Potential takeover/new investor?

[Pagan Hibernia]

So if they do purchase just under 25%, that mean the Gordon Family's shareholding would be down to around 42%?

[CropleyWasGod]

So if they do purchase just under 25%, that mean the Gordon Family's shareholding would be down to around 42%?

If they buy the Gordons' shares.

There are others whose shares they could buy.

[Pagan Hibernia]

If they buy the Gordons' shares.

There are others whose shares they could buy.

That's what worries me

[Ringothedog]

That's what worries me

Out of interest, why does it worry you?

[Pagan Hibernia]

Out of interest, why does it worry you?

I find it reassuring that outside of the Gordons, a third of the club's shares are in the hands of supporters. Both HSL and individual supporter shareholders. And id like it to stay that way. These mysterious nominee groups I find disconcerting.

[Hibbyradge]

Based on?

Pessimism

[McD]

I find it reassuring that outside of the Gordons, a third of the club's shares are in the hands of supporters. Both HSL and individual supporter shareholders. And id like it to stay that way. These mysterious nominee groups I find disconcerting.



Weren’t the nominee groups revealed a few weeks ago?

[CapitalGreen]

I find it reassuring that outside of the Gordons, a third of the club's shares are in the hands of supporters. Both HSL and individual supporter shareholders. And id like it to stay that way. These mysterious nominee groups I find disconcerting.

Most of the nominee groups no longer exist on the share register, those shares are held by Leslie Robb and equate to 10% of the club.

[jacomo]

To be honest it makes absolute sense to keep things close to our chest while we are negotiating transfers. If clubs think we have just had a £6million investment, you can be sure that prices go up. Let's get our buisness done and then announce.


I think other clubs in Scotland at least already assume we now much bigger funds.

But we don’t yet… if this is going to happen, would it not make sense to do it before the transfer window closes? 🙄

[Broken Gnome]

Pessimism

I'd buy into that pessimism too.

As independent as this supposedly is, one avenue of dissent would be seemingly handing one club a late and substantial shot in the arm days before the transfer deadline.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Most of the nominee groups no longer exist on the share register, those shares are held by Leslie Robb and equate to 10% of the club.

Oh really? I'm obviously out of the loop recently.

Who is Leslie Robb?

[Ringothedog]

I'd buy into that pessimism too.

As independent as this supposedly is, one avenue of dissent would be seemingly handing one club a late and substantial shot in the arm days before the transfer deadline.

If another club, let’s say Hearts where to get a cash injection of £1m this week what could we do about it? The answer would be nothing. Why should us doing a business transaction that benefits us have other clubs getting upset? If we get the cash injection does it matter whether we spend it now or in the summer.

[Broken Gnome]

If another club, let’s say Hearts where to get a cash injection of £1m this week what could we do about it? The answer would be nothing. Why should us doing a business transaction that benefits us have other clubs getting upset? If we get the cash injection does it matter whether we spend it now or in the summer.I know, but that wouldn't be voted on by representatives of other clubs like this would be.

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[jacomo]

Most of the nominee groups no longer exist on the share register, those shares are held by Leslie Robb and equate to 10% of the club.


I wonder if these shares are being sold to Foley?

[Ringothedog]

I know, but that wouldn't be voted on by representatives of other clubs like this would be.

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This not voted on by other clubs, this is decided by a committee of the SFA based on the rules which are currently in place

[Broken Gnome]

This not voted on by other clubs, this is decided by a committee of the SFA based on the rules which are currently in placeWe're in a world where Hibs fans write letters to Lithuanians administrators to try and influence creditors votes at certain banks.

I'm not claiming I'm right in the slightest. This is taking a while, simple procedure could be the only reason. It's not exactly out with the realms of possibility, though, that those on the board might be made aware that they wouldn't be too popular in their day job at Tynecastle should they rubber stamp this and give Hibs an advantage...

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[Pete70]

Based on nothing but a bunch. It’ll stop us getting money from BF to invest in the squad.

[superfurryhibby]

Most of the nominee groups no longer exist on the share register, those shares are held by Leslie Robb and equate to 10% of the club.

I looked at the share register info very recently and there were still a good number of nominee groups (Leith Walk nominees etc). They seemed to have small shareholdings, but way more than any regular individual. I thought Robb's stake was listed as a single shareholding nominee group?

[CapitalGreen]

I looked at the share register info very recently and there were still a good number of nominee groups (Leith Walk nominees etc). They seemed to have small shareholdings, but way more than any regular individual. I thought Robb's stake was listed as a single shareholding nominee group?

Did you look at the recently updated confirmation statements published last month?

There have been 125m shares issued and Leslie Robb owns 12.5m shares.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Did you look at the recently updated confirmation statements published last month?

There have been 125m shares issued and Leslie Robb owns 12.5m shares.

There have been new shares issued?

[USA_Hibee]

There have been new shares issued?

I think they mean there are 125 million shares in total and Leslie Rob owns 12.5 million (10%). No new shares.

[CapitalGreen]

There have been new shares issued?

No

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I think they mean there are 125 million shares in total and Leslie Rob owns 12.5 million (10%). No new shares.

Thanks for that Mr Foley. What’s the hold up chief?

[Billy Whizz]

Thanks for that Mr Foley. What’s the hold up chief?

Ha ha, joined last July, so unless it’s been going on for that long…

[Springbank]

We're in a world where Hibs fans write letters to Lithuanians administrators to try and influence creditors votes at certain banks.

I'm not claiming I'm right in the slightest. This is taking a while, simple procedure could be the only reason. It's not exactly out with the realms of possibility, though, that those on the board might be made aware that they wouldn't be too popular in their day job at Tynecastle should they rubber stamp this and give Hibs an advantage...

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Hearts and their minuscule fan base are irrelevant, to anyone serious, in a world of 8 billion people

[One Day Soon]

Yeah you wouldn’t think so. Presumably Ben and Ian are back here working on things so the squad training abroad should have no impact.

That's what I'm afraid of.

[Lago]

That's what I'm afraid of.
Frankly when I read something like this, if I was the Gordon family, I'd tell Foley to invest else where and sell Hibs for the best offer because it's thankless being in ownership.

[Alex Trager]

Frankly when I read something like this, if I was the Gordon family, I'd tell Foley to invest else where and sell Hibs for the best offer because it's thankless being in ownership.

Surely they would reflect on their time as being a fairly poor time on the park, certainly after the departure of the football department that was in place before they arrived.

[theonlywayisup]

Hibs have confirmed "positive" talks have been held with the Scottish FA over investment from Bill Foley.

The billionaire - who owns AFC Bournemouth - previously outlined his interest in becoming an investor at Easter Road but ruled out a controlling stake in the club.

Hibs chiefs Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell held talks with the Scottish FA board on Thursday regarding the minority investment proposal from Foley.

And the club will now move forward to submit a formal request for the approval of a dual interest dispensation against article 13.

Submissions to the Scottish FA board are considered on a case-by-case basis with Hibs chiefs hopeful the minority investment will be approved.

A Hibs statement confirmed: "Hibernian FC can confirm that the Club met with the Scottish FA Board on Thursday 14 December, 2023 to discuss a minority investment proposal.

"The positive meeting saw Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell outline the proposal and discuss the benefits for Hibs and Scottish football moving forward.

"The Club looks forward to the next stage of the process, which is submitting a formal request for the approval of dual interest dispensation against article 13.

"There will be no further comment at this time."



As others have noted, it's gone a bit quiet since the meeting with the SFA on the 14th December.

Am I correct in stating that Hibs haven't submitted a formal request for the approval of dual interest dispensation against article 13, so any claims that it's been rejected or decision held back until after the transfer window is closed is scaremongering. The last confirmed report by Hibs was on the 14th December, being Club Statement: Scottish FA Board Meeting - Hibernian FC (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/club-statement-scottish-fa-board-meeting).

[Hibernian Verse]

Based on?

Paranoia

[One Day Soon]

Frankly when I read something like this, if I was the Gordon family, I'd tell Foley to invest else where and sell Hibs for the best offer because it's thankless being in ownership.


No, it's thankless being clueless on football when you are running a football club which is quite different.

We've done exceptionally well on the hospitality and revenue side - thank you Ron in particular, that was outstanding work.

We've done appallingly badly on the football recruitment side, be it managers or players. Kensell has been at Hibs for 2 and a half years alongside IG (who can exercise all of the power that comes with ownership without having to take any of the formal responsibility) and what do we have to show for it in footballing terms? Better first team/squad/management/ethos/playing style/league position/cups record? I don't think so. On field has been a succession of costly ****-ups, disappointments, excuses, resets to year zero and 'jam tomorrow' nonsense.

I don't believe they have a coherent medium to long term strategy or that they know what they are doing. And who is in there in any position of experience and authority to tell them otherwise?

[He's here!]

No, it's thankless being clueless on football when you are running a football club which is quite different.

We've done exceptionally well on the hospitality and revenue side - thank you Ron in particular, that was outstanding work.

We've done appallingly badly on the football recruitment side, be it managers or players. Kensell has been at Hibs for 2 and a half years alongside IG (who can exercise all of the power that comes with ownership without having to take any of the formal responsibility) and what do we have to show for it in footballing terms? Better first team/squad/management/ethos/playing style/league position/cups record? I don't think so. On field has been a succession of costly ****-ups, disappointments, excuses, resets to year zero and 'jam tomorrow' nonsense.

I don't believe they have a coherent medium to long term strategy or that they know what they are doing. And who is in there in any position of experience and authority to tell them otherwise?

Wouldn't disagree with any of that.

[Northernhibee]

No, it's thankless being clueless on football when you are running a football club which is quite different.

We've done exceptionally well on the hospitality and revenue side - thank you Ron in particular, that was outstanding work.

We've done appallingly badly on the football recruitment side, be it managers or players. Kensell has been at Hibs for 2 and a half years alongside IG (who can exercise all of the power that comes with ownership without having to take any of the formal responsibility) and what do we have to show for it in footballing terms? Better first team/squad/management/ethos/playing style/league position/cups record? I don't think so. On field has been a succession of costly ****-ups, disappointments, excuses, resets to year zero and 'jam tomorrow' nonsense.

I don't believe they have a coherent medium to long term strategy or that they know what they are doing. And who is in there in any position of experience and authority to tell them otherwise?

BK knows how to sign a commercial partnership deal, I’ll give him that.

Unfortunately it would appear on the footballing side of things he appears to have the reverse Midas touch - part of a small team responsible for appointing the likes of LJ, and before we had McDermott in our footballing strategy was an absolute shambles IMO and it’s tough to tell if he’s just got an incredibly deep hole to dig us out of and needs more time, or doesn’t have the required authority to push through changes but after a 6 to 7 out of ten summer window we are looking as if we don’t have a clue what we’re doing from the outside looking in.

When BK said of the DoF position on the Update from the CEO video “they’ll be reporting to me as the CEO but they’ll ask have the visibility of the board” and “they’ll be working with me hand in hand to take us forward” I had my concerns that BK would still have too much input on the footballing side of things. IMO he needs someone to strongly challenge on where we are going and I don’t know if that’s the case. I’d like to know if McDermott would feel comfortable giving an absolute “no” to those above him if there is a disagreement in the direction on the footballing side.

From what we’ve seen pre DoF we don’t need someone to work hand in hand, we need someone with genuine autonomy and authority to push through change and I’m desperately hoping that we have that but I’m a long way from convinced.

[Smartie]

No, it's thankless being clueless on football when you are running a football club which is quite different.

We've done exceptionally well on the hospitality and revenue side - thank you Ron in particular, that was outstanding work.

We've done appallingly badly on the football recruitment side, be it managers or players. Kensell has been at Hibs for 2 and a half years alongside IG (who can exercise all of the power that comes with ownership without having to take any of the formal responsibility) and what do we have to show for it in footballing terms? Better first team/squad/management/ethos/playing style/league position/cups record? I don't think so. On field has been a succession of costly ****-ups, disappointments, excuses, resets to year zero and 'jam tomorrow' nonsense.

I don't believe they have a coherent medium to long term strategy or that they know what they are doing. And who is in there in any position of experience and authority to tell them otherwise?

I agree with every word and sentiment of this.

[CapitalGreen]

BK knows how to sign a commercial partnership deal, I’ll give him that.

Unfortunately it would appear on the footballing side of things he appears to have the reverse Midas touch - part of a small team responsible for appointing the likes of LJ, and before we had McDermott in our footballing strategy was an absolute shambles IMO and it’s tough to tell if he’s just got an incredibly deep hole to dig us out of and needs more time, or doesn’t have the required authority to push through changes but after a 6 to 7 out of ten summer window we are looking as if we don’t have a clue what we’re doing from the outside looking in.

When BK said of the DoF position on the Update from the CEO video “they’ll be reporting to me as the CEO but they’ll ask have the visibility of the board” and “they’ll be working with me hand in hand to take us forward” I had my concerns that BK would still have too much input on the footballing side of things. IMO he needs someone to strongly challenge on where we are going and I don’t know if that’s the case. I’d like to know if McDermott would feel comfortable giving an absolute “no” to those above him if there is a disagreement in the direction on the footballing side.

From what we’ve seen pre DoF we don’t need someone to work hand in hand, we need someone with genuine autonomy and authority to push through change and I’m desperately hoping that we have that but I’m a long way from convinced.

Do you have any examples of DOFs from the world of football who work autonomously? Do they set their own budgets?

[KazaHibs]

Foley deal approved by SFA.

[Nicho87]

Foley deal approved by SFA.

Aye?

[leith lynx]

Foley deal approved by SFA.

More info please...

[Greenio]

BK knows how to sign a commercial partnership deal, I’ll give him that.

Unfortunately it would appear on the footballing side of things he appears to have the reverse Midas touch - part of a small team responsible for appointing the likes of LJ, and before we had McDermott in our footballing strategy was an absolute shambles IMO and it’s tough to tell if he’s just got an incredibly deep hole to dig us out of and needs more time, or doesn’t have the required authority to push through changes but after a 6 to 7 out of ten summer window we are looking as if we don’t have a clue what we’re doing from the outside looking in.

When BK said of the DoF position on the Update from the CEO video “they’ll be reporting to me as the CEO but they’ll ask have the visibility of the board” and “they’ll be working with me hand in hand to take us forward” I had my concerns that BK would still have too much input on the footballing side of things. IMO he needs someone to strongly challenge on where we are going and I don’t know if that’s the case. I’d like to know if McDermott would feel comfortable giving an absolute “no” to those above him if there is a disagreement in the direction on the footballing side.

From what we’ve seen pre DoF we don’t need someone to work hand in hand, we need someone with genuine autonomy and authority to push through change and I’m desperately hoping that we have that but I’m a long way from convinced.

I said similar back when there was that press conference, or maybe an even earlier one, that when Ron passed and the new leadership team was put in place that I wasn't convinced there was an actual dedicated leader at the helm.

Got shot down by someone on here! But my view hasn't really changed.

Suppose IG and Fam are maneuvering out with the new deal, so change is a foot which I'm in favour of

[Hibbyradge]

Ha ha, joined last July, so unless it’s been going on for that long…

Every chance it has been.

[USA_Hibee]

Thanks for that Mr Foley. What’s the hold up chief?

I would like to confirm that I am not Bill Foley.😁

[KazaHibs]

More info please...

Was told it was done. So maybe an announcement over the next day or so

[Hibernian Verse]

Every chance it has been.

We played Bournemouth in Marbella in July.

100% been ongoing.

[Hibernian Verse]

I would like to confirm that I am not Bill Foley.😁

That's what he would say on a fans messageboard...

[Hibee Daft]

Was told it was done. So maybe an announcement over the next day or so

So now its 'maybe' an announcement.. in a day or later.

Cant help but wonder if your just looking for attention or have you got genuine info

[JohnM1875]

Was told it was done. So maybe an announcement over the next day or so

Cheers for sharing what you’ve been told. Hope the info is right, obviously!

[Hibs90]

I would like to confirm that I am not Bill Foley.😁

:wink:

[leith lynx]

So now its 'maybe' an announcement.. in a day or later.

Cant help but wonder if your just looking for attention or have you got genuine info

Mibbies aye, Mibbies naw...

[Since452]

No, it's thankless being clueless on football when you are running a football club which is quite different.

We've done exceptionally well on the hospitality and revenue side - thank you Ron in particular, that was outstanding work.

We've done appallingly badly on the football recruitment side, be it managers or players. Kensell has been at Hibs for 2 and a half years alongside IG (who can exercise all of the power that comes with ownership without having to take any of the formal responsibility) and what do we have to show for it in footballing terms? Better first team/squad/management/ethos/playing style/league position/cups record? I don't think so. On field has been a succession of costly ****-ups, disappointments, excuses, resets to year zero and 'jam tomorrow' nonsense.

I don't believe they have a coherent medium to long term strategy or that they know what they are doing. And who is in there in any position of experience and authority to tell them otherwise?

Yeah spot on. Nothing to add to that.

[Stuart93]

So now its 'maybe' an announcement.. in a day or later.

Cant help but wonder if your just looking for attention or have you got genuine info

All he’s saying is maybe hibs will announce it in a day or so.

He’s not changed his original point though.

[HibbyAndy]

Foley deal approved by SFA.

Cheers for sharing :aok:

[Jakhog1]

Foley deal approved by SFA.

Where did you see this, very vague post.

[hibeerealist]

I would like to confirm that I am not Bill Foley.��


Bill, IF it is you welcome.

If not, welcome to a fairly new member, based in the states I think?

:thumbsup:

[mcohibs]

I’d be surprised if we announced anything officially until the January window closes. ‘Look at us, we’ve got money’ wouldn’t be the wisest thing to advertise when we’re probably going to be negotiating for players.

That said, nothing to stop it being leaked of course, and our CEO does have previous for being fairly loose lipped :greengrin

[jacomo]

Was told it was done. So maybe an announcement over the next day or so


Come on now.

This is worse than school bike shed gossip.

[Callum_62]

I’d be surprised if we announced anything officially until the January window closes. ‘Look at us, we’ve got money’ wouldn’t be the wisest thing to advertise when we’re probably going to be negotiating for players.

That said, nothing to stop it being leaked of course, and our CEO does have previous for being fairly loose lipped :greengrinWe don't care coz we are minted

They spent £10, we spend £100.

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[Jack]

I’d be surprised if we announced anything officially until the January window closes. ‘Look at us, we’ve got money’ wouldn’t be the wisest thing to advertise when we’re probably going to be negotiating for players.

That said, nothing to stop it being leaked of course, and our CEO does have previous for being fairly loose lipped :greengrin

Will it make any difference if they know we have money this window or the next?

[J-C]

Come on now.

This is worse than school bike shed gossip.

And you wonder why less people share things on here.

[Bridge hibs]

And you wonder why less people share things on here.

To be fair I think thats because less people have any actual information to share 😄

[Crazyhorse]

Where did you see this, very vague post.

Are there any other sources for this?

[Ronniekirk]

Are there any other sources for this?
No that I can find You would think at least one journo would of got wind of this if its happened When someone doesn’t make it clear the source ,am always suspicious , but time will tell

[CapitalGreen]

No that I can find You would think at least one journo would of got wind of this if its happened When someone doesn’t make it clear the source ,am always suspicious , but time will tell

How often does someone reveal their source?

[superfurryhibby]

How often does someone reveal their source?

The "source", a.k.a reading some nonsense on the internet and then pretending that you're ITK. :wink:

No offence to the folk on here who do get the odd snippet and share it on here :greengrin

[Greenworld]

To be fair I think thats because less people have any actual information to share [emoji1]Thats true and especially on the Bill Foley stuff. It been kept water tight and it is exactly what you would expect at this stage. There will be confidentiality clauses preventing further leaks I would imagine

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[Jakhog1]

Are there any other sources for this?

Couldn't find a crumb anywhere as someone else suggested bike shed gossip

[Joe6-2]

Was told it was done. So maybe an announcement over the next day or so

Who told you, someone in the know?

[Henderson2Del]

Not finalised yet by SFA I believe , it will be soon though

[jacomo]

And you wonder why less people share things on here.


‘Done deal from what I’ve been told’ from an anonymous poster on Hibs.net with no skin in the game isn’t sharing something. It’s worse than garbage.

[JohnM1875]

‘Done deal from what I’ve been told’ from an anonymous poster on Hibs.net with no skin in the game isn’t sharing something. It’s worse than garbage.

So because they don’t post often on here it’s automatically bs? Weird train of thought.

[Hibees1973]

No, it's thankless being clueless on football when you are running a football club which is quite different.

We've done exceptionally well on the hospitality and revenue side - thank you Ron in particular, that was outstanding work.

We've done appallingly badly on the football recruitment side, be it managers or players. Kensell has been at Hibs for 2 and a half years alongside IG (who can exercise all of the power that comes with ownership without having to take any of the formal responsibility) and what do we have to show for it in footballing terms? Better first team/squad/management/ethos/playing style/league position/cups record? I don't think so. On field has been a succession of costly ****-ups, disappointments, excuses, resets to year zero and 'jam tomorrow' nonsense.

I don't believe they have a coherent medium to long term strategy or that they know what they are doing. And who is in there in any position of experience and authority to tell them otherwise?

Pleased to see some have subsequently agreed with you. I get pelters when I post stuff like this.

When Ron was still around, but absent/unwell it was all well and good for his son to be in and around the club to monitor what was going on, on Ron's behalf.

But when Ian was appointed Head of Recruitment, with no qualifications for the role, it was a game changer. There was no going back for me. Little, on the footballing side, whether it's recruitment or admin has improved. Who knows what influence Ian Gordon and Kensell have on McDermott.

This is why I have concerns that Ian Gordon & Kensell are brokering the deal with Foley.

[CapitalGreen]

‘Done deal from what I’ve been told’ from an anonymous poster on Hibs.net with no skin in the game isn’t sharing something. It’s worse than garbage.

How does one go about having “skin in the game” on hibs.net?

[flash]

‘Done deal from what I’ve been told’ from an anonymous poster on Hibs.net with no skin in the game isn’t sharing something. It’s worse than garbage.

What a strange, angry reaction.

[RMQ1967]

Pleased to see some have subsequently agreed with you. I get pelters when I post stuff like this.

When Ron was still around, but absent/unwell it was all well and good for his son to be in and around the club to monitor what was going on, on Ron's behalf.

But when Ian was appointed Head of Recruitment, with no qualifications for the role, it was a game changer. There was no going back for me. Little, on the footballing side, whether it's recruitment or admin has improved. Who knows what influence Ian Gordon and Kensell have on McDermott.

This is why I have concerns that Ian Gordon & Kensell are brokering the deal with Foley.

No wonder you get pelters - absolute drivel without any substance.

Ian Gordon & Ben Kensell have transformed the business side of the club to the extent that it's attracted billionaire investors.

What qualifications do you have to post such garbage?

[Ronniekirk]

How often does someone reveal their source?
I don’t mean name the person just what the source was ie someone that works at the S F A , a friend who knows a director etc etc

I could post it’s now going ahead and will be announced in next few days But I would only do that if I had heard it from a source I trusted
Am not expecting them to say I bumped into Ian Gordon in The Ship Inn drinking champagne and slipping down oysters etc etc lol

[Brightside]

Some really weird posts on here at the moment. Must be a full moon soon.

[B.H.F.C]

No wonder you get pelters - absolute drivel without any substance.

Ian Gordon & Ben Kensell have transformed the business side of the club to the extent that it's attracted billionaire investors.

What qualifications do you have to post such garbage?

I don’t think anybody will dispute some of the good things on that side. But football fans are quite a simple bunch and just want to see some half decent football, which they have failed to deliver for long spells. No qualifications needed to observe that.

[Ringothedog]

Pleased to see some have subsequently agreed with you. I get pelters when I post stuff like this.

When Ron was still around, but absent/unwell it was all well and good for his son to be in and around the club to monitor what was going on, on Ron's behalf.

But when Ian was appointed Head of Recruitment, with no qualifications for the role, it was a game changer. There was no going back for me. Little, on the footballing side, whether it's recruitment or admin has improved. Who knows what influence Ian Gordon and Kensell have on McDermott.

This is why I have concerns that Ian Gordon & Kensell are brokering the deal with Foley.

One thing about your posts is that they are consistent. Your hatred for the current owners and CEO is quite creepy. You are entitled to post what you think but you are in a very small minority with your opinion.

[Torto7]

Pleased to see some have subsequently agreed with you. I get pelters when I post stuff like this.

When Ron was still around, but absent/unwell it was all well and good for his son to be in and around the club to monitor what was going on, on Ron's behalf.

But when Ian was appointed Head of Recruitment, with no qualifications for the role, it was a game changer. There was no going back for me. Little, on the footballing side, whether it's recruitment or admin has improved. Who knows what influence Ian Gordon and Kensell have on McDermott.

This is why I have concerns that Ian Gordon & Kensell are brokering the deal with Foley.

Ian Gordon does very little scouting and largely only approves moves, he's helped to set up the systems we use though. There's a team of analysts that do all of the ground work.

He's become a bit of a bogey man on here along with Ben K. No manager during their time have suffered from a lack of funds.

[bingo70]

I don’t think anybody will dispute some of the good things on that side. But football fans are quite a simple bunch and just want to see some half decent football, which they have failed to deliver for long spells. No qualifications needed to observe that.

Qualified for Europe last season.

I’m aware it wasn’t perfect but how are we defining delivering half decent football? To me, half decent is probably what they have achieved on the pitch, it’s not been brilliant but we’re getting there.

[RMQ1967]

I don’t think anybody will dispute some of the good things on that side. But football fans are quite a simple bunch and just want to see some half decent football, which they have failed to deliver for long spells. No qualifications needed to observe that.

Yeah it's difficult to argue against the view that on field performances have not improved & I wouldn't suggest that.

However, football wise we should also consider we've traded pretty well with very decent fees from a number of players. Something is going well on that front if other clubs want to buy our players.

Said previously, what do people expect with the 5th biggest budget in the league? Probably better than we have achieved but also be realistic - it's not the shambles that some like to make out.

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah it's difficult to argue against the view that on field performances have not improved & I wouldn't suggest that.

However, football wise we should also consider we've traded pretty well with very decent fees from a number of players. Something is going well on that front if other clubs want to buy our players.

Said previously, what do people expect with the 5th biggest budget in the league? Probably better than we have achieved but also be realistic - it's not the shambles that some like to make out.

I think folk would be happier if we just beat all the teams that we do have an advantage over (finances, facilities, support) more often. We need to find a bit consistency on that and the rest would take care of itself IMO.

There has been a lot said about how successful we’ve been commercially etc. Will be interesting to see what the accounts say when they come out as they had quite a big loss to turn around from the previous ones.

[Hibees1973]

One thing about your posts is that they are consistent. Your hatred for the current owners and CEO is quite creepy. You are entitled to post what you think but you are in a very small minority with your opinion.

Hate is a bit strong.

It's more a lack of belief and trust I have in both of them that they have the acumen to appoint the correct people and make astute decisions to get a successful football team on the park. This is really the ultimate aim.

Thanks for allowing me to post what I want.

Try and avoid personal digs at fellow posters in future.

[J-C]

‘Done deal from what I’ve been told’ from an anonymous poster on Hibs.net with no skin in the game isn’t sharing something. It’s worse than garbage.

Jeezo man chill, the guy got told something and he comes on here to share with like minded people, he shouldn't get cross examined as if he was on trial ffs.

[Ringothedog]

Hate is a bit strong.

It's more a lack of belief and trust I have in both of them that they have the acumen to appoint the correct people and make astute decisions to get a successful football team on the park. This is really the ultimate aim.

Thanks for allowing me to post what I want.

Try and avoid personal digs at fellow posters in future.

I will continue to post what I believe as will you

[King Cosell]

Jeezo man chill, the guy got told something and he comes on here to share with like minded people, he shouldn't get cross examined as if he was on trial ffs.

There should be a trial, and if found guilty, he should stay behind after the next home game and pick up litter.

[jacomo]

Jeezo man chill, the guy got told something and he comes on here to share with like minded people, he shouldn't get cross examined as if he was on trial ffs.


Did they though?

It’s not unreasonable to ask for the source.

[RMQ1967]

Hate is a bit strong.

It's more a lack of belief and trust I have in both of them that they have the acumen to appoint the correct people and make astute decisions to get a successful football team on the park. This is really the ultimate aim.

Thanks for allowing me to post what I want.

Try and avoid personal digs at fellow posters in future.

No-one will argue against any of that but building a successful team doesn't happen quickly unless you have a massive influx of cash - that might be about to happen.

Perhaps consider that you're having personal digs at the guys who have been doing tremendously well for the benefit of our club on many fronts.

[Stuart93]

Did they though?

It’s not unreasonable to ask for the source.

But none of the guys who post rumours that they heard from their source get asked for it regularly?

[jacomo]

But none of the guys who post rumours that they heard from their source get asked for it regularly?


If you’ve got form for providing info then that’s different.

I don’t, but I’ve heard that Shankland is finalising a shock move across the city. Do you believe me?

[McD]

Hate is a bit strong.

It's more a lack of belief and trust I have in both of them that they have the acumen to appoint the correct people and make astute decisions to get a successful football team on the park. This is really the ultimate aim.

Thanks for allowing me to post what I want.

Try and avoid personal digs at fellow posters in future.


No-one will argue against any of that but building a successful team doesn't happen quickly unless you have a massive influx of cash - that might be about to happen.

Perhaps consider that you're having personal digs at the guys who have been doing tremendously well for the benefit of our club on many fronts.


Could also consider avoiding the personal digs at potential signings as well

[J-C]

Did they though?

It’s not unreasonable to ask for the source.

Tell me, how many people tell you their source, this a rumours page and he posted a rumour, some are good and some aren't but to get cross examined when you do, puts people off sharing on here.

[jacomo]

Tell me, how many people tell you their source, this a rumours page and he posted a rumour, some are good and some aren't but to get cross examined when you do, puts people off sharing on here.


Hibs to change our away strip to red and black stripes, from what I’ve heard.

[04Sauzee]

Hibs to change our away strip to red and black stripes, from what I’ve heard.

Umbro Kits with Joma deal ending

[jacomo]

Umbro Kits with Joma deal ending


:aok:

[mcohibs]

Will it make any difference if they know we have money this window or the next?

Not sure I understand the question.

If we were to announce significant investment in the middle of a transfer window, it may well result in clubs boosting their asking price for players if we come knocking. Makes sense to hold off IMO, which I think is what the club are doing.

[thebausburst]

Not sure I understand the question.

If we were to announce significant investment in the middle of a transfer window, it may well result in clubs boosting their asking price for players if we come knocking. Makes sense to hold off IMO, which I think is what the club are doing.

The ‘investment’ once/if approved by the SFA still needs to go to shareholders next month to be ratified so has no impact this window I’m afraid.

[Greenworld]

The ‘investment’ once/if approved by the SFA still needs to go to shareholders next month to be ratified so has no impact this window I’m afraid.I read that this morning as well can the shareholder meeting not be brought forward ?

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[Hibernian Verse]

I read that this morning as well can the shareholder meeting not be brought forward ?

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Yes, an EGM.

[theonlywayisup]

As others have noted, it's gone a bit quiet since the meeting with the SFA on the 14th December.

Am I correct in stating that Hibs haven't submitted a formal request for the approval of dual interest dispensation against article 13, so any claims that it's been rejected or decision held back until after the transfer window is closed is scaremongering. The last confirmed report by Hibs was on the 14th December, being Club Statement: Scottish FA Board Meeting - Hibernian FC (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/club-statement-scottish-fa-board-meeting).

I posted this yesterday just before the "Foley deal approved by SFA" post by KazaHibs. Is there any confirmation that Hibs have actually submitted a formal request for the approval of dual interest dispensation against article 13? I'd have thought that it would have been reported in the press, if we had.

[BS44]

There is nothing stopping Bournemouth loaning us players now if it wanted.

[.Sean.]

Umbro Kits with Joma deal ending
I was thinking yesterday I wonder who we’ll end up with kit wise as thankfully Joma are up in the summer, I was actually going to start a thread

IMO Joma have by and large been honking. The first home kit was alright and the first away one was admittedly a thing of beauty but since then they have been very very average

Umbro would be my choice, usually clean and simple and pretty smart

[Caversham Green]

The ‘investment’ once/if approved by the SFA still needs to go to shareholders next month to be ratified so has no impact this window I’m afraid.

I think that means that it will be a new share issue (rather than the Gordons selling part of their shareholding) since it would be the increase in authorised share capital that would need to be ratified.

[Caversham Green]

Pleased to see some have subsequently agreed with you. I get pelters when I post stuff like this.

When Ron was still around, but absent/unwell it was all well and good for his son to be in and around the club to monitor what was going on, on Ron's behalf.

But when Ian was appointed Head of Recruitment, with no qualifications for the role, it was a game changer. There was no going back for me. Little, on the footballing side, whether it's recruitment or admin has improved. Who knows what influence Ian Gordon and Kensell have on McDermott.

This is why I have concerns that Ian Gordon & Kensell are brokering the deal with Foley.

Out of interest, what is it you think they might get wrong?

[flash]

Hibs to change our away strip to red and black stripes, from what I’ve heard.

Would love a green and black striped away kit by Umbro.

[Northernhibee]

Out of interest, what is it you think they might get wrong?

Look at the state of our squad. Our bench in particular.

How can we sign so many players and in some occasions barely be able to field eleven first team quality players?

[CropleyWasGod]

I read that this morning as well can the shareholder meeting not be brought forward ?

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There's not enough notice time for that.

[Caversham Green]

Look at the state of our squad. Our bench in particular.

How can we sign so many players and in some occasions barely be able to field eleven first team quality players?

But the deal isn't about IG or BK identifying or signing players, it's about obtaining investment in the club and they seem to have done alright so far in that respect.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I was thinking yesterday I wonder who we’ll end up with kit wise as thankfully Joma are up in the summer, I was actually going to start a thread

IMO Joma have by and large been honking. The first home kit was alright and the first away one was admittedly a thing of beauty but since then they have been very very average

Umbro would be my choice, usually clean and simple and pretty smart

Opinions eh. Joma have been great. Actual bespoke kits rather than templates.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Opinions eh. Joma have been great. Actual bespoke kits rather than templates.


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The whole template thing wouldn’t bother me at all tbh. I can see the argument if you’re Rangers or Aberdeen and wear a top that’s one solid colour that’s worn by millions of other teams. Our top would be very unique, even if it is based off a template.

[CapitalGreen]

The whole template thing wouldn’t bother me at all tbh. I can see the argument if you’re Rangers or Aberdeen and wear a top that’s one solid colour that’s worn by millions of other teams. Our top would be very unique, even if it is based off a template.

We had templates with Puma and Nike and bar a couple of good ones they were abysmal.

[Clarence]

The whole template thing wouldn’t bother me at all tbh. I can see the argument if you’re Rangers or Aberdeen and wear a top that’s one solid colour that’s worn by millions of other teams. Our top would be very unique, even if it is based off a template.

My all time favourite kit is the 88-89 adidas which is the same template as the Arsenal kit of the time. I think an adidas strip like that would be a big hit even if it wasn’t bespoke.

[bingo70]

Opinions eh. Joma have been great. Actual bespoke kits rather than templates.


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They’ve been better than I was expecting them to be when I first heard we were going with them.

Biggest disappointment with them for me has been their training gear. That’s been really poor I think.

My only preference for the next kit is for it not to be Nike, I hated those strips they did for us before. It’s more than a bit cliche but Adidas would be good.

[mcohibs]

Opinions eh. Joma have been great. Actual bespoke kits rather than templates.


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Joma away kits have been superb. Home kits not that great IMO, apart from this season’s maybe.

The decision on next manufacturer will have been made, I remember reading that sign-off on kit design for next season is usually about this time of year. Probably worth its own thread.

[Smartie]

But the deal isn't about IG or BK identifying or signing players, it's about obtaining investment in the club and they seem to have done alright so far in that respect.

A slight tangent - but was it not the case that having got us into a world of trouble, Duff and Gray actually came good for us right at the end?

So whilst IG and BK correctly deserve criticism for their roles in overseeing a bit of a mess on the football front, there’s nothing to suggest that they shouldn’t be able to oversee a neat transition to the Foley era?

[Caversham Green]

A slight tangent - but was it not the case that having got us into a world of trouble, Duff and Gray actually came good for us right at the end?

So whilst IG and BK correctly deserve criticism for their roles in overseeing a bit of a mess on the football front, there’s nothing to suggest that they shouldn’t be able to oversee a neat transition to the Foley era?

That's pretty much my view - the Foley deal is essentially a business rather than a football transaction. There will apparently be football recruitment elements involved but that would be taking those decisions out of BK and IG's hands, which is the aspect that they haven't been good at.

[superfurryhibby]

That's pretty much my view - the Foley deal is essentially a business rather than a football transaction. There will apparently be football recruitment elements involved but that would be taking those decisions out of BK and IG's hands, which is the aspect that they haven't been good at.

Is that why McDermott is here ? The football decisions part.

[.Sean.]

Opinions eh. Joma have been great. Actual bespoke kits rather than templates.


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Don’t think I’ll ever forgive them for that absolute abomination of a home kit last year. Horrific 😂

[Caversham Green]

Is that why McDermott is here ? The football decisions part.

Well yes it is why he's at Hibs, but as far as I can see the concerns of the op revolve around IG and BK's involvement in the football side of things. McDermott may well have concerns about his position at the club if/when this deal goes through but I think I'd be more concerned if he was negotiating the Foley deal rather than the other two.

[Centre Hawf]

Opinions eh. Joma have been great. Actual bespoke kits rather than templates.


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That's because someone at the club designed them as opposed to Joma, however that may not be the case going forward.

[Dmas]

That's because someone at the club designed them as opposed to Joma, however that may not be the case going forward.

Michael B Jordan designing Bournemouth’s away kit for next year….brace yourself

[Smartie]

Don’t think I’ll ever forgive them for that absolute abomination of a home kit last year. Horrific 😂

I liked that one.

[matty_f]

I liked that one.

So did I, and this year is the first time I can remember that I’ve got all three tops. The third kit in particular is cracking, I really rate it.

[bod]

Umbro Kits with Joma deal ending

was hoping for bukta

[WhileTheChief..]

But the deal isn't about IG or BK identifying or signing players, it's about obtaining investment in the club and they seem to have done alright so far in that respect.

Were Hibs actively looking for outside investment? I’d never heard a word about that before Foley’s name appeared out of the blue.

I thought it was the Black Knights actively looking at clubs to invest in, no?

[bingo70]

Were Hibs actively looking for outside investment? I’d never heard a word about that before Foley’s name appeared out of the blue.

I thought it was the Black Knights actively looking at clubs to invest in, no?

I was told recently that there were people across from America for Ron Gordon’s memorial service and were at the Rangers game who were seriously wealthy or well connected people. Apparently meetings were held on the back of that and Ron Gordon’s wealth may have been underestimated.

I don’t know how accurate this is and can’t provide any evidence but thought I’d pass it on as it may be relevant to the question you’ve asked. Person who told me is in a senior position in an investment company in Edinburgh.

[WhileTheChief..]

^^ Thanks, appreciate the info.

I wonder if one of Foley's crew were one of the people you mention at the memorial service.

That actually adds something to the deal. A bit of emotion is to be welcomed and shows it's not just about the £££s.

[gbhibby]

I was told recently that there were people across from America for Ron Gordon’s memorial service and were at the Rangers game who were seriously wealthy or well connected people. Apparently meetings were held on the back of that and Ron Gordon’s wealth may have been underestimated.

I don’t know how accurate this is and can’t provide any evidence but thought I’d pass it on as it may be relevant to the question you’ve asked. Person who told me is in a senior position in an investment company in Edinburgh.
Was it Leslie Robb ?

[bingo70]

Was it Leslie Robb ?

Who told me? Nah, he’s the guy that owns the 10% of Hibs isn’t it? If he works in the Finance industry in Edinburgh then I suppose it could have originated from him but I don’t know.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who told me? Nah, he’s the guy that owns the 10% of Hibs isn’t it? If he works in the Finance industry in Edinburgh then I suppose it could have originated from him but I don’t know.

Was a partner at Baillie Gifford and is very knowledgeable/experienced on the investment front.

[Just Alf]

Foley deal approved by SFA.
Was told it was done. So maybe an announcement over the next day or soCheers for that, fingers crossed!

[gbhibby]

If the deal is approved I would imagine Bill Foley will be jetting in on his private jet for a press conference. Perhaps any airport workers on here could check arrivals at the signature terminal.

[matty_f]

If the deal is approved I would imagine Bill Foley will be jetting in on his private jet for a press conference. Perhaps any airport workers on here could check arrivals at the signature terminal.

He'll be in the away end at Forfar, but we'll never know because he'll be wearing all black and a balaclava, but if you listen carefully you'll hear someone with an American accent giving it big licks to the Mercer song.

[Greencore]

He'll be in the away end at Forfar, but we'll never know because he'll be wearing all black and a balaclava, but if you listen carefully you'll hear someone with an American accent giving it big licks to the Mercer song.
😂😂😂😂

[brianmc]

He'll be in the away end at Forfar, but we'll never know because he'll be wearing all black and a balaclava, but if you listen carefully you'll hear someone with an American accent giving it big licks to the Mercer song.

Just another hanger on?

[southern hibby]

Couple of questions on the subject.

Does Fowley have any connections to the Gordon’s from previous business’ ? Or alternatively someone that worked for him and the Gordon’s that could have put this deal together?

If Fowley is the second biggest share holder and the Gordon’s decide to sell up does Fowley get first refusal to buy?

GGTTH

[Libby Hibby]

Couple of questions on the subject.

Does Fowley have any connections to the Gordon’s from previous business’ ? Or alternatively someone that worked for him and the Gordon’s that could have put this deal together?

If Fowley is the second biggest share holder and the Gordon’s decide to sell up does Fowley get first refusal to buy?

GGTTH

1. Don’t know.
2. Don’t know.

[babahibs]

So did I, and this year is the first time I can remember that I’ve got all three tops. The third kit in particular is cracking, I really rate it.

This years 3rd kit is the best we've had in years, I've been wearing it on holiday in Thailand atm and have had a few comments about it, great conversation starter.

[Aldo]

Couple of questions on the subject.

Does Fowley have any connections to the Gordon’s from previous business’ ? Or alternatively someone that worked for him and the Gordon’s that could have put this deal together?

If Fowley is the second biggest share holder and the Gordon’s decide to sell up does Fowley get first refusal to buy?

GGTTH

Sorry it’s Foley not Fowley!

[GordonHFC]

Is today Foley Day ?

[USA_Hibee]

Is today Foley Day ?

Hopefully!

[gorgie greens]

Is today Foley Day ?

Bit of a pondery this ,announce it and every deal we are doing both club's and agents will squeeze more money out of us but for me if we can do business in this window and if we have any chance of getting 3rd in the league then we have to go for it.
But EGM will need to be done ASAP as the clock is ticking

[J-C]

Hopefully!

You mean Hopefoley :greengrin

[USA_Hibee]

Probably a stupid question here - When the Gordon's purchased their shares I'm assuming an EGM was called for this?

[Ozyhibby]

Bit of a pondery this ,announce it and every deal we are doing both club's and agents will squeeze more money out of us but for me if we can do business in this window and if we have any chance of getting 3rd in the league then we have to go for it.
But EGM will need to be done ASAP as the clock is ticking

Alternatively, as we have businessmen in charge, clubs and agents will be told what we are willing to pay and to take it or leave it. There are lots of footballers in the world.


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[nonshinyfinish]

Probably a stupid question here - When the Gordon's purchased their shares I'm assuming an EGM was called for this?I think the EGM is only needed to vote on the creation of new shares, so presumably not.

[CropleyWasGod]

Bit of a pondery this ,announce it and every deal we are doing both club's and agents will squeeze more money out of us but for me if we can do business in this window and if we have any chance of getting 3rd in the league then we have to go for it.
But EGM will need to be done ASAP as the clock is ticking

There won't be an EGM this month, if that's what you mean. It needs 21 days' notice normally, 14 days in some cases.

[Caversham Green]

Were Hibs actively looking for outside investment? I’d never heard a word about that before Foley’s name appeared out of the blue.

I thought it was the Black Knights actively looking at clubs to invest in, no?

I don't know for sure but it seems likely that the Black Knights made the first approach. Hibs were obviously open to the idea of outside investment though or the deal wouldn't be happening.

[USA_Hibee]

There won't be an EGM this month, if that's what you mean. It needs 21 days' notice normally, 14 days in some cases.

Does there need to be an EGM if this investment was to happen?

[CropleyWasGod]

Does there need to be an EGM if this investment was to happen?

If we are issuing new shares, yes.

If BF is buying existing shares, no.

If BF is putting money in by any other means (eg loans), no.

[jacomo]

Were Hibs actively looking for outside investment? I’d never heard a word about that before Foley’s name appeared out of the blue.

I thought it was the Black Knights actively looking at clubs to invest in, no?


Ron Gordon was actively trying to work with other Scottish teams to grow the profile of the league as a whole, so I can imagine he was also talking to all sorts of people in America too.

Not saying Hibs were actively for sale, but that Ron was open to having conversations with potential investors.

[southern hibby]

Sorry it’s Foley not Fowley!

Naughty boy me!!

[USA_Hibee]

Thank you to each of you who had answered a question of mine. Can't multi quote on mobile. Thanks! 👍

[hibsforeurope]

I've no idea how these things work but presumably there was an EGM when the new shares were created when Ron bough the club? At this meeting was it just a formality the share would be agreed, could more new shares for BF be knocked back by shareholders?

[JohnM1875]

Thank you to each of you who had answered a question of mine. Can't multi quote on mobile. Thanks! 👍

Come on, Bill. You’re fooling no one 😉

[One Day Soon]

Thank you to each of you who had answered a question of mine. Can't multi quote on mobile. Thanks! 👍

How do you multi quote, I've never understood that?

[CropleyWasGod]

I've no idea how these things work but presumably there was an EGM when the new shares were created when Ron bough the club? At this meeting was it just a formality the share would be agreed, could more new shares for BF be knocked back by shareholders?

There weren't any new shares created when Ron bought the club. He bought STF's and RP's shares. So there was no need for an EGM.

Any new shares this time would need a 75% majority of votes, so there is a (slim) chance it would be rejected.

[hibsforeurope]

There weren't any new shares created when Ron bought the club. He bought STF's and RP's shares. So there was no need for an EGM.

Thanks for confirming.

just trying to get my head round all this stuff, How come the HSL shares were diluted?

[Bridge hibs]

Thank you to each of you who had answered a question of mine. Can't multi quote on mobile. Thanks! 👍


How do you multi quote, I've never understood that?

User CP > Default > Open Thread > Click/Tick wee box at the right beside reply with quote > Post away > Reply to Thread > Bobs yer Uncle 🤞

I use the light version but you cant multi quote from that version so you have to go to default which brings up desktop version

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[Greencore]

Is today the day ......👀
Where's matty or jeffers?

[gbhibby]

Is today the day ......👀
Where's matty or jeffers?
At Edinburgh Airport watching out for private jets landing.

[One Day Soon]

User CP > Default > Open Thread > Click/Tick wee box at the right beside reply with quote > Post away > Reply to Thread > Bobs yer Uncle 🤞

I use the light version but you cant multi quote from that version so you have to go to default which brings up desktop version

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Thanks.

User CP? Default? In other news, I am 59...

[Aldo]

Naughty boy me!!

[emoji12]

[J-C]

User CP > Default > Open Thread > Click/Tick wee box at the right beside reply with quote > Post away > Reply to Thread > Bobs yer Uncle 🤞

I use the light version but you cant multi quote from that version so you have to go to default which brings up desktop version

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Doesn't work on mobile lite version though.

[Bridge hibs]

Thanks.

User CP? Default? In other news, I am 59...User CP at the top right, click on that then click on default style and that will take you to the desk top version and when on that just to the right of “reply with quote there is a wee box, just tick that for whatever posts you are quoting then post what you want to post and submit

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[Bridge hibs]

Doesn't work on mobile lite version though.

yeah I said that but you just switch to desktop (hibs.net Vb4) instead ��

[Caversham Green]

I've no idea how these things work but presumably there was an EGM when the new shares were created when Ron bough the club? At this meeting was it just a formality the share would be agreed, could more new shares for BF be knocked back by shareholders?


There weren't any new shares created when Ron bought the club. He bought STF's and RP's shares. So there was no need for an EGM.

Any new shares this time would need a 75% majority of votes, so there is a (slim) chance it would be rejected.

The EGM would be required to raise the Authorised Share Capital rather than to approve the issue of shares. Ron did actually issue new shares to himself but there was already headroom in the Authorised Share Capital because of STF's scheme to issue shares to HSL and other fans.

[J-C]

yeah I said that but you just switch to desktop (hibs.net Vb4) instead ��

Ah missed that, desktop on the phone is pants, prefer the mobile lite. 👍

[Bridge hibs]

Ah missed that, desktop on the phone is pants, prefer the mobile lite. 👍

Yeah same mate 👍

[JohnM1875]

Doesn't work on mobile lite version though.

Just open a new tab on mobile, reply to the post you want to quote so you can copy the post. Then add it to the original tab you’re quoting.

Or just don’t bother on mobile haha.

[CapitalGreen]

Thanks for confirming.

just trying to get my head round all this stuff, How come the HSL shares were diluted?

New shares were authorised in 2015 and it was these shares which HSL and individual fans were purchasing from 2015-2019. RG bought the remainder of these shares in summer 2019 along with STF and RP’s shareholdings.

HSL have complained that their shareholding was diluted by RG purchasing these shares and that the share offering shouldn’t have allowed an individual to purchase that many shares. However, here is Leeann Dempster in 2016 encouraging those who wish to invest larger amounts to get in touch with the club. She was a director of HSL at this time and remained on the board throughout the time RG was in negotiations with the club.

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[banchoryhibs]

Thanks for confirming.

just trying to get my head round all this stuff, How come the HSL shares were diluted?

HSL held just short of 20% the issued and allocated shares before Ron Gordon acquired Sir Tom and Rod Petrie's holding.
A company can issue shares to be available for purchase but they are not allocated until someone has bought them.
Part of Ron's purchase deal somehow allowed him to also acquire all available unallocated shares.
This increased his percentage shareholding but at the same time diluted everyone else's percentage holding.

[theonlywayisup]

As others have noted, it's gone a bit quiet since the meeting with the SFA on the 14th December.

Am I correct in stating that Hibs haven't submitted a formal request for the approval of dual interest dispensation against article 13, so any claims that it's been rejected or decision held back until after the transfer window is closed is scaremongering. The last confirmed report by Hibs was on the 14th December, being Club Statement: Scottish FA Board Meeting - Hibernian FC (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/club-statement-scottish-fa-board-meeting).


I posted this yesterday just before the "Foley deal approved by SFA" post by KazaHibs. Is there any confirmation that Hibs have actually submitted a formal request for the approval of dual interest dispensation against article 13? I'd have thought that it would have been reported in the press, if we had.

I don't think anyone has answered my question - have Hibs actually submitted a formal request. :tumble: If so, where is it reported.

[flash]

I don't think anyone has answered my question - have Hibs actually submitted a formal request. :tumble: If so, where is it reported.

Don't think anyone knows. The club have been silent about the whole process other than one statement which was probably released due to press speculation.

[hibsforeurope]

New shares were authorised in 2015 and it was these shares which HSL and individual fans were purchasing from 2015-2019. RG bought the remainder of these shares in summer 2019 along with STF and RP’s shareholdings.

HSL have complained that their shareholding was diluted by RG purchasing these shares and that the share offering shouldn’t have allowed an individual to purchase that many shares. However, here is Leeann Dempster in 2016 encouraging those who wish to invest larger amounts to get in touch with the club. She was a director of HSL at this time and remained on the board throughout the time RG was in negotiations with the club.

27597

Thanks for explaining. I've no real opinion on the dilution of HSL's shares, i was just looking to see if the Foley deal needs an EGM to go through or not. sounds like it does and that will be Feb at the earliest (if 14 days is required).

[WhileTheChief..]

I don't know for sure but it seems likely that the Black Knights made the first approach. Hibs were obviously open to the idea of outside investment though or the deal wouldn't be happening.


Ron Gordon was actively trying to work with other Scottish teams to grow the profile of the league as a whole, so I can imagine he was also talking to all sorts of people in America too.

Not saying Hibs were actively for sale, but that Ron was open to having conversations with potential investors.

That's what I thought.

But there have been suggestions recently that the deal is down to Ben Kendall finding outside investment. I don't see it that way at all and doubt he'll have much say, if any, in this.

[gbhibby]

That's what I thought.

But there have been suggestions recently that the deal is down to Ben Kendall finding outside investment. I don't see it that way at all and doubt he'll have much say, if any, in this.
He makes great mint cakes as well

[Springbank]

He makes great mint cakes as well

Tremendous calibre family tree, too, or so I was told by his dad Howard and mum Felicity

[CropleyWasGod]

Thanks for explaining. I've no real opinion on the dilution of HSL's shares, i was just looking to see if the Foley deal needs an EGM to go through or not. sounds like it does and that will be Feb at the earliest (if 14 days is required).

Only if there are new shares, though.

ATM, no-one on here seems to know what form it's taking.

[SaulGoodman]

He makes great mint cakes as well

Great for mountain climbing recovery. Which is handy because watching Hibs is often an uphill struggle.

[Hibbyradge]

Sorry it’s Foley not Fowley!

Also, it's Gordons not Gordon's.

[CapitalGreen]

That's what I thought.

But there have been suggestions recently that the deal is down to Ben Kendall finding outside investment. I don't see it that way at all and doubt he'll have much say, if any, in this.

I believe the club had been working with consultants who specialise in football finance and BK travelled to the US with IG to meet with Foley.

[Centre Hawf]

I don't think anyone has answered my question - have Hibs actually submitted a formal request. :tumble: If so, where is it reported.

I don't think we'll know until it's either rejected or approved. But the statement does say it's the next step in the process so if it hasn't been done yet then I can't imagine it's far away.

[Lago]

That's what I thought.

But there have been suggestions recently that the deal is down to Ben Kendall finding outside investment. I don't see it that way at all and doubt he'll have much say, if any, in this.
No one knows how the initial contact was made, no one knows how the negotiations proceeded and no one knows what the actual time scales are for a formal contract sign off, everyone is merely speculating on not a lot of information.

[tug.lismore]

Bit of a pondery this ,announce it and every deal we are doing both club's and agents will squeeze more money out of us but for me if we can do business in this window and if we have any chance of getting 3rd in the league then we have to go for it.
But EGM will need to be done ASAP as the clock is tickingIt could work the other way.

Getting to Bournemouth and the EPL is where the cash cow is. Hibernian will be a stepping stone along the way.

So maybe players will be willing to come to Hibs for less money to increase their chances of getting into the EPL.

It could mean that we see a better quality of player at Easter Road but a high turnover through the squad.

I'll take getting better players through regularly even if they don't stay for long.

Yes we become part of the conveyor belt and a feeder club but if the trade off is success in our league then bring it on.

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[Henderson2Del]

There weren't any new shares created when Ron bought the club. He bought STF's and RP's shares. So there was no need for an EGM.

Any new shares this time would need a 75% majority of votes, so there is a (slim) chance it would be rejected.

Hi CWG, is an egm or agm only needed do you think if new shares being created? If the Gordon’s sell 24.9% and go below 50% is that a vote? Surely Leslie Robb may have a part to play?

[CapitalGreen]

Hi CWG, is an egm or agm only needed do you think if new shares being created? If the Gordon’s sell 24.9% and go below 50% is that a vote? Surely Leslie Robb may have a part to play?

A meeting/vote wouldn’t be required if Robb or Gordon were simply selling their own shares to Foley.

[southern hibby]

Also, it's Gordons not Gordon's.

So I’m a very naughty boy.

GGTTH

[Lago]

So I’m a very naughty boy.

GGTTH
Got to steer clear of the grammar police on here. :agree:

[WhileTheChief..]

No one knows how the initial contact was made, no one knows how the negotiations proceeded and no one knows what the actual time scales are for a formal contract sign off, everyone is merely speculating on not a lot of information.

BK is an employee.

There's no reason for a Chief Exec to be involved in any of this, and he probably isn't, other than to keep IG company on flights :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

BK is an employee.

There's no reason for a Chief Exec to be involved in any of this, and he probably isn't, other than to keep IG company on flights :greengrin

I would expect him to be involved. He's an important part of the Club, as well as being a Board member.

It's probably within his remit to prepare or oversee the application to the SFA, for example.

[JimBHibees]

I would expect him to be involved. He's an important part of the Club, as well as being a Board member.

It's probably within his remit to prepare or oversee the application to the SFA, for example.

No way the chief exec would not be involved in this imo.

[Brightside]

No way the chief exec would not be involved in this imo.

He's been massively involved.

[JimBHibees]

He's been massively involved.

Wouldn't expect anything else

[andrew70]

He's been massively involved.

And quite rightly too. He’s a man who works tirelessly for the club.

[Hibiza]

The whole thing , like a lot of things is a load of p**sh

[CapitalGreen]

The whole thing , like a lot of things is a load of p**sh

Such as your contributions to this message board for example.

[Ringothedog]

Such as your contributions to this message board for example.

😂

[babahibs]

The whole thing , like a lot of things is a load of p**sh

Twat

[Hibbyradge]

The whole thing , like a lot of things is a load of p**sh

Aren't you confusing pish with Ponzi?

[Hibs4185]

The whole thing , like a lot of things is a load of p**sh

Wrong thread mate, you should look for the new stand thread on kickback

[Aldo]

The whole thing , like a lot of things is a load of p**sh

Green with Envy

[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

LTYF

[Lago]

BK is an employee.

There's no reason for a Chief Exec to be involved in any of this, and he probably isn't, other than to keep IG company on flights :greengrin
Nonsence of course he would be involved, that's what he's employed to do.

[McD]

The whole thing , like a lot of things is a load of p**sh



Do you think Foley et al are just having a laugh?

[Hibs90]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/bill-foley-hibs-investment-timeline-28474491

"Hibs are confident of being given the go-ahead but they need the confirmation from the SFA in writing before it can be rubber-stamped. On top of that, Hibees shareholders will get the chance to give their own approval of the terms and conditions of the deal at an AGM, reports the Daily Mail. With 21 days notice required for an AGM and the delay in the process with the SFA, that means nothing will be confirmed before next month."

Is this correct?

[Aldo]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/bill-foley-hibs-investment-timeline-28474491

"Hibs are confident of being given the go-ahead but they need the confirmation from the SFA in writing before it can be rubber-stamped. On top of that, Hibees shareholders will get the chance to give their own approval of the terms and conditions of the deal at an AGM, reports the Daily Mail. With 21 days notice required for an AGM and the delay in the process with the SFA, that means nothing will be confirmed before next month."

Is this correct?

I think others have explained it earlier in the thread.

If they are selling their own shares NO.

If new shares are being issued YES

Hope I got this right!

[Lago]

Judging by the piece in today's Daily Mail the SFA have yet to issue approval and it's unlikely to be in place until next month at the earliest.

[overdrive]

I think others have explained it earlier in the thread.

If they are selling their own shares NO.

If new shares are being issued YES

Hope I got this right!

It should say EGM not AGM. Just because we are at that time of year, the AGM and EGM will probably be held one after the other on the same day but not necessarily.

[Ronniekirk]

So SFA dragging thier heels with no date yet set for them to meet to approve this No surprise there
If this was Rangers , there would have been several statements and pressure applied behind the scenes no doubt
Would be nice to know what’s holding up them setting a date to meet

[Aldo]

It should say EGM not AGM. Just because we are at that time of year, the AGM and EGM will probably be held one after the other on the same day but not necessarily.

Thanks but I thought the poster was asking if we need approval as per the Daily Mails article.

I was of the understanding we don’t if shareholders were selling their own shares but do need approval if there was a new share issue!

[Aldo]

So SFA dragging thier heels with no date yet set for them to meet to approve this No surprise there
If this was Rangers , there would have been several statements and pressure applied behind the scenes no doubt
Would be nice to know what’s holding up them setting a date to meet

Ronnie I thought the meeting had already taken place and the next stage was to submit the necessary documents to be rubber stamped!

I was of the understanding that there was no other meeting planned or required moving forward!

[ozwoody]

I may be a bit stupid here ( very high chance tbh) but can't Bournemouth buy players and loan them to us regardless of Foley's investment? It seems it will be ratified , just outwith the Jan window

[delaCalz]

I may be a bit stupid here ( very high chance tbh) but can't Bournemouth buy players and loan them to us regardless of Foley's investment? It seems it will be ratified , just outwith the Jan window

Was thinking the same thing. Surely doesn't stop us getting loan players in from Bournemouth...

[Paulie Walnuts]

I may be a bit stupid here ( very high chance tbh) but can't Bournemouth buy players and loan them to us regardless of Foley's investment? It seems it will be ratified , just outwith the Jan window

Yup.

This is the route I would have expected us to go down. Worst case scenario the deal falls through and Bournemouth have loaned us a few players who will get game time.

I can understand no actual funds being made available until it’s official but you would think loans could be organised earlier.

On that note, the Ecuadorian boy seems to have gone very quiet. Presumably not happening?

[GloryGlory]

I may be a bit stupid here ( very high chance tbh) but can't Bournemouth buy players and loan them to us regardless of Foley's investment? It seems it will be ratified , just outwith the Jan window

Maybe want to avoid the appearance of Foley and Bournemouth effectively being in control and deciding transfers prior to SFA approval?

[Ronniekirk]

Ronnie I thought the meeting had already taken place and the next stage was to submit the necessary documents to be rubber stamped!

I was of the understanding that there was no other meeting planned or required moving forward!

Ah read the post further up wrong It says delay in process by SFA but still a delay at that end holding things up by sound of it

[Carheenlea]

So SFA dragging thier heels with no date yet set for them to meet to approve this No surprise there
If this was Rangers , there would have been several statements and pressure applied behind the scenes no doubt
Would be nice to know what’s holding up them setting a date to meet

Yes, a real surprise this.

Reeks of McKinley’s musty maroon cardigan.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yup.

This is the route I would have expected us to go down. Worst case scenario the deal falls through and Bournemouth have loaned us a few players who will get game time.

I can understand no actual funds being made available until it’s official but you would think loans could be organised earlier.

On that note, the Ecuadorian boy seems to have gone very quiet. Presumably not happening?

Loans of cash, too.

That's no concern of the SFA.

[neil7908]

Was thinking the same thing. Surely doesn't stop us getting loan players in from Bournemouth...

True but let's be honest, Foley et al are not doing this out of charity. They are in this to make money.

They only want to help Hibs if it's in their interest. At this point the deal could fall through. They will have bigger clubs than Hibs playing at a higher level that would take their players on loan.

They have no affinity for us - it's all business, and therefore they won't be doing us any favours until it's all 100% agreed.

[tonyrougier123]

Was thinking the same thing. Surely doesn't stop us getting loan players in from Bournemouth...

Foley owns Bournemouth and loans could be sorted despite the wait for ratification. I’d like to say this guy will be good for hibs but I just don’t like early signs. Lorient are in a bit of a tailspin and he’s talking about recalling their talisman from his loan at them,I watched a cherries podcast to gain an insight and they had a lorient fan on. They clearly aren’t impressed and could potentially go down.
We need to be solid in our understanding of what foleys involvement means for the club before accepting his cash injection.
Whilst it might be someone to tap into hibs potential it could also be a massive faux pas the like we’ve seen before. If it goes wrong could set us back years from our rivals. I also feel mentioning hibs during a conversation about a player they haven’t even signed for Bournemouth yet raises massive red flags for me.
We need to proceed carefully and understand this pyramid nonsense before dipping our toes.
I’ve took a while to digest this guy’s credentials as an investor and I understand we know very little of what it entails.
We really need the hibs voices inside that boardroom to start helping the supporters understand the ethos, and direction the club is going.
We need a management team to put a winning formula on the park and we seem to be signing no defensive players of considerable ability ,preventing goals is as important as scoring and for seasons now our club has evaded being shrewd in that department despite having 3-4 managers and a sporting director in recent seasons.
I don’t want to sound doom and gloom I just feel we need to be vigilant, as we the supporters are the long term. owners and investors are fleeting moments the history of any football club and subject to our scrutiny.

[greenlex]

Foley owns Bournemouth and loans could be sorted despite the wait for ratification. I’d like to say this guy will be good for hibs but I just don’t like early signs. Lorient are in a bit of a tailspin and he’s talking about recalling their talisman from his loan at them,I watched a cherries podcast to gain an insight and they had a lorient fan on. They clearly aren’t impressed and could potentially go down.
We need to be solid in our understanding of what foleys involvement means for the club before accepting his cash injection.
Whilst it might be someone to tap into hibs potential it could also be a massive faux pas the like we’ve seen before. If it goes wrong could set us back years from our rivals. I also feel mentioning hibs during a conversation about a player they haven’t even signed for Bournemouth yet raises massive red flags for me.
We need to proceed carefully and understand this pyramid nonsense before dipping our toes.
I’ve took a while to digest this guy’s credentials as an investor and I understand we know very little of what it entails.
We really need the hibs voices inside that boardroom to start helping the supporters understand the ethos, and direction the club is going.
We need a management team to put a winning formula on the park and we seem to be signing no defensive players of considerable ability ,preventing goals is as important as scoring and for seasons now our club has evaded being shrewd in that department despite having 3-4 managers and a sporting director in recent seasons.
I don’t want to sound doom and gloom I just feel we need to be vigilant, as we the supporters are the long term. owners and investors are fleeting moments the history of any football club and subject to our scrutiny.
On the Lorient thing. Surely the investment was still there and it’s up to the management there to make it work? To me it shows a reluctance to meddle on a micro basis.

[GreenPJ]

Foley owns Bournemouth and loans could be sorted despite the wait for ratification. I’d like to say this guy will be good for hibs but I just don’t like early signs. Lorient are in a bit of a tailspin and he’s talking about recalling their talisman from his loan at them,I watched a cherries podcast to gain an insight and they had a lorient fan on. They clearly aren’t impressed and could potentially go down.
We need to be solid in our understanding of what foleys involvement means for the club before accepting his cash injection.
Whilst it might be someone to tap into hibs potential it could also be a massive faux pas the like we’ve seen before. If it goes wrong could set us back years from our rivals. I also feel mentioning hibs during a conversation about a player they haven’t even signed for Bournemouth yet raises massive red flags for me.
We need to proceed carefully and understand this pyramid nonsense before dipping our toes.
I’ve took a while to digest this guy’s credentials as an investor and I understand we know very little of what it entails.
We really need the hibs voices inside that boardroom to start helping the supporters understand the ethos, and direction the club is going.
We need a management team to put a winning formula on the park and we seem to be signing no defensive players of considerable ability ,preventing goals is as important as scoring and for seasons now our club has evaded being shrewd in that department despite having 3-4 managers and a sporting director in recent seasons.
I don’t want to sound doom and gloom I just feel we need to be vigilant, as we the supporters are the long term. owners and investors are fleeting moments the history of any football club and subject to our scrutiny.

You want him to loan money before regulatory approval has been given and then you have concerns about the governance of the multi-club/pyramid approach.

[Hibbyradge]

We need to proceed carefully and understand this pyramid nonsense before dipping our toes.

You don't understand it, but it's nonsense?

[jacomo]

You don't understand it, but it's nonsense?


It’s fair comment: why don’t the fans get to hear what the plan is? Full transparency.

And a cheeky loan deal as an early sign of goodwill would be nice… if the deal falls through, then at worst they can have the player back in the summer and forget the whole thing.

Like Ron Gordon, I’d hope any investor in Hibs would be grateful for the opportunity and full of enthusiasm about the future.

[matty_f]

It’s fair comment: why don’t the fans get to hear what the plan is? Full transparency.

And a cheeky loan deal as an early sign of goodwill would be nice… if the deal falls through, then at worst they can have the player back in the summer and forget the whole thing.

Like Ron Gordon, I’d hope any investor in Hibs would be grateful for the opportunity and full of enthusiasm about the future.

I take your point, and as a shareholder I would like to hear more about what's going on and what the plans are, but at the same time, Foley hasn't really kept anything secret with what his intentions are - the information is out there for anyone that wants to know.

It can be summarised as him a)wanting Hibs to be regularly competing in Europe by securing the third spot in Scottish football, b) supporting through finance and resources to do that, and c) using Hibs to develop players towards playing in the EPL for Bournemouth.

On the last point, he spoke recently about a South American player that Bournemouth were close to signing that he would want to loan to Australia (Auckland) or/then Scotland (Hibs) or/then Lorient, so that Bournemouth had a player ready to play at around 24 years old.

I don't think the reality will be much different from that, there is clearly going to be investment in infrastructure (stadium and training centre upgrades) which has also been reported.

The information is out there straight from the horse's mouth, it's not like there's no transparency around it. Foley's been talking about it for months.

[Ship of Hope]

Whilst as fans we tend to be impatient for everything to happen in the blink of an eye the club needs to be seen to respect the process. We do not want to give SFA any reason to delay further the ratification of the Foley investment. Getting financial or player loans before everything is agreed would possibly serve to muddy the waters. At the end of the day if we have to wait till summer to get players in that will makes us scotlands 3rd force then so be it. I’ve been waiting 50years so far.

[tonyrougier123]

You don't understand it, but it's nonsense?

I mean broadly understand not singularly as in myself. Every pyramid enterprise will have a different approach as to how it’s funded and how each team benefits or in some cases doesn’t benefit at all.

Someone’s paying naw? Or is that just me that thinks a billionaire isn’t doing this for a wee jaunt to Edinburgh every now and then.

My understanding is for everyone to succeed on a pyramid it has to be doing well and one of the teams I’d assume are above us on this pyramid is already in soapy bubble.
Not a very good footing.
Look I said I didn’t want to be a damp squib,it’s exciting yes but I’m suggesting caution.
Or am I a dafty here?

[tonyrougier123]

On the Lorient thing. Surely the investment was still there and it’s up to the management there to make it work? To me it shows a reluctance to meddle on a micro basis.

It’s totally valid what you’re saying, I suggest you watch the cherries podcast and listen to the young supporters point of view. Might give a few food for thought.
People a lot smarter than me could gather more from what he’s saying.

[matty_f]

It’s totally valid what you’re saying, I suggest you watch the cherries podcast and listen to the young supporters point of view. Might give a few food for thought.
People a lot smarter than me could gather more from what he’s saying.

Is that available on YouTube, or would you have a link to that please?

[tonyrougier123]

Is that available on YouTube, or would you have a link to that please?

UTCIAD on YouTube Matty.

The episode is called fc lorient foley,fery,faivre and fury.
I tried to link it but didn’t work man.

[matty_f]

UTCIAD on YouTube Matty.

The episode is called fc lorient foley,fery,faivre and fury.
I tried to link it but didn’t work man.

Thanks, I'll have a listen!

[matty_f]

Not all the way through it and it's interesting to get the young lad's perspective.

I think there's a key difference between how Lorient and Hibs will be affected by a multi club model, and that is to say that if you take the lad's point that Lorient lose their best players to Bournemouth while getting players not at that level in return as valid (which I think it is), then it perhaps has a bigger impact on Lorient than it would on Hibs.

Lorient may have one or two players that could go today into Bournemouth's team, for example the boy that Bornemouth bought then immediately loaned to Lorient.

That would be a bum deal for Lorient, clearly, but for Hibs? We neither produce nor buy players at that level on anywhere near a frequent basis, and the ones we do (McGinn, Doig) we sell anyway.

I'm finding it hard to see where the negative impact on us is? We will get players that are financially out of reach, and we will know our time with them is limited. We knew that with McGinn, we knew it with Doig, with Porteous, with Nisbet etc.

Us getting players on their way to the EPL is a step up in quality from where we, and most Scottish teams, are today.

[MacBean]

I mean broadly understand not singularly as in myself. Every pyramid enterprise will have a different approach as to how it’s funded and how each team benefits or in some cases doesn’t benefit at all.

Someone’s paying naw? Or is that just me that thinks a billionaire isn’t doing this for a wee jaunt to Edinburgh every now and then.

My understanding is for everyone to succeed on a pyramid it has to be doing well and one of the teams I’d assume are above us on this pyramid is already in soapy bubble.
Not a very good footing.
Look I said I didn’t want to be a damp squib,it’s exciting yes but I’m suggesting caution.
Or am I a dafty here?

You say Lorient are in a soapy bubble but their league position isn’t much worse/different than pre-foley

EDIT: I mean this from a “it’s hardly a fall from grace / Foleys fault perspective”.


Yes last season they finished 10th, but that’s a one off “high” by their standards. Prior to that they’d been; 16th, 16th, L2 winners, 6th in L2, 7th in L2, 18th and relegated, 15th.

[Dmas]

Not all the way through it and it's interesting to get the young lad's perspective.

I think there's a key difference between how Lorient and Hibs will be affected by a multi club model, and that is to say that if you take the lad's point that Lorient lose their best players to Bournemouth while getting players not at that level in return as valid (which I think it is), then it perhaps has a bigger impact on Lorient than it would on Hibs.

Lorient may have one or two players that could go today into Bournemouth's team, for example the boy that Bornemouth bought then immediately loaned to Lorient.

That would be a bum deal for Lorient, clearly, but for Hibs? We neither produce nor buy players at that level on anywhere near a frequent basis, and the ones we do (McGinn, Doig) we sell anyway.

I'm finding it hard to see where the negative impact on us is? We will get players that are financially out of reach, and we will know our time with them is limited. We knew that with McGinn, we knew it with Doig, with Porteous, with Nisbet etc.

Us getting players on their way to the EPL is a step up in quality from where we, and most Scottish teams, are today.


Lorient moved on 15 players for £60m and signed 20 for £20m, the player Bournemouth signed they have on loan still, I fail to see what it is that Bill Foley has done that's has caused them to be where they are? they recruited poorly to replace good players, he holds a minority stake he wont be telling them who to sign, that's on the staff at that club. you know what its like when the clubs on a downward fans look to blame he's the newest in the door must be him, they aren't big hitters in the league they finished 10th last year which was successful previous 2 years 16th position after spending 3 years in the league below, they've cashed in after a decent year and paying the price

[bingo70]

Lorient moved on 15 players for £60m and signed 20 for £20m, the player Bournemouth signed they have on loan still, I fail to see what it is that Bill Foley has done that's has caused them to be where they are? they recruited poorly to replace good players, he holds a minority stake he wont be telling them who to sign, that's on the staff at that club. you know what its like when the clubs on a downward fans look to blame he's the newest in the door must be him, they aren't big hitters in the league they finished 10th last year which was successful previous 2 years 16th position after spending 3 years in the league below, they've cashed in after a decent year and paying the price

Did him getting involved initially raise their expectations to unrealistic levels and when it’s not materialised they’re pissed off and lashing out at him?

I’ve no idea though, just a theory.

[matty_f]

Did him getting involved initially raise their expectations to unrealistic levels and when it’s not materialised they’re pissed off and lashing out at him?

I’ve no idea though, just a theory.

By the sound of it from this lad on the podcast, they never wanted him from the get go, so expectations never came into it.

[Dmas]

Did him getting involved initially raise their expectations to unrealistic levels and when it’s not materialised they’re pissed off and lashing out at him?

I’ve no idea though, just a theory.

no idea either bingo, I think our expectations will raise once he's involved with us so it could happen, they play in a stronger league than ours though will they be as excited as us for a few decent loans of Bournemouth fringe players? they'd maybe have been hoping for a few signings stopping off at them before the EPL move of course as we also are, other than the recent guy Zambrano I've not seen Bournemouth linked with many players at all so maybe theres been promises broken or a feeling of being misled

[Torto7]

You don't understand it, but it's nonsense?

:faf:

[jacomo]

I take your point, and as a shareholder I would like to hear more about what's going on and what the plans are, but at the same time, Foley hasn't really kept anything secret with what his intentions are - the information is out there for anyone that wants to know.

It can be summarised as him a)wanting Hibs to be regularly competing in Europe by securing the third spot in Scottish football, b) supporting through finance and resources to do that, and c) using Hibs to develop players towards playing in the EPL for Bournemouth.

On the last point, he spoke recently about a South American player that Bournemouth were close to signing that he would want to loan to Australia (Auckland) or/then Scotland (Hibs) or/then Lorient, so that Bournemouth had a player ready to play at around 24 years old.

I don't think the reality will be much different from that, there is clearly going to be investment in infrastructure (stadium and training centre upgrades) which has also been reported.

The information is out there straight from the horse's mouth, it's not like there's no transparency around it. Foley's been talking about it for months.


:aok:

It would be good to hear our own clubs voice on this too.

[greenlex]

Not all the way through it and it's interesting to get the young lad's perspective.

I think there's a key difference between how Lorient and Hibs will be affected by a multi club model, and that is to say that if you take the lad's point that Lorient lose their best players to Bournemouth while getting players not at that level in return as valid (which I think it is), then it perhaps has a bigger impact on Lorient than it would on Hibs.

Lorient may have one or two players that could go today into Bournemouth's team, for example the boy that Bornemouth bought then immediately loaned to Lorient.

That would be a bum deal for Lorient, clearly, but for Hibs? We neither produce nor buy players at that level on anywhere near a frequent basis, and the ones we do (McGinn, Doig) we sell anyway.

I'm finding it hard to see where the negative impact on us is? We will get players that are financially out of reach, and we will know our time with them is limited. We knew that with McGinn, we knew it with Doig, with Porteous, with Nisbet etc.

Us getting players on their way to the EPL is a step up in quality from where we, and most Scottish teams, are today.
The only thing I’m really taking from that podcast is Hibs are a bigger club than both Bournemouth and Lorient. It’s just the leagues we play in dictate the pecking order. Once we’re in control of third place and doing well in Europe thus invited into the inevitable euro leagues we will become the parent club. :greengrin
Cant fault the Lorient boys passion but as you say it’s coming from a negative start and as he only knows one other Lorient fan, and that’s his dad, I’m dismissing him rather condescendingly.

[A Hi-Bee]

I am sure we will hear what we need to hear when the time is right, till then it is all just noise and a few shall we say mischief makers at it, time to step away from your football manager games for a while.
:greengrin:greengrin

[matty_f]

The only thing I’m really taking from that podcast is Hibs are a bigger club than both Bournemouth and Lorient. It’s just the leagues we play in dictate the pecking order. Once we’re in control of third place and doing well in Europe thus invited into the inevitable euro leagues we will become the parent club. :greengrin
Cant fault the Lorient boys passion but as you say it’s coming from a negative start and as he only knows one other Lorient fan, and that’s his dad, I’m dismissing him rather condescendingly.

It's a good point as well, it's not the greatest representation of what the support is thinking.

[tonyrougier123]

It's a good point as well, it's not the greatest representation of what the support is thinking.

Awrite Matty, I tried to upload the ultras post from lorient titled foley out! From the 18th posted to their Twitter X account. If you want to have a look Merlus ultras the page @kopsudFCL1926. Widens the spectrum of discontent by their fans for foleys involvement.

[matty_f]

Awrite Matty, I tried to upload the ultras post from lorient titled foley out! From the 18th posted to their Twitter X account. If you want to have a look Merlus ultras the page @kopsudFCL1926. Widens the spectrum of discontent by their fans for foleys involvement.

Nice one, thanks :aok: I was aware of it from having looked into it a bit myself already.

[gorgie greens]

Awrite Matty, I tried to upload the ultras post from lorient titled foley out! From the 18th posted to their Twitter X account. If you want to have a look Merlus ultras the page @kopsudFCL1926. Widens the spectrum of discontent by their fans for foleys involvement.
Sick of being mediocre, so I welcome his millions at present but need to read the small print first

[VoltaireHibs]

Is it possible that, as quite a lot of fans on here also think, we are going to have a huge summer clear out and that we're keeping our powder dry for then? Logistically it makes sense, easier to source players and move them on. Financially it makes sense, we'll hopefully have Foley's millions. And in terms of the team it makes sense, out with the old, in with the new, a'la Stubbs first summer.

That's the particularly slender straw I am currently grasping.

[Broxburn Greens]

Sick of being mediocre, so I welcome his millions at present but need to read the small print first

This is 100% where I am with this. Always a niggling concern but Hearts got away with it when it went Pete Tong so why not us, besides I’m a bit more confident Foley actually has the cash and isn’t robbing pensioners.

47 this year, seen Hibs win the LC twice and had the greatest day when we won the SC but other than that mediocrity and if I’m honest playing second fiddle to Hearts for most of that time as well.

Why shouldn’t we get a go at the excitement and real chance of multiple cups and group stage European football?

If it goes wrong we’ll deal with it, Hibernian FC will exist for a long time to come regardless.


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[Just Alf]

Is it possible that, as quite a lot of fans on here also think, we are going to have a huge summer clear out and that we're keeping our powder dry for then? Logistically it makes sense, easier to source players and move them on. Financially it makes sense, we'll hopefully have Foley's millions. And in terms of the team it makes sense, out with the old, in with the new, a'la Stubbs first summer.

That's the particularly slender straw I am currently grasping.

My podgey fingers are grasping that same straw!

[greenlex]

My podgey fingers are grasping that same straw!
I thinks it probably correct too. It’ll be loans to see us till then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is it possible that, as quite a lot of fans on here also think, we are going to have a huge summer clear out and that we're keeping our powder dry for then? Logistically it makes sense, easier to source players and move them on. Financially it makes sense, we'll hopefully have Foley's millions. And in terms of the team it makes sense, out with the old, in with the new, a'la Stubbs first summer.

That's the particularly slender straw I am currently grasping.

Absolutely what I expect to happen.

I reckon we’ll have written off third this season so there’s not all that much to gain to an extent. The big prize is probably considered out of reach so we’ll limp through the season and maybe see some excitement come the summer.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Absolutely what I expect to happen.

I reckon we’ll have written off third this season so there’s not all that much to gain to an extent. The big prize is probably considered out of reach so we’ll limp through the season and maybe see some excitement come the summer.

Great, another 4 months of turgid rubbish.