. Our issues are recruitment it hasn’t been good enough and to think we are actually arguably weaker at this stage of the window than we were at the start is an absolute farce.

The next week will define so much, NL future, this season, knock on effect on season tickets, any chance of a feel good factor returning and probably a lot more.

Actually think this is the biggest window we have had in years all things considered

[#2 Double Tap]

Who would you have suggested to replace McGinn, McGeouch, Allan and Barker?

imo we should have used the mcginn money to sign;

Kamara, Cadden and Scotty Allan.

the cummings money woulda still covered horgan, mallan, kamberi.

I don't think that was unrealistic at the start of the season.

[SChibs]

Kilmarnock lost the guy Stewart, and have almost immediately replaced him. We hum and haw and make DVDs to give to loan players.

Would Mathie and Craig not be better on the phone to agents? Or maybe get on the phone to Killie's recruitment team to ask how it's done?

How do you know they aren't on the phone to agents?

[K-Zazu]

imo we should have used the mcginn money to sign;

Kamara, Cadden and Scotty Allan.

the cummings money woulda still covered horgan, mallan, kamberi.

I don't think that was unrealistic at the start of the season.

When did we sell McGinn wasn’t it right at the end of the window? Not a lot of time to get deals done I might be wrong tho

[B.H.F.C]

When did we sell McGinn wasn’t it right at the end of the window? Not a lot of time to get deals done I might be wrong tho

Nope there was still about three weeks left. And it was pretty clear it was happening weeks before that.

[calumhibee1]

When did we sell McGinn wasn’t it right at the end of the window? Not a lot of time to get deals done I might be wrong tho

It was early August (don’t know the date). So still 3 or 4 weeks left.

[The Modfather]

Ah the injuries. They’ve affected us. But we should still be better off than we are.

Killie lost their most influential player in the summer and have phased out last seasons top scorer. They are getting better despite it.

Christie and McLean made up two thirds of Aberdeen’s midfield but they’re ok aren’t they?

Meanwhile, over at Easter Road....

Great post. As your examples show we’re not the only team that had a rebuilding job to do in the summer but others appear to have made a much better fist of it than we appear able to do.

For me there’s been an issue with our much vaunted recruitment, last January exempted, right from Lennons first summer window IMO. Injuries or no injuries won’t change my view that the recruitment has been an issue for a long time now.

[Scotty Leither]

How do you know they aren't on the phone to agents?

Maybe because of the distinct lack of players in? Or maybe the phone's not being answered because of the sweeties we're offering?

[Unseen work]

imo we should have used the mcginn money to sign;

Kamara, Cadden and Scotty Allan.

the cummings money woulda still covered horgan, mallan, kamberi.

I don't think that was unrealistic at the start of the season.


Sorry but thats Fifa sort of talk.

All 3 players were under contract and would have cost 500-1 million each. Were never going to spend that amount of money on a player never mine 3 in the one window.

We have some money compared to others but were in the same market of signing players that have failed in england, taking a chance on youth, old players on the way down or pre contracts.

We can’t go out and sign players high in demand for a lot of money.

Not many teams in Scotland can but they’ve recruited better. Aberdeen got the young lad Ferguson for Hamilton who has been brilliant, but they’ve also failed with two of their big summer signings in Gleeson and Forrester.

Its hit or miss with the signings and unfortunately ours so far have been miss. Although I think they’re good players individually, we don’t have the right balance or system at the moment meaning we’re getting over run and out played.

[Unseen work]

I also think it’s difficult at times for managers at Hibs as they know the fans and media expect a certain style of play from us.

For example Aberdeen have been the second best team in the country for years but they’re brutal to watch and a lot of their players wouldn’t succeed at Hibs imo as fans would be on their back.

Theyre big physical and win the battle, play long balls out wide and get crosses in.

[Sioux]

I didn’t agree with your earlier post, I can’t be arsed finding it now to be more specific but anyway, I completely agree with your post here.

We seem to be signing players based on their CV.

I’m not believing there’s not any up and coming young hungry players in the lower leagues In Scotland that would be good for us.

If there are young hungry players in the lower leagues in Scotland that would be good for any premier league club, they wouldn't be where they are? The evidence goes against your theory.

[#2 Double Tap]

Sorry but thats Fifa sort of talk.

All 3 players were under contract and would have cost 500-1 million each. Were never going to spend that amount of money on a player never mine 3 in the one window.

We have some money compared to others but were in the same market of signing players that have failed in england, taking a chance on youth, old players on the way down or pre contracts.

We can’t go out and sign players high in demand for a lot of money.

Not many teams in Scotland can but they’ve recruited better. Aberdeen got the young lad Ferguson for Hamilton who has been brilliant, but they’ve also failed with two of their big summer signings in Gleeson and Forrester.

Its hit or miss with the signings and unfortunately ours so far have been miss. Although I think they’re good players individually, we don’t have the right balance or system at the moment meaning we’re getting over run and out played.


I hear what you are saying, but that is the reason the whole of Scottish football is crap, and will always remain so. There is no ambition to improve. Why is it unrealistic for hibs to spend their 3 million taken in on 3 1 million quid players?? wages and signing on fees are taken from gate/season money. surely. Where does the money go? the surplus 3 million?

I feel like im playing on the defensive here, and I don't mean to be! It just very annoying. You look at every other league in the world and teams invest in players and sell players, that's how they improve. All in my opinion :P

[Scotty Leither]

If there are young hungry players in the lower leagues in Scotland that would be good for any premier league club, they wouldn't be where they are? The evidence goes against your theory.

So what was McGinn classed as when he was playing for St Mirren?

[James Stephen]

Great post. As your examples show we’re not the only team that had a rebuilding job to do in the summer but others appear to have made a much better fist of it than we appear able to do.

For me there’s been an issue with our much vaunted recruitment, last January exempted, right from Lennons first summer window IMO. Injuries or no injuries won’t change my view that the recruitment has been an issue for a long time now.

The difference is, that Killie and Aberdeen are very well coached and defensively well drilled and organised teams, so when they do misfire they are still competitive, they can still rely on the other parts of their team to function well.

For whatever reason, Lennon has never drilled the defence well and our lack of in form strikers seems to mean every dept of our team (excl goalies) fall to pieces and underperform.

[James Stephen]

I also think it’s difficult at times for managers at Hibs as they know the fans and media expect a certain style of play from us.

For example Aberdeen have been the second best team in the country for years but they’re brutal to watch and a lot of their players wouldn’t succeed at Hibs imo as fans would be on their back.

Theyre big physical and win the battle, play long balls out wide and get crosses in.


Completely agree. I believe its why we are historically less consistent than we should be.

[Keyser Sauzee]

So what was McGinn classed as when he was playing for St Mirren?

McGinn played his all his football in the premier league before coming to Hibs.

[B.H.F.C]

McGinn played his all his football in the premier league before coming to Hibs.

And already had a winners medal to his name. And a relegation as well I suppose!

[jacomo]

I hear what you are saying, but that is the reason the whole of Scottish football is crap, and will always remain so. There is no ambition to improve. Why is it unrealistic for hibs to spend their 3 million taken in on 3 1 million quid players?? wages and signing on fees are taken from gate/season money. surely. Where does the money go? the surplus 3 million?

I feel like im playing on the defensive here, and I don't mean to be! It just very annoying. You look at every other league in the world and teams invest in players and sell players, that's how they improve. All in my opinion :P


You make a good point. Hardly the first time we’ve lost one of our best players and failed to replace them properly.

Hibs knew SJM was leaving and the deal left us some time to find a replacement. With Dylan leaving as well central midfield was a clear priority.

[matty_f]

It's interesting listening to Gauld and Omeonga talking to Hibs TV - they both say that they were aware of Hibs' interest a long time before the deal was completed, which to be is clear, irrefutable evidence that the signings have been planned and identified some time back, and that Jobs were prepared to wait to get the player that they wanted.

Similarly, Scott Allan was signed on a pre-contact and we know that we are trying to get him in this window.

I would think that it would be reasonable to think that similar work is going into getting not just any old striker in, but one (or two) that we think will genuinely improve the team and are prepared to get those deals done rather than rush into a signing at a lower standard.

[Scotty Leither]

McGinn played his all his football in the premier league before coming to Hibs.

Aye point taken...but he was still at one of the less fashionable clubs and won a LC medal at 18/19 years old.

I'd have more faith in the club if we were scouting effectively and going after players like him and coaching them into becoming real Hibs players instead of your Rherras' Mavrias and Eardleys that seems to be our stamp just now.

[Smartie]

You make a good point. Hardly the first time we’ve lost one of our best players and failed to replace them properly.

Hibs knew SJM was leaving and the deal left us some time to find a replacement. With Dylan leaving as well central midfield was a clear priority.

The annoying thing for me is that the few years before McGinn and McGeouch left had raised my expectations.

When Scott Allan left the first time I had the fear that we'd go down the predictable old route of trying and failing to replace him on the cheap.

We actually improved at that time, getting McGinn and McGeouch on permanent contracts and a good year from Liam Henderson.

Sadly it is starting to look like the Stubbs era was a blip and we're getting back to normal.

There's a bit of me that wants to give Lennon the benefit of the doubt. Mallan was clearly the man he'd identified to push the boat out for, get in early and persist with him in the hope he'd grow into a player as good as those he replaced. Nobody can say Lennon hasn't given a decent run in the side.

Sadly it looks to me like this transfer has been a whopping failure (yeah, yeah he's scored a few goals but he's been part of a midfield that has been dominated week in week out). We don't have much margin for error with our main signings but can anyone say we're getting enough from Mallan and Whittaker, both who were given 3 year contracts?

I know there are no guarantees of success, but at least with the 5 month loans you can get shot of them quickly if they don't cut it.

[K-Zazu]

Livi just signed a defender, could mean one on the way out?

[IberianHibernian]

The annoying thing for me is that the few years before McGinn and McGeouch left had raised my expectations.

When Scott Allan left the first time I had the fear that we'd go down the predictable old route of trying and failing to replace him on the cheap.

We actually improved at that time, getting McGinn and McGeouch on permanent contracts and a good year from Liam Henderson.

Sadly it is starting to look like the Stubbs era was a blip and we're getting back to normal.

There's a bit of me that wants to give Lennon the benefit of the doubt. Mallan was clearly the man he'd identified to push the boat out for, get in early and persist with him in the hope he'd grow into a player as good as those he replaced. Nobody can say Lennon hasn't given a decent run in the side.

Sadly it looks to me like this transfer has been a whopping failure (yeah, yeah he's scored a few goals but he's been part of a midfield that has been dominated week in week out). We don't have much margin for error with our main signings but can anyone say we're getting enough from Mallan and Whittaker, both who were given 3 year contracts?

I know there are no guarantees of success, but at least with the 5 month loans you can get shot of them quickly if they don't cut it. Only thing that Whittaker and Mallon have in common is length of contracts . Big difference in age and I`m certainly expecting Mallon to be an important player for us next season and beyond and hopefully before . Pretty sure we`ll have signed him thinking of resale value .

[.Sean.]

Who would you have suggested to replace McGinn, McGeouch, Allan and Barker?
That’s not the job of a supporter is it? The recruitment team had god knows how long to source replacements as we knew how unlikely keeping said players would be. They failed.

[IberianHibernian]

That’s not the job of a supporter is it? The recruitment team had god knows how long to source replacements as we knew how unlikely keeping said players would be. They failed.So far new midfielders haven`t made as much of an impact as hoped though personally I think it`s far too soon to write off Mallan and Horgan as failures . Our ex midfield stars hardly ever scored and became fans`favourites in second tier and also played with a better and younger defence behind them .

[Smartie]

Only thing that Whittaker and Mallon have in common is length of contracts . Big difference in age and I`m certainly expecting Mallon to be an important player for us next season and beyond and hopefully before . Pretty sure we`ll have signed him thinking of resale value .

I agree with the first part, but by giving anyone a 3 year contract you are expecting them to stick around and make a decent contribution for at least a couple of years irrespective of age.

I'm expecting little of Mallan at Hibs. We either build a team that allows us to carry him as a luxury (a bit like we did with Latapy), he plays deep every week and we get dominated or he gets dropped.

I'm expecting him to get dropped and for us to find a more effective blend in midfield and the final third, and he'll spend much of his 3 year contract out on loan as we cut our losses.

It hasn't worked and I don't think it's going to.

Horgan has something but I think he'll blow hot and cold. He's as likely to create or score 2 or 3 goals on Sunday as he is to play like he did last night.

[Hulk1875]

Mallan banging goals in early I season team playing with a bit flow then it just stopped what has happened is it within the club, the injuries have been horrendous

[tonyrougier123]

I'd have been trying to source the next Mcginn, i.e. a young player in the lower leagues.

I wouldn't be bringing in identikit loanees and short-term dross like Mavrias and Nelom and be passing them off as international class players when they're anything but.

I might by now have at least one more forward in the door to help a guy up front who is clearly toiling with the burden of playing a role he's clearly uncomfortable playing.

In short, i'd be looking like we're at least acting like the "big club" we keep getting told we are instead of having the stink of short-termism and bargain basement deals following us around.
I agree with your point bud 👍."internationals"that cannny get in the team passing through on short deals to tide ther bank balance over will and have chucked it at hibs past and present,sign some laddies with a point to prove,I often read on here about our time in the championship playing against some "dross teams",but imo morton and qos raith and the like had some players who could graft away in a half decent side,when a side like ours starts to forget that slog of gettin back up and how hard these teams made it for us with some hidden gems in there side,its a slow decline back in the struggle,with the money spent on these "international" pedigree players.weve got some talent now we need graft!

[FitbaFolkKen]

Kilmarnock lost the guy Stewart, and have almost immediately replaced him. We hum and haw and make DVDs to give to loan players.

Would Mathie and Craig not be better on the phone to agents? Or maybe get on the phone to Killie's recruitment team to ask how it's done?

Do you genuinely think that they are sitting around with a VHS and waiting on the phone to ring?

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[DetroitHibs]

Do you genuinely think that they are sitting around with a VHS and waiting on the phone to ring?

What exactly have they been doing? Wasn't Lennon banging on for weeks before the window that he desperately needed another forward? Nothing was in place as the window opened, didn't bring a forward to travel to Dubai, and going in to our second league game, looks like that MAJOR issue has still not been addressed. How this is even acceptable is beyond me.

[SquashedFrogg]

What exactly have they been doing? Wasn't Lennon banging on for weeks before the window that he desperately needed another forward? Nothing was in place as the window opened, didn't bring a forward to travel to Dubai, and going in to our second league game, looks like that MAJOR issue has still not been addressed. How this is even acceptable is beyond me.

People seem to be stuck in an infinite loop here. Has it ever occurred that the players we have targetted aren't available, or committing yet?

[Greenworld]

Do you genuinely think that they are sitting around with a VHS and waiting on the phone to ring?I think he point is good old fashioned manager contacts working well for killie ...our manager either dosnt have any or at the mercy of the recruitment team which is failing at first team level

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[mjhibby]

That’s actually a really good point re Christie and McLean. Our issues are recruitment it hasn’t been good enough and to think we are actually arguably weaker at this stage of the window than we were at the start is an absolute farce.

The next week will define so much, NL future, this season, knock on effect on season tickets, any chance of a feel good factor returning and probably a lot more.

Actually think this is the biggest window we have had in years all things considered

Yes and no. I suspect we won't get any great signings in this window as it's always difficult but it will be the summer window which will be more vital. Allan is already in and hopefully a few others. I think unless the injuries ease and players start playing to their capabilities them it will be a totally inconsistent second half of the season. Thankfully we got a lot of money from the Europa league so this bad run shouldn't dent our finances. I do agree that we should be looking a some of the livi players and guys like Erskine who looks to be a tricky customer. Killie are just having a great run just now but they will lose players and will come back to the pack. Is this just not always been the way with us though. Highs followed by lows. I'm used to it after 47 years.

[Hibbyradge]

Aye point taken...but he was still at one of the less fashionable clubs and won a LC medal at 18/19 years old.

I'd have more faith in the club if we were scouting effectively and going after players like him and coaching them into becoming real Hibs players instead of your Rherras' Mavrias and Eardleys that seems to be our stamp just now.

Sometimes it's like people think Hibs are the only club in the UK who are looking to uncover a young player with bags of potential.

We're not. Every club is trying to do that and the pickings are extremely limited.

There's always going to be a mix of where teams get their players.

The players you mention were brought in purely for cover.

We will have experienced players we've brought in from other clubs, squad players, young prospects from the development team and guys like Sean Mackie, who we picked up from Raith Rovers for £25k at age 17 to be developed.

"Let's just uncover the next John McGinn in the lower leagues".

I can't believe no-one has thought of that before. And all those scouts out there too. Cuh.

[JimBHibees]

People seem to be stuck in an infinite loop here. Has it ever occurred that the players we have targetted aren't available, or committing yet?

Agree we are not Man Utd we have a finite budget and will need to be used accordingly. No doubt this season few of the signings have been standouts and some disappointing to be honest however it makes sense to try and utilise budget the best we can if that means bringing in a loan player such as striker who is better than what we can afford then good.

[BILLYHIBS]

Yes and no. I suspect we won't get any great signings in this window as it's always difficult but it will be the summer window which will be more vital. Allan is already in and hopefully a few others. I think unless the injuries ease and players start playing to their capabilities them it will be a totally inconsistent second half of the season. Thankfully we got a lot of money from the Europa league so this bad run shouldn't dent our finances. I do agree that we should be looking a some of the livi players and guys like Erskine who looks to be a tricky customer. Killie are just having a great run just now but they will lose players and will come back to the pack. Is this just not always been the way with us though. Highs followed by lows. I'm used to it after 47 years.

I agree Chris Erskine is a fine player but has only just joined Livvy this month on an 18 month contract so unlikely they would sell unless you are talking fortunes

I really think we should be looking at better with all due respect to Chris Erskine

If we do not get “better” in this window this place will go into meltdown and Season Tickets will not be renewed

Lennys job is on the line this window he might not be here in the summer if he does not pull “a rabbit out of the hat” as Stubbsy used to say

I would not be surprised if a deal is agreed with Celtic to bring Scotty Allan in now at the end of this window and even that would be no guarantee of sorting this shambles

New recruits needed now

[Smartie]

I think he point is good old fashioned manager contacts working well for killie ...our manager either dosnt have any or at the mercy of the recruitment team which is failing at first team level

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I don't think that's true or fair.

Efe was a Lennon contact for sure, as was Commons. I'd be surprised if Bogdan wasn't.

The pedigree of player we are often signing is higher, even if their ability is not. I'd be surprised if Milligan, Marciano, McLaren, the Man City boys, and Flo all had nothing to do with Lennon and his contacts.

Lennon is driving me up the wall right now but I don't think this is a fair criticism.

In fact, this is probably the greatest reason to keep Lennon. I'm pretty sure we could attract a lower profile manager who would get much more out of our current players, but would he be able to continue to attract this standard of player in future?

[SquashedFrogg]

Agree we are not Man Utd we have a finite budget and will need to be used accordingly. No doubt this season few of the signings have been standouts and some disappointing to be honest however it makes sense to try and utilise budget the best we can if that means bringing in a loan player such as striker who is better than what we can afford then good.

I agree. I can only guess that players we target are generally playing at a higher level (on more money) and also in demand from other clubs. Hence delay in players committing. Id suggest teams like Livingston, Motherwell, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone are picking up players who arent in this bracket and are desperate to take a step up in career.

Perhaps we need to start looking at more hungry, lower league players? Instead of 'marquee' type signings. I dunno.

I guess come end of Jan we will all know what the plan was.

[bingo70]

Sometimes it's like people think Hibs are the only club in the UK who are looking to uncover a young player with bags of potential.

We're not. Every club is trying to do that and the pickings are extremely limited.

There's always going to be a mix of where teams get their players.

The players you mention were brought in purely for cover.

We will have experienced players we've brought in from other clubs, squad players, young prospects from the development team and guys like Sean Mackie, who we picked up from Raith Rovers for £25k at age 17 to be developed.

"Let's just uncover the next John McGinn in the lower leagyes".

I can't believe no-one has thought of that before. And all those scouts out there too. Cuh.

I think there appears to be different transfer strategies though.

Buy young hungry players playing at a lower level that’ll bring bags of enthusiasm but are maybe quite raw and potentially inconsistent. Bit of a gamble but if the rough edges can be smoothed out there’s a player there.

Or go for tried and tested experienced players, players who won’t be fazed by playing at a club like Hibs, likely to cost a bit more but they’ve proven they can cut it at our level so should be less of a gamble (in theory)

Third option is to get young players on loan we wouldn’t have been able to afford normally. Limited cost and get good young players but no continuity and not proven if they can cut it at this level.

Imo we have been too focused on the latter two options and that’s where I think the criticism comes from. In the summer for example if Lennon has the chance of signing someone like Milligan with a million caps for Australia or say Pittman at Livingston, the club would have gone for Milligan where as on the evidence of this season Pittman would have been the better option, despite having a fraction of the CV Milligan has.

(I maybe shouldn’t have used Milligan as an example there as I’ve not completely written him off like some others, I think he’s been better than people have been saying, he’s not hit the heights I’d hoped though)

[DetroitHibs]

I think we should have 4-5 dedicated scouts that watch every top 5 team in the first division. Every single game and drawing up a shortlist for every transfer window.

[SquashedFrogg]

I think there appears to be different transfer strategies though.

Buy young hungry players playing at a lower level that’ll bring bags of enthusiasm but are maybe quite raw and potentially inconsistent. Bit of a gamble but if the rough edges can be smoothed out there’s a player there.

Or go for tried and tested experienced players, players who won’t be fazed by playing at a club like Hibs, likely to cost a bit more but they’ve proven they can cut it at our level so should be less of a gamble (in theory)

Third option is to get young players on loan we wouldn’t have been able to afford normally. Limited cost and get good young players but no continuity and not proven if they can cut it at this level.

Imo we have been too focused on the latter two options and that’s where I think the criticism comes from. In the summer for example if Lennon has the chance of signing someone like Milligan with a million caps for Australia or say Pittman at Livingston, the club would have gone for Milligan where as on the evidence of this season Pittman would have been the better option, despite having a fraction of the CV Milligan has.

(I maybe shouldn’t have used Milligan as an example there as I’ve not completely written him off like some others, I think he’s been better than people have been saying, he’s not hit the heights I’d hoped though)

Some good points. Interestingly Pittman was playing junior football 3 years or so ago with Broxburn Athletic.

[Borderhibbie76]

Comments like these are strange. He was replying to a poster that suggested we’d do something were known to do before and how negatively it would go if it did.Thanks that's exactly what I meant

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[SquashedFrogg]

I think we should have 4-5 dedicated scouts that watch every top 5 team in the first division. Every single game and drawing up a shortlist for every transfer window.

Slight overkill there. What if our next wee gem is in the league below, or the one below that?

I see where you're coming from but we could end up with more scouts than fans lol

[Borderhibbie76]

They probably canny be bothered, eh?You do enjoy sarcastic replies to posters genuinely concerned at the state of our squad and our season don't u - have you anything remotely worthwhile to bring to the discussion or just laugh at posters concerned about the state we are currently in???

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[bingo70]

Some good points. Interestingly Pittman was playing junior football 3 years or so ago with Broxburn Athletic.

I was just using him to illustrate a point, I’ve seen him have a couple of good, very good games actually but I do think we’re in danger of making him out to be some sort of Messi.

Again though, I suppose that’s my point, buy a good player that’s a bit rough round the edges and back the manager to get the most out of him consistently or buy a proven player that should maybe need less work.

[Borderhibbie76]

People seem to be stuck in an infinite loop here. Has it ever occurred that the players we have targetted aren't available, or committing yet?How come other teams identify and sign targets earlier then?? This is such a .net myth and it really is utter nonsense...it was trotted out all last August too and what happened on deadline day...? That's right we signed nobody and went into the season with 2 senior strikers and a development squad graduate largely untested

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[SquashedFrogg]

I was just using him to illustrate a point, I’ve seen him have a couple of good, very good games actually but I do think we’re in danger of making him out to be some sort of Messi.

Again though, I suppose that’s my point, buy a good player that’s a bit rough round the edges and back the manager to get the most out of him consistently or buy a proven player that should maybe need less work.

I'm with you btw. I think expectations play a part too sadly. Teams like Livingston, St Johnstone can allow players to grow, develop, make mistakes in the first team. Knock off the rough edges as it were.

Some of our fans would melt into a puddle if we were to do that.

[DetroitHibs]

Slight overkill there. What if our next wee gem is in the league below, or the one below that?

I see where you're coming from but we could end up with more scouts than fans lol

Obviously we can't have scouts at every game, but having five that cover the top end of the championship would help us uncover talent that could make the step up. Most gems that are in the lower divisions, usually end up playing in the first division. Very rarely does a second or third division player, jump right in to the SPL.

[SquashedFrogg]

How come other teams identify and sign targets earlier then?? This is such a .net myth and it really is utter nonsense...it was trotted out all last August too and what happened on deadline day...? That's right we signed nobody and went into the season with 2 senior strikers and a development squad graduate largely untested

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I have no idea. I merely put up a legitimate explanation as to why. Which, btw, isn't a myth. It happens with many transfers with players/clubs everywhere.

Ok then, explain to me precisely why players we have targeted haven't signed yet? You clearly know.

[Borderhibbie76]

I have no idea. I merely put up a legitimate explanation as to why. Which, btw, isn't a myth. It happens with many transfers with players/clubs everywhere.

Ok then, explain to me precisely why players we have targeted haven't signed yet? You clearly know.No I don't mate and not looking to argue with you at all...but their takes times argument is trotted out a lot on here and by Hibs too...yet we sit back and watch all our major rivals strengthen and we've weakened since 1st Jan.

Listen I hope you are bang on and we get 3 or 4 quality signings in before next Thurs I really do - let's see what happens but it needs to be a busy 6 days for us that's for sure

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[Sioux]

I think we should have 4-5 dedicated scouts that watch every top 5 team in the first division. Every single game and drawing up a shortlist for every transfer window.

Beauty. Lets get the no marks from Scotland's lower leagues and forget about players like Allan, Gauld, Bogdan, Marciano....................etc etc.

[SquashedFrogg]

No I don't mate and not looking to argue with you at all...but their takes times argument is trotted out a lot on here and by Hibs too...yet we sit back and watch all our major rivals strengthen and we've weakened since 1st Jan.

Listen I hope you are bang on and we get 3 or 4 quality signings in before next Thurs I really do - let's see what happens but it needs to be a busy 6 days for us that's for sure

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I have no idea where we will be come end of Jan. I guess time will tell. If we don't significantly strengthen then I too will be frustrated. But until the window closes and we see what we have, I'm not going to misplace the spud over a situation I'm not privvy to.

[jeffers]

I have no idea. I merely put up a legitimate explanation as to why. Which, btw, isn't a myth. It happens with many transfers with players/clubs everywhere.

Ok then, explain to me precisely why players we have targeted haven't signed yet? You clearly know.

Purely guesswork but maybe at least with some of the targets we are being too optimistic in expecting them to sign for us ?

[flash]

You do enjoy sarcastic replies to posters genuinely concerned at the state of our squad and our season don't u - have you anything remotely worthwhile to bring to the discussion or just laugh at posters concerned about the state we are currently in???

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We are all concerned. Just some of us don't feel the need to make the same points 15 times a day.
Come the window closing we will all be able to discuss how things are looking.

[SquashedFrogg]

Purely guesswork but maybe at least with some of the targets we are being too optimistic in expecting them to sign for us ?

Possibly so mate. I have no doubt we could've signed ten players on Jan 1 if we wanted.

Perhaps we may be being over ambitious with our targets bssed on our wage structure?

[calumhibee1]

I'm with you btw. I think expectations play a part too sadly. Teams like Livingston, St Johnstone can allow players to grow, develop, make mistakes in the first team. Knock off the rough edges as it were.

Some of our fans would melt into a puddle if we were to do that.

We signed Cummings from Hutchison Vales youth team, he was very quickly starting games in the first team and the fans stuck by him. To say the fans wouldn’t accept it isn’t really true based on the only real recent example we have of a similar scenario. A much more extreme scenario infact as the jump JC made of juvenile to first team in the top tier at one of the biggest teams in the country in 6 months was a hell of a lot bigger than juniors to the Championship and playing for Livi.

[SquashedFrogg]

We signed Cummings from Hutchison Vales youth team, he was very quickly starting games in the first team and the fans stuck by him. To say the fans wouldn’t accept it isn’t really true based on the only real recent example we have of a similar scenario. A much more extreme scenario infact as the jump JC made of juvenile to first team in the top tier at one of the biggest teams in the country in 6 months was a hell of a lot bigger than juniors to the Championship and playing for Livi.

Cummings was at a pro club (debatable) before that and was very much identified as a talent from an early age. He wasnt some 'random' amateur.

Anyway, my point was that if we signed players from lower leagues they might not get the time, or breathing space to grow and develop as they would at clubs such as Livingston. Based on expectations.

[One Day Soon]

It's interesting listening to Gauld and Omeonga talking to Hibs TV - they both say that they were aware of Hibs' interest a long time before the deal was completed, which to be is clear, irrefutable evidence that the signings have been planned and identified some time back, and that Jobs were prepared to wait to get the player that they wanted.

Similarly, Scott Allan was signed on a pre-contact and we know that we are trying to get him in this window.

I would think that it would be reasonable to think that similar work is going into getting not just any old striker in, but one (or two) that we think will genuinely improve the team and are prepared to get those deals done rather than rush into a signing at a lower standard.


That's all just way too rational. You've barely bothered to bring along a pitchfork or light a single torch FFS.

Here's what I think is going to happen:

We're going to sign one or two more players this window - they'll be signed with an eye on quality and longer term strengthening of the team and squad, not just panic buys. Anyone who thinks the recruitment team don't know what they're doing or aren't trying properly either has an agenda or is letting their pain talk for them.

We'll rally to a degree in the remainder of the season as the new guys blend in. We might finish top 6 or we might not, that doesn't really matter in one sense because realistically this is now about next season. I pretty much don't care where we finish as long as it looks like we've found our mojo again and are heading the right way.

All of this was always going to happen one way or another after having the best midfield in the country gutted from us during the summer. A remarkably bad run of luck with injuries has just magnified that brutally.

Season tickets might drop - that depends on how we finish the season, not the position but the form and style.

Talk of penny pinching is, in my view, complete pi5h. Some of it seems to come from people with weird agendas of their own. Its hard to see how the signings we have made and the wages that some of these players will be on can be used to sustain the myth of penny pinching.

I hope Lennon stays and gets the time needed to complete the rebuild. Football clubs everywhere are littered with histories of managers not given enough time. LD isn't daft and she will know when to hang on to someone and when to let them go. She will also more broadly be making the right decisions for the club in the medium and long term, she knows what bad short-term management decisions have done to other clubs.

The Motherwell game, in my opinion, tells us little about what's coming in the next phase of Hibernian. I'll save judgment on that for when I see what we look like once the window is done and our team is reshaped in the games ahead

[calumhibee1]

Cummings was at a pro club (debatable) before that and was very much identified as a talent from an early age. He wasnt some 'random' amateur.

Anyway, my point was that if we signed players from lower leagues they might not get the time, or breathing space to grow and develop as they would at clubs such as Livingston. Based on expectations.

True, had forgot he was at Hearts before. Although Pittman was also a professional at Alloa before Broxburn.

Based on expectations at the club you’re maybe correct. I’m not quite sure the fans would have a meltdown at the concept though.

[B.H.F.C]

We'll rally to a degree in the remainder of the season as the new guys blend in. We might finish top 6 or we might not, that doesn't really matter in one sense because realistically this is now about next season. I pretty much don't care where we finish as long as it looks like we've found our mojo again and are heading the right way.


Saying that it’s ‘now about next season’ with 16 league games to go, plus the Scottish Cup, shows the state this current Hibs team is in.

At the start of the season it was all going to be all right once we got everyone up to speed. Then it moved on to being all right come January. Now it’ll be moving on to being all right next year. None of that is much good to those who have shelled out for a season ticket this year and likely the reason we’ll see a noticeable drop off on uptake next year.

[Ozyhibby]

All summer it was wait until the end of the window, we want to get the right players in and not just sign any old players. In the end we went into the season with too few strikers and signed another 33 year old after the window had closed.
It was a disgraceful window, very much like the pre relegation windows. With 6 days to go, the same can be heard. ‘Wait till the window is over’ the club are looking at the long term. They are not though. 2 loan signings is not looking at the long term.


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[SquashedFrogg]

True, had forgot he was at Hearts before. Although Pittman was also a professional at Alloa before Broxburn.

Based on expectations at the club you’re maybe correct. I’m not quite sure the fans would have a meltdown at the concept though.

Didn't realise he was pro at Alloa tbf. Thought they were also amature.

I think if it was the right player at the right time people would buy into it. Particularly with young players.

[SquashedFrogg]

That's all just way too rational. You've barely bothered to bring along a pitchfork or light a single torch FFS.

Here's what I think is going to happen:

We're going to sign one or two more players this window - they'll be signed with an eye on quality and longer term strengthening of the team and squad, not just panic buys. Anyone who thinks the recruitment team don't know what they're doing or aren't trying properly either has an agenda or is letting their pain talk for them.

We'll rally to a degree in the remainder of the season as the new guys blend in. We might finish top 6 or we might not, that doesn't really matter in one sense because realistically this is now about next season. I pretty much don't care where we finish as long as it looks like we've found our mojo again and are heading the right way.

All of this was always going to happen one way or another after having the best midfield in the country gutted from us during the summer. A remarkably bad run of luck with injuries has just magnified that brutally.

Season tickets might drop - that depends on how we finish the season, not the position but the form and style.

Talk of penny pinching is, in my view, complete pi5h. Some of it seems to come from people with weird agendas of their own. Its hard to see how the signings we have made and the wages that some of these players will be on can be used to sustain the myth of penny pinching.

I hope Lennon stays and gets the time needed to complete the rebuild. Football clubs everywhere are littered with histories of managers not given enough time. LD isn't daft and she will know when to hang on to someone and when to let them go. She will also more broadly be making the right decisions for the club in the medium and long term, she knows what bad short-term management decisions have done to other clubs.

The Motherwell game, in my opinion, tells us little about what's coming in the next phase of Hibernian. I'll save judgment on that for when I see what we look like once the window is done and our team is reshaped in the games ahead

Great post.

[J-C]

I think the major problem is Lennon still doesn't seem to know his best 11 or even what style and system they should be playing. Rotation of players in a squad is fairly common place nowadays and players are used to it but with Lennon it's the constant changing of our system, is it 3 at the back? a back 4? wide players? a diamond? 1 striker? 2 strikers? a DM? Then we have the bizarre playing players out of position like wednesday and bringing in players just to warm benches. The man management has been very poor this season, changing shape constantly so the players seem unsure what they are meant to be doing and the berating in public of your main players. The players we have are not a bad bunch as we've seen on a couple of occasions what they are capable of but as soon as we seem to get a team that looks good Lennon does his usual shuffling around and hey presto back to dross football.

[calumhibee1]

Didn't realise he was pro at Alloa tbf. Thought they were also amature.

I think if it was the right player at the right time people would buy into it. Particularly with young players.

Semi-pro is probably what Alloa would be classed as infact, apologies.

[flash]

Saying that it’s ‘now about next season’ with 16 league games to go, plus the Scottish Cup, shows the state this current Hibs team is in.

At the start of the season it was all going to be all right once we got everyone up to speed. Then it moved on to being all right come January. Now it’ll be moving on to being all right next year. None of that is much good to those who have shelled out for a season ticket this year and likely the reason we’ll see a noticeable drop off on uptake next year.

No we won't. Scott Allan is coming back. That's worth a season ticket alone.

[calumhibee1]

No we won't. Scott Allan is coming back. That's worth a season ticket alone.

I’d be stunned if there wasn’t a reasonable drop in ST next year unless there is a big turn around.

[flash]

I’d be stunned if there wasn’t a reasonable drop in ST next year unless there is a big turn around.

There will be an improvement after the window shuts. Quote me back if I am wrong.

[calumhibee1]

There will be an improvement after the window shuts. Quote me back if I am wrong.

Fingers crossed.

[SMAXXA]

That's all just way too rational. You've barely bothered to bring along a pitchfork or light a single torch FFS.

Here's what I think is going to happen:

We're going to sign one or two more players this window - they'll be signed with an eye on quality and longer term strengthening of the team and squad, not just panic buys. Anyone who thinks the recruitment team don't know what they're doing or aren't trying properly either has an agenda or is letting their pain talk for them.

We'll rally to a degree in the remainder of the season as the new guys blend in. We might finish top 6 or we might not, that doesn't really matter in one sense because realistically this is now about next season. I pretty much don't care where we finish as long as it looks like we've found our mojo again and are heading the right way.

All of this was always going to happen one way or another after having the best midfield in the country gutted from us during the summer. A remarkably bad run of luck with injuries has just magnified that brutally.

Season tickets might drop - that depends on how we finish the season, not the position but the form and style.

Talk of penny pinching is, in my view, complete pi5h. Some of it seems to come from people with weird agendas of their own. Its hard to see how the signings we have made and the wages that some of these players will be on can be used to sustain the myth of penny pinching.

I hope Lennon stays and gets the time needed to complete the rebuild. Football clubs everywhere are littered with histories of managers not given enough time. LD isn't daft and she will know when to hang on to someone and when to let them go. She will also more broadly be making the right decisions for the club in the medium and long term, she knows what bad short-term management decisions have done to other clubs.

The Motherwell game, in my opinion, tells us little about what's coming in the next phase of Hibernian. I'll save judgment on that for when I see what we look like once the window is done and our team is reshaped in the games ahead

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[SquashedFrogg]

Semi-pro is probably what Alloa would be classed as infact, apologies.

No apology required chief.

[SQHib]

dont think penny pinching is the correct phrase to use for our transfer strategy - however having taken in close to £3m in summer (sjm and Murray transfers) we have really undersold ourselves in who we have brought in since - spent fees on Horgan Mallan Kamberi and prob a signing on fee for Milligan and loan fee for mclaren - there must be something left surely in the kitty to get decent quality in before next Thursday ?

[flash]

Fingers crossed.

Calum, if there isn't I will be firmly in your camp.

[SquashedFrogg]

Saying that it’s ‘now about next season’ with 16 league games to go, plus the Scottish Cup, shows the state this current Hibs team is in.

At the start of the season it was all going to be all right once we got everyone up to speed. Then it moved on to being all right come January. Now it’ll be moving on to being all right next year. None of that is much good to those who have shelled out for a season ticket this year and likely the reason we’ll see a noticeable drop off on uptake next year.

To be honest if people aren't going to renew their STs because we are struggling a bit then I'd suggest watching Hibs isn't for them.

It's great many have piggy backed onto us after the cup win but if they look at our history they'll see this isn't a new situation.

[One Day Soon]

Saying that it’s ‘now about next season’ with 16 league games to go, plus the Scottish Cup, shows the state this current Hibs team is in.

At the start of the season it was all going to be all right once we got everyone up to speed. Then it moved on to being all right come January. Now it’ll be moving on to being all right next year. None of that is much good to those who have shelled out for a season ticket this year and likely the reason we’ll see a noticeable drop off on uptake next year.


The current transition is the current transition regardless of whether or not we say it is now about next season.

I've shelled out for a season ticket this year. I'll be doing the same for next year. Shelling out for a season ticket doesn't buy you a guarantee of success, it just gets you a seat at the show. I'm sorry that this season has been such a disappointment to this point but I can't say I'm that surprised after losing our outstanding midfield. A midfield it took four seasons and eight windows to put together in the first place and which you just won't replicate in two windows.

[Ronniekirk]

That's all just way too rational. You've barely bothered to bring along a pitchfork or light a single torch FFS.

Here's what I think is going to happen:

We're going to sign one or two more players this window - they'll be signed with an eye on quality and longer term strengthening of the team and squad, not just panic buys. Anyone who thinks the recruitment team don't know what they're doing or aren't trying properly either has an agenda or is letting their pain talk for them.

We'll rally to a degree in the remainder of the season as the new guys blend in. We might finish top 6 or we might not, that doesn't really matter in one sense because realistically this is now about next season. I pretty much don't care where we finish as long as it looks like we've found our mojo again and are heading the right way.

All of this was always going to happen one way or another after having the best midfield in the country gutted from us during the summer. A remarkably bad run of luck with injuries has just magnified that brutally.

Season tickets might drop - that depends on how we finish the season, not the position but the form and style.

Talk of penny pinching is, in my view, complete pi5h. Some of it seems to come from people with weird agendas of their own. Its hard to see how the signings we have made and the wages that some of these players will be on can be used to sustain the myth of penny pinching.

I hope Lennon stays and gets the time needed to complete the rebuild. Football clubs everywhere are littered with histories of managers not given enough time. LD isn't daft and she will know when to hang on to someone and when to let them go. She will also more broadly be making the right decisions for the club in the medium and long term, she knows what bad short-term management decisions have done to other clubs.

The Motherwell game, in my opinion, tells us little about what's coming in the next phase of Hibernian. I'll save judgment on that for when I see what we look like once the window is done and our team is reshaped in the games ahead

I am probably now resigned to this viewpoint ZBut even in the summer it will be another big reshaping with so many Loan players going.back to parent Club and Hibs needing to not renew contracts of players who are Injury prone
But at present even what the players press statements are saying is depressing stuff .Thierr seems no real conviction we are going to sort things out .St Mirren game will be very difficult as they will get right in our faces and it’s a tight ground ,so if we aren’t up for the fight it could be another difficult watch
Lennons tesm selection will rightly be under scrutiny, but he is constrained by the players at his disposal But this isn’t the time to be playing players out of position unless forced to and the new guy should not of been thrown straight in . Coming off the Bench would of eased him in .He I s still a young player ,as is Gauld . So we can’t expect them to change things in a couple of games
But Fans are rightly frustrated and concerned about the predicament we find ourselves in ,given our stated Overrall Player and Backroom Budget Budget
Last year newly finishing second raised expectations that we would build on that But realistically Lennon is right we were never going to be able in one window to bring in a complete midfield of the Quality we had
The problem highlighted though is the Midfield is now having to be totally revamped and Mallan himself a relatively young player is now looking nothing like the attacking threat he was at beginning of the Season as confidence will be low
I am all for constructive criticism but at present I think even the Management Tesm are probably struggling to see what’s our best team hence the constant chopping and changing
I don’t like the idea of writing off a Season this early but it’s where I am am now at and if we pick up and finish in top six that will be a bonus
But the Management Team have to be judged by who they bring in and how they fit or don’t fit into the Tesm .Thats what they are getting good money to do When they get it wrong our enjoyment of watching our team suffers
A few Quality signings could still see us go on an unbeaten run , but it’s wins We now need not draws Not winning can become a habit and at present we are struggling to break that Habit
But Sunday is another Opporunity and a scrappy win is all I am looking for to take pressure off the players

[HappyAsHellas]

The financial costs of bringing in young raw talented footballers nowadays is frightening. Chelsea are reputedly paying Feruz 10k a week, and clubs of that size have an incredible amount of youngsters. Between Man City and Chelsea alone they had over 80 players out on loan last season. To think that we can compete in a market such as this is sheer fantasy. Every now and again we will uncover a McGinn, but they will be few and far between. Arguably, once a player is performing at a decent level the task becomes even harder. Once we add in agents trying to flog their players to all and sundry, and undoubtedly telling them to hang on for a better deal then it's no surprise that signing someone is a rather tricky affair. Our recruitment over the last few seasons has actually been good, all things considered. Even then you still have the managers preferences to take into account, as I understand he has the final say.
To sum up, Hibs trying to bring in quality players at this stage of the season is nigh on impossible. We can hope and dream, but let's keep our feet on the ground as well.

[JimBHibees]

I agree. I can only guess that players we target are generally playing at a higher level (on more money) and also in demand from other clubs. Hence delay in players committing. Id suggest teams like Livingston, Motherwell, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone are picking up players who arent in this bracket and are desperate to take a step up in career.

Perhaps we need to start looking at more hungry, lower league players? Instead of 'marquee' type signings. I dunno.

I guess come end of Jan we will all know what the plan was.

Agree someone mentioned Chris Erskine half decent player but couldnt get a game in a team at bottom of the championship.

[The 90+2]

That's all just way too rational. You've barely bothered to bring along a pitchfork or light a single torch FFS.

Here's what I think is going to happen:

We're going to sign one or two more players this window - they'll be signed with an eye on quality and longer term strengthening of the team and squad, not just panic buys. Anyone who thinks the recruitment team don't know what they're doing or aren't trying properly either has an agenda or is letting their pain talk for them.

We'll rally to a degree in the remainder of the season as the new guys blend in. We might finish top 6 or we might not, that doesn't really matter in one sense because realistically this is now about next season. I pretty much don't care where we finish as long as it looks like we've found our mojo again and are heading the right way.

All of this was always going to happen one way or another after having the best midfield in the country gutted from us during the summer. A remarkably bad run of luck with injuries has just magnified that brutally.

Season tickets might drop - that depends on how we finish the season, not the position but the form and style.

Talk of penny pinching is, in my view, complete pi5h. Some of it seems to come from people with weird agendas of their own. Its hard to see how the signings we have made and the wages that some of these players will be on can be used to sustain the myth of penny pinching.

I hope Lennon stays and gets the time needed to complete the rebuild. Football clubs everywhere are littered with histories of managers not given enough time. LD isn't daft and she will know when to hang on to someone and when to let them go. She will also more broadly be making the right decisions for the club in the medium and long term, she knows what bad short-term management decisions have done to other clubs.

The Motherwell game, in my opinion, tells us little about what's coming in the next phase of Hibernian. I'll save judgment on that for when I see what we look like once the window is done and our team is reshaped in the games ahead

What actual planet are you on? It will be a financial disaster and utter failure not to finish top six. Why would you trust Lennon to build for next season based on what he’s produced this season knowing fine well McGinn McGeough and Ambrose at some point this season where not going to be there? The signings have been rank and the line ups baffling at best. One or two signings on loan when we all know we need about 5 is also shocking for a management that should have known what was needed by November.

[Austinho]

The financial costs of bringing in young raw talented footballers nowadays is frightening. Chelsea are reputedly paying Feruz 10k a week, and clubs of that size have an incredible amount of youngsters. Between Man City and Chelsea alone they had over 80 players out on loan last season. To think that we can compete in a market such as this is sheer fantasy. Every now and again we will uncover a McGinn, but they will be few and far between. Arguably, once a player is performing at a decent level the task becomes even harder. Once we add in agents trying to flog their players to all and sundry, and undoubtedly telling them to hang on for a better deal then it's no surprise that signing someone is a rather tricky affair. Our recruitment over the last few seasons has actually been good, all things considered. Even then you still have the managers preferences to take into account, as I understand he has the final say.
To sum up, Hibs trying to bring in quality players at this stage of the season is nigh on impossible. We can hope and dream, but let's keep our feet on the ground as well.It’s not like we are competing with Chelsea though. We are competing with Livingston and St Johnstone and are trailing them. With our budget we should be able to bring in better players than most clubs in our league and therefore perform on a higher level. We have failed to do that more often than not.

[col02]

I’d be stunned if there wasn’t a reasonable drop in ST next year unless there is a big turn around.

The Hibs from the last couple of seasons deserves a bit patience IMHO. This season so far has been disappointing but there is time to rectify that. A good cup run and wee winning run in the league would restore confidence.

[HappyAsHellas]

It’s not like we are competing with Chelsea though. We are competing with Livingston and St Johnstone and are trailing them. With our budget we should be able to bring in better players than most clubs in our league and therefore perform on a higher level. We have failed to do that more often than not.

Sorry, I just don't see that - yes we're behind them in the league but who have they signed that would be a guaranteed starter for us? Let's face it, if a player has these three clubs to choose from who do you think he'd sign for?

[B.H.F.C]

To be honest if people aren't going to renew their STs because we are struggling a bit then I'd suggest watching Hibs isn't for them.

It's great many have piggy backed onto us after the cup win but if they look at our history they'll see this isn't a new situation.

The club, in the modern era, have never had the backing we have now.

We should have been using that backing to make competing at the top end of the table the new normal. I don’t buy in to the attitude that we’ve always been fairly unsuccessful so we should just get on with it when that happens again.

[SquashedFrogg]

What actual planet are you on? It will be a financial disaster and utter failure not to finish top six. Why would you trust Lennon to build for next season based on what he’s produced this season knowing fine well McGinn McGeough and Ambrose at some point this season where not going to be there? The signings have been rank and the line ups baffling at best. One or two signings on loan when we all know we need about 5 is also shocking for a management that should have known what was needed by November.

Finacial disaster? How would it be a 'disaster'? Admin? Club folds?

The poster presented an articulate view and you're asking what planet he's on?

Disagree with their point by all means, but your opening gambit is poor.

[One Day Soon]

The Hibs from the last couple of seasons deserves a bit patience IMHO. This season so far has been disappointing but there is time to rectify that. A good cup run and wee winning run in the league would restore confidence.


That's true, particularly in this league in this season. In some respects all of the bigger teams are having a dodgy season.

Celtic should be running away with it but aren't. Rangers have spent money and should be serious challengers - but they aren't and sit just five or six points ahead of St Johnstone and Hearts. Aberdeen are in the mix but have been inconsistent at times and are a grinding team if anything. Hearts have gone supermarket bulk buying but are only 7 points ahead of us despite our form being dire.

Weird season.

[One Day Soon]

The club, in the modern era, have never had the backing we have now.

We should have been using that backing to make competing at the top end of the table the new normal. I don’t buy in to the attitude that we’ve always been fairly unsuccessful so we should just get on with it when that happens again.

I agree, I just think that losing that midfield meant we were always going to fall back for some period.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Sorry, I just don't see that - yes we're behind them in the league but who have they signed that would be a guaranteed starter for us? Let's face it, if a player has these three clubs to choose from who do you think he'd sign for?


They would sign for the club who paid the best wages?? Are you not contradicting your own argument? We are paying a lot more than St Johnstone and Livingston and getting a lot less back for it.

We probably pay better wages than Kilmarnock too?

[The 90+2]

Finacial disaster? How would it be a 'disaster'? Admin? Club folds?

The poster presented an articulate view and you're asking what planet he's on?

Disagree with their point by all means, but your opening gambit is poor.

Yes, one less derby and one other cat a match coupled with dwindling crowds and bottom 6 cash prize.

Okay, I apologise for the planet comment. I’ll rephrase that with saying the arguement of just writing off a season then backing the manager that has gotten us into this mess doesn’t make much sense at all.

[SquashedFrogg]

The club, in the modern era, have never had the backing we have now.

We should have been using that backing to make competing at the top end of the table the new normal. I don’t buy in to the attitude that we’ve always been fairly unsuccessful so we should just get on with it when that happens again.

Perhaps we should be near the top, perhaps we shouldn't. The fact is we're not. If people buy season tickets 'expecting' to be at the top of the table then they are going to be disappointed more often than not.

We've come a long way recently, people flapping and walking away when things aren't going well is unfortunate.

I've watched Hibs for 30+ years and the last few seasons have been some of the most exciting I've seen. Some people seem to forget how far we have come recently and manage their expectations a little and deal with a little disappointment.

[SquashedFrogg]

Yes, one less derby and one other cat a match coupled with dwindling crowds and bottom 6 cash prize.

Okay, I apologise for the planet comment. I’ll rephrase that with saying the arguement of just writing off a season then backing the manager that has gotten us into this mess doesn’t make much sense at all.

Fair dos. We can agree to disagree.

[The 90+2]

Fair dos. We can agree to disagree.

No bother mate 👍

[Shrekko]

The Hibs from the last couple of seasons deserves a bit patience IMHO. This season so far has been disappointing but there is time to rectify that. A good cup run and wee winning run in the league would restore confidence.

Totally this. It’s utterly embarrassing that everyone seems to assume the fans will disappear in droves at the first sign of trouble. Hibs fans are surely the most fickle in football.

It’s been a awful 2/3 months but deserting the team help? If you’re only prepared to support the club when is like last season you are supporting the wrong outfit.

[SHODAN]

We desert the team quickly because we expect it to go bad. Hearts and Aberdeen's don't because they're capable of this extremely unusual phenomenon called "having two good seasons in a row".

[The 90+2]

Totally this. It’s utterly embarrassing that everyone seems to assume the fans will disappear in droves at the first sign of trouble. Hibs fans are surely the most fickle in football.

It’s been a awful 2/3 months but deserting the team help? If you’re only prepared to support the club when is like last season you are supporting the wrong outfit.

We expect because it’s happened before.

[B.H.F.C]

Perhaps we should be near the top, perhaps we shouldn't. The fact is we're not. If people buy season tickets 'expecting' to be at the top of the table then they are going to be disappointed more often than not.

We've come a long way recently, people flapping and walking away when things aren't going well is unfortunate.

I've watched Hibs for 30+ years and the last few seasons have been some of the most exciting I've seen. Some people seem to forget how far we have come recently and manage their expectations a little and deal with a little disappointment.

If you’re failing to win most weeks, people won’t go. It’s always been like that. It took a monumental thing to get season tickets to the level we see these days. It won’t take nearly as much as that to lose them.

I agree that the last few years have been brilliant. However, this year is more like the Williamson years or something along those lines. Except the club are in a much stronger position with double the backing.

I don’t think people have unrealistic expectations in expecting us to be better than what we’ve seen this season. How far we’ve come is an irrelevance IMO. We’re in a very healthy position as a club but underperforming massively on the pitch just now.

[DetroitHibs]

I think fans will dwindle as many believe the club haven't invested enough in the squad. We can save that argument for another time, but don't think there's not a lot of fans that are pissed off with the recruitment side of things.

[BlackSheep]

I think fans will dwindle as many believe the club haven't invested enough in the squad. We can save that argument for another time, but don't think there's not a lot of fans that are pissed off with the recruitment side of things.

Its an interesting quandary to present as if the attendances and ST sales drop then there is less chance of added investment in the squad....

[jacomo]

The club, in the modern era, have never had the backing we have now.

We should have been using that backing to make competing at the top end of the table the new normal. I don’t buy in to the attitude that we’ve always been fairly unsuccessful so we should just get on with it when that happens again.


:agree:

I’ve said on another thread that I don’t think our preparations for this season were quite right. Player recruitment is a big part of that but not the whole story.

[hibsbollah]

Totally this. It’s utterly embarrassing that everyone seems to assume the fans will disappear in droves at the first sign of trouble. Hibs fans are surely the most fickle in football.

It’s been a awful 2/3 months but deserting the team help? If you’re only prepared to support the club when is like last season you are supporting the wrong outfit.

It's also wrong to pretend that ALL clubs attendances don't depend on success on the pitch. For a bog standard home game against a Hamilton or Ross County in 2014/2015 we were getting 7 or 8 thousand. Last few seasons you can count on 14 or 15 turning up. That is primarily due to the cup win. We all make choices.

[SHODAN]

Its an interesting quandary to present as if the attendances and ST sales drop then there is less chance of added investment in the squad....

When we went down we invested tons into the squad. The money is there, we just aren't willing to spend it.

[flash]

When we went down we invested tons into the squad. The money is there, we just aren't willing to spend it.

How many assumptions can one man make?

[cabbageandribs1875]

I think fans will dwindle as many believe the club haven't invested enough in the squad. We can save that argument for another time, but don't think there's not a lot of fans that are pissed off with the recruitment side of things.


we have invested in the squad, just maybe not the right choice

[Peevemor]

When we went down we invested tons into the squad. The money is there, we just aren't willing to spend it.

What absolute crap!

2017/18 Profit £200k
2016/17 Loss £277k
2015/16 Profit £200k
2014/15 Loss £840k
2013/14 Loss £800k

Where's all this money that we're not spending?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

To be honest if people aren't going to renew their STs because we are struggling a bit then I'd suggest watching Hibs isn't for them.

It's great many have piggy backed onto us after the cup win but if they look at our history they'll see this isn't a new situation.

Back to being patient again then? Maybe we need a 5 year plan.

[SquashedFrogg]

If you’re failing to win most weeks, people won’t go. It’s always been like that. It took a monumental thing to get season tickets to the level we see these days. It won’t take nearly as much as that to lose them.

I agree that the last few years have been brilliant. However, this year is more like the Williamson years or something along those lines. Except the club are in a much stronger position with double the backing.

I don’t think people have unrealistic expectations in expecting us to be better than what we’ve seen this season. How far we’ve come is an irrelevance IMO. We’re in a very healthy position as a club but underperforming massively on the pitch just now.

Agree we are underperforming. I agree people have an expectation to be doing better than we currently are this season.

I also understand the concept that crowds go up and down based on success. What goes up, must .....

I'm just at a loss at some of the absolutely catastrophic, panic ridden posts from some about our current predicament.

I guess some deal with disappointment in their lives better than others.

[BegbieHSC]

Honest opinions: will we sign Morgan or Allan this window?

I’m confident in the latter, but really not the former.

[hhibs]

The club, in the modern era, have never had the backing we have now.

We should have been using that backing to make competing at the top end of the table the new normal. I don’t buy in to the attitude that we’ve always been fairly unsuccessful so we should just get on with it when that happens again.



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[Centre Hawf]

Honest opinions: will we sign Morgan or Allan this window?

I’m confident in the latter, but really not the former.

Honest thought is we’ll maybe get Allan. Definitely can’t see Morgan.

[Shrekko]

It's also wrong to pretend that ALL clubs attendances don't depend on success on the pitch. For a bog standard home game against a Hamilton or Ross County in 2014/2015 we were getting 7 or 8 thousand. Last few seasons you can count on 14 or 15 turning up. That is primarily due to the cup win. We all make choices.

We do all make choices but Hibs fans are good at demanding this and that yet a huge percentage seem willing to fall off the wagon quite easily.

It’s true that teams get bigger crowds when they’re doing well but my opinion is that at other clubs the differential isn’t as vast.

I agree it’s up to everyone whether they turn up or leave early like half our fans do but it still doesn’t help the club regardless.

[One Day Soon]

Agree we are underperforming. I agree people have an expectation to be doing better than we currently are this season.

I also understand the concept that crowds go up and down based on success. What goes up, must .....

I'm just at a loss at some of the absolutely catastrophic, panic ridden posts from some about our current predicament.

I guess some deal with disappointment in their lives better than others.


It's tough to take, particularly when we had the spectacular high of winning the cup so recently. Understandable that people are not happy.

And then there are the exclusive few gagging to get stuck in at any opportunity, for them this is nirvana.

[flash]

Back to being patient again then? Maybe we need a 5 year plan.

A one week plan until we see who comes in seems beyond most on here.

[One Day Soon]

A one week plan until we see who comes in seems beyond most on here.

:shhhsh!:

[allmodcons]

It's tough to take, particularly when we had the spectacular high of winning the cup so recently. Understandable that people are not happy.

And then there are the exclusive few gagging to get stuck in at any opportunity, for them this is nirvana.

I really can't my head around "the exclusive few". It's like they love having something to beat the Club with. IMO they struggle when we're doing well.

[The 90+2]

It's tough to take, particularly when we had the spectacular high of winning the cup so recently. Understandable that people are not happy.

And then there are the exclusive few gagging to get stuck in at any opportunity, for them this is nirvana.

You peddle the second paragraph all the time - for what I read people sorry, more and more posters are becoming increasingly concerned at the state the team finds itself in and know past history shows what happens when the product on the pitch is rotten. No point sticking fingers in ears denying nothing is wrong and just be patient it will get better when there’s little evidence to back this. Our league form is a disgrace as is our league position. There’s no excuse.

[The 90+2]

A one week plan until we see who comes in seems beyond most on here.

The magical last few days of the window that sets us up brilliantly towards the end of the season like that season erm never.

[calumhibee1]

I really can't my head around "the exclusive few". It's like they love having something to beat the Club with. IMO they struggle when we're doing well.

Aye, folk are delighted. :confused:

I’d suggest that if you look at the posters you’re aiming that at then the vast majority will be positive if there’s something to be positive about - maybe check the Scott Allan signing thread. There’s hardly anything on the pitch to be positive about right now however so people won’t be positive.

[flash]

The magical last few days of the window that sets us up brilliantly towards the end of the season like that season erm never.

Last season is the one you are looking for. That wasn't so difficult was it.

[The 90+2]

Last season is the one you are looking for. That wasn't so difficult was it.

Allan and Kamberi after a 2 week trial? You think Allan and another striker this season will change this team completely? No we need at least 5 in.

[flash]

Allan and Kamberi after a 2 week trial? You think Allan and another striker this season will change this team completely? No we need at least 5 in.

I think Allan and a good striker would make a massive difference.

[matty_f]

The magical last few days of the window that sets us up brilliantly towards the end of the season like that season erm never.

Have you forgotten last season already?

[matty_f]

Allan and Kamberi after a 2 week trial? You think Allan and another striker this season will change this team completely? No we need at least 5 in.

We've got two in already, do you think we'll leave it there?

[JimBHibees]

The magical last few days of the window that sets us up brilliantly towards the end of the season like that season erm never.

Last season did.

[The 90+2]

Last season did.

Last season we added to an already good squad and team. This season our squad is a shambles and we have 6 days to bring in a lot of quality to have any slim hope of saving the season.

[The 90+2]

We've got two in already, do you think we'll leave it there?

We need 4 or 5 more of quality.

[allmodcons]

Last season we added to an already good squad and team. This season our squad is a shambles and we have 6 days to bring in a lot of quality to have any slim hope of saving the season.


This is what irks me. We have issues for a variety of reasons but comments like this are just ridiculously over the top.