Thoughts on the manager

[JohnM1875]

I know stats don't win games though unbelievable today that we had 71% possession and something like 13/6 shots , 13 corners and their only 2 shots in target are goals . Is it all the defence though ? , I thought today both Marcondes and Newell were really poor . Expecting more from our captain in leadership , drive etc , only bright spark for me in midfield was NMW . Though as bad as a result as it is maybe with the possession , shots being positive if we recruit well in the summer we could turn things around next season.

Was buzzing for the game today, my prediction of 4-0 in the weekly predictions league will tell you as much. I always am when it comes close to game day. But after the first 15-20 minutes I can honestly say I'm not a bit surprised we ended up losing that.

I thought we'd come out like we did against Livi and go for it. We absolutely did not, probably why we had 71% possession. Fannying about with it going side to side without missing a player out. Sick to ****ing death of it if I'm honest.

That's his tactics. He want's to build possession and draw teams out, but when that team doesn't budge and won't be drawn out he's ****ed. Doesn't have a clue what to do or how to counter that.

[Real Emerald]

Was buzzing for the game today, my prediction of 4-0 in the weekly predictions league will tell you as much. I always am when it comes close to game day. But after the first 15-20 minutes I can honestly say I'm not a bit surprised we ended up losing that.

I thought we'd come out like we did against Livi and go for it. We absolutely did not, probably why we had 71% possession. Fannying about with it going side to side without missing a player out. Sick to ****ing death of it if I'm honest.

That's his tactics. He want's to build possession and draw teams out, but when that team doesn't budge and won't be drawn out he's ****ed. Doesn't have a clue what to do or how to counter that.

He reads coaching manuals and has no clue how real football works. Sooner we get rid the better.

[matty_f]

Levein took over a St Johnstone that couldn't score and couldn't buy a win. I think he's had one transfer window as well.

He's beaten Monty's Hibs twice with a squad that probably collectively don't earn what our top three earners get collectively.

Time and time again he's coming up short, it's not bad luck and the worry for me (and it should worry Kensell and McDermott) is that Monty got worse the longer her worked with the team pre-January, got an initial lift and now he's had the chance to work with them longer we're regressing again. That's not a trend that you can sustain.

[mcfly]

Neil lennon is not the answer he had us playing worse and lower in the league people seem to forget

So you’d rather stick with Montgomery - his football is so boring - he’s a nice guy but taken us back years - dreadful defence and boring bottom 6 football

Lennon had Easter road full- not perfect but at least we had identity. Club just now is going nowhere

[mcfly]

Levein took over a St Johnstone that couldn't score and couldn't buy a win. I think he's had one transfer window as well.

He's beaten Monty's Hibs twice with a squad that probably collectively don't earn what our top three earners get collectively.

Time and time again he's coming up short, it's not bad luck and the worry for me (and it should worry Kensell and McDermott) is that Monty got worse the longer her worked with the team pre-January, got an initial lift and now he's had the chance to work with them longer we're regressing again. That's not a trend that you can sustain.

Totally agree - cut your losses and let him go.

[K-Zazu]

What was the point in the whole Dubai trip? Is to make the players fitter as the season goes on? Complete waste of money.

[cammy1969]

So you’d rather stick with Montgomery - his football is so boring - he’s a nice guy but taken us back years - dreadful defence and boring bottom 6 football

Lennon had Easter road full- not perfect but at least we had identity. Club just now is going nowhere

Have u blocked out his last 6 months at club I can’t be only one who gave up season ticket


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[Steve-O]

I know stats don't win games though unbelievable today that we had 71% possession and something like 13/6 shots , 13 corners and their only 2 shots in target are goals . Is it all the defence though ? , I thought today both Marcondes and Newell were really poor . Expecting more from our captain in leadership , drive etc , only bright spark for me in midfield was NMW . Though as bad as a result as it is maybe with the possession , shots being positive if we recruit well in the summer we could turn things around next season.

The chances that we allow teams tend to be clear cut and if the effort is on target there’s a good chance it’s beating Marshall.

[JohnM1875]

The chances that we allow teams tend to be clear cut and if the effort is on target there’s a good chance it’s beating Marshall.

I haven't seen the second goal back yet, but it trickled in. Reminded me of the shots the bairns were taking into Sunshine at HT. At least Sunshine saved a few...

[WestCoastHibby]

Finally after sailing the good ship WCH through some years of financial hardship, I’m in the position of being able to afford a season ticket. But why would I??
The complete and utter tripe that has been going on for years has me at a low ebb.
Get him gone and I’m back, NM is not up to the task. End of story

[Chorley Hibee]

I haven't seen the second goal back yet, but it trickled in. Reminded me of the shots the bairns were taking into Sunshine at HT. At least Sunshine saved a few...

Whilst not a glaring error, his reaction was incredibly slow and his dive was in stages (again).

He's finished.

[BILLYHIBS]

Whilst not a glaring error, his reaction was incredibly slow and his dive was in stages (again).

He's finished.

:agree:

Just needs a man on both posts to boot the danger away 1970’s style simples !

Zonal bonal :greengrin

Monty out !

[bingo70]

Finally after sailing the good ship WCH through some years of financial hardship, I’m in the position of being able to afford a season ticket. But why would I??
The complete and utter tripe that has been going on for years has me at a low ebb.
Get him gone and I’m back, NM is not up to the task. End of story

Why would you? Because if you want to support a team that wins every week, there’s a couple on your doorstep that would accommodate you I’m sure.

Supporting Hibs there’ll be some good, some bad and lots of indifferent seasons. This one certainly doesn’t fall into the good category but we must be due one soon, surely 😂

If purchasing a season ticket is dependant on us replacing Montgomery, I wouldn’t bother in all honesty, even if we get his replacement right, a bad season won’t be too far away.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I think the problem Monty is having he’s not built credit in the bank to sustain him.
Folks have stopped listening. Inflexibility and inability to shore up the back was his undoing.

If we are to change there’s no guarantees - similarly if we stick.

Are we stuck in purgatory?

So listening to Sportsound last week re Aberdeens hunt the same applies for us.

They suggested it’s either “the usual suspects” who know their way around the Scottish game (purgatory for me ) or someone from the lower English leagues (they don’t know the scottish game by and large) or foreign (same).

for us now I suppose there’s the Foley dimension. But it’s looking bleak. It’s insane.
But Aberdeen (with the exception of MacInnes and Paw Broon) have found it a real ball ache.
Maybe Scottish football will not develop at a faster rate when you have teams that are setup the way they are to primarily negate rather than create.

[WhileTheChief..]

Neil lennon is not the answer he had us playing worse and lower in the league people seem to forget

We had our best ever finish in the league under Lennon though. Why are we all ignoring that and only focussing on the last 6 moths he was with us?

At least we had some good times. We've had none of those since Jack Ross left. None.

[LeithMike]

We had our best ever finish in the league under Lennon though. Why are we all ignoring that and only focussing on the last 6 moths he was with us?

At least we had some good times. We've had none of those since Jack Ross left. None.

He also managed to destroy Celtic and lose to Gerard’s Rangers (who has since been found out). For what it’s worth I really liked Lennon and 2017-18 has been the most enjoyable season for me. That said he did inherit a very good team from Stubbs (he did make them better though).

He has one style of management though and that’s being pretty hard on players - fine if you don’t lose a lot (like at Celtic but as John Kennedy pointed out not so much at Hibs).

Maybe if he has matured and mellowed a bit but not sure he has and think for his own health he’s probably better as a pundit (and a very good one at that).


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[DIXIHIBS]

Another consideration for the board when considering the managers position must be ST sales. No idea how many have renewed but I'd be surprised if it wasn't considerably down on this season. Can't be many non ST holders looking at Hibs right now and wanting to sign up. Many current ST will be stalling on renewing if they think we're getting more of the same next season. I get the reasons for sticking with the manager to get some continuity etc but Monty isn't the answer for me. Get someone in now to evaluate the squad, get transfer window and a pre season.

[Jones28]

We had our best ever finish in the league under Lennon though. Why are we all ignoring that and only focussing on the last 6 moths he was with us?

At least we had some good times. We've had none of those since Jack Ross left. None.

Because we had the Scotland and Aston Villa captain in our midfield along with Scott Allan and DM, as soon as that midfield was broken up it went really wrong really fast.

He joined us when we were riding the crest of a wave, I have absolutely no faith Lennon could turn a team around who are where we are at the moment.

[Brightside]

Neil lennon is not the answer he had us playing worse and lower in the league people seem to forget

Neil Lennon and Malky Mackay. Jesus H.

[eastmainsmsh]

We had our best ever finish in the league under Lennon though. Why are we all ignoring that and only focussing on the last 6 moths he was with us?

At least we had some good times. We've had none of those since Jack Ross left. None.

The problem was that board wouldn’t back Lennon to where he wanted to take us to

[Paulie Walnuts]

Because we had the Scotland and Aston Villa captain in our midfield along with Scott Allan and DM, as soon as that midfield was broken up it went really wrong really fast.

He joined us when we were riding the crest of a wave, I have absolutely no faith Lennon could turn a team around who are where we are at the moment.

Agree with this.

I loved Lennon at Hibs. It was potentially my favourite time as a Hibs fan and I think he was the right man at the right time. If it felt like he was the right man at the right time again just now then I’d take him back in a heartbeat. I don’t think that’s the case now though.

[Brightside]

Lennon can’t get a job for begging. There is a reason for that

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Another consideration for the board when considering the managers position must be ST sales. No idea how many have renewed but I'd be surprised if it wasn't considerably down on this season. Can't be many non ST holders looking at Hibs right now and wanting to sign up. Many current ST will be stalling on renewing if they think we're getting more of the same next season. I get the reasons for sticking with the manager to get some continuity etc but Monty isn't the answer for me. Get someone in now to evaluate the squad, get transfer window and a pre season.

The board have played a blinder in the last couple of seasons by bringing forward the 'seat release date', they can say the Early bird to get a discount is by 1st May, but anybody, like myself and thousands others who had held the same seat for years, had to renew by 29th March to guarantee the same seat not knowing how the season will end, well done guys, its like a form of emotional blackmail.

If we do finish bottom 6, then I wouldn't be surprised if there is strong motion from the Foley regime for there to be change from the top (Kensell!!) to the management to the playing staff. A lot of changes afoot in the summer. Foley said before even investing that a small investment should ensure European qualification, he's not going to accept a team who finishes in the bottom half of the league.

[Since452]

Said on another thread but I'm craving a box office type appointment to create excitement and a bit of buzz. Hibs are flat at the moment and Montgomery has nothing about him. Boring and bland with zero aura or charisma. Like him or not Lennon brought that. Im not saying bring Lennon back, he's yesterday's man but would love a "wow" type appointment not another guy who makes you think "who?"

[mcfly]

What big win have we had this season?

Hammered every time by rangers
Can’t beat hearts

Top 6 is not even in our own hands.

Dreadful season again. Hibs on the pitch are very very poor.

Massive changes needed. But yet another rebuild and that takes money.

Other clubs have stability - we need that but we need a good manager

[MWHIBBIES]

I find the idea that Joe Newell has kept the manager in a job mind boggling.

He started the season well. He’s had good games at points. But it’s another failing team with Joe Newell being central to it. But he’s never the problem.

He absolutely isn't THE problem. He has poor games. He has many more good ones.

Our ***** recruitment under Kensell and Gordon are THE problem. Joe is one of our best players. Until he's one of our worst ones, he won't be replaced. Sign better and replace him, I'd be delighted. But we are not doing that. Marcondes isn't better. NMW isn't better. The likes of Jeggo, Campbell, Gogic, JDH certainly aren't better.

[easty]

Levein took over a St Johnstone that couldn't score and couldn't buy a win. I think he's had one transfer window as well.

He's beaten Monty's Hibs twice with a squad that probably collectively don't earn what our top three earners get collectively.

Time and time again he's coming up short, it's not bad luck and the worry for me (and it should worry Kensell and McDermott) is that Monty got worse the longer her worked with the team pre-January, got an initial lift and now he's had the chance to work with them longer we're regressing again. That's not a trend that you can sustain.

Levein got a better tune out of a piss poor St Johnstone squad the minute he took that job.

He didn’t try to shoehorn players into positions or styles of play that they couldn’t play. He just looked at what he had and set them up accordingly.

Aye they’ve still had ***** results, but they literally are a terrible side. He’s got more out of them than the average manager would.

Compare that to what we’ve had to endure…

[One Day Soon]

He absolutely isn't THE problem. He has poor games. He has many more good ones.

Our ***** recruitment under Kensell and Gordon are THE problem. Joe is one of our best players. Until he's one of our worst ones, he won't be replaced. Sign better and replace him, I'd be delighted. But we are not doing that. Marcondes isn't better. NMW isn't better. The likes of Jeggo, Campbell, Gogic, JDH certainly aren't better.

The notion that our primary problem isn’t the defence is just bizarre. I think we’re not good enough all over the park but the massive gaping hole in the side of the ship is that defence. Not improving who we have there or alternatively bringing in better is one of the three main reasons I think Montgomery just isn’t up to it.

[ChuckNor]

Getting the feeling he’s losing the staff and players. His stubbornness and loyalty to certain players has been noted. The treatment of Hanlon and Stevenson by him and his assistants has also been particularly unpopular.

The Hanlon and Stevenson point is of interest. Hanlon is widely considered among the playing staff as the best centre back we have. Many were bemused we started a 16 year old at right back instead of Stevenson.

[oneone73]

We had our best ever finish in the league under Lennon though. Why are we all ignoring that and only focussing on the last 6 moths he was with us?
Best ever? How old are you, 12? We finished fourth.

[MWHIBBIES]

We had our best ever finish in the league under Lennon though. Why are we all ignoring that and only focussing on the last 6 moths he was with us?

At least we had some good times. We've had none of those since Jack Ross left. None.

Hibs have won the league you know that right?

[J-C]

Getting the feeling he’s losing the staff and players. His stubbornness and loyalty to certain players has been noted. The treatment of Hanlon and Stevenson by him and his assistants has also been particularly unpopular.

The Hanlon and Stevenson point is of interest. Hanlon is widely considered among the playing staff as the best centre back we have. Many were bemused we started a 16 year old at right back instead of Stevenson.

I take it you mean Sergio our ex youth coach and now his right hand man, he seems to have a lot to say for himself.

[Jones28]

Agree with this.

I loved Lennon at Hibs. It was potentially my favourite time as a Hibs fan and I think he was the right man at the right time. If it felt like he was the right man at the right time again just now then I’d take him back in a heartbeat. I don’t think that’s the case now though.

Likewise, anyone denying that the first season back in the top flight was anything other than brilliant, despite missing out on fourth, wants their head examining.

It’s what happened after that though, it was remarkable how quickly and spectacularly we went from that to where we ended up.

[Hibees1973]

There was nothing unbelievable about today.

If you watch Hibs regularly you know that teams need to do very little to score against us and that we don’t win very often. That was the case, again, today. The winning goal summed up our season.

Correct.

Opposition sides just need to sit in and be organised. Montgomery said post match it was St Johnstone with 10 men behind the ball. It was a Levein side, did he not expect this? If you remain patient our centre backs at some point will make a stupid decision and will concede. Triantis and Bushiri for the first goal yesterday were disgraceful. Triantis positioning was naive and Bushiri looked like he was pulling a caravan running back.

Recruitment for central defenders for the last few years has been abysmal.

Montgomery wanted Triantis. That's a sackable offence.

[bingo70]

Said on another thread but I'm craving a box office type appointment to create excitement and a bit of buzz. Hibs are flat at the moment and Montgomery has nothing about him. Boring and bland with zero aura or charisma. Like him or not Lennon brought that. Im not saying bring Lennon back, he's yesterday's man but would love a "wow" type appointment not another guy who makes you think "who?"

Love that 😃

I’ve not heard anything and certainly not itk but I wonder how people would react to someone with masses of experience but none in Scottish football. One of the big names that throw their hat in the ring all the time but never get the job, a Nevio Scala type that nearly joined Hearts a few years back.

Would people still crave a McInnes or a Robinson or would historical success in a top league elsewhere trump a good knowledge of Scottish football?

[WhileTheChief..]

Best ever? How old are you, 12? We finished fourth.

I couldn't be assed typing out since the spfl was formed or any other bs, but there you go. Was kinda obvious to everyone else.

[WhileTheChief..]

Hibs have won the league you know that right?

How many lifetimes ago?!

[jonny]

Correct.

Opposition sides just need to sit in and be organised. Montgomery said post match it was St Johnstone with 10 men behind the ball. It was a Levein side, did he not expect this? If you remain patient our centre backs at some point will make a stupid decision and will concede. Triantis and Bushiri for the first goal yesterday were disgraceful. Triantis positioning was naive and Bushiri looked like he was pulling a caravan running back.

Recruitment for central defenders for the last few years has been abysmal.

Montgomery wanted Triantis. That's a sackable offence.

Completely agree regarding Triantis. I actually quite like Moriah-Welsh and can't believe Triantis is keeping him out of our midfield.

The centre of defence has been an issue for a long time and has never been addressed. They seem to consistently have moments of complete lapses in concentration.

[easty]

I couldn't be assed typing out since the spfl was formed or any other bs, but there you go. Was kinda obvious to everyone else.

Even that’s wrong though. We’ve had a better league position since Lennon left, under Ross.

[WhileTheChief..]

Even that’s wrong though. We’ve had a better league position since Lennon left, under Ross.

Didn't Lennon get us to our record points tally? I'm going with that :greengrin

Whatever happened during Lennon's time, it was infinitely better than what he've had the last few years.

Forget about stats and results for a minute, think bout how you felt going to games then and now? There's a world of difference to me and I want some excitement back.

Not gonna happen with NM.

[Stuart93]

For me, NM seems to be getting an easier time of it than what Maloney/Hecky/LJ got despite things being just as bad, if not worse than their record.

And for me, NM has a better team to choose from at his disposal especially post January.

If we do end up bottom 6 I just don’t see how he keeps his job for the summer.

[MWHIBBIES]

Didn't Lennon get us to our record points tally? I'm going with that :greengrin

Whatever happened during Lennon's time, it was infinitely better than what he've had the last few years.

Forget about stats and results for a minute, think bout how you felt going to games then and now? There's a world of difference to me and I want some excitement back.

Not gonna happen with NM.

Steve Clarke equalled that tally 12 months later with Eamon brophy and Allan power. It wasn't some incredible achievement. It was good, and fun to watch. Ross, Mowbray, AM all achieved better

[TrinityHibby]

What big win have we had this season?

Hammered every time by rangers
Can’t beat hearts

Top 6 is not even in our own hands.

Dreadful season again. Hibs on the pitch are very very poor.

Massive changes needed. But yet another rebuild and that takes money.

Other clubs have stability - we need that but we need a good manager

100% correct…….our managerial selection criteria appears to be based on lack of relevant experience and inexpensive…..please sign here 😡

[Alex Trager]

Love that 😃

I’ve not heard anything and certainly not itk but I wonder how people would react to someone with masses of experience but none in Scottish football. One of the big names that throw their hat in the ring all the time but never get the job, a Nevio Scala type that nearly joined Hearts a few years back.

Would people still crave a McInnes or a Robinson or would historical success in a top league elsewhere trump a good knowledge of Scottish football?
It’s not currently the best time to use this example but Clemante is showing that you don’t need that Scottish experience.

So too Rodgers.

That said, both these teams have outstanding budgets so perhaps not that great an example.

I’m having a conversation with myself but, Clemante showed he could get a better tune out of the same players that Beale was guff with.

So in fact, I am back to my original point, yes you can be a success without Scottish football knowledge.

[JimBHibees]

What big win have we had this season?

Hammered every time by rangers
Can’t beat hearts

Top 6 is not even in our own hands.

Dreadful season again. Hibs on the pitch are very very poor.

Massive changes needed. But yet another rebuild and that takes money.

Other clubs have stability - we need that but we need a good manager

St Mirren at home league cup quarter final, Aberdeen in league.

[Keepthefaith]

Getting the feeling he’s losing the staff and players. His stubbornness and loyalty to certain players has been noted. The treatment of Hanlon and Stevenson by him and his assistants has also been particularly unpopular.

The Hanlon and Stevenson point is of interest. Hanlon is widely considered among the playing staff as the best centre back we have. Many were bemused we started a 16 year old at right back instead of Stevenson.

you're having a laugh here - Hanlon and Stevenson whilst having had their good moments for Hibs were quite rightly identified as weak links in the defence, something which Monty addressed by dropping them and that was acknowledged by folk on here as a positive. it's unfortunate that we didn't then recruit a more robust central defender but Hanlon and Stevenson are not the answer - you do realise Hanlon played 3 out of 4 games in January when we had that poor run? also played in the defeat against st Johnstone away? you're stirring to suit your own agenda stating your own opinion as fact, grow up eh?

Lewis struggles positionally at the best of times, playing him as a right back was not the answer. however you do highlight the challenges Monty had with the squad with both Madden and Miller out, so maybe give him a bit of a break there instead of slagging him?!

[Liberal Hibby]

It’s not currently the best time to use this example but Clemante is showing that you don’t need that Scottish experience.

So too Rodgers.

That said, both these teams have outstanding budgets so perhaps not that great an example.

I’m having a conversation with myself but, Clemante showed he could get a better tune out of the same players that Beale was guff with.

So in fact, I am back to my original point, yes you can be a success without Scottish football knowledge.

Exactly. Was about to post similar. :not worth

[WhileTheChief..]

Steve Clarke equalled that tally 12 months later with Eamon brophy and Allan power. It wasn't some incredible achievement. It was good, and fun to watch. Ross, Mowbray, AM all achieved better

I'd e happy with any of them as manager.

They, including Lennon, were all better than the last three.

[blackpoolhibs]

To date I have been supportive of him. I like him and like his straight talking, especially after the clown he replaced. But after today, no. Sorry but it’s now a no from me, I don’t want him managing Foley’s investment.

The clown he replaced is a better manager than him, let that sink in, LJ is a better manager than the one we replaced him with. :faf:

Saying that, we do seem to make a habit of doing it. :boo hoo:

[Winston Ingram]

To date I have been supportive of him. I like him and like his straight talking, especially after the clown he replaced. But after today, no. Sorry but it’s now a no from me, I don’t want him managing Foley’s investment.

Lee Johnson is 10x the manager this clown will ever be. This’ll be his last job in this country and he’ll skulk back to oz and return to managing in a pub league.

[Bridge hibs]

Lee Johnson is 10x the manager this clown will ever be. This’ll be his last job in this country and he’ll skulk back to oz and return to managing in a pub league.

10x ? ****ing hell 🤣

[Keepthefaith]

Lee Johnson is 10x the manager this clown will ever be. This’ll be his last job in this country and he’ll skulk back to oz and return to managing in a pub league.

and where did LJ go after us and where is he now? absolutely ridiculous statement, LJ had no tactics, threw the players under the bus to save himself, consistently played players out of position.

Monty of course needs to improve, but to say he's a lesser manager than LJ is just crazy. IMO we actually played well against Celtic and Rangers (cup game) at home and played very well against hearts at Tynie. three of our biggest games of the season and we were very hard done by IMO. to keep getting punished by the only chances other teams have against us is hugely painful and that combined with a lack of clinical finishing is what is costing us. to suggest we're a poor team isn't accurate but we have underperformed and should be doing better. doesn't mean the manager doesn't have potential to build a strong side for next season though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

hope NM doesn't read this thread, some deserved criticism but some of the name calling, nah

[SaulGoodman]

Lee Johnson is 10x the manager this clown will ever be. This’ll be his last job in this country and he’ll skulk back to oz and return to managing in a pub league.

Just because our current manager is **** it doesn’t make our previous equally **** manager any better.

[Winston Ingram]

and where did LJ go after us and where is he now? absolutely ridiculous statement, LJ had no tactics, threw the players under the bus to save himself, consistently played players out of position.

Monty of course needs to improve, but to say he's a lesser manager than LJ is just crazy. IMO we actually played well against Celtic and Rangers (cup game) at home and played very well against hearts at Tynie. three of our biggest games of the season and we were very hard done by IMO. to keep getting punished by the only chances other teams have against us is hugely painful and that combined with a lack of clinical finishing is what is costing us. to suggest we're a poor team isn't accurate but we have underperformed and should be doing better. doesn't mean the manager doesn't have potential to build a strong side for next season though.

LJ has managed over 500 games as a manager. He’s done well in numerous jobs.

He will get nowhere near that number. He’s been here nearly 8 months and has failed to demonstrate a single thing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

[Iain G]

The clown he replaced is a better manager than him, let that sink in, LJ is a better manager than the one we replaced him with. :faf:

Saying that, we do seem to make a habit of doing it. :boo hoo:

That may just be the biggest load of bollox I have ever read on Hibs.net 🤣

[Keepthefaith]

LJ has managed over 500 games as a manager. He’s done well in numerous jobs.

He will get nowhere near that number. He’s been here nearly 8 months and has failed to demonstrate a single thing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

you're just making outlandish statements for the sake of it now. to predict what will or won't happen in his career as some sort of fact is just downright daft. failed to demonstrate a single thing?



he's identified that we needed to replace lewis and paul
he's improved the midfield and moved on many players who simply weren't good enough
he's introduced a style of play that he believes will be successful in the long term
he's improved players that were here
he's attracted a quality of player in Maolida and Marcondes that we could never have attracted before
he's looked to promote youth


I'm not saying he's perfect at all. i'e consistently said he needs to learn from his mistakes and is still IMO a manager with potential, I just don't accept that its the right thing to sack him and start over again. we know he's had success previously both as a coach and as a manager (albeit you and others on here devalue that due to it being in Australia). there's many examples of managers who have initially struggled in posts and then when given time done well. there's equally many examples of experienced managers who've been brought in after a "rookie" and totally flopped too.

to be so absolutist in your argument just devalues your opinion in not being taken seriously

[LaMotta]

That may just be the biggest load of bollox I have ever read on Hibs.net 🤣

He's right though.

[Lancs Harp]

He's right though.

lj and Monty? Bit of a 0-0 draw for me.

[easty]

He's right though.

Absolutely

[LaMotta]

lj and Monty? Bit of a 0-0 draw for me.

LJ had some good results and performances in important games. There hasn't been one great result or performance under Monty. LJ's ingame decision making was also better and despite being a slaver, he was a far better communicator than Monty.

[Winston Ingram]

you're just making outlandish statements for the sake of it now. to predict what will or won't happen in his career as some sort of fact is just downright daft. failed to demonstrate a single thing?



he's identified that we needed to replace lewis and paul
he's improved the midfield and moved on many players who simply weren't good enough
he's introduced a style of play that he believes will be successful in the long term
he's improved players that were here
he's attracted a quality of player in Maolida and Marcondes that we could never have attracted before
he's looked to promote youth


I'm not saying he's perfect at all. i'e consistently said he needs to learn from his mistakes and is still IMO a manager with potential, I just don't accept that its the right thing to sack him and start over again. we know he's had success previously both as a coach and as a manager (albeit you and others on here devalue that due to it being in Australia). there's many examples of managers who have initially struggled in posts and then when given time done well. there's equally many examples of experienced managers who've been brought in after a "rookie" and totally flopped too.

to be so absolutist in your argument just devalues your opinion in not being taken seriously

What a load of waffle that is. Who has he improved? The style football he has introduced is not working in the slightest. He has introduced youth and where’s it got us?

Our scouting department found him a couple of decent midfielders but he still can’t win games.

The problem area our team is our defence. He said at the start of the window, we needed an experienced centre half. Who did he choose? He 20 year old mate from the pub league.

[Winston Ingram]

He's right though.

Yep

[jeffers]

Monty v Johnson is like debating whether it’s better to stand in horse **** or dug ****.

[NC1875]

That may just be the biggest load of bollox I have ever read on Hibs.net 🤣

Really ? Don’t think we’d be any lower than 7th if LJ was still here in my opinion.

They’re both ***** managers though.

[flash]

Lee Johnson is 10x the manager this clown will ever be. This’ll be his last job in this country and he’ll skulk back to oz and return to managing in a pub league.

Look at me! Look at me!

[Niffy]

From day one struck me as someone out his depth and no spark. All his "But yeah" after every sentence. Hoped he'd be good but no, sorry a poor appointment ... again

[Alfred E Newman]

Monty v Johnson is like debating whether it’s better to stand in horse **** or dug ****.

No contest. Horse **** for me. Which is which is up for debate.

[Since452]

10x ? ****ing hell 🤣

Bit of an exaggeration. 5x better probably more accurate.

[Unseen work]

I wanted him and backed him for a long time.

But he’s making so many poor decisions imo or ones as fans you’re sat there like wtf

- Sticking with 442 for so long
- Losing to Aberdeen in semi final and taking Vente off for 16 year old landers with 10 minutes left
- persistently playing Jair
- Starting Marcondes upfront away to Ross County
- Dropping Youan who is in excellent form yesterday for Boyle.

There’s far more to add to the list that leave you scratching your head.

I also think he’s of the opinion he has achieved quite a lot at Hibs in his time. I heard him mention how we progressed in the cups, a quarter final and semi final in Scotland is no big deal whatsoever. He came in after 4 games, not like we were half way through the window. Failure to get top 6 I on him, beating county away and st Johnstone at home (both struggling at the bottom of the table) would have ensured that.

Playing youngsters is another, it’s like he thinks if I chuck on a 17 year old it’s a bonus and will deflect from other things.

He goes on a lot about injuries, other teams have had just as bad. It’s tiring hearing about it.

We have a good squad, far better than the results we’re getting. Hes showing imo he doesn’t know how to get the best out of it, I think that will be what makes those above him get rid.

They don’t want to spend a fortune and recruit good players for them to be played out of position or subbed for Jair.

[Libby Hibby]

Lee Johnson is 10x the manager this clown will ever be. This’ll be his last job in this country and he’ll skulk back to oz and return to managing in a pub league.

If this was the case, he’d have the following -

10 x the points of Monty
10 x the Trophy wins
10 x the win ratio
10 x the goals scored

Simply staggering statement.

[B.H.F.C]

I wanted him and backed him for a long time.

But he’s making so many poor decisions imo or ones as fans you’re sat there like wtf

- Sticking with 442 for so long
- Losing to Aberdeen in semi final and taking Vente off for 16 year old landers with 10 minutes left
- persistently playing Jair
- Starting Marcondes upfront away to Ross County
- Dropping Youan who is in excellent form yesterday for Boyle.

There’s far more to add to the list that leave you scratching your head.

I also think he’s of the option he has achieved quite a lot at Hibs in his time. I heard him mention how we progressed in the cups, a quarter final and semi final in Scotland is no big deal whatsoever.

Playing youngsters is another, it’s like he thinks if I chuck on a 17 year old it’s a bonus and will deflect from other things.

We have a good squad, far better than the results we’re getting. Hes showing imo he doesn’t know how to get the best out of it, I think that will be what makes those above him get rid.

They don’t want to spend a fortune and recruit good players for them to be played out of position or subbed for Jair.

I agree with a fair bit of that but I still don’t the 442 was the issue it was made out to be and I think we are seeing that now. Loads of the same things are still happening, things that have cost us before the change of shape and since the change of shape. Since he changed, what have we won, 3 league games I think?

I still don’t think the squad is good. Expensive maybe, but not good. There are some good attacking players in there but little else that you need to be successful.

As time has went on he’s making more daft decisions. Jair at Ibrox last week was terrible. And dropping Youan yesterday when he’s been setting goals up weekly was totally unnecessary.

[blackpoolhibs]

That may just be the biggest load of bollox I have ever read on Hibs.net 🤣

LJ got us into Europe and won a few BIG games too, this guy will never take us there, has no idea how to set a team up, continuessly makes us weaker when making subs, and given 3 quality additions LJ would love to have had, has not even improved on the pish he served up with the same players LJ got into Europe.

Bollox describes Mongomerys time at hibs, worse bollox than LJ served up.

[Iain G]

LJ got us into Europe and won a few BIG games too, this guy will never take us there, has no idea how to set a team up, continuessly makes us weaker when making subs, and given 3 quality additions LJ would love to have had, has not even improved on the pish he served up with the same players LJ got into Europe.

Bollox describes Mongomerys time at hibs, worse bollox than LJ served up.

I hope we keep him on and let him prove he can do this job. I like him and he will come good, if given the chance to build his own team.

[Libby Hibby]

Monty v Johnson is like debating whether it’s better to stand in horse **** or dug ****.

It certainly is but I can’t help certain folk are trying to rewrite history with Johnson’s tenure

[Donegal Hibby]

hope NM doesn't read this thread, some deserved criticism but some of the name calling, nah

Agree , no need for it .

[Donegal Hibby]

Bit of an exaggeration. 5x better probably more accurate.

Should be seeing as he had a summer transfer window and pre-season though .

[superfurryhibby]

It will be cheerio Monty by around about this time next week.

Out of his depth, time to go.

[matty_f]

I agree with a fair bit of that but I still don’t the 442 was the issue it was made out to be and I think we are seeing that now. Loads of the same things are still happening, things that have cost us before the change of shape and since the change of shape. Since he changed, what have we won, 3 league games I think?

I still don’t think the squad is good. Expensive maybe, but not good. There are some good attacking players in there but little else that you need to be successful.

As time has went on he’s making more daft decisions. Jair at Ibrox last week was terrible. And dropping Youan yesterday when he’s been setting goals up weekly was totally unnecessary.

Agree about the 442, yesterday showed the issue isn't the formation.

[The Harp Awakes]

It will be cheerio Monty by around about this time next week.

Out of his depth, time to go.

It's hard to put up much of a defence of him. We're far from having a brilliant squad of players, but he just seems to lack having any tactical awareness, football nous or ability to motivate a team. Hard to remember a game where his subs improved the team, and most of the time they've made us worse.

The players played the 1st half yesterday as if it was a pre-season friendly and couldny be bothered. Something not right with that and unacceptable.

[JohnM1875]

It's hard to put up much of a defence of him. We're far from having a brilliant squad of players, but he just seems to lack having any tactical awareness, football nous or ability to motivate a team. Hard to remember a game where his subs improved the team, and most of the time they've made us worse.

The players played the 1st half yesterday as if it was a pre-season friendly and couldny be bothered. Something not right with that and unacceptable.

I'd honestly love to be able to defend him cause I was on here buzzing when we appointed him. But I just can't. As each game goes by it's becoming more clear he just not a good manager. Some of the decisions he makes are baffling.

Losing to a ***** St Johnston and having them sign 'Hibs are falling apart' is a step too far for me. ****ing love that song as well, ruined now haha.

[matty_f]

I'd honestly love to be able to defend him cause I was on here buzzing when we appointed him. But I just can't. As each game goes by it's becoming more clear he just not a good manager. Some of the decisions he makes are baffling.

Losing to a ***** St Johnston and having them sign 'Hibs are falling apart' is a step too far for me. ****ing love that song as well, ruined now haha.

:agree: each week there's more evidence getting put in the "not the right guy" pile than there is in the "he'll come good" one.

Levein got his second victory against Monty yesterday. Levein took over St Johnstone at the start of November, has had the same transfer window as Monty and a fraction of the budget and has taken six points from six against us. They've only won 7 games all season and two have been against us.

They were 7 points behind us when he took over and are still 7 behind us now. Despite all the advantages we have over St Johnstone they've kept pace with us.

It's chronic stuff.

[Since452]

you're just making outlandish statements for the sake of it now. to predict what will or won't happen in his career as some sort of fact is just downright daft. failed to demonstrate a single thing?



he's identified that we needed to replace lewis and paul
he's improved the midfield and moved on many players who simply weren't good enough
he's introduced a style of play that he believes will be successful in the long term
he's improved players that were here
he's attracted a quality of player in Maolida and Marcondes that we could never have attracted before
he's looked to promote youth


I'm not saying he's perfect at all. i'e consistently said he needs to learn from his mistakes and is still IMO a manager with potential, I just don't accept that its the right thing to sack him and start over again. we know he's had success previously both as a coach and as a manager (albeit you and others on here devalue that due to it being in Australia). there's many examples of managers who have initially struggled in posts and then when given time done well. there's equally many examples of experienced managers who've been brought in after a "rookie" and totally flopped too.

to be so absolutist in your argument just devalues your opinion in not being taken seriously

Amazing how people see things so differently.

[Winston Ingram]

:agree: each week there's more evidence getting put in the "not the right guy" pile than there is in the "he'll come good" one.

Levein got his second victory against Monty yesterday. Levein took over St Johnstone at the start of November, has had the same transfer window as Monty and a fraction of the budget and has taken six points from six against us. They've only won 7 games all season and two have been against us.

They were 7 points behind us when he took over and are still 7 behind us now. Despite all the advantages we have over St Johnstone they've kept pace with us.

It's chronic stuff.

The St Johnstone fans want shot of Levein an aw

[Cameron1875]

An inexperienced manager learning on the job. Go learn your trade at another club then maybe get another chance at a decent sized club like Hibs.

Probably the most concerning thing for me is what do Hibs board actually want?

Maloney- rookie (0 games as manager)
Johnson- (500 games as manager)
Montgomery- rookie (63 games as manager- 20 losses by the way)

They bleated about Johnson being a young but experienced manager with a pedigree and then when he failed, went back to a gamble appointment like we had done with Maloney.

Some might think Mowbray at this but he strolled in to a club with the best young players in the country and borderline zero expectations after some miserable seasons. For every Mowbray/Pep, you'll get a queue of diddy managers just delighted to get the job.

Also, bloody hell he is hardly inspiring is he?! I'm not wanting a slaver like Johnson but my god it's tough to listen to the pre and post match interviews and feel there is any sort of hope there.

[Kojock]

you're just making outlandish statements for the sake of it now. to predict what will or won't happen in his career as some sort of fact is just downright daft. failed to demonstrate a single thing?



he's identified that we needed to replace lewis and paul
he's improved the midfield and moved on many players who simply weren't good enough
he's introduced a style of play that he believes will be successful in the long term
he's improved players that were here
he's attracted a quality of player in Maolida and Marcondes that we could never have attracted before
he's looked to promote youth


I'm not saying he's perfect at all. i'e consistently said he needs to learn from his mistakes and is still IMO a manager with potential, I just don't accept that its the right thing to sack him and start over again. we know he's had success previously both as a coach and as a manager (albeit you and others on here devalue that due to it being in Australia). there's many examples of managers who have initially struggled in posts and then when given time done well. there's equally many examples of experienced managers who've been brought in after a "rookie" and totally flopped too.

to be so absolutist in your argument just devalues your opinion in not being taken seriously

So far this season we have failed to beat Rangers, Celtic or Hearts, we have lost at ER to St Johnstone, St Mirren, Aberdeen and Livingston. Dropped points at ER against Dundee, Ross County and Motherwell. We’ve lost 50 league goals so far and sitting 7th in the league. I’m normally a happy clapper but yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back. Monty hasn’t a clue his team selection and substitutions were baffling to say the least. If you think Rocky and Triantis are an improvement over Hanlon and Stevenson then that’s your prerogative. As for improving players that were already here can you please enlighten me.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

An inexperienced manager learning on the job. Go learn your trade at another club then maybe get another chance at a decent sized club like Hibs.

Probably the most concerning thing for me is what do Hibs board actually want?

Maloney- rookie (0 games as manager)
Johnson- (500 games as manager)
Montgomery- rookie (63 games as manager- 20 losses by the way)

They bleated about Johnson being a young but experienced manager with a pedigree and then when he failed, went back to a gamble appointment like we had done with Maloney.

Some might think Mowbray at this but he strolled in to a club with the best young players in the country and borderline zero expectations after some miserable seasons. For every Mowbray/Pep, you'll get a queue of diddy managers just delighted to get the job.

Also, bloody hell he is hardly inspiring is he?! I'm not wanting a slaver like Johnson but my god it's tough to listen to the pre and post match interviews and feel there is any sort of hope there.

For all LJ’s “experience” it counted for little/ nothing for us nor Fleetwood.
So one of the questions for candidates can you detail a mistake/problem you faced and how you tackled it. Was the improvement sustained?

LJ seemed incapable when it came to changing things or learning from mistakes - they kept on repeating.

[JohnM1875]

you're just making outlandish statements for the sake of it now. to predict what will or won't happen in his career as some sort of fact is just downright daft. failed to demonstrate a single thing?



he's identified that we needed to replace lewis and paul
he's improved the midfield and moved on many players who simply weren't good enough
he's introduced a style of play that he believes will be successful in the long term
he's improved players that were here
he's attracted a quality of player in Maolida and Marcondes that we could never have attracted before
he's looked to promote youth


I'm not saying he's perfect at all. i'e consistently said he needs to learn from his mistakes and is still IMO a manager with potential, I just don't accept that its the right thing to sack him and start over again. we know he's had success previously both as a coach and as a manager (albeit you and others on here devalue that due to it being in Australia). there's many examples of managers who have initially struggled in posts and then when given time done well. there's equally many examples of experienced managers who've been brought in after a "rookie" and totally flopped too.

to be so absolutist in your argument just devalues your opinion in not being taken seriously

Hanlon is still our best CB, not playing him has been a huge mistake
Midfield has been better since January, not sure how much that is to do with Montgomery though.
His style of play is boring. If a team sits off us we're totally out of ideas
Who's he improved that was already here? Jair for a month?
You think Maolida and Marcondes are here cause of Montgomery? Surely you don't actually think that?
He gave a few laddies their debut, he can have that.

[Smartie]

:agree: each week there's more evidence getting put in the "not the right guy" pile than there is in the "he'll come good" one.

Levein got his second victory against Monty yesterday. Levein took over St Johnstone at the start of November, has had the same transfer window as Monty and a fraction of the budget and has taken six points from six against us. They've only won 7 games all season and two have been against us.

They were 7 points behind us when he took over and are still 7 behind us now. Despite all the advantages we have over St Johnstone they've kept pace with us.

It's chronic stuff.

His “failure to learn” pisses me off.

Everybody in that ground knew what to expect from a stuffy Levein team yesterday, and everybody knew what it would take not to come unstuck.

The solution wasn’t writing off a slow first half, sideways balls and struggling to get men up the park. We needed to be aggressive, quick and direct from the start - the opposite to what we got.

Even then - a semi-competent side sees that out at 1-0 against a team that carries next to no threat. Losing 2 goals to them was criminal. Even scraping an ugly point would have had uses.

The line-up in itself wasn’t unacceptable or inexplicable but the way we played really was.

I’ve been on the fence with him up until now as there was the balance between the improvement since January and the plentiful stuff in the minus column but yesterday was the first time I started to have grave reservations.

[Cameron1875]

For all LJ’s “experience” it counted for little/ nothing for us nor Fleetwood.
So one of the questions for candidates can you detail a mistake/problem you faced and how you tackled it. Was the improvement sustained?

LJ seemed incapable when it came to changing things or learning from mistakes - they kept on repeating.

We'd have to hope Hibs are asking something like that but if not they definitely should be. From Johnson's interviews (and Linkedin) I'd imagine he is able to squeak through it with some sort of sales pitch but a theme of recent managers has been to really struggle if plan A fails.

Agree that his experience counted for little but I maybe naively assumed Hibs would now go for a manager who'd been in the game a while (e.g. 250+ games) and didn't need to learn as he went on. A Derek McInnes type without exactly being him.

Monty's track record baffles me to hire him in early/mid season unless it was a cheap punt.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

We'd have to hope Hibs are asking something like that but if not they definitely should be. From Johnson's interviews (and Linkedin) I'd imagine he is able to squeak through it with some sort of sales pitch but a theme of recent managers has been to really struggle if plan A fails.

Agree that his experience counted for little but I maybe naively assumed Hibs would now go for a manager who'd been in the game a while (e.g. 250+ games) and didn't need to learn as he went on. A Derek McInnes type without exactly being him.

Monty's track record baffles me to hire him in early/mid season unless it was a cheap punt.

I did wonder at the time 60 games, whilst better than Money isn’t really much of an apprenticeship. It was interesting to read Malcolm MacPhersons interview in the HibernianObserver that he’d heard Sir Alex Ferguson warn against the use of Rookie managers - very rarely works out and yet Hibs still went with Sauzee.

[hibeerealist]

An inexperienced manager learning on the job. Go learn your trade at another club then maybe get another chance at a decent sized club like Hibs.

Probably the most concerning thing for me is what do Hibs board actually want?

Maloney- rookie (0 games as manager)
Johnson- (500 games as manager)
Montgomery- rookie (63 games as manager- 20 losses by the way)

They bleated about Johnson being a young but experienced manager with a pedigree and then when he failed, went back to a gamble appointment like we had done with Maloney.

Some might think Mowbray at this but he strolled in to a club with the best young players in the country and borderline zero expectations after some miserable seasons. For every Mowbray/Pep, you'll get a queue of diddy managers just delighted to get the job.

Also, bloody hell he is hardly inspiring is he?! I'm not wanting a slaver like Johnson but my god it's tough to listen to the pre and post match interviews and feel there is any sort of hope there.

Good post Cameron

[Donegal Hibby]

I did wonder at the time 60 games, whilst better than Money isn’t really much of an apprenticeship. It was interesting to read Malcolm MacPhersons interview in the HibernianObserver that he’d heard Sir Alex Ferguson warn against the use of Rookie managers - very rarely works out and yet Hibs still went with Sauzee.

Just about Sauzee , was there not a case there that we were beginning to struggling before McLeish left ( I might be wrong on that ) and it was probably the wrong time for Sauzee to takeover ?.

[Since452]

For all LJ’s “experience” it counted for little/ nothing for us nor Fleetwood.
So one of the questions for candidates can you detail a mistake/problem you faced and how you tackled it. Was the improvement sustained?

LJ seemed incapable when it came to changing things or learning from mistakes - they kept on repeating.

Not defending LJ here but Fleetwood could be on the brink of sacking their 3rd manager this season. Basket case club if ever there was one. Hibs simply shouldn't have appointed LJ in the first place. Maloney or Montgomery either. Have no faith we'll get the next appointment right either.

[easty]

The St Johnstone fans want shot of Levein an aw

Do they?

I only know one guy who’s a St Johnstone season ticket holder, he thought they were certainties to go down at the start of the season, and thinks Levein has done well.

[joe breezy]

I was gutted when Sauzée got sacked


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[truehibernian]

I think Hibs will be making a decision on whether to retain Montgomery at the end of the season.

[ancient hibee]

He was schooled by Levien yesterday. He must have been the only person in the ground who didn't know how Saints would play-determined defence combined with quick breaks and make it count when you get there.

The main weakness at the club is the owners/executive. There's no doubt they can run a good business but they haven't a scooby about running a football operation. I suspect they thought that they'd show the hicks here how it's done.First some snake oil salesman sold them the idea of bringing in players nobody had heard of and then selling them for millions. Presumably they're still waiting for the Eiffel Tower, bought at the same time ,to appear. Next appointing managers from the left field all of whom have been totally inadequate. Hopefully Malcolm Mac Pherson can make them see sense and use the Foley guys as allies to get us back on the right track.

[Crab apple]

I think Hibs will be making a decision on whether to retain Montgomery at the end of the season.

I think that will be the case and I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to keep him. Personally I'd get shot now and make moves behind the scenes to have someone appointed as soon as the season ends.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not defending LJ here but Fleetwood could be on the brink of sacking their 3rd manager this season. Basket case club if ever there was one. Hibs simply shouldn't have appointed LJ in the first place. Maloney or Montgomery either. Have no faith we'll get the next appointment right either.

It was a massive mistake by LJ to take that job tbh , he should have waited for a better one. Wasn't many worse apart from Watford , Sunderland and dare I say .........

[Liberal Hibby]

I think Hibs will be making a decision on whether to retain Montgomery at the end of the season.

Could be earlier than that. Wednesday in the unlikely event Dundee win or Saturday if Motherwell or Dundee win.

Not finishing bottom six would surely be part of his expected performance indicators?

[coldingham hibs]

We got a number of players in January who are probably being paid (maybe not by Hibs) way in excess of any team outwith Rangers & Celtic. Montgomery has managed to achieve 3 home wins, against Livingston, Ross County & Dundee. He hasn’t won an away league game. With the caliber of player we have at our disposal, realistically we should only lose to Hearts away, Rangers & Celtic. To achieve what he has is quite frankly pathetic. How on earth can he be trusted any further.

[JimBHibees]

Hanlon is still our best CB, not playing him has been a huge mistake
Midfield has been better since January, not sure how much that is to do with Montgomery though.
His style of play is boring. If a team sits off us we're totally out of ideas
Who's he improved that was already here? Jair for a month?
You think Maolida and Marcondes are here cause of Montgomery? Surely you don't actually think that?
He gave a few laddies their debut, he can have that.

Think huge mistake is stretching it. Don’t remember Paul being that good this season

[truehibernian]

I think that will be the case and I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to keep him. Personally I'd get shot now and make moves behind the scenes to have someone appointed as soon as the season ends.

I don’t think you’re far from the truth with your last point CA 👍

[JimBHibees]

We got a number of players in January who are probably being paid (maybe not by Hibs) way in excess of any team outwith Rangers & Celtic. Montgomery has managed to achieve 3 home wins, against Livingston, Ross County & Dundee. He hasn’t won an away league game. With the caliber of player we have at our disposal, realistically we should only lose to Hearts away, Rangers & Celtic. To achieve what he has is quite frankly pathetic. How on earth can he wee trusted any further.

While of course taking into account the horrific decisions in the derby and in Aberdeen. Thought we were very good in the derby for example

[Smartie]

I did wonder at the time 60 games, whilst better than Money isn’t really much of an apprenticeship. It was interesting to read Malcolm MacPhersons interview in the HibernianObserver that he’d heard Sir Alex Ferguson warn against the use of Rookie managers - very rarely works out and yet Hibs still went with Sauzee.

Where do rookies ever get a chance though?

Pep didn’t exactly struggle in his first job.

Everybody has to start somewhere.

[Unseen work]

I don’t think you’re far from the truth with your last point CA 👍

You heard anything about us getting rid soon in order to bring someone new in quicker? Or just a hunch

[ChuckNor]

Could be earlier than that. Wednesday in the unlikely event Dundee win or Saturday if Motherwell or Dundee win.

Not finishing bottom six would surely be part of his expected performance indicators?
Following the signings inJanuary he was given a target of fourth place.

[Unseen work]

https://x.com/adamjhibs/status/1777051255359131879?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Anyone else heard this?

Rumours are certainly going about, could all be rubbish.

Someone posted rumours of ALF taking charge when Monty leaves, just can’t see it

[Winston Ingram]

Do they?

I only know one guy who’s a St Johnstone season ticket holder, he thought they were certainties to go down at the start of the season, and thinks Levein has done well.

I know a few of them and they Cannae stand him

[southern hibby]

Two questions come to mind…….

Is he away yet?????

And

If not, why not??????

Not going to lie but I’ve had enough of watching us pass the ball backwards constantly……Also we must be the only team in the league that constantly takes a free kick 5 yards behind where it should be and pass it backwards.

It really has been a bad season and I just want it to end. Never have I thought this before.

GGTTH

[JohnM1875]

Usually only a matter of time until it actually happens once the rumours start

[eastmainsmsh]

Anyone heard that NM away ?

[Is It On....]

We got a number of players in January who are probably being paid (maybe not by Hibs) way in excess of any team outwith Rangers & Celtic. Montgomery has managed to achieve 3 home wins, against Livingston, Ross County & Dundee. He hasn’t won an away league game. With the caliber of player we have at our disposal, realistically we should only lose to Hearts away, Rangers & Celtic. To achieve what he has is quite frankly pathetic. How on earth can he be trusted any further.

Nicely summarised 🎯

[WhileTheChief..]

https://x.com/adamjhibs/status/1777051255359131879?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Anyone else heard this?

Rumours are certainly going about, could all be rubbish.

Would be a decent outcome for everyone concerned.

[bingo70]

Would be a decent outcome for everyone concerned.

Any clubs in Australia looking for a manager?

[ChuckNor]

Sounding fairly ominous for Neil.

[SteveHFC]

Any clubs in Australia looking for a manager?

Brisbane.

[Centre Hawf]

Hopefully a wee 10am announcement tomorrow that Gray/Daz taking over until the end of the season while we search for the next person.

Not ITK. Just a hope.

[ChuckNor]

Interesting poll results on X. Seen two prominent Hibs fan accounts ask whether Monty should be sacked or not. Results are 50/50 with around 1,000 votes on each.

https://x.com/hibscentral/status/1776985711960358943?s=46&t=jhF9ubX4L0Wem_nbsFLZ6Q

https://x.com/pedzkeenan/status/1776881606948528352?s=46&t=jhF9ubX4L0Wem_nbsFLZ6Q

[WhileTheChief..]

Any clubs in Australia looking for a manager?

There'll be plenty interested in taking him, he's won things there :greengrin

[HendoDelivered]

He wont be going anywhere before the end of the season btw. I think we will access in summer once the seasons done, anyone calling or hoping for him to go before the season is up, will be disappointed.

[NC1875]

Anyone heard that NM away ?

Yup, just had a text saying so just now.

[B.H.F.C]

I can’t see him being away just yet. If/when bottom six is confirmed I don’t think we’ll hang about though.

[Cod Boy]

Open training session at Easter Road tomorrow night will he be in attendance

[Winston Ingram]

Interesting poll results on X. Seen two prominent Hibs fan accounts ask whether Monty should be sacked or not. Results are 50/50 with around 1,000 votes on each.

https://x.com/hibscentral/status/1776985711960358943?s=46&t=jhF9ubX4L0Wem_nbsFLZ6Q

https://x.com/pedzkeenan/status/1776881606948528352?s=46&t=jhF9ubX4L0Wem_nbsFLZ6Q

It must be Jambo’s voting to keep him

[Dazzjw1875]

Alot of chat in the past hour NM is gone?

[Unseen work]

I can’t see him being away just yet. If/when bottom six is confirmed I don’t think we’ll hang about though.

They might think regardless of top 6 or not they’ve seen enough.

Get rid now and let Gray take it to the end of the season whilst they search for the next manager.

Rather than potentially win next week, scrape top 6 and be mediocre the rest of the season into next before the inevitable sacking.

If they’re thinking a new manager it’s got to be done well before pre season starts so he’s got time to get everything in place and identify targets

[Unseen work]

Yup, just had a text saying so just now.

From a decent source?

[supermcginn]

Sounds like he might be away.

[NC1875]

From a decent source?

Mixed I would say. He’s been right in the past but also well off it. Was a bit out of the blue so came on here to see if anyone else had heard anything.

Seems they have. And hopefully it’s all correct.

Alex Neil for me.

[B.H.F.C]

They might think regardless of top 6 or not they’ve seen enough.

Get rid now and let Gray take it to the end of the season whilst they search for the next manager.

Rather than potentially win next week, scrape top 6 and be mediocre the rest of the season into next before the inevitable sacking.

If they’re thinking a new manager it’s got to be done well before pre season starts so he’s got time to get everything in place and identify targets

Or on the flip side, they might be desperately hoping that we manage to scrape top six next week at which point we’d only be a couple of points off what will be a European spot. And then we scrape that and avoid sacking him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sounds like he might be away.

Praying this is true.

[The Captain....]

Sounds like he might be away.Rumours for a few weeks he was headed back to Oz so maybe not surprising. A decent bloke but imo not the right man for us..I shudder to think what the "brains trust" bring in next tho.

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[andrew_dundee]

Would be a decent outcome for everyone concerned.

The post seems to have been deleted.

[Boyle89]

you're having a laugh here - Hanlon and Stevenson whilst having had their good moments for Hibs were quite rightly identified as weak links in the defence, something which Monty addressed by dropping them and that was acknowledged by folk on here as a positive. it's unfortunate that we didn't then recruit a more robust central defender but Hanlon and Stevenson are not the answer - you do realise Hanlon played 3 out of 4 games in January when we had that poor run? also played in the defeat against st Johnstone away? you're stirring to suit your own agenda stating your own opinion as fact, grow up eh?

Lewis struggles positionally at the best of times, playing him as a right back was not the answer. however you do highlight the challenges Monty had with the squad with both Madden and Miller out, so maybe give him a bit of a break there instead of slagging him?!

You do realise hanlon did not play in that poor run?!
He was subbed off right before st johnstone scored in that away defeat. He then didnt play in the loss to hearts. He played in the draw against motherwell then didn't play in defeats to rangers, st mirren or celtic after that.
I agree about Stevenson at rb though.

[Dr_Regal]

Another one me bites the dust. next!

[Sproule Three]

Any clubs in Australia looking for a manager?

Western Sydney Wanderers will be soon I think

[Winston Ingram]

Any clubs in Australia looking for a manager?

There’s only one game left before the plate. CCM have improved as it looks like they’ll secure the Premiers title next weekend after beating their nearest challengers, Wellington Phoenix in injury time in Sat.

[Since452]

There’s only one game left before the plate. CCM have improved as it looks like they’ll secure the Premiers title next weekend after beating their nearest challengers, Wellington Phoenix in injury time in Sat.

CCM seem to be doing alright. I take it it's still Montgomery's team?

[Forza Fred]

CCM seem to be doing alright. I take it it's still Montgomery's team?

Half the team moved overseas when he did.

Probably be a similar story this season.

[BILLYHIBS]

You do realise hanlon did not play in that poor run?!
He was subbed off right before st johnstone scored in that away defeat. He then didnt play in the loss to hearts. He played in the draw against motherwell then didn't play in defeats to rangers, st mirren or celtic after that.
I agree about Stevenson at rb though.

Subbing off centre backs half way through games seems to be a precursor to a loss of concentration and the loss of a goal is a common feature of NM’s reign

Never touch your centre backs though I appreciate Fish was ill on Saturday??

Stevenson at right back dearie me I have never seen such a one footed piss poor performance from a professional football player talk about square pegs in round holes ?

Hanlon is in the twilight of his career but still looks to be no worse than Fish and Rocky on Saturday who looked shaky to say the least

Not convinced by Triantis at centre back either looks much more comfortable in midfield

[jakedance]

I appreciate managers need time to change things, and our constant merry go round isn’t helping anything, but I think his failure to get the team motivated for games is unforgiveable. The only times we’ve looked in any way decent, or been in any way enjoyable to watch, under NM is when we’ve played with pace and urgency. That just doesn’t happen often enough.

It’s an act of self harm to invite so much pressure on our defence when they’re terrible. A hill I’m willing to die on is that Hanlon is still our best central defender.

I really hope the new investment in the club means we can bring in a higher standard of manager but I’ve no faith in BK to appoint the right man. Grim.

[green day]

Hanlon is in the twilight of his career but still looks to be no worse than Fish and Rocky on Saturday who looked shaky to say the least

Not convinced by Treantis at centre back either looks much more comfortable in midfield

Saturday was like many of our matches under NM.

Look under no pressure for most of the game, opposition gets through a couple of times and score a couple of goals.

Its playground defending.

Our CH area has been honking all season, and I cant believe that Triantis on loan was the best we could source in that window.

[Fergos]

Saturday was like many of our matches under NM.

Look under no pressure for most of the game, opposition gets through a couple of times and score a couple of goals.

Its playground defending.

Our CH area has been honking all season, and I cant believe that Triantis on loan was the best we could source in that window.

Agreed. We did however bring in a 2nd centre half that wasnt fit and was sent back almost immediately. Incredible really, creating bizarre new norms that are frankly unacceptable.

[Heisenberg]

Saturday was like many of our matches under NM.

Look under no pressure for most of the game, opposition gets through a couple of times and score a couple of goals.

Its playground defending.

Our CH area has been honking all season, and I cant believe that Triantis on loan was the best we could source in that window.

It’s brutal and where some major questions need asked of McDermott/Montgomery and their approach to the January window. Fair enough Maolida has been quality, Marcondes good at times too. The absolute failure to properly sort out the middle of the defence will be NM’s downfall.

As you say it’s been the same all season, even under Johnson, fire the ball into the box from anywhere and you’ll likely get a chance out of Fish/Rocky.

[BILLYHIBS]

Saturday was like many of our matches under NM.

Look under no pressure for most of the game, opposition gets through a couple of times and score a couple of goals.

Its playground defending.

Our CH area has been honking all season, and I cant believe that Triantis on loan was the best we could source in that window.

Comedy defending from Rocky and Triantis for the first

Anyone getting a touch or a flick on at a corner against us good chance it ends up in the back of the net due to the way we set up

Think I read somewhere the Portuguese Coach was now the Defensive Coach ??

[flash]

Saturday was like many of our matches under NM.

Look under no pressure for most of the game, opposition gets through a couple of times and score a couple of goals.

Its playground defending.

Our CH area has been honking all season, and I cant believe that Triantis on loan was the best we could source in that window.

It's incredible how often we have failed to win matches despite being the better team by far.

You have to think a decent manager would be getting better results than we have been.

I have flip flopped over Montgomery a few times the last few weeks but have come to the conclusion that he isn't making the most of what he has.

When added into the mix of strange team selections and ridiculously bad substitutions I have reluctantly decided we can and must do a lot better and he isn't showing the signs that he's the man to do so.

[Winston Ingram]

CCM seem to be doing alright. I take it it's still Montgomery's team?

There's a few remaining but a shed load left after they won the plate.

[Forza Fred]

There's a few remaining but a shed load left after they won the plate.

The Chief Pedant Officer has asked me to point out that The Mariners never won the Premier’s Plate…Melbourne City did.

The Mariners won the much more prized toilet seat.

[B.H.F.C]

It's incredible how often we have failed to win matches despite being the better team by far.

You have to think a decent manager would be getting better results than we have been.

I have flip flopped over Montgomery a few times the last few weeks but have come to the conclusion that he isn't making the most of what he has.

When added into the mix of strange team selections and ridiculously bad substitutions I have reluctantly decided we can and must do a lot better and he isn't showing the signs that he's the man to do so.

Pretty much where I’m at and how I’ve seen it.

With the number of draws I’ve never felt like we’re a million miles away. It’s not as if we’re getting outplayed and beat week in, week out. We just make stupid mistakes defensively as we’re so poor at the back and not addressing that in January was always going to cost us points.

I thought the way we played in the first half on Saturday was abysmal though. To come out with such a lack of urgency and lack of intent in a must win game was ridiculous. Even at that, we should have still went and won the game in the second half but it was the same old story of not being able to defend a simple ball in to the box.

[Gorebridge Hibb]

Think he’ll be away today. David Gray in charge ‘til the end of the season.

[sauzee1989]

Comedy defending from Rocky and Triantis for the first

Anyone getting a touch or a flick on at a corner against us good chance it ends up in the back of the net due to the way we set up

Think I read somewhere the Portuguese Coach was now the Defensive Coach ??

If Rocky isn’t emptied by the next manager we are doomed.

[JimBHibees]

Think he’ll be away today. David Gray in charge ‘til the end of the season.

Don't think so. Will at minimum get the Motherwell game and likely until the end of the season.

[matty_f]

It's incredible how often we have failed to win matches despite being the better team by far.

You have to think a decent manager would be getting better results than we have been.

I have flip flopped over Montgomery a few times the last few weeks but have come to the conclusion that he isn't making the most of what he has.

When added into the mix of strange team selections and ridiculously bad substitutions I have reluctantly decided we can and must do a lot better and he isn't showing the signs that he's the man to do so.

I like to give the benefit of the doubt as long as possible, really, until the things that are reasonable mitigation stop being relevant or can be reasonably countered (which is when they just become excuses).

We knew the importance of this run of games yet turned in one of the worst first half performances of the season away to Ross County before throwing away a win with the last kick of the ball. Then yesterday, which was was must win to keep our top six chances in our own hands. We were murder.

With the squad we have, that's inexcusable - you can't point to only having one window (neither Ross County or St Johnstone have had more than that with one manager), we had our key players available as much as can be reasonably expected, a full week of training...

There's no mitigation for it.

He's had almost three full rounds of fixtures and we still defend like we did on Saturday and we still can't put teams to bed while dominating a game. It's not good enough.

It looks like our second bottom six finish in the seasons, that's unacceptable and from the top down folk need to be held to account for it, be that Ben Kensell, Brian McDermott, Nick Montgomery or all of them.

[MKHIBEE]

Think he’ll be away today. David Gray in charge ‘til the end of the season.

Not happening

[JimBHibees]

Pretty much where I’m at and how I’ve seen it.

With the number of draws I’ve never felt like we’re a million miles away. It’s not as if we’re getting outplayed and beat week in, week out. We just make stupid mistakes defensively as we’re so poor at the back and not addressing that in January was always going to cost us points.

I thought the way we played in the first half on Saturday was abysmal though. To come out with such a lack of urgency and lack of intent in a must win game was ridiculous. Even at that, we should have still went and won the game in the second half but it was the same old story of not being able to defend a simple ball in to the box.

Your final paragraph completely agree. That was such a huge game and to start so tamely was criminal. I get the wind wasn't great however we didn't even try a longer ball down the channel to put pressure on them until Newell did in the 40th min or so. No shots at all first half I think. Someone should have told the team we had to win that game. A win even a draw would have made us favourites for top 6. Two comic book goals. Ended up with Levein and fat Brian taking the pee out of us. Way to go Hibs.

[BILLYHIBS]

If Rocky isn’t emptied by the next manager we are doomed.

I like Rocky but seemed to misjudge the flight of the ball was sitting right behind him he looked across looking for cover only to see Triantis playing everyone on

Like I said the changes at centre back do not help but a poor goal to lose

[Winston Ingram]

The Chief Pedant Officer has asked me to point out that The Mariners never won the Premier’s Plate…Melbourne City did.

The Mariners won the much more prized toilet seat.

My bad. My understanding is the Premier is the league and the Premier Plate is the play off between the top 3 afterwards?

[green day]

I like Rocky but seemed to misjudge the flight of the ball was sitting right behind him he looked across looking for cover only to see Triantis playing everyone on

Like I said the changes at centre back do not help but a poor goal to lose

I am in the West Upper and you could see it coming a mile off - the gap between Rocky and Triantis was huge and as soon as the lad got past Rocky it was "here we go again".

Its not identical, but not that far off the shambolic defending for Shanklands last minute goal at the last ER derby.

[Forza Fred]

My bad. My understanding is the Premier is the league and the Premier Plate is the play off between the top 3 afterwards?

The team who finish top of the league are crowned Premiers and are awarded ‘The Premiers Plate.’

The team who win the top six play offs are deemed ‘Champions’ and are awarded the highest order of the colloquially named ‘Toilet Seat’

Champions is the top honour and trumps Premiers.

There has long been conjecture as to whether the plate could fit in the toilet seat should someone do the double.

I hope this assists in explaining the difference between the plate and the toilet seat..

However if not and there is still confusion between the plate and the toilet seat, please don’t invite me around for dinner��

[flash]

I am in the West Upper and you could see it coming a mile off - the gap between Rocky and Triantis was huge and as soon as the lad got past Rocky it was "here we go again".

Its not identical, but not that far off the shambolic defending for Shanklands last minute goal at the last ER derby.

Triantis only needed to take one step forward and the boy was offside.

[Winston Ingram]

The team who finish top of the league are crowned Premiers and are awarded ‘The Premiers Plate.’

The team who win the top six play offs are deemed ‘Champions’ and are awarded the highest order of the colloquially named ‘Toilet Seat’

Champions is the top honour and trumps Premiers.

There has long been conjecture as to whether the plate could fit in the toilet seat should someone do the double.

I hope this assists in explaining the difference between the plate and the toilet seat..

However if not and there is still confusion between the plate and the toilet seat, please don’t invite me around for dinner��

It's a very strange format that's for sure. Even the number of fixtures is strange. Winning the Premiers seems a far bigger achievement and also gets the ACL place.

I'm right in thinking CCM will be premiers if the match or better Wellingtons result this weekend?

[allezsauzee]

Monty's had 7 months and I don't see any improvement in the one aspect of our game that pretty much everyone can see is letting us down badly. Whoever is our coach should be working on our defensive issues as a priority but here we are after almost a season under Monty and we have the same players making the same mistakes and no hint that they've been working on defensive drills. He seems much more interested in imposing his preferred style of play on the team than sorting out our frailties at the back. I don't want us to get rid of managers just because results don't necessarily just fall into place in the first season but I see no signs of improvement or that he is learning from the experience of playing opposition teams. One of the advantages of playing your opposition 4 times a season should be that you learn about them quicker but it seems more important to him that we are playing a certain style. You can maybe get away with this when you are Man City and apparently for a season in the A league but it's not going to work for us.

[BILLYHIBS]

I am in the West Upper and you could see it coming a mile off - the gap between Rocky and Triantis was huge and as soon as the lad got past Rocky it was "here we go again".

Its not identical, but not that far off the shambolic defending for Shanklands last minute goal at the last ER derby.
:aok:

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's a very strange format that's for sure. Even the number of fixtures is strange. Winning the Premiers seems a far bigger achievement and also gets the ACL place.

I'm right in thinking CCM will be premiers if the match or better Wellingtons result this weekend?

Even more bizarrely, there’s apparently £0 prize money on offer to the winners of the premier. Think it might be the same for winning the playoff style thing as well.

[BILLYHIBS]

Triantis only needed to take one step forward and the boy was offside.
:agree:

[sauzee1989]

Has he gone yet?

[Forza Fred]

It's a very strange format that's for sure. Even the number of fixtures is strange. Winning the Premiers seems a far bigger achievement and also gets the ACL place.

I'm right in thinking CCM will be premiers if the match or better Wellingtons result this weekend?

Nope still 3 rounds to go.

Look lots of strange things..probably too long to list them on this thread but consider
1 The league has a club (soon to be 2) that not only plays in a different country, but in different FIFA confederations…meaning no matter what they may win they can’t play in the Asian CL/Cup
2 Some clubs play some teams more than others in the league
3 If equal on points, goal difference is not the league position decider…..the team who has the most wins is the first deciding factor
4 The ‘Distance Derby’ between Perth and Wellington means one club has to travel over 5000 kilometres to get there.
5 The league operates under a ‘salary cap’
6 There is currently no relegation.

I could go on but think that’s enough to be going on with.

[bingo70]

I like to give the benefit of the doubt as long as possible, really, until the things that are reasonable mitigation stop being relevant or can be reasonably countered (which is when they just become excuses).

We knew the importance of this run of games yet turned in one of the worst first half performances of the season away to Ross County before throwing away a win with the last kick of the ball. Then yesterday, which was was must win to keep our top six chances in our own hands. We were murder.

With the squad we have, that's inexcusable - you can't point to only having one window (neither Ross County or St Johnstone have had more than that with one manager), we had our key players available as much as can be reasonably expected, a full week of training...

There's no mitigation for it.

He's had almost three full rounds of fixtures and we still defend like we did on Saturday and we still can't put teams to bed while dominating a game. It's not good enough.

It looks like our second bottom six finish in the seasons, that's unacceptable and from the top down folk need to be held to account for it, be that Ben Kensell, Brian McDermott, Nick Montgomery or all of them.

I think you can throw the St Mirren game at home into that mix as well.

That was one of the worst first half performances I’ve ever seen at Easter Road and I really don’t think I’m exaggerating when I say that. We were 3-0 down but really we were incredibly lucky it wasn’t 5. At the time that game was a great opportunity for us to close the gap on one of our closest rivals so to put in the performance we did was just indefensible.

Motherwells late goals have potentially given him a bit of a reprieve and if he’s still here at the weekend I don’t think it’s impossible that could be a sliding doors moment for him. In all honesty though, if I was a decision maker at the club I’d be extremely reluctant to give him the benefit of the doubt. Every game we’ve had so far we really needed to win, we’ve found a way to drop points.

[Donegal Hibby]

Comedy defending from Rocky and Triantis for the first

Anyone getting a touch or a flick on at a corner against us good chance it ends up in the back of the net due to the way we set up

Think I read somewhere the Portuguese Coach was now the Defensive Coach ??

The first goal we lost was solely down to Newell giving the ball away at a very bad time when we are caught with players pushing forward .LB is in no mans when Newell gives it away too .

[easty]

The first goal we lost was solely down to Newell giving the ball away at a very bad time when we are caught with players pushing forward .LB is in no mans when Newell gives it away too .

Behave, he lost it about 3 yards outside the St Johnstone box :faf:

It's absolutely on our defenders to do much better there.

[Donegal Hibby]

Behave, he lost it about 3 yards outside the St Johnstone box :faf:

It's absolutely on our defenders to do much better there.

Yeah it was , our fullbacks were up there too , as was Newell and Marcondes . Only player we had remotely near to covering Triantis and Rocky was NMW and he was taken out by the ball st Johnstone played to their striker . Both our CH were high up as well at the time . Sorry that one's on Newell for giving the ball away just like the Liverpool player did against Utd .

[Paulie Walnuts]

Behave, he lost it about 3 yards outside the St Johnstone box :faf:

It's absolutely on our defenders to do much better there.

:agree:

[SickBoy32]

Yeah it was , our fullbacks were up there too , as was Newell and Marcondes . Only player we had remotely near to covering Triantis and Rocky was NMW and he was taken out by the ball st Johnstone played to their striker . Both our CH were high up as well at the time . Sorry that one's on Newell for giving the ball away just like the Liverpool player did against Utd .

FWIW I’m not a Newell fan, at all.

However, he’s lost the ball at the edge of the opposing box. A simple pass is then enough to take Bushiri out the game (abysmal positioning and reading of the game as per usual from him) and Triantis was being his usual disastrous self playing the St J boy onside.

It was 2 v 1 in our favour, and both centre halves were very poor for the goal. Newell should’ve done better with the ball but that’s not the reason we conceded.

[Hiber-nation]

FWIW I’m not a Newell fan, at all.

However, he’s lost the ball at the edge of the opposing box. A simple pass is then enough to take Bushiri out the game (abysmal positioning and reading of the game as per usual from him) and Triantis was being his usual disastrous self playing the St J boy onside.

It was 2 v 1 in our favour, and both centre halves were very poor for the goal. Newell should’ve done better with the ball but that’s not the reason we conceded.

Spot on. Newell was really poor but to say the goal was solely down to him is one of the daftest things I've ever read on here!

[allezsauzee]

Yeah it was , our fullbacks were up there too , as was Newell and Marcondes . Only player we had remotely near to covering Triantis and Rocky was NMW and he was taken out by the ball st Johnstone played to their striker . Both our CH were high up as well at the time . Sorry that one's on Newell for giving the ball away just like the Liverpool player did against Utd .

I'm sorry but we have to be prepared for when we lose possession just outside the opposition box because it's going to happen dozens of times a game. Yes, Newell was very clumsy with his touch but Rocky's positional sense is dismal and I don't think we are pressing them to get possession back quickly enough and they have an easy pass to the goalscorer. So there are at least 3 players who could do much better. Players will make mistakes during the game though and one of the jobs of the coaching staff is to organise the team in such a way that we don't just give the opposition a goalscoring opportunity as a result of these mistakes.

[Centre Hawf]

Rocky almost does everything right by playing an offside trap against a much quicker opponent on a fast turnover. He would have been praised for his thinking if his teammate didn’t decide to stand 5 yards deeper than he needed to and watched a known pacey opponent stay onside because of him.

We can say what we want about Newell giving the ball away or Rocky being done by a ball up the line. But none of it matters, even Triantis’ own weird positioning, if he just plays the line properly. It’s criminally basic and was a reminder within 5 minutes of how bad a decision to sign him as a CB was and yet our esteemed leader went with him over Hanlon.

[The Tubs]

I've just watched it back and Rocky seems to be in a great position just to slide in and put it out for a throw-in before it gets anywhere near Sidbeh. God knows why he doesn't. Triantis still seems to be in a terrible position considering he has about five seconds from Newell losing the ball to the pass being played forward.

[Donegal Hibby]

FWIW I’m not a Newell fan, at all.

However, he’s lost the ball at the edge of the opposing box. A simple pass is then enough to take Bushiri out the game (abysmal positioning and reading of the game as per usual from him) and Triantis was being his usual disastrous self playing the St J boy onside.

It was 2 v 1 in our favour, and both centre halves were very poor for the goal. Newell should’ve done better with the ball but that’s not the reason we conceded.

The ball that took Rocky out which i agree did was down the left flank . I don't think it was a two on one though as Triantis is never getting near the st Johnstone striker who was very quick . Newell's mistake was the cause of us losing the goal because we were attacking and playing such a high line at the time imo . I see other players getting the blame for it while Newell once again is getting a' get out of jail free card ' once more .

[The Tubs]

Rocky almost does everything right by playing an offside trap against a much quicker opponent on a fast turnover. He would have been praised for his thinking if his teammate didn’t decide to stand 5 yards deeper than he needed to and watched a known pacey opponent stay onside because of him.

We can say what we want about Newell giving the ball away or Rocky being done by a ball up the line. But none of it matters, even Triantis’ own weird positioning, if he just plays the line properly. It’s criminally basic and was a reminder within 5 minutes of how bad a decision to sign him as a CB was and yet our esteemed leader went with him over Hanlon.

Very true. Explains why Rocky lets it run past him.

[Centre Hawf]

The ball that took Rocky out which i agree did was down the left flank . I don't think it was a two on one though as Triantis is never getting near the st Johnstone striker who was very quick . Newell's mistake was the cause of us losing the goal because we were attacking and playing such a high line at the time imo . I see other players getting the blame for it while Newell once again is getting a' get out of jail free card ' once more .

You lose the ball when attacking. It happens. It clild easily have all happened if they headed clear an Obita cross instead, we overcommitted probably at a time we didn’t need to do so and one of our horrendous defenders didn’t do the basics right at all.

If Triantis doesn’t have a man threat near him he shouldn’t be dropping deeper than Rocky, and he should probably be 5/10 yards closer to him as well. Instead he’s in no mans land, miles deeper than he needs to be.

The second he did that neither him or Rocky were catching Sidibeh for pace.

[easty]

Yeah it was , our fullbacks were up there too , as was Newell and Marcondes . Only player we had remotely near to covering Triantis and Rocky was NMW and he was taken out by the ball st Johnstone played to their striker . Both our CH were high up as well at the time . Sorry that one's on Newell for giving the ball away just like the Liverpool player did against Utd .

The Fernandes goal?

You cannae be serious?

[LaMotta]

I'm sorry but we have to be prepared for when we lose possession just outside the opposition box because it's going to happen dozens of times a game. Yes, Newell was very clumsy with his touch but Rocky's positional sense is dismal and I don't think we are pressing them to get possession back quickly enough and they have an easy pass to the goalscorer. So there are at least 3 players who could do much better. Players will make mistakes during the game though and one of the jobs of the coaching staff is to organise the team in such a way that we don't just give the opposition a goalscoring opportunity as a result of these mistakes.

I think Rocky is actually the player who is least to blame out of those mentioned at fault.

Newell should be playing a relatively simple right footed pass in behind the defence and we could be looking at a chance for a Hibs goal. Instead he trys to take a touch with his left and makes a total hash of it.

The pass from the Saints player is then good and its a good run from the striker , not sure Rocky can do anything about that. Triantis however is way too far to the right meaning the gap is too big and he can't get over in time.

This leaves Marshall to save the day but he takes way too long to come out and narrow the angle IMO.

[The Modfather]

Rocky almost does everything right by playing an offside trap against a much quicker opponent on a fast turnover. He would have been praised for his thinking if his teammate didn’t decide to stand 5 yards deeper than he needed to and watched a known pacey opponent stay onside because of him.

We can say what we want about Newell giving the ball away or Rocky being done by a ball up the line. But none of it matters, even Triantis’ own weird positioning, if he just plays the line properly. It’s criminally basic and was a reminder within 5 minutes of how bad a decision to sign him as a CB was and yet our esteemed leader went with him over Hanlon.

I’m not sure I agree. He took a gamble that Triantis wasn’t playing him onside when there was no need to take a gamble. Get tight, and make the striker have to go backwards. If he gets rolled or run past he’s then entitled to expect Triantis to be covering and easily able to sweep up behind him.

[The Tubs]

I’m not sure I agree. He took a gamble that Triantis wasn’t playing him onside when there was no need to take a gamble. Get tight, and make the striker have to go backwards. If he gets rolled or run past he’s then entitled to expect Triantis to be covering and easily able to sweep up behind him.

I see what you're saying but they probably work all week on an offside trap. A more experienced centre half than Rocky may have realised that his junior partner sent on at half time might not be on the same wavelength so he would have played it out. But, at this point, Rocky's doing the manager's job.

[Amazinsauzee]

I’m not sure I agree. He took a gamble that Triantis wasn’t playing him onside when there was no need to take a gamble. Get tight, and make the striker have to go backwards. If he gets rolled or run past he’s then entitled to expect Triantis to be covering and easily able to sweep up behind him.

I don’t think it should be called a gamble when your centre back partner should in line with him

But I agree should just deal with it

[DaveF]

The ball that took Rocky out which i agree did was down the left flank . I don't think it was a two on one though as Triantis is never getting near the st Johnstone striker who was very quick . Newell's mistake was the cause of us losing the goal because we were attacking and playing such a high line at the time imo . I see other players getting the blame for it while Newell once again is getting a' get out of jail free card ' once more .

Triantis could easily have covered it he had run at full pace and ran towards the player to close him down. He done neither, is absolutely ***** as a CH and should never be ahead of Hanlon in the CB pecking order.

[Unseen work]

Triantis could easily have covered it he had run at full pace and ran towards the player to close him down. He done neither, is absolutely ***** as a CH and should never be ahead of Hanlon in the CB pecking order.

I think Triantis was running full out tbf, but he was running against the wind and the boy is absolutely rapid.

[Centre Hawf]

I’m not sure I agree. He took a gamble that Triantis wasn’t playing him onside when there was no need to take a gamble. Get tight, and make the striker have to go backwards. If he gets rolled or run past he’s then entitled to expect Triantis to be covering and easily able to sweep up behind him.

I think its a fair point on getting tight and forcing him back. But the issue we have is we don’t really know what the instructions were in that scenario from the coaches, offside trap or drop behind him. My gut instinct and the fact we caught him offside 3 times in the game in general tells me that they planned for offside traps against him.

[matty_f]

Moriah-Welsh initially moves to engage with the boy that plays the pass but checks out (presumably due to the distance needed to cover). Rocky and Triantis haven't played CH together in the first team yet (as far as I can remember) so you might understand some margin for error with positioning etc, however they're both right in front of our dug out so surely all it takes is a shout from the coaches if someone's out of position?!

Once the boy has the run on Rocky - who either needed to try and block the pass or move to defend against the attacker quicker, I don't think Rocky or Triantis can catch him.

Marshall could have been out quicker, I think, to force an earlier shot but all in all it was a terribly basic goal to lose.

[Stuart93]

Moriah-Welsh initially moves to engage with the boy that plays the pass but checks out (presumably due to the distance needed to cover). Rocky and Triantis haven't played CH together in the first team yet (as far as I can remember) so you might understand some margin for error with positioning etc, however they're both right in front of our dug out so surely all it takes is a shout from the coaches if someone's out of position?!

Once the boy has the run on Rocky - who either needed to try and block the pass or move to defend against the attacker quicker, I don't think Rocky or Triantis can catch him.

Marshall could have been out quicker, I think, to force an earlier shot but all in all it was a terribly basic goal to lose.

We’ve lost so many basic goals this season

Defence has been ****ing terrible especially CB’s

[DaveF]

Moriah-Welsh initially moves to engage with the boy that plays the pass but checks out (presumably due to the distance needed to cover). Rocky and Triantis haven't played CH together in the first team yet (as far as I can remember) so you might understand some margin for error with positioning etc, however they're both right in front of our dug out so surely all it takes is a shout from the coaches if someone's out of position?!

Once the boy has the run on Rocky - who either needed to try and block the pass or move to defend against the attacker quicker, I don't think Rocky or Triantis can catch him.

Marshall could have been out quicker, I think, to force an earlier shot but all in all it was a terribly basic goal to lose.

Not getting why NMW gets any criticism here. He could have closed the boy down and been passed around but it's really clutching at straws to pin any blame on him for the goal.

Newells lazy arsed flick / pass and the 2 CHs are the issues in that goal.

[matty_f]

Not getting why NMW gets any criticism here. He could have closed the boy down and been passed around but it's really clutching at straws to pin any blame on him for the goal.

Newells lazy arsed flick / pass and the 2 CHs are the issues in that goal.
Sorry, should have worded my post better - I'm not blaming him - I think he was too far from the boy to make any difference - it wasn't a criticism, just an observation of the incident.

[Smartie]

It's pretty much squarely on Triantis for me. Newell's trying to make something happen up near the edge of their box - sometimes it will come off, sometimes it won't and at a time when we're trying to break a stuffy team down, I don't really have an issue with it. His execution was pretty lamentable but it was a minor mistake.

I reckon he might expect there to be something between him and his centre halves to stop a very simple ball leaving us so exposed. Rocky doesn't do all that much wrong for me but Triantis is in the worst possible position and makes the worst possible decision - he plays the St Johnstone player well onside but not in a position where he's able to get back and snuff out the chance, worst of both worlds.

Arguably more than Triantis being to blame is the person who thought Triantis and Rocky would be a CB pairing to win a game. I can't actually believe Triantis is mainly considered to be a CB, he's absolutely hopeless there. Saturday apart, he's been decent in midfield.

[#2 Double Tap]

I think Rocky is actually the player who is least to blame out of those mentioned at fault.

Newell should be playing a relatively simple right footed pass in behind the defence and we could be looking at a chance for a Hibs goal. Instead he trys to take a touch with his left and makes a total hash of it.

The pass from the Saints player is then good and its a good run from the striker , not sure Rocky can do anything about that. Triantis however is way too far to the right meaning the gap is too big and he can't get over in time.

This leaves Marshall to save the day but he takes way too long to come out and narrow the angle IMO.

you have good eyes ;)

[LaMotta]

It's pretty much squarely on Triantis for me. Newell's trying to make something happen up near the edge of their box - sometimes it will come off, sometimes it won't and at a time when we're trying to break a stuffy team down, I don't really have an issue with it. His execution was pretty lamentable but it was a minor mistake.

I reckon he might expect there to be something between him and his centre halves to stop a very simple ball leaving us so exposed. Rocky doesn't do all that much wrong for me but Triantis is in the worst possible position and makes the worst possible decision - he plays the St Johnstone player well onside but not in a position where he's able to get back and snuff out the chance, worst of both worlds.

Arguably more than Triantis being to blame is the person who thought Triantis and Rocky would be a CB pairing to win a game. I can't actually believe Triantis is mainly considered to be a CB, he's absolutely hopeless there. Saturday apart, he's been decent in midfield.

I think you are being a bit kind to Newell, if he'd done what a top earning midfielder should have we could have been in a great position to score. But the rest of your post is absolutely spot on IMO - particularly the part about the manager.

[Donegal Hibby]

Triantis could easily have covered it he had run at full pace and ran towards the player to close him down. He done neither, is absolutely ***** as a CH and should never be ahead of Hanlon in the CB pecking order.

I don't think Dave that Triantis has a hope in hell of covering as Sidibeh looked to be a speed merchant who I was impressed with. Only reason Triantis ended up at CH is because Fish went off feeling sick . Monty could have put Hanlon on though playing a high line at the back would Hanlon have been a better option as he's not quickest.?. I don't know.

I thought Matty F post summed things up perfectly tbh . For me it wasn't just the CH's who was at fault with the first goal but a series of things . Could be said when Newell lost the ball tactical we were naive too I suppose .

[Smartie]

I think you are being a bit kind to Newell, if he'd done what a top earning midfielder should have we could have been in a great position to score. But the rest of your post is absolutely spot on IMO - particularly the part about the manager.

Maybe so, and his contribution there was certainly poor... but ultimately I feel that the criticism he should be receiving there should be for badly spurning a decent attacking position rather than giving away a goal. The ball shouldn't have been in our net seconds later from there.

[Since452]

Comedy defending from Rocky and Triantis for the first

Anyone getting a touch or a flick on at a corner against us good chance it ends up in the back of the net due to the way we set up

Think I read somewhere the Portuguese Coach was now the Defensive Coach ??

I don't know why Triantis slows down at the end like he's prime Usain Bolt at the end of the 100m race when he's winning it by a distance. Should be busting a gut to get back and cover.

[BILLYHIBS]

I don't know why Triantis slows down at the end like he's prime Usain Bolt at the end of the 100m race when he's winning it by a distance. Should be busting a gut to get back and cover.

Strange one looks as though he is running full pelt but against the wind Rocky looks as though he is treading treacle the St Johnstone guy is rapid

[Smartie]

Strange one looks as though he is running full pelt but against the wind Rocky looks as though he is treading treacle the St Johnstone guy is rapid

The St Johnstone player looks like he thinks he's being chased by a lion.

[I'm Spartacus]

Comedy defending from Rocky and Triantis for the first

Anyone getting a touch or a flick on at a corner against us good chance it ends up in the back of the net due to the way we set up

Think I read somewhere the Portuguese Coach was now the Defensive Coach ??

"Comedy defending from Rocky"

The most used quote in Scottish football, he's had time to resolve the issue.

If you don't sort the defence then your job will always be on the line, even more so if you keep picking high risk players, like Rocky.

[cabbageandribs1875]

"Comedy defending from Rocky"

The most used quote in Scottish football, he's had time to resolve the issue.

If you don't sort the defence then your job will always be on the line, even more so if you keep picking high risk players, like Rocky.


that's not quite true, not even near it


"Penalty to Rangers" is, by a country mile

[Unseen work]

I actually don’t blame Rocky or Triantis that much for the goal.

I think the set up as a whole is shocking.

Montgomery is asking for teams to score that goal against us. Levein knew it, that’s why he got his absolutely rapid striker to stand on the half way line and wait for the goal in behind.

Both our full backs are so high up the pitch. We lose the ball on the edge of their box and it’s one pass and they’re through on goal.

Everyone knows it’s an easy way to score against us, our defence will stop a lot but it only takes one pass and run.

[Donegal Hibby]

I actually don’t blame Rocky or Triantis that much for the goal.

I think the set up as a whole is shocking.

Montgomery is asking for teams to score that goal against us. Levein knew it, that’s why he got his absolutely rapid striker to stand on the half way line and wait for the goal in behind.

Both our full backs are so high up the pitch. We lose the ball on the edge of their box and it’s one pass and they’re through on goal.

Everyone knows it’s an easy way to score against us, our defence will stop a lot but it only takes one pass and run.

Been very vulnerable all year due to fullbacks pushing up and our two CH's being asked to cover for them which is why folk are blaming them at times for being out of position.

When Fish went off and we put NMW on with Triantis ( DM ) dropping into defence , about 3 minutes later we lost that goal too.

When Newell lost the ball we had no fullbacks or defensive cover from a midfield player either and in truth both CH's who were playing a high line against a speed merchant and were always going to be in bother once we lost it.

Think blaming the two CH's is harsh . The goal we lost was naive on our part though if we didn't lose the ball when we did it probably wouldn't have happened.

[JimBHibees]

You lose the ball when attacking. It happens. It clild easily have all happened if they headed clear an Obita cross instead, we overcommitted probably at a time we didn’t need to do so and one of our horrendous defenders didn’t do the basics right at all.

If Triantis doesn’t have a man threat near him he shouldn’t be dropping deeper than Rocky, and he should probably be 5/10 yards closer to him as well. Instead he’s in no mans land, miles deeper than he needs to be.

The second he did that neither him or Rocky were catching Sidibeh for pace.

Triantis simply has to be closer to Rocky so can either chase the player or play offside.

[Tyler Durden]

I actually don’t blame Rocky or Triantis that much for the goal.

I think the set up as a whole is shocking.

Montgomery is asking for teams to score that goal against us. Levein knew it, that’s why he got his absolutely rapid striker to stand on the half way line and wait for the goal in behind.

Both our full backs are so high up the pitch. We lose the ball on the edge of their box and it’s one pass and they’re through on goal.

Everyone knows it’s an easy way to score against us, our defence will stop a lot but it only takes one pass and run.

When did we last lose a goal like that?

[JimBHibees]

When did we last lose a goal like that?

Cup semi?

[Tyler Durden]

Been very vulnerable all year due to fullbacks pushing up and our two CH's being asked to cover for them which is why folk are blaming them at times for being out of position.

When Fish went off and we put NMW on with Triantis ( DM ) dropping into defence , about 3 minutes later we lost that goal too.

When Newell lost the ball we had no fullbacks or defensive cover from a midfield player either and in truth both CH's who were playing a high line against a speed merchant and were always going to be in bother once we lost it.

Think blaming the two CH's is harsh . The goal we lost was naive on our part though if we didn't lose the ball when we did it probably wouldn't have happened.

This is the whole reason Rocky is favoured over Hanlon for example, for his athleticism to deal with defending high. Generally he's done a good job but on this occasion he's switched off.

It's nothing to do with losing the ball, we're regularly going to lose possession deep into our opponents half. The CBs then need to decide if they can play offside and if not, they need to match the forward's run. It's Rocky's fault here and he'll be well aware of that.

[Tyler Durden]

Cup semi?

Approximately 20 games ago. So not really accurate to say "an easy way to score against us", per the post I quoted.

If we want to dominate possession, you need to trust your CBs to deal with this type of counter. On Saturday Rocky didn't. It doesn't happen often. The 2nd goal however.....

[JimBHibees]

I like to give the benefit of the doubt as long as possible, really, until the things that are reasonable mitigation stop being relevant or can be reasonably countered (which is when they just become excuses).

We knew the importance of this run of games yet turned in one of the worst first half performances of the season away to Ross County before throwing away a win with the last kick of the ball. Then yesterday, which was was must win to keep our top six chances in our own hands. We were murder.

With the squad we have, that's inexcusable - you can't point to only having one window (neither Ross County or St Johnstone have had more than that with one manager), we had our key players available as much as can be reasonably expected, a full week of training...

There's no mitigation for it.

He's had almost three full rounds of fixtures and we still defend like we did on Saturday and we still can't put teams to bed while dominating a game. It's not good enough.

It looks like our second bottom six finish in the seasons, that's unacceptable and from the top down folk need to be held to account for it, be that Ben Kensell, Brian McDermott, Nick Montgomery or all of them.

Tend to agree the performances in both first half’s of two absolutely massive games were nowhere near good enough. Lack of intensity in both was frightening.

[JimBHibees]

Approximately 20 games ago. So not really accurate to say "an easy way to score against us", per the post I quoted.

If we want to dominate possession, you need to trust your CBs to deal with this type of counter. On Saturday Rocky didn't. It doesn't happen often. The 2nd goal however.....

Absolutely fair point

[Donegal Hibby]

This is the whole reason Rocky is favoured over Hanlon for example, for his athleticism to deal with defending high. Generally he's done a good job but on this occasion he's switched off.

It's nothing to do with losing the ball, we're regularly going to lose possession deep into our opponents half. The CBs then need to decide if they can play offside and if not, they need to match the forward's run. It's Rocky's fault here and he'll be well aware of that.

Rocky didn't switch off he was merely caught out by a player that had more speed because Newell tried to be clever in taken an extra touch and stupidly lost control of the ball . Losing the ball at that time when we were vulnerable at the back was the main cause of the goal but not the only one .

This season Rocky and Fish normally have had to cover the fullback position with a midfielder dropping deep to cover the central area . Triantis was doing that until we moved him into defence on the 46 minute I think and 3 minutes later we lost the goal which tells a tale in itself .

I don't know which midfielder should have dropped deep to cover though don't think it would have been Marcondes . A lot of times this season I've seen Newell do it though .

Triantis has also came in for criticism for not getting back quick enough though I think he was probably covering the RB area and was never getting back in time against someone with the pace of Sidibeh.

Our CHs were to far apart ready covering the wide area's if needed with no protection from midfield . End of the day though it was giving the ball away that lead to the goal !.

[Hiber-nation]

Rocky didn't switch off he was merely caught out by a player that had more speed because Newell tried to be clever in taken an extra touch and stupidly lost control of the ball . Losing the ball at that time when we were vulnerable at the back was the main cause of the goal but not the only one .

This season Rocky and Fish normally have had to cover the fullback position with a midfielder dropping deep to cover the central area . Triantis was doing that until we moved him into defence on the 46 minute I think and 3 minutes later we lost the goal which tells a tale in itself .

I don't know which midfielder should have dropped deep to cover though don't think it would have been Marcondes . A lot of times this season I've seen Newell do it though .

Triantis has also came in for criticism for not getting back quick enough though I think he was probably covering the RB area and was never getting back in time against someone with the pace of Sidibeh.

Our CHs were to far apart ready covering the wide area's if needed with no protection from midfield . End of the day though it was giving the ball away that lead to the goal !.

The real blame lies with the manager who thought it was wise to put Triantis at CB again.

[Hibiza]

Monty is becoming rather predictable, on and off the pitch .

[easty]

Rocky didn't switch off he was merely caught out by a player that had more speed because Newell tried to be clever in taken an extra touch and stupidly lost control of the ball . Losing the ball at that time when we were vulnerable at the back was the main cause of the goal but not the only one .

This season Rocky and Fish normally have had to cover the fullback position with a midfielder dropping deep to cover the central area . Triantis was doing that until we moved him into defence on the 46 minute I think and 3 minutes later we lost the goal which tells a tale in itself .

I don't know which midfielder should have dropped deep to cover though don't think it would have been Marcondes . A lot of times this season I've seen Newell do it though .

Triantis has also came in for criticism for not getting back quick enough though I think he was probably covering the RB area and was never getting back in time against someone with the pace of Sidibeh.

Our CHs were to far apart ready covering the wide area's if needed with no protection from midfield . End of the day though it was giving the ball away that lead to the goal !.

If Triantis was covering the right back area then he’s at fault.

We’ve got the ball high up the left side of the pitch. Right back doesn’t need covered at that point. Especially given the only St Johnstone player up the park was out on our left side.

[babahibs]

If a player loses the ball on the edge of the opposition box, it is never, ever his fault if we lose a goal from that position.

The goal was mainly down to Triantis not covering Rocky, who should never have been left one on one with their striker.

[blackpoolhibs]

If a player loses the ball on the edge of the opposition box, it is never, ever his fault if we lose a goal from that position.

The goal was mainly down to Triantis not covering Rocky, who should never have been left one on one with their striker.

What surprised me about Triantis going back to centre half, was it was the ideal time to play him on the left and Rocky in his more natural right side.

What do i know though?

[Donegal Hibby]

If Triantis was covering the right back area then he’s at fault.

We’ve got the ball high up the left side of the pitch. Right back doesn’t need covered at that point. Especially given the only St Johnstone player up the park was out on our left side.

Watching it again Triantis is more central right enough though both our CH's usually have to cover the wide area's with a midfielder covering for them which Triantis was doing before being shifted . When Newell loses it , two passes and boom , goal , all to easy I'm afraid . Losing the ball was the cause of it though tactically what a **** goal it was to lose .

2:40 in .

https://youtu.be/cdSPSBfp2Eo?si=XieEJzprTOZ2Vtil

[JJP]

The lack of progress being made is frustrating. At this stage of every season (since the season we finished 3rd under Jack Ross) we seem to be struggling to make it into the top six against teams with less resources than us. This year we are on course to be going backwards instead of forwards. After the 32nd game of last season (1-0 Home win V Hearts) we were 6th in the league with 43 points compared to this season, 38 points and sitting in 7th place. We have the exact same number of points now as we did after the 32nd game of season 2021/22 under Maloney.

[Tyler Durden]

Rocky didn't switch off he was merely caught out by a player that had more speed because Newell tried to be clever in taken an extra touch and stupidly lost control of the ball . Losing the ball at that time when we were vulnerable at the back was the main cause of the goal but not the only one .

.

Not sure why you need to tie yourself in knots rather than admit that Rocky is at fault? Same when he was badly at fault away to Killie.

Anyway it wasn't about speed. The St Johnstone player takes 3 touches before delivering the pass. Once their player is facing our goal (taking 2 touches and lifting his head to see the pass), Rocky could either step up out of our half in an attempt to play Sidibe offside - a risky option. Or the smart thing to do is to be on the half turn and drop 2 or 3 yards immediately.

He does neither. When the pass is played Rocky is still facing/watching the ball and Sidibe has a head start to run in behind. Rocky doesn't know where Sidibe is.

It's poor from Rocky. Rubbish from Triantis and Marshall too but Rocky is badly at fault.

[KazaHibs]

No doubts about it, he will be gone by the end of the season. Foley will put his own man in charge

[Donegal Hibby]

Not sure why you need to tie yourself in knots rather than admit that Rocky is at fault? Same when he was badly at fault away to Killie.

Anyway it wasn't about speed. The St Johnstone player takes 3 touches before delivering the pass. Once their player is facing our goal (taking 2 touches and lifting his head to see the pass), Rocky could either step up out of our half in an attempt to play Sidibe offside - a risky option. Or the smart thing to do is to be on the half turn and drop 2 or 3 yards immediately.

He does neither. When the pass is played Rocky is still facing/watching the ball and Sidibe has a head start to run in behind. Rocky doesn't know where Sidibe is.

It's poor from Rocky. Rubbish from Triantis and Marshall too but Rocky is badly at fault.

Thing about it is , if Campbell another player like Rocky who's often a Scapegoat too had lost the ball like Newell he'd be getting slaughtered from some quarters for it . Newell seems to escape any criticism on the same level as other players or gets defended which is strange .

Neither CH is going to anticipate a dreadful mistake or the rest of the team for that matter from our Captain who had a shocker of a game. And quite frankly i don't think Rocky had time to do what your suggesting he should .

When the ball was given away we had 8 men in their half with only Rocky and Triantis left to defend 2 position , sorry but that one is very much on newell for wanting to much time on the ball and making a dogs dinner of it .

After Fish went off and NMW came on with our defensive midfielder going into defence it was also either NMW or Newell that would have had to provide cover as a defensive midfielder for the CH's if dragged wide due to our fullbacks attacking , I suspect that would have been Newells job as he's done it before too though there's no midfield cover , i think the first player back before they score is Cadden .

You've named Triantis, Rocky and Marshall for being responsible for the goal though totally overlook if Newell passes it rather than taking a touch and losing it they don't get the chance to hit us on the counter attack though . All boils down to losing the ball imo .

[Since452]

The lack of progress being made is frustrating. At this stage of every season (since the season we finished 3rd under Jack Ross) we seem to be struggling to make it into the top six against teams with less resources than us. This year we are on course to be going backwards instead of forwards. After the 32nd game of last season (1-0 Home win V Hearts) we were 6th in the league with 43 points compared to this season, 38 points and sitting in 7th place. We have the exact same number of points now as we did after the 32nd game of season 2021/22 under Maloney.

Says it all really

[Tyler Durden]

Thing about it is , if Campbell another player like Rocky who's often a Scapegoat too had lost the ball like Newell he'd be getting slaughtered from some quarters for it . Newell seems to escape any criticism on the same level as other players or gets defended which is strange .

Neither CH is going to anticipate a dreadful mistake or the rest of the team for that matter from our Captain who had a shocker of a game. And quite frankly i don't think Rocky had time to do what your suggesting he should .

When the ball was given away we had 8 men in their half with only Rocky and Triantis left to defend 4 position , sorry but that one is very much on newell for wanting to much time on the ball and making a dogs dinner of it .

After Fish went off and NMW came on with our defensive midfielder going into defence it was also either NMW or Newell that would have had to provide cover as a defensive midfielder for the CH's if dragged wide due to our fullbacks attacking , I suspect that would have been Newells job as he's done it before too though there's no midfield cover , i think the first player back before they score is Cadden .

You've named Triantis, Rocky and Marshall for being responsible for the goal though totally overlook if Newell passes it rather than taking a touch and losing it they don't get the chance to hit us on the counter attack though . All boils down to losing the ball imo 👍

Some amount of nonsense in one post

“Rocky and Triantis to defend 4 positions”. No point debating with this level of insight

[Brightside]

Both centre backs were at fault. Rocky steps up on the last man - I can only assume he wasn't clear where he was. He should never be that close to last man. Its just daft defending. Perhaps he is assuming that Triantis will cover, but that still doesnt mean you put yourself in a position where you can make no impact on the attacking player.

Rocky also gave the player the inside run on him. By the time he realises and turns the striker already has the space and Rocky has no chance. Again thats pretty basic stuff for the position. Its really just a lack of thought and concentration. Rocky may be physically a good defender but mentally he's nowhere near it. We need an experienced Left sided CB in there for next season. Rocky needs someone to guide him on the pitch.

[Donegal Hibby]

Some amount of nonsense in one post

“Rocky and Triantis to defend 4 positions”. No point debating with this level of insight

Fair enough though there's been many games that Fish has went out to the right side to cover as Rocky has the left with a midfielder dropping deep to cover the centre area because our fullbacks can't get back quick enough . Where was Obita when the ball was played to Sidibeh then .

What is nonsense and on a worse level of insight is not accepting that one of our players give away the ball at a bad time that lead to us losing a goal .

No point debating with that either.

[ehf]

No doubts about it, he will be gone by the end of the season. Foley will put his own man in charge

He needs punted now; with SDG in charge, at least there’s a chance of beating Motherwell and scraping top 6 and, if that happens, a reasonable prospect of a European place. If Monty remains until the end of the season, we will finish 10th.

[Forza Fred]

He needs punted now; with SDG in charge, at least there’s a chance of beating Motherwell and scraping top 6 and, if that happens, a reasonable prospect of a European place. If Monty remains until the end of the season, we will finish 10th.

I’ll keep this post and reread it at the end of the season

Thankfully, the Board take considered decisions…Monty’s future may well depend on finishing 6th, but no decision will be considered until it is mathematically beyond doubt that we can’t do that.

FWIW I reckon we’ll beat Motherwell…it’s the Aberdeen v Dundee game outcome I’m more worried about.

[Wilson]

I’ll keep this post and reread it at the end of the season

Thankfully, the Board take considered decisions…Monty’s future may well depend on finishing 6th, but no decision will be considered until it is mathematically beyond doubt that we can’t do that.

FWIW I reckon we’ll beat Motherwell…it’s the Aberdeen v Dundee game outcome I’m more worried about.

We draw too many away and I think that is the likely result against Motherwell. That's if we put in a good showing! I don't think we're very good and certainly not good enough to expect the away win.

Once the maths is done with it probably won't reflect well on Monty's tenure.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’ll keep this post and reread it at the end of the season

Thankfully, the Board take considered decisions…Monty’s future may well depend on finishing 6th, but no decision will be considered until it is mathematically beyond doubt that we can’t do that.

FWIW I reckon we’ll beat Motherwell…it’s the Aberdeen v Dundee game outcome I’m more worried about.

I reckoned we'd beat Ross County and St Johnstone, I dont reckon we will win at Motherwell, we just dont win many games these days.:boo hoo:

[Unseen work]

I reckoned we'd beat Ross County and St Johnstone, I dont reckon we will win at Motherwell, we just dont win many games these days.:boo hoo:

That makes me think we’ll win then🤔😂

[MWHIBBIES]

He needs punted now; with SDG in charge, at least there’s a chance of beating Motherwell and scraping top 6 and, if that happens, a reasonable prospect of a European place. If Monty remains until the end of the season, we will finish 10th.

Gray shouldn't survive his 4th manager. He can go too.

Doesn't he handle set pieces? We're ****ing gash at attacking and defending those.

[Unseen work]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-future-fan-hurt-quick-fix-4584529

Doesn’t sound like he’s planning on leaving or isn’t settled

[TrinityHFC]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-future-fan-hurt-quick-fix-4584529

Doesn’t sound like he’s planning on leaving or isn’t settled

Like every other manager we’ve had what he has to say is largely irrelevant. If he thinks he is getting three years to be successful he’s got another thing coming.

[Davy Mac]

Whether Fish was ill or not he got ripped a new one in the first half with the pace of that fella, the alarms bells were ringing to why did Monty not deal with him in the second half?

Naive or what.

[Haymaker]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-future-fan-hurt-quick-fix-4584529

Doesn’t sound like he’s planning on leaving or isn’t settledNo Manager is until they get the pay off.

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[Since452]

I think top six should be a prerequisite for any prospective Hibs manager (obviously depending on when they're appointed). They should be told at the interview process that failure to meet that will result in the termination of their contract. It's the bare minimum required. It should be unconditional.

Finishing bottom six after joining 4 games in, one of which we won, is nothing short of a catastrophic failure. No excuse for it and a club like ours shouldn't be accepting it. I'd be very disappointed if we accepted that level of underperformance.

Lets see if he somehow salvages it.

[Dmas]

Whether Fish was ill or not he got ripped a new one in the first half with the pace of that fella, the alarms bells were ringing to why did Monty not deal with him in the second half?

Naive or what.

Ripped a new one? They didn’t have a single shot on target first half, fish got replaced because his passing was brutal and kept giving the ball away, Triantis is better on the ball than him, they caused no threats first half at all for NM to consider

[MWHIBBIES]

Ripped a new one? They didn’t have a single shot on target first half, fish got replaced because his passing was brutal and kept giving the ball away, Triantis is better on the ball than him, they caused no threats first half at all for NM to consider

Correct. Fish was poor and looked a bit laboured. He wasn't getting beat for pace or ripped a new anything.

[Trinity Hibee]

I think top six should be a prerequisite for any prospective Hibs manager (obviously depending on when they're appointed). They should be told at the interview process that failure to meet that will result in the termination of their contract. It's the bare minimum required. It should be unconditional.

Finishing bottom six after joining 4 games in, one of which we won, is nothing short of a catastrophic failure. No excuse for it and a club like ours shouldn't be accepting it. I'd be very disappointed if we accepted that level of underperformance.

Lets see if he somehow salvages it.

Agree entirely. If the club accept bottom 6 from any manager who has had most of a season then it simply isn’t good enough. They are in danger of losing fans quite quickly if this carries on much longer

[Dmas]

Agree entirely. If the club accept bottom 6 from any manager who has had most of a season then it simply isn’t good enough. They are in danger of losing fans quite quickly if this carries on much longer

I agree we should be a top 6 club, but how do you sell what your saying to a manager when they can see we have failed achieving that so many times? manager is right to accept it as a target but is also right to voice needing time to turn around whats been going on

[blackpoolhibs]

That makes me think we’ll win then🤔😂

Will be typical Hibs for us to win, but Dundee to scud the sheep.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Normally in the SPL, you start with being hard to beat and then build from there. NM has made us hard to watch. When he says he's confident of turning things around, I'm not sure if he's talking about what he inherited or what he's created. We have to break the cycle of transition seasons, but so far it looks like he's delivered just that.

[Brightside]

Correct. Fish was poor and looked a bit laboured. He wasn't getting beat for pace or ripped a new anything.

If you look at the stats you’ll struggle to see a more one sided game this season. We got beat due to 2 daft mistakes and us not taking the multitude of chances we created or being wasteful in attacking areas. There was no Levein master class despite what that red faced fat little turd from the BBC would lead people to believe.

[RIP]

My frustration with Nick is that I see a group of talented forwards i.e. Myziane, Alf, Martin, Dylan and Elie.

The strongest outside the Old Firm by far and the best we've had for years.

How he cant get more goals put of thar team is due to poor tactics and being out-thought by more experienced SPL Managers.

The defensive coaching is poor too. Not so much how poor our defenders are but how badly we defend as a team. Too much sitting off and insufficient concentration, blocking and tackling.

We urgently need a new coaching team. Most of the players are good enough for Top 6. The weak link is the coaching team. The club is wasting capable players on a poor coach IMO.

[bingo70]

I think top six should be a prerequisite for any prospective Hibs manager (obviously depending on when they're appointed). They should be told at the interview process that failure to meet that will result in the termination of their contract. It's the bare minimum required. It should be unconditional.

Finishing bottom six after joining 4 games in, one of which we won, is nothing short of a catastrophic failure. No excuse for it and a club like ours shouldn't be accepting it. I'd be very disappointed if we accepted that level of underperformance.

Lets see if he somehow salvages it.

I’ve defended Monty throughout his time in charge however if we were to fail to make top 6 and he got sacked, I don’t think anybody could say the sacking would be harsh.

If he makes top 6, there’s a conversation and a decision to be had about the level of progress or lack of it since coming in but failure to make top 6 then I couldn’t imagine any argument for him staying on other than the people who crave stability regardless of any other factors.

[Brightside]

My frustration with Nick is that I see a group of talented forwards i.e. Myziane, Alf, Martin, Dylan and Elie.

The strongest outside the Old Firm by far and the best we've had for years.

How he cant get more goals put of thar team is due to poor tactics and being out-thought by more experienced SPL Managers.

The defensive coaching is poor too. Not so much how poor our defenders are but how badly we defend as a team. Too much sitting off and insufficient concentration, blocking and tackling.

We urgently need a new coaching team. Most of the players are good enough for Top 6. The weak link is the coaching team. The club is wasting capable players on a poor coach IMO.


We had 70% possession in the game. We had 13 corners to their 3. Their goalies made 6 saves to our goalie ZERO. We had 13 shots - 6 on target. They had 6 shots - 2 on target. Everything points to us dominating the game and our tactics being correct. Any manager is going to struggle with players making individual errors. (Both players have been highly praised on this from this season)

We weren't close to being out-thought by a more experienced SPL manager. Individual errors and VAR is why we are in the bottom 6.

[easty]

If you look at the stats you’ll struggle to see a more one sided game this season. We got beat due to 2 daft mistakes and us not taking the multitude of chances we created or being wasteful in attacking areas. There was no Levein master class despite what that red faced fat little turd from the BBC would lead people to believe.

I agree that it wasn’t a masterclass by Levein, but the goals we conceded weren’t just 2 daft mistakes, they were piss poor defending. The second one especially, cannae call it a daft mistake when it seems like it happens all the time.

Masterclass or not though, Levein is getting the praise he deserves from the BBC. We shouldn’t be getting turned over by St Johnstone at home, great result for them.