Potential takeover/new investor?

[Hibiza]

I'd posted a while back in this thread some analysis of the performance of Lorient in the last 5-10 years, this season is below their usual standard (quite significantly).

As for us being at the limit of what we can achieve - totally disagree. We're currently wasting a decent chunk (and have done for years) of our playing budget on players who don't contribute to our first team. Bin the current strategy of player trading / moneyball, get back to a lean squad of good quality players and drive up revenue by achieving success on the park and bringing in increased prize monies.

Spot on .

[NAE NOOKIE]

Good to see ‘it’s a ponzi scheme’ gang are alive and well.

To be fair that only applies to a tiny number of posters.

It's not unreasonable to pick this apart and focus on both sides of what might happen, both good and bad .... I have done both on this thread myself. The only real evidence available is how sports clubs this group have a stake in are doing.

On the upside AFC Bournemouth are doing well in a tough league. The groups Ice Hockey team did remarkably well. That is in their favour.

On the downside the only example of how a team who like us will be below Bournemouth in the group's pecking order, FC Lorient, are doing isn't good, and that seems even more concerning when you see the obvious effort being put into Bournemouth ... that goes against them.

It would be handy to get a real life Lorient supporter onto this thread for their view.

The one thing that has no evidence to support it is questioning the integrity of the Gordons or our CEO. Some of their decisions, fair enough, but their intention to do their best for the club seems fairly solid to me.

In the end we never tire of slagging the Jambos over a lack of scepticism when it came to Mad Vlad. It would be ironic indeed if we didn't at least ask uncomfortable questions and consider what the downside of this deal might be.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In the end we never tire of slagging the Jambos over a lack of scepticism when it came to Mad Vlad. It would be ironic indeed if we didn't at least ask uncomfortable questions and consider what the downside of this deal might be.

:agree:

A lot of the ‘I can’t see any potential downside’ type posts are reminding me very much of Hearts fans back then.

We all want this to be a success, but the idea there’s no potential downsides is just silly.

[Hibs90]

That's made up, isn't it. :hilarious

That's how it works is it not?

[Bridge hibs]

I've heard from a friend at the SFA that there has been no objections.

:cbSo how is Wullie Collum keeping ? 😀

[TrinityHFC]

Spot on .

Spot on if you ignore the bit about Lorient being incorrect.

Funny though how this easy it is to say don’t waste the budget, just go and get better players. Just like that. We identify better players, they want to come, no one with more money wants them all, they all settle in, none of them get injured, we finish third then do it all again, each time just getting better players.

Sounds amazing and I’m surprised no one has thought about it.

[TrinityHFC]

:agree:

A lot of the ‘I can’t see any potential downside’ type posts are reminding me very much of Hearts fans back then.

We all want this to be a success, but the idea there’s no potential downsides is just silly.

I don’t think anyone is saying that. I think what people are doing is looking at how we think it could work and the assessing what bad things could happen, compared to where we are now.

I still haven’t heard a lot of thought out downside scenarios that are worse than the current situation but of course, those should be thought about.

[Hibbyradge]

That's how it works is it not?

I think that only applies if you're ITK.

[James Stephen]

:agree:

A lot of the ‘I can’t see any potential downside’ type posts are reminding me very much of Hearts fans back then.

We all want this to be a success, but the idea there’s no potential downsides is just silly.

I think - as with Romanov at Hearts (and Mercer before him) and Hibs pre Farmer owners, this is undoubtedly a gamble.

There is as much chance of Foley and Pals being rubbish owners as being good owners.

What I think is unlikely is that they will be malign owners - one of the upsides of billionaires getting into fitba is the old spiv 'local businessmen' are pushed out. I just don't see US billionaires farting about with Hibs to make a few million, would seem not worth their while.

I can totally see why any Scottish fans would be excited by anything that breaks the monotony of Scottish fitba, but equally its valid to question motives etc.

Personally, I never understood why the Gordon's got involved, and I still think its remarkable how little criticism there is of the fact that the guy in charge of Hibs has about 4 years experience, and his only major qualification for the job in the first place was that his Dad was rich.

I also think it's sad fitba had come to this, but clubs sold their souls years ago, this is just a logical progression of money in fitba.

[Rumble de Thump]

I think - as with Romanov at Hearts (and Mercer before him) and Hibs pre Farmer owners, this is undoubtedly a gamble.

There is as much chance of Foley and Pals being rubbish owners as being good owners.

What I think is unlikely is that they will be malign owners - one of the upsides of billionaires getting into fitba is the old spiv 'local businessmen' are pushed out.

I can totally see why any Scottish fans would be excited by anything that breaks the monotony of Scottish fitba, but equally its valid to question motives etc.

Personally, I never understood why the Gordon's got involved, and I still think its remarkable how little criticism there is of the fact that the guy in charge of Hibs has about 4 years experience, and his only major qualification for the job in the first place was that his Dad was rich.

I also think it's sad fitba had come to this, but clubs sold their souls years ago, this is just a logical progression of money in fitba.

Black Knight won't be the owner. Ron Gordon was clear from the start what his motive was. Foley has also been clear.

[James Stephen]

Black Knight won't be the owner. Ron Gordon was clear from the start what his motive was. Foley has also been clear.

I'm not sure I believe that, medium term.

And Gordon wasn't clear, and his actions subsequently made it less clear.

[ancient hibee]

To be fair that only applies to a tiny number of posters.

It's not unreasonable to pick this apart and focus on both sides of what might happen, both good and bad .... I have done both on this thread myself. The only real evidence available is how sports clubs this group have a stake in are doing.

On the upside AFC Bournemouth are doing well in a tough league. The groups Ice Hockey team did remarkably well. That is in their favour.

On the downside the only example of how a team who like us will be below Bournemouth in the group's pecking order, FC Lorient, are doing isn't good, and that seems even more concerning when you see the obvious effort being put into Bournemouth ... that goes against them.

It would be handy to get a real life Lorient supporter onto this thread for their view.

The one thing that has no evidence to support it is questioning the integrity of the Gordons or our CEO. Some of their decisions, fair enough, but their intention to do their best for the club seems fairly solid to me.

In the end we never tire of slagging the Jambos over a lack of scepticism when it came to Mad Vlad. It would be ironic indeed if we didn't at least ask uncomfortable questions and consider what the downside of this deal might be.

Bit difficult to pick something apart when nobody on here knows what is proposed or what the Gordon’s will agree to .

[SickBoy32]

Is it that below their usual standard really? Looks like 3 finishes of 8th, 8th and 10th since 2012/13 but those aside they’ve been floating about the bottom of the league and spent a few seasons in Ligue 2. Doesn’t look like there’s been any immediate improvement in them since Foley arrived though.

Their average points per game in Ligue 1 (since 2014, so a decent enough sample size) is 1.2

However, this season they are averaging 0.7 PPG - a 49% reduction in their PPG would appear to me to be significantly below their 'usual standard'

Not a great endorsement for the group structure IMO, and that's before we start thinking about Foley being 79, and Bournemouth punching above their weight currently (how long are they realistically going to survive in the EPL / are there any examples of a club of their stature establishing themselves long term in the top flight?)

[Hibees1973]

Good reading over the last few pages.

My posts are not to seek attention. But i think all of us agree however, it is good to get a response to your own post, whether it is negative or positive. That's the point of this forum. I'm big enough to take what has been said.

If I really wanted to seek attention there are numerous better places of doing this, other than from a few hairy hibbies on hibs.net

Yes, I don't trust Ian Gordon or Ben Kensall to bring success to Hibs. I do think they intend well, but Duff & Gray were the same and see where that ended up. I don't feel Ian Gordon or Ben Kensall have the necessary football experience or credentials to broker a deal like this. Ian got into Hibs through his fathers money and holds the power at Hibs now, so he can do what he likes. Maybe they are getting advice that this is the best way forward for Hibs, but ultimately it's going to be Ian Gordon's call. I don't wish any will against either of these guys.

As others have said the game has changed. Bournemouth have income and pay salaries which dwarf Hibs. For 140 years we could have classed ourselves as bigger the Bournemouth, but no longer. This is probably a good example of how much the game has changed and I get that.

This doesn't detract from that fact that we could have millions of pounds at our disposal and will likely get promises and expectations set by Ian & Ben if the deal is done. Maybe we will have a better side, better facilities and have more success. Who know's. I've probably only got around 10 years left of watching Hibs and it would give me great pleasure to watch an attacking, successful side.

I just get bad vibes regarding this deal, but will be delighted if proven wrong.

[TrinityHFC]

Good reading over the last few pages.

My posts are not to seek attention. But i think all of us agree however, it is good to get a response to your own post, whether it is negative or positive. That's the point of this forum. I'm big enough to take what has been said.

If I really wanted to seek attention there are numerous better places of doing this, other than from a few hairy hibbies on hibs.net

Yes, I don't trust Ian Gordon or Ben Kensall to bring success to Hibs. I do think they intend well, but Duff & Gray were the same and see where that ended up. I don't feel Ian Gordon or Ben Kensall have the necessary football experience or credentials to broker a deal like this. Ian got into Hibs through his fathers money and holds the power at Hibs now, so he can do what he likes. Maybe they are getting advice that this is the best way forward for Hibs, but ultimately it's going to be Ian Gordon's call. I don't wish any will against either of these guys.

As others have said the game has changed. Bournemouth have income and pay salaries which dwarf Hibs. For 140 years we could have classed ourselves as bigger the Bournemouth, but no longer. This is probably a good example of how much the game has changed and I get that.

This doesn't detract from that fact that we could have millions of pounds at our disposal and will likely get promises and expectations set by Ian & Ben if the deal is done. Maybe we will have a better side, better facilities and have more success. Who know's. I've probably only got around 10 years left of watching Hibs and it would give me great pleasure to watch an attacking, successful side.

I just get bad vibes regarding this deal, but will be delighted if proven wrong.

BK doesn’t have football experience? He’s been working in football operations roles for nearly 18 years.

[Brightside]

BK doesn’t have football experience? He’s been working in football operations roles for nearly 18 years.

But apart from that 😂

[HoboHarry]

BK doesn’t have football experience? He’s been working in football operations roles for nearly 18 years.
Longest serving rookie ever then :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

BK doesn’t have football experience? He’s been working in football operations roles for nearly 18 years.

Was he not part of the commercial team in all his previous roles at Arsenal, Charlton (I think it was them anyway) and Norwich? It’s not quite the same as being involved in the on pitch football stuff - signing players, contract negotiations etc. In fact it’s likely a million miles from it, and I’m not sure it would be classed as ‘football operations’. It’s more about increasing revenue by maximising the value of the hospitality, sure there was stuff mentioned about him managing to attract concerts etc to Norwich which was one of his big successes.

He’s only done any ‘football operations’ in his role at Hibs.

[Spike Mandela]

At the moment no it doesn't. But if it transpires later on down the line that we gain nothing from this partnership and AFC Bournemouth are going from strength to strength and little or nothing happens to improve our situation then it starts to enter the same ball park. Whether true or not, the perception will be that Hibs don't matter so long as AFC Bournemouth are doing well.

EG ... Currently FC Lorient occupy 17th place in an 18 team league:

P ...... 17
W ......2
D....... 6
L .......9
G for .... 21
G against 35

Knocked out of the French cup at home in the round of 16 by Lens.

That might not be something you can fully lay at the door of their tie in with the Black Knights group .... but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for it either, is it?

Throwing money at a football club is never a guarantee of success. Just ask Ben.E. factor at our gorgie chums.

However, I am hoping that the foundations laid at Hibs in both the footballing management structure, the team and the facilities are a basis for optimism that with decent investment and the added experience of the Foley group Hibs fortunes could be improved in league placings going forward.

As I say nothing is guaranteed in football but I’ve been saying for years we are ripe for investment and hopefully more exciting seasons and more regular European football is acheivable.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’m in the we have nothing to lose camp. Without it we at best stand still. With it………………….

Agreed.

Add in the fact there is absolutely hee-haw any of can do about it and I don't see the point in worrying or expressing your concern. It means nowt.

If it all goes wrong, and we end up like Hearts or Rangers, so what? Didn't do them much harm in the long run anyways.

I don't mind if folk call us The Hibs in future.

[TrinityHFC]

Was he not part of the commercial team in all his previous roles at Arsenal, Charlton (I think it was them anyway) and Norwich? It’s not quite the same as being involved in the on pitch football stuff - signing players, contract negotiations etc. In fact it’s likely a million miles from it, and I’m not sure it would be classed as ‘football operations’. It’s more about increasing revenue by maximising the value of the hospitality, sure there was stuff mentioned about him managing to attract concerts etc to Norwich which was one of his big successes.

He’s only done any ‘football operations’ in his role at Hibs.

It is all football - no one is suggesting he has coaching experience - we are taking about actually running all aspects of a football club.

6 years at Arsenal in commercial operations.
Nearly 2 years at Charlton as Chief Commercial Officer.
Nearly 7 years at Norwich including 3 years as Chief Operating Officer.
2 1/2 years as Hibs CEO.

I think he knows his way around running a football club and negotiating commercial arrangements for football clubs.

[RMQ1967]

I think - as with Romanov at Hearts (and Mercer before him) and Hibs pre Farmer owners, this is undoubtedly a gamble.

There is as much chance of Foley and Pals being rubbish owners as being good owners.

What I think is unlikely is that they will be malign owners - one of the upsides of billionaires getting into fitba is the old spiv 'local businessmen' are pushed out. I just don't see US billionaires farting about with Hibs to make a few million, would seem not worth their while.

I can totally see why any Scottish fans would be excited by anything that breaks the monotony of Scottish fitba, but equally its valid to question motives etc.

Personally, I never understood why the Gordon's got involved, and I still think its remarkable how little criticism there is of the fact that the guy in charge of Hibs has about 4 years experience, and his only major qualification for the job in the first place was that his Dad was rich.

I also think it's sad fitba had come to this, but clubs sold their souls years ago, this is just a logical progression of money in fitba.

Why is it so difficult to understand that successful entrepreneurs enjoy the thrill of building businesses and making things better? Just a nonsense comment - why did does anyone get involved in a football club - generally not to make money - did David Murray, Roman Abramovich, the Glaziers make any money?? The get involved for building something successful, the thrill of sport - for enjoying the atmosphere and hopefully winning things along the way.

The comment regarding criticism of Ian Gordon is deplorable IMHO, himself and his family have developed the club to the point where billionaires want to invest and hopefully bring financial clout that most clubs could only dream of.

Would you prefer that the Gordons had invested their money and personal lives in Dundee or Hearts or Aberdeen & it was one of them that were now looking at 10's of millions of investment?

[James Stephen]

Why is it so difficult to understand that successful entrepreneurs enjoy the thrill of building businesses and making things better? Just a nonsense comment - why did does anyone get involved in a football club - generally not to make money - did David Murray, Roman Abramovich, the Glaziers make any money?? The get involved for building something successful, the thrill of sport - for enjoying the atmosphere and hopefully winning things along the way.

The comment regarding criticism of Ian Gordon is deplorable IMHO, himself and his family have developed the club to the point where billionaires want to invest and hopefully bring financial clout that most clubs could only dream of.

Would you prefer that the Gordons had invested their money and personal lives in Dundee or Hearts or Aberdeen & it was one of them that were now looking at 10's of millions of investment?

With the examples you've given, especially Abramovich and Glazers (and yes, the Glazers have made 10s of millions owning Man Utd, not including their enormous capital gain), I'm unsure if you are being satirical?

Deplorable?! Behave yourself. Its a legitimate question.

Tell me, why do you think IG got his job as head of recruitment and now de facto boss?

[Paulie Walnuts]

It is all football - no one is suggesting he has coaching experience - we are taking about actually running all aspects of a football club.

6 years at Arsenal in commercial operations.
Nearly 2 years at Charlton as Chief Commercial Officer.
Nearly 7 years at Norwich including 3 years as Chief Operating Officer.
2 1/2 years as Hibs CEO.

I think he knows his way around running a football club and negotiating commercial arrangements for football clubs.

It’s not ‘all football’. If you work in the mailroom at RBS it’s not ‘all banking’, or in the call centre at a big tech firm it’s not ‘all tech’.

If your job is commercial stuff then it’s a completely different environment to the football side of things.

He’s done that side of things since he came into Hibs. He doesn’t have 18 years of football operations experience, he has 18 years of commercial experience at a football club with a few years experience of the football operations side of things at Hibs. They’re two very different things.

[WhileTheChief..]

It is all football - no one is suggesting he has coaching experience - we are taking about actually running all aspects of a football club.

6 years at Arsenal in commercial operations.
Nearly 2 years at Charlton as Chief Commercial Officer.
Nearly 7 years at Norwich including 3 years as Chief Operating Officer.
2 1/2 years as Hibs CEO.

I think he knows his way around running a football club and negotiating commercial arrangements for football clubs.

Yet we screwed up Rocky's signing and played an ineligible player in the league cup :duck:

[MKHIBEE]

Why is it so difficult to understand that successful entrepreneurs enjoy the thrill of building businesses and making things better? Just a nonsense comment - why did does anyone get involved in a football club - generally not to make money - did David Murray, Roman Abramovich, the Glaziers make any money?? The get involved for building something successful, the thrill of sport - for enjoying the atmosphere and hopefully winning things along the way.

The comment regarding criticism of Ian Gordon is deplorable IMHO, himself and his family have developed the club to the point where billionaires want to invest and hopefully bring financial clout that most clubs could only dream of.

Would you prefer that the Gordons had invested their money and personal lives in Dundee or Hearts or Aberdeen & it was one of them that were now looking at 10's of millions of investment?
They will when they sell up if they haven’t already. That’s the only reason they got involved

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why is it so difficult to understand that successful entrepreneurs enjoy the thrill of building businesses and making things better? Just a nonsense comment - why did does anyone get involved in a football club - generally not to make money - did David Murray, Roman Abramovich, the Glaziers make any money?? The get involved for building something successful, the thrill of sport - for enjoying the atmosphere and hopefully winning things along the way.

The comment regarding criticism of Ian Gordon is deplorable IMHO, himself and his family have developed the club to the point where billionaires want to invest and hopefully bring financial clout that most clubs could only dream of.

Would you prefer that the Gordons had invested their money and personal lives in Dundee or Hearts or Aberdeen & it was one of them that were now looking at 10's of millions of investment?

Making money is pretty much the only reason the Glaziers got involved. Infact it’s why they’re absolutely despised by Man Utd fans. They essentially bought the club for themselves using Man Utd’s money and have taken huge amounts of money out the club and now stand to make billions of pounds of profit from it. It almost beggars belief that what they’ve done is legal such was their determination to make money from it.

[Lago]

I think - as with Romanov at Hearts (and Mercer before him) and Hibs pre Farmer owners, this is undoubtedly a gamble.

There is as much chance of Foley and Pals being rubbish owners as being good owners.

What I think is unlikely is that they will be malign owners - one of the upsides of billionaires getting into fitba is the old spiv 'local businessmen' are pushed out. I just don't see US billionaires farting about with Hibs to make a few million, would seem not worth their while.

I can totally see why any Scottish fans would be excited by anything that breaks the monotony of Scottish fitba, but equally its valid to question motives etc.

Personally, I never understood why the Gordon's got involved, and I still think its remarkable how little criticism there is of the fact that the guy in charge of Hibs has about 4 years experience, and his only major qualification for the job in the first place was that his Dad was rich.

I also think it's sad fitba had come to this, but clubs sold their souls years ago, this is just a logical progression of money in fitba.
Where/who has said Foley and Pals will be owners, your just making stuff up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Where/who has said Foley and Pals will be owners, your just making stuff up.

What? :confused:

Have you completely missed the fact they’re looking to buy a stake, and therefore own, part of the club? :confused:

[Lago]

What? :confused:

Have you completely missed the fact they’re looking to buy a stake, and therefore own, part of the club? :confused:
Minority is the word your searching for, but don't want to find obviously :agree:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Minority is the word your searching for, but don't want to find obviously :agree:

So minority… owners?

[Lago]

So minority… owners?
Minority shareholders is the way it's been described, no?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Minority shareholders is the way it's been described, no?

A shareholder owns part of a company. When they become shareholders, they’ll become owners of the company. The Gordon’s will also be owners.

[CropleyWasGod]

Agreed.

Add in the fact there is absolutely hee-haw any of can do about it and I don't see the point in worrying or expressing your concern. It means nowt.

If it all goes wrong, and we end up like Hearts or Rangers, so what? Didn't do them much harm in the long run anyways.

I don't mind if folk call us The Hibs in future.

We already are The Hibernian Football Club, so we're ready :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Minority shareholders is the way it's been described, no?


A shareholder owns part of a company.

To be really pedantic, if BF is buying 25% of the club as it stands, everyone will be a minority shareholder. :cb

[TrinityHFC]

It’s not ‘all football’. If you work in the mailroom at RBS it’s not ‘all banking’, or in the call centre at a big tech firm it’s not ‘all tech’.

If your job is commercial stuff then it’s a completely different environment to the football side of things.

He’s done that side of things since he came into Hibs. He doesn’t have 18 years of football operations experience, he has 18 years of commercial experience at a football club with a few years experience of the football operations side of things at Hibs. They’re two very different things.

Okay then.

[scoopyboy]

A shareholder owns part of a company. When they become shareholders, they’ll become owners of the company. The Gordon’s will also be owners.

I've never thought of myself as an owner of Hibs:greengrin

[TrinityHFC]

A shareholder owns part of a company. When they become shareholders, they’ll become owners of the company. The Gordon’s will also be owners.

Generally the term use would be minority shareholder. The shareholder owns shares in the company. Technically, yes, all shareholders own a part of the company but talking about the 'owners' would commonly be assumed to be referring to who has the control of the company.

[HoboHarry]

I've never thought of myself as an owner of Hibs:greengrin
Daughter got me one of those daft land ownership deals for Christmas. It's in Fife somewhere and apparently I'm a Lord now- Lord Hobo Harry does have a nice ring to it :greengrin

[Lago]

I've never thought of myself as an owner of Hibs:greengrin
There you go, you are in illustrious company, but have you run it past Stubbsy90+2 for his approval :greengrin

[Lago]

Daughter got me one of those daft land ownership deals for Christmas. It's in Fife somewhere and apparently I'm a Lord now- Lord Hobo Harry does have a nice ring to it :greengrin
Come the revolution your out mate :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

Come the revolution your out mate :greengrin
I'll enjoy it in the meantime - until that day all .netters are my serfs :greengrin

[WillowbraeHibby]

Come the revolution your out mate :greengrin


:aok:

[WillowbraeHibby]

I'll enjoy it in the meantime - until that day all .netters are my serfs :greengrin


:not worth

[CapitalGreen]

I've never thought of myself as an owner of Hibs:greengrin

FFS, does this mean we get blamed when Hibs aren’t doing well?

[CropleyWasGod]

Generally the term use would be minority shareholder. The shareholder owns shares in the company. Technically, yes, all shareholders own a part of the company but talking about the 'owners' would commonly be assumed to be referring to who has the control of the company.

If BF is buying 25% from the Gordons, they will be minority shareholders too, no? They will still be the largest shareholders, but won't have control.

[RMQ1967]

With the examples you've given, especially Abramovich and Glazers (and yes, the Glazers have made 10s of millions owning Man Utd, not including their enormous capital gain), I'm unsure if you are being satirical?

Deplorable?! Behave yourself. Its a legitimate question.

Tell me, why do you think IG got his job as head of recruitment and now de facto boss?

If you think Abramovich walked away with anything other than around a billion loss from Chelsea it's you that's being satirical.

It is absolutely deplorable - Hibs have never been in better financial health & the club infrastructure has never been better in my lifetime and you want see him criticised for the position we're in :rolleyes:

Most people couldn't care less how he got the job it & neither should anyone else if he's doing his job well, developing the club and attracting billionaire investors. Makes you sound bitter that someone else has had good fortune and is making a success of themselves to be honest.

[Bridge hibs]

I've never thought of myself as an owner of Hibs:greengrin

Do my HSL shares count too ? 😀

[WhileTheChief..]

Generally the term use would be minority shareholder. The shareholder owns shares in the company. Technically, yes, all shareholders own a part of the company but talking about the 'owners' would commonly be assumed to be referring to who has the control of the company.

At the same time, HSL would say they own part of the club, even though they are minority shareholders.

Seems like a pointless argument. As far as everyone is concerned, Foley and the Back Knights will own a chunk of Hibs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Generally the term use would be minority shareholder. The shareholder owns shares in the company. Technically, yes, all shareholders own a part of the company but talking about the 'owners' would commonly be assumed to be referring to who has the control of the company.

As it stands, every single shareholder will be a minority shareholder. No one person will have majority control of Hibs if Foley buys the quarter of the club he’s after unless more shares are issued.

[James Stephen]

If you think Abramovich walked away with anything other than around a billion loss from Chelsea it's you that's being satirical.

It is absolutely deplorable - Hibs have never been in better financial health & the club infrastructure has never been better in my lifetime and you want see him criticised for the position we're in :rolleyes:

Most people couldn't care less how he got the job it & neither should anyone else if he's doing his job well, developing the club and attracting billionaire investors. Makes you sound bitter that someone else has had good fortune and is making a success of themselves to be honest.

Yeah sure, Abramovich was definitely in it for Chelsea's benefit.

I'm not sure what success IG has had, other than having a rich dad?

Off field I agree Hibs are in a good place. On field, it's been a downward spiral under the Gordons, with a strategy clearly aimed more at selling young players, than actually being successful on the pitch.

If you think differently, that's fair enough

[Paulie Walnuts]

At the same time, HSL would say they own part of the club, even though they are minority shareholders.

Seems like a pointless argument. As far as everyone is concerned, Foley and the Back Knights will own a chunk of Hibs.

:agree:

And therefore the idea that James Stephen is ‘making stuff up’ as was suggested is blatantly untrue.

[TrinityHFC]

Do my HSL shares count too ? ��

No, you are a member only of HSL. They own a bit of Hibs.

[greenlex]

Yeah sure, Abramovich was definitely in it for Chelsea's benefit.

I'm not sure what success IG has had, other than having a rich dad?

Off field I agree Hibs are in a good place. On field, it's been a downward spiral under the Gordons, with a strategy clearly aimed more at selling young players, than actually being successful on the pitch.

If you think differently, that's fair enough
A strategy that was ditched quickly as they went too far too soon.

[Aldo]

Yeah sure, Abramovich was definitely in it for Chelsea's benefit.

I'm not sure what success IG has had, other than having a rich dad?

Off field I agree Hibs are in a good place. On field, it's been a downward spiral under the Gordons, with a strategy clearly aimed more at selling young players, than actually being successful on the pitch.

If you think differently, that's fair enough

Selling a young player has been a partial success…… £1 million plus for Melkersen?

[Hibs4185]

Is it just me or is there a sniff of yam about this thread or is yheee just a few genuinely concerned hibees?

[Not In The Know]

Is it just me or is there a sniff of yam about this thread or is yheee just a few genuinely concerned hibees?

I am beginning to think the same. Check the car park for Rovers...

[RMQ1967]

Yeah sure, Abramovich was definitely in it for Chelsea's benefit.

I'm not sure what success IG has had, other than having a rich dad?

Off field I agree Hibs are in a good place. On field, it's been a downward spiral under the Gordons, with a strategy clearly aimed more at selling young players, than actually being successful on the pitch.

If you think differently, that's fair enough

Outside of Hibs I'm not sure either but you have to say he's part of a team who have manoeuvred Hibs into a good position. Can't disagree about the playing side but that's not something anyone has control over - injuries, suspensions, poor player decisions, poor refereeing decisions bad coaching, bad luck etc. etc. all feed into the success on the pitch.

What he can do is help to bring in investment that will make a huge difference on the playing front - higher quality players and a bigger pool of them will have a huge impact on on the chances of on field success.

[CapitalGreen]

As it stands, every single shareholder will be a minority shareholder. No one person will have majority control of Hibs if Foley buys the quarter of the club he’s after unless more shares are issued.

Has the % Foley is buying been confirmed anywhere?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Outside of Hibs I'm not sure either but you have to say he's part of a team who have manoeuvred Hibs into a good position. Can't disagree about the playing side but that's not something anyone has control over - injuries, suspensions, poor player decisions, poor refereeing decisions bad coaching, bad luck etc. etc. all feed into the success on the pitch.

What he can do is help to bring in investment that will make a huge difference on the playing front - higher quality players and a bigger pool of them will have a huge impact on on the chances of on field success.

:confused:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Has the % Foley is buying been confirmed anywhere?

The general consensus is that it’s 24.9%. Until the sale goes through nobody will know.

[Caversham Green]

If BF is buying 25% from the Gordons, they will be minority shareholders too, no? They will still be the largest shareholders, but won't have control.

That creates an interesting structure.

It seems likely that the (apostrophe-free) Gordons and Foley will work together but in the event of a dispute between the two either HSL, the 10% guy or the general shareholders will hold a balance of power depending on which way each person/body chooses to vote.

[CropleyWasGod]

That creates an interesting structure.

It seems likely that the (apostrophe-free) Gordons and Foley will work together but in the event of a dispute between the two either HSL, the 10% guy or the general shareholders will hold a balance of power depending on which way each person/body chooses to vote.

Yeah, agreed.

It's that kind of scenario that makes me think there might be new shares. (although those ITK seem to think there won't be).

Increasing the shares by 33% (with Foley buying them all) will give Foley his 24.9%, maintain the Gordons at just over 50%, and give the club a nice wee cash injection.

I know you mentioned the possibility of preference shares, or maybe "A" shares? That might achieve everyone's aims.

[worcesterhibby]

It’s not ‘all football’. If you work in the mailroom at RBS it’s not ‘all banking’, or in the call centre at a big tech firm it’s not ‘all tech’.

If your job is commercial stuff then it’s a completely different environment to the football side of things.

He’s done that side of things since he came into Hibs. He doesn’t have 18 years of football operations experience, he has 18 years of commercial experience at a football club with a few years experience of the football operations side of things at Hibs. They’re two very different things.

He was CEO of Norwich for 3 years.

[chippy]

He was CEO of Norwich for 3 years.

Think he was COO. Chief operating officer -

[Hibbyradge]

Longest serving rookie ever then :greengrin

Lewis Stevenson has that title.

[007]

Think he was COO. Chief operating officer -

Correct.

[TrinityHFC]

That creates an interesting structure.

It seems likely that the (apostrophe-free) Gordons and Foley will work together but in the event of a dispute between the two either HSL, the 10% guy or the general shareholders will hold a balance of power depending on which way each person/body chooses to vote.

Yeah but virtually nothing except routine business is done by shareholders voting. We will agree a board and an exec team and they will get on with running the business.

[Hibbyradge]

A shareholder owns part of a company. When they become shareholders, they’ll become owners of the company. The Gordon’s will also be owners.

So I own Hibs too?

[Caversham Green]

Yeah, agreed.

It's that kind of scenario that makes me think there might be new shares. (although those ITK seem to think there won't be).

Increasing the shares by 33% (with Foley buying them all) will give Foley his 24.9%, maintain the Gordons at just over 50%, and give the club a nice wee cash injection.

I know you mentioned the possibility of preference shares, or maybe "A" shares? That might achieve everyone's aims.

As far as I can see the transfer of shares between the Gordons and Foley just doesn't work in terms of getting money into the club - in addition to the voting problems. As you've mentioned previously new equity shares would need a Special Resolution and there's a possibility that wouldn't be passed. Different classes of shares could be the answer - convertible preference shares only kick the SR problem down the road a bit (I think) and wouldn't alter the voting structure for the time being. Class A shares with specified voting rights might be the answer.

I dunno really.

[CropleyWasGod]

As far as I can see the transfer of shares between the Gordons and Foley just doesn't work in terms of getting money into the club - in addition to the voting problems. As you've mentioned previously new equity shares would need a Special Resolution and there's a possibility that wouldn't be passed. Different classes of shares could be the answer - convertible preference shares only kick the SR problem down the road a bit (I think) and wouldn't alter the voting structure for the time being. Class A shares with specified voting rights might be the answer.

I dunno really.

Me neither.:greengrin

I've been sitting on this fence-post so long, I've started to feel very, um, "attached" to it. I may ask it to marry me.

On one side of the fence I see sunlit uplands, on the other side there be dragons.

[Caversham Green]

Yeah but virtually nothing except routine business is done by shareholders voting. We will agree a board and an exec team and they will get on with running the business.

I'd argue the opposite, aside from approving the accounts etc. a shareholders vote would only really be required for major changes to the club. For routine business the board has the implicit authority of the shareholders to act as they see fit.

[Caversham Green]

Me neither.:greengrin

I've been sitting on this fence-post so long, I've started to feel very, um, "attached" to it. I may ask it to marry me.

On one side of the fence I see sunlit uplands, on the other side there be dragons.

I'm on the sunlit uplands side with some reservations that have been outlined in this thread, but then I'm a glass half full kind of guy.

Actually as an auditor I would say the glass is bigger than it needs to be.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So I own Hibs too?

If you are a shareholder then yes, you own Hibs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'd argue the opposite, aside from approving the accounts etc. a shareholders vote would only really be required for major changes to the club. For routine business the board has the implicit authority of the shareholders to act as they see fit.

:agree:

If routine business went to a shareholders vote then nothing would ever get done.

[worcesterhibby]

Me neither.:greengrin

I've been sitting on this fence-post so long, I've started to feel very, um, "attached" to it. I may ask it to marry me.

On one side of the fence I see sunlit uplands, on the other side there be dragons.

To be fair Dragons are more exciting than our performance against St Johnstone

[worcesterhibby]

Think he was COO. Chief operating officer -

For his own safety he should have signed Rowan Vine for Norwich - he couldn't hit a Coo's arse with a Banjo (I'll get my coat) :greengrin

[McD]

Good reading over the last few pages.

My posts are not to seek attention. But i think all of us agree however, it is good to get a response to your own post, whether it is negative or positive. That's the point of this forum. I'm big enough to take what has been said.

If I really wanted to seek attention there are numerous better places of doing this, other than from a few hairy hibbies on hibs.net

Yes, I don't trust Ian Gordon or Ben Kensall to bring success to Hibs. I do think they intend well, but Duff & Gray were the same and see where that ended up. I don't feel Ian Gordon or Ben Kensall have the necessary football experience or credentials to broker a deal like this. Ian got into Hibs through his fathers money and holds the power at Hibs now, so he can do what he likes. Maybe they are getting advice that this is the best way forward for Hibs, but ultimately it's going to be Ian Gordon's call. I don't wish any will against either of these guys.

As others have said the game has changed. Bournemouth have income and pay salaries which dwarf Hibs. For 140 years we could have classed ourselves as bigger the Bournemouth, but no longer. This is probably a good example of how much the game has changed and I get that.

This doesn't detract from that fact that we could have millions of pounds at our disposal and will likely get promises and expectations set by Ian & Ben if the deal is done. Maybe we will have a better side, better facilities and have more success. Who know's. I've probably only got around 10 years left of watching Hibs and it would give me great pleasure to watch an attacking, successful side.

I just get bad vibes regarding this deal, but will be delighted if proven wrong.



You’re shifting the goalposts. You said previously that you don’t think they’re trustworthy. That’s a pretty damning thing to say about someone, and when there really isn’t any evidence to the contrary regarding these people.

Now you’re saying you don’t trust them to bring success to Hibs (not quite the same). That could be said about literally any person in any environment until they prove otherwise. That’s literally the definition of perseverance, to keep going until you succeed, the old adage of Edison didn't fail, he found hundreds of ways not to make a lightbulb. Unless you think Hibs should be courting David Gill to run the club and an as yet unheard of owner who hasn’t annoyed their fans in some way or another.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He was CEO of Norwich for 3 years.

He was Chief Operating Officer. And in his words, that entailed “heading up the non-football side of the business”.

https://www.canaries.co.uk/content/ben-kensell-on-new-structure

Until Kensell came to Hibs he had no experience in the footballing operations of a club.

[TrinityHFC]

I'd argue the opposite, aside from approving the accounts etc. a shareholders vote would only really be required for major changes to the club. For routine business the board has the implicit authority of the shareholders to act as they see fit.

Yes, this is what I was attempting to say too.

[Lago]

At the same time, HSL would say they own part of the club, even though they are minority shareholders.

Seems like a pointless argument. As far as everyone is concerned, Foley and the Back Knights will own a chunk of Hibs.
But not control which some are arguing they will, no doubt they will have influence on decisions but that's the nature of business and Hibs are a business.

[TrinityHFC]

He was Chief Operating Officer. And in his words, that entailed “heading up the non-football side of the business”.

https://www.canaries.co.uk/content/ben-kensell-on-new-structure

Until Kensell came to Hibs he had no experience in the footballing operations of a club.

It is a bit of a worthless point to try and make, particularly when the initial comment was about him not being qualified to negotiate commercial arrangements at a football club.

As COO and part of the executive team he will have gained plenty experience in how a whole football club operates. As he will have in his other roles.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It is a bit of a worthless point to try and make, particularly when the initial comment was about him not being qualified to negotiate commercial arrangements at a football club.

As COO and part of the executive team he will have gained plenty experience in how a whole football club operates. As he will have in his other roles.

Funny how it’s a worthless point to make now yet it was a completely worthwhile point when you started posting the opposite - which from the interview with Ben, completely refutes your view that ‘it’s all football’.

Things don’t just become worthless points because you were wrong about them.

[Lago]

Has there been an alternative to the Gordons /Foley ownership of Hibs, there have been plenty of negativity about the proposals but no alternatives offered, certainly the days of the local benefactor are passed, Tom Hart, Kenny Waugh and Sir Tom Farmer all did their bit but can't see it happening in today's football world.

[TrinityHFC]

Funny how it’s a worthless point to make now yet it was a completely worthwhile point when you started posting the opposite - which from the interview with Ben, completely refutes your view that ‘it’s all football’.

Things don’t just become worthless points because you were wrong about them.

I’m not wrong. His roles have all been within football operations and he is well qualified to be CEO of a football club. He isn’t a manager or a coach but he also needs to have oversight of them in the same way he has oversight over the finance team and HR.

[Since90+2]

Has there been an alternative to the Gordons /Foley ownership of Hibs, there have been plenty of negativity about the proposals but no alternatives offered, certainly the days of the local benefactor are passed, Tom Hart, Kenny Waugh and Sir Tom Farmer all did their bit but can't see it happening in today's football world.

I suppose the argument would be, and I'm not saying it's necessarily one I agree with, would be to keep on the same track and continue to grow the commercial side of the business to bring in more revenue to pass to the footballing side. So far the Gordons and Kensell have been pretty good at that, it's the footballing side that has failed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m not wrong. His roles have all been within football operations and he is well qualified to be CEO of a football club. He isn’t a manager or a coach but he also needs to have oversight of them in the same way he has oversight over the finance team and HR.

Ben Kensell has literally said himself he was heading up the non football side of the business at Norwich. But yes, you’re not wrong, Ben Kensell is wrong and didn’t know what his role was or what area of the business it was even in.

[Lago]

I suppose the argument would be, and I'm not saying it's necessarily one I agree with, would be to keep on the same track and continue to grow the commercial side of the business to bring in more revenue to pass to the footballing side. So far the Gordons and Kensell have been pretty good at that, it's the footballing side that has failed.
The problem with that is you will never really close the gap on others in the league.

[Hibbyradge]

If you are a shareholder then yes, you own Hibs.

Excellent.

[scm70nyd1973]

For his own safety he should have signed Rowan Vine for Norwich - he couldn't hit a Coo's arse with a Banjo (I'll get my coat) :greengrin

Actually he couldn’t hit a coo’s banjo with his own arse either

[Since90+2]

The problem with that is you will never really close the gap on others in the league.

I don't think we will close the gap enough anyway with investment to get 2nd. Financially we'll still be miles behind.

Fwiw I'm supportive of the investment, but there is an alternative there as an option.

[Dashing Bob S]

Football is a money business, which I loathe, but it’s how it is. There are four teams with greater levels of investment. Two way ahead of us and the Foley cash won’t close that gap. Two are marginally ahead of us, and they will (justly) fear this as a major threat to their ambitions.

[TrinityHFC]

Ben Kensell has literally said himself he was heading up the non football side of the business at Norwich. But yes, you’re not wrong, Ben Kensell is wrong and didn’t know what his role was or what area of the business it was even in.

You’re not really following this.

The suggestion was that he wasn’t qualified to be CEO of a football club as he had no experience of how one operated and that he shouldn’t be allowed to be any part of potential commercial arrangements with investors.

This is nonsense. You are confusing the wording around being day to day responsible in a ‘football dept’ type role with knowing and understanding how a football club works. After 18 yrs working for football clubs, including as a COO and a CEO he certainly knows how a football club works.

It is a pretty stupid argument that he didn’t run a football dept and therefore he shouldn’t run a whole football club.

[TrinityHFC]

If you are a shareholder then yes, you own Hibs.

No, if you are a minor shareholder then you own shares in Hibs. You could say you were a minority shareholder or even a part owner. You couldn’t really say that you own Hibs.

[7Hero]

You’re not really following this.

The suggestion was that he wasn’t qualified to be CEO of a football club as he had no experience of how one operated and that he shouldn’t be allowed to be any part of potential commercial arrangements with investors.

This is nonsense. You are confusing the wording around being day to day responsible in a ‘football dept’ type role with knowing and understanding how a football club works. After 18 yrs working for football clubs, including as a COO and a CEO he certainly knows how a football club works.

It is a pretty stupid argument that he didn’t run a football dept and therefore he shouldn’t run a whole football club.


What he needs to do is employ a person qualified to run the foot ball department. Jury is out on that right now...

[WeeRussell]

Excellent.

I hope you’ve got previous experience in the footballing side of football clubs or you can **** off.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You’re not really following this.

The suggestion was that he wasn’t qualified to be CEO of a football club as he had no experience of how one operated and that he shouldn’t be allowed to be any part of potential commercial arrangements with investors.

This is nonsense. You are confusing the wording around being day to day responsible in a ‘football dept’ type role with knowing and understanding how a football club works. After 18 yrs working for football clubs, including as a COO and a CEO he certainly knows how a football club works.

It is a pretty stupid argument that he didn’t run a football dept and therefore he shouldn’t run a whole football club.

On Ben Kensell:

“ He’s been working in football operations roles for nearly 18 years” and “His roles have all been within football operations” - TrinityHFC

“My role is heading up the non-football side of the business” - Ben Kensell, the actual guy himself, telling everyone what his role was.

Aye. Its me that’s not getting it.

[basehibby]

Yeah sure, Abramovich was definitely in it for Chelsea's benefit.

I'm not sure what success IG has had, other than having a rich dad?

Off field I agree Hibs are in a good place. On field, it's been a downward spiral under the Gordons, with a strategy clearly aimed more at selling young players, than actually being successful on the pitch.

If you think differently, that's fair enough

Downward spiral my arse!

Mistakes have been made for sure but there is no way we have gone backwards.
Around when Ross was sacked we had a ropey season alright - appointing a rookie at the wrong time, with some questionable transfer dealings with young IG promoted beyond his capabilities - although that was not a total disaster as many of the signings from that period have since Bourne fruit. Since then we've appointed a DOF and got back into Europe, with the owners investing considerably on the pitch.
LJ was not the right man and now we have a new manager in Monty with a fresh approach. He's now in his 1st window and we live in hope that he'll be able to recruit well enough to get back to Europe once more.

How that equates to a downward spiral between your ears is anyone's guess. Fair to say we have not progressed much if at all but if we'd been on a downward spiral these last few years we'd be in a relegation scrap!

[Paulie Walnuts]

No, if you are a minor shareholder then you own shares in Hibs. You could say you were a minority shareholder or even a part owner. You couldn’t really say that you own Hibs.

Shareholder. As in owner of a share. So an owner. A share is a unit of ownership of a company, and if you have one, you’re an owner.

[CapitalGreen]

The last few pages of this thread.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

[HoboHarry]

High time some of the children were sent to bed.

[bingo70]

The last few pages of this thread.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

😂

I was just thinking some folk really know how to suck the fun out of having a billionaire invest millions into the club eh.

The definition of a shareholder or what’s on Kensalls CV really doesn’t get the juices flowing for me but each to their own.

Hopefully wake up tomorrow to some positive news that will unite the clans and keep us all happy 😃

[Hibs4185]

So is tomorrow the day???

[TrinityHFC]

On Ben Kensell:

“ He’s been working in football operations roles for nearly 18 years” and “His roles have all been within football operations” - TrinityHFC

“My role is heading up the non-football side of the business” - Ben Kensell, the actual guy himself, telling everyone what his role was.

Aye. Its me that’s not getting it.

Yep you’re right, you’re not.

[Brightside]

Always the same folk. Half the threads are empty for me due to me taking the admins advice and adding more people to ignore.

[TrinityHFC]

What he needs to do is employ a person qualified to run the foot ball department. Jury is out on that right now...

Agree with that.

[WeeRussell]

High time some of the children were sent to bed.

I’m no going to mine.

I’ve peed it, you’re under it and I cannae find it anyway as Radge has hidden it!

[WeeRussell]

Always the same folk. Half the threads are empty for me due to me taking the admins advice and adding more people to ignore.

Can you see this BS, mate?

[TrinityHFC]

Shareholder. As in owner of a share. So an owner. A share is a unit of ownership of a company, and if you have one, you’re an owner.

Yep but a bit different from being an owner to owning something. I’m sure you can get the nuance.

[HoboHarry]

I’m no going to mine.

I’ve peed it, you’re under it and I cannae find it anyway as Radge has hidden it!
Damn dug has joined me there anaw - it's raining and the wife wants to take him for a walk...

[1875godsgift]

Can you see this BS, mate?

He can now....

[WeeRussell]

He can now....

Unless….

[Greencore]

Disappointed we didn't go down the motherwell route.

https://twitter.com/MotherwellFC/status/1745113268056633521?t=icS6jgqe3T8226b9QLj--w&s=19

[Golden Bear]

The last few pages of this thread.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

😆👍

[1875godsgift]

Unless….

Very true, I don't listen to a word I say either.

[Lago]

Damn dug has joined me there anaw - it's raining and the wife wants to take him for a walk...
People don't walk in America, come to your Fife land holding and enjoy a bracing walk along the Forth 💨

[HoboHarry]

People don't walk in America, come to your Fife land holding and enjoy a bracing walk along the Forth 💨

Laughed out loud at that one :greengrin

[Eyrie]

I was going to comment on this thread but as I've never run any part of a football club I'm not qualified to comment on the ability of others to do so.

[tamig]

I was going to comment on this thread but as I've never run any part of a football club I'm not qualified to comment on the ability of others to do so.

But are you an owner?

[USA_Hibee]

Do we actually know when the final decision is going to be made? Sorry if I've missed it.

[greenlex]

So is tomorrow the day???

No. I don’t think it is.

[SaulGoodman]

No. I don’t think it is.

Who are you to say otherwise? The owner? Let me see your shares

[scoopyboy]

Who are you to say otherwise? The owner? Let me see your shares

This is your time of the year , following any leads?

[Hibbyradge]

I’m no going to mine.

I’ve peed it, you’re under it and I cannae find it anyway as Radge has hidden it!

Brilliant.

:faf:

[SaulGoodman]

This is your time of the year , following any leads?

Nothing exciting :greengrin

[Brightside]

He can now....

Damn

[nonshinyfinish]

Yeah, agreed.

It's that kind of scenario that makes me think there might be new shares. (although those ITK seem to think there won't be).

Increasing the shares by 33% (with Foley buying them all) will give Foley his 24.9%, maintain the Gordons at just over 50%, and give the club a nice wee cash injection.

I know you mentioned the possibility of preference shares, or maybe "A" shares? That might achieve everyone's aims.

Another possibility is that Foley buys Leslie Robb's 10% and 14.9% from the Gordons, leaving them with about 52%. No new shares and the Gordons still have majority control.

[JimBHibees]

Always the same folk. Half the threads are empty for me due to me taking the admins advice and adding more people to ignore.

Same

[RMQ1967]

Same

You're the lucky ones :greengrin

[Since452]

Downward spiral my arse!

Mistakes have been made for sure but there is no way we have gone backwards.
Around when Ross was sacked we had a ropey season alright - appointing a rookie at the wrong time, with some questionable transfer dealings with young IG promoted beyond his capabilities - although that was not a total disaster as many of the signings from that period have since Bourne fruit. Since then we've appointed a DOF and got back into Europe, with the owners investing considerably on the pitch.
LJ was not the right man and now we have a new manager in Monty with a fresh approach. He's now in his 1st window and we live in hope that he'll be able to recruit well enough to get back to Europe once more.

How that equates to a downward spiral between your ears is anyone's guess. Fair to say we have not progressed much if at all but if we'd been on a downward spiral these last few years we'd be in a relegation scrap!

Were only 7 points off the relegation playoff spot having played a game more than the team currently in it. Far closer to that than we are 3rd. We're regularly playing abysmal football with barely a shot on target in a system the players either don't understand or aren't capable of. If we don't considerably improve then relegation is a real prospect. There has definitely been a downward spiral other than a promising 2nd half of last season under Johnson. This is the worst i've felt about Hibs since the Butcher era. I'd be astonished if we don't finish bottom six.

[ancient hibee]

Were only 7 points off the relegation playoff spot having played a game more than the team currently in it. Far closer to that than we are 3rd. We're regularly playing abysmal football with barely a shot on target in a system the players either don't understand or aren't capable of. If we don't considerably improve then relegation is a real prospect. There has definitely been a downward spiral other than a promising 2nd half of last season under Johnson. This is the worst i've felt about Hibs since the Butcher era. I'd be astonished if we don't finish bottom six.

We’ve done well to be third highest scorers in the league with barely a shot on target.

[bingo70]

We’ve done well to be third highest scorers in the league with barely a shot on target.

Qualified for Europe last season and 4 points off what will probably be a European place this season with 2 games in hand and got an American billionaire about to invest millions into the club.

Just like the Butcher days indeed.

[Brightside]

Another possibility is that Foley buys Leslie Robb's 10% and 14.9% from the Gordons, leaving them with about 52%. No new shares and the Gordons still have majority control.

Id say its a cert they are buying Leslie's shares. No other reason to quickly amend the company house details.

[B.H.F.C]

Were only 7 points off the relegation playoff spot having played a game more than the team currently in it. Far closer to that than we are 3rd. We're regularly playing abysmal football with barely a shot on target in a system the players either don't understand or aren't capable of. If we don't considerably improve then relegation is a real prospect. There has definitely been a downward spiral other than a promising 2nd half of last season under Johnson. This is the worst i've felt about Hibs since the Butcher era. I'd be astonished if we don't finish bottom six.

Have a day off man.

[Heisenberg]

After 20 games last season we were 4 points off the relegation playoff and Dundee Utd had a game in hand. We’d just been scudded twice by Hearts. Can’t say I feel worse about our current situation than I did then.

[J-C]

Were only 7 points off the relegation playoff spot having played a game more than the team currently in it. Far closer to that than we are 3rd. We're regularly playing abysmal football with barely a shot on target in a system the players either don't understand or aren't capable of. If we don't considerably improve then relegation is a real prospect. There has definitely been a downward spiral other than a promising 2nd half of last season under Johnson. This is the worst i've felt about Hibs since the Butcher era. I'd be astonished if we don't finish bottom six.

Do you never get fed up being so negative, are you actually a Hibs fan at all?

[Brightside]

Do you never get fed up being so negative, are you actually a Hibs fan at all?

Put him on ignore

[He's here!]

Put him on ignore

The 'are you a Hibs fan?' and 'put them on ignore' responses to anyone who voices justified criticism of the club seem rather closed-minded. The club's on-field mediocrity in particular surely merits flak from fans, bearing in mind what we invest in players compared to the majority of clubs in the league? The fact we're hailing a half-hour of enjoyable football against Motherwell as a high point underlines how painful the football has, in the most part, been to watch for several years now. I sincerely hope that an astute transfer window will see a significant improvement in what we've been watching, but thus far I'm underwhelmed by what's been served up under the latest manager.

Re the new investment, I have no idea if it will work out well for us or not. I'd be delighted if it enabled us to spend bigger than anyone outwith the top two and transform us into regular top-three finishers, but I'm just not convinced the club is in the hands of people who can deliver a sense of consistent, forward momentum. For too long now we seem to have drifted in no particular direction.

I'm not at the stage of the poster who recently declared that nothing makes him more miserable than watching Hibs, but there's no question that there's a dearth of enjoyment about following the club at present.

[Bridge hibs]

The 'are you a Hibs fan?' and 'put them on ignore' responses to anyone who voices justified criticism of the club seem rather closed-minded. The club's on-field mediocrity in particular surely merits flak from fans, bearing in mind what we invest in players compared to the majority of clubs in the league? The fact we're hailing a half-hour of enjoyable football against Motherwell as a high point underlines how painful the football has, in the most part, been to watch for several years now. I sincerely hope that an astute transfer window will see a significant improvement in what we've been watching, but thus far I'm underwhelmed by what's been served up under the latest manager.

Re the new investment, I have no idea if it will work out well for us or not. I'd be delighted if it enabled us to spend bigger than anyone outwith the top two and transform us into regular top-three finishers, but I'm just not convinced the club is in the hands of people who can deliver a sense of consistent, forward momentum. For too long now we seem to have drifted in no particular direction.

I'm not at the stage of the poster who recently declared that nothing makes him more miserable than watching Hibs, but there's no question that there's a dearth of enjoyment about following the club at present.Its only a game of football at the end of the day, if football/hibs made me as ****ing miserable as one or two posters on here then I would call it a day and get a new hobby

[Dublin07]

Were only 7 points off the relegation playoff spot having played a game more than the team currently in it. Far closer to that than we are 3rd. We're regularly playing abysmal football with barely a shot on target in a system the players either don't understand or aren't capable of. If we don't considerably improve then relegation is a real prospect. There has definitely been a downward spiral other than a promising 2nd half of last season under Johnson. This is the worst i've felt about Hibs since the Butcher era. I'd be astonished if we don't finish bottom six.

Do you do Birthdays and christenings! You are a real bundle of laughs. Things are far from perfect but how many teams receive a large investment and get worse - not many! Stop moaning for 5 mins and you might just enjoy life enough to enjoy the ride.

[RMQ1967]

The 'are you a Hibs fan?' and 'put them on ignore' responses to anyone who voices justified criticism of the club seem rather closed-minded. The club's on-field mediocrity in particular surely merits flak from fans, bearing in mind what we invest in players compared to the majority of clubs in the league? The fact we're hailing a half-hour of enjoyable football against Motherwell as a high point underlines how painful the football has, in the most part, been to watch for several years now. I sincerely hope that an astute transfer window will see a significant improvement in what we've been watching, but thus far I'm underwhelmed by what's been served up under the latest manager.

Re the new investment, I have no idea if it will work out well for us or not. I'd be delighted if it enabled us to spend bigger than anyone outwith the top two and transform us into regular top-three finishers, but I'm just not convinced the club is in the hands of people who can deliver a sense of consistent, forward momentum. For too long now we seem to have drifted in no particular direction.

I'm not at the stage of the poster who recently declared that nothing makes him more miserable than watching Hibs, but there's no question that there's a dearth of enjoyment about following the club at present.

But ask yourself this - aside from a few sporadic purple patches & extreme highs has it ever been any different watching Hibs?

We are perennial underachievers & the majority of my decades of watching Hibs has resulted in a dearth of enjoyment.

Let's not pretend it's a recent thing.

I should add, although I'm still frustrated watch Hibs, I am enjoying following the club as it grows financially and seeing the improvements to the ground, hospitality, training centre etc. Potentialy vey exciting times ahead on the pitch.

[Not In The Know]

The 'are you a Hibs fan?' and 'put them on ignore' responses to anyone who voices justified criticism of the club seem rather closed-minded. The club's on-field mediocrity in particular surely merits flak from fans, bearing in mind what we invest in players compared to the majority of clubs in the league? The fact we're hailing a half-hour of enjoyable football against Motherwell as a high point underlines how painful the football has, in the most part, been to watch for several years now. I sincerely hope that an astute transfer window will see a significant improvement in what we've been watching, but thus far I'm underwhelmed by what's been served up under the latest manager.

Re the new investment, I have no idea if it will work out well for us or not. I'd be delighted if it enabled us to spend bigger than anyone outwith the top two and transform us into regular top-three finishers, but I'm just not convinced the club is in the hands of people who can deliver a sense of consistent, forward momentum. For too long now we seem to have drifted in no particular direction.

I'm not at the stage of the poster who recently declared that nothing makes him more miserable than watching Hibs, but there's no question that there's a dearth of enjoyment about following the club at present.

I'd disagree, granted things could be a lot better on the pitch, under Monty it's the beginning of a process. He's at the start of his journey building his team and I reckon if you asked most Hibs fans the would agree he's got the skills and staff to do it. At the very least they would agree he knows a what he's doing a lot more then LJ and Maloney did! The only way is up, and if he's backed... wow! It could be brilliant times ahead.

It's the most positive outlook ahead we have faced in years.

[J-C]

Put him on ignore

I have that many, will be nothing to read 😂

[blackpoolhibs]

Its only a game of football at the end of the day, if football/hibs made me as ****ing miserable as one or two posters on here then I would call it a day and get a new hobby

Easy to say, not so easy to do. Hibs are like a drug that you know you should give up but cant.

[Hibbyradge]

Easy to say, not so easy to do. Hibs are like a drug that you know you should give up but cant.

Most drugs make you feel good. :wink:

[I'm_cabbaged]

Its only a game of football at the end of the day, if football/hibs made me as ****ing miserable as one or two posters on here then I would call it a day and get a new hobby

I tried golf…. 🤣🤣

[babahibs]

I'd disagree, granted things could be a lot better on the pitch, under Monty it's the beginning of a process. He's at the start of his journey building his team and I reckon if you asked most Hibs fans the would agree he's got the skills and staff to do it. At the very least they would agree he knows a what he's doing a lot more then LJ and Maloney did! The only way is up, and if he's backed... wow! It could be brilliant times ahead.

It's the most positive outlook ahead we have faced in years.

Agree, I don't think I've ever been more positive and excited about Hibs.
There's a few posters on here would be better off following Real Madrid and the likes, I'd bet they'd still be on real.net relentlessly moaning about how unsuccessful they are.
I kinda fear for their mental health ( if I actually thought they weren't on here just to stir sh#t that is)

[WeeRussell]

Most drugs make you feel good. :wink:

Well, at first.

[Bridge hibs]

Easy to say, not so easy to do. Hibs are like a drug that you know you should give up but cant.

Believe me, my Brother has got to be the most utterly miserable hibs fan I have ever had the displeasure to sit beside as season ticket holders in the old East

I used to enjoy and be really up for games, few beers before etc but after the game win or lose I would lock myself in my room for a week, he literally sucked all the fun out of it by being a miserable prick

He said he doesnt but Im pretty sure he posts on here 🫣

[Bridge hibs]

I tried golf…. 🤣🤣

🤣

[Sioux]

Agree, I don't think I've ever been more positive and excited about Hibs.
There's a few posters on here would be better off following Real Madrid and the likes, I'd bet they'd still be on real.net relentlessly moaning about how unsuccessful they are.
I kinda fear for their mental health ( if I actually thought they weren't on here just to stir sh#t that is)

It's about time the Admins got rid of the perpetual trolls who add nothing to any discussion.

[WhileTheChief..]

Always the same folk. Half the threads are empty for me due to me taking the admins advice and adding more people to ignore.

So you didn't like some posts, ran greeting to the admins to report them, got told you to grow a set, and now you're on here to tell us about it.

You really know how to add value to the chat!

[Rumble de Thump]

Believe me, my Brother has got to be the most utterly miserable hibs fan I have ever had the displeasure to sit beside as season ticket holders in the old East

I used to enjoy and be really up for games, few beers before etc but after the game win or lose I would lock myself in my room for a week, he literally sucked all the fun out of it by being a miserable prick

He said he doesnt but Im pretty sure he posts on here 🫣

He must have a few accounts.

[WhileTheChief..]

Its only a game of football at the end of the day, if football/hibs made me as ****ing miserable as one or two posters on here then I would call it a day and get a new hobby

Folk can be perfectly happy in their lives and post concerns here. That you read them as being negative or miserable is simply your take on it.

Mental to suggest that someone should get a new hobby because they bump their gums on here a bit.

It's you lot that complain about other posters that are the problem. The forum is to discuss Hibs, not have a dig at Hibs fans you disagree with.

[Iain G]

Folk can be perfectly happy in their lives and post concerns here. That you read them as being negative or miserable is simply your take on it.

Mental to suggest that someone should get a new hobby because they bump their gums on here a bit.

It's you lot that complain about other posters that are the problem. The forum is to discuss Hibs, not have a dig at Hibs fans you disagree with.

Everyone is more than able and allowed to post what they feel like on here. Some folks are more than just bumping their gums about things, it's the downright relentless negative post after post about Hibs, it's just bloody tiring at times.

[babahibs]

It's you lot that complain about other posters that are the problem. The forum is to discuss Hibs, not have a dig at Hibs fans you disagree with.[/QUOTE]

Which is what you've just done, surely

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Most drugs make you feel good. :wink:

and the drugs don’t work they just make it worse…

[Stuart93]

I can see it from both angles tbh.

I’m excited about whats coming off the pitch. Financially, renovations and hopefully higher quality of player along with that.

However I’m finding watching hibs just now very boring. We’re not playing attractive football and seem to be going into every game looking to scrape something just now. For me, NM hasn’t shown anything yet that suggests things are going in the right direction. Is he an upgrade on LJ? Maybe but not as much so far as I’d have hoped. And I’ll say this very quietly…I actually thought we played more exciting football under LJ, just couldn’t stop conceding.

Although football can change really quickly. A few signings in the door could transform us and hopefully will transform us. There needs to be a big concentration from everyone at the club now to get it right on the pitch.

Think it’s harsh to be bringing up folks mental health due to what they’re posting on here. Maybe they find .net as their escape. It’s not too hard to at least be respectful when replying to a post or ignore it altogether for that matter.

We’re all after the same thing here

[Bridge hibs]

Folk can be perfectly happy in their lives and post concerns here. That you read them as being negative or miserable is simply your take on it.

Mental to suggest that someone should get a new hobby because they bump their gums on here a bit.

It's you lot that complain about other posters that are the problem. The forum is to discuss Hibs, not have a dig at Hibs fans you disagree with.Thanks for the lecture

My advice is generally ignored anyway, my Brother is still a season ticket holder and still a miserable ****er

Anyway, c’mon Foleys green and white army

[WeeRussell]

House!

[Bridge hibs]

Anyone think we will hear anything soon ? Would like to think the rubber stamping has been done but knowing the SFA it could drag on and on and on

[WeeRussell]

Anyone think we will hear anything soon ? Would like to think the rubber stamping has been done but knowing the SFA it could drag on and on and on

Fingers crossed Bridge, but scarf above the head and all that.

[Bridge hibs]

Fingers crossed Bridge, but scarf above the head and all that.🤞

[007]

So you didn't like some posts, ran greeting to the admins to report them, got told you to grow a set, and now you're on here to tell us about it.

You really know how to add value to the chat!


Folk can be perfectly happy in their lives and post concerns here. That you read them as being negative or miserable is simply your take on it.

Mental to suggest that someone should get a new hobby because they bump their gums on here a bit.

It's you lot that complain about other posters that are the problem. The forum is to discuss Hibs, not have a dig at Hibs fans you disagree with.

This is exactly what you are doing with these posts. Okay for you to do it but not others it seems.

[erin go bragh]

Boy on twitter heard a rumour from a guy that he says, is normally spot on but he's hoping its bull.
The @ScottishFA rejecting any deal between Hibs & Bill Foley doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Any deal that has the potential to ruin any success their two favourite clubs have, was never going to be allowed #Hibs

[He's here!]

But ask yourself this - aside from a few sporadic purple patches & extreme highs has it ever been any different watching Hibs?

We are perennial underachievers & the majority of my decades of watching Hibs has resulted in a dearth of enjoyment.

Let's not pretend it's a recent thing.

I should add, although I'm still frustrated watch Hibs, I am enjoying following the club as it grows financially and seeing the improvements to the ground, hospitality, training centre etc. Potentialy vey exciting times ahead on the pitch.

These are all fair points. However, while we have indeed been underachievers for much of our history the frustration felt these days is that (as you say) there appears to be a stronger off-field infrastructure underpinning the club than we've ever had, yet the on-field product is more often than not mediocre, frequently dreadful. As recently as Tony Mowbray's time at ER the squad were sometimes being ferried around in mini-buses looking for a patch of grass to train on yet the team which took to the field on Saturdays was regularly a joy to watch.

Nobody's asking for title-winning football, but it's undeniable we could and should do so much better with the advantage we have over most other clubs. Folk are saying we haven't gone backwards, but we've slipped significantly compared to the Stubbs/Dempster/early Lennon era, where the right people were in place to build something rather special on the pitch. Fingers crossed the Montgomery era will ultimately prove to be a successful one but it's hardly surprising that at on current evidence folk fear it has the potential to be the latest in a line of misjudged managerial appointments by a club whose direction of travel remains ill defined.

[babahibs]

House!

:greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

Believe me, my Brother has got to be the most utterly miserable hibs fan I have ever had the displeasure to sit beside as season ticket holders in the old East

I used to enjoy and be really up for games, few beers before etc but after the game win or lose I would lock myself in my room for a week, he literally sucked all the fun out of it by being a miserable prick

He said he doesnt but Im pretty sure he posts on here 🫣

My big brother ( born in Manchester, lived in Scotland since he was one year old ) has been a United fan all his life from his armchair. The furthest he's been to see United was when I drove him to Carlisle so he could watch the FA cup final on telly .. it wasn't being broadcast in Scotland.

If he moaned about United at an actual game, especially abuse of the players, the way he has done to me for 60 years somebody would punch him in the face :greengrin

Since my first Hibs game in 1975 United have won:

League ..... 13
FA cup ...... 9
League cup .. 6
Champions league ... 2
Europa league .... 1
CWC .... 1
World club cup ... 1

If you think its hard listening to a Hibby moan about his team, imagine what a hard shift it is listening to somebody who supports a team with that record bitch about what a hard shift it is. And I don't mean recently, he was just the same all through the Fergie years :greengrin

[Stuart93]

Boy on twitter heard a rumour from a guy that he says, is normally spot on but he's hoping its bull.
The @ScottishFA rejecting any deal between Hibs & Bill Foley doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Any deal that has the potential to ruin any success their two favourite clubs have, was never going to be allowed #Hibs

Seen that. Sounds completely made up.

Also don’t imagine Foley would be openly speaking about us as a “sister club” if there was any chance of it falling through

[Smartie]

Believe me, my Brother has got to be the most utterly miserable hibs fan I have ever had the displeasure to sit beside as season ticket holders in the old East

I used to enjoy and be really up for games, few beers before etc but after the game win or lose I would lock myself in my room for a week, he literally sucked all the fun out of it by being a miserable prick

He said he doesnt but Im pretty sure he posts on here 🫣

Gordon?

Is that you?

[Lago]

Seen that. Sounds completely made up.
I wonder what the reaction would be on here if the proposed share buy was rejected and Foley walked away?

[04Sauzee]

Boy on twitter heard a rumour from a guy that he says, is normally spot on but he's hoping its bull.
The @ScottishFA rejecting any deal between Hibs & Bill Foley doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Any deal that has the potential to ruin any success their two favourite clubs have, was never going to be allowed #Hibs

Haven't seen anyone else hinting at bad news

@angry_golfer91



The @ScottishFA rejecting any deal between Hibs & Bill Foley doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Any deal that has the potential to ruin any success their two favourite clubs have, was never going to be allowed #Hibs

[NAE NOOKIE]

I wonder what the reaction would be on here if the proposed share buy was rejected and Foley walked away?

It would be our turn to bitch and moan about how badly we have been treated trumping the usually faux outrage of the usual suspects like Hearts and the The Rangers :greengrin

Except we would have a point :confused:

[JimBHibees]

I wonder what the reaction would be on here if the proposed share buy was rejected and Foley walked away?

And invested in a rival

[Greencore]

Haven't seen anyone else hinting at bad news

@angry_golfer91



The @ScottishFA rejecting any deal between Hibs & Bill Foley doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Any deal that has the potential to ruin any success their two favourite clubs have, was never going to be allowed #Hibs



Then foley should sue the sfa and get that fat jambo pr**k living off noodles.

[Stuart93]

I wonder what the reaction would be on here if the proposed share buy was rejected and Foley walked away?

I’d be pretty depressed by it tbh especially after hearing the plans they have.

Would put us back to square one.

[Stuart93]

And invested in a rival

That couldn’t happen though

[Bridge hibs]

Gordon?

Is that you?

No, Im her Mum

[Bridge hibs]

Boy on twitter heard a rumour from a guy that he says, is normally spot on but he's hoping its bull.
The @ScottishFA rejecting any deal between Hibs & Bill Foley doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Any deal that has the potential to ruin any success their two favourite clubs have, was never going to be allowed #Hibs

I think its someone mischief making

[babahibs]

I wonder what the reaction would be on here if the proposed share buy was rejected and Foley walked away?

A few posters would be celebrating

[Dmas]

I think its someone mischief making

Sfa knocking back investment in one team the same week another team announces it’s desperate for investment would be peak SFA, I can’t see it myself although I’m no expert longer it drags on more of this we’ll see though as fowk go on the wind up

[Aldo]

I’m pretty sure if this was being rejected by the SFA that it would have been leaked to the media by a certain member of the group.

Someone is mischief making and desperate for this not to happen.

[Stairway 2 7]

"People say, "Believe half of what you see
Son, and none of what you hear""

It's always a pal that's heard this or that not the person

[Brightside]

So you didn't like some posts, ran greeting to the admins to report them, got told you to grow a set, and now you're on here to tell us about it.

You really know how to add value to the chat!

Ive never ran greeting to the admins. I was banned after getting pulled down to the level of the petty nonsense that seems to have overtaken the forum in the last few years.
Unfortunately the site has been dragged to the ground by daft wee guys who just want to spend all day slagging the club. If you don't like something why spend so much time and effort talking about it.

There is very little "value" to be added when there is only a handful of decent posters left. I'll add you to the ignore list now too. Makes us all happier I'm sure.

[Jones28]

I wonder what the reaction would be on here if the proposed share buy was rejected and Foley walked away?

I think I would chuck Scottish football altogether to be honest.

What would be the point?

However, I think it's immaterial is it will be approved, there's no way Foley is referring to us as a sister club otherwise.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think I would chuck Scottish football altogether to be honest.

What would be the point?

However, I think it's immaterial is it will be approved, there's no way Foley is referring to us as a sister club otherwise.

Same.

Like you I don’t think it’ll be denied, if it did though I honestly don’t think I’d be back. At least not for a long, long time.

[Lago]

And invested in a rival
Oh that would be a real sore one :grr:

[Lago]

I think I would chuck Scottish football altogether to be honest.

What would be the point?

However, I think it's immaterial is it will be approved, there's no way Foley is referring to us as a sister club otherwise.
I really hope your right as I think this is the one opportunity for Hibs to take a giant stride forward.

[He's here!]

Ive never ran greeting to the admins. I was banned after getting pulled down to the level of the petty nonsense that seems to have overtaken the forum in the last few years.
Unfortunately the site has been dragged to the ground by daft wee guys who just want to spend all day slagging the club. If you don't like something why spend so much time and effort talking about it.

There is very little "value" to be added when there is only a handful of decent posters left. I'll add you to the ignore list now too. Makes us all happier I'm sure.

As a relatively tall, non-daft guy I criticise the club when I feel it's merited and I think there's plenty to be frustrated by right now.

I think there's 'value' to doing so. If anything, I'd say it shows that those voicing concerns care about the club and feel strongly that it should be producing something better than it is. Sure, there's likely to be a yam troll or two among the critics but criticising the club/team is not in itself 'trolling'.

[Lago]

As a relatively tall, non-daft guy I criticise the club when I feel it's merited and I think there's plenty to be frustrated by right now.

I think there's 'value' to doing so. If anything, I'd say it shows that those voicing concerns care about the club and feel strongly that it should be producing something better than it is. Sure, there's likely to be a yam troll or two among the critics but criticising the club/team is not in itself 'trolling'.
Constructive criticism yes, non stop rolling negativity no.

[Nevi_SOL]

I think I would chuck Scottish football altogether to be honest.

What would be the point?

However, I think it's immaterial is it will be approved, there's no way Foley is referring to us as a sister club otherwise.

I'm the same as well, Scottish football has been going backwards as long as I can remember, needs a big freshen up

[Joe6-2]

I'm the same as well, Scottish football has been going backwards as long as I can remember, needs a big freshen up

Yeah but as far as the powers that be are concerned only two teams matter

[Greencore]

Oh well maybe an announcement when the teams back from dubai.

[Franck Le God]

Apologies if this has been covered but, is there a reason this seems to be getting more coverage by BBC Sport? Had assumed there would be at least a brief story on the Scottish football section but nada as far as I can tell.

Could it be similar to being unable to report on court cases etc in case the outcome is influenced?


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[WhileTheChief..]

This is exactly what you are doing with these posts. Okay for you to do it but not others it seems.

Hardly the same thing ffs.

Every day you're on here having a go at others. Why? No one is having a go at you each day, how about just giving them a break?

It's not personal, no one is slagging you off.

We're discussing Hibs, can you really not accept that people see things differently to you and leave it at that? Or at the very least discuss it civiily instead of the name calling and sly digs.

[CapitalGreen]

Hardly the same thing ffs.

Every day you're on here having a go at others. Why? No one is having a go at you each day, how about just giving them a break?

It's not personal, no one is slagging you off.

We're discussing Hibs, can you really not accept that people see things differently to you and leave it at that? Or at the very least discuss it civiily instead of the name calling and sly digs.

Any chance of keeping this thread on topic, I’m sure your petty grievances with other posters could be dealt with via PM rather than subjecting the rest of us to them.


Apologies if this has been covered but, is there a reason this seems to be getting more coverage by BBC Sport? Had assumed there would be at least a brief story on the Scottish football section but nada as far as I can tell.

Could it be similar to being unable to report on court cases etc in case the outcome is influenced?

There’s most likely little in the press because there is nothing to report, I imagine journalists are in the dark as much as we are in terms of the details of this deal.

[Lago]

Hardly the same thing ffs.

Every day you're on here having a go at others. Why? No one is having a go at you each day, how about just giving them a break?

It's not personal, no one is slagging you off.

We're discussing Hibs, can you really not accept that people see things differently to you and leave it at that? Or at the very least discuss it civiily instead of the name calling and sly digs.
Bit of pot and kettle on the go here.

[Hibiza]

Forgive my ignorance but what's happening ( Foley ).

[Since90+2]

Forgive my ignorance but what's happening ( Foley ).

Nothing knew confirmed. We'll only know once the SFA make their decision.

[badabing67]

Nothing knew confirmed. We'll only know once the SFA make their decision.

The decision must of been made by now. Just got to wonder what the hold up is. You would think that they could of at least put a date on the announcement of the decision.

[ScottB]

The decision must of been made by now. Just got to wonder what the hold up is. You would think that they could of at least put a date on the announcement of the decision.

Ultimately, we care and we are in a rush, nobody else will be…

[Dalianwanda]

The decision must of been made by now. Just got to wonder what the hold up is. You would think that they could of at least put a date on the announcement of the decision.

How do you know there’s a hold up? When we’re we told we’d know?

[badabing67]

How do you know there’s a hold up? When we’re we told we’d know?


Well, because we are still waiting on the decision!

[Eyrie]

But are you an owner?

Yes, with 10,000 shares :greengrin

I think that makes me a 40% owner, unless the decimal point is in the wrong place.

[Since90+2]

Well, because we are still waiting on the decision!

But they might have been told it will take x amount of weeks to get a decision. Doesn't mean there's a delay.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How do you know there’s a hold up? When we’re we told we’d know?

Was wondering the same. Where’s the idea we were going to find out today come from?

[stokesmessiah]

Ultimately, we care and we are in a rush, nobody else will be…

Guaranteed announcement at 6pm on Jan 31st (or whenever the window is closing)

[CropleyWasGod]

Well, because we are still waiting on the decision!

We don't know when, or even whether, Hibs submitted the formal application.

We don't know how often that committee meets.

[matty_f]

Was wondering the same. Where’s the idea we were going to find out today come from?

There were a few folk claiming that Thursday (today) was going to be the day. I'm not sure where they got it from.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There were a few folk claiming that Thursday (today) was going to be the day. I'm not sure where they got it from.

Cheers :aok:

[Iain G]

There were a few folk claiming that Thursday (today) was going to be the day. I'm not sure where they got it from.

Hoping its Foley Friday 🤞🤞

[GordonHFC]

Hoping its Foley Friday 🤞🤞

Foley Friday at Five.

[matty_f]

Foley Friday at Five.

Finally!

[One Day Soon]

Foley Friday at Five.

Foley Friday at Five.......in February.

[04Sauzee]

Foley Friday at Five.

Fabulous

[Edinburgh Green]

There were a few folk claiming that Thursday (today) was going to be the day. I'm not sure where they got it from.

Herd mentality from those wanting to keep up their 'ITK' status?

Starts with a couple of dollar emojis and then half of Edinburgh are claiming that it's being signed off as we speak. The more vague the better.

If the deal gets the official go ahead in say 2 weeks, they will claim that the final SFA meeting was on the Thursday, with no objections. :rolleyes:

[One Day Soon]

Constructive criticism yes, non stop rolling negativity no.

This post took me down a rather weird and unexpected Bay City Rollers wormhole. What we need is for our (potential) new benefactor to give us enough cash to fund a Summerlove Signing Sensation.

[Dalianwanda]

Well, because we are still waiting on the decision!

That’s doesnt mean a hold up though. We’ve no idea how long these things take.

[Hibs4185]

Foley Friday at Five.

Live from Greggs

[Iain G]

Live from Greggs

So.. "From your favourite fantasic Greggs! It's finally Foley Friday at Five, Live!"

[Greencore]

Could be talking complete trash, but did David Murray have shares in arsenal when he owned the old rangers

[Smartie]

Could be talking complete trash, but did David Murray have shares in arsenal when he owned the old rangers

I don't think it was Murray but it was Rangers themselves (as they were known) who had the Arsenal shares.

There was some sort of historical thing where they'd been gifted to Rangers. It was highly controversial (and unpopular) when they were sold under Craig Whyte when the whole thing was crumbling down.

Edit - here's a bit about it here...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/feb/24/rangers-ally-mccoist-shares-arsenal

[Greencore]

I don't think it was Murray but it was Rangers themselves (as they were known) who had the Arsenal shares.

There was some sort of historical thing where they'd been gifted to Rangers. It was highly controversial (and unpopular) when they were sold under Craig Whyte when the whole thing was crumbling down.

Edit - here's a bit about it here...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/feb/24/rangers-ally-mccoist-shares-arsenal


Thanks mate

[worcesterhibby]

To be honest it makes absolute sense to keep things close to our chest while we are negotiating transfers. If clubs think we have just had a £6million investment, you can be sure that prices go up. Let's get our buisness done and then announce.

[ScottB]

Isn’t the thing we’re after is not permission for Foley to own a stake, as that’s been done before, but permission for him to eventually own more / do a takeover later?

[nonshinyfinish]

Isn’t the thing we’re after is not permission for Foley to own a stake, as that’s been done before, but permission for him to eventually own more / do a takeover later?

Might be wrong, but I thought that while the minority stake has been done before, the existing rules are that it's at the SFA's discretion each time, so they could block it if they had concerns.

Foley owning more than 25% (while having majority control of another club) would be a bigger rule change, not just the SFA signing off under their existing rules.

That said, I suppose it's possible that the first bit has been rubber-stamped and we're now negotiating about the second bit.

[matty_f]

Might be wrong, but I thought that while the minority stake has been done before, the existing rules are that it's at the SFA's discretion each time, so they could block it if they had concerns.

Foley owning more than 25% (while having majority control of another club) would be a bigger rule change, not just the SFA signing off under their existing rules.

That said, I suppose it's possible that the first bit has been rubber-stamped and we're now negotiating about the second bit.

I think theSFA have said that they're not looking to change the rule but look at things on an exception basis.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

To be honest it makes absolute sense to keep things close to our chest while we are negotiating transfers. If clubs think we have just had a £6million investment, you can be sure that prices go up. Let's get our buisness done and then announce.

unless you are a PLC on the stock market do you need to declare the size and source of investment? And if not why would you do so? It’s all PR no?

I have a theory that salaries and investments are all bogus - are they ever challenged or verified (that’s if they are verifiable). So it’s just pundits / agents / paper talk. Extended by online ITK not-ITK..

if it’s that easy to verify can someone provide a kosher source to confirm?

[Gloucester Hibs]

I have a theory that salaries and investments are all bogus

Certainly were at Oldco ****

[CropleyWasGod]

unless you are a PLC on the stock market do you need to declare the size and source of investment? And if not why would you do so? It’s all PR no?

I have a theory that salaries and investments are all bogus - are they ever challenged or verified (that’s if they are verifiable). So it’s just pundits / agents / paper talk. Extended by online ITK not-ITK..

if it’s that easy to verify can someone provide a kosher source to confirm?

Yes, if you're our size of limited company. But that would be in the accounts, rather than a separate (Stock Exchasnge etc) announcement.

One of my (many) theories is that we're waiting to publish our accounts , so that we can show the investment as a note to those accounts. It's what Bournemouth did.

[Gmack7]

Yes, if you're our size of limited company. But that would be in the accounts, rather than a separate (Stock Exchasnge etc) announcement.

One of my (many) theories is that we're waiting to publish our accounts , so that we can show the investment as a note to those accounts. It's what Bournemouth did.

Any idea when they are due to be published?

[CropleyWasGod]

Any idea when they are due to be published?

If/when the deal happens or doesn't.:greengrin

Legally, we have until the end of March to submit them to Companies House.

[Gmack7]

If/when the deal happens or doesn't.:greengrin

Legally, we have until the end of March to submit them to Companies House.

👍

[ScottB]

unless you are a PLC on the stock market do you need to declare the size and source of investment? And if not why would you do so? It’s all PR no?

I have a theory that salaries and investments are all bogus - are they ever challenged or verified (that’s if they are verifiable). So it’s just pundits / agents / paper talk. Extended by online ITK not-ITK..

if it’s that easy to verify can someone provide a kosher source to confirm?

Not sure if the SFA would demand to know who owned us / was giving us money when licensing the club for competition?

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure if the SFA would demand to know who owned us / was giving us money when licensing the club for competition?

That's all in the public domain already.

[GloryGlory]

Not sure if the SFA would demand to know who owned us / was giving us money when licensing the club for competition?

As we are registered with the SFA as Hibernian Football Club LIMITED, the shareholder register and the documents already in the public domain via Companies House will provide sufficient evidence of ownership - if that eventually includes the Black Knight Group with a 24.9% shareholding, as already discussed and (hopefully) approved by the SFA, why would they then seek to challenge ownership again and again?

[ScottB]

As we are registered with the SFA as Hibernian Football Club LIMITED, the shareholder register and the documents already in the public domain via Companies House will provide sufficient evidence of ownership - if that eventually includes the Black Knight Group with a 24.9% shareholding, as already discussed and (hopefully) approved by the SFA, why would they then seek to challenge ownership again and again?

Was in response to the suggestion of keeping such things secret, I assume even clubs that aren’t Ltd’s would still have to declare such things to the SFA.

[Hibs4185]

Well they allowed a money laundering Lithuanian submarine captain to own 2 teams fully, hearts and Kaunas, so a legit American billionaire should be plain sailing

[Hibs4185]

unless you are a PLC on the stock market do you need to declare the size and source of investment? And if not why would you do so? It’s all PR no?

I have a theory that salaries and investments are all bogus - are they ever challenged or verified (that’s if they are verifiable). So it’s just pundits / agents / paper talk. Extended by online ITK not-ITK..

if it’s that easy to verify can someone provide a kosher source to confirm?

That’s actually an interesting point…if you were a PLC and the shares weee publicly listed, I think Rangers were listed on the AIM, there is no way to stop people buying selling shares, so how could the SFA have a say in who owns the club?

[Kato]

Well they allowed a money laundering Lithuanian submarine captain to own 2 teams fully, hearts and Kaunas, so a legit American billionaire should be plain sailingHe was involved in more clubs than two, Riga and a few others in Lithuania.

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[GloryGlory]

Was in response to the suggestion of keeping such things secret, I assume even clubs that aren’t Ltd’s would still have to declare such things to the SFA.

I confess I don't know the answer to that - presumably the SFA have rules about transparency and disclosure in that case. I do know that limited companies already have information already in the public domain via their filings at Companies House, although non listed companies and smaller turnover companies are allowed to submit abridged accounts with less detail than PLCs.

[A Hi-Bee]

The future is bright, the future is green & white.
:Awright!:

[CropleyWasGod]

Was in response to the suggestion of keeping such things secret, I assume even clubs that aren’t Ltd’s would still have to declare such things to the SFA.


I confess I don't know the answer to that - presumably the SFA have rules about transparency and disclosure in that case. I do know that limited companies already have information already in the public domain via their filings at Companies House, although non listed companies and smaller turnover companies are allowed to submit abridged accounts with less detail than PLCs.

All clubs, of whatever size and structure, have to submit a Return declaring all relevant information, as part of the SFA's licensing procedures.

Knock yourselves out :greengrin

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/11171/uefa-club-licensing-and-financial-sustainability-regulations-2023.pdf

[MacBean]

All gone quiet on this last few days.
Wonder if we’ll hear anything after the team are back tomorrow?

[Ozyhibby]

All gone quiet on this last few days.
Wonder if we’ll hear anything after the team are back tomorrow?

Doubt that will have any bearing on things.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Doubt that will have any bearing on things.


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Yeah you wouldn’t think so. Presumably Ben and Ian are back here working on things so the squad training abroad should have no impact.

[overdrive]

He was involved in more clubs than two, Riga and a few others in Lithuania.

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I don't think he (legally) ever owned FBK Kaunas. He was their main financial backer, however and there were strong suggestions that he did exert control over them.

[Torto7]

If anything happens with this due to the SFA without genuine reasons then I'll be done with Scottish football. My interest is already at an all time low and I'm at the stage where I could only tell you the Hibs starting 11 not the others. After all of the dodgy practises across the road and their funny handshaking friends along the M8 I'll be out.

[Pete70]

I don’t think we’ll get the SFA decision till after the transfer window slams shut.

[Ringothedog]

I don’t think we’ll get the SFA decision till after the transfer window slams shut.

Based on?