Potential takeover/new investor?

[ancient hibee]

I think there should be a discussion about multi jobs. The chief executive of an SPFL club obviosuly should not be chairman of the SFA. It's a clear conflict of interests but the people running the game think that's fine. Scottish football is just unprofessional.

He’s not chairman of the SFA .He’s a chairman of one of the committees of the SFA.There’s no conflict of interest . It’s the Professional Game Committee and it’s right that it should be chaired by someone representing the SPFL .He used to work for the SFA So he knows how it works.

[scm70nyd1973]

Was it Bournemouth that absolutely schooled us in pre season? Men against boys. I'd gladly take some of those lads at Hibs. They are operating many levels above us.

Yes it was them - nice bunch of fans there - might see them again some day soon as we”ll be “cousins” 🤞

[ancient hibee]

You are right of course but the Hearts man making comments like that is clearly displaying a conflict of interest and isn't an impartial look.
If he disagrees with something why shouldn’t he say so?Are we getting like the OF and expecting that it should be our way or the highway?

[mcohibs]

If he disagrees with something why shouldn’t he say so?Are we getting like the OF and expecting that it should be our way or the highway?

If he has been privy to a behind closed doors discussion, and will be involved in the decision making process of the proposal, then he should not be commenting publicly. Whether he agrees with it or not.

[Daniel 1875]

Is McKinlay not talking more broadly about the idea of multi-club ownership?

It’s hard to tell in an isolated clip what the question was actually about - but his answer sounds a bit like he’s referring to the change in SFA rules which would be needed to allow two clubs to be majority owned by one person (and has been reported in the media as a hot topic for the SFA) rather than specifically about the meeting which took place yesterday re Foley and his reported minority investment in Hibs.

[Ringothedog]

If he disagrees with something why shouldn’t he say so?Are we getting like the OF and expecting that it should be our way or the highway?

2 reasons
He is involved in the decision making and should not be making public his personal thoughts on this. The second more important point is that he is a slavering Hearts muppet

[SaulGoodman]

It's not the 1980s.

It’s not? Well what am I going to do with this Hulk Hogan bandana? Brother.

[J-C]

Is it just me but surely 25% stake in a club isn't multi club ownership, the Gordon's still retain their majority, Hibs are doing nothing wrong or illegal.

[mcohibs]

Is McKinlay not talking more broadly about the idea of multi-club ownership?

It’s hard to tell in an isolated clip what the question was actually about - but his answer sounds a bit like he’s referring to the change in SFA rules which would be needed to allow two clubs to be majority owned by one person (and has been reported in the media as a hot topic for the SFA) rather than specifically about the meeting which took place yesterday re Foley and his reported minority investment in Hibs.

The issue at hand I believe is the multi club interest rule at the SFA. Regardless of whether that investment is a minority or a majority holding. As far as I understand it anyway.

[Daniel 1875]

The issue at hand I believe is the multi club interest rule at the SFA. Regardless of whether that investment is a minority or a majority holding. As far as I understand it anyway.

There is precedent for minority ownership and as long as it’s less than 25% of a club it just needs to be approved by the SFA board. As others have said this is how Mike Ashley was able to buy a stake in Rangers while he was Newcastle owner.

There’s been some other reporting of the fact that the SFA were looking to change the rule on dual majority ownership - which is what I take McKinlay to be talking about when he says there needs to be a wider discussion about it.

If the SFA decide to allow majority multi-club ownership (which is currently used in the likes of the City Group with Man City, Melbourne City, New York City etc), then there are obviously wide ranging impacts on the whole of Scottish football so there would need to be a proper discussion around that before the SFA change/remove the current rules.

But as I say without the question and wider context of McKinlay’s answer it’s difficult to know exactly what he was talking about - possibly just the general idea of both things.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

It’s not? Well what am I going to do with this Hulk Hogan bandana? Brother.

You weren't, by any chance, watching Pointless this week?

[04Sauzee]

Was it Bournemouth that absolutely schooled us in pre season? Men against boys. I'd gladly take some of those lads at Hibs. They are operating many levels above us.

It was and the team that they put out that day was

AFC Bournemouth: Travers (Randolph, 31, Neto, 61), Smith (Zabarnyi, 54), Mepham (Bevan, 61), Senesi (Hill, 48), Greenwood, Cook (Sadi, 61), Kilkenny, Brooks (Ouattara, 61), Christie, Moore (Billing, 61), Anthony (Kluivert, 48).

Not sure how many are in the first team. How many are just young boys. Not sure if any of them would be available to us?

[Rumble de Thump]

It was and the team that they put out that day was

AFC Bournemouth: Travers (Randolph, 31, Neto, 61), Smith (Zabarnyi, 54), Mepham (Bevan, 61), Senesi (Hill, 48), Greenwood, Cook (Sadi, 61), Kilkenny, Brooks (Ouattara, 61), Christie, Moore (Billing, 61), Anthony (Kluivert, 48).

Not sure how many are in the first team. How many are just young boys. Not sure if any of them would be available to us?

Very impressive. I didn't realise they were all so old.

[StevesFamau5]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it but Foley is also creating a new A League side from Auckland which is to try and push for more football in New Zealand at a higher level, currently only Wellington Phoenix represent the Kiwi's in the A League. Also has plans to buy a Belgian team and stated that the goal for Bournemouth is Europe. I believe they tied Solanke and Billing to long term deals.

Far from a happy clapper but I like the way he goes about it.

[Jay]

Now that I've dragged us back into 2023 could I ask if possible to report posts rather than respond. We get to them quicker and have less tidying up . :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

Very impressive. I didn't realise they were all so old.

:faf:

[blackpoolhibs]

Very impressive. I didn't realise they were all so old.
:faf::top marks

[cabbageandribs1875]

Yes it was them - nice bunch of fans there - might see them again some day soon as we”ll be “cousins” 🤞

Will we start having a black knights pre-season tournament :)

[Haymaker]

Will we start having a black knights pre-season tournament :)

West Point is a lovely place and does have a men's "soccer" team so would be a fun tournament.

[Crunchie]

Will we start having a black knights pre-season tournament :)
You surely joust :rolleyes:

[scm70nyd1973]

Will we start having a black knights pre-season tournament :)

First one should be in Auckland 👍

[Auckland Hibs]

First one should be in Auckland 👍

Agreed 👍

[scm70nyd1973]

Agreed 👍

Don’t suppose you wanna buy my rego at a knock down price -lived there for 8 years -Browns Bay dude I was - rego is H1BEES 😁 Once a JAFA always a JAFA

[007]

Someone posted on here a day or 2 ago that's Hearts fans were emailing McKinlay telling him to scupper the deal. You just know those same fans will be posting all over social media slaaging it off saying how bad it will be for Hibs.

[cabbageandribs1875]

West Point is a lovely place and does have a men's "soccer" team so would be a fun tournament.


ok so

Hibs
Bournemouth
FC Lorient
Auckland
Belgian side
Netherlands side


First one should be in Auckland 👍

only if Bill lays on transport :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

First one should be in Auckland ��


my parents visited there a few times on their travels visiting relations :agree: they loved it, my relations lived in Pakuranga

[scm70nyd1973]

ok so

Hibs
Bournemouth
FC Lorient
Auckland
Belgian side
Netherlands side



only if Bill lays on transport :greengrin

Emirates biz class will do 🤞

[Joe6-2]

Not sure if this has been answered previously, but do we know when a decision will be made?

[CapitalGreen]

Not sure if this has been answered previously, but do we know when a decision will be made?

No

[tamig]

FFS. It’s the Gordons not Gordon’s. Gaunnae no dae that? 🙄

[Joe6-2]

No

Thanks

[scm70nyd1973]

So if it all goes well with the investment and we end up a top side - how funny would it be if (without the 2 erse cheeks baggage) we got invited into the EPL 😂

[Keepthefaith]

An interesting aspect for me is that Monty has a good friend working on the coaching staff there. Reliable info re players ability, good communication set up already between the respective clubs and you imagine they've already been discussing who can/ should come to us in jan.

Everything looks to be setting up nicely.

[Greencore]

So if it all goes well with the investment and we end up a top side - how funny would it be if (without the 2 erse cheeks baggage) we got invited into the EPL 😂

If we become a top side and the two of them go. Think of the possibilities of winning 10 in a row 😂

[K-Zazu]

Does anyone know if Ron Gordon and Bill Foley knew each other before Ron’s passing?

[scm70nyd1973]

If we become a top side and the two of them go. Think of the possibilities of winning 10 in a row 😂

That would be better 🤭

[aberhibsfc]

I find the Hearts Chief Exec philanthropic warbling for our wellbeing heartwarming, certainly more so than his forebear Wallace Merger.

Who would have known so much love could be extended across the city's rivalry.

I feared that he might have been worried, jealous even, but I've been proved wrong.

He is truly demonstrating this is the time of year for peace and goodwill to all.

I can't wait to see him cheering us on as we defeat his beloved Hearts in the next derby.

The man is a leg-end.

[jacomo]

So if it all goes well with the investment and we end up a top side - how funny would it be if (without the 2 erse cheeks baggage) we got invited into the EPL 😂


The game (probably) is American money betting on a European Super League of some sort.

[gbhibby]

So if it all goes well with the investment and we end up a top side - how funny would it be if (without the 2 erse cheeks baggage) we got invited into the EPL 😂

AFC Bournemouth Hibernian

[Auckland Hibs]

Don’t suppose you wanna buy my rego at a knock down price -lived there for 8 years -Browns Bay dude I was - rego is H1BEES 😁 Once a JAFA always a JAFA

Already got mine HIBS 07 👍

[scm70nyd1973]

Already got mine HIBS 07 👍

Nice one - pity I never saw you on the motorway - I did have a joust (no connection with the potential Black Knoghts pun line here) with “Rangerz” and “Celt1c” cars on a slip road at Oteha Road/Highway 1.

Lived in AKL and Melbourne before that. Saw 3 other Hibs Regos in both but never saw one Jambo effort. Mind you I don’t think you can buy Rover cars over there 🤭

[Greenworld]

I think there should be a discussion about multi jobs. The chief executive of an SPFL club obviosuly should not be chairman of the SFA. It's a clear conflict of interests but the people running the game think that's fine. Scottish football is just unprofessional.He is not chairman he is on the board .

The Board

The main Board consists of eight members: the Scottish FA Office Bearers (Mike Mulraney, President; Ian Maxwell, Chief Executive; and Leslie Gray, Vice President), plus Andrew McKinlay (PGB), Aileen Campbell (NPGB) and independent non-executive directors,*Ana Stewart and Malcolm*Kpedekpo.




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[CapitalGreen]

He is not chairman he is on the board .

The Board

The main Board consists of eight members: the Scottish FA Office Bearers (Mike Mulraney, President; Ian Maxwell, Chief Executive; and Leslie Gray, Vice President), plus Andrew McKinlay (PGB), Aileen Campbell (NPGB) and independent non-executive directors,*Ana Stewart and Malcolm*Kpedekpo.


He’s Chair of the Professional Game board which is the relevant one dealing with our proposal.

27502

[gorgie greens]

[QUOTE=CapitalGreen;7528569]He’s Chair of the Professional Game board which is the relevant one dealing with our proposal.

27502[/QUOTE
Pretty relevant then .
Hopefully it won't rest solely with him

[Dazzjw1875]

Where i am at is I think if there was any danger of this investment not being accepted Hibs wouldn't post anything.. Think the hearts guy is just trying to save face within his own support in regards to making out he was the only one to try block it?? Ofcourse I could be total wrong on all of the above.

[GreenCastle]

The Hearts video also is the guy shooting himself in the foot.

Basically if someone comes to offer Hearts something similar he will have to change his comments.

He would have been better staying quiet.

[Ozyhibby]

The Hearts video also is the guy shooting himself in the foot.

Basically if someone comes to offer Hearts something similar he will have to change his comments.

He would have been better staying quiet.

Very difficult for Hearts to be able to accept any new investment. 90% is a very high bar to get over.


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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Very difficult for Hearts to be able to accept any new investment. 90% is a very high bar to get over.


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They'd need to clear it with Sooks on JKB which could be even tougher.

[Nicho87]

Surely it has to go to an independent board

I don’t understand how things like this which will mainly benefit one club is in the hands of board members from other clubs

[SHODAN]

The Hearts video also is the guy shooting himself in the foot.

Basically if someone comes to offer Hearts something similar he will have to change his comments.

He would have been better staying quiet.

Hearts will have zero problems being complete hypocrites; they have previous and this guy knows what he's doing.

[Chorley Hibee]

[QUOTE=CapitalGreen;7528569]He’s Chair of the Professional Game board which is the relevant one dealing with our proposal.

27502[/QUOTE
Pretty relevant then .
Hopefully it won't rest solely with him

Given his position then, it's thoroughly unprofessional to be passing any comment on the matter.

Doesn't surprise me in the least though, and certainly not from someone in a Hearts capacity either.

Professionalism is a lost cause at that place.

[Aldo]

[QUOTE=gorgie greens;7528571]

Given his position then, it's thoroughly unprofessional to be passing any comment on the matter.

Doesn't surprise me in the least though, and certainly not from someone in a Hearts capacity either.

Professionalism is a lost cause at that place.

What’s done is done and he’s been asked a loaded question by Jambo McLaughlin about it but instead of saying there is an ongoing process he’s commented. The bit about smaller clubs seeking investment made me laugh as they cannot help themselves.

On the other hand if this does get booted out (it won’t) then I’d be asking why he’s commenting on an ongoing confidential process. Would he have commented like he did if Sevco or Celtic were involved? I think not.

[Eyrie]

As I've posted elsewhere, someone like Foley wouldn't have come this far unless his advisors were very confident the deal will go through. And if it doesn't then he will have far better lawyers for the appeal than the SFA can afford.

[USA_Hibee]

Acting more like a small, scared team than a big team. It's very funny.

[Hibernian Verse]

[QUOTE=Chorley Hibee;7528625]

What’s done is done and he’s been asked a loaded question by Jambo McLaughlin about it but instead of saying there is an ongoing process he’s commented. The bit about smaller clubs seeking investment made me laugh as they cannot help themselves.

On the other hand if this does get booted out (it won’t) then I’d be asking why he’s commenting on an ongoing confidential process. Would he have commented like he did if Sevco or Celtic were involved? I think not.

To be fair he didn't say anything about smaller clubs seeking investment, implying Hibs in the process.

He said he didn't want the SPFL becoming a league of smaller clubs within multi club systems.

[Joe6-2]

[QUOTE=Chorley Hibee;7528625]

What’s done is done and he’s been asked a loaded question by Jambo McLaughlin about it but instead of saying there is an ongoing process he’s commented. The bit about smaller clubs seeking investment made me laugh as they cannot help themselves.

On the other hand if this does get booted out (it won’t) then I’d be asking why he’s commenting on an ongoing confidential process. Would he have commented like he did if Sevco or Celtic were involved? I think not.

Is it the general feeling it will get through ok?

[Aldo]

[QUOTE=Aldo;7528648]

To be fair he didn't say anything about smaller clubs seeking investment, implying Hibs in the process.

He said he didn't want the SPFL becoming a league of smaller clubs within multi club systems.

No but we all know what he meant by this. Cannot help himself. Why say smaller clubs.

[Rumble de Thump]

He is not chairman he is on the board .

The Board

The main Board consists of eight members: the Scottish FA Office Bearers (Mike Mulraney, President; Ian Maxwell, Chief Executive; and Leslie Gray, Vice President), plus Andrew McKinlay (PGB), Aileen Campbell (NPGB) and independent non-executive directors,*Ana Stewart and Malcolm*Kpedekpo.

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Yes. But, in my defence, he is still a slavering mess.

[MikeyS]

They'd need to clear it with Sooks on JKB which could be even tougher.

And this other moron that's appeared and is determined to tell everyone in each post that Charlton fans are t happy with their set up......no quite sure what the relevance is but he's VERY worked up about it!

[Greenworld]

He’s Chair of the Professional Game board which is the relevant one dealing with our proposal.

27502I knew that bit but thought he reported back the feeling of that group to sfa heads who ultimately made the decission?

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[bingo70]

That might be a bit tricky.......

It’s legal eagle David Winnie I want to hear from.

[Bahrain Hibee]

Already got mine HIBS 07 👍

That’s my registration here in Melbourne victoria!

[BoomtownHibees]

Any word from Leslie Deans yet? He appeared to have a firm understanding of the rules a few seasons back.

Might need a shovel

[O'Rourke3]

That might be a bit tricky.......
Oh shoot. Had to go and look. I'll delete the comment....

[Green Reaper]

And this other moron that's appeared and is determined to tell everyone in each post that Charlton fans are t happy with their set up......no quite sure what the relevance is but he's VERY worked up about it!

Aye, the guys a clown, there is no similar situation for Charlton or fan outrage, the guy has completely made it up and others like sooks (tell me he didn't get that nickname while wearing a maroon sweatshirt in Saughton) just believe anything he says, just another comfort blanket as they are terrified of what is about to happen

[GreenCastle]

And this other moron that's appeared and is determined to tell everyone in each post that Charlton fans are t happy with their set up......no quite sure what the relevance is but he's VERY worked up about it!

The Charlton situation and ownership is totally different to what Hibs are looking to do.

Hearts fans clutching at straws - worried and dreading what could actually happen if this is successful.

I would be worried if I was a Jambo and the ownership model they have - unless they start investing more they will continue to have the same outcomes. If less money is put in - less donations and Anderson donations then they should be really worried.

[IanM]

Would happily take Saudi money after yesterday

[Not In The Know]

If this doesn’t go through in time for the Jan window, the club need to act like it has and get players in. The cash can come in later and pay for it.

it would be a huge loss if out of the 3 years of the gtd group stage football herts or Aberdeen got it twice and us none.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Very difficult for Hearts to be able to accept any new investment. 90% is a very high bar to get over.


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The FoH only owns 75.1% doesn't it?

[Gmack7]

The FoH only owns 75.1% doesn't it?

I think they need a 90% vote of the members to change things as it stands

[linlithgowhibbie]

I think they need a 90% vote of the members to change things as it stands

Correct, big decisions like selling Tynie, changing colours, selling shares to new owners, or changing team name need 90% of the donators {FOH} to agree

[sleeping giant]

Not sure if I've missed it but not heard any mention of this at all on Sportsound or Off the Ball.

[A Hi-Bee]

Not sure if I've missed it but not heard any mention of this at all on Sportsound or Off the Ball.

Ha, ha surprised, no I am not.

[Joe6-2]

Anyone know when we find anything out?

[Greencore]

Not sure if I've missed it but not heard any mention of this at all on Sportsound or Off the Ball.

😂😂😂😂 no chance sadly.

[Leithenhibby]

Not sure if I've missed it but not heard any mention of this at all on Sportsound or Off the Ball.

Alan Preston and others talked about it (all be it a short conversation) yesterday on, Open All Mics...

Nothing was added other than what has already been said on social media.

Glory Glory

[.Sean.]

Will it be the new year before we get an update on this now?

[Centre Hawf]

Will it be the new year before we get an update on this now?

I imagine so. I know some people were excited at the prospect of January being a big one with this happening but I wouldn't be surprised if this is something doesn't get over the line for a few months still.

[Hibernian Verse]

I imagine so. I know some people were excited at the prospect of January being a big one with this happening but I wouldn't be surprised if this is something doesn't get over the line for a few months still.

If we know the investment is coming hopefully we can still speculate to accumulate.

[Centre Hawf]

If we know the investment is coming hopefully we can still speculate to accumulate.

Spending money you don't currently have regardless of how confident you are in it being there one day is a slippery slope.

[Jack]

Will it be the new year before we get an update on this now?

I don't see why there should be any delay. The proposal would need to be complete I'd suggest before the presentation to the authorities last week.

Given that was a positive meeting I don't see why they wouldn't drive back to Easter Road pop the documentation in an envelope and post it off!

[matty_f]

I don't see why there should be any delay. The proposal would need to be complete I'd suggest before the presentation to the authorities last week.

Given that was a positive meeting I don't see why they wouldn't drive back to Easter Road pop the documentation in an envelope and post it off!

That’s what I think as well, there doesn’t really need to be any delay from here, even allowing for Christmas etc, the SFA don’t shut down over the festive period as there are games right through.

[ancient hibee]

Spending money you don't currently have regardless of how confident you are in it being there one day is a slippery slope.

Yeh. The cheque's in the post has never been a great way to do business.

[Real Emerald]

Spending money you don't currently have regardless of how confident you are in it being there one day is a slippery slope.

I once went into debt to buy a pair of skis. That was me on my way to the slippery slope. 😂

[Bostonhibby]

Yeh. The cheque's in the post has never been a great way to do business.Agreed, having our own bank and owing it to ourselves is the tried and trusted way[emoji6]

With a few charity tins as a contingency.

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[Greenio]

Even if it does go through Im not in favour of rushing into anything when it comes to investing, esp in Jan, and I doubt very much Hibs would be either. They'll have players they would have already been working on bringing in and some that'll go out.

If this deal going through does make extra funds coming in soonish or loan deals etc being opened up (and we dont even know that's the case) we should make the summer the time for all that to happen imo

[mcohibs]

Even if it does go through Im not in favour of rushing into anything when it comes to investing, esp in Jan, and I doubt very much Hibs would be either. They'll have players they would have already been working on bringing in and some that'll go out.

If this deal going through does make extra funds coming in soonish or loan deals etc being opened up (and we dont even know that's the case) we should make the summer the time for all that to happen imo

And run the risk of missing out on potentially the last year that finishing 3rd gets you guaranteed group stage in Europe?

If funds are available in January I’d be amazed if Hibs don’t push for significant movement in the window.

[Chorley Hibee]

And run the risk of missing out on potentially the last year that finishing 3rd gets you guaranteed group stage in Europe?

If funds are available in January I’d be amazed if Hibs don’t push for significant movement in the window.

Agreed.

We shouldn't be letting the potential benefits of a third place finish slip by us yet again.

[greenlex]

Even if it does go through Im not in favour of rushing into anything when it comes to investing, esp in Jan, and I doubt very much Hibs would be either. They'll have players they would have already been working on bringing in and some that'll go out.

If this deal going through does make extra funds coming in soonish or loan deals etc being opened up (and we dont even know that's the case) we should make the summer the time for all that to happen imo
There will be targets we are working on with the investment and those we are working on without it.

[JohnM1875]

And run the risk of missing out on potentially the last year that finishing 3rd gets you guaranteed group stage in Europe?

If funds are available in January I’d be amazed if Hibs don’t push for significant movement in the window.

Without a shadow of a doubt! Next season has potential to be the last season finishing third (or winning the SC) guarantees group stage football.

We need to do all we can in January to improve the squad.

[Hibernian Verse]

Spending money you don't currently have regardless of how confident you are in it being there one day is a slippery slope.

I’m not suggesting we splash millions, but if there’s a player worth 500k that can make a real difference to this side then we should be trying to get that done.

All hypothetical anyway

[Greenio]

And run the risk of missing out on potentially the last year that finishing 3rd gets you guaranteed group stage in Europe?

If funds are available in January I’d be amazed if Hibs don’t push for significant movement in the window.

What funds? How much we getting?

I just can't see this guy taking the % he is (I get there's a long term play of some sorts) and then just throwing cash at quick fix signings in a Jan window under a manager not long in the door

Could be wrong but just doesn't sound smart.

Also, zero guarantee that strategy gets us 3rd anyway

We're all getting ahead of ourselves

I might be wrong but I don't think this proposed deal will have any baring on the Jan window

[Centre Hawf]

I’m not suggesting we splash millions, but if there’s a player worth 500k that can make a real difference to this side then we should be trying to get that done.

All hypothetical anyway

Definitely. The only issue is what is currently left in the budget, although Melkersen may have added to that.

[jeffers]

What funds? How much we getting?

I just can't see this guy taking the % he is (I get there's a long term play of some sorts) and then just throwing cash at quick fix signings in a Jan window under a manager not long in the door

Could be wrong but just doesn't sound smart.

Also, zero guarantee that strategy gets us 3rd anyway

We're all getting ahead of ourselves

I might be wrong but I don't think this proposed deal will have any baring on the Jan window

That depends on whether the Gordon family are just planning on pocketing the money they will receive from selling shares to Foley or using it, or at least some of it, to invest in the club. If it’s the latter then Foley won’t need to put in any additional funds.

[Not In The Know]

And run the risk of missing out on potentially the last year that finishing 3rd gets you guaranteed group stage in Europe?

If funds are available in January I’d be amazed if Hibs don’t push for significant movement in the window.


100% this.

[Colr]

Not sure if I've missed it but not heard any mention of this at all on Sportsound or Off the Ball.

That’s because it’s nothing to do with the Old Firm.

[Jack]

The negotiations between Hibs and Foley have been going on for some time, long enough to work up a proposal that was positively received by the football authorities.

I'm fairly certain investment in terms of players and money etc. coming to Hibs will be at an equally advanced stage and agreed in principle.

I'd be disappointed if we didn't see some action with the new partnership in January. Particularly given the benefits of European league stage football for 3rd/Cup is probably in its final season.

For the partnership to get off to the best possible start we need to secure 3rd.

[hibsforeurope]

Surely even if it's not officially agreed we could still be thrown some loans from teams in the group that would improve the squad.

[Col2]

Alan Preston and others talked about it (all be it a short conversation) yesterday on, Open All Mics...

Nothing was added other than what has already been said on social media.

Glory Glory

Yes I heard that. Preston said his Hibs supporting mates were very excited about it but said McInlay (CEO) wasn’t happy about it. I assumed it was referencing the recent BBC clip rather than anything more.

[gorgie greens]

Surely even if it's not officially agreed we could still be thrown some loans from teams in the group that would improve the squad.

Exactly, if the last 3 games are to go by we need strengthening big time as we are a good bit away from free flowing football and as previous managers have found to their cost these players aren't good enough

[MelbourneHibees]

£6million initial investment according to The ****.
For players and upgrading EM.

[BoomtownHibees]

Who or what is ‘the ****’

The Sun

[SaulGoodman]

https://youtu.be/HMuYfScGpbE?si=9qvszSUrhk9EW0v8

[Greencore]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/transfer-news-live-celtic-rangers-31423437

[JimBHibees]

Assume an indoor full size pitch at East mains would make complete sense

[jeffers]

I know it’s the Sun, but it does say we’ve made it clear he’s not going to be calling the shots. Which I wouldn’t expect a minority shareholder to be doing regardless of how rich he is.

[04Sauzee]

To be brutally honest, that’ll not touch the sides of what’s needed, and is a waste of time. Any investment is welcome but if that’s correct then that just brings us in line with Hearts, if that.

You don't actually believe it's a waste of time surely?

[SaulGoodman]

To be brutally honest, that’ll not touch the sides of what’s needed, and is a waste of time. Any investment is welcome but if that’s correct then that just brings us in line with Hearts, if that.

6 million as an initial investment is more than welcome in my eyes.

[superfurryhibby]

To be brutally honest, that’ll not touch the sides of what’s needed, and is a waste of time. Any investment is welcome but if that’s correct then that just brings us in line with Hearts, if that.

:rolleyes:

We should turn him down?

[matty_f]

You don't actually believe it's a waste of time surely?

Nah, not a compete waste of time at all. Just being hysterical.

If it’s spent well it’ll make a massive difference.

[tamig]

To be brutally honest, that’ll not touch the sides of what’s needed, and is a waste of time. Any investment is welcome but if that’s correct then that just brings us in line with Hearts, if that.

You can’t be being brutally honest Matty. That’s a nonsense statement.

Edit - just seen you were being hysterical 😀

[matty_f]

You can’t be being brutally honest Matty. That’s a nonsense statement.

No, I was being hysterical as per the post after it. It’ll make a massive difference if spent well.

[04Sauzee]

Nah, not a compete waste of time at all. Just being hysterical.

If it’s spent well it’ll make a massive difference.

I think if we get the initial 6 million and some of that gets the full size indoor facility that we have been talking about for what seems like years then it can only be good for the club. The rest can go on the playing budget, assuming that is over and above what the club already puts towards the playing budget?

I'd assume we'd still have access to better/more analytical support etc.

[Nicho87]

Don’t want to be ungrateful

But just get it invested on player recruitment and get the lads an upgrade to a complete water proof jacket and save a few quid on an indoor pitch

We want success quickly


🤘

[matty_f]

I think if we get the initial 6 million and some of that gets the full size indoor facility that we have been talking about for what seems like years then it can only be good for the club. The rest can go on the playing budget, assuming that is over and above what the club already puts towards the playing budget?

I'd assume we'd still have access to better/more analytical support etc.

Would hope so, the training pitch will be a big benefit, and you could see us “smash” our transfer record.

Wonder if we’ll also see loan players coming in from the group?

[Smartie]

Nah, not a compete waste of time at all. Just being hysterical.

If it’s spent well it’ll make a massive difference.

We really need to be sounding out Fitzroy Simpson re his availability.

[MacBean]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/24001472.bournemouth-owner-foley-planning-initial-6m-hibs-investment/

[Bridge hibs]

I know it’s the Sun, but it does say we’ve made it clear he’s not going to be calling the shots. Which I wouldn’t expect a minority shareholder to be doing regardless of how rich he is.

There have been conflicting reports over what Foley's role will be if it goes through but they (The Gordons) have assured the SFA he will not be in charge of the football operation.

A new report from the Scottish Sun says his initial £6m investment will go mostly towards recruitment but also into upgrading the East Mains training ground

[matty_f]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/24001472.bournemouth-owner-foley-planning-initial-6m-hibs-investment/

“Initial” is interesting. This is him just getting started, clearly!

Exciting times ahead.

[Bridge hibs]

“Initial” is interesting. This is him just getting started, clearly!

Exciting times ahead.

Foley is just emptying the loose change from his pockets, initially 😊

[Greencore]

Usa usa usa

[jeffers]

There have been conflicting reports over what Foley's role will be if it goes through but they (The Gordons) have assured the SFA he will not be in charge of the football operation.

A new report from the Scottish Sun says his initial £6m investment will go mostly towards recruitment but also into upgrading the East Mains training ground

It would have been a brilliant deal for him if he got full control of the football operation for a 25% stake. I’d originally hoped it was going to be a bit more but simplistically it’s valuing the club at £24m. Even if Sir Tom sold us at a bargain price it’s still a decent increase in the valuation since that date.

As someone who didn’t want him gaining full control I’m happy with this news. The fact that it’s talking about it going to the development of the club, in whatever form that takes says a lot about the Gordon family imo. They could have just pocketed the money and got the other anticipated benefits from being involved with the Black Knight group.

[Bridge hibs]

Loadsa money !!! 27512 😀

[matty_f]

It would have been a brilliant deal for him if he got full control of the football operation for a 25% stake. I’d originally hoped it was going to be a bit more but simplistically it’s valuing the club at £24m. Even if Sir Tom sold us at a bargain price it’s still a decent increase in the valuation since that date.

As someone who didn’t want him gaining full control I’m happy with this news. The fact that it’s talking about it going to the development of the club, in whatever form that takes says a lot about the Gordon family imo. They could have just pocketed the money and got the other anticipated benefits from being involved with the Black Knight group.

Think it gives an idea of whether the money is going to the Gordons or to the club… unless Foley’s done both!

[Bridge hibs]

It would have been a brilliant deal for him if he got full control of the football operation for a 25% stake. I’d originally hoped it was going to be a bit more but simplistically it’s valuing the club at £24m. Even if Sir Tom sold us at a bargain price it’s still a decent increase in the valuation since that date.

As someone who didn’t want him gaining full control I’m happy with this news. The fact that it’s talking about it going to the development of the club, in whatever form that takes says a lot about the Gordon family imo. They could have just pocketed the money and got the other anticipated benefits from being involved with the Black Knight group.I agree but remember this is just chat from a couple of rags, it will be interesting to see the finer details when its all been rubber stamped and the fact the press have printed stuff tells me, or at least I hope this will be concluded prior to the January window opening

One thing for sure though is that if clubs get wind of us having x amount of millions selling clubs might start taking the piss

[JohnM1875]

An initial £6m is fantastic for us! If it’s done in time for Jan and we add in the Melkersen money and we could some recruit some real quality.

Huge few games before the break. If we can stay in touch of third second half of the season could be a classic.

[HoboHarry]

I agree but remember this is just chat from a couple of rags, it will be interesting to see the finer details when its all been rubber stamped and the fact the press have printed stuff tells me, or at least I hope this will be concluded prior to the January window opening

One thing for sure though is that if clubs get wind of us having x amount of millions selling clubs might start taking the piss
Would only happen if we allowed them to and I get the feeling our signings will be coming from outwith Scotland.

[jeffers]

I agree but remember this is just chat from a couple of rags, it will be interesting to see the finer details when its all been rubber stamped and the fact the press have printed stuff tells me, or at least I hope this will be concluded prior to the January window opening

One thing for sure though is that if clubs get wind of us having x amount of millions selling clubs might start taking the piss

That is true, but all along the little I’ve heard was that this investment was about benefiting the club, not the Gordon family making money. I’d think the rags will not to be too far off the mark. I’m officially excited.

I’d expect us to pay what we think any player is worth even if selling clubs do try it on.

[matty_f]

That is true, but all along the little I’ve heard was that this investment was about benefiting the club, not the Gordon family making money. I’d think the rags will not to be too far off the mark. I’m officially excited.

I’d expect us to pay what we think any player is worth even if selling clubs do try it on.

:agree: definitely excited by this.

[jeffers]

:agree: definitely excited by this.

Good to hear. Glad you quickly changed your mind :greengrin

Joking aside if we can use £6m wisely then it could be a game changer for us this season not to mention the potential for loans.

[matty_f]

Good to hear. Glad you quickly changed your mind :greengrin

Joking aside if we can use £6m wisely then it could be a game changer for us this season not to mention the potential for loans.

To be honest, I just saw the number and never read anything and thought “that’s just what Hearts get” and then I actually read what was posted :faf:

[Greencore]

Anyone got a list of the wage budget of sheep and gunts? Where would that leave us on terms with them?

[matty_f]

Anyone got a list of the wage budget of sheep and gunts? Where would that leave us on terms with them?

Don’t know about the wage budget but Anderson donated £4.5m in the last accounts plus £1.6m from FoH. So just over £6m donated in their last accounts so you can see that it’s important that we spend it wisely.

[Real Emerald]

I thought the whole idea of his investment was to bring in players his group had identified as potential Premiership players and he would bring them through Hibs before moving them on. Chucking £6m into Hibs coffers for our recruitment team to sign players would be completely opposite to what their plan is.

Hibs said there would be no further comment. It sounds like someone’s plucked a figure out the air to create a story out of nothing to me.

[HoboHarry]

I thought the whole idea of his investment was to bring in players his group had identified as potential Premiership players and he would bring them through Hibs before moving them on. Chucking £6m into Hibs coffers for our recruitment team to sign players would be completely opposite to what their plan is.

Hibs said there would be no further comment. It sounds like someone’s plucked a figure out the air to create a story out of nothing to me.

I just posted similar on the transfer thread. I doubt that Foleys vision includes buying average players to make us a little bit better, it'll be players in whom his scouting team have a belief that they can move to higher levels.

[Real Emerald]

I just posted similar on the transfer thread. I doubt that Foleys vision includes buying average players to make us a little bit better, it'll be players in whom his scouting team have a belief that they can move to higher levels.

Totally agree, sounds like a load of pish.

[Unseen work]

I thought the whole idea of his investment was to bring in players his group had identified as potential Premiership players and he would bring them through Hibs before moving them on. Chucking £6m into Hibs coffers for our recruitment team to sign players would be completely opposite to what their plan is.

Hibs said there would be no further comment. It sounds like someone’s plucked a figure out the air to create a story out of nothing to me.

Could be a bit of both.

They give us money and a nudge to say have a look at this player our recruitment team found but Bournemouth can’t sign because of his work permit etc

There will undoubtedly be a sharing of information on players found etc

[jeffers]

I just posted similar on the transfer thread. I doubt that Foleys vision includes buying average players to make us a little bit better, it'll be players in whom his scouting team have a belief that they can move to higher levels.

I’m viewing it, maybe wrongly, as a partnership formalised by Foley having a minority stake in us. Not every signing we make will be ones just to be moved on. Pretty Boy did a great job of explaining the setup/signings that have been happening at Girona.

[Real Emerald]

Could be a bit of both.

They give us money and a nudge to say have a look at this player our recruitment team found but Bournemouth can’t sign because of his work permit etc

There will undoubtedly be a sharing of information on players found etc

But why would they waste money on players if they’re planning to bring in their own, it makes no sense if their intentions are as we’ve been led to believe. £6m is just click bait.

[Vault Boy]

I think it’s worth noting that his stated goal the first time he mentioned investing in a Scottish Prem team was to get them finishing 3rd place consistently - to then bring in the benefits of qualifying for Europe and, I suppose, to build a platform for player trading that would benefit the multi-club pyramid later down the line.

It could be that in order to get us aiming squarely for 3rd every season, we’ll have a few transfer cycles where we aren’t necessarily in the market for players that could make it to Bournemouth one day.

[HoboHarry]

But why would they waste money on players if they’re planning to bring in their own, it makes no sense if their intentions are as we’ve been led to believe. £6m is just click bait.
They could very easily point us in the direction of players who they believe have genuine potential but aren't ready for the EPL. Properly managed they could at least gain experience in Europe.

[jeffers]

But why would they waste money on players if they’re planning to bring in their own, it makes no sense if their intentions are as we’ve been led to believe. £6m is just click bait.

At the moment it’s just speculation to suggest he’ll be giving us money to sign players. For now he’s paying £6m (or whatever the actual amount is) to buy part of the club.

It’s also about growing us, making us best of the rest, increase revenue, reach the group stages of Europe.

[HoboHarry]

At the moment it’s just speculation to suggest he’ll be giving us money to sign players. For now he’s paying £6m (or whatever the actual amount is) to buy part of the club.

It’s also about growing us, making us best of the rest, increase revenue, reach the group stages of Europe.
Out of interest, how much did the Gordon's pay to buy Hibs from Tom Farmer?

[Real Emerald]

I think it’s worth noting that his stated goal the first time he mentioned investing in a Scottish Prem team was to get them finishing 3rd place consistently - to then bring in the benefits of qualifying for Europe and, I suppose, to build a platform for player trading that would benefit the multi-club pyramid later down the line.

It could be that in order to get us aiming squarely for 3rd every season, we’ll have a few transfer cycles where we aren’t necessarily in the market for players that could make it to Bournemouth one day.

I may be interpreting wrong too but I thought it was the players that his group were interested in. The byproduct of them coming through Hibs is that we would have access to players that we wouldn’t otherwise have and in turn would mean we would be almost guaranteed third place (or words to that effect).

I don’t think Hibs being made great is their goal but we’d benefit hugely due to the standard of player they were bringing through us.

I could be completely wrong of course but that was my understanding.

[jeffers]

Out of interest, how much did the Gordon's pay to buy Hibs from Tom Farmer?

I don’t know if the exact figure was ever confirmed but it was reported at the time it was £6m.

[HoboHarry]

I don’t know if the exact figure was ever confirmed but it was reported at the time it was £6m.
That was the figure I was remembering too. I was wondering how the Gordons could buy the club for 6M but Bill Foley/ Black Knights only get a minority holding for the same amount?

[JammyDoidger]

For him to be sending players to Hibs that eventually go to Bournemouth we will need to up the standard of player in the squad that compliments said players he wants to come here..or the players he sends here won't thrive. So an intial investment makes sense to make the squad that bit stronger so the 2, 3, or however many we have at a time that comes here on the journey have the best chance possible, no point sending players here to play with crap and be involved in the bottom 6 and going out of cups early etc. Even initially if we can spend a wee bit in January there's a good chance we take third, and the money is made back right away.

[matty_f]

That was the figure I was remembering too. I was wondering how the Gordons could buy the club for 6M but Bill Foley/ Black Knights only get a minority holding for the same amount?

Because the Gordons have massively increased the value of the club (as will Foley, when he starts putting money in)

[HoboHarry]

Because the Gordons have massively increased the value of the club (as will Foley, when he starts putting money in)

Not a subject I know much about but I hope you are correct, it just seemed like a considerable jump in a relatively short space of time to me anyway.

[Torto7]

This is the most excited Ive been since SDG.6 million just to start plus loans from guys Bournemouth think have PL potential in Jan and beyond is huge.

[Winston Ingram]

Good to hear. Glad you quickly changed your mind :greengrin

Joking aside if we can use £6m wisely then it could be a game changer for us this season not to mention the potential for loans.

It’ll change hee haw unless our manager updates his tactics

[duffers]

The 6 million figure is correct….. initially.

[Hibernian Verse]

I'd guess that we have said we have targets in Jan costing X amount, and this covers it.

[mcohibs]

It’ll change hee haw unless our manager updates his tactics

Or we get the required players in to play the system he wants us to play

[Paulie Walnuts]

I wonder how £6m will be broken down?

If it’s broken down into 4x£750k players then that still leaves us £3m. Would that £3m need to be apportioned to their wages for their full contracts? Or could that be apportioned to wages for them until the summer and then further investment will take care of the rest of their contract etc.

A headline figure of £6m probably doesn’t tell us all that much unless we know when the next investment (on the presumption there will be one) is coming and how much it’ll be.

[BILLYHIBS]

6m

🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[Chipper1875]

I wonder how £6m will be broken down?

If it’s broken down into 4x£750k players then that still leaves us £3m. Would that £3m need to be apportioned to their wages for their full contracts? Or could that be apportioned to wages for them until the summer and then further investment will take care of the rest of their contract etc.

A headline figure of £6m probably doesn’t tell us all that much unless we know when the next investment (on the presumption there will be one) is coming.
Some of the investment will go on infrastructure improvements

[MelbourneHibees]

How much does a decent indoor facility cost? A feew million at least from planning to building?

[SteveHFC]

6m

🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

Think the £6M should go towards building a Bulgarian balcony at Easter Road.

[Hibs90]

Any investment is good in a way.

If this £6m is going to be spent as part of the playing budget and we recruit well with it, it’ll be a game changer in terms of quality and depth of the squad.

[BILLYHIBS]

Priorities :

1 Hot running water in the bogs

2 WiFi

3 # 10

4 Box to box midfielder

5 Centre half

6 Helipad

[Renfrew_Hibby]

If its £6M I January then an indoor facility plus a FF refurbishment then your talking around £5M that leaves £1M.
Don't forget the Melkersen money so £2M for the January window.

[RoxburghHibs]

If its £6M I January then an indoor facility plus a FF refurbishment then your talking around £5M that leaves £1M.
Don't forget the Melkersen money so £2M for the January window.

Where you reading we are spending £5m on refurbishments or is this just a guess? Have to say i'd be disappointed if this were true.

[blackpoolhibs]

Where you reading we are spending £5m on refurbishments or is this just a guess? Have to say i'd be disappointed if this were true.
We wont. :greengrin

[Caversham Green]

That was the figure I was remembering too. I was wondering how the Gordons could buy the club for 6M but Bill Foley/ Black Knights only get a minority holding for the same amount?

The Gordons only bought a percentage of the club - it was a controlling percentage, but there was a policy in place to dilute it to 49%. They then moved the goalposts by paying in excess of £1m to retain control. Also, as has been mentioned, the club is in a healthier state now than it was then and STF was prepared to sell at a lower price.

[mcohibs]

How much does a decent indoor facility cost? A feew million at least from planning to building?

Would be brilliant if we put loads of ****ing windows in it for a laugh

[mcohibs]

Priorities :

1 Hot running water in the bogs

2 WiFi

3 # 10

4 Box to box midfielder

5 Centre half

6 Helipad

I agree we need to strengthen the defence but 5 centre halfs seems excessive :greengrin

[J-C]

I wonder how £6m will be broken down?

If it’s broken down into 4x£750k players then that still leaves us £3m. Would that £3m need to be apportioned to their wages for their full contracts? Or could that be apportioned to wages for them until the summer and then further investment will take care of the rest of their contract etc.

A headline figure of £6m probably doesn’t tell us all that much unless we know when the next investment (on the presumption there will be one) is coming and how much it’ll be.

A bit simplistic, £750k players will need wages to go with that price.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A bit simplistic, £750k players will need wages to go with that price.

I know, I mentioned their wages? :confused:

[.Sean.]

Is the indoor facility at east mains going to make a crazy amount of difference? Get that money spent on players that will improve us

[J-C]

I know, I mentioned their wages? :confused:

So you did, my apologies for skim reading the post.

[Greenbeard]

Thinking long-term, investment in a full-size indoor pitch will help considerably in recruiting players in the future, never mind developing the youngsters.
Of the dosh that is earmarked for players this January or summer, please please please can we stop taking chances on players with potential and just have one or two marquee Sauzee type signings.

[bingo70]

How much does a decent indoor facility cost? A feew million at least from planning to building?

There’s relatively cheap domes popping up for around £1m ish. Think that would be basically a roof on an astro pitch and the players would use current changing facilities. I’ve no idea if that’s what we are going to be going for but that would be the starting point for costs think.

Link below to the sort of thing I’m talking about, I remember reading somewhere they cost about £1m. I can’t be bothered looking for that link though.

https://covair.co.uk/football-dome/

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Where you reading we are spending £5m on refurbishments or is this just a guess? Have to say i'd be disappointed if this were true.

It's been stated that a full size indoor pitch at East Mains is a requirement and its also been mentioned that the FF stand is going to be refurbished at a cost of around £0.5M do all in a figure of £5M on infrastructure won't be far off.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thinking long-term, investment in a full-size indoor pitch will help considerably in recruiting players in the future, never mind developing the youngsters.
Of the dosh that is earmarked for players this January or summer, please please please can we stop taking chances on players with potential and just have one or two marquee Sauzee type signings.

I’m not all that sure an indoor pitch will help recruit players that much. Players want money and games on a Saturday afternoon. They’d rather an extra £500 a week in their pocket than the luxury of training indoors sometimes.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Hadn't considered a 'dome' structure which would be cheaper so the player pot would grow by a couple of million.
Full size indoor pitches are now fairly standard for club facilities down south, even lots of clubs lower down the pyramid have such facilities. If we are looking to recruit quality players of a certain standard and football upbringing then they would be expecting nothing less.

[Hibernian Verse]

Is the indoor facility at east mains going to make a crazy amount of difference? Get that money spent on players that will improve us

The higher the quality of player, the higher the quality of infrastructure we will need to bring them in.

[MelbourneHibees]

There’s relatively cheap domes popping up for around £1m ish. Think that would be basically a roof on an astro pitch and the players would use current changing facilities. I’ve no idea if that’s what we are going to be going for but that would be the starting point for costs think.

Link below to the sort of thing I’m talking about, I remember reading somewhere they cost about £1m. I can’t be bothered looking for that link though.

https://covair.co.uk/football-dome/

Of course you don't want to take a lot of money from the player put but I'd hope we would be aiming for something more substantial with proper changing facilities/showers etc. Nothing is cheap these days.

[worcesterhibby]

That was the figure I was remembering too. I was wondering how the Gordons could buy the club for 6M but Bill Foley/ Black Knights only get a minority holding for the same amount?

Tom Farmer was very keen to sell (if he felt the buyer had the best interests of Hibs at heart) I don't think it was really about the money at all.

The Gordons don't want to sell - so immediatley the price goes up. At the end of the day a sale price is about what the buyer is willing to accept, not what an accountant deems the club is worth.

[bingo70]

Of course you don't want to take a lot of money from the player put but I'd hope we would be aiming for something more substantial with proper changing facilities/showers etc. Nothing is cheap these days.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/23200043.new-afc-bournemouth-training-ground-applications-submitted/

If we’re going for something a bit more upmarket, that’s the Bournemouth one. Suppose if there’s to be consistency across the group it’s possible we may want a similar facility.

FWIW I think a really good investment in top facilities could pay for itself before too long if we can get the best young players in the country. Very difficult for young players to break into Rangers and Celtic sides so if we have the best facilities combined with a genuine pathway to the first team, there’s an opportunity there. As it stands though, all clubs are much of a muchness in terms of what they can offer kids.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Of course you don't want to take a lot of money from the player put but I'd hope we would be aiming for something more substantial with proper changing facilities/showers etc. Nothing is cheap these days.

Do we not already have those facilities there? Is it not just the indoor pitch that’s required?

[GreenCastle]

I’m not all that sure an indoor pitch will help recruit players that much. Players want money and games on a Saturday afternoon. They’d rather an extra £500 a week in their pocket than the luxury of training indoors sometimes.

The dome is what I heard was planned. Basically East Mains is very open to the elements and indoor training definitely more appealing than the wind and rain.

Also a new 3g exclusively for academy teams - think Oriam but better and newer. The current 3g is too public and also gets used by community etc. that stays but a more private pitch is built.

The rest will be for players and wages - decent start of investment and will only grow.

Would be ridiculous to go all in straight away especially if other clubs know you have money.

Will be very interesting to see which players come in January - the quality of player will definitely start to show how we will operate in future.

[Greencore]

Love how we are taking care of HTC before splashing out on signings.

In a way we are addressing the root cause.

Can have the best players in the world but they still need appropriate facilities.

I know it sounds boring but this would really benefit us.

[JimBHibees]

Do we not already have those facilities there? Is it not just the indoor pitch that’s required?

Yes that is my understanding. A full size indoor pitch would be a great benefit especially in quite an exposed location.

[RoxburghHibs]

It's been stated that a full size indoor pitch at East Mains is a requirement and its also been mentioned that the FF stand is going to be refurbished at a cost of around £0.5M do all in a figure of £5M on infrastructure won't be far off.

I’d expect an indoor pitch facility to be far less than that to be honest. Land is always the expensive part and we have that so I’d expect it to be closer to £1m. But not something I’ve ever had quoted so pure guess work on my part.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I’d expect an indoor pitch facility to be far less than that to be honest. Land is always the expensive part and we have that so I’d expect it to be closer to £1m. But not something I’ve ever had quoted so pure guess work on my part.

Fair point. It's all guess work and you're probably closer to the mark.

[Hibs4185]

I’d expect an indoor pitch facility to be far less than that to be honest. Land is always the expensive part and we have that so I’d expect it to be closer to £1m. But not something I’ve ever had quoted so pure guess work on my part.

I’m sure LD used to mention the £1 million figure but that was of course a few years ago now.

[GloryGlory]

The dome is what I heard was planned. Basically East Mains is very open to the elements and indoor training definitely more appealing than the wind and rain.

Also a new 3g exclusively for academy teams - think Oriam but better and newer. The current 3g is too public and also gets used by community etc. that stays but a more private pitch is built.

The rest will be for players and wages - decent start of investment and will only grow.

Would be ridiculous to go all in straight away especially if other clubs know you have money.

Will be very interesting to see which players come in January - the quality of player will definitely start to show how we will operate in future.

I'm not sure January will be much of a pointer - 1) because it is usually a difficult window to buy in anyway and 2) I suspect the SFA will drag its heels in issuing the final approval so maybe not much time if any to progress transfers before the window closes.

I would think the summer window will give a far clearer picture of where things are going.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

I'm interpreting the reported 6mil 'initial investment amount' as Foley's pocket change.

[Not In The Know]

There’s relatively cheap domes popping up for around £1m ish. Think that would be basically a roof on an astro pitch and the players would use current changing facilities. I’ve no idea if that’s what we are going to be going for but that would be the starting point for costs think.

Link below to the sort of thing I’m talking about, I remember reading somewhere they cost about £1m. I can’t be bothered looking for that link though.

https://covair.co.uk/football-dome/

Bournemouth have just built a relatively modest looking indoor pitch. id imagine we will get similar - minus all the other construction work here -

https://twitter.com/afcbournemouth/status/1727295873942769774

[CraigHibee]

I'm interpreting the reported 6mil 'initial investment amount' as Foley's pocket change.

it's probably just sitting in the ashtray in his car :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

I think an indoor pitch would be massively beneficial. East Mains has it own climate being so exposed. Training must be disrupted all the time over the winter.

[Waxy]

Indoor pitch is a must.

[ruthven_raiders]

Bournemouth have just built a relatively modest looking indoor pitch. id imagine we will get similar - minus all the other construction work here -

https://twitter.com/afcbournemouth/status/1727295873942769774

Bournemouth one looks quite basic, does the job, possibly about £2m, the cheaper dome ones, I'm not sure they would survive the winds we have in Scotland and it's an exposed site.

[Hibby Bairn]

Bournemouth one looks quite basic, does the job, possibly about £2m, the cheaper dome ones, I'm not sure they would survive the winds we have in Scotland and it's an exposed site.

It's almost a million now just for the pitch. Tensile cover and walls will take this up to around £3m-£4m. If it was built on the existing pitch at EM then reduce by cost of pitch.

[ruthven_raiders]

It's almost a million now just for the pitch. Tensile cover and walls will take this up to around £3m-£4m. If it was built on the existing pitch at EM then reduce by cost of pitch.

Oh well we will just have to see what the proposals are.

[Joe6-2]

Let’s hope the powers that be don’t try and pull the plug on it

[chippy]

Bournemouth one looks quite basic, does the job, possibly about £2m, the cheaper dome ones, I'm not sure they would survive the winds we have in Scotland and it's an exposed site.

They survive, there’s two at World of Football West Harbour rd . For fives and sevens
Sorry Marine Drive is location

[60yearahibby]

It's almost a million now just for the pitch. Tensile cover and walls will take this up to around £3m-£4m. If it was built on the existing pitch at EM then reduce by cost of pitch.

I'm sure that when the artificial pitch was constructed that a perimeter concrete foundation was included so that a fabric structure could be added at a future date without disturbing the pitch and its drainage. A fabric dome is currently under construction for indoor tennis up in Elgin. If it is okay for up there then I'm sure it would survive at East Mains.

[ruthven_raiders]

They survive, there’s two at World of Football West Harbour rd . For fives and sevens

Well if they survive there they can survive at EM, I would hope for a more solid structure but depends on how much money we are getting initially and what is available for infrastructure and players, fine balancing act...it's only media speculation on amount anyway.

[04Sauzee]

Done a few football courses up at the indoor academy in Dundee and always thought it would be fantastic if Hibs had something similar, the video below doesn't do it justice as when you are inside it does seem bigger and the roof seems higher

https://youtu.be/hMRTscpn20k?si=oA6b_SJ5E6Up9bRG

[WhileTheChief..]

I thought the whole idea of his investment was to bring in players his group had identified as potential Premiership players and he would bring them through Hibs before moving them on. Chucking £6m into Hibs coffers for our recruitment team to sign players would be completely opposite to what their plan is.

Hibs said there would be no further comment. It sounds like someone’s plucked a figure out the air to create a story out of nothing to me.

Or you just thought wrong :greengrin

All the talk of feeder club and players coming from / going to Bournemouth has just been chat on forums (especially Kickback).

They were always going to be investing cash in Hibs. I'd imagine this is only just the beginning and that we'll see another lump sum injected into the club in the summer and future transfer windows.

[bingo70]

Well if they survive there they can survive at EM, I would hope for a more solid structure but depends on how much money we are getting initially and what is available for infrastructure and players, fine balancing act...it's only media speculation on amount anyway.

I don’t really know how these things work but presumable even if it costs £2m, we won’t just deduct £2m from £6m and have £4m left for players. I would have assumed for a project like that we would borrow money, essentially a mortgage and hope a player is sold during the period of paying it off so we can keep as much of the original £6m as possible for things which are more difficult to borrow for, like player purchases.

[bingo70]

Done a few football courses up at the indoor academy in Dundee and always thought it would be fantastic if Hibs had something similar, the video below doesn't do it justice as when you are inside it does seem bigger and the roof seems higher

https://youtu.be/hMRTscpn20k?si=oA6b_SJ5E6Up9bRG

My boy played in a football tournament there, he was essentially just playing in a massive fridge.

Players will certainly still need their hats and gloves if it’s the same 😂

[scm70nyd1973]

I agree we need to strengthen the defence but 5 centre halfs seems excessive :greengrin

Aye but who’s the gadgey Helipad and how much will he cost ?

[A Hi-Bee]

Hey jambos on here and looking in, we are gonna catch you soon.
Were in the money, :casper:

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin Don't need to say the rest.

[scm70nyd1973]

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/23200043.new-afc-bournemouth-training-ground-applications-submitted/

If we’re going for something a bit more upmarket, that’s the Bournemouth one. Suppose if there’s to be consistency across the group it’s possible we may want a similar facility.

FWIW I think a really good investment in top facilities could pay for itself before too long if we can get the best young players in the country. Very difficult for young players to break into Rangers and Celtic sides so if we have the best facilities combined with a genuine pathway to the first team, there’s an opportunity there. As it stands though, all clubs are much of a muchness in terms of what they can offer kids.

Surely we’ll be well ahead of Aberdeen financially speaking as they’ve still to get a proper stadium (costly) - where do they train.? If both needed then very very costly . Poppy thieves still need to get a training facility that they can do their own thing with so ahead of them too. Could be good times ahead 🙏🤞🙏

[jeffers]

Surely we’ll be well ahead of Aberdeen financially speaking as they’ve still to get a proper stadium (costly) - where do they train.? If both needed then very very costly . Poppy thieves still need to get a training facility that they can do their own thing with so ahead of them too. Could be good times ahead 🙏🤞🙏

Aberdeen have their own modern training facilities, Cormack Park opened a few years ago.

[HoboHarry]

Aye but who’s the gadgey Helipad and how much will he cost ?
Think they are on about Shankland's heid.

[gbhibby]

Indoor pitch is a must.
Never seen an indoor pitch score a goal.

[scm70nyd1973]

Aberdeen have their own modern training facilities, Cormack Park opened a few years ago.

Ah - didn’t know that - their ground is a bit garbage though - gonna cost a packet to get a new one 🫢

[scm70nyd1973]

Think they are on about Shankland's heid.

😂

[Keith_M]

I think I'm stil in the camp of 'let's just see how it plays out'.

Don't want to get too excited about something that has an equal chance of ending well.. or being a total disappointment.

[Scotty Leither]

Can we start to think this is happening?

[matty_f]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/foley-wont-call-shots-on-recruitment-hibs-exclusive-on-feeder-club-fears-4452584

Hibs managing to suck all the fun out of this situation here.


Can we no’ just do something radge for a change and make things a bit exciting?

No, here comes the club insider to piss on our chips.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/foley-wont-call-shots-on-recruitment-hibs-exclusive-on-feeder-club-fears-4452584

Hibs managing to suck all the fun out of this situation here.


Can we no’ just do something radge for a change and make things a bit exciting?

No, here comes the club insider to piss on our chips.Who to believe[emoji6]

If it's not straight from the mouth of the ER fishman I'm having none of it......

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[HibbyKeith]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/foley-wont-call-shots-on-recruitment-hibs-exclusive-on-feeder-club-fears-4452584

Hibs managing to suck all the fun out of this situation here.


Can we no’ just do something radge for a change and make things a bit exciting?

No, here comes the club insider to piss on our chips.It's a very good line to run with Matty.

If there is money available from the investment in January, and hypothetically we are after a player currently playing at another scottish club, I'd imagine the last thing the club would want the selling clubs to know, is that we have just had X amount pumped into the budget.

It's already an inflated transfer window to do business in. We dont need the fat cats at other clubs sticking on a Foley tax.



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[Lago]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/foley-wont-call-shots-on-recruitment-hibs-exclusive-on-feeder-club-fears-4452584

Hibs managing to suck all the fun out of this situation here.


Can we no’ just do something radge for a change and make things a bit exciting?

No, here comes the club insider to piss on our chips.
Yip could all tits up

[Stanton Spence]

Hibs are never going to come out and confirm we’ve got x amount to spend even if we did and this is the correct way to go about things

[matty_f]

Hibs are never going to come out and confirm we’ve got x amount to spend even if we did and this is the correct way to go about things

Definitely not, there’s actually playing it very well - I would imagine they’ll be trying to manage the message to the SFA as well and will see that is much more palatable for them to see investment in infrastructure than on players.



It’s just not as much fun for big bairns like me.

[WhileTheChief..]

Whilst improving East Mains is a worthy cause, my view is that it could wait a year or two.

Spend the money on the first team first.

When EM was built we all talked about how much it would improve everything and attract the best players and youngsters. Now we need an indoor pitch to do that?

I'd file it under 'nice to have' whereas first team ready players would be marked as 'Urgent'!

[A Hi-Bee]

:xsmilesign :casper: The future is bright, the future is green & white.

[Stanton Spence]

Definitely not, there’s actually playing it very well - I would imagine they’ll be trying to manage the message to the SFA as well and will see that is much more palatable for them to see investment in infrastructure than on players.



It’s just not as much fun for big bairns like me.

Your not alone matty and I’m trying to convince myself I think [emoji1]


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[neil7908]

Whilst improving East Mains is a worthy cause, my view is that it could wait a year or two.

Spend the money on the first team first.

When EM was built we all talked about how much it would improve everything and attract the best players and youngsters. Now we need an indoor pitch to do that?

I'd file it under 'nice to have' whereas first team ready players would be marked as 'Urgent'!

Agreed.

Get in the right players for January, finish 3rd and we're looking at enough prize money to cover work on the training ground.

[Torto7]

Agreed.

Get in the right players for January, finish 3rd and we're looking at enough prize money to cover work on the training ground.

Tbf the article made it clear the majority of the money will be for players. Although Jan might be too soon?

[GreenCastle]

Don’t think any club team in Scotland owns its own full size indoor pitch. Rangers and Celtic don’t even have full size as far as I’m aware.

Hearts don’t own Oriam so that doesn’t count as was paid for by several others.

Aberdeen training facility is very basic and have stadium to sort.

Hearts stadium can’t be expanded and don’t have own training centre obviously.

[GloryGlory]

Whilst improving East Mains is a worthy cause, my view is that it could wait a year or two.

Spend the money on the first team first.

When EM was built we all talked about how much it would improve everything and attract the best players and youngsters. Now we need an indoor pitch to do that?

I'd file it under 'nice to have' whereas first team ready players would be marked as 'Urgent'!

I think the Black Knight Group will be looking at the investment in the longer term, not just the first few months, so will have a strategic plan for whatever money they put in.

[GreenCastle]

I think the Black Knight Group will be looking at the investment in the longer term, not just the first few months, so will have a strategic plan for whatever money they put in.

Yup - this isn’t just Romanov chucking money about getting new players and going bust. Hearts had firework Phil and all the other nonsense.

Hibs will make sure it’s long term sustainable. Increasing the value of the club and longer term being attractive for others to invest including sponsors etc.

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/foley-wont-call-shots-on-recruitment-hibs-exclusive-on-feeder-club-fears-4452584

Hibs managing to suck all the fun out of this situation here.


Can we no’ just do something radge for a change and make things a bit exciting?

No, here comes the club insider to piss on our chips.

:faf:

Grow up ya big bairn!

Leadership guru my arse...:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Whilst improving East Mains is a worthy cause, my view is that it could wait a year or two.

Spend the money on the first team first.

When EM was built we all talked about how much it would improve everything and attract the best players and youngsters. Now we need an indoor pitch to do that?

I'd file it under 'nice to have' whereas first team ready players would be marked as 'Urgent'!

In a year or two, people will be saying that exact thing.

[HoboHarry]

I think the Black Knight Group will be looking at the investment in the longer term, not just the first few months, so will have a strategic plan for whatever money they put in.
Exactly, a house is built from the foundation up, not the roof down.

[matty_f]

:faf:

Grow up ya big bairn!

Leadership guru my arse...:greengrin

I’m allowed to make jokes, Radge.:greengrin:

[Hibbyradge]

I’m allowed to make jokes, Radge.

As am I, Matthew.

😃

[matty_f]

As am I, Matthew.

😃

:aok:

[GloryGlory]

Yup - this isn’t just Romanov chucking money about getting news players and going bust. Hearts had firework Phil and all the other nonsense.

Hibs will make sure it’s long term sustainable. Increasing the value of the club and longer term being attractive for others to invest including sponsors etc.

Yes - I'm sure the conversations between the Gordons and Black Knight Group will have included Hibs current strategic plans and how they could be supported and improved. I'm interested to read about their (BK Group) analytic arm and wonder if upgrading whatever hardware/software/expertise that Hibs currently have in that area is part of the plan.

[scm70nyd1973]

Yes - I'm sure the conversations between the Gordons and Black Knight Group will have included Hibs current strategic plans and how they could be supported and improved. I'm interested to read about their (BK Group) analytic arm and wonder if upgrading whatever hardware/software/expertise that Hibs currently have in that area is part of the plan.

It’s no coincidence that we have reached this stage.

Although it has not been great on the park at times, a combination of the great support we have given to this wonderful club of ours and excellent off field work performed by decent people with integrity, has reaped its rewards.

I doth my cap to our history, great supporters, Sir Tom Farmer, the sadly late but great Ron Gordon and his family.

We have been fortunate to have had good people on our side.

[Bridge hibs]

Don’t think any club team in Scotland owns its own full size indoor pitch. Rangers and Celtic don’t even have full size as far as I’m aware.

Hearts don’t own Oriam so that doesn’t count as was paid for by several others.

Aberdeen training facility is very basic and have stadium to sort.

Hearts stadium can’t be expanded and don’t have own training centre obviously.Celtc have the green light to upgrade their current training ground to include full size indoor pitch

The new training centre will feature:

New indoor arena, featuring full-sized IFA-approved artificial surface
Combination of outdoor natural grass and artificial pitches
State-of-the-art gym/fitness facilities
Celtic Academy and Celtic FC Women office areas
New changing facilities
Medical suites for player treatment/rehab
Sports science centre
Analysis centre
Classroom/learning facilities
Carbolic soap

[GreenCastle]

Celtc have the green light to upgrade their current training ground to include full size indoor pitch

The new training centre will feature:

New indoor arena, featuring full-sized IFA-approved artificial surface
Combination of outdoor natural grass and artificial pitches
State-of-the-art gym/fitness facilities
Celtic Academy and Celtic FC Women office areas
New changing facilities
Medical suites for player treatment/rehab
Sports science centre
Analysis centre
Classroom/learning facilities
Carbolic soap

Don’t think that’s for 1st team - but assume they can use it.

[Bridge hibs]

Don’t think that’s for 1st team - but assume they can use it.

Ah, I should have read the full article 😀

[I'm_cabbaged]

Celtc have the green light to upgrade their current training ground to include full size indoor pitch

The new training centre will feature:

New indoor arena, featuring full-sized IFA-approved artificial surface
Combination of outdoor natural grass and artificial pitches
State-of-the-art gym/fitness facilities
Celtic Academy and Celtic FC Women office areas
New changing facilities
Medical suites for player treatment/rehab
Sports science centre
Analysis centre
Classroom/learning facilities
Carbolic soap

🤣🤣

[adam middlemass]

It’s no coincidence that we have reached this stage.

Although it has not been great on the park at times, a combination of the great support we have given to this wonderful club of ours and excellent off field work performed by decent people with integrity, has reaped its rewards.

I doth my cap to our history, great supporters, Sir Tom Farmer, the sadly late but great Ron Gordon and his family.

We have been fortunate to have had good people on our side.

Hear, Hear :top marks

[half.time.draw.]

What about the Financial fair play rules that get flaunted with all the big clubs.
We ain’t in that league, but did spending not need to match income.
No idea how that works with an investor?

[Hibs4185]

What about the Financial fair play rules that get flaunted with all the big clubs.
We ain’t in that league, but did spending not need to match income.
No idea how that works with an investor?

Rangers seemed to have managed with hundreds of million in losses over the years.

In all seriousness though it’s something like £75 million losses over 3 years so we are fine

[Ozyhibby]

What about the Financial fair play rules that get flaunted with all the big clubs.
We ain’t in that league, but did spending not need to match income.
No idea how that works with an investor?

That’s why our new indoor pitch is costing £103m. [emoji6]


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[HoboHarry]

Rangers seemed to have managed with hundreds of million in losses over the years.

In all seriousness though it’s something like £75 million losses over 3 years so we are fine
Sevco have been under notice from the FSR for about a year, it's why they aren't spending money despite the s***e printed in the MSM.

[Lago]

Exactly, a house is built from the foundation up, not the roof down.
For Hibs.net that's pretty profound :agree:

[Bostonhibby]

Exactly, a house is built from the foundation up, not the roof down.Aye but nae foresight, what about the helipad?

Been on about it for decades, Foley doesn't sound like some fly by night submariner, he must have a helicopter.

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[Real Emerald]

The way things are going just now we only need to build an indoor pitch to the half way line. 😂

[judas]

Whilst improving East Mains is a worthy cause, my view is that it could wait a year or two.

Spend the money on the first team first.

When EM was built we all talked about how much it would improve everything and attract the best players and youngsters. Now we need an indoor pitch to do that?

I'd file it under 'nice to have' whereas first team ready players would be marked as 'Urgent'!

Agree and I think the facts speak in favour of your point.

We have not been too clever since EM was built. Our average position in Scottish Football has been below trend over that period.

That said, putting the money on players alone is not a long term strategy and it’s a gamble, that could see us lose a lot £ very quickly.

[CropleyWasGod]

Just coming back to these threads.

Any further clarity on how this "investment" is coming in? Shares, loans, donations, other?