Potential takeover/new investor?

[RMQ1967]

I don’t think I should feel ashamed or that I’m necessarily a negative person for questioning somebody’s motives for wanting to get involved with Hibs.

We fans have all got long, different back stories regarding why we want to see Hibs succeed on the park.

Whilst I’m sure some will have honourable intentions (and will indeed go on to deliver success) football is littered with stories that end up going the other way.

We’ve criticised fans of other clubs, including our near neighbours, of not holding questionable previous owners to account. They nearly lost their club as a result. I don’t think we can do that and then just merrily wave in ruthless business people just because they might make our football existence marginally less mediocre for a while.

Sure but you need to be in the lottery to win the jackpot.

While we and our neighbours have had bad experiences (although they had some relative success during it) they now have James Anderson pumping in large amounts of cash for no benefit to himself. I'm sure there were a few asking what's in it for him but where would they be now if they didn't take a leap of faith? Probably 20 million+ worse off.

[Greenworld]

If Foley, a billionaire already, is looking to use Hibs to make money maybe he isn’t so good at business after all.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkRon Gordon plan was the same to better and sell Hibs . The American way is a lot less setlementle than brit thinking . I've not heard anything different from my origional post saying it was a 25% buy in with an option to buy outright . The marketing oportunities in America [emoji631] for Hibernian using the Irish connection is not lost on Bill Foley . 31% of the American people claim irish ancestry. We will be playing in stars and stripes and walking out of Disneyland stadium [emoji909] before you know it. [emoji16]

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[Aldo]

I don’t think I should feel ashamed or that I’m necessarily a negative person for questioning somebody’s motives for wanting to get involved with Hibs.

We fans have all got long, different back stories regarding why we want to see Hibs succeed on the park.

Whilst I’m sure some will have honourable intentions (and will indeed go on to deliver success) football is littered with stories that end up going the other way.

We’ve criticised fans of other clubs, including our near neighbours, of not holding questionable previous owners to account. They nearly lost their club as a result of being appallingly run by a megalomaniac. I don’t think we can criticise them and then just merrily wave in ruthless business people just because they might make our football existence marginally less mediocre for a while.


There is also a slight difference between Mad Vlad and Foley. Vlad made his millions after he fleeced the gullible twice with share and ST money and Foley is a billionaire.

I have no doubt IG and co will do what’s best for the club, as they have done to date!

[superfurryhibby]

Some people seem to be worried about a takeover that isn't even on the cards.

Like you really know:greengrin

Still, it's better than talking about Trump :aok:

[Rumble de Thump]

Like you really know:greengrin

Still, it's better than talking about Trump :aok:

I know what everyone else knows. Our owners have said they have no intention of giving up their controlling stake in the club. Someone is keen to invest.

[Hibbyradge]

I've read every post on this thread and I'm now persuaded that walking away from the club is the way to go. I'm confused as to the timing, however.

Should I walk away as soon as the alleged 25% investment is announced? Or do I wait until Foley has a majority holding?

Do I wait until we start recruiting better players? Or should I walk when we've developed an EPL quality player and sell him to Bournemouth?

One thing I'm not confused about though: woe betide Hibs if we win something, though. As soon as that trophy is lifted above our captain's head, I'm off.

[Kato]

I've read every post on this thread and I'm now persuaded that walking away from the club is the way to go. I'm confused as to the timing, however.

Should I walk away as soon as the alleged 25% investment is announced? Or do I wait until Foley has a majority holding?

Do I wait until we start recruiting better players? Or should I walk when we've developed an EPL quality player and sell him to Bournemouth?

One thing I'm not confused about though: woe betide Hibs if we win something, though. As soon as that trophy is lifted above our captain's head, I'm off.Door-erse-dinny let it hit it on the way oot.

You'll be back anyway.

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[Hibbyradge]

Door-erse-dinny let it hit it on the way oot.

You'll be back anyway.

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:faf:

[superfurryhibby]

I know what everyone else knows. Our owners have said they have no intention of giving up their controlling stake in the club. Someone is keen to invest.

So, we have a potential investor. That is largely what's being discussed, what that might look like, what aspirations that would bring, what implications there might be.
If we aren't going to speculate wildly, what is the point of Hibs.Net?

Let the uninformed speculation continue unabated say I :greengrin

[jeffers]

I've read every post on this thread and I'm now persuaded that walking away from the club is the way to go. I'm confused as to the timing, however.

Should I walk away as soon as the alleged 25% investment is announced? Or do I wait until Foley has a majority holding?

Do I wait until we start recruiting better players? Or should I walk when we've developed an EPL quality player and sell him to Bournemouth?

One thing I'm not confused about though: woe betide Hibs if we win something, though. As soon as that trophy is lifted above our captain's head, I'm off.

Wait til you’ve missed out on a ticket for our CL final. That would be the time.

[Hibbyradge]

Wait til you’ve missed out on a ticket for our CL final. That would be the time.

Maybe. I just don't know if I could stomach us winning the league, tbh.

[jeffers]

Maybe. I just don't know if I could stomach us winning the league, tbh.

You must have seen us win the league before Dave ? 😜

[Centre Hawf]

Maybe. I just don't know if I could stomach us winning the league, tbh.

Reserve league last year was the tipping point for me to be honest.

[Lago]

A complete fairy tale of course, but I wonder what people's attitude would have been if Saudi had decided to go for Hibs rather than Newcastle?

[degenerated]

I've read every post on this thread and I'm now persuaded that walking away from the club is the way to go. I'm confused as to the timing, however.

Should I walk away as soon as the alleged 25% investment is announced? Or do I wait until Foley has a majority holding?

Do I wait until we start recruiting better players? Or should I walk when we've developed an EPL quality player and sell him to Bournemouth?

One thing I'm not confused about though: woe betide Hibs if we win something, though. As soon as that trophy is lifted above our captain's head, I'm off.I'm waiting for Simon pia and Paul kane to start protesting and for it to be declared a Ponzi scheme.

[jeffers]

A complete fairy tale of course, but I wonder what people's attitude would have been if Saudi had decided to go for Hibs rather than Newcastle?

Probably the same as Newcastle fans. Some wouldn’t accept it, the majority would overlook it when results on the pitch had a massive upturn.

[Donegal Hibby]

The guy doesn't need to make money - he's 70 & a billionaire.

What's in it for him? No doubt in my mind he wants the same as all of us - the glory of victory, the satisfaction of seeing something that you invested in growing and becoming successful, the adoration of the fans for helping to make a success of something they love, the excitement of attending European nights under the floodlights in one of the best cities in the world.

A positive person will see the philanthropic reasons, someone looking for a negative angle will only ask what financial gain he wants out of it.

His age or the fact he's a billionaire has nothing to do with the fact he's first an foremost a business man and most of these guys don't squander money on something without looking to gain something back in return.

My questions of what's in it for him ? and what price is it going to cost our club for all the millions folk think he's going to pump into us ? , are just genuine questions about the welfare of our club!.

You make it sound like he's going to be totally dedicated and we will be his main priority which of course is far from the truth of the matter , in a Bournemouth interview he said that he there was a strategic plan to acquire feeder clubs so they could move Bournemouth players around in order to develop them so they can take them back to Bournemouth.

Bournemouth will be and always will be Bill Foley's main priority . We know he's forming a club in New Zealand and bought shares in a french club while trying to acquire clubs in both Holland and Spain as well as ourselves which should have most Hibs fans wondering were our club will be in food chain.

There's been a lot of good talk from Foley about making us the third best team and playing in Europe regularly as well as him saying he wants to get Bournemouth moving gradually up the league and maybe at some point qualifying for Europe finishing 5th or 6th while trying to create a global Bournemouth fan base .He has said too that they only needed about 3 feeder clubs for Bournemouth which is now looking like 5 or 6 and that's if he stops there ! .I suppose all the other clubs fans are hopeful he's going to pump large amount of cash into them too ! .

I don't have a figure what our clubs valued at though if what's true in its around 24 % of Hibs he's acquiring , are we really going to get as much money thats going to make us better than the rest anyhow ? Alot of talk coming from Foley about making everything great at clubs , it's not the first time I've heard some American talking bull**** about making something great either !.

[Centre Hawf]

His age or the fact he's a billionaire has nothing to do with the fact he's first an foremost a business man and most of these guys don't squander money on something without looking to gain something back in return.

My questions of what's in it for him ? and what price is it going to cost our club for all the millions folk think he's going to pump into us ? , are just genuine questions about the welfare of our club!.

You make it sound like he's going to be totally dedicated and we will be his main priority which of course is far from the truth of the matter , in a Bournemouth interview he said that he there was a strategic plan to acquire feeder clubs so they could move Bournemouth players around in order to develop them so they can take them back to Bournemouth.

Bournemouth will be and always will be Bill Foley's main priority . We know he's forming a club in New Zealand and bought shares in a french club while trying to acquire clubs in both Holland and Spain as well as ourselves which should have most Hibs fans wondering were our club will be in food chain.

There's been a lot of good talk from Foley about making us the third best team and playing in Europe regularly as well as him saying he wants to get Bournemouth moving gradually up the league and maybe at some point qualifying for Europe finishing 5th or 6th while trying to create a global Bournemouth fan base .He has said too that they only needed about 3 feeder clubs for Bournemouth which is now looking like 5 or 6 and that's if he stops there ! .I suppose all the other clubs fans are hopeful he's going to pump large amount of cash into them too ! .

I don't have a figure what our clubs valued at though if what's true in its around 24 % of Hibs he's acquiring , are we really going to get as much money thats going to make us better than the rest anyhow ? Alot of talk coming from Foley about making everything great at clubs , it's not the first time I've heard some American talking bull**** about making something great either !.

I'm not really sure that matters to be honest, we're a dot on the horizon to whatever teams in Spain and Holland he ends up involved in as well as Bournemouth. Nothing really more than a destination to send some of their players on loan to or sell some of our best players to. Which is pretty much where we are at the moment.

[jeffers]

His age or the fact he's a billionaire has nothing to do with the fact he's first an foremost a business man and most of these guys don't squander money on something without looking to gain something back in return.

My questions of what's in it for him ? and what price is it going to cost our club for all the millions folk think he's going to pump into us ? , are just genuine questions about the welfare of our club!.

You make it sound like he's going to be totally dedicated and we will be his main priority which of course is far from the truth of the matter , in a Bournemouth interview he said that he there was a strategic plan to acquire feeder clubs so they could move Bournemouth players around in order to develop them so they can take them back to Bournemouth.

Bournemouth will be and always will be Bill Foley's main priority . We know he's forming a club in New Zealand and bought shares in a french club while trying to acquire clubs in both Holland and Spain as well as ourselves which should have most Hibs fans wondering were our club will be in food chain.

There's been a lot of good talk from Foley about making us the third best team and playing in Europe regularly as well as him saying he wants to get Bournemouth moving gradually up the league and maybe at some point qualifying for Europe finishing 5th or 6th while trying to create a global Bournemouth fan base .He has said too that they only needed about 3 feeder clubs for Bournemouth which is now looking like 5 or 6 and that's if he stops there ! .I suppose all the other clubs fans are hopeful he's going to pump large amount of cash into them too ! .

I don't have a figure what our clubs valued at though if what's true in its around 24 % of Hibs he's acquiring , are we really going to get as much money thats going to make us better than the rest anyhow ? Alot of talk coming from Foley about making everything great at clubs , it's not the first time I've heard some American talking bull**** about making something great either !.

The suggestions are he’s looking to invest in us, not buy us.

What was in it for Ron Gordon ? The only way he will make money on us is if he improves us, same with Ron.

As has been pointed out a number of times if we have players that are deemed worthy of playing for a Championship club never mind a PL one then it’s an upgrade on what we currently have.

Unless it does change and he becomes the majority owner a lot of your concerns are unfounded imo.

[Hibbyradge]

You must have seen us win the league before Dave ? 😜

Easy big boy!

[Tyler Durden]

His age or the fact he's a billionaire has nothing to do with the fact he's first an foremost a business man and most of these guys don't squander money on something without looking to gain something back in return.

My questions of what's in it for him ? and what price is it going to cost our club for all the millions folk think he's going to pump into us ? , are just genuine questions about the welfare of our club!.

You make it sound like he's going to be totally dedicated and we will be his main priority which of course is far from the truth of the matter , in a Bournemouth interview he said that he there was a strategic plan to acquire feeder clubs so they could move Bournemouth players around in order to develop them so they can take them back to Bournemouth.

Bournemouth will be and always will be Bill Foley's main priority . We know he's forming a club in New Zealand and bought shares in a french club while trying to acquire clubs in both Holland and Spain as well as ourselves which should have most Hibs fans wondering were our club will be in food chain.

There's been a lot of good talk from Foley about making us the third best team and playing in Europe regularly as well as him saying he wants to get Bournemouth moving gradually up the league and maybe at some point qualifying for Europe finishing 5th or 6th while trying to create a global Bournemouth fan base .He has said too that they only needed about 3 feeder clubs for Bournemouth which is now looking like 5 or 6 and that's if he stops there ! .I suppose all the other clubs fans are hopeful he's going to pump large amount of cash into them too ! .

I don't have a figure what our clubs valued at though if what's true in its around 24 % of Hibs he's acquiring , are we really going to get as much money thats going to make us better than the rest anyhow ? Alot of talk coming from Foley about making everything great at clubs , it's not the first time I've heard some American talking bull**** about making something great either !.


I don't think you need to repeat your concerns on an hourly basis on every page of the thread :aok:

[jeffers]

Easy big boy!

🤣 I was going to say 2016 was the second time you’d seen us lift the Scottish Cup.

[superfurryhibby]

I'm waiting for Simon pia and Paul kane to start protesting and for it to be declared a Ponzi scheme.

I'm waiting for further dilution of the small shareholders and HSL stake by a new share issue to accommodate Foley's 25% stake.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I don't think you need to repeat your concerns on an hourly basis on every page of the thread :aok:

Or just write it down in a notebook instead

[flash]

I'm waiting for further dilution of the small shareholders and HSL stake by a new share issue to accommodate Foley's 25% stake.

If that happens could HSL not purchase more shares?

[BoomtownHibees]

The usual mood hoovers on here probably told their bairns before their 2nd birthday that Santa didn’t exist.

Let folk dream FFS

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't think you need to repeat your concerns on an hourly basis on every page of the thread :aok:

Fair enough though all the ones on Foley making us great seem to be repeated on an hourly basis on every page of the thread though that seems to be ok :rolleyes:

[gbhibby]

If Foleys investment allows us to trump Hearts and other clubs on the park bring it on.😁

[JimBHibees]

If it happens let's see what the deal is before writing it off. No way imo are the Gordon's going to sell us short.

[McD]

His age or the fact he's a billionaire has nothing to do with the fact he's first an foremost a business man and most of these guys don't squander money on something without looking to gain something back in return.

My questions of what's in it for him ? and what price is it going to cost our club for all the millions folk think he's going to pump into us ? , are just genuine questions about the welfare of our club!.

You make it sound like he's going to be totally dedicated and we will be his main priority which of course is far from the truth of the matter , in a Bournemouth interview he said that he there was a strategic plan to acquire feeder clubs so they could move Bournemouth players around in order to develop them so they can take them back to Bournemouth.

Bournemouth will be and always will be Bill Foley's main priority . We know he's forming a club in New Zealand and bought shares in a french club while trying to acquire clubs in both Holland and Spain as well as ourselves which should have most Hibs fans wondering were our club will be in food chain.

There's been a lot of good talk from Foley about making us the third best team and playing in Europe regularly as well as him saying he wants to get Bournemouth moving gradually up the league and maybe at some point qualifying for Europe finishing 5th or 6th while trying to create a global Bournemouth fan base .He has said too that they only needed about 3 feeder clubs for Bournemouth which is now looking like 5 or 6 and that's if he stops there ! .I suppose all the other clubs fans are hopeful he's going to pump large amount of cash into them too ! .

I don't have a figure what our clubs valued at though if what's true in its around 24 % of Hibs he's acquiring , are we really going to get as much money thats going to make us better than the rest anyhow ? Alot of talk coming from Foley about making everything great at clubs , it's not the first time I've heard some American talking bull**** about making something great either !.


As was Ron Gordon, and Tom Farmer, James Anderson, and many others. All very successful business men, and I think it’s fair to say that to date, none have gained anything financially from putting their money into Hibs or Hearts. Foley may simple be keen to be a part of sporting successes and be the/a driving force behind it

[Donegal Hibby]

Probably the same as Newcastle fans. Some wouldn’t accept it, the majority would overlook it when results on the pitch had a massive upturn.

Different situations though. If the Saudi's came in and bought Hibs I wouldn't like it though would definitely go along with it if we were there main priority like Newcastle are ! .If they came in to buy shares in us as a feeder club for Newcastle like Foley's going to do . I'd be against it just like I am now .

[superfurryhibby]

If that happens could HSL not purchase more shares?

I don't think that was an option under Ron Gordon's ownership.

Given that the share shenanigans resulted in the dilution of the combined HSL/Small investor stake by c5%, why would anyone do that now. It accounted for rather a lot of fan money that 5%. I was never happy with that and thought it was wrong.

[Centre Hawf]

Different situations though. If the Saudi's came in and bought Hibs I wouldn't like it though would definitely go along with it if we were there main priority like Newcastle are ! .If they came in to buy shares in us as a feeder club for Newcastle like Foley's going to do . I'd be against it just like I am now .

You say you're against us being a feeder club but I'm not entirely sure why other than it being a bit of a hit to our sense of pride at no longer being the type of club that used to play and beat Newcastles and Liverpools circa 50/60 years ago, christ even Bournemouth 12/13 years ago we (probably) would have scudded them by 4 or 5, but the explosion of money in football over the last decade shows how much it has changed the entire landscape of the sport.

Times have changed massively and being a 'feeder' club doesn't take away who we are as a club in our community, the history, and what the DNA of our supporter base is. If Foley tried to change stuff that impacted that then I could understand and would be beside you pushing back. But I'm not going to get upset because we're a place for Bournemouth to send half decent youngster on loan to or to sell the next Josh Doig.

[Donegal Hibby]

As was Ron Gordon, and Tom Farmer, James Anderson, and many others. All very successful business men, and I think it’s fair to say that to date, none have gained anything financially from putting their money into Hibs or Hearts. Foley may simple be keen to be a part of sporting successes and be the/a driving force behind it

Ron Gordon came into the club probably because he wanted to own his own club and for the all the mistakes the guy made he had our best interest at heart and I think he genuinely cared for Hibs too , Tom Farmer had a connection to Hibs though wasn't a football man i think though done something we should always be grateful for in helping to save Hibs , Anderson I don't really know much about other than he rich and pumps money into hertz . As to Ron and Tom Farmer how many other clubs did they own at the time of there involvement with Hibs mate ?

[Alex Trager]

I'm not really sure that matters to be honest, we're a dot on the horizon to whatever teams in Spain and Holland he ends up involved in as well as Bournemouth. Nothing really more than a destination to send some of their players on loan to or sell some of our best players to. Which is pretty much where we are at the moment.

How do you envisage building a successful team in that manner?

As soon as they are at the level of the next level, lets say AZ, they’re off to AZ and we have to start again with a player who moves up from the level below us to get them up to our level.

I appreciate that happens now, but it doesn’t have to be that way, or at least it doesn’t need to happen so fast. Perhaps with a more structured approach to investments, we could keep our better players for a bit longer and get the team to be more successful?

[Mick O'Rourke]

If it happens let's see what the deal is before writing it off. No way imo are the Gordon's going to sell us short.

When Ron came to the club ,it was as we are told, after lengthy talks over a period of months.
I think that re assured most that Farmer and his representatives had did their due diligence on Ron before selling.
Yes i know. No one is saying Foley wants to buy the club ! Yet !!
As you say..
Lets wait and see if it is just an interest/investment with no strings attached/seat on the board etc.

Fans are entitled to be wanting to see more "meat on the bone" than a press release about a billionaire showing an interest and possible investment in Hibernian FC.

[Donegal Hibby]

You say you're against us being a feeder club but I'm not entirely sure why other than it being a bit of a hit to our sense of pride at no longer being the type of club that used to play and beat Newcastles and Liverpools circa 50/60 years ago, christ even Bournemouth 12/13 years ago we (probably) would have scudded them by 4 or 5, but the explosion of money in football over the last decade shows how much it has changed the entire landscape of the sport.

Times have changed massively and being a 'feeder' club doesn't take away who we are as a club in our community, the history, and what the DNA of our supporter base is. If Foley tried to change stuff that impacted that then I could understand and would be beside you pushing back. But I'm not going to get upset because we're a place for Bournemouth to send half decent youngster on loan to or to sell the next Josh Doig.

Times are indeed changing and not for the better football wise !. I've always been extremely proud of the football club with it's history and tradition though we have never in our history been apart of a group of clubs to serve another one and it really does turn us into a proper feeder club . Once this starts I don't think it will end there , we are all ready seeing Burnley in talks with Dundee , it will be probably be Aberdeen , hertz Dundee Utd , killie etc etc until all good Scottish clubs are English feeder clubs . For me this changes the identity of every Scottish team it happens to and makes a complete mockery of Scottish football in general. I find this situation with Foley far more depressing than any relegation or thumping we have taken of hertz in all honesty 😞

[Iain G]

Different situations though. If the Saudi's came in and bought Hibs I wouldn't like it though would definitely go along with it if we were there main priority like Newcastle are ! .If they came in to buy shares in us as a feeder club for Newcastle like Foley's going to do . I'd be against it just like I am now .

Feeder club! Why would this be a bad thing if indeed that was part of the plan?

Hibs get good quality players to develop (like we are doing with Tavares, Youan, Miller etc) who can see a route to top league English football, we improve our ability to attract better players, we get investment into the club to ensure we are at a higher level for training and development, and that all pours into a better first time and better youth development.

It is a way to improve on what we are currently trying to do.

To me it makes sense to evolve our current plan into the next level, and to improve Hibs on and off the pitch.

[Winston Ingram]

Has something happened in the last day or so for this thread to blow up like this?

[Iain G]

Has something happened in the last day or so for this thread to blow up like this?

Trump 🤣

[Iain G]

When Ron came to the club ,it was as we are told, after lengthy talks over a period of months.
I think that re assured most that Farmer and his representatives had did their due diligence on Ron before selling.
Yes i know. No one is saying Foley wants to buy the club ! Yet !!
As you say..
Lets wait and see if it is just an interest/investment with no strings attached/seat on the board etc.

Fans are entitled to be wanting to see more "meat on the bone" than a press release about a billionaire showing an interest and possible investment in Hibernian FC.

Am sure you will get all the meat and gristle and blood and cartilage that you want when they have something to say. First thing we knew about Ron wa when it was a done deal.

[Centre Hawf]

How do you envisage building a successful team in that manner?

As soon as they are at the level of the next level, lets say AZ, they’re off to AZ and we have to start again with a player who moves up from the level below us to get them up to our level.

I appreciate that happens now, but it doesn’t have to be that way, or at least it doesn’t need to happen so fast. Perhaps with a more structured approach to investments, we could keep our better players for a bit longer and get the team to be more successful?

As long as the club is adequately paid for these players then them being good enough to go to an Alkmaar or a Cadiz (just examples obviously) means we've had 1 or 2 years of great play out of them and hopefully aided us in being successful and money back into the pot to reinvest. That's basically the model we're operating under at the moment but without link to anyone.

For what it's worth I don't envisage a situation where our entire front line or defence will be made up of these lads and all move in one go. There will always be a Joe Newell, a Martin Boyle, a Chris Cadden who won't be of interest to these clubs but are doing the business for us all the same.


I find this situation with Foley far more depressing than any relegation or thumping we have taken of hertz in all honesty 😞

I do sympathise with your skepticism but to suggest you feel more depressed at this prospect than you did walking out of Hampden after that 5-1 final or throwing the lead to Hamilton I hope is just hyperbole.

[Winston Ingram]

Trump 🤣

FFS:rolleyes:

[jeffers]

Different situations though. If the Saudi's came in and bought Hibs I wouldn't like it though would definitely go along with it if we were there main priority like Newcastle are ! .If they came in to buy shares in us as a feeder club for Newcastle like Foley's going to do . I'd be against it just like I am now .

But as I keep repeating he’s not buying us, he’s investing. And like it or not we are already a feeder club for teams down south. I don’t expect us to be Bill Foley’s priority but we are and still will be to the Gordon’s

I’ll also repeat any player we had would need to be good enough for Bournemouth to want, they wouldn’t just take them cos of any tie in with the clubs . When was the last time we lost a player to the English Premier League ?

[Mick O'Rourke]

Am sure you will get all the meat and gristle and blood and cartilage that you want when they have something to say. First thing we knew about Ron was when it was a done deal.Yes,that was the case at the press conference introducing Ron.
I trust the Gordons are at present doing just what Farmer and Petrie did back then.

Am not after meat and gristle,but i am thinking this may all go on into the new year.
Might have been better if it was kept in house until our owners were satisfied with any involvement/investment from Foley.
But then i am no expert on how these business deals work or pan out.
My financial expertees? goes about as far as paying my(ever increasing) bills by DD:greengrin

[Aldo]

Times are indeed changing and not for the better football wise !. I've always been extremely proud of the football club with it's history and tradition though we have never in our history been apart of a group of clubs to serve another one and it really does turn us into a proper feeder club . Once this starts I don't think it will end there , we are all ready seeing Burnley in talks with Dundee , it will be probably be Aberdeen , hertz Dundee Utd , killie etc etc until all good Scottish clubs are English feeder clubs . For me this changes the identity of every Scottish team it happens to and makes a complete mockery of Scottish football in general. I find this situation with Foley far more depressing than any relegation or thumping we have taken of hertz in all honesty [emoji20]

So you are happy for us to get thumped by our rivals regularly and planking than get investment that would allow us to bring in better players.

O and if you didn’t already know we are a feeder club in a chain of feeder clubs.

So by your comments you won’t be proud of the club should this investment go through?

[SickBoy32]

Hearts were embarrassed by Brora whilst receiving more investment than we're likely to get.

Hearts with all this investment were hanging on (at home) in the last derby to avoid defeat.

Aberdeen were humbled by Darvel whilst in receipt of additional investment.

Aberdeen with all this investment only got to the LC final as we were robbed by VAR.

This notion that it's a certainty that we'll have better players, better results - appears to me to be more wishful thinking than anything evidence based.

There are quite rightly a lot of concerns being raised around the benefits to the club of this potential investment.

A share dilution as mentioned by another poster would be a calamity, and not too unlikely IMO, given the Gordon's previous MO.

[Callum_62]

Hearts were embarrassed by Brora whilst receiving more investment than we're likely to get.

Hearts with all this investment were hanging on (at home) in the last derby to avoid defeat.

Aberdeen were humbled by Darvel whilst in receipt of additional investment.

Aberdeen with all this investment only got to the LC final as we were robbed by VAR.

This notion that it's a certainty that we'll have better players, better results - appears to me to be more wishful thinking than anything evidence based.

There are quite rightly a lot of concerns being raised around the benefits to the club of this potential investment.

A share dilution as mentioned by another poster would be a calamity, and not too unlikely IMO, given the Gordon's previous MO.

Are you saying better players done equate to better results?

The 2 clubs you have mentioned have also just played European group stage football

[HoboHarry]

Happy Thanksgiving Day to all. Especially our soon to be owner Bill Foley and future owner Donald Trump.



:greengrin

[RMQ1967]

Hearts were embarrassed by Brora whilst receiving more investment than we're likely to get.

Hearts with all this investment were hanging on (at home) in the last derby to avoid defeat.

Aberdeen were humbled by Darvel whilst in receipt of additional investment.

Aberdeen with all this investment only got to the LC final as we were robbed by VAR.

This notion that it's a certainty that we'll have better players, better results - appears to me to be more wishful thinking than anything evidence based.

There are quite rightly a lot of concerns being raised around the benefits to the club of this potential investment.

A share dilution as mentioned by another poster would be a calamity, and not too unlikely IMO, given the Gordon's previous MO.

You conveniently leave out the part that both Aberdeen & Hearts have qualified for the group stages of European competition in the last 2 years 🙄

[Aldo]

Hearts were embarrassed by Brora whilst receiving more investment than we're likely to get.

Hearts with all this investment were hanging on (at home) in the last derby to avoid defeat.

Aberdeen were humbled by Darvel whilst in receipt of additional investment.

Aberdeen with all this investment only got to the LC final as we were robbed by VAR.

This notion that it's a certainty that we'll have better players, better results - appears to me to be more wishful thinking than anything evidence based.

There are quite rightly a lot of concerns being raised around the benefits to the club of this potential investment.

A share dilution as mentioned by another poster would be a calamity, and not too unlikely IMO, given the Gordon's previous MO.

What you are posting happens in football regardless of investment or size of club. Results like that have always happened and will continue to do so.

Of course there are going to be concerns but can you not see any positives from this??

And sorry I must have missed it but what’s the Gordon’s previous MO

[Mick O'Rourke]

Happy Thanksgiving Day to all. Especially our soon to be owner Bill Foley and future owner Donald Trump.



:greengrin

Having in the past lived in Denver during this time,i know how big T/Day is... so good wishes.
I do hope though,that the former guy soon gets the same treatment as millions of Turkeys in the USA have been having this past week or so !

[Brightside]

I do sympathise with your skepticism but to suggest you feel more depressed at this prospect than you did walking out of Hampden after that 5-1 final or throwing the lead to Hamilton I hope is just hyperbole.

I doubt he was there.

[CapitalGreen]

Hearts were embarrassed by Brora whilst receiving more investment than we're likely to get.

Hearts with all this investment were hanging on (at home) in the last derby to avoid defeat.

Aberdeen were humbled by Darvel whilst in receipt of additional investment.

Aberdeen with all this investment only got to the LC final as we were robbed by VAR.

This notion that it's a certainty that we'll have better players, better results - appears to me to be more wishful thinking than anything evidence based.

There are quite rightly a lot of concerns being raised around the benefits to the club of this potential investment.

A share dilution as mentioned by another poster would be a calamity, and not too unlikely IMO, given the Gordon's previous MO.

The only people who are using the word “certainty” are those against it who are using it as straw man argument.

Out of interest, why would a new share issue be a calamity?

[Bridge hibs]

Happy Thanksgiving Day to all. Especially our soon to be owner Bill Foley and future owner Donald Trump.



:greengrin27420

[HoboHarry]

Having in the past lived in Denver during this time,i know how big T/Day is... so good wishes.
I do hope though,that the former guy soon gets the same treatment as millions of Turkeys in the USA have been having this past week or so !

Did you mean latter guy Mick? 😁

[Mick O'Rourke]

Did you mean latter guy Mick? ��


Touche!
Very quick !!
Former guy at the WH ,of course :greengrin
The delusional dangerous insurectionist.
You know .....the mandarin orange mental case !!
OFOTCN

[Centre Hawf]

Hearts were embarrassed by Brora whilst receiving more investment than we're likely to get.

Hearts with all this investment were hanging on (at home) in the last derby to avoid defeat.

Aberdeen were humbled by Darvel whilst in receipt of additional investment.

Aberdeen with all this investment only got to the LC final as we were robbed by VAR.

This notion that it's a certainty that we'll have better players, better results - appears to me to be more wishful thinking than anything evidence based.

There are quite rightly a lot of concerns being raised around the benefits to the club of this potential investment.

A share dilution as mentioned by another poster would be a calamity, and not too unlikely IMO, given the Gordon's previous MO.

No one suggests it would be a guarantee that Foley's money would make us a guaranteed third, but it would certainly give us an extra edge we don't currently have.

[SickBoy32]

What you are posting happens in football regardless of investment or size of club. Results like that have always happened and will continue to do so.

Of course there are going to be concerns but can you not see any positives from this??

And sorry I must have missed it but what’s the Gordon’s previous MO

If results like that always happen, and always continue to happen, I'm not sure bringing up a cup final loss vs a financially bloated hearts, or a playoff defeat to Hamilton hold much weight - as these will happen again we're saying?

A positive would obviously be the influx of whatever £ Foley is putting into the club, but this needs measured against the risks that may arise from doing so.

To me, being a cheap farm to send Bournemouth prospects (could well be 3rd rate prospects, as if it turns out clubs are acquired in Holland & Spain then I'd guess we'll be below them in the pecking order in terms of quality players coming our way) is not a good model for the club to follow.

Pretty sure RG issued new shares around the time of the takeover? (Diluting HSL and individual shareholders in the process)

[CropleyWasGod]

If results like that always happen, and always continue to happen, I'm not sure bringing up a cup final loss vs a financially bloated hearts, or a playoff defeat to Hamilton hold much weight - as these will happen again we're saying?

A positive would obviously be the influx of whatever £ Foley is putting into the club, but this needs measured against the risks that may arise from doing so.

To me, being a cheap farm to send Bournemouth prospects (could well be 3rd rate prospects, as if it turns out clubs are acquired in Holland & Spain then I'd guess we'll be below them in the pecking order in terms of quality players coming our way) is not a good model for the club to follow.

Pretty sure RG issued new shares around the time of the takeover? (Diluting HSL and individual shareholders in the process)

That isn't possible now, without a 75% vote in favour.

[Aldo]

A positive would obviously be the influx of whatever £ Foley is putting into the club, but this needs measured against the risks that may arise from doing so.

To me, being a cheap farm to send Bournemouth prospects (could well be 3rd rate prospects, as if it turns out clubs are acquired in Holland & Spain then I'd guess we'll be below them in the pecking order in terms of quality players coming our way) is not a good model for the club to follow.

Pretty sure RG issued new shares around the time of the takeover? (Diluting HSL and individual shareholders in the process)

We are already a farm and feeder club for bigger and richer clubs.

How do you know we will be 2nd, 3rd or at the bottom of the pile. You’ve no evidence of this and is pure speculation.

Surely if this makes us better then it’s a win. Players outwith our reach suddenly become available to us??

I’m not saying we will be an overnight success but this will allow us to move in the right direction getting better quality into the team

[CapitalGreen]

That isn't possible now, without a 75% vote in favour.

75% of votes cast voting in favour or 75% of all shares issued voting in favour?

[Itsnoteasy]

As was Ron Gordon, and Tom Farmer, James Anderson, and many others. All very successful business men, and I think it’s fair to say that to date, none have gained anything financially from putting their money into Hibs or Hearts. Foley may simple be keen to be a part of sporting successes and be the/a driving force behind it

Ann Budge done awrite. She got more back than her investment.

[CropleyWasGod]

75% of votes cast in favour or 75% of all shares issued voting in favour?

Votes cast.

Which means that those not in favour would need to mobilise their case.

[matty_f]

We are already a farm and feeder club for bigger and richer clubs.

How do you know we will be 2nd, 3rd or at the bottom of the pile. You’ve no evidence of this and is pure speculation.

Surely if this makes us better then it’s a win. Players outwith our reach suddenly become available to us??

I’m not saying we will be an overnight success but this will allow us to move in the right direction getting better quality into the team

I don't have an issue with us being a feeder club, especially if it's to a Premier League side. Let's face, we're not producing players at that standard at the moment so it would be a step up from us losing our best players to the Championship (and Serie A).

I don't think we'd be 'lumbered' with signings we don't want, either. Foley wants Hibs in Europe regularly, to do that he needs Hibs functioning successfully, so our own recruitment strategy has to be first class to take advantage of any investment.

[SickBoy32]

We are already a farm and feeder club for bigger and richer clubs.

How do you know we will be 2nd, 3rd or at the bottom of the pile. You’ve no evidence of this and is pure speculation.

Surely if this makes us better then it’s a win. Players outwith our reach suddenly become available to us??

I’m not saying we will be an overnight success but this will allow us to move in the right direction getting better quality into the team

True, but we are currently at liberty to choose which players and which clubs we do business with - flexibility in this area gives us a better choice and it follows a better chance of signing good players.

Will Bournemouth be happy if we want to loan an Egan-Riley from Burnley, a Harry Clarke from Arsenal? I doubt it personally. So we'll have a smaller pool of players to potentially sign and improve the team.

It is speculation, but I'd imagine their better prospects will be sent to the better teams / leagues?

Are Bournemouth youth players (on a loan deal) currently out with our reach? I don't think so to be honest.

[Aldo]

I don't have an issue with us being a feeder club, especially if it's to a Premier League side. Let's face, we're not producing players at that standard at the moment so it would be a step up from us losing our best players to the Championship (and Serie A).

I don't think we'd be 'lumbered' with signings we don't want, either. Foley wants Hibs in Europe regularly, to do that he needs Hibs functioning successfully, so our own recruitment strategy has to be first class to take advantage of any investment.

My take on it Matty.

[Aldo]

True, but we are currently at liberty to choose which players and which clubs we do business with - flexibility in this area gives us a better choice and it follows a better chance of signing good players.

Will Bournemouth be happy if we want to loan an Egan-Riley from Burnley, a Harry Clarke from Arsenal? I doubt it personally. So we'll have a smaller pool of players to potentially sign and improve the team.

It is speculation, but I'd imagine their better prospects will be sent to the better teams / leagues?

Are Bournemouth youth players (on a loan deal) currently out with our reach? I don't think so to be honest.

Am I missing something here. So you think we can and will only be able to sign players from the so called group of teams??

Why would you think that?

We will have the opportunity to sign some players but will still be able to sign players from other teams outwith the group?

[SickBoy32]

Am I missing something here. So you think we can and will only be able to sign players from the so called group of teams??

Why would you think that?

We will have the opportunity to sign some players but will still be able to sign players from other teams outwith the group?

Nah, I think if we still want to sign Dylan Tait from Raith, or Boyle from Dundee that would still be acceptable.

I don't think Foley will be looking to invest millions in us, to then watch us develop prospects for their EPL rivals (assuming Bournemouth maintain their status in the top league) - what would be the point in that from his point of view?

I take it you agree that their better youth players will head to La Liga or Eredivise rather than coming to the SPL?

[jeffers]

True, but we are currently at liberty to choose which players and which clubs we do business with - flexibility in this area gives us a better choice and it follows a better chance of signing good players.

Will Bournemouth be happy if we want to loan an Egan-Riley from Burnley, a Harry Clarke from Arsenal? I doubt it personally. So we'll have a smaller pool of players to potentially sign and improve the team.

It is speculation, but I'd imagine their better prospects will be sent to the better teams / leagues?

Are Bournemouth youth players (on a loan deal) currently out with our reach? I don't think so to be honest.

So you think the Gordons will still be our majority shareholders but we’ll be obliged to make our signing decisions based on what Bournemouth/Bill Foley dictate ? What difference will our signings really make to Bournemouth or the other clubs he has a stake in ? If anything it will give us an advantage over other Scottish clubs when it comes to them deciding who they loan players too. However I can’t see Brian McDermott or Monty accepting players we don’t want, neither strike me as yes men.

[HoboHarry]

There are some fertile imaginations at work on this thread lol.

[Paulie Walnuts]

True, but we are currently at liberty to choose which players and which clubs we do business with - flexibility in this area gives us a better choice and it follows a better chance of signing good players.

Will Bournemouth be happy if we want to loan an Egan-Riley from Burnley, a Harry Clarke from Arsenal? I doubt it personally. So we'll have a smaller pool of players to potentially sign and improve the team.

It is speculation, but I'd imagine their better prospects will be sent to the better teams / leagues?

Are Bournemouth youth players (on a loan deal) currently out with our reach? I don't think so to be honest.

Your second paragraph is a reasonable concern imo.

If we’re looking for a centre half for example and there’s one needing game time at Bournemouth, will we be expected to take them?

[Aldo]

Nah, I think if we still want to sign Dylan Tait from Raith, or Boyle from Dundee that would still be acceptable.

I don't think Foley will be looking to invest millions in us, to then watch us develop prospects for their EPL rivals (assuming Bournemouth maintain their status in the top league) - what would be the point in that from his point of view?

I take it you agree that their better youth players will head to La Liga or Eredivise rather than coming to the SPL?

But he will only be a minority shareholder and as Jeffers has posted if we don’t want the player they won’t be added.

You are again speculating so no I cannot agree. It won’t be a one way street and by your reckoning we will be getting the dross. Again I cannot see this happening.

You just cannot take any positives from this and never will.

[CapitalGreen]

Nah, I think if we still want to sign Dylan Tait from Raith, or Boyle from Dundee that would still be acceptable.

I don't think Foley will be looking to invest millions in us, to then watch us develop prospects for their EPL rivals (assuming Bournemouth maintain their status in the top league) - what would be the point in that from his point of view?

I take it you agree that their better youth players will head to La Liga or Eredivise rather than coming to the SPL?

Develop players to make a profit.

Brighton’s owner Tony Bloom owns Union St Gilloise in Belgium, they sold players for over €30m in the summer, none of which signed for Brighton.

[Aldo]

Your second paragraph is a reasonable concern imo.

If we’re looking for a centre half for example and there’s one needing game time at Bournemouth, will we be expected to take them?

No because if they are any good they will be heading to La liga or Holland. Well that’s the word according to Sickboy.

If he’s good enough why not but only if he’s better than what we have and will improve us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So you think the Gordons will still be our majority shareholders but we’ll be obliged to make our signing decisions based on what Bournemouth/Bill Foley dictate ? What difference will our signings really make to Bournemouth or the other clubs he has a stake in ? If anything it will give us an advantage over other Scottish clubs when it comes to them deciding who they loan players too. However I can’t see Brian McDermott or Monty accepting players we don’t want, neither strike me as yes men.

I’m not sure it’s nearly as far fetched as you think.

His whole reason for buying a share in the club seems to revolve around player trading. It doesn’t seem that outlandish to me that he would then want certain assurances that where possible we’d keep things in house so to speak.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No because if they are any good they will be heading to La liga or Holland. Well that’s the word according to Sickboy.

If he’s good enough why not but only if he’s better than what we have and will improve us.

Do you think that’s a far fetched idea? If a player is good enough to play in Spain or the Netherlands and Foley acquires teams in those leagues then that’s where they’ll go. Players who are already above our level won’t be making their way here from Bournemouth just for the sake of it imo.

[Aldo]

I’m not sure it’s nearly as far fetched as you think.

His whole reason for buying a share in the club seems to revolve around player trading. It doesn’t seem that outlandish to me that he would then want certain assurances that where possible we’d keep things in house so to speak.

Of course there will be assurances to an extent but to suggest we won’t be able to invest in other players from other teams because he’s investing is off the mark for me.

[CapitalGreen]

Do you think that’s a far fetched idea? If a player is good enough to play in Spain or the Netherlands and Foley acquires teams in those leagues then that’s where they’ll go. Players who are already above our level won’t be making their way here from Bournemouth just for the sake of it imo.

How is that any different to what happens now? Players who are good enough to play in Spain or Netherlands will choose to play there over Scotland as it is, whether Foley buys into us or not doesn’t change that. However, if Foley wants players to come to the UK and to expedite their work permit process, then there is benefits to them coming here over playing in better teams in Spain or Netherlands.

[SickBoy32]

But he will only be a minority shareholder and as Jeffers has posted if we don’t want the player they won’t be added.

You are again speculating so no I cannot agree. It won’t be a one way street and by your reckoning we will be getting the dross. Again I cannot see this happening.

You just cannot take any positives from this and never will.

Could equally say it's just speculation on your part, that a billionaire in his twilight years will invest millions into a random Scottish club - without any guarantees and allow that club total control over what players we accept.

If this leads to us winning a trophy I'd be delighted, however I have concerns which I have tried to explain the reasoning for.

[matty_f]

Do you think that’s a far fetched idea? If a player is good enough to play in Spain or the Netherlands and Foley acquires teams in those leagues then that’s where they’ll go. Players who are already above our level won’t be making their way here from Bournemouth just for the sake of it imo.

I think it would depend on how many players they're signing. Each of the cubs had a finite squad size and if you take a Dutch player as an example, he might be one of four or five players in that position identified as being good enough to play in the Premiership in the next few years.


Without the multi club ownership, they can only sign one or two of them if they're to develop them with first team football, but here they could sign them all and put one straight on loan to us, or we sign two and the Dutch side signs two etc.

There are definitely advantages to the model that suit all parties.

[Aldo]

Do you think that’s a far fetched idea? If a player is good enough to play in Spain or the Netherlands and Foley acquires teams in those leagues then that’s where they’ll go. Players who are already above our level won’t be making their way here from Bournemouth just for the sake of it imo.

It’s not but what about players that need game time etc that are on the fringes. Hey have a squad of what 25/27 listed in EPL so there will be players that may have been outwith our level but could be given the opportunity.

[McD]

Ron Gordon came into the club probably because he wanted to own his own club and for the all the mistakes the guy made he had our best interest at heart and I think he genuinely cared for Hibs too , Tom Farmer had a connection to Hibs though wasn't a football man i think though done something we should always be grateful for in helping to save Hibs , Anderson I don't really know much about other than he rich and pumps money into hertz . As to Ron and Tom Farmer how many other clubs did they own at the time of there involvement with Hibs mate ?



Foley won’t own Hibs though mate, the Gordon family will still be the owners, he’s investing, not owning (yet anyway)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Of course there will be assurances to an extent but to suggest we won’t be able to invest in other players from other teams because he’s investing is off the mark for me.

Nobody knows whether it’s off the mark as we know absolutely nothing about the deal, hence why at this point it can be listed as a concern.

He could come in, throw some money around and say ‘Brian, Ben, Ian, go nuts, spend it as you please’. He could come in and say ‘I’ll only buy the 25% if we focus on improving players who are already within the group, so Bournemouth - Lorient - Hibs - Auckland is the hierarchy and players will move up or down based on this. If there’s no suitable players within the group then you can look outwith to find them, but first port of call is working within the group, take it or leave it.’

It’s a perfectly valid concern imo.

I’ve said before that I want this to go through, but I can absolutely see why folk have concerns as well.

[jeffers]

I’m not sure it’s nearly as far fetched as you think.

His whole reason for buying a share in the club seems to revolve around player trading. It doesn’t seem that outlandish to me that he would then want certain assurances that where possible we’d keep things in house so to speak.

Until it transpires that the Gordon family have sold everything to Bill Foley I’m willing to trust that they are entering into any deal on the basis that it will be good for Hibs, not what is good for Bill Foley and his interests. Of course I’d expect some crossover, but not to the extent that we will be doormats.

I’m looking at this as a great opportunity not the big negative some seem to be viewing it as. Of course none of us know how things will pan out and I absolutely get the concerns. If it was/becomes a complete takeover then yes I will have a slightly different take.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think it would depend on how many players they're signing. Each of the cubs had a finite squad size and if you take a Dutch player as an example, he might be one of four or five players in that position identified as being good enough to play in the Premiership in the next few years.


Without the multi club ownership, they can only sign one or two of them if they're to develop them with first team football, but here they could sign them all and put one straight on loan to us, or we sign two and the Dutch side signs two etc.

There are definitely advantages to the model that suit all parties.

Absolutely, I agree there’s potential advantages. Depending on how we approach it, there’s also potentially disadvantages. Will be interesting if it even happens to see how it’s all set up.

[CropleyWasGod]

Foley won’t own Hibs though mate, the Gordon family will still be the owners, he’s investing, not owning (yet anyway)

If the rumoured 25% is true, their "ownership" will be 42%. In other words, vulnerable to being outvoted.

[Aldo]

Could equally say it's just speculation on your part, that a billionaire in his twilight years will invest millions into a random Scottish club - without any guarantees and allow that club total control over what players we accept.

If this leads to us winning a trophy I'd be delighted, however I have concerns which I have tried to explain the reasoning for.

The bit about him investing is not speculation it’s currently being discussed with the club and Foley.

I’m sure that IG and co along with BM and NM will make sure this benefits Hibs in the long run.

[Aldo]

Nobody knows whether it’s off the mark as we know absolutely nothing about the deal, hence why at this point it can be listed as a concern.

He could come in, throw some money around and say ‘Brian, Ben, Ian, go nuts, spend it as you please’. He could come in and say ‘I’ll only buy the 25% if we focus on improving players who are already within the group, so Bournemouth - Lorient - Hibs - Auckland is the hierarchy and players will move up or down based on this. If there’s no suitable players within the group then you can look outwith to find them, but first port of call is working within the group, take it or leave it.’

It’s a perfectly valid concern imo.

I’ve said before that I want this to go through, but I can absolutely see why folk have concerns as well.

Of course it has to suit Hibs but I’m sure IG and co will make sure it’s us that benefits from any investment in the first instance.

[jeffers]

If the rumoured 25% is true, their "ownership" will be 42%. In other words, vulnerable to being outvoted.

Anything I’ve heard is that the figure is off and the Gordon family would still have an overall majority.

[Since90+2]

If the rumoured 25% is true, their "ownership" will be 42%. In other words, vulnerable to being outvoted.

Would that not require HSL to vote alongside Foley? I can only imagine that would happen if Foley had turned out to be a good thing for the club.

[A Hi-Bee]

As I dont have no crystal ball, it presents no concerns to me after watching Hibs for as long as I have, I go along to see them every other Sat, or whatever days the t.v dictates.
I just want to go along now with the time I have left to watch a better team than we have just now, that takes (hard earned or not) cash.
It would be Foley otherwise.

GGTTH

[HoboHarry]

As I dont have no crystal ball, it presents no concerns to me after watching Hibs for as long as I have, I go along to see them every other Sat, or whatever days the t.v dictates.
I just want to go along now with the time I have left to watch a better team than we have just now, that takes (hard earned or not) cash.
It would be Foley otherwise.

GGTTH

Well said, would be hard to trump that.....

[Alex Trager]

As long as the club is adequately paid for these players then them being good enough to go to an Alkmaar or a Cadiz (just examples obviously) means we've had 1 or 2 years of great play out of them and hopefully aided us in being successful and money back into the pot to reinvest. That's basically the model we're operating under at the moment but without link to anyone.

For what it's worth I don't envisage a situation where our entire front line or defence will be made up of these lads and all move in one go. There will always be a Joe Newell, a Martin Boyle, a Chris Cadden who won't be of interest to these clubs but are doing the business for us all the same.



I do sympathise with your skepticism but to suggest you feel more depressed at this prospect than you did walking out of Hampden after that 5-1 final or throwing the lead to Hamilton I hope is just hyperbole.

You’re right, it is no different to now. I wonder if we could improve our players contracts so much so (the good players) that we would get longevity, and additional year perhaps, out of some of them.

It doesn’t seem that much, but a group of good/quality players playing together for an additional year could see us win trophies.

It may not.

I’m just trying to see it from the other side. I am a but skeptical about the other teams in the group coming in and reaping the benefits of our hard work, before we actualise the benefits for ourselves.

As we have said, that’s essentially what happens now but I am just wondering if we could change that.

Maybe not, if we got a good Dundee player, we’d need to pay him good money. Our wriggle room would be small in terms of putting him to the top of the scale, and if there was interest, an additional £2.5K a week or something is unlikely to keep him here, when the interest would most likely be double or trebling our offer.

[Lago]

But as I keep repeating he’s not buying us, he’s investing. And like it or not we are already a feeder club for teams down south. I don’t expect us to be Bill Foley’s priority but we are and still will be to the Gordon’s

I’ll also repeat any player we had would need to be good enough for Bournemouth to want, they wouldn’t just take them cos of any tie in with the clubs . When was the last time we lost a player to the English Premier League ?
And hopefully a feeder club for better than Millwall or Watford.

[A Hi-Bee]

Well said, would be hard to trump that.....

Did you know that Boris was originally an American, he gave his citizenship up cause the IRS was after him, for profits of around 800k he made on selling a wee hoose in London.
They are all good old boys.

:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Anything I’ve heard is that the figure is off and the Gordon family would still have an overall majority.

Sorry, I thought you had said Foley would have 25% earlier.

So Foley's share would be, at the most, 17%?

[jeffers]

Sorry, I thought you had said Foley would have 25% earlier.

So Foley's share would be, at the most, 17%?

One of the articles I read said it was 24.9% but when I questioned it was told any deal would mean that the Gordon family remained as majority shareholders. Of course until it’s finalised things can change, but the constant message I’ve received is that the Gordon family are committed to seeing Ron’s vision through.

[HoboHarry]

Did you know that Boris was originally an American, he gave his citizenship up cause the IRS was after him, for profits of around 800k he made on selling a wee hoose in London.
They are all good old boys.

:greengrin

I actually did know that, learned it when I read his biography of Churchill. I just regard him in the same way as I view all politicians, with none of my opinions printable :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

One of the articles I read said it was 24.9% but when I questioned it was told any deal would mean that the Gordon family remained as majority shareholders. Of course until it’s finalised things can change, but the constant message I’ve received is that the Gordon family are committed to seeing Ron’s vision through.

... which are incompatible as things stand.

There are 2 possible scenarios which might make them compatible:-

1. new shares (as discussed, it's not certain that could happen).

2. some of the current shareholders are selling to BF. (insert conspiracy theories about the nominee shareholdings here.....:cb)

[Donegal Hibby]

So you are happy for us to get thumped by our rivals regularly and planking than get investment that would allow us to bring in better players.

O and if you didn’t already know we are a feeder club in a chain of feeder clubs.

So by your comments you won’t be proud of the club should this investment go through?

No I'm not happy to get thumped by our rivals regularly though this scenario imo is alot worse for Hibs as it will be for Scottish football in turning it into a reserve League for English premier football clubs , if your happy about that
great 👍. All club's sell players as we do , we have sold players to English , Russian , Saudi Arabia etc but we have never been in a pyramid of clubs in the order to make one better , this is making us far more a feeder club than we have ever been before! . I support Hibs not some feeder team for Bournemouth . F*** Foley and Bournemouth. Anyhow most of you all seem for it after listening to Foley's promises of riches and good times which he's probably spouting in new Zealand , Holland, Spain , France and god knows we're else so I'll leave it there 👍

[CapitalGreen]

No I'm not happy to get thumped by our rivals regularly though this scenario imo is alot worse for Hibs as it will be for Scottish football in turning it into a reserve League for English premier football clubs , if your happy about that
great 👍. All club's sell players as we do , we have sold players to English , Russian , Saudi Arabia etc but we have never been in a pyramid of clubs in the order to make one better , this is making us far more a feeder club than we have ever been before! . I support Hibs not some feeder team for Bournemouth . F*** Foley and Bournemouth. Anyhow most of you all seem for it after listening to Foley's promises of riches and good times which he's probably spouting in new Zealand , Holland, Spain , France and god knows we're else so I'll leave it there 👍

“Scottish football in turning it into a reserve League for English premier football clubs”

You keep repeating the above ad nauseam but I don’t think I understand what you mean.

- Can you explain how Scottish Football would become a reserve league for English football?

- Have other leagues where such partnerships exist with EPL clubs become reserve leagues for the EPL? The Danish, Belgian, Spanish top flights for example? If not, why would Scotland be different?

[Aldo]

No I'm not happy to get thumped by our rivals regularly though this scenario imo is alot worse for Hibs as it will be for Scottish football in turning it into a reserve League for English premier football clubs , if your happy about that
great [emoji106]. All club's sell players as we do , we have sold players to English , Russian , Saudi Arabia etc but we have never been in a pyramid of clubs in the order to make one better , this is making us far more a feeder club than we have ever been before! . I support Hibs not some feeder team for Bournemouth . F*** Foley and Bournemouth. Anyhow most of you all seem for it after listening to Foley's promises of riches and good times which he's probably spouting in new Zealand , Holland, Spain , France and god knows we're else so I'll leave it there [emoji106]

After watching Hibs (Newcastle too) since the 70’s I’m fed up with Hibs plodding along season after season just being pish with the odd good game and maybe just maybe a trophy.

Investment is needed to take us to the next level which is consistently good and to do that we need better players.

We have the opportunity for investment and I’m going to embrace it when it happens.

[Dalianwanda]

No I'm not happy to get thumped by our rivals regularly though this scenario imo is alot worse for Hibs as it will be for Scottish football in turning it into a reserve League for English premier football clubs , if your happy about that
great 👍. All club's sell players as we do , we have sold players to English , Russian , Saudi Arabia etc but we have never been in a pyramid of clubs in the order to make one better , this is making us far more a feeder club than we have ever been before! . I support Hibs not some feeder team for Bournemouth . F*** Foley and Bournemouth. Anyhow most of you all seem for it after listening to Foley's promises of riches and good times which he's probably spouting in new Zealand , Holland, Spain , France and god knows we're else so I'll leave it there 👍

bet you don’t 😅

[Hibbyradge]

Nobody knows whether it’s off the mark as we know absolutely nothing about the deal, hence why at this point it can be listed as a concern.

He could come in, throw some money around and say ‘Brian, Ben, Ian, go nuts, spend it as you please’. He could come in and say ‘I’ll only buy the 25% if we focus on improving players who are already within the group, so Bournemouth - Lorient - Hibs - Auckland is the hierarchy and players will move up or down based on this. If there’s no suitable players within the group then you can look outwith to find them, but first port of call is working within the group, take it or leave it.’

It’s a perfectly valid concern imo.

I’ve said before that I want this to go through, but I can absolutely see why folk have concerns as well.

I don't think that would happen, but if it did, I wouldn't be overly concerned. If a player came to us and wasn't good enough, he'd be transferred out. What would be the point of keeping players who made the team worse?

I agree with you though, that it's not unreasonable for people to have concerns but imagination is pretty much always worse than the reality.

[Kato]

Times are indeed changing and not for the better football wise !. I've always been extremely proud of the football club with it's history and tradition though we have never in our history been apart of a group of clubs to serve another one and it really does turn us into a proper feeder club . Once this starts I don't think it will end there , we are all ready seeing Burnley in talks with Dundee , it will be probably be Aberdeen , hertz Dundee Utd , killie etc etc until all good Scottish clubs are English feeder clubs . For me this changes the identity of every Scottish team it happens to and makes a complete mockery of Scottish football in general. I find this situation with Foley far more depressing than any relegation or thumping we have taken of hertz in all honesty [emoji20]>off<

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[flash]

There is definitely some mischief making going on in this thread for my cash.

[jeffers]

... which are incompatible as things stand.

There are 2 possible scenarios which might make them compatible:-

1. new shares (as discussed, it's not certain that could happen).

2. some of the current shareholders are selling to BF. (insert conspiracy theories about the nominee shareholdings here.....:cb)

Sorry maybe not being clear. I was told the article suggesting it was 24.9% was inaccurate, not that he was buying that while allowing the Gordon family to remain majority shareholders.

[superfurryhibby]

“Scottish football in turning it into a reserve League for English premier football clubs”

You keep repeating the above ad nauseam but I don’t think I understand what you mean.

- Can you explain how Scottish Football would become a reserve league for English football?

- Have other leagues where such partnerships exist with EPL clubs become reserve leagues for the EPL? The Danish, Belgian, Spanish top flights for example? If not, why would Scotland be different?

The implications of Brexit, hence we will see more young SCottish talent disappear ala Ethan Laidlaw in coming years?

That is surely a significant difference to factor in when considering player trading.

[HoboHarry]

The implications of Brexit, hence we will see more young SCottish talent disappear ala Ethan Laidlaw in coming years?

That is surely a significant difference to factor in when considering player trading.

It's already the case, celtic lost a couple to Bayern, sevco lost Gilmore for peanuts and are possibly going to lose McCausdale (spelling?) amongst others.

[Donegal Hibby]

bet you don’t 😅

:bye:

[O'Rourke3]

Multiple club ownership across leagues.Vladimir Romanov 'cough'

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[CapitalGreen]

The implications of Brexit, hence we will see more young SCottish talent disappear ala Ethan Laidlaw in coming years?

That is surely a significant difference to factor in when considering player trading.

That already happens and will continue to happen whether Foley invests or not.

[CropleyWasGod]

Sorry maybe not being clear. I was told the article suggesting it was 24.9% was inaccurate, not that he was buying that while allowing the Gordon family to remain majority shareholders.

Gotcha :aok:

That makes more sense.

[ancient hibee]

There are some fertile imaginations at work on this thread lol.

All depends on the quality of the compost.

[A Hi-Bee]

All depends on the quality of the compost.

I reckon a lot of compost has gone into this thread, almost clickbait like at times.
:thumbsup:

[Mick O'Rourke]

I reckon a lot of compost has gone into this thread, almost clickbait like at times.
:thumbsup:

You might even say a lot of horse manure.

[gbhibby]

All depends on the quality of the compost.
Just wish Foley would slurry up and invest.

[J-C]

Different situations though. If the Saudi's came in and bought Hibs I wouldn't like it though would definitely go along with it if we were there main priority like Newcastle are ! .If they came in to buy shares in us as a feeder club for Newcastle like Foley's going to do . I'd be against it just like I am now .

Who said this?

We used to be a feeder club for the old firm for many a year, and recently have lost our best players to Championship teams, this deal if it goes through allows us to pay more wages for better players and also loan far better players from the other clubs he has an interest in.

[HoboHarry]

You might even say a lot of horse manure.

The .net humor polis will be shouting neigh mare in a minute..
.

[PHeffernan]

It's already the case, celtic lost a couple to Bayern, sevco lost Gilmore for peanuts and are possibly going to lose McCausdale (spelling?) amongst others.

Celtic lost Ben Doak to Liverpool and
Rangers lost Rory Wilson to Aston Villa
They are the 2 quality players plundered from them

You may not of heard much of Wilson.
This is him scoring a hatrick for Villa.
Check the quality of his first finish from 1 min in this clip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9j6v0H41So

[HoboHarry]

Celtic lost Ben Doak to Liverpool and
Rangers lost Rory Wilson to Aston Villa
They are the 2 quality players plundered from them

You may not of heard much of Wilson.
This is him scoring a hatrick for Villa.
Check the quality of his first finish from 1 min in this clip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9j6v0H41So

I'd forgotten about Wilson TBH. I'd prefer that pair going to the Euros than Jacob Brown and McBurnie lol....

[CapitalGreen]

Celtic lost Ben Doak to Liverpool and
Rangers lost Rory Wilson to Aston Villa
They are the 2 quality players plundered from them

You may not of heard much of Wilson.
This is him scoring a hatrick for Villa.
Check the quality of his first finish from 1 min in this clip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9j6v0H41So

It could be argued that we have more chance of keeping our best youngsters for longer if we have a relationship with an EPL club. There would be no need for an EPL team to take a promising youngster at 16/17 if they knew that they’d have first dibs on the players at 19/20.

[PHeffernan]

I'd forgotten about Wilson TBH. I'd prefer that pair going to the Euros than Jacob Brown and McBurnie lol....

They are still too young, Doak just turned 18 and Wilson will turn 18 soon.

Ben Doak is a grumpy wee sod.
I watched the U21 game against Hungary game a few days ago and he moaned at the ref all game until eventually booked. Not overawed playing against players 3 years older than himself. He already has great core strength which means despite being small he bounces off folk instead of being pushed of the ball.

[PHeffernan]

It could be argued that we have more chance of keeping our best youngsters for longer if we have a relationship with an EPL club. There would be no need for an EPL team to take a promising youngster at 16/17 if they knew that they’d have first dibs on the players at 19/20.

Agreed, it gives them a visible and natural career path.

[CapitalGreen]

They are still too young, Doak just turned 18 and Wilson will turn 18 soon.

Ben Doak is a grumpy wee sod.
I watched the U21 game against Hungary game a few days ago and he moaned at the ref all game until eventually booked. Not overawed playing against players 3 years older than himself. He already has great core strength which means despite being small he bounces off folk instead of being pushed of the ball.

No such thing as too young - they are either good enough or not. They probably won’t be taken to Germany because they aren’t good enough yet, they won’t be staying at home due to their age.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The .net humor polis will be shouting neigh mare in a minute..
.

There’s a yellow card in there somewhere Shirley ? ;)

[Musselbound]

No such thing as too young - they are either good enough or not. They probably won’t be taken to Germany because they aren’t good enough yet, they won’t be staying at home due to their age.

I'd agree - Doak not done enough yet at club or U-21 level. Unless it really happens for him in the next 6 months but I think that's unlikely.

[PHeffernan]

No such thing as too young - they are either good enough or not. They probably won’t be taken to Germany because they aren’t good enough yet, they won’t be staying at home due to their age.

Not strong enough
Not mature enough
Not experienced enough
It all comes in time

[CapitalGreen]

Not strong enough
Not mature enough
Not experienced enough
It all comes in time

Yup, all factors which contribute to being not good enough (yet).

[A Hi-Bee]

Looking forward to seeing better players at Easter Road over the next year or so, with the cash coming in all the jambo's should be pleased, it means for once we can compete on an equal level finance wise. They should be happy for us, not having to carve out pegs doon Leith way just to make ends meet.
The Atillas and the sheep will just bigot and bleat around which is an even better reason for B. Foley to invest. Bring back the great European nights to Easter Road, I cannie wait.
:thumbsup:

[greenlex]

This place used to be a great place for information and a bit if banter.

[JohnM1875]

This place used to be a great place for information and a bit if banter.

Totally. Been mental on here the past few months

[Since90+2]

Thread is like a playground, he said she said.

[.Sean.]

Any wonder folk get fed up and post less and less when threads resort to childlike tit for tat. Better than threads getting ruined with dross puns though I suppose!

[Green Badger]

I didn't think this thread could get any worse.

[HNA12]

Thread closed while we tidy it up. No need for the petty bickering, it’s ruining a decent thread.

[HNA12]

And open again.
Please play nice. :greengrin

[J-C]

Aw what did I miss?

[HibbyAndy]

This time next year we will be playing in the Champions league

I for one cannot wait , Strap yersels in gentlemen :cb

[Joe6-2]

Is this Foley business happening?

[sleeping giant]

Is this Foley business happening?

Not heard a peep for a few weeks now.

[Joe6-2]

Not heard a peep for a few weeks now.

That’s why I asked 🤷

[Dalianwanda]

Is this Foley business happening?

No one knows exactly what’s happening & i doubt there will be anything till / if somethings agreed. To be fair Hibs have never mentioned anything since it was first mentioned.

[greenlex]

Aw what did I miss?

Playground bitching.

[A Hi-Bee]

The main man is in New Zealand just now, buying up most of the North Island, he will get around to Hibs soon enough.Roll on the European Nights once more, cannie wait.
GGTTH
:flag::flag::flag:

[Gordy M]

No one knows exactly what’s happening & i doubt there will be anything till / if somethings agreed. To be fair Hibs have never mentioned anything since it was first mentioned.

I wonder if they dont want to announce a large injection of cash just before the January window? Might increase the price of targets? Not sure if they legally have to announce a sale of shares etc or can wait til later?

[McD]

I wonder if they dont want to announce a large injection of cash just before the January window? Might increase the price of targets? Not sure if they legally have to announce a sale of shares etc or can wait til later?



I’d be satisfied with the announcement taking the form of the parading of a new 3million signing at half time on the 27th of December :greengrin

[Torto7]

I wonder if they dont want to announce a large injection of cash just before the January window? Might increase the price of targets? Not sure if they legally have to announce a sale of shares etc or can wait til later?

They might also wait until after the window if they think it might raise expectations too much.

[Haymaker]

Any wonder folk get fed up and post less and less when threads resort to childlike tit for tat. Better than threads getting ruined with dross puns though I suppose!

Or :hyper

[HoboHarry]

Or :hyper

Hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving Day mate :aok:

[Haymaker]

Hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving Day mate :aok:

Aye was Great until this morning! Hungover doesn't cover it!

Leftovers were good though. Hope yours was good down there in Texas?

[HoboHarry]

Aye was Great until this morning! Hungover doesn't cover it!

Leftovers were good though. Hope yours was good down there in Texas?

Excellent, nearby family always eat at ours so we had a 22lb bird and endless wine. No hangover but did have a glass or three :greengrin

[Haymaker]

Excellent, nearby family always eat at ours so we had a 22lb bird and endless wine. No hangover but did have a glass or three :greengrin

Lucky you! :greengrin

[Gmack7]

All very quiet on this over the past week,

[JohnM1875]

All very quiet on this over the past week,

Think it’s the whole City Football Group nonsense all over again.

Don’t think the Gordons want to give up a majority and I’m sure any serious investor will be looking for exactly that.

[007]

Think it’s the whole City Football Group nonsense all over again.

Don’t think the Gordons want to give up a majority and I’m sure any serious investor will be looking for exactly that.

Or discussions are ongoing and they're not going to give us an update every 5 minutes.

[JohnM1875]

Or discussions are ongoing and they're not going to give us an update every 5 minutes.

Prefer your scenario but I’m resigned to mine

[Hibbyradge]

Would people be happier with the idea if it was Crystal Palace instead of Bournemouth?

[WhileTheChief..]

Not too fussed about where the multi-million investment comes from. Bigger the better. :greengrin

[CallumLaidlaw]

Would people be happier with the idea if it was Crystal Palace instead of Bournemouth?

Is that a hint?


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[Lago]

Prefer your scenario but I’m resigned to mine
Like you I don't think it will happen, maybe based on some conversations but nothing substantial so it will just die off.

[A Hi-Bee]

Like you I don't think it will happen, maybe based on some conversations but nothing substantial so it will just die off.

:xsmilesign not in the know just a feeling, we are in for some good things in the not too distant future.

[TrinityHFC]

Like you I don't think it will happen, maybe based on some conversations but nothing substantial so it will just die off.

It is still happening. Think some of the press are picking back up on it. Will be announced in next few weeks.

[SteveHFC]

https://x.com/scotmailsport/status/1733254551052915071?s=46&t=MW7rW9XsaY_rH0m4EYSRhg

Looks like Foley is going to have a stake in the club.

[Greencore]

https://x.com/scotmailsport/status/1733254551052915071?s=46&t=MW7rW9XsaY_rH0m4EYSRhg

Looks like Foley is going to have a stake in the club.
BOURNEMOUTH owner Bill Foley is closing in on a final agreement to purchase a minority stake in Hibernian. **

Lawyers for the two sides are poring over the details of a landmark multi-million pound agreement.

And the SFA could be asked to relax their rules on dual ownership at a Hampden board meeting this week.

Article 13 prohibits club owners from becoming involved in the management or administration of another team without the prior written permission of the board. * Yet to receive a formal proposal, the governing body will consider any request to revise their stance on a case by case basis.*

Burnley’s American owners ALK Capital have also entered talks with Dundee over a feeder club arrangement. And speaking to Mail Sport last month, SFA president Mike Mulraney warned that any proposals will be carefully vetted. ‘We are not looking to change the rule,’ he said. ‘Article 13 is Article 13. My job as president of the SFA is to make sure that protects the integrity of the Scottish game and builds the economy of the game.’

While the precise terms of the deal have yet to emerge, Hibs have denied suggestions that Bournemouth will assume full technical control over the club’s football operations in return for a minority share of the club.

As well as Bournemouth, Foley already has a substantial investment in France’s FC Lorient as well as Ice Hockey team Vegas Golden Knights.
And, speaking at a press conference to launch a club from Auckland in Australia’s * *A-League, the billionaire spoke of his plans to move into Scottish football.

‘This is going to be a pathway for a lot of young people to move up, get into the A-League and then perhaps move on, go to Scotland,’ said the American.*

‘If they can go to the top of the pyramid, then they go to Bournemouth in the Premier League.*

‘We have teams that we’re working with right now in terms of making investments in Scotland and in the Netherlands.*

‘So it’s a multi-club strategy and this A-League team is going to do very, very well here.’*

Addressing concerns that an influx of young Cherries fringe players might damage the prospects of young players on the cusp of a first-team breakthrough at Easter Road, former academy chief Steve Kean backed the current hierarchy to protect the club’s long-term interests.

‘There is another side to that scenario where, if young Hibs players do get in the team and do well, then they could go the other way.*

‘But I don’t think Hibs fans or directors would want Hibs to simply become a feeder club for Bournemouth.

It’s such a big club and it has its own unique identity.

‘Malcolm McPherson (non-executive chairman), (CEO) Ben Kensell and Ian Gordon know what they are doing.

‘Those guys are so committed to overseeing the direction of the club since Ron (Gordon) passed away that I think they would make sure everything was ironed out to ensure the club was going one way only. So I’m sure that if this was to happen they would make sure everyone was on the same page.’

Hibs, meanwhile, have agreed a £1million deal to sell striker Elias Melkersen to Norwegian side Stromsgodset.*

Signed from Norwegian side Bodø/Glimt for £300,000 in January last year Melkersen scored just three goals in 32 appearances.

Sent on loan to Stromsgodset in the summer, the Norwegian attacker will now head home on a permanent basis.

[Iain G]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67670226

Fat yam McLaughlin has copied and pasted the story for the BBC.

Can't get his facts right though where he mentions the NZ A League, lazy excuses for a journalist.

[Not So Young]

‘This is going to be a pathway for a lot of young people to move up, get into the A-League and then perhaps move on, go to Scotland,’ said the American.*

‘If they can go to the top of the pyramid, then they go to Bournemouth in the Premier League.*


This bit raises a few red flags for me

[Since90+2]

‘This is going to be a pathway for a lot of young people to move up, get into the A-League and then perhaps move on, go to Scotland,’ said the American.*

‘If they can go to the top of the pyramid, then they go to Bournemouth in the Premier League.*


This bit raises a few red flags for me

Why? We don't currently have players good enough to play in the Premier League.

If we suddenly start producing players who can play at that level, we'll be bringing in more in transfer fees than currently and have a better team whilst that quality of player is at us.

[Greencore]

‘This is going to be a pathway for a lot of young people to move up, get into the A-League and then perhaps move on, go to Scotland,’ said the American.*

‘If they can go to the top of the pyramid, then they go to Bournemouth in the Premier League.*


This bit raises a few red flags for me

Not me

This is what happens to the ugly sisters every season

Buy cheap
Sell high to epl.
Atleast he's honest about it
Why would a player epl quality stay at hibs?

[Smartie]

Not me

This is what happens to the ugly sisters every season

Buy cheap
Sell high to epl.
Atleast he's honest about it
Why would a player epl quality stay at hibs?

If we were fortunate enough to have an EPL quality player, accepting they probably wouldn’t want to spend their entire career at Easter Road would it be more in our interests to flog them to the highest bidder or to quickly shuffle them up the chain to Bournemouth?

[badabing67]

Just seen this

Proposed Billy Foley stake in Hibs to be discussed with Scottish FA - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67670226)

[Hibs90]

Just seen this

Proposed Billy Foley stake in Hibs to be discussed with Scottish FA - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67670226)

SFA will veto it probably...

If it's within the rules as the article states, then why do Hibs need permission from the SFA?

[MikeyS]

Just seen this

Proposed Billy Foley stake in Hibs to be discussed with Scottish FA - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67670226)

Looks like we are getting a Sugar Daddy for Xmas then!

[JohnM1875]

SFA will veto it probably...

If it's within the rules as the article states, then why do Hibs need permission from the SFA?

Do find that a bit weird as well. It’s a minority stake so shouldn’t matter.

[matty_f]

Do find that a bit weird as well. It’s a minority stake so shouldn’t matter.

I would guess he’ll be keen to gradually increase his stake so will want assurances that it’ll be ok.

[CropleyWasGod]

Just seen this

Proposed Billy Foley stake in Hibs to be discussed with Scottish FA - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67670226)

That last paragraph is just not true.

[Posh Swanny]

If we were fortunate enough to have an EPL quality player, accepting they probably wouldn’t want to spend their entire career at Easter Road would it be more in our interests to flog them to the highest bidder or to quickly shuffle them up the chain to Bournemouth?

I assume the key argument on that front is that we will only be fortunate enough to have such player because of Foley’s spending power. We rarely have any players good enough to go straight to the EPL from Hibs, let alone having 2/3 of them in the team at the same time!

[Joe6-2]

That last paragraph is just not true.

Look who the reporter is, fat 🤡

[Rumble de Thump]

If ther's one thing the Sevco fiasco taught us, it's that football reporters are not financial experts.

[Greencore]

January transfer window should be fun.

[Smartie]

I assume the key argument on that front is that we will only be fortunate enough to have such player because of Foley’s spending power. We rarely have any players good enough to go straight to the EPL from Hibs, let alone having 2/3 of them in the team at the same time!

True, plus if we’re somewhere in the middle of a chain of clubs that has Bournemouth at the top, maybe we’d also enjoy favourable terms when receiving players from lower down the chain?

[worcesterhibby]

Bournemouth starting to look like a decent EPL team again..currently beating Man Utd at Old Trafford and Sitting mid-table after beating Crystal palace, Burnely and Newcastle in recent weeks and Drawing with Villa. There are at least five teams much worse than them in the league so I don't think there's any concern about relegation, as some on here were suggesting. I suspect they will finish pretty much where they are now.. smewhere between 10th and 14th. If we are being set up to supply players capable of playing for Bournemouth, then we are in for a fun ride. My only concern would be that we might be further down the chain, and actually be more likely to supply players to Lorient, who would be the club between us and Bournemouth in the transfer chain.

[badabing67]

That last paragraph is just not true.


This you mean

"If the Scottish FA give Hibs the green light to progress, any proposed sale of shares would have to be ratified by shareholders at the annual general meeting, which is likely to take place in the new year."

[GloryGlory]

That last paragraph is just not true.

Is that the bit about needing approval at the AGM? Would that not only be if there is a new share issue? If Foley is buying a part of the Gordons shareholding that wouldn't be the case.

[CapitalGreen]

Is that the bit about needing approval at the AGM? Would that not only be if there is a new share issue? If Foley is buying a part of the Gordons shareholding that wouldn't be the case.

If Foley is buying the Gordon’s shareholding then the club isn’t getting the money.

[matty_f]

If Foley is buying the Gordon’s shareholding then the club isn’t getting the money.

Unless they agree to put the money into the club.

[Hibernian Verse]

There’s no way the club would be investing time and money (through lawyers) if they hadn’t been given an informal nod by the SFA.

[CapitalGreen]

Unless they agree to put the money into the club.

Which they could do now if they wanted to without giving up any of their equity.

[JohnM1875]

There’s no way the club would be investing time and money (through lawyers) if they hadn’t been given an informal nod by the SFA.

Really hope so

[matty_f]

Which they could do now if they wanted to without giving up any of their equity.

Yeah but they might not want to take cash that they have today at he levels that are going to be put in, to put into the club.

[CropleyWasGod]

Is that the bit about needing approval at the AGM? Would that not only be if there is a new share issue? If Foley is buying a part of the Gordons shareholding that wouldn't be the case.

If it's new shares, the AGM bit is wrong. It's just not the business of an AGM. That would have to be a separate meeting, albeit it could be on the same day.

And, if it's not new shares, the entire paragraph is wrong :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Foley’s Bournemouth the form team in the EPL right now. If not for conceding a last minute equaliser against Villa they would be 5 wins from 5.

27466

[A Hi-Bee]

:xsmilesign

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Foley’s Bournemouth the form team in the EPL right now. If not for conceding a last minute equaliser against Villa they would be 5 wins from 5.

27466

I know the EPL is a totally different ball game and it's all about money, but for a club who's stadium holds less than Dens Park, it's an incredible achievement they survive in the Premier League never mind going to Old Trafford and winning 3-0.

[flash]

I think as a goodwill gesture Bournemouth should loan us Solanke in January.

He has turned into a magnificent striker.

[Since90+2]

If we were fortunate enough to have an EPL quality player, accepting they probably wouldn’t want to spend their entire career at Easter Road would it be more in our interests to flog them to the highest bidder or to quickly shuffle them up the chain to Bournemouth?

Conversely, if Foley owns both clubs (I know at this time it's a minority he'd own) why would he want to harm one of the clubs?

The finances involved in our players would be relatively small to a Premier League team so I can't see a situation arising where Foley is going to harm, both in terms of the finances and his relationship with it's supporters, with one of his own clubs.

[bingo70]

Conversely, if Foley owns both clubs (I know at this time it's a minority he'd own) why would he want to harm one of the clubs?

The finances involved in our players would be relatively small to a Premier League team so I can't see a situation arising where Foley is going to harm, both in terms of the finances and his relationship with it's supporters, with one of his own clubs.

Not sure if it’s the same thing but L’orient fans aren’t happy with him because he sold one of their players on the cheaper to Bournemouth.

The player was with them before Foley got involved, there’s nobody at Hibs just now we would have that concern about. Anybody being brought in to go up the food chain would be bought with our new money so we’d have to just accept that’s what the deal is. Get players we couldn’t previously afford and will likely lose them quicker than normal. I’m fine with that deal.

[Since90+2]

Not sure if it’s the same thing but L’orient fans aren’t happy with him because he sold one of their players on the cheaper to Bournemouth.

The player was with them before Foley got involved, there’s nobody at Hibs just now we would have that concern about. Anybody being brought in to go up the food chain would be bought with our new money so we’d have to just accept that’s what the deal is. Get players we couldn’t previously afford and will likely lose them quicker than normal. I’m fine with that deal.

Without knowing the Orient player it's hard to know if he went cheaply. It's a rare instance that smaller clubs believe they have got the value of a player, it's always the case they think it should be more.

We lost McGinn to Villa for what now looks like a ridiculously low figure.

We'll never know but if the link of with Bournemouth was in place I'd guess there would have been a good chance he'd have went there, and the fact they are a Premier League club, rather than Championship which Villa were when he left, possibly the transfer fee might have been higher.

[number9dream]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64341225

£20m seems like a decent deal for Lorient.
Two league starts this season... Our Bournemouth overlords should him up here for more game time and then those Frenchies will really be raging.

[Bridge hibs]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64341225

£20m seems like a decent deal for Lorient.
Two league starts this season... Our Bournemouth overlords should him up here for more game time and then those Frenchies will really be raging.

So could be loaned out to us for a bit more experience, I like that 😀

[greenginger]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64341225

“Foley promised to strengthen manager Gary O’Neil’s side “. !

Scotlands obviously not alone in having crap football journalists.

[Bridge hibs]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64341225

“Foley promised to strengthen manager Gary O’Neil’s side “. !

Scotlands obviously not alone in having crap football journalists.They signed him January past and he has played 20 odd games for Bournemouth so Gary O’Neil was probably manager then

[ScottB]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64341225

“Foley promised to strengthen manager Gary O’Neil’s side “. !

Scotlands obviously not alone in having crap football journalists.

The article is from January when he was in charge.

[greenginger]

The article is from January when he was in charge.

Oops !

[JohnM1875]

Oops !

https://media1.tenor.com/m/RYzg1kcf05UAAAAd/limmy-double-down.gif

[matty_f]

https://x.com/scottmillar1/status/1733935885920452716?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A


Hard not to get excited, reading this.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Hard not to get hard to be honest.

[Tambo]

If things go through then I expect some money available in January, I don't think we need to spend crazy to secure 3rd, we just need the right players and this will be Montys first window.

[chippy]

If things go through then I expect some money available in January, I don't think we need to spend crazy to secure 3rd, we just need the right players and this will be Montys first window.

3 maybe 4 experienced quality players would do it I reckon

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Hard not to get hard to be honest.

🤣🤣🤣

[Hibernian Verse]

It's not outwith the realms of possibility that enough investment in Hibs could see us as the European flag bearers for his group.

It'll be hard work for Lorient to break PSG, and Bournemouth will never break that top 4 in England.

Being consistent against the teams outside the Old Firm would see us challenging at the top end.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I hope they understand this is the last year of 3rd place getting access to guaranteed group stage European football cash and are preparing to strengthen in January as such

We'll surely see another decent spend in the summer but getting it right in January cannot be understated

[Springbank]

If things go through then I expect some money available in January, I don't think we need to spend crazy to secure 3rd, we just need the right players and this will be Montys first window.

David Turnbull
Beck, the Dundee left back
Ryan Strain

That would do it imo

[Hibernian Verse]

I hope they understand this is the last year of 3rd place getting access to guaranteed group stage European football cash and are preparing to strengthen in January as such

We'll surely see another decent spend in the summer but getting it right in January cannot be understated

The season after is potentially also guaranteed groups, but depends on Rangers performance and the nations around us (I think Austria & Switzerland, might be wrong)

[Hibernian Verse]

David Turnbull
Beck, the Dundee left back
Ryan Strain

That would do it imo

Reckon if we get a bit of money, Celtic and Rangers will be the last teams that want to do any business with us.

[Dmas]

David Turnbull
Beck, the Dundee left back
Ryan Strain

That would do it imo

Turnbull! It’s Matt O’reilly we should be taking off them send them a message

[Not In The Know]

https://x.com/scottmillar1/status/1733935885920452716?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A


Hard not to get excited, reading this.


just add our name to this portfolio pleas!!

https://www.ryansportsventures.com/

[Not In The Know]

It's not outwith the realms of possibility that enough investment in Hibs could see us as the European flag bearers for his group.

It'll be hard work for Lorient to break PSG, and Bournemouth will never break that top 4 in England.

Being consistent against the teams outside the Old Firm would see us challenging at the top end.


I said something similar a while back. Gtd there will be some sort of European super league at some point. Edinburgh is a premier capital city in Europe. It makes sense for it to have a team at the top table. I can see us being the no1 in the portfolio.

[jacomo]

Not sure if it’s the same thing but L’orient fans aren’t happy with him because he sold one of their players on the cheaper to Bournemouth.

The player was with them before Foley got involved, there’s nobody at Hibs just now we would have that concern about. Anybody being brought in to go up the food chain would be bought with our new money so we’d have to just accept that’s what the deal is. Get players we couldn’t previously afford and will likely lose them quicker than normal. I’m fine with that deal.


Ok I’ll accept £20m for Youan so long as the proceeds get reinvested in the squad.

[King Cosell]

David Turnbull
Beck, the Dundee left back
Ryan Strain

That would do it imo

Kieffer Moore caught my eye. Bournemouth signed him from Cardiff in Jan last year for £5million. Welsh international striker, 31yo, 6'4. Only made 6 league appearances (probably from the bench) this season.

[Torto7]

Kieffer Moore caught my eye. Bournemouth signed him from Cardiff in Jan last year for £5million. Welsh international striker, 31yo, 6'4. Only made 6 league appearances (probably from the bench) this season.

I'd doubt players like that will be available to us. It's more likely to be young guys they sign who aren't ready for Ligue 1 with us being a level below Lorient. That should still be a higher level of player than what we currently have access to though.

[Nicho87]

I’d bid for Shankland just for banter

[NAE NOOKIE]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64341225

£20m seems like a decent deal for Lorient.
Two league starts this season... Our Bournemouth overlords should him up here for more game time and then those Frenchies will really be raging.

:faf:

[Hibs4185]

I’d bid for Shankland just for banter

Even Foley couldn’t afford his pizza bill

[Hibees1973]

David Turnbull
Beck, the Dundee left back
Ryan Strain

That would do it imo

Add on O'Hara from St Mirren. A significant upgrade on other defensive midfielders we have.

[matty_f]

If we’re going to be spending billionaire’s money I hope we’re not shopping in the SPFL, if I’m being honest.

[chippy]

If we’re going to be spending billionaire’s money I hope we’re not shopping in the SPFL, if I’m being honest.

Yep that’s my view too. Let’s get some European quality

[Mcbizz1998]

Yep that’s my view too. Let’s get some European quality

It is January though, always difficult to get good players but might be able to poach a few of the better players from the prem.

[ScottB]

If we’re going to be spending billionaire’s money I hope we’re not shopping in the SPFL, if I’m being honest.

Wouldn’t that be one of the reasons to have a Scottish club though? In recent years there’s a couple guys playing in the Prem or Championship down south that started out in the lower leagues up here. Plus they’d count towards homegrown players for us, and potentially Bournemouth too?

While us also being a kind of work permit back door for foreign players into the UK will presumably be part of it, having us sign and develop promising Scottish talent will hopefully be a big part of it.

[norhfc]

This is getting pretty exciting. I surprised myself by cheering when the Man U v Bournemouth result came up 😂

[gbhibby]

Let's not get too excited yet as the SPFL will block the investment as they will not want to upset the Ugly Sisters.

[K-Zazu]

Let's not get too excited yet as the SPFL will block the investment as they will not want to upset the Ugly Sisters.

This is my feeling too

[Centre Hawf]

If we’re going to be spending billionaire’s money I hope we’re not shopping in the SPFL, if I’m being honest.

Just a reminder that you need a certain amount of homegrown players (either in the nation or at the club) to compete in Europe. Something I always forget when doing my summer business on Football Manager until the registration comes round :greengrin

[MagicSwirlingShip]

If we’re going to be spending billionaire’s money I hope we’re not shopping in the SPFL, if I’m being honest.

Why not? Weakens the opposition and strengthens us.

[ScottB]

Let's not get too excited yet as the SPFL will block the investment as they will not want to upset the Ugly Sisters.

The Old Firm’s own value probably goes up if they can also be acquired / invested in by multi club models.

Not to say that they would be, but adds more potential bidders to the market.

[HoboHarry]

Why not? Weakens the opposition and strengthens us.

We are already at the top end of the table, we wouldn't have to strengthen a whole lot to leave the rest (uglies aside) in our rear view mirror so weakening them doesnt really come into it. It's in our own hands unless all of this talk about investment amounts to just that, talk.

[badabing67]

If we’re going to be spending billionaire’s money I hope we’re not shopping in the SPFL, if I’m being honest.

Why not there is good talent here at bargain prices, have you not noticed that. The Italian's have, and so have Villa for example.

[Ringothedog]

Let's not get too excited yet as the SPFL will block the investment as they will not want to upset the Ugly Sisters.

It’s not the SPFL it would be the SFA

[Since452]

Wee £1 million bid for Shankland in January? Imagine the meltdown :greengrin

[Greencore]

Can't wait for us to win 3 in a row and have our new influx of fans display "Parkhead Hibernian" banners at Celtc Park.

[HoboHarry]

Wee £1 million bid for Shankland in January? Imagine the meltdown :greengrin

Oh hell no, I'd be feart they accepted the bid.

[matty_f]

Wouldn’t that be one of the reasons to have a Scottish club though? In recent years there’s a couple guys playing in the Prem or Championship down south that started out in the lower leagues up here. Plus they’d count towards homegrown players for us, and potentially Bournemouth too?

While us also being a kind of work permit back door for foreign players into the UK will presumably be part of it, having us sign and develop promising Scottish talent will hopefully be a big part of it.

Only if they’re destined for the Premier League.

[matty_f]

Why not there is good talent here at bargain prices, have you not noticed that. The Italian's have, and so have Villa for example.

It’s few and far between though. If there’s good enough in the league then by all means, go for it, but I’m not sure that the players mentioned fit that description.

[ancient hibee]

Was going to ask about the substance of this but after reading the posts I realised there must be many different substances floating about.:greengrin

[MagicSwirlingShip]

It’s few and far between though. If there’s good enough in the league then by all means, go for it, but I’m not sure that the players mentioned fit that description.

If we can identify high performers in other teams in this league that would be available, we could supplement them with foreign signings. They may need extra time to settle

[matty_f]

If we can identify high performers in other teams in this league that would be available, we could supplement them with foreign signings. They may need extra time to settle

Yeah, agree with that. I think/hope that we're going to need a shift of mindset though, and without wanting to go all Romanov-era Hearts fan, if the investors and the Gordons are serious about this opportunity and are genuinely going to fund the team towards success, then we need to completely change our thinking and remove all the things that have traditionally limited us due to the constraints of existing in the one/two team world of Scottish football for the last 40 years and beyond.

We need to look at the talent in Scottish football with a view that if the players wouldn't get into Rangers or Celtic's team, then they won't get into ours unless we see something in them that Rangers and Celtic have missed (like we did with McGinn, for example).

Those players come along very rarely though. We sold McGinn about five/six years ago, I think - before that I can't remember us trading a player at that level since the Golden Generation in Mowbray's time - Leigh Griffiths maybe?

And there aren't many other teams doing that, Andy Robertson went down to England years ago as well but you see English teams scooping up young Scottish talent much earlier now, so while we will look at Scotland, we can't limit ourselves.

I'm getting carried away, of course, but the potential here is for a properly seismic shift in Scottish football. And I think we'll pave the way for others to look at Scotland to invest and so we need to be good, quickly to get an advantage.

If they're serious and put their money where their mouth is, then we are looking at a completely different ball game to what all of us have known before.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Love it matty, exciting times.

I think it may take a few windows of gradually increasing the quality of incoming players, if we can compete with Rangers and Celtic for signingswe will really be meaning business.

[Alex Trager]

Yeah, agree with that. I think/hope that we're going to need a shift of mindset though, and without wanting to go all Romanov-era Hearts fan, if the investors and the Gordons are serious about this opportunity and are genuinely going to fund the team towards success, then we need to completely change our thinking and remove all the things that have traditionally limited us due to the constraints of existing in the one/two team world of Scottish football for the last 40 years and beyond.

We need to look at the talent in Scottish football with a view that if the players wouldn't get into Rangers or Celtic's team, then they won't get into ours unless we see something in them that Rangers and Celtic have missed (like we did with McGinn, for example).

Those players come along very rarely though. We sold McGinn about five/six years ago, I think - before that I can't remember us trading a player at that level since the Golden Generation in Mowbray's time - Leigh Griffiths maybe?

And there aren't many other teams doing that, Andy Robertson went down to England years ago as well but you see English teams scooping up young Scottish talent much earlier now, so while we will look at Scotland, we can't limit ourselves.

I'm getting carried away, of course, but the potential here is for a properly seismic shift in Scottish football. And I think we'll pave the way for others to look at Scotland to invest and so we need to be good, quickly to get an advantage.

If they're serious and put their money where their mouth is, then we are looking at a completely different ball game to what all of us have known before.

Why would a minority stakeholder come and pump millions in/give us loads of resources which would increase the Gordon’s share’s worth, unless the Gordons are also to be expected to pump millions in matching their shares?

Why would they have a meeting with the SFA if they wanted a minority share as well?

[Ozyhibby]

Why would a minority stakeholder come and pump millions in/give us loads of resources which would increase the Gordon’s share’s worth, unless the Gordons are also to be expected to pump millions in matching their shares?

Why would they have a meeting with the SFA if they wanted a minority share as well?

I suspect they will take full control if they get the green light on Thursday. I certainly hope so.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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